#92 Teresa Tindal- Former UFO lobbyist & State Director of MUFON (MD)/Experiencer & Researcher.

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0:05 years. Hi, guys, welcome back to Total Disclosure. My name is

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0:53 It is part of our listener or community experience, our volume you. So

1:00 this is the second incarnation of UH such and I'm super excited to have Teresa

1:07 Tindall here. UH. She is a former UFO lobbyist, one of the

1:12 first in Washington, d C to register and to be a lobbyist of this

1:19 topic such as UH, you know, like with their uh, the the

1:23 likes of Stephen Bassett and and and really the people that paved the way for

1:27 what we're doing now, and all of the congressional involvement and the d C

1:33 involvement and all the bills that are being passed. I mean, it can

1:36 all be really traced back to the original grassroots movement that started a long time

1:42 ago, right a long time before most of us got into the community.

1:46 So we have a lot to learn from people like Teresa, like Stephen Bassett,

1:51 UH, like Richard Dolan and all those who came before us. UH.

1:53 And it is our duty to UH you know, grab the torch from

1:59 people like the and and run with it because in this day and age,

2:02 uh, we need to keep pressure on the government. And if today is

2:06 anything to speak for that volume, I don't know what is. Uh.

2:10 So again, she was also the former state director and she's gonna tell you

2:16 all about that. Uh. Here is Teresa Tindall. Teresa, thank you

2:22 for joining the show today. Thank you for having me on TI. I

2:25 really appreciate it. Yeah, so you're a move On state, So so

2:31 you you move on. Of course people know this as the mutual uphone network.

2:38 They investigate cases in your origin story. Is that really you know?

2:46 Uh? A pivotal pivotal organization? Is that how you get your start?

2:52 I think move On can be a really good way to learn a lot about

2:58 what's happened, what is continuing to happen. It's a good way to network.

3:02 MoveOn is a good organization. There are complaints about it, and I

3:06 understand those. You know, nothing's going to be perfect, but it's a

3:08 purely civilian run organization. It is the oldest civilian run organization UFO organization that's

3:16 also globally based. It has the largest civilian database of UFO sightings and experiences

3:25 going back to like the nineteen sixties. I believe it's a pretty important organization.

3:31 And I was the Maryland Movefon director and then prior to that, I

3:37 was a field investigator with in Virginia and Kentucky and a MoveOn member for over

3:43 fifteen years. Well, and that experience with MoveOn being a field investigator,

3:53 being boots on the ground, you know, what was that like an and

4:00 did it? Did it grow your fascination in the topic. Is that where

4:03 you kind of I mean, aside from your own experiences, which we'll get

4:08 into later, you know, is this really where you you figure out that

4:14 this is this is really happening. Yeah, I mean, I think it's

4:18 a great way for you know, a lot of experiencers feel very alone and

4:24 very islated, and it's a it's a fantastic way to find camaraderie to know

4:30 that you're not nuts, you're not crazy, you're not imagining things. And

4:34 I think that's probably what draws most people to move on initially. And then

4:40 if you want to go further and you have the time, you can become

4:43 a field investigator. You know, you have to work for it, you

4:46 have to study for it. You have to go to trainings, if you

4:48 know, just buy you know, you don't just buy a book. I

4:50 mean, it's actually pretty extensive training and I learned a lot. And then

4:55 working cases was pretty fascinating, you know. I you did it for years

5:00 and years, and then as a state director, you know, I was

5:03 able to see all of the cases that were coming in and it really provides

5:08 a broad spectrum view of and also in quite a lot of depth into a

5:16 lot of these cases and what's happening. I saw incredible footage that people would

5:21 send in. You know, this stuff isn't made up, you know,

5:27 And I'm really glad to see that the stigma is being removed because I've seen

5:32 a lot of people, you know, we've lost a lot of people to

5:38 mental health issues because of feeling so isolated, and so I think it's just

5:43 it's And now we have uap MED, which is fantastic, so you can

5:46 go to your doctor and they they don't think you're crazy. So I'm really

5:51 happy to see the community kind of rallying around the experiencers more so we don't

5:57 lose more brothers and sisters because it's a very isolating experience that our current culture

6:02 doesn't really account for I mean, you know, a few hundred years ago,

6:05 it would have been classified as religious phenomenon and they would have had more

6:12 of a context to put these experiences in. But because we're not really a

6:17 religious society anymore, and you know, we're a materialistic we have materialistic,

6:24 scientific worldview, there hasn't really been a place to put these experiences and that's

6:30 very hard for people. So I do think move On is a good place

6:33 for people to come together and I certainly learned a lot. Yeah, and

6:38 I think that's a super super positive, super positive way to put it.

6:46 And let's let's rewind the clock. What's your origin into the phenomenon? Because

6:57 I think a lot a lot of us have that moment, right. I

7:02 hate to take this from James Fox, but it's like that moment of contact

7:10 or moment of conversion that leads us down the path that we're that we you

7:17 know, that led us to this moment right now, having this conversation.

7:23 So tell me about your early life and you know how it all led up

7:30 to having your experiences and what those meant to you and how it continues to

7:38 drive you to this day. Yeah, So you know, the major USO

7:44 experience that I had was in nineteen eighty nine, when I was ten years

7:49 old in Tucson, Arizona. And I had come from a family of experiencers.

7:58 Every generation of my family had had UFO experiences, so I kind of

8:03 grew up hearing about it. Yeah, I mean some of the oldest stories

8:09 that I remember. You know, even as a toddler, I remember sitting

8:13 outside with my grandma in New Mexico after dark looking for UFOs because she,

8:20 I mean, everybody had you. So I was aware that there was something

8:24 and I was pretty I was pretty godsmacked when I had my own experience at

8:28 ten, you know. So what happened to me was it was just a

8:33 regular day after school, and I was the last key kid, like most

8:37 kids were. It was, you know, nineteen eighty nine, a single

8:41 working mom who was still at work and not home yet. And uh,

8:46 I was just inside my house and I was actually standing next to the kitchen

8:50 table, and I got a voice. It wasn't an auditory voice. It

8:54 was in my head, and even as a ten year old, I recognized,

8:58 well, this is very this is very strange. Yeah, And so

9:05 the voice actually said to me go outside and hit a bird with a rock.

9:13 And even as a ten year old, I was like, what,

9:16 you know, First of all, I love animals. I'm not going to

9:20 I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to try to hit a

9:22 bird with the rock. That's weird. But second, I couldn't even hit

9:31 a bird with the rock if I wanted to, So that's dumb. And

9:35 three, what the heck is this? You know? This is somebody talking

9:37 to Like, even at ten, I recognize this is not me my voice.

9:43 What is this you know? And but I'm communicating back telepathically, like

9:48 it's getting my thoughts. So we had like a probably like a five minute

9:54 conversation and what was really about twenty or thirty seconds because it was just it

9:58 was telepath And I think we have that capability now. I don't know that

10:05 we had those capabilities in nineteen eighty nine. I've heard my grandmother had a

10:09 similar experience in the nineteen fifties. I don't know that we had those capabilities

10:15 in the nineteen fifties. And this sort of telepathic communication thing goes all the

10:18 way back to the Bible. You know, we can talk about that later.

