#105 ANJALI- DOD Intelligence Officer with a Life long Contact of Non Human Intelligence, A Base In The Mountains & More!
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head both ways. But I'm so excited to have you here today and truly
it's really something I mean, any experiencer, and I did want to say
that you are a d O D Intel officer, you know, with a
life law of experiences and experiences with uh what we would call now non human
intelligence. And today we're going to dive into your story pretty deeply. And
Uh, what's crazy I find is that you know, my the last few
interviews I've done with people are very high in government and high in military positions,
and just these the credibility that it gives you guys coming forward and telling
your stories is something that we shall not waiver on. And it shouldn't be
uh, something that is used against anyone, their their their their history.
It's just it baffles me when it just we try to find the flaw in
each of these people coming forward when you know what we this is what we've
been asking for for eighty plus years, and now that it's happening, you
know, people can't see see that it's it's actually happening, and I feel
like they're in denial in a way. And so I just I want to
say thank you for your service and government, and I want to say thank
you for for having the courage to step forward with with your with your story.
Thank you, thank you very much for having me Tay. I really
appreciate it. It's my pleasure to be here today. I'm glad that Nikki
star Child was able to facilitate our connection. I think that's wonderful. So's
wonderful. Yeah, shout out to Alien Girl one one one. But yeah,
it's my pleasure to be here. We probably should have done this sooner,
but probably everything is right on time in the grand scheme, and so
you know, I'm glad to be here today. So what I what I
really wanted to start off with is so it you I want to start off
with first off, how you got into government in your early life? And
you know, had you that that side of who who are you? Right?
And you know was did you always have an interest in uh the wonders
of the universe? And how did that drive you in your uh uh career?
And so many questions all at once. Yeah, it's a big it's
a big intro. Oh yeah, okay, So who am I? Well?
I am the the daughter of a a complex woman and a complex family.
I wouldn't say that all of my life I've had interest in the phenomena
or non human intelligence UFOs, the paranormal, the phenomena in generalize we usually
call it. But I have always scratched that. When I was four years
old, I had my first memorable conscious and physical contact with aliens as most
people would have called them back then. They were very the very typical sort
of shape size, you know, the features of the larger eyes and the
very uh visual nose and mouth. So but it's like God, I was
like the grays. I think that's uh. Is that a good way to
say to describe them? Or well? I would say no, only because
their skin wasn't gray. And I certainly had a very positive experience, So
I wouldn't I wouldn't attribute it in even the same manner as a lot of
other people have who have had contact with with the beings that we often call
grays. But so let me just back up a little bit. When I
was four years old, I woke up in my bed and was running down
my hall. It was night and something had woken me up. And suddenly
I was inside of well, I was just somewhere else. Okay. Let
me tell you as my four year old mind, brain, body, everything
memory experienced it. Okay, I was suddenly in a different place, like
I had been running down the hall one moment and the next moment, I'm
in a different place, and I'm surrounded by these beings that are very interested
in me. Some of them, I think are They either had on clothes
like they were they were actually physically wearing them, or they wanted me to
see them that way. But most of them were unclothed. There were what
I would call adult higher You know, I can't tell you how how large
they were. I was four, I was pretty tiny, So they looked
pretty tall, you know, no matter what they were going to look yeah
pretty tall. Yeah, And so did they look like you and I no.
No, So they had like a tannish almost purpleish lavender look about them.
Okay. As for their skin, all of them were hairless. There
was no hair visible anywhere. Spindly arms, spindally legs, spindly neck,
oversized head and cranium, large, kind eyes, kind face, expressions of
happiness and joy and friendliness. No one spoke out loud to me, but
I could hear them, So that would have been my first memorable, uh
instance of what I would call conscious communication or conscious contact. When they're they're
communicating directly from consciousness to consciousness or from mind to mind. I'm not really
sure exactly you know, how that is facilitated, but it's definitely begun on
their side. Yeah, and and and that's something that we, I mean,
that is consistent in experiencer stories that be there's just it's overwhelming. You
know, we can convict a person of murder on less, uh less testimony
than we have for various various areas of the phenomena. So that's what makes
me really like just kind of blown away that I think Mitch Yukaku says it
best, is the burden is now on the debunker, so to say this
isn't happening because it is just overwhelming. So I mean, did you live
with that memory or is this something that was accessed after Let me tell you
what I what I lived with and that I lived with and then But I
haven't told you what they said yet. Oh do you want to know what
I said? I would more than anything, am I? Yes? They
this. I mean, that's like the most fascinating part. But actually,
you know, for me, but for most people in the disclosure movement,
the second part of it is where a lot of people try to focus initially
because it's the nuts and bolts part. But let me start with what I
experienced and what I think. I was inside of a craft, but I
could have been anywhere. To be honest, I just was no longer where
I was, no longer in my home boom they brought up, and uh,
the there are adults that are approaching. There are groups of children of
various ages. I would say, from you know too three years old or
around my age to uh, you know ten at the oldest, probably the
children looked more human. Some of them looked more human than others, but
none of them could pass as a human. Meaning they still had the they
retained the trait of the skin color and the hairlessness, and the oversized eyes
and the smaller mouths. But their eyes were not like the adults. Okay,
so they had like having if you just took human eyes and made them
too large in the face. You know, there were some that looked like
that, some that had retrained it retained the other rate from from the adults.
The adult beings who were there that Uh, they were picking at my
my clothes kind of like pinching it and pulling it a little bit. They
would pinch and touch my skin and touch my hair. I was hearing a
lot of giggling. I can't tell you if any of that was actually auditory,
but I feel like some of it was, like what like it was
auditory. It wasn't just you know, a consciousness communication. I felt,
you know, looking back, I feel like like that there were actual sounds
made, that there were actual sounds being made, whereas the adults there were
no sounds being made, none of them. Maybe it's so so again,
maybe it maybe it is something that that has developed even with species. This
is what they've said, what they said to me that night. They the
adults told me that they were that they were my family, and that they
had been like you, using the the eggs from women in my family and
and I'm not the only one, but they were just telling me about me
because they were looking for compatibility where we could retain certain traits but yet appear
to be human and blinda so that they could live here on earth, so
that their consciousness could be placed in these bodies because they have different energetic needs
and I don't know, I have some suspicions. I'm going to hold back
on those right now. Yeah, but uh so, So they said that
they essentially had to manipulate and combine DNA from them and my maternal line too,
and they had been playing with it and that these were like my siblings
and cousins and that this was my like my other family, and that we
share DNA but they didn't quite pass, and so they wanted to know that
They wanted me to know that they were there and that that I had another
family, and they wanted me to know who I was. Okay, So,
as a four year old, how do you take that in? Okay?
Or is it or is it the opposite of what we think You're more
receptive to it. I okay, So if I forget to answer anything,
please, is you know, prompted, No, You're sorry. Sometimes I
think out loud, it's okay, me too. What I remembered for most
of my life was something different, Okay. It was I'm running down the
hall, and I continue running down the hall, and I jump on to
the back of the couch and I am like looking over the back of the
couch. You know, I'm just four years old, and I'm looking out
these windows that are to the front yard that overlook or that can look into
the car port and the driveway and the neighborhood and the tree in the front
yard and my pool, you know, full of toys out there, and
the bushes that were right there. I that's what I would normally be able
to seize, you know, a normal neighborhood in the nineteen seventies, nineteen
seventy six ish. I believe that it occurred in nineteen seventy six. So
when I reached the window, what I see and what woke me up,
I think, was that it was suddenly really bright outside. The house was
full of light, but it was night, and my mother and other people
who lived in our home, were outside looking up above our home at a
craft that was there, part of which I could see, And everybody in
the neighborhood is out and looking at this thing, looking at this thing,
Okay, And my last memory, my last conscious memory of it is a
different perspective where suddenly I can see, like I'm standing in the middle of
the street, and I can see what's above our home. So while now
I'm looking out the window at them, I get this flash of what it
looks like from a different perspective, so I see everything. Okay, safe
to say you might have been astray projected somehow or or or they just showed
me. I don't know. Was it an intentional remote view or did they
That's a good point for me, that's a good point. So so this
event was talked about for years in my family. Okay, of course I
remembered. I've always always, there was never a time that I did not
remember the craft above our home, okay, and what it looked like,
and everybody standing out there, and we talked about it everyone, I would
say, at least once a year my entire life, like family gathering stuff
like that. That's right, right, family gatherings friends. There were friends
who were there that night, who were who are still in our family,
you know what I mean, Like they're friends of the family still and they
still remember all of this and what my mother and one particular woman that I've
had the pleasure to speak directly to who I've known. But you know,
I grew up and moved away and had an adult life and we reconnected after
my press conference in twenty twenty Yeah, twenty one, twenty twenty one.
Sorry, it's okay, no worries. The pandemic, it was all one
blur. Yeah, right. I wish I could have been there, oh
man, because I would have been. I would have been It's okay,
you can find it anywhere, so yeah, yeah, yeah, but there's
nothing like that in person, that electricity, you know. Yeah. It
didn't take questions that day, which was interesting because it was just actually I
was in the flow state with them and I just every step knew exactly what
to say. It was. It was quite extraordinary. So that's why I
told you, like the first time I saw you was so I had these
guys on from dock Side Media. Shout out Dockside Media. They made this
movie called Constant Contact and it centers, yeah, the centers yeah, the
other thiler. It's centers around your speech and I haven't speak. It's it's
amazing, it's amazing. Yeah, they got you're it's the way they wove
it into the story. It was just they did a really good job.
