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We're finding stuff with this equipment that when we go out and we talk with
other parties who've been using this technology for twenty plus years, like Pete and
he's going, have you ever seen this before in any of your equipment?
And they're all going, no, what are you doing? Right? You
know, it's where yeah, yeah, yeah, where are you doing this
stuff? And now I think where is this coming from? Because yeah,
this does not look yeah. And so that's what's been really fun is seeing
again the third party experts coming out even today and the equipment that they're willing
to bring or the updated equipment from the past model. So it's even better
than what we did before, right, and this stuff still gets us those
these crazy results. All right, guys, welcome back to Total Disclosure.
My name is Ty I'm the host of the show, and we're here tonight
with one of my favorite guests and he was actually one of my first guests
here on Total Disclosure, Caleb Bench, who is a part of the show
of Skinwalker Ranch Caleb Bench, and he's just a great guy. We're gonna
get some insight from him what to expect from this season season five histories.
I believe number one show if not number two show, and with their new
spin off Beyond Skinwalker Ranch, there's just so much content that the boys are
kicking around. So we're gonna get Caleb in here just now and we'll be
talking to him. Today's show is brought to you by identity of Herbels by
a Mind, So we'll be playing that clip a little bit later. For
now, let's welcome mister Caleb Bench. How are you doing, brother good?
How are you doing? Ty? I'm doing you know, I'm doing
I sometimes uh these So right after Thursday night, I recorded my interview with
Grant Lovac and I went to bed and then I started waking up every hour
on the hour, and it like I was waking up in like apocalypses and
yeah, yeah, it was like the weirdest thing too, Like it was
it was a fresh new horror each time I went to bed. And then
as I woke up, each time I could feel like something was not right,
something wasn't right, like not. And I have crones, so I'm
very used to pain. St like pain pain. Anyone with the stomach disorder
will tell you that. I mean stomach discomfort. Stomach pain is uh is.
It takes the cake, and man, I wasn't I just I couldn't
even move. I stood up Friday morning, I felt I fell over and
the dog like had to come over to me. It was terrible. It
was I I don't recommend it to anybody. Nine out of ten dentists do
not recommend COVID. So don't don't get it, guys. It was terrible.
Uh. And I'm still I'm still hazy. But let's let's not waste
too much time. Uh. You've been busy, uh over this past summer
with filming obviously the new season, overall overall hot things go. You know,
a lot of people have a lot of expectations because it's like where can
you go from here? Kind of thing? And Uh, I guess there's
one question I can't wait to get to. But I think there's something lingering
and you know, uh that that we just we we hope and I I
can't wait to talk about that with you. So you haven't made any discoveries
of alien technology, uh in the MESA formally, so I'm assuming Uh No,
No, no UFOs were found on property. No, not yet.
Yeah, I can say that, but we did find some really interesting The
search continues, Uh, and will continue this year to the best of my
knowledge at this time. Yeah, well that's that's what I mean. Yeah,
really season up until season four, I think a lot of people,
you know, so the the real the build, so the building up towards
or build from season four at least onward. Uh, is what's going on
inside the Mesa. And I think a lot of people want to know,
like, you know, are we going to get closer to answering that question
this year? So I didn't mean that like you didn't do it yet,
But that's that's what's on a lot of people's mind. And I think the
series it looked, you know, the you know, you guys have the
name plate each year, this one is the Mesa on it, I believe.
So it seems that the series is aiming at the at the Mesa a
lot. Yeah, yeah, there's a lot of focus on the Mesa.
I can tell you spent. I can tell you we spend a lot of
time filming season five in regards to what's going on in the Mesa. And
we had some really crazy stuff happen in regards to drilling itself and some surrounding
activity as well. Because we're not just when we're drilling, We're not just
we're not just waiting for the drill, right, which we do that a
lot, but we're going, Okay, what else can we fill our time
with? And so we're trying to do some other stuff and and we came
up some pretty interesting ideas. So, and I will say kind of a
little teaser that one of the things that actually made me a little bit more
creeped out and actually or actually like took a little step back thinking about stuff
happened when we were drilling. Really so yeah, it was something that really
made me go, you know, kind of go oh geez. Yeah,
that was crazy. That was if it's what we think it was, it
was, that's it was dangerous. And I've been told they're going to show
that situation. And and I actually have a something that happened to me a
couple of years ago that I think is very similar to so uh and when
that comes out, I'll talk I'll be able to talk about it a little
bit more. Yeah, well, so it sounds it sounds. I mean,
I I just deducing. I think I I can not. I mean
not that I think I'm a wizard or anything, but uh, I think
I might know the track that you're talking about, and uh if if Yeah,
So there's just a lot of mystery that that that mesa holds. And
I think, you know, even since episode one, you know, I
remember Brandon showing Travis the clip in in the office in the in the Salt
Lake City office of the light over the mesa. That's still one of my
favorite sightings UFO sightings that that's documented because just because the way it looks,
the way it the way it comes over the mesa like it's it's eerie,
and those kind of things continue to happen over that mesa. And you know,
the naysayers was saying nay, But you guys have been out there to
date. How many UFO sightings have you had, either on or off camera?
Oh? A lot. You're gonna see some new ones obviously this next
upcoming season. Obviously Is it that obvious at this point? Yeah, you're
with some with some of the stuff. It's I think it's at this point
it's so hard to refute, I think. And I was actually going through
some photos on my phone and I don't even know if they're going to show
this this one. So I'm excited because there's It's just one of those things
that we've kind of talked about over the last couple of years as a team.
Is there so much going on a lot of times when they're filming,
and like we forget a bunch of the surrounding stuff. And so like a
personal project that I've been doing to try and show that is I've been working
on a book and kind of it's kind of like a journal, if you
will, is kind of how I'm doing this, where it's just like,
you know, this happened, say twenty eighteen and then and I was on
the ranch first twenty seventeen. Halloween was my first day, right, and
so and I'm kind of going from there and just trying to go through and
put things in order as best as I can remember. And I got a
bunch of photos and I've got a bunch of videos and stuff that kind of
do that. And what I'm trying to do is like show this all these
things in chronological order. Is in like a journal might sound like a police
report a little bit too, just because that's how I'm so used to typing
things now, but it's it's just most things so like and that's kind of
coming back to the mm hmm. This example of something that happens in season
five when we're out drilling. It was broad daylight when this thing happened.
Okay, can I ask you this? I won't. We won't. I'm
not trying to get you in trouble with history. Was but was it a
moment like let's say, let's say from zero to ten, is you know
something zero is so mundane? You know, lights in the lights in the
distance too, like a shatter of reality. To ten, there's potentially some
of that. So there's a there might be a ten there, I I
think, So there's still some stuff we're trying to wrap our heads around that.
