**BRIEFING TO CONGRESS** Eric Davis-Tim Gallaudet-Avid Loeb & Lue Elizondo -Part 1

0:14 Speaker 1: And again thank you for everyone for being here. I'm

0:17 Speaker 1: looking forward to today's here.

0:22 Speaker 2: Thank you all for being here. I'll be very grave lou,

0:24 Speaker 2: thank you for the introduction. Thank my colleagues up here

0:27 Speaker 2: to be kind words. I'm not sure what that's all about.

0:31 Speaker 3: I think I'm buying beets?

0:32 Speaker 1: Is that just singing? You're crazy?

0:34 Speaker 2: You're gonna dogs horses out before we get home today.

0:41 Speaker 2: It is a pleasure of being here, and I want

0:43 Speaker 2: to thank the people that are that are sitting right there,

0:45 Speaker 2: some dear friends.

0:46 Speaker 1: Of mine, people in the media and elsewhere that are.

0:50 Speaker 2: Always kind to me, and we don't agree on a

0:52 Speaker 2: bad young thing, but we do agree that this is

0:56 Speaker 2: the biggest comfort of our lifetime and we need to

0:59 Speaker 2: get it.

1:00 Speaker 1: And how mean you felt, folks? You know out there

1:04 Speaker 1: that we believe and for so many years people that

1:09 Speaker 1: believe like we did. And let them chats and they

1:13 Speaker 1: will bring it up.

1:14 Speaker 2: You get criticized, people say all kinds of awful things

1:18 Speaker 2: in biops.

1:19 Speaker 1: You d them on over that we know that things

1:22 Speaker 1: covered up and we're gont off of it. So thank

1:27 Speaker 1: you all for being here. Let's get on.

1:34 Speaker 4: What I'd like to do is because time is precious,

1:37 Speaker 4: especially for the members. Obviously they have a real job

1:40 Speaker 4: to do. This is part of it, but they've had

1:42 Speaker 4: a whole lot of other responsibilities. So that said, I'd

1:44 Speaker 4: like to first begin if I think he's specifically Representative

1:47 Speaker 4: Luna from the thirteenth District, if I'm not mistaken aforida

1:50 Speaker 4: from her leadership on this particular in this particular affortment

1:54 Speaker 4: and on this topic, this will not impossible if it

1:56 Speaker 4: was not for Representative Luna in her pursuit of the

1:59 Speaker 4: truth she has as she has served her country quite

2:05 Speaker 4: honorably and her husband as well, and when you've been

2:08 Speaker 4: in a little trip about across him, so.

2:10 Speaker 1: On, behalf of a very grateful nation.

2:12 Speaker 4: Man, Thank you for what you continue to do, your

2:14 Speaker 4: continued service to this nation and that of your family.

2:16 Speaker 4: It is greatly appreciate, and your service specific is well militarist.

2:20 Speaker 1: Thank you.

2:22 Speaker 5: Secondly, I led to thank Representative Brokeson, somewhat newer to this.

2:28 Speaker 4: Topic than some of the other folks, being on the

2:30 Speaker 4: Senate side and even the outside, who has also champion

2:33 Speaker 4: truth and transparency within the American government. I would refer

2:37 Speaker 4: to him as a healthy skeptic, which I think is

2:39 Speaker 4: important always keeping an open mind on other data to

2:43 Speaker 4: being for herself. And in my interactions with Represented Brookston,

2:47 Speaker 4: I've seen him to be every time and exclusively honorable

2:51 Speaker 4: and truthfully and he is now I think it's translated

2:55 Speaker 4: into the form you see here with the media President.

2:58 Speaker 4: We're going to have a very interesting conversation today. And

3:01 Speaker 4: again this isn't really possible because of the three individuals

3:04 Speaker 4: up here. So if you have timely long arm, I

3:08 Speaker 4: would suggest you give him a good deal of thanks for.

3:11 Speaker 1: What he's doing foreign usion.

3:13 Speaker 4: And last is certainly not least in Representative timber Shipping

3:17 Speaker 4: from Tennessee, who has been sepearheading this topic for quite

3:21 Speaker 4: some time at great personal risk to his political career.

3:25 Speaker 4: That's most of you know, that's one thing that politicians

3:28 Speaker 4: tend to what is risky, especially when it comes to

3:33 Speaker 4: collection time.

3:34 Speaker 1: And Representative for Schett, I would probably define him as.

3:39 Speaker 4: Bringing a working man's perspectives and a common sense perspective

3:43 Speaker 4: to the bureaucracy. Became the Washington d C certainly breath

3:46 Speaker 4: of fresh air and the champions for again truth and

3:50 Speaker 4: transparency for government and for institutions. So that's set, that's

3:55 Speaker 4: offer running applause for them. Secondly, delighted to thank the

4:05 Speaker 4: ESTUDI panelists that are with us here today. You don't

4:07 Speaker 4: hear okay back justin mons record, use my drill starting

4:11 Speaker 4: voice if I need to. We're gonna have three separate

4:15 Speaker 4: sessions with panelists with extremely Steve donograms. I'm not sure

4:21 Speaker 4: there's ever been assembled a panel like this in front.

4:24 Speaker 1: Of the American people. And I don't say.

4:27 Speaker 4: That likely because I've been part of a lot of

4:29 Speaker 4: means a lot a lot of sus both in the

4:31 Speaker 4: intelligence community and within the National security apparatus. We have

4:36 Speaker 4: elements from academium, elements from the scientific community, elements from

4:41 Speaker 4: the national security or elements around the intelligence community, all

4:46 Speaker 4: speaking here today to you about what they know regarding

4:52 Speaker 4: the UITB topic. The assembly here is is dare I say,

4:58 Speaker 4: possibly even historia. I'm truly honored to be with you

5:01 Speaker 4: here today. I will be your moderator. Real quick reminder.

5:04 Speaker 1: For a paylists I'd like to when you're asking a.

5:07 Speaker 4: Question, try and keep it within Try to keep it

5:10 Speaker 4: within three minutes.

5:11 Speaker 1: Eric.

5:14 Speaker 6: If you go beyond that, I might have to kind

5:16 Speaker 6: of get the conversation guarded into some other questions going

5:20 Speaker 6: to be doing a lot of panelists, and I also

5:23 Speaker 6: have a tendency to talk a lot, so I'm going

5:26 Speaker 6: to try to keep myself in check as well.

5:28 Speaker 1: But panalists try to keep your responses to three minutes.

5:31 Speaker 4: Some panelists have for you in presentation, So for those

5:34 Speaker 4: about a presentation, we'll do the presentation first and then

5:37 Speaker 4: we'll be followed up with questions, and of course, esteem

5:39 Speaker 4: Members of Congress, if you have any questions all the time,

5:42 Speaker 4: we feel free to ask that we will we will

5:45 Speaker 4: certainly have our panelists address those questions for you.

5:49 Speaker 1: One more reminder again, securityminder.

5:51 Speaker 4: I always said it before, but for everybody who's coming

5:54 Speaker 4: here after, I'm going to be asking questions. Some of

5:58 Speaker 4: those will be very pointed questions For those of you

6:00 Speaker 4: who have a security clariances but who have held any

6:03 Speaker 4: security clearance, I asked that you'd please be mindful that

6:06 Speaker 4: this is an unclassified venue and not to discuss classified information.

6:11 Speaker 4: For the record, none of us look good in an

6:13 Speaker 4: orange JUNKESU certainly I don't, so if you want to

6:16 Speaker 4: be mindful of that.

6:17 Speaker 1: And I also like to thank the medium, thank each

6:19 Speaker 1: and every one to be for being here.

6:20 Speaker 4: I know This is a topic that for quite some

6:22 Speaker 4: time was from the statement taboo. This would have been

6:25 Speaker 4: considered career suicide for any respectable journalists to cover this topic,

6:29 Speaker 4: just like it is for politicians and or elected leaders

6:33 Speaker 4: of this nation. And times are changing. Times are changing

6:37 Speaker 4: because of you. So I wanted to do a hearty

6:40 Speaker 4: thank you to the members of media or covering this,

6:43 Speaker 4: and last but not Leason, probably perhaps the most important.

6:46 Speaker 1: I would like to thank each and every one of

6:47 Speaker 1: you in the audience, Each and every one of you.

6:50 Speaker 1: This to an in me and each over want to do.

6:51 Speaker 4: That's watching this, each and every one of you that

6:53 Speaker 4: might be sitting on your sofa at home or run

6:56 Speaker 4: a dinner table and are interested in this topic and

6:58 Speaker 4: have asked questions. This is because of you. Our elected

7:03 Speaker 4: officials put this on because of you, not me, and

7:09 Speaker 4: not even our siting guests.

7:10 Speaker 1: Because of you. And that's you.

7:12 Speaker 4: Tell you something that means democracy is working, folks. That

7:15 Speaker 4: means strains aherency of work. That means we people are working.

7:21 Speaker 4: And that's a lot that's profound. This is democracy in action,

7:25 Speaker 4: and you're watching it. So I want to thank each

7:28 Speaker 4: and every one of you. And I also want to

7:29 Speaker 4: thank real quick the staff here in Hill that to

7:33 Speaker 4: help put this together and coordinate this I know to

7:36 Speaker 4: do a zoom, but thank you so much for for

7:39 Speaker 4: being patient with us and helping us with the audio,

7:42 Speaker 4: visual and the media and the seating is very much appreciated.

7:46 Speaker 4: So with that, let's go ahead and begin, shall we.

7:53 Speaker 4: So I would like to introduce the first of our panelists.

7:57 Speaker 4: Here is doctor aby Logan. Now bear with me because

8:01 Speaker 4: he has his academic VTA. It's probably about ten pages long,

8:05 Speaker 4: so I'm going to just try to.

8:06 Speaker 1: Truncate a little bit.

8:07 Speaker 4: So Doctor Abulow is a PhD. The Professor of Science

8:11 Speaker 4: at Harvard University. He is also the head of the

8:14 Speaker 4: Galileo Project. He is also the founding director of Harvard

8:18 Speaker 4: Black Hole Initiative. He's a contributor to Aero. He is

8:23 Speaker 4: also a trained astrophysicist. Let's see if we can get

8:28 Speaker 4: this right.

8:30 Speaker 7: Director of the it's very it's a two for theory

8:37 Speaker 7: and computation, and a former member of the President's Council

8:42 Speaker 7: on Science and Technology.

8:44 Speaker 1: So think about that.

8:45 Speaker 4: From Mentmory advising the President, former Chair of the Board

8:50 Speaker 4: of Physics and Astronomy of the National Academy and also

8:58 Speaker 4: author of eight books and over one thousand scientific papers.

9:03 Speaker 4: And he's here before you today. By the way, none

9:05 Speaker 4: of our panels are being paid. Everybody's doing this out

9:09 Speaker 4: of their own titness, in business of their own heart.

9:12 Speaker 1: The second panelists we have here is we're at only

9:16 Speaker 1: ten now your death.

9:17 Speaker 4: For those of you who certainly and the NADY know

9:19 Speaker 4: how hard it is to achieve the ring of Admiral,

9:23 Speaker 4: there is no easy fee. He's also a former acting

9:26 Speaker 4: Administrator by the National ocean of Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration AKAA.

9:32 Speaker 4: No other former oceanographer for the Navy, a advisory board

9:37 Speaker 4: menmber of the UAPD.

9:39 Speaker 1: Have folks here that are helping make this happen. But

9:43 Speaker 1: I'll tell you something else about ten. Tim also happened

9:46 Speaker 1: to be one of.

9:50 Speaker 4: The Navy officers that was suppresent and privy during the

9:55 Speaker 4: Roosevelt incidences. The Roosevelt is as y say, world, because

9:59 Speaker 4: there are many of these week the incidents that the

10:01 Speaker 4: USS Roosevelt encountered in the twenty thirteen twenty fourteen time

10:05 Speaker 4: frame when she was conducting military operations in the support

10:10 Speaker 4: of the war Terror.

10:13 Speaker 1: And so Adam Kay debt.

10:15 Speaker 4: I would consider indirectly awkitness to some degree of some

10:19 Speaker 4: of the dysfunction that the bureaucracy had overlaid on some

10:24 Speaker 4: of our servicemen and within.

10:25 Speaker 1: A uniform reporting up answer.

10:29 Speaker 4: Last, but not lease, is doctor Eric Davis, not only colleague,

10:34 Speaker 4: but a friend and in some cases the beneventor. He

10:38 Speaker 4: is a theoretical and applying physicist, senior science advisor at

10:42 Speaker 4: work Team, former researcher at the Aerospace Corporation.

