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Total Disclosure. We're here to kick it off with someone that I recently have
just opened a dialogue with, Don Clarius. But we're going to get so
much further into it. Don is an investigative reporter, UH, a video
producer. He is a retired UH news reporter and anchor, and he was
also a spokesperson UH for the Air Force UH while in reserves. So UH
with that being said, we are going to add in uh mister Don Clarius.
Uh. Don, it is absolutely wonderful to have you here today.
That video lit your your your sighting and you know your your UH experience and
relating it to other cases. I really like how you did that, and
I think it gave the audience or will give the audience a real uh taste
as to what we're about to discuss, and that is you know, your
your career and what you went through and why you are a part of this
community. So I would just like to begin. Maybe you can give us
a bit about your background with the Air Force and being a spokesperson and what
that entails. Laid in life to become an officer was over thirty, and
so I was exposed to things that made me ashamed to be an American.
I was trained in disinformation. Disinformation is deliberate deception. Misinformation is just being
misinformed. But I was I'm also a coward and I didn't want to face
court martial, so I went along with the program. But I always felt
tremendous guilt and I still cannot talk about the things that I did right.
And I've had you know, OSI Agent Richard Dodie on the show, and
it sounds like where it sounds like a similar scenario where it's you were you
had to do the job that you were told to do and if you didn't
you would face severe, severe repercussions. Not so what other choice do you
have? And why I just you know, I really like the Air Force
background from you, because they the Air Force in general they are the quietest
when it comes to the UAP topic. Why Why is that so? The
Navy's been very open. Other agencies, even border patrol as released videos and
stuff. Why is the Air Force so silent? I don't understand it myself.
I'm still mulling it over. I know that are you familiar with the
term false flag? Yes? Absolutely. Modern day UFO sightings now called UAPs
started I think in nineteen forty seven with Rob Well. Well, that was
not the first in modern times. That was actually there was a spacecraft that
landed in the Black Forest in Germany in the late nineteen thirties. And I
think that I know that Hitler had not planned to start World War Two until
nineteen forty two. So what motivated him to start early in nineteen thirty nine.
Well, I think it was the information that he got from back engineering
that saucer, right, But the sightings of extraterrestrial spacecraft have have been around
forever. We call them flying saucers. The ancient Greeks called them flying shields.
And there was a spacecraft that crash landed in Texas in eighteen ninety seven
and the people who found its pilot recognized that this is not human, and
yet this is so high tech, high tech. At the time, people
believed in advanced culture on Mars, so they reported it as a Martian and
he was buried given a Christian burial in the I don't remember the name of
the town in Texas, but it doesn't matter anyway. The government came in
and removed the body when people started to talk about it, and they started
to use metal detectors the people who were going to expose it, and that
cannot happen anymore because the evidence was removed. So I believe it was Aurora,
Texas. That's it. Yes, Aurora, Yeah, Aurora in the
I'm not don't quote me, but April eighteen nineties, I believe, eighteen
ninety seven. Oh yeah, okay, so yeah, eighteen ninety seven.
So, which is a wild, wild case to even think about. I
mean, I'm of the belief that the Air Force, I mean, we
know that the the Roswell Army Air Force or that base had something happen right
the Army Airfield. They responded to something in nineteen forty seven that sparked modern
day uphology. It let it down its path. And I mean, of
course there's ancient aliens, and you know, they talk about how we've never
been alone. That's not necessarily out of the realm of possibilities. I think
that's that's that's fair to say, fair to explore, and I think it's
naive not to What I want to get to with you is that you're you're
an investigator, right you you worked with the Air Force. You know some
things that maybe you definitely can't talk about what continues to drive you and when
I want to get into your sighting in a few minutes, But what got
you on this beat and what is keeping you here? Well, I'm just
intrigued with what were the false information that we're told, the misinformation, the
disinformation we're told. And I'm intrigued with the attitude of our government because they
think that we can't handle the truth. In nineteen sixty the government realized that
we're about to start space exploration. What do we do when we find proof
of extraterrestrial high intelligence? It was called the Hoover Commission, and very quickly
they said, don't talk about it, cover it up, lie about it,
because they think we can't handle the truth. And I disagree. I
think that we can handle the truth if it's presented logically and safely. I
worked with a NASA subcontractor before we went to the Moon. I was a
lab assistant for the head of NASA's Interplanetary Probe Division. He was doctor Paul
Gast, Columbia University's graduate school. He was also a member of the landing
site selection committee. Now, before we could send people to the Moon,
we needed to pick out landing sites. So we sent three unmanned probes.