I didn't just have one thing. It was multiple things. So this
is an event that happened to multiple people, not just so this event that
I'm in that I'm referencing to while we were drilling. It was again it
was broad daylight. And it's pretty damn hard to refute any thing that happened
there. I saw this myself. It was again, this is broad daylight,
and it was something physical as well. Is all I can say at
this point. But this is the thing. Is one of the pieces that
you see that I'm sure if they got up in close and personal on this
stuff. I think it's something that I experienced personally a couple of years ago.
And I don't want to give too much way there, but essentially it
was one of the injuries that I've had out there. Yeah, and so
but when again this is again this was broad daylight, and I'm I don't
know how much of it they're gonna show, because again, there was so
much stuff going on, and when we finally kind of realized, oh,
this is something serious, like there were all these other things that happened,
so it's pretty yeah, and that again that was just one thing, and
yeah, it's just this whole next season is gonna be it is gonna blow
people's minds away. And and then kind of coming back why I'm trying working
on the project that I'm doing. I've been debating on do I wait till
season five comes out and then go through and talk more about some of that
stuff, or do I just go up to like I'd go to season five,
right, and if you're saying that it's this much of a game changer,
and if you truly feel that way, then I would wait because you
know, of course the show is doesn't seem to be slowing down in any
of its efforts, So you'll always have that same excuse in your head,
you know, should I wait? Should I wait? Should I wait?
Should I wait? You know, So I'd say season five might be a
good point to say, let's let's do this. Yeah, you know,
And that's my thought is, uh, I've been out there now six seven
years, and I feel like, you know, after last after this time
period, I've had so many experiences off the off camera on camera. Some
of them are some pretty disturbing ones are off camera, so I'll have testimony
of it. And that's I was gonna say that that that Another thing that
you know, we've you and I've talked about is a lot of the stuff
that you've done that is off camera just because something else is going on or
this and that, or it was just wrong time, wrong place, And
you know it's like, guys, remember we're there for this many hours,
but we're only rolling for this many like things go on all day, so
yeah, and you don't catch everything. No, So like I'll give you
an example. This just happened to me a couple of weeks ago on the
ranch. Eric and I were the only two on the property at that time.
It was still kind of cold out here January February time frame. It's
been a lighter winter though, so it has been too terrible. But still
it's just me and Eric and I go out and I take my computer.
I take a bunch of stuff with me, because when I'm out on the
ranch, I do a bunch of different stuff. There's some other personal projects
that I work on and things like that when I'm in loud to doing like
the security stuff out there. But essentially, I walk into homestead one where
I'm going to have my security office at this point, and I set my
computer down, I set all my stuff down, and I go back out
to my truck to grab some water or something. And I walk back in
and i'd set my computer. I have like a laptop fan thing that I
set my computer on top of the help it keep cool, you know,
kind of thing. But I just set everything there on the table. I
hadn't plugged it in or anything like that. And I walk in and my
laptop's open and it's off, and so I'm like, this is one of
the things that we described to all the time, like things move, stuff
like this happens where we're like, did I like open that before I walked
out? Yeah, so there's that other story about the glasses, right,
Yeah, so same exact thing, like I lost my sunglasses and then three
days later I'm walking in and they're sitting on the steps walking in that you've
walked past nine hundred times and yeah that you weren't there. Yeah, and
it wasn't just me that walked by there. Someone would have picked them up,
right, It's so buddy, Yeah, they were right. And so
I'm sitting here going, Okay, you gotta be kidding me. And then
I want to say that was actually in conjunction to something that Eric experienced within
a couple of days or something like that, like a day or two,
and he was actually having an interaction with some of the insiders talking about that
specific type of phenomena that we experienced. Yeah, it was so the night
before that happened, Eric was talking with a bunch of the insiders on our
website about there's one of the stories way back in the Sherman days where the
wife is experiencing this type of stuff and the same building that this happened with
my laptop, by the way, where she's bringing in like groceries and she's
putting them away, and then she walks out and walks back in, and
all the groceries are back in the backs type of thing, and she's going,
what is going on? Am I losing my mind? Right? And
then what happens. And the story that Eric was relating to the insiders was
where the farmer's out or the rancher and he's fixing fence and he's got one
of these mechanica mechanical posthole digger, so this seems like seventy five pounds,
and he sets it down someplace and goes to fix some other fence or do
something, and then comes back in the post hole digger's gone or the post
hole pounder, I can't remember which exactly, but he then comes in and
he's mad. He's like, okay, who moved it? You know?
His at that time he had nephew living there, and I think one of
his own kids or something. But essentially, all these people are sitting around
the dinner table that night and he comes in and the ranch is mad.
He's like, I'm trying to get work done, you know, and who's
moving my stuff? And everyone's like no, and this actually prompts the wife
to you know, that you're not the only one experiencing this kind of stuff.
And he's like what, And you know, because these are at that
time, you know, the earth people that are just trying to make living
and work in their ranch, right, so they've been kind of putting stuff
outside their mind, like no whatever. And but essentially, like a couple
of days later, he finds this piece of equipment like up in a tree.
And I'm not talking like a little twenty foot tree, these these giant
cotton ones that we have out here on the ranch. You know, these
things are sixty feet tall. So it's and and then kind of come back
to what I experienced with my laptop, and like Eric was talking about that
kind of thing like the night before with these other with the insiders, and
so it was just one of those things like that kind of thing. Yeah,
this is a great word for it. And it's actually been one of
those things that we've talked to as about as a team. And that's the
game why we're doing the website to be able to talk about this and give
more of that full picture to everybody, right right. And then another you
know, and that's the game. Why I'm working on that on my book,
I guess because there's so much stuff that now it's like put yourself in
the position of that you experience something and you never know if you're going to
experience it again and then and sometimes it takes year, weeks or months ory
at this point, sometimes years for some of this to come together. And
that's where I've been really excited because there's gonna be some stuff you guys see
in season five that for me was very personal because I experienced something like twenty
eighteen and all I have is a story at this point. But now some
of the stuff that we're going to be showing is actually I think evidence that
ties back to some of that stuff. Oh well, I really actually I
really look forward to diving into that and what that is when it when it
comes out, of course. Yeah, And that again comes back to this
one thing that I'm thinking of in regards to drilling that personally that happened to
me too, so I think they're connected that way. Well, So how
much drilling? How much drilling did you guys do this year? I mean,
was that but so was it one project that was spread out throughout the
whole season or is it multiple uh various site site starts points. I'm sorry,
I'm too many little here? Where was it that kind of thing?
