#87 Author Gari Jones: A Truthful Argument for the Existence of UFOs-The Denbigh Lights

0:12 Making the blanket stations to cover the entire uf over now then over the past

0:17 twenty years. All right, we're back today tonight with Gary Jones, this

1:00 Friday, the thirteenth, author of the Denbi Lights, a truthful argument for

1:06 the existence of UFOs. Welcome to Total Disclosure. Gary, So glad to

1:11 have you. Yeah, it's good to be here again. Thank you for

1:15 I'm be back. So yeah, nice, nice to be here. So

1:19 today we're you know, so I figured why not, you know, on

1:23 Friday the thirteenth, get a little bit of a rundown of a case that

1:27 I don't think the public is too aware. Mean, so they're aware of

1:33 it, especially the UFO community, but to the general public, maybe the

1:37 Denbie Light event isn't so not about It's not like the Roswells and then the

1:47 Zimbabwe and the air you know, all those all those mi not Air Force

1:51 base, those cases. So you just wrote a book, the denib Lights.

1:56 Like I said, we talked about that. So can you start by

2:00 telling us why you chose to write this book and why this encounter specifically.

2:07 I just felt with the case once I had all the evidence put together and

2:13 I realized, you know, we've got some pretty good video footage, really

2:16 good you know, witness testimonies and evidence that just concludes that it is very

2:23 well put together investigation that concludes it's a UFO event. So I thought,

2:29 you know, it's not getting the credit it deserves. I think it should

2:32 have a place in the UFO community. And I just thought, there's enough

2:37 year to put a book together. So I just decided it's been a while

2:42 since I actually put something in a book, so why not pick this case

2:46 because there was plenty to go on. So I decided to bring it to

2:50 the world and let people know that Wales has got a case that it's kind

2:53 of underrated right now. It's not getting the attention I think it deserves.

2:58 I mean, it reminds me. It reminds me of the Shag Harbor incident,

3:02 like you know, it doesn't it doesn't get Yeah, I mean maybe

3:07 not even that, Maybe that's not even a good uh comparison, but it's

3:12 a it's a case that that the public kind of they just you know,

3:16 whiz by they want to hear about the more, Like I said, the

3:20 Roswell's, the Virginias, the beings and and all that and and what they're

3:25 missing is an actual credible case with data behind it. So that's what we're

3:31 gonna do today. We're going to walk through that data and walk through that

3:36 the testimony. And I'd like to hear the story from start to finish as

3:39 you tell it. Well, I'll start at the beginning then and how it

3:45 all got started. Yeah, the case. The date of the case and

3:49 the location is January third, twenty twelve. It happened in North Wales,

3:54 which is in the United Kingdom. Of those who don't know the position of

3:59 where it is, it happened in a nice little town area called Denby,

4:03 which is part of Denbighshire County in North Wales. And it was around three

4:08 am in the morning. Picture of the weather scene here. Now it's a

4:12 storm. There is an actual storm in the area. So winds are going

4:15 up to fifty sixty sometimes seventy miles an hour. It's pouring down with rain.

4:20 It's winter time, so temperatures are like zero zero degrees are just above

4:26 and obviously with the wind and the rain and the cold, you know,

4:30 it's not ideal conditions to be outdoors whatsoever. But a family of four who

4:35 lived in the area, the first witness to This is was a boy at

4:40 the time named Nathan Thomas. He was twelve. He was up late watching

4:44 TV, just chilling in his room, you know, very quiet at night,

4:47 and he heard a bang outside his window, wondering what it was,

4:51 and as he looked out, he realized that his bin, you know,

4:54 his big council rubbish bin, had been blown over. And it was a

4:58 big bin. You know, it's one of those very big, family sized

5:00 bins. So wind was quite strong to blow that over. But once he

5:04 confirmed what it was, he looked into the distance and he saw something that

5:08 grabbed his attention and he realized, you know, it is that a reflection

5:12 from my TV? Is that coming from a light on the wall? He

5:15 opened the window and it was coming from the distance, and when he looked

5:17 at it, it was a series of flashing lights. We'reun like anything he'd

5:20 ever seen, and he realized he was looking at as he would describe it

5:26 right then, a UFO. So he runs to the next door room where

5:30 his brother was sleeping, and this is Alex Thomas. He's fourteen at the

5:33 time, and he was trying to sleep. You know, I've been trying

5:36 for a while, and I think he was just about getting to nod off

5:40 and his brother's like, hey, there's a UFO outside, and he's like,

5:43 oh, don't wind me up, will he? And he's like,

5:45 noh, come see, come see, and they both get up and you

5:47 know, Alex being like, you know, tired now, you know,

5:50 the body's trying to rest, and then all of a sudden, it's like,

5:55 what's that? You know what I mean? Yeah, So you go

5:57 from like, you know, it's almost like a zero to sixteen moment.

6:00 It probably well maybe eighty, but yeah, but yeah. The interesting thing

6:08 is then is that Nathan had been given a camera, a video camera for

6:11 his Christmas presence, and it was right there. He grabbed it and the

6:15 two of them started filming it, and they started putting together like nearly ten

6:20 minutes of video footage. They are two separate videos, but together they're combined

6:25 to about ten minutes, and you can clearly see in the video which we

6:29 do have here. Yeah, do you play it? Played one of them?

6:35 Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I played one of them? Which one

6:38 of them? Yes, let me see I did. I did list them

6:42 as video one in video two. Okay, look for Shaken Life. That's

6:54 amazing and it's weird. Okay, so can Alex. She sentively like the

7:09 impost. Okay, look I remembers. Yeah, let's give you something if

7:25 you got to all with a crop sugal Jackie listeners. Man, yeah,

7:34 a three Apple just to use bee Alex. Yeah, well you can see

7:40 what says Shalte m sure m hm Alex look her now a Bobby to see

7:50 your bubby bye. Oh my god. M hm hm hm. That is

8:11 the most amazing thing I've ever seen in my life. What the heck fuck,

8:24 it's amazing. I can see this aucermah track you sure? Wow?

8:43 What I did not watch those videos? What that looks like an oscillating like

8:52 it's sitting there oscillating in the distance. That I mean, well, we

9:01 have another video. I'm gonna overlay it because I didn't upload to stream yard

9:07 in time, but I'll overlay it in a couple of minutes. And I

9:13 definitely now I'm super excited to go watch the other one after this is done.

9:16 That was wild. I mean you can clearly see something's oscillating and and

9:22 and hovering in that one area. So I I like how it's it's so

9:28 recent where they're like, we're gonna upload this to YouTube and and like if

9:33 tomorrow we're gonna go check and see if there's a crop circle? By the

9:35 way, did they go and check? Wow? This is uh the interesting

9:41 thing this, the second video was the more advanced into the into the cycling.

9:46 By then, they had gone to wake their mother up, Linda Pritchett.

9:50 Okay, she was sleeping downstairs, and I think it must have been

9:54 Alex who ran downstairs to wake her up. And it's like, you know,

9:56 ma'am, ma'am, come and see this right, and she know she

10:00 woke up instantly, you know, because of the excitement in their voice,

10:03 thinking, you know, is there a fire in this house or something?

10:05 And you know, panicy, but where Then she goes upstairs to the window

10:09 and sees it herself, and you know, the three of them are watching

10:13 it this time. And then later on there's another witness, Kira Lee George.

10:18 I think her name is, yeah, Kira George. She's Linda's granddaughter.

10:24 And you can hear it in their voices when they listen. Nathan wants

10:28 to upload it to YouTube while send it to the local press. Yes,

10:33 Alex is like, is there going to be a crop circle? Then if

10:35 you listen to him. He says he can see the saucer because it's not

10:39 it's not just hovering like a vertical that's horizontal, isn't. It goes into

10:45 a more vertical position like this in the video, goes from like a like

10:48 a you know, like a four year degree angle. Their mother is like,

10:52 this is the most amazing thing I've ever seen. And in the full

10:56 video you can hear them they're actually I think I mean, I think Alex

10:58 is little worried and maybe someone's you know, from the military, might come

11:01 and ask some difficult questions. I mean, Nathan is just all super excited,

11:07 and I think Linda just well, you know, that is the most

11:11 They're all amazed. They've lived in this area up until that point, and

11:13 even now they've lived until that they've lived in this area their whole lives.

11:18 I think he may have moved a while ago, but up until that point,

11:22 they've lived there a long time and they've never seen nothing like it.

11:26 Never And the interesting thing about the video excuse me a bit of a cult.

11:33 Interesting thing about the video is when I asked them questions in the interviews

11:37 later on, they all wanted to see it again. That's see it again.