10:47 Speaker 1: And now those are some of those.

10:49 Speaker 4: Let me tell you who he really is, doctor Eric Davis,

10:52 Speaker 4: who of our senior scientists during my tenure ated the

10:55 Speaker 4: Against Aerospace Threat Identification program and also as well he

11:02 Speaker 4: was one of our chief chief scientists. And by the way,

11:04 Speaker 4: he was also part of other legacy efforts before that,

11:07 Speaker 4: working with elements of the US governments.

11:10 Speaker 1: And I think what you're going to find him have

11:13 Speaker 1: to say today is going to be very, very impelled.

11:17 Speaker 4: He's an honorable man. He a service country time and

11:20 Speaker 4: time again. In some cases I had a great personal

11:23 Speaker 4: expense and professionally personally to himself and probably one of

11:28 Speaker 4: the smartest individuals I've ever had.

11:30 Speaker 1: Your aunor privilege to me in my life and work with.

11:34 Speaker 4: If you get a chance, I'd shake his hand because

11:36 Speaker 4: I would consider him like the rest of these gentlemen

11:39 Speaker 4: in National.

11:39 Speaker 1: Treasure, and I think, like I said, what he's going

11:46 Speaker 1: to tell you today is going to be very interesting.

11:48 Speaker 4: So this is why I need to remind your three minutes,

11:50 Speaker 4: because even myself, I would love to just let him

11:53 Speaker 4: move over about three hours. So with that said, I

11:57 Speaker 4: think we have a presentation. We're going to present first

11:59 Speaker 4: by as we mo So if we can just give

12:02 Speaker 4: you a quick random.

12:02 Speaker 8: Pause, thank you so much. It's a great leasure to

12:11 Speaker 8: be here. Let us be honest. There are objects in

12:16 Speaker 8: the sky that we don't understand. That's not the first

12:21 Speaker 8: time that we don't understand something. You know, our knowledge

12:23 Speaker 8: and to acknowledge is an island in an ocean of ignorance.

12:29 Speaker 8: We don't know what night with eighty five percent of

12:32 Speaker 8: matter in the universe is. We call it dark matter,

12:36 Speaker 8: but we invest billions of dollars figuring it out over

12:41 Speaker 8: the past half century.

12:43 Speaker 3: We haven't yet figured it out.

12:47 Speaker 8: My point is simple, we should invest a billion dollars

12:52 Speaker 8: in figuring out what is in our sky, and that

12:56 Speaker 8: means developing artificial intelligence algorithm software that would help us

13:03 Speaker 8: analyze data from state of the art sensors.

13:08 Speaker 3: And in one.

13:11 Speaker 8: Case, if all of these objects are produced by humans,

13:16 Speaker 8: the Defense Department will have a new tour to monitor

13:20 Speaker 8: was out there in the sky. It's important for national security. However,

13:27 Speaker 8: if one out of a million objects came from outside

13:30 Speaker 8: the solar system, the person who finds that object will

13:35 Speaker 8: get an OPEL price. It's a win win situation. We

13:40 Speaker 8: need to invest a billion dollars in this task, and

13:46 Speaker 8: I will mention a few datas of what we can

13:48 Speaker 8: do with it. This is a subject that the public

13:54 Speaker 8: cares a lot about, and so it's one of the

13:58 Speaker 8: unusual opportunities to invest the billion dollars in science and

14:02 Speaker 8: technology that will make all taxpayers happy.

14:06 Speaker 3: If you were to ask them, do they care more.

14:09 Speaker 8: About what dark matter is or whether we have a

14:12 Speaker 8: neighbor that is intelligent from which we can learn, they

14:17 Speaker 8: would tell you it's the second.

14:18 Speaker 3: Question that they want the billion dollars to be spent on.

14:21 Speaker 3: So to make taxpayers happy, let's invest the money. And

14:26 Speaker 3: if we.

14:26 Speaker 8: Don't find any technological critics from other civilizations, this would

14:31 Speaker 8: be a very precious defense system.

14:34 Speaker 3: For our country.

14:37 Speaker 8: So I will show a few slides describing what we

14:40 Speaker 8: have been doing over the past few years in the

14:43 Speaker 8: project that I'm needing at Harvard University, the Gallio Project.

14:47 Speaker 3: What you see in.

14:48 Speaker 8: The first Life is a title of an article that

14:52 Speaker 8: appeared in New York Times magazine, and I was not

14:58 Speaker 8: happy with the content.

14:59 Speaker 3: I contacted the.

15:00 Speaker 8: Editor and said, if this is the way you described science,

15:06 Speaker 8: how can I believe anything you say about politics?

15:13 Speaker 3: We could leave now.

15:18 Speaker 9: Now.

15:18 Speaker 8: And Rico Fermi nineteen fifty had lunch in Losladamos, and

15:23 Speaker 8: in his Italian accent, he asked, where is everybody?

15:28 Speaker 3: And that's a.

15:29 Speaker 8: Question that every lonely person asks. And what you tell

15:32 Speaker 8: a lonely person is don't be presumptuous. Your partner will

15:36 Speaker 8: don't come to you. You're not that attractive. You have

15:39 Speaker 8: to body dating size. And Rico Fermi didn't even build

15:43 Speaker 8: the telescope to look at didn't have cameras to.

15:46 Speaker 3: Check, and so saying where is everybody is argun.

15:56 Speaker 8: And many of my colleagues in academia, are you extraordinary?

16:00 Speaker 3: Planes required extraordinary evidence.

16:05 Speaker 8: If you read the moves, you would conclude that we

16:09 Speaker 8: are not extraordinary.

16:10 Speaker 3: There is room for improvement.

16:13 Speaker 8: And imagining something like us on a planet that has

16:16 Speaker 8: similar conditions to Earth. It's not an extraordinary claim. It's

16:21 Speaker 8: just an ordinary plane to say, under similar circumstances you

16:25 Speaker 8: will get life and eventually intelligent life. And most stars

16:29 Speaker 8: in the QA gotta see hundred billions of them formed

16:33 Speaker 8: billions of years before the Sun, so we are laid

16:35 Speaker 8: for the party they may have been before us. So

16:39 Speaker 8: it's an ordinary claim that requires ordinary evidence. When people

16:46 Speaker 8: make this statement, they also imply that we should not

16:49 Speaker 8: invest any funds in searching for them, and without seeking evidence,

16:54 Speaker 8: how can we find them. It's a self fulfilling prophecy.

16:58 Speaker 8: So my point is that in within the scientific community,

17:01 Speaker 8: innovation is suppressed by figure who assume the.

17:04 Speaker 3: Answer in advance.

17:07 Speaker 8: When I was a kid, I was most frustrated by

17:09 Speaker 8: the dogs in the room because I would ask them

17:11 Speaker 8: a question and they would pretend to know the answer.

17:14 Speaker 8: And the one reason I became a scientist is because

17:18 Speaker 8: I don't care what other people saying. I don't care

17:20 Speaker 8: how many likes I get. I just want to figure

17:22 Speaker 8: out the answer based on evidence. That's the way detective works.

17:27 Speaker 8: We shouldn't assume anything, but if we don't correct data,

17:33 Speaker 8: we will never find anything new. Now another important point

17:40 Speaker 8: is now scientific knowledge doesn't fall into our lab.

17:45 Speaker 3: To find the bigs poson.

17:47 Speaker 10: The CERN invested ten legal dollars in the large parcon

17:52 Speaker 10: crodder to find the first generation of stars and galaxies

17:57 Speaker 10: in the universe, the scientific version of the store worry

18:00 Speaker 10: the biblical story of the genesis, we had to invest

18:05 Speaker 10: tenally dolls in.

18:06 Speaker 8: The web by I was going about the b in

18:09 Speaker 8: the first advisor bill. That's the time, my boy, is

18:18 Speaker 8: you don't know my mind is something new.

18:21 Speaker 3: You need to invest these time and therefore.

18:26 Speaker 1: You can just sit on your.

18:27 Speaker 3: Share and figure I'll be honest the way most people do.

18:34 Speaker 3: And just give you an example.

18:37 Speaker 8: You you know, we are familiar with objects that have

18:41 Speaker 8: wasn't the mass we we are also aware of the

18:45 Speaker 8: baby knew us. It's not just expounding, but it's expansion

18:48 Speaker 8: is accelerating. So we see evidence rapt because us are

18:56 Speaker 8: and if we.

18:58 Speaker 3: Be as just as.

19:03 Speaker 9: If you can.

19:06 Speaker 8: The seal, this flow off unlike that and you wouldn't

19:13 Speaker 8: need that fuel. You would move in their arm. So

19:15 Speaker 8: the way we look at starship, our best rocket. Whoever

19:19 Speaker 8: has the access to a negative mass would would laugh

19:22 Speaker 8: at it. We are putting most of the mass in

19:24 Speaker 8: the fuel of the rocket. It's a huge, gigantic thing.

19:29 Speaker 8: And if they had access to a negative mass, that

19:32 Speaker 8: would not be necessary. You would just use the payload

19:35 Speaker 8: plus a negative masks that balances it. Just to give

19:39 Speaker 8: an example of something beyond our knowledge. If negative masses

19:42 Speaker 8: exist or not, we don't know if you can bottom

19:46 Speaker 8: this dark energy that fills.

19:47 Speaker 3: Up the universe.

19:56 Speaker 8: Now, they got a low project at Harvard University that

19:59 Speaker 8: was a stuff finished a few years ago. And then

20:02 Speaker 8: it followed the first report from the Office of the

20:06 Speaker 8: Director of National Intelligence to Congress, and I suggested purse

20:12 Speaker 8: of the NaSTA just around.

20:14 Speaker 3: That time that they should look into that.

20:17 Speaker 8: This is a subject where the intelligence agency cannot really

20:22 Speaker 8: make a lot of progress.

20:23 Speaker 3: So because the data is.

20:24 Speaker 8: Limited, so why not built observatories monitoring the sky. The

20:28 Speaker 8: sky is not classified. Astronomers have been looking at the

20:31 Speaker 8: sky for a while, the oceans are not classified. We

20:34 Speaker 8: just need senforce and then analyzing the data with the

20:38 Speaker 8: state of the art AI software.

20:42 Speaker 3: That's all we need. So this was not happening, And

20:46 Speaker 3: you know, I'm sorry.

20:47 Speaker 8: I'm not happy with looking at past reports, because when

20:52 Speaker 8: you look at past reports, you have a.

20:53 Speaker 3: Very limited data and you can't make a lot of progress.

20:58 Speaker 8: If the data is fuzzy, you can't really get it

21:01 Speaker 8: to be crispier. But if you have a working observatory

21:04 Speaker 8: that monitors the sky all the time, all the oceans,

21:08 Speaker 8: and you see something unusual, you can try and collect

21:10 Speaker 8: better data.

21:12 Speaker 3: And therefore I always say the best is yet to come.

21:18 Speaker 3: If we were curious enough, and that's what we should be,

21:21 Speaker 3: we can collect data.

21:22 Speaker 8: Forget about the hundreds of revolts from the past and

21:26 Speaker 8: have a collection of millions of objects that we look at.

21:30 Speaker 3: That's what the Galileo project is about.

21:34 Speaker 8: And in the future we can get very good data

21:37 Speaker 8: with equipment that was never tried before. Because the stronomers

21:41 Speaker 8: usually focus on a small part of the sky and

21:43 Speaker 8: look at things that are far away, they ignore objects

21:47 Speaker 8: flying overhead. And the Galilea project has developed an observatory

21:52 Speaker 8: and Harvard University first that monitors the sky in the infrared, optical, radio,

22:00 Speaker 8: an audio, and as of now we are actually doing triangulation.

22:03 Speaker 3: We have multiple units that look.

22:06 Speaker 8: At the same object from different directions so that we

22:08 Speaker 8: can figure out the distance, the velocity acceleration of the object.

22:12 Speaker 3: That's extremely important.

22:15 Speaker 8: And we are building additional observatories, one in Pennsylvania, another

22:21 Speaker 8: one in Nevada.

22:22 Speaker 3: Hopefully by the end of the summer.

22:24 Speaker 8: We have three observatories collecting daya on a few million

22:28 Speaker 8: objects every year, and I say, even if one in

22:32 Speaker 8: a million is of extraterrestrial origin, that would be the

22:37 Speaker 8: biggest discovery that humanity ever made.

22:41 Speaker 3: It would mean that we have a partner.

