#96 Will Niles: Listener Experience 3- "I was Frozen, Shocked, Looking right in the Eyes of An Alien"

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4:01 told you earlier, we're gonna we're gonna step away today from what's going on

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4:10 take a story that you've never heard before, that you've never experienced, that

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4:23 So we're joined today by William William Niles and uh, he has a

4:27 story that he wants to share with the world, and we're gonna give him

4:30 the platform to hopefully start that journey and you know we have friends like Tim

4:34 Bershett in Congress Representative Luna, and you know we're gonna try to help him.

4:41 He's already been involved with the I Believe the Disclosure Project two point zero,

4:46 but wasn't one of the ones that was front facing that day. So

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5:21 see, and many more projects that I have in the works. Let's introduce

5:26 him today. He's out on a limb, mister William Niles. How's it

5:30 going. How's it going, my friend? And not to put the you

5:33 know, spotlight on you too much, but introduce us to who you are

5:40 first off, and why why why do you want to come tell this story

5:44 today? Well, my name is William Joseph Niles. I'm from a large

5:48 military family, and after September eleventh, I enlisted in the military. When

5:57 in recruiting office on September twelfth, I was supposed to go in on the

6:01 eleventh. The morning of the eleventh and I was on the phone with my

6:04 recruiter as the second plane hit the second tower. No way, I told

6:10 him as soon as it happened, because they weren't watching in the recruiting office

6:17 at that moment, and he said, I'll call you back in a little

6:24 bit later. He called me back and he said, can you come in

6:26 tomorrow? Where as you can tell, things just got a lot crazier.

6:30 And I said, sure thing. So first thing in the morning, at

6:32 eight o'clock, showed up to the recruiting office and that started my journey.

6:39 Twenty two years later. My twenty second anniversary of me shipping was a few

6:45 days ago. My son's birthday was two days afterwards. Well, here on

6:51 total disclosure, we've interviewed so many military personnel, and I say it to

6:56 everybody, I do want to thank you for your service to this country,

7:00 to its core values, and to our freedom right because that that you know,

7:08 whether I agree with military policy, what we're doing with said military Just

7:14 the fact that we can speak about that openly is is you know a lot

7:18 of places don't have that that luxury and we and we tend to forget that.

7:24 So thank you, But but but so what why did you want to

7:29 come here and tell the story today? Because we we obviously talk about UFOs

7:32 on this channel, on this podcast, Uh, we talk about the larger

7:36 questions in life, right, we talk about are we alone? What happens

7:41 after we die? These these looming questions that we all have as human beings.

7:48 And why did you want to come here and tell tell your story that

7:53 intertwines with all of those topics. Well, the night that Major David did

7:59 his show with Rosco Thought, I was on your podcast with you immediately afterwards,

8:05 and I told you my story. That was the first time anybody had

8:07 heard it. And the first thing that happened was somebody messaged me and he

8:11 said, people are watching. Just so you know, people in the government

8:16 are watching. Yes they are. I haven't heard anything about it since,

8:22 but all I just I just never shut up about it. Just anytime I'm

8:28 in a space on Twitter, which is the only place I really got it

8:33 right, and I think you've told it bit by bit, maybe not,

8:37 maybe not in a sequential form. So what we're going to be aiming to

8:41 do here today is to do that, to lay it out in a fundamental,

8:48 structured, and start to finish kind of way. So let's speak in

8:52 with your childhood before you joined the Marine Corps, did you have a fascination

8:58 for the cosmos? Well, I grew up watching Star Trek. My grandfather

9:05 was a Star Trek fan. I was raised by my grandparents, and my

9:11 grandfather had always he held up Star Trek as a perfect example of the way

9:18 society should run. And a lot of that stemmed from his brother, who

9:24 I share a name with. Middle name is different, but I share the

9:28 same name as him. And he said, your uncle Will he was in

9:33 World War two, Korean Vietnam, and he did some crazy stuff and he

9:37 told me some stuff and I didn't really think about it, didn't really dwell

9:43 on it at all. And growing up in the nineties, the was our

9:48 report had come out with all that everybody saw the Giant breaks TV special Alien

9:54 Autopsy, but other than that, you really never heard anything. And then

9:58 the Phoenix Light, this thing happened. That was the only thing that was

10:01 huge. Yeah, that was huge. And I was talking with my dad

10:05 about stuff, and he even though he said, there's a lot of strange

10:09 stuff that nobody wants to talk about because you're going to sound like you're crazy,

10:16 and he goes, I'm not going to admit to seeing anything, but

10:20 I've seen some stuff that I can't explain. And if you end up in

10:24 the military, you'll probably you may or may not see the same thing.

10:28 But I ended up seeing something right out the gate before I even got to

10:35 put got to swear in that picture that I sent you was a few was

10:39 actually about a half hour forty five minutes after I had been in that ski,

10:46 in that skiff, and I'd seen what I had seen. Hmm.

10:48 So before we get to the skiff, before we get to that. So

10:54 you joined the military, right, You have this upbringing where let's just say,

10:58 the idea of UFO's being real was something in your household that may have

11:05 been looming, right, something you guys all just like knew nobody anything about

11:13 it, but everyone was like, they're real. Right, Like, I

11:18 hang on to your faith as long as you can, because it'll get rocked

11:22 and I grew up in eighty pastor's house. My grandfather had been a minister.

11:26 He was a missionary. That's how he ended up on the Anaduga Indian

11:30 reservation. When my dad was a kid. He used to travel around like

11:33 the Partridge family, performing at churches when my dad and his brother and sister

11:39 were growing up. Oh, that's really here in Nedro, And I ended

11:46 up coming back here years later, right down the road from where I grew

11:50 up. The house is no longer there, burned down in twenty sixteen,

11:54 but our family moved out in early two thousand and one. So it was

12:01 it was a piece of history houses in the valley here. You could see

12:09 it from the old construction photos from the church up the road when that was

12:13 being built, and Nedro was just one long valley with scattered farmhouses. So

12:22 with Apron growing up in a house within a household of a pastor, what

12:31 what was your relationship with religion? It was intimate, Like I lived in

12:37 a church basically from when I was five till when I was ten. The

12:41 church that was up the road. My grandfather had been an elder there and

12:48 he was restoring the place. And I think they spent a good seven years

12:54 restoring that church in the early nineties. So it was a lot of my

12:58 childhood. And I got to read almost every book in that pastor's office if

13:05 it was in English, right right, You will recall learning some either Arabic

13:13 or some some Jewish language or whatever, some Hebrew. Yeah, I can't

13:20 remember, it's been so long. That's so I find that interesting because it's

13:26 often it's often our our our journeys, right, they're they're set for us,

13:35 not in not in a way that we don't have free will, or

13:37 at least in my opinion, but in a way that yet you had to

13:43 experience everything that you've experienced to be the person that you are right now,

13:48 right right. If if life is but a set of attempts at living,

13:54 being alive, right, then then it's the building blocks are memories, lessons

14:03 learned, and teachings passed on. So you come from that religious home,

14:07 you go into the military, and this is where you learn a lot of

14:13 stuff about a lot of stuff. So let's start getting into that. And

14:20 then, because that leads us back into your childhood, you said, so

14:26 lead me however you want down this path. Tell me your story bring me

14:31 back to the day that it all started, all right, going back to

14:41 when I was little, when I was roughly three, I vaguely recall being

14:48 in a vehicle going down to Tundle, seeing these lights flash over my head

14:54 as we were heading down, and I might have been in and out of

14:58 consciousiness, sleeping, napping or whatever. And I'm sitting down on a bench.

15:05 I've got it's probably eighty four eighty five, so I think I have

15:13 a he Man figure in my hand. I think maybe a he Man and

15:16 a battlecat, because that's what was around back With that, this person came

15:24 over to me. He knelt down and started talking with me, and I

15:31 noticed immediately that his head wasn't shaped right. He looked kind of off,

15:35 like an upside down pyramid. Light not sharp edges, but a really weird

15:41 shaped head, like a silvery bluish skin. Talk kind of soft. And

15:50 one of the things I had said was your face looks like a triangle looking

15:56 straight at it, and it was like light blue, bluish silvery skin with

16:03 like reddish hair, not a like a super protruding nose, I guess,

16:10 like like an average but really sharp features here kind of angular, I guess

16:18 he made a point to notice the point out that I noticed that his face

16:23 was a triangle. He's like, oh, you know your shapes. Because

16:26 I'm a little kid, I kind of got excited that this weird person is

16:30 talking to me, and I asked him, I go, are you a

16:36 master of the universe? Because that's the language that I know? Be on

16:41 the head and stands up and he walks away, and the whole conversation,

16:45 I guess lasted two or three minutes. But he resembles the picture that doctor

16:55 Griers showed Logan Paul on his podcast a couple of years ago. And when

17:00 I saw that, I dropped my phone and I screamed, like a little

17:03 girl, like, you have got to be kidding me. I have not

17:07 seen that individual since I was three, and he looks exactly like what I

17:12 remember. It's a a not exactly a clear picture, but you can definitely

17:18 see triangular features, pyramid shapes. The colors seem to match right, The

17:26 billowy clothing seemed out right, seemed to match right. I believe he was

17:30 wearing boots at the time. I can't recall the color, but he looked

17:34 exactly like he appeared in that picture. Roughly. I'm trying to find it.

17:41 Right now, I think I got it. I want to show everybody.

17:45 Anybody's listening, unfortunately will not be able to see it. But this

17:52 is the picture that I believe you're talking about. This has been enhanced,

17:56 it looks like, but yeah, it's this. Something's been done to this

18:03 picture. This isn't the yeah, exact, the color enhanced it. And

18:11 the weird way the lights are around those two pictures is like some kind of

18:18 like distortion or something like that. Yeah, I'm gonna I'll try to find

18:22 it where all the trees and this stuff are the tops and it's it was

18:27 out of Joshua tree apparently. Yeah, during a CE five event. It's

18:32 like, how do I don't know why there's not more images of it on

18:37 the only one that had popped up that he had showed. I guess.

18:41 Yeah, but I do know the picture you're talking about, and I think

18:44 most people listening, if they are into this subject, they'll know exactly what

18:48 you're talking about as well. Oh shit, maybe I think I just found

18:52 it. I think I think is this the one? No, that is

19:12 the other one? All right, okay, so yeah, I don't I

19:17 don't know, right one up for the first time. Send it to me,

19:22 Send it to me after we do this and after we finish, I'll

19:27 put it in. Okay, Yeah, you had the picture up the first

19:30 time, all right, beautiful. So so you dropped, you dropped your

19:37 coffee. It was like, because you know, I've heard that so many

19:38 times, like when people like back in the day, like when I talk

19:44 to older experiencers, they tend to say, like the first time they saw

19:49 Communion written by Whitley Streeber, it had the Remember it had the classic gray

19:56 alien on the cover. When people saw that, they like a lot of

20:00 people say they dropped their cup, they dropped their coffee. They their jaw

20:06 dropped right like. It's like because it's like confirmation. It's like, oh

20:10 my god, there it is. Yeah. It made me wonder who showed

20:14 up behind me in that skiff that day because I wanted to turn I had.

20:18 I thought I had thought every muscle in my body did not turn around,

20:23 because if I had, everything would have changed. Yeah, we haven't.

20:27 We haven't got we haven't got there yet. So we haven't got there

20:33 yet. I want because that because that plays that that for me, I

20:36 want to really dive into that's that the the the skiff. But okay,

20:42 well, I didn't even remember where we were in the grand scheme of things.