You know, when would go to orbits the Earth, it's called a satellite,
but when it goes somewhere else, it's called a probe. The final
probe that I did not work on was the Surveyor Lander that was preceded by
a lunar orbiter. But I worked on the first project, Project Ranger.
And it sounds silly, but we would crash rockets into the And when you
look at the pictures that were sent back, rather than the screen turning the
snow, that is loss of signal. It doesn't what we found. We
found things on the Moon that should not be there structures or there are We
found forty four sites on the lunar surface with artificial structures. Wow. And
we were lied to in terms of we were told that we sent the missions
to the Moon to check out the terrain. That's not true. We sent
them there to explore those sites. In fact, up until recently, there
was a video of the first two astronauts on the Moon, Apollo eleven,
walking through an ancient space lunar base and on the horizon you can see the
lunar lander. They knew it was there, and lunar orbiter photographed details of
structures on the Moon, and the pictures are incredible. They found pyramids,
towers. In fact, I'm sorry this is so disorganized, but the Second
Soviet when Russia was communist, it was called the Soviet Union. The second
Soviet probe to the Moon photographed a five mile high tower made of glass.
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or on the screen official When we landed on the Moon in nineteen sixty nine,
we touched down and then it was seven hours, seven hours before the
astronauts walked outside. There were two There was two minutes of silence on the
radio frequency, implying that we had lost contact, but no. Neil Armstrong
had switched to the medical channel because he found something on the Moon that he
could not talk about and let the public know. He said, there are
spaceships lined up along the creator watching us, watch it. What do we
do? And this has been confirmed by a middle management NASA employee who has
since met with an unfortunate accident. And that kind of thing happens all the
time in our government, and it's it's just shameful. Yeah. And I
think you know a good friend of mine, Tim Burchett, Representative out of
Tennessee second District, And and the UAP Caucus, uh, you know,
when they asked David Grush, have people been murdered two or have people been
injured, murdered, et cetera to keep the secret flat out said yes.
And that is a major concern that that why is the secrecy so so tight
that they're willing to kill to keep it? Now? You said earlier that
you think the public is ready. What if the implications of the phenomena are
much more profound than just simply aliens coming from different planet. I think everyone
could wrap their head around that. But what if they have a part to
play in why we're here in the first place. Should the created know it's
creator? Could that be an existential threat? I think these are all questions
we have to ask. And you know there's these also these mythical not mythical,
but there's these cryptids, these these creatures that have been said to be
seen throughout the world all over of various sizes. Uh, you know,
from three feet all the way to ten feet tall. Eighte men, We're
taught the world is very black and white, but I'm seeing a lot of
gray. Yes, So what is your best guess as to I mean,
this seems to be multiple phenomena and not just a phenomenon. Well, the
Minister of Defense of Canada, Paul Hellier, was very open. He since
passed away, but he was very open about the fact that there are seven
different extraterrestrial civilizations with whom we are in contact. And I believe him.
And as far as there was a book published somebody Else's on the Moon and
it shows photographs, unmistakable photographs that have been documented as legitimate, and I
don't know why that's not being reported more openly. We sent I think we've
been to the Moon, not landing, but to the Moon about ten times,
maybe nine, and there were only six landings. There were to be
more butt a lot more, right, a lot if I'm not mistaken.
They had plans for up until Apollo sixteen. There's actually Apollo twenty two,
but we stopped at Apollo seventeen. So they canceled at least at least five
missions because they quote unquote ran out of money. The money right. Also,
the viewership on Apollo eleven was off the scale. It plummeted with Apollo
twelve old news, then it rose up again on Apollo thirteen because that was
the one that almost didn't make it back, and then to plummet it again
on Apollo fourteen. So the government just determined its space budget based on public
interest and the fact that nobody cares anymore. That meant we we shouldn't be
spending the money. But we spent thirty billion dollars to get to the Moon,
and that's a lot more than that in today's dollars. That was sixty
years ago. Yeah, with inflation, we'd be there and it would be
perhaps one hundred billion two hundred billion today and to money. And you got
to ask yourself why, aside from the official narrative of oh, we decided
and deemed that it wasn't feasible to keep going, is there a chance that
you think that we were told do not come back here. Yes, like
physically do not come back here. There's two schools of thought on that.
