Congressman Eric Burlison on UAPs, Disclosure, and Humanity’s Cosmic Future

0:12 Speaker 1: Good evening and welcome to a special live edition of

0:16 Speaker 1: Total Disclosure. My NAME'SI, and tonight we're joined by a

0:21 Speaker 1: sitting US Congressman who has been at the forefront of

0:25 Speaker 1: one of the most pressing and controversial topics in modern

0:28 Speaker 1: American politics UFOs, national security, and the long road to disclosure.

0:35 Speaker 1: At a time when the public is demanding answers in

0:38 Speaker 1: Congress is being met with resistance from within its own government,

0:42 Speaker 1: we ask why the silence. Joining me tonight is Representative

0:46 Speaker 1: Eric Burlson of Missouri, a member of the House Oversight

0:50 Speaker 1: and Accountability Committee and someone who is unafraid to speak

0:54 Speaker 1: plainly about the stakes involved, from the implications of UAP's

0:59 Speaker 1: Nears nuclear facilities to a UAP disclosure acts vanishing teeth. Tonight,

1:06 Speaker 1: we're going to get into it at all. This isn't

1:09 Speaker 1: about little green men. This is about transparency, security, and

1:13 Speaker 1: the uncomfortable truth that something is happening and the people

1:17 Speaker 1: deserve to know. Congressman Burlison, thank you for being here.

1:29 Speaker 1: So let's let's dive right in. My friend. It's so

1:32 Speaker 1: good to have you back.

1:34 Speaker 2: Good to be back. I.

1:36 Speaker 1: You have been on quite the quite the tour lately,

1:40 Speaker 1: I must say, and it's been I don't know whether

1:44 Speaker 1: it's refreshing or if it's you know, a little bit scary.

1:52 Speaker 1: How much you've been doing. I kind of want to

1:55 Speaker 1: just jump right into it. I heard, and there's a

1:59 Speaker 1: reason I'm charting with this. I heard through the grape

2:02 Speaker 1: vine that you recently had a UFO experience.

2:08 Speaker 2: That's not true.

2:09 Speaker 1: That's not true.

2:11 Speaker 3: No, that's not true. You know, I wish that I had,

2:14 Speaker 3: and then I could kind of find some definitive into

2:19 Speaker 3: this search. But no, that's not that's the Internet. That's

2:24 Speaker 3: somebody posting something in social media jumping to a conclusion

2:29 Speaker 3: that's not true.

2:30 Speaker 1: Really, I am. I wonder why I brought this up first.

2:35 Speaker 1: I wonder why so so yeah, I mean I saw

2:40 Speaker 1: that you recently sat down with like people like Chris Bledsoe.

2:44 Speaker 1: You've been, you've been, Uh, you went down and saw

2:48 Speaker 1: the Nasca mummies with doctor Greer all that stuff. I mean,

2:53 Speaker 1: did you guys do any skywatches or anything like that

2:56 Speaker 1: and get into it, because I know Chris loves that stuff.

3:00 Speaker 2: So I'll tell you the story. So I didn't know Chris.

3:05 Speaker 3: Some other people reached out and said that he was

3:07 Speaker 3: in town that evening and I that was on a Thursday,

3:11 Speaker 3: I believe last Thursday. And and I said, yeah, if

3:16 Speaker 3: you if you guys are free for dinner, we'll go

3:18 Speaker 3: have dinner. I bought everybody's dinner then. And then at

3:23 Speaker 3: the end of they just you know, Chris shared his story.

3:26 Speaker 3: I just point blank said, hey, if I go, where,

3:30 Speaker 3: where do you Because he said that he.

3:32 Speaker 2: Can call in u a P.

3:34 Speaker 3: I said where, like what locations the desert, over ponds

3:38 Speaker 3: or lakes or you know, can you do it in

3:42 Speaker 3: a city? He basically said anywhere and everywhere. And I said,

3:45 Speaker 3: let's do it tonight. And he took me up on it.

3:49 Speaker 3: So we went out literally to the Capitol mall and

3:54 Speaker 3: he attempted to do it. And I mean, I don't

3:57 Speaker 3: even I couldn't even tell you what he was doing.

3:59 Speaker 3: He's just like, it's nothing different. He didn't act like

4:02 Speaker 3: a different person or anything. It's not like you're going

4:04 Speaker 3: to do a trance or anything. But and about you know,

4:10 Speaker 3: there's at some point, after after being there for quite

4:13 Speaker 3: some time, I said, all right, I'm ready to go

4:16 Speaker 3: to bed. And so nothing, nothing had.

4:20 Speaker 1: Happened, I know, And and let's I just want to

4:24 Speaker 1: make it clear that I had done my research and

4:28 Speaker 1: I had known that to be the case, but I

4:29 Speaker 1: brought it up for a reason, Uh, not to diminish Chris.

4:32 Speaker 1: I love Chris. I introduced him at Contact in the Desert.

4:37 Speaker 1: He did a SkyWatch there where people said they saw things,

4:41 Speaker 1: some others said they didn't. So it's it's it's I

4:46 Speaker 1: think it's kind of hit or mints. And I feel

4:48 Speaker 1: like since we've had our last talk, you've been exposed

4:52 Speaker 1: to so many more people in the community, and you're

4:55 Speaker 1: starting to kind of kind of see where things go.

4:59 Speaker 2: Right. Yeah, you're You're right, tyy.

5:01 Speaker 3: When I first came into this, there's so many names

5:04 Speaker 3: and groups and people that I just I was like

5:07 Speaker 3: drinking from a fire hose. Now I've gotten to get

5:10 Speaker 3: a little bit of a flavor and understanding of all

5:12 Speaker 3: the players and the and the you know, the more

5:15 Speaker 3: that I'm delving into this, the more that you can

5:18 Speaker 3: kind of figure things out.

5:20 Speaker 1: Right. Uh, So I want to start, uh like legitimately start.

5:27 Speaker 1: I was just kind of playing with you to open

5:30 Speaker 1: it up banter, but listen, big news obviously, Uh, you

5:36 Speaker 1: had said I think you would come out of us

5:39 Speaker 1: a skiff, and you had said that, Uh, the next

5:42 Speaker 1: hearings that are going to be now held in September,

5:47 Speaker 1: I think is the date that we're eyeing firsthand witnesses.

5:53 Speaker 1: Can you speak a little bit about that and the

5:55 Speaker 1: process of going from witnesses like Ryan Graves David g

6:00 Speaker 1: h to potential firsthand witnesses and who they may be.

6:05 Speaker 3: I'm not going to disclose who they may be, but

6:09 Speaker 3: and I believe that that Anna Polina Luna is the.

6:11 Speaker 2: One that that disclosed that.

6:14 Speaker 3: But my my team is responsible for trying to get

6:17 Speaker 3: those witnesses. We made it clear from meetings with you know,

6:21 Speaker 3: with her and with the Oversight task Force, that we

6:25 Speaker 3: that was our goal was to try to get firsthand witnesses.

6:27 Speaker 3: We're and so the next hearing that's is to attempt

6:34 Speaker 3: to do that.

6:37 Speaker 1: And how is there any been any challenges? Because it

6:41 Speaker 1: sounds like the reason the hearings were delayed in the

6:45 Speaker 1: first place is because people walking out coming in back.

6:52 Speaker 2: That's right. We keep having people that.

6:56 Speaker 3: Claim to have you know, and I'm sure I don't

6:59 Speaker 3: I'm not doubting their stories, but but then when we

7:04 Speaker 3: get them to we can't get a lot of people

7:07 Speaker 3: to agree to come in even do a public hearing. Ironically,

7:12 Speaker 3: some of the people that we've talked to said that

7:15 Speaker 3: they're done talking in a skiff, that they won't.

7:17 Speaker 2: Go back and do a skiff, that they only want

7:19 Speaker 2: to do a public hearing.

7:21 Speaker 3: And yet when we ask them to come to the

7:22 Speaker 3: public hearing, they won't come to the public hearing.

7:25 Speaker 2: And so it's it is extremely frustrating.

7:28 Speaker 1: That's going to be bizarre, right because you know it

7:34 Speaker 1: and again it raises that same question like, hey, that

7:40 Speaker 1: that seems really sketchy, like and you know, it seems

7:43 Speaker 1: like a lot of these people are seemingly all talk,

7:46 Speaker 1: no game. They won't they won't, they won't get in

7:49 Speaker 1: front of you guys in an open hearing.

7:52 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm going to give them, give them a chance.

7:56 Speaker 3: And but we'll see.

7:57 Speaker 2: I think that.

8:00 Speaker 3: David reached out to him full of people, So there's

8:05 Speaker 3: gonna be some we will have witnesses. There's there's a

8:09 Speaker 3: couple of witnesses that I was really wanting. We're having

8:13 Speaker 3: a hard time getting those two.

8:15 Speaker 1: Yeah, and and and if I can just throw some

8:17 Speaker 1: names at you real quick, like I would think about

8:20 Speaker 1: and this is just me spitballing. Of course you don't.

8:22 Speaker 1: You don't have to, you know, hear it, if you don't.

8:25 Speaker 2: Want to, if I can keep my poker face, yeah.

8:28 Speaker 1: Keep your poker face on if you if you must.

8:30 Speaker 1: But guys like doctor Lakatski, I'd be eyeing someone like him,

8:37 Speaker 1: I'd be eyeing uh Eric Davis, I'd be uh Tom

8:44 Speaker 1: Admiral Wilson, Uh, Gary Nolan Uh. And you know, a

8:49 Speaker 1: real big thing I've been focusing on lately is I'll

8:52 Speaker 1: probably start looking at some of the nuclear witnesses because

8:55 Speaker 1: they're getting up there in age, and you know, they

8:58 Speaker 1: I think they have a lot to say, and I

9:01 Speaker 1: wanted to start, well, not to start, but continue the

9:05 Speaker 1: conversation with that that connection, the nuclear connection. Have you

9:11 Speaker 1: been looking into that connection and some of these cases

9:15 Speaker 1: that have been around for quite a while.

9:18 Speaker 3: Yeah, it does appear that there's more activity, or at

9:22 Speaker 3: least more reportings near nuclear facilities.

9:26 Speaker 2: Now.

9:26 Speaker 3: That may be because there's a lot of eyes on

9:29 Speaker 3: this guy in there, right, So there's a.

9:30 Speaker 1: Lot of.

9:32 Speaker 3: Security, there's a lot of cameras that are looking for

9:36 Speaker 3: things and people. Obviously it's not like I mean, more

9:41 Speaker 3: and more people spend time indoors at night. They don't

9:45 Speaker 3: spend out time outside time outside looking up into the stars.

9:50 Speaker 2: But I think it.

9:52 Speaker 3: Appears that I mean, and it may be a correlation

9:56 Speaker 3: that there is more activity at nuclear site, or it

10:01 Speaker 3: just may be just a coincidence and the fact that

10:05 Speaker 3: more more eyeballs are looking up.

10:09 Speaker 2: There's also a.

10:10 Speaker 3: Lot more activity, it seems, over water, m from anything

10:15 Speaker 3: from like a cow pond or like a like a

10:17 Speaker 3: small pond to the ocean obviously, so it does appear

10:23 Speaker 3: that there's a lot of reported activity above water.

10:26 Speaker 1: I would agree. I would agree both of those of

10:29 Speaker 1: our two of the connection. That's the biggest thing for

10:32 Speaker 1: me is us like the USOS and the nuclear connection,

10:37 Speaker 1: because I think there are those are among the two

10:41 Speaker 1: most solid connections and like dots that we can cross, right,

10:46 Speaker 1: and it just seems that there's something going on there.

10:49 Speaker 1: And if we took it a little bit more serious

10:52 Speaker 1: and you know, didn't stigmatize the people that because one

10:55 Speaker 1: of the problems is people don't want to come forward

10:57 Speaker 1: because they really don't want to get scrutinized, and like

11:01 Speaker 1: what would happened with Grush, they're pulling out his uh,

11:04 Speaker 1: his records is is calling him, you know, a looney uhh,

11:10 Speaker 1: a crazy person just because you know, PTSD from from

11:15 Speaker 1: being in a war and seeing his best friend die,

11:17 Speaker 1: Like that's crazy.