And I really highly recommend it. There. You know, I I'm making
my first you know, I went to film school, so now I'm making
my first feature length documentaries right now. And you know, I would love
to we could talk off air about this. Uh well, let's get back
into the interview. Yeah, So that's really funny that that's how how how
you were introduced to me because I was so uncooperative with that poor man with
Tyler from Dark Side Media, and he was nothing but kind and he's a
very sweet person, trying to be nothing but accommodating. But I was so
shy and afraid of everyone because I did it well. The environment I stepped
into, it was like I felt like I was standing on a landmine and
that if I moved, everything was just going to explode around me. So
I was just like it was almost like I was had per like decisional paralysis.
I couldn't I literally couldn't move my mind to to think about doing a
documentary. It's terrible and and and I think with how it ended up and
turned out, I think it it was good and it was a good representation.
They painted you in a very very good light. And you know,
I think you should watch it. I do, but that's for another time,
but I mean it does so. So indeed, when did you get
into intelligence and U how how did you end up working with the D O
D and taking that path? Sure? Well, I grew up in the
South and we have some genetic issues in our family. My mother had to
be medically retired early, so we were she was a single mom. I'm
not sure if I already said that. So, you know, money wasn't
something we had a lot of. And I understood that that I needed to
have options A, B C and D moving forward with my life so that
if one safety net or one plan didn't work out, there would always be
another plan. And I meant mean this like professionally with schools, you know,
with careers, with you know, anything that I get get involved in
professionally that affects my livelihood. I always knew A, B, C and
D, So I at first I was very athletic, athletic citizen ran runs
in our family as well, particularly long distance running and sprinting. You know,
speed at sprinting was something that we were that we are good at in
my family. It's quite quite fun and uh so that was my first thought
was I I would run, starting at about age about age ten, I
would run several miles a day playing. We lived out in the country,
and I would play in an area that we called the flats because it was
an area of wood a wooded area that had old roads that were probably used
for foresting back in the day, you know, logging, hunting. They
were you know, just a little bit bigger than a game trail really,
and it was a very flat area so if it rained, it was just
you know, you're like standing in a marsh, right, So we just
called it the flats. But the flats were actually quite interesting. I had
a number of experiences, not all of them alone and involving what I would
call the phenomena. But I would run the flats and play in the woods.
Growing up in Florida, we had ivy or excuse me, not ivy
vines that would grow down out of out of trees, and you can literally
pull on them and swing across rivers and lakes, you know, or streams
and lakes. Right, we had water running through all property. So that
was me. I was the child who was always outside, didn't want to
be inside. If I was inside, I usually had a book in my
hand or I was writing sounds like You're an explorer, not just of the
physical nature, but of the mental nature. From a young age. Yes,
I would also climb as high as I could up into trees and I
would get in a comfortable position and with whatever book I was reading at the
time, and I would I could stay up there for hours. It just
didn't bother me. So that was kind of where I hailed from. And
my mother had had been a very good runner also when she was young.
But I mentioned that by you know, by the time I was in high
school, she was medically retired, and so she was already experiencing some physical
ailments that began to hit me around the age of fifteen. Was the first
time that I really felt it, that I felt like I didn't have the
energy to go for a run, and that just didn't make sense to me
because that was what I had always done, and it scared me because I
thought that I was going to go to college on a full ride for running,
you know, for the running scholarship. I didn't care if it was
going to be cross country or track or both. You know, that that
was my plan. And then suddenly I it was like two years into puberty,
something kicked in genetically and my kidneys started struggling and I had several kidney
infections. I was breaking out into rashes all the time. I was having
like really serious allergic reactions. I just sort of missing a lot of school.
And so suddenly I'm pretty scared. And so I decided, well,
I'm going to do what most poor Southern kids do, and that is I'm
going to plan for the military. And so I didn't want to go in
as an enlisted. I had planned on getting a scholarship and going you know
into Air Force ro OTC at the collegiate level and using that to become a
commissioned officer. So with that in sight, I decided I would I would
participate in the Air Force or to Junior r O t C program at my
high school, which became one of the top ones in the nation. And
we'll talk about that some other time. But but but it's it's amazing that
you got the perseverance to adapt to your environment and understand that listen, there's
no future in what I thought there was going to be. That's right.
And to have that again, that that preparedness as as young as you did,
it's a testament to your to your uh willingness to fight into to to
not to not let things phase you. Yes, I would say when I
was exactly what the government wants. Well yes, well yeah, yeah,
I guess it turned out a little different than they expected. But well well
so so so let let me first say there was there was a comment that
you made a moment ago, and basically I think you were trying to talk
to me about tenacity and and I I I do consider myself to be very
adaptable. It's also been something that's always been a part of all of my
interviews. I am adapt adaptable to the circumstances around me, while also always
seeking, you know, to improve standard operating procedures, you know, to
take it to the next level. What can we do to be better,
to do better, uh, to think better. In the first place,
I was always that person and so as it turned out, I I did
stick with the Air Force Junior RTC. I was I was accepted into space
camp, did not go because I know, right we couldn't afford it,
and my pride stepped in. One of my best friends had also been accepted
and we were going to go together and her parents had, you know,
they were well to do, and they offered to loan it to my mother,
or I think they wanted to give it to her to just pay for
my camp, but I think she was insisting on a loan, and I
wasn't comfortable with it. Like I just thought, this is this is not
how I do this. I can't I can't have my mother borrowing money from
my best friend's parents, Like this just sounds like a recipe for destruction.
And so I said no, and it was really tough. We yeah,
it was really easy opportunity. It's okay though. It kept our it kept
our relationship study you know, over the years, and that was good.
I think that that was in the long term, that was more important than
me going to space camp. What's interesting about that is that while I was
in college, I was going to school where I was stationed. I had
been stationed in South Dakota and So I was on the western side of the
state at Ellsworth Air Force Base. An old Oh I know Ellsworth? Yeah,
I bet you do. What years were you there? I was?
I was there from ninety two to I didn't leave the area until two thousand
and three. Huh interesting, But I was out of the Do you know
a gentleman named Mario Woods? He was a he are you talking? Hold
up a second, are you actually talking to me about Mario Woods? From
south from South Dakota State University. Yeah, a sociologist. No, are
you sure? Yes? How old? So he's an old. I don't
know how old Mario is, but no, he was. He was enlisted
at Ellsworth and he was he responded to. He was a military police officer
who responded to a breach at Ellsworth Air Force Base. And when it came
apart the nuclear missile silo UH code named November five, there was a gaseous
ball of light and the atmosphere in the car in the truck got really thick.
His partner was in like this stasis, and you know, he's trying
to get out of the car, but before he does, he's trying to
climb out the window and he succumbs to the whatever the thickness was, and
he passes out, and the next thing he knows he wakes up, the
car is physically miles away from the missile site. After responding to this,
school buys school school bus sized gashous ball of light hovering over the missile silo.
He later goes on to talk in a regression about abduction. But time
nineteen seventy something seventy. So it's just it's ironic that you brought up Ellsworth
because I wanted to know, as a as someone who is there, did
you know anything about this? I was just going to tell you that I
have heard that story. I heard so many stories about Ellsworth Air Force Base
and contact with the phenomena there. I had multiple experiences myself while I was
there. Two that I will just very quickly tell you. One is I
was standing in my living room and a ball of light came streaking down and
passed my house and down this like it's it's it's like a waterway that was
usually empty, and it's you know, on each side there's a neighborhood,
and so it just came down and it was huge, huge, bright light.
Just everything turned white and it was gone so fast. The first thing
I did is I called. I called the tower, of course, you
know, and asked them if they saw anything. And so I called the
tower. I don't know if I was the first one to call or what,
but I as soon as he answered the phone, I said, what
the hell is that? He said? And we just like were screaming at
each other on the phone because we were so excited. Right right in nineteen
ninety four or ninety five, something's going on there. That's right, something's
going on there. It was really something I also had who worked the Misso
silos missile silos when we still had the nuclear missiles there, who saw all
sorts of unexplained phenomena and lights and beings craft and which is something I do
want to talk to you about when we get to it, so we could
put a pin in the new your conversation, because I think you might be
able to shed some insight into into that realm. So all right, so
back, backing up, yeah, backing up. You're so so you're doing
so you're at Ellsworth Air Force Space? Yes, okay, so yeah,
where did you want me to pick up about the other my other my other
contact there or or did you want yeah, whatever. The next phase of
the the story was so I think you were saying, so that's so?
Is that? Is that why you were bringing up Bellsworth to bring up that
those contacts? Well, you know, you were asking me how I ended
up in Intel, and yeah, honestly this all connects. How did I
end up Southern Christian poverty? There you go, Southern Christian poverty. That's
how I ended up in Intel. If it had those things, who knows
what I would have how I would have how I would have chosen a different
path. I don't know. I may have ended up doing the same thing,
but it's certainly what inspired me throughout my life was not to repeat patterns
that were in our family. Little did I know that when you're dealing with
a genetic illness it can be very difficult. I suddenly all made sense about
you know, this hereditary poverty that we seem to have, and it it
made sense. There was a lot of a lot of illness in my family,
and this was just on my mother's side. So I knew that.
I reached a point where I realized that that enlisting was my only option.
I received several partial scholarshi ships, even a couple of full scholarships to different
universities prior to me enlisting. But still like we couldn't cover like the books
and the university fees, Like there were going to be things that we just
couldn't cover. It was like something was going to suffer. And all of
them were out of state, which meant that I couldn't live at home.