One is that, yes, we were told that. The other is that
in the interim sixty years we had negotiated with whoever's on the moon, and
we've reached an agreement. Perhaps we can go these places, but not those
places. On the lunar's surface is something called helium three. Helium three is
abundant on them. I think they have about one hundred million tons of helium
three on the Moon and only fifteen tons on Earth. Fifteen tons on Earth
one hundred and fifty million tons on the Moon. And helium three is significant
because it is the solution door energy needs. I don't understand technologically what it
would do. But cold fusion struggling to invent cold fusion, which is the
combining of atoms. For example, when you combine two helium atoms into hydrogen,
two hydrogen atoms into helium that helium, that's called fusion. Yes,
when you split the atom, that's called fission fishing yep. And all our
nuclear power plants are fission fishing, and want we want fusion. And there
was I believe there was a bit of a breakthrough recently about fusion, but
it was very menace school. But it seems that what if what you're saying
is true, that the Moon could possibly be are a key source of advancing
that and tremendous it would Now, then you've got to ask, while,
well, NASA, why aren't you going to invest in that and go out
and and so what's preventing us? And I know we have missions to the
Moon planned by SpaceX and NASA separately and together. You know, maybe we
got I don't know what's happening there with that, but it seems just very
weird that we haven't been back in so long when it seems the capability that
we did it with in sixty nine. Are our cell phones more complex than
some of those technologies that we landed with? So how is it? How
is it now that we're struggling and how there's a very powerful lobby in America,
the petroleum industry, And that's why I believe that's why we have not
pursued There has been so much opposition to pursuing cold fusion. I think it's
I'm convinced it's by the oil industry. Because they would lose trillions of dollars.
Yeah, and this is something that's been coming up a lot with with
the oil industry being uh, it's it's almost like, uh in a way,
hemp and paper regular like you know, bark the paper mills that cut
trees down. Uh. They basically ran the campaign against it, against hemp
by labeling it, you know, a drug and you know, calling it
marijuana, which was the name for you know, wild Mexican tobacco, saying
that it did all these things. And it was basically a ploy to get
hemp out of the picture. Not necessarily cannabis, but it was hemp that
that that started, uh, the the process and greed by the people who
are in the paper mill industry. So are we seeing that again in the
energy industry now? And why? So it seems ridiculous that we're still running
on fossil fuels when it's such a primitive and we talk about like, oh,
you know, we're reverse engineering you know, they're talking about it in
Congress now, we're reverse engineering UFOs and all this stuffs out in the open
kind of it's like where, well, okay, where is it then?
Right? Where is it in the public sector. I don't see free energy
anywhere. So is it the patent off? Is it the military who's stopping
it from being open sourced? I think American industry. And you know,
we talk about the chemical propulsion rockets that we inherited from the Nazis. We
never talk about the anti gravity they were working on anti gravity. And I've
heard from reliable sources that the United States has had anti gravity drive since the
mid nineteen fifties. Why then did we go to the Moon with chemical rockets
if we have anti gravity drive? Well, the reason is that we don't
want anyone to know that we have anti gravity drive. So here we've blown
trillions of dollars on chemical rockets. Meanwhile, we could have gotten there with
anti gravity drive in a matter of hours, not days. That's and that's
troubling. That's troubling for a lot of reasons. Because you know Colombia,
right ah yet, I mean people lost their lives, and if that didn't
if and that's a ramification, right because if it comes out that we've had
that technology since you know, because if I'm not mistaken, anti gravity was
in all the popular science magazines all all the way up until a certain point
and then it just fell off. It disappeared. No one was talking about
it anymore in the science community, and that's when a lot of people think
that the breakthrough was made. Whether it was reverse engineering UFOs is you know,
left for debate on another stage. But if we have anti gravity technology,
my next question is, are some of the UFOs that we're seeing now
man made? Yes, some some and what you know, what would you
say to someone who thinks that, you know, like like a doctor Greer
that says that most of like the tik tak sightings and stuff like that,
are Lockheed programs. I think it's quite possible they are. The reason I
say most is that you have always have been seen for thousands of years,