11:41 That's something that I feel like, it's it's it's something that happens in

11:48 the UFO community over hear about it a lot that you know, most studies

11:54 show that these encounters people want them to continue, like they desperately want them

12:01 to continue. It's not until you get into the abduction area where people are

12:07 like, eh, you know, maybe not. But these these sightings of

12:13 these spectacular like that videos, it's amazing. You can clearly see something as

12:18 remarkably peculiar. And then now does anyone do any correlation? Is anything in

12:28 the night sky from the military? What can we say? It's not,

12:35 well, this is part of my investigation that i'd done, and well we

12:39 can get into this now. I mean, I mean, I'd like you

12:41 to bring up let me see, you've got the slides. If you can

12:46 bring up slide fifty one fifty one, we can see that this is This

12:56 is actually some analysis that was done on the some of the images taken from

13:01 the actual video itself, the one on the left where you see no Strobe

13:05 aircraft lights are exhibited, yes, and all the different sort of like filtered

13:11 colors below, done by a man named Jason Gleaves. Now he has a

13:16 book. He does a number of books. He's a former RAF man,

13:20 so he's betting familiar with military aircraft. He's now become a pretty good,

13:26 I would say excellent actually is excellent investigator and analysis into analyzing a video and

13:35 photographs and everything. And he's done a full twelve minute video on this on

13:41 his own channel on YouTube, and he concludes that it's unexplainable, that it's

13:45 not it's not something that can be described as a helicopter or a plane or

13:50 any kind of drone. And I look to the right there where you can

13:56 see the sort of like yellow boxes there just sort of highlighted some of the

14:01 things that I could find when I analyzed this video myself. The red light

14:07 I did not see that. It does appear in it if you go a

14:11 little more slowly through it. It does take time to maybe find it,

14:15 but it is in there. It does make a regular appearance. But this

14:18 is one of the better slides that I could get. I was like zooming

14:22 in and out and trying to see what I could stay. Of course,

14:26 I'm going to show you a really good one in a minute now, but

14:28 you can see there are like lights and much smaller lights. And as the

14:35 craft is turning in its in its rotation, the lights are flashing, not

14:41 in any kind of part you would recognize. I mean when you see aircraft.

14:45 No, no, there's definition to their to their there's there's rhythm.

14:50 Yeah, you can find the rhythm, but in this you just can't.

14:52 It's just it doesn't make any sense. Yeah, it's it's almost as if

14:56 it's non repeating and and in a way that's telling in itself, if you

15:03 will, which is remarkable. And that that I mean, so this happens,

15:11 So it's so we know it's you know, it's it's the it's not

15:13 the military. It's not a drone. This is twenty twelve. You know,

15:18 drone technology is still it's good in the military, but it's not widely

15:24 available on the public sector yet. So I mean this is now. Does

15:33 does the UK have any radar data that would court corroborate this event? Yes?

15:39 I do have it in a slide. I was lucky to get this

15:41 because okay, which slide are we looking at here? Troubling? Let me

15:48 think I have done a slide presentation on this and I have actually put it

15:52 all together. Now whereas it's do you know, I hate that when you

15:56 can't find things. I do have radar data on its It's in slide thirty

16:00 seven thirty seven, okay, okay, so nothing on the radar place.

16:07 Okay. Now the top left there is an FOI that I sent off just

16:14 to see if I could get some information on the case itself. I think

16:18 I may have been asking for like the telephone call made by the family because

16:22 they wanted someone to help them understand what they'd see. And they called the

16:26 police the you know, within a day of it happening, and they saw

16:30 the video, they look at it in themselves and they said it was ramblers.

16:34 Now, for those who don't know what ramblers are, if you've ever

16:37 been out at night hunting, ramblers are supposed to be these people who take

16:42 spotlights or torches and this they reflect them in the in the creature's eyes and

16:48 you know, the optical nerves and the irises and the eyes and everything reflect

16:52 that like back, you know, like cat's eye kind of thing. Make

16:56 some bright so they can see them. And of course they will either go

16:57 and capture an animal or you know, some cases they will kill the animal.

17:02 But the ramblers in this country, as I understand it, it's not

17:04 legal to do that. So it makes you wonder if it's not legal,

17:08 then why are you not pursuing a case criminal case? Right? But the

17:15 two images you see on the right from planefinder dot net, and these are

17:21 radars taken from the time that this thing would have been visible. Now,

17:25 like I said, it started around three and it lasted for about fifteen twenty

17:30 minutes. Maybe we got ten minutes worth of video footage. And there's nothing.

17:36 There's nothing in the sky whatsoever. There's no planes, helicopters, aircraft's

17:42 I think even military aircraft would have transformed if they were on a routine training

17:47 flight or something. Yes, nothing that that's making a paying you know of

17:53 on any radar screen. So that's that's very interesting. You have to the

18:00 style as well. By the time I got involved in this case, it

18:02 was like six years after the event. I got in yeah, April twenty

18:07 eighteen when I first met these people and I saw the video, and I

18:10 was just blown away because I've seen something like that myself from when I was

18:12 a child, although slightly different colored lights, it was very similar. The

18:18 thing that I find amazing with plane Finder dart net is that they did have

18:22 radar that would allow you to go back six seven years. They didn't care.

18:27 You know, you know, here's data for six seven years. I

18:30 thought, great, yeah, you know, we can go and check this.

18:32 And I managed to get just just in time. But when I started

18:37 working on the Penturg incident, when the other case that I've been doing over

18:40 the years, they changed their policy. They went from giving you seven years

18:45 worth of data to a week, so seven years to seven days. Yeah,

18:49 and then you could buy a subscription. Then that would only that would

18:53 only give you a year's worth. And I like, you've got seven years

18:56 worth going back. You probably got more than that. But yeah, changing

19:00 they wanted, they wanted. They wanted to get rid of data and and

19:06 flush the frames if you will. But I think I was a decision made

19:10 by someone above. So there's where does there what's the other one? There's

19:17 sky sky Hub. I have it on my phone. Sky It's it's one

19:22 that you can I don't know if you can go back. I wonder that's

19:26 a very interesting I wonder, I wonder if you can go back. I

19:33 don't know what it's called. So there's all kinds of I mean this this

19:42 flight radar twenty four flight radar flight flight radar. Does that allow you to

19:48 go back in time? Or no? No, I've tried. I mean

19:52 most of them only ever do a week or a month, and then they

19:55 ask you to subscribe, and they only do more than a year. And

19:56 I'm like, well, where am I supposed to find anything further than that?

20:00 I mean with airports, yeah, you have to foil yeah, yeah,

20:06 if you fire it, they tell you, oh, we keep our

20:07 systems only we only keep our systems open for thirty days or three months,

20:11 and then it all gets it all gets wiped. Then you need to pay

20:17 for a subscription. Mm hmmm. But it's it's it's very difficult with international

20:22 radar airports, you know, with the radars there. Although I think they

20:27 would give you that information if they had it, but it's like by the

20:30 time we get involved, you know, it's do you have something from that

20:33 day? I mean I think they do have it, I just don't think

20:36 they want to give it to us. Yeah, I would say that's a

20:41 likely likely that that's the Unfortunately they're the probability leans in favor of them having

20:49 the data because you'd have to you'd have this. I mean you have to

20:55 think that, what's the nearest military base there? There's one in North Wales.

21:02 I don't know the exact name of it, but there is another based

21:04 in North Wales. If they got anything that pinged on radar, a track

21:11 that they could they could verify, then they they would do their due diligence

21:17 and they would they would you know, either scrambled jets. Now do do

21:22 the witnesses ever, did they hear jets that night? Did they hear anything

21:26 else like military flights that happened? Is there anything that else the witnesses can

21:33 say about what happened afterwards? Okay, this would be a good point to

21:41 bring in maybe slide eighteen and slide Can I ask you to bring up slide

21:48 eighteen, twenty one and twenty three if you remember that eighteen twenty one.

21:56 I can't bring them all up at the same time. Well, can you

22:00 do one? Okay? But we'll make it slight eighteen first of all,

22:03 Okay, okay, and then we can go to slight twenty one after it.

22:07 Yep, just give me the que okay. That is the family as

22:11 they were. The two left images are Alex and Nathan around the time of

22:17 the events. That's like twenty twelve. There the grown men by the time

22:19 I met them, you know, they were like turning eighteen or eighteen.

22:22 Yeah. Yeah. The other two images you see on the right, the

22:26 top right one is Linda, that's the mother, and the bottom one is

22:29 Key Rush And that was in twenty eighteen when I were interviewing them, and

22:33 I still keep in contact with them, you know, we still we still

22:36 talk online because I am trying to promote this case. I think they really

22:38 want to see it. I'd just like to show you some more of those

22:44 images I put at the bottom there. You can see how it turns.