11:19 Speaker 2: Mm hmmm. Yeah.

11:20 Speaker 3: Again, it's it's sad that they have to start coming

11:24 Speaker 3: forward means that people are going to come through your

11:27 Speaker 3: or try to get access to your medical records just

11:29 Speaker 3: to disprove you. That's that's that's really a unsettling thing

11:34 Speaker 3: and kind of puts a chill, chilling effect on anybody

11:38 Speaker 3: that might consider coming forward.

11:40 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you actually hinted, you hinted in our last

11:43 Speaker 1: conversation that hiring Grush might have been a way kind

11:50 Speaker 1: of around this little obstacle course that you were you

11:54 Speaker 1: were running. You've since done that, So how did that work?

11:57 Speaker 1: And and is he able to now enter skiffs with you?

12:02 Speaker 1: And like what's the level of clearance there.

12:05 Speaker 3: Yeah, we're still trying to get his clearance to increase

12:10 Speaker 3: to the TSSCI level. He's not he's not able to

12:15 Speaker 3: come into a lot of the briefings. He's able to

12:17 Speaker 3: come in at a certain level, but not very much,

12:20 Speaker 3: very high, not the levels that we need. So that's

12:23 Speaker 3: a lot of paperwork and we need. We need, you know,

12:27 Speaker 3: the proper agencies to approve that. We're still waiting on that,

12:32 Speaker 3: but I would say that in general, he's been extremely

12:37 Speaker 3: extremely valuable to myself to be to giving me the proper,

12:43 Speaker 3: you know, places to go. He's been very helpful and

12:46 Speaker 3: kind of reaching out to people, kind of tracking down,

12:50 Speaker 3: you know, whatever things that we need to do.

12:53 Speaker 2: It's been it's been.

12:55 Speaker 3: Very worthwhile, absolutely worthwhile, and and so I'm it was

13:00 Speaker 3: one of the best decisions that I've made.

13:02 Speaker 1: I think, so I really do. And I was super

13:06 Speaker 1: happy to hear that you that you had done that

13:09 Speaker 1: and and taken that step because again, you know, a

13:12 Speaker 1: lot of com and I don't want to I'm not

13:14 Speaker 1: disparaging any members of Congress, but I think there's a

13:17 Speaker 1: lot of talk, but there's not a lot of like

13:21 Speaker 1: backing it up when and you seem to just be

13:24 Speaker 1: like your word is what we can take you on.

13:27 Speaker 1: And you're always very honest and open. And that's what

13:30 Speaker 1: I really like about you and why I why I

13:34 Speaker 1: like conversing with you because you're always honest and I

13:37 Speaker 1: really do appreciate that.

13:38 Speaker 3: So I mean, yeah, well, this this topic is fascinating.

13:43 Speaker 3: Look and I'm still at a place where I'm I'm

13:46 Speaker 3: a skeptic and and trying to approach this from a

13:50 Speaker 3: from a skeptics perspective a lot. So so far, what

13:55 Speaker 3: I can tell you is I've only had secondhand accounts

13:59 Speaker 3: told me I've never seen anything.

14:01 Speaker 2: Personally. I've seen a lot of.

14:03 Speaker 3: Fuzzy, blurry photos and videos of objects. Nothing that just

14:10 Speaker 3: absolutely is groundbreakingly clear and and and and overwhelming to me.

14:19 Speaker 3: So a lot of blurry photos, a lot of a

14:21 Speaker 3: lot of blurry videos. Yeah, second hand information I have

14:26 Speaker 3: as you as you referred, I went down to try

14:28 Speaker 3: to see firsthand because I was offered an opportunity to

14:31 Speaker 3: see firsthand the Booga sphere and the and the mummies.

14:37 Speaker 1: How was that?

14:38 Speaker 2: That was a that was a trip?

14:40 Speaker 1: It was Yeah, since you brought it up, I wasn't

14:45 Speaker 1: really gonna go here too too soon. But what prompted

14:50 Speaker 1: that trip? How do you end up there doing that

14:54 Speaker 1: with like guys like doctor Greer And I got to

14:57 Speaker 1: ask if you've I mean follow up question as well.

15:03 Speaker 3: Yeah, So there was an individual who was connected to

15:08 Speaker 3: me through a mutual friend. He was going down to

15:11 Speaker 3: film this. Uh, these you know scientists that are connected

15:16 Speaker 3: to NASA. They do work for NASA. They were contracted

15:21 Speaker 3: to go and take samples and this documentary crew is

15:25 Speaker 3: going to film that. They they said, invited me to come.

15:29 Speaker 2: I had to. Obviously it was my own expenses. I couldn't.

15:32 Speaker 3: I can't accept any of that. So went down there

15:36 Speaker 3: and yeah, Matt Jimi Masson, who is a wonderful individual,

15:42 Speaker 3: very very kind, very sweet person, very funny, and doctor

15:48 Speaker 3: Greer was there as well, and so we I took

15:54 Speaker 3: with me one of my good friends, Tim Albarino, who

15:58 Speaker 3: wrote the book called Birthright, Yes, who studies this phenomenon

16:04 Speaker 3: and and is really kind of more like he comes

16:07 Speaker 3: from an archaeological perspective, like an He really kind of

16:10 Speaker 3: studies like.

16:11 Speaker 2: The ancient alien.

16:12 Speaker 3: Yeah, but he is conversive with the Spanish culture.

16:18 Speaker 2: He lived in Peru for for a.

16:21 Speaker 3: Long time and you know, and and did a lot

16:25 Speaker 3: of work in Peru, so he knows those the culture

16:28 Speaker 3: there and those the origin of those of what those

16:31 Speaker 3: mummies are. So having him be there was was actually

16:36 Speaker 3: extremely valuable and helpful.

16:39 Speaker 1: So what is your take on So what did you think, like,

16:43 Speaker 1: not maybe maybe we could start with the bugisphere, but

16:47 Speaker 1: the mummies are the what actually kind of piqued my interest,

16:51 Speaker 1: and in a good way. I really do think there's

16:53 Speaker 1: there might be it's either the most elaborate, expensive hoax

17:00 Speaker 1: ever or it's legitimate. But with the Buga spear, that's

17:05 Speaker 1: I don't know what I'm waiting.

17:08 Speaker 3: To hear back from what those scientists come up with

17:13 Speaker 3: or what what their results are.

17:15 Speaker 2: But I would say, just if you asked.

17:17 Speaker 3: Me, without having any kind of in any results to

17:21 Speaker 3: verify it, I would say it did not impress upon

17:24 Speaker 3: me that that was that the spear was created by

17:28 Speaker 3: some like ultra advanced civilization. Yeah, it looks it's very interesting.

17:35 Speaker 3: It's it's got yeah, I mean it's it's got a

17:40 Speaker 3: lot of interesting markings on it. The markings themselves do

17:44 Speaker 3: not appear to be symmetrical, and so it seems it

17:49 Speaker 3: just it seems handmade. And so if you so, that's

17:54 Speaker 3: that's my view of the spear.

17:57 Speaker 2: I do.

17:58 Speaker 3: I mean that the individuals that found it, I got

18:01 Speaker 3: to meet them. They're from Columbia, and they told their story.

18:06 Speaker 3: There's another gentleman who had filmed a after this the Buga.

18:12 Speaker 2: Sphere had been found.

18:13 Speaker 3: There was another gentleman that filmed another sphere right, very similar,

18:18 Speaker 3: about thirty miles away in a different region.

18:22 Speaker 2: And so it's.

18:25 Speaker 3: They have interesting compelling stories. I just I'm saying, if

18:29 Speaker 3: you just if you look, just look at this for

18:32 Speaker 3: what it is at this point in time, I wouldn't.

18:35 Speaker 3: I don't believe that it's convincing me that it is

18:39 Speaker 3: made by an alien. It's so it's so rudimentary that

18:44 Speaker 3: I said, look, if it, I'm willing to and and

18:47 Speaker 3: doctor Greer and others kind of had this conclusion as well,

18:51 Speaker 3: is that it we're gonna we want to carbon date

18:53 Speaker 3: the thing because if it is, if it's very ancient,

18:59 Speaker 3: then and it's then there's a different story there, right,

19:02 Speaker 3: So it could be that it was you know, that

19:06 Speaker 3: it's been laying dormant for for thousands of years, or

19:12 Speaker 3: what they're also testing on it is to see if

19:14 Speaker 3: it's the the metal originates from planet Earth, so they

19:19 Speaker 3: they're able to determine whether that metal was originating here

19:24 Speaker 3: or on you know, on a different planet. And so

19:27 Speaker 3: that will be fascinating if if those those come back

19:30 Speaker 3: with those.

19:32 Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, but I, like you, I was very

19:35 Speaker 1: very skeptical of it because I feel like when I

19:38 Speaker 1: looked at it, I was looking at the black like

19:41 Speaker 1: circles on it, and they looked like they were like

19:44 Speaker 1: a sharpie. But that was just my observation. I don't

19:47 Speaker 1: you got to see it a little bit more close up.

19:49 Speaker 3: No, I can say that there there's actually something there there.

19:54 Speaker 3: They are their holes in in this little ridge that

19:58 Speaker 3: goes around the all the way around. They are holes

20:02 Speaker 3: and they're kind of plugged with what, when you look

20:05 Speaker 3: under a microscope, appears to be.

20:08 Speaker 2: What they call fiber optics.

20:11 Speaker 3: Okay, and so they are that it is solid and

20:15 Speaker 3: it's dark, but when you look at it under a

20:17 Speaker 3: microscope you can see that there are even within one

20:20 Speaker 3: hole that there are dozens, if not, you know, more

20:26 Speaker 3: of these little bitty dots that are in a circular form.

20:31 Speaker 1: Okay, So I mean kind of interesting. And even if

20:36 Speaker 1: we found out that it was like some Lockeed, you know,

20:40 Speaker 1: because obviously I want to get to that in a

20:42 Speaker 1: few about arrow and all everything that's been coming out.

20:46 Speaker 1: But even if we found out that it was some

20:48 Speaker 1: like craft drone design out of North of gram and

20:53 Speaker 1: or Lockeed, like, that's still pretty I mean, look at that,

20:56 Speaker 1: it's a sphere. Spheres don't don't usually lift off and

21:00 Speaker 1: take take flight, So I mean it would be interesting

21:03 Speaker 1: pretty regard regardless if it was human or not of

21:09 Speaker 1: this earth, if you will. But pushing over to what

21:12 Speaker 1: I think is more interesting, the Nasca mummies. What did

21:15 Speaker 1: you think of those?

21:17 Speaker 3: Yeah, the mummies that we saw firsthand were fairly small,

21:21 Speaker 3: and and I've heard from a lot of people that

21:25 Speaker 3: the ones that are small are not there.

21:27 Speaker 2: They're replicas.

21:28 Speaker 3: They're not real, And just looking at them at first glance,

21:33 Speaker 3: they look so rigid, so almost they look like like

21:42 Speaker 3: I'm trying to like the I Joe that doesn't even

21:46 Speaker 3: have like elbows, right, have movable movable parts, it looks

21:52 Speaker 3: and so it just is hard to imagine these things

21:55 Speaker 3: living and operating at all. There's now what I've been told.

22:02 Speaker 3: And they did show us some of the scanned and

22:05 Speaker 3: CT scans of the larger mummies that are in Peru.

22:11 Speaker 1: Mmmm.

22:11 Speaker 3: And I'm and I'm gonna make it clear, I'm not

22:14 Speaker 3: saying that I believe this, but there are many that

22:18 Speaker 3: that doubted the little mummies that but that, but do

22:22 Speaker 3: believe that the larger ones are real because because of

22:26 Speaker 3: the intricacy of those. I was frustrated that I wasn't

22:30 Speaker 3: able to see those. I guess I'm gonna have to

22:31 Speaker 3: go to Peru.

22:32 Speaker 2: If I want to see those.