thousands of years, and there's no way that it could have been. For
example of Alexander the Great and three hundred BC or so in try to invade
India, and out of nowhere, this flying shield he called it came and
sent a ray particle beam weapon destroying the wall of the city they were invading,
and his soldiers were terrified, and the elephants were terrified, and so
they just took off running. But my point is, I think I've my
point all, the opposition to advancement in technology, as far as I can
see, is from our own industries. In the nineteen thirties, I think
it was it was the number one general in the Marine Corps, Smithley Butler
wrote a book War Is a Racket, and he itemized that every war we
fought is to protect American economic interests, whether it's the United Fruit Company or
petroleum companies. And every war has been fought to protect America's assets, access
to oil, and to protect American industry in foreign countries, especially Central America
and Cuba. And for that reason he was passed over to be a member
of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Wow. And and and you know,
I think it's I think it is fair to say that that is an accurate
statement that you know, we even see this today. You know, Biden
just signed it to another ten year deal that we would keep funding Ukraine like
for ten for ten years. Why shouldn't we be negotiating to stop it,
yes, not to keep funding it. And then with with Palestine and Israel,
it's even worse. We're giving money to both sides. I mean,
like what, how how can the justification be made when on our homeland,
There are veterans that are homeless. There are shanty towns being built in almost
every major city across the United States. Our border is wide open, yes,
and and it's hard to talk about these topics like UFOs and stuff when
there are real, real problems. And the debate was just a couple of
nights ago. It was treacherous. Neither of those presidents are fit for disclosure,
that's for sure. I'll say that right off the bat. They would
not be able to handle a disclosure event. And that worries me because I
think that we are headed on a path that will lead to the public knowing
that we are not alone in the universe. I want it. In the
opening of the show, I noticed a clip of President Reagan addressing the United
Nations. Aren't we already facing a threat from outside the Earth? And in
his private diary he wrote about we now have the technology to put three hundred
people in orbit. Yeah, and that there's something called the secret space program
and we have I believe that there is a secret space program. There are
witnesses within NASA who insists that they saw one of our mars Landers. She
was monitoring the mars Lander and she saw a human being walking up to the
Mars lander. Yeah, and she reported that to her supervisor and the supervisor
said, you were imagining it. And she went back to the office where
she had just been and they had already changed the locks, but a block
the view so she could not even see inside the office. There was remember
the video I mentioned about the lunar base. Yes, it's a fuzzy image.
Well it was, and so they took it off YouTube, but that
was smuggled out by a whistleblower in NASA. And she took the picture from
a TV monitor. Now, a monitor is extremely high to finish television set.
That's why it's a little boring. But still you can say by the
movement that that is lunar gravity. You can see enough details on buzz Aldron
suit to see yes, that is buzz Aldron. Right. And they also
had something we now call steady cam. It's it's routine in the entertainment industry
now it steadies the image. But it did not exist in nineteen sixty nine
in the public, but the military had it right, insanely insanely stable image.
Yes, and we know we know with DARPA that a lot of a
lot of things that we use now in you know, take for granted,
like the Internet. I mean, DARPA had the Internet in fifty nine,
sixty nine or something like that. You know, they had some form of
Internet they I mean, they essentially came up with email with packaging fresh nerds
and that. We won't get into that. But packaging is basically when you
send a large amount of data, but you break it up into smaller packages,
send them individually through the network, and then it reassembles on the other
side. That is still used to this day. And that's darper technology.
So and DARPA is a lot of Do you know Darcy ware No, the
filmmaker. He's made a lot of films about the Secret Space Program and I've
learned a lot watching his films, talking to him and then talking to witnesses
that are in his films about this secret space program. I absolutely agree and
believe that it exists. It is. So my next question to you.
You talked earlier about civilizations. Alien civilizations that we know of we recently found
evidence of, like DIYCE in Sphear's potential seven of them. We've talked about
seven different alien civilizations. Do you think that there is some sort of federation.