20:48 So you saw, oh, that's right, that you saw doctor Greer's

20:55 I forget which the logan po th I saw James fox on Rogan. Okay,

21:03 there was this year good all right. So so like everything before April,

21:08 I didn't even see it. I saw Bob Blazar that everybody knows his

21:15 story like that's it was that cemented in history. I remembered it in the

21:21 there's one point in my story where I confirm what Bob Blazar had said and

21:26 seen because I saw the exact same thing, right, right, And that's

21:32 why I find your your story fascinating, and that's why I wanted to be

21:36 to be told sequentially. So you see, if you you entered the military,

21:41 right, you're this young kid, you're this young twenty two year old

21:45 the nineteen country. Yeah, okay, you're nineteen years okay, Oh it

21:51 was twenty two years nineteen and two thousand and yeah, two thousand and one.

21:56 So the country's about to be at war, yep, and I just

22:04 I'm about to have a kid, and you're about to have a kid.

22:07 You listen and in the army, mm hmm, what happens after that?

22:15 So so you you know, you take your as viabs, what you go

22:19 to basic training? You could skip over those parts, but after basic training?

22:26 What happens after basic training? I went home because I got hurt.

22:30 I saw the skiff. I saw the alien and the skiff on my way

22:33 in Okay, So start there. Then I'm sorry I had back. I'm

22:37 at Maps my shipping day. My wife's water broke the night before, right

22:44 after I left for the hotel to go to Maps. So comes by my

22:48 house to pick me up. Not an hour later, her water breaks and

22:55 I don't find out for a couple hours. So I'm at the hotel.

22:57 She's trying to call to get a hold of me. She tells me I

23:02 can't leave the hotel. I'm locked down there for security reasons. Yes,

23:07 So me and the other two guys we order some pizza. We kind of

23:11 celebrate the fact I just got married a few days earlier, and we do

23:18 sort of do our thing. And the next morning we show up to the

23:21 federal building. My recruiter. We had to hop in a van, go

23:26 down, go through the elevator, go up the maps, do the same

23:32 thing we did the first time, but this time I had to go and

23:37 sit and wait to go get the security clean. So I had to wait

23:41 all day for everybody else to finish their stuff. And then somebody said,

23:45 someone's gonna come out get you and escort you in. Follow their orders,

23:52 do exactly what they say, and then we'll be back to meet you when

23:56 you're all done, okay. So I sit and they wait, and somebody

24:00 comes out to get me. I recognize him. He was one of the

24:03 guys that was there approxiing the ASVAB and then he was there to escort me

24:07 in and now and he said, now you're gonna see classified material. Keep

24:11 drives forward, walk straight behind me, and just don't pay attention to anything

24:18 else. Just follow me to where we're going. So he marches me around.

24:22 We're going pretty fast. He's trying to get my heart rate up to

24:25 get ian for the polygraph, and we're on the final scratch, heading down

24:32 the last halt to get to the interview room. And on the right hand

24:37 side, somebody catches my eyes through an open door and I stop, I

24:42 stepped back, I turned right, I faced the door, and not six

24:49 feet in front of me is a non human visitor. Light gray dolphins get

24:56 colored skin, small black eyes initially, and then they got bit like really

25:04 big like Spider Man eyes, and so upon. It is this happening.

25:11 As you make eye contact, the eye gets bigger. Yep, the eyes

25:17 get bigger. And he's walking towards me. His mouth sort of opens and

25:21 I could see his jagged little teeth, no ear lobes, no hair,

25:26 He's got two little nostrils, a little mouth, but he had open enough

25:30 to where I could see. He looked to me in as much much shocked

25:33 as I was, because he probably wasn't expecting to see me. And there

25:38 were two young kids about fourteen or fifteen years old right next to the door

25:45 of this young Asian kid and a pale white Ginger kid who just the look

25:52 on his face was like, what did I just sign up for? Because

25:55 the look on his look, the look on his face when he saw me,

25:57 he was like, oh gosh, here we go, here's an another

26:00 one that's coming in. The look on his face was like he wasn't expecting

26:03 that to happen that day, the same with me. So I think most

26:10 people are going to be asking why how is it that so you haven't been

26:22 sworn in or gone to basic yet, how is it that you're you're being

26:26 So are they bringing it into a special access program? From the jump?

26:33 It was for security clinic screening. That's what I was told. That's what

26:37 you're told. Yeah, okay, they didn't tell me this when I picked

26:41 my job. Okay, there there was. They said there there's some secret

26:48 stuff I couldn't talk about with that, But what I experienced with them had

26:53 nothing to do with that at all. So you're just passing down a hallway

26:57 and there's this thing. Yeah, there's a reason why they said, don't

27:02 don't turn your head, just look straight. Okay, you point out why

27:06 was that door open? Because if they knew that I was going to be

27:08 coming through there, why even risk that there was no window on that door.

27:11 If that door was shut, I would have never known about it.

27:14 Right, So do you think now I want to stop here because I think

27:19 do you think that the let let's let's say for and I'm not saying that

27:25 you're telling the truth that you're again, I'm not I'm not going one way

27:29 or the other. Let's say for all intensive purposes that yes, absolutely happened.

27:34 Do you think that that could be linked to crash retrieval programs? And

27:40 maybe like engineering, they could have program right, there were young they looked

27:48 like young am my t kids, like like a couple of young little Sheldons,

27:52 right, right, and that so many smart kids like that when I

27:57 was a kid, right, Just memories were like skill traps. I guys

28:03 that can memorize the entire Bible, right, you could just verse page whatever.

28:08 They can tell you every printing version by memory. Right. And there's

28:15 we know that the CIA and and other three letter agencies have recruited groomed if

28:23 you will, you know, people to be operatives and to be in intelligence.

28:30 And this starts from uh, sometimes a very young age. So I

28:37 don't find those elements to be to to be out there. It's just that

28:42 this thing in the room while you're going down the hallway. Yeah that So

28:49 of course when you say that, people are gonna be like wait, why

28:55 right, So I just want them to know what kind of environment you're in.

28:59 So you were headed to Getty security clearance yep, all right, so

29:03 continue. So the one that was at the front of the room, I

29:10 paid the most attention to the two young kids. I paid attention to what

29:14 they looked like. I can draw them again. That's the only way that

29:18 I can properly show anybody what they looked like. I didn't notice a couple

29:25 other non humans in that room, at least three or four. Didn't get

29:30 a good look at any of them. But I did notice that there were

29:36 gray oval heads, at least three or four more in the room. They

29:41 were all off to the right, and there was one on the far side

29:45 of the room, probably fifteen feet away. I guess interesting, okay,

29:53 And for did I mean the person that was walking you? Yeah? Did

30:00 did did he turn around and say, you know, hey, yeah,

30:03 you know, let's go. Yeah. He actually tapped me on my shoulder.

30:08 Because I was locked into what I was looking at, I tapped me

30:12 on my shoulder, and I'm just like, he goes, I told you

30:15 not to look. I said, I don't know what happened. I just

30:18 stopped, and he had the look on his face. He looked so nervous,

30:25 like he was gonna get hurt or something, right, but he just

30:29 he kept walking me down. They sat me down, and the first thing

30:33 they did as soon as they plugged me in. They were like, oh

30:36 wow, your heart rate is going crazy. So I do this and I

30:40 go, I look up, right up the guy that's right in front of

30:42 me, this tall, tall, white guy, about six or four.

30:45 He looked like a linebacker. He looked like je Novochak, blond haired,

30:52 blue eyed, just big brooding man. Yeah, and button up with a

31:00 tie and short. Was he the one? Was he administering the polygraphs or

31:07 was he? Guy? Yeah? Okay, he h. I'm talking with

31:15 him, and I go, I know, I didn't just see what I

31:17 just saw down the hall, but I know what I just saw down the

31:19 hall. And you're not going to explain it away. Swamp gass bouncing off

31:23 of Venus, all right, and they all chuckle. They thought that was

31:26 hilarious. And I said, I'd love I'm volunteering right now to work with

31:33 him. And they said, penning the outcome of my security clearance screening,

31:38 I would love to be part of this program. And I'm looking up at

31:42 this guy. He looks at somebody behind me, and I go to turn

31:47 and look because I can feel them, and they go no, no,

31:49 no, no no, like a bunch of them all just kind of got

31:53 close to me, They're like, you can't see who's behind you. That

31:56 would be very bad right now. And I go, how bad? You

32:01 go? Very bad? JFK bad? And they looked at me. They

32:06 go, take a wild guess who killed JFK? And I said George Bush

32:12 Sr. And they all go the reaction. Two of them went running from

32:21 and then came back in. They were just hands covering their faces, holding

32:25 back their laughter. Laughter. They thought that was the most hysterical thing they

32:30 had heard at that point. Okay, the guy that had escorted me,

32:35 there's a striking resemblance to that guy from the office, you know, the

32:39 guy that Stephen Roote plays. They took my stapler. They made a joke,

32:45 oh yes, out as he was leaving the room, they sent him

32:50 to go deal with something. I'm assuming my buddies that were down the hall

32:53 that I saw and somebody had did that. They took state where line about

33:04 it. And if anybody hears this story, if they're in that room that

33:10 day, they're gonna know this story. They're not gonna forget it. So

33:16 if anybody has any wants to know for sure, they gotta get their reaction

33:23 from anybody who is in that room that day, and they're not far away.

33:29 I live right down the road from that federal building. If any of

33:32 them are still in that building, they're more than likely gonna see this episode

33:37 and they'll know that story interesting because you know so so okay, So you

33:50 juke around with the polygrapher, I assume you. I assume you eventually get

33:55 polygraphed. Yep, yep, mam. They hooked me up the moment I

34:00 got in that room. They're monitoring thing. I don't know if you're aware

34:04 of this, but the thing that they said you want can measure whether or

34:07 not you're you're rearing puckers or not. That's not a myth that actually they

34:15 said, don't move once you're sitting in that thing because it'll throw all of

34:19 the monitors off a full diagnosis. Yeah, do you ever think that?

34:27 So I wrote this down, do you ever, because this has been asked

34:30 if Bob Bazaar, do you do you? Do you ever think that what

34:32 you saw was part of a mental test? No? The mental test as

34:40 bad. Well, you know I'm saying. You understand what I mean though,

34:47 like a test to see what you would do right, And I don't

34:52 think I disappointed because the other thing I said was when they asked me whether

34:59 or not I would turn against our government, and I said, I will

35:02 die defending my country. I was born here, I was born on an

35:06 army base in fact, and any enemy on this on this planet is an

35:14 enemy to me. All right. If they're hurting us, if they're hurting

35:19 our people, then okay, they're they're the enemy. However, based on

35:23 what I saw, if I told them this to their faces, I said,

35:28 based on what I just saw it down the hall, if their buddies

35:30 show up and they're mad because you're hurting them or anything, I'm on their

35:36 side, not yours. Interesting, And I said that to their faces.