10:22 So if I went back and forth. I went back and forth with

10:26 this voice in my head that wanted me to go hit a bird with a

10:30 rock. I said, no, I'm not doing that, and then it

10:35 finally said it seemed kind of rushed, actually, and finally it said,

10:39 okay, we'll just go out and lay in your front yard and look up.

10:45 And I said, okay, well I agree to do that. Yes,

10:48 that's what I can do. Yeah, yeah, that's something I can

10:50 do. I'm not going to hurt a animal. I'm not going to throw

10:52 rocks like that's dumb. So, I mean, it's just it's weird.

11:00 It's it's a weird detail. But it's one that you know isn't made up

11:05 because it's so bizarre. Yeah, I couldn't. I'd be embarrassed to tell

11:09 you. I mean, it's it's embarrassing to even say it because it's so

11:13 weird. But when I look back now from a psychic perspective, that was

11:16 it's almost like that was a psychopath test, you know, will she hurt

11:22 an animal? You know? And then if I would have said yes,

11:26 I will hurt an animal, okay, well you know, forget it.

11:31 Hmmm. Yeah, that's that's a good way to look at it. That

11:35 is the only kind of sense I can make to go hurt an animal with

11:43 a rock. And I refuse immediately because I don't what is the purpose of

11:48 that, you know, it was. It was bizarre. So I went

11:52 outside and said, Okay, yes, I agree, that's something I can

11:56 do. I can go and lay down on the front yard and look up.

12:00 And anybody who's been in Arizona they know that you don't really have lawns,

12:03 you have gravel. So I laid down in the gravel front yard.

12:07 You know, I'm a kid, and I'm making you know, snow angels

12:11 in the gravel, just looking up whatever. I don't know what to expect.

12:16 And it really wasn't very long. It was a couple maybe a minute

12:18 or two. It wasn't very long. And a gold disc came into my

12:24 view. It was traveling west to east over Tucson, Arizona. And it's

12:30 not like I was in the country. I was in a suburban neighborhood on

12:33 the east side of Tucson and this gold disc. I saw it come into

12:39 my view over the rooftops. And this was daytime. It was about sunset.

12:43 It was clearly gold and sunset would have been on the opposite side,

12:50 so there's no way that was reflecting on the side that I was looking at.

12:54 It was a gold disc, which okay, yeah, that's what I

12:58 was going to ask, because I could it have been fully like a full,

13:05 fully reflective material that was bouncing the du you know, like the the

13:11 sunlight at that hour is like orange e right. Yeah, but you're saying

13:16 no, I was seeing the east side of the disk and the sun was

13:20 setting on the west side. Gotcha, gotcha? Yeah, beautiful. I

13:24 mean it was clearly gold. And you know, gold disc reports are very

13:30 unusual, and I know that because of experience and I've looked through the databases,

13:35 but when you look throughout history, they're actually the most common. And

13:37 we can get into that lad the flaming the flaming shields the Roman the Roman

13:46 saw right, that could be a good example, the flaming shields the sun

13:52 discs. I yeah, yeah. I had a great opportunity to speak with

13:56 the British theologian who actually did his PhD on sun disc worship, and I

14:03 just brought up I thought, Oh, this guy's gonna think I'm nuts,

14:07 but I'm going to go for it. And I you know, I said

14:09 to him, do you think there's a chance that they were seeing other worldly

14:13 craft and they were gold and they just called them sun discs because that was

14:18 the language they had at the time. He actually told me, yes,

14:22 that he thought that that was a really good possibility, because I was prepared

14:26 for you know, you're crazy and please block me. And that's not how

14:31 it happened. And you can actually find a lot of the gold disc symbology.

14:35 I mean, I've traced it. I just did a big move on

14:37 presentation on this many goes all the way back to ancient Egypt with the eye

14:41 of raw you know, the sun discs, like you said, the flaming

14:46 shield. I mean, Japan is known as the land of the Rising Sun

14:52 because of the sun goddesses, and that's the whole Shinto religion, right.

14:58 So anyways, so in his street there's a lot of gold discs. I

15:03 didn't know that obviously attend, but I do now. So this disc is

15:09 flying over my head and it's not doing any crazy maneuvers, you know,

15:13 it's not like zig zagging around doing flips. There's no fancy lights, there's

15:18 no So bring me back to bring me back to the gravel. Was there

15:26 any static? Was there any static in the air, Was there any low

15:31 frequency? There was nothing. It just it's silently glided overhead, okay,

15:43 and and not and very slowly. You know. It was not like zipping

15:48 and it was it was the typical sort of raised on the top gold disc.

15:56 And actually I just about fell. I just about had a heart attack.

15:58 I was watching National Geographic with my child and the Temple of one million

16:06 Golden Buddhas in Thailand, Watpra Damakaya. Anybody can look it up. They

16:14 have a temple made out of one million golden Buddhas in the shape of a

16:19 gold disc that literally looks like a ufo, literally looks like a uso,

16:26 and it is the largest religious complex in the world. It's even larger than

16:32 Vatican City. So they're obviously expecting a big turnout there. Yes. Have

16:37 you seen the the videos of the people in there? How many people they

16:44 get in there? Yeah, Yeah, it's incredible. Yeah, it's a

16:48 huge place for Buddhist pilgrimage. So there's something to that gold disc shape and

16:55 they're aware of it. So I saw this gold disc. It was bled

17:00 overhead and it just glided overhead and I and my best friend lived next door,

17:07 and I, you know, I wanted her to see it, and

17:10 I ran next door, you know, but by the time she got to

17:12 the door, you know, it was already off in the distance since she

17:15 could see that there was something there, but she couldn't see the specifics,

17:19 you know, like I had, But she could see that there was something

17:22 there. And it continued to glide east over Tucson, Arizona, towards the

17:29 mountain. There's a mountain. It's surrounded by mountain ranges, towards the mountain

17:33 range, and then it sort of seemed to cut off southernly as an approached

17:38 that mountain range to go around the mountains, and and that was it.

17:42 That was the beginning. That was the beginning. And then you know,

17:48 I started thinking back as I as I came across more and more cases,

17:52 some of them would resonate with me. And then I started to realize,

17:56 well, WHOA, I kind of had some strange, unexplained eperiences even prior

18:00 to that that I just didn't have any place. I didn't have a folder

18:06 to put them in, you know, like when I was five years old,

18:10 I don't Okay, hey, I understand how crazy. This sounds,

18:15 but other this is pretty historical. You can see it even in Christian biblical

18:19 texts. When I was five years old, I saw I saw a disembodied

18:26 hand come out from like behind the wall of the kitchen. I was sitting

18:33 on the couch and there was a wall, and I saw a man's hand

18:38 come out and give like a thumbs up like that, and it just and

18:48 it's yes, and it just seemed to And I remember it was a flannel

18:52 it was a blue flannel shirt and the sleeve was rolled up like the arms

19:00 stuck out from behind the kitchen wall, like giving me a thumbs up like

19:04 that. Okay, so like yeah, And it was it was low level.

19:11 It wasn't high in the air. It was I was a five year

19:12 old sitting on the couch, so it was about it my eye level,

19:15 and it was a thumbs up like this. And I and my mother,

19:21 My mother came in and I told her and it really scared her. And

19:25 I remember her telling me, Teresa, you're scaring me, and I'm I

19:27 said, well, Mom, I'm scared too. You know. She thought

19:30 there was a man in the house. I did too. It was scary,

19:33 But that's actually a thing and it's called the Hidden Hand. And then

19:41 if you look into this gets into a whole nother thing with Masonic stuff and

19:45 all of that. You'll see them with the hand like this and their jacket

19:49 that represents the Hidden Hand, and that maybe I don't I don't know.