22:44 Speaker 8: We shouldn't assume anything about the neighbor, but it would

22:49 Speaker 8: be useful to figure out what they are capable of,

22:52 Speaker 8: because we can do better. There are probably more advanced

22:57 Speaker 8: than we are. They reached our backyard before we slirbeck yard.

23:03 Speaker 8: So we collected data on many, by now millions of objects.

23:09 Speaker 3: We analyzed it and obviously we are happy to share.

23:15 Speaker 1: The data.

23:17 Speaker 3: With whoever is interested.

23:20 Speaker 8: But also over the past decade, the first objects from

23:23 Speaker 8: outside the Solar System were discovered for the first time

23:27 Speaker 8: by astronomers.

23:30 Speaker 3: There were three of them.

23:33 Speaker 8: The first was identified by US government satellites that are

23:37 Speaker 8: monitoring the Earth for any ballistic missiles being launched by

23:41 Speaker 8: alvasarian nations, and in twenty fourteen they noticed an object

23:48 Speaker 8: that collided with Earth and exploded with a fireball that

23:53 Speaker 8: released one percent of the Hiroshima atomic bomb energy, and

23:59 Speaker 8: they decided it's not human made and therefore it can

24:03 Speaker 8: be sheld with astronomy community. So NASA published a cartagog

24:07 Speaker 8: of all these meteors over the past decade.

24:11 Speaker 3: And one of them was this one.

24:13 Speaker 8: We looked at the catalog and uncovered it and realized

24:17 Speaker 8: that it came from outside the Solar System because it

24:19 Speaker 8: was moving very fast. It was moving faster than ninety

24:22 Speaker 8: five percent of the stars in the vicinity of the

24:25 Speaker 8: Sun outside the Solar system. So the question is was

24:30 Speaker 8: it a voyager like prob because it's moving so fast,

24:36 Speaker 8: or maybe just a rock from another star. That was

24:40 Speaker 8: the first one, and then the second one in twenty

24:44 Speaker 8: seventeen was a much bigger object.

24:46 Speaker 3: The first one was half a meter in size. The

24:49 Speaker 3: second one was the size of the football field. It

24:51 Speaker 3: didn't collide with Earth. It would have been.

24:53 Speaker 8: Catastrophic if it did, because it would have killed a storm.

24:59 Speaker 8: But it passed near Earth within a sixth of the

25:02 Speaker 8: Earth's Sun separation. It was observed by a telescope in

25:06 Speaker 8: Hawaiian monitoring Near Earth objects because we are all afraid

25:10 Speaker 8: of what happened to the dinosaurs, right, we don't want

25:13 Speaker 8: to have the same fate. And then they realized this

25:18 Speaker 8: object is moving too fast to be bound by rap

25:21 Speaker 8: into the sun and they called it one, which means

25:25 Speaker 8: a scout in the Hawaiian language. Now, this object at

25:30 Speaker 8: first was thought to be a comet, but there was

25:33 Speaker 8: no commentary table around it, no gas or dust.

25:38 Speaker 1: And then it.

25:39 Speaker 8: Exhibited an excess push away from the sun without any

25:46 Speaker 8: rocket effect of acting on it. And moreover it was

25:51 Speaker 8: it had a very extreme shape, most likely flat like

25:55 Speaker 8: in this based on the reflection of sunlight. The month

25:58 Speaker 8: of sunlight reflected from it changed by a factor of

26:01 Speaker 8: ten every eight hours. It was stumbling, very unusual object.

26:08 Speaker 8: So it wasn't clear it's.

26:09 Speaker 3: Not an asteroid, it's not a comment what is it?

26:14 Speaker 3: And I suggested, well.

26:15 Speaker 8: Maybe it's a space trash and an empty trash bag

26:18 Speaker 8: from another civilization.

26:21 Speaker 3: So that was twenty seventeen, and then oops, and then

26:28 Speaker 3: there was oops.

26:31 Speaker 8: True Okay, then there was a comment which looked just

26:35 Speaker 8: like the comments that we are familiar with in twenty

26:38 Speaker 8: nineteen Hourslow came from outside of subsiden based on its speed,

26:43 Speaker 8: and my colleagues said, well, this one looks familiar, so

26:47 Speaker 8: doesn't it convince you that the others are also natural?

26:51 Speaker 8: And I said, well, if you go down the street

26:53 Speaker 8: and you see a weird person and after that you

26:56 Speaker 8: see a normal person, it doesn't make the weird person normal.

27:03 Speaker 3: So was really strange? Most likely flat, and it's not

27:13 Speaker 3: clear what it was.

27:14 Speaker 8: I suggested, maybe it's a very thin object pushed by sunlight,

27:19 Speaker 8: reflecting sunlight, and in fact, a lot of technological debris

27:24 Speaker 8: that we produce is being pushed by reflecting sunlight. In fact,

27:35 Speaker 8: I'm not sure, okay. In fact, the space trash that

27:39 Speaker 8: we produce. On January second, twenty twenty five, just this year,

27:43 Speaker 8: an amateur stormer not this an object passing near Earth,

27:49 Speaker 8: and it was catalog as a near Earth asteroid.

27:54 Speaker 3: Seventeen hours later it was realized, oh, this object moves exactly.

27:58 Speaker 8: The same way as the Testler Holdster car that was

28:02 Speaker 8: lodged by spaces in twenty eighteen Plo mass. It is

28:07 Speaker 8: the it is a car, it's not an asteroid. That

28:11 Speaker 8: removed it from the catalog. And I actually had a

28:15 Speaker 8: bed with Elon. I am willing to put.

28:21 Speaker 3: One percent of my network against one percent of his network.

28:27 Speaker 8: To search to check if there is any other space

28:32 Speaker 8: entrepreneur who is more accomplished than he is since the

28:38 Speaker 8: Big Bang thirteen point eight billion years ago.

28:42 Speaker 3: Let's figure it out. It's not a lot of money

28:45 Speaker 3: for him.

28:47 Speaker 8: And then actually, in twenty twenty, there was the same

28:51 Speaker 8: telescope in Hawaii that discovered the world was discovered another

28:54 Speaker 8: object that was pushed by reflecting sunlight. And then after

28:58 Speaker 8: a few weeks astronomers realized, oh, that's a rocket booster

29:02 Speaker 8: from a nineteen sixty six launched by NASA.

29:07 Speaker 3: So we know that some of the objects that are

29:11 Speaker 3: unusual being pushed.

29:12 Speaker 8: By sunlight are human made. The question is who produced

29:19 Speaker 8: more and more. And my point is that the next

29:27 Speaker 8: Copernican revolution. Remember Copernicus realized we're not the physical center

29:33 Speaker 8: of the universe. I actually visited Poland a year ago,

29:38 Speaker 8: a day after visiting the Munich Security conference, where I

29:42 Speaker 8: spoke as the first most physicist that ever.

29:46 Speaker 3: By the way, I saw on the roof of the

29:48 Speaker 3: hotel that.

29:49 Speaker 8: The Munich security contments there were snipers with the black

29:53 Speaker 8: head covers. They were there to protect the politicians. I

29:55 Speaker 8: realized being an ask for physicist is really very fortunately

29:58 Speaker 8: but nobody wants to kill me. But at an event,

30:09 Speaker 8: the next Popernican revolution is that we are not at

30:13 Speaker 8: the technological center of the universe. We have something to

30:16 Speaker 8: learn from a smarter kid on our cosmic blog, and

30:23 Speaker 8: I wrote a paper a couple of months ago where

30:27 Speaker 8: I explained that with the space telescope we can actually

30:30 Speaker 8: go through the minium objects roughly meter in size within

30:35 Speaker 8: the orbit of the other around the Sun that came

30:37 Speaker 8: from outside the Solar system and figure out whether among them,

30:41 Speaker 8: among all the rocks, there is space trash from other

30:46 Speaker 8: civilizations because over the past billions of years they predated us,

30:51 Speaker 8: and they polluted in the star space. Because we sent

30:54 Speaker 8: out five pros Voyager, one Voyager, two Pioneer, ten Pioneer,

30:59 Speaker 8: eleven new horizons, they are heading out of the places

31:03 Speaker 8: and towards in the stellar space. We did it over

31:05 Speaker 8: fifty years, just in how many more we will produce

31:09 Speaker 8: in the next billion years, and all of that keeps accumulating.

31:14 Speaker 3: Like plastics in the ocean, all of this trash.

31:18 Speaker 8: Produced by other civilizations, and we just have to look

31:22 Speaker 8: in our backyard and figure it out.

31:24 Speaker 3: Again, a billion dollars can go a long way in.

31:27 Speaker 8: This direction, but right now this subject is outside the

31:31 Speaker 8: mainstream of astronomy. Instead, the highest priority defined by the

31:36 Speaker 8: Decable Survey is to spend them more than ten billion

31:41 Speaker 8: dollars in the search for microbes, for the molecular figuring

31:45 Speaker 8: mites of microbes in the atmospheres of exoplanets.

31:50 Speaker 3: And frankly, I am much.

31:52 Speaker 8: More excited about finding intelligence than finding microbes for a

31:58 Speaker 8: simple reason that we can learn from a higher level

32:01 Speaker 8: of intelligence. One reason I seek intelligence in interstellar space

32:05 Speaker 8: is because I don't often.

32:07 Speaker 3: Find it here or never. And you may ask, whereas.

32:14 Speaker 8: Wiring voyager being in a billion years, it will be

32:20 Speaker 8: on the opposite side of the milkiwag gards. So if

32:23 Speaker 8: most stars formed billause of years before the Sun, lynda

32:27 Speaker 8: for a fact, they had I mean, the were civilizations

32:31 Speaker 8: like us out there. They had plenty of time for

32:35 Speaker 8: their spacecraft regions, and we had a really checked. Until

32:40 Speaker 8: the last decade, we didn't really know about interstellar objects.

32:43 Speaker 3: So I'm saying this is new now.

32:45 Speaker 8: The meteor, the object that collided with Earth, was interesting

32:48 Speaker 8: because for a cost of one and a half million

32:51 Speaker 8: dollars that I received from the donor, we were able

32:56 Speaker 8: to go to the Pacific Ocean and search for materials

32:59 Speaker 8: left from this indostem object. It exploded only twenty kilometers

33:04 Speaker 8: above the service of the ocean, and then that implied

33:08 Speaker 8: that it had material strength tougher than all other hundreds

33:13 Speaker 8: of meteors in the NASA cantalope. So it was unusual

33:17 Speaker 8: in its material strength, in its speed, and the question

33:20 Speaker 8: was could it be a voyager like.

33:24 Speaker 3: Meteor?

33:25 Speaker 11: Could it be?

33:26 Speaker 8: And Tesla wants the car like meteor because that car

33:30 Speaker 8: actually really collided with Earth probably.

33:33 Speaker 3: In several at tens of millions.

33:34 Speaker 8: Peers and my colleagues if they are, if there are

33:38 Speaker 8: any instrumers at that time, they might argue, it's a

33:41 Speaker 8: rock of retirement we've never seen before.

33:46 Speaker 3: So actually, the US Space Command looked back at the.

33:49 Speaker 8: Data after I reached them through the White House, and

33:54 Speaker 8: then they confirmed, yes, this meteor actually.

33:59 Speaker 3: Came from outside the Solar System.

34:01 Speaker 8: The data was reliable, and they also released the lacter

34:07 Speaker 8: of the explosion that indicated how much energy was released

34:12 Speaker 8: at what altitude was the explosion, And so I decided

34:18 Speaker 8: to lead an expedition to the Pacific Ocean.

34:20 Speaker 3: We went there.

34:22 Speaker 8: Slightly less than two years ago, and what you see

34:26 Speaker 8: here is the deck of the ship that was fittingly.

34:30 Speaker 3: Called Silver Star. We built a sled with.

34:34 Speaker 8: Magnets on both sides, and we placed it on the

34:36 Speaker 8: ocean floor, which was a mile deep, and we surveyed

34:40 Speaker 8: the region that is seven miles in size, looking for

34:44 Speaker 8: any more than droplets left over from the explosion, just

34:48 Speaker 8: to figure out.

34:49 Speaker 3: Was it a natural rock or maybe a gadget.

34:55 Speaker 8: And I thought my students before I left it, if

34:59 Speaker 8: we find a gudget, it has buttons on it, should

35:01 Speaker 8: I press the button?

35:04 Speaker 3: The opinions were split.