22:33 Speaker 1: Yeah, And and then there's like prouvying. Government's pretty weird

22:37 Speaker 1: about that whole thing. So that could be challenging as

22:42 Speaker 1: a sitting member of Congress to do, you know, And

22:46 Speaker 1: that's and that sucks, but it's okay. You've speculated that

22:51 Speaker 1: uh UAPs could be very ancient h or even a

22:55 Speaker 1: future race of us using advanced technology to traverse space time.

23:01 Speaker 1: A lot of these possibilities challenge our understanding of humanity's

23:05 Speaker 1: placed in the universe and what existential questions do they

23:09 Speaker 1: raise for you personally?

23:13 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think what has been consistent and kind of

23:18 Speaker 3: this what is you know, commonly talked about is that

23:23 Speaker 3: these what we're experiencing is not is not is not

23:28 Speaker 3: a being that's traveling here great distances across space time

23:33 Speaker 3: to get here.

23:34 Speaker 2: If anything, it's it would appear that.

23:36 Speaker 3: They have access to be able to bypass that through

23:39 Speaker 3: either warping space or they just exist in a different dimension.

23:45 Speaker 2: And so that's that's consistently what I'm hearing more and

23:49 Speaker 2: more from from people that are describing the phenomenon, and so.

23:55 Speaker 3: It's you know, look, and I would say if you,

23:59 Speaker 3: if you had to put it on a scale of

24:00 Speaker 3: what is plausible. That's why from the very first hearing

24:04 Speaker 3: I said, I really highly doubt that that little greed

24:09 Speaker 3: men are traveling light years, which would take an enormous

24:15 Speaker 3: amount of time and probably multiple generations of any form

24:18 Speaker 3: of life to get here, and then repeatedly come here

24:22 Speaker 3: and crash.

24:24 Speaker 2: It doesn't that's just implausible.

24:27 Speaker 3: But if you're telling me they don't have to travel here,

24:31 Speaker 3: they can just phase in from from their existence, and

24:34 Speaker 3: to them there is no such thing as distance. It

24:38 Speaker 3: just they can just they can pop in and out.

24:42 Speaker 3: That's a different story. And I do believe that that

24:46 Speaker 3: there are more dimensions than this, and I think that

24:49 Speaker 3: I think quantum physics, particularly when it comes to quantum entanglement,

24:55 Speaker 3: I think that that demonstrates that there absolutely is more

24:59 Speaker 3: to the existence than what we're you and I are

25:02 Speaker 3: living on today. And I say that because the fact

25:05 Speaker 3: that you can have two entangled particles, you can send

25:09 Speaker 3: one particle to the other end of the universe, and

25:12 Speaker 3: then when you when you measure one the other one

25:15 Speaker 3: changes instantaneously. There's nothing that traveled between them. There's nothing

25:20 Speaker 3: that that that you know, made a journey through space

25:24 Speaker 3: time to be able to make that communication. And so

25:28 Speaker 3: that that to me tells me that we are living

25:32 Speaker 3: on one dimension of our a dimension that is where

25:37 Speaker 3: there's more than what, more than what meets the eye.

25:41 Speaker 1: Yeah, I was just so in the studio yesterday, I

25:45 Speaker 1: had a gentleman. His name's Rizwan Verk and uh, you know,

25:49 Speaker 1: he's an m I. T Graduate and him and I

25:53 Speaker 1: were speaking about the same thing, the idea that the

25:58 Speaker 1: distance it would take from you know, because the main

26:00 Speaker 1: hypothesis for you know, the past fifty sixty years is

26:04 Speaker 1: the extraterrestrial hypothesis. But you know, if we are potentially

26:09 Speaker 1: living in some sort of simulation, it would explain not

26:14 Speaker 1: only things like deja vu or the Mandela effect, but

26:20 Speaker 1: it would also explain a lot of a lot of

26:24 Speaker 1: this UFO activity or the phenomena, because it could be

26:28 Speaker 1: the simulators or even part of the simulation, you know,

26:34 Speaker 1: kind of dropping like and maybe explain some of the crashes,

26:38 Speaker 1: you know.

26:38 Speaker 3: Uh.

26:38 Speaker 1: Diana Posoka her her contact at NASA, Tim Taylor. He

26:45 Speaker 1: spoke about UFO crashes as gifts, and she always questioned

26:50 Speaker 1: that gifts, what do you mean by gifts? And what

26:55 Speaker 1: if they are care packages from the simulator or God

26:59 Speaker 1: or whatever, the sky beings, whatever you want to call them,

27:03 Speaker 1: and it's meant to nudge us in a certain way.

27:06 Speaker 1: I mean, do you ever think about things like this?

27:12 Speaker 3: Not I don't often go in that direction, but I

27:15 Speaker 3: do love This is not the first time someone has

27:18 Speaker 3: brought this up to me, as is proposed.

27:20 Speaker 1: To I don't. I really, I'm with you on the

27:23 Speaker 1: whole crash thing, Like either we've built weaponry that's bringing

27:26 Speaker 1: them down, which I think is highly unlikely but possible,

27:32 Speaker 1: versus this might be some sort of simulation and they're

27:38 Speaker 1: potentially you know, guiding and running like advanced scenarios for

27:47 Speaker 1: future outcomes. I mean, we do it right now.

27:52 Speaker 2: Yeah, it very well could be.

27:54 Speaker 3: It could be that there's a the way that, for example,

27:57 Speaker 3: that we treat them any other animal on this planet.

28:02 Speaker 3: We kind of there's moments where we kind of intervene

28:05 Speaker 3: to make sure that like an endangered species is saved,

28:08 Speaker 3: or like a beached whale is saved. And I'm sure

28:11 Speaker 3: that to the whale, the experience of having humans interact

28:17 Speaker 3: with it is has got on land, has got to

28:19 Speaker 3: be extremely foreign.

28:21 Speaker 1: Yeah, and then he gets dropped back into the oce. Sorry,

28:23 Speaker 1: cut you off, Ah, got it. I'm so sorry. It's

28:27 Speaker 1: I'm getting more used to the in person episodes and

28:31 Speaker 1: the latency here is as people always gonna yell at me.

28:35 Speaker 1: But yeah, imagine the whale goes back to his whale

28:38 Speaker 1: buddies and he's like, dude, you're never gonna fucking You're

28:42 Speaker 1: never gonna guess what I happened to me today. I

28:45 Speaker 1: got pulled out of the water by these things with

28:49 Speaker 1: arms and they gueld you know, they're walking, They you know, puts,

28:54 Speaker 1: you know, injected me with something, then dropped me back

28:57 Speaker 1: into the ocean. And now I'm here telling you that

28:59 Speaker 1: would sound crazy to the other whales, but it's reality.

29:03 Speaker 1: It's it's reality, right, so.

29:06 Speaker 2: Right, you know, it just seems like that's that's one

29:11 Speaker 2: of the narratives, is that that these.

29:15 Speaker 3: These higher dimensional beings, if you will, that they're more

29:18 Speaker 3: like a caretaker looking after us and and making sure.

29:23 Speaker 3: But I mean, that's just that's one of the narratives.

29:26 Speaker 1: That's it's very much speculation as all of this usually

29:31 Speaker 1: is so going back to Arrow and and I mean

29:39 Speaker 1: some reporting that that came out recently that this, this

29:44 Speaker 1: whole phenomena is essentially boils down to UH an air

29:52 Speaker 1: Force hazing ritual or like a program. I'm sure you

30:00 Speaker 1: at the Wall Street Journal articles the whole thing being

30:03 Speaker 1: tied back to some Air Force hazing ritual for UH

30:06 Speaker 1: special access programs and UH it's it's all like some

30:11 Speaker 1: sort of sigh up, Uh what what?

30:13 Speaker 2: What?

30:14 Speaker 1: What was your take on that? And and what should

30:17 Speaker 1: the public think about this journalism?

30:21 Speaker 3: You know, it was I've had a lot of people

30:25 Speaker 3: that are very angry that are from the u AP

30:29 Speaker 3: community that are very angry at that. They there's a

30:32 Speaker 3: lot of doubt about Sean Kirkpatrick and and and the

30:37 Speaker 3: team of Arrow that was that he was leading.

30:41 Speaker 2: Tim Phillips, I think is a personally. I think that

30:45 Speaker 2: he is an honest as he can.

30:49 Speaker 3: And I would say my experience with Sean Kirkpatrick and

30:53 Speaker 3: with Tim Phillips is that they I think that they

30:58 Speaker 3: they looked and they looked at thousands of cases, and

31:02 Speaker 3: every time it came up something that they could debunk,

31:05 Speaker 3: and eventually they just kind of get black, they got

31:08 Speaker 3: black pilled.

31:09 Speaker 2: That's to me the but the question.

31:11 Speaker 3: But the other question you have to ask yourself is

31:14 Speaker 3: how many thousands of times are you gonna are we

31:18 Speaker 3: all gonna like look at this and if we come

31:20 Speaker 3: to dead ends at well some point you got to

31:23 Speaker 3: cut bait and say it's not gonna happen. It's not

31:26 Speaker 3: and and and come to the conclusion is probably not

31:28 Speaker 3: a real phenomenon. And so I can I can somewhat

31:32 Speaker 3: relate because I'll tell you it's been two years that

31:35 Speaker 3: I've been looking into this and coming into dead end

31:38 Speaker 3: after dead end after dead end.

31:40 Speaker 2: Well cut, go ahead.

31:43 Speaker 1: Yeah, Well that brings me to one of the viewers

31:45 Speaker 1: questions or the listener questions that I got. And I

31:48 Speaker 1: guess I'll just ask it and I'll plug it in

31:50 Speaker 1: now because I mean, it makes it makes a lot

31:53 Speaker 1: of sense. And to what you just said, let me

31:56 Speaker 1: just pull it up real quick. It's people are gonna

31:58 Speaker 1: be interested with why I chose this one. It's from

32:01 Speaker 1: Stephen Cambion, who him and I've we see him and

32:06 Speaker 1: I very very much are are on the opposite ends

32:09 Speaker 1: of the spectrum. Okay, And and and when you ask,

32:16 Speaker 1: he's highly highly skeptical. He thinks everyone is grifting. He's

32:21 Speaker 1: he's one of those guys. Now, now, no.

32:23 Speaker 2: Shade, there's definitely some grifting.

32:25 Speaker 1: There's, of course there is. I mean, I I would

32:33 Speaker 1: I I agree with him. I just don't think everything

32:39 Speaker 1: it seems like for him. I don't want to make

32:42 Speaker 1: this never mind. I won't even go there. We're just

32:45 Speaker 1: we're different people. Let's put it that.

32:47 Speaker 3: I would say, definitely, there's some people that are grifting,

32:51 Speaker 3: but there's many others that are genuine. Their worldview has

32:55 Speaker 3: been rocked and they just and they're motivated by that.

32:59 Speaker 1: And so, yeah, I don't think it's I don't think

33:03 Speaker 1: it's healthy to start from a believer's perspective and work

33:07 Speaker 1: your narrative to fit that. And the same way, it's

33:10 Speaker 1: not to start off as it's not possible and work

33:14 Speaker 1: your narrative to that, because you're starting from a biased

33:17 Speaker 1: perspective either way. And you know, again, we need to

33:21 Speaker 1: remain neutral. And he so he asks, does Eric have

33:25 Speaker 1: any comments on how these efforts to disclose could be

33:29 Speaker 1: seen as a waste of taxpayers money if there ends

33:33 Speaker 1: up no payoff from Stephen Canyon?

33:37 Speaker 2: Yeah, so then so to.

33:39 Speaker 3: My response to that is they're already spending taxpayer dollars.