19:56 I just know it happened. So that was the UFO. So those things

20:03 happened. The UFO experience happened. But then very shortly after that, I

20:07 began to have prophetic dreams and that has gone on for my entire life.

20:15 And I developed an esp ability also, and there's also been that voice has

20:25 continued and it's actually my life on more than one occasion. I mean,

20:30 it even told me when Hurricane Katrina was going to come. I was on

20:36 the Mississippi Gulf coast prior to Hurricane Katrina, and it even warned me about

20:41 Katrina about two months in advance. And I was married to a colonel at

20:45 the time, an Air Force colonel, and I told him, I said

20:48 there's a storm coming, and he didn't believe me, and I actually left.

20:55 I left both. I left him. I left Biloxi. I packed

20:59 up my dog and I said, I'm getting out of here. Because I

21:02 know this thing is coming, and sure enough, a few weeks later,

21:04 I think it was beginning and the end of October, beginning of no November,

21:08 Katrina hit. And so it's just been a pattern like that throughout my

21:15 entire life. So that's that's like that because that is also something that we

21:26 see in other accounts, like this voice that you know, your voice seems

21:36 to to be there all the time, but like as in like you have

21:41 access to it a lot more. But like people often say that you know

21:48 if if yes, Let's give an example, like they're on the highway and

21:53 they look down for a second and they veer off in some thing says looked

22:00 up in at the last minute, they look up and avoid like a terrible

22:06 car wreck that would have killed them and three other people. Right, this

22:11 is something that we hear, Yeah, I know because I've had it.

22:18 Oh, you've experienced it too. See people who've experienced it, they know.

22:22 And then when you experienced something not extraordinary, you either deny it,

22:29 you know. And but for me, my fire was so lit. I

22:33 started researching UFOs at ten years old, and I've been doing that now for

22:37 thirty four years. I'm forty four and so as I went through you know,

22:41 high school, well you don't look a day over twenty five. Oh

22:45 you're so sweet, thank you. But yeah, so this is really what

22:51 influenced my entire education. You know, I got a bachelor's I got a

22:56 Bachelor of Science and in psychology, and then I began pursuing my doctorate in

23:03 clinical psychology because I wanted to understand how did that telepathy work, you know,

23:12 in nineteen eighty nine. And now I think we do have that technology.

23:15 Now, I don't know that we had that nineteen eighty nine. We

23:19 didn't even have home computers barely, I mean very few people, I mean,

23:25 and we were playing Super Mario Brothers. We didn't have cell phones,

23:29 and certainly in the fifties, my grandmother excit mean, yeah, we're still

23:33 talking Atari cartridges at the time, right, So I'm not really sure that

23:38 we had that capability then. And this is, you know, if you're

23:42 going to talk in religious terms, which there's a lot of overlap here,

23:48 and I understand that maybe controversial, but that it is, I mean,

23:52 that's that's what it is. You know. So historically, in religious terms,

23:56 that would have been referred to as the Holy Spirit, the Voice.

24:00 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm sorry. Good. Yeah, so that

24:07 that would have been referred to the voice or the gift of the Holy Spirit,

24:11 you know, because that's I mean, that's what that's what it did,

24:14 you know. I mean even this is very and it's not just the

24:18 Christian Bible. I'm just using this as an example because it's what most Western

24:22 people and Americans are familiar with. But you know, it happened to Mary

24:26 and Joseph. You know, Mary, Mary was told you're going to have

24:30 a baby, and you know, Joseph was told in a prophetic dream,

24:34 Mary's going to have a baby, and you have to raise that baby.

24:40 There were injuries. I mean, Saul was blinded on the road to Damascus,

24:45 you know. There there. I think, you know, I think,

24:51 I really do, honestly believe that I'm quite certain that there has been

24:57 an ancient advant AT's presence on this earth. Now we could get into who

25:04 that is. We could, but that we're speculating relief. Let me ask

25:10 you this, do you think that there is a higher probability that what we

25:18 refer to as gods are this same advanced species or other advanced civilizations? You

25:33 know, who knows how many are out there. Do you think that.

25:37 I mean, we know, we know for a fact that what we can't

25:42 understand or perceive we often consider as magic, right so, or or like

25:53 supernatural? Yes, so, could the name have just been changed through the

25:59 year. Absolutely, I think that's exactly what has happened, because I think

26:04 when you look back now on a lot of these great holy books, and

26:08 again not just the Bible, but you know, so many of the Indian

26:14 texts, you know, and if you look back to you know, ancient

26:18 Mesopotamia, if you look back to you know, Gilgamesh, you look back

26:22 to the oldest recorded history that we have, this is what they're talking about.

26:29 And I think it's the same phenomenon. The language just changes as the

26:33 worldview changes, you know. And now, and I've heard a lot of

26:38 people talk about this when they after if you shift your perspective just slightly and

26:47 you go back and you look at these scriptures from a scientific point of view,

26:52 they're not so magical anymore. You know. It's not so much you

26:56 have a man, you know, in some kind of flying ship come down

27:00 from the sky like that. That's not that's not so mysterious and magical anymore.

27:08 Or a breathing dragon. Right, yeah, right, like a fire

27:15 breathing dragon. You know, that's a that that's a really good way to

27:19 describe a craft that is exerting, you know, a cylindrical craft that is

27:26 exerting some sort of plume of fire or you know, some sort of you

27:33 know, red color that would yeah, propulsion, I you know, whatever

27:42 it is, it's just like it all when you look at it through this

27:47 lens, you are. It solves so many problems or or issues in the

27:53 mainstream way of of our origin story, if you will, it does.

28:00 Yeah. And you know, so I've spent after I left d C.

28:03 I left d C during the pandemic. Bassett and I had an office in

28:07 the National Press Building and we were about to we had everything ready. We

28:12 were about to do the the first video podcast out of d C on Disclosure.

28:19 We had we had that, We had the office, we had the

28:22 bat, we had everything, we had the setup, we had everything,

28:26 and then COVID hit and you know, everything got shut down. D C

28:30 was really shut down, so that didn't work out, you know. And

28:37 after I left d C, I sort of I unregistered as a lobbyist because

28:41 there's actually a lot of work that goes into just maintaining your your lobbying license.

28:48 And I wasn't there anymore. And even then when I was there,

28:51 I realized I was hitting my head up against the wall. And then so

28:56 I decided to switch my focus to historical studies and specifically religious studies and specifically

29:04 religious art, because so many people were illiterate, you know, so the

29:11 art had to be able to really speak a thousand words, I mean,

29:15 and I can think of probably a hundred just Christian paintings that clearly depict disc

29:25 shaped objects with beams coming out of them. And if you look at the

29:29 Gnostic texts which were discovered in the not Hamadi library I believe in the forties,

29:36 one of them very specifically talks about Jesus was walking around in a beam

29:40 of light, and it specifically says it gave the people a lot of anxiety,

29:45 you know, and what was his transfiguration on the mountain where he started

29:48 to shine? You know, did a beam of light come down on him?