35:06 Speaker 8: Half of the class said, please don't do that. He

35:10 Speaker 8: put all of all of us in the risk, and

35:13 Speaker 8: the other half said, please do. We would like to

35:16 Speaker 8: see if it's charged BD one hundred. So we brought

35:24 Speaker 8: back materials and it was a two week expedition. I

35:29 Speaker 8: put this all the materials in this black suitcase and

35:33 Speaker 8: shipped them and shipped it by felax to my home

35:36 Speaker 8: and then brought it to the laboratory of my colleague

35:39 Speaker 8: at the Howard Stein Jabosone, who has is a world

35:44 Speaker 8: renowned geochemist that has the best instruments in the world.

35:48 Speaker 8: And on the other side of me in this photo

35:51 Speaker 8: is the summer intern Sophie Barre's room, who worked with

35:54 Speaker 8: me that summer, and she discovered eight hundred and fifty

35:59 Speaker 8: more than droplet within the materials that we brought back,

36:02 Speaker 8: and I gave her the homory title the spherml Hunter.

36:09 Speaker 3: And you can see here what these more than droplets

36:12 Speaker 3: were like.

36:12 Speaker 8: They were very distinct relative to the background sand, and

36:15 Speaker 8: we picked them up with twizzlers and published the results.

36:21 Speaker 8: And so there was one type of those mountain droplets,

36:24 Speaker 8: about ten percent of the entire reservoir that looked very unusual.

36:30 Speaker 8: They had a composition, a chemical composition that was very

36:33 Speaker 8: different than solar system materials, up to a thousand times

36:38 Speaker 8: higher abundance of beryllium lantern.

36:40 Speaker 1: In uran.

36:42 Speaker 3: Than you find in solar system materials.

36:46 Speaker 8: And so that's a possible indication that we found some

36:50 Speaker 8: material from the original loger.

36:52 Speaker 3: But we want to go back.

36:55 Speaker 8: And search for bigger pieces with a robbot that we

36:58 Speaker 8: will put on the open floor wills six and a

37:00 Speaker 8: half million dollars.

37:01 Speaker 3: We don't have the fund the rest of yet. If

37:04 Speaker 3: anyone is interested in joining us, to let me know.

37:07 Speaker 8: This is an image from the last day of the

37:09 Speaker 8: previous expedition where I was standing on the ship looking

37:12 Speaker 8: at the sunset. Next to me is an eighty eight

37:15 Speaker 8: years old Art had Art right, who was commander of

37:22 Speaker 8: a destroyer during the Vietnam War, and I really liked

37:26 Speaker 8: him because he wouldn't speak much. He would solve problems

37:32 Speaker 8: and everything he said was true. And there aren't many

37:37 Speaker 8: people like that these days. What you find most often

37:40 Speaker 8: are people that are virtue signal day that are trying

37:44 Speaker 8: to impress you. That's partly the culture of social media.

37:51 Speaker 8: But this mission was a success thanks to Art, and

37:57 Speaker 8: he reminded.

37:58 Speaker 1: Me of my father.

37:59 Speaker 3: I really liked him.

38:02 Speaker 8: Now this year, this in August twenty twenty five, there

38:05 Speaker 8: is a new observatory in Chile that was funded by

38:08 Speaker 8: the Department of Energy and the National Science Foundation. It's

38:13 Speaker 8: called the Vera Sea will be observatory and it will

38:18 Speaker 8: serve in the southern sky every four nights and could

38:23 Speaker 8: find on one one like objects every few months if

38:28 Speaker 8: they are out there, and.

38:29 Speaker 3: Now we know to look at them in much greater detail.

38:33 Speaker 8: We can use the web telescope to do that, and

38:36 Speaker 8: this teles called we'll use a camera that is.

38:41 Speaker 3: Three point two gaping pixels in resolutions, so.

38:44 Speaker 8: A thousand times more than the number of resolution elements

38:49 Speaker 8: you have in your cell phone. So I'm very excited

38:52 Speaker 8: about the coming year or two. We will have more

38:55 Speaker 8: results from the observatories, the tact level project. His belief,

38:59 Speaker 8: we will have potentially a new expedition where we can

39:02 Speaker 8: look for bigger business of this first indust or meteor

39:06 Speaker 8: and the ruby on secatory might find more one ye objects.

39:11 Speaker 8: But if we really want to make fast progress, we

39:14 Speaker 8: need more funds. If I had a hundred billion dollars

39:18 Speaker 8: or a billion dollars, I know exactly what needs to

39:21 Speaker 8: be done and we can make We can get much

39:24 Speaker 8: better understanding of our cosmic neighborhood. As I said before,

39:31 Speaker 8: the software that we developed would be of great use

39:35 Speaker 8: to the Department of Defense.

39:37 Speaker 12: Thank you, by GAD, I would like to shake a

39:49 Speaker 12: couple of words, and we're gonna try to make this

39:51 Speaker 12: breach so we can go ahead and start get into

39:54 Speaker 12: some of the questions.

39:55 Speaker 1: Sir, Thank you very much.

39:58 Speaker 9: It's great to be here and represented of Luna and

40:01 Speaker 9: Rold Willis and which at appreciate you given us all

40:04 Speaker 9: in opportunity to share what we want to share and

40:07 Speaker 9: stay we want to say.

40:08 Speaker 1: About this important topic of UAP.

40:11 Speaker 9: So I'll be about five minutes here into the list,

40:13 Speaker 9: But today I follow on the American scientific enterprise to

40:16 Speaker 9: mainstream UAP research and development, and to do that a

40:19 Speaker 9: population first begin by assessing the current.

40:22 Speaker 3: State of UAP research.

40:24 Speaker 13: There are a few brave individuals and organizations conducting.

40:27 Speaker 9: Such research, including professor below through the Galileo Project of

40:30 Speaker 9: partner Professor Diana Silga and u n CW doctors Gary

40:35 Speaker 9: Nolan and Peter Scaifish the Sole Foundation, with Stanford University

40:40 Speaker 9: doctor Professor Jacky cry Fall with the Artifact of the

40:42 Speaker 9: Impossible Writing University of the Scientific Coalition of UAP Studies.

40:47 Speaker 9: But these are by far the exception for UAP research

40:51 Speaker 9: and scientific studies shot by the American science community real large.

40:54 Speaker 9: Even with dozens of credible former military witnesses coming forward

40:58 Speaker 9: as well as legislative action from Congress in recent years,

41:02 Speaker 9: the stigmamber means too great to jeopardize the reputation, promotion, potential.

41:07 Speaker 13: And tenure of those in academia.

41:10 Speaker 9: To better understand this resistance, it might be useful for

41:12 Speaker 9: me to describe the state of climate and science in

41:14 Speaker 9: this country where the complete opposite is occurring. As a

41:18 Speaker 9: former administrator of the National Chuanico Atmosphere Administration with a

41:21 Speaker 9: PhD in oceanography, I have studied the changes occurring in

41:24 Speaker 9: our earth system, and while they are Indein's significated, I

41:28 Speaker 9: by no means a climate denier. Climate change is far

41:32 Speaker 9: from the existential thread the mainstream media and some and

41:35 Speaker 9: science community claimant to be.

41:37 Speaker 13: A false narrative has been propagated.

41:38 Speaker 9: The global warming cause by anthrogenic greenhouse gases is the

41:41 Speaker 9: cause of every severe weather event on any given day.

41:45 Speaker 9: This is mainly resolve of a large number of scientific

41:47 Speaker 9: studies that employ extreme and applausible difference in areas. Lacking

41:51 Speaker 9: the expertise to critically evaluate such studies, the Avere system

41:54 Speaker 9: is readily accepted. Such misinformation, conflating every extreme weather event

41:58 Speaker 9: the climate change is size incomplete and incorrect. The most

42:03 Speaker 9: examples come around every hurricane season, for which satellite data

42:07 Speaker 9: over the fifty years shows have been no trend upward

42:10 Speaker 9: or downward of these storms. The same goes for wildfires,

42:13 Speaker 9: where huge coverage always link to climate change for their occurrence,

42:16 Speaker 9: but wildfire has actually been increasing in this country.

42:20 Speaker 14: So even the inter Governmental.

42:21 Speaker 9: Panel on Climate Change has been unable to conclusively detect

42:24 Speaker 9: changes in extreme weather and climate.

42:25 Speaker 1: Event frequency and intensity.

42:27 Speaker 14: However, saying that we are not in fact in a climate.

42:30 Speaker 9: Crisis has hair received the mainstream media in the global

42:33 Speaker 9: science community.

42:35 Speaker 15: This is a.

42:36 Speaker 13: Situation with UAP, but in reverse.

42:39 Speaker 9: Ample evidence even congressional testimony attest to the scientific validity

42:43 Speaker 9: of UAP, but the response by members of the scientific

42:46 Speaker 9: community has.

42:47 Speaker 14: Been either a to bury their heads in the sand.

42:50 Speaker 9: Or b to make baseless mockery of the courageous contrarians

42:54 Speaker 9: line Professor Lowe.

42:55 Speaker 1: Who seek the truth. Why is it sod well? The

42:59 Speaker 1: reason is.

43:00 Speaker 9: Partially due to overclassification and a deliberate decades long disinformation

43:06 Speaker 9: campaign by the US Department of Defense and intelligence community.

43:10 Speaker 9: Unlike climate change, UAP and a non human intelligence which

43:13 Speaker 9: control them very.

43:14 Speaker 1: Well could be an existential threat.

43:16 Speaker 9: As our moderator Louel Aisando who eloquently described in his

43:19 Speaker 9: book aptly named Imminet, the scientific community needs to wake

43:23 Speaker 9: up to the raality of UP, which represents the most

43:25 Speaker 9: monument development since the concurrent in Revolution.

43:29 Speaker 14: Consider the extraordinary report.

43:31 Speaker 9: I received this weekend when a former US Navy Sage

43:35 Speaker 9: sixty helicopter Krushe, who was embarked on the interior USS

43:41 Speaker 9: Dwight D.

43:41 Speaker 14: Eisenhower in twenty twenty one, described to me his reporting

43:45 Speaker 14: on poorlooking infrared video.

43:47 Speaker 9: Of a metallic sphere at an altitude a few hundred

43:51 Speaker 9: feet above the stift, traveling along a linear trajectory horizontal

43:55 Speaker 9: DIZ service before accelerated into the horizon, and incredible speed.

44:00 Speaker 9: This varied completely upon landing. He discussed this with some

44:05 Speaker 9: of the pilots and the other air group before transferring

44:08 Speaker 9: the flur footage to the carrier's intelligence officer. Moreover, this

44:13 Speaker 9: was not an isolated event for the Eisenhewer story group

44:15 Speaker 9: during that deployment saw many many instances of UAP.

44:19 Speaker 14: Primarily fateens, frequently encountering.

44:22 Speaker 9: Them at high altitude, and this topic was widely discussed

44:28 Speaker 9: by the air wing during the entire deployment, and later

44:32 Speaker 9: fellow air crew members of this scrucie from another squadron

44:37 Speaker 9: deployed on.

44:37 Speaker 1: Board the USS Gerald R Ford and shared similar experiences.

44:42 Speaker 9: The crewchie also informed that the secret laptops in their

44:45 Speaker 9: reading room provided access to a share drive where numerous

44:48 Speaker 9: strict be signings.

44:49 Speaker 3: On flair were archived.

44:51 Speaker 9: They stored these videos on fuller named range Fowlers.

44:55 Speaker 3: He liked the Bryan.

44:58 Speaker 13: And his commanding officer and save.

45:00 Speaker 9: Yeah, sir, we're aware of these is, but there was

45:02 Speaker 9: an unspoken understanding not to discuss them openly in the

45:05 Speaker 9: ready room. I've spoken to others state there's still in

45:08 Speaker 9: active duty, and their citing as UNP have become so

45:10 Speaker 9: numerous that they already sensitized to the phenomenon. My point

45:14 Speaker 9: being that the Navy possesses a trope of video evidence

45:16 Speaker 9: and data regarding UAP, and I see no reason why

45:20 Speaker 9: flour footage of UAP and Navy training ranges cannot be

45:23 Speaker 9: classified and shared the scientific community.

45:26 Speaker 13: With open access to more data like this, we.

45:28 Speaker 14: Can transform every institution of higher education.

45:32 Speaker 9: By establishing a Galileo project within their astronomy and as

45:35 Speaker 9: for physics departments, a sole foundation within their biomedicine humanities

45:39 Speaker 9: programs and archived with the Impossible and their religious studies.

45:42 Speaker 3: And philosophy curricula.

45:44 Speaker 9: To close, I point out that last month at the

45:47 Speaker 9: Endless Frontiers conference in Austin, the President Science Advisor Michael

45:50 Speaker 9: Prasio's committed the Trump administration to creating a Golden Age

45:54 Speaker 9: and American innovation. I am convinced that UAP research cannot

45:58 Speaker 9: only support this, but accelerated in ways beyond our imagination.