I had to you know, work in the dorm. So you can still
you can cover someone's tuition, but they still have all of their university fees
and books and supplies. Plus you know, as a freshman year, you're
mostly required to live on campus unless you know, for campus. Yeah,
so they get you. They just Nichol and DIMEU and so here I was
with these opportunities, none of which I could seize because we just didn't have
the means to make it work. So such a problem. That's that's the
problem. Yeah, there's no opportunity. You know, we we we we
we like to think that in this country there's something called the American dream.
And yes, at one point maybe that was attainable, uh, you know,
in the in the forties, in the fifties, and wasn't my dream
Yeah, we weren't my dreams. Well no, no, I'm saying maybe
it was a reality then that you could you could go from poverty to being
somebody. But the institutionalized we became the less opportunity for the unfortunate or the
misplaced. Right even in a town like mine where I grew up, where
we were you know, Division one, and we had a lot of funding,
there was there was opportunity unity. But and I got a I got
a great public education, you know from the bill Ricka. I did.
I did, and and I didn't take advantage of it. But you know
in college I paid for it. I literally paid for my mistakes in high
school and college. So it's a vicious circle and or something. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, it's and and people don't you know, it's just I
don't know that that's a conversation. Again, that's more political. And I
know that they've in Massachusetts actually just passed a law where like if you're past
a certain age and you want to go back to school, like at a
middle a community college, they'll pay for your tuition. So I think that's
pretty cool. Yeah, So there are yeah, there are new programs and
and and stuff like that there's hope. It's we need to do is we
need to we do need to get rid of the geriatric political system that we
have. It's it's it's it is it is old fashioned in a world where
everything is changing on a daily basis. It's it's it's they're out of their
league, and it's it's no offense to them. And maybe you know,
it's okay to say that we need younger people in these positions, you know,
like in Congress and in the Senate, And with that comes a different
set of of I don't know, I don't want to get into this too
far. I think you're saying, you're saying, you know, like out
with the old guard sort of thing. But they're they're just not equipped to
handle the the the the rapid change in in life that is happening. Look
before us AI. It is something that that do we expect Mitch McConnell to
really understand artificial intelligence? To Nancy Pelow's do we expect these people to really
understand what's going on and to make laws and and make uh uh uh processes
regarding these things. It's it's it's far too advanced and at at some time
and that's why I think term limits are they need to be a thing.
I could agree with that, I agree, but that's again that's yeah,
that's political. So I again, I don't mean to go on that rant,
but no, it's okay. I just you know, I would say
that even if you get if you get rid of as you put it,
even if you phase out you know, those who have have been in political
power for decades through various means, you phase them out and you put younger
people in. Okay, And we're we're talking all democratically, Okay, so
we're we're just I say, phase out, so we're not talking like and
all at once everything turns over because we can't sustain that either. Uh,
that is a that's unsustainable. But there if we that's that's not the that's
not going to change the system in the long term. All that does is
it keeps the same families with the same power and the same hidden wealth and
influence in the same positions so that they've been in. All we do is
we have a turnover of of younger congress congressmen and women and senators who come
in to replace them, and they will fall to the same system that all
of them fall to we're really in quite the pickle. Yeah, we are.
And and and you know, in your time and intelligence, you know,
is there anything that you can recall that that stood out as far as
uh the phenomenon and and because I do want to go back to you into
your story, but during your time, as you know, when you became
what you inevitably became was it the job that you that that that you that
you love, that you that you expected it to be becau because I think
most people to think that like, you're a spy, you're you're this,
you're that right, you're out there as an operative and hidden in the world.
But you know, what was what what was it like as a d
D Intel officer? Well, there are multitudes of things to do as a
d D Intel officer. You can have a fully immersed boots on the ground
or you can work in the Secretary of Defensive Office. You know, there's
there's a a wide range of things that intelligence officers do. So and there's
a lot of cross training. That's always a positive thing. Every intelligence officer
is considered deployable. It's a deployable position, so you have to agree to
that. And yeah, most people don't understand that, you know, but
if they can, they have the right to deploy you. And and you
know, in matters of national security and in times of American interests being threatened
abroad, or in the strengthening of new bonds, you know, sometimes deploy
deployment is needed. Signing I would go ahead, I said, it's necessary,
yes, exactly. Oh yeah, I'm sorry, I can't remember what
I was going to say. But yeah, so you were saying that at
any time, you know, you kind of sign this, this this waiver
that you are deployable in these UH agreements basically yesific situations. Yeah, and
that's understandableable, a deployable position. So you have to understand that. And
you work very closely with with various aspects of active duty military. So you
know, we were immersed together. We weren't separated, you know by civilian
employee, defense contract or active duty you know, employee, none of that
was separated. We were all very immersed together in you know, in unison
of mission and understanding of what we were trying to accomplish. So it was
it was the experience that I thought it would be. It was unfortunate for
me, my my time in d C was cut short due to an illness
that I acquired while I was there, and it was very unfortunate. When
I presented my resignation, they did not accept it. And and they do
that, right, That's what I said. I said, can you do
that? And they said, yeah, signed. Did you sign a contract?
So well, I mean, you know, you when you sign on
the dotted line to the government. So essentially I was able to to move
over into a a defense contract position. So I was no longer a federal
officer. Now I was, you know, purely civilian defense officer. Your
badge your your badge color changed. Yeah, but you know, for a
while, none of my none of my accesses did because I was still working
the same Well, there were specific accesses of programs that I was read into,
uh at at the Pentagon that you know, they always keep how many
people can be read in at a particular time, uh limited, and uh
so they can all you know, control who knows what, so that if
something goes out, you know, uh they know exactly they can narrow it
in. So compartmentalization, yes, absolutely, and so I was read out
of some of that. But otherwise, you know, all of my clearances
and everything held the same. I was working with the same division, just
doing a different aspect offsite. So yeah, awesome, Yeah, I mean,
I mean it sucks to it sucks to leave a job that you know,
you you love. So what years did so in let me, I
just want to get the timeline here again. So you're in ninety six,
you were at Elsworth nineteen ninety two two. I lived on base until ninety
seven, and I was in the area until two thousand and three and two.
Okay, Then from Ellsworth you go to ten or eleven years. I
was there well, part of some of those years. I was in college
at Black Hill State University, so I stayed in the area. It was
just down the street, you know, as the crows fly, just down
the street. And then I went to grad school, and then I was
recruited out of grad school to the Defense Intelligence Agency, and I did some
more grad schooling for a little bit while they were doing all the security clearances,
and then I hoofed it over to DC and I was there until two
thousand and six, was on a contract till two thousand and nine, and
started another contract in twenty fifteen and ended that in twenty sixteen due it to
my illness. So so so yeah till twenty fifteen, and did twenty sixteen,
So I seventeen and twenty eighteen. Basically I did, I did,
I had. I did some work for startups, but it was it was
you know, for people that I knew. Yeah, and it wasn't.
I didn't want to be reimbursed for it. I just wanted, you know,
to keep my skills going, basically, was what I was thinking.
And then I got to a point exactly, and then I got to a
point where it just wasn't the stress of it wasn't sustainable enough for mere Yeah,
and so I even had I gave that up all together. So it
says that it still take consults, but the truth is is that I wouldn't
right now. It would have to be very very specific kinds of consultation.
I guess there are some consultations. Listen. I think ending so your last
you you get out in twenty sixteen and the next year, the next year
would change the course of humanity. In my opinion, The article, albeit
riddled with mistakes, right, you know that they didn't know any better.
I think they I think they were they chose they chose to leave things things
in. They elected to leave things out. They got the program names wrong,
and it really all focused on Elizondo when you know he was running the
program when it was basically unfunded at that point, and essentially you're a program
that we're not going to give you resources, right that had no resources left.
It was running on the bare bones. It was a basic It was
an on The twenty two million was awarded to all SAT, which Bigelow bid
for the contract. By the time that LOU got there, it was in
the last stages of its It was crumbling at that point. So they focused
this whole huge and it was a giant article. Don't get me wrong.
It changed the course of ufology and general interest in this in this in this
field. But twenty seventeen happens. Where are you and what do you what
are you thinking when you see this happen in the New York Times? You're
gonna love this? Huh? I didn't know? You didn't know, no,
because did you not know? I didn't really know about Lou until twenty
twenty. Okay, and that's because in January of twenty seventeen, I was
hospitalized and how was I going to say it was dealing with your medical issues
at this point, right, That's right, And I was very stressed.
That makes sense. I was. I was trying to keep my skills up
while not watching the news at all. I didn't want to watch the news
at all because it was stressing me out so much. I was so stressed
trying to figure out how what kind of work I could do to support myself.
How I was going to support myself. You know, how was I
going to rehab? Would I rehab? Was I going to walk again?
You know? Would I ever be able to walk without assistance? You know,
all these things were going through my head, and so I was trying
to figure out the rest of my life. And none of that involved The
New York Times, Right. Well, you know what's funny is we have
a we have like really similar stories in a way. It's actually uncanny.
It's just at different times. Because I, unfortunately was someone who it took.
It took me from ages twenty. I just it took I've been sober
for four years, but for three years before that, I'd been an alcoholic
since I was since the as far as I'm concerned, from the first drink
I had at fourteen years old, I was an alcoholic. That's I wasn't
an alcoholic at fourteen. It wasn't until you know, when the switch switch.