22:45 That's actually that's not me tilting anything. That's just it doing that on its

22:49 own. Okay. You can see you can see some of the strange lights.

22:52 Now after seeing all of this, you know, I mean, I've

22:56 interviewed them, I've spoken to them, and I've had conversations off off air,

23:00 of course, and they're all just, you know, is it ever

23:04 going to come back? Are they ever going to see it again? Unfortunately,

23:08 when Nathan started to talk about this afterwards, he was getting ridiculed with

23:12 it, and the family have all been targeted for a boost. But I

23:15 think Nathan, being the one who spotted it and recorded it, has had

23:18 to you know, and do it quite a bit more than others, right,

23:22 And I say they haven't all had a bit of a boost like you

23:25 know, But I mean, I think I think Nathan, because he was

23:26 so excited about it and he found that, you know, the community was

23:30 rather rather cynical in that in that regard. But if I take you to

23:36 slide twenty one, Peter Glynn, mm hm, they wanted someone to actually

23:47 look into this, and they didn't know where to go really, But I

23:51 think the family knew of someone in the area who had had an interest in

23:55 this subject and actually done some of his own work in the past, and

24:00 Peter Glynn lived somewhere close and they contacted him, showed him the video and

24:06 he was very convinced that this was a very solid video and began to investigate.

24:12 You know. He did idiot video interviews with the family. You can

24:15 see there in the little Yeah the genuine UFO signing Demie Wales, that's him

24:22 interviewing the family. He did like eight videos in total, and some of

24:25 like a few minutes long. Some of them are in like like a minute

24:27 or two showing certain bits of evidence he collected. But I thought it was

24:30 a very good, you know, good sit down interview and local investigation.

24:36 And I came along in twenty eighteen. I thought, well, you've got

24:40 some good stuff there. You've actually collected some good evidence. I just know

24:41 I can expand it further by looking at military and you know, doing comparisons

24:45 and getting this foot of channelized and stuff. So it was really just a

24:48 case of really expanding on what I already been done in other things that have

24:55 been you know, haven't haven't been looked into yet. So I mean,

24:59 just yeah, gotcha, it's like twenty three. This is just some of

25:03 the things that were being done. Okay, So yeah, yeah, these

25:10 are some of the other videos I've listed, just just box and screenshots.

25:12 You can see that you know, he was doing his work. You know,

25:15 he went to the window get some daytime, nighttime photos. So what

25:21 we're seeing here in the field is that the same or is it that the

25:26 housing structures where the video was taken. Okay, yeah, this is a

25:30 view from the window. This is how it looks in the daytime. The

25:37 it's a little difficult at time to try and match up where exactly the lights

25:41 appear in the day in nighttime, but he did, there's no there's no

25:44 like trees obstructing it. And I thought there was like there, it looked

25:48 like there was something in front of it. Yeah, that I was one

25:55 of that. But I think that's just the way the lights are because when

25:56 you just when the family describe the lights, it's like they look like it

26:00 looks like a light, you know, like a light struck, like you

26:03 see a light in a torch or something not as bright as like you know,

26:06 real any any but it looks like it's underwater or something twinkling underwater.

26:11 You know you ever seeing lights under the water surface of water? Yes,

26:15 yes, Anyway the video that you look there are two images on the right.

26:21 Peter's tried to like learning the sighted or know. Okay, I reonder

26:26 where we can select some areas which might if this is something on the ground

26:30 or this is human activity, these are the areas likely to be Excuse me.

26:37 Now you see him with his camera and his friends were looking around for

26:41 signs of human activity. The thing they found was a little tire track there

26:45 or I think maybe a tractor or a jeep or something on the bottom.

26:48 Right, Yeah, that's only just going to a place, you know.

26:52 But it's not like you would be circling around and tilting lights in a you

26:59 know, from a horizont it's a vertical position and flashing the way that doesn't

27:03 correspond to anything. And no, not really, no, I wouldn't say.

27:06 So that's very, very, very peculiar though, because like I said,

27:11 so, so, who is the kid on the video that says I

27:18 can see the disc Alex? So can Alex? How does Alex describe?

27:26 Because obviously we all know that like our vision versus even nowadays in twenty twenty

27:33 three, the camera versus what our eyes see. It's it's virtually like it's

27:40 it's day and night right from what your eyes can see to what a camera

27:45 can see. Yeah, what is he describe seeing it? Does it have

27:49 panels on it? Does it? Can he see any detail aside from the

27:55 light looking like it's underwater? They describe the shape they see with their eyes

28:00 because the camera's not picking it up as well as their eyes are. I

28:03 think today's modern cameras might be much better in nighttime. Yeah, but this

28:08 is like this is a camellias thirty. It's I can't remember the name,

28:11 a Tashiba thing made it at the time. At the time it was a

28:15 nice handheld camera, but at night time it wasn't. I do have an

28:18 image of it if you want to bring it up, Yeah, on slide

28:22 eleven, goes slide eleven. Yeah, yeah, And I'll just tell you

28:33 what what he described. They describe an all those shaped craft. So it's

28:37 like mine goes meet nine, ten, seven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen,

28:42 fifteen sixteen. What happened here? I don't know what happened, something

28:48 weird, I don't know. So it just so happens that we don't have

28:53 that one. Unfortunately. Slight twenty five. Do you have slight twenty five?

29:00 Yes? Okay, Now, let me just explain what they describe as

29:07 an oval shaped object disc but oval rounded, kind of like an egg if

29:14 you will, oval shape. They describe a red light on top. Sometimes

29:19 they're describing that the object is not just rotating, it's kind of tilting forward

29:25 and backwards, so you can see the under and overside of it. The

29:30 interesting thing about all of that, they say, like Alex would describe the

29:34 lights like flashes, like lightning or something really Kira described it like like shimmering

29:41 of water, like it was underwater. I think they even described like a

29:45 mini explosion if you will. Okay, they all have. They all have

29:49 their own unique explanations for it, but they all describe in a similar context.

29:53 Now what you're seeing. There is a man named David Williams. He

29:57 lives next door to these. He did at the time. I'm sure he's

30:00 still there now. He lived next door to them, and he saw the

30:03 video himself, and that little eye Party's got there. He was able to

30:08 take a still image of the video and I still haven't been able to replicate

30:14 this, but that is actually it there. I've just sort of inverted the

30:18 color to bring up more details. You can see. You can see that

30:25 there are in them. There's a red light on top. There's yeah,

30:33 there's a red light on top. It seems to be it seems to be

30:36 the more like make like two lights. So there's a gap between the middle

30:38 of it. You see the big bluish whitish lights in the middle there,

30:45 and you can see the smaller ones around it. There is sort of something

30:49 underneath her on the seven o'clock position. That's just Peter recording off the screen.

30:53 You can't see it in the bottom, the bottom right and top right

30:56 images. That's and I asked him, how on earth did you do that?

31:00 He said, well, what I did was I just took a screen

31:03 the video as it is, wide angle, you know, as it is

31:07 as you're seeing it from the video screenshot, zoom in enhanced screenshot, zoom

31:12 in enhance screen. And it just created this lovely this lovely shape. And

31:18 if you look closely at some of it, you can see that you may

31:21 be able in the blue one there, you can see the dome. Yeah,

31:26 maybe you can see it from the red light to the edges. You

31:29 can maybe see outlines of the way the color shimmers around the object itself.

31:33 And I suppose if you look towards the bottom right of the the inverted part,

31:40 you might see like a shadowy black thing underneath if you look over to

31:42 your left. I mean, if I had a musse, i'd highlight all

31:45 this. But you can see like a what seems like a flat edge of

31:48 it. This thing has got shape and definition, and you can even make

31:52 out some of the details. It's little hard to see you when you're first

31:55 looking at it. If I had a mouse and as ability to zoom on.

31:57 But yeah, I can see what you're saying though I have it in

32:01 full screen. But I get credit the definition. I give credit to David

32:07 on this one. I said, I have tried so hard to get that

32:08 one. I get the red light on top. If you go to slide

32:14 twenty seven, we get there. Yes, I mean again, you saw

32:21 this image earlier. But the bottom left one is another one I've tried.

32:24 You can see it's got four lights again, four big ones the bottom left.

32:30 You can see the red light on the top as well. Yeah,

32:34 you can even see in the top right again another enhancement, and I've inverted

32:37 the color and an interest see if I could find things an interesting thing.

32:40 I don't know if you can see it. Maybe it was in the other

32:44 one. Can you see in the bottom maybe in the bottom right it's more

32:46 predominant, But you can see in that little cluster of lights to the right

32:51 side of like a triangle shape. Yes, yeah, that is so distinctive.