29:53 You know, there's any And then when you look at what Jesus said,

29:56 you know, I'm not from here. You know, my father is

30:00 in heaven. You know he was, and he spoke in parables, you

30:03 know, so it would be timeless and you know, right, yeah,

30:08 And one thing that really gets me, you know, and I can't remember

30:14 exactly which scripture is, but you know he said they're in a paraphrasing,

30:19 but he said, there are many rooms in my father's house, and I

30:25 go there to prepare them for you. And now that we know about exoplanets,

30:30 you know, is that what he was talking about, right that?

30:33 Because that would make like God, we would like to say that, Like

30:37 even the Vatican has come out and said that they would like, if there

30:41 is other life, that they would if they wanted to be baptized, we

30:45 would they would do it. And I think, like, you know,

30:52 the view is that God paints with the broad brush, and you know,

30:56 that's what they're leaning into now, is the idea that they that he didn't

31:03 just stop here. If there is a singular God, actually I think there

31:08 are probably multiple gods. You know, if you look at Judaism uh So,

31:15 Sarah and Abraham are actually Sumerian. So a lot of the Old the

31:22 a lot of the Old Testament are Sumerian stories, which are some of the

31:26 oldest stories that we have quite literally carved into stone. Literally, yeah,

31:32 yeah, that made it into the Old Testament. And you know, you

31:37 can look, I mean, you can just look all throughout. I really

31:41 began to look at ancient Persia because that's where I found the most. And

31:45 when I was studying ancient Persia, I was looking at the Zoroastrians. The

31:52 Zoroastrians are actually in the Bible. Most people don't realize that they were.

31:56 The Magi Magi is a Zoroastrian priest. And then when you say, okay,

32:05 if the magi and the symbol for Zoroastrianism is quite literally a bearded man

32:13 in a gold disc with landing gear and wings. And if you look all

32:20 throughout ancient Persia, you know, which is now primarily iron, it's everywhere.

32:27 It's everywhere, it's even carved over the tomb of Xerxes, and Xerxes

32:31 was a god king and uh and and and so who were the royalty?

32:37 Then a lot of them were the they had more of the genetics. Uh,

32:45 we were innerbread with And I think that's pretty clear from a lot of

32:49 the scriptures, you know, the the fallen angels, you know, and

32:54 thens of that, and that continues to this day. And I think there's

33:05 a good possibility. You know, Jesus was a hybrid. I mean,

33:07 if we just look, you know, his father was not from here,

33:12 His father was in heaven. By definition, right kind of you an angel

33:22 and an alien have the same definition. They are not of this earth.

33:28 You know. Now, whether they're angels or demons is a matter of perspective

33:32 and you know, a matter of intention, and you know that's a philosophical

33:37 debate. You know that personal choice. But there's still the same definition.

33:43 But do you agree that we have a problem in government where they are trying

33:51 there are people that are trying to hinder this process because they are they think

33:57 that we're tapping into some sort of demand and I know this is we're kind

34:04 of diverting back, but that we're dealing with some sort of demonic force.

34:13 I think that they'll say that, but I think what the honest truth is,

34:19 you know, and this is something that Burchette has said, yes,

34:22 and he actually this is his terminology, the religious industrial complex. I was

34:28 shocked to hear and Burchette use that terminology because I would suspect that's his primary

34:35 voting base. But I you know, yeah, they might say demons,

34:39 but I think the real concern is that, you know, this could completely

34:45 topple the religious industrial complex, which bring which is a multi billion dollar industry

34:52 a year, and they put a lot of money into candidates. Yes,

34:57 there's a lot of power, and there's a lot of money, and there's

35:00 a lot of social power there. And that's just one of the interests I

35:07 mean there are I mean, I can probably list off fifty interests if you

35:10 you know, but that's just one of the interests, you know, pertaining

35:14 to the religious part that we just discussed. You know, whether it's demonic,

35:17 I mean, you know that intention as a matter of perspective, you

35:22 know, is the lion evil for eating the gazelle? Well from the perspective

35:27 of the gazelle, you know. So, I mean those are those are

35:30 philosophical debates that you know. My angle is that I don't think that your

35:40 religious back, your religious beliefs, should hinder the advancement of studying this topic.

35:52 I don't think that anyone's belief system. That's not how science operates,

36:00 right. So, yes, there is components and they overlap, but we

36:07 cannot bring our religious beliefs and into this topic and studying UFOs because there are.

36:15 Like I said, there are people who think we're we're we're tampering with

36:19 something through the evil, and by instigating it, we're unleashing some sort of

36:24 force upon the earth. And that's that sounds nonsensical to me. Yeah,

36:31 I think that's you know, I think that's an excuse to not destroy the

36:38 religious industrial complex, the military industrial complex. And it's not like we have

36:43 any control over this anyway. I mean, if they are as powerful as

36:46 they if they are our creators, you know, and and they are,

36:51 they're responsible for the you know, the Egyptian gods, the Roman gods,

36:54 the Greek gods, you know, the Mayan gods. I mean, they

37:00 respond for the you know, did Juday's Judaism, Christianity and all of them,

37:06 Hinduism. You know, if if the hair responsible for you know,

37:10 those religious for those religions, you know, what we do really isn't going

37:19 to factor in to what they do. I mean, it's just it's I

37:22 don't believe that. I don't believe we have really any control. And I

37:27 do believe that if they wanted to destroy us, they would have already done

37:30 it. They apparently tried once with the flood and with the great flood that

37:35 every culture talks about, in which every culture we are told in school did

37:42 not have contact with each other. Yeah, and and so that's very clearly

37:47 documented. And you know, and then sodom and gomorrah. I mean,

37:52 if you the sun is right in my eyes, that go right, I

37:55 can see it. Yeah, they raised, should we pause for me to

38:02 can you edit it out? If we pause? Then I close the es.

38:07 Yeah, got it. I just I just created a mark rat marker

38:10 at Okay. Yeah, it looks like I have more paint on there.

38:23 That's much better. Okay, sorry about that. I'm ready to go again.

38:29 All right, So forty two twenty one, Okay, So yeah,

38:38 I do believe that, you know, I do believe that Timberst does say

38:46 it best with the religious industrial complex. That's a very it's it's great verb.

38:52 But she's a good friend of mine. You know, we converse here

38:57 and there about him on the show, and he is such a warrior for

39:00 truth. And you know, I may not agree with on all of his

39:05 politics, but he is certainly a champion and a warrior for this topic.

39:10 And we need more people like him. Yeah, he's he Actually there was

39:15 a pressor that just occurred about an hour before we started this podcast, and

39:21 which which we I think we were gonna Did you want to watch it a

39:28 little bit of it? Well, it's about it. It's about forty five

39:30 minutes long. Oh damn, yeah, but I can kind of just give

39:36 you a rundown. I give you the cliff Notes version, and I watched

39:38 about twenty minutes and then I got disgusted and turned it off. But you

39:44 know, it was it was It was Burchett, it was Luna, it

39:46 was Gates, there were some other people, and the bottom line is they

39:51 were saying, you know, they were stunned that they requested. These are

39:54 members of Congress and they requested these, you know, some sort of information

40:00 in these files. And Burchett specifically said that the intelligence community told him no,

40:07 and then he said that he clarified, oh you mean the Senate Intelligence

40:12 Committee and he said, no, the intelligence community shut us down, you

40:19 know, and so kind of their whole point square of the democracy. You

40:22 know, this isn't a democracy in Congress. It can't get access to what

40:27 they're asking for. So it really raises it raises a lot of questions in

40:32 red flags about absolutely in d C. Who controls things. It's supposed to

40:38 be Congress, but they can't even access what they're requesting. So do we

40:44 still live in a democracy? This is very concerning. Yeah, and I

40:50 could not agree more. If there is, if there is some party,

40:53 some faction inside the military and dushtrial and private sector that can reach through the

41:02 veil and single handedly kill a bill and and destroy it, that is not

41:13 democracy. That is clear that, I mean, that's clear foul play.