Because I think, you know, people want to know if uh, you
know, you guys really focused on it or are you guys kind of still
trying to figure out where you want to go in from and how is it
going to be feasible? You know, are you are you drilling sideways now
rather than in? So I'm not going to go to end depth on some
of that stuff, but I'll say what I will say, multiple locations.
We we did explore multiple locations. We're still trying to like what we said
in season four, We're still trying to do like a like a present precision
search right now. So it's not like we're doing crazy excavation or anything like
that. But I will say at the drill site, it was pretty intensive
and we were there for quite some time. And you're listening to a lot
of that. Have you guys, why haven't you why I've been dying to
ask this that there's some sort of the cave system on the branch. Why
have so? Is there a reason you guys haven't explored it more? On
the show the cave system the Yeah, so they brought Carl the Crusher into
it. Okay, so that's actually something that we're still trying to confirm at
this point. Is Okay, we've gotten some information and we do have some
evidence that show potential cave systems, right, so it's still still hypothetical.
Yeah, so technically it's still hypothetical at this point. But that's again why
we're doing some of these, uh some of these exercises and more in depth
that we're what you're going to see this upcoming here too. I was gonna
say, because you know who knows where those lead and if they can get
you closer into where you're trying to get to, and I don't know if
I don't know if that's how it lines up where it could be possible,
but you know it could be worth exploring, you know. Yeah. So,
and what I'll say too is like I just noticed a comment, and
this guy's correct. I think it was up at Maconkie Ranches where Carl the
Crusher actually went. But was it not even on that I don't think so.
So. And Carl he's a good friend. I know he's been doing
a lot of work at Mount Wilson Ranch down Mount Wilson. Yeah, they
found some pretty cool stuff this last year. He told me so, And
I've been trying to get down there, but it just hasn't worked out just
yet to go do some work with Carl on that. But what I can
say is the basin as a whole, there are a lot of underground water
systems that we do know about, so and we do know something like that
is underneath the ranch. But to say that there's like caves or something that
like what people are thinking of, I'm sure in their mind is like something
that we can go walking down. I know, we've got a lot of
stories of people that walk into these caves and they can go for hours and
hours, right and they're just walking down the stomachs. We haven't found anything
like that. We have found some pockets, if you will, and some
of our exercises, but nothing that we've been able to get really get into
like that. There have been there are some things. I would say,
we have some good leads at this point, but you're and you're going to
see some of that process of what we're trying to do with some of that.
But I can tell you in some of the surrounding area. I have
been in caves that are in the basin, and again, this isn't just
obviously Skinwalk Branch is a big focal point. But again, like if anybody
basin in general, Yeah, the Basin in general has a lot of stuff
going on. I've been on multiple hikes and multiple tracks or if you will,
and exploratory hikes with some good friends like Tom. I've gone up with
Tom. You're gonna bring me on one right when I come right, and
you're going to bring me on the You ever make it out here, I'll
fly out tomorrow. This week will be a little bit hard. I'm kind
of being stay at home dad this week. So I know, you actually
told me that. That's so cute. Man. Uh, I'm so glad
for you. Yeah, I'm so glad things are working out for you.
Yeah. So I think there's actually this big I you know, it just
dawned on me. Did awaken and get canceled? Yeah? So I just
found out myself on Friday. Yeah, it's kind of it's very disappointing.
It's not a terrible April Fool's joke like some people are thinking. Yeah,
from my understanding, and I don't I don't know other from you know,
some secondhand information at this point is that there was some IP issues that came
up and they're trying to work on getting some of that resolved. From my
from some of the information I've been given, so there's still a possibility that'll
it'll come up. So I'm not sure though, Well, yeah, because
I saw that and it was like literally like the headline was, hey,
this is not an April Fool's joke, like please don't interpret like, you
know, because a lot of my friends in the UK, we're really excited.
Yeah, So I'm sure, like when I'm gonna get I'm gonna speak
with Tom again sometime this week, and we're always thinking what what can we
do? And and so I'm i'm sure with some of the success that they
had because Tom and Travis and American Bryant they went on some like a mini
tour last November in some American cities and they had a lot of success there.
So I'm I'm I'd love We've all talked about that we'd love to be
able to go over and see the fans in the UK or Australia because I
we know we have a huge following over there, and you know, we've
had we've we've had people I've personally spoken to people at the front gate from
Australia and from other countries because of what they're seeing on the show, and
people are spending all this money to come and see us, and I'm like,
you know, I think it's a disservice to those people and the fans
over in these other countries that if we were able to get over and try
to do some events for them, if we don't do it, you know.
So it's a thing that you know, like even I'd say every UFO
podcast, at least every good one, the top three or four countries are
always United States, the UK, Australia, and Canada. They're always there.
So you know, North America, yeah, it's always number one in
ratings and all like that. But these other countries have huge markets for it
too, And you guys are just as big around the world. I mean,
so you guys are History's number one show, right, Yeah. I
believe we're number one now, I have been for a couple of years.
I think I know that for a year or two we were kind of bouncing
or kind of trading places with Oh Island was it or something, and yeah,
yeah, we're at We're the we're at now. We're the biggest show
that they have right now. I know, I know we're big in like
Brazil and South America. We've we had a couple of people during Phenomicon come
up that we're from South America and they were all telling us everybody goes nuts
for it down there too, Like everybody's talking about it down there, which
I wish i'd Spanish, I'd go down there too, you know. Well,
I uh, Phenomicon's and other that's one that I have on my list
this year as a as a as a I won't miss opportunity. So I
can't wait to hear about here about that and uh so, and that's going
to be so much fun because of all the stuff that's coming out in season
five. Yeah, that's I'm super excited. So so you and I decided
that we're gonna do a little segment and I was going to uh test you
on your knowledge JOm, just kidding. I would never do that to anybody.
So we're going to watch the trailer for season five and then we're going
to kind of go through it and uh, you know, not shot for
shot, but kind of react to it in the so it the interview,
soh my god, the show, Yeah, I have covid brain. The
show airs April twenty third, episode one, right, so everyone can gear
up for that by rewatching either this interview or this trailer. So can you
hear it? Yeah? We are on the cusp of discovery the Secret of
skin Ranch. The world is watching this season on this Secret of Skinwalker Ranch.
We need to flux Skinwalker range with instruments. Maybe we send one point
ghurts. Any this is unlike any experiment we've done before. Doctor coming down.
Oh my god, is there some visible force causing this to happen?
What is inside the mesa? It's like jelly. I don't know what the
hell that is? The data chows the triangle. It could be a wormhole.