Uh, absolutely, because do you in uh, you know who Gene
Roddenberry was, Yes, the creator of Star Trek. Before he was in
entertainment, he was in the army and he was involved in the interrogation of
a man who I'm not don't I don't know how to describe it, but
yeah, the man's the men whom they were interrogating revealed that there was a
federation of nine different civilizations and they call it the Federation. And that inspired
Jean Roddenberry to come up with the Galactic Federation. And then and then this
is important, I like to and I'm so thankful that you brought that up
unprompted, because everyone thinks, oh my god, you're you know, you're
just you're you're taking it to see like Star Trek and you're imposting it on
real life. It's like no, no, no, no, no no.
Yes, art imitates life and and vice versa. But the classic alien,
I don't have it in back of me yet. Uh. This is
a new studio, but the classic archetypal alien that was a product of real,
real life inspiration. Jay Allen Heinek and and his his project Blue Book
was basically, you know, a source material for Third Encounters or or I'm
sorry, Close Encounters. I just I don't know why I botched that Encounters
was based on an actual event at Holloman Air Force Base, spaceship landed exactly,
So the art imitated life, not the other way around. Like people
think it's not that Hollywood is. Hollywood's actually getting it right. And so
I'm thankful you brought that up because when people talk about this, this galactic
federation, they're like, oh my god, that is so star Trek,
and it's like, you don't understand though, that if there are multiple alien
races visiting us, there's going to be some hierarchy involved in it, or
we would see fighting, and like it would just be evident that that that
there was chaos, because that that's just how things work. I want to
know if how into what degree we humans are involved. Well, I'm not
sure I've heard that. For example, there was a I cannot think of
his name, but he broke into hacked into secret files on the Internet and
he saw a file Gary McKinnon. Yeah, that's it off planet officers.
Yes, very very yeah, it was a non terrestrial office. That's nonterrestrial.
And and that is like, I mean that, what does that say
to you? That means literally they're either an orbit or on another world,
the only two things that can mean there's there's a thing else or they're extraterrestrials
taking on human identity, right and then and and and that's where it gets
to interesting. And I believe that case, you know, I I truly
think that there was Ah, I'm glad that they didn't they weren't able to
extradite him, but I am glad that they tried to because it showed that
he stumbled onto something. Right, they would not have just not wanted to
be revealed exactly. And why do you think that they're not more vigilant when
it comes to people like you. You're clearly coming on here, you know,
formerly a spokesperson for the Air Force. Even this may be the turning
point in that they may they may come after me, right because I've not
I've not spoken publicly before, yes, and and that and I wanted to
preface that this and that conversation that you that you haven't uh spoken like this
in this format before, which I did not. I did not reveal any
of my personal feelings. As a member of the Air Force Reserve, I
was trained in the science, the science of disinformation, but I always felt
enormous guilt misleading the people. In my opinion, we should not give out
miss disinformation. We should say I'm sorry that that's classified. I can't talk
about it. It's for the good of national security, right. But what
I was told to do, and I'm ashamed to say I went along with
it, was if I'm holding a press conference and the reporter asks a question
that gets too close to the truth, Sir, you've been reading too much
science fiction. Do you have a real question? Yeah, And I'm sorry
to say. I was good at it. That's why I kept promoted in
record time. But I always I just felt such guilt. And I was
so relieved when my position was eliminated. Not I was fired. I was
doing very very well at it, but my position it was a major Defense
Department budget cut during the Reagan administration, and my position was eliminated. And
that's when is that is that when you went to investigative reporting. And actually,
I've been an investigative reporter in my heart. I've been an investigative reporter
since the third grade, when when my when my third grade teacher taught that
told the class that Columbus had proved the world was round. My hand went
up and I said, no, that was Magellan and she said, no,
Magellan was killed in the Philippines. Yes, but his expedition continued to
Portugal. And that's when I realized that teachers are just passing on the misinformation
that they were taught. Yeah, it's it's the problem of our history books
is they are written by people, and people can swayed, people have agendas.