35:43 This is after I even volunteered to work with them. I said, listen,

35:47 if there's some messed upness going on with these guys and their people come

35:52 down and wondering what's up, I'm on their side. So right from the

35:57 jump, you I mean, you know, oh yeah, that they're that

36:01 they're they're not human. Uh huh yeah. Did you want to know you

36:09 dealt with the ontological shock mm hmm. At nineteen felt ready to have a

36:15 kid, but to go through this stress again and screamed at by absolute strangers

36:22 for money that barely any money. Yeah, yeah, and knowing I was

36:27 going off to war like okay, I swore, and knowing that we weren't

36:32 alone in the universe, and in fact that included the alien part. And

36:37 I think maybe one or two people around me had heard it, because I

36:40 got some books say that again, because I defend from all and from all

36:47 enemies foreign and domestic, and from outer space and from in the galaxy or

36:55 something like that. I think that it was something I had to think of,

37:00 something slick, the kind of blended. I think maybe one person to

37:05 the right of me might have heard something off and they looked at me weird,

37:10 So you you, okay, I like that. But there's a lot

37:14 of people in that room I had never seen before. And I didn't ship

37:20 with either of the guys that I had stayed at the hotel with. One

37:22 of them couldn't ship that day and the other one wasn't shipping until like two

37:28 months later or something like that, Like he wasn't shipped until January. Okay,

37:32 all right, So what happens after you pledge allegiance to this group?

37:40 Right? You? You say, I want in wherein yep, you swear

37:46 in all that what happens since you're god, Yep. Basically that's it what

38:00 this gift did the thing, and that was it sworn. Got one last

38:08 kiss from the wife before I left, and that was gone on it for

38:15 several hours. Popped a couple of airports and I was at Fort Hill one

38:20 o'clock in the morning getting screened. A. Yeah, okay, so then

38:24 you go through basic training and you get it, you get hurt. Yeah,

38:30 a couple months in. I got hurt just after I came back for

38:36 Christmas because we got to come home and got back in in January, and

38:43 uh, I believe the middle of January, I dislocated my shoulder. I

38:50 slipped. Somebody was behind me, he took me down with him. I

38:55 fell on my arm weird and it. I couldn't really do any push ups

39:02 for like two weeks. I kind of hit it because I favored my left

39:07 my right arm over my left, and then it was just I was almost

39:13 out of it. I was getting a little bit better, and then somebody

39:16 had said something to one of the drill start instance and said, you gotta

39:21 watch him do push ups his shoulders not looking all that great, and they

39:24 got me doing push ups in front of him and they were all watching me

39:28 like a hawk, and they could see my shoulder moving weird, and they

39:31 to me off to go see the docks. And they said, well,

39:35 you're gonna have to get pulled from training. We get recycled, do you

39:37 know, recover or whatever. And I was just not prepared for that.

39:45 It wasn't in the plan for me. And I called the wife. I

39:50 I was like, listen, I just I messed my shoulder up. They're

39:53 trying to recycle me. Should I come home or what? Because I got

39:58 a choice here. And she said, I don't know if I can do

40:02 this by myself. You it's okay with me if you come home, we'll

40:07 figure it out. So I went, talked to the senior, signed the

40:10 paperwork and how I went, and how could you leave? Knowing? How

40:19 could you leave? There's nothing I could do about it is I had that

40:24 knowledge, and they I they had enough time to come grab me and be

40:31 like, listen, don't go anywhere. We'll just real reokay to reclash you

40:37 like they did, like I later found out, like they did with Lance

40:40 Corporal Went who who had also become a fourteenth Sierra after he had gotten reclassed.

40:49 I what you just said sounds like gibberish to me. Yeah, would

40:52 you mind explaining was a fourteenth Sierra? Doctor leave? Doctor Stephen Greer interviewed

41:00 him and he was the guy that was talking about the alien ship in Peru.

41:06 Now I didn't hear this interview till years later. I'm talking this past

41:12 summer I sought for the first time, and I was blown away the fact

41:16 that he was a fourteen Sierra completely. I was so this silly sounding marine

41:24 with a Southern accent. He's basically the other half of my story. He's

41:29 my prequel. And the fact that that's what I could have ended up seeing.

41:36 If I had stayed and possibly dealt with guys like that downward he saw

41:43 them, I probably wouldn't have ended up coming home. Well, here's the

41:49 thing. From what it sounds like, it sounds like you were being trained

41:54 to be one of the people on the other side, the other side of

42:00 the ship in Peru, the ones guarding it in all black, no insignia.

42:06 Yeah, that sounds about right. That sounds like what you are being

42:10 groomed to do. Honestly, you know, if I, if I was

42:14 to guess why they would if there's a shadow of doubt, you know,

42:22 in my mind about what you're saying, you know, I would probably bet

42:30 that what you were being brought into was you were not going to exist right

42:38 in the in the terms of not like the men in black, you know,

42:44 but you probably would have went away off the books kind of thing and

42:51 and and been involved in and who knows what. So do you think your

42:57 moral compass had any effect in your decision? You know what I thought I

43:05 didn't think about Like I initially was like, you know what, Hell's usually

43:08 pretty spot on when she's got a bad feeling about something, So I'm just

43:15 gonna for this one time, I'm gonna follow her lead and do what she

43:20 asks. Is probably the only time in the last twenty two years that we

43:23 were together that I actually listened to what my wife said. For all the

43:30 wives out there listening, pen in mind to that he listens all the time.

43:37 But okay, all right, So now with your brief with your your

43:43 you're very so your your brief encounter in the military or in the process of

43:51 being being in the military that led you on a journey, and that is

43:57 where most of us find ourselves. So I want to talk about how this

44:04 changed you and how did that like when you actually sat down and started thinking

44:10 about all this and kind of connecting all the dots. What how was that

44:15 experience? God? It was Looking back on it, I was like,

44:22 I either avoided something really bad or I missed that out on the greatest thing

44:30 to ever happened to me. And there's no way for me to know that

44:35 coin ended up on its side and the disclosure thing that's gonna flip this coin

44:42 over, and if that coin lands the right way and fortune finally bruh,

44:51 fortune favors the bold, hopefully, hopefully me coming out will be that one

44:58 little push that makes everything come out. Yeah. I think we aim we

45:05 all, you know, we all want to to get to that that end

45:09 destination, that final you know the I don't think it's in the cards personally

45:14 that the president comes out and does that whole thing. But I do see

45:19 a future in which someone who is a really trusted elect elected official steps onto

45:27 that podium or a representative of the White House. You know something. I

45:30 don't think it would be the President himself, That's my opinion, but you

45:37 know it is what it is. That's that's just my that's somebody to come

45:43 out and say that everybody, we're not alone in the universe. It probably

45:46 would have to be somebody like Morgan Freeman or somebody with a positive speaking voice,

45:53 somebody her. What if the Pope about? You know what, I

46:01 don't even know who the Pope is anymore. What I believe it's Benedict.

46:10 I think I believe it's Pope Francis. If I might be wrong, but

46:16 and and he's he's done. He's opened the the faith up in a in

46:27 a way that no pope has ever done, where he's even talked about,

46:31 Uh, you know, if there are extraterrestrials, that they would baptize them,

46:36 and if they were willing to be baptized, of course, but that

46:39 they would invite them in as God's children like he's. The Vatican has their

46:45 own observatory. It's in California, you know, the Vatican. They're not

46:52 I don't think. And with with with what David Grush said, right that,

46:55 David Grush said the earliest known crash retrieval prom in nineteen thirty three involved

47:02 Pope got the Pope and whoever the Pope was in nineteen thirty three, but

47:10 that that was involved in the Mussolini regime crash. So I think we could

47:17 draw a lot of dots that that you know that this phenomenon has been happening,

47:23 and it has been going on for a very long time, and you

47:31 know when when that hits you, because I know it changed me fundamentally,

47:36 Like when I made all my realizations that you know, the statistically, the

47:40 statistic odds of us being alone are closer to yes than they are to know

47:50 it, it messed with me a little bit. You've seen you allegedly have

47:55 seen non human intelligence. What did that do to you? What it did?

48:06 Was it it made me aware to the fact that, yes, we're

48:13 not alone, all right. My personal belief that when you die, you

48:20 go back and relive your life over again until you get it right. I've

48:25 always felt that since God and George Knapp and Jeremy Corble had actually talked about

48:32 that on the last podcast that they did with Rogan, and I had wrote

48:37 George after that and I had said, listen, I was listening to you

48:43 on Rogan, this is exactly this is exactly how I feel about it.

48:49 And I was explaining to him my entire story, and I'm not sure where

48:53 he was on it where he said, you got busy dealing with something He

49:00 hasn't gotten back to me by a project that he was checking to see if

49:04 I could be a part of my story because I had actually, I've actually

49:08 seen fourteen individuals that I'm aware of that are non human and at least one

49:14 craft, and one individual was seen in that craft. I'm pretty sure there

49:20 was more than one because that individual was not piloting that chip. Now let's

49:23 talk about the craft. Yes, let's talk let's talk about that, all

49:29 right, the big craft. I had saw that late March early April of

49:32 two thousand and five. It looked to be about one hundred and twenty five

49:37 two hundred feet across one hundred fiftey. Pump the brakes. Yeah, bring

49:44 me back to quote James Fox, Bring me back to that time. What

49:52 are you doing? Why are you there? Are you? Do you smell

49:58 anything? When do you start seeing it? At what altitude? Okay?

50:05 Bring paint a picture for the audience, all right. I was living in

50:09 this back house next to the Best Branch library. My landlord's family lived in

50:16 the house in front and she was my buddy mats and and we hung out

50:23 all the time. And this time none of the other guys were around.

50:30 I had just come downstairs from our apartment to go out to go smoke a

50:34 cigarette. It was I noted the time was nine oh eight, and I

50:39 didn't have a watch in my hand at the time. Uh. But there's

50:44 just the time I noticed as I was going outside, and I go out,

50:50 I hear this humming sound. Where's that humming sound come from? Because

50:53 it doesn't It wasn't something I was used to hearing around there, And so

50:59 is this? Is this a low pitched electrical h like a like a low

51:06 basy hum like like an amplifier of all the usually like that, like the

51:17 the opening the Back of the Future with that gigantic uh speaker. It was

51:22 that, And I can't. I turn around and go back towards the door,

51:32 and I hear it a little bit more, but it's pitch black.

51:37 I can see there's the the floodlight on that's just outside my the front door

51:44 of the house. And I take my hat and I blocked the light and

51:47 I move a little bit and I see an outline on what would be the

51:52 left quarter panel, and I move a little bit closer sure, and my

52:01 vision kind of clears up a little bit. I can kind of ads and

52:08 I see the disk and it's just hovering right over top of the trees,

52:15 just a few feet over the top of these big pine trees. I've actually

52:17 got a picture of that spot that I can send you later so you can

52:22 put it in. And it's I'm sitting there looking at this thing. The

52:29 very bottom metal is spinning counterclockwise. The they're these individual panels. They could

52:36 tell that I can see it in them moving, and I'm kind of shifting

52:40 around looking at this thing, keeping my hat up from messing my night vision

52:46 up. And all of a sudden, I see this window light up like

52:52 orange. It's this long mirror about fifteen twenty feet long, look like this

52:59 rounded the hallway, and this individual comes walking in from my perspective from left

53:07 to the right, stops in the middle, looks down from their perspective,

53:13 scans from right to left, gets to where I'm at, does a double

53:20 take, stands up, steps back, puts their arms behind their back,

53:24 turns calmly walks the direction that they were heading, takes a turn, and

53:31 then the ship hisses. The bottom of it glowed blue a little bit,

53:37 it went up, it vanished. I went around the front of the house,

53:40 couldn't see it. As I was coming back, I saw my land

53:45 wady and she I asked her, like, did you hear see anything weird?