No wait, I don't think the public is ready for. What you
got is the military letting us know we're being watched, that they know something
we don't. What is that? The Secret of Skinwalker Ranch new season premiere
is Tuesday, April twenty three to ten. A part of History Strange and
Unusual only on the History Channel. All right? Allow, so that ish
that is so so First thing that registered was was that a jumbo jet coming
over the MESA or was that? So? I mean I could freeze frame
that and zoom in, so I'll find out no matter what. So if
you if you don't want to, if you if you can't, say,
it's okay. Now. So that was a clearly marked and nighted States Air
Force. Uh, seventeen is what I've seen in the comments. You know,
it's it was new enough. It didn't have the turbine engines that I
used to seeing on a lot of like C type cargo planes like that.
It was jet engines on it, and it was it was very quiet.
Yeah, I mean obviously you know you're over The editing team didn't overlay on
it, and they probably muted all the clips, but yeah, I didn't
hear any propellers or anything like that. I'd be really really interested to see
when that happens, because now we've gone from two kind of obscure but overd
nighttime flyovers two now broad daylight. Yeah, so you know this is so
I would say that there's definitely been some that are make the hair stand up
on our next little bit, So like the one where last year or season
four when we launched the rockets and we kind of kind of map the blob
if you will, with the high speed cameras. Yeah, and then we
had the two black Hawks or the black Hawk come in right that. That
was definitely one of the nice that we were like, Okay, what's going
on. And when we got a little bit more information on it, it
was basically we were told, don't ask about it. You're not going to
get an answer. It's kind of like the the answer that we got these
daylight ones. I think that's more guys having fun. Personally, I did
this when I was in the military, when I wrote in helicopters, you
know, once or twice. So I think the ones during the daytime are
the ones that our guys going, hey, it's gid walk a ranche,
let's go fly. You know. That's my personal thought on it. And
because they're like why not, and do you think you do you think?
I mean, I honest to god, I'd say I'd say there's a good
chance some of them watched the show, so they know you're filming in the
summertime, so why not. But but to come that low down, Yeah,
that's where I'm like, either I don't know if they can do that,
yeah, you know some of the aircraft unless Yeah, and then that's
where I'm like, that is one of those things, you know, is
that one very low. I know that there's one thing that they do with
some of those bigger jets at times if they're looking at doing some kind of
operation in an areas, they'll fly them in and they'll go low and they
know how short of a runway they need and if it's relatively flat they can
do it. Yeah, and you know, something like that. They don't
care if there's fences or something like that. So it is one of those
things like it's not outside that realm of possibility. I'm not saying that,
but I think a lot of them are doing it because they're they enjoy the
show too, and they're you know, and they're having fun, and so
it is one of those things when we don't know for sure, and it's
where we can go back through and we can track where they're coming from and
things like that. You know, So like chinooks, those so chinooks.
People need to understand. Chanooks can be in the air for a long time.
In fact, when you're in Afghanistan or Iraq, there were QRF teams
or quick reaction force teams that they were in the air for hours and hours
and hours waiting for a call. And those chinooks can get anywhere you know,
like that within a very short amount of time, and they have the
fuel capacity to fly across the country. But like your smaller aircraft blackhawks,
apaches, things like that, they don't have that dwell time. So and
you know, I will say to answer this question, I saw there is
a big training area in northern Utah southern Idaho that is a specific specifically for
like special forces. There's a lot of places up there that they go and
do training it so we know that they could have come from there, and
so it is one of those things I you know, I can just give
you the best idea based off my experience of having been when I was in
the military at times and then with the police and stuff. So right,
I mean, I wonder, you know what the connection always is, h
I think, I I think you know, naturally, I always wonder,
like did Bigelow run into the same And that's why kind of is frustrating he
never shared any of the data, you know, not because like did he
run into these same kind of issues where the military was you know, you
know, pushing the line or I think I think in Bigelow's side, he
was a little bit more tight into it. He was, I was gonna
say he was more tied into it. But other branches that didn't know what
was going on because you know, he was I think, I think,
you know, they were a special no where they know, they didn't get
special access prom program status. So no, yeah, so yeah, it
could be right, be right. See that's the thing too, is like
people need to remember, like at least this is how it should be with
in regards to the military, they have specific areas that they are allowed to
train it and do anything. Obviously airspace is a little bit different, but
actually boots on the ground interacting with say private property and things like that,
that's not just something they go on out and just do whatever they want kind
of thing. And military actic areas that they are able to go and actually
do things in. So like for example, I was on tanks, there
were there's only like four or five areas in the country where we're allowed to
shoot our main guns, you know, just because of the range and the
power that some of these projectiles are going. So like you know, theoretical
if you have a M one A one at max elevation with the sable round
in that thing's going like twenty thirty miles and they literally stop training and will
put a little piece of equipment in that gun barrel and do the math and
they go find that round. But again that's where there's only certain areas where
they're clear to shoot that kind of ordinance. There's only like two or three
ranges to my knowledge where actual like bombers can actually do their entire payload kind
of thing. Like, there's certain areas that they're allowed to do that.
Why because of the chance of an errant round going somewhere it's not supposed to
you know, so right, Yeah, it's just in that jelly, the
jelly like stuff that dragon pulls out of the of this stuff so that you
know it looks like, uh, you guys find it in a similar way
that you found uh that black material in in the in the making with the
sieve and water and pumping that out and going through the spoils. That's how
we found it. And this is what is cool is it's not what everybody
was I'll say, is uh, it's not what everybody was hoping, but
it does give us the information that is there is still going Okay, why
and what and how, especially with how far in we were, So it's
it only adds to the mystery of what's going on still. But I'm when
we can actually go in and then when people see what we're doing in regards
to that, I'm We're we're obviously going to have plans to expand on that
this year. So yeah, I gotta I gotta ask you a personal question.
Do you think that this so Travis? So, Travis is quoted a
lot as saying that the triangle uh is some sort of uh, what do
you call wormhole? Now, people people like you know, the people I'm
talking about, uh, that that like freak out because he says it that
that it's even like that, if it's even remotely possible that that even could
have a standing chance as being the answer. So in this he said multiple
seasons, he said it in multiple seasons this season, does there is there
anything that like that actually definitively would point us that way? Or is because
the other two couple of times it's been mentioned, I would even say that
it was kind of a like the when the chalkboard moment when he pulls it
off the chalkboard, when he switches the chalkboard. Yeah, I was like,
all right, made for TV. Maybe I don't know, but so
jump ahead. Yeah. So I will just say Travis is a character.
I get it. Yeah, I love Travis it. So I will say
this in regards to the triangle and multiple things or multiple experiments that we had
this during season five, and what you're gonna see, it's it's gonna again.