33:43 Speaker 3: There are programs including ARROW, and there have been these

33:48 Speaker 3: legacy programs for quite some time, and they are you know,

33:53 Speaker 3: one of the narratives is that that was from the

33:55 Speaker 3: Wall Street Journal article, is that this was a disinformation

33:59 Speaker 3: campaign to try to try to, you know, smoke people

34:03 Speaker 3: or to point people away from the true projects that

34:07 Speaker 3: are happening. And if that's the case, that I want

34:10 Speaker 3: to know that I think that it's it's disheartening. It

34:14 Speaker 3: would be disheartening to find out that the federal government

34:17 Speaker 3: is not only just holding information and lying to the

34:20 Speaker 3: American people, but they're actually creating a false narrative that

34:25 Speaker 3: causes the American people to go down this rabbit trail

34:28 Speaker 3: and spend time, money, resources. And so at the end

34:31 Speaker 3: of the day, it's happening, and I'm just trying to

34:34 Speaker 3: get down to the bottom of.

34:35 Speaker 2: Why it's happening.

34:47 Speaker 1: Oh I was just muted. I don't know why. So yeah,

34:50 Speaker 1: making so, if it's going to be spent, might as

34:52 Speaker 1: well make sure it's spent the right way to some degree,

34:56 Speaker 1: or at.

34:57 Speaker 2: Least get the truth out right.

34:59 Speaker 3: Right, Congress should have some kind of role in this

35:04 Speaker 3: elected somebody who's elected and accountable to the people should

35:08 Speaker 3: have some some form of role and complete insight on this.

35:13 Speaker 1: I agree, I absolutely agree. And and uh so Daniel

35:18 Speaker 1: Miller asks, after after you met with the i C,

35:23 Speaker 1: I g uh, you said some aspects of Russia's claims

35:26 Speaker 1: were true. Can you elaborate on what claims specifically?

35:31 Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, so they that that was an interesting meeting.

35:36 Speaker 2: They base.

35:36 Speaker 3: They basically said that they can't they don't have enough information.

35:39 Speaker 3: They weren't able to get into the details of what

35:43 Speaker 3: these programs were or were not doing. But what they

35:46 Speaker 3: were able to investigate because they're mostly financially they're investigating

35:51 Speaker 3: the finances, is that the programs are not following the law,

35:56 Speaker 3: that they're not reporting to Congress, that the programs are

36:00 Speaker 3: overly compartmentalized.

36:01 Speaker 2: They're not, they're not even you know.

36:04 Speaker 3: They said that they the Office of Inspector General had

36:08 Speaker 3: a hard time getting these programs to even respond to them.

36:11 Speaker 3: That's not acceptable and so and so they they confirmed

36:18 Speaker 3: because you know, of the Grussia's allegations, those were some

36:23 Speaker 3: So those were consistent.

36:25 Speaker 2: With what he was saying.

36:28 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so what what role does the I C.

36:30 Speaker 1: I G. Still have in all this if if any.

36:36 Speaker 2: You know, they're mostly looking at any kind.

36:38 Speaker 1: Of is that the financial aspect?

36:40 Speaker 2: Right, the financial aspects.

36:43 Speaker 1: Because that that's that that brings up a really good

36:46 Speaker 1: uh maybe not good segue. I don't know, but a

36:51 Speaker 1: lot of people, I mean, you've heard the auto before

36:54 Speaker 1: is follow the money, follow the money, follow the money.

36:58 Speaker 1: And you know, the Pentagon is never passed an audit,

37:03 Speaker 1: and it seems pretty odd where like you know, the

37:08 Speaker 1: speech I think Rumsfield Rumsfield gave a couple of days

37:10 Speaker 1: before nine to eleven, you know, two point three trillion

37:14 Speaker 1: dollars is missing tea with like trillions of the tea.

37:18 Speaker 1: And then after nine to eleven they come out and

37:20 Speaker 1: they say, oh no, just kidding, books are balanced. We

37:23 Speaker 1: figured it all out. And it's like, well, uh, you know,

37:27 Speaker 1: something doesn't add up here. So what I'm asking is,

37:32 Speaker 1: I mean, you you you've pretty much confirmed in other

37:34 Speaker 1: interviews that you do believe the deep state is a

37:37 Speaker 1: real thing. Is that is that accurate?

37:44 Speaker 2: Oh? Absolutely? I mean.

37:49 Speaker 3: And there's some alligators. You know, it's a swamp and

37:52 Speaker 3: there's some alligators and other things that are in there,

37:56 Speaker 3: and so it gets it gets very prickly. When you

37:59 Speaker 3: try to try to delve deep into some of this stuff,

38:03 Speaker 3: you definitely get some pushback.

38:05 Speaker 2: But the at the end of the day, that's what

38:10 Speaker 2: our job is.

38:11 Speaker 1: M Well, do I mean, do you think it is

38:15 Speaker 1: possible that the Bunny's being i mean siphoned off essentially

38:20 Speaker 1: and funneled into black programs? Maybe? I mean recently, I

38:25 Speaker 1: know Jeremy Corbel and George I don't know what they're

38:29 Speaker 1: standing is in Congress anymore after the last hearing, but

38:34 Speaker 1: the Immaculate Constellation whistleblower, he could I don't know if

38:38 Speaker 1: he would be good to bring in. But did you

38:42 Speaker 1: did you look at that? Have you? Have you heard

38:45 Speaker 1: and looked into this?

38:46 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've had conversations with Matt Brown.

38:48 Speaker 3: He's he seems to be you know, he's his experience,

38:54 Speaker 3: seems to be honest, he's coming. I believe that he's

38:57 Speaker 3: being completely honest and transparent. He's he's takes he's taking

39:03 Speaker 3: this very seriously. And you're right, he would make a

39:07 Speaker 3: great witness.

39:08 Speaker 1: I agree. I agree. So I guess look, question, well, I'm.

39:16 Speaker 3: Willing to regarding the question, what is Congress's role working

39:20 Speaker 3: with people. How are we working with corgo with NAP.

39:24 Speaker 3: You know, there's you know, what's interesting about this community

39:29 Speaker 3: is that there are turf battles between these different groups

39:34 Speaker 3: and they don't like many of them don't like each other,

39:37 Speaker 3: many of them don't get along, and and they all

39:40 Speaker 3: kind of want to be the center of it. And

39:43 Speaker 3: the truth is, I don't really care. I'm just trying

39:45 Speaker 3: to get to the truth. So I'm I will work

39:50 Speaker 3: with whomever I think is going to be effective it

39:53 Speaker 3: and and and you know, can bring forward some helpful

39:57 Speaker 3: information or help or connect me to other people. And

40:01 Speaker 3: so I'm not I'm not here to judge the people

40:04 Speaker 3: that I'm working that that.

40:05 Speaker 2: Are willing to do that. I'm just.

40:09 Speaker 3: So I'm willing to What I'm saying is I don't

40:11 Speaker 3: I'm not going to pick a camp. I'm not like

40:14 Speaker 3: Team Edmund what is that? What is that movie the Twilet?

40:19 Speaker 3: You know, I'm not I'm.

40:20 Speaker 1: Not Team was Pattinson and Taylor Water's characters.

40:26 Speaker 2: Yeah, or like Hogwarts versus. Yeah, I'm not.

40:30 Speaker 3: I'm not here to try to do that. I'm just

40:32 Speaker 3: trying to navigate. And frankly, I think that having these

40:38 Speaker 3: groups separate does is actually beneficial to the topic as

40:42 Speaker 3: as a whole, because they're different perspectives on the same topic.

40:47 Speaker 3: You're you're able to get, you know, three dimensional view

40:51 Speaker 3: of what's going on.

40:52 Speaker 1: Yeah, And honestly, it's actually kind of refreshing to hear

40:57 Speaker 1: you say that that, because that's I mean, that's essentially

41:00 Speaker 1: what I like I as a podcaster, as a journalist,

41:05 Speaker 1: you know, you hear everybody out and you take the

41:09 Speaker 1: information that you think, uh, you know, is is genuine,

41:16 Speaker 1: you know, because I think humans are are they're naturally

41:20 Speaker 1: if they're telling you a story, it's going to be

41:21 Speaker 1: the best version of that story, even if it's just

41:24 Speaker 1: going to the convenience store. You know, I almost got

41:27 Speaker 1: hit taken a you know, taken the right turn. And

41:31 Speaker 1: we always want to tell the best story. And and

41:34 Speaker 1: I think that's that's kind of what happens in the

41:36 Speaker 1: UFO community is everyone everyone thinks they have the secret

41:40 Speaker 1: to the sauce, right, that's right, and and and in reality,

41:45 Speaker 1: if we had stepped back and worked as a team,

41:49 Speaker 1: like there's nothing that a united humanity couldn't accomplish. And

41:54 Speaker 1: I think this plays out on the geopolitical scale as well.

41:59 Speaker 3: Yeah, and we we're looking at working with other countries.

42:04 Speaker 3: So the first country that I've been connected with is Japan.

42:09 Speaker 3: And so we're right, you're getting a puzzled look. But yeah,

42:13 Speaker 3: Japan is looking at creating a version in their in

42:18 Speaker 3: their country. That's kind of like aero to study the phenomenon.

42:22 Speaker 3: And I've had at least on two occasions been on

42:25 Speaker 3: zoom calls with with with with Japanese political leaders.

42:31 Speaker 1: Just amazing. Yeah, that's really that's that's really cool.

42:36 Speaker 2: I didn't know.

42:36 Speaker 1: I don't know.

42:37 Speaker 2: If I and I get to try out my Japanese speaking.

42:40 Speaker 3: Ability, you can speak Japanese, Yeah, chumas just just a

42:46 Speaker 3: little bit, just.

42:47 Speaker 1: A little bit. Well that's not I mean, that's awesome.

42:51 Speaker 1: And and I think that. I mean I didn't Oh shoot,

42:55 Speaker 1: I forget, didn't the UK come out and say they're

42:58 Speaker 1: going to finally have hearings as well? Am I'm making

43:02 Speaker 1: that up?

43:02 Speaker 2: If it happened.

43:03 Speaker 3: Look, there's a lot that's that is hit hits the

43:07 Speaker 3: you know that you guys are saying, but there's also

43:11 Speaker 3: sometimes not everything comes to my to my visibility.

43:15 Speaker 1: Right right, and and yeah, no, that makes it does

43:19 Speaker 1: it really does make sense but I think I think

43:21 Speaker 1: I'm I think I'm not making that up. I'm pretty

43:24 Speaker 1: sure that one of our allies, i think it's the UK,

43:28 Speaker 1: finally said that they were going to hold some hearings and.

43:31 Speaker 3: Yeah, that would be good. I'd be happy to reach out.

43:34 Speaker 3: I'll take note of that and I'll have my team

43:36 Speaker 3: reach out.

43:36 Speaker 1: Yeah, let me let me maybe the chat can fact

43:39 Speaker 1: check me here. But I I know, I just heard

43:41 Speaker 1: it somewhere. And speaking of that, I'm you know, I'm

43:46 Speaker 1: pretty good friends and and pretty uh, I don't know,

43:52 Speaker 1: I'm okay with Danny she and speaking of a guy

43:56 Speaker 1: who kind of goes with both camps, you know.

43:59 Speaker 2: Is great. The great individual really.

44:02 Speaker 1: Really really just such a He's such a good person

44:05 Speaker 1: to have in this community because he's so so well

44:08 Speaker 1: versed in so many areas of of of things that

44:11 Speaker 1: he's just he's become this really wealth of knowledge and

44:14 Speaker 1: and you know, he's really pushing the UAP Disclosure Act

44:20 Speaker 1: and he wants to know who the enemies of this

44:23 Speaker 1: act are. And if you've been able to sniff any

44:25 Speaker 1: of them out, well we'll see.

44:29 Speaker 3: We had, you know, where we tried to get it

44:31 Speaker 3: past the what was it last year we had to

44:35 Speaker 3: get it, you know, Chuck Schumer was actually helpful getting

44:40 Speaker 3: it in in the Senate, but that language got stripped

44:42 Speaker 3: out in the House.

44:43 Speaker 2: We've we've got new leaders on the.

44:46 Speaker 3: Intelligence Committee, and so I'm hoping that I and I've

44:52 Speaker 3: I've had conversations with Rick Crawford, and I think that

44:57 Speaker 3: he's he's absolutely willing to be helpful on this, which

45:01 Speaker 3: is different than his predecessor. So we'll see. And but

45:05 Speaker 3: Dannie's right, like, at the end of the day, we

45:10 Speaker 3: all we have, all we can do is just try

45:13 Speaker 3: and then force the you know, the whoever the opposition is,

45:18 Speaker 3: to actually show themselves until there is no more opposition.