46:04 Speaker 9: The time to destroy the stigma associated with UAP is now.

46:08 Speaker 9: I asked House Oversight Committee and other members of Progress

46:11 Speaker 9: to demand the d O, d O, d DHS and

46:14 Speaker 9: NASA at least more UAP data for open science.

46:18 Speaker 3: Like all in the White House to include u.

46:19 Speaker 14: AP research is twenty twenty five r D Priorities memo.

46:24 Speaker 1: Thank you all, Thanks very much. I work.

46:31 Speaker 5: I will.

46:35 Speaker 4: Go to get to our first question here and it

46:38 Speaker 4: is not scripted, and it is to my former colleague,

46:42 Speaker 4: doctor Eric Takes.

46:47 Speaker 1: I know you heard care how I ask a specific question. Well,

46:52 Speaker 1: mister Golden, good to see you. As always, it's not

46:55 Speaker 1: going doctor Davis. I I know your background and I

47:02 Speaker 1: know your work, UH in our former.

47:04 Speaker 4: Program they based airspace threat an edification program. I also

47:09 Speaker 4: known to some degree some the history and first hand

47:12 Speaker 4: experience you have in UAP. I believe that this committee,

47:17 Speaker 4: UH and the student member of Congress and the American

47:20 Speaker 4: public would love to hear to the degree you're able.

47:24 Speaker 1: To discuss it. That direct access you had. For those

47:28 Speaker 1: who don't know, doctor Davis was and I'll let him

47:31 Speaker 1: an answer.

47:32 Speaker 3: This was it was submitted into into into the.

47:35 Speaker 4: Matter of record for Congress a couple of years ago.

47:38 Speaker 4: The Melissa Davis know uh, it was alleged that he

47:41 Speaker 4: was the author of it. And if you don't know

47:45 Speaker 4: what that is, I encourage you to look it up.

47:47 Speaker 4: And as Pidton entered as a matter of color record

47:50 Speaker 4: in the congressional record, and is exchange significant.

47:55 Speaker 1: This is the man I don't say he did or

47:58 Speaker 1: he did about that.

47:59 Speaker 4: Hidn't tell you the author that potentially and furthermore, I

48:04 Speaker 4: now has had an involvement in the UA program specifically

48:08 Speaker 4: from a crash with people perspective now, maybe mindful.

48:11 Speaker 1: Here doc das bb air flows for security classification.

48:14 Speaker 4: But you might share to be re or comfortable with

48:17 Speaker 4: your involvement with information with any depressed reprovals and.

48:23 Speaker 1: And your serious another good quote, and I've been I'm

48:32 Speaker 1: an astro businessist. And also maybe what we would Mark

48:36 Speaker 1: do on sit now said Nico. We bring through propulsion businesses.

48:39 Speaker 5: We want to bring in propulsion together from nineteen ninety

48:42 Speaker 5: sixty two thousand and two, and then we continued after

48:44 Speaker 5: that to develop a book that we publishing. It had

48:47 Speaker 5: definitely impress in two thousand and nine Branchers of Propulsion science.

48:50 Speaker 5: So my background is in advanced the space interstellar space flight,

48:55 Speaker 5: mostly a Bastard might.

48:56 Speaker 1: Compulsion or the use of generativity.

48:58 Speaker 5: They're a quantum builder as well as advanced up were

49:01 Speaker 5: propulsionally were fission and new Weir fusion and the Inner

49:06 Speaker 5: Chief propulsion, which I worked on as a principal investigator

49:08 Speaker 5: for the Air Force Research Labuage of words AIRCO Space.

49:11 Speaker 1: So I've got client round background and I began I've

49:14 Speaker 1: worked in starting to win Humanity six Robert bigele Hire

49:20 Speaker 1: being worker in as.

49:21 Speaker 5: His director g of Space Physics and Astrophysics at the

49:24 Speaker 5: National Institute for Discovery Science. And that was a that

49:28 Speaker 5: was a pretty transformative job for you because as a

49:31 Speaker 5: physical science as I'm seeing for the first time live

49:34 Speaker 5: phenomenal I'm investigating and using forensic science techniques in the field,

49:39 Speaker 5: interviewing what was collecting data.

49:41 Speaker 1: And I had my team of colleagues on the staff

49:45 Speaker 1: that I went Fossil PhD.

49:47 Speaker 5: And we had a little lot of Science Advisory Board,

49:49 Speaker 5: which my Horner boss in Austin helped was on. Was

49:55 Speaker 5: on the board of it was on that Science Avisory board.

49:57 Speaker 5: It was the last chairman of that board.

49:59 Speaker 1: Actually.

50:00 Speaker 5: We also had follow fourteen astronaut Adventure one for a

50:03 Speaker 5: short time follow seventeen year espernant Jack Schmidt, and we.

50:08 Speaker 1: Had many.

50:10 Speaker 5: Academicians and former CIA national intelligence officers, social psychologists, psychologists,

50:18 Speaker 5: medical doctors and nuclear engineers and the list goes on.

50:23 Speaker 3: We had chocolding.

50:24 Speaker 1: Primarily as well.

50:26 Speaker 5: So it was a really transformative because I grew up

50:30 Speaker 5: in the sixties and seventies and I became really with

50:33 Speaker 5: Carl Sagan.

50:34 Speaker 1: Carl Sagan and a strongly.

50:36 Speaker 5: Important page Colanthory a book called UFOs and Scientific Debate

50:40 Speaker 5: which was published.

50:41 Speaker 1: By the Triple As Press.

50:44 Speaker 5: The Triple As is the American Association for the Investment

50:47 Speaker 5: of Science and Science is their prestigious children that they published,

50:51 Speaker 5: and so that was a precision publication. Every chapter was

50:55 Speaker 5: authored by experts in the field in academia. We have

50:58 Speaker 5: studied webfos and some ang London. From a scientific data standpoint,

51:04 Speaker 5: data that was collected, data that was analyzed, and so

51:07 Speaker 5: they presented it in published able for a desire reason.

51:10 Speaker 5: In nineteen days, Carl Sagan had this wonderful stronomy show

51:15 Speaker 5: called Cosmos and the companion book for that.

51:19 Speaker 1: And once I minded that he changed one.

51:23 Speaker 5: Hundred and eighty degrees, he all of a sudden went

51:25 Speaker 5: from being UFOs.

51:27 Speaker 1: We have in this book that I coodered, are co

51:30 Speaker 1: edited with Thornton.

51:31 Speaker 5: Page all of this wonderful data that's been collected that's

51:35 Speaker 5: not explainable due to conventional astronomical weather for benning explanations

51:41 Speaker 5: or events or object I'm now calling it pseudoscience. It's

51:46 Speaker 5: French science. People are mistaken. Pilots have port vision. Military

51:52 Speaker 5: pilots especially and I've heard that from Leonard David, who's

51:55 Speaker 5: aerospace engineering aviation s based exploration writer, and people like

52:02 Speaker 5: here have said that our military pilots, especially the wings

52:05 Speaker 5: at the US students during its accountants of the TikTok

52:08 Speaker 5: you be back in two thousand war. Oh, yes, those

52:12 Speaker 5: pilots have poor vision. They're flying what twenty million dollars

52:17 Speaker 5: fighter aircraft?

52:20 Speaker 11: They have poor vision?

52:21 Speaker 5: How did they get through the naval aviation program and

52:24 Speaker 5: in school and port vision? Doctor James to you could

52:28 Speaker 5: you will every lit on your again to the degree

52:32 Speaker 5: inter County.

52:32 Speaker 8: Oh.

52:33 Speaker 5: So it was a transformative issue for me or for

52:38 Speaker 5: a job. It transformed my world view. It opened up

52:42 Speaker 5: my worldview to a lot more possibilities in what I

52:45 Speaker 5: was used to thinking as a trained PhD physicist. I

52:48 Speaker 5: earned my dog who angst for physics at the University

52:50 Speaker 5: of Theresia any and so I worked on through space

52:54 Speaker 5: missions in graduate school. I ask which is the U

52:57 Speaker 5: Great Astronoumal satellite program and two way tradmissions to GATI.

53:02 Speaker 1: So is pretinuing to the topic that lou was been

53:05 Speaker 1: talking about. I'm not trying to way up there and

53:10 Speaker 1: this is a sensitive subject.

53:13 Speaker 5: So it's due to astronaut Ed Minchell, doctor Ed Minchell,

53:18 Speaker 5: captain US and retired because of him, and I won't

53:21 Speaker 5: go into a long story, but.

53:22 Speaker 1: It's because of him that I got on the trail

53:25 Speaker 1: looking for the so called.

53:28 Speaker 5: Legend within the UFO community of the retrieval of craft

53:33 Speaker 5: or landed UAP craft or ento craft has any known

53:36 Speaker 5: back in those days, and by the way UAP the

53:38 Speaker 5: term and identified aero phenomenon goes back to the nineteen forties.

53:41 Speaker 1: Even so.

53:44 Speaker 5: I followed this trail and I ended up over the

53:48 Speaker 5: course of the following two and a half decades working

53:52 Speaker 5: for Big Level, working for the Air Force Research Lab,

53:55 Speaker 5: working for help and offer er Tech International, Incorporated, and

54:00 Speaker 5: then working at the Eurospace Corporation.

54:02 Speaker 1: So we're working in a.

54:04 Speaker 5: Combination of the industry and classified programs that we were

54:08 Speaker 5: contracted to do. I'm back for the Defense Intelligence Agency

54:13 Speaker 5: and for the Pentagon agencies that Low worked out, and

54:16 Speaker 5: the UAP task force that chased Ratton led at the

54:20 Speaker 5: opposite of naval intelligence. And so a long story short

54:25 Speaker 5: is that I came into contact.

54:27 Speaker 1: With industry leads technical scientists, both active duty.

54:32 Speaker 5: And later retired as both intelligence officers, generals, animals, kernels,

54:37 Speaker 5: people who directed intelligence or human intelligence collection and analysis,

54:42 Speaker 5: directors of the DIA and the Central Intelligence Agency who

54:46 Speaker 5: reached out to me to have me do some foreign

54:49 Speaker 5: UAP intelligence analysism and assessment. And so I had been

54:55 Speaker 5: exposed to so much of the classified grow that I

54:57 Speaker 5: can tell you definitively that.

55:00 Speaker 1: There is and they're there the human race.

55:04 Speaker 5: Basically, the world biggest governments like the United States, our

55:08 Speaker 5: adversary to China and Russias as far as I know,

55:11 Speaker 5: have had the occasion to recover craft that of either

55:16 Speaker 5: lander or crash from vote in their territory or even

55:20 Speaker 5: outside of their territories, and have taken those back to

55:23 Speaker 5: the most sensitive programs that they've ever had.

55:27 Speaker 1: These programs are even more sensitive and.

55:30 Speaker 5: More hidden than men had products or or the modern

55:34 Speaker 5: good women's industry and the US military and the Department

55:38 Speaker 5: of Energy programs to maintain and upgrade and and modernize

55:42 Speaker 5: or new glue women's arsenal.

55:44 Speaker 1: And so this is one of the This is one

55:47 Speaker 1: of the most well hidden programs. It is hidden from progressional.

55:50 Speaker 5: Oversight and always hasn't been and it was hidden by

55:53 Speaker 5: the action of the President Eisenhower, who instituted Presidential Emergency

55:57 Speaker 5: Action Directives during his administration. These directors are not sharing

56:02 Speaker 5: in Congress. They were classified and when the Freedom and

56:05 Speaker 5: Information Act was instituted in the seventies, and it's not

56:09 Speaker 5: subjectives are not subjective to the Freedom and.

56:11 Speaker 1: Information Act request.

56:14 Speaker 5: These directives provide cover for actions that are associated with

56:20 Speaker 5: the with the retrieval of these vehicles and the and

56:24 Speaker 5: the scientific and engineering study of them, and that takes

56:27 Speaker 5: place within the industry. What happens is the Department of

56:31 Speaker 5: defense offices CIA offices, they create showing companies. They give

56:37 Speaker 5: a soul source contract to the show company, who pass

56:39 Speaker 5: the money to a selected group of defense industry firms,

56:44 Speaker 5: and those firms will take that contract money and turn

56:47 Speaker 5: them around.

56:48 Speaker 1: And I use that as internal fanies all internal.