53:49 She goes, no, you go should I have? And I said,

53:51 nah, don't worry about it. I go around to the back of

53:52 the house. She goes inside the downstairs apartment. I go around the back.

54:00 I look up. I can't see anything. And then I looked over

54:02 to my left towards the west valley wall, and hovering just over the heavily

54:08 dense wooded area right to the south of Anna Dugga Hill, which I'll send

54:14 a picture of for you, was the disk hovering just over top of the

54:16 trees. And then once more it went up. It tilted up belly first,

54:24 and then there was a white crack sound and it vanished and left behind

54:30 the purple fire trail miles long, and I tracked it going south and then

54:35 it banked southwest. Top of it glinted silver, and I never saw it

54:38 again. Yeah, you could see it going, Yeah, after it after

54:46 it initially left my field of view, and I see it in the distance.

54:52 It was I must have gotten lucky the fact that I kept my eye

54:58 locker yeah, because most people say boom gone, yeah, but yours you

55:04 were able to see it. May I think it meant to go go forward

55:08 and then just go Bank southwest, which from here makes sense because of the

55:15 valley. We're down in the valley, so they've got to kind of probably

55:20 go through some turns. But it went south Bank southwest, the top pointed

55:24 silver. Never saw it again. A couple of years later, in July

55:34 of late July of two thousand and five, I had to go replace my

55:37 social Security card because it was my wallet when I lost it, so I

55:42 had to go get a new idea social Security card, reorder the birth certificate

55:45 so I can get all my ideas stuff together for work. And I was

55:51 coming out and I happened to see there's a security clearance guy that had escorted

55:55 me into the skiff that day, and I pulled him aside. I was

55:59 like, listen, boss, like I talked to you, I saw something

56:04 and it's related to what I saw down the hall that day. And he

56:07 goes, all right. So I talked with him, tell him exactly what

56:12 I just told you. He steps back and he goes, all right,

56:16 I'll tell the team, and I go, I know you can't tell me

56:20 what comes of this afterwards, but if you guys need to get a hold

56:23 of me, you guys can get a hold of me easily. I'm still

56:25 in town. And they go, see, you never saw him again,

56:32 at least to where I was able to talk to him. I might have

56:36 seen him through the corner of my eye having to go through that building through

56:39 the years, but I haven't been there forever, right right, So wow,

56:47 So you you said you you you could point mhm that to that building.

56:57 Yeah, that building where you saw what you saw, you could tell

57:00 Congress exactly where it was. Yes, Actually I can probably show you where

57:05 that room was because I looked out the window right before they closed the blind

57:08 and I can see exactly which room it was in. Interesting because I think

57:15 that's what they want, right is you know, and and I'd love to

57:19 get your take on you know, what you think about what David Grushes is

57:23 has ushered in and and you know the David Grush and the disclosure two point

57:30 zero, they kind of like all happened at the same time. So it

57:34 was like very overwhelming for people. But the craft that you're describing kind of

57:39 sounds like the same craft from the Peru. Yeah, it sounds that one

57:45 was actually not as big the one that uh. Yeah. And by the

57:52 way, I wanted to ask the one that went saw the one that the

57:59 career taught about in Peru? Oh, that was it wasn't it? Wasn't

58:05 it a disc? Yeah? It was a disc. I don't know what

58:08 that looked like it had it had black panels like it was paneled. Yeah,

58:17 the bottom was dark. The very middle had the dull silver panels.

58:22 And I couldn't see the top of it until I saw it in the distance

58:25 and I saw a glint on it. I couldn't be sure if that was

58:28 a light or what, but at the top of it glinted silverish. I

58:32 guess would you say that? Would you say that it was being piloted by

58:40 by Nhi or human being? It was piloted by Nhi. Uh. The

58:47 the individual that I saw that it stopped and looked down at me wasn't human.

58:52 And I think I might have made some kind of connection to it because

58:58 I heard it say we've been seeing leave. What does that mean? I

59:07 think I might have had a telepathic connection to him, the same thing with

59:14 when I was at the skiff. After the fact, I think they might

59:19 have hurt a couple of those people that were in that skiff that day,

59:22 the young kids, because I felt what I could only describe as dread and

59:30 sorrow and somebody had gotten hurt. And I was sitting up in the cafeteria

59:37 with my wife because we had some time in between getting me getting out of

59:45 the skiff and getting doing the swearing in ceremony, where I was up there

59:51 with her, and I felt weird, like I knew I had just seen

59:55 the greatest thing I'd ever seen in person at that time, and I couldn't

1:00:01 tell her directly. I was gonna ask that, listen, we're about to

1:00:07 go to war. I don't know know how long we're gonna be off doing

1:00:13 this, but afterwards, I don't know how long. Afterwards, some crazy

1:00:16 stuff's gonna go down and you'll know when you hear it, and I'll probably

1:00:22 be the one to tell you when it's going on. And sure enough,

1:00:27 once major Crush came out, I pulled it up with the Congress thing,

1:00:32 when uh, when were they in? When did they back in July.

1:00:39 Yeah, July was the hearing. I played back the meeting, the opening

1:00:46 thing, and she was listening to this old guy talking and she was just

1:00:52 she didn't quite understand it. And then once the guys started talking, she

1:00:57 was looking at me like, you were messing around on that day, were

1:01:00 you like that's gonna be some sort of vindication. She's like, my father

1:01:07 got the son in law that he wanted. Yeah, because he was really

1:01:12 the UFOs and he had asked me on my way in after I actually asked

1:01:19 him permission to marry his daughter, which is a testimony to how old school

1:01:23 I was raised. Yeah, yeah, permission, and he said two things,

1:01:30 take care of my daughter, my grandbabies, and let me know if

1:01:35 aliens are real. I made sure for Christmas the year before he died that

1:01:43 he knew for certain we weren't alone in the universe, and more than likely

1:01:49 he was going to get to go and be with them afterward after he died.

1:01:52 Is that your view? Yeah? Is that your view? Yeah?

1:01:57 That once we achieve because you say, well, oh you understand, you

1:02:06 get to move on. Yeah, that sounds about right to me, And

1:02:09 it doesn't sound unreasonable. No, not at all. I think it actually

1:02:15 makes a lot of sense, right that say, say, say the soul

1:02:21 is a tangible thing, right, and our body is more or I like

1:02:27 to say consciousness, whatever consciousness is, that's really what our spirit is.

1:02:32 So whatever consciousness really is, you know, is that is our body just

1:02:39 a receiver and we're you know, the signals always there. But just because

1:02:45 the radio is destroyed doesn't mean the signal is not coming through. Right.

1:02:51 We're tuned into the signal properly, right, and we don't well, we

1:02:54 don't have a radio. Must they had the right frequency and was on the

1:03:00 right track, and some things were just out of my hands. If I

1:03:06 would you, if I hadn't listened to my wife and just stayed it would

1:03:10 have been a whole completely different story. But yeah, I might not I

1:03:15 might. I might not be talking to you right now, uh if you

1:03:19 stayed in, because you could have potentially you know, became uh you know,

1:03:23 so one of those people that are just their whole life's the mystery.

1:03:29 And you know, uh, the divorce rate in these you know, in

1:03:34 the CIA even is is tremendous. So I couldn't imagine one of these really

1:03:39 black, you know, deep dark programs that you know you can't you can't

1:03:45 tell anything anything about you can't tell anyone anything ever. Right, But what

1:03:52 do you think about new legislation that's coming out that is going to be able

1:03:55 to protect you the humor me And I think I didn't get a look at

1:04:01 any of that stuff, but as I guess, as long as it protects

1:04:05 us, like, if it's an illegal program, you can't legally prosecute anybody

1:04:11 for it. I mean, I haven't talked about anything you know, that's

1:04:15 vital to the security of you know, the nation. I mean, less

1:04:20 they actually want to. They would have to bring out a living, breathing

1:04:26 alien in the craft in order to actually charge me with something legally. There's

1:04:31 no other Yeah, I don't think that you could be charged at all,

1:04:35 because for it, if I'm going to get thrown under the bus, you

1:04:41 got to have proof. And the only way that they can prove it is

1:04:44 if they actually bring it out, And if they bring it out, they're

1:04:46 screwed, especially if they did anything really bad. Yeah. Well, I

1:04:53 mean, David Grush got the clearance to talk about non human biologics, so

1:04:59 I think you're okay. And plus you were you know your situation is a

1:05:04 little bit different, so I with with without that, I'm just saying,

1:05:09 do you think this will allow for more people to like the people in that

1:05:13 room that day? With you? Do you expect to start seeing more of

1:05:17 those people come out? Oh? Them all, recognize them immediately. I'm

1:05:24 great with faces. There's no way I could miss that one guy. He

1:05:29 looked like a root from that movie. Which is the thing I've I can't

1:05:33 start. I can't every time I see that that thing pop up because ever

1:05:39 I popped, I put that up on on Twitter or acts now and uh,

1:05:45 this is what a nervous D O D guy looks like, and he

1:05:46 looks it's an exact person that the h the joke was made out and a

1:05:56 few I showed somebody and he was like, there's so many guys that look

1:06:00 like that. But it's funny that you got another story that goes along with

1:06:03 that, right, because if you tell that story to the right people,

1:06:09 they'll they'll know. It's like you knew that secret knock. Like if you

1:06:13 know that story, they know that you were there that day in that room

1:06:16 with those people, and there was at least six guys in that room that

1:06:23 I could look at it be like, Okay, I remember you and you

1:06:25 and you and you, and it was twenty years ago. And I don't

1:06:29 know if any of those guys are alive or not, right, but it

1:06:32 made so that day made that much of impression on you where you could you

1:06:39 could see you, you'd be able to point them out in the crowd.

1:06:43 Mm hmm. Good. That's good to know. And and what prompted you

1:06:47 to to reach out to doctor Greer? And uh what what what prompted you

1:06:55 to go that that that that direction? Well, James Fox got me.

1:07:00 He didn't want to talk to somebody, and at that point it was only

1:07:01 him that I talked to. And then he introduced me to some people and

1:07:12 I got to talking with somebody who I can't who I can't give their identity

1:07:15 about because we worked on it. Anyways, all I got was a code

1:07:19 name. That he was talking to me about some stuff, and I was

1:07:27 explaining to him what they looked like, and he was telling me about what

1:07:32 his experience was, and this guy's experience from what he told me back in

1:07:39 ninety stabbed in ninety eight. He had been at Area fifty one for like

1:07:45 six months and he was an engineer working on something and he hadn't all access

1:07:50 so he could He wasn't like Bob just stuck in one spot. He could

1:07:55 move around. He was like intelligence security or something like that, and he

1:08:00 could mess around with different projects, like checking in on things. And he

1:08:06 was telling me that he was working alongside this gray that resembled how I described

1:08:15 what I had seen in the skiff that day, only this guy wasn't wearing

1:08:20 a black suit, white shirt, black tie like the one I was like

1:08:24 one like the one I saw in the skiff. He was wearing the old

1:08:27 BDUs, the old camel pattern. He was wearing the cover, and he

1:08:35 was just trying to work on his work on his ship. He was he

1:08:42 could get it up and going, but it wasn't working quite right and it

1:08:46 had to come back. And when he left, the guy the thing was

1:08:50 still working on that ship. But ever I saw the guy that I talked

1:08:57 to had seen the same exact thing, like like he drew something, I

1:09:02 do something, and we compare the pictures and he were like, yep,

1:09:05 exact, same exact least at these same species. Yeah, same species at

1:09:12 least, right, they all the ones the ones I got to see in

1:09:17 that skiff that day. I didn't. I only got to really see the

1:09:20 one up close, the one across from one on the other side of the

1:09:27 room. At one point their face had been cleared and then it sort of

1:09:31 blurred out like they were trying to do some kind of telepathic thing or something

1:09:38 like that. They looked like they were trying to concentrate. But there was

1:09:42 a group of four or five individuals over to my right behind these kids where

1:09:47 I was sitting, about ten fifteen feet away, About four or five of

1:09:53 them, maybe three, two or three of them could have been aliens.