45:23 Speaker 1: Right, right, And I mean I I just find it

45:27 Speaker 1: weird that guys like you know, Mike Turner that represent

45:32 Speaker 1: the same district that Right Patterson is in, which holds

45:35 Speaker 1: a tremendous place in UFO lore as being you know,

45:40 Speaker 1: almost almost more important than Area fifty one. If I

45:45 Speaker 1: was really going to go look for for a reverse

45:50 Speaker 1: engineered UFO, I'd probably go to Wright Patterson before I

45:53 Speaker 1: ever went to ask for if it even exists, as

45:56 Speaker 1: as we think it does. I just interesting stuff. He

46:02 Speaker 1: gets a lot of money from private aerospace as well,

46:05 Speaker 1: and the tic TAC ross Coltart just came out said

46:07 Speaker 1: the tic TAC he thinks is uh manufactured by by

46:12 Speaker 1: Lockheed Martin. What do you think about that? That's that

46:18 Speaker 1: that sentiment.

46:19 Speaker 3: Yeah, So whenever I first the very first hearing where

46:23 Speaker 3: David Grush came forward and we had David Fraverer and

46:27 Speaker 3: Ryan Grace testify as well, and they and they talked

46:31 Speaker 3: about the tic TAC, you know, his his experience with

46:35 Speaker 3: seeing the tic TAC the I was getting. I got

46:39 Speaker 3: an email from someone that was very detailed in explaining

46:44 Speaker 3: that that was a Lockheed Martin project.

46:48 Speaker 2: That was what was almost three years ago.

46:52 Speaker 3: So then since then, I've had another individual come FULK

46:57 Speaker 3: come to me.

46:59 Speaker 2: I won't I won't say his name.

47:02 Speaker 3: He claims to have photos and videos of different different

47:07 Speaker 3: versions of this of this phenomenon of the tic TAC

47:11 Speaker 3: and as it throughout its progression, and so I'm I'm

47:17 Speaker 3: trying to set up an opportunity.

47:18 Speaker 2: Where I can see that for myself first.

47:22 Speaker 3: But yeah, that's that's what I've I've been repeatedly told

47:26 Speaker 3: is that it's Lackie Martin.

47:29 Speaker 1: So but I don't know what surprise you.

47:32 Speaker 3: I don't know, and it wouldn't surprise me. It would

47:34 Speaker 3: kind of fit with what is the most most plausible.

47:37 Speaker 3: But I would say, you know Tim Phillips when he

47:41 Speaker 3: was when he went on his interview circuit with Yeah,

47:47 Speaker 3: he you know, And honestly, I feel like when just

47:50 Speaker 3: working with Tim that he was he was genuinely trying

47:53 Speaker 3: to get us the same information that they were seeing,

47:56 Speaker 3: which is very noble, right, but said that he had

48:01 Speaker 3: tried to give a briefing and had gotten permission from

48:05 Speaker 3: a special access program to be able to brief us,

48:08 Speaker 3: and and he and that briefing was not blocked by

48:12 Speaker 3: the d O D or people in the special access program.

48:16 Speaker 2: It was actually blocked by.

48:17 Speaker 3: Leadership, is what he leadership, to which I reached out

48:25 Speaker 3: to the speaker immediately, Me and Anna and Tim Burchett

48:31 Speaker 3: confronted the speaker on the floor and about it.

48:35 Speaker 2: He had no.

48:35 Speaker 3: Idea what we were talking about. I really no no

48:39 Speaker 3: idea whatsover had never was. And I believe, honestly, there

48:45 Speaker 3: are times, I honestly I think Mike Johnson is an

48:48 Speaker 3: honest individual. I think he there's times where he makes

48:52 Speaker 3: promises that he is not able to live up to.

48:56 Speaker 2: But he's not gonna lie about about something like that

49:00 Speaker 2: just and so I do believe him.

49:04 Speaker 3: But I also I think that whenever he looked into it,

49:08 Speaker 3: had his team look into it, they indicated that it

49:11 Speaker 3: was blocked by one of the one of the chairmen

49:14 Speaker 3: or ranking members of either Intelligence or HASK and so

49:19 Speaker 3: and so, one of which would it could have been

49:21 Speaker 3: very well could have been my turner at that time.

49:24 Speaker 3: So so, and that that briefing that that mister Phillips

49:29 Speaker 3: was talking about was a briefing that would have probably

49:34 Speaker 3: indicated to I'm just speculating, because he was trying to

49:38 Speaker 3: show us some of the historical craft and he had

49:43 Speaker 3: even done a site visit where he saw almost what

49:46 Speaker 3: he describes as a museum of the of this technology

49:49 Speaker 3: as it as it's involved, and that that would be

49:54 Speaker 3: that would be helpful in kind of ascertaining and knowing

49:59 Speaker 3: what's out there right, knowing what we have and being

50:04 Speaker 3: able to eliminate a lot of a lot of photos

50:08 Speaker 3: and videos that that are speculatively extraterrestrial.

50:15 Speaker 2: HM right, and the fact that we are blocked from that.

50:19 Speaker 3: It was very frustrating and I think that we're making it.

50:23 Speaker 3: We're because we've raised the alarm, because I've spoken with

50:27 Speaker 3: the new Intel chairman. I'm hoping that we have we

50:30 Speaker 3: have a different scenario. And the other thing that's different

50:35 Speaker 3: is that we have we have a very transparent lighthouse.

50:39 Speaker 3: You know, Donald Trump is a disclosure president. We've we've

50:44 Speaker 3: kind of had a little bit of difficulty with the

50:46 Speaker 3: f STET files, but I think it's at the end

50:49 Speaker 3: of the day, I think he wants the information to

50:51 Speaker 3: come out on that. He wants all of the information

50:54 Speaker 3: that you know, some of the scandals with our intelligence

50:58 Speaker 3: community to come forward. We've had a tremendous we've had

51:02 Speaker 3: a lot of success when it came to the JFK files.

51:06 Speaker 3: If there's anything that this task Force has I think

51:08 Speaker 3: been successful on, it's getting more and more JFK files released.

51:13 Speaker 3: And these files are not something that the deep state

51:17 Speaker 3: wants released. When you have files that the CIA that

51:20 Speaker 3: basically implicate the CIA in a cover up where they're

51:25 Speaker 3: or they're lying the Congress multiple times about the assassination

51:30 Speaker 3: of JFK, that's that's remarkable, really remarkable that that that

51:35 Speaker 3: those documents have been released. So this president, I think

51:40 Speaker 3: is a disclosure president and his office has been has

51:43 Speaker 3: been very.

51:44 Speaker 2: Helpful on this.

51:46 Speaker 1: Okay. Well, with that being said, you know, if if

51:52 Speaker 1: that legislation was our best shot at I don't know

52:00 Speaker 1: if you if you want to call, if it was

52:02 Speaker 1: our best shot at formal transparency, what comes next? Are

52:06 Speaker 1: there backup plans or an alternative route being considered in Congress?

52:12 Speaker 3: Really the only the only chance that we have is

52:15 Speaker 3: the National Defense Authorization Acts. So every you know, every

52:19 Speaker 3: year when that comes forward, which that there's in Congress,

52:22 Speaker 3: there are bills that are called must pass bills, and.

52:25 Speaker 2: Those are generally the only bills that fully make it

52:27 Speaker 2: to the President's desk.

52:29 Speaker 1: Okay.

52:29 Speaker 3: And so what you you, once you realize that and

52:32 Speaker 3: you understand that's the train, you better figure out how

52:36 Speaker 3: to get your you know, get get.

52:38 Speaker 1: On the train, get your ass on it, and get get.

52:40 Speaker 3: Your language on that train. And so that's why we've

52:45 Speaker 3: got Senator Rounds, who is he's he's now going to

52:49 Speaker 3: be putting that language in the bill on the Senate.

52:52 Speaker 2: He's he's the he's really the one driving the charge

52:56 Speaker 2: on the language.

52:57 Speaker 3: And our office has reached out to Center Around's office

53:01 Speaker 3: and said you know, how can we help. We want

53:04 Speaker 3: to we want to do our part from the House side,

53:06 Speaker 3: so we will be trying to get it into.

53:08 Speaker 2: The House's version and he and I believe he will

53:11 Speaker 2: be doing that on the Setate side.

53:13 Speaker 1: Okay, because I you know, I just I have a

53:15 Speaker 1: fear that come mid the mid uh the midterm, that

53:23 Speaker 1: the Republicans will lose the House. They'll keep the Senate,

53:26 Speaker 1: but they'll lose the House, and that any legislation from

53:31 Speaker 1: that point on it just won't It'll just be it'll

53:34 Speaker 1: be dead. It'll be dead, dead on the floor. So

53:39 Speaker 1: do you feel that you're up against the clock? Kind

53:41 Speaker 1: of yes?

53:44 Speaker 3: Okay, fair and really kind of with this with this

53:48 Speaker 3: White House as well. I mean that that is, assuming

53:51 Speaker 3: we we win the midterms and we're able to keep

53:53 Speaker 3: the House, we still we've only got so much time

53:56 Speaker 3: with this president, and so we while we've got someone

54:00 Speaker 3: that's favorable of disclosure, we've got to pounce on it.

54:03 Speaker 3: And so I would just encourage everyone in the UAP

54:07 Speaker 3: community to do whatever you can, through social media or

54:12 Speaker 3: otherwise to remind the White House that this is an

54:15 Speaker 3: important topic. And look, Donald Trump has got a lot

54:19 Speaker 3: of irons in the fire. Okay, he's trying to solve

54:23 Speaker 3: global conflicts all over the world. He's trying to renegotiate

54:28 Speaker 3: trade trade deals with every nation on the planet. He's

54:35 Speaker 3: completely reformed our tax code with the One Big Beautiful Bill,

54:40 Speaker 3: completely reformed our energy exploration system and a process, completely

54:47 Speaker 3: reformed manufacturing in the United States. So, as you can imagine,

54:52 Speaker 3: he's got a lot of irons in the fire. This

54:55 Speaker 3: topic is not necessarily top of mind, and so we

54:59 Speaker 3: have to make it top of mind.

55:01 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think and you because I think that

55:07 Speaker 1: not a lot of people want in the UFO community.

55:10 Speaker 1: I don't think a lot of people want to talk

55:11 Speaker 1: about this. But I think the people that control the Epstein's,

55:18 Speaker 1: the Ditties and and are honey potting and you know,

55:23 Speaker 1: uh and trapping world leaders, politicians, uh, people of influence.

55:29 Speaker 1: What are the chances the same people that are doing

55:32 Speaker 1: that are also obvious skating the truth and have that

55:38 Speaker 1: technology of non human origin and they're the ones that

55:41 Speaker 1: are suppressing it. What are the chances that's the same person,

55:45 Speaker 1: you know, figuratively, the same person who would run the

55:50 Speaker 1: Epstein's and Ditties, same person who runs the obviouscation of

55:54 Speaker 1: the truth on UFOs. I think it's highly likely we're

55:57 Speaker 1: dealing with the same thing all.

55:59 Speaker 2: To maybe maybe I don't know, Oh.

56:04 Speaker 1: All right, but a plan of the seed, that's all right,

56:06 Speaker 1: well we'll see. I I just it's it's it's almost

56:12 Speaker 1: like I don't I don't know, because we talk about

56:15 Speaker 1: the deep state.

56:16 Speaker 3: And it would be nice and comedia and kind of

56:18 Speaker 3: a clean way of addressing if there was one one villain,

56:21 Speaker 3: but I would I doubt it.

56:24 Speaker 2: I doubt it.

56:25 Speaker 1: Well, okay, that's a little bit of oversimplification. I mean,

56:29 Speaker 1: the deep state, whoever's controlling whoever, because I think, you know,

56:34 Speaker 1: Daniel in a way said it best. You know, there

56:37 Speaker 1: there is a an apparatus out there that has its

56:41 Speaker 1: own fundraising mechanisms, its own army, its own agenda, and

56:45 Speaker 1: it operates outside the law. So I don't know. One

56:50 Speaker 1: plus one, you know, is starting to look like two

56:52 Speaker 1: to me. Whether Terrence Howard agrees or not.