41:20 It is, and it's against our constitution and it's deeply concerning. But then

41:24 the question becomes, well, what are you going to do about it?

41:29 You know, if if the intelligence community has that much authority, what's anybody

41:34 going to do? I mean, what what do you write them a strongly

41:37 worded letter? So this this is short of a civil war? Right?

41:45 Well? Yeah, I mean we're in multiple proxy wars and yeah, yeah,

41:55 I I I I really want to get your thoughts on. I want

42:02 to keep that up here, but both of us up there as well.

42:09 Sorry for anyone listening right now. Nah, this is definitely the best,

42:17 all right. So, with with the Schumer Amendment, do you think that

42:29 if if the if that part of that the NASH the NDAA of fiscal year

42:37 twenty twenty four. If that segment of it does not pass, do you

42:40 think that will set back the UFO topic? Uh for for for the foreseeable

42:46 future. No. And you know a lot of people are going to disagree

42:53 with me on this, and that's okay. But this is just my experience,

43:00 an informed perspective. You know, I'm not looking to the government to

43:05 give me permission about what I know to be true and what I believe.

43:09 You know, everybody is expecting this, you know, Capital D disclosure,

43:15 where the President's going to come out and give an announcement extraterrestrials are real and

43:21 that's it. And and why though, you know I don't, well do

43:24 we look to our government for permission to believe other things? No? And

43:30 in fact, you know, whatever they say, I usually believe the opposite

43:32 of anyway I was in d C. Yeah, yeah, exactly, I

43:39 don't trust what they say anyway. And then whatever they do, they're only

43:45 doing it to benefit them. They're not They're not doing this because people want

43:49 to know about extraterrestrial life and oh, you know, we were going to

43:52 give that to them. That's not what they do, you know, And

43:55 this also is not the purview of government. This is this really falls under

44:02 the purfew the pure excuse me, purview of UH philosophy, theology, religion,

44:12 and exosciences. You know. So I understand the enthusiasm everybody has for

44:19 what's happening in Congress, but my expectations are I just I mildly follow it,

44:25 But I I why do I want? Why do I need these guys,

44:30 you know, to to to tell me what I've already read, you

44:35 know, in extreme in your own head, or it's hurt in my own

44:40 head, or seen for myself and read reports of thousands of other people who've

44:45 had the same thing, going back all the way to the recorded history.

44:49 So you know, there's been a phenomenon here. Tucker Carlson said this just

44:53 this week. You know there has been a phenomenon here for three thousand years.

44:58 I don't need my government to tell me whether it's real or not.

45:00 I can read for myself, and I suggest everybody does that. You know,

45:06 go and do some of your own homework. You know, one book

45:08 I really recommend right now is The Ancient Gods of the Bible by Marl Biglino.

45:15 And he was a former Vatican translator, and I'm actually a direct descendant

45:22 of the original Bible translator in English, William Tindall. Bible translation is so

45:29 important. Yeah, and I actually think he was an experiencer, and I

45:34 think that's probably what motivated him. He was burned at the stake for uh

45:39 translator Bible into English. Yeah, it was a huge defiance against the King

45:44 of England and the pope at the time because all of the Bibles were in

45:50 Latina and you would have to pay a Catholic priest to read to you a

45:57 couple passages out of the Bible. Was their kind of like their foothold on

46:02 the knowledge, and it was their bread and butter too. Yes, and

46:07 the Bibles were huge. The Bibles at that time were these big giant homes

46:13 that were chained down in the churches. So when William Tindall, who would

46:17 have been my uncle, and I've got the family and that's my last name

46:23 is Tindall. And so he spent his whole life learning all of the Hebrew,

46:30 the Greek, the Latin to be able to translate it into English.

46:37 And that was the time that the printing press came out. So yeah,

46:42 So not only did he translate it into English and defiance of the King of

46:45 England and the Pope. He had to flee to Germany to have it mass

46:52 printed, and it was the first pocket bible. He you know, he

46:55 printed the first, you know, pocket bible. And one of his you

47:00 know, one of his famous quotes was, you know, I want the

47:02 boy who plows the field to be able to read the Word of God.

47:07 And I think he was an experiencer to have been that motivated and to give

47:12 his life for it, because the king, King Henry the eighth, had

47:20 him burned at the steak. They strangled and the first they put him in

47:22 jail for six months and then they burned him at the stake. So he's

47:30 a Protestant martyr. And so anyways, I was going back tomorrow big Lino.

47:37 Sorry, Bible translators. So one of the books that I highly recommend

47:40 right now is Gods of the Bible by mar big Lino. You can get

47:46 English translations if you look him up on YouTube. He only speaks Italian.

47:51 He was a Vatican Bible translator and quite literally, the word for spirit was

47:57 mistranslated. The original Hebrew word for spirit was rua, and if you look

48:05 at the pictograph of rua. It is quite literally. I should have brought

48:10 a picture. It is quite literally a craft over water that looks like that.

48:22 That is the pictograph. Yep, here you go, are you dash

48:31 a? Okay? Oh my God. And and so that is the word

48:39 that was translated in the Bible as spirit. But clearly it looks like it

48:46 should be craft. But they didn't have word for craft, so that has

48:52 huge implications. It wasn't the Holy Spirit giving people messages. It was Holy

49:00 craft giving people messages. I mean, it changes everything, and you know,

49:07 I just it's so fascinating, you know, I just I read this

49:12 full time. I wish I could just get a degree. But you know,

49:14 there's no degree in you know, exo biblical studies yet there is yeah,

49:21 yeah, yet, Yet we're I honestly think that in the next five

49:28 to seven years there will be a degree that you can obtain or that you

49:35 will be able to obtain. But that is wishful thinking. I want to

49:42 get into a little bit about abductions. If if abductions, and I think

49:53 I was the first person maybe I don't know, I haven't really researched it

50:01 too far, but I was the first person that I know of. To

50:07 ask a sitting congress member what Congress could do if they found out that abductions

50:14 were taking place, and his answer was just simply, what could we do?

50:22 What are your thoughts on the abduction phenomenon and why it's been really left

50:30 out of the conversation. I think their multitude. I don't think that's just

50:39 one answer. I think there are multiple reasons for that. I think I

50:52 think that there have been some pretty horrible things done by people to other people

50:59 undercover of aliens. I believe that that's true. I've seen a lot of

51:04 injuries, a lot and a lot of illnesses. Now that's the part that

51:15 that's the part that they don't want to talk about. That's what's really hot,

51:19 that is going that that has the intelligence community dancing around this whole thing.