1:09:58 I'm not sure there were. There is at least one or two people with

1:10:00 hair over there, so at least two of them were humans. Okay,

1:10:05 identified any of those ones if I really needed to, Just the one I

1:10:12 saw right in front of me and the two young kids. They're the only

1:10:15 ones that I would probably be able to properly identify right now. M hmm.

1:10:20 It sounds like it's it sounds like you you you passed a door at

1:10:26 the the Men in Black with the movie Lass, Yeah, yeah, peak

1:10:32 my head through justin a little bit, like but wonder really wonderful, isn't

1:10:40 it Just that that that thought in your head. See, you have a

1:10:45 confirmation, so you know if what you're saying is absolutely one percent. Yeah,

1:10:50 I mean you have a confirmation that most people don't and have any actual

1:10:56 proof. It's just my word and it would take other people to come and

1:11:04 and Okay, So with the disclosure project, you got you signed on though,

1:11:12 uh, I got my entire story. What the what was shown in

1:11:19 his presentation was the location at the James F. Hanley Federal Building, and

1:11:26 my name was redacted. There was another slide, a couple of slides later

1:11:30 on that actually had the location again, but my name was was blacked out.

1:11:35 Congress got the uncensored version or the unblacked out version, so they have

1:11:41 all my They got all my information months ago with everybody else is at that

1:11:44 time. Okay, So I so your information was in that and if Congress

1:11:48 didn't in fact receive that, then you know, what what what are you

1:11:55 hoping to do? What do you what are you hoping to do for the

1:11:59 old overall disclosure plan? Right because you know, even while we're recording this,

1:12:06 the Soul Foundation has dropped their own little disclosure plan and you know clearly

1:12:17 in the Schumer Amendment. There is literally something called the Disclosure timeline, the

1:12:24 disclosure plan. What what do you hope to do? Do you hope to

1:12:29 inspire others to come forward? Do you hope to to What is it that

1:12:33 you're trying to do? I just I want this out, and I wanted

1:12:38 the bandy to be off and just just grow up. Just we can take

1:12:44 it. We're dealing with all this other nonsense right now, and we need

1:12:49 a moment of levity, Like it's just it's time to to just grow up

1:12:56 and let the past go and embrace the rest of the twenty first entry with

1:13:00 open arms. And you know, boldly go where no well, I'm assuming

1:13:09 somebody I know what you're about to say, though, Yeah, boldly go

1:13:14 where no man has gone before. I mean, I mean, mankind's really

1:13:19 should get to do this. I mean, I'm not afraid if all of

1:13:24 a sudden they're watching this and they go knocking on my door and you come

1:13:30 with us. We'll let you do what you need we do. We'll let

1:13:33 you do what you want as long as you keep your mouth shut. Like

1:13:38 if you go now, nobody will ever hear from you again, but you'll

1:13:41 be off this planet. You get to go wherever you want. I'm down,

1:13:44 let's go. I said the same thing. I know, and I'm

1:13:49 ready to go. Do you think that the world would be a better place?

1:13:54 Yeah, disclosure happened. Yeah, I really do. I mean we

1:13:59 if we did need to all be a slave to the almighty dollar, that

1:14:06 would be they would change everything. It's an unnecessary thing to have. When

1:14:14 we were hunting down bears and elk in fighting off the wilderness, that was

1:14:20 one thing. But we need to move on from this. It's just not

1:14:30 that's not sustainable galaxy out there, And I totally believe one hundred percent of

1:14:36 my heart that it's a lot more like it's a lot more like Star Trek

1:14:42 out there than you would think, like, yeah, this situation out there

1:14:46 really isn't all the craziest. I would rather have, you know, bipedal

1:14:53 individuals that have intelligence and you can communicate with them over say irrect and it's

1:15:00 from Starship troopers, would you have, yeah, I think, or deal

1:15:06 with gigantic spiders they want to kill you. Yeah, I'm opting for the

1:15:11 alien okay, yeah, absolutely, yes, absolutely, And I think even

1:15:18 the word talking is used liberally here because I do think the next stage of

1:15:27 human evolution, because you know, evolution happens because of a struggle. Right,

1:15:31 Humans really don't struggle physically anymore. You know, of course the Third

1:15:38 World countries and you know all that, but let's let's talk about Western civilization.

1:15:45 Right. We don't really struggle physically anymore. It's more mentally that we

1:15:49 struggle, and and struggle breeds evolution. So I think the next step in

1:15:56 our evolution will be something to do with our abilities, in our in our

1:16:02 ability brain function, and it'll be it'll be not realm rather than some physical

1:16:09 trait. Okay, I just noticed there's a recording error that popped up on

1:16:15 my screen. Is his open recording tab to learn more? It it might

1:16:20 be my end. Yeah, it just let me mark this. It just

1:16:28 means you're out of disk space and I record locally, So don't yeah,

1:16:34 don't, don't, don't even worry about it. That's as it's it's completely

1:16:38 fine, okay, okay, yeah, so let me mark that marker created

1:16:46 beautiful. I love stream yard Man. They've got the best features. Now

1:16:51 you can like, all you have to hit is B and it will create

1:16:55 a marker. So that way, like anything that you've said that I think

1:16:59 is important. I write down the time, but I also click B for

1:17:02 a marker, and I'm going to delete all this obviously, that's why I

1:17:06 created the second marker. But yeah, all right, so you want to

1:17:14 help other people come forward. You've seen what you've seen. Why do you

1:17:19 think the government or whatever entity is at the home of the secrecy? Why

1:17:28 do you think that they with everything that's been going on lately congressional hearings,

1:17:32 people's interest in the topic being at an uh, I mean talk about an

1:17:38 all time high. It's just it's unbelievable, right, Why do you think

1:17:45 they're still grasping onto this secrecy? What do you think the truth may be

1:17:50 scarier than fiction? You know what I think it is. I think I

1:17:56 think it's more of a let's let grandpa die before we go met around the

1:18:00 stuff that he all the cool stuff he's got hidden in the garage, because

1:18:05 that way, you know, Grandpa can die in peace, and you know,

1:18:12 Dad's a little bit cooler. He'll you know, he'll let you play

1:18:15 around with you know, the ray gun and the hover board or whatever.

1:18:21 That's a comparison. While I've never heard that that's a really good way to

1:18:29 look at that. See, what you're saying is we have to wait for

1:18:32 like like for instance, let's let's it's like cable in newspapers. Once my

1:18:40 parents and your parents' generation dies out, I mean, my mother's already passed

1:18:45 away. Once that generation dies out, like cable will not be a thing.

1:18:51 Newspapers will not be a thing unless it's on online. Right, there

1:18:58 are just there's still a market it for it because there are still people that

1:19:01 grew up in that time right where that was. They don't they don't quite

1:19:06 understand the streaming and and all that and uh uh and and and computers and

1:19:13 the internet. So they keep what they have because they they're there, they

1:19:16 know it, They they grew up with it. They it's something they can

1:19:20 understand. Right once they're gone, we don't, we no longer really need

1:19:28 it. So it's it's comparable. I like that. I like that that

1:19:34 comparison that you made. Have you talked to your kids about this? I

1:19:40 did. I told my son, I told them, I actually did.

1:19:44 I told my three children that would understand what was going what's what's going on?

1:19:49 Actually? And I told my son because he was born two days after

1:19:54 I saw the the grade, the first the first grade the first time,

1:19:58 and then I told my daughter, said because why not? And then I

1:20:05 told my youngest and I asked her if I didn't tell her directly, but

1:20:11 I said, if a little kid that looked like this started going to school,

1:20:17 if you would you be friends with them? And I showed her a

1:20:21 picture of what approximated what I looked, what I what I saw and not

1:20:29 quite as scary looking. But she was like. I showed her and she

1:20:34 said, imagine a kid version of this, and she goes, oh,

1:20:40 yeah, I'd be friends with them. And so she's a cute little social

1:20:45 butterfly that loves everybody. So it's nice to her, she's nice to them.

1:20:50 But do you think that's maybe why I like in the aerial school case

1:20:56 and and the so there's the school, then there's the other. The school

1:21:03 in Africa in I think it's like rule Zimbabwe, there's so many cases of

1:21:12 landings at school yards. And do you think that they do that for a

1:21:18 reason, Maybe because kids are impressionable and they're trying they've been trying to acclimate

1:21:25 us. Yeah, yeah, that sounds about right. Because if I think

1:21:31 if the US government or or any government has a say in disclosure. I

1:21:38 think ultimately the others do have a larger say. Does that make sense?

1:21:46 Like the others, I think they're ultimately the ones who are going to allow

1:21:53 disclosure. Yeah, I'm not. I'm sure it's a fifty to fifty but

1:21:59 like we got home field advantage. But if they really wanted to show us

1:22:06 what they got, it might be a little too much if they all brought

1:22:12 it out at the same time. But for me, I'm I'm fine with

1:22:15 it. But as far as the rest of the people on this planet are

1:22:18 concerned, you got to convince eight billion other people on this planet that any

1:22:25 a large amount of gigantic discs showing up in the middle of the daytime where

1:22:30 everybody can see him. You can't explain it away a swamp gas or a

1:22:34 one hundred and fifty foot across weather balloon. Right, Yeah, it's not

1:22:41 Project Mogul. It's not Project Mogul this time. Yeah, it's hopefully,

1:22:48 hopefully it it comes out a little bit faster than it has been. Like

1:22:57 it we've dressed this in this past couple of month, we've seen a complete

1:23:01 change from complete denial to yeah, good luck explaining it now because enough stuff

1:23:09 has come out, it's way more accepted now. I see it at work

1:23:14 all the time. A lot of everybody that I know that is even remotely

1:23:18 interested in it will stop me on my way into work or whatever during a

1:23:24 break or something like how's everything going. And I this past week I was

1:23:30 talking with someone and I said, listen, I'm doing a podcast this weekend,

1:23:32 hopefully, and I'm not sure when it's coming out, but as soon

1:23:38 as it's out, I'll let you guys know. And I know that a

1:23:43 lot of eyes are going to see this podcast. And yeah, I have

1:23:46 a very large audio fan base. There's no exaggerations. You can hook me

1:23:54 up to whatever kind of device that you want, measure my eyes, the

1:24:00 sound of my voice, whatever. It's all true. So you swear on

1:24:04 everything that you love what you've told us today. I'm baptized Catholic when I

1:24:12 was a kid. I'm wearing my rosary right now and it has Jerusalem soil

1:24:15 in it. And no way, Wow, that's actually pretty nice. I

1:24:26 swear on my Catholic baptism. Okay, And I'll send my mother this uh

1:24:32 podcast episode link. No, I know she's she's gonna be interested to hearing

1:24:39 it, and I know it's gonna tickle her that I'm holding onto my faith

1:24:45 for And do you think do you think your mother's faith would be altered,

1:24:50 or say, anyone's faith, do you think Because I about it, I

1:24:57 went to go down to visit her, and I got to talk to with

1:24:59 her about physics and stuff like that, and I was explaining four dimensional time

1:25:04 space and multiverse fun Neil de grass Tyson and Michio Kaku stuff really up there,

1:25:15 big words that she's just not used to hearing because she's a backwoods country

1:25:21 girl who spent twenty years up in Alaska hunting out in the middle of nowhere

1:25:28 Alaska. Huh that we have a family homestead out in the middle of nowhere.