56:55 Speaker 3: Yeah, and there could be I mean, look, there's just

56:58 Speaker 3: some commonalities amongst just just the political nature of things.

57:02 Speaker 2: One is one is that.

57:05 Speaker 3: Information is power, and so if you have if you

57:08 Speaker 3: feel like you're the only individual or group that has

57:12 Speaker 3: information that's job security, that that's making sure that you're

57:15 Speaker 3: the king of your little mountain, and you don't want

57:18 Speaker 3: to you don't want to lose that. Sometimes that I

57:21 Speaker 3: think that that was the motivation or can be the

57:23 Speaker 3: motivation if even for members of Congress, particularly if you're

57:27 Speaker 3: a committee chairman, you don't want anybody taking on anything

57:32 Speaker 3: even close to your topic or purview of your committee

57:35 Speaker 3: because that's a loss of control and power.

57:38 Speaker 2: You might as well not be the chair of that topic.

57:41 Speaker 3: So the same thing has to be you know, it

57:44 Speaker 3: has to be the same thing within the deep state.

57:47 Speaker 3: But I would also say a commonality to just never

57:50 Speaker 3: discredit is the ineptitude and the lack of will or

57:56 Speaker 3: or effort of government employees. Yeah, because you know, like I,

58:03 Speaker 3: I really think that one of the reasons why we

58:06 Speaker 3: don't have everything we are you and I would think

58:09 Speaker 3: that there would be out there about Epstein is because

58:12 Speaker 3: it's just that they they haven't done.

58:14 Speaker 2: The work to get the information right they.

58:18 Speaker 3: I truly think, for example, on the UAP topic, there's

58:23 Speaker 3: there's it to some extent, there's just not the time

58:27 Speaker 3: or energy or motivation. And so because of that, the posture.

58:31 Speaker 3: I'm saying this very well could be the scenario is

58:34 Speaker 3: that the government just that because they haven't done the homework,

58:37 Speaker 3: they haven't done the work to even really know what

58:39 Speaker 3: these things are. They their posture is to just be mum,

58:43 Speaker 3: because they it's better to act like you don't know, right,

58:48 Speaker 3: and or that then to admit that you haven't done

58:52 Speaker 3: you haven't done the.

58:53 Speaker 1: Work, the actual homework. Right. No, it's a very very

58:56 Speaker 1: good good way to say it. So, uh, that kind

59:00 Speaker 1: of a good, kind of a good little segue here.

59:03 Speaker 1: So eli at quint essence eli on X asks Congressman

59:09 Speaker 1: Burlison on the Event Horizon show hosted by John Michael

59:14 Speaker 1: Goat Guttier, Former acting Arrow director Tim Phillips revealed that

59:19 Speaker 1: Arrow had discovered a classified version of an MJ twelve

59:23 Speaker 1: crash retrieval document. Former Arrow director Sean Kirkpatrick downplayed it,

59:28 Speaker 1: saying it might be a public version, but also admitted

59:32 Speaker 1: it could be something entirely unfamiliar to him to add context.

59:36 Speaker 1: Not long after Phillips began speaking publicly, including that interview,

59:41 Speaker 1: his detail to Arrow, he was terminated. So, with Rep.

59:45 Speaker 1: Luna now leading a congressional task force focused on declassifying

59:49 Speaker 1: federal secrets, including UAP materials. Are you aware of this

59:53 Speaker 1: document and would you support efforts to have it reviewed?

59:56 Speaker 3: And yeah, absolutely would support efforts get access to this document.

1:00:01 Speaker 1: Yeah that was long winded, but yeah, I had heard

1:00:06 Speaker 1: he'd mentioned that to me, and I started doing some digging,

1:00:10 Speaker 1: and what are your thoughts on m J twelve and

1:00:14 Speaker 1: that that side of the Loretic.

1:00:18 Speaker 3: The Majestic twelve is It's an interesting it's an interesting

1:00:24 Speaker 3: it is time and history. So yeah, anything that we

1:00:29 Speaker 3: can get that has not been released, I'm happy that

1:00:32 Speaker 3: I want to get access to. Yeah, make it disclosed

1:00:37 Speaker 3: to your show, total disclosure.

1:00:41 Speaker 2: I'm going to clear that, got it.

1:00:42 Speaker 3: And then you know MJ the m J twelve, the

1:00:45 Speaker 3: Majestic twelve. How long ago was that that was?

1:00:48 Speaker 2: We're talking what the fifties and fifties?

1:00:51 Speaker 1: Yeah, fifties and sixties.

1:00:52 Speaker 2: So I mean at some point, this is the same

1:00:55 Speaker 2: thing with the JFK files. At some point.

1:00:57 Speaker 3: Okay, it's seventy and seventy years. Let's I mean, how

1:01:01 Speaker 3: long is it going to take? I hope it's not

1:01:03 Speaker 3: gonna take seventy years to find out what happened with

1:01:05 Speaker 3: Epstein or seventy years to find out what's happening today

1:01:09 Speaker 3: with UAP, I mean, and so the least we can

1:01:12 Speaker 3: ask for is what happened in the forties and fifties

1:01:16 Speaker 3: and sixties.

1:01:18 Speaker 1: Yeah, And honestly, I think that some of the stuff

1:01:22 Speaker 1: that is a little bit older is with the growing

1:01:25 Speaker 1: advancement in AI, and you know, just like deep fakes,

1:01:30 Speaker 1: and I think the older cases are going to become

1:01:33 Speaker 1: especially the ones with a lot of evidence, like whether

1:01:36 Speaker 1: it be physical, testimonial or all of the above, those

1:01:40 Speaker 1: ones are only going to increase in value.

1:01:44 Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, because they're legit. You know that they weren't fake,

1:01:48 Speaker 3: they weren't created.

1:01:48 Speaker 1: By AI before time.

1:01:51 Speaker 2: I think we're getting.

1:01:52 Speaker 3: Ready to enter into just an absolute goofy time in

1:01:55 Speaker 3: world history where you're no one's gonna no one's gonna

1:02:00 Speaker 3: have any kind of level of certainty on anything, because

1:02:03 Speaker 3: so it's going to be so easy to fake things. Look,

1:02:06 Speaker 3: I'm getting phone calls from individuals that.

1:02:11 Speaker 2: Are being impersonated.

1:02:13 Speaker 3: Rick Crawford, the Intelligence Chairman, I had multiple phone calls

1:02:18 Speaker 3: where a person was impersonating him. I had phone calls

1:02:22 Speaker 3: where they're impersonating the chiefest staffs of the White House.

1:02:26 Speaker 3: Her voice was on, I have a voicemail from her,

1:02:29 Speaker 3: and it's not her.

1:02:30 Speaker 2: And so this we're going to get weirder and goofier.

1:02:33 Speaker 2: And right now probably it's.

1:02:36 Speaker 3: Only being you know, because we're more high profile, we're

1:02:39 Speaker 3: getting targeted. But it's just get ready. I mean, the

1:02:41 Speaker 3: world is going to get really goofy. And with that

1:02:44 Speaker 3: in mind, all of these historical photos and videos are

1:02:48 Speaker 3: going to be are going to have a lot more

1:02:50 Speaker 3: value and legitimacy, which is why in the hearing that

1:02:53 Speaker 3: I had with Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy, knowing that he's

1:02:58 Speaker 3: the NASA that he's now at the administrator over NASA

1:03:01 Speaker 3: as well, one of my questions was based on Michael

1:03:05 Speaker 3: Gold's question or what he said whenever we had a

1:03:09 Speaker 3: hearing with Michael Gold, that NASA has a vast amount

1:03:14 Speaker 3: of information or photos, videos, just an.

1:03:18 Speaker 2: Archive, a vast archive of.

1:03:21 Speaker 3: Videos that we should they should turn over to some

1:03:27 Speaker 3: kind of effort, whether it's nonprofit or create an effort

1:03:31 Speaker 3: within NASA to use AI to go over to just

1:03:37 Speaker 3: view and comb through all of that, all of those

1:03:39 Speaker 3: thousands upon thousands, probably tens of thousands of note hundreds

1:03:43 Speaker 3: of thousands of hours of video footage and in looking

1:03:48 Speaker 3: for what might be a UAP.

1:03:51 Speaker 1: I by the way, I just wanted to commend you

1:03:53 Speaker 1: on your resilience and bringing that up at that moment,

1:03:59 Speaker 1: because you know, I just like I said, you're you're

1:04:04 Speaker 1: you're really becoming a one. Uh, whether you like it

1:04:07 Speaker 1: or not. I think Burchette held that title for a while,

1:04:10 Speaker 1: but I think you're slowly becoming the the member of

1:04:12 Speaker 1: Congress that leads is leading the charge on this. So

1:04:16 Speaker 1: thank you for representing every.

1:04:18 Speaker 2: In the way they this topic.

1:04:23 Speaker 3: And I love that guy. I don't want to take

1:04:25 Speaker 3: that crown from him. I'm doing my dutiful role and

1:04:29 Speaker 3: just kind of beating beating the bushes and trying to

1:04:32 Speaker 3: trying to help.

1:04:35 Speaker 1: Yeah, do you do you? I mean, so, do you

1:04:38 Speaker 1: Luna and Burchett? Do you guys or you know, do

1:04:45 Speaker 1: you guys have a plan in place for say, okay,

1:04:51 Speaker 1: let me rephrase this because that was a little jumbled.

1:04:55 Speaker 1: Do you guys as a as a trio, do you

1:04:59 Speaker 1: guys like talk privately about your thoughts? Because I think

1:05:04 Speaker 1: a lot of people think that Congress is it's really

1:05:07 Speaker 1: just like in office, right it's it's it's these inter

1:05:10 Speaker 1: hallway conversations. But it seems like you guys are are

1:05:13 Speaker 1: friendly in the regular world too, So I mean, do

1:05:17 Speaker 1: you guys ever talk about this, like just personally?

1:05:22 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean Tim and Anna and I are very

1:05:24 Speaker 3: good friends and so we In fact, Anna often sits

1:05:30 Speaker 3: next to Tim Burchett.

1:05:31 Speaker 2: You know, he's got a particular.

1:05:33 Speaker 3: Spot on the house floor that he always sits in,

1:05:36 Speaker 3: and I'm in that general vicinity too, and the three

1:05:39 Speaker 3: of us are you know during voting sessions that we

1:05:42 Speaker 3: have a lot of conversations during voting while we're waiting,

1:05:45 Speaker 3: while we're sitting there waiting between votes, we have a

1:05:48 Speaker 3: lot of conversations on this topic.

1:05:50 Speaker 1: I would and I think that's what I thought I

1:05:54 Speaker 1: would think, because like, I feel like people don't really

1:05:57 Speaker 1: understand like, uh, you know, government work, and even in

1:06:00 Speaker 1: the military, it's a lot of hurry up and wait.

1:06:03 Speaker 1: So you have a lot of time on your hands usually,

1:06:05 Speaker 1: and it's like, you know, how do you feel the time?

1:06:08 Speaker 1: Is that why you guys have gotten so vigorous on

1:06:10 Speaker 1: this topic, is you know you want the answers because

1:06:14 Speaker 1: you guys do the homework, and it seems like that's

1:06:16 Speaker 1: the case. So on. On total disclosure, we often explore

1:06:22 Speaker 1: how the UFO phenomena intersect with consciousness and spirituality. What

1:06:29 Speaker 1: do you believe there's a connection between UAPs and human

1:06:33 Speaker 1: consciousness and how might disclosure reshape you know, our spiritual

1:06:38 Speaker 1: or philosophical framework.

1:06:42 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I'm a I'm a born again Christian.

1:06:45 Speaker 2: I think that.