51:22 Okay, the criminal activity that may surround the secrecy. Yes, yeah,

51:30 it's never going to be prosecuted, it will never be acknowledged. I

51:35 understand why it was done. I mean, we have foreign adversaries who engage

51:39 in all kinds of unethical things all the time, and we have to keep

51:43 up with that. I mean, I understand it. Okay, it doesn't

51:45 make it right, But I think that's been I think that's been hidden inside

51:50 of the alien abduction community. Yeah, and I think if we were to

51:54 move forward, a truth and reconciliation process would be something that we should consider

52:02 because you know, we're, like I've said from the day one of this

52:07 podcast, we are going to have to meet the military industrial complex halfway.

52:14 And we and and if we're going to this pointing fingers and a uh uh

52:22 holding jail time over their heads, they're not gonna they're not gonna talk to

52:25 us because they're not going to incriminate themselves. Yeah, nobody's going to jail.

52:31 You know. That's why a lot of people have talked about amnesty.

52:35 You know. Okay, you know, fine, but I still don't the

52:39 only reason, Well, to answer your questions. So that's the first part

52:45 about abductions. Okay, I think that they've hidden some really horrible things there.

52:49 Okay, but I speculation. Okay. Second, I think that there

52:59 have been interact between us and I call it an ancient advanced presence. I

53:04 understand NHI is the terminology right now, but I call it an ancient advanced

53:08 presence. And there has been interaction between you know, humans and this ancient,

53:14 advanced presence, going back all the way to you know, the garden.

53:17 I mean even in Genesis, so you're not even you know, a

53:22 couple paragraphs into Genesis and it literally it says the gods plural, we're walking

53:29 through the garden. So they have been interacting. I think there were I

53:35 think we're genetically manipulated by them. I think that's I think that's what happened.

53:40 There's there's a lot of really good ancient texts to back that up.

53:46 And just yesterday I saw that they're going to be able to use AI to

53:52 read a lot of these ancient Sumerian texts just as quickly as you know English

53:57 or Spanish or anything else. That's going to be huge because I think there

54:01 are only four people in the world who can read Quneiform right now, so

54:07 that is going to be a treasure trove of information. I think they've been

54:10 interacting with us for a very long time, and it's not just one you

54:15 know, it's I view them as a group of very advanced scientists who had,

54:21 you know, ethical dilemmas just like we did. You know, was

54:23 it ethical to make a new creation? You know? And some of them

54:28 said no, and some of said, well, yeah, you know,

54:30 and we're having those same ethical arguments right now with our own creation, which

54:36 is ai. You know, will it be smarter than us? You know,

54:38 should we even do this? How dangerous is this? So I think

54:43 we're at a crossroads right now where we can sort of understand the same thought

54:46 processes somebody else might have gone through if they created us. And so I

54:52 think they've been interacting with us for you know, since the beginning. You

54:54 know, it's pretty well documented in every religious text you know, it was

55:00 was they were described as God stories. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, And

55:06 you know we talk about flying craft and almost all of these ancient texts craft

55:15 that or thing you know, flat flat flight flight often represented, you know,

55:23 like with the Anunaki uh with wings. But could that mean you know,

55:29 could that have been just misappropriation? Right like they could fly, It

55:37 doesn't mean they had wings, much like we describe angels. Angels were never

55:44 described as having wings, but we and all sculptures and most sculptures they're depicted

55:51 with wings and that's because they have the ability of flight. Now, could

55:54 that be you know, on a broader scale with this whole thing, I

55:59 think so, And there's there there again when you look at it with this

56:04 lens. I think there's even biological evidence the jump in our brain capacity.

56:09 Uh, our brain size doubled in the cosmic scale overnight. Yeah. The

56:19 missing link, the missing link has been you know, the biggest thorn in

56:22 the side of you know, archaeology and you know genetics, genetics. Yeah,

56:28 yeah, and and and that's I'm convinced that that's what it is,

56:31 you know, And I think they know this. I think it's just a

56:35 matter you know, science especially changes very slowly. Just the pure review process

56:43 alone, you know, takes years. There's a funny thing with that I

56:49 heard, and it's science. Uh, it's something about like science is waiting

57:00 for the next generation to die off. Basically, right, it's always waiting

57:06 for the next the old generation to die off so the new ones can come

57:13 in, you know, with the more modern views and the more it was

57:16 something to that degree. I just butchered it. It wasn't funny when I

57:20 said it. I clearly fumbled that. Yeah. So no, but that's

57:25 exactly true. Like Kissinger's death, I think that is going to be huge

57:31 because you know, he came my understanding and I have not done. I

57:36 don't have a PhD in this, so if I misquote, you know,

57:39 I do apologize. But my understanding is that he did have contact with the

57:44 Nazis. It was the Nazis who were doing all this research in the first

57:47 place. We know that we brought those guys over in paper clip they Los

57:54 Alamos, They went into all of our you know, so they brought that

57:58 stuff. And then Kissinger was involved with Army Air Corps, who was the

58:02 uh, you know, the intelligence prior to you know, the Air Force

58:06 and the CIA. So kiss it's my understanding that Kissinger had a lot to

58:10 do with the truth embargo, as Bassett would say, and uh, you

58:19 know, so I think what you just said, there's so much validity to

58:23 it. As you know, as the old guard kind of passes on,

58:28 you know, we've got a new we've got new generations of leadership now who

58:31 have some different views on things, and and I think that that's going to

58:36 lead to a lot of progress, you know. And there you know,

58:38 there are a lot of other factors too, We're going to into We're we're

58:43 already in a major war and it's and I don't we're teetering on World War

58:50 three right now. Yeah, So you know, I expect you know,

58:55 every war brings out new technology. It was the military, the internet,

59:01 you know, And I think this war is going to be very different.

59:06 I think it's going to be a space war. I think we might see

59:08 some technology. I think there might be some military Well Gary McKinnon, you

59:17 know he uncovered the Navy space fleet. That real you know, yeah,

59:23 yeah, the non terrestrial officers and and that whole thing. Yeah, could

59:30 that be real? Like I don't I live in a world where that is

59:37 such a possibility like that is that that would make It would make total sense

59:45 that there was this secret space program and it was run by what may be

59:52 coming back now, you know, this breakaway civilization, because that's what it

59:58 would be inevitably become, is a breakaway civilization. And could it be them

1:00:05 from the past coming back? This is the man Mike uh the Masters?

1:00:13 Uh Michael is it Michael Masters? That sounds familiar. I think the future

1:00:22 the future human hypothesis where it's us from the future coming back. Yeah,

1:00:28 So that's actually I think that originated with doctor Jack start Foddy because I had

1:00:32 the great I have I think not to cut you off, I am very

1:00:38 sorry for that, but I believe in February I'm going to be flying out

1:00:45 and doing an interview with him. Obviously, Jack is very eccentric, so

1:00:52 you know, maybe you can helpue with that. Oh I want to do

1:00:57 with you. I love him, He's wonderful. If you if you want,

1:01:00 if you want, I'll fly you with me there. Okay, I

1:01:05 would love Where are you going? Are you going to London? No?

1:01:07 No, No, San Francisco. Oh, to San Francisco. So he's

1:01:10 back. So we timed it because I can't. I don't know. I

1:01:19 don't have the time to fly to London. But yeah, it's pretty welf.