56:52 Speaker 5: Research and development class which they give to their own

56:54 Speaker 5: people in cider come to their own ways to do

56:57 Speaker 5: the ververs engineering. And this is the study of these

57:01 Speaker 5: recovered feelings. And so this weighs all congressional oversight. It

57:06 Speaker 5: voted the game maybe, and it's one of the most

57:10 Speaker 5: techniques use to hide it. And as far as I know,

57:12 Speaker 5: only went the worst star in general and one did

57:15 Speaker 5: three start out of the rap will locate these programs

57:18 Speaker 5: and and.

57:20 Speaker 1: That's about as much as I can say.

57:21 Speaker 5: They located the programs, uh and they uncovered them, went

57:25 Speaker 5: and got a lot of resistance, same hostile reception and

57:28 Speaker 5: was told that he found who he was looking when

57:33 Speaker 5: they were they were suspected being yesterday were a E

57:36 Speaker 5: went b e ap plat pass agree in reverse the

57:39 Speaker 5: gay program. The other one I had a lot more

57:42 Speaker 5: political power behind him because of his staff. He was

57:44 Speaker 5: a four star general and he was able to get

57:47 Speaker 5: into the program and use his authority and his access.

57:51 Speaker 1: I think they call that a super user.

57:55 Speaker 5: The super user have access to all her specialized of

57:59 Speaker 5: access programs. So he had his capability deal with and

58:02 Speaker 5: at that moment I was fortunate to meet Dave Bresh

58:05 Speaker 5: at the host of Jay Stratton. Dave was a row

58:09 Speaker 5: of liaison officer to the wap cast force and Dave

58:12 Speaker 5: was working for his boss.

58:13 Speaker 1: At the row which was situated in the second course.

58:17 Speaker 5: Gifts Eurospace Corporation building called around of Springs, and I

58:21 Speaker 5: was assigned to work at the euro Space Corporation facility

58:24 Speaker 5: in Housville on the Mantlet because I was supporting assets

58:26 Speaker 5: based in very promotion from man office. So Ja, Dave

58:31 Speaker 5: and Dave's boss and I'm together and I briefed them

58:35 Speaker 5: for two and a half days just a week before

58:37 Speaker 5: could instruct and Gaine took all of my classified and

58:42 Speaker 5: proprietary information at all the investigations I did and it's

58:45 Speaker 5: a nbrow and working for helping up attempt and he

58:49 Speaker 5: took that data and around with it. And what you

58:51 Speaker 5: now know the actor manilted that is he has classified

58:54 Speaker 5: whistle world and coming to.

58:56 Speaker 1: The ig of the IC and there is an area there.

59:01 Speaker 5: We have had this program going on and various guys

59:04 Speaker 5: as various code names. The code names changed roughly every

59:07 Speaker 5: three years. They often shipped around to the major office

59:11 Speaker 5: and programmatic new organizations were Presidential administration, presidential administration.

59:17 Speaker 1: And maybe every five to ten years in some days.

59:19 Speaker 1: And so these things are very old.

59:22 Speaker 5: I've been coming they buy, but they're still around. And

59:25 Speaker 5: the gnomenty that's been involved, I would say since the

59:28 Speaker 5: beginning of nineteen twenty four, with the first recovery of

59:32 Speaker 5: Tony of a US Arms recovery of the craft that

59:35 Speaker 5: crashed in Italy back in nineteen thirty three in the

59:38 Speaker 5: United States already even in bad in Italy and pushed

59:41 Speaker 5: the third right out.

59:42 Speaker 1: They were able to recover that craft and bring them

59:44 Speaker 1: back to right Arefael and all of.

59:46 Speaker 5: The crash refreedels that are taking place generally on why

59:49 Speaker 5: have gone to right airfield. The majority of the crash

59:52 Speaker 5: refreedels or recoveries of whatever situation was take place in

59:56 Speaker 5: the maritime or whatever, and I'm not sure where that

59:59 Speaker 5: is going on. Probably also wondered what were in those

1:00:02 Speaker 5: days wright infield. I don't know whether it's being today though,

1:00:04 Speaker 5: because I've only worked on the legacy history of this

1:00:07 Speaker 5: apartment up until about the early twenty ten and it

1:00:12 Speaker 5: was since the end of the odd style and the

1:00:15 Speaker 5: A tip.

1:00:15 Speaker 1: I don't know where that those operations are for in

1:00:19 Speaker 1: ear these days. So I think that's about it. A little.

1:00:27 Speaker 5: Acquires the question I'm always asked, and I'll just say this,

1:00:30 Speaker 5: eployees less King and rock women, they'll ask me this.

1:00:34 Speaker 5: For an interview I gave them in July and twenty

1:00:37 Speaker 5: twenty or minew York Times our game that they published,

1:00:39 Speaker 5: they interviewed Blue and Senate former Senate.

1:00:43 Speaker 1: Majority or Harry Reid. I think Harry was already retired day,

1:00:46 Speaker 1: wasn't he? Yeah?

1:00:48 Speaker 5: Okay, so I said, basically, my interface with the leadership

1:00:52 Speaker 5: in the industry, which were a number of individuals, is

1:00:56 Speaker 5: the bottle they're proud that have been recovered. Are not serve,

1:01:00 Speaker 5: They're not made by human jeers.

1:01:02 Speaker 1: They are not from this planet. They're human. They are.

1:01:06 Speaker 1: And amy and technology whatever the word means, are the

1:01:10 Speaker 1: extra trust room. We don't know. We don't know what

1:01:13 Speaker 1: bots do they have.

1:01:14 Speaker 5: Well, we need anthropologists and social psychologists and glossters to

1:01:18 Speaker 5: figure that out and they haven't communicated that to us. Yeah,

1:01:22 Speaker 5: so this is like meeting and I they we cannot

1:01:25 Speaker 5: answer questions like motive. We just need to take data

1:01:27 Speaker 5: we call adventurements and signals, intelligence and the intelligence distr

1:01:31 Speaker 5: And obvi, I see one thousand or said, because we

1:01:34 Speaker 5: need him to do what he needs to do.

1:01:36 Speaker 1: UAPx is another group up from the University of Vomiting

1:01:39 Speaker 1: and you all even work they're doing that as well.

1:01:42 Speaker 5: And there are other groups out there building up their

1:01:44 Speaker 5: own sensors view to try and scam this guide full

1:01:48 Speaker 5: time twenty four sudden to look or something outside and

1:01:51 Speaker 5: definitely not.

1:01:52 Speaker 13: Whether they're definitely not in aircraft, definitely not.

1:01:54 Speaker 1: How the kids love quite hockey? Well, thank you got

1:01:59 Speaker 1: for David.

1:02:00 Speaker 4: Is my recommendation with you at some point here if

1:02:02 Speaker 4: you get to the classified setting US and the rest

1:02:04 Speaker 4: of us had you'd already done that before, and have

1:02:07 Speaker 4: a friend of conversation with some of the representatives who

1:02:09 Speaker 4: I think would be very interested to hear the other

1:02:13 Speaker 4: part of the conversations I'm aware I have been part of.

1:02:19 Speaker 16: With that said, before we go on to than real

1:02:22 Speaker 16: quick Repnick for sorry, okay forgetting me Baggage Rep.

1:02:31 Speaker 4: Nick Baggage, who arrived here just about too long ago.

1:02:35 Speaker 4: So thank you for very much from Alabama from.

1:02:38 Speaker 17: Ask so my home, says Monsus Lancy instead of whoever

1:02:49 Speaker 17: this looking, so.

1:02:53 Speaker 1: Thank you sir for being here, as also.

1:02:55 Speaker 18: AC industry, as far as the National Westman who direct

1:03:00 Speaker 18: this to Adam Dat. So only a few three percent

1:03:05 Speaker 18: of the seed form has been matched.

1:03:08 Speaker 1: In high resolution.

1:03:09 Speaker 18: In fact, somehow stimulated that we have no even what

1:03:12 Speaker 18: about the service of our own moon than the depths

1:03:15 Speaker 18: of our nootious one of a concrete mapping him paints

1:03:21 Speaker 18: autonomous who lies deep c sumars or kumber observatories with

1:03:27 Speaker 18: researchers the best chance of detecting under se UAP activity.

1:03:32 Speaker 4: Up to this point we've been discussing about the stuff

1:03:36 Speaker 4: we've seen in our skies and possibly space, But the

1:03:38 Speaker 4: one thing we've neglected are those observations of UAP that

1:03:43 Speaker 4: are under water. And this kind of goes to the

1:03:46 Speaker 4: whole trained medium and characteristic that we're seeing that some

1:03:49 Speaker 4: of the CHAP can display. Particularly as a former baby

1:03:52 Speaker 4: man and member of Noah, what what advice could you

1:03:58 Speaker 4: offer there?

1:04:00 Speaker 9: So that's a great question, and in fact I would

1:04:03 Speaker 9: advise us to continue what we started in Trump's first administration.

1:04:06 Speaker 1: And what we did is we got him to sign.

1:04:08 Speaker 9: The President and Financial Memorandum on Mapping the US Aclusive

1:04:12 Speaker 9: Economic Zone, and that directed the establishment of a strategy

1:04:16 Speaker 9: of plan, the National Strategy, a plan and a council

1:04:19 Speaker 9: and ears council to contribute to the effort. And so

1:04:22 Speaker 9: in the we did this in twenty twenty and in

1:04:25 Speaker 9: the five years since, we've been able to go from

1:04:28 Speaker 9: having forty percent of our easy map to fifty percent.

1:04:32 Speaker 9: And it involves not only using shift from sonar, but

1:04:35 Speaker 9: also exploring a water column with deep diving remote they

1:04:38 Speaker 9: operated vehicles, swarms of drums. Underwater drones eased to one

1:04:42 Speaker 9: hundred and twenty in the Navy, and that fleet's growing,

1:04:45 Speaker 9: and Noah has a pretty sizable fleet of underwater and

1:04:49 Speaker 9: surface drones, and they partner with the private sector and

1:04:52 Speaker 9: that has a bast capability as well. So I'd say,

1:04:55 Speaker 9: we really want to expand the work that's already occurring

1:04:59 Speaker 9: with then the government and the private sector and target

1:05:02 Speaker 9: it because.

1:05:03 Speaker 14: Most of it is targeted towards ocean science, and that's great,

1:05:06 Speaker 14: but if.

1:05:06 Speaker 1: We open the aperture a bit and include UAP as.

1:05:09 Speaker 3: A research target. I think we'll learn a.

1:05:11 Speaker 13: Lot more about the phenomena as well as the ooshan.

1:05:16 Speaker 1: Thank you very much. The next question we have is

1:05:20 Speaker 1: is here towards doctor I love here and my.

1:05:24 Speaker 4: Question for you, sir, is what is your recommendation for

1:05:29 Speaker 4: the new generation of scientists who want to enter into

1:05:33 Speaker 4: this field of study? But I don't know exactly where

1:05:36 Speaker 4: to begin.

1:05:38 Speaker 8: Yes, I actually gave up with the senior members of

1:05:41 Speaker 8: our community where I have the brave bull the generation

1:05:46 Speaker 8: of approach. You do not getny bias people's sciences, all

1:05:50 Speaker 8: of all the eavy vents and curiosity and west.

1:05:54 Speaker 3: That when we become the bas in the rooms, so

1:05:57 Speaker 3: we'll be gotten. And in fact, I was asked to

1:06:01 Speaker 3: establish at a low.

1:06:02 Speaker 19: Servatory stem cell cannabis that we'll be built in Indiana,

1:06:08 Speaker 19: and I'm very excited about that because those high high

1:06:11 Speaker 19: school students.

1:06:12 Speaker 3: And pleasuring scientists would be unbiased.

1:06:18 Speaker 8: They would look at the data and try to figure

1:06:20 Speaker 8: it out. That's the way science would be done. And

1:06:23 Speaker 8: very often if you assume something, if you say there

1:06:26 Speaker 8: is nothing out there and you are not looking that, obviously,

1:06:29 Speaker 8: that's a self fulfilling prophecy. So I very much hope

1:06:33 Speaker 8: that the young generation will approached the subjects without any

1:06:36 Speaker 8: speak about, without any prejudice, without any biased because it's

1:06:41 Speaker 8: of great interest to national security, and even if it

1:06:47 Speaker 8: has nothing to do with what lies outside the solar system.

1:06:50 Speaker 3: We need to figure it out. Maybe other nations have

1:06:54 Speaker 3: technologies that we are not aware of, and if we

1:07:00 Speaker 3: do find something from outside the solar system, it's the

1:07:02 Speaker 3: biggest discovery ever made in science. It will change our

1:07:08 Speaker 3: perception and our place. In the university. I had a

1:07:12 Speaker 3: big proof of religious people that came and then they.