1:25:33 It's like two hundred miles away from Dawson City or something like that,

1:25:38 and it's just impossible to get to I know, for it is it's just

1:25:43 a matter of actually getting up there and yeah, wanting to be up there.

1:25:48 Yeah if there's a yeah, there's a lot of activity reported in that,

1:25:56 you know, in the Alaska I'm like super interested in Arctic lately,

1:26:00 and like, why why don't we have any real pictures of the Arctic,

1:26:06 because if you go on Google and you go to try to look at the

1:26:10 Arctic on Google Earth, it's all digitally created. Why this doesn't make sense

1:26:16 to me. There's like anything that you see from the turn of this entry

1:26:23 or whatever is dark, grainy. Hmmm. And where I found four pictures

1:26:30 of the Earth that were released by NASA that all have the same clouds they

1:26:39 like, the same the same exact clouds like not a you could overlay them

1:26:45 and listen. I'm not like conspiracy like that, but I'm just saying NASA

1:26:50 is clearly editing the photos before they release them. They're clearly doing something to

1:26:57 them. Because I don't care or how many times and how many pictures you

1:27:02 take, you will never get the same cloud formation all across the planet.

1:27:12 And this it's it's impossible. And to have that four different times, clearly

1:27:17 they're they're manipulating photography. So who's to say that they aren't holding back.

1:27:26 Yeah, to look at like Yahoo maps or Google Maps or whatever, and

1:27:31 you're seeing, yeah, you'll see live spots of my neighborhood or whatever,

1:27:39 and I can almost tell you know, you can tell you know whether they're

1:27:43 around the trees or not, what time of the year it was, when

1:27:46 the car we switched over from one car to another, when we put an

1:27:50 out front, when we set up the pool in the back. It's just

1:27:56 the But you go to like the old military bases and it's like some picture

1:28:00 from nineteen ninety or something like that. Yeah, yeah, exactly exactly that

1:28:06 hasn't been updated in forever, and it's just the same spot. The thing

1:28:12 is, I've looked at different versions of those Google those maps, like Google

1:28:16 Maps and Yahoo or whatever, and you'll see like different things of it,

1:28:23 Like they'll swap out the pictures now and then like they'll if you go to

1:28:27 the the quote unquots and the satellite photos of like Area fifty one, you'll

1:28:31 see choppers there one time, take a screenshot, go back several months later

1:28:38 and it changed. The picture changes and there's nothing there anymore, right,

1:28:42 And then go back and they're back again, and there's one more right.

1:28:45 They're on the tarmac, and the pictures change. I've noticed some interesting stuff

1:28:53 if you go over military bases on like Yahoo Maps, and there's this one

1:29:00 one that I saw where you see all these other ones that look normal,

1:29:03 and then you see this one, it's all blurry and you can tell that

1:29:09 there's some kind of active camouflage on that thing, like distorting the color,

1:29:14 because it's not they don't mess around with the picture. It's just the where

1:29:18 that craft is, where that outline is. It's got this weird looking blurry

1:29:24 line on it, like some and with a like a pen and scratch it

1:29:29 out or something like that. But an artifact in the picture, so you

1:29:33 can that's something that somebody did something to do it. It's reflecting off of

1:29:38 the top of that craft. And I guess it it may might have been

1:29:45 something magnetic. I guess I don't know. Yeah, you had a magnetic

1:29:48 interference basically or on the skin. Now I want to ask you a final

1:29:56 one kind of not final question. I have a couple more, but it

1:30:00 directed energy, uh technology? Do you think, uh, what do you

1:30:09 think about doctor Greer's recent revelations about those you know, when he brought out

1:30:15 these people in the Disclosure Project two point zero. You know they're talking about

1:30:19 these bases in the Arctic and directed energy weapons and uh do you do you

1:30:27 think that that this is all things that we are capable of? As ye

1:30:32 as sounds right? If you're gonna have a solar powered weapon, have it

1:30:35 on the South pole where there's no ozone, and it can run as much

1:30:40 of the Sun's power as needed. And you pointed to point this ray at

1:30:45 a section of cloud or a section of you know, the atmosphere, and

1:30:50 you create a storm out of it or whatever, right, And do you

1:30:56 think that that they may be bringing down UFOs that way? It's possible,

1:31:01 like if it's like, if they're supposed to let these ones in but not

1:31:06 these ones that's so visible to me don't here who who did we get?

1:31:15 Did we Are we harboring the enemy? Or are we harboring the innocent ones?

1:31:21 So that's what I was gonna ask you. And I'm I think there

1:31:25 are at least five or six different species on this fucking on this planet,

1:31:30 but I don't know which ones. I'm pretty sure the ones I saw in

1:31:32 the Federal Building were nice ones, but there could be I don't know.

1:31:41 I don't want to sound like, you know, the tinfoil have people,

1:31:44 but there could be lizard people or some other species. I mean, we

1:31:49 apparently evolved from apes. What's to say that these gray ones didn't evolve from

1:31:54 dolphins and they're they're down here seeing the people that they evolved from swimming around

1:32:02 in tanks at sea World and stuff, and we got you know, you

1:32:11 know, monkeys and zoos and apes and stuff. What's to say that there

1:32:15 isn't a species of very furdy individuals that look like Chewbacca that they are gonna

1:32:19 come down here. They're intelligent and they see that we got apes and cages

1:32:24 at zoos, they might get really mad at us for it, or we

1:32:30 might have bad words societies and the galaxy. And we're the bad neighborhood.

1:32:38 I mean, we're a paranoid that anything coming to here is is what's bad.

1:32:43 We're the bad ones. It's probably why I don't like humans altogether.

1:32:47 Like to be a relatively social butterfly, and I had lots of friends growing

1:32:54 up. I wasn't an outsider. I was one of the popular kids.

1:32:57 Yeah, I mean marrying my wife, I didn't even have to get together

1:33:02 with her back in high school. I had my pick of the letter.

1:33:05 I could have been with anybody I wanted to, and she's she's the one

1:33:11 that ended up. There's so much that that we perceive on our planet,

1:33:15 like we've we all come up with like, oh, what if they're cyborgs?

1:33:18 What if what if they're that? You know what, ninety nine point

1:33:23 nine nine percent of the population doesn't know what they're looking at or what they're

1:33:27 supposed to be looking at. There's just a I've got to in all,

1:33:34 maybe maybe seven or eight people plus however many people that were in that side

1:33:43 room when I went to go to the skiff. They're the only ones that

1:33:45 I know about that know about this, know about these things. At least

1:33:49 fifteen individuals. Between the individuals in that room and the ones in that skiff

1:33:55 that just just in that location, those are the only ones that I know

1:33:59 about that about what's going on. And then there's me seeing all fourteen of

1:34:04 them individually, the two groups of four when I was when I was a

1:34:10 teenager. There was the one I saw when I was a kid, the

1:34:16 group that I saw at the skiff, and the one I saw on the

1:34:19 ship. That was it. The eight I saw when I was a kid

1:34:26 were tall, black ones about seventy feet tall. What dark black? Where

1:34:31 did you see these? These? They came into my room when I was

1:34:35 a kid on two occasions, two groups of four and the first group,

1:34:41 the four had red eyes. And then the second group, three of them

1:34:45 had red eyes and one had green. The one with the green eyes went

1:34:48 into my dad's room and the other ones went in the other room other rooms.

1:34:56 One with the red eyes came in my room, had gotten really close

1:34:59 to me, and I try to keep my eyes on as long as possible,

1:35:02 and I pulled the sheet over my head. I'm probably fourteen at the

1:35:08 time and very much awake, but very much not a kid. Yeah,

1:35:15 I mean you're you're in high school. No, I'm not three or four.

1:35:18 I'm fourteen years old. Yeah, fourteen years old. I pulled the

1:35:23 cover over and I feel something gently rub against my arm my shoulder here,

1:35:30 and I ripped the cover off. Sit straight up. I look this VI

1:35:35 am not two feet away from this thing's face, looking right in his eyes.

1:35:43 It screeches like a low like like like they got their breath knocked out

1:35:48 of them. Like that's that that sounded like like you like you're breathing in

1:35:54 and screaming, breathing in. Yeah, that's basically what it sounded like.

1:35:58 It wasn't loud, but it was really soft, and they all swooshed out

1:36:02 of the room. Well, he swished out of the room. The rest

1:36:04 of them switched out of the rooms that they were in. They all went

1:36:06 down the stairs. Never saw those guys again. So when they were moving,

1:36:14 did they touch the floor. No, they seemed to be gliding the

1:36:17 light like more. Yeah, I'm not trying to coach you into saying that,

1:36:23 but I'm saying so there were no footsteps that you I'm sorry you cut

1:36:30 out a little bit. Yeah, it was really smooth, like they were

1:36:34 running. They they the way they moved, it was really really fast.

1:36:40 Oh when you said they were black, do you mean that that it was

1:36:45 very dark? Yeah, a solid, a solid dark color. When they

1:36:51 were out in the hall, their eyes were glowing. But when the one

1:36:56 that was coming towards me was coming towards me, it's eyes got dimmer as

1:37:01 he got closer, and it kind of had like, uh, like if

1:37:08 you were looking to a fly's eyes through a microscope and see a bunch of

1:37:12 little circles. That's what it was like. But it had gone from a

1:37:15 bright red brought like a bright red to like a dull burgundy color. And

1:37:26 when I sat up and was looking at the looking right at him, it

1:37:32 screached and just they went out like I just I didn't know what I was

1:37:38 just looking at. I was like, that's the second time. I'm thinking,

1:37:41 that's the second time those things showed up. What is what is going

1:37:45 on here? So I moved my room around. I moved my bed over

1:37:48 to the other side, and moved my desk over to the other side.

1:37:53 And I'm laying down one night, and this is probably a month or two

1:37:59 later, I just eyes open, just staring at my floor, waiting for

1:38:03 something to walk in my room. And I see this blurry figure walk into

1:38:09 my room. Looking at the floor. I could see his legs moving.

1:38:14 I could see him disturbing the carpet on the floor. But no, no,

1:38:19 no, no, there was a visual. It was blurry. I

1:38:25 could see through a wom No. Okay, okay, think like refracting light

1:38:32 and visibility cloak the first Predator movie when you're seeing him distorted, That's what

1:38:39 it looked like in the dark gotch like just the view of what's on the

1:38:45 other side of him, which was only my desk in the wall, was

1:38:49 distorted, and I could see these legs moving. He went down to the

1:38:54 end of my bed, around the corner of my dresser. I had my

1:38:58 dresser at the end of my bed and a cat storage cabinet, and it

1:39:02 opened up the cabinet, it looked at what was in it, and just

1:39:05 DVDs and CDs, closed the cabinet, turned around, walked out of my

1:39:12 room, stopped as he got to me, looked down, looked right in

1:39:15 my eyes. I looked right back at him, and then he looked back

1:39:20 up and walked out. Huh, I budge, just that was it.