That's why I think the Internet is done. That's why I think we're
in the age that we're in is because now we do not it's you're not
necessarily tied to you know, what your teachers taught you, or you know
what you can find in a library. You can you know, you basically
can go searching and find people that are like minded. And I have an
honest question to ask you, as a person, as a member of the
Air Force in the military, in your expert opinion, if the government and
this includes the military because I'm i'm military industrial complex, Let's just say,
do you think if they saw what the internet was going to become what it
is, right, now would they have allowed it. No, no way,
not a chance, no way. There's and that's I think it's very
telling because they that's one of the things that keeps people and we see this
in mainstream media. One of the best ways to keep people distracted is to
pit them against each other, right, right, And so you said you
were very good at that. Yeah, that that and that comes with a
tremendous amount. I mean, if you're a human being with actual like a
moral compass, and I want I want to say this to you genuinely.
I'm sorry. I'm sorry that you had to go through that. I'm sorry
that you had to lie or or misguide the public. But I want to
talk about when it goes from investigator to the investigated. When when when you
become the story you've had your own sighting of a of a cryptid creature?
Can you I want to round us off. I would like to have more
conversations with you. I know you have a limited time today, but I
want to dive in. I have another fifteen minutes, so go for it.
Yeah, So, can you talk to us about what you saw and
what what why, how it changed your life and what the ramifications of it.
All were what what happened. I was originally from New York. I
moved to California and spring Break and the Patterson film had been shot two and
a half years earlier, and a friend of mine and I wanted to go
where ahead been seen. Now when the creature, well have already told you
in the intro where we camped. It was at the edge of the forest.
Now the area has been called virtually impenetrable by World Explorers. There's three
levels. I mean there's the upper canopy, the thorn bushes on the ground,
and then there's all these fallen trees in the middle. And we were
each carrying about a fifty pounds backpack and we had only one mile from the
logging road east to Bluff Creek, and it took us four days to hike
that mile. Four days and total total silence. Now, this was the
spring. We should have heard animals, but we heard nothing. And I
didn't realize that that's the warning sign that s Watch is around somewhere. So
when we've got close enough to Bluff Creek that we could hear it, the
rapids we were on at that point, we were on a game trail because
we had not been on game show before that. We were forging our own
way and all of a sudden, from behind me, I hear a sound,
and I turn around and there's this tree about the size thickness of well,
actually my leg just wandering altra, swaying back and forth, and that's
all I saw. But it was startling because after four days of total silence,
it was startling. And then we went to Bluff Creek. We looked
for tracks. We were non well, animal tracks, yes, but no
no squatch footprints. So we we we set up camp about up up wind
from from the watering hole, and for three days we heard nothing. And
then the guy I was with was in experienced woodsman. That was my first
time backpacking, and I was at the swimming hole in the in the Bluff
Creek, about three hundred yards east of our campsite, and late in the
afternoon Ken came up to me and said, Donn, I don't like wherwork
camp too susceptible to flash floods. And that was ridiculous because it's impossible for
any rain at that time of year. But I could see in his eyes
fear something was back at camp that terrified him. So he asked how.
I asked how long before we can break camp? He said about forty five
minutes And I said, how far are we going to get after that?
Before the sun goes down? And he said, I see your point.
So for the first thing in the morning, we're leaving. He said,
well, then we went back to camp. Now the sun has gone down,
it's totally dark. The sandbar between the camp and the creek is strewn
with driftwood boulders. And then we hear this creature walking down the hill toward
us. And it may just be my imagination, but it seemed to be
walking on two legs. It was very heavy. I'm a musician, and
the sound of the branches crushing, crushed under its feet. I think the
branches must have been about that thick. That's a heavy animal. So I
grabbed my flashlight to see where the bear is, and that's not where I
saw. I saw two red eyes about eight feet off the ground, reflecting
my head of my flashlight. Now, we did our research. People who
go there with guns and ammo, they never run into sasquatch. The only
reason Roger Patterson and Bob Yimlin ran into sasquatch is that the smell of the
horses mashed the smell of the gun oil, and so we were careful not
to take guns. Well, that's you don't you don't go unprotected in the
wilderness. And so Ken is an expert marksman, and he had a high
tech bow and arrow hanging on the tree behind which is sasquatch. That removed
any interest we had in recovering the bow and arrow. But sasquatch stalked our
camp for forty five minutes, always staying out of sight, not that we
wanted to see it, but you know, I'm thinking, what in the
world was I thinking going out of my way to encounter sasquatch, And now
that he's here, I'm terrified. We were downright hysterical, And after forty
five minutes of it walking around the camp, it picked up a rock the
size