#103 Michael Herrera (Whistleblower) Exposes DEEPLY Classified Black Program Dealing With the UFOs, Crash Retrievals, & Physionics

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2:21 you believe that our government is in possessions and the agents absolutely? All right,

2:31 guys, welcome back to Total Disclosure tonight. We are live across multiple

2:38 platforms and this is for me, a big, big night. It's something

2:44 I've been looking forward to for a long time. I've been discussing having Michael

2:51 Herrera, who many of you may know already as a UFO whistleblower and a

2:58 marine uh you know, he's been on Sean Ryan show. He's been on

3:01 Jimmy Church. I did a couple episodes on Gaya. I've been waiting for

3:06 this interview for so long. We've been talking for so long, We've you

3:09 know, grown friends over this time, and tonight we're gonna really really get

3:15 into it. And I really hope that you guys enjoy this interview. I'm

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3:46 my man, Michael Herrera, how are we, good man? After a

3:52 few rough days of food poisoning, I don't wish it on anybody, so

3:55 you know, I apologize everybody. I know a lot of people are looking

3:58 forward to this, including myself, so Friday would have been a better day

4:02 for me, but obviously having to deal with that. So and one thing

4:05 I'm going to say, Tyler, people like you are the reason why disclosure

4:10 is going to happen. Is not going to be from the government or Congress

4:13 or Senate or anything like that, or even the President. Is going to

4:15 be from people like you who are deciding to put the truth and the words

4:19 out there because that is what's more needed. Everybody's gonna expect the President to

4:23 come out to the podium and say, hey, guys, ET's are here.

4:27 I mean, that's wishful thinking, but in reality, that's not going

4:30 to happen. Yeah, and we undertand we kind of understand, you know,

4:32 us being in the in the frontline, so to speak, on how

4:36 that that why that would not happen. You know, there's a lot of

4:41 variables in play with that. You know. My wishful thinking is, hell,

4:44 bring them up to you know, Hell, I'll even provide security for

4:47 these beings, you know, just to get everybody to see him and all

4:50 that. But you know, you're you'd be the man for the job.

4:56 That's what I'll I'll say, a couple other people I know too, so,

5:01 but yeah, so everybody kind of you know, it's been a wild

5:05 ride this past year. It's going to continue to get wild. It's going

5:10 to continue to give me to keep losing hair. So that's the reason for

5:15 it. But you know, it's just this is where we're at. This

5:18 is what I believe is going to be the center point of the damn breaking

5:24 open and all of a sudden, this is just going to come to a

5:26 head. There's more people daily that are having experiences that are within these programs,

5:30 that are whistleblowers themselves, that are wanting to tell the truth. So

5:34 twenty twenty four is going to be a good year for this, but it's

5:38 going to be a rough year. So yeah, listen, you know I'm

5:44 gonna I wrapped filming in saying I know this has nothing to do with this.

5:47 I wrap filming and Salem this weekend on a project I've been working on

5:53 and I ended up doing a live reading which I'm going to release on YouTube,

5:57 like a live medium reading, and they can She kept saying that,

6:01 or like I asked her after the fact, but there's something there's a title

6:05 way of coming and she doesn't know if that that's literal or you know,

6:11 something to look more into, like is it a tight a wave of information?

6:15 Is it a title wave? Of perspective. So I think in the

6:19 next one to two years a lot is going to change, not just in

6:24 your apology, but for the everyday person and your story. When I first

6:30 heard it, Michael, I mean, my job was on the floor.

6:33 I was like, I need to talk to this guy. I desperately need

6:38 this to talk to this guy. My life won't be fulfilled until I do

6:42 so. And that's when I set out on my journey. So I know

6:46 you've been on some other shows, but I want to start with your early

6:48 career, your early life, why you joined the Marine Corps, and really

6:54 start the conversation there and get who is Michael her Era. Well, I'm

6:59 this day. I'm an entrepreneur. I own several businesses. That's my focus

7:03 this day. You know. I love having I love being able to provide

7:06 for my wife. I like having dozens of rolexes, you know, I

7:10 love having supercar stuff like that. You know. So it took a very

7:14 long time to get to that point, and I lost everything multiple times.

7:19 I Mean everybody thinks that once you strike, you know, hit the nail

7:23 on the head with success, that it is something that's going to continue to

7:26 happen. That's not how it works. You got to keep busting, You

7:29 got to keep grinding. My days are usually twelve thirteen, fourteen, fifteen

7:31 hour days before I'm home, and that's just a bit as a business owner

7:34 that's also going to the gym, taking care of myself in the best ways

7:39 that I possibly can. But I will say the Marine Corps I believe helped

7:44 me immensely with that kind of discipline because of the something that you can typically

7:48 pick up just you know, granted naturally you're going to have the willingness to

7:51 do that. So me going to the Marine Corps, I wanted to be

7:56 a fighter pilot. I wanted to fly the Harrier. That was my thing,

8:00 you know, I wanted to be a fighter pilot, but unfortunately my

8:03 eyesight wasn't that good. They wouldn't allow pr or they wouldn't also allow you

8:07 know, Lasik at the time was basically experimental, and you know, to

8:11 fly around in something that's going to be anywhere from a forty million dollars to

8:15 one hundred and thirty five million dollar jet and you having you know, boots

8:18 on the ground that you're going to be responsible for dropping ordinance to protecting those

8:22 guys. I mean, anybody can make just one little degree of an error

8:26 and that can get you know, people killed. So I understand one hundred

8:30 percent why. You know, obviously I wasn't able to fulfill that, so

8:33 be an infantry was the next bet on that. And I mean I wanted

8:37 to do a job where you basically couldn't go into civilian world and do it.

8:41 I didn't want a desk job. I didn't want a job that you

8:43 know. It kind of bit me in the ass as far as transferring that

8:46 skill set from I was gonna I was gonna say, you can kind of

8:50 went the other way on that one. I know, yeah, I mean,

8:54 but you know, you have to think outside the box. You know.

8:56 One of my things is, you know, for heavy, heavy equipment,

9:00 you know, forklifts for example. They're not sexy. They're not going

9:01 to get you laid. They're not something you're going to pull up to the

9:05 street and be like, oh yeah, check out this. All the purpose

9:07 of those things is just to basically run a business and help make money,

9:11 you know, So I provide companies with assets like that construction equipment, and

9:16 then private security. Obviously there's people out there who need protection. I've served

9:20 a lot of people in that business that were high profile people professionally, and

9:26 I was able to network accordingly to that, which plugged me into being more

9:28 successful. Success is networking, guys, That's how this works. You get

9:33 to know people who may need to you know, need some of your assistants

9:37 or service. That's where you have to become very successful with that. A

9:41 lot of people try to put themselves first. You can't do that. I

9:45 learned that the hard way, So don't take it from me as far as

9:48 you know saying that it's going to be easy. So and then obviously firearms

9:52 manufacturing, I do a little bit of that. I haven't done a whole

9:54 lot this year on that, but the last couple of years have just been

9:58 crazy busy with stuff like that. So what I've been mainly doing is manufacturing

10:03 my own for my own private security company. So if I've got employees that

10:07 are going to basically go a mission with me, then at least I'm able

10:11 to provide them and issue them something that ultimately they can be responsible for if

10:15 they just choose to damage it. But yeah, so you know infantry in

10:20 the Marine Corps, you know, there's a lot of discipline it's it's not

10:24 an easy life by any means. You know, it's not like Hollywood or

10:26 everybody thinks that, you know, it's this, it's hardship. It's literally

10:31 a bunch of other high testostero males in altogether, some of them have been

10:35 through combat experience that want to basically, there's no way better better at putting

10:41 it is that they want to make your life hell so that way you're mentally

10:45 prepared to go to combat. Real job, that's what that's what infantry is.

10:50 And you know, so having this whole poetically correct establishment, which we

10:54 see a lot of stuff happening, you can't have that in the military.

10:58 So there's a lot of people I know that they're still in and that's they

11:03 kind of relate to me how that changed and how things are kind of softer.

11:07 But you know, when you're talking about warfare, that's not a fun

11:09 experience. That's not going to be fun for anybody. And if anybody thinks

11:13 it's fun, then you're you're not. You're going to be a psychopath.

11:16 I'm sorry, but you know there's nothing about that. So in your in

11:20 your time in the military, you i mean, like you said, it

11:26 taught you. It taught you know, it taught you that, oh god,

11:31 why's my camera? It taught you that structure there, you know that

11:39 that that structure that you needed in your life. It taught you, Uh,

11:43 it instilled that in you, right. And it also, I mean,

11:48 you're you're a patriot, right, you serve, you love your country,

11:52 You've served your country. And I mean infantry. While I might not

11:58 be glamorous, it is. I mean your boots on the ground, your

12:03 first if if shit pops off, you're the You're the first one there.

12:09 Especially the Marine Corps, you are the first one to get there and the

12:11 last one to leave, right. So uh in the Marine Corps, I

12:16 mean, were you ever into like ufo UFOs? Like did you ever get

12:22 into that stuff at any time in your life? Like did you ever wonder

12:26 was that ever part of your life? No, I'm gonna so when I

12:31 was growing up, when I was a kid, you know, my dad

12:33 used to watch movies like that, and he would watch some scary fucking movies

12:39 that really scared me as a kid. So I was like, Okay,

12:41 this isn't real. I'm happy for that, you know. So that was

12:45 kind of where my mindset was I used to criticize people before this ever happened

12:50 that you know, you're you're crazy, you know, And obviously everybody knows

12:56 what I've blown the whistle on. I mean, that's obviously something that gave

13:00 me clarity as to that, yes, human or humans i should say,

13:05 or mankind has this technology and they've been using it for several years. And

13:11 we also got it from someplace or somebody, right. You know, it's

13:16 not like I'll put it this way. If anybody was to look over the

13:20 past hundred years as far as technological advances, what has really changed? Is

13:26 it trucks? Is it cars? Is it combustible engines? I mean,

13:31 one of the first vehicles that was ever made as far as a car,

13:33 was an electric vehicle. It was a battery powered car, all right.

13:37 And this was almost in the eighteen hundreds when they were making this kind of

13:41 stuff with cars, right, with this idea. So then locomotives obviously with

13:46 steam powered engines things like that, you know, So those processes have really

13:50 not changed. Everybody thinks that a new iPhone or a new computer or some

13:54 new television or some new gadget in your car's new technology. It's not all

14:00 it is is regurgitated something that's been refined based off that technology as far as

14:05 what's current right now, maybe it makes life a little bit easier, but

14:09 you guys have to understand that everything. Now when you look at the what

14:11 US civilians get now, think about what the military gets. Think about the

14:16 technological advances that comes with that that we show. Yeah, we always show

14:24 our greatest and latest in the theater of war. I mean that's where it's

14:31 mostly developed. For either the theater of war or space travel, that's where

14:37 we see the biggest leaps in advancement, at least in material science. I

14:43 would say, well, and we're talking about material silence or silence silence.

14:50 We're talking about science that's not necessarily public, right there's only a few people

14:54 who are read into stuff that may be on a classified program. That people

14:58 may be as far as a few senators and congressmen and maybe even the president

15:03 or maybe some White House military officials may know about. But for the grand

15:07 scheme of things, military technologies, as far as sophistications, as far as

15:11 observation equipment, things like that have been researched for decades. You know,

15:16 you talk about remote viewing, that the CIA program was looking into. I'm

15:20 people, you know, and there's more people coming in full contact with that.

15:24 You know. There, we don't know anything in the world. We

15:28 don't know anything, And all I'm going to say is this, the only

15:31 thing that we know as people is what we're exposed to daily. Somebody who

15:35 you know, plays football professionally is going to know that world better than any

15:39 of us put together because that's his life. Somebody who's a race car driver,

15:43 somebody who's a mechanic, you know. So your world is basically what

15:46 you put yourself into. Absolutely, you know. So my journey so far,

15:52 I will say that the biggest lesson I've learned was be careful with what

15:56 you wish for, you know, just get it, you know. It's

16:03 it's something that I was I wasn't expecting to come forward in a way that

16:08 it was gonna reach a lot of people. I know, it's gonna wake

16:11 people up. I know it's going to disturb people. Well yeah, well

16:17 back up. Sorry to cut you off, but let's back up, because

16:21 all right, I want you to take me back now. You you so

16:26 if I understand correctly, because I guess I don't want to assume that everybody

16:32 knows your story by now, but we so we'll get to I think we're

16:37 gonna get to the Disclosure Project two point zero. And before that, I

16:42 would like you to set the scene and walk me through what happened in two

16:52 thousand and nine after a terrible well, I think it was one of the

16:57 worst, worst that region had seen, at least in a long time.

17:03 Correct, there was an earthquake in a subsequent tsunami that took place. How

17:10 do you get there? Well, are you still enlisted at the time.

17:15 Are you not enlisted? Are you preserve? No? I was enlisted.

17:18 I was full you know, I was full battle rattle, so to speak.

17:22 Right, you know. So, I was a part of the thirty

17:25 first Marine Expeditionary Unit, and that's basically a forward deployed unit that would basically

17:30 do any kind of humanitarian missions, any kind of security operations, anything.

17:33 Let's say, if there was an area that had coalition control, something with

17:37 US assets, something with friendlies, we would basically be the responding for US.

17:42 Let's say if there was an embassy that got overran, we would be

17:45 the guys that basically go essentially in the threat and pull the people out and

17:49 are sure that their safety. But most of the time would have happens in

17:53 that part of the world, there's a lot of chaos that happens with natural

17:56 disasters. So essentially what happened is the first hit was the Philippines, which

18:03 got hit with a typhoon that knocked a lot of power out. I mean,

18:07 it made a lot of people, They killed a lot of people.

18:11 It was a pretty nasty event. The whole seven fleet, which is the

18:15 one that's attached to I should say the thirty first Marine Expeditionary uses to basically

18:19 truck us around that area, had most of their assets go to that part

18:25 of the world as far as the Philippines go. So there's people who have

18:27 been confused with saying that what I experienced happened in the Philippines and what happened

18:33 Indonesia. Now, nothing happened in the Philippines that I blew the whistle on.

18:37 That was all in Indonesia. So as they concentrated most of the assets

18:42 there, we were the only ship that was routed all the way to the

18:45 far western side of Indonesia which got hit. Now, what a lot of

18:51 people don't know is that Indonesia is the second largest terrace capital. They do

18:55 a lot of training there. They do not like Americans as far as if

18:57 they're really brainwashed from the idea that they want a lot of Americans to die,

19:02 all right, So they trained people there, they filter them out to

19:04 wherever the whatever part of the world. I mean, Afghanistan, Iraq.

19:07 That's just basically the playgrounds of where they're sending people to. It's not necessarily

19:12 Afghans, it's not necessarily Pakistani's. It's not There's a bunch of people who

19:17 went out there. There's Chinese, there's Koreans, there's Somalians, there's anybody

19:21 wants a piece of the United States. Even Chechens are out there, you

19:23 know. So that's how they basically do it. So they have to have

19:26 areas to train, and essentially we kind of went in knowing that, yes,

19:32 it's the second largest terrorist capital in the world. It was basically kind

19:34 of the talk. So we ended up getting briefed on and on the ship

19:40 basically talking about what we're going to be doing, and then also mentioned that

19:45 some of Barack Obama's family members were there. So they had a seal team

19:49 that was there, a platoon. I'm you know, at least that's what

19:52 they kind of told us a little bit. And basically they're they're going to

19:56 be the ones that were to go in and basically help get them out and

20:00 extract them, and that would been it. But you know, so for

20:03 us, we weren't nearly plugged in because obviously something like that they're going to

20:06 use more specific, more specialized people to go do that. Seals are some

20:10 badass dudes. I know a couple of them, and they're phenomenal guys.

20:14 They don't go around telling them people that they're a damn seal. They are

20:17 people that just fly under the radar and just you know, they're good about

20:21 what they do and that's a job to them and they love what they do.

20:23 And so I respect the hell out of those guys, especially seeing how

20:30 badass those guys can be in person. So we essentially ended up we were

20:36 being one of the first groups to go off that ship, which was the

20:38 USS Denver. We flew out to basically a little airport, I believe it's

20:45 called Tabing Airport, and we staged there and then some of us basically we're

20:52 waiting to get word and this is what I'm assuming anyway, I was not

20:55 a pilot. I wasn't somebody who was executing this mission as far as planning

21:00 all that kind of stuff. So I was a sawgunner by trade. But

21:06 they end up giving us M sixteen eighty fours because one we were providing security

21:10 for an LZ and that's basically what we were going to be used for.

21:14 And what ended up happening is we end up taking off, and I wish

21:18 I had the exact coordinates of where we landed, but like I said,

21:22 I'm not a pilot. The only reference I have is looking outside the back

21:25 of the heelo and seeing the direction change and where that ocean is right.

21:30 So you know, I knew that we were facing north based because you know

21:33 obviously how we were looking into things, but then obviously having to see that

21:37 if you're seeing more land, obviously you're facing more south. If you're facing

21:41 the ocean more, you're going to be ended up southwest to west to you

21:45 know, anything like that. So we end up going to a hasty els.

21:49 They used the fifty three et superstillions that we flew in on to get

21:55 to the most remote areas that could not be basically got to buy any kind

22:02 of vehicles such as trucks because of the fact that these areas that they were

22:06 going into were washed out. Wasn't the case all over the place, but

22:11 the way that we end up having to go in there. We basically because

22:14 we're Marie, we're Marines, we have assets that basically allow us to do

22:18 missions such as having helicopters, especially transport helicopters, you know, so we

22:22 basically landed this hast DLZ. There was barely I don't remember anybody being there.

22:27 Can I stop you? Yes, for anyone who doesn't know, because

22:33 you've mentioned it a couple of times now LZ, I know what it is,

22:37 but just really quickly, could you describe what that is? Haste DLZ

22:42 is not a well planned designated area that's going to be marked off, that's

22:47 going to have all security and everything that all the bells and whistles. You'd

22:51 think regular LZ is going to be something like an airport or something that's designated

22:56 that's already been cleared. Hastyl's oh rap, we're going to land. We're

23:00 going to have to, you know. It's just something that's very how to

23:03 put it, I don't want to say it. Mcgyverd something like that,

23:11 you know, So it's not well planned, it's just something that you know

23:14 better get ready and just make sure, you know. So it's kind of

23:17 more on that level. And when we got to this LZ, I don't

23:21 remember anybody there. I remember that we were stepping off and our first thought,

23:25 at least a person that was with me who was in charge of the

23:26 whole thing, was like, you know, we as marines, you want

23:30 to take You want to basically have the element of surprise for one, but

23:36 too you also want to have the most tactically sound plan that you can come

23:41 up with and be in the most tactical position you possibly can be. And

23:45 fortunately enough, elevation is one of those keys because if you're at an elevated

23:48 platform or a position and you're firing an enemy one, you can observe things

23:52 a lot farther. It's a lot easier to see down than it is to

23:56 see up things, right, So we decided to put to this slope wasn't

24:02 very steep, you know, it was just a slow, little grade and

24:06 it was probably about three hundred meters away from the actual LZ, and we

24:10 pushed, you know, because basically the areas behind us where we kind of

24:14 assumed that we're already kind of you know, protected and secured because obviously they

24:18 have action going on back behind us, right, So we ended up getting

24:22 passed up to this tree line and all of a sudden, we're kind of

24:26 like just looking around and I've got a camera by the way, and I'm

24:30 taking pictures. I'm taking videos of you know, some helicopters that were coming

24:34 in which are flying low, they're not up high camera. I had a

24:37 camera with me. Oh yeah, this is the first humanitarian mission I've ever

24:41 done. As somebody who's a boot marine at the time, you know,

24:45 you're gonna sit there and take pictures and you know, show your family and

24:48 friends that you did something in your career, you know. So I was

24:51 I had a picture with me or a camera, and uh, when I

24:55 turned around to basically look and see where the other side of that slope is,

25:02 that's when we had the surprise of our lives. So I had my

25:06 camera and I saw something that basically was turning colors. And our view is

25:11 obscure because there's trees, right, so you don't see like a full shape

25:15 of anything. You just see something moving and changing colors. So I snapped

25:19 some pictures of it, took some video. I tried to zoom in as

25:22 far as I could with it, and then I put it in my dump

25:26 pouch because I was a sawgunner and typically we usually has dump pouch to retain

25:30 our magazines. You're not dumping your magazines on the ground and then having to

25:33 go to the army and say, oh, I don't know where my magazines

25:36 are, you know, so put them in there. And then we all

25:41 looked at each other because we all finally saw it, and we're like,

25:44 what the what the hell is this thing? And you know, could have

25:45 been a building, could have been something like that. So that's what we're

25:48 kind of thinking. And we decided to go down a little bit and investigated.

25:53 And so it all started from U seeing a right light. Bright lights

26:02 is what you're saying. It wasn't bright lights at all. It was the

26:04 color changing of the object. The color changing, I should say, I'm

26:08 not the bright lights, but from the changing. It was going from a

26:12 light matt gray to a dark mat black. So anything that's kind of going

26:17 in that color, especially when you're talking about having vegetation around it, you're

26:22 going to notice it, like a sore thumb, you know, So I

26:25 don't you know, I've had questions about this, especially with the kind of

26:30 tactic that they would use to do something like this. It's just very weird.

26:33 And so we end up going down and want to investigate it. And

26:38 when we got to basically a clearing that you know, because it kind of

26:41 got narrow, We're stepping through bushes, were stepping through trees, We're making

26:45 sure stuff's not getting snagged onto our weapons or anything like that. And we

26:49 come to a clearing that starts to open up, and when it starts to

26:53 open up, you start to see this whole shape and it's just sitting there

26:59 and something that is really weird about it. To this day, I have

27:04 never and I mean I will never see this again, probably unless it actually

27:07 comes to full disclosure and they're actually showing everybody that this of this technology.

27:12 But I have never seen anything in my life because when you see a helicopter

27:15 hover, it's not perfect. It's going like this. There's wind, there's

27:18 oscillation, there's stuff like this. This thing which is stuck there floating,

27:23 and it was rotating clockwise. It was rotating clockwise. It looked like an

27:27 octagonal shape, and you can see the corners on it. You can see

27:33 kind of where like there was some rivets and some basically some sections, like

27:37 some panels, right, and it was making like this octagon shape and it

27:41 was rotating and as it's still going those colors right, So it's now I

27:49 want you to really really take us back to that moment. So it's locked

27:57 in the air, yep, it's oscillating at the same time, and from

28:02 that oscillation you garner a view that this is an octagonal craft. And at

28:08 each point it has a different glow, different colored light. So the lights

28:15 did not illuminate until this thing took off. It was got a little bit

28:19 later. Yeah. So this thing, as it's turning and rotating, it's

28:23 only producing a little bit of a hump. The only way I can describe

28:26 it is something that sounds like a guitar app or something that sounds like a

28:30 freaking transformer, some sort of hum. And there's been people who try to

28:36 recreate that noise, and there's been a person who's helped with that. Joey,

28:41 that's not my name. You, if you're watching this, thank you

28:44 for your help. Yeah. He's really so good. He's got me in

28:48 touch with people I never thought I get in touch with trying to help with

28:52 this and do all that. So he is a he's a very good dude,

28:56 very blessed to have his expertise and have his attention to detail and things.

29:00 So if you're watching this, thank you. And excuse me. So

29:07 you know this thing's hovering right there. Excuse me. So you know we're

29:12 we're we see this, we're looking at each other, you know, because

29:15 we're in a tactical column, which basically means that if you're imagine a point

29:18 here here, you're kind of like. Tactical column is one of the most

29:23 beneficial ways to actually move in a tactical position because you have literally marines covering

29:29 every kind of view that you can have doing five meter twenty five meter checks.

29:34 Your head's on the swovel, so you guys have basically interlocking fields and

29:38 you know, you can pretty much see everything. The only time it's kind

29:41 of a pain is when you're in the back having to completely always constantly turn

29:45 around checking, you know, making sure. So as that was going on,

29:51 we decided we're moving closer, and we were maybe about one hundred and

29:53 fifty meters out from that craft. And that craft was big, right,

29:57 it was massive. My estimation was about three hundred feet. And the reason

30:02 why is because the fifty three super Stallions that we flew in on are the

30:07 biggest helicopters in the military house for transport right now. They measure from nose

30:11 to tail about one hundred feet. So what I was estimating is that you

30:15 can actually fit three of these things underneath of that craft. And that's what

30:19 I told the Arrow, That's what I've told everybody that's interviewed me. That's

30:22 what I made my official report to everybody who's you know, vetted me,

30:26 who has screened me up and down, who's ran backgrounds on me, who's

30:29 literally I've went through hell as far as the betting process to tell this,

30:33 even to you know, the Pentagon of course, So you know, having

30:38 something massive but it feels like it's so weightless. It's just such a very

30:42 creepy thing to see. It's very creepy. And so you see this thing

30:49 and it's doing something you've never seen, you didn't know as possible are your

30:57 first thoughts that's ours or that's not ours. My first thought was, what

31:07 the fuck is this? I'm not gonna do I'm just gonna be blunt,

31:11 and I didn't think anything of it until we came in contact with these operators.

31:17 Now we're in a technical column. So imagine there's two lanes here of

31:19 marines, right, so kind of you know, like I was demonstrating,

31:25 these guys were in a way that they had four on each side and they

31:29 basically enveloped us like this. So imagine we're right here. These guys came

31:32 out like this and they already had their weapons on us. We're when we're

31:36 patrolling or basically do anything weapons down, it's kind of down right unless you

31:41 know that you're going to go rate and building or do anything that's going to

31:44 be combat us. When your weapon's going to be up, you're not walking

31:47 around, especially if they're civilians around, if there's kids, I mean,

31:49 if there's anything that could basically you don't want to shoot anybody. You don't

31:53 have to, So you're keeping your weapons safe. It's also a weapon,

31:57 it's not yourself. You know, there's things that happen with weapons that can

32:01 make them go off. You know, these things have been through deployment so

32:05 much. There's things that just it's a lot of wear and tear on guns.