1:39:27 And then so I see those shadows come back and forth hundreds of times my

1:39:31 entire childhood, but that was the time I paid attention. Do you think

1:39:34 that's why when you saw what you saw years later that you didn't freak out?

1:39:42 Yeah, I mean I did because but other people, but I was

1:39:47 just really surprised. I wasn't expecting it. Then I thought I'd have to

1:39:53 wait, you know. Well, at that point, I didn't think that

1:39:57 I was gonna be seeing anything crazy anyways. But once I sat down,

1:40:00 the realization hit me, like, I'm probably gonna have to wait seven years

1:40:04 before I get to work with these guys. So I had a six six

1:40:10 and a half year contract and they thought that was nuts. When I got

1:40:15 to Basic, They're like, how long did you getch your contract for?

1:40:20 Then? I said six and a half seven years. And I had this

1:40:26 red folder that I was traveling wet that was sealed and said classified, don't

1:40:31 open it, authorized your eyes only, all kinds of warnings on it.

1:40:36 My drill started, opens it up, he looks through it, He calls

1:40:40 up, the senior calls up, the first ergeant calls up, the battery

1:40:44 commander calls up everybody but the base commander. Basically, they're all around me.

1:40:49 They're like, how many other Avenger crew members are in here? And

1:40:54 there's like fifteen or sixteen others And I was the only one that went through

1:41:00 for a security clearance screening, a security interview. Nobody else, Nobody in

1:41:05 the other battery that was also adventure crewmembers also, none of them got the

1:41:10 security clarrent screening. Just me. What's so special about me? Is what

1:41:15 he asked. And it took me a moment because I think that's the question

1:41:20 we're all asking. Yeah, I have no offense, of course, I

1:41:28 mean this in no offensive way. Yeah, but why you right? I

1:41:35 mean, if I was seeing him as a kid and they were watching me

1:41:42 and the crazy stuff that happened with me. When I was taking the as

1:41:45 BAB at the Federal building, I killed the power to the room. I

1:41:53 don't remember it. All I know is I'm sitting at one of the terminals

1:41:58 taking the test and I felt weird suddenly, like I felt frustrated and upset,

1:42:08 and I couldn't explain what I was feeling. And all of a sudden,

1:42:13 this blue thing burst out of my chest, knocked the power out the

1:42:16 entire room. Everybody is freaking out. The security guys, the security clearance

1:42:23 guys, the guys that were approxying the ASVAB pulled up the security footage.

1:42:28 They scanned the room. They start from one side, they scan all the

1:42:31 way around. They get to me. I can just make out me on

1:42:39 the camera, and all of a sudden, this blue thing goes blue thing,

1:42:42 white thing, whichever color of that screen was at the time it sparked,

1:42:45 went cute, and everything went out in that room. Everybody's terminals went

1:42:51 down. You know how that sounds. That sounds that sounds insane. And

1:43:05 then afterwards, when they're looking at this this security footage, I'm standing there,

1:43:11 I got my arms crossed. I'm scared, like something happened with me.

1:43:15 And I can't explain it. And I'm just sitting there like, oh

1:43:19 shit, oh shit, oh shit, what am I gonna do? I'm

1:43:23 in so much trouble. And there's one guy, the one that was talking

1:43:27 to, one big guy. He covers his hip, covers up his first

1:43:30 and he's looking around. He's he's bugging out, and he's trying to figure

1:43:34 out which of one of us it was. And he looks right at me,

1:43:38 and I go, don't do it, don't do it, don't do

1:43:42 it, don't throw me under the bus. And nothing nobody says anything to

1:43:47 me. I don't get in trouble, but I go do the go do

1:43:53 maps the first time and pass through select my job. They go, okay,

1:43:59 based on your scull, we got this job, this job, and

1:44:01 this job picked out for you, and you get to pick out which one

1:44:04 one of them was water purification, which I wasn't interested in. The other

1:44:10 one was EOD and I had no interest in disarming bombs over there. I

1:44:15 hurt Locker hadn't come out yet, so I didn't know that. And then

1:44:18 there was in Seerra Avenger crew member and that sounded interesting, like cause those

1:44:25 guys they get embedded with with special operations schemes and get they're part of the

1:44:32 backup squad like everybody else, Like like like rangers, they got their own

1:44:38 unit, they got their own water guys. This they're onn that. All

1:44:42 these guys do have their own special parts that they do. And then I

1:44:45 got my thing, and I've got the classified part of what I was was

1:44:49 told. I got to see some cool videos and some stuff. I didn't

1:44:56 get to see anything. I'm not sure if I saw any footage like a

1:45:00 gimbal video or uh the Kniamds video or anything like that. I didn't.

1:45:08 I wasn't sure what I was looking at. Nothing looked weird. It's just

1:45:11 you see one radar thing on TV. If you don't know that you're supposed

1:45:15 to be looking at a uf AL, you're just you're just thinking you're looking

1:45:17 at a plane. Right, So I'm seeing footage of missile shooting down planes,

1:45:24 you know, the black ire footage, stuff like that. Nothing that's

1:45:28 nothing that you don't see on TV. Nothing out of the ordinary, nothing

1:45:31 that I wouldn't you know, put up a red flag about. Gotcha know

1:45:36 whatops? Cool, I'll go with that one. You know, cool,

1:45:40 you picked it. You picked a good job, so I go out,

1:45:45 you go when do you want to ship? So I picked November fifteenth and

1:45:48 gets me timed. It gives me thirty days to get my stuff squared away,

1:45:53 give my bank account and everything, get married because I had to get

1:45:57 married because they wouldn't let me come in with a kid out weblock. So

1:46:00 we got married on the fly and went in. Did my thing, got

1:46:08 told I had to go do a security interview, said okay, and when

1:46:14 and and that's when questioning me about stuff. And in the back of my

1:46:18 head, I'm thinking, don't think about don't think about the aliens you saw

1:46:23 when you were a kid, don't think you're nuts. Just just answer their

1:46:29 questions. And then the thing is something else interesting happened during that interview.

1:46:35 I'm on the phone. I'm on this red phone talking with this person interviewing

1:46:40 me. Because I'm talking with the one guy and I'm talking with somebody else

1:46:43 on this on this red phone. They got a disguised voice, and they

1:46:49 sound a little weird. They're talking overly proper one I get them to break

1:46:57 a little bit, and they must have moved the voice modulator out of the

1:47:00 way. I could tell that they were a female, but they didn't they

1:47:06 didn't seem to appreciate the fact that I was picking on them for talking overly

1:47:11 proper. And they did accent. It was it sounded very plain. There's

1:47:16 no inflection at all in their voice. Robotic. Yeah, very robotic,

1:47:24 very textbook, very like like I was raised with. No, there's no

1:47:31 region to where I'm learning this accent from. It's there's nothing there. It's

1:47:36 just flat. And that I kind of I was kind of smirking a little

1:47:45 bit talking on the phone. They could tell that I was messing with whoever

1:47:47 I was messing with on the phone, and They're like, just just answer

1:47:51 their questions and I'm like, no, they're talking where they're trying to catch

1:47:55 me on something. I'm seeing through their their bs. What's the what's the

1:48:01 issue here? No, I'm not a terrorist. Yes. The funniest,

1:48:06 The funniest thing is you might hear about this. I was attached to a

1:48:14 terrorist organization, but there's a funny story attached to it. And it was

1:48:19 the w w S, the World Wildlife Foundation, because my wife loves animals

1:48:26 and thought, oh, this should be fun. We're gonna go talk,

1:48:29 go door to door and knocking people's doors and get them to donate for you

1:48:33 know, defending the wildlife or whatever. Not not even thinking about hanging out

1:48:40 about the fact that we're hanging out with a bunch of you know, three

1:48:42 hugging hippies. Mm hm. And I'm talking with the guys in the room,

1:48:46 like, come on, come on, guys, how many you guys

1:48:48 have done something stupid for a girl. They are all just like, yeah,

1:48:54 you're right. So they're like, Okay, don't worry about it,

1:48:58 you're good. They thought it was she was. I was like, she's

1:49:01 pregnant too, and they're like, she's pregnant. It's like, yeah,

1:49:04 her water broke last night actually, and she they goes she's here. I

1:49:10 was like, yeah, then you're shipping today. Yeah, you know that

1:49:14 kid's gonna be born in like a day or you right. I was like

1:49:16 yeah, and my in laws don't know that they're in laws yet. Yeah,

1:49:21 the thing you're going to fort show because that's an offlong way away.

1:49:26 Hah. Well at this I had some humor about it. Yeah, they

1:49:30 sent me off. Yeah. So yeah, so you're I mean, you

1:49:34 clearly you've and this is something that I find to be interesting about the topic

1:49:42 is that typically people who have experiences, they don't just have one, they

1:49:46 have many, And like you know, for the most part, would you

1:49:53 say your interactions have been good? Yeah? Yeah, the I think the

1:49:58 time I was ever really scared it all? What kind of freaked out was

1:50:02 the tall black ones with the red eyes. If it had been one of

1:50:05 the coming to my room, I would have probably would have just reached out

1:50:10 to them, hopefully, but I got with the one with the red eyes.

1:50:15 Is there anything that you would change now with hindsight, I wouldn't have

1:50:19 left. I wouldn't have left the military. I would have just stayed for

1:50:23 somebody to come get me. Yeah, that's what I was. I was,

1:50:27 That's what I was thinking. You would say, oh, different,

1:50:30 But yeah, I would have. I would have gone with them. How

1:50:39 can we confirm that these programs exist? Uh? Jeez it basically, I

1:50:48 mean, because what you're what you're talking about, you'd have to raid the

1:50:51 places like like like it have to be, we'd have to or whoever was

1:51:00 and then would have to just storm the place whatever buildings that they're suspected,

1:51:05 if they even have the self they're still at all, because it's all game

1:51:11 from the federal building moved in I think twenty eleven, twenty twelve, But

1:51:15 I don't know if there's anything still on that floor or not right floor that's

1:51:23 not exactly easy to move that I can't talk about because it's not related to

1:51:29 that specific element of my story. Yeah, we're we're still out of that

1:51:36 as far as security. We're used to that kind of stuff. But see

1:51:42 you you would stay and and and you would try to get a glimpse behind

1:51:45 the curtain. Is basically what you're what you're saying, And I think that

1:51:51 I think that's I think that's what I would I would have, you know,

1:51:57 that's what I would where i'd be if I was you as well.

1:52:00 I really do want to thank you for coming on the show. You know,

1:52:03 you're you've you've been nothing but but but cordial with me. You know,

1:52:09 I want to hear more of our listeners stories, if they have stories

1:52:13 to tell. So you're the first of hopefully much or many more. But

1:52:19 you know, uh, you want to be seen, You want to talk

1:52:25 to Congress. What are your next steps? Uh? For for for for

1:52:30 that, what are your next steps after after we leave here today? It's

1:52:38 hopefully I actually get to go and speak with whoever's leading the charge in this,

1:52:45 whether it's Umber Chat, Senator Joe Rand, Meg Gabs, whoever.