But the way I see it, I'm an alcoholic. I was an
alcoholic always. It was just it was just waiting to It was over inside
me, ready to explode, and it just it just took enough pressure building
for it to happen. And I battled it with for for three four years
in programs where there's no TV, you know, there's no cable, there's
no news. So in that scenario and during those same years, I was
doing the same thing. I didn't know about Elizondo, and I mean I
I kept up on that stuff because I was allowed to have my phone,
like every you know, by the time I got into like the the halfway
house, I was allowed to have my phone, and you know, I
started to pick up one some of it, but I was closeted for the
most part, and I bought podcast was not even in the question this is
nor was any of that. So we yeah, we have these stories.
But all right, so in twenty twenty, we'll just skip ahead a little
bit. In twenty twenty, you how did this begin? How did you
let people know that you were going to do a press conference? How did
this How does this whole story unfold? And how do you how is it
that you decide to come out with with this with a story that I'd like
you to tell us after for sure? Well, so it actually started in
twenty seventeen at the end of the year. Well, I could argue that
it's I now, looking back on my life, I can trace all of
the different times that I had touch points with the beings, okay in one
aspect or another, but I wasn't consciously aware of it at the time.
Now I have that awareness, and so I can look back and go,
oh, there you are, Oh yep, in there and there and there.
You know, so it's really it's quite it makes more sense. Yeah,
yeah, absolutely so. But the the culminating event, I would say,
or maybe the the beginning of the awakening for me, began when I
was in ICU in January of twenty seventeen. It was it was the day
after inauguration. I actually went in to ice you after watching the inauguration,
and and I just I have always remembered that it's kind of funny, but
within a couple of days. You know, I was quite a wild It
was quite It was a spectacle, right, that's for sure. It was.
It stressed me out so much just watching that. And uh, because
I had I already had my feet very grounded in what was heading towards,
you know, for the US in the coming years. And some of it
still to come to fruition, some of it already has people. I'm sorry,
I don't mean to interrupt you, but people forget you had a vested
interest and you worked directly with, you know, these high level individuals with
your job, and you had you know, you you did your job as
a patriot and for this country, and you had a vested interest and it's
and its prosperity and I don't want to the world, it's right, prosperity
in the world. So you know, at that moment, I could see
for a lot of people that it was it was a disruptive change. And
but I don't know, looking we can talk about that some other time.
I would I would be happy to talk to you about it because I have
a lot of a lot of what I would consider insight. If you wanted
to have a more I'm not going to call it political, So much as
a social look at Thane all that. Yeah, we'd love to have many
conversations with you in many different styles. Like I said, we could talk
about that off air. But yeah, so you're in the So you're in
the hospital. The lasting you remember is inauguration. There's just there's a I'm
in the ICU, I'm not doing well, and I'm being treated with some
really high powerful It's called I V I G I V Intravenous immuno globular therapy,
which is like the they take the globulin from thousands and the meno glodry
limb from thousands and thousands of people and they literally flesh your body with it
and it make it can make you very sick. It's very difficult while you're
going through it. But it also saved my life, So you know,
there's that. But so while all this was going on, my my children
are visiting, of course, and the ic new I see you nose was
standing there, and there was suddenly there was another woman that was standing there,
and she was just she was standing by the wall near the window and
the bathroom door like between there, and and she was just looking at me.
But yet I was knowing things about her. And I told my nurse
that the woman that there was an old woman next door who had died.
And she said, no, honey, nobody's died. You know, everybody.
Everybody's fine. And I said, no, I'm talking to her right
now. I'm telling you she's she's passed. And she said, what do
you mean you're talking to her. It's like, well, she's standing right
there. And they were like, nobody is standing there. And then they
hold code. You hear all her machines go off, and she passes away.
What done? Hell? Yeah? And so that began like a It
was like they would stop in after they had passed and they would come to
see me and tell me that they had just left, that they had just
left their bodies. Well, you know what's very interesting is now a lot
of people know what began me on my path. And again it's kind of
weird the synchronicity here. But what and this is the story I that we
talked about on the phone is I was in the room with my mother and
I remember looking at her at one moment and I looked away and I looked
back down at my pants, and I think I was going to grab for
my phone, and I realized I didn't have it with me. And when
I looked up, you know if you on a hot day, if you
look down the highway, there's like that heat wave, it was like this
dispert Yeah, it was like this mirage dispersion blur. It crossed my vision
field and it went out the window and she was gone. And when I
looked and when I looked back, she was gone. And I closed her
eyes, and it was it was the most And then of my sister and
brothers come running in and it's overwhelming, but all of a sudden but but
but this weird feeling of clarity and strengthen, it was just it was,
it was weird and and it's a beautiful. Yeah, And it set me.
It set me on on this path. I took two to three months
off of podcasting because I used to do interview actors and I used to work
with a very large cinema chain, mc uh An Chowcase Cinemas, and I
used to interview actors for them as well. So it was a you know,
it was it was what I thought I wanted to do. But this,
this moment in that room ultimately changed me. And funny thing is is
well, we can get that on our day. But again it's a synchronicity.
Uh so, yeah, so you're seeing these that's a that's incredible.
Absolutely, and it wasn't It was numerous times. I was there for eight
days. There were a lot of elderly people, and at one point they
we were full and then I was the only other patient. So yeah,
we they had a problem. And uh you know, I think that a
couple of a couple of people I can't remember may have been discharged, but
we had many of them pass and I remember several of them, you know.
According, well, I don't want to say that. Other people who
were there can sometimes remind me of others who had passed who had come through.
But uh, well, it was it was really something. It was
beautiful. I don't I don't know what to say. I wasn't. I
wasn't worried at that point. You know, it just felt like maybe I
was going to be slipping away, you know. Yeah, but so so
you thought you were not You thought you might be yeah going, Oh yeah,
that that is what I thought, and exactly I didn't know this until
later. But it's also what the doctor and I see, you nurse thought,
because I was literally seeing everyone who was dying on the ward around me,
none of which I had ever met in my life or knew or seen.
You know, ill was pretty yeah. But as they as they passed
away, I I could tell you who it was, not by name,
but I could tell you described I exactly and that they had just passed and
they were just coming by to see me. They were coming by to see
me. It's not that's not so that that must have changed. So you
mad, do you make like a miraculous recovery or how do you get because
you're you're you're you ended up out of I c U clear. I did,
I would miraculous, took a lot of it, took a lot of
work. Okay, so but you did, but you made a you made
a you made a good recovery. I yes, yes, I did.
I you know. I I think that in some ways, every year,
some things improved while other things deteriorate. That age is well yeah exactly.
So it's like I think that that's just the way it is. Yeah,
I'm thirty, I've I've retained a lot of youthfulness, and you know,
I used to hate it, but now I'm so grateful for it that you
know, as I get older, I'm like, I, I it's funny,
right because when we were younger, when we're younger, we we just
aspire to be our adult selves. And then when we get older, we're
like, if I can only go turn back time, right, But it
sounds like this moment, these moments in the ICU, really they had an
impact on your on your journey and what happened next, because inevitably you meet
these people. And I would like you two to kind of walk us through,
if you don't mind, to bring us back, us back to that
scenario and how to unfold it and you know the the mountain, okay and
how because so so you make a recovery, you come out of the I
c u U and I went to went to a rehab hospital. Then I
went home. I am. I spent six weeks in a physical rehabilitation hospital
trying to you know, get walking again and uh heel as much as I
could with physical therapy and rehabilitation every day. And then I go home and
I start. Uh. There were a couple of times that I heard someone
like a woman. I would hear her humming. I would hear her uh
like saying my name. I would hear her walking through the house. Sometimes
that sounded like there was literally like a chain between the wall, like you
could be in my room and then in the bathroom that was right next to
mine that it was my primary bathroom, and it in either one of those
rooms. It sounded kind of like a chain being just like moved around,
you know, very metallic chain hitting things sound. I think we all kind
of know what that sounds like. Very bizarre. I thought maybe we had
a plumbing problem. I wasn't the only one to hear it. There was
there were other people who were in the house that had experiences hearing the woman.
We saw and heard a boy. There was a young boy who was
coming to the house or showing himself and to multiple people. And then late
in twenty seventeen November time frame, I had a what I would call now,
I didn't know what to call it. Then I thought it was maybe
a nervous breakdown. I really didn't know, you know, because I had
never experienced something quite this immersive. But there was a I was watching a
Netflix movie with my daughter. We were actually I think I don't know if
we had actually started watching it yet. Or if we were just you know,
looking around kind of trying to figure something out and petting our cat.
We were in my bedroom and out of literally out of nowhere. I first
I got this this amazing, like overwhelming sense of love and warmth that I
had never felt in my life on this earth, you know. And I
was like, what is happening here? And I thought maybe I had had
a seizure, right because I have epileps And they thought, well, let's
let's think about this, or did you just have a seizure? And then
lo and behold, in the corner of my room, a being appears that
appears to be about four foot high with a lavenderish skin. I've drawn pictures
of it, and I'll be more than happy to send that to you,
Tyler, so you can put that in m Yeah, absolutely, also to
you. And the being began communicating to me, and my daughter's there and
I'm telling her, I'm asking can you see it? And she says,
no, I don't see anything. And I said, you know, am
I hallucinating? And she said, well, I don't know what's happening.