32:07 So this is the most recommended safety that you could ever have, and

32:12 the firearm is your finger and knowledge of it. So essentially these operators a

32:17 team of eight, but they were split up in four, so essentially two

32:21 fire teams is what the elements were be They had their weapons already on us,

32:24 so they told us, don't raise your weapons, don't fucking move.

32:30 You know. They basically swarmed us so fast, but they were like kind

32:32 of like a crowd, not really crouched, but they were so low,

32:36 but they were so planted and they were moving towards us so aggressively. And

32:40 first we you know, the thought was like, okay, maybe this is

32:43 the seal team and something like that, right, because that's one of the

32:45 first things that we kind of talked about in the wardroom was that there was

32:50 a seal team that was going to be there to help with you know,

32:52 HVT HBI extractions. So obviously it wasn't it obviously wasn't the case because one

33:04 these guys were not seals. Two you know, sealed teams. I mean,

33:07 they kind of organized their the way that they dress everything like that you

33:09 can tell that they're seals. These guys were wearing all black. They had

33:15 black I'm not going to say camouflage, but it was something that was,

33:17 you know, black gear. They had black iotvs, which is an infantry

33:22 outer tactical vest or individual something along those lines. And I don't know that

33:28 acronym too well, but that's what we call them as iotvs. They had

33:30 stuff that was very similar to that. They had no insignias, no rank,

33:35 they had nothing that would identify who they were. They didn't have their

33:37 faces covered up typically they were really their face. They had ball caps.

33:43 They had M four A one's with a quad rail system that had a PEC

33:45 sixteen and had an ACN which is a step up from the r CEOs that

33:50 we had. They also had some side arms, which I'm assuming we're either

33:53 H and K's or they were six hours. They were no glocks. You

33:58 know, I don't bag on block, but I know a lot of operators

34:01 these days who a lot of them use block, but a lot of them

34:05 use SICK. A lot of them like H and K's more specifically, because

34:07 they're more they're they're kind of more feasible for what they're doing. I guess.

34:12 So at that point we all looked at each other and we basically they

34:17 got told us to get online essentially just you know, get on a straight

34:22 line, and that's what we did. And they tell us, don't fucking

34:23 put your hands down. So they're holding us at a gunpoint there. So

34:28 they have a guy that is basically positioned maybe about ten feet away, who's

34:31 off at a standoff distance. There's been some interviews that doctor Greer has done

34:37 and everything like that where he's told people that they put guns right to our

34:39 head. That wasn't the case. These guys were at a standoff distance because

34:44 it's easier to go like this then actually be at a standoff distance and try

34:49 to rush somebody who has had a good distance that can side in and just

34:52 shoot you right. Know, these guys are professionals that they they they were

34:58 calculated so much, so much so. And you know this is not taking

35:05 anything away from you, because I want that to be very clear. You

35:08 guys are a group of highly skilled and trained Uh just just just a guess,

35:17 how much money do you think goes into each soldier, uh, each

35:21 marine? Well it's millions familiars, So you have at least a group of

35:28 millions of dollars walking around and they are trained to the best of their ability,

35:34 and they are the best of the best. You know, the Marine

35:37 Corps is often known for, you know, producing talent. So they were

35:43 so calculated that they were able to get the drop on you with without you

35:49 hearing at all what was going like. You didn't hear them coming until it

35:52 was too late. No, they were already, we already sided. And

35:57 so I got all these you know, armchair generals that say, oh,

36:00 I wouldn't have I would have raised my weapon. Yeah, good luck to

36:01 you. You probably would have been six feet under or probably as one of

36:06 these missing people. You know, if they have that mentality, the next

36:09 traffic stop they get into, try to reach for a weapon while the cops

36:13 pulling you over, and tell me how well that works? Right, You're

36:16 dead before you even it's it's the same thing with us too. If there's

36:21 somebody if we have a vehicle control point or a VCP that we're manning,

36:24 and there's somebody in a vehicle and we already got the drop as such as

36:28 a lulready, that's all it's gonna take. It's only two movements flipping the

36:31 safety off, aiming and then firing and if you're close range enough, you're

36:37 not having to basically just sit there and get a perfect sideline side picture.

36:40 You All you have to do is basically just raise it up in that direction

36:44 and you're gonna hit. What you're gonna do, anyone knows, Anyone who's

36:46 seen Star Wars knows when you got the high ground, you got the high

36:52 ground, right. So all right, so they're telling you at this moment,

36:58 so they've got you, and I had a detail wrong when I reported

37:01 on it. They did not have you on your knees. They had you

37:05 standing hands down, and they have d they've taken your weapons off of your

37:10 persons at this point. You know, we had we had them sixteen eight

37:15 fours. We had one hundred and eighty rounds, you know, so we

37:16 had six magazines total, so five in our vest, one in the weapon.

37:21 Obviously we were conditioned for. We didn't have a round in the chamber

37:23 obviously because this was humanitarian and it was something that basically can discharge the weapon

37:28 and engage, you know, So they had their stuff already primed ready to

37:31 go by if we're going to raise our weapon one, there's no round in

37:35 the chamber. That's just suicide. Right, if we're going to sit there,

37:38 cock it up, charge the weapon, and then put it up,

37:42 it's still going to take time compared to people that already have you cited in

37:45 you know exactly, you know, and come and to find out who these

37:50 guys are, and we know who they are now, you know at least

37:52 their backgrounds. You know, we don't know who these guys are particularly individually

37:55 as people, but we know what kind of backgrounds they have people who work

38:00 these programs, which we'll get into that later. Yeah, and so the

38:05 the thing I really want to talk about, or not really want to talk

38:08 about, is you you did mention how you knew there was a seal team

38:13 in the area. At what time do you realize that this is not them?

38:19 Well, because one there would have been some sort of iff indicated uh,

38:22 indication of friendly or foam that wouldn't have worked that way, would have

38:28 been a lot different one. We didn't have comms. That's the other kind

38:30 of problem. You know, there's a lot of people who are like,

38:34 oh, you know, it's a perfect world. Military should have comms all

38:36 the time. There's a lot of Marines I know that went to Iraq and

38:38 Afghanistan that didn't have comms on patrol. That's what next best thing is hand

38:43 and arm signals. That's how you communicate, That's how you relay up the

38:46 chain what's going on. Typically, there's other methods. If you have night

38:50 vision, you're going to go up to a point and you're going to turn

38:52 on your ir illuminator and flash a certain amount of designated times. That would

38:58 they only you would know between that CCP and also whoever's on post to relate

39:04 to the information to say that you are that force who had the briefing to

39:07 say, Okay, we're gonna flash it three times. The guy would flash

39:10 at two and then you flash in one, or you do it reverse,

39:13 or you do whatever you guys brief it to do. You know, So

39:15 there's methods of doing that. There's not a perfect world, and that's just

39:20 that's just unfortunately how the military is. It's very underfunded. I don't you

39:23 know, the whole politics and the military. I don't agree with it.

39:25 I think especially in the Marine Corps, you see a lot of stuff,

39:29 mishaps happening with equipment like helicopters, is because it's underfunded. They would rather

39:34 send hundreds of billions to fucking Ukraine than to sit there and take care of

39:38 our own guys, right reliable equipment, you know, So that that's kind

39:43 of the problem. We're all of our stuff's built by the lowest bidder.

39:45 We have the hand me downs from other branches like the army, so our

39:49 stuff is not nearly as nice as other groups that have very good funding.

39:53 Well, yeah, and this and this group was clearly out. I mean,

39:57 so you're sitting there. I'm not saying I keep saying sitting there,

40:00 But mind you when I say that, I mean you're you're standing there at

40:06 gumpoint and you're you're you're loudly being told in very vulgar, vulgar language,

40:14 yes, that if you move, we will fucking kill you, Like there's

40:17 no question about you. So in this moment, are you thinking that you're

40:25 going to die? And and when when do you start looking at the UFO

40:32 or you know, I think we can determine it's an IFO, that we've

40:37 identified it as something as part of this program, But it's a UFO.

40:44 What's going through your mind as you're being you know, basically just held at

40:47 gunpoint. Well, the problem is, as it's Uh, as it's in

40:53 the background, you mean, because you have people literally pointing their weapons at

40:58 you, they're yelling at you, that are literally telling you they're to kill

41:00 you. So you have two things you're paying attention to, all right,

41:05 paying attention to guys that are literally holding you up at gunpoint. They stripped

41:07 us of our gear. They took our weapon, you know, because we

41:09 had brass of the grass is what our magazines are down in the vest,

41:13 so when you pull it out, you're able to be able to pop it

41:15 in and then hit the side of it right. It's very quick, and

41:21 we spent hours training this way. So they take our magazines out, they

41:24 kick them to the deck, they kick them far out so you can't reach

41:28 for them. They take our weapons and they take the magazine out. And

41:31 the way that these guys function these weapons was like the back of their hand.

41:35 These guys were so cool with this weapon platform. Now, typically,

41:38 if we were conditioned one, we would have them round pop out of that

41:43 chamber. But we're conditioned four. So when they pulled the charging handle to

41:46 the rear, they obviously saw nothing in there, and they again going through

41:53 each of us doing the same thing. These guys I knew for a fact

41:58 at the time were former military, right, because we had our IDs in

42:00 our left breast pocket that is a Marine corps orger. That's typically how it's

42:06 always been and it's still to this day. And they took them out of

42:10 our breast pocket and tried to take in pictures of this thing with things that

42:15 look like a modern day cell phone, like something like this, right,

42:19 and can you tell us the date again, just so people understand the significance.

42:23 So this was October of two thousand and nine. So smartphones like we

42:29 have like you just held up, are not what was being touted around in

42:35 two thousand and nine. This is to show you that these guys were operating

42:43 with not only like you know, upgraded technology, but UFOs And I mean

42:51 it just it's it's blows me away, It blows me away. Well,

42:57 and you know us thinking that's that going on too, Like the only thing

43:00 that we could really recognize besides our weapon platforms and their gear of course,

43:04 right, they had something else that they were trying to scam with our ID

43:07 and it reminded me of something called like a BATS system, which is for

43:12 biometrics and tracking. So we were we were taught in the system, at

43:15 least when I was, when I was going through training and all that stuff.

43:20 And all it does is it takes picture of your retinals, takes picture

43:24 of you know, it can do biometrics, that's what it's there for.

43:28 And it also takes pictures. So they're trying to scan you know, these

43:30 ideas with this kind of stuff because that's what you could do. So at

43:36 the time, it's okay, where the hell did they get this? You

43:38 know, And it came out that year too, because we've done you know,

43:42 Joey is not my name, he's done a lot of research on trying

43:45 to basically, hey does this look familiar? Is this? And there's been

43:47 some great things he's pulled up and says, okay, this is when it

43:51 came out, which was sequential to the year that we deployed, you know,

43:54 so we did some training on some similar stuff even at that point that

43:58 never made it out, but you know, and that's just how it is.

44:01 I mean, maybe it gets phased out because it's archaic compared to the

44:05 new stuff that they have that they put in, So that's kind of the

44:10 only indicator, you know, But obviously the mannerisms, the language these guys

44:15 used. The way that they sounded was like how we would sound as marines,

44:20 as military personnel who wanted to rough people up. So they had American

44:24 dialect. It's like how you and I are talking. It's not Eastern European.

44:29 It's not Russian, it's not Swedish, it's not German. I've got

44:31 a very acute ear to accents. You know, I know what accents are.

44:37 You know, I speak. I speak fluently in German as well,

44:40 so I know what it sounds like. And these guys were talking like how

44:46 you and I like. English was their first language for sure. So so

44:52 they again, they were calculated to the point where they could disarm a group

44:57 of marines. They they have you at gunpoint. They're clearly working with some

45:04 technology that is far above your pay grade. You are watching, you're watching

45:15 this UFO in the background. What's going on with that? Okay, so

45:19 mind you we're going back and forth. Okay, right, of course,

45:22 wation here and then obviously the situation, which both are unbelievable as equal.

45:28 Right, we're looking between these guys and this craft. This craft has not

45:34 changed at home, it's not done anything. The only thing that changed was

45:37 obviously there was a platform that was hovering over and it wasn't organic, It

45:44 wasn't anything a part of the jungle. It wasn't a concrete slab, it

45:46 was nothing like that. As we're facing this thing, there's some trucks that

45:52 are coming up from basically are left. I would say probably eleven o'clock position,

45:58 maybe ten o'clock position is where these trucks started coming from. And there's

46:02 only four that I recount seeing. There may have been more. There may

46:05 have been, you know, but I only recount seeing four because we're going

46:08 back and forth between these assholes and this craft. So this truck comes up

46:15 and then it basically banks off and starts heading to that to the craft,

46:21 now it looked like an up armored version of an F three P fifty,

46:25 very bulky truck, all blacked out, and when it was driving towards us,

46:30 the thing I recognized on the headlights was next to it, which were

46:35 something that you'd see like on a humbie that would be outfitted for night vision,

46:38 because sometimes if you're going to be driving out at night, you have

46:42 your nose on. You're not going to have your high beams or your low

46:45 beams on because you don't want the enemy to know that you're coming, even

46:47 though you have a loud ass vehicle, right, So they don't want to

46:51 see the lights coming from distance. So this these trucks had the same thing.

46:58 They had some bulky tires on their for the terrain, obviously the thing

47:01 that stuck out the most on these trucks. Besides, they had these pelican

47:05 cases that were in the back, which were only two of them that I

47:07 saw. They had these containers they were pulling with a trailer that was about

47:12 the half size of a shipping container, and it had a cylinder on the

47:16 top, on the front of the top, excuse me, and it was

47:21 black as well, that cylinder. You know. My when when I first

47:27 came forward, is there some people who are confused about this? And every

47:30 interview I've tried to do is just try to break the confusion. I had

47:36 to I had told the Pentagon I thought it was drugs. To this day,

47:39 I thought it was drugs until not I shouldn't say to this day,

47:42 but till the day that I came forward. I even presented at the Disclosure

47:46 two point zero saying that my hypothesis was that it was drugs because in my

47:52 understanding, especially being in heavy equipment industry, you know, kind of stuff

47:55 like that, the only time you'd ever see oxygeny stuff is when you're shipping

48:00 you know, produce or some goods or drugs for the matter, because that's

48:04 where a lot of them do. So typically, that's what my assumption was.

48:10 And obviously, with what I have been learning, which we'll get to

48:15 that point later, it ended up being something else. And this isn't from

48:19 me seeing anything because I didn't see the containers open. I didn't see anybody

48:22 in them. I didn't see any drugs in them. My hypothesis was that

48:25 it was drugs. So they you know, for these trucks basically going to

48:30 this platform. So I didn't see how they went on the platform. I

48:34 didn't see how they actually unloaded or did anything like that, because we're still

48:37 focusing on what's going on. So, you know, the last truck,

48:42 I should say, at least the one that we saw, ended up going

48:45 to that platform. I don't know if they went, you know, I

48:46 didn't see that they were still on that platform. I didn't see if they

48:50 adgressed off the back end or whatever. You know. However, they did

48:52 it, But all of a sudden, that platform on the bottom just started

49:00 to raise up. And you know, so we're going like looking at these

49:02 guys still, you know, which by the time this happens, are kind

49:06 of over here, So movement's going to catch your eye. That's just how

49:08 your eyes, especially your peripherals, that's how you're gonna notice motion. And

49:13 that's what happened with this platform. And the platform started to raise up.

49:16 It made no sound, there was no change in the hum or, nothing

49:19 like that. It literally just rose up. The craft kind of stuffed down

49:22 like this, and this thing went to the bottom of it and one kind

49:25 of like it went inside and receved a little bit. And as that's going

49:30 on, all of a sudden started the whole craft. It stuff starts to

49:34 move up as it's rotating, as it's changing colors. And then the only

49:37 difference it did was on every corner of this craft there was a light that

49:43 illuminated. And the only colors I can recall is red, yellow, green,

49:46 and blue. Those are the only ones I can I can remember seeing

49:52 on this thing. As it's going up, as it's rotating, doesn't change

49:54 the humminep it clears the tree lines and minds you in jungles like this,

50:00 trees are very high. Some of them are very triple what they call triple

50:02 canopy jungles. Right, So there's very later right, and some of them

50:07 in this area kind of wasn't really the case, but it was enough to

50:09 be at least high enough for me. I hate heights. So this thing

50:15 started to raise up and when it got to the tree line, when it

50:19 got over the top of it, this thing just shot off very fast,

50:22 didn't change any kind of harm, didn't make any noise. It literally was

50:29 like a blackbird blur that just just moved. That's just how quick it is.

50:34 And sorry to cut I don't mean to I don't mean to cut you

50:38 off. Would you say that that? So, aside from the electrical home,

50:47 it showed all of the signs of you know, I don't know if

50:52 you're familiar with louel Zando's like the observables. So it had really no noise.

51:00 It shot off with no sonic boom, and it was, like I

51:08 said, using some sort of alternative propulsion system. Is it safe to say

51:15 all those things? Correct? Wow? Now here's here's a crazy thart crazy

51:22 part about this because this thing is massive, and obviously how fast it moves

51:27 obviously didn't make any sound. It didn't break the soundberry. There's coconuts on

51:30 the top of these trees. Not one of them blew off, not one

51:35 of them moved, didn't even flinch nothing. All right. Now, if

51:38 you're if your experience when it comes to aircraft and when they fly low over

51:42 vegetation, you're gonna notice that vegetation is gonna move because you have exhaust wash,

51:47 you have rotor wash coming from a helicopter that's blown everything out. Right,

51:52 So fighter jets, when they fly a map of the Earth, you're

51:57 gonna see You're gonna see movement from the tree. You're going to see moving.

52:01 I mean, they'll shutter windows if they're going fast enough because of that

52:06 that sound. So seeing that happen was just like holy shit. Now,

52:14 mind you, we are already in a holy shit situation as it is because

52:17 of these guys, right right. It's just it's just compounding onto the fear.

52:22 Also because all of us are scared. I was petrified. I was

52:28 I was scared. I thought I was gonna die. That's literally what was

52:30 going through my head. So while you're watching this amazing thing happen. Oh

52:35 man, it was. It was not amazing. Well, in retrospect these

52:42 days, yes it is, but at that time and up until this point,

52:45 was not amazing. I wish I never experienced that, you know,

52:49 but having the support that I do, I mean, this has been rough.

52:52 This is not enjoyable. This, you know, being a whistleblower is

52:55 a very hard place to be. It's not an enjoyable thing. I don't

53:00 where, you know, I don't like being in shoes. So when they

53:02 ask people why the hell more people don't come forward, I know exactly why,

53:06 and I can tell you why. It's a miserable place to be.

53:09 I've taken a lot of arrows. I've taken a lot of heat. I've

53:12 gotten a lot of praise, which you know, I don't. I don't

53:14 necessarily care for all that. I know. I love positive stuff, which

53:17 is great. But I've been taking arrows and I'm going to continue to until

53:22 this all comes forward, until this all gets resolved. And that's my mission.

53:27 I don't care what John Q Public who's sitting on his chair, who

53:30 thinks about me, and if I'm living rent free in his mind, and

53:32 so be it. You know, I'm going to be focusing on what my

53:37 mission is, which my business is my income, take care of my wife,

53:42 and make sure that obviously I'm going to provide the peace that I have

53:46 enough to hopefully, which has been lately connecting the dots for a lot of

53:50 people. You know, my mission was to get the government to take my

53:54 word and to trust me and to look into this and a lot of them

53:58 have a lot of them have on the back end of things. I've heard

54:01 that, which has been great. Yeah, we're going to get you to

54:05 I didn't you know. Uh, Tim Burchett was on the show. He's

54:09 a friend of the show. Uh. And you know, I know you

54:13 and I spoke about a project about getting you two together. So you know,

54:17 we're going to make things happen. Uh. And I just the future

54:22 is is definitely bright. And but you're right, You're absolutely right. I

54:29 definitely misworded that coming out as a UFO whistleblowers, not like no one wakes

54:36 up and is like, hmm, I know what I want to be today.

54:38 I want to be a UFO whistleblower. Like it's not a good No,

54:44 it's not it's not good. Look at you know, David Grush speaking

54:51 of that while we're on, you know, on that topic. Uh,

54:52 do you know, David I do. That's all I can say. Okay,

54:58 Yah, him and I I talk, you know. So he's helped

55:00 me out in a lot of ways, you know, But that's all I'm

55:04 gonna say. Yeah, he's working on he's done things in the back end

55:08 for me. But he's a good dude. He's very solid through him.

55:14 So if anybody is familiar with Jonathan Wagand he was a marine in nineteen ninety

55:17 seven that came up with upon that crash retrieval that happened in Peru in nineteen

55:22 ninety seven, He Grush and his associates. Because Grush and I had the

55:29 same attorney for a little bit, because we were trying to figure out how

55:31 to do this human trafficking thing, and that's why his attorney reached out to

55:36 me and vice versa. David Grush vetted me, right, Because David Grush,

55:43 I mean, he's got assets that you wish you could have as a

55:45 person. So so let's just say that when we're time, David Grush vetted

55:52 Michael Herrera. I think we can end it at that, correct, So

55:58 if anyone's asking or or pondering credibility, let's just leave it there. Why

56:05 would the Pentagon waste their time with me? Why would the Senate Intelligence Committee

56:08 and waste their time with me? Why would the spend Special Intelligence Service,

56:12 which oversees these letter agencies? Why would I have Air Force OSI talking to

56:16 me? Why would I have Homeland Security talking to me? Did anybody understand

56:21 that every time I get in front of federal people that they run my backgrounds,

56:24 they look and see what I'm doing, they check everything. It's not

56:29 a comfortable place to be. I'm in a microscope the whole time, all

56:34 right, and I don't like it. But when it comes to trying to

56:37 be transparent with this, that is key. That's the only way that this

56:39 is going to happen. All Right, So I can get uncomfortable a little

56:44 bit if I know that the payoff is going to be huger, which the

56:46 payoff that's going to happen with this is going to be disclosure to humanity.

56:51 It's going to be overseeing these programs that are rogue, that are ill illegal,

56:55 that are unconstitutional, that are literally murdering innocent people. All right,

57:01 Yeah, that that's the nature of how this works. I mean, these

57:06 guys craft this subject so much they make it seem so unbelievable. Because let's

57:13 just say, if anybody who's listening says, you know they're you're hiking out

57:16 somewhere isolated and you come across something like this and you try to go call

57:20 the police, where you try to notify the military, are they gonna take

57:23 you serious? They're not. Nope, You're gonna tell you to go check

57:29 it aye the near cite cord. That's why how these guys operate. They

57:37 operate in these ways because the subject itself since the fifties has ridiculed itself.

57:42 Because that's what they have done. They make fun of it. Yeah,

57:45 I mean I literally just like and and and it's funny you brought up the

57:51 office of uh name, uh not sorry, ohs I because I Richard Dodie

58:01 was supposed to be episode one oh three, and he actually brought you up

58:07 unprompted, unprompted. And someone asked a question in the chat. And we're

58:14 going to jump a little bit here by just asking this question, but I

58:17 think it is something that we need to talk about. Why did you come

58:23 out with doctor Greer, And why did you make that call to do the

58:30 disclosure two point zero with doctor Greer? That was your unveiling of your fourteen

58:37 year silence. Well, let me ask you guys this question. Did anybody

58:44 else know anybody who was talking about this kind of stuff that can get whistleblowers

58:46 in front of people. He's the only one that I knew of, And

58:51 as a matter of fact, I met him in twenty seventeen when he did

58:53 a presentation here in Colorado and I had to buy a book of him to

58:59 get in front of him to tell him that I had information that I had

59:02 experiences, and you know, he kind of shrugged me off at first,

59:07 but when I hinted military industrial complex as a former marine in that that got

59:14 his attention. So he literally stopped signing books, stood up, and I

59:17 didn't realize how tall his freaking guy was. He's pretty tall, you know.

59:23 So it's same with David Gresh. David Gresh is a monster too,

59:28 so but yeah, he he's the only guy that knew that was doing anything

59:34 like this. So I had told him that, you know, I wanted

59:37 to tell him some things that I experienced, and that was in twenty seventeen

59:43 and I had his kind you know, he handed me his card and says,

59:45 don't tell, don't give anybody my information, keep this card to yourself,

59:50 don't publish it anything like that, like okay, Roger that so I

59:53 stuck it on my wallet and I at the time I was I was still

1:00:00 which I'm still I'm still afraid, guys. I don't. I don't.

1:00:04 I'm not fucking gonna say that. I'm I feel invincible with this because the

1:00:08 way I see is I'm borrowing time. But we're all borrowing time in our

1:00:13 lives. And that's just why I'm just trying to press this and obviously try

1:00:16 to get somewhere with this, because who knows this whole government protection of whistleblowers.

1:00:22 I'm not going to say that it's it's full of shit, but there's

1:00:24 nothing that literally physically stops somebody from pulling up next to me in traffic and

1:00:30 knows who I am. That there's the cars that I drive that's a part

1:00:31 of these programs that wants to murder me. There's no federal agent in my

1:00:37 car where I'm going. I don't have the presidential motorcade treatment going on with

1:00:42 this I'm out there just drive, So who's to say that that doesn't happen.

1:00:49 Do I expect this? I don't necessarily expect it, But am I

1:00:51 prepared for it? Yeah? I am as best as I possibly can be.