32:58 It is right, it is. See it. I don't even need

33:00 to point it out. You can see. I can I tell you what

33:02 a look, but you can see it for yourself. I mean that seems

33:07 to be that seems to be some sort of fixture, some sort of some

33:12 sort of part of its design. I mean, there are there are dozens

33:15 of lights on this craft, and some of them are all going off at

33:17 once. Some of them are not even it's only the big ones you see

33:22 in the full video. In the full video, there are times it looks

33:25 it's just it's hypnotic. It is. Yeah, So so, I mean,

33:35 this has got to be a life changing experience. Now, was this

33:38 a particularly religious family, and you know, did their views? What do

33:45 they think they saw that night? Do they think they saw a craft that

33:49 was a reverse engineer? Do mean, we know about all the stuff that's

33:52 happening in the United States right now with David Grush reverse engineering. Do they

33:57 think what they saw was otherworldly? Or do they think this could have been

34:00 man made? I'm sure if you sat down with them and had to chat,

34:05 they would probably say the possibility would exist, it's man mate, But

34:07 I would probably say they lean more to it being not from this earth.

34:12 Yes, to them, it just if we can make it, maybe we

34:15 can, but just for them experience it, watching it and looking at it

34:21 in real time. Obviously, we've got video footage but seeing it, it

34:23 did something that you know obviously you just you're just in awe of it.

34:30 It is such an amazing thing. And even at the end. And they're

34:34 not a religious family, No, I don't think they are. I don't

34:37 believe they're religious. I've never seen them mention God or Christian sort of things.

34:43 I always like to see people's faith. Yeah, I always like to

34:46 see if it affects people's faith. No, if anything, it's definitely changed

34:52 their views. They know they're real now, that's the one. That's the

34:57 one thing, like like I did see something as a child, and that's

35:00 why I'm interested. But you know, it's it was so long ago that

35:06 you know, sometimes I don't remember if I'm constructing the memory to a degree.

35:12 So you know, it's like I didn't have a camera, and I

35:16 wish I could have an experience where I could document it and be like this

35:22 is my like to have that degree of confirmation again, you know, it's

35:27 it's something only a few, you know a handful of people in the world

35:30 have, uh, And and I just again, we we seek it out

35:37 and you know it and we and we never find it right and and these

35:43 people, you know, just just one night the wind happened to blow over

35:49 a trash barrel. That happened to set this boy on on the path of

35:53 seeing this thing. And and you know, it's odd to me. The

35:59 timing, the time three am seems to be something that is a recurring theme.

36:07 Between three and four am is when a lot of sightings take place.

36:12 Do you think, to speculate to a degree, what do you think there's

36:15 any correlation with that? You know, I've thought about this myself, and

36:21 I have to say, I think there possibly is. I can't. It's

36:24 called the witching hour, you know, there's a special time, yeah,

36:28 in the dark, when the Earth is supposedly at its darkest moment, you

36:32 know, away from the sun or something like that. I mean, if

36:36 you look at the longest days of the year, well, I mean the

36:37 sun goes down about what maybe ten am ten p at nine past nine ten

36:43 pm, depending on where you are. Yeah, but it's a very lot

36:47 and it comes up around five o'clock, so you know you're talking at three

36:51 o'clock, two three, three, three o'clock hour. Yeah, the light

36:54 starts coming back around the earth or you know, especially the longest days here

36:59 because Finstert Day is a very powerful day and I often one day, yeah,

37:01 you know, because I would say this. There's an ancient castle in

37:07 Denby and a month after this event there was a sighting of a disc there

37:13 and someone did get a photograph of it. And I'll go to that in

37:15 just a second because I want to bring this up. I don't know if

37:19 you've ever heard of ley lines or yes, of course points. Yeah,

37:23 but in our country, someone has put together a map of what we call

37:27 arbor points. These are things you find on the mountains up in the high

37:31 peaks, and they're supposed to be according to the ancient Pagans, especially in

37:37 the regions of that time, where the energies of the earth, you know,

37:40 their energy all over the place, but there are places where they converge.

37:45 Yeah, they converge or they funnel, kind of like you know,

37:47 you're like your body's fill of blood in there, like main arteries and veins.

37:53 It's like that in a way. That's just that's the way I could

37:57 describe it. But when you look at where dem when you will see someone

38:00 where these lines are going, Denby runs across right right across one of them,

38:05 or there's a it goes into a central hub in Sheffield, which is

38:07 on the same sort of latitude or longitude or whatever it is in maps.

38:12 But that is something I find interesting because if you go to slide let's go

38:19 to slide five. I hope you got it. Yeah, we go.

38:24 I was, I was, I had lucky, I had this. Wow,

38:29 that's the picture? Is that the wow? No? This is a

38:32 month after No, No, that's what I mean. Is that? Is

38:37 that a close up of the of the above picture? Yeah, there's two.

38:42 I found this very early on in two thousand and not not not very

38:45 early on, Yeah, very early on in two thousand and sixteen when I

38:49 was I found that very early on in twenty sixteen because I was investigating a

38:53 UFO called the Penturk incident. I don't know if you've ever heard of that

38:57 one, but I came across I was looking. I'll explain that very quickly.

39:02 It's a very big case. That one, definitely up there with the

39:06 ross was. Anyway, this is a picture of a Denby castle. It's

39:12 quite an ancient ruin. Now it's still standing, but most of it's pretty

39:15 much pretty much gone. But there've been UFO sight danes, vocal myth stories

39:20 of like dragons and people slaying strange animals, and of course there have been

39:25 stories of people who have been hit with beams of light burning. It's in

39:30 what I mentioned. He's in the book, but that one there is by

39:35 a man named Graham Evans. It was in the media Denby, denbi media

39:39 I'm printed in the local paper. And this was a month February first,

39:45 just a month after the just after the Denbig Lights itself and Denby Castle is

39:51 not too far away from where these family live, right, I mean this

39:54 craft. If you look at this craft and kind of superimpose it over the

40:01 other, you know, maybe the shape of it could be very similar to

40:07 what was seen. You know, this is obviously we're just not seeing the

40:14 lights, you know, coming on for whatever reason in the nighttime, the

40:17 lights would be on. So I'm surprised it and trying to say this is

40:22 a whole punch cloud. Very difficult to call that a whole punch cloud,

40:28 consider definitive. The disc is. There are two pictures of it actually,

40:31 but this is about this. This is a good close up of it and

40:35 the one that was put in the paper. So he was walking around Denby

40:39 taking pictures of several occasions for a video I was that he was making.

40:45 It was about two thirty pm. He reached Leicester's Church by Denby Castle,

40:52 said mister Evans. I was just about to take the picture when an object

40:55 suddenly appeared in the sky, moving very quickly from left to right. So

41:00 this thing was moving left to right. Okay, yeah, yeah, he's

41:06 I've never actually spoken to this man. I'm sure I may have seen his

41:08 video somewhere, but I know he lives in this area, or did live

41:13 in this area. He was taking pictures and taking things and then there it

41:16 was. You know, he saw it moving and staying still, and he

41:19 managed to capture these images. And I guess it wasn't for these images he

41:22 wouldn't have been able. But like I said, it's a month after from

41:25 the families. From the family's window, you can see Demi Castle and up

41:30 in the area where it may have been located, it's what you can see

41:32 Denmie Castle. Now, it's interesting that after a major sighting like this,

41:37 there are always other sightings that take place which I've I've always learned about.

41:44 Now I'm this is the UFO flap. I want to show you that close

41:49 up. This is an illustration by Jason Gleaves. Actually you see those lights

41:52 there, yes, in his original Yeah, you got to be there in

41:58 the original analysis that he'd done. That particular image there that you're seeing is

42:05 you're talking about overlays and captures or time references not show exactly what he'd done,

42:09 but it's like he was able to what's the word I'm looking for.

42:14 I guess it's like a time lapse or a lengthy exposure or something of trying

42:17 to figure out what this thing does. And that picture there is maybe a

42:22 good representation of how he caught it. If you go to slide where is

42:28 it forty eight? Yeah, that one on top there, like Denmi Wales

42:36 twenty twelve, that's just like his his you know, his idea of how

42:40 it may have been moving or something. It's a very interesting way in which

42:45 he's done that. But anyway, you can see on the bottom there,

42:50 the frame shows a distinct cliptical shaped formation. And I just wanted to show

42:54 you the daytime siting there because on the bottom right, on the bottom right,

43:00 you can see that's exactly where it was. Wow, if you overlay

43:04 day and now, because he's really good, you know, scaling pictures because

43:07 you know, some people take wide screens. Some people do one by one

43:12 or four by three or sixteen yes, yes, or sixteen by ten,

43:15 So you're stretching the pixels, and the pixels are stretching the images that you're

43:21 seeing. So he's been able to really put this into the correct way.