And so I said, well, the being is communicating with me, and
so I just began telling her what was being communicated to me via this consciousness
to consciousness, and we could spend probably an hour just talking on that message
itself. There are places online that that you can see those, and I
can give you some links to some summariesful. Yeah, they were telling me
that there are that there are some struggles that are coming to face, that
are facing us, facing humanity, and that the consciousnesses that are inhabiting this
biotech need to begin awakening to the to the reality that of their existence rather
than the illusion that's being projected to us. That we need to learn to
communicate with each other consciousness to consciousness, not that we need to stop the
spoken word, but that we need to be able to communicate, have conscious
communication with one another, because there are going to be events that are coming
up that will that will separate us technologically from one another in massive groups,
and that in order to stay informed, we we need to and to be
able to communicate with each other across the globe. We will need to rely
on conscious communication. And so he wanted us to begin preparing for that now,
preparing to learn consciousness communication, to be open to it, because it's
really less about learning and more about being open and grounded, and more about
your resonance and who what you're resonating with, and you know, to who
you may come in contact with. They he showed me or he she they?
Honestly, I don't know, and I'm not really sure that it matters
all that much. Uh. They showed me several other people who were they
would appear in the room, but like two of them were in a different
a different time like, so they appeared much like he. He appeared like
the being appeared in the corner of the room, meaning I'm seeing the being
and I'm seeing where the being is is geolocated. Presumably for all I know,
it was all just a projection. But what I do know is that
what they wanted to show was the being in a particular habitat, you know,
which looked like to be a craft with a particular astronomical planetary I was
assuming could be a moon, could be a sun body. I believe that
it's either a moon or a planet that was behind them. And and then
there was a gentleman that I appeared from another time, a woman that appeared
from another time, and then the child walked into the room, which for
me felt like it was saying therefrom this is from he is from the same
time, you know, because he walked right into the room rather than appearing
as somewhere else. And so this was like our first I want to say,
you know, really immersive, my conscious meet and greet. I guess
you would say, you know, where I was having an in depth conversation
with a being that I shouldn't have been able to communicate with, but that
was there and was telling me things that he didn't understand. And at one
point I went into automatic writing, and all I did was I I unfortunately
I haven't been able to find I've been looking for. But it was like
it was like I would make a dot, and then it would the pen
would slide to another dot, and then would slide again, dot dot,
you know, and make these little dots. Stopped drawing constellation. I well,
so I'm looking at it, and you know, later my daughter and
I are looking at it, and I'm trying trying to discern what the hell
this is. And I decided that I wanted to connect all the dots and
bend it in the order of the way that I had drawn it. So
we we put you know, one, two, three, four, five,
six, you know, on all the dots to the order of it.
And then we took drool wire and I built like a three D presentation
of what I saw and it was remarkable, and we were visited a couple
more times at the home before I went into the Mojave Mountain into the base.
So I had a couple of other in person contacts. Uh where I
was seeing a physical form, but I don't believe that it was actually physically
there, and I it was communicating with me. We had here we are
living in the Mojave Desert. We had one night, this is just kind
of an woo woo moment. We had an owl that was up in a
tree in We had a desert willow in the backyard, and there was an
owl that was in the tree, which is odd because owls burrow in the
desert. They aren't, you know, there aren't tree owls in the desert
now in the mountain areas of the desert mountains, yes, but where I
was, we should you know, it could have been just astray owl.
But we both noticed it and we were like, wow, you know that
this is incredible. And then that turned into the being sitting on the branch
essentially of this tree, and was the messages were very similar, the same,
you know as again just kind of reiterating that I needed to prepare and
that we need to do this, and humanity needs to do this, and
and it was again reminding me that we're all consciously connected. And it was
a very difficult time for me, you know, I was, how should
I say that, comforted by the fact that I wasn't the only one that
would experience this phenomenon. I was trying to figure out everything. At first,
what I honestly thought was I thought that I was probably the like the
butt of an experiment, you know. I thought that maybe I was being
targeted by some kind of advanced technology from one of our foreign adversaries, and
that I you know, because that's yeah, that's got to be going through
your mind as an ex absolutely intelligence officer, right is that's at least one
possibility, is that you're you're being deliberately manipulated. That's right. Absolutely,
I can tell you that there's no way to rule that out either, is
there There's no way I would say at this point probably not. That's right,
So it's always get back there, That's right. That's right. So
the next thing, you know, there's the the contact with the beings in
there there what I believe is an actual underground space. Now, at the
same time, I've always wondered when I was a child, was I actually
in the craft that was above our home or is the craft a portal to
somewhere else? Like when you're in the craft, are you really in the
craft or are you somewhere completely different? Right, It's like I can't ever
rule out that this could be some kind of experiment with advanced technology, something
that we're not aware of, you know, even at the intel level,
a lot of us, because I've I have talked to so many people and
nobody has heard of anything that that they're aware of, you know that that
can do this kind of mind manipulation, you know, not from the human
end. So oh, I had a point that I was going to and
suddenly I I just completely forgot it. The screen changed and I lost my
train of thought. Camera died. Uh oh god, damn it. Yeah,
I'm gonna put you full screen if you don't mind for just a minute,
and I'm gonna swap out and I'm gonna put the webcam on. Okay,
no worries. I'll create a marker. Yeah, good idea. God
damn it. This. I have two cameras, two DSLRs, and this
one works better with the work. It just works better with the system.
M hmm. But the other camera, it's battery life is much longer.
This one's a bit so it is what it is. Yeah, it lasts
a good amount of time in the field, so mumh And in the field
I can charge it on the go, yeah, but unfortunately for podcasts I
can't. Yeah. So now I get a restructure. Okay, h m
okay h h h kah h h mm hmm. Looks like garbage, but
I hate it. Oh all right, back again, now I have to
look straightforward, all right, Sorry about that. It's okay, No worries,
no worries. All right. So we're about to get to the Mojave
desert, Mohami desert. Yeah I remember, yeah, so continue, Okay.
So, just as when I was a child, and I was and
inside of the what I what I believe was inside of the craft, I
really don't know that that's where I was. I could have been somewhere completely
different. And I think about that from the transition from the tunnel into what
I whoops, so sorry about that. What I understand to be a base
was seamless. There was like a seamless transition. It was just there was
one place there's tunnel, and then the next place there's this material that is
not and so there was nothing that was like this big tadah, you know.
It was just suddenly there's and there were beings that were standing inside of
the only way I know how to call it, no to call it is
like an alcove of a domed area, a you know, a central area
where you can go several ways. There was the entrance where we were into
the tunnel, okay. Then there was an area next next to it that
was like a door that I believe was a door. I mean it could
have been, uh, you know, some kind of police system, you
know, like an elevator system or something like that. I have no idea.
Never never went in there, never opened, never saw it, but
it was right there. And then there was a hallway, and then there
was another one of those those arch doors, and then over here is a
completely black area. I can see nothing. It's just like just avoid it's
a void. Isn't that interesting? I've always wondered about that void. There's
nothing there. It's like just but there is I know in two that there
is something there, but I cannot see it no matter how hard I try.
Do you think it's some sort of advanced cloaking. Maybe I think that
it's like like you know, I go, you know, I end up
in the hall, going down the hall and going into another room, right
and in that room is it it looks like a medical room, like a
medical exam room, not like ours, but with similar things like the bed
that comes up out of the floor. You know, is it's obvious that
it's made for a human being or some kind of physical being. To may,
it's very obvious what it was. It came up out of the floor
beneath this like a some type of fixture that was that was over the bed
up and that had like light that came down that was the texture of mist.
But it was just light like if if light could be missed, that's
what it was. And I have a good You made that very visual.
I could good, I could, I could see it good. And so
you know how miss just kind of fades away, well the body and then
it just fades away. So it's just and I believe that it was some
kind of diagnostics. But the reason that I brought this up earlier, rather
than running through the conversation of everything, was because of that that dark area.
I'm on this table, right, and but I can see me.
They have literally removed my consciousness from my body, and the the lavender ish
being that I had been communicating with all this time was there and was communicating
directly with me. And I could also hear them communicating with one another.
And but I could hear it all in my mind, like nobody was actually
making auditory sounds or moving their mouths. They were consciousness to consciousness, and
that's what they were doing with me. And as long as it was about
me or important, you know, like about me, I think is all
that it needed to be. I could hear it because it wasn't like I
could hear everyone in the room, okay, right. It was focused.
It had thoughts, you know, but I wasn't hearing them. I wasn't
hearing any kind of intentional communication unless it was intentional communication, right. But
what I noticed while I was there was that from okay, so I'm I'm
supine, which means that I'm laying on my back. My feet are you
know, my toes are up, and I can see beyond before I'm removed
from my body, I can see that beyond the end of the bed and
up there's a set of windows that are like one way windows. You can't
see into them, but so like it wasn't necessarily a mirror, but they
were shaded in a way that I could not see anything behind them. And
here I am, you know, I'm in a room with multiple kinds of
beings around me. I believe, I feel like I can't quite get it,
but I feel like there were other humans in the room that were on
beds as well. I wasn't the only one there, okay, which they
have. They stressed to me many times, you are not alone, You're
not the only one. But I I find that so suspicious that there are
two things out of that that I can't see. It's behind those windows,
which I thought was intentional, and then this this just the sap this absolutely
that I also knew was intentional. I knew there was something there, and
I knew I couldn't see it. I think that that may have there may
have been an entrance there or something else there that has to do with human
beings, like actual consciousnesses in these particular bodies who were observing in the room,
and that may have been in that area, or for all I know,
they could have been just all standing there looking at me for all I
know. But I the logical part of me says, when all of this
is happening around me, who in the world would have to stand behind windows
and be unseen? The only thing I can think of is human beings other
And David Grush comes out recently, and you know, and it's been rumored
in the UFO community for for as long as I can remember that at one
point there was a meeting and there was an exchange for technology. So and
you know, some of this might be true some of it and it might
not be you know, some of it's folklore. But there is definitely precedence
for this, I mean, and now David Grush is coming out and saying
it that there is there's some sort of agreement between at least one form of
a non human intelligence that may not be alien but more interdimensional. So,
I mean, all the puzzle pieces are coming together, they sure are,
and it's actually quite stunning, right, So you think, so you think
people are observing. Yes, you know, probably the military or maybe the
shadowy governments that that that some very powerful people. You know, I can't
I would never be able to put a name to that that would that would
even be, nor should you because you couldn't know. But whoever it was,
it would it would have to be somebody that wouldn't want me to see
them and to have even a trace of that memory, and not just me,
but other other people that were there. I feel like there were two
other humans who may have been there, right, because that would stand out.