1:00:55 You know, I've had some I've had some harassment, I've had some

1:00:59 intimidation, i'veforts which you know, I've reported a home dsecurity, I've reported

1:01:02 to among other people that took it seriously, took videos, took pictures,

1:01:07 you know, did everything like that. And you know it hasn't happened in

1:01:12 a bit, but you know it doesn't stop them. These guys that they

1:01:15 have, they can do whatever they want, you know. So I'm in

1:01:19 a spotlight in a negative way when it comes to that. And if it's

1:01:22 for truth, if it's for justice for people who have been wrongfully murdered and

1:01:27 killed over this stuff, because that could have been mean, that could have

1:01:29 been any of my guys. We could have been murdered. And that has

1:01:31 happened any point at that night, any point of that night, you could

1:01:38 have for all intensive purposes you could have. You shouldn't be here telling this

1:01:47 story if they were. They I don't understand and I hate to even bring

1:01:53 this up. But why they why they left loose ends if if you know

1:02:00 what I mean, if that makes sense, There's been uh, there's been

1:02:04 some people an intelligence committee that they their hypothesis is that they wanted us to

1:02:07 see that. I don't know why that's their take on it. I mean,

1:02:13 these these guys know that this stuff happens to an extent, you know,

1:02:17 so with that it's unknown. These guys, you know, they're they're

1:02:24 allowing me to live. And it's not comfortable to say that, but that's

1:02:29 the reality, right, you know, these guys, these I mean,

1:02:32 it sucks. Like I said, guys, this isn't enjoyable. I mean,

1:02:37 I'm losing fucking hair for Christ's sake because of this kind of ship.

1:02:39 You know, it's it's just how it is. So you know, I

1:02:45 didn't I didn't approach I didn't approach Career and and tell him anything until you

1:02:50 know, because when we we had an NDIA that we signed basically so let's

1:02:53 go back, I'm gonna I'm gonna kind of end the Indonesia aspect. So

1:03:00 after this craft departed, these operators told us to face the hill, and

1:03:05 at that point I thought we were done for because typically when that happens,

1:03:08 they're gunning you down. Yeah, I mean, dude, how could you

1:03:13 set the scene another way? Their tells, Oh my god, the only

1:03:16 thing that would have been going through my head is this is it while I'm

1:03:20 going to be in a ditch. That's exactly went through my head. And

1:03:22 I'm glad that's the only thing that did go through my head at that time,

1:03:27 you know. And it sucks because you know, here I'm thinking,

1:03:30 I'm thinking, you know, as this is going on, as this disbelief

1:03:34 is going on, then you have the personal thoughts, what is my dad

1:03:36 gonna think? How the fuck is you know, like just thinking about my

1:03:39 dad, my family, everything like that, you know, and it sucks

1:03:44 to be in a position that way. You can't do a fucking thing.

1:03:49 You can't do anything. You literally, you know, these these guys are

1:03:52 are you know, they're ruthless, They're very skilled. I mean, I'll

1:03:58 tell people about their backgrounds and them when we get to that point. But

1:04:02 essentially, after they told us to face the hill, so I'm standing there

1:04:08 and I'm kind of like, I just I feel doomed, you know,

1:04:13 I feel defeated, and I just see the sling come over like literally over

1:04:18 a kevlar and under our body, and I thought they were gonna choke me

1:04:24 with it. But what they did is they basically took the sling and they

1:04:28 adjusted the rifle on our back to basically where the butt stock was right here

1:04:31 and the muzzle was pointed down. So they did that, and they tightened

1:04:35 the hell out of it, because you can't you know, if you're trying

1:04:39 to fumble and get that thing off, it's gonna it's gonna be hard.

1:04:42 At the same time, they get our magazines and they basically put them brass

1:04:46 up to the sky, so rounds are facing the sky. So, like

1:04:50 I said, typically we will give you brass of the grass. They had

1:04:55 this breast of the sky as if you're trying to take it out and fumble

1:04:58 it and put it in the weapon. A little bit harder to do.

1:05:00 You can still do it. It's just going to take a little bit extra

1:05:03 time. Now in a firefight. Now, in a situation that's tactical like

1:05:06 that, that kind of small you know, microseconds, if you will,

1:05:13 is going to be very long and extended compared to just doing things how you're

1:05:17 normally trained to do. So they told us. After they did this with

1:05:23 all of us, they told us to go ahead and walk up the slope.

1:05:26 So they told us as we were walking up the slope not to turn

1:05:29 around, not to look at him. They'll fucking shoot us. They'll kill

1:05:31 us. It's easy to get lost out here. We're can throw out of

1:05:34 a helicopter. I mean they were. They were hounding us with that kind

1:05:38 of talk. So just every break you down, I mean, you're already

1:05:43 humiliated as it is because of that. At that point, I won't even

1:05:45 say humiliated. I mean it's just humiliates, more of a nice way of

1:05:47 putting it, you know. So when we broke the top of that hill

1:05:53 and got to where we originally were positioned, we high tailed it back.

1:05:58 We ran really fast. I fucking hate running. I hate running to this

1:06:00 day. That is why I got into bodybuilding, because I can walk on

1:06:02 the treadmill and stay in shape and still be able to do all that kind

1:06:05 of stuff. So, you know, I we all high tailed it back.

1:06:11 We had her weapons on our back. We ran to the l Z.

1:06:13 There was a little bit more people there, but there was this gunery

1:06:15 sergeant that was there that was pissed and it was pissed because we came back

1:06:18 too earlier and our weapons obviously weren't our back hm. So when we got

1:06:24 to that area, we were basically taking our weapons off of our buddies and

1:06:28 handing them to us and then slapped the magazine in and just basically wait until

1:06:30 we can get out of there. And we finally end up getting out of

1:06:33 there, we turned our weapons back in obviously, so a few days later,

1:06:39 you know, mind you So the other thing too is obviously my camera

1:06:42 was not found. I don't know how the hell they did not find it.

1:06:45 They didn stick their hands in the pouch, but they ended up recovering

1:06:50 it later. I'm in my assumption, I don't know how they did it.

1:06:54 But a few days later we ended up going to Subic Bay in the

1:06:57 Philippines to basically relink up with the seventh Fleet. So we had some liberty

1:07:02 at the time, which is like time off, and we had about three

1:07:08 or four days if I can remember correctly, and so you know, okay,

1:07:14 you know, let's just kind of forget about this whole fucking thing,

1:07:16 because it's just it's rough. None of us were you know, it's not

1:07:20 an enjoyable experience by any means, and you're kind of just trying to live

1:07:27 like whatever normal life, but also with that lingering in the back of your

1:07:32 head. I'm gonna, I'm gonna, you know, I'm gonna be honest

1:07:35 with everybody. Here's the thing. I was not a perfect marine. I

1:07:40 was not a perfect marine. A lot of marines are not perfect. You

1:07:43 know. I've had people slammer me talking about me going u A, yeah

1:07:46 to go UA. I went you A because my dad had told me that

1:07:49 if I was gonna leave, that he was not going to longer be there.

1:07:54 He lost it, you know, he he told tore all that ligaments

1:07:57 in his knees. He was a mechanic longer than I've been a He did

1:08:00 break job on a super roup and you're not supposed to get on the concrete

1:08:03 floors with your knees. Usually they use pads. He didn't do that.

1:08:06 He tore all the ligaments out, and you know, his wife was was

1:08:12 basically, you know, fucking abusing him. Her son was trying to beat

1:08:15 his ass. So I had that in the back of my mind even on

1:08:19 a lot of a lot of things that were happening, you know. So

1:08:24 he had told me that he was very depressed, and uh, he didn't,

1:08:29 you know, And yeah, I paid for it. I got fucking

1:08:33 I got shit. Talk to me. I had everything that you can think

1:08:35 of. I was the ship bag because I decided to stay there with my

1:08:40 father for an extra four months and to make sure that he was mentally good

1:08:45 instead of sitting there going back and having to deal with with the fucking conditions

1:08:50 of the Marine Corps. Essentially, you know, U a stand for unauthorized

1:08:56 absence. Oh out, okay, all right, thank you. That clears

1:08:59 that up. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I probably you spent an

1:09:01 extra couple of days of their dad to make sure he's okay, one hundred

1:09:06 and twenty days. Now. I kept in contact with some Marines when that

1:09:12 happened, and I mean this was early on in my you know, going

1:09:16 through training and all that, right, and so at that point, you

1:09:23 know, I was like, well, okay, you know, my dad's

1:09:25 been there when I was a kid. I'm gonna get a little personal and

1:09:27 I'm gonna I'm I don't enjoy talking about this. Is this is probably the

1:09:30 only time I'm ever going to talk about this, because I don't enjoy talking

1:09:33 about it. And it doesn't make me feel any good. You know,

1:09:38 my mom left me when I was seven years old and packed up my shit

1:09:42 and two trash bags, left me at a babysitters. Didn't see her for

1:09:45 seven years. Forty five minutes after being at the babysitters, my dad comes

1:09:49 and gets me and says, we're not going to see my mom, all

1:09:53 right. So at that point, at being seven years old, my dad

1:09:57 has been there for me through thick and fucking Yeah. My whole thing that

1:10:04 I am doing as an entrepreneur and something like that is I want to make

1:10:09 enough money where I can set my dad up for the rest of his life

1:10:12 the way he doesn't have to work ever again, buying his own shops,

1:10:15 whatever it is. He he did a lot for me when I was a

1:10:19 kid. My grandparents did too, you know. So when it come to

1:10:24 the point where my dad told me that, I felt obligate enough to sit

1:10:27 there and bite the bullet and go through that and stick aside and try to

1:10:32 help him through that. And I did, and you know, I have

1:10:34 no fucking regrets, and I paid for it. I didn't lose my rank,

1:10:39 but you know what, they delayed the promotion. They put me on

1:10:42 extra police duty. They put me on restriction. You know, I didn't

1:10:45 get you know, I kept in contact with obviously whoever I needed to at

1:10:49 that point because I didn't want I busted my ass to become a marine right

1:11:00 one of the heart, you know, in retrospect at that time as a

1:11:02 kid, essentially as somebody who is seventeen eighteen years old, that was what

1:11:06 I aspired to do ever since I was a little kid. I didn't want

1:11:10 to just throw that away. They gave me the choice to get out or

1:11:14 continue. And this was talking to the current the sergeant major at the time,

1:11:19 and I told him my situation, which I mean he screamed at me

1:11:23 first before he realized what happened. And then every single higher up that I've

1:11:28 had that I've talked through, such as sergeant major, even a Batian commander

1:11:30 has said, you know what, we have done the same thing. Family

1:11:33 is first in our eyes. With that, I think anyone would have anyone

1:11:39 in your shoes would have done that well. And being in you know,

1:11:42 half of my dad as the backbone of us as a kid, has taken

1:11:45 care of us, is doing whatever he fucking could. Yeah, I don't

1:11:48 regret it one bit. I commend you, brother. I commend you,

1:11:53 and then you continue instead of instead of just leaving the Marine Corps because of

1:11:59 the shame that might come, the arrows you might get flowing at you.

1:12:02 No, you chose to go back and take the heat like a man and

1:12:11 continue on with your duty. I respect that. I told I told the

1:12:15 Sergeant major that I wanted to earn my medals. I wanted. I busted

1:12:19 my ass to become a marine. I played football in high school. I

1:12:24 had a drop coast of fucking seventy pounds to steven join, you know,

1:12:28 so there was there was things that I had to do to to to become

1:12:31 that, and I wasn't gonna let it just go to waste. I didn't

1:12:35 have a horrible time in the Marine Corps, but coming you know, after

1:12:38 doing that, coming back into it, yeah, everybody treated me like shit.

1:12:43 That's just how it was. Do I blame them for it, No,

1:12:45 because that's they had their minds made up, you know what. That

1:12:47 makes them feel better. And there's a lot of them that that fucking resent

1:12:49 me to this day because I'm successful because I can do what they can't afford

1:12:54 to do, and you know what, because I know what it's like to

1:12:57 lose shit. These a lot of these guys are afraid to lose shit.

1:12:59 There are a lot they're afraid to take the fucking risks. They want to

1:13:01 take risks in the ways that suit them. But when it comes to entrepreneurship

1:13:05 of being on your own and being responsible for hundreds of but employees, guess

1:13:10 what if I fuck up, they all lose their jobs. They all the

1:13:14 customer base, as a matter of fact, also does the same thing.

1:13:16 So it's a reputation. So I, you know, I've done things enough

1:13:21 to lose it. I've been homeless before for six months, living out of

1:13:25 a car, had my dog only with me. I had a fucking big

1:13:27 screen. I was trying to sell the back of my fucking car, trying

1:13:30 to get money, ended up getting a job. You know. I was

1:13:32 taking showers of twenty four our fitness, sleeping in my car, get enough

1:13:35 money to literally supply food for myself and my dog. You know. So

1:13:41 I've lost things enough to know how to gain it back. That's what real

1:13:45 success is. It's not sitting here just saying that everything's pleasant. And every

1:13:49 entrepreneur is going to say the same thing. It's fucking hell. Entrepreneurship is

1:13:54 the hardest job I've ever had, and it's going to continue to be because

1:13:58 you have to think outside the box. You spend a lot of money to

1:14:00 make money and then you know what, and it's not going to change.

1:14:03 So you know, I'm not going to throw shade. I'm not here for

1:14:08 that. These guys can think whatever they want to think. I know,

1:14:11 the guys that were with me, they don't want to come out and they

1:14:13 don't want to be acknowledged, and they're not really big fans of me,

1:14:15 and I understand why because they're going to get looped into that too. And

1:14:20 some of these guys are some of these guys are still in the Marine Corps.

1:14:25 So I'm not going to tarnish their reputation and that because that's as ultimately

1:14:30 what would happen, you know, And and you know, it sucks,

1:14:33 like I said, it sucks being in this position. But I've got people

1:14:38 that you know, try to throw shade because oh, you know, I'm

1:14:41 discredited because I went you way, there's nothing to be with discredit literally telling

1:14:45 everybody what happened. That's it. You know, It's just like It's just

1:14:50 like what we see with gruts. They try what when when you speak out

1:14:59 against and now that you're coming out and telling your story, they're going to

1:15:02 use whatever they can any wrinkle in your career, they are going to exploit

1:15:09 that. And I mean, I assume you knew that, yeah, when

1:15:13 you hold your story. But guess what. I've had skin, thick skin

1:15:17 ever since I was a kid man. I had to. I got thick

1:15:21 skin as an entrepreneur, as a marine especially, That's just how it's going

1:15:27 to be. Everybody has to have thick skin to survive in this world,

1:15:30 and especially when you're trying to make somebody make a business happen in a good

1:15:34 way. You've got a lot of competition. Yeah, a lot of people

1:15:38 trying to basically do the same thing. They'll go on your fucking Google review

1:15:42 pages and leave reviews trying to slander everybody. You know, we don't.

1:15:45 I don't have my employees doing that. I don't do that. I go

1:15:48 and tell the truth on reviews because if there's a place I've been to that's

1:15:53 been great, I want other people to also enjoy that too. And I

1:15:56 have a soft spot for small business because that's what we are. I want

1:16:00 that, you know what I mean. So we have to take care of

1:16:01 each other. The change they got all the financial support. I don't have

1:16:04 any of the stuff that they've got. Everything's got to be self funded.

1:16:08 I don't have a line of credit, I don't have anything like that.

1:16:11 Yeah, stay here, man, you're gonna be own pocket and everything's going

1:16:14 to be funded. And the way that I always tell people is like,

1:16:18 yeah, what made me successful is Okay, you guys want to know.

1:16:21 I'll give you, guys some entrepreneur advice. Write it down if you want

1:16:25 to or anything like that. You get a job that pays you six figures,

1:16:30 you live off a half of that. Then what you do is you

1:16:32 use other money to basically invest in other business that you can do on a

1:16:35 side. Gig, right, something that's going to be on the side,

1:16:39 flipping equipment, flipping cars, flipping whatever it is. Finding something cheaper,

1:16:43 making a couple of dollars profit off of it, You're going to build it

1:16:46 up. Excuse me, over time. You have to say consistent. So

1:16:53 get a six six figure paying job, live off a half of that.

1:16:56 If you can understand you've got kids, understand you got other stuff that's going

1:17:00 to maybe you have a wife that doesn't work, or a husband that doesn't

1:17:02 work, you know, somebody like that. But in my reference, that's

1:17:06 what made me successful with that was making six figures, living off half of

1:17:11 that and then supplying the other money to basically fund the other operations that I

1:17:14 was doing, you know. So that's how that works. And basically you're

1:17:17 using one to supply another. Then you start getting income from two streams to

1:17:23 where it gets enough then you can start a third one. But however,

1:17:25 the only problem is we have it what's called a woman in a red dress,

1:17:30 the shiny object that you see that, oh, this is a good

1:17:33 business idea. But problem is, you got holes in the buckets on the

1:17:35 other stuff that you're working on. So you have to refine, refine,

1:17:40 refine, spend the money to refine, make those other buckets no holes in

1:17:45 them, and then concentrate on the other thing that you want to. Everybody

1:17:48 says to be a millionaire, you need seven lines of income. That's bullshit.

1:17:53 It's bullshit. You don't need that much. You don't need that many

1:17:57 lines of income to do that. Just have to be well versed, most

1:18:01 and passion goes a long way too. You have to be passionate about what

1:18:05 you're doing. Confident, confident, and passionate. You're gonna get your you

1:18:10 know, businesses is warrant itself, you know. So you know, it's

1:18:15 one of those things that it's tough. I love how tough it is.

1:18:19 But I hope that other people, you know, I would love to be

1:18:24 the guy to give people business advice and teach him how to do this instead

1:18:27 of talking about UFOs, instead of talking about black teams. That's what I'm

1:18:30 really passionate about, is entrepreneurship and businesses. Yeah, you know, so

1:18:33 I can't wait to I can't wait to come see uh, you know what

1:18:39 you've built, man, I really can't and I can't wait help the world.

1:18:43 I'm not taking credit for it. I got business partner and has done

1:18:45 a lot of great things with it too. So it's not just me,

1:18:47 you know, but we player has together. We made something fucking beautiful and

1:18:50 it's going to continue to grow that way. And it's it's it's inspiring that

1:18:58 you know, from from the traumatic event that you did experience, uh,

1:19:02 to put a positive spin on it and to to try to do something better,

1:19:08 to tell your story, the further disclosure, but all all the while

1:19:14 still building your own empire. Right. It's it's just that's the American dream.

1:19:19 Brother, Well, you live in a dream. I think it should

1:19:23 be everybody's dream. Everybody wants to be with, everybody wants to be successful.

1:19:26 You know the thing I'm gonna tell you, guys, more money,

1:19:30 more problems, lawyer, get some lawyers, because I mean that's the other

1:19:34 thing. You get a lot of money, start getting lawyers. I got

1:19:38 really good lawyers, you know. So So let's we're gonna be kind of

1:19:44 transitioning here. So we so the event happens where we kind of stopped off.

1:19:47 Was the camera. Now, first off, I didn't even realize.

1:19:53 I don't think in all of our conversations, hours and hours of conversation,

1:19:57 mind you did I even did I remember or take note of this? So,

1:20:02 first off, you had the camera on that camera. Did you take

1:20:06 any pictures of the craft? Yes, anything, That was when we were

1:20:11 on top of the slope. But you did take a picture of the craft.

1:20:15 Yeah, I took video and I took pictures. And then after you

1:20:18 it was the thing and I stung it in there. So in the back

1:20:21 of my mind. I'm literally like, okay, well I'm not crazy because

1:20:27 we literally got pictures and video. But you know, so, so just

1:20:30 to put your guys as a perspective in my shoes, mind you because of

1:20:36 me going away and obviously getting put into a different company and having that black

1:20:42 mark on me, essentially is not being the marine that you know, kisses

1:20:45 everybody's ass and does all that. How do you know, so having to

1:20:53 trust in my chin of command? Do you really think at that point I

1:20:55 had trust in my chinea command when all that shit's going on, You think

1:20:59 I trust any of these guys to sit there and say, oh yeah,

1:21:00 you're not going to think I'm crazy because you already think I'm a ship bag

1:21:03 because I went you a So why am I going to bother to tell anybody

1:21:09 that's in charge of me that this happened. I didn't feel confident with that.

1:21:13 I didn't feel confident at all. You know. I had to be

1:21:15 in this place because that's what we were told to do, you know.

1:21:18 So at that point, that's when I felt all of us, as a

1:21:23 matter of fact, too, were in the same boat as well. Nobody

1:21:25 going to take us serious. Everybody's kind of you know, how do I

1:21:28 put this? I don't want this to sound negative. Marines are kind of

1:21:31 carbon copy of their leaders, right, I say the same thing that their

1:21:38 leaders do. They just basically recurgitated versions that you get seniority, you build

1:21:42 up brank and you start doing the same thing. You still have the structure,

1:21:46 so you're not really changing your mindset a whole lot. The only time

1:21:49 you really change your mindset is when you're actually doing your job out in country

1:21:53 or going to combat. Right, you're regrigitating information that you're taking from your

1:21:58 seniors at teaching you and passing it to your your subordinates. Right, So

1:22:04 everybody on essentially is like a carbon copy. You're kind of like not told

1:22:08 to think, you're just told to do. You don't really think, you

1:22:11 know, you think when you're doing your job. There's one way I can

1:22:13 describe it. So, you know, having that instance of think, not

1:22:16 having the confidence in the leadership to just basically say, okay, well yeah,

1:22:19 you're you're a ship bag because you went you wait, we're not gonna

1:22:24 take you serious, and all of a sudden, because you think that you

1:22:26 talk to them in confidence about something that that you know is serious. I

1:22:30 know a lot of other Marines that had things happen to them that wasn't even

1:22:34 on this level, but just something that was personal, and that leader that

1:22:38 was in charge of them goes and tells the whole damp platoon that this person's

1:22:41 dealing with that even though it's personal, you know what I mean. So

1:22:45 it's something that they got for it, you know. So it was one

1:22:49 of those things that you know, yeah, I'm not gonna have confidence,

1:22:51 and that none of these other guys did. You know that the only the

1:22:56 only confidence we had was obviously just keeping our mouths shut and not saying anything,

1:23:00 and then obviously getting to a point where we were able to have this

1:23:04 happen now, even though it's been a long time being that's for a reason

1:23:09 I didn't. I don't enjoy talking about this. This isn't something that makes

1:23:12 me happy to do. This is something that I feel compelled to do because

1:23:16 it's the truth and it needs to get out. And it's been it's been

1:23:20 unraveling people's minds. It's been questioning people, you know, questioning themselves.

1:23:26 It questions me, which great hit, go ahead and do that. But

1:23:30 the but the issue is is now that there's one, you know, because

1:23:32 there's been other things that have similar happened that's coming out all of a sudden

1:23:35 talking about these programs or whatnot. So the camera itself was in my locker

1:23:44 on ship. We were going out to Liberty for a few days. Now,

1:23:47 mind you, we had to report back to the ship. Okay,

1:23:51 So needless to say, I get back that first night and my camera's on

1:23:58 my rack. It was in my locker. It was locked away. It

1:24:01 had a combo lock, you know, all that kind of stuff, and

1:24:03 my lock was not busted, it was not harmed. It was I don't

1:24:06 know how the hell they opened it, but I had another battery in that

1:24:10 locker. So when I got the camera off the rack, the battery was

1:24:13 gone and the memory card was gone, but the camera was still there.

1:24:16 So I took you know, okay, maybe they're the data is saved on

1:24:19 this. Take the battery out of my lock, unlock it, pop it

1:24:24 in, try to turn on the camera. Nothing. So at that point

1:24:32 I kind of went to the other guys and was like, hey, did

1:24:34 you guys have anything disappear or kind of like get messed with, And they're

1:24:39 like, yeah, our phones I'm like, what happened to your phones?

1:24:45 They're gone? So I left my phone back in the rear at at base.

1:24:50 You know, I didn't take it on ship with me because obviously there's

1:24:53 no signal out there I could use, and there's no reason to have it

1:24:57 besides taking pictures. But that's why I had a camera, because it took

1:25:00 better pictures than the phone that I had. So yeah, back then,

1:25:05 most people would that was like the digital camera. It was the boom,

1:25:12 you know, when you because now you didn't have to use the film,

1:25:15 and they were pretty good quality too, much better than what was on the

1:25:20 cell phone at the time, right, No, it's one hundred percent.

1:25:24 That's why I decided to do that way, you know. And I didn't

1:25:27 want to lose my phone, you know, because I had everybody's contacts in

1:25:29 there, and obviously phones are getting expensive, so you know, I had

1:25:33 a Sony ericson MP three phone, which was the ship back then, so

1:25:36 you could play like music tracks and I had like the gold buttons on it,

1:25:41 and it was like, I was like, man, this is awesome.

1:25:44 So I used to work out and listen to music with that, and

1:25:46 you know, it's a good phone. So I didn't want to. I

1:25:48 didn't want to mess it up. But then when I got back to base,

1:25:50 I ended up leaving it in some clothes and washed it anyway, so

1:25:55 that by by so when I got fun to begin with. So yeah,

1:26:00 planning and go as well as I thought smart. So the other guys get

1:26:08 their phones taken, you get your your basically, I mean, all that's

1:26:13 needed to be taken is a spe card and now you have no So so

1:26:20 someone literally, I mean an organization. That organization came in and tied up

1:26:30 the loose entence and you know in a way that I guess they didn't have

1:26:36 to kill you because now, I mean, your story sounds so crazy that

1:26:42 if you go sprouting it out in two thousand and nine, like you said,

1:26:45 you're gonna end up at some sort of mental facility or you're just not

1:26:50 going to be taken. Seriously, back then, this was not the now

1:26:55 Conressionally, hearings weren't happening. All of that would have happened, right,

1:26:59 not the hearings part, but everything such as you know they locked they like

1:27:02 to lock people up for that kind of ship. Yeah, you know so,

1:27:05 and especially a military career. I mean look, how many pilots have

1:27:09 seen stuff in the sky and all of a sudden their careers are completely ruined

1:27:13 because they reported it, you know, and that and then and you know,

1:27:17 come to find out with this organization, they have their fingers and everything.