1:07:19 Speaker 8: Belong to Christianity today an organization, and they asked me

1:07:22 Speaker 8: what could be the implications to religion, and I said, well,

1:07:25 Speaker 8: I have two daughters, and when the second one was born,

1:07:28 Speaker 8: I didn't lose any of my love and the first one.

1:07:32 Speaker 8: So imagine that God can only attend to one. Civilization

1:07:35 Speaker 8: is very limited, and I think, in fact, you know,

1:07:40 Speaker 8: it would be enriching to realize that we have similies.

1:07:44 Speaker 8: We might be jealous if they're more advanced than we are,

1:07:46 Speaker 8: maybe they get more attention, but.

1:07:51 Speaker 3: You know, that's exciting. We may get the inspiration from

1:07:55 Speaker 3: finding something better than us.

1:07:57 Speaker 8: So why is it that academia the mainstream is shining

1:08:01 Speaker 8: away from this partly because.

1:08:03 Speaker 3: That probably cares so much about it.

1:08:07 Speaker 8: And you know, there are lots of statements that are

1:08:11 Speaker 8: not correct being made by people who have no evidence.

1:08:14 Speaker 3: But that would not be the reason to avoid this subject.

1:08:18 Speaker 8: We should study the young people, I think have the

1:08:22 Speaker 8: ability to figure it out.

1:08:25 Speaker 3: If we have the resources. I don't give you to

1:08:27 Speaker 3: the research we figure it out.

1:08:29 Speaker 11: We have that with men.

1:08:30 Speaker 3: It's much more exciting than figuring out what dark matter is.

1:08:35 Speaker 8: Whether there are microbes on extra planets, which probably exists

1:08:40 Speaker 8: in any warm water environment similar to the Earth.

1:08:43 Speaker 3: I'm willing to bet that our micropes, but that don't

1:08:48 Speaker 3: cares much about that.

1:08:49 Speaker 8: I really want to find things that are better than

1:08:52 Speaker 8: us so that we can get better. We can improve ourselves,

1:08:55 Speaker 8: and the young generation of do it for us if

1:08:59 Speaker 8: we want. Are located the respourses, if we don't block

1:09:02 Speaker 8: them because they are gate keepers, you know, use this

1:09:05 Speaker 8: technique of not funding such research, ridiculing it. And even

1:09:12 Speaker 8: when I went on the expedition, people said, oh, he

1:09:16 Speaker 8: would not find anything, Oh he went to the wrong place.

1:09:20 Speaker 8: We don't believe the best government data from the biggest

1:09:23 Speaker 8: space command. And my suggestion is just to ignore the

1:09:29 Speaker 8: Nazers because they are going.

1:09:36 Speaker 1: Okay, all right, level more industry.

1:09:42 Speaker 4: Quite one of represents a very short of Character's a

1:09:44 Speaker 4: question we want to ask her in her questions question,

1:09:48 Speaker 4: was your doctor dings or gings? We have discussion at

1:09:52 Speaker 4: length in certain settings in the form of additional seventy

1:09:56 Speaker 4: department or we're talking about its material.

1:09:58 Speaker 1: I think it might be very harpful.

1:10:00 Speaker 4: You can please explain what is what makes exotic material

1:10:06 Speaker 4: that has been recovered from the US governments exotic?

1:10:10 Speaker 5: What makes it different from atomic lee and cub It's actually.

1:10:16 Speaker 1: Very simple answer. It's the way as fabricated. It's the

1:10:19 Speaker 1: way as fabricated. That's what makes it anxiety.

1:10:21 Speaker 5: It's not a new element that's never been discovered and

1:10:25 Speaker 5: placed on the periodic table.

1:10:27 Speaker 1: Elements one of them. The materials are in the periodic tables.

1:10:31 Speaker 5: There are either radio activising jobs that we already know,

1:10:35 Speaker 5: or they're any gather or non redu out none denied

1:10:38 Speaker 5: albums on the table.

1:10:39 Speaker 1: It's just the combination of the materials as unusual.

1:10:43 Speaker 20: Uh.

1:10:43 Speaker 1: It could be that you could say that that's exotic.

1:10:46 Speaker 5: But it's the composition is how you build the crowd,

1:10:50 Speaker 5: the materials that form the ground.

1:10:52 Speaker 1: And everything inside the crowd.

1:10:53 Speaker 5: It's it's quite exotic because one of the companies leadership

1:10:58 Speaker 5: was a young.

1:10:59 Speaker 1: Material site is when he graduated with his doctorate in journal.

1:11:02 Speaker 5: Science from one of the university one of the universities

1:11:07 Speaker 5: in Ilumois back in nineteen seventy and he was hired

1:11:09 Speaker 5: by being.

1:11:10 Speaker 1: Rich when work with him a team that scopelooks that was.

1:11:13 Speaker 5: The advanced prost aged developing agency I think is what

1:11:17 Speaker 5: blocking aircraft we called it back in those days.

1:11:20 Speaker 1: So basically this is what he was telling me.

1:11:25 Speaker 5: He's an advanced in journal scientist and he said, well,

1:11:28 Speaker 5: we didn't use the best diagnostic equipment we had back

1:11:31 Speaker 5: in those days, which was the sixties, seventies, eighties, and nineties,

1:11:35 Speaker 5: and we could see the elements through mask maskatroscopy that

1:11:43 Speaker 5: compose the structure, but when we look at how they're

1:11:47 Speaker 5: composed in structure, it's like nothing we've been able to

1:11:51 Speaker 5: backlicate it or we've never been able to reproduce over

1:11:54 Speaker 5: and we had no extrapolated engineering or physics technology.

1:11:59 Speaker 1: To tell us informans.

1:12:00 Speaker 5: I am how can possibly want not that with the disorder,

1:12:04 Speaker 5: so they they understood that it's a combination of the elements.

1:12:07 Speaker 1: Was very unusual.

1:12:09 Speaker 5: Uh, it was count intuitive, but it's the way the

1:12:12 Speaker 5: materials are fabricated.

1:12:13 Speaker 1: That's what basic as. Thanks, thanks you very much, sir.

1:12:18 Speaker 1: Next question is gonna go.

1:12:21 Speaker 3: Yeah, so thank you for you guys for coming today.

1:12:23 Speaker 3: I have to get going, but I am charging for

1:12:25 Speaker 3: a listen and er chet.

1:12:27 Speaker 21: To be here and continue on while I am not here,

1:12:31 Speaker 21: I will say that I mean the stuff that you

1:12:34 Speaker 21: guys evolved told us today by Lewis, and I.

1:12:38 Speaker 3: Think you know going on record is even more important.

1:12:40 Speaker 21: So you're gonna invite you back to all FEO types

1:12:42 Speaker 21: of At some point, I've got to head up.

1:12:45 Speaker 1: And thank you so much for your time, for your

1:12:46 Speaker 1: step and we'll be about that. Thank you, thank you.

1:12:55 Speaker 22: Okay, So the next question is going to to Uh,

1:12:57 Speaker 22: I haven't got you now, I've got a lot. Almost

1:13:00 Speaker 22: two questions were obviously I'm going to get to them all.

1:13:01 Speaker 22: We have to try to stay out the tracks. Was

1:13:03 Speaker 22: probably gonna be my last question for this and maybe.

1:13:05 Speaker 1: Go on all day when we've got two other handles.

1:13:08 Speaker 1: We got to get it through and there's going to

1:13:10 Speaker 1: be some new information for you.

1:13:12 Speaker 4: Last question, where the brain had a guy you meet,

1:13:15 Speaker 4: I know that you were pretty to the incidents in

1:13:18 Speaker 4: regarding the USS and Roosevelts. In fact, there's another distinguished

1:13:22 Speaker 4: guests we have with us here today.

1:13:24 Speaker 16: Ryan Graves, whom was a pilot who has been very

1:13:27 Speaker 16: helpful in forming Congress about some.

1:13:29 Speaker 1: Of the air safety issues because he himself is utcome

1:13:32 Speaker 1: of the clubs and personal with one of these objects,

1:13:35 Speaker 1: whatever they are.

1:13:36 Speaker 23: Could you please provide a re synopsis on your experience

1:13:40 Speaker 23: and more important and what was the reaction by certain

1:13:44 Speaker 23: elements within the Department of Defense and some of your

1:13:47 Speaker 23: frustration that you experienced regarding that reporting.

1:13:50 Speaker 1: That's how the report is.

1:13:52 Speaker 13: Thanks living, Yes, I'd be glad to say this. At

1:13:54 Speaker 13: the time of the Roosevelt UAP sidings.

1:13:57 Speaker 1: I was one stone animals are like gold and da the.

1:13:59 Speaker 9: Year alotno sharkers, and I had Aeronover's mats on the

1:14:03 Speaker 9: ship doing the weather forecast, and as the chief neurologist

1:14:06 Speaker 9: the Navy, my responsibility was safety applied one of my

1:14:09 Speaker 9: main resplexibilities. And at the time I received an email

1:14:13 Speaker 9: on the Navy's Classifying System sever system, and it was

1:14:16 Speaker 9: addressed to every subordinate under a command called Plea Forces Command,

1:14:20 Speaker 9: the four Star command that I had reported to, and

1:14:22 Speaker 9: that the commander of the Theater Roosevelt Strike Group reported to, as.

1:14:26 Speaker 1: Well as several other units.

1:14:28 Speaker 9: And attached to the email was the go Fast video

1:14:31 Speaker 9: that he's seen now has been declassified and released to

1:14:34 Speaker 9: the public. And the email title was Urgent Safety Apply

1:14:38 Speaker 9: issue and all capital letters, and it came from the

1:14:42 Speaker 9: operations officer at Flea Forces to Command asking if any

1:14:44 Speaker 9: of the recipients of the email knew what these were

1:14:48 Speaker 9: these UAP because they were having numerous near mid air

1:14:51 Speaker 9: collisions as Ryan Grads saw firsthand his FIST Squadron MAS

1:14:56 Speaker 9: and and then the next day that email was wiped

1:14:59 Speaker 9: from my computer and no one talked about it in

1:15:02 Speaker 9: any subsequent meetings of Flee Forces Command. And this was

1:15:05 Speaker 9: very unusual because the primary job of Flee Forces Command

1:15:08 Speaker 9: is to prepare Navy units to deploy, like the Theodre

1:15:11 Speaker 9: Roosevelt Strike Group, and that exercise was a critical pre

1:15:14 Speaker 9: deployment requirement to get pilot.

1:15:17 Speaker 3: Certified to land on the flight data.

1:15:19 Speaker 9: And so not talking about EMERGENC safety applied to, for example,

1:15:23 Speaker 9: the UAP that split a section of aircraft. You don't

1:15:26 Speaker 9: want anything to get within a mile of Ann eighteen

1:15:28 Speaker 9: when it's operating, so that they didn't talk about it,

1:15:31 Speaker 9: that was covered up didn't sit well on me. And

1:15:34 Speaker 9: that's the reason I have come out today and or

1:15:37 Speaker 9: really for the past few years to talk about this

1:15:40 Speaker 9: and make sure we support all these reasons to acknowledge

1:15:45 Speaker 9: and be more transparent about UAP activity and data. And

1:15:49 Speaker 9: that's why I'm on the advisory board of Bryan's Americance

1:15:52 Speaker 9: or State Aerospace, and we've been advocating for the FAA

1:15:54 Speaker 9: to institute a system of reporting with standards to get

1:15:59 Speaker 9: more information out there to support safety, apply and science.

1:16:04 Speaker 4: Nice I'm okay give a question by Representative Borlson go

1:16:09 Speaker 4: as Forcers.

1:16:10 Speaker 20: Yeah, thank you, mis Davis, But I wanted to ask

1:16:13 Speaker 20: for you where this panels over, what are wholesome threads here?

1:16:20 Speaker 20: What is your understanding of the physics or likely for

1:16:24 Speaker 20: apulship technology, What is your assessment of what the capabilities

1:16:30 Speaker 20: are and how it's being achieved.

1:16:34 Speaker 1: And then also what I want to ask about materials

1:16:38 Speaker 1: and enerview as well. You can always expect late. These

1:16:43 Speaker 1: things are so far in advanced we can.

1:16:46 Speaker 5: Only speculate the best speculation I can come up with

1:16:49 Speaker 5: this general relative.

1:16:50 Speaker 1: He does a great job for.