1:01:23 Yeah, we timed it so that he'd be back in San Francisco.

1:01:27 I can fly to San Francisco. But we'll talk about the you know,

1:01:30 let's talk about that. Let's talk about that, okay. Yeah. So

1:01:34 I had the great privilege as a young UFO researcher to have access to doctor

1:01:39 Sarafaddi ten fifteen years ago, and I remember he told me before he went

1:01:46 public with this. He specifically told me he said, you know, Teresa,

1:01:52 this is us from the future. They're time travelers, and at the

1:01:55 time, I you know, I was young and I was a young mom,

1:01:59 so I was doing this full time. But you know, I'm wrestled

1:02:04 with that for years now. And that's probably one of the best hypotheses that

1:02:09 I have come up with yet because it does not matter or that I have

1:02:15 encountered yet, because it doesn't matter. When time travel is invented, it

1:02:21 will have always existed. I mean. And then it's even possible that every

1:02:27 you know, all of these gods in the past, and you know the

1:02:30 religions that could be us who went back, you know, I mean,

1:02:35 it's so. And then there's a great book it's called Time Loops. This

1:02:37 is another great book that I highly recommend. Yeah, are you familiar with

1:02:43 it? I am familiar with it. Yes, it's a fantastic book.

1:02:46 So then it gets so once you start talking about time travel, you know,

1:02:51 it really gets into well what happened first? And you know what what

1:02:57 in fluid? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, So you know, so if

1:03:02 we go back in time to try to influence things to make it differently,

1:03:07 and that's all recorded in the book, is like Ezekiel's wheel and all of

1:03:10 that, and it is this could account for the Mendela effect. This could

1:03:17 account for deja vous. It could account for many things, and it really

1:03:30 could. So, so if you there's a circle that you can draw around

1:03:36 the classic gray alien. Now hear me out on this, and we'll be

1:03:39 wrapping up momentarily, and and again, uh at this point you're always welcome

1:03:46 back on the show. This has been very engaged, very engaging conversation.

1:03:51 So so you look at the first descriptions of an alien, right now,

1:04:00 those get reported to Project Blue Book, right So Project Blue Book then ends

1:04:10 and doctor Heinik consults on Close Encounters. Close Encounters with Steven Spielberg depicts the

1:04:18 classic gray alien. Now Whitley Strieber also does with communion and on the cover

1:04:24 of the book. But then we get this big boom of the classic gray

1:04:30 alien archetype. So does art imitate life or did life imitate art? Because

1:04:39 these you can be all traced back to original experiencer testimony and it's even older

1:04:46 than that if you look at you know, I think it's specifically the Hopies.

1:04:51 You know, they they have ye the sky the ant people, well

1:04:57 they actually have the ant people, and I think I'm sorry, sorry,

1:05:00 the ant people, yes, sorry, And the ant people are almost the

1:05:03 exact description of a great alien entity creature. And at the end of every

1:05:13 world, and I think there have been three or four, and we're about

1:05:15 to go into another. At the end of every world, well I know,

1:05:21 I mean, but we're doing all we can to try to well,

1:05:28 let me finish this. So at the end of every world, the ant

1:05:31 people save the Hope people, and they take them underground until things stabilize again,

1:05:38 and then they bring them back out and they tell them to go out

1:05:40 into all the directions of the world and repopulate again, you know. And

1:05:44 so it's even older than that, and you can't write it off. You

1:05:47 can see it in cave paintings all over the world, you know. And

1:05:53 I think there are probably a lot of different entities. You know, You've

1:05:56 got cat people who are documented in the Bible, the lionmen of Moab who

1:06:00 were known as the Ariels, and ariels were the angels of God. Certainly

1:06:05 you see cat or lion people in angel each yeah, look up the look

1:06:14 up the lion men of Moab. They were God's angel warriors and they were

1:06:17 known as the Ariels. And then what's interesting about that is the aerial school

1:06:23 phenomenon and when I pointed out to Randy, I said, you do realize

1:06:27 what an Arieal is and the school is the aerial school and he said,

1:06:30 well no, and I said an Ariel. The Ariels were the the the

1:06:36 lion face men of Moab, the the the angels of God. You know,

1:06:44 So you know, was that an accident that it happened that's at that

1:06:47 school. But I do want to say a final note because I feel you,

1:06:51 especially because I got I got so many of these downloads about this time

1:06:57 that we are in now and about the time to come. And I got

1:07:00 these downloads a good ten years ago and fifteen years ago, and I've been

1:07:03 living with this knowing that this was going to come. I don't have a

1:07:06 red phone to DD or the White House to say, you know, oh

1:07:10 my gosh, you know, watch out, the world's about ready to go

1:07:13 to hell. It's been very upsetting and a lot of experiencers have had that

1:07:16 catastrophic imagery and I want them to know they're not alone, and yeah,

1:07:23 here we are. It is happening. And I think the best thing that

1:07:27 we can do is come together, uh, because just carrying that is very

1:07:32 scary. You know, we have each other and I think it's more important

1:07:36 now than ever than to come together to support each other. And you know,

1:07:43 the more people that we can help to open their eyes to this new

1:07:48 worldview because it's coming. That it's here, it's here, and you know,

1:07:53 a lot of people had a hard time with this because we've been very

1:07:56 isolated. But a lot of people and I know everybody is tired of hearing

1:08:00 about ontological shock, but it's very real. I experienced it myself. I

1:08:03 was not prepared with my scientific background to arrive at scripture for the answers I

1:08:10 was looking for. It was uncomfortable for me, it was shocking. So

1:08:15 I think the best thing we can do is come together and be supportive of

1:08:17 each other and do what we're doing, you know, and hold our government's

1:08:21 feet to the fire and tell them we don't want any more freaking wars.

1:08:25 We want to know you know, we we we know you have things that

1:08:29 would benefit the world. You know you have. We're not happy with the

1:08:33 way things are going. And this is a democracy, damn it miss and

1:08:39 and and it starts it really really needs to start acting like one because we

1:08:45 are asleep at the wheel. We are about to be overtaken by uh,

1:08:50 China and GDP they are buying assets with their Belt and Road initiative, and

1:09:00 we are just it's asleep at the wheel right now, and it's it's it's

1:09:05 very very alarming at the things that are going on around us. And I

1:09:13 just I don't know. It gives me like really like like a terrible anxiety

1:09:17 thinking about the current state of affairs, and like, you know, I

1:09:21 know Joe Rogan's been talking about this lately, but for like six months,

1:09:27 longer than him, I've been talking about it and saying that, like I

1:09:30 can't go to bed at nights sometimes because like, yeah, I might be

1:09:35 safe here in Boston, Massachusetts, but the thirty year old guy in in

1:09:45 Ukraine or in Gaza, or or in Israel or anywhere, that's this nonsensical

1:09:55 fighting, Yeah, yeah, nonsensical land over land and man made borders.

1:10:04 Like it's so ridiculous and it's got to stop. It's gotta stop. We

1:10:12 got to raise our awareness and our in our consciousness and our vibration as a

1:10:16 society, and we need to get over this phase of warring apes with their

1:10:23 nuclear weapons because we could really do some damage and and and we could really

1:10:30 we could do the ultimate damage at this point, and there's no turning back

1:10:36 world unquestionable. We have mad mutually assured destruction. If we go to nuclear

1:10:44 war, that's going to be it for the world. I mean, it

1:10:46 really is. So we cannot have this religious tribal warfare. We just can't.