1:27:23 They got people in the military that are at the top that literally filter

1:27:27 orders down and nobody questions. And that's how it is. They got people

1:27:30 in media, they got people in government, obviously, they got people everywhere.

1:27:34 I'm reminded, and I know you and I privately have talked about this,

1:27:39 and now we're going to kind of transition to your search. So you've

1:27:46 told other parts. I mean, you've told this story, right, We're

1:27:49 not going to get hung up on what happens from the sighting to use searching.

1:27:58 We're going to kind of jump to the disclosure project and you searching for

1:28:00 truth. I think you've gone over all the other details in depth, and

1:28:08 if anyone wants to really hear that, I really really highly recommend the Sean

1:28:14 Ryan interview you did. It was like you go into so much detail there,

1:28:19 So let's skip ahead to your search for truth and who how do you

1:28:26 like is it always lingering in your head like I'm going to find who those

1:28:31 people were or in the last couple of years, is it seeing the other

1:28:36 people step forward that really got you to like, I'm doing this. I'm

1:28:42 going to sacrifice what I need and tell my story. No, I wasn't.

1:28:47 I was not originally that heroic. I didn't want to be public about

1:28:50 this. I had told Greer that. So I watched Sean Ryan Show with

1:28:58 Doctor Greer the first time he went on, and he talked about you know,

1:29:01 because I signed to d n DA, And that was with a gentleman

1:29:04 who was perceiving himself as an Air Force lieutenant colonel that called me up to

1:29:10 the CP that was empty. There was nobody there was on a weekend.

1:29:13 There was no duty even present, and he basically said that we weren't allowed

1:29:17 to talk about it. We could be executed, we could put in jail.

1:29:20 And I gave a sketch that I did to the Pentagon, and I

1:29:26 remember, obviously the silver oak leaves he had on his collar and he had

1:29:31 some jump wings. That was the only thing. He didn't have pilot wings

1:29:33 or anything, but he had jump wings. And so when Drush vetted me

1:29:38 and among other people, they said, okay, That makes sense because that

1:29:41 means that he was intelligence. That's an intelligence air Force officer, which segments

1:29:46 into Obviously, what people are finding out these days is that Air Force intelligence

1:29:50 is segmenting into these other programs. So that was the gentleman. I don't

1:29:56 know it's to this day, I don't know who he is, but I

1:29:58 gave a description. I literally did a full detailed sketch that I provided Arrow

1:30:01 and a bunch of other people to basically say, hey, if you guys

1:30:03 can take this put in the system however you can, And this is what

1:30:08 the guy looked like. And so he was the one that made us sign

1:30:13 the NBA's I didn't. I skimmed over it. The only thing I can

1:30:15 recall seeing is TSSCI and Indonesia. There's only other things. I fucking signed

1:30:19 it because I was I was, I was afraid because this this only happened

1:30:24 month about a month prior, and then all of a sudden we get you

1:30:28 know, obviously the camera goes missing, or at least the SD card or

1:30:31 the memory card, and then the battery, and then the Marines other phones,

1:30:35 and then so like okay, then it's just like trickling this harassment you

1:30:40 know, like, Okay, it's not out of You're not out of the

1:30:42 woods yet, right, So I just sign it and just leave, right,

1:30:45 And I asked him, sure, I can, I ask who you

1:30:47 are? And he just looked at me and just didn't say anything, and

1:30:50 they just pointed. So I walked out the door. I'm like looking behind

1:30:55 me and to give him a proper greading, and weren't outside, so I

1:30:57 didn't salute him or anything because he's a higher rank. Right. That was

1:31:02 the last of that incident at least, you know, which would span from

1:31:05 that. So that was kind of the thing that was held over my head

1:31:13 for years because I'm like, why, you know, these guys obviously know

1:31:15 who we are, because they literally trapped us to this point. They obviously

1:31:18 know my name, they know my social Security number, they know pretty much

1:31:24 everything. They know type, So how everything about you? Why am I

1:31:30 going to go you know, something with that kind of extreme Why am I

1:31:32 going to go through the links of doing that? But then when they talked

1:31:35 about kind of having these protections in place, and and you know, Greery,

1:31:41 if you ever get him on the show, you could you could ask

1:31:42 him like did he have the intention of going public. I had no intention

1:31:45 of going public. I didn't want to, but then I started thinking about

1:31:48 it. I started thinking about in a sense that you know what, if

1:31:51 there's any other people who have witnessed what I've seen in similar instances, maybe

1:31:58 people have been murdered for which come to find that there has been maybe I

1:32:02 can be the one to lead the path. Maybe I can get other people,

1:32:08 you know, to kind of follow suit and go behind the scenes and

1:32:11 tell other people what I experienced and what you know, if they've encountered some

1:32:15 olar things such as a military force that was doing this, and so far

1:32:24 it kind of has happened, but it didn't happen in a way of incidental

1:32:29 witness such as myself. It happened in the way of these people in this

1:32:33 program that are doing these operations, such as the operators coming forward on the

1:32:41 back end and providing details to people in the government. An Arrow in you

1:32:47 know, Pentagon, Washington, DC, just a bunch of suits and ties,

1:32:51 and you know some other other famous people. I'm not going to give

1:32:57 their names. Yeah, excuse, I mean, I know personally you are

1:33:06 the third person on the show that has given testimony to Arrow. I do

1:33:12 want to just ask how long did you give testimony to Arrow and did they

1:33:19 seem like they were interested in at all? Okay, it's a great question,

1:33:26 and you know I haven't really went in depth of that. I can't

1:33:29 nearly go in depth with the conversation with Arrow because I did sign a non

1:33:32 disclosure about that. The only thing I can tell is because I will see

1:33:36 everybody knows doctor k was involved with that, and I did meet with him

1:33:40 in person. I will tell you that one of the gentlemen I'm not going

1:33:46 to give who he is, that was in there with me. We end

1:33:48 up becoming really good friends. He was there with me the whole process.

1:33:54 Very good guy, very high up in the government at that point too.

1:33:58 He had told me that because he's been to every interview with Arrow, with

1:34:01 other whistleblowers, and he says that he was very surprised to see that most

1:34:06 of them were taking notes about what I was saying, because most of them

1:34:11 weren't doing that with other whistleblowers, which is bullshit. I mean, if

1:34:14 you're in this trusted position, excuse me to take you know, to do

1:34:18 something to investigate this. I would expect you to have a notepad and a

1:34:23 pen and writing down key details that you could look into. One of the

1:34:27 things that I was really trying to get them because they printed out satellite imagery

1:34:31 of the area and we're trying to figure out and narrowed it down. I

1:34:34 was in the pilot. I didn't plan the mission. I don't know specifically

1:34:38 where we went. The only thing I can recall is basically where the helicopter

1:34:41 with a point of view being in the back where the ocean was facing.

1:34:44 And that's the only thing I can go off, you know. So I

1:34:46 was, you know, kind of looking at the train, maybe trying to

1:34:49 see but obviously this is fourteen years ago, so there's things that have changed

1:34:53 since then. Vegetation, I mean, you name it. So I asked

1:34:57 him, and I said, do you guys have the capability because this the

1:35:00 United States government, this is intelligence agencies that are literally in this. You

1:35:03 know, you could you guys have any SAT imagery from two thousand and nine

1:35:06 that you guys could possibly provide me and then maybe I can look it over

1:35:10 and try to do that. And I hear crickets. They were interested,

1:35:14 and obviously the sketches I did because they asked for that. I've got emails

1:35:16 of them hounting me, asking when they're going to be done and all this,

1:35:19 and then I sent them over through a secure server that they sent over

1:35:23 through an email that I had to log into, and then basically upload all

1:35:27 the files and then everything like that, and I didn't hear anything from them.

1:35:32 And at that point I'm like, Okay, maybe because they were telling

1:35:35 me in these emails that Okay, we're interested in actually following up and looking

1:35:41 into this. But obviously almost a year later, we know exactly how that

1:35:46 went. You end up planting out that Arrows a front for this group among

1:35:53 others as well. And what it seems like is they were trying to siphon

1:35:57 information from people to see if you know, basically Arrow. This is how

1:36:04 ridiculous it is. Some of the whistleblowers, I know, they have key

1:36:10 locations, they've got assets that they can prove at these locations, They've got

1:36:15 people in charge that they can name on the subpoena. But yet these guys

1:36:19 don't want to go investigate that. You want to know what they're going to

1:36:23 go investigate. They want to go see what Fraver saw, but thirty,

1:36:25 you know, twenty thousand feet that's what they want to go see. They'll

1:36:29 investigate the satellite imagery of that, but they're not going to go to these

1:36:32 locations that would basically subsequently just blow this whole thing open. They don't care

1:36:36 about that, you know why. That's what kind of told me that,

1:36:40 Okay, these guys and come to find out that doctor K is relaying this

1:36:45 information to a panel of people of what his findings are, and then the

1:36:48 two of those people are two of the gatekeepers for the Legacy program that are

1:36:54 the bad guys. So obviously people are connecting the dots with that. Now

1:36:59 that's all coming out, So obviously what this is going to say is like,

1:37:01 hey, they're trying to tell him basically to investigate the shit that they

1:37:05 really can't investigate, and then just turn a blind eye to the stuff that

1:37:09 they can. Right, I'm by design. I mean this is it's so

1:37:13 faulty because it puts everybody at risk that literally came in good faith to put

1:37:18 trust in this, to sit there and say, hey, can you guys

1:37:21 do something about this? And all they're going to do is is no,

1:37:25 they're not. They're going to play more into it. So you know,

1:37:30 it's one of those things. That's disappointing, but I kind of expected it,

1:37:34 you know, but at least you know. That's why I'm proud to

1:37:38 say before going to stepping into arrow, go into the Pentagon, that I

1:37:46 talked to the Sun Intelligence Committee before which I signed an NDA with them.

1:37:50 I was in a skiff. I briefed a lot of them. There was

1:37:53 a couple of Congress and Senators that were there, and they asked me the

1:37:58 same questions kind of, but they were really really more interested compared to what

1:38:01 ER was perceiving to be. And the purpose, the reason why they did

1:38:06 it that way was because if they have the same information I provided them,

1:38:12 and then Ero comes back and says that they got nothing. Even though some

1:38:15 of these key people took me over the Pentagon to begin with, they're comparing

1:38:18 notes. Java sent intelligence commute was to hold Erroll accountable, so that kind

1:38:27 of happened to an extent. But there's a lot of red tape that they're

1:38:30 involved with too, So I mean, it's politics. People are more interested

1:38:35 about money as opposed to doing the right thing. My take is you will

1:38:41 make a lot of money doing the right thing. It doesn't happen to it's

1:38:45 kind of shit. I mean, it's just it blows my mind, Like,

1:38:47 is somebody who's self funding all of my stuff? That's you know,

1:38:50 I'm wealthy. I love having what I have. I worked very hard for

1:38:56 it. I don't throw shade on people to do that, but I will

1:38:59 throw shape that if that is. Like, I'm very money motivated too,

1:39:02 but it's for the right reason. If it's under morals and ethics, then

1:39:05 it's it's all game. So these guys could do the same thing. They

1:39:11 can make money off of this kind of technology by patenting it and then having

1:39:14 companies do what they usually do. Right, there's a way they can throw

1:39:17 spinoffs at this. This happens all the time. Right when it comes to

1:39:20 politics. Money is a lot different because they're not using their money, they're

1:39:25 using your money. They're using money at people watching this video right now.

1:39:30 They're using money to see every US taxpayer. That's what they're using. Guys.

1:39:35 So they're they're, they're, they're they're how do you put god?

1:39:42 I suck with analogies today. Some days I'm just on that, but today

1:39:45 I'm not. They're basically feathering their own nest, you know, at this

1:39:53 point, and they're using taxpayer money to do that, you know, And

1:39:58 I've lost confidence and the fact that voting actually does anything these days because it's

1:40:02 all about donors. It's all about money, it's all about lobbyists. That's

1:40:05 what that's what they care for, you know. But if anything can change,

1:40:11 obviously we know who's been against this. So when it comes up time

1:40:15 to actually put new blood into the tank, vote these assholes out. Yeah,

1:40:20 and and I mean you might not want to say it, but these

1:40:25 guys like Mike Turner in you know, Ohio, who just so happens to

1:40:30 be funded by these same organizations that hold the keys to these programs and and

1:40:40 uh, these this military industrial complex that's been created. Yeah, yeah,

1:40:45 they definitely need to go. And that brings me to your search for the

1:40:50 So you come out at the Disclosure Project two point zero after years of contemplation,

1:41:00 and you know, should I do it just naturally right in your head?

1:41:05 I'm assuming since the day it happened to the day you came out.

1:41:11 I mean, that's got to be a big step forward. And I want

1:41:14 to address something that people seem to call you out for for some reason,

1:41:19 the pins you were wearing during the I know I can't even believe we're about

1:41:25 to have this conversation. But we told we we said it to each other

1:41:30 that we were going to have it. So let's get it out on the

1:41:32 open. Why were the pins and what does it mean to you? Okay,

1:41:38 Well, all I'm going to say is this, there are bad apples

1:41:42 in every organization, and unfortunately that happens even with as being a Freemason,

1:41:47 and as somebody who has spent a you know, a good chunk of my

1:41:50 life into that. I was a Freemason since I was eighteen, and that's

1:41:55 why, like I've seen slander saying like, oh, I'm a devil worshiper

1:41:57 in the Marine Corps, you know, because I you know, black clothes.

1:42:00 Oh God, that says that I worshiped the devil. And you know

1:42:03 we have ghats that we sacrifice. Well, I have not seen a goat

1:42:06 in a lodge ever since I've been to meetings and all that. Never see

1:42:09 a damn goat all right, So depends obviously, one, I'm a Freemason,

1:42:15 I have pens. I have. Obviously, this was a brother that

1:42:17 actually got in touch with me. There's that, right. So I don't

1:42:20 know if you guys can see that might be upside down, all right,

1:42:24 I have that. I have a tattoo on my arm one that I designed.

1:42:28 Right, it's very symbolic, which is the Mason logo, the square

1:42:32 and compass. Right, So it actually has a skull here, which represents

1:42:36 mortality and immortality. It has all it has, it has the let's see,

1:42:43 it has the all seeing eye. Right, there's a lot of things

1:42:46 around that. It's not that I have lucifer, so don't get that in

1:42:48 your head. And then the Hebrew ancient Hebrew is l I usually we have

1:42:54 a G in the middle of here in HT. Well, you can't find

1:42:57 light. G is supposed to present uh generative principle or what people call God

1:43:02 or the grand architect of the universe. Right, Well, you can't have

1:43:06 knowledge without finding the truth or light. You can't find the light without the

1:43:11 finding God or that that purpose. Right. I have yet to find that

1:43:15 personally. But when I do, I'm going to put the ancient I'm going

1:43:17 to put the G in here. When I do that, that's the whole

1:43:21 it. Maybe it will happen after disclosure happens, Maybe that maybe that might

1:43:26 be the time that I actually put the g on there as far as as

1:43:30 far as what people think the World Economic Forum that that that was the pen

1:43:33 Now that's that's called the SDG, which is I'm a member of Lucid's Trust,

1:43:36 which is an organization with the United Nations. And it meant nothing.

1:43:43 Okay when I say this, don't not that masonry is nothing. It was

1:43:50 nothing to show you were part of some cabal or like it wasn't you weren't

1:43:57 throwing out say no symbology because you were at the National Press Club. What

1:44:04 it was was because there are brothers of mine that are also related to these

1:44:10 programs, to these and it doesn't even have to relate to to the the

1:44:14 these rogue programs that are a part of the deep black realm, right,

1:44:17 I'm talking about anything anybody who's in the kind of corrupted side of things that

1:44:21 is just somebody who's caught in the middle of it. My inspiration to where

1:44:26 that stuff was to say, hey, if you're a part of what I'm

1:44:29 a part of, please come forward and help me with this. To an

1:44:32 extent exactly, that's why what is a call for it's also a call for

1:44:39 protection too, because I've had a lot of brothers reach out to me after

1:44:42 seeing all my interviews, and they have nothing but good things to say,

1:44:45 and a lot of them are like, I fucking knew it. I fucking

1:44:47 knew this shit was real, you know, knew it was going and that

1:44:51 so we have so much to unpack here, because not only in one night

1:44:58 do you get the confirmation that some and and I'm like, I'm oddly inspired

1:45:04 to I mean called to Daniel innyuay Uh, former senator of Hawaii. He's

1:45:12 actually one of the senators that Harry Reid went to to get the program ASAPS

1:45:19 started. But Daniel in a way made that speech talking about a shadowy,

1:45:28 fractal part of our government that exists with its own army, its own navy,

1:45:34 its own fundraising mechanisms. It operates above the law and without oversight from

1:45:42 congressional or any means. And this is so deep that the president isn't even

1:45:50 aware it's going on. How do we go up against something like that?

1:45:56 Well, let me let me explain something to you, guys. I've had

1:46:00 people ask, oh, they could take over the world. They already did,

1:46:04 They did it a long time ago. Yeah, look around, Yeah,

1:46:09 well exactly, you know, they own politicians. They literally own governments

1:46:14 like you need everybody needs to think that. Yes, you guys need to

1:46:17 be in the mindset that takeover has already happened, because it did Biden was

1:46:23 put into office. I'm not going to get into politics, but I'm gonnaell

1:46:26 you what I know. There have been key people, including Biden, that

1:46:29 have been helped into this position as a way for them to say, Hey,

1:46:32 we can do whatever the fuck we want. We can put people in

1:46:35 charge whoever we want to. This is all and like every I'm not you

1:46:41 know this that I hate. I don't like politics. If you believe Biden

1:46:45 and they and you think he's great, I support you on that. You

1:46:48 think Trump is great, I support you on that. If you're a United

1:46:51 States citizen, I support you. I want you to believe whatever you want

1:46:57 to believe. You don't have to believe me. I'm not asking for that.

1:47:00 I believe in you, and I want you to believe in what you

1:47:03 want to believe. That is the beautiful thing about this country, all right,

1:47:08 But I will say that if you're not opening your eyes and seeing what

1:47:11 the hell's going on in this world, and you think that that's normal,

1:47:14 it's not normal. Everybody says that os Masons are the ones that are responsible

1:47:17 for that, the illuminati. No, I'll tell you this. In lodge

1:47:23 meetings, we have a hard time figuring out who's going to bring fucking pancakes

1:47:27 to breakfast. Goddamn organized. Now, I will say this, there are

1:47:32 people in our organization who happen to be in very high positions of power.

1:47:38 So when people see them with such as the stuff that I've had, well

1:47:45 that's exactly it. But the problem is, and I'm kind of going off

1:47:47 in the weeds with this, because there has been corporate interests that have infiltrated

1:47:53 our brotherhood and along with that comes money. It's no different from politics,

1:48:00 different from these programs. I know the history of how we started to an

1:48:03 extent, I know how the CFR was made, which I tried to get

1:48:06 into the CFR by the way, and I chickened out, and I had

1:48:11 some sponsorships. They're going to help me with being the Council for Relations,

1:48:13 but I just honestly don't have time for it. And I'd feel like I

1:48:15 don't feel like donating thirty five forty thousand dollars each time. That's just wait

1:48:21 to become thirty third degree and have to donate twenty five thousand dollars to the

1:48:26 House of the Temple. I'm sorry, you know, I haven't been nominated

1:48:29 to do that, and I don't think I will. And I haven't really

1:48:31 attended a meeting ever since COVID happened because I've been busy with my business and

1:48:38 it's one of those things I'm not you know. I love the reason why

1:48:40 I was a Mason to begin with one because I've heard of the camaraderie.

1:48:45 There's a lot of brothers, another former military, which is great. I've

1:48:48 met a lot of great, phenomenal people. One of the beautiful things about

1:48:53 our organization is networking, in plugging in with other successful people. I didn't

1:48:59 learn this stuff on my own, guys. I picked their brains on how

1:49:01 to become successful. It starts with confidence. It starts with setting literally setting

1:49:06 the intention of your of your life, putting you know, brain waves are

1:49:10 very powerful things, so get your brain waves. And the biggest thing I

1:49:14 can tell you, guys, these affirmations are very real. But the other

1:49:16 thing is real is guess what you need to start saying that if you really

1:49:19 want to be rich, you're already fucking rich and everything that you start believing

1:49:25 that, and you genuinely believe that everything in your life is going to follow

1:49:28 suit. I promise you this because I've done it myself. Yeah. Yeah,

1:49:32 it starts up here, guys, and it starts with a passion.

1:49:35 That is how you become successful. You literally tell yourself you already have it

1:49:39 because your brain doesn't know the difference. Your eyes are literally things that really

1:49:43 suck in light and that's what you're seeing, right. But you're literally your

1:49:48 body is made for the environment of this world. But your brain's in a

1:49:53 different frequency, guys. So you start thinking in that frequency and start getting

1:49:57 the brain waves, it's going to generate that for you. It sounds fucking

1:50:00 crazy, not as crazy as what I've been talking about for almost a year,

1:50:04 but it's very real. Guys. Your words matter. We've proven that.

1:50:10 I mean, you know that, you're very real. Yeah you you

1:50:14 you you know you probably know the study the guy in the students, they

1:50:18 basically spoke to water before freezing it and crystallizing it, and they spoke uh

1:50:28 words like love, hate, you know, mass shooting, uh flower and

1:50:34 all the things that would represent good. The crystals were gorgeous. And then

1:50:41 all the words that they froze that were bad that they spoke bad words to

1:50:46 or negative negatively connotated meaning to the to the words. The crystals were a

1:50:54 mess in all, you know, they weren't beautiful like you see in in

1:50:59 the movies, right, And it just goes to show you that the way

1:51:02 and you think, the way that you think, and the way that you

1:51:05 what you speak, how you speak, it all matters to the environment around

1:51:12 you. When you're in a pissed off mood, everything's shitty, but when

1:51:17 you're smiling, everything's great. Right, So I wanted, how did this,

1:51:25 How did this affect you in that way? Because clearly you you went

1:51:30 through some sort of transformation. I mean, it did have anything to do

1:51:34 with with with the Night in two thousand and nine. Liked did it confirm?

1:51:42 Well? I mean, I mean in this in a way, when

1:51:45 you saw that craft, you have to think one of two things. It's

1:51:50 alien or it's ours and it's back engineered from alien technology. And I said

1:51:58 that earlier, that that's what it come for me? Was that the case,

1:52:00 what my success in my mindset didn't come from any of that. That

1:52:04 was a negative part of my life and it still is. It's always going

1:52:08 to be, you know. And and really what change was because you know,

1:52:12 I'm getting you know again. I don't like talking about this and it

1:52:15 doesn't make me feel good to talk about it. But I had in January

1:52:19 of twenty thirteen, I had. I had attempted suicide. I didn't tell

1:52:25 anybody about it. I had nineteen eleven. My dad bought me for my

1:52:29 birthday the previous year, and that's when I lost everything. That's when I

1:52:32 was, you know, living out of the cars, about to start doing

1:52:35 that, and I I wrapped myself in bed sheets and I took the weapon,

1:52:45 put it to my chin and pulled the trigger. And I'm still here.

1:52:54 And the reason why is because that hammer, literally a couple of millimeters

1:52:59 did not come and on tap of the fire and pinner, and mind you,

1:53:02 I fired that weapon several times. I put hunters of around through.

1:53:05 It functioned like a top. I mean, I'm a marine and how to

1:53:09 take care of my weapons. And that a couple millimeters saved my life.

1:53:16 And the transformation happened because I realized at that point that if I had the

1:53:21 power to take my life, I had the power to do anything with my

1:53:27 life. So that was the catalyst of literally something like you like you have

1:53:36 to die to be reborn, is how I see it. And that was

1:53:42 the pivotal point because then I realized that, you know, I'm the only

1:53:45 one who's literally fucking up everything. If that's the case, well how do

1:53:49 I not do that? So I changed my mindset. I started thinking positive,

1:53:56 I started doing everything that I wanted to do in my life. The

1:53:59 only thing I realized was that I was I was only I was the one

1:54:02 that was stepping on my own dick, so to speak. You know.

1:54:05 So I it changed my life and and you know, guys, the only

1:54:11 way that you that you get past it is by taking risks, bigger risks,

1:54:15 bigger rewards. Now I can't say anything for for what I'm doing with

1:54:20 disclosure is going to be any risk because it's a huge risk, and what

1:54:24 are the rewards for me personally? I don't get money from this ship.

1:54:30 I don't get a payout. I don't I'm not I'm not paying him.

1:54:33 Just if anyone is wondering, I'm not paying Michael to be here make people's

1:54:38 money. You want to know why, because my testimony is not for fucking

1:54:41 sale. People want to monetize this ship. They do it all the time

1:54:45 to other people. They want to write books about themselves and make movies.

1:54:49 No, that's not how this happens. This is the reason why we're in

1:54:54 this fucking problem to begin with. You know, so, so that that

1:55:00 was the key, right there is? Yes, the risk I'm taking is

1:55:03 I want everybody. I want our world to change. I want humanity to

1:55:09 be better. I want to have better technologies. I want us to elevate

1:55:12 as a fucking human race and stop killing each other over fucking material. Because

1:55:15 material is the easiest thing you can get. Guys, you can make money

1:55:19 anywhere, So why do we treat it like it's so hard to get when

1:55:24 you literally can do anything to make money And you want to know? So

1:55:29 here, here's here's a side, tangent. I wanted to start an app.

1:55:31 Right, you have these apps that tell you like positive ship every day,

1:55:36 right, like, oh you know you'll you'll smash that, you'll get

1:55:39 an a plus on your on your physics test or something like that recement.