This is one of those things where it's so hard to wrap my head
around. But I think that you're going to be surprised when when you think
about that question here and and and this is coming again coming from multiple experiments
and multiple resort results from multiple sources, and yeah, and and and actually
one of those one of the crazy results we get. Uh you actually see
a part of that in the trailer with the with the drones and and you
see it right there shift. Yeah. And so I've never done that before.
No, not well, not at these numbers. No, No,
not not at the like that's honest. See, that's what I've always been
waiting for. Yeah, that's what everybody's you know. And that's so when
you see a bunch of the information and when we and when we really get
a deep dive into that night, it's gonna it'll freak people out just because
of the implications and technology wise, the information that you're gonna that's gonna come
out in regards to which drones fill out of the sky and why, and
and again this comes back to something we've talked to about before in regards to
the GPS systems and the other systems that our entire world runs off of,
you know, and so there's gonna be some stuff there that again is pretty
pretty creepy and and dang right fascinating. And then some of the information that
you see in regards to a bunch of the tests and other information in regards
to we had Pete Kelsey come out again with a bunch of equipment, you
know, a lot of this technology that's been out on the ranch before,
and and the results that we got on that side, it's it's it's I'm
oh, I'm dying. I'm then to be able to tell people and and
really have that discussion. So but yeah, and you see it right there,
that night was crazy. I'm surprised that they actually showed that one.
Right now, just because they were like what they've been wanting to sit on
that one and people like you see I think I think it was you see
Eric like kind of ducked down, like like they're about to fall out of
the sky onto him. Yeah. So that Yeah, that's a pretty video
right there, That video right there with Tom where he's down. Yeah.
So that was Tom with Preston and a couple of the other drone guy is
one of the drones went down underneath the the tent there and was like flying
around. Those things are make no mistake people, those things those are those
are industrial drones, right, yeah. So these things are anywhere from three
to five pounds. Yeah. Yeah, So there was a reason why Tom
was ducking and like, yeah if it if it clips you, it's gonna
it's going to hurt. Oh yeah. Those the the fit are the propellers.
Yeah, the propellers, they'll cut you up pretty good. So yeah,
yeah, it was that if we told them if that's not a two
episode thing, right, because there's so much going on. Yeah, and
that I think that's another thing is we we always address when we when we
talk, is they you guys film, you guys film an entire summer's worth
of content, and the content is is then handed to an editing team.
You don't really have a say in what gets to put out or the way
it's structured, and you know, so you when it comes out, the
final product is even a surprise to you. And that's how it is for
a lot a lot of people, a lot of shows. It's it's not
something new in Hollywood, but it is, you know, for for some
people. I guess that's why becoming an insider would be their best bet.
Mm hmm. Yeah. So we do obviously have a lot more discussions as
a team live with a bunch of our insiders, and there's a bunch of
them on here right now, and they'll they'll they'll tell you this is it.
And I know where we're going through and actually doing some updates to the
website right now, and so there's gonna be some new changes coming out.
And I know this is some new information at this point, so I don't
know how much. I can't really talk about it yet, but I know
we are doing some updates. We are going to be doing some new stuff
with the website itself. But the website is the idea has always been where
we can have more of an interaction with people who are interested in the science,
and we're gonna and we're looking at trying how can we improve that and
be able to get more information out that way kind of thing. But yeah,
it's just all this stuff that's been going on out here, and in
regards to how that works with our production company and how they show things and
what they show, I know that they're they're in more contact with Eric and
Travis because they do want to make sure that they present how we're doing the
science correctly, and so they do listen to Eric and Travis in that regard,
and there's things that like, you know, you're hitting it on the
head. There's times where they're going through and editing the episodes right and they
try to go through and talk to Eric and Travis and incorporate what they're talking
about. And I know they do send Eric and Travis some stuff to review
so it and and Eric and Travis then give them feedback. So I don't
know how far that goes or well. There's also those the the other things
that Travis has to do after you guys wrap on whatever production you do on
site, because Travis is always like narrating certain things that he wouldn't be able
to unless it was after the fact. So so he he They they probably
bring him in multiple times for multiple different things. Uh. And there's yeah,
and and and in that process, like Travis, it's not like he's
watching in reference to what that is. He's in a from my understanding,
he's in like a sound studio recording. Yeah, yeah, or he's interviewed
and like kind of going through that mm hmm. And and he was just
you know, he's reading basically the narration of it. Yeah, it's like
it's like having a chapter of a book and trying to read the book or
or understand the book. So again it's it's only one piece of information.
So and that's how they keep it. Hollywood is just as I hate to
say it, Hollywood is justice compartmentalized as the UFO topic in general. So,
uh, don't get it twisted. But some of the So would you
say this year was a little more what would you say it went up or
down in terms of paranormal and otherworldly activity? Definitely more, definitely out,
I guess, definitely a lot more. Yeah, uh yeah, the yeah,
yeah, I'm like I said, I'm glad it was over right.
Like I said kind of in our private conversation earlier, I'm still trying to
wrap my head around some of this stuff. And just because of the implications
of what it is. Five years in and you're still and something just happened
to make you feel this way. See, that's that's that's that's the enigma
of this of this ranch, in this hot spot, in this place,
in this phenomenon. Uh is, even when you think you've scratched the surface,
you don't know anything right, and it likes to remind you, uh
and you know, I know that you have used to have You're very big
into the your or still are into your faith. Right, So how is
how has been how is doing this show either changed altered or uh facilitated and
and uh continued your faith? Well, I haven't seen anything that I would
say changed it in like a negative way. It just really makes me,
I guess that much more marvel at like the power if that makes sense,
that that like a supreme being could really have. And and that's where it's
like, you're I'm thinking of another thing. And I've kind of alluded this
on some of them, and we've alluded to this as a team with a
bunch of the insiders, as we pulled something out of the river this year,
and if it's yeah, there's a river on the ranch that that we've
never done anything with. So there's a fucking river. Yeah. So it's
not like as crazy as everybody would think, like big wise, but it's
sill a river. But I guess that is five twelve acres yeah, yeah,
so it bisects it, you know, and we've we've talked about it,
but it's like we've never shown it, so it's outside of people's like
recognition. Yeah, just around those spots you yeah, picture ed yeah,
and so but we but we pulled something out of the river and it's as
physical as it gets pulling something out right, And and the subject matter expert,
the way that he goes through and shows what this is or potentially what
this is, and and the whole presentation that he did for us. If
if they don't do it correctly, I could see how people will be trying
to discount it. But when he lines these samples up next to each two
modern samples and things like that, it's it's I don't know how, I
don't know how. How did you what what out bottom island creature did you
pull out of the goddamn river? Right outside of some of the other topics
that we will talk about in regardless of time, anomalies and like wormholes and
stuff like that, is the only explanation in my mind that, well,
yeah, when when you guys see it, I know it's gonna be I've
been told that it's going to be pretty controversial. Oh yeah, yeah,
definitely, it's gonna be controversial. But when you have the physical sample and
and the the subject matter expert there and showing his stuff, and this isn't
the only thing he's found on the branch the subject matter expert that we've had.