43:23 And if I bring up slide, he did some good work here because this

43:31 is yes, he's very very good representation. Yeah, I want to I

43:35 want to go to slide thirteen nine and slide forty. So if you do

43:38 thirty nine first thirty nine, this is a further testimony in the details of

43:46 the craft. The bottom right pictures Linda, she's walking me around a field

43:52 called Kai Howell. If you saw the houses in the original images, there's

43:57 a field, a big, large playing field behind it. And she was

44:00 under the impression that instead of the craft being way up, we're gonna take

44:04 a look at this in a moment, because this is all part of the

44:07 analysis and comparisons that I've done, but this is kind of how we'll feel

44:12 behind the houses in the distance you see from where you just saw the previous

44:15 image, and she thought the craft was behind those houses or just around that

44:20 area. She wasn't far off, really, she wasn't really all that wrong.

44:22 But you can see there's a school, there's a corner of the road,

44:28 and as you see the image on the top, there is the let's

44:32 see, Yeah, you can see a rounded, oval shaped thing with lights

44:37 around the center. With the red lights on top. That's her. That's

44:40 roaring. That is an immediate stick out is the top light. M that's

44:47 amazing. What kind of craft does that? I mean, we know these

44:52 things have red lights, but they don't act like that anyway. That's amazing.

44:55 So, like I said, I call myself a field researcher as well,

44:59 because or field investigators. I like to go to these places. I

45:02 like to look around myself. I want the people who have lived there,

45:06 especially they've been there a long time, tell me then, tell me,

45:07 you know, just tell me why is it not? Why? Why is

45:12 it? Why does it stand out? Why is it peculiar? Yes?

45:15 Exactly? And if we go to slide forty, is that not the one?

45:22 Yeah? It should be. Okay, Uh, this is the The

45:27 yellow circle represents where we were standing. Again, the free arrows like the

45:32 free red lines you're looking at. There are lines that I use for measurement

45:37 and distance on Google Earth M and I just thought, well, this is

45:40 a good way to reference it. And the lines all converge at their home

45:45 the window, so that okay, So the lines converge at the lower bottom

45:51 line of the screen at the the that's the line of sight from the window.

45:55 Yeah, as you follow it up. I asked them, I mean,

45:59 how big do you think it was? I mean sixty seventy feet wide

46:01 is what I got. So I thought, that's the reference I'm going to

46:05 use, or maybe a little bit bigger. And the yellow circle is somewhere

46:08 where they thought maybe especially Linda may have thought it had been. She wasn't

46:12 far off. She may have been right. I mean what's interesting is when

46:16 I use the when I use the overlay of Jason Gleaves image and I use

46:22 their location, and I use Google Earth, and I used my knowledge of

46:25 the area have to be and shown what was there that little those three lines

46:30 at the top of the twelve o'clock position top middle there you can see where

46:36 they've stopped in the middle, and I've put a red line across it.

46:39 It measures across at twenty six point seventy so I'm guessing if this thing is

46:45 seventy feet wide, it's got to be within that little patch of land there

46:49 behind the school or just behind across the road from the Kaihawal area. So

46:52 we're getting very close to where this thing was. Yes, And I mean,

46:59 this is the These are things I did for the case. You know,

47:00 I thought, well, there's a lot we can really do here.

47:02 And I just thought, you know, we've been able to We've got brilliant

47:07 video, brilliant witnesses, brilliant testimony, you know, an analysis by Jason

47:10 Glees expert video analysis and raf Man two. So he knows about these things

47:15 and the stuff that Peter Glen had done, and then everything else I can

47:17 add on top. So why not write a book on it? No,

47:21 this is a this is a very well researched and investigated case. I mean,

47:24 so I am I I really like the visual representation because it does give

47:31 you that you know, it's almost it allows me to see that the playing

47:40 field, right, It allows me to see what what the area looks like,

47:46 what they might have saw from a distance. So this is that was

47:50 really great. So and the military base that's close to that area, do

48:00 you is it known if there's any nuclear connection to that base. I don't

48:07 believe so now, but there are you know, I've never I don't believe

48:12 any base in North Wales has or any Whales base on f base has nuclear

48:16 weapons. The only one you only have one. Yeah, publicly, we

48:21 do have nuclear power stations along those areas. What I would say is with

48:25 I know what you're getting that because I know with the rendals in many other

48:29 cases where nuclear bombs or nuclear weapons, nuclear technology in general, right,

48:35 you know, so you know, it's just it's it's there is this common

48:42 theme right between you know, even guys like Luilson who have said it between

48:45 water nuclear and and UFO sightings. You know, is is uh in this

48:54 is there a body of water near there a large one? Well, North

49:00 Wales goes out to the sea, goes out to the sea, of course

49:04 naturally so on that's very interesting. Well there's a case, I mean,

49:09 North Wales is to me, I mean, doing my years of research and

49:14 figuring all this stuff out, I've come to realize that whales from the worst

49:17 small country. I mean you, I mean some of your states are bigger

49:21 than our country. You know what I mean? Yeah, America yeah,

49:24 but when it comes to UFO sight things, my god, we've got so

49:28 many Yeah, people forgetting you know, people always say this is like,

49:31 oh, why are all the sightings in the United States. That's not the

49:36 case. It's just that we have the most people reporting them. Yes,

49:39 that's very true. It's a data bas Yeah, in North Wales, there's

49:45 a lot of sightings being recorded. Of course. I mean this one year.

49:49 I'm just gonna hold it up again. That's available Amazon, so please

49:52 buy a copy and the link, the link for it will be in the

49:55 description below. Yeah, it'll bring you right to Amazon so you can buy

49:59 it. It's a fantastic book. And I'll leave links for you for the

50:05 presentation video that I did for Newport on this case, and of course the

50:13 video the documentary I made as well for that. You made a documentary for

50:17 this. I did it my own one. I went to interview the family,

50:22 a videotape, the grounds photographed, they did all the analysis work and

50:24 I put it together. You know. That was my original thing. That's

50:28 what I wanted to do for them because to me, it was fun to

50:30 do it. Yeah, I'm doing something similar right now. So with Mario

50:37 Woods. I think it's you know, I mean, you know, I

50:39 don't have a you know, a production team or anything. You know,

50:42 I've got a computer, I've got a camera, and I've got a good

50:45 brain. So let's go, and I've got the will to do It's you

50:49 need any help, let me know. I'll fly over the pond. I'll

50:52 hold you to that. Yeah, I might, I might do actually,

50:57 because I'm not sure. Now I have enough a quick meant to arm a

51:00 small TV studio and I do investigate. Well, I work with move On

51:07 in Boston. Well, well, just just to put it out there then,

51:15 I mean, I'm sure I'm not going to say yes to this,

51:19 but I'll ask them. But I'm sure if someone was willing to put a

51:22 documentary together and make it go on some sort of network, you know,

51:28 I'm sure they would they would agree to be interviewed by you. But I'll

51:30 have to ask. But there needs to be and I'm sure they'll give you

51:34 access. I mean, I mean, although I'm playing the footage, you

51:37 know, this has been done for non monetary gain, you know, so

51:38 if anybody there's a copyright issue there is, of course, yes, but

51:45 North Wales has so many cases. There's the bear brought one up, you

51:49 brought you brought another case up that you said is very interesting. Okay,

51:52 so the Pantrick incident, which is I'm sorry you say penn. Can you

52:00 say turk like jerk? You know, with turk pent turk? Well it's

52:05 properly yeah, Well it's probably pronunciations like pent turk. But that's the Welsh

52:08 tongue. You gotta have that. Pent turk is fine, but no,

52:13 that's South Wales. I was just I'm only mentioning that one because that happened

52:15 on China. Sorry, February twenty six, twenty sixteen, in South Wales.

52:22 I'm not much involved a giant pyramid triangular craft military things being shot down

52:30 Wednesdays. Seriously, Kas Clark, if you haven't seen her, go look

52:34 it up. We've had many people podcasters in America. I'll talk about this,

52:38 can you? I said, but this camera picking up Her name is

52:45 kas Clark. She's a primary witness's. There's quite a few of them now.

52:49 We do have a YouTube page called the pent Turk Incident if you want

52:52 to go check it out. There's a website called the pent Turk Incident dot

52:55 com. I will make these links available to you, so when you see

52:59 them, you and look at yourself. But that case is what got me

53:01 started really doing much wider more field of search investigations because this case hat's gone

53:08 global and it's really really big, and that there is a picture of a

53:13 that's a picture of well, I can't go into all deed because I want

53:15 to continue on with the other one. But after they saw there was a

53:19 military build up, spy planes or search planes looking at the area, they

53:22 seem to understand that something was going to show up. And then all this

53:25 other military lot came along with Air Force helicopters, gunships and flipping jets and

53:30 everything, and they had military on the ground. We know one of the

53:36 things that this one of the one of these things here seventy twenty six,

53:39 twenty sixteen. We know one of these like these kind of craft, a

53:44 smaller craft that fifteen to twenty of them came out of the larger one.