1:55:43 I want to do a fucking real app that says you know what, you

1:55:45 keep eating those fucking Cheetos. You're gonna be a fat fuck like that.

1:55:49 I want like because that is how shit changes, Guys. It ain't from

1:55:54 you know you have, yes, it is from positive thoughts, but it

1:55:57 happens to actually be rough with yourself to realize that shit has to change.

1:56:00 You have to not be happy with something if you're if you're broke and you're

1:56:04 happy, and you're unhappy being broke, there's other ways to make money.

1:56:09 If you're out of shape and you're happy, we'll get in shape, workout,

1:56:12 exercise. I promise you'll feel better. But you know that that's where

1:56:15 it comes down to things, Guys. This money is the kind of the

1:56:19 problem with this. Now, not everybody's like this. You know, there's

1:56:24 a lot of good people in the government, and I'm thankful that I got

1:56:27 to know a lot of good people in the government. And if they're watching

1:56:30 this, hey, keep keep fucking pressing on, guys, because I feel

1:56:33 like this is going to blow up here soon and it's going to be good

1:56:35 for everybody. But you know, money is the reason why this is an

1:56:42 issue. The money is the reason why this is secret. Okay, So

1:56:47 that that night in particular was you know, at least when I tried to

1:56:50 take my own life. Yeah, that was that was that was a catalyst

1:56:54 for it, you know. And I, you know, i'd call that

1:56:59 what I'd call that? Is it something? I mean, I don't know

1:57:03 how to interpret it other than divine intervention. It's almost like something It's almost

1:57:12 like you were meant to do what you're doing right now. Well, and

1:57:15 it's scary you say that, because that's why everything I feels falling into place

1:57:19 with this. And it's really weird to say that, because when you know,

1:57:24 when I went to disclosure two point zero, and you know, I

1:57:28 I talked at a Greer's event and it was nice to talk and I was

1:57:31 nervous. I mean, I was nervous in this aspect. Now, for

1:57:34 me, I competed in bodybuilding, So I was wearing nothing about something that

1:57:38 looked like a fucking banana hammock in front of thousands of people oiled up and

1:57:42 tanned up and you know, looking shredded and whatnot. You know, so

1:57:45 that right there is a little bit more nerve wrecking than talking to people about

1:57:48 an experience with the suit on. And you know, yeah, so yeah,

1:57:55 was I talking about something that I didn't you know, I didn't think

1:57:58 it was gonna get much. Yeah, but people, dude, I wouldn't

1:58:03 say it wasn't much. I mean, in the grand scheme of things,

1:58:08 you have to look around at what was also happening. I mean, grush

1:58:12 was just coming out. All that stuff was starting to break, like all

1:58:17 the levees were starting to come undone. So I think I think Greer kind

1:58:23 of Greer positioned that conference that that speaking engagement with all of you guys.

1:58:30 I think he did it at the wrong time. I think if he did

1:58:32 it a month later, it would have had such a bigger impact. And

1:58:39 honestly I would have went because I would have I would have been able to.

1:58:43 But your search for truth led you. I mean, there's one there's

1:58:47 one thing. Let me let me you know that there's a okay good.

1:58:54 So my search for truth didn't happen until literally after I gave my first speech

1:59:00 at that event. Right now, I am. I'm somebody who if somebody

1:59:04 provides for me, then I try to provide for them in any way that

1:59:08 I can, because I don't like getting free shit. I work for what

1:59:12 I have. I bust my off for what I have and That's that's how

1:59:15 I have things I had. I had told Career that you know what,

1:59:19 Okay, if you cover you're going to cover all my travel to go to

1:59:23 d C and being a part of your event and get us a hotel room

1:59:26 and pay for our dinners, which was nice of him to do and didn't

1:59:29 take any money because he didn't pay us obviously. And I told him,

1:59:35 Okay, if you're going to provide for me, then what I'm going to

1:59:38 do is provide for you. I have a private security firm. I am

1:59:41 not licensed to carry a firearm in Washington, d C. However, I

1:59:45 worked with people when I did security out there for some very important people and

1:59:49 we're talking about political people here too, that they were able to be armed.

1:59:55 I said, I can get in touch with them and see if any

1:59:57 of them can have anybody help us with giving us a guy that can be

2:00:00 armed. And that's exactly what happened. So I ran. I was also

2:00:04 security for him too. I took him to his green room and I got

2:00:09 to see kind of behind the scenes on how how Greer is and how you

2:00:12 know, how everything works. It's very complex. It's very interesting too.

2:00:15 Yeah, he's definitely a guy that doesn't leave a lot to chance. Yeah,

2:00:20 So I gave my presentation, obviously, and then there was a break.

2:00:26 So I took Greer back to his green room and I hear his phone

2:00:29 go off and he pulls it out, and my wife with me, so

2:00:33 she's sitting on a couch. He ended up talking about what we want to

2:00:35 get for like lunch or something. So we end up having like some sushi

2:00:39 and some like fried rice or so I have fried I love rice, right,

2:00:44 Rice is like fucking crack. I love rice. That's my favorite carb

2:00:47 and it is great. Oh man, you can do It's so good.

2:00:56 But yeah, so i'm you know, I'm talking to my wife and then

2:01:00 all of a sudden, Greer is like, hey, I got something to

2:01:01 show you, and so he has me his phone and I start reading this

2:01:08 message and it's on an encrypted platform. It's way more advancing signal, and

2:01:14 in it says I don't want to leave Michael hanging with this. But it

2:01:19 wasn't drugs and those containers that he saw. It was people, and he

2:01:28 he told Greer that he wants to discuss with Greer in person of what program

2:01:32 that is for and why. And when I say that. When I found

2:01:39 that out, my heart sunk and I started crying because here I am in

2:01:45 a position in two thousand and nine that I couldn't do anything about it.

2:01:53 And my worst thing, because all of a sudden, they have people and

2:01:55 containers. I'm starting to think about human trafficking Oregon harvesting. I mean,

2:01:59 everybody's heard of this it and that's where my mind went. And you never

2:02:01 and no one thinks it's No one thinks it's real. Like you know,

2:02:06 people are people associate world. It's the most lucrative business in the world.

2:02:13 Every government is also in some way allowing this to happen. Why do you

2:02:16 guys think that no government's after this shit? What it's not. It's by

2:02:21 design, guys. I mean, they have the resources that go do this.

2:02:24 They could end this within a couple maybe a couple of years. But

2:02:28 problems is is that people are involved with this that we never thought people would

2:02:30 be. And it's very concerning and this, you know. So so having

2:02:35 that in the back of my mind and I didn't think of anything like with

2:02:39 what I started to learn about, right because all of a sudden I started

2:02:42 getting this information. So that's where my mind went. I started like kind

2:02:45 of getting very fucking angry, and you know, I'm like, this is

2:02:51 fucking bullshit, Like, are you kidding me? This is disgusting. Yeah,

2:02:56 you're you're using these kind of assets to literally perpetrate some of the fucking

2:03:01 most hanteous crimes on this planet, such as selling people off and harvesting them

2:03:06 and doing the you know, you think about adrenochrome and all that stuff too.

2:03:10 So you know, my heart sunk and I read it, and he

2:03:15 can see like he kind of teared up too, But I was like I

2:03:19 was going because I'm like, this is unbelievable, and it's still fucking stuffs

2:03:24 to talk about because it's just part of it. Still people, Man,

2:03:29 it's people. I don't have kids, but actually I could imagine if I

2:03:33 had children, how I would I would probably be more emotional about it.

2:03:39 And because there are people who are missing their loved ones from stuff like this

2:03:42 and it's it's heinous. I couldn't imagine doing something like that. I couldn't

2:03:46 imagine, dude, damn. So if what you're saying, I mean,

2:03:53 if all this is accurate, then what we're looking at here is a a

2:04:01 whatever kind of organization right, using the guys in the cover of a natural

2:04:12 disaster with technology far more advanced than what's even remotely possible in our wildest dreams,

2:04:26 and they're using it to collect people. Where are they bringing these people?

2:04:33 Well, okay, so people have to understand is that these particular people,

2:04:41 they are people that are not normal. They're not like you and I.

2:04:45 They are borderline psychic. And my hypothesis was that, you know,

2:04:49 because everybody asked, well, how do they find each other? How do

2:04:53 you know that a sionic person's a sionic person? My hypothesis is that maybe

2:04:57 they have a sonic person who does this, literally goes and filters people,

2:05:00 and they kind of have because they're kind of the same, that they know

2:05:03 how to identify each other, and they may have technologies that they used to

2:05:08 also figure out who's who. I mean, I don't know, but I

2:05:12 will tell you that these people are part of a program. And the screening

2:05:15 program itself is called psionic predisposition or psionic predisposition potential. All right, so

2:05:26 these people, now, well you guys have to understand is this black organization,

2:05:30 which this black organization they get their operators from special operations groups. I

2:05:36 know the screening process that they do for this. I'm not going to go

2:05:40 into it because I don't want it to be public because then they can try

2:05:42 to narrow down some of the good guys that are helping me with this,

2:05:45 and that's the last fucking thing I need. So yeah, we're not going

2:05:49 there. I will tell you that there is a part of this, this

2:05:53 screening process for operators that they test and see their abilities with psychopathic and sociopathic

2:06:00 personality and they fine tune that. And I don't know how they do this,

2:06:05 but they will basically turn people who are patriotic, hard working men who

2:06:11 served our country very good and turn them into fucking machines, and they pay

2:06:19 them a ship ton of money. They literally are above the law. They

2:06:24 can do whatever they want and there's nothing that stops them. They can do

2:06:28 whatever the hell they want. They they are very They're the strongest organization in

2:06:32 the world because they have technologies that can do circles around our most sophisticated advanced

2:06:40 technologies that we know as blue or gray programs, right and some black programs

2:06:45 for that matter, which black programs are ones that the Congress and Senate as

2:06:51 well as the President know of They don't know the details, but they know

2:06:55 that, Okay, X amount of dollars is going into this program, and

2:06:58 this is what it's for exactly. Deep black is where it doesn't exist.

2:07:02 There is no records of it. There is nothing. Literally they're going to

2:07:08 show you that. You know, Yeah, this is when we start going

2:07:13 paperless. Yeah, it's no record. They document it, but it's not

2:07:20 the way that you think. Now, I will say this, you know

2:07:25 this whole thing. I hear news commentators talk about, oh, well,

2:07:29 you know Russia and China can hack our nuclear armories. No they can't.

2:07:34 You don't know why. This may be top secret, but you know it's

2:07:39 it's been out there before. All their systems are manned by like a floppy

2:07:45 disk system since the seventies. And the reason why they keep it very archaic

2:07:48 is because if you have anything that transmits top side, they can hack it

2:07:51 with a signal, right like Wi Fi they can hack into they can hack

2:07:55 into anything like that. So if they keep something very archaic that can't be

2:07:59 hacked, well they're safer that way. They're not upgrading and trying to get

2:08:01 like keep up with the Jones as if you will, And so their systems

2:08:07 are manned that way. A lot of these installations are kind of the same

2:08:09 way too. There they have their own communications or race subterranean to where they

2:08:18 can't penetrate top side, so nobody on a CV radio or any military radio

2:08:22 or anything for the matter, can intercept the signals that are underneath the ground.

2:08:26 These these installations are not Yeah, they don't look anything that you think

2:08:31 they would look like. They look abandoned, They look like they are just

2:08:39 remnants of the past. Or there's other parts of military bases that if you

2:08:43 have a certain clearance or have a certain if you're read into something, then

2:08:46 you can go to a certain part of an installation and go underground. That's

2:08:50 another part of it too. So you know this, after getting that message,

2:08:56 they end up going back home. Obviously. Then all of a sudden,

2:08:58 I get, you know, invited on the Sean Ryan Show, which

2:09:01 you know, Sean Ryan's a badass dude. You know who I got that

2:09:05 gang. Yeah, that's why I got that picture in the background. My

2:09:09 wife got that for me for my birthday, so she blew it up,

2:09:11 and uh, you know, I Sean Ryan's a good guy. You know,

2:09:15 he's he's badass. And the other two guys are good too, you

2:09:18 know, in d C and Eric. So you know, so I didn't

2:09:24 think anything was going to come with this. I just thought, Okay,

2:09:26 it was gonna get my testimony out there and expect Sean Ryan to want to

2:09:31 pick me up on a show. I didn't expect any of this ship And

2:09:37 all of a sudden, out the blue, I wake up to a message

2:09:41 from Doctor Career and he says, Hey, an insider from from this organization

2:09:48 knows exactly what you saw. He wants to get in contact with you and

2:09:54 tell you about it, right, So he gave me his phone and I

2:10:05 I sat on it for a while because this guy is a part of the

2:10:09 organization that's literally just in two thousand and nine held us a gunpoint that you're

2:10:13 pissed at. Yeah, do you think I'm gonna try to go to the

2:10:18 horse's mouth and then you think I feel good about that? You think I'm

2:10:20 gonna want to voluntar? Yeah? Sure, here I'm over here. So

2:10:24 that's going through my head, and I was like, you know what,

2:10:28 if this guy's legitimately trying to help, then I want to be there for

2:10:33 that. So I left a paper trail to some important people of where I

2:10:37 was going, and you know, it was one of the things where I

2:10:43 kept having on the back in my mind like this is it. You know,

2:10:48 they could I'm going into their world, so to speak, in their

2:10:50 area. Right. I'm not going to say where I flew into. I'm

2:10:54 not going to say where you know we met up at. But they took

2:11:00 my safety very seriously and I was able. They picked me up front in

2:11:05 an armored vehicle, which was cool, and the fucking doorsway a lot.

2:11:09 But you know, you're used to writing the military humpies that are up armored

2:11:13 in another vehicle, so it really is a thing, but you know this,

2:11:16 this vehicle is cool. So ended up taking me to a meeting spot

2:11:24 and I met this gentleman who you know. He asked me if I was

2:11:31 hungry, so I was like, you know what, the subway sounds good.

2:11:33 So they went and got subway for everybody, but we didn't eat that

2:11:37 until after we ended up. We ended up talking first. So we go

2:11:45 into this room it's like a conference room table and he pulls in as is

2:11:52 like satchel. So he sits down and he has it and he pulls out

2:11:58 the thing that looks like a it's like a wand but it's like a silver

2:12:05 brick with like a loop on the top of it. And he turned it

2:12:11 on and he starts going like this with it, and he goes over his

2:12:16 extremities and everything like that, and he hands it to me. He says,

2:12:18 go ahead and do the same thing. Let's put it on all over

2:12:20 your body and bugs chips. So I have my phone in my pocket,

2:12:28 so literally everywhere else is silent, and it hits my phone and starts going

2:12:33 AWF really loud. I'm like, oh shit. So he says, what's

2:12:35 that. I said, it's my phone. He says, go ahead and

2:12:37 put it on airplane mode and set it over on the table and don't reach

2:12:39 for it. And so I do that, right, and so he hands

2:12:46 me. I hand it back to him, and then he proceeds to ask

2:12:52 me if I'm a nineteen eleven guy or am I a glock guy now?

2:12:56 Because I told you guys a little bit about my experience with a nineteen even

2:13:00 I was like no. So I was like, you know, I like

2:13:05 glocks. So he hands me a glock. He slides the slide to the

2:13:07 rear locks it open, it shows me it's clear, hands it to me,

2:13:13 hands me the magazine, and I put it in and he says,

2:13:16 good chamber of the round. So I chambered around and he gives me the

2:13:18 whole store. So I holstered it in. He says, keep it on

2:13:20 your hip. He says, none of us are armed. You're the one

2:13:24 one. It is, so kind OF's going on. I'm like, well,

2:13:31 you know, I mean, grant, I'm not fucking John Wick with

2:13:33 a pistol, all right, I'm not John Wick by any means, but

2:13:37 I think if I'm under the pressure, I can definitely. It's already chambered,

2:13:41 and they don't have an external safety mechanism like a nineteen eleven would,

2:13:45 so you just liwly pop it out and aim and shoot obviously, But so

2:13:48 so there give they made sure that you felt in power, correct because they

2:13:54 Yeah, these guys knew what I dealt with because they they heard what I

2:13:58 had to say. You know, So that then taking my safety and consideration

2:14:03 and and then arming me in the process, where I felt like a le

2:14:09 was was was refreshing. And so he starts telling me about you know,

2:14:16 we start kind of get to know each other personally building rapport, which is

2:14:22 good because I mean, that's how it should be done. I mean,

2:14:24 these guys are people at the end of the day, and it's I'm glad

2:14:26 that there's good people in this group, and there's and guys, there's more

2:14:30 good people in this organization that are bad. But unfortunately they have a lot

2:14:33 of bad that can still do a lot of damage. And you know,

2:14:37 so they got to be very safe with this. And so he starts,

2:14:43 we get to know each other personally, and then he says, I'm gonna

2:14:48 start talking about what you saw. I was like, okay. He explains

2:14:52 that these people obviously are taken from areas that are less resirable in the world

2:14:58 war torn areas, world countries. Bureau of inn In Affairs is another one,

2:15:03 and the reason why is because these Black Team operators in this organization are

2:15:09 not able to access this technology by themselves, at least reverse engineering it or

2:15:18 they can do it that way, but from extraterrestrial technology, they cannot interface

2:15:22 with it. So they need people that can. So imagine, if you

2:15:28 will, like the United States will go to foreign countries to find cheaper labor

2:15:33 sources right for manufacturing. This group does the same thing, but they bring

2:15:37 them to these installations. So the screening process which I've talked about THEWSP three

2:15:43 is literally for that to see if they have this ability or this predisposition genetically

2:15:48 to be able to access this technology and can I'm going to pause you there

2:15:54 because we know now people there's people go out there gonna ask I want the

2:16:03 evidence, I want the evidence. I want to know, dude. The

2:16:05 evidence is everywhere, guys. Gary Nolan is talking about this predisposition, this

2:16:13 this trait in some people that is different and allows them or may allow them

2:16:22 to be able to see things that others can't or or perceive what may be

2:16:33 unperceivable to most. Doctor John Macks has the research done there, there's there's

2:16:43 so we know the government is looked into consciousness and they've spent millions, if

2:16:48 not billions of dollars uh into remote viewing and other psyops uh uh nut siops

2:16:58 psychological based research, so trying to figure out what consciousness is, how to

2:17:07 use it, if it can be raised, etc. These are all things

2:17:11 that have either been declassified or you can read more into. The evidence is

2:17:16 all around us. He is simply filling in the gaps, correct I'm sorry

2:17:22 continue and I'm not a fan of this. By the way, I don't

2:17:26 advocate what this group's doing by any means. I think it's barbaric and I

2:17:31 think it's heinous. So these people, these P threes, that's what we

2:17:37 will refer to the mask. You know, they're provided for. They're not

2:17:41 taking against their will. They are literally screened and asked if they want to

2:17:45 participate because they're given the lifestyle that they normally would never have in that part

2:17:50 of the world. Clean water, reliable heating, air conditioning, food,

2:17:56 medical education, everything that somebody could want as a necessity. Organization provides for

2:18:01 them, which is weird. It's almost like Stockholm syndrome to an extent,

2:18:05 right, because you're taking care of the captors are taking care of these people,

2:18:09 and these people are willing because all of a sudden they see that they're

2:18:11 doing something for them, you know that they're they're able to participate in this.

2:18:16 And it's not like anyone, i mean, let's face it, the

2:18:22 third world countries that they come from. It's not like the people that would

2:18:28 be looking for them have the resources to make enough stink where anyone would even

2:18:35 pay attention. Well, it's kind of that way. But at the same

2:18:39 time, you know, I had this question too, why don't the janitors

2:18:46 or the facilities maintenance guys in these installations ever come forward and literally say,

2:18:50 hey, I work at this base, this is what they do there.

2:18:54 Well, they're a part of that group of people that you know, they

2:18:58 don't have the predisposition to an extent, but they still serve a purpose.

2:19:03 And that's what they're using for is Cook's facilities maintenance everything, So they're provided

2:19:07 for and care for too. They're not gonna and these people don't have any

2:19:09 Social Security numbers, they're not an American citizens. So you know, let's

2:19:15 just say, if there was somebody who's you know, in power that was

2:19:18 to deport everybody, then these guys would go back to where they were.

2:19:20 They go back to a Lester's Aubel point. So they're not going to give

2:19:22 up their livelihood just to tell a story and have it, you know,

2:19:28 have it. You know, hit a guardrail in the process of it,

2:19:33 because there's other people who are going to really fabricate as much evidence against them

2:19:37 to say otherwise, because that's also happens too. So you know, so

2:19:43 I understand and I'm glad that the least that they're taking care of. But

2:19:46 the other thing I'm not happy about is to achieve the levels of hitting the

2:19:54 level of consciousness, they need to make contact with extraterrestrials. They these guys

2:20:00 on a lot of uppers, a lot of serotonin, and an antocrine system.

2:20:05 The endocrint system can only handle so much, and then it obviously starts

2:20:11 taxing. Yeah, you know, I've got a bio three degrees, so

2:20:13 that was something that I understood. Well, I mean, I also and

2:20:18 not to interject here, but I also know this, you know, being

2:20:24 now, I'm an alcoholic, but I was in programs with people who had

2:20:28 all kinds of addictions. And the people that are on the uppers, they

2:20:33 have it the worst because they go into these manic like after day three,

2:20:39 day four, like they it's literally they call it psychosis, like where you

2:20:46 literally just you don't know who you are, what you are. It's you're

2:20:52 just like in like this weird autopilot. So it sounds like they keep them

2:20:58 at that correct. You know, it's not necessarily that too. I mean,

2:21:01 but you know, the these I'm not going to get into details from

2:21:07 a specific person that I was briefed about who is a P three that's a

2:21:11 part of these programs. What they had expressed is that there's a lot of

2:21:16 missing time involved that they can't recount, but they know that they're they're chipped.

2:21:20 You know, they have a chip in their in their body, in

2:21:22 their back, and it's actually two purposes. One it's hard to reach,

2:21:26 and two it points up to the sky, so satellites or any technologies that

2:21:31 are being in their locations, some of them have uh which everybody in this

2:21:33 program's chipped, even the operators are all chipped. So just so everybody understands

2:21:39 that some of them, Oh everybody correct, some of these guys are not.

2:21:46 Some of these operators are not okay, but they were at one point.

2:21:50 So, but I'm not going to go into detail about their situation,

2:21:56 but that they have two different versions. They have a version that registers biological

2:22:01 data, which tells them everything about your body, vital signs, everything.

2:22:05 Then they have another version which just specifically does location. So these people are

2:22:15 basically like cattle. They're like livestock that are chipped, and that's how they

2:22:20 see them. They call them pink assets because that's what they refer to as

2:22:22 biological equipment. So these these people then are drugged. They take them up

2:22:31 to a secured site in containers that I saw, by the way. That's

2:22:37 how this gentleman reached out, because they used to move these containers around to

2:22:41 areas of the world and scoop up these people. So yes, this gentleman

2:22:46 I've talked to has been a part of that, and a lot of them

2:22:50 are. And they will take them to the site and they will have them

2:22:58 make contact with extraterrestrials and they literally appear and they don't you know, they

2:23:05 appear enough to where almost all of a sudden, they become like they build

2:23:09 rapport with these beings. Right, But this organization off in the distance has

2:23:13 their weapons systems ready to go. So it's not all the time that they

2:23:16 make they make contact that they shoot them down, but they this one installation

2:23:22 I went to, they literally shoot down e T craft two to three times

2:23:26 a year and recover it. I'm sorry, we're gonna have to. I

2:23:33 know you've told me it that. It kind of just hit me a little

2:23:37 bit harder here. Yeah, it's bullshit. It's these people are calling in

2:23:48 so so again. And this is in the report where I talk about it.

2:23:50 So you you you explained it really well. So A by A controlling

2:23:58 B and by B controlling C. Therefore a control C. It's a.

2:24:03 So they're using these people as a bypass, and they're having them use protocols.

2:24:09 Let's just say that their protocol similar. Diana Walsh Pasoka has talked about

2:24:16 her her Space Force, a guy who's got a bunch of patents. Uh,

2:24:20 this guy Tyler, who does all these protocols right, and uh,

2:24:26 it seems that in the Space program there are people who have been doing this

2:24:31 for years. Uh. The symbologies there as well. And that's just a

2:24:37 side thing. That's like again the evidence. But they're calling in these crafts

2:24:41 with some sort of protocols and then let me, I'm gonna interdact you real

2:24:46 quick. This is also going to blow your mind. Where do you guys

2:24:48 think praying ultimately came from? Oh? God, just think about that.

2:24:56 So this goes back a long time. This is where a rich or of

2:25:00 communicating with a supreme being. Hence, these ets are very supreme to us.

2:25:03 We're just humans and these are so you know, they they these operators

2:25:13 obviously are dumb enough to not you know, they can't communicate. All they

2:25:18 know how to do is destroy. And you know, these these P three

2:25:20 assets also help revernge engineer because they understand the technologies. They can interface with

2:25:26 it. They can plug and play if you will. They have a machine

2:25:28 that hooks to them. Now, the machine that these operators used to hook

2:25:31 to the psionic person at the time when this was going on, as far

2:25:39 as the imperfect systems that they were utilizing to do this, the best case

2:25:45 scenario would happen is that this P three asset would go into a coma.