We've found he's found multiple things. And and his realm, i'll say,
is biology and and and that realm and the other samples that we found,
and the other things that he's brought to the table, and the other
samples that we've collected over the years. He knows the stuff. There's no
argument. And and and when he's coming to the table during this presentation and
showing what this potentially is, he's and he's going, I don't even want
to say what this is because of how crazy this sounds really yeah, and
and I know that's gonna be somewhat early in the season, so I'm excited
for that one. Yeah you got me, you got me kinda and you
get yeah, you got me kind of hooked here on this on this thing
here because I'm not It just blows my mind because I didn't even know there
was a river, right see, and then we're pulling well, this is
the crazy thing is Yeah, I've I've crossed that river multiple times. We've
never done anything like an experiment on the river, okay. And the way
we get down there and and why we go down there. This is literally
the first day we've ever gone down and done an experiment on this place and
that and this is the kind of thing we pull out like, okay,
so are you allowed to say what prompted you to go down there? It
was just kind of those things where we were like, we they don't want
to do what they were had planned for us that day. It was it
was because it was kind of more of the same kind of thing, and
we're like, all right, we got to figure out something else. And
Brandon or Brian, no, we do that every episode. Yeah, that
kind of thing, and Bryant and Travis were sitting there that night before going
we have got to do something else, and they were like, oh,
we've never done anything on the river. Let's try and go down the river
and do something there. And we're like all right, great and we all
look, we're like, yes, thank you something. And it was you
know, middle of the summer, it's hot, and we're like, yes,
we'll go play in the river all day. So wow. But and
but that's the thing is yeah, that that's what we pull out of the
river. And then the next day, Oh my gosh, like what we
have to talk about the next day too? Because when when we can?
I know, I can't wait to talk about all of it. I just
that's what I love about this show is. And you know what I wouldn't
down too is you know you guys, you guys do have the spin off
show now mm hmmm. Are you incorporating any of the data or research?
Are you? I? I guess you won't know. Yeah, you know,
because you we're going to edit into it. I'm not involved in that
and really in any way at this point, So I I don't know what
they're what they're doing with it. I don't know, how do you like
the show? Did you watch it? I haven't watched it now, Oh
dude, it's not Calee. It's it's actually it's super super good. Like
I've talked to Pete and I know they have oh gosh, Carl, Yeah,
yeah, yeah, yeah, oh yeah. I'm like, yeah,
I've talked to some of the other parties that have been involved with it and
they've told me about what's been going on. And am I surprised? Now?
Yeah, no, it's and it's wild because so they did an episode
in at the Bridgewater Triangle and that's where I'm ending my movie, the first
I'm right now, I'm making my first movie. So and it connects a
haunted road to the Salem Witch Trials to the Bridgewater Triangle. So it's what
I like about it is it is showing that there is precedent, not just
precedents for these hot spots, yeah, to exist, but there are many
of them that are just here, home homegrown, right, And you know,
is it something about the land? Is it something what what makes these
places such? Why is the veil so thin there? And I think that's
the question we all want to ask or answer with shows like Secrets of Skinwalker
Ranch, beyond Skinwalker Ranch, all those right, is why what's going on?
What's really the truth here? And I mean, honestly, do you
do you guys ever, do you guys ever wonder if you're part of the
just a just such a remarkably bigger chessboard that you had no idea about?
Yeah, I guess that's one of those things. We don't know how how
what the implications really are until you do something right and and those con consequences
come. But we've with some of the stuff that we've been waiting to talk
about or you know, like what we were going to be shown in season
five and when you go even go back to season four and see some of
the stuff that we're that we're showing, and like I can tell you,
for instance, Eric is going through and creating this crazy model in regards to
the in and out recording that we have where we're on the helicopter and you
see this light off in the distance, you know, this u UAP come
down and it looks like it goes into the mesa and then as we're as
the helicopters continuing, is that that's when it comes up. That's a wild,
wild yeah, So Eric, this is one of those things where like,
this is crazy, we're ninety eight percent, you know, we're fairly
certain we caught a UAP coming in and out of the MESA, right.
But again this is where Eric on the backside, I can tell you,
for the last couple of months, he's been doing a huge model and like
Blender and writing code and doing all this cool stuff to really test that.
Because there's obvious questions now and this is again when there's so much information that
we can talk about in regards to just one of these experiments. So one
of the questions is, Okay, was there a rocket still in the air
by chance? And as it's coming down to the earth, was it glinting?
Is that the light that we're seeing right now. I can tell you,
as I was on the helicopter, one of our safety things with Cameron
was he's he wasn't going to fly through the area if we knew there was
a rocket still in the air. So and I talked to Cameron just a
couple of weeks ago about that same question, as it was one of those
things where I was like, all right, this happened so long ago,
let's confirm And I was like, hey, Cameron, when it comes in
regards to this, this is our safety procedure. Right, anytime you're out
and we shoot rocket off, you don't fly through the area until we know
the rocket is on the ground. Correct. And he's like, yeah,
simple, that's what we do every time. I'm like okay, cool.
And now we take that to Eric and Eric is like, okay, so
what else could this potentially be outside of like a UAP type source. And
that's why he's creating this huge model to show to try and show the you
know, the potential speed and size of what this was, right and how
big that would be as we're flying through and like he's he was out taking
pictures of the helicopter to make sure the details on the helicopter and the model
were correct. So that's the kind of detail he's putting into this thing,
and just the amount of work he's doing on it is phenomenal, and that's
you know, that's again the backside stuff that happens during the off season that
people don't see is the amount of work that like Eric particularly puts back into
some a lot of these experiments. And then as we talk about it and
evolved, that conversation for the next year of Okay, what can we do
to maybe either build on this or a test it, you know, right,
And so that's kind of where we're at for this for for season six,
is we're we're having those conversations of Okay, what can we do and
based on what we found here, how can we verify it or or how
do we test that again? But then that's also so hard. The hard
part of this is we feel that some of these results that we get are
so one are that one crazy one off? Like are we ever gonna how
can we replicate what what happened? So well, you can keep talking.