1:16:51 Speaker 5: You've given something like a work bubble. Uh, you do

1:16:54 Speaker 5: exhibit the phenomenon of sub light work lessons light speed

1:16:59 Speaker 5: work bubbles. However, that's becomes a challenge when you're talking

1:17:04 Speaker 5: about who may be that time into the ocean and

1:17:07 Speaker 5: climb up that in them of the ocean and in

1:17:09 Speaker 5: the area.

1:17:10 Speaker 1: So work it's not working space time, that's work in

1:17:13 Speaker 1: space time.

1:17:14 Speaker 15: But if that's described how Swinstein general very yeah, and

1:17:18 Speaker 15: so the problem is it doesn't work space time, that's right, right, yeah,

1:17:23 Speaker 15: So so then.

1:17:25 Speaker 11: These objects are changing space time around them.

1:17:29 Speaker 1: Yeah.

1:17:30 Speaker 5: They you know, a then shell energy and the type

1:17:33 Speaker 5: of version of house to be would have to be

1:17:35 Speaker 5: negative energy density, and it would be consistent with the

1:17:38 Speaker 5: type of energy.

1:17:38 Speaker 1: Unisity that you can create. And working back and examples

1:17:43 Speaker 1: a bat of the cast in your falty, there's a

1:17:45 Speaker 1: little vacuum region that's bound by the two plates in

1:17:51 Speaker 1: the cavity.

1:17:52 Speaker 20: Uh.

1:17:52 Speaker 1: There's also squeeze LANs squeeze states.

1:17:54 Speaker 5: Of white where that's the way you're being where you're

1:17:56 Speaker 5: going to take some part of canonical uh noise fluctuations

1:18:02 Speaker 5: for abound that part of the being you're not interested in,

1:18:04 Speaker 5: and pile it up elsewhere in the face space.

1:18:08 Speaker 1: And this is getting really technical, so I'll just kind

1:18:12 Speaker 1: of keep it this way.

1:18:13 Speaker 5: You're gonna take the plumb vacum fluctuation that we know

1:18:16 Speaker 5: as plumb noise, world shot noise and lasers. Bet you're

1:18:19 Speaker 5: gonna pile it out of somewhere else in an area you're.

1:18:21 Speaker 1: Not interested measuring. And you all want to measure the

1:18:23 Speaker 1: amplitude of that being. At that point, when you take

1:18:26 Speaker 1: the plumb bacum fluctuations out of that.

1:18:27 Speaker 5: Amplitude, that energy density does negative. And the energy density

1:18:32 Speaker 5: is the square.

1:18:32 Speaker 1: The ample two.

1:18:33 Speaker 5: So that goes negative, and that's an example of negative energy.

1:18:38 Speaker 5: The mass of the urine creates space time energy. Oh

1:18:42 Speaker 5: I was gonna say, so that's FaceTime curvature, which when

1:18:45 Speaker 5: you feel is the poison dragging on the surface of

1:18:47 Speaker 5: the Earth drags down the plant vacuum flecture fluctuations of

1:18:51 Speaker 5: the plum fields that are put in space near near

1:18:54 Speaker 5: the Earth and the facility of the Earth, and that

1:18:57 Speaker 5: energy doesn't have to be native and so this.

1:19:00 Speaker 3: Is one example.

1:19:01 Speaker 5: They're ready to be predictive astronomical sources the negative energy

1:19:05 Speaker 5: as well as plat energy. So that's what you need

1:19:09 Speaker 5: to build and work up, and that's what you need

1:19:11 Speaker 5: to build a constructive show.

1:19:14 Speaker 3: Just a brief comment of arification.

1:19:16 Speaker 8: We have two pillars of modern business, quantum mechanics and uninstanced.

1:19:22 Speaker 3: Her gravity, which is current from space time. We don't

1:19:26 Speaker 3: have reliable hearing that mons we're hearing is speculation.

1:19:35 Speaker 8: We do not have the knowledge to figure out if

1:19:38 Speaker 8: you can create from spacetime out of negative egis because

1:19:43 Speaker 8: we have never mustered.

1:19:46 Speaker 3: We don't have an understanding of that. So it's possible that.

1:19:49 Speaker 8: You know, an millennium from now, we'll have those quantum

1:19:52 Speaker 8: gravity engineers. You know that's possible. Currently we just you know,

1:19:56 Speaker 8: we're just like premiantly technology. You can figure it out.

1:20:01 Speaker 8: The question is is there something in position of government

1:20:07 Speaker 8: The scientist would look at boom and you know, I'm

1:20:11 Speaker 8: to have government figure it out because you may guide

1:20:13 Speaker 8: us about the theory of quant.

1:20:15 Speaker 5: More So, we have the ideas about these space and

1:20:19 Speaker 5: we can speculate that or what the best approached to

1:20:22 Speaker 5: take to go to work Bubble or the show Big Energy.

1:20:26 Speaker 5: Have to create a jurist world actually short that US

1:20:29 Speaker 5: based by to the two digital pas. But we have

1:20:33 Speaker 5: we have to craft in our possession. There are no

1:20:36 Speaker 5: physicists we're gonna be working in those programs. So basically

1:20:39 Speaker 5: mechanical aerodynamics, aerospace thorough control and cheer, electronic electrical engineers

1:20:44 Speaker 5: and material scientists and material science is a part of

1:20:47 Speaker 5: the engineering off usual kind of over lapsed chdustry as well.

1:20:51 Speaker 5: And they've never had a physicist like here, or they've

1:20:55 Speaker 5: never had an applied physicist or an experimental physicist, and

1:20:58 Speaker 5: so they are really lacking and ability understand.

1:21:03 Speaker 4: Certainly, legacy programs have been very insulated and insult so

1:21:06 Speaker 4: unfortunately it's it's a bit of a figured my approach,

1:21:10 Speaker 4: a little bit of an accessors community. There's not a

1:21:13 Speaker 4: whole lot of outside involvement because it is so highly classified,

1:21:17 Speaker 4: and that's been some of the frustration and I think

1:21:20 Speaker 4: challenges technologically speaking, because we haven't been able to recently

1:21:23 Speaker 4: apply new talent. You won't use new theories to what

1:21:28 Speaker 4: maybe what the US goverment may be in possession.

1:21:31 Speaker 5: Of, what about the energy potention, the energy is a

1:21:36 Speaker 5: question of autonomous we're.

1:21:38 Speaker 1: Seeing right, Yeah, I haven't been able to access that.

1:21:42 Speaker 4: Dr Davis, Can you talk for a moment, sorry about

1:21:44 Speaker 4: the Nymensis and the calculations for the object to go

1:21:47 Speaker 4: eighty thousand feet within less than a second and fifty

1:21:51 Speaker 4: feet over the water.

1:21:52 Speaker 5: What type of energy we pott hundreds of times the

1:21:56 Speaker 5: total energy produced in the United States. And that's the

1:22:01 Speaker 5: kind of energy that is representative of the observed features

1:22:05 Speaker 5: and performances of UAP.

1:22:08 Speaker 1: Prapped, especially the TI TAK that they.

1:22:09 Speaker 5: Need encounter member of two thousand four and so tires

1:22:13 Speaker 5: and hundreds of times the United States produces and a

1:22:17 Speaker 5: life every mon talent and so that that compares really

1:22:22 Speaker 5: well with its still a spacecraft that would travel relativist,

1:22:27 Speaker 5: cultural relativistic, cultural relativist to be anywhere from ninety eight

1:22:32 Speaker 5: may nine percent speed, Like the energy is disastronomically huge.

1:22:36 Speaker 5: So this craft I have not been I don't have

1:22:41 Speaker 5: the security clearances I need to to get accent to

1:22:44 Speaker 5: the technical detail that I have made to understand that

1:22:46 Speaker 5: the craft are consistent in size with the tit TAC,

1:22:50 Speaker 5: even double one size of the TIC TAC that would

1:22:53 Speaker 5: be able to about one hundred feet on my fifty

1:22:56 Speaker 5: feet diameters of that type murmerang Kraft erb Jam Kraft

1:23:02 Speaker 5: run He shape craft.

1:23:03 Speaker 1: And so forth. The biggest ones that.

1:23:05 Speaker 5: Had been observed, especially that in the investigating a NS

1:23:07 Speaker 5: in nineteen on nine involved Scott in the work space.

1:23:10 Speaker 5: That one was a six hundred foot long crop and

1:23:13 Speaker 5: it was about Berkeley a hoop few tall. And so

1:23:17 Speaker 5: they don't have the session of craft like that. I've

1:23:19 Speaker 5: even been told that it's youthfully need the more manscale

1:23:23 Speaker 5: they could. Yeah that so we might have been yeah,

1:23:27 Speaker 5: so uh so we can only speculate. I know Jim

1:23:32 Speaker 5: Caaski wrote in his book, I wrote the time when

1:23:36 Speaker 5: of it. But anyway it was got call Calip worked

1:23:39 Speaker 5: with that Niche and Georgiana Okay only STV and looks

1:23:43 Speaker 5: famous and so Jim mentioned and Jim was the program

1:23:46 Speaker 5: manager for the.

1:23:47 Speaker 1: ADS at the ash W a P type it was

1:23:54 Speaker 1: and h and so.

1:23:56 Speaker 24: Basically he described in his book somebody I don't know

1:23:59 Speaker 24: if it his hair because he never I think he

1:24:01 Speaker 24: said was him when inside of these craft that he

1:24:05 Speaker 24: got access to, and they recognize any propulsion or how

1:24:09 Speaker 24: devices or systems inside the craft.

1:24:12 Speaker 1: It was completely unusual trials.

1:24:14 Speaker 5: Taylor and I have expective MATD that possibly they're teleport

1:24:16 Speaker 5: the energy from a remote distant location where the energy

1:24:19 Speaker 5: is produced is still according to the draft, and that's

1:24:22 Speaker 5: how the craft can move around with that how many

1:24:24 Speaker 5: carryvelment or general or an advanced work drive in general,

1:24:30 Speaker 5: that's one possibility doesn't speculated on the material.

1:24:34 Speaker 20: So whether you have anything is carbon can take multiple forms, right,

1:24:40 Speaker 20: And are you saying that that is the same with

1:24:42 Speaker 20: other material other elements.

1:24:45 Speaker 1: The way in which fully found is different forms.

1:24:49 Speaker 5: Of these elements that ali is there any different combinations

1:24:53 Speaker 5: of the elements.

1:24:56 Speaker 1: As well? Correct?

1:24:58 Speaker 5: So you're you're you're going to add a variety of

1:25:01 Speaker 5: But whatever structural part of this that came out from

1:25:04 Speaker 5: the n A P.

1:25:04 Speaker 1: I don't know what because it was I didn't have

1:25:06 Speaker 1: this uh way that acknowledge.

1:25:08 Speaker 25: Lapiss not only have g S so I the stip

1:25:12 Speaker 25: I was warned that there would be combinations of boloins

1:25:15 Speaker 25: from the periodic table, combinations of their isotopes, So you

1:25:18 Speaker 25: have variety developments as a nationally or some isotopes, so

1:25:22 Speaker 25: they're mixed together in a certain way.

1:25:24 Speaker 5: I mean they're structurally built in very unusually right that

1:25:28 Speaker 5: even thing we have no equivalent, we're going on to them.

1:25:32 Speaker 5: So these were these This isn't about as much as.

1:25:34 Speaker 1: I was information in s C. Do you have or

1:25:38 Speaker 1: can you comments on whatever species have been piloting these craft?

1:25:47 Speaker 1: How are they large? Are they are they multiple species?

1:25:52 Speaker 1: Are they are like? What was their size and how

1:25:55 Speaker 1: they usually on a craft? They're typically the multiple species

1:25:59 Speaker 1: people through.

1:26:00 Speaker 5: Would be grazed and were people were talking about retilions

1:26:04 Speaker 5: and insectuis.

1:26:04 Speaker 1: Is not that they're reptilian insectuaries, is that they are

1:26:07 Speaker 1: presentable to the presentiment of utile or an insect title

1:26:12 Speaker 1: human because they have this a head and foremoons and.

1:26:17 Speaker 5: Torso so large small human science, humans, game and happening

1:26:25 Speaker 5: career well, well, the grays i'n pamiliar went from investing

1:26:30 Speaker 5: the crashing prolea which is miss misnamed the crash and

1:26:35 Speaker 5: rosspel it's not the passion Rospel's the fashion those were

1:26:39 Speaker 5: praisals were both of the tall and the enormics are

1:26:43 Speaker 5: typically human sized propably I for five six feet tall

1:26:49 Speaker 5: and saying with the people who miss labeled reptilion and

1:26:53 Speaker 5: insect with they're roughly that top time too.

1:26:56 Speaker 1: I haven't occurred anything about anything seven grade m that

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