2:25:48 Worst cases, they would die. Now they have obviously up the game with

2:25:54 this because obviously going to other places in the world and scooping people up costs

2:26:00 a lot of money. It also exposes you because you get spotted by you

2:26:03 know, five dumb or six dumb marines by the way, yeah right,

2:26:09 just some reference and it costs a lot of time to do that. So

2:26:15 they perfected the system enough to where one they are trying to accommodate the P

2:26:22 three is more often with keeping them alive, which is great, still frustrates

2:26:26 and angers the shit out of me because these are just innocent people that literally

2:26:30 had no idea what they're getting into, and then all of a sudden they're

2:26:33 doing this. They're literally you know, and these guys are being misled,

2:26:35 they're being lied to. So I have no you know, I have sympathy

2:26:39 for the P three assets and these people that are trapped. Yeah, I

2:26:43 sympathy for these barbaric assholes who think that this is okay Morally, They have

2:26:50 lost that literally punish people for murdering another human. They have no loss to

2:26:56 sit there and punish people for murdering ets, which I mean, they're otter

2:27:00 versions of us. And in a way, when we're gonna do are there

2:27:05 there? There are there? There are so many implications not only are you

2:27:09 calling craft, so if what and we know, like you know C five

2:27:15 artocols, Uh, lots of people have success with this. It's not I

2:27:18 mean, this is not and and I mean there's a lot more evidence coming

2:27:22 out to suggest this. I know people who can do this, and and

2:27:28 you know they've they've sent me pictures of stuff that they've they've done C fives

2:27:31 with and you know they're credible people. I'll just say, yeah, and

2:27:35 you know, what if what if? What if these dumb operators trigger now

2:27:46 I mean, I hate to go worst case scenario, but what if they

2:27:50 piss off the wrong Yeah, it's wrong civilization. On the other end of

2:27:56 that, are you talking about them? It's not for civilization which essentially punishes

2:28:01 all of mankind by destroying us when it's a small group of people doing it,

2:28:05 and not all the rest of mankind who doesn't even have any knowledge of

2:28:11 its existence that is doing this. Yeah, we all, we all have

2:28:13 to pay the price because of these greedy ask people. Yes, that's how,

2:28:18 that's how. That's the reality of it, you know. So it's

2:28:24 I've never met ets. Okay, I've never seen an et. I can't

2:28:30 tell you anything about a et. But what I will tell you is that

2:28:35 I'm pretty sure we have never came across all of them. So if we

2:28:39 happen to come across a species that's not a fan of us and may have

2:28:43 the capability, which all of them have, the capability to destroy us with

2:28:46 the brink of a thought. But what's to stop this particular race to say,

2:28:50 you know what, you guys attacked me, then I'm going to end

2:28:54 you. I don't I'm them fulfiling that way. But guess what, I

2:28:56 don't want to pay for these guys' mistakes because they want to do this,

2:29:01 you know. So, And the good thing is is at least to these

2:29:03 guys, and the good guys in this group know that it's wrong and they

2:29:07 were misused, they were like to and they're paid a lot of money,

2:29:11 you know. So it's one of those things that yes, I understand in

2:29:15 their hearts that this is wrong. I understand that they have a lifestyle that

2:29:18 they you know, these these operators, at least these good guys that I've

2:29:22 talked to on a regular basis that I share me information that you know.

2:29:26 As far as the P three aspect, I will get to meet. It

2:29:31 was supposed to be late last year was when I was supposed to meet up

2:29:35 with one of them, with a group of us and watch this go down

2:29:39 and record it, by the way, with iPhones with night scopes attacking them.

2:29:43 Because iPhones you can detect if data has been manipulated by CGI or anything

2:29:48 that basically would try to falsify a video to say that it's legitimate. Right,

2:29:52 So this phone is a very great that's what they're going to use.

2:29:58 So when it gets nice out, So what you're saying is evidence is going

2:30:05 to come out of this now. The thing that that that bothers me about

2:30:09 it because CGI is I mean, CGI and AI are are amazing. I

2:30:15 mean, what people can do with these these days is just mind blowing.

2:30:18 What my fear with this because this should have been released a long time ago

2:30:24 in my opinion, because who's to say that people are going to criticize it?

2:30:26 And you know, this is actual proof of P three in action summoning

2:30:31 craft. But then all of a sudden you have AI that can do the

2:30:35 same thing. So did you see that? Did you see that thing they

2:30:39 just launched? No, I didn't open AI just launched. It's a video.

2:30:46 It's video now. And they they put up this video of like dogs

2:30:52 playing in the snow, and it was I mean, Mike, you can't

2:30:56 tell the difference, right, that's scary, And I am I'm afraid that

2:31:01 this is going to be a little too little, too late. Correct.

2:31:05 And that's what I was saying to these guys too, because the only way

2:31:07 that we could really avoid it that kind of skepticism is to literally have a

2:31:13 scientist on camera analyze our data, right and provide to the people on camera,

2:31:20 like showing how everything works. With this that is in fact a real

2:31:24 video and not CGI, not AI, nothing, you know, So that

2:31:30 way it can provide for some proof. But you know, I agree with

2:31:33 people, I think your credibility enough, I think. And that's where and

2:31:39 that's what pisses me off is I think you should be the credibility. I

2:31:46 think if we can put someone in jail or eyewitness testimony in this day and

2:31:52 age that you or anyone else that could say this is the real video,

2:32:01 and then after it you know, gets over it gets seen by you know,

2:32:05 the analysts and is determined to be real. There we go like why

2:32:09 do we need this? Why do we need to go further than that this

2:32:13 for this could possibly force the hand? It could And that's why, you

2:32:18 know, this whole movement is like playing four dimensional chess. It's very hard,

2:32:24 you know. So it's one of those things that you know, you

2:32:28 have to kind of think about the negative in order to have a plan and

2:32:31 reinforce the positive so that way it can come out in a way that would

2:32:35 be beneficial and not something that can be completely discredited. Now, the thing

2:32:39 that we also have to take a consideration is this organization if they have to

2:32:43 ask us to do so, and they've done this all the time. Is

2:32:46 they can fabricate evidence against you. They've done this throughout history. I know

2:32:50 if some murders that these guys are responsible for, that they fabricated evidence to

2:32:54 basically hide their involvement. And I'm talking about key people. I'm talking about

2:33:00 prominant people. I'm talking about certain people even in d C. So this

2:33:05 group, like I said, if that's the point where this happens, they

2:33:07 can do whatever they want. It's like I said, it's four dimensional chess.

2:33:11 So essentially, you know, but everybody has to and you know,

2:33:16 I admit this one hundred percent. Disclosure is not about testimony. Disclosure is

2:33:24 about evidence. My story in itself is not evidence my findings in itself because

2:33:31 I can't physically show it because I don't want to. I could show people

2:33:35 certain things that could lead them to things of finding the truth, but I

2:33:39 can't sit there and do that because then I put these people at risk.

2:33:43 But disclosure is one hundred percent about evidence, and that's what makes it difficult

2:33:48 to do. And I understand the hill that I have to climb to do

2:33:52 this, But disclosure is one hundred percent about evidence. It's not about necessarily

2:33:56 truth, you know, and everybody you know, like the way that they

2:34:01 do advertise me for my businesses or whatnot. People buy with their eyes,

2:34:05 Okay, people are the same way when it comes to evidence and having to

2:34:09 see things to believe it. Now, I will tell you, in an

2:34:11 aspect of getting rich, you need to believe it first and then you'll see

2:34:16 it, instead of trying to see it first and then you'll believe it.

2:34:18 It's the same concept. You need to learn how to wire your brain in

2:34:22 that capacity, because I promise you this world will open up to you.

2:34:26 You know, you have to believe it first and then you'll see it,

2:34:28 you know. So me, I don't like being in the position I amant

2:34:33 where I have to take people's words and that there's things that I've seen that

2:34:37 I can't talk about unfortunately. But there will be a point here soon where

2:34:41 I can talk about certain things freely and may be able to provide the evidence

2:34:46 if the time is right, If things certain precautions are put in position that

2:34:54 would allow me to do so. On the behalf of these guys, because

2:34:56 I'm the I'm literally the face for this organization at least these good guys,

2:35:01 right right the face of the bad part, very concern fuck them as far

2:35:09 concerned because what they're doing is it's just it's heinous, it's just it's completely

2:35:13 issues. Sarah does bring up a good point though, and she says,

2:35:20 wouldn't they be watching right now or watching what you're doing? They are?

2:35:24 There are one hundred percent this Like I said, this is four dimensional chess.

2:35:28 I've got things in position that are keeping me safe. They're keeping me

2:35:33 to do this now. I can't guarantee you that I'm going to be alive

2:35:37 tomorrow or the next day, but I will promise you that I will do

2:35:39 this one day at a time. That's all I can guarantee. I'm not

2:35:45 rulling it, guys, I'm not ruling it out. And it sucks to

2:35:48 be in this fucking position. It really does. It really one percent does.

2:35:52 And that's why I tell a lot of interviews I've done. That's why

2:35:54 I said, if I if I end up dead, I didn't kill myself.

2:35:58 I'm mentally I like life is great right now as far as business and

2:36:01 everything like that. Like like I'm in a really hard sound mind, what

2:36:07 I mean, So if something happens, it's not by my own doing.

2:36:11 I'm just gonna say that, so it's not off the table by any means.

2:36:13 And it sucks to say that. I know, like my I've told

2:36:18 my dad that before and obviously he doesn't like hearing that, but especially with

2:36:20 my wife. But that's just reality it is. So maybe maybe you can't

2:36:28 wait. I can't wait for the day that you know because I I know

2:36:33 that again, your your background, those that help you you will help them.

2:36:41 So when you have that evidence, I know that you'll be back and

2:36:45 you'll be willing to share it. Well, well, I will be willing

2:36:48 to share it when they tell me that the time is working to do that

2:36:52 and the reason and the reason being is because there will be things in place

2:36:54 to help me do that. Yes, there's things that have to happen before,

2:37:00 which I know very well what they have to do. I'm not going

2:37:01 to speak about it publicly. I know a lot more than what I can

2:37:07 say. Unfortunately, I know. It's one of those moments, right.

2:37:11 I hate it when you know, like you know, for example, if

2:37:16 other whistleblowers are talking like man, come on, just fucking say it.

2:37:18 But then you're like, oh, wait, okay, I'm in the same

2:37:22 shoes. So yeah, I understand. So I'm like, okay, I

2:37:26 got to kind of combat. I want to get your your your take on

2:37:31 something, because if Grush is talking about a packed or an agreement that has

2:37:43 been made with some non human intelligence and by all means you think he's a

2:37:52 credible guy, what he's talking about, fact, he's credible. And like

2:37:56 I said, there's things I know that him and I have discussed that I'm

2:37:58 not going to go into that is but yeah, he's one hundred percent legit

2:38:03 guys, and it's scary. Well how does that play in? So I'm

2:38:09 going to tell you something and I'm not afraid to say this. I don't

2:38:13 know. I wasn't there when I'm actually happy he said that. I don't.

2:38:18 Well, I don't because it's the truth. I don't know. You

2:38:20 know. The kind it's not really frustrating. People need to understand is that

2:38:24 I don't have the question. I don't have the answers for everything in this

2:38:28 UFO world. The only thing I'm the only thing I'm an expert in is

2:38:33 the situation I was in, and then even the information I'm being provided,

2:38:39 I'm not an expert in that. Because that's something that I cannot publicly share

2:38:43 fully one hundred percent until I can provide the evidence to support that. And

2:38:48 even then I'm not in the program. I don't have access to it at

2:38:52 any point that I wish to go do things and see for myself. It's

2:38:54 only on these guys terms, and it's only when things are safe enough to

2:38:58 do so. So I'm only an expert when it comes to my testimony,

2:39:03 and that's it. I don't know what happened in nineteen thirty three or nineteen

2:39:07 forty seven or before. I can tell you what I've heard, okay,

2:39:13 And what I have heard is through other sources about that agreement that yes,

2:39:18 in fact, it was legit. And as a matter of fact, I

2:39:22 heard where the meeting spot of that happened, and it's in somewhere in the

2:39:26 area near to where this installation was just so you know, within about one

2:39:33 thousand miles. Okay, I'm just gonna you know, I'm just gonna say

2:39:39 that. But you know, but if these people that I know that are

2:39:45 credible or saying that that's legitimate, and these same sources confirmed to me about

2:39:50 Jonathan Wagan's event that he was in in nineteen ninety seven with that crash retrieval

2:39:56 on Peru was one hundred percent legit. And I told I talked to Jonathan

2:40:01 on a regular basis, guys, he's uh, he is somebody that he

2:40:07 went to Hell. He got arrows even from the same uh as the Marine

2:40:11 Corps, you know, from other marines or trashing him to And the fact

2:40:16 is is, you know, even his guys won't even come back them up.

2:40:20 And I understand that. I understand why. I mean, I know

2:40:22 what my guys won't either. I get it. I I one hundred percent

2:40:26 understand, and I'm hated for it. And unfortunately, that's just how it

2:40:28 is. And I've got to play my cards as do. That's the that's

2:40:31 what I get to endure by making the decision I made. But I was

2:40:37 trying to ask Ruth the truth come out, and it did. I was

2:40:41 going to ask that, and I know that I know the answer. Unfortunately,

2:40:46 because we've already talked about it for the audience. What are the chances

2:40:54 one of your marines has a change of heart. They got too much to

2:41:00 lose. They got kids, they got families, they got careers. They

2:41:05 may they if they're on their deathbed and they may say that it was it

2:41:07 was legitimate. That might be the only part, but until then, I

2:41:11 don't My personal opinion is I don't think they will. If that was the

2:41:15 case, I think that I could have gotten a couple of them because I

2:41:18 talked to I talked to two of them. I used to anyway, almost

2:41:20 every day, and after I came forward, that was one. Basically,

2:41:26 it seems like, yeah, they were mad. They told me they were

2:41:31 pissed off, and I don't blame there's other people trying to find out who

2:41:35 they are. I'm not giving their names up because I'm not. I'm not.

2:41:39 No, I'm not going to have them go through the same ship that

2:41:41 I'm going through. No, if I was you you know. So here's

2:41:46 the thing, you know, I understand why people don't come forward. I

2:41:50 get it. And you know what, if you're in a position where you

2:41:52 got information and you think that you want to come forward, I'm going to

2:41:56 tell you come forward on the back end, but don't go public unless it's

2:42:00 something that needs to really, really really be public, because you're going to

2:42:03 face how like we all have. It's not fun. It's not a fun

2:42:07 place to be. It is really not an enjoyable place to be. And

2:42:11 that's why I don't talk about my my my main business, because I don't

2:42:16 want people call out my locations and trying to figure out where I'm at,

2:42:18 try to get interviews, or try to harass my staff, or try to

2:42:22 show up into my locations trying to talk to me, or you know,

2:42:26 most of my employees don't even know what I'm doing, right, and I

2:42:30 don't, you know, I don't you know, they can believe in know

2:42:31 what they want. But at the same time, business is business, and

2:42:35 that's how I see it. That's what's going to stay there. I don't

2:42:37 want this getting rough in touch with my business. Yes, this is for

2:42:41 it, so you know, but I understand one hundred percent why they don't

2:42:45 want to come forward, and they shouldn't. They really shouldn't until there was

2:42:48 some safety in place, real safety, I mean where their careers aren't going

2:42:52 to be tarnished, or where their families are not going to be harmed.

2:42:54 I don't have kids. I don't know wife that I care for obviously,

2:42:58 you know Dad, my immediate family and that respect, yes I do,

2:43:01 but you know, when it comes to kids, that's a little bit different,

2:43:05 right, Yeah, as a parent, you it makes sense why.

2:43:15 I guess if I had children, I probably wouldn't have not came forward.

2:43:18 Just so you're aware, I wouldn't have not ever come forward if I had

2:43:22 kids. Yeah, and it makes sense. You protect them at aal costs,

2:43:26 at all costs. That's your job as a parent is to protect them

2:43:30 at all costs. And you are I mean, I do you know in

2:43:35 our conversations, man, you know, I worry about your safety and I

2:43:39 don't want to say that to like, you know, scare you or anything,

2:43:43 But then I worry about the safety of David Grush as well, right,

2:43:46 the same reason. But you guys have you know, made yourself public

2:43:52 enough where if something happened there there'd be far too many questions. And that's

2:43:56 exactly me. Yeah, I want to make us into a martyr essentially over

2:44:01 this, which is the other thing. And I would. I would,

2:44:05 literally I wouldn't stop until I figured it out. There's a lot of people,

2:44:13 even in the government that are in the same boat. So trust you.

2:44:16 Oh yeah, Okay, I'm not going to go into detail. I'm

2:44:20 not going to unravel the plan so to speak, but you know, I

2:44:22 do have contingencies I got some good people looking out for me. I've got

2:44:26 measures on my own that you know, probably spend a little bit too much

2:44:28 money on. But you know, my safety is important for myself. You

2:44:33 know, I have a business to run if employees that rely on me,

2:44:37 and that's my focus, and that's what I strive to do every day.

2:44:41 You know, I work for them, I work for my customers, and

2:44:45 that's the only reason why I'm successful, so you know. So you know,

2:44:50 these operators also have children, by the way, too, and that

2:44:54 puts them in a tough spot because these siccos would kill their own. Some

2:45:00 of these insiders had told me flat out that they could literally lie on the

2:45:03 ground bleeding there and that these other guys would just step over their corpse as

2:45:07 they're bleeding out, not render it or nothing. You know. So it's

2:45:11 one of those things that it's disheartening to hear that. But what I'm hearing

2:45:16 more and when I'm tracking more, is the fact that there's a lot more

2:45:18 good people in this group. So ultimately what needs to happen is that they

2:45:24 need to flip the script and Frank, you need to do it soon now,

2:45:28 mind you you know, they're doing their own method of disclosure to an

2:45:31 extent, which is safer because they are first hand with the stuff. Like

2:45:37 the installation I went to, they could literally blow this whole thing open if

2:45:41 you were to take a group of people there and every Yeah, all the

2:45:46 doors were unlocked and you know, at free roam of that base, for

2:45:50 example. Yeah, everything that people think is at a base like that is

2:45:54 there. And they could if you get Congress or even you know, congress

2:45:58 Member Check to go in there and he was to see that, and he'd

2:46:03 be like, yeah, okay, okay, now that makes sense, and

2:46:05 they would see everything. And trust me, you guys, we are working

2:46:09 on it. We were not not that level yet, not getting him in

2:46:13 these areas because that's suicide. Because but that's the road that disclosure has to

2:46:20 take, is what you said, is these guys need to flip the script.

2:46:26 They need to basically because you don't want to call it committing treason because

2:46:35 it's not. The trees is the treason. His act is the one that's

2:46:41 being done, the stealing your guys' tax payer money. Yeah, literally exactly.

2:46:46 And and again they are attacking, attacking, and and they are they

2:46:56 are calling beings from the sky who could help us, who could teach us,

2:47:03 and instead they shoot them down and they retrieve their asset, right their

2:47:13 toy at the end of the day that they can tinker with and try to

2:47:18 steal the technology. So instead of asking nicely, it's the human way,

2:47:24 it's the forceful. Well it is, it's no different. This is how

2:47:28 I see it. It's like me driving one of my cars because I have

2:47:31 nice cars. That's my thing. I'm a gearhead. That's honestly why I

2:47:33 like business is because I can buy cars, you know what I mean,

2:47:37 and I go through I literally only hold on to a car for about a

2:47:39 year before I sell it and try to flip it. But these ones that

2:47:43 I got, now, I don't think I'm gonna do that because nobody else

2:47:45 has at least a couple of them. So I just like having stuff that's

2:47:48 very unique. So it'd be no different from me driving into a poor part

2:47:52 of town and somebody sticking a glock in my head and pulling the trigger and

2:47:56 taking my car. That's really how I see it, because it's literally what

2:48:00 it is. All the only differences is you're using somebody else to flag that

2:48:03 person down, such as okay, go ahead, and stand in front of

2:48:05 that car so they can stop, and then I'm going to come from the

2:48:09 side and shoot them and then pull them out of the car and We're going

2:48:11 to go for a drawing ride. That's literally how I see the same operation.

2:48:16 So I don't see it any different. So you know the problem with

2:48:20 this though, too, is I don't I don't get into much of the

2:48:22 drama with this community, with with the UFO community or any other community for

2:48:26 that matter. Frankly, the UFO community hates me because I don't talk about

2:48:31 being an alien contact you or an abductee and talking about the ETS and all

2:48:35 that kind of stuff, you know, So I don't care what they think.

2:48:37 Yeah, you don't really get into Like the I reached out to move

2:48:43 on, I got zero back because I don't want to listen to, you

2:48:46 know, somebody who can tell them this difference between ET craft and actual rehearse

2:48:50 engineer because I've seen one, you know, right. That's what I want

2:48:54 to talk to you about, is so you when you describe the craft you

2:48:58 described it is having this low Because I was gonna say, you know,

2:49:03 for people who are who who have seen UFOs, do you think that that

2:49:09 low electrical hum and the paneling and just the way it was shaped kind of

2:49:16 gave it away as human back engineered. Yeah, because it looked manufactured right,

2:49:22 And the ET craft that we often hear, they're usually like molds,

2:49:28 like everything is one right, So there's any indication that was manufacturer. Now,

2:49:35 some of these insiders who have done these crash retrievals from shooting these ones

2:49:39 down, that's what they talked about them looking like was completely seamless and they

2:49:45 just fall out the sky when they get hit with an e MP. Now,

2:49:48 the scary thing I will tell people that I found out was some of

2:49:52 these people that do these crash operations, when they do get to the craft,

2:49:58 sometimes they get zapped by the craft with a beam of some sort.

2:50:01 They can't see it, but sometimes it's fatal. Sometimes it just knocks them

2:50:07 on their ass. But that has happened. So if anybody they just take

2:50:11 the they're like, well, they don't even know what happens until that actually

2:50:16 happens, you know. So it's like a smart Now, So anybody says

2:50:20 that like, oh, well, ET's don't harm humans, what is that

2:50:26 that's a defensive measure? I would say, I don't blame them for being

2:50:30 defensive. I mean, ship, that's that's so, that was just you

2:50:33 just made me a brick falling out of the sky. I'm gonna protect myself,

2:50:39 correct, you know. So it's one of those things too, because

2:50:43 you know, there's other whistleblowers. I'm not gonna mention names, but there's

2:50:46 other people I know in this in the inside of these programs. I've talked

2:50:48 about that, and they've never talked before until that happens. So hearing their

2:50:52 testimonies and everything like that is like, Okay, now the commonality is set.

2:50:56 And if I'm hearing it from the people that are literally doing this in

2:51:00 and day out when they actually do these crash retrievals of these non human intelligence

2:51:05 and they're saying the same thing. And obviously what they're saying is true.

2:51:07 These guys are not bullshitters. That's not how they play. These guys want

2:51:11 this to come out. They want to do it safely, and that's why

2:51:15 they're kind of giving me an ivy drip of knowledge with this too slowly to

2:51:18 get me to basically understand what it is first and then put it out to

2:51:22 the public and kind of get people to understand it, so, you know,

2:51:28 I think it's heinous. I don't agree with it, but you know,

2:51:31 if they're going to defend themselves, are going to defend themselves, and

2:51:33 they have every right to do so. So, you know, but they've

2:51:35 talked about the craft being seamless. Do you think that that's what stops this

2:51:43 school in some way? Like? Do you think that's what stops a non

2:51:48 human intelligence initiating contact with us on a global scale? Okay, let me

2:51:54 ask you a question. If you're walking through a neighborhood and you were with

2:51:58 a group of your friends, and your group of your friends has got their

2:52:00 asses kicked really bad, you were able to get away, would you want

2:52:03 to go back to that neighborhood again? No, of course you do.

2:52:07 I blame them to feel the same way, No, right, I don't

2:52:11 think. You know, the problem is is that they know that we're not

2:52:16 all like that. That's why they're still around. That's why they make contact

2:52:22 with people who'd make contact with them in a good way, now, you

2:52:24 know. But you know the problem is is that everybody's like wanting this to

2:52:31 come out and come out so fast and so fast. I agree with that,

2:52:35 but what everybody's not thinking about is what to do when it does.

2:52:39 Who's going to manage the programs, who's going to manage the craft, who's

2:52:43 going to do all the protocols and everything like that. That that really these

2:52:46 other programs are doing, which are successfully doing it. So let's say if

2:52:50 you were to take it out of the hands of these guys and then all

2:52:52 of a sudden the government doesn't know how to do anything with it, then

2:52:54 it just sits there. There's no actual research being done. I doubt these

2:52:58 guys aren't going to top unless they're bribed to say, hey, you're not

2:53:01 going to be executed or you're going to go to prison, you know,

2:53:03 for treason or whatnot. But the instance with that, it's kind of concerning

2:53:13 because then you're like, okay, well, then does it go back to

2:53:15 these aerospace programs and then all of a sudden they start throwing money at politicians

2:53:18 again and then basically sweeping everything under the rug. This, Yeah, this

2:53:24 happened before, guys. This this happened in the forties with craft. The

2:53:28 government didn't know anything to do with it, so they put it to these

2:53:31 aerospace companies, and aerospace companies basically told them, hey, we can't craft

2:53:35 the code. We can't do anything, even though they did, and they

2:53:39 lied to the government, and the government's like, okay, we'll take your

2:53:41 work for it. Don't invest the reason why we have that problem. And

2:53:48 that's why, that is why the military industrial complex was birthed. And and

2:53:58 when Eisenhower was on his way out warned us that he by the time he

2:54:03 got there, had lost either it was in his terms or somewhere right before

2:54:11 it, that control had been lost, at least from the president's per the

2:54:18 president perspective. Let me explain how this happens. So in nineteen forty seven,

2:54:26 President Truman at the time, Now I'm going to play some numbers here

2:54:30 because I didn't know this until one of these insiders actually told me this.

2:54:35 So Harry Truman was a thirty third degree Mason. He was also a thirty

2:54:39 third president. Theodore Roosevelt was a thirty second degree and he was also the

2:54:43 thirty second president. Now I'm going to give you guys a hint. Anybody

2:54:48 who's kind of pushing a globalist agenda, such as Truman, such as any

2:54:54 president for that matter. You look at presidents who try to push the globalist

2:54:56 aspect of us having to be intervened in everything in the world. That's one

2:55:00 of the biggest indicators. Okay, So Truman signed an executive order basically allowing

2:55:07 the CIA and the Air Force and this Black Organization to be created. This

2:55:11 Black Organization was created solely for the purpose of crash retrievals, for researching and

2:55:18 engineering anything to do with these craft, even with the biologics. All right.