I was just gonna play because this is I wanted to see this one in
the background. What is this? Yeah, so I don't know this is
the one, but yeah, it's It's just one of those things like there's
so much follow up and so many follow up experiments and and things that we
can go deep dive into, right And Eric, I actually we went through
back through my phone. Oh yeah, that's very yeah, yep, and
found all this and found a bunch of other videos and photographs that I took
while I was on the helicopter during this and gave him to Eric to help
him really dial down on the times and where the helicopter was at in space
and in relation to this. So because in between some of these rocket launches
that we were doing this night, I you know, I took a bunch
of photographs and videos and stuff, and you know, like what really struck
me that on this night was how clear it was. Right. There was
a point where we were just hovering above the ranch and Cameron was kind of
doing a slow turn, and I had my phone out and I was just
recording like the horizon just because I could see so far and you could clearly
see why we're then you went to Basin as a basemin like you could see
the mountains all the way around us, and it was just so clear,
like and obviously my video can't capture that, you know, like our eyes
can't, but I know it sucks. Yeah, it was kind of one
of those things where again I went back through and I found some videos and
things that I think are going to help Eric in this. So this is
just awesome. That's an example. So and and now we've got a whole
other season that we're gonna be able to do this for you know, because
again, you're renewed for six. I don't know for sure yet, but
every everything pointing towards it. Yeah, yeah, I would assume that unless
the ratings were to take it just like a tremendous dive, which I don't
foresee. Uh, and then then you'd be that that's the only case.
And even then I don't I don't even know if they would they would cancel
it, so just because but uh, it's honestly, I can't wait for
this season. I think I think a lot of things are starting to culminate.
I think, you know, a lot of the lessons learned in Secrets
of Skinwalker Ranch they were able to take to beyond Skinwalker Ranch and kind of,
you know, some of the mistakes that you got, not that you
guys made mistakes in the in the series, Well yeah, there were things
that were done that now you know, the guys from the other show they
knew not to do, you know, so they you know, they kind
of skipped right to the to poke in the bear instead of you know,
figuring out how to poke the bear. You guys, you guys figured out
how to poke it. And I know in that one is they have a
lot of contact with Eric and Travis in regards to doing that stuff. So,
yeah, I know that Eric and Travis have had a big part of
that, but I don't know how involved they are in the experiments stuff myself.
I don't know. Yeah, I don't think they're too involved in the
experiments. It seems like they're just in it too. So it really,
if I'm being honest, it's it seems like they're in it just to tie
the shows together, because it's it's more of like a recap they're in.
They're at the end of every show at the recap, And I think it
really and no offense obviously, it's it's it's something you have to do,
like you have to do it. It's it's a they're obviously building off of
everything that we're doing. Yeah, but I think it's I think it's great.
I think it's I think it's absolutely tremendous because I think, you know,
one of the one of the cool things that we get to see play
out is the advancement that you guys make. The longer you're at Skinwalker Ranch,
the more advanced studies that can be done at these other hotspots on now
just on a dime, because of you guys, So you know, you're
still paving the way. The main show will always be the main show,
but the what what you're doing now is inspiring and and allowing other endeavors to
happen on you know, at other places that have rumored to be very similar
in nature to Skinwalker rant yep, oh, yeah, it's there's so much
potential for advancement in in in this realm, if you will. And what's
really driving that too, or or what's helping that is there's these technologies that
are out there that we're using not and yeah, they're not exactly for the
purpose that they're meant for, if you will, but the results that they're
getting, and whether that's equipment malfunctions and the equipment's performing in ways that it
was never meant to, or it is catching actual data in a in a
way that it shouldn't be catching that data, right, or we never would
have caught that kind of data have we not had that type of equipment right?
And and again it's so like, for example, let's take Pete's equipment.
We've seen in the past, his slam scanners and things are how how
do you make a laser disappear or like when his the way his salam scanner
works and and and this type of equipment is it literally shoots the laser out,
it hits some a physical object and in the time that that returns back
helps determine like how far away or what it's made of, how reflective it
is. And we literally have stuff that's swallowing the this this energy. But
when you go stand where out where we're standing, it's a freaking field.
And how does that how how everywhere else you go that equipment runs away.
Its supposed to shows you that it's a field or that you're hitting the ground
and the foiligend it's coming back to you. I've been out with Pete and
then I don't know how many scans off season and and the past seasons,
and we have tons of of scans of the ranch, uh you know,
and they've come back fine. But then there's these other times where we're doing
experiments and where the heck's that energy going? Where the heck's that laser going.
It's like a black hole right right, like and you know what,
maybe maybe there is more than meat stye the then then you know the possibilities
of what could be there because Yeah, what could swallow a laser like that?
Well, and that's you know, and that's the thing is like there
again season five, if you're going to see some results from you know,
top of the line equipment that Pete's getting coming out and we're going, what
the heck, we're still that's surprising. So more more GPR, more lied
are is it sounds like you're running the full gambit again? Oh yeah,
we've got you know again, that's where we're going. We're we're finding stuff
with this equipment that when we go out and we talk with other parties who
are who've been using this technology for twenty plus years, like Pete and he's
going, have you ever seen this before in any of your equipment? And
they're all going, no, what are you doing? Right? You know,
it's where yeah, where are you doing this stuff? And now where
is this coming from? Because this does not yeah, and and so that's
what's been really fun is seeing again the third party experts coming out even today
and the equipment that they're willing to bring or the updated equipment from a past
model, so it's even better than what we've used before, right, and
the stuff still gets us those these crazy results and like how do you do
that? Yeah? And that's and that that's one of the questions that as
always since day one, it's been intriguing me. Why why is it like
there's been so many, so many experiments where like things will go underground,
like it looks like you flew underground, came back up and then you know,
into the MESA And like that's happened like on multiple occasions with multiple different
types of sensors, and it's like it it's always bothered me because it's like
it's repeating but on different device, different Yeah, different different equipment. Yeah,
we're getting a lot of the same results. Right, Like I know
this to comment about, you know, I want to say, during Blazing
Bear, we had what looks like in some infrared some two objects come down
and flay into the meser right, well where the MESA edges. It looks
like they either went behind it or they did go inside. But and so
there's some very similar results that we've caught on multiple equipment of what looks like
stuff coming in and out of the mesa, right. But I think that's
why that footage of the helicopter on that night where we're shooting the two rockets
that we just looked at was so profound was because there was it's really hard
to argue that one. Yeah, you see it go. And then just
like if you were to track it, like if you were to drop a
track, it would make sense where it came out it was, you know
what I mean, like it would it would it would It would probably line
up if you did it mathematically somehow. Yeah, And again that's why Eric
is going through and creating this model that he's been working on to try and
show that, to prove that. Okay, now, yeah, so Eric
is going through and really you know, working on that and and and there's
other things like that that we've been that he's going through. And that's the
thing too, is Yeah, I think Travis is the one that brought this
up in one of our live discussions with somebody before. I want to say,
like NASA before, if they if they do like an experiment, they
have to sit for two years and keep working that one single experiment before they
can ever come out with any kind of information if I remember correctly, And
what you're seeing with us is we do a whole gambit of experiments over a
couple of months and in eight to nine months, you guys are seeing what
we caught live, you know, and then we're going, you know,
how do we like, what does that make information? Even mean? First
off, right, how do we even interpret it? But you allow them
to interpret year judge it. Yeah, And then and then we're throwing it
out to the public and going, hey, this is what we caught,
you know, and we try to go back and do as much review on
those on the data and the recordings as much as we can. But and
that's where you know, again, with the partnership, with the filming and
stuff, sometimes that's hard, like we're not to do that. And then
when stuff gets released, people start deep diving in and doing what they can
you know, themselves. And then and that raises a lot of questions and
we're like, you know, and we're still trying to answer like the first
questions, you know, right, and you know, it's just it is
what it is at this point, you know, Yeah, we know we're
but we are getting a lot of crazy hard data, like the terabytes of
information that's been stored just just in the recordings themselves, you know, because
a lot of your a lot of video evidence on top of like each one
of these light our scans is hundreds and hundreds of you know, megabytes of
information, and the bigger your scans are terabytes. Yeah, hundreds of terabytes
of information from the last six years. And it's like and that's what's really
fascinating is when you when if someone ever gets the opportunity like sit down and
has and ever gets full access to everything, and they literally start from like
day one, from like our what we've talked about as team members, ourselves
from before the show, and and starts compiling all that information. You know,
I might forget bigelo stuff. If we start from just our our day
one, if you will, and go from there to where we are.