1:06:47 Speaker 3: I think it actually for people that are Christians. The

1:06:53 Speaker 3: first thought about this is that if the if we

1:06:56 Speaker 3: were to discover that there were these beings that are

1:07:00 Speaker 3: coming here from an extra dimension, it would it would

1:07:02 Speaker 3: rock their world for view. But the truth is that's

1:07:05 Speaker 3: what the Bible describes, the Bible and the Old Testament describes,

1:07:11 Speaker 3: you know, extraterrestrial beings.

1:07:14 Speaker 2: It's called angels that come for it.

1:07:17 Speaker 3: So I don't think that it should rock anybody's worldview

1:07:21 Speaker 3: if if there was to be some kind of revelation

1:07:24 Speaker 3: and the world discovers that these things do exist. It

1:07:30 Speaker 3: is interesting how often spirituality in some form is brought up.

1:07:38 Speaker 2: I would say consistent. It's consistently brought up.

1:07:42 Speaker 3: And most people who come to me and tell me

1:07:47 Speaker 3: stories about their encounters often that they're either.

1:07:52 Speaker 2: They are communicating in.

1:07:54 Speaker 3: A way where they're not using you know, they're not

1:07:57 Speaker 3: speaking directly, there's no there's no real audio. They're just

1:08:01 Speaker 3: they're just being given a message through there through their mind,

1:08:05 Speaker 3: or they're using their mind in some cases like mister

1:08:08 Speaker 3: bloedsin to like to communicate.

1:08:10 Speaker 2: Our or or direct the UFO.

1:08:14 Speaker 1: Yeah.

1:08:15 Speaker 2: Right, So there's there's quite a bit of that. And

1:08:18 Speaker 2: then I'm that that keeps coming up and again. But

1:08:23 Speaker 2: I have not had any kind of personal encounter.

1:08:26 Speaker 1: With So do you think that, uh, that maybe science

1:08:29 Speaker 1: should look more into consciousness and you working towards towards

1:08:37 Speaker 1: you know, some sort of advancement in uh, you know, ourselves,

1:08:42 Speaker 1: advancement in our evolution. You know, there was anywhere to

1:08:45 Speaker 1: be looked at.

1:08:49 Speaker 2: I mean, I think that it's I think that.

1:08:53 Speaker 3: To me, it's pseudoscience until until unless we get close

1:08:58 Speaker 3: to it and it becomes real, I think that it's.

1:09:02 Speaker 2: It's science that's not If that.

1:09:04 Speaker 3: Is true, it's well beyond the what we're our capabilities

1:09:09 Speaker 3: of measuring and right discovering.

1:09:11 Speaker 2: And so this is this.

1:09:13 Speaker 3: Would have to be something that would be revealed if

1:09:17 Speaker 3: it were true from at this point in time, given

1:09:20 Speaker 3: our technology, it would.

1:09:22 Speaker 2: Have to be revealed to us through a like some

1:09:24 Speaker 2: form of non human.

1:09:25 Speaker 3: Intelligence, right, so I just don't see us like we're

1:09:29 Speaker 3: you know, you got Elon Musk doing the neural Lenk.

1:09:34 Speaker 2: Right now.

1:09:35 Speaker 3: That's like, but that's pretty physical hardware connected to people's

1:09:40 Speaker 3: you know, connecting a chip somebody's circuitry in their brain.

1:09:44 Speaker 3: And that's like the cutting edge stuff that we're doing today.

1:09:48 Speaker 2: It's hard to believe that we would be.

1:09:50 Speaker 3: Able to come up with some some other form of

1:09:53 Speaker 3: that where you don't even have some kind of physical

1:09:56 Speaker 3: connection or some translator that would translate this aw into some.

1:10:00 Speaker 2: Kind of broadcast. I think we're a long ways from that.

1:10:04 Speaker 1: Yeah, I do. I would. I would agree with you think.

1:10:09 Speaker 1: You know, I look at I look at humanity, and

1:10:13 Speaker 1: if you kind of dig into it, I think we've

1:10:18 Speaker 1: stopped evolving physically and and the evolutionary state I think

1:10:23 Speaker 1: probably would be our brains because we're the apex predator

1:10:28 Speaker 1: of the of the planet. So and you know, nothing's

1:10:31 Speaker 1: challenging us physically anymore. So you know, where would the

1:10:36 Speaker 1: next evolutionary state take place, whether that's emerging with technology

1:10:41 Speaker 1: or a raising of your consciousness. Uh, I think that

1:10:46 Speaker 1: would be the next step logically, And I mean it

1:10:49 Speaker 1: could explain why the grays look like that, and and

1:10:54 Speaker 1: we could be headed that way. It could always be

1:10:57 Speaker 1: that outway. That's very very loosely said.

1:11:03 Speaker 2: Right, that's that's just to me, that's speculation.

1:11:07 Speaker 1: Of course, naturally, I mean it's it's all speculation at

1:11:10 Speaker 1: this point. But all right, I I totally and I

1:11:15 Speaker 1: do understand. I consciousness is a weird one because you

1:11:18 Speaker 1: start asking people about it and whether.

1:11:20 Speaker 3: It is to me, it's goofy. It just kind of

1:11:26 Speaker 3: but it keeps, but it keeps coming up.

1:11:28 Speaker 2: And I'll tell you.

1:11:31 Speaker 3: When when when this when people start talking about using

1:11:35 Speaker 3: their brain to to control or call in a UFO,

1:11:39 Speaker 3: I have to like it.

1:11:40 Speaker 2: Just it's it's a leap for me, and I'm highly

1:11:44 Speaker 2: skeptical of that. But you know what I mean, I'm

1:11:49 Speaker 2: not going to be judging people.

1:11:51 Speaker 3: That's why I'm willing to you if you want to

1:11:54 Speaker 3: show me, I'm happy to I'm happy to go out

1:11:57 Speaker 3: with you and and see if we can't call in

1:12:00 Speaker 3: a Ufoh.

1:12:04 Speaker 1: What it's good to be like Like you said, I

1:12:06 Speaker 1: think it's good for to be a healthy kind of

1:12:09 Speaker 1: skeptic because you're going to be if if someone can

1:12:14 Speaker 1: prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that something's happening

1:12:16 Speaker 1: to you, that's going to go a further way, a

1:12:21 Speaker 1: longer way than if they were to prove it to

1:12:23 Speaker 1: someone like Chris Bloodsoe already kind of you know, knows

1:12:27 Speaker 1: it or believes it. So and that's as I do.

1:12:32 Speaker 3: Yeah, now, what I'm not gonna do It takes some

1:12:35 Speaker 3: kind of psychedelic that I think that or like good

1:12:39 Speaker 3: in some kind of trans state. I mean, and personally

1:12:43 Speaker 3: I'm not trying to do any of this myself either,

1:12:45 Speaker 3: but that's I do hear that that's what some of

1:12:47 Speaker 3: this activity is. And look, I mean if you're in

1:12:50 Speaker 3: a if you're if you're impaired through some form of drug,

1:12:54 Speaker 3: how do you even how?

1:12:56 Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know how.

1:12:57 Speaker 3: You can ascertain that what you're seeing is really there.

1:13:00 Speaker 3: So that's just something I'm not going to participate in.

1:13:04 Speaker 3: If if asked, if.

1:13:06 Speaker 1: I just wanted to understood, yeah, no, totally. I mean

1:13:11 Speaker 1: because there are people like Gallum we're doing studies about

1:13:14 Speaker 1: extended d mt US and trying to map that world. Uh,

1:13:19 Speaker 1: you know, I've been there and I can assure you

1:13:23 Speaker 1: you don't have to go there. I can try to

1:13:26 Speaker 1: tell you as best I can that it is. It

1:13:30 Speaker 1: feels as real as this right here, if not more real.

1:13:37 Speaker 1: I'm actually color blind, and I was seeing colors. I

1:13:41 Speaker 1: don't know if they exist all the time, but I

1:13:44 Speaker 1: was seeing colors that that I'd never seen before in

1:13:48 Speaker 1: my life, and I haven't seen since, so I don't know.

1:13:52 Speaker 1: I definitely went somewhere else and there was another being.

1:13:58 Speaker 1: There was a being there. It was a cloaked figure.

1:14:02 Speaker 1: When walked up to it, it looked at me. I

1:14:07 Speaker 1: looked at it. No words were spoken, but I knew

1:14:12 Speaker 1: that this thing, It's like, what are you doing here?

1:14:16 Speaker 1: You're not supposed to be here. And I remember getting

1:14:19 Speaker 1: upset with the being the thing, like who are you

1:14:24 Speaker 1: to tell me I can't be here? And then boom

1:14:28 Speaker 1: snapped back to my earthly body. And I mean, I'm

1:14:33 Speaker 1: a skeptic. I'm skeptical like you, you know, I'm very

1:14:38 Speaker 1: trying to see it, see it, to believe it, and

1:14:41 Speaker 1: that it was just it was the craziest experience I've

1:14:44 Speaker 1: ever had. And it was fifteen minutes, and it felt

1:14:49 Speaker 1: like I went somewhere else. I mean truly, So I

1:14:52 Speaker 1: would just say, you know, h I think there's something

1:14:55 Speaker 1: to explore there. Then that maybe not what your job is.

1:14:59 Speaker 1: You know, that's not where you want to focus. And

1:15:01 Speaker 1: that's okay.

1:15:05 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll leave that to you.

1:15:07 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and and and and you know, again, it's

1:15:10 Speaker 1: it's kind of dicey even talking about it, because again

1:15:14 Speaker 1: it's it's not the most legal thing. Uh. So many

1:15:17 Speaker 1: Americans are feeling disillusioned. Uh. They hear congressional testimony whistleblowers

1:15:24 Speaker 1: like David Grush, but no follow up. What do you

1:15:28 Speaker 1: say to people that are losing faith in the process.

1:15:33 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know how you say that there's no

1:15:35 Speaker 2: follow up. I mean I basically spent the last.

1:15:37 Speaker 3: Two years following up and and now not getting to

1:15:42 Speaker 3: a lot of dead ends. But but but look, I mean,

1:15:45 Speaker 3: we we're doing as much work as we possibly can,

1:15:49 Speaker 3: and I and I.

1:15:51 Speaker 2: Think that we do.

1:15:52 Speaker 3: I think right now I feel probably more confident that

1:15:55 Speaker 3: we're going to get some answers than we have before

1:15:58 Speaker 3: that I have before. But I'm starting to see a

1:16:02 Speaker 3: loosening of the swamp, if you will. Like I'm starting

1:16:05 Speaker 3: to see things like different postures and different attitudes when

1:16:09 Speaker 3: we're when we're making these requests than before. So I

1:16:13 Speaker 3: do think that the the the climate right now is

1:16:17 Speaker 3: much better than it was two years ago.

1:16:20 Speaker 1: Wells, I think that's fair. And and when I said

1:16:23 Speaker 1: no follow up, I just mean, well, that's I don't Yeah,

1:16:27 Speaker 1: I don't mean that to you.

1:16:28 Speaker 2: I know, Yeah, And that's what I look. I get it.

1:16:31 Speaker 2: Like I'm frustrated too.

1:16:33 Speaker 3: I would love for this to just be over and

1:16:35 Speaker 3: to have definitively and be able to say, my god,

1:16:38 Speaker 3: it's real and but but but that's not where I'm at.

1:16:42 Speaker 3: So we're just going to keep going and keep researching

1:16:46 Speaker 3: it figure out what it is.

1:16:48 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I again, I I do commend you. I

1:16:51 Speaker 1: really do. And if you could, if you could get

1:16:56 Speaker 1: one straight answer from the intelligence community with zero O obstruction,

1:17:01 Speaker 1: what question would you ask?

1:17:06 Speaker 3: What I would what I want to see is I

1:17:08 Speaker 3: want to see physically either a crash vehicle or or

1:17:14 Speaker 3: the bodies. I'd want to That's that if I could

1:17:17 Speaker 3: get one thing, That's what I would want is to

1:17:19 Speaker 3: have be able to see that firsthand. Because to me,

1:17:25 Speaker 3: even just getting testimony, if I if I had if

1:17:30 Speaker 3: I had a briefing and and they just you know,

1:17:35 Speaker 3: disclosed information. Look, I've been in a skiff where people

1:17:38 Speaker 3: have said things, but at the end of the day,

1:17:40 Speaker 3: it's their narrative and it's their experience. So I think

1:17:45 Speaker 3: that I want to see if we have real tangible

1:17:49 Speaker 3: physical photos or videos or or objects.