1:10:53 And I think one of the best ways to get over that is to

1:10:56 say, you know, I understand your perspective, you know of what you're

1:11:00 saying, you know, but you know, or and you know, I

1:11:08 think that you've been influenced by an extraterrestrial presence, and maybe let's let's let's

1:11:14 take an updated view of all of the books. You know. I think

1:11:18 that's what really needs to happen, because these religious tribal warfares have to stop

1:11:23 because we are all going to it suffer greatly. And I think that this

1:11:31 is a good first step. People have been dying over religion since forever,

1:11:36 since the Yeah, you know, and I'm not saying do away with religion,

1:11:43 but I'm just saying, you know, if we can. And it's

1:11:45 interesting, I've had a lot of Twitter spaces with atheists and theists, and

1:11:50 I always wonder who's going to have the easiest time with disclosure that you know,

1:11:57 these religious uh x were encounter with the others that were recorded as God's

1:12:04 stories, and it's been interesting, you know, both have been pretty I've

1:12:13 seen a lot of shock. You know, people are just like, oh

1:12:15 my gosh, you know, but that you know, there's the stages of

1:12:18 grief, and I think we have to be mindful that most people who get

1:12:23 exposed to this are going to be in some stage of acceptance or grief,

1:12:28 and I think it's very important not to ridicule those people and to be as

1:12:30 supportive as possible. And I mean, you and I had a horrible knee

1:12:34 jerk reaction. You're you know, you're you're you're sy opping me and I

1:12:40 can't, I can't do this and you know whole you know, but I

1:12:44 came out of that and realized, yeah, that's that's you know, what's

1:12:48 been happening. And I think it's very real. It's reality, and I

1:12:54 experienced it. It was horrible, and it's hard to go to your therapist

1:12:59 and say, well, a lot of suffering onto logical shock because I just

1:13:01 found out the gods of the Bible are really aliens because then she you know,

1:13:05 so there's not a good support. So I just want to encourage.

1:13:11 I mean, I'm sure you can't understand anybody can identify with that, right,

1:13:14 Like, you're not going to go to your therapist and say that either

1:13:16 is there. Then they're like, all right, so we're going to up

1:13:20 the dose of xanax on you. You're going on psychotics and here's an SSR.

1:13:28 I yeah, of course, yeah, you're going to come out in

1:13:31 there with a bunch of prescriptions you don't need. What you need is What

1:13:34 you need is social support. And again, I put this out in every

1:13:39 interview that I do, and I get people who reach out to me.

1:13:42 Literally, I get people who reach out to me every day for the past

1:13:45 fifteen years. And I'm always willing to dedicate my time. I'm not a

1:13:50 licensed mental health professional, but I do have that experience and I've talked to

1:13:57 a lot of experiencers. I'm pretty educated in this. I volunteer my time

1:14:02 to talk to people who have questions or anywhere along the path are struggling.

1:14:09 Please, if you're struggling, reach out to somebody. And I just want

1:14:13 to say anybody can always reach out to me, that's amazing. I'm going

1:14:19 to put a link in the description. Hello for your your how what's the

1:14:28 best way that they can call BacT to you? So my Twitter handle is?

1:14:38 What is my Twitter handle? It was it's at Serpents now at Tyndall

1:14:46 Review. Yeah okay, and that's t I N d A L Review.

1:14:53 My website got hacked, so I just gave up on that or they I

1:14:57 can be emailed at Twindle Old Tea as in Tom I in d A L

1:15:04 Review at gmail dot com and I can be reached there. Beautiful and and

1:15:12 and amazing. You you, thank you so much for coming on the show

1:15:15 today. Yeah, I had I I had a last minute cancelation, and

1:15:23 you know, I'm I think I'm pretty booked through uh January, I think,

1:15:30 And yeah, well, I mean it is it is what it is.

1:15:34 It's just you know, about doing your due diligence. And and I

1:15:41 have a lot of friends that like Philip Mantle who are always sending me,

1:15:45 uh contacts, and you know, you know now you're a friend and and

1:15:49 and uh we do need to so stick around after the music plays and we'll

1:15:56 chat for a second before we have to go. But uh, thank you,

1:16:00 like I said, thank you so much for coming on the show today,

1:16:03 and you know, we hope to have many conversations with you in the

1:16:06 future. You're very well versed in this and I would love to go further

1:16:12 into the religious uh theology and you know how it connects to UFOs and you

1:16:19 know what David Grush is saying right now. Actually really quick with with David

1:16:27 Grush, one last final question before we leave the part about the treaty.

1:16:34 What do you think about that? I don't know, you know, it's

1:16:40 it's really speculating. It's hard to say with you can only speculate, you

1:16:46 know, and give your best educated guests. Yeah, is that? Is

1:16:50 it plausible? Sure? You know what evidence? Do we have it of

1:16:55 it? Well? We have what he said. You know how important is

1:17:01 that point? I'm not so sure that that's really as important as I look

1:17:09 at it this way. After I was on the hill, I was in

1:17:12 DC for twenty years, and I was one of the first registered bodies I

1:17:15 was on the hill with, you know, and I'd go to dinner with

1:17:17 everybody at Congress and their aids. Everybody had a UFO story, Okay,

1:17:24 I mean one woman actually broke down in tears telling me about her UFO story.

1:17:28 But then I realized, I don't think the answers are coming from government,

1:17:33 and I think that's true for most things, and I think that's true

1:17:36 especially for this. So I think if people really want to learn about this,

1:17:43 I found what works best for me is to look pre industrial revolution because

1:17:49 experiences and encounters pre industrial revolution, you're just ruling out DoD. You're ruling

1:17:56 out DoD interests, You're ruling out military interests. Inform, you're ruling out

1:18:01 a lot of that propaganda. Yes, because right now, you know every

1:18:09 right now, it's almost with the technology that we have and with the interests

1:18:15 and interrelated and intercompeting interests that we have, it is impossible to say what

1:18:23 is what? And yeah, I mean all day and if you're just spinning

1:18:27 your wheels if you do that. So I found for me what works best

1:18:30 is to look pre industrial revolution, which most of that you're going to find

1:18:34 in religious texts and and make up your own mind from there. Don't look

1:18:41 to government to give you permission to believe in something. Yeah, especially especially

1:18:47 if you know and you've had your own experience that that has changed. You.

1:18:54 Don't look for government validation because if you're if that's what you're looking for,

1:19:00 you might not get it in your lifetime, and you're better off.

1:19:03 Like even with all the advancement we're making, there's no there's no guarantee still,

1:19:10 so you know, there's better things that you can do with your time

1:19:14 and higher achievements that you can do within yourself that that that will, they'll

1:19:23 do much more for you than the President coming out and saying we're not alone.

1:19:28 So Theresa's going to happen, right, maybe. I mean I'd be

1:19:34 shocked if it does, and I'd like to be wrong on that, you

1:19:38 know. So I just encourage to make your own research and you know,

1:19:42 look at texts previous and you know, follow what's happening in Congress. But

1:19:46 don't hang your heart on it. Yeah, and I think that's a very

1:19:51 very good way to end it. Don't hang your heart on it. Teresa.

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