That would that would definitely stand out if you were being taken into some
sort of ado aductions, which is already weird enough, right, and you're
seeing these, you know, other beings that look nothing like us. If
you see a human, it's going to stick out like a sort thumb because
it's going to be something familiar and you're going to strap onto it. And
that's like I see them like a woman is closer, and then there's a
man, you know. And but there are different areas in between, or
you know, various what they call races and not species. They they call
humanity a race, not a species, which I find really interesting, really
interesting. It is, right, Like I'm still grappling with how to make
sense of that in my day to day life, you know, right,
right, Uh but uh it absolutely changed my life. Absolutely. My life
has never been the same. It wasn't. Go ahead, I'm sorry,
so and bring me back, Okay, bring me back into the cave.
Okay, the into this the base. Okay, we're in the base.
Okay, right, what was your Was there any sort of anything that stuck
out to you or anything that you can smell? These beings that you met.
It was a very clean and sterile environment. Everything, even the hallways.
You know, like I spend far too much so this was a facility.
That's right. I spend far too much time every week at the VA,
the local VA. I've been in many vas. Okay. I've even
been in you know, their multi billion dollar flagship in uh In in Aurora,
and you know a part of a suburb of Denver, Colorado. Been
there. There's art everywhere, Okay, I mean, we we like,
we like to make things esthetically pleasing. This place was sterile, Okay.
There was nothing. Walls are bare, there's nothing, there's nothing. This
place was sterile, okay. And why why did you go into who brought
you there? Well, that's that's more of the story that out of respect
for them, you know, I I will give you a summation, but
I want to make clear that they have never said that it didn't happen.
They just said that they don't remember it. They don't remember that, and
they have not found a tunnel on their property. Okay, so these are
you know, important details, which doesn't doesn't surprise me. H. It
did for a while. It even uh discouraged me. But I things have
developed in different ways since then, so we can see that we could see
and listen. Uh. I'm not going to say I don't want to say
this, but people in that circumstance, I think if if someone came knocking
was with a good amount of money, that's what they said. Yeah.
So we could leave it at that though. But but but see if you
could just do the summation part. Sure, absolutely. I am at a
coffee shop in the high desert and I was with a friend of mine.
We had just sat down and we're just having a pleasant conversation, I think,
just about the band that we had seen the night before, and the
weather had been really terribly, terribly windy the night before, like we were
going to go camping, and we ended up not doing that because it was
so incredibly windy because I love camping in Joshua Tree National Park, so I
had to bail on that, ended up doing something different and uh just got
got a hotel room. So anyway, we're having coffee and a couple walks
in and I noticed them because we like me and the gentlemen make eye contact
as soon as they walk in, and they just make a peel it over
for where we're sitting, and so, you know, my eyes never really
left them. I was just kind of, you know, watching them,
and I smiled and said hi, and they they came and introduced themselves,
and you know, we all struck up a really lovely conversation that ended up
on a discussion of aliens. That was how it was presented to me at
the time. I didn't understand what a misnomer that word is, and so
I apologize, you know, to everyone every time I use it, because
it is a misnomer. I yeah, if you actually go into the dictionary,
there's not a there is not a definition of the word alien that isn't
positive right connotation, that's right there is there's it's it's actually really discribed Tory.
Absolutely. If we do have these others, then we don't, then
then I'll call them the others. There are the others and told me give
me their name, yeah, which you might not ever get, but okay,
so hm, we were we were exchanging stories about our experiences and about
our health, and and he told me some some interesting facts that he later
shared, uh, some of them, but he does not remember talking about
some of the things that I remember us talking about. But he invited me
over to his his home that was just you know, not too far away,
and to meet meet the and to experience the the energy and healing properties
is I think one of the ways that he put it of of his his
land. And so I was like, well, he told me about this
tunnel that he had that he had dug and the circumstances around it, some
of his his contact with the beings, contact with them, uh, with
the craft and then exiting a craft and speaking to him, you know,
just various contact stories. And then he became you know, just adamant that
he needed to start digging this tunnel and he had the resources to do it.
I don't care what anybody says, who is who doesn't live in the
Mahave. You know, if you don't live there, I don't want to
hear it. Okay, because yes, a person can excavate a tunnel with
with equipment. It can be done. It's it's been done by hand.
It's it can definitely be done by excavation equipment. So absolutely okay. So
but regardless of that, So he said that, you know that he had
What I remember is that him telling me that that he had begun dugging this,
digging this tunnel, and that he had made a right hand turn,
and and then he gave up for that night. Next time he went back
the wall, you know, the the solid area of rock that he hadn't
excavated where he had planned to, you know, to make a turn a
right turn was suddenly open and there were the beings, and there were the
base, there was the entrance, and he said, he it takes time.
At this time, you already know that there's something else in the world,
like you already know that you've had encounters, You've I'm still looking for
evidence, you know, but but you were still curious, and you know
the story, the story intrigued you enough to to as a you know,
as your old job would say, to investigate it a little bit further.
Absolutely, absolutely, So it's it's safe to say you were curious and you
wanted to know more, and that you felt safe around, uh this person
enough to go onto the property. And we took precautions as well. So
you know, we took precautions. If I had had not come back out
of that tunnel, you know, there were several people who would have been
able to respond to that. So it was I did my due diligence myself.
Yeah, I mean, I worked intelligence. I'm not gonna go to
house without making sure that you know, I can get out of there,
contingency is in place. Yeah. Yeah, And it seems like I found
him as and trustworthy. You know, I didn't feel like there was anything
he was saying that was he was trying to pull my leg. His wife
was quiet, she spoke, she did, She was very supportive of him.
She didn't have any body language that suggested that she disagreed with anything that
he said or that she felt differently about it. They were quite in sync
with one another and incredibly friendly and nice people. Again again in your in
your expertise with the intelligence. There are no red flags coming up, and
you want to You're curious and you want to and you want to ex a
little bit further. And if what they're saying is true, I mean,
the implications are fucking insane. That's right, right, So I mean,
let's go. I'd be the first one to go to Yeah, I was
like, absolutely, of course. So we go to his property. He
has a couple of other friends that arrive. Before they arrive, he tells
me the story about teleportation, and he doesn't use that word. What he
says is he's just he nonchalantly walks over to this passage from one area of
the room to the other that I believe there was a wooden like a wooden
door, or I can't. I can't quite remember. There's a lot of
wood Okay, there's just a lot of wood in the area. And he
anyway, he hits like a beam above his head and he says, this
is he's standing right in the center of this walkway and he hits the beam
and says, this is where they put me back when they're done with me.
And I said, what what do you mean? And he said,
yeah, every time I've talked to them or met them. When when we're
done talking, I just end up right here. Yeah, Like suddenly he's
just right there. And so now I'm thinking, Okay, this either this
is going to be the greatest day of my life or you know, these
these people are out of there, going to be going to kill me.
It's gonna it's gonna get real weird, real quick. That's exactly right.
You're right, but I was, But I still I felt very comfortable other
than the story itself was it was weird. Yeah, after everything that I
have been through recently and having seen a craft as a child and knowing all
of this, I'm thinking, he if he could be telling the truth because
and and that's what I mean is you have this preconditioned truth to yourself that
you know we're not alone. You know they're interacting with other humans, so
there's credibility to that notion. And if you know, again, so this
all leads you and and and and if I was in your position, and
again, if if everything what you're saying is true, then I would absolutely
be geared up and and and uh and and doing what you're doing. And
I was in question about a second. It was like we're doing this now,
you know, let's go and and so his friends came over that when
they arrived, we went outside and we walked, and I this this part
I remember because I very clearly, because I was having such a difficult time
walking. I hadn't done this much walking since I for the last year,
you know, and I was in a place I was feeling better. You
know, I was feeling a little better right then, so I had been
a little bit more active, but I still wasn't uh you know, I
wasn't in any good shape. So I was I was struggling, and I
remember thinking to myself, Oh my god, I'm wonderful. I'm gonna make
it. You know, how embarrassed would I be if I need to stop
and sit? How do I tell them? You know, there's really nowhere
to sit. So it's you're talking about just like sitting down on the dirt,
which is fine, but I was like really trying. I was really
just trying. It wasn't I didn't want to be disabled, you know,
So I'm just like pulling out all my might and I start receiving messages,
like literally communication from various beings while we're walking, and like all of a
sudden, I got this hello that came in. It was so powerful and
overwhelming that I could I could feel it. It was like a feeling,
a pressure that was in the side of my head and my face, and
it was almost like tactile but and it was. It was like agreeting.
They were saying hello to me, and I threw my hands up to my
head and I was like, what the fuck is going on? You know?