Now, that's how how many years would that take to compile everything? Yeah?
Well it'd be a good it'd be a good a good read, a
good paper to read, like like something that was or not not a good
paper, but like like a a proper compilation of of just the the the
data set in uh a uh searchable way that that would actually be really cool,
uh to see how things progressed and you know where progressed, uh what
happened when that that that would be actually pretty cool. See and and I
guess in my mind. That's where I'm like, I'm gonna try and do
what i can to maybe help in that. With this book that I'm trying
to do and that I've been working on for this I really start working on
it. It's okay, okay, just give me a couple more minutes.
Yeah, we can wrap up in a couple of minutes. I don't want
to. I don't want to take you from your daughter too much. Uh
So it does look like we're shaping up to It looks like it's shaping up
to be uh quite the roller coaster year. Uh last year, I said
the same thing, having you on in in lou Or in preparation for the
show, I'm super excited. So where can people find you? And where
can people get involved with Skinwalker Ranch? How can they watch the cameras all
day? You know? You know what what other paranormal hot spot lets you
do that? So? Right, So obviously we have our Skinwalker dash Ranch
dot com website, Go be an insider. We have a lot of discussions.
Like I said, we've got some really cool changes coming up to the
website itself. I'm I'm actually haven't seen what it's gonna be yet. Myself.
So I've got some meetings that I'm gonna be having with the new team
that we're working with on on what that looks like. Well, I know
that, like in past seasons and past years, what we've been doing is
whenever a new episode comes out, we as a team will sit and talk
for and take questions live from the from the insiders there. I'm on Twitter
and Instagram and Facebook, Caleb Bench, Yes, pretty hard, all right,
I need to be more active and in posting stuff. But that's also
where we're like, Okay, what can we talk about? When can we
talk about stuff? But yeah, That's where I'm at. And then but
I would say our website is one of our big places to go to get
any additional information or when one of us jumps on and uh, you know,
does an interview like this, we will go into detail on some things
and we and we try to give more information as we can. H you
guys, you know what, Honestly, with the exception of John Alexander,
you guys have been the most forthcoming with and and that's why that's what bothers
me when people talk Brandon and and like people like Green Street, they do
what they do is and because what I mean, no one, no one,
no one's beaten down Bigelow's door saying you know, where's where's all the
data from when you when you were at skim you were you guys, let
people watch cameras on the property twenty four seven. You can literally pay six
what is it, six bucks bucks depending on to do all those live streams,
to get all those benefits, and you can literally sit and watch all
the cameras that they have, and you only have more and more because Eric
is a like me, he just can't stop. I can tell you we
have. Yeah, the the amount of cameras that Eric has is ridiculous.
I know, I love that guy. We're kind of getting to the point
now where some of the older cameras we have to get new ones up because
the old ones are just worn out, you know. So not only are
we getting newer, better cameras now in some of those same locations, but
we're getting more of them. And yeah, I can tell you there's some
individuals on here that I've seen in the in the live chat that have caught
things real time on the on our website and bring it to attention like that
that it's been such a I think that positive because of that, and the
insiders took it upon themselves and created like a spreadsheet and record all sorts of
stuff that we can go back and check. Yeah, and that that just
makes for good data keeping. And you know, if something really does stick
out, then you use that. Then you you bring it up in the
series premiere of the whatever season, you know, and say, look what
happened over this off season. You know, let's start it off here some
of the stuff that we you know, you know, the the sky's the
limit and I mean that's up to Prometheus at the end of the day anyway,
but this is Skinwalk or dash Ranch has nothing to do with Prometheas.
So you guys kind of you did this on your own, and uh,
it will it will for for for now, stay that way. Yeah,
And that's the thing is it's completely us the team. And that's where you
know, we've we're trying to think of ways to again improve that website and
and trying to get the team together to do experiments on on that as well.
Is you know, as part of the tricky thing too, and you
know, there's a lot of things that we'd like to do with it.
But it's just hey, listen, you're I completely understand. Uh, it's
it's it's it's easier said than done, you know, when at actually getting
down to it and you know, getting everyone on on board and and you
know, getting it's it's logistical nightmare. So you don't have to explain that
one, buddy. Uh. You know, I always love having you here
and you're always welcome. And then after, you know, either during or
after this season ends, we'll have to have you back in. But you
know, Phenomenon this year, any other conventions that you're that you guys are
going to be doing, uh, that you'll be at just Phenomenicon to my
knowledge now since Awaken then Gota canceled sadly. Okay, all right, I
know there's potentially something else in the work, so okay, I don't but
we'll keep us all updated. And you know we love what you do.
And uh, I can't wait for can't wait for April April twenty ninth,
right, twenty third. We've only got a couple more weeks, yeah,
April twenty third, A couple more weeks mid April. All right, you
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so we'll see you guys next time. Have a good one. And
yeah, yeah end it for me because I'm losing my mind and I mean
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