1:52:54 Yeah, I think whoever's yeah, And I'm I won't hold like they're gonna

1:53:01 have to make me not say something because I've got nobody there to pull me

1:53:08 back and say, don't say that, right, I don't. I'm not

1:53:12 wearing a collar. I don't answer to nobody anymore. I'll keep my mouth

1:53:18 shut about the certain things that I have to keep my mouth shut about because

1:53:23 of the actual military involvement stuff. But as far as as far as our

1:53:28 alien visitors are concerned, they're fair game. And I'm I'm hoping that I

1:53:34 can actually advocate for them and let people know that. Whether I don't know

1:53:41 if they're higher ups are aware that any kind of abuse is going on,

1:53:47 but I'm pretty sure that at least some of them have been smacked around on

1:53:51 occasion from time to time once they finally got out of like the stone ages

1:53:58 of their involvement with us to in the modern day, like not when they

1:54:03 first showed up in the mid nineteen hundreds, but you know, at least

1:54:11 here. But yeah, no, I understand what you're saying came across in

1:54:18 ninety seven, ninety eight, there were five or six of them apparently.

1:54:24 I'm not sure. I'd have to go back and listen to that interview.

1:54:28 But if they're holding on to anybody being abusive to them at all, I'm

1:54:36 not gonna stand for it all. Not to be political or anything, but

1:54:43 I could this, and this is gonna sound cool. I could rather I

1:54:46 could care less of what's going on with Israel and Palis and or whatever whatever's

1:54:51 going on over there right now. I'm thinking on a galactic level. I

1:54:59 know it's does level. I know. I listen, I understand what you're

1:55:02 saying, because I mean, let's not let's let's not done with the human

1:55:08 the human problem. I'm dealing with the non human problem right now, right

1:55:13 and I think I think, I think a lot of people are are are

1:55:18 kind of like that. With the with what's going on down there, It's

1:55:21 like because they've they've been fighting over that land for uh since the beginning of

1:55:28 recorded history, so like what's new, what's new? I guess, uh.

1:55:32 And then you know with with Russia and Ukraine, the same same story,

1:55:38 same tribes, still fighting. Yeah, we need to get we need

1:55:43 to live away from that, like we need to move away from this notion

1:55:48 of mutually assured destruction nuclear weapons. I think nuclear weapons should all be dismantled

1:55:55 and just destroyed to their full stability. Uh. But that's again my my,

1:56:02 my perspective. I don't think they're adding anything to our civilization except the

1:56:09 ability to destroy it. Yeah, you look back at this the Star Trek

1:56:14 lore. The the rocket that caught the Vulcans attention was a nuclear missile that

1:56:19 had been refitted to be a rocket that broke some kind of barrier for a

1:56:29 few seconds and caught the attention. And if by my grandfather's thoughts on the

1:56:35 whole Star Trek thing, the Star Trek universe is a whole lot less stranger

1:56:40 than you think, and it's a whole lot more realistic than you think.

1:56:44 Right, And and like I said, I think, I think the atomic

1:56:47 age was that threshold that when we crossed it, they became more involved,

1:56:53 whoever they are, because because for because if we destroy Earth, like if

1:57:00 we were to destroy Earth, it would have ramifications throughout the entire galaxy and

1:57:10 like our our own galaxy, and then that disruption on a galactic scale would

1:57:15 have an impact on the cosmic scale. So I think there's a very high

1:57:20 precedent for preserving Earth. Right, I mean that we're not the right we're

1:57:30 I guess from the way, from the way the Milky Ways situated. We're

1:57:35 on an outer arm m hm. I guess we may or may not have

1:57:42 attracted the attention of something from not from this galaxy. I'm pretty sure my

1:57:48 triangle headed buddy, or yeah, my pyramid headed buddy. Uh, just

1:57:54 from Andromeda, which is where Grip said. That's when he's when he said

1:57:59 in Drama. I was like, if they say and he was from and

1:58:03 Rama, I'm just gonna lose it. And he said he was from and

1:58:05 Drama. I was like, oh, you gotta he kildn't be. I

1:58:10 was gonna say, that's earlier. I do you agree with everything Greer says?

1:58:14 Because I don't don't. I haven't listened to him that much. I

1:58:17 really have. It's I listened to him on Logan Paul on maybe two different

1:58:26 occasions. I think I saw him one. Yeah, I saw my sewn

1:58:30 Ryan, I think, and that was it. I'm not a big UFO

1:58:36 person. I didn't like the only time I would ever sit down and watch

1:58:41 any of those shows on sci Fi, the History Channel, the one with

1:58:44 that guy that goes Aliens with my father in law, and every single time

1:58:53 he was asking me about did you see anything? I just kind of like

1:58:59 I'd win get him, and he was like, did you just wink at

1:59:01 me? He's an old guy. He was ten years older than my mother,

1:59:06 ten or twelve years older than my mother in law, So he was

1:59:11 an old guy. He was like eighty four when he passed away. He

1:59:13 was a lot older than I thought he was. My wife, she's the

1:59:17 baby of her family and I'm the oldest of mine. Right, So my

1:59:23 perception of her family and her perception of her family's two totally different things.

1:59:27 Because mine, if you took her dad and my grandfather's oldest brother, they

1:59:35 were roughly the same age. Yeah, that's how those like yeah, no,

1:59:43 I get it. Okay, his life worked out versus the way my

1:59:46 uncle Will's life worked out. Uncle Will died at like sixty two, and

1:59:51 my father in law kept kicking almost to ninety and then man older for like

1:59:58 thirty years, right, right, pretty much died from radiation poisoning from over

2:00:03 the years from the little tick torch pieces. What is that? Yeah,

2:00:13 so the little blue tips for a tick torch become radioactive by the time they're

2:00:19 done being used, and they're supposed to be put into a storage a special

2:00:24 kind of storage thing and sealed up. And the company where they worked,

2:00:28 they didn't do what they're supposed to do. And a lot of times that

2:00:30 Ben was left open right next to his workstation. So when they tested his

2:00:38 his blood stuff, he had severe radiation poisoning from years. It was low

2:00:43 dose, but over the years it just tore him to pieces. But even

2:00:48 a low dose, long term exposure will will kill you. And I'm pretty

2:00:54 sure that might have been what did my uncle will in. Yeah, that's

2:00:59 so sad. It's so sad because companies need to be held responsible for those

2:01:03 those kind of actions. But if I was to believe what my grandfather has

2:01:10 said, after so many years in the regular military, he may have gotten

2:01:15 into a black project or something like that. But never you can confirm it.

2:01:20 Yeah all yeah, No, I mean, uh, you know,

2:01:29 you could, like I said, we could, we could start a journey

2:01:32 and try to try to dig up on that. Yeah, but I want

2:01:36 to say thank you for for for coming on here. And thank you for

2:01:41 telling your story, and you know it's very brave of you. Again,

2:01:45 I don't endorse anybody's story. I'm here to give a platform to hear it

2:01:49 too, to be that person that that facilitates it. And I think,

2:01:56 I I, you know, I think what you've said here today is is

2:02:00 is very very interesting. At the least, it's very I owe you benefit

2:02:06 of the doubt. So I think I would like to follow up on this,

2:02:11 uh further, And I really, like I said, I respect you

2:02:14 for your time, and and where can people where can people find you?

2:02:18 How can they get in touch with you? What's your Will Niles? I'll

2:02:31 put I'll put I'll put it in a link in the description below on Twitter.

2:02:36 And I don't really mess around with anything else. I've got a Facebook,

2:02:40 but I'm never on it. Yeah see you're you're at Will Niles fourteen

2:02:45 s so oh okay. Because I didn't make a Twitter account, like a

2:02:56 modern Twitter account that was involved with like this kind of stuff till till eight

2:03:00 like May, so I wanted to have something in there identifying that that the

2:03:08 fourteen ass was my MS. You got my DT two fourteen, right?

2:03:13 I sent a picture correct I said anything, all those pictures will be in

2:03:20 the episode. I got scattered throughout me swearing in for you. I just

2:03:27 don't know where it is. We've moved so many things around in the house,

2:03:30 and I dug out a bunch of pictures from when I was a kid,

2:03:35 or when I was younger, from when my dad moved, and I

2:03:42 found a bunch of stuff and found the pictures from the last time me and

2:03:48 my sisters were all together was Christmas at two thousand and one. That was

2:03:54 the last time all four of us were together. Wow. And that was

2:04:00 with my son and my three sister in my three sisters, And I'm only

2:04:08 wearing the that light green dress shirt with the black tie. You can see

2:04:13 my name tag. I'm not wearing my my jacket right right right. Well,

2:04:20 like I said, send anything that you can send over, send over

2:04:25 because I'll definitely utilize it. But thank you so much, Like I said,

2:04:30 thank you so much for doing this today and to everybody out there listening.

2:04:35 As always, guys, we want to encourage you. If you have

2:04:39 a story that you'd like to tell and and you need a platform to tell

2:04:45 that story on, feel free to message me on Twitter or email me at

2:04:50 tie at I mean tie dot Total Disclosure at gmail dot com. Let me

2:04:58 know you know what it is you want to talk about, and uh,

2:05:00 I'll vet it and uh, well we'll get in touch and and and get

2:05:04 you on one of these listener episodes. Will I want to thank you so

2:05:08 much for doing this and let's let's you know, here's to to the start

2:05:12 of getting your story out there a little bit more. Thank you so much.

2:05:16 All right, thank you very much. Uh, and you have anything

2:05:19 to Uh if you could give some advice to someone who's on the fence about

2:05:24 coming out, what would it be, Go all in? Uh, if

2:05:31 you're having any reservations, like if you're doubting yourself, don't do it.

2:05:35 If you're gonna do it, go all the way in, or else you're

2:05:41 not gonna be taken serious. I have not held back, not once.

2:05:45 I haven't exaggerated. There's nothing that has been factual that I said. It's

2:05:58 really hard when you first start out. The first time I ever spoke to

2:06:02 you was right after the David Rush interview, and I think I laughed right

2:06:14 away, like I didn't even didn't even get to stick around to hear the

2:06:18 response to it. Because something had going on, had was going on,

2:06:24 and I had to had to leave. But do you remember that conversation at

2:06:30 all? Yeah, I do, I do. What do you remember?

2:06:34 So? I just remember that it was during that live stream where you're watching

2:06:40 the David Grush thing where you had commented that you had wanted to tell or

2:06:45 talk to someone and I'd let you let you know to message me. Yeah,

2:06:50 so that's when our messages began, and that's when you started saying that

2:06:55 you wanted to eventually tell your story but didn't know how to. And I

2:07:00 think I just had. I eventually ended up having Burshette on and that kind

2:07:04 of renewed your interest, because you know, it renewed a lot of people's

2:07:09 interests. So yeah, man, and the guy that I think sitting down

2:07:16 with him would be like sitting down with my grandfather when he was He's dude,

2:07:23 Brushett. He's a Southern guy too. My southern accent might slip.

2:07:30 I know, I've got a weird accent from living here in Syracuse for so

2:07:35 long, but well, I was down to visit my mom for a little

2:07:40 bit and I came back home and I had a twang in my voice.

2:07:43 And it just went And then my wife was looking at me, like,

2:07:47 what is going on with your accent? My youngest at the time, she

2:07:54 was like, why is daddy talking weird? His hometown's coming out. But

2:08:01 yeah, no, Burshett is Uh, Burshet is amazing. Congress I've never

2:08:05 had more respect for a congressman. I typically don't like politicians, but uh,

2:08:11 my conversations with him and his colleagues have been nothing but amazing and transparent.

2:08:18 So let's uh hopefully get you on one of those stages sometime soon.

2:08:22 All right, definitely all right to everyone out there in the podcast Fear,

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2:09:11 for stopping in to total disclosure tonight. William once again, thank you,

2:09:16 and to everyone, we'll see you on the other side.