Yeah? And so I'm sure most of your audience will have already known
this, but I have to disclose this because it needs to be addressed,
and it will be addressed in my podcast in a very deep way, and
I'm excited about it. But we before we left, right before we left
the coffee shop, he the gentleman that I was with, or excuse me,
the property owner. That gentleman offered me, uh some what I thought
was rosin. I guess they said that it was cannabis oil, and I
may not have. I had had live oil, okay, and I had
medical cannabis card. I was using it pretty pretty heavily. It had it
helped my rehabilitation. I would go to go through physical therapy and I would
literally take in as much cannabis as my body could handle and then go into
physical therapy and I could. I would. I would like to say this
there, if anyone tries to discredit your story because you smoked or ingested cannabis,
cannabis, sorry, the dog is barking them right now, let's see
him. Yeah, well in a minute's I don't know what he's getting all
upset about. But if anyone tries to just create it does not take rocket
science scientists to understand that you do not have hallucinations. I spoke and ingest
cannabis on a daily basis. You do not. If anything, you it
has only beneficial properties aside from when you do smoke it, you're smoking it
and it doesn't I mean, it affects your lungs in that way, far
less than tobacco does. But the cannabis use is now something is so widely
recognized as having tremendous UH medical purposes, but recreationally it's also acceptable. So
if anyone's going to sit there, just credit your story because you smoke,
or you or you you smoke a joint, or or you took some UH
cannabis oil before you before you hiked, and it is often used for pain
if it uses in that tinctures date or that oil state. So when I
take my hikes, I take my hikes in the morning, I bring out
a couple joints with me. I don't yeah, I mean, yeah,
you know, that's life. I have to tell you that nothing this is,
this is you know, I just sucked that you have to explain that,
you know, it does. But I think that we're we're really close
to that phase being over. I think the audience that really will entertain that
that is a very small audience, because, like you said, we have
more cannabis users now in the United States than we've ever had in the history
of the United States. The people who have medicinal and recreational U usage and
benefits and in all of its forms, okay, all kinds of concentrates.
And what you don't have is a lot of people like me walking around saying
that, hey, this started, you know before I was even you know,
ingesting any kind of cannabis product, you know, a year before,
and then then all of a sudden, you know, I think that we
would just have a lot more people having having those kinds of experiences. And
furthermore, what really I want to stress is that nothing was out of place,
Like nobody looked odd. I wasn't seeing any kind of visuals or you
know, people could have described like geometrics and shapes and prisons and you know,
in their field of vision and how everything looks like it's alive and moving.
And I mean, I've heard all of that stuff. Nothing like that
was going on. That's more common. I would understand, Oh, I
must be experiencing a side effect of whatever I just ingested. Nothing like that
was happening. I was fully aware of what was going on, of who
I was with. I was having conversations, I was listening to conversations,
I was participating, And then every once in a while I would throw my
hands up to my head and go, what the you know f is going
on here? Because I would get this morning. The closer that we got
to the tunnel, the more extreme it happened. So then we get there,
they pull back the tunnel. You get a whiff of the air,
go in and everything is the same. It's a dark it's it's dark,
it's cool, it's it's dirt and rocks, it's rustic there, smell like
like just like just like I mean it's just like the desert. Yeah,
yeah, nothing, no sulfur. I'm still thinking, no, nothing like
that. Like we're walking, I've found my my phone out, I'm using
the flashlight right, and I'm looking I'm watching my footing because they don't know
that I have a positive romberg, which means that when I think, when
I can't see very well, I can lose my balance. So I had
I was watching the ground and where I was stepping, and I was looking
up and they've got you know, they've got lights on. And I think
there was a flashlight, but there were headlights or you know, at a
headlands and ye, and all of that was completely normal. I mean,
I'm a lucid person walking through this tunnel. Thinking now, he says,
oh, there's you know, there's a light up ahead, that's where we're
gonna turn. And suddenly, you know, you can see a faint light
and we get closer and it's brighter and brighter, and I'm thinking he's pulling
my leg. I'm honestly starting to think he's pulled my leg. Right,
And because everything is fine, tie, nothing is weird. There's nothing that
makes me feel like I am out of place or I can't think. I
mean, I'm having very clear thoughts. We get there, we turn the
corner and they're standing there and I just stop, I stop, I come
to a halt for a second, and then they speak to me through conscious
communication and I think I knew it, and I just step into the into
the base, just step right in, no hesitation, none whatsoever. So
you take a oh yeah, you took a turn into oblivion. Yeah,
right, So so you you turned the corner and your face to face with
what there is a what I would call a small droid. And because I
don't believe that it's some kind of biomechanical avatar, I don't know if it's
being if there was a consciousness within it, or if it's like a remote,
if it's like a drone. Literally, you know, it was communicating
with me and was actually communicating with it with the other people that were telling
that were there. They I saw there were three tall what I now know
to be tall whites, But I wouldn't have called him that at the time.
I would have just said, you know, these tall, very very
pale blonde hair that's down near white, very beautiful. They look a lot
of like blue eyed, tall beautiful and dressed in clothes. They're wearing clothes
like they're wearing like the only thing I know how to compare it to would
be like like a wetsuit, you know, a cold wet suit, right,
you know, very something, very tight, very tight. And they're
telling him that he can't come in. He's arguing with them because he doesn't
want to leave me. He's telling them, you know, that he's responsible
for me and that he's not going to be the gentleman that brought you in.
Who who brought me there, that's right, And so he's saying,
you know, basically, I don't want to leave. Everybody else has walked
off. They like told them to go, and they were just like okay,
you know, and they literally walked out and walked I'm a presumed presuming
completely out of the tunnel. And the next time I saw them, they
were all in the house. But he said that he wouldn't leave. He
was, okay, fine, you can stay there. And so when while
I went and when I came back, he was still standing like I want
to say, almost like suspended animation. When I saw him, it was
like he was in the exact same position, the exact same everything expressionly,
it was just like suspended animation. And then all of a sudden, it's
like he looks at me, and when we make eye contact, he stepped
into the base and the next second we are in his his door, his
entryway, right there on the panel. Yeah, and he what the fuck
is just happened? And he says, and he he I remember him,
he was touching me. He said, what did they say to you?
What did they tell you? That's what I want to know. So at
that point I was incredibly overwhelmed by the entire experience. I was, I
believe, more than anything, in a state of shock. I I sat
down in a chair and just sat there, almost like feeling damn near catatonic.
I don't even know how else to explain in it shock I think I
think I was in shock. Yeah, So what they told me was that
that that there are there are cyclical changes that happen to the material the material
world or worlds. So we that humanity is about to go through an area
we're already in. Oh So, so it's always so hard to give the
elevator's speech that we're in in that we're we're in a in a place that
we have to learn and to grow and expand our consciousness essentially. Okay,
what the what the being had been saying in my room was expanding it upon
more deeply. In the base, I was told that we're coming up to
the end of a cycle, that that we have been in a cycle of
birth and rebirth. That we can choose at this time to continue in this
this material manifestation, this particular manifestation in this world, or we can choose
to transcend into the next the next manifestation, uh, physical manifestation that we
take that Uh, that it's all natural, that essentially it's it's been designed
this way for our conscious development so that we can fully awaken and to fully
realize, come into our full self realization, and return back to where we
came from. Rom And that this is a temporary learning experience, and that
they because of what we're about to go through at the end of the cycle,
that there are some there are going to be some trials and tests that
we go through that are meant to give us options or choices about if we
want to serve ourselves or if we want to serve others, if we want
to you know, continue in this material uh, experience, or if we're
looking to transcend to the next, what is it that we're that we are
trying to accomplish. Reminding us that that we're not necessarily that the body may
be of the earth, but that that that the consciousness itself is one with
absolutely everything, and that we're just having these these very low, localized,
enhanced experiences. So we're part of a greater collective that is able to have
a very localized experience, and that gives us this sense, this identity of
tie and angulee. But then it's only temporary. It's the shared it's almost
a shared experience for a absolutely in a way, it's it's like creation,
yeah, and and and and and and it makes sense because if you think
about humanity, right, humanity has developed and if you want to say this,
if you want to go with this route, evolved, I think because
on the cosmic scale, people don't realize that the brain size of Homo sapien
sapien basically just doubled overnight on a cosmic scale. I mean, it took
thousands and thousands of years, but it essentially right, and all of a
sudden, where this material all we want to do is build and create,
and we keep looking to the stars. And it's like we have this obsession
with returning to the stars. And in all of our religious texts that talks
about you know, transcending this this mortal realm and and going to the next
and you know all we could talk about it for years and you know,
yeah, and and and it's funny because I think, I think, I
think the religions of the world, they all have a little piece of the
puzzle. And I say with the US, the same with the UFO community.
If it once we step back and we realize that we've been factionalized and
pitted against each other, right in order to distract keep y right, prevent
event from prevent us from working together and awakening. And do we want to
just create the next iPhone? Because we're done evolving physically. We've over the
top of the food chain. So now our evolution either goes to wins,
right, It either goes into this mysterious illistic you know, merge with AI
route, or we transcend and evolve our consciousness. And like you said that,
there's the materialistic way where we merge with technology in my mind, and
then there's the consciousness evolving route where we raise our frequency as a as a
species, as a race, and we that that's my eye, that that's
at least my opinion. I'm not sure, you know, if I enjoy
it. Yeah, yeah, So, I mean it's funny because Linda moultonile'
is a good friend of the show, and she really talks about that.
She yeah, she talks about the Tall Whites a lot. So how many
beings were there, I couldn't tell you. I'm going to guess somewhere between
twenty and forty were in the room. It was very a very large room.