1:17:54 Speaker 2: Yeah.

1:17:54 Speaker 1: Yeah, and and so do you do you or in

1:18:01 Speaker 1: your opinion, is the one truth or data point? Oh okay,

1:18:05 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I read past that. What in your opinion

1:18:09 Speaker 1: is the one truth or data point that, if made public,

1:18:14 Speaker 1: could fundamentally shift the conversation on the UAP subject. Is

1:18:18 Speaker 1: it what you just said?

1:18:19 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, because that's at the end of the day.

1:18:23 Speaker 3: Until you get to that point, it's all just additional stories.

1:18:29 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, I will agree. And I think that's

1:18:32 Speaker 1: what the public wants, is they want some of this thing.

1:18:35 Speaker 1: They want they it rolled out onto the Congressional floor

1:18:39 Speaker 1: in the in the Longfellow Building and and you know,

1:18:42 Speaker 1: passed around the room. That's what people are really I

1:18:47 Speaker 1: think it's gonna take eventually, you know. And and I

1:18:51 Speaker 1: don't think that that's I don't think that that's realistic

1:18:54 Speaker 1: right now. I don't. I don't know why, but I

1:18:59 Speaker 1: just I don't so, I mean, it is interesting. If

1:19:07 Speaker 1: we'll see, you've had many people come to you now,

1:19:12 Speaker 1: I'm sure, like you've said in this interview several times, now,

1:19:16 Speaker 1: you're getting people coming up to you probably all the

1:19:19 Speaker 1: time telling you stories of their own encounters. Is there

1:19:24 Speaker 1: anything that is there any one in particular that sticks

1:19:27 Speaker 1: out with you and you don't have to give names,

1:19:29 Speaker 1: but is there anything that really sticks out to you

1:19:33 Speaker 1: that is like that's weird.

1:19:38 Speaker 3: Yeah, again, I'll just this comes from my like, it's

1:19:43 Speaker 3: interesting how often again it comes up, the spiritual connection

1:19:47 Speaker 3: spoken with one individual that is completely anonymous and it

1:19:52 Speaker 3: wants to remain that way. Who has been providing valuable

1:19:57 Speaker 3: information to the federal government, which is why I got

1:20:01 Speaker 3: connected to him? And he says that he has what

1:20:06 Speaker 3: he describes as these beings that are inter intra or

1:20:11 Speaker 3: extra dimensional, that are sending him a message through some

1:20:16 Speaker 3: form of broadcast that he's able to receive and it

1:20:19 Speaker 3: has changed his worldview. He went from being a went

1:20:25 Speaker 3: from being a you know, he's you know, of Jewish

1:20:29 Speaker 3: faith to being he was an atheist before this, before

1:20:34 Speaker 3: these encounters happened, and through these encounters learned that the

1:20:39 Speaker 3: the that the that the narrative about Jesus is real,

1:20:44 Speaker 3: and suddenly started, you know, without having read the Bible,

1:20:49 Speaker 3: started because of what he was being communicated, started started

1:20:55 Speaker 3: believing that. And so, which which I found to be

1:20:59 Speaker 3: extremely interesting. That was a very it was a very

1:21:01 Speaker 3: different conversation than I've ever had before.

1:21:04 Speaker 2: But but I.

1:21:06 Speaker 3: Do get some you know, we've had some very Michael

1:21:09 Speaker 3: Herrera had a meeting with him. He's got a very

1:21:12 Speaker 3: interesting story that he's mostly public.

1:21:14 Speaker 1: Yeah, I had him on the show here. Yeah, so

1:21:18 Speaker 1: and and and you know, kind of the reverse side

1:21:20 Speaker 1: of that, which I find, you know, to be really

1:21:24 Speaker 1: really crazy, was the Jake Barber story, you know, because

1:21:27 Speaker 1: it was the other side of the Herrera story. And

1:21:32 Speaker 1: you know, I don't know if you heard about this,

1:21:35 Speaker 1: but Jake Barber, you know, when he was retrieving some

1:21:39 Speaker 1: sort of vehicle, he said that an orb passed through

1:21:43 Speaker 1: his body and and again this is his narrative, but

1:21:48 Speaker 1: the orb passed through his body and he had this

1:21:52 Speaker 1: overwhelming like he was like crying, like couldn't hold back

1:21:56 Speaker 1: the tears, like it just he felt like engulfed and

1:22:00 Speaker 1: love and positivity. And that's similar to like what Chris

1:22:04 Speaker 1: Bloodshell says as well. So, I mean you and and

1:22:09 Speaker 1: you know, you just put these things together and it's

1:22:11 Speaker 1: pretty wild.

1:22:13 Speaker 2: Yeah it is.

1:22:14 Speaker 3: That's definitely important. And it's like, look, it's their experience.

1:22:17 Speaker 3: It's and it's not something that they have evidence of.

1:22:21 Speaker 3: It's just it's once again. But but yeah, it's You've

1:22:25 Speaker 3: got a lot of people that have had some interesting encounters.

1:22:29 Speaker 3: I'll tell you at the end of the day, Like

1:22:32 Speaker 3: I my some people ask me why are you doing this?

1:22:35 Speaker 3: And look, if you look at my bandwidth and what

1:22:38 Speaker 3: we're working on. I'm doing everything from like studying small

1:22:42 Speaker 3: module and nuclear reactors how we can like deregulate some

1:22:45 Speaker 3: of those so that we can you know, advance our

1:22:47 Speaker 3: manufacturing industry.

1:22:48 Speaker 2: I'm looking at.

1:22:50 Speaker 3: Regulations related to the EPA, looking at regulations that affect

1:22:54 Speaker 3: our transportation, infrastructure and and and have a lot of

1:22:59 Speaker 3: bills related to a lot of topics that that are

1:23:02 Speaker 3: extremely extremely important to our economy and our society and

1:23:08 Speaker 3: businesses and individual rights in the United States. I fight

1:23:12 Speaker 3: for a lot of Second Amendment topics. You do, and

1:23:15 Speaker 3: so but but I'll tell you that, I mean when

1:23:19 Speaker 3: people say, well, look, why focus on this, it's a

1:23:24 Speaker 3: there's money being spent, b this may be a national

1:23:28 Speaker 3: security issue of great importance. And then and then see

1:23:33 Speaker 3: it's also it's really interesting. I'll tell you, like I've

1:23:36 Speaker 3: never it's never boring. Having a conversation where someone says

1:23:42 Speaker 3: the extra dimensional beings are talking to through him is

1:23:47 Speaker 3: pretty it's not your every.

1:23:49 Speaker 2: Day right, And that was not that was not a

1:23:52 Speaker 2: conversation I had before. Get you know, getting in this.

1:23:55 Speaker 1: Job so right, right, and as a member of Congress,

1:23:59 Speaker 1: like I can't even imagine being elected as into being

1:24:04 Speaker 1: a member of Congress. And then all of a sudden,

1:24:07 Speaker 1: you're you're you're leading the charge for UAPs, which I

1:24:11 Speaker 1: mean in our last conversation, I believe maybe I'm misquoting you,

1:24:17 Speaker 1: but you didn't really have like too much of a

1:24:20 Speaker 1: thought on it before all of this.

1:24:25 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, this was not something I mean, yeah, it wasn't.

1:24:29 Speaker 2: It wasn't a priority. It was being in this Oversight committee,

1:24:33 Speaker 2: having that first hearing with David Grush is what kind

1:24:35 Speaker 2: of launched me on this trail.

1:24:37 Speaker 3: And look, I my attitude is if we're going to

1:24:40 Speaker 3: do it, let's do it. And that's why I kind

1:24:42 Speaker 3: of kind of jumped in and kind of tried to

1:24:44 Speaker 3: at least push because I don't. What became clear to

1:24:49 Speaker 3: me is that this is never going to go anywhere.

1:24:51 Speaker 3: No one's ever going to get any answers given the

1:24:54 Speaker 3: posture that we have today or back.

1:24:56 Speaker 2: In two years ago.

1:24:58 Speaker 3: And so if if you're gonna get any make any headway,

1:25:01 Speaker 3: you've got to be aggressive, got to get heads down

1:25:05 Speaker 3: and push do I've got just a little bit more time,

1:25:10 Speaker 3: but I need to.

1:25:11 Speaker 2: Jump off here.

1:25:12 Speaker 1: Okay, all right, so I'll start wrapping up. I. I

1:25:16 Speaker 1: do appreciate your time. I really do. I you're one

1:25:20 Speaker 1: of the coolest people. Do you think that a lot

1:25:25 Speaker 1: of the I mean, there's a lot going on in

1:25:27 Speaker 1: the world right now, you know, conflict in other countries,

1:25:33 Speaker 1: you know, uh, everything that's going on geopolitically, it seems

1:25:38 Speaker 1: very volatile. Uh. Do you think that that stuff does

1:25:41 Speaker 1: need to be solved prior to any disclosure or can

1:25:45 Speaker 1: it be something that ends up uniting the world.

1:25:51 Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, we have a large federal government.

1:25:54 Speaker 3: There's no reason why we can't do both, right, So

1:25:56 Speaker 3: they can't focus on let the Secretary state and let

1:26:00 Speaker 3: let this you know, that division that that branch and

1:26:05 Speaker 3: and their efforts deal with the you know, diplomacy with

1:26:09 Speaker 3: other countries. But at the end of the day, we've

1:26:12 Speaker 3: we've got people that are already investigating this, We've got

1:26:16 Speaker 3: intelligence within the intelligence community, they've got information. We there's

1:26:20 Speaker 3: no reason why we can't we can't address both both.

1:26:24 Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, and and lastly, if there's anything that that

1:26:30 Speaker 1: you want people to walk away with knowing you know,

1:26:36 Speaker 1: what would that be from from your involvement in this topic,

1:26:40 Speaker 1: what what do you want to walk away have them

1:26:42 Speaker 1: walk away with from tonight's conversation.

1:26:45 Speaker 3: What I want people to know is like that this

1:26:48 Speaker 3: is we're not going to get anywhere unless people get

1:26:50 Speaker 3: out and push. Right so the car imagine this way,

1:26:55 Speaker 3: the car is stalled and you're going to have to

1:26:58 Speaker 3: get out and push.

1:26:59 Speaker 2: Maybe we can get it kickstarted.

1:27:02 Speaker 3: But if but what I mean by that is you

1:27:04 Speaker 3: gotta start reaching out.

1:27:06 Speaker 2: You got to like use social media, you gotta.

1:27:07 Speaker 3: Start demanding yep, from from elected officials all the way

1:27:12 Speaker 3: up to the White House. Make it a priority. Make

1:27:15 Speaker 3: it clear that this is a priority to you. Otherwise

1:27:18 Speaker 3: people know there's no one's gonna spend any time on it.

1:27:21 Speaker 3: And anybody that is like myself is questioned as to

1:27:24 Speaker 3: why you're spending time on.

1:27:25 Speaker 1: This absolutely representative. Thank you so much for spending uh,

1:27:32 Speaker 1: you know, this time with me today, and I really

1:27:35 Speaker 1: look forward to seeing you, you know, when the hearings

1:27:38 Speaker 1: do happen. I'll definitely be there and uh, you know,

1:27:41 Speaker 1: I hope to be able to talk to you then

1:27:43 Speaker 1: and pull you guys aside, uh and if you guys

1:27:46 Speaker 1: need anything and pointing in the right direction. There's several

1:27:50 Speaker 1: people that, uh that I know of that could be

1:27:53 Speaker 1: of use to you, uh in terms of direct knowledge.

1:27:57 Speaker 1: So I just want to say again, thank you and

1:28:01 Speaker 1: thank you for everyone being here. For everyone who's listening

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1:28:17 Speaker 2: Tyler.

1:28:18 Speaker 1: All right, we'll talk so