2:55:22 So they had that conventional government or blue team that would basically be you

2:55:28 know, the regular military we see including special operations, to just basically do

2:55:33 what they're going to do. They concentrate on their professions. They have this

2:55:37 black Organization which was created by an Air Force higher up, by the way,

2:55:46 So that should tell people that that intertwins. That's what everyone's always so

2:55:50 curious. Why is the Air Force so silent because they know, I mean,

2:55:54 not everybody. I mean, granted, that's like you know, I

2:55:58 know how that goes, you know, but the Air Force is the main

2:56:01 perpetator in this whole thing. Yeah, but not everybody in the Air Force

2:56:05 obviously. No. Yeah, and again I think most people do a folk

2:56:11 community know that, or at least I hope they know this. Like when

2:56:16 we talk about the CIA. Not everyone in the CIA is a bad dude,

2:56:22 bad guy. Most of them are just wanting their pension and to go

2:56:28 home at night. That's true, That's one hundred percent truth. And that's

2:56:31 why it's a compartmentalization, all right, because it's only on a basis of

2:56:37 who they can trust and who can be read into it and who can honestly

2:56:41 either go with the deception. And that's really what it boils down to.

2:56:45 If you literally can go against the constitution of the United States of America,

2:56:48 then you have a job on this organization's team. That's literally how they operate.

2:56:52 If you're for killing innocent people, silencing people, using threats, intimidation,

2:56:56 you're fine with all that kind of stuff, then you have a spot.

2:57:00 But you have to go through the ranks, and you have to go

2:57:01 through the screening processes, and you have to join the military. So you

2:57:05 have to be a psychopath. Yeah, you have to be a fool fledge

2:57:07 psychopath. Man, you have to be a stistic correct psychopath. So since

2:57:15 that was created, basically you had what was called changing in the guard.

2:57:20 Obviously everybody knows that, you know, you have certain terms within a presidency

2:57:24 or from somebody running for Congress or Senate right their time comes to an end.

2:57:30 And also because from the forties up until this point, a lot of

2:57:35 people who are aware of this group at that time have obviously passed on,

2:57:39 So the knowledge of this organization started dwindling down to nothing. But you you

2:57:43 know, so you had a president that knew about it, which was Clinton,

2:57:48 and he was waved off of it, but he knew for a fact

2:57:50 this black organization existed. So it's alarming because you have people that people think

2:57:58 is the most power person in the world to an extent, when it's really

2:58:03 reality, they're just a figurehead and political interests are the one that control their

2:58:07 their motives, you know. And this is the other and subtly thing I

2:58:13 found out about Congress and the Senate and a bunch of other people. They

2:58:16 have what's called a uniparty, and all they care about is seeing green.

2:58:20 All they care about is money. They don't care about doing anything right for

2:58:24 you and I as American citizens. They don't care about any of that.

2:58:28 They just like the quote unquote power, even though they don't have power.

2:58:31 It's just an illusion, is there. They have handlers, they have people

2:58:35 throwing the money. I mean, that's control right there. That's corruption and

2:58:39 a fact. Right. So when you see when you see when you see

2:58:43 these politicians trying to go and try to impeach people like a president. M

2:58:50 why do you never hear about it again? Because they don't have any power.

2:58:56 The power is the ones throwing the money out them controlling them. Two

2:59:00 has the fucking power. That's all this game is this, This whole thing

2:59:03 in DC's a dog and pony show to an extent. You got good people

2:59:07 who are trapped in the system, who literally went into wanting to do the

2:59:11 right thing, and now they're segmented into their own group. They're kicked out

2:59:13 of the party, so to speak. Right, so now they are these

2:59:16 little outlayers of politicians who want to do the right thing. But then you

2:59:20 have this big group of people who just care about money. That's really what

2:59:24 it is. So they're constantly fighting each other in that understanding. So I

2:59:28 get where congressmanber Check's coming from, you know, and among others. So

2:59:33 I mean it's no secret, like look at these people like Nancy Peluci and

2:59:37 Mitch McConnell. Who their salaries are, you know, I mean, they're

2:59:43 they're pretty hefty, but they're not. They're worth almost one thousand percent more

2:59:54 than their salary equates for. And that's because of insider trading and using you

3:00:01 know, the their positions of power to under bet against the system and for

3:00:07 this against companies. And you know it's it's it's criminal. Well it is.

3:00:13 But here's the here's the alarming people, or here's the alarming thing.

3:00:16 Why are people still voting for them? That's why? Why can't people use

3:00:24 their brains? Your vote does something I'm not confident about nowadays. But if

3:00:28 that is really the case, and that still does fucking use your head actually

3:00:33 looking to who you're voting for. Who gives a shit if they say mean

3:00:37 tweets or or something stupid. Who cares? Everybody says stupid shit. I

3:00:41 say stupid shit all the time. That doesn't mean that, Okay, you

3:00:43 know, if they're actually for you and trying to help you, trying to

3:00:46 help us in this situation, then that's what. It shouldn't matter at the

3:00:50 end of the day, not what you feel. This person made me feel

3:00:54 upset, and there's a lot of people are gonna make you feel upset.

3:00:58 Does that mean you should stop I mean, you just stop using your brain.

3:01:01 No, it's not how it works. The problem is is now.

3:01:03 I mean the system in ered itself that way too. That's why there's so

3:01:07 much division in this country. You know. I saw my grandfather to day

3:01:11 and the way that he was talking about his military experience and how everything that

3:01:15 was just I mean, I grew up in the wrong time. I wish

3:01:20 I could during his time. I feel like some days I was born a

3:01:22 few thousand years too late. Yeah, I don't, I don't think that,

3:01:28 but you know, it's one of those things that it's like, I've

3:01:30 never seen so much division on stuff, and it's stuff that doesn't even realistically

3:01:33 matter. It really doesn't matter. What you do with yourself is with yourself

3:01:39 by all means, you feel good doing it, and do it as long

3:01:41 as it's not harming anybody, you're not scamming people, and you know it

3:01:46 falls into something that's ethically right for yourself by all means, handle your life.

3:01:50 It's your life. It's not anything for me to say how you're to

3:01:54 run your life. I can only give you advice. I want everybody to

3:01:56 be successful. I want everybody to be rich. I want everybody to have

3:02:01 that luxury, because in my personal opinion, money's not the root of all

3:02:05 evil. It's the person that gets the money and you figure out what they

3:02:09 do with it. Yeah, so I would say, so, if you're

3:02:13 going to go into an aspect of looking at the money, you already have

3:02:20 desperate people that are known to be desperate. And most of the time,

3:02:24 people in Washington, d C. Are that trait. People in corporate positions,

3:02:28 for example, are in that trait all they see. I mean,

3:02:33 I'm in that trait too. But the difference is is I know, the

3:02:35 difference between morality and cour Yeah, you have morals, you know, moral

3:02:41 compass. I can ask. The reason why is because I would ask myself

3:02:46 and I very respect from my grandma who passed on a couple of years ago,

3:02:50 but often I asked myself the question is what would you think if I

3:02:54 was to do something? Or what would you know? What would my father

3:02:58 think? What would my wife? Actually? Yeah, you know, like

3:03:03 like that's the thing that that kind of gets me to kind of like question

3:03:07 if I should be doing something I shouldn't be doing and if it falls into

3:03:11 any kind of principle like that, then yeah, I'll do it. I'll

3:03:13 do something good with it. But if it's something along those lines, then

3:03:18 you know, I I wish more people had kind of that mindset, because

3:03:24 let's just say, and I've had the thought, I don't know how far

3:03:28 this would ever go, but I've had the thought where maybe I could get

3:03:31 in the politics, maybe i could run for Congress, but I know i'd

3:03:33 be up an impossible battle because I'd be fighting people who are corrupt to the

3:03:37 core, and I'd be trying to blow the lit off this issue too,

3:03:41 and I'd be trying to do things for veterans, I'd be trying to do

3:03:43 things for the American people. I'd be trying to do things basically what every

3:03:48 other politician would tell you to do, I would do. And it's hard.

3:03:50 It's hard to separate myself from that because then all of a sudden you

3:03:54 get looped into all, well, they said they're going to do this,

3:03:56 and they do this, they won't do that. You know, a lot

3:04:00 of these politicians are self funded too, which blows my mind a lot of

3:04:01 my business owners and entrepreneurs, and then they get the bugger getting more money,

3:04:05 and then all of a sudden they fall into that corrupt bubble. Yeah,

3:04:09 And honestly, it's it's it's like a vicious circle. It's it's and

3:04:15 it just keeps churning out. People often wonder why why are the only two

3:04:18 candidates or why are the people? Why are the why do we have the

3:04:24 choices that we have for president? It's either Biden or it's Trump. They

3:04:31 think that way, like, you know what I mean, why do you

3:04:35 think it's only these people that are that are that want this job right?

3:04:39 Because this it's it's it's not a lot of smart people want the job correct

3:04:48 because they know it's it's just not every president looks like the age twenty years

3:04:56 and they're four four years or eight years there they're basically they're NonStop. They

3:05:03 have to be. It takes a certain personality. That's why I think,

3:05:05 my personal opinion, Trump was good for that. But this country has run

3:05:09 off of a process like a business. And who would want you? I

3:05:15 mean if I would, so people get so some people get very awe struck

3:05:20 about Trump. The only thing I would pick his brain about his business,

3:05:24 because the guy knows business. That's that's his background. Well, I would

3:05:28 love to see what his mentality and his mindset and kind of like get into

3:05:31 the nitty gritty of that. I don't give a shit about politics, but

3:05:35 what I will say is that I was disappointed to hear that if you want

3:05:41 an endorsement from President Trump and you're a congressman or a senator, you know

3:05:43 how much you have to pay him about a million dollars to get an endorsement.

3:05:52 So does that need better than people he's slamming to say they're corrupt?

3:05:58 You guys are on the same boat. You guys are all trying like,

3:06:00 well, you got all this money then where you're trying to run for office.

3:06:03 I wouldn't I had billions of dollars, I wouldn't be a president.

3:06:05 No, I think I enjoying myself. That's exactly it. So you know

3:06:13 you got And this is what I've been paying attention to do, is is

3:06:16 like morals or like where people's mindsets are about stuff like that, and see

3:06:20 where they're coming from and see what they're actually going to do. And can

3:06:24 I say that he'd done a lot for the country in the past couple years,

3:06:26 Yeah, he has. But there's a lot of good things that a

3:06:31 lot of people do that are in positions of power that might not align with

3:06:35 our personal views, you know, and and right, I mean I don't.

3:06:41 I don't agree with Tim Burchett on many issues, but exactly even with

3:06:50 his version of disclosure, like the whole bill with that, I didn't agree

3:06:54 with it because it's just it's two pages. It's not really thorough. You

3:06:58 can't I mean even with Schumer's type of stuff. I mean, yeah,

3:07:01 his was more thorough. But they tried to base stuff something that existed,

3:07:05 and look how that went. Right. Are you talking about the Jeff Gay

3:07:11 preview? Correct? So you know why you're going to based off something that

3:07:15 failed. I mean, isn't that like trying to construct a bridge that you

3:07:18 know, taped in on itself killed a lot of people. But yeah,

3:07:20 we're going to design the same bridge and try to use the same bridge for

3:07:24 the same result. The definition insanity. So you have to think. I

3:07:28 think Eminent Domain was reaching way too far to start. You know what it

3:07:35 did, It was no gingius. Let me tell you why. Okay,

3:07:39 because it got my interest because it exposed the people that were against it,

3:07:43 and exposed whom with these programs, not nearly to an extent of like being

3:07:48 inside these programs, but who are being paid by these these contracting companies and

3:07:52 these groups, you know. So it told us exactly who's on what side

3:07:56 of the fence and correct and we already know now that who that is.

3:08:03 We already have a Plan B in place, and a Plant C and a

3:08:05 Plan D just in case, you know. So now we actually know because

3:08:09 for you know, everybody thought that this was just gonna be one and done

3:08:13 thing. Now that's not how this works. This is like tug war.

3:08:16 So now that we know what we're up against, we know who we're up

3:08:18 against. Now we're actually able to be surgical and actually do things that are

3:08:24 actually going to get the result that we need. So it was more of

3:08:28 a way to put uh you know, it's like playing poker or something.

3:08:33 You're putting your hand out there and seeing what, you know, who's got

3:08:37 the bigger hand. Essentially, that's kind of what it was. We saw

3:08:39 that they can't do a poker face because they have to react to obviously this

3:08:43 measure. So now that they don't have a poker face, we know exactly

3:08:48 what side of the fence they're on. So it was a great move and

3:08:50 guess what we found out, So if they we can build on it too.

3:08:54 We can't like you can, we can propose the thing every single year.

3:08:58 So everybody thinks that it was out of the works, and you know,

3:09:03 we have our tails between our leaks. No, it was strategy,

3:09:05 and it was meant for that reason. It wasn't actually such a good oh

3:09:09 look well yeah, because that's what really happened. It wasn't literally to try

3:09:13 to get disclosure to happen. It was trying to literally force the hand of

3:09:16 them to see what side of the fence and who was going to oppose it,

3:09:20 who wasn't. It was literally trying to see what door are we going

3:09:22 to go through with this right that disclosure is immin in. It's just which

3:09:26 way, which path are we taking? Correct And we're going to use the

3:09:30 government to do this or we're going to use other assets and it's going to

3:09:33 probably do both. It probably may go into other assets I can't talk about,

3:09:37 but needless to say, that was the whole point of that measurement.

3:09:39 Wasn't really to be successful with disclosure, guys. And as far as I'm

3:09:43 concerned, and everybody needs to understand, this disclosure already happened. It happened

3:09:46 a long time ago, but everybody's too dense to see that. Okay,

3:09:52 I need something physical proof, well, physical proofs all around us. But

3:09:56 if you're going home, you're going and working a job. Now. The

3:10:00 only reason why I know so much I do is because now I'm in this,

3:10:01 in this world. I'm now in this, in this in this uh

3:10:05 this fight, so to speak. That's the only reason why I know as

3:10:07 much as I do. But if I was going to work and it was

3:10:11 coming home, I was watching television, I wasn't doing anything on this degree,

3:10:13 I wasn't a whistleblower, then I wouldn't know anything. I wouldn't be

3:10:18 exposed to that. So you guys literally have to go do the research and

3:10:22 literally look for yourselves, because we're not going to sit there and hand it

3:10:24 to you. Guys. I don't know everything, so and I don't want

3:10:28 to. I don't want to tell everybody something that they might not be true,

3:10:31 right, you know, you know, And and so that's why I

3:10:35 go off of the people that really armed me with the information. I can

3:10:39 only go off of the experience I had in two thousand and nine. I

3:10:41 only can I can tell you exactly what happened obviously, which is what I've

3:10:45 been doing. That's what I'm an expert at. But I do not take

3:10:48 other people's word for it unless they can back it up in a sense and

3:10:52 when it connects the dots or when people can show me things. And that's

3:10:54 exactly what happens with these insiders. And that's why I said at the very

3:10:58 beginning, careful what you wish for, because it really really really flips your

3:11:01 world upside down. Especially I think I think you've said that to me.

3:11:05 I mean, even in our private talks, be careful what you wish for,

3:11:09 because you know, I mean, my truth is scarier than fiction.

3:11:16 Well, that's exactly it. And I hate the fact that like that I

3:11:20 have to be quiet about certain things I really do. And I think I

3:11:26 always I've said it in countless podcasts. I know that I always knew that

3:11:31 we I mean, so we're going to have and now i'd like to get

3:11:35 your take on this because of your views and how it's affected you, and

3:11:41 because this whole thing is is I mean, your smack dab in the middle

3:11:46 of exactly what what I'm talking about. We're going to have to meet the

3:11:52 government or whoever is behind this halfway to a degree, there's got to be

3:11:58 some any we can't go in. That's a given, and that's what was

3:12:05 something that was orchestrated. But the problem with that is the amnesty that they're

3:12:11 giving them is not necessarily enough. Now, what I will tell you some

3:12:15 of the insiders I've talked to and still talk to on a regular basis,

3:12:20 is that they got families to take care of. That's what their priority.

3:12:22 And unfortunately, it's not like they can just sit there and leave, leave

3:12:24 this organization and retire and be like, Okay, you know, I don't

3:12:28 have to talk about this. They're going to be surveilled, they're going to

3:12:31 be threatened, they're going to be watched. They're literally going to have a

3:12:35 rough time trying to live outside of this. And there's a reason why a

3:12:37 lot of these people are a lot older than I thought they were. They're

3:12:41 not my age, they're a lot older, you know. So it's one

3:12:45 of those things that it's like a gang that when you're in there, you're

3:12:48 in there for almost your life and you can't separate because you have that risk

3:12:52 of being compromised in that degree, and then all of a sudden, your

3:12:58 family's going to have to pay for, so I understand one hundred percent why

3:13:01 they choose not to, you know, but if you go to a point

3:13:05 where they're taken care of, let's say they get into some sort of witness

3:13:07 protection. Now, mind you, the assets that this group has is beyond

3:13:11 that. And that's why these people don't fall for the bait such as trying

3:13:15 to come forward and go through the provisions and everything like that, because it's

3:13:18 almost laughable. If you've got an organization that's more powerful, that has unlimited

3:13:22 assets, that can pull money anywhere, there's nothing that's going to stop them.

3:13:26 And again you said, I mean these these guys, this these we

3:13:33 talk about these dumb operators. But there's a reason that this program, uh

3:13:39 my Camra must have died. There's a there's a reason there. This program

3:13:46 still exists and it's still secret. They are good at what they fucking do,

3:13:50 and they have their hands in media Hollywood, like Michael said earlier,

3:13:56 they have their hands everywhere, and they know how to sow disinformation. Correct,

3:14:03 they're masters of that. They master the dark world, they master secrecy.

3:14:07 That's what they're very good at, and that's the that's exactly what they've

3:14:11 been experts in now when it comes to light like the truth, they have

3:14:16 a problem with that because obviously they master the dark. You know. Even

3:14:20 if you look at the Reconnaissance Office, which has a lot to do with

3:14:22 this stuff. By the way, they have a slogan that says we own

3:14:26 the night. Oh does that get correct? So, like early, it's

3:14:37 eeriely correct. And there's a lot of people in NRO that are good people,

3:14:41 you know, just like an organization, you know, but there's some

3:14:43 parts of it that intersect into this and create it to be a problem like

3:14:48 it is, you know. So yeah, it's it's so hopefully people listening

3:14:54 to this interview kind of get to know me more on a personal level and

3:14:58 understand that I'm just another per in this world. Guys, I'm not.

3:15:01 I don't think of myself anything special. I don't think I'm like this this

3:15:05 person who's going to blow it all or you know, save humanity. I

3:15:09 just think my part had a little bit to do and help connect the dots

3:15:13 to an extent, and now that I've got a position where I'm meant to

3:15:16 actually help and do this, that's all I'm trying to do. I don't

3:15:20 I'll talk to people. I'll talk to anybody, you know, because I

3:15:22 want people to learn. I want people to truth, you know, So

3:15:26 I don't you know, there's other people who try to take this and try

3:15:28 to say, oh, I'm too good for everybody, and you know,

3:15:31 I don't. I don't view myself as I think anybody in disclosure shouldn't have

3:15:35 that mentality because all of us, you know, the problem is is you

3:15:41 have certain people in this in this community, even among whistleblowers, who think

3:15:46 that you know, it's going to take them running the ball to the end

3:15:50 zone. It's taken all of us as a team of whistleblowers, as a

3:15:52 team of people on this disclosure. I'm talking about Danny she And I'm talking

3:15:56 about doctor grim I'm talking about Luel Zondo, David Grush. It's going to

3:16:03 take every single one of us to do this. And the only way we

3:16:05 can do this is obviously bypassing the government and showing public disclosure first and not

3:16:11 allowing the public to actually, excuse me, understand that, you know,

3:16:20 if we bypassed the government, and maybe humanity, not even just Americans,

3:16:28 but humanity can hold their public officials accountable for stuff they already know, and

3:16:33 wouldn't that be a surprise, you know, a something common to unite the

3:16:41 civilian world around. Right, it doesn't matter your race, creed, religion,

3:16:46 or background. It's something we're fighting for not only our origin story,

3:16:54 but we're fighting for a sequel. Right, who gave the rights to the

3:16:58 human of the of the human race to these people in power and that that

3:17:05 that wielded well and have dick measuring contents. Like you said earlier, it's

3:17:13 no, we need to take back what's ours well and that that's the only

3:17:16 way that this is going to happen. Everybody has to be on deck with

3:17:20 this. This can't just be us. It just can't be you know,

3:17:22 a couple of us trying to do this, but they've kept they've kept even

3:17:28 the UFO community factionalized. You talked about how it all needs to be us

3:17:33 running the ball into the end zone. You know, Luel Zondo and you

3:17:37 know, to his credit, the guy, you know great whatever, you

3:17:41 know, you get that background, got that background great. But him and

3:17:46 Career point the finger at each other all the time, calling each other charlatans

3:17:50 and it's like they both have the same lawyer. It's like, can't we

3:17:54 all get on the same team for once, like all the factionalism is what

3:17:58 keeps us well. That's exactly why I get frustrated with it, because here's

3:18:05 a problem. How are we any better than them if we're literally doing the

3:18:09 same shit. Now, I you know, I'm not going to cast shade

3:18:11 on doctor Greer or nothing. I think it's a great guy. He treats

3:18:13 me with nothing but respect. You know, he's nice to me. He's

3:18:18 literally a good guy to me. And that's all I can go off of.

3:18:22 Right. How he does his business. I know he does real estate,

3:18:24 he does other things that he gets his money and makes his livelihood.

3:18:28 Guys, he doesn't get it from doing these events. Now, I will

3:18:31 say that it helps fund what he's trying to do, because it takes a

3:18:35 lot of money to actually put things in the motion and to talk to people.

3:18:39 People just don't are not willing to talk to you all the time,

3:18:41 you know. And I can't say it's the same thing for us, But

3:18:43 I'm talking about the people that were associates with Yes, you know, so

3:18:48 you you have to buy people's time and that world. Yes, at that

3:18:52 level, yes, So, I mean that's what he does it's networking too.

3:18:56 But the issue is is I just don't know understand the drama. I

3:19:00 get that people pointed their fingers to each other, but it's like, why

3:19:05 if we're all trying to do the same thing here and we're trying to you

3:19:07 know, everybody's going to make a living. Everybody chooses to make a living

3:19:11 in a different way. I get that. So I just I just wish

3:19:16 that the animosity between everybody could just literally end itself and be like, Okay,

3:19:22 we're on the same plans. How about we just agree to disagree and

3:19:24 just move forward. That's what I wish that they could say, yeah,

3:19:30 agree to disagree, but let's move forward. Have conversations like adults. Uh.

3:19:35 That's why I've you know, I've had guys like Jeremy McGowan, Mike

3:19:39 West, I've had them on the show. We need to have conversations with

3:19:43 people we don't always agree with. I mean, it's what It's what allows

3:19:50 us to to move forward and challenge even you know, challenge our own belief

3:19:54 system. And you know, maybe we don't have it all right, We

3:19:58 don't, I know for that, we don't, So I mean, we

3:20:03 can barely figure out stuff to even have our economy run smooth and without corruption

3:20:07 everything like that. Who are we to say that we're experts and stuff like

3:20:11 this. Who's to say that we can't manage this appropriately? I don't think

3:20:15 we can't. I and it might be my skewed view to say that.

3:20:18 You know, I just see things that way that we need government. Yeah,

3:20:22 we need struggle, need that. But what I'm saying is is I

3:20:26 don't think that the ways that they're thinking it should be done should be done.

3:20:30 I think there's different measures that need to happen. I think full transparency

3:20:33 of it, because you're talking about your tax dollars, my you know,

3:20:41 like if you're an investor into the stock market, you have a right to

3:20:43 see where your funds are going. Right, you see what it does,

3:20:48 you see how it multiplier, you lose it. I think the same thing

3:20:52 should be like, Okay, well if you paid this much in tax as,

3:20:54 this is where your money's going. I think it should be transparent a

3:20:58 hundred percent because if you understand that you fund the government, you know,

3:21:03 I'm just going to lose me. I'm going to say this. There is

3:21:07 no law that requires you to file fucking filer taxes every year. Now is

3:21:13 a business owner, it's a lot different. Obviously, there's things that I

3:21:15 agree to a business that I can't use that right. But if you're knowingly

3:21:22 funding a terrorist organization, for example, you can get a lot of trouble

3:21:26 for that. Yes, So why is it okay for American citizens to have

3:21:31 their money stolen from them and used for other things instead of actually making our

3:21:35 country better and giving us better stuff? We were so focused Now I will

3:21:41 say that there's other politicians that have interests in other countries such as Ukraine,

3:21:46 that have oil companies out there, that are using taxpayers money to put security

3:21:52 measures out there and to keep their businesses of life so they can keep breaking

3:21:56 in millions of dollars a year. I will say that that's happened, you

3:22:00 know. So there's a lot agreed in this, and I will say the

3:22:07 best thing I can tell people is follow the money. Follow the money.