When I say room, it's I mean it's like I would I would
consider it to be akin to like a surgery theater, you know. So
that's yeah, that's that's kind of the feel of a large room an observatory
above. You know, typically you can see who's observing you there you cannot
Typically you're not surrounded by, you know, beings that appeared to be,
you know, of non human nature. So, I mean, there were
definitely some things about it, but I as soon as I stepped in,
I was completely comfortable. I think that that's called visits had been or absolutely
I had no hesitation whatsoever. Right right, you said that, you said,
yeah, no hesitation at all to walk in there. And so so
now now you're sitting on the couch and you're trying to process which just happened,
and you're in a catatonic state. I feel I don't know that I
was actually in that state that I could not externalize very much because my mind
was just like, what happened? What didn't you Just you know, I
was trying to make sense of what I understood and what I couldn't remember,
and I was I was trying to figure out in that moment if it had
happened, or if I was the subject of some kind of experiment. That's
sort of yeah, there's one of two options. Yeah, right, it's
one. It's one of the other. It was genuine or it was some
sort of really dark, dark experiment, and and and and sadly, again,
you cannot technically count that out because you know, there's there there's a
history of this kind of miss mistreatment towards UH military and and and government officials.
You know, we talked about Havana syndrome and and other you know,
direct energy weapon uh thing uhuh attacks on on people, and it's it's just
it's a really it's still kind of what they're calling pseudo science, but I
think it's becoming more real. But all right, after this, I mean,
this must be this must be a lot to happen all at once.
So, I mean it must have taken you a while to process. But
what inevitably led you to come out and sit in front of the Lincoln Memorial
and and do what you did? That takes takes takes balls. Well,
I I have I have a lot of a lot of that apparently, you
know. I I'm a very courageous person. They asked me to They asked
me to come forward. They told me that it was time to do it,
and that it was they. I tried to fight, you know.
They they wanted me to go to d C. I wanted to do it
at Mount Rushmore because it was just so cool, yeah and it was just
down the street. Yeah, But they wanted me at the Lincoln Memorial and
they wanted it in. They wanted me to tell, to unveil basically who
I was, to almost dissolve who that was, so that I would have
no hesitations. It was like a cutting of ties essentially, by coming forward
and telling going public and giving my alphabet soup of credentials. I knew who
I was. I understood. It's like it all came together and I was
like, I see, you know, I understand what you're doing now,
Like, yeah, you know, you understand that who you're talking to now.
And I realized that I didn't know this until the press conference was beginning,
that I was there to talk to d C, not to the public,
that I was there to talk to my peers and to the military and
the federal government. And so that's what I did. I and I cut
my tie by revealing everything that I did, about the kind of work that
I had done, and who I was, everything every school I had ever
attended, from elementary on up, you know, two to sever like,
there's there's nothing you can do to prevent this from happening now because I have
dissolved my who I was in this moment, bye bye, essentially handing it
all over to everyone and saying, here, take me, do what you
want. I relinquished. This is all worldly bullshit. I don't need any
of it because listen to what I've got to tell you now. And so
it was for me, it was a it was a shift in in Before
and After and yeah, so that's that's how that ended up happening. They
we began planning it in June and told people in July and then executed in
August. So how did you go about because you know, you weren't It's
I'm not saying this in a bad way. It's not like you were known,
right because you were this is your coming out. Nobody knows as Yeah,
well yeah, I mean I don't. It's we're all there at one
point. So what what sources did you use to get the story out there
enough to where people were going to want to show up? Did you use
things like Reddit? Twitter? Uh? Reddit and Twitter? I think I
might have mentioned it on LinkedIn, word of mouth? That was that was?
That was really really it. I I did release Uh, we did
release a press release. We knew that it wasn't going to get much traction.
I they the beings themselves, they they prepared me for what it was
going to look like, but they weren't. They weren't telling me everything.
It was like they were holding pieces of it back. So I didn't know.
You know, I knew that there weren't going to be a lot of
people there. I didn't realize that I was there to talk to DC.
You know, I was hoping that there would be more people than there were.
I didn't realize that somehow the permit that I had applied for and had
received, somehow they didn't have record of it. I'm and it was like
all of it was just it was shocking. It was a shocking day.
As soon as as I began talking, like I said, I just came
into a flow and and I felt like I was able to convey what they
were communicating accurately. So yeah, and I mean it was widely reported on
in the UFO community, and you know, people like John Ramirez of the
CIA have backed you up. And yeah, you know, I know there
was kind of an issue with the property owner and that's why you legal concerns
you Yeah, mon so, So I think those two things go hand in
hand really, right, So what are the next stages for this, because
we're still in the cycle. We can see that we're teetering. We are
teetering on the edge. Oh yes, world War three right now? No,
No, no, we're yeah, we're not trying to makes a move
on Taiwan. It's over. It's what it will begin properly, and I
think done, and that what is actually going to happen is that something will
happen that will end it. And that's what we should be more concerned about.
It's how quickly it may end, rather than where we are in it.
Because it started a couple of years ago, Tie, I was watching
the ramp up of it back in twenty fourteen. By twenty seventeen, I
thought, within the next few years and it was you know, twenty twenty
two when I would feel comfortable saying, okay, we are now in a
hot war. Where we are now, this is World War three. We
have we have stopped, you know, the build up. We're in it
now, and it's being fought in ways that are not traditional traditional and are
also being kept very much under under wraps in the American media. You know,
be just if we you know, uh, just keep watching it because
our television shows and you know, for the American public, it's out of
sight, out of mind, right, that's everyone's quick. Everyone's quick to
put a Ukraine flag on their on their doorstep, and and and then walk
away and then and then like I did my and and put a put a
filter on their Facebook profile picture. Like I did my part. I I
I contributed, Okay, I mean I get it. You know it is.
It is And I'm not saying it's not something that we should do by
Yeah, there are we. We we do need to get more involved in
our future because we did not give so someone already. How are we a
species that doesn't know its own origin story? Right? Why? Why and
and why are we selling off our sequel to the military industrial complex. Who's
who gave them the permission? Yeah? Who gave them permission to keep these
kind of just like we're paying for the secrecy to be kept upon us.
Yeah, we are. We are actually funding it. We made our currency,
we assigned, we attributed value to it, and then we so we
made it, this this made up thing that suddenly can control our lives,
and we give it away for free. Yeah, it's wonderful. Well spend
like I said, We'll spend billions of dollars in Ukraine. But uh,
you know, back home, we have tense cities and all major cities and
in our southern border. It's just absolutely a mess right now. And uh,
the immigration and I don't want to get into politics again, but we
have a lot of problems at home, And I just think, you know,
we need to start focusing because when you say that we have problems at
this home, you know at home, well, you're only saying that because
of the faction of countries and borders. The truth and these are again imaginary
lines exactly that have been We are one race, that's right, like you
said earlier. So what are the next steps for you? How do we
how do we get what your original mission was done at a different location.
How do we get it done? How do we get more information out there?
I think, well, one of the things that I have upcoming is
and I know I've been saying this for a little while and everybody just has
to be patient with me because I've had some help obstacles that I'm you know,
I'm still battling actively every day. So it's been a little delayed.
But I have a podcast that is coming up. It'll be a well produced
podcast with we will in depth go into every message that that is of any
value that I have received and that I receive will be discussed in depth from
a scientific and a spiritual, a materialist and a physics level, so that
we can together try to bring our resources and our minds to think about this
same this one thing that is really the only thing we're thinking about, and
that is what what are our origins? Why are we here? And you
know, who are we? Who? Who are we? Actually? Is
there? What is you know? Where's the line between body, mind and
spirit? What is consciousness? How is everything alive? How could we have
other beings that are existing right here with us that not everyone can be or
has have been aware of? How do these things happen? What are the
cycles that we go through? Are they spiritual? Are they physical? Are
they material? You know what exactly are they? We're going to look at
all of those things and unpack them with some very sublime guests that I'm excited
to have on the show, so that that'll be I'm hoping that that'll that
we will be able to release the videos this year, like in twenty twenty
four, that we will get up and moving. I think, you know,
they keep telling me, oh, it's going to go a lot faster
than you think it does, and I'm kind of like, I've heard that
before, you know what I mean, And so it's like, don't tell
me, show me, show me how fast it's going to go. So
you know it's going to go as fast as as as as it should,
and I think that we need to listen to me and listen more to the
fact that they are moving and happening every day and have it on pretty good
authority that is actually speeding up. And so I understand what my role is
in this, and so I'm just going to be amplifying that. I what
an absolute group brilliant way to end it. I think that's an amazing,
amazing thing. And I'm gonna be traveling a lot this summer for conferences and
filming, uh, various projects. So if you're in Hollywood when I'm there,
I'll make sure to We'll make sure to stop by. Wonderful I would
love that. But you're you're an amazing my area. You know, if
you come, if you do any cross country driving, let me know.
And uh, you know, absolutely well stick around, stick around after the
credits roll, and uh, I do have a couple of questions to ask
you before you go. So no, it was great to have you on.
And do you you know, I know you have social media or do
you have social media anymore? Yes? I do. You can find me
on Twitter, on YouTube. I don't really use Rumble and and Instagram yet
but of course all these things will be changing, they will be developing.
But my handle is always Angulie on Gaya. So just one word on Gaya
so at me absolutely yeah, and uh you've been an absolutely like I said,
fantastic guests, and you're always welcome back on the show. And I
really I really yeah, I really look forward to, uh, you know,
any conversations that we get to have in the future, and you know,
if there's anything that we could work on together, you know, I'd
be game for that. So uh that ladies and gentlemen, you know I
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