53:45 One of them was shot down in the woods not about five miles away,

53:51 and anyway, there's been a large investigation into that one, and it's really

53:54 gaining a lot of traction. But this one here, I guess said the

53:58 denby lights. I was working on this one at the same time I was

54:01 working on the other one because I felt that that was a brilliant case with

54:04 video evidence. But there are other cases as well that I've also found.

54:07 Not these are not my ones, but I have I have one called the

54:13 bear Wind Mountain. It happened in nineteen seventy four in a place called Fanelo.

54:19 I believe it is a village there. Forgive me if I get that

54:21 wrong, forgive me. But it's in the book that what that involved a

54:24 large explosion. People been walking out of their beds or violently scared by What

54:35 was that? Like? You know, yeah, well some people have.

54:37 Some people gone in contact with me and said their family were living in that

54:40 area, so they felt some sort of pressure of like a shock wave kind

54:44 of thing. And interesting. Yeah, So what happened then was is the

54:50 neighborhood, obviously the village and people living wanted to go out and find what

54:53 was going on, so they decided to. They're looking around and within no

54:59 time, all it seemed like the military we were on the scene. A

55:01 new where to go. Now, this is much like the Virginia case,

55:06 where it's almost like they're there before anyone can even Yeah, they seem to

55:09 know where to go and what we're doing. And the Berwin Mountain has roads

55:15 going up there. It's a series of mountains there, but the Berwin Mountain

55:17 is the one that everyone knows. Anyway, long story shot on this one.

55:22 The military was sending people to another mountain thinking that they are a plane

55:25 crash. They're giving them that impression. I believe. Of course, they

55:29 also then some There was a lady named pat Evans. I believe she was

55:35 driving with her two teenage daughters up on the mountain range of roads through there.

55:38 She saw a large orange spherical object of some kind, and her daughters

55:44 saw it too, and the military seemed to be shining lights on it,

55:47 taking notes, maybe examining it in some way. Is there any of this?

55:54 I don't think so. It later took off. It later took It's

55:59 nineteen seventy five, who knew what can Oh wait wait wait wait wait wait,

56:01 I'm thinking we're talking twenty sixteen. Still Oh no, not that time.

56:07 Oh if you're on about that case. Yeah, they tried to film

56:09 Karas Clark and people tried to film that, but the phones wouldn't work.

56:14 They switched off. It's like something was interfering with it. Like I said,

56:16 that's a big case. That would take me like hours to really go

56:20 into the big Okay, so now we're back on North Wales. Yes,

56:25 but yeah, I was just giving you a history of some of the cases

56:29 in this area. That was a that was a really good one and part

56:34 later on Pot was later interviewed and people talked about. But I think in

56:37 the end she got sick and tired of talking about it because there was a

56:38 lot of ridicules surrounding here as well, which is typical of people in this

56:43 world. I mean, for God's sake, grow up, especially back then.

56:47 I mean, it wasn't something it was something that was still being denied

56:52 by the government. It was something that was you know, actively being engaged

56:55 by the government to discredit and disguing to people from coming forward. We know

57:01 this, It's just a fact. So yeah, I mean, I think

57:07 Wales is rich in history and you know, could that you could there be

57:15 a deeper tie to why these UFOs are seen in that area. I'll get

57:22 into that nowe because this is going to tie into what is this will tie

57:25 in on page starting around page forty five. I have another case that I

57:30 came across this is in nineteen seventy nine. I actually met one of the

57:34 original witnesses during a trip up there. What happened? What is this is

57:37 in klanechemev so very well she named. But it was behind a residential area

57:44 on farmland, and it was daytime actually I was getting dark. I believe

57:47 the sun was starting to go down. I think it was early years as

57:50 well, like January February time. Okay, kind of believes exact day I

57:53 got it here. Oh yeah, November fifth, nineteen seventy nine. This

58:00 one involved like a rocket or bullet shaped thing coming out of the sky and

58:05 landing in a field, sort of obscured by the dip in the banking below.

58:09 But three occupants seven feet tall came out of this thing, and they

58:13 were wearing these sort of like radiation looking suits, you know, the kind

58:15 you find in nuclear spills. Yes, of course, and one of them,

58:20 you know, one of the And this case was very well investigated by

58:23 BUFORA, which is like the British UFO research agency or association of that time.

58:30 I do have links to it in the book, and I have the

58:32 report that was made of it. And I just thought it was a very

58:36 unique case again North Wales. And you know, this is an image of

58:39 the actual description of it here. Wow, that's page can you actually can

58:49 you hold that up one more time? Yeah, let me just get back

58:52 to it. Sorry, I didn't realize you wanted to. That's This is

58:55 an that bears a striking semblance to something I've seen before. Yeah, not

59:05 myself personally, but a different case. Oh yeah, this has been seen

59:08 a lot of times. I mean Netflix are doing the series on what characters?

59:13 Yeah, yeah, Triangle Haven Triangle. Yeah, because where I live

59:20 in Boston, we have the we have the the oh my god, the

59:27 Bridgewater Triangle. I feel like everyone has a triangle, you know. But

59:31 yeah, this is this is very odd. Indeed, I don't know why

59:35 that is. Maybe it's just the way things line up on the map,

59:37 but it's interesting that the triangles have some very sort of fractal, fractal geometry

59:44 kind of look to it. Well, there's some sacred geometry. Yeah,

59:46 you know, I meant to say, I've been looking further into you know,

59:52 like people like Randall Coralson and Graham Hancock and and that all that stuff,

1:00:02 as well as sacred geometry and the more you know, could these could

1:00:08 there have been ancient cultures that that we're more advanced in a different way that

1:00:15 we are we would call advance like we think of as advance as technology,

1:00:21 right, like technology like what we're talking on right now. But could they

1:00:25 have had more advancement in other areas where we, like we're only now rediscovering.

1:00:32 So you know, it's an interesting it's an interesting thought. In Wales

1:00:37 is rich in history, I mean the area just itself. Well, yeah,

1:00:46 I'm gonna mention something that's always coming up. I mean, when we

1:00:51 talk about geometry and you talk about lens and triangles, obviously we're talking about

1:00:54 mathematics, and when you talk about ancient sume Aria, this is a culture

1:01:00 that just came out of nowhere in a very short space of time, you

1:01:02 know, I mean, it took a century or two or whatever, but

1:01:06 but in the cosmic scheme, it kind of just popped up. Yeah,

1:01:08 I mean just just you know, I mean, for millions of years or

1:01:10 whatever, we're wandering around from place to place, trying to hunt to gather,

1:01:15 and then all of a sudden we're just in no time at all,

1:01:16 within a few decades or centuries we've developed. They've developed the Sumerians, this

1:01:22 unbelievable mathematics, the hexagesonal system, I think it's called involving the number sixty.

1:01:28 And with that, they're mapping stars, they're mapping constellations, they're understanding

1:01:31 the movement of planets. They're they're coming up with I mean in Japan,

1:01:36 I'm seeing in China the kids use these little abacus things, you know,

1:01:40 these little well they got a little beads on little little yeah yeah, abicus.

1:01:45 Yeah, I mean, I mean they can do mathematics faster on that

1:01:49 than a calculator, you know what I mean. Yeah, I've seen eight

1:01:52 or ten year olds do that. Do that now with their heads, you

1:01:55 know, they can it's like, you know, so many billions times this,

1:02:00 you know minus whatever, like and it's like, yeah, that's what

1:02:02 it is. And all I'm saying is right, maybe they didn't have the

1:02:06 technology like electronics and digital and stuff like that, but maybe they understood something

1:02:10 with mathematics and the spiritual essence of things and you know, the physical the

1:02:17 physical surroundings. I guess maybe right. And and I hate to say it,

1:02:22 like like call it magic, but you know, in these texts and

1:02:28 in these in these these religions that are that are created out of this.

1:02:35 There's there's much talk about, you know, magical, you know, a

1:02:40 more magical era of the of the world, one that we think is now

1:02:47 all just folklore and fairy tale. But could it have been more real than

1:02:52 we think, you know, using using sound and frequency to lift objects?

1:03:00 Could that be a technology we know now that there is something too resonant frequency

1:03:05 as your point, energy is another thing that have become very, very very

1:03:09 hyper focused on. So what are your thoughts on some of those aspects of

1:03:15 the phenomena. Because we're not just talking about UFOs here, I want to

1:03:19 get a little bit more broader with you, but I lean towards pretty much

1:03:23 what you're saying there. With sounds and frequencies and resonans and stuff like that.