3:22:11 Trilling you always, but it's an actual truth and it needs to be done

3:22:16 and people need to realize that. Yes, if they're following the money,

3:22:20 they're going to find out everything that they need to. You're going to find

3:22:22 out who's corrupt, You're going to find out who's not. You're going to

3:22:26 find out what the intention of that is, you know, So I encourage

3:22:30 people to do research. That's yeah, And I'll give you a couple of

3:22:35 key, key places to look, right. So we're going to key places

3:22:39 to look you know, places like Lockheed Martin, right, places like Northrop

3:22:45 Grumman, these places that clearly have a vested interest in keeping this silence and

3:22:54 funding politicians in order to keep that circle silent. So yeah, follow the

3:23:01 money, follow the follow the funding, follow the follow it all and you

3:23:05 will find out, uh, some some some dark truth about our system.

3:23:11 And I think of our founding fathers. You bring up free masonry. I

3:23:15 think if they could see what the country turned into after what they designed it

3:23:22 to be was something that adapts to the time instead of stays stuck in its

3:23:30 ways, right right, I think they'd be rolling over right, and they

3:23:35 would. But you know, the interesting thing is I found out one of

3:23:39 these companies is actually trying to sell off their NH high assets to another company.

3:23:43 That's it's a shell game right now too. Well, I I can't

3:23:48 imagine here here was another thing that was brought up and this also couldn't I

3:23:52 mean let's just say you're guilty minded for saying this. And I'm talking about

3:23:56 these aerospace company. I'm not going to say the name of it, but

3:24:01 they had literally said, why is it any of the government's business of what

3:24:05 we have? Huh, you know what? And how can they take what

3:24:09 we have? Well, the problem, assholes, is you're using taxpayers money

3:24:15 to use that to literally engineer this stuff. That's what you're doing. You're

3:24:18 trying to say that something costs a couple of billion dollars when it doesn't,

3:24:22 and you're using the rest of money and literally ciphering it out of black budget.

3:24:26 I know that happens for a fact, because they told me in detail

3:24:28 how they do that. Yeah, so Burchette says it. You know,

3:24:33 you know, with the Pentagon hasn't passed an audit since the invention of the

3:24:37 Pentagon and audence. And it's like, you know, if you go deep

3:24:43 digging into it, you see they're charging one thousand dollars for a screw.

3:24:48 Yeah, you know, and you're like, wait a second, that doesn't

3:24:52 make sense. Yeah, that's exactly it. You know, so you look

3:24:56 at it in that sense, and you know, so for them to say

3:25:00 something like that it's like, Okay, you guys definitely hit the nail on

3:25:03 the head saying that you have the stuff. You're not just going to say

3:25:05 that. Nobody'd be like, okay, we're not going to say anything,

3:25:07 because that's the best thing is using your Fifth Amendment right so to speak.

3:25:11 Right, So for them to go for that measure and say, well,

3:25:15 why is it right, Well, guess what, you're using taxpayers money.

3:25:18 That's not where the government contracts. So that's why it's theirs, because you're

3:25:22 contracting for the government, that's what you're doing. You're not doing it for

3:25:28 your own accord now, and they're doing it for their ow courd now.

3:25:30 But they're doing it on the back end that the government doesn't know about.

3:25:31 And that's where we get into this whole mess that we're into. Right So

3:25:35 again, you know, because like people don't realize that the government doesn't actually

3:25:39 do anything like they do. It's a system. Though the government doesn't make

3:25:46 its own computers, the government doesn't make its own software. The government doesn't

3:25:52 do that. They put contracts out companies bid on them. And this is

3:25:58 the military and austrial complex. That's how it works. Right in the secret

3:26:03 world too. That's why Lockey's able to get read in on these deep block

3:26:09 programs and have the technology that they have. But to bring it to the

3:26:13 investor's perspective, does the investor have the right to know that they have these

3:26:18 secret assets if it's your taxpayer's money, I think you should exactly. I

3:26:24 think one hundred percent, because, like I said, it's your money that's

3:26:26 being taken from you, and if they're using it in illegal means, I

3:26:31 wouldn't. I mean, it's like finding out that you're donating twenty dollars a

3:26:35 month to have somebody execute it in a third example, and you had no

3:26:39 idea, no idea, and you're like, oh God, like I'm going

3:26:41 to keep from giving money to this because they tell me it's good, and

3:26:45 then all of a sudden you find out it's used for some Barbara. That

3:26:46 wouldn't make you feel good because then you feel like you're the cause when you're

3:26:50 not the cause. They're just using your money to do it, you know.

3:26:52 So the government in a sense is a middleman to hand money from people

3:26:56 to these companies to contract for them to build stuff that they need. Right,

3:27:01 But then you have greedy people that obviously put things in perspective for themselves

3:27:07 and they want you know, these these companies make money on their own behalf

3:27:11 to they do it all the time. They also have spinoff patents that they've

3:27:13 also put out too, and that's how they make a lot of money.

3:27:16 So everything kind of gets intertwined with that. So that's mainly the thing is

3:27:22 that, you know, the whole thing with this amnesty, which I was

3:27:26 agreeing to, was the fact that okay, it gives them a time frame

3:27:31 to actually relinquish things before it ends up going to Plan B. So Plan

3:27:35 B essentially would be the m in the domain. Now if they were to

3:27:39 go to an installation and say, okay, but we're here to take a

3:27:43 look at what you got, and all of a sudden we found the stuff

3:27:45 there, then all of a sudden, this company is barred from contracting ever

3:27:50 again. Right, they lose billions of dollars a year. Right. So,

3:27:56 And it doesn't matter if you change your name like Raytheon did. It

3:28:01 doesn't matter if you file under a different name and give ownership to somebody else,

3:28:05 because that's going to follow suit. Everything always leads to patterns. That's

3:28:09 what everything has to be recognized. Off of our patterns. Patterns are what

3:28:15 you know. This is why detectives are good at their job because they analyze

3:28:18 patterns of people. And if you're falling into a pattern of a suspect,

3:28:24 you murdered somebody in a similar way that thousands of other people have done it,

3:28:28 you're probably going to do the same thing they've done because you same thought

3:28:31 traits. You guys have the same personalities, whatever it is, so they're

3:28:33 able to be accurate with that. Now, if we did the same thing

3:28:37 with these programs or even these companies for the matter, and see what the

3:28:41 patterns that they do off that and analyze them very deep, then you're going

3:28:43 to see what they're going to be able to do. You're going to be

3:28:46 able to circumvent problems that may occur based off of that information. Interesting.

3:28:54 So again it's all about following the money it really is, and the contracts

3:28:58 and falling up on you know. So the government again, we're gonna have

3:29:05 there's gonna have to be a halfway point that that's met, and ultimately I

3:29:13 think we're going to see, like like you said, some mix of government

3:29:18 disclosure civilian disclosure. I think that is going to be the most likely end

3:29:26 goal or an endgame in scenario, I think the public needs to know first

3:29:31 because and like my just like I said, my thinking with this is if

3:29:35 the public knows about it first and everything's transparent, it allows us. Because

3:29:39 the founding fathers who were Freemasons, most of them anyway are most of them

3:29:43 were. I love about being a part of this organization is the history of

3:29:48 it, And you know, I feel like I get to share a part

3:29:50 of that history. To an extent. That's kind of one thing that I

3:29:54 like about it because I get to kind of be in the mix with that

3:29:56 kind of being somebody who's doing a revolution against the secrecy of this to an

3:30:01 extent. Right, it's just like they did a revolutionary war against the British

3:30:05 trying to occupy us, and we fought them off and basically said, hey,

3:30:09 we're our own country and we're going to have our own bylaws and laws

3:30:11 and our own beliefs, and everybody's going to be able to come here and

3:30:15 live the life as they should. You know. So having that kind of

3:30:20 mentality is like, Okay, now, I understand. So I think if

3:30:26 we get the people as it was intended to when the government was first established

3:30:30 and created that the people are the ones that basically oversee the government and we

3:30:35 hold them accountable. And somewhere along the lines that got out of hand.

3:30:39 I can't say exactly when. But then when you have the government as its

3:30:43 own military force, and then you have people who bought the government, certain

3:30:46 people anyway, and then they allow other things to happen, then guess what

3:30:50 that means? You lose control over it. So told us correct, lost

3:30:56 control, lost control. So we as a peace people, and I mean

3:31:00 as American citizens specifically with our government anyway, I think we need to be

3:31:03 the ones that actually have this first, because if people have it first,

3:31:07 they know it's true. And this is something that's blown out wide scale.

3:31:11 You don't have the government trying to circumvent everything and trying to dismiss or trying

3:31:15 to filter things to be said, because that's what they do. And guess

3:31:18 what that means. It means that, oh, okay, now all the

3:31:22 cards are laid out on the table, So how are you going to read

3:31:24 that? Then? How are you going to lie to cover it up?

3:31:26 Again? You can? It shows, it will show there, It will

3:31:31 force their their their hand and force their true colors to be shown again.

3:31:37 It's it's it's similar to the get you know, showing your enemy or unveiling

3:31:43 your enemies through that legislation in a kind of a weird way. But we

3:31:50 are, we're approaching the three and a half probably three and a half hour

3:31:54 mark, and uh, I hate to cut it off here. I know

3:32:00 we'll have plenty of more conversations. But or should for the time being?

3:32:09 Should should we be worried? Yes? And no. I think we should

3:32:16 be worried on the fact that the people we trust to put position to handle

3:32:22 this are not doing it. That's what we should be worried about, because,

3:32:28 like I said, I mean if if votes count as they say that

3:32:31 they do, and I'm not so confident that they do, because I know

3:32:33 what corporate interests do. I know that a lot of people like to lie,

3:32:37 cheat and they do it for money. M hm. We got to

3:32:41 be careful who we put in and we got to hold people accountable. And

3:32:45 you know I'm not you know, I've heard Career say this all the time,

3:32:48 that ge get a hold of your senators and congressmen and do all that.

3:32:52 They're not going to do anything. They got more important shit to do

3:32:56 in their world, you know, so this kind of gets through on the

3:33:00 back end. So I wouldn't say be worried. Be worried in that aspect.

3:33:01 I want to say in a negative sense, don't be worried, you

3:33:05 know. I always say, keep up the support and keep following people like

3:33:09 you know Tyler here, who you know. They're about getting the truth out

3:33:13 and putting understanding out to the public and getting some people to least kind of

3:33:16 connect the dots, you know, So follow people like him. That's yeah.

3:33:22 No, I really I really, really really really really appreciate that coming

3:33:28 from you. But should you be worried about this program? Like so,

3:33:35 if it's if it's continuing, I assume it's ongoing right now as we speak.

3:33:41 Let me let me put my mentality into it. I live right underneath

3:33:48 of an airport, at least close to one am. I gonna do you

3:33:52 think I go over every single day when I wake up or go to the

3:33:56 bathroom, whatever it is. Oh, I got to worry about a plane

3:33:58 falling out of sky, right, Okay, it's the same thing. If

3:34:01 it happens, it happens. There's nothing you can do about it, right,

3:34:05 I worried about it. Okay. What I will say is there are

3:34:09 some there's some stuff going on in the background that is being handled, and

3:34:13 it's being handled in a correct way. It's slow, unfortunately, but things

3:34:16 are in the works, and that's all I can say. And until I'm

3:34:20 clear to talk about the remainder of it. And I really want to because

3:34:24 I have a problem with bucket mouth and I just want to tell people everything.

3:34:28 But and I know some of these guys are the same way too,

3:34:31 so it's kind of hilarious where we kind of have to ourselves and be like,

3:34:33 okay, all right, we're not going to say this, you know.

3:34:37 So I just I just want people to know the truth, and I

3:34:41 just I want the truth to be out, and I want people to stop

3:34:43 losing their lives. I want these good guys to get out of this organization,

3:34:46 and I want humanity to involve in a way that is going to help

3:34:50 us and help the planet and help our children of this planet as well.

3:34:54 I don't have kids, but you know what, if I'm going through with

3:34:58 this mote, this mission, then it means that I'm looking out for the

3:35:01 betterment of humanity, and then I can I can live with that I can

3:35:05 take the arrows at the same time. If that's my goal, I'm doing

3:35:07 the right thing. Yeah, And you can leave the world a better place

3:35:11 than you found it. All of our goals, and it should be all

3:35:16 of our goal. Whether you have kids or not is a different you know

3:35:24 that, that's something entirely different. I think we should all strive to leave

3:35:28 the planet a little bit better than we than we then we inherited it or

3:35:33 got it, because you know, I mean here, at least for me,

3:35:39 I mean, I'm I'm a believer in uh, the eternal. You

3:35:43 know, the consciousness survives death, So I don't think it ends here.

3:35:48 I don't. No, it doesn't. And a lot of these insiders used

3:35:52 to think otherwise until they came in contact with this operation and it kind of

3:35:56 thought them that there was an afterlife and and things like that, and that's

3:36:01 what we have to unlock. If we're just patient, let me be just

3:36:07 patient. I'm gonna I'm gonna leave you off with this, all right.

3:36:11 I imagine in a perfect world that if let's say, we had e T

3:36:16 come down or Enchi come down, and they were to land on our planet

3:36:20 somewhere, and the moment they do that. We are all as human beings,

3:36:26 going to be wrong about everything. And I mean our history, I

3:36:31 mean everything that made us, you know, as humans to begin with,

3:36:35 is what we understand our world to be. We're going to be wrong about

3:36:39 what we think about the Solar System, what we think about the universe.

3:36:41 We're going to be one hundred percent wrong. And you know, so that's

3:36:46 a humbling factor in itself, because, like I said, we only know

3:36:50 what we experience. Well, you know what we're told, We really know.

3:36:52 That's that's the well, you know we're taught. You know, like

3:36:56 I've never been to outer space. I don't wrote it, you know,

3:37:00 like you know, and and and and I'm not gonna I'm not a flat

3:37:03 Earth person, but like again, I can see how flat Earth people exist

3:37:09 because like personally, I've never seen the Earth from outside, so I get

3:37:15 it. It's like what I get it. I've had people even ask the

3:37:18 same question, like, Okay, well, you know, like I've never

3:37:22 seen a UFO, so they don't exist. Okay, have you ever seen

3:37:26 a Titanic in person that's sunk at the bottom of the ocean? Right,

3:37:30 I saw pictures of it. Okay, you know what else? You see

3:37:33 pictures of you, hm, things in the sky that don't fucking that that

3:37:39 that are not identified, and that's that is that is that's that is important.

3:37:45 Some people have never seen the Perma. Some people have never seen the

3:37:48 Great Wall of China. How do people know it exists? Well through other

3:37:52 people. If you're not able to go there, you learn it through other

3:37:56 people. You learn from people videotaping it. I mean, this is what

3:38:01 kind of frustrates too because of the hoaxers, right, because there's some people

3:38:03 do too good stuff with AI and CGI, and it's a mind blowing stuff.

3:38:07 But that should be for entertainment in in movie making, for fucking's submitting

3:38:15 legitimate because you want to say that you got something, come on. That

3:38:18 doesn't help us by any means. It just worsens our cause here it wors

3:38:22 Is it for the public too, you know, because then the public has

3:38:26 a hard time trying to believe it. I understand one hundred percent where they're

3:38:28 coming from. I was in the same boat. I didn't believe it the

3:38:31 shit. I ridiculed people who believed in it, said you're fucking crazy,

3:38:35 you know. But then I had my experience and guess what, that completely

3:38:37 flipped my world upside down in that regard. And you know, I'm not

3:38:41 the only one that's ever happened to I know that there's other people that have

3:38:43 it similar instances to say, Okay, my life changed, you know,

3:38:46 at least in at least believing in this subject. I call that the moment

3:38:52 of conversion. It's it's when you when you go from either not knowing or

3:38:58 straight up like you know, denying to like I'm sorry, from believing or

3:39:07 denying to knowing. Right, It's like a moment of conversions, like oh

3:39:11 shit, okay, that's real. Yeah wow. And unfortunately that's that's where

3:39:18 a lot of people stand is like I said, they have to see it

3:39:22 first and then they'll believe it, you know. And I understand where they're

3:39:24 coming from. I'm not going to bash them to say that, but I'm

3:39:26 saying that, I just want to get there at their own pace, in

3:39:30 your own world, as far as what you're able in your capabilities. Believe

3:39:33 it first and then you'll see it. But everything else, yeah, be

3:39:37 skeptical. There's people trying to make money on the subject, hand over fist,

3:39:41 trying to get rich off this shit. I don't agree with it.

3:39:43 I will never make money off this. I will make money doing the right

3:39:46 thing. I've had people pay me for my time because I had to fly

3:39:50 out of state to talk to people, and that was good because at least

3:39:52 I said, well, okay, if I'm going to sacrifice the day at

3:39:54 work, you know, so they understood that. Ye. And I'm not

3:39:58 talking about significant amount of money. Yeah, And that's how that's how it

3:40:01 should be though. Yeah, and they covered you know, they paid your

3:40:05 expenses. I'm grateful for that, but that doesn't give me money. It

3:40:07 doesn't make me live a lavish lifestyle. Yeah. And like you know,

3:40:13 Sean Ryan, the only thing he could do for us was accommodate our expenses

3:40:18 as far as a hotel, and he reimbursed our plane tickets. That's it.

3:40:22 I didn't want him pay for us. Yeah, you know, it's

3:40:24 you know, yeah, yeah, you're you're you're Like you said earlier,

3:40:28 your testimony is not for sale, but you will give it under circumstances.

3:40:35 I will. Those were the circumstances that that you agreed to, Yes,

3:40:39 and I saw it. Because it's not meant to make money. I'm not

3:40:43 going to have people monetize it and then try to legally bind me to a

3:40:46 document that says I can't talk about it because they own the rights to it.

3:40:50 That's how stupid this is. Well, that's that was my problem with

3:40:54 Dody Rick Rick Dody is his whole story is owned by Gaya. So when

3:41:01 I'm talking to him, like we can only go certain places because he has

3:41:07 an NDA signed with Gaya, and it like it almost makes you second guess

3:41:11 certain things, like again, I had a great conversation with him. I

3:41:16 really like, in my mind, something cool I do. Next month,

3:41:24 I'm going to be shooting a couple episodes on Gaya, at least eight more,

3:41:28 four of which are going to be with Duty. No fucking that's why

3:41:33 you brought you up, yep, listen, So then let me let me

3:41:37 make this. Like I told the producer of Gaya and a munch of other

3:41:41 people, like you're not buying my story. You're not giving me money.

3:41:46 I'm not I'm not taking money, you know. So so for them to

3:41:50 you know, because I've had people try to say, oh, I want

3:41:52 to write a book about you. If I want to write a book,

3:41:54 I will do it. Yes, that's your story to it and guess what

3:41:58 I do, it will be something that guess what, pay for fucking shipping.

3:42:03 I don't care as long as it gets from me to you cover that

3:42:07 or if I really need it that bad, like I don't care, But

3:42:09 I don't have a desire to write a book. I don't have it.

3:42:11 Now if they make a movie when all this shit comes to fruition and all

3:42:16 of a sudden, like they try to portray me as this character whatever it

3:42:18 is, because they're going to do that, and they can legally do that,

3:42:22 and they're like, try to go, well, you know, who,

3:42:24 do you want to be in a movie? No, I'm not going

3:42:24 to be in a movie, but I will. I will do like I

3:42:28 do with everybody else who tells my story that I want them to stick to

3:42:33 the facts of what I present, don't blow anything up, don't over exaggerate

3:42:37 it, because that's not the truth. The truth is what I have recounted

3:42:41 and have told people. I don't over exaggerate it. I don't try to

3:42:45 play it down. I can't just tell people what happens. And if they

3:42:48 can do the same thing, and I've got complete respect for them, But

3:42:52 if they tried to make it and hype it up more than what it is.

3:42:54 I'm sorry, but that's not how it works for me. And again,

3:42:58 much respect, much respect, and and and I know that we we've

3:43:03 talked about doing stuff, you know, outside of podcasting, and you've been

3:43:07 the utmost and upfront about your your your thought process on this so I can

3:43:18 attest to the fact that that is how you conduct yourself outside of an interview

3:43:24 in life in general. But Mike, it's been such a good I mean,

3:43:31 this is probably been one of my favorite podcasts I've ever done. I

3:43:37 think I don't know why. It's something. It's just I don't know you

3:43:45 have you have a conviction about you. And because I'm just an I'm just

3:43:50 another person. I'm just literally it. I've told more about myself in an

3:43:56 interview on this pop platform compared to any other interviews. And the reason why

3:44:00 is because I want people to be able to identify that, yes, I

3:44:03 have strengths. Yes I've got a lot of fucking weaknesses too. I'm not

3:44:07 a perfect person, you know. I want people to be able to relate

3:44:11 to me in those aspects, to say, yes, I know where I

3:44:13 come from, and I remember that every single day. I remember that every

3:44:18 single day, So I want people to be able to relate to me in

3:44:20 that aspect. I don't think of myself as this person. It's this person

3:44:24 that gets put in height, you know, all your famous and all this

3:44:26 kind of stuff. I don't, I don't. I don't think of myself

3:44:28 that way. I'm just trying to do the right thing, and unfortunately it's

3:44:33 gotten the attention of a lot of good people and a lot of bad people,

3:44:35 So, you know, and I can live with that. I've made

3:44:39 the choices and I have to reap every what I sew, and unfortunately that's

3:44:43 just how this is, and it's it's no other difference between making a choice

3:44:46 and having the consequences or the advantages of that. So you know, I

3:44:52 you know, I like to talk to people at least that want to get

3:44:54 more clarity about things because I think, like I said, humanity is entitled

3:44:56 to this information and I am going to go as far as I humanly im

3:45:03 possibly can go with this until I can't. And that's either that's either till

3:45:09 they kill me because I say something I'm not supposed to, or us till

3:45:13 I leave this earth on my own. A court such as living a good

3:45:16 life and it's my time to go right. Much love, much love for

3:45:20 that man, and you know we're definitely gonna have more discussions, and you

3:45:28 know you're always welcome here all the anytime you want. But for the most

3:45:33 part, uh, you know, you don't have social media, you don't

3:45:37 really engage on that kind of level. So you know, if people are

3:45:43 inspired by you, what would you recommend they do get in touch with you,

3:45:48 if they have anything intelligent to talk about, if they actually have,

3:45:52 if they actually I don't want to sound rude to this, but you know

3:45:58 how many people try to hit me up to about things I've already talked about.

3:46:03 Are they're already in depth I'm talking about if it's something that's outside the

3:46:05 box, or if something I could fill in a gap or or shed light

3:46:11 on something. Yeah, yeah, I mean I'm not opposed to that.

3:46:16 But if anybody's gonna be negative or talk shit, and obviously I don't need

3:46:18 to hear that, I don't care. They're gonna leave rent for them and

3:46:22 they're they're gonna have me in their head the whole time, and guess what,

3:46:24 that's more punishment for them enough. I don't care. I don't think

3:46:28 about right, well, and I don't. I don't think about them when

3:46:33 I'm doing business. I don't think about anything that they're doing you online,

3:46:35 because that has nothing to do that. What I always tell people this,

3:46:39 and I'm gonna I should I'm gonna really leave it off with this. Everybody,

3:46:45 You guys are the fucking main character in your movie their life that you

3:46:50 call or I should say movie you call your life. Right, So the

3:46:54 key people that you love, that you respect, that you care for are

3:46:58 also the main characters. So why is it that a lot of people typically

3:47:05 care for the extras in a movie such as cab, a cab driver,

3:47:07 a bounce or b cab driver, c Why do people put so much focus

3:47:13 on people have never personally met or developerport with in a relationship and actually know

3:47:16 on a personal level. Why do we care about them so much but what

3:47:20 they think? I don't care what people think about me in that way?

3:47:24 Right. We am not saying I won't take the positive reinforcement, and now

3:47:28 that I appreciate that, but honestly, it doesn't you're not going to let

3:47:33 the negative stuff get to you. I don't let anything get to me because

3:47:35 it's not coming from me, my mentors, and the people that helped me

3:47:41 on a daily basis. I care about what they think because they're directly involved

3:47:45 in my life in big ways. I care about what my father thinks about

3:47:50 me. I care about what my wife thinks about me. I care about

3:47:52 these people that matter to me, which is a small group as far as

3:47:56 people I don't personally know. It doesn't dictate what I'm doing out Like I

3:48:01 said, I would appreciate the positive aspects of it, and that will continue

3:48:05 me to further myself along in a way because it shows that I've got good

3:48:09 support from good people. Well, I will say this, I've never been

3:48:15 reached out to more about any guests. I've never had so much outpouring of

3:48:20 support for someone than I have had for you. So just note that you

3:48:26 do have a lot of people in your corner for sure that are rallying behind

3:48:31 you. And I'm I'm definitely right there at the top because you know,

3:48:37 I have a vested interest. I just I like you as a person.

3:48:39 I think you're I think of you as a friend. So I here's to

3:48:46 the beginning, and uh, and here's to the to the next chapter.

3:48:52 Michael, I, I I can't wait to talk again. And everyone else

3:49:00 for listening in the future, watching now if a couple people send up super

3:49:03 chats, thank you so much. You guys are the reason that the show

3:49:07 is able to continue. We're gonna be doing more on YouTube and kind of

3:49:13 you know, trying to equalize everything out. So again, next week's episode

3:49:18 will be with Rich Dooty. It's not live, but from there going forward,

3:49:20 I'm gonna start doing a lot more live episodes, so you know what

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3:49:50 and yesterday, So that's gonna be really fun. And like I said,

3:49:54 love you all and we can't do the show without you, each and every

3:49:58 one of you. So just keep doing what it is, keep looking to

3:50:01 this guy, and uh, if you got anything to uh, talk about

3:50:05 my contacts always in the description below. We'll see it. God, I

3:50:13 could I can't find the outro. See, this is the I gotta this.

3:50:18 This is a live moment, like a live radio moment that uh I

3:50:22 wasn't prepared for. See back when I used to do it live all the

3:50:26 time, I'd have the outro ready to go, so when I did this

3:50:28 speech, I could just click it. But now here we have in like

3:50:31 this awkward. All right, we're really two three two