1:03:28 I've seen some really interesting videos where people have been able to do some

1:03:32 pretty impressive things with just sound. I mean, I've seen one let levitate

1:03:37 mag bring, you know, attract things without magnets. I mean, I've

1:03:42 even seen one guy using sound. He didn't you know how he done it.

1:03:45 I guess it was just magic. But he would use like a little

1:03:47 little sound device he tuned into a frequency with some sort of coil inside this

1:03:52 little metal ball, and he's stick it in a stick it in a bowl

1:03:55 of water, and he boil it with sound. Boil it with sound.

1:04:00 He boiled water with sound, and he could literally boil it, you know

1:04:02 what I mean it did. It didn't use heat or you know, some

1:04:06 sort of stove or electric kettle. This is just putting his hand on it

1:04:11 like this. Nothing nothing, nothing, stick stick it in a bit of

1:04:14 water, and off it went. You know. I boiled it very quickly

1:04:16 as well. That's amazing. And I mean I've seen stories about Coral Castle

1:04:24 Edward Lee Scallion. Have you ever heard of that one? Yes, yes,

1:04:27 yes, yeah, years ago. I came across it myself. But

1:04:32 I mean the story goes, and this story has I don't think the story

1:04:35 has ever been that refuted. He was able to move these huge stone blocks,

1:04:42 you know, like a ton or two ton or three ton. I

1:04:45 think the biggest one may have been five and he's just doing He's building this

1:04:47 place all by himself, and some people are sort of like curious, you

1:04:51 know, trying to get a vantage point of what he's doing, and they

1:04:55 would describe him using a device and the's like two things he would attach on

1:04:59 the end of a rock or there or there, and he would just levitate

1:05:01 huge things on his own. That's just going by the stories. The coral

1:05:05 castle is really you can see it for yourself, and everybody knows. He

1:05:11 didn't use winches or forklifts or flatbed trucks or some sort of heavy lifting hydraulics.

1:05:17 He just did it all himself within no time at all. There it

1:05:21 is, you know, so, and I think some people did press him

1:05:26 on this is how did you do this? I mean, I mean the

1:05:29 word is you didn't use any of that stuff. I just said, you

1:05:30 know, he says, oh, I just discovered the secret of the ancients.

1:05:33 He wouldn't share it because I think he knew people would abuse it,

1:05:38 but that that is definitely that is definitely something I'm very impressed. And we

1:05:45 know that these alternative energy devices that are they become, you know, something

1:05:48 that's being talked about more and more frequently in the mainstream because of you know,

1:05:55 just the topic becoming more mainstream. You know, I what do you

1:06:00 think about everything that's going on in the current sphere of UFOs in the United

1:06:06 States government specifically. I think there is a plan for disclosure, but it's

1:06:14 been done any pace. Yeah, process, Yeah, I think people,

1:06:18 I guess would just say, can you get to the end stage because we

1:06:20 kind of went through the process a long time ago. But obviously there's I

1:06:25 mean, they're using new language, non human biologics and non human intelligence and

1:06:30 identified a hereal phenomena. I think what they're literally doing right now is they're

1:06:34 just confirming what we've already known for a long time that yes they're real,

1:06:39 Yes they've been crashed, Yes you've recovered them, and yes you have actually

1:06:45 probably set up places for back engineering. It's David Grusha, I think,

1:06:50 along with the guy from the nimitzan can forget his name, is that the

1:06:56 pilot. The pilot is Favor and then which is a he's a friend and

1:07:02 Kevin Day is the the He was the radar operator that vector. He's a

1:07:08 good friend of mine, like a really good friend. I've actually stayed in

1:07:11 his house. He's the one who vectored the flight. So he he's the

1:07:19 one who was like, guys, I've been tracking these things for days.

1:07:25 We need to go see what they are. So yes, yeah, what

1:07:30 can you say you got pilots who are coming forward telling you the technology is

1:07:33 unlike anything we've ever been able to replicate or we could. I mean,

1:07:39 I mean, his jet at the time was supposed to be state of the

1:07:41 art, and this thing was of the best. Yeah, this thing was

1:07:45 making him look like you know, it was like you know, I guess

1:07:48 it's like lasers and photon beans versus a stone age catapult, you know.

1:07:55 Right. So anyway, Yeah, the I think we I think Trump before

1:08:00 he left office, he made sign an executive order. Yeah, he told

1:08:04 them, look, you're gonna disclose everything, you know. I think I

1:08:09 understood that. There was a report released in June of twenty twenty one where

1:08:13 they actually said certain amounts of UAPs, they've only been able to identify one

1:08:16 one out of one hundred and forty cases. I do, I do,

1:08:20 you know, I was discussing this before. I do believe they've actually upgraded

1:08:26 that report now, and I think they've added a number to it. It's

1:08:29 more like up to three hundred now, three hundred and something, Yeah,

1:08:31 yeah, three sixty or something like that. That that's gone, that's kind

1:08:36 of gone under the radar rather quietly. If you'll ask me. That's quite

1:08:40 significant because that's a confirmation of things you and I have been looking into for

1:08:44 years and people have denied it. So I think we're we're at there now,

1:08:47 We're at the stage now you can't deny it. They know it's real.

1:08:49 It's time that people started asking questions of the government. I know here

1:08:54 in the UK that's not going to happen because which disappoints me. It really

1:08:58 does, because you know, I've had congressmanber Shett on the show. You

1:09:02 know, I've talked to not my congressman, but a congressman of a completely

1:09:09 different state who ran, or was supposed to run, and kind of ran

1:09:14 the UFO hearing. He was instrumental in its conception and it's followed through.

1:09:24 I was able to sit with him and talk about it, you know,

1:09:26 So, like, why isn't that happening in your country? Oh, to

1:09:31 be honest with you, I've noticed a serious downward trend of complete ignorance in

1:09:39 all areas of life in the UK. I mean when I live in Wales,

1:09:43 I mean we're getting this impression. Now, I wouldn't call it an

1:09:46 impression anymore. For me, our government has just become a dictator. They're

1:09:50 telling us what to do. I mean, they just recently passed the lower

1:09:54 over here that twenty miles an hour is now everywhere, you know, in

1:09:59 towns, cities and certain areas of the country, you know. I mean

1:10:03 they we've had a twenty mile an hour law for schools and you know,

1:10:06 like hospitals and stuff, because you're dealing with very fragile and sensitive areas where

1:10:11 kids and people could But what I'm trying to say is is that we didn't

1:10:14 ask for it, We didn't give us a vote on it, just did

1:10:17 it onto you. Yeah, so that fun. Yeah, that's that's kind

1:10:24 of weird. Yeah, but I mean the Welsh government's a joke. To

1:10:28 be perfectly honest with it, we call it's it's it's like everything the World

1:10:31 Economic Forum wants. The leader of this country just seems to sign off on

1:10:35 it. Mark Drickford just goes, yeah, we'll do that, and we'll

1:10:38 do that too, and we'll do that too. And I know, if

1:10:43 I can mention this, you know, I mean there's an organization that I

1:10:45 have been helping. It's called Public Child Protection Whales. Just to cut a

1:10:48 long story short, I know you have problems with this in your country too.

1:10:53 It's where they're trying to sexualize children with a new type of sex education

1:10:56 system, not the current one, but this new one they're bringing in bringing

1:11:00 in now, and it's already having a detrimental effect on children's mental healths.

1:11:04 Again and confuse, they don't know what they are. You know, they're

1:11:08 being told I mean their kids now would be we're identifying as animals, and

1:11:11 the and the teachers, all the people they high and they go along with

1:11:14 it like it's some normal thing. It's like, no, no, we

1:11:18 you know, we as a society, we all agree that children do not

1:11:25 know what they want and they do they do not know what they need.

1:11:30 And that's why their parents are around right for the first eighteen years, because

1:11:36 we need they need the guidance. Right they're they're learning who they are up

1:11:41 all the way until twenty two, twenty three years old. We should not

1:11:45 be telling them that they can be an a that they can they can change

1:11:48 their their their they can alter their body in any way. We don't let

1:11:58 them drink beer in most countries until they're twenty one. You should not be

1:12:02 able to alter your body until that age as well. Exactly just saying with

1:12:11 a license to cars, buying certain products over the county, you know you've

1:12:15 got to be of a certain age to get these things. Is yeah,

1:12:19 even when you want to get even when you want to get married or legally

1:12:24 have kids or something. I don't know, you asked for licenses, and

1:12:27 certainly we say why. Well, the point I'm making is right that the

1:12:30 public child protection wills wanted to have a conference or a meeting about this.

1:12:35 They had to get so many signatures for a certain thing. They got those

1:12:39 signatures in a short space of time. The government said, whatever we're not

1:12:43 doing, We're not going to follow the legal channels we set up. Then

1:12:45 they took them to court and they actually got a judicial review. That means,

1:12:50 you know, a judges looked at this thing that they're trying to do

1:12:54 without our consent. They didn't ask us, they just did it, and

1:12:59 they said there's some rious concerns here and you're we need to have a look

1:13:03 at this. And then there was a big court case and a big thing

1:13:05 about it. But you know, I think that the judge never really gave

1:13:10 it a fair, fair process, and they tried taking it. I think

1:13:14 they wanted to take it. They tried getting an appeal that was denied.

1:13:17 Then I think they were looking at the bigger courts in the land and they

1:13:19 said, well, we don't think you're going to be able to fund this

1:13:23 this case over a long period of time, given the cost of the funds

1:13:26 and everything. So they just denied it, and they've been rolling it out

1:13:30 in places. I mean, the thing that worries me is is that we're

1:13:34 telling you we don't want it, we don't ask for it. This is

1:13:39 the mentality I'm getting to now right not discussing the full detail of this,

1:13:42 is that with the twenty mile an hour, the fifteen minute cities, the

1:13:45 Green Agenda, that the Sexual Education RS thing, we didn't ask for any

1:13:49 of this and you're just doing it. And it's the same with England,

1:13:51 Scotland, Northern Ireland, Thetunity as a whole, ules in Bloody London,

1:13:57 I mean that went down, well, they're chopping all the cameras down over

1:13:59 there. The point is, it's like when it comes to the anything that

1:14:02 the public is asking for, they do the opposite. Anyone harms the public,

1:14:06 they do we can ask for. It's like there's been a big buzz

1:14:11 around all this now. I mean I even wrote to my damn MP about

1:14:16 all this. You know, maybe we should set up some kind of office

1:14:18 or would you support I should have gone, I don't you. Yeah,

1:14:24 I asked people, can you write to your MPs and ask them just just

1:14:27 let's just get the ball wrong here a little bit, because we want to

1:14:31 Me and Ka's Clark were going to set up a process, a petition for

1:14:36 disclosure, not the seven office to investigate, not to have ask anyone now

1:14:42 to take reports and investigate or do detailed analysis. So start telling us everything,

1:14:48 you know, because we're at that stage now where we know these things

1:14:51 are really because in America you're saying it in other places, you know,

1:14:56 and as much as many people don't like Russia, the even they have a

1:14:58 sort of disclosure thing go going on. I mean I saw it was going

1:15:01 on with Ukraine. I mean I wish it never happened, but yeah,

1:15:03 make those decisions. But the point is in the UFO is when it comes

1:15:06 to like the stigma's over now we can we're ready, there's no there's no

1:15:14 there's no need for secrecy. Would you be interested in looking at it?

1:15:16 And they just go no, Nope and that's such such an ignorant stance,

1:15:25 and and you know what, history won't be kind to the The history won't

1:15:32 be kind of those who won't take risks, bold action and chances. So

1:15:39 you know that's you know, a lot of people complain about living in the

1:15:42 United States, but not me. I think, uh, you know,

1:15:45 as far as that goes, I I I have my complaints, but I

1:15:51 still I still think that we're you know, at the forefront of of of

1:15:56 of almost uh all industries. So you know, I like it here.

1:16:02 Well, we were talking about before. Let me think about the bodies of

1:16:10 water. Now, there have been other cases that I mentioned. I'm not

1:16:13 gonna waste more time, but the one called Night of the Triangles. That

1:16:16 was a free triangle case craft that was seen going through all of Wales from

1:16:20 south to north and then headed out to to Liverpool off the coast of Liverpool

1:16:25 or Blackpool or something and maybe both. I don't know anyway, but that

1:16:28 part of England. There have been many things seen coming out of the sea

1:16:31 in in North Wales. I've got a lady now who sent me something about

1:16:39 a craft that looked like a V shaped craft and it looked like how can

1:16:43 I describe like boxes curved boxes put together, you know, in a sort

1:16:45 of V formation. And she's telling me she saw something up there, and

1:16:50 I'm just trying to get more and more evidence and things about that. The

1:16:54 point is that there are people like myself who believe. I can't say I

1:16:59 can confirm this, but we are very strong on the idea now that there's

1:17:02 an underwater base of some kind out to the north part of Wales, which

1:17:05 is why the sightings so frigging numerous, and why so many people are seeing

1:17:11 them out at sea, going in or out or up or down around that

1:17:15 area. So yeah, if I can just ask you to do something,

1:17:19 this is going to tie in lovely with this Slide forty three, all right,

1:17:25 yeah, and I just gotta wrap up in a moment. How long

1:17:28 do we have. I have probably another five minutes because I gotta make it

1:17:31 to her by four. So slide forty three. This is Gary Rowe.

1:17:39 He's an investigator UFO investigator of many decades, probably one of the best ones

1:17:43 I've encountered, really very knowledgeable. Should be getting I don't know whether this

1:17:47 is called Europe's for oswell UFO crash at Aberystwyth, which is in the area

1:17:51 around the Berwin Mountain. I told you about that thing, that thing on

1:17:56 the Gary Rowe was told about some bree in some land of farmland or whatever,

1:18:02 and that he went and got his team together to look for The military

1:18:09 had been there, covered it all up, cleansed the area like so many

1:18:15 have come across. But he did find he thought, well, as quick

1:18:17 as they may have been and as efficient they may have been, they couldn't

1:18:19 have got it all. And he found those pieces right there. And according

1:18:24 to his documentary, which was done by Mark Olly, I've never met the

1:18:28 guy, but he did a good job on this. I liked it.

1:18:30 There's a book coming out on it as well. Actually there's supposed to be

1:18:32 a lot more. But those pieces he recovered there, he says, I

1:18:38 mean, those are my photographs of it. He says that that large piece

1:18:42 is like a like something on an aircraft, but the paint is very aerodynamic

1:18:45 and advanced, and it's it's like, why aren't we covering our aircraft military

1:18:53 or even commercial in this thing. It's so aerodynamic and incredible at silvery piece,

1:18:59 I believe, he said, it's like tinfall, but it's so strong.

1:19:01 You know, you couldn't hurt it with a hammer. That polystinery bit

1:19:05 there in the middle and the bottom left. That's again it's like a honeycomb

1:19:11 sort of style r and you can it's so light, it's like polystyary,

1:19:15 but you can stand on it and hit it with something heavy. Apparently,

1:19:19 and I say apparently, I've never seen him do it, but I mean,

1:19:24 I don't have any reason to disbelieve this man. The partly that that

1:19:29 is incredibly strong material, that's physical evidence he found as something. The aluminum,

1:19:33 it really intrigues me because we hear about that in Virginia, we hear

1:19:38 about that in Roswell, we hear about that in so many cases where there's

1:19:43 this metal where you know, it's almost like aluminum, but it'll it's like

1:19:48 a indestractible and it's got tremendous, tremendous strength for something for what appears to

1:19:57 be quite light exactly exactly. So listen, Garry, I would love to

1:20:01 have you back, because I know we only have a limit amount of time

1:20:03 today, but I would love to have you back to talk about the the

1:20:09 other the other incident, the pent Turk incident. If you if you be

1:20:14 on board at that, we could do that sometime in the next month or

1:20:17 so. And I'm not joking, you know, if you ever need help

1:20:21 on anything, you know, I went to film school and I have a

1:20:27 plethora of of of stuff, so I'd love to I'm trying to get more

1:20:31 boots on the ground and make more videos that are like docu style and and

1:20:39 and you know, start off by putting them on YouTube, but then hopefully

1:20:43 selling them, you know, selling them as as full feature length documentaries.

1:20:47 Yeah, yeah, well yeah, I'll just say, yeah, you know,

1:20:50 Danie Lights, I think everyone can now see that's a pretty I mean,

1:20:56 I call it a truthful argument for the existence of UFOs, not because

1:20:59 I'm can to prove it. I'm just saying, if you're pointing to someone

1:21:02 who's just getting into this or says, okay, you know skeptic even now,

1:21:06 show me a case that actually does that, then there you go.

1:21:10 There you go what it is right there? Yeah, it's available on Amazon.

1:21:14 You can get it on Kindle audiobook as well. You know, some

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1:21:24 I mean, I'm trying to get the sales up, you know,

1:21:26 I'm trying to get this case out there. It's hard work, you know,

1:21:28 especially with Christmas and money being tightened. Everyone's watballets and persons and everything.

1:21:32 But yeah, if you could leave a review, if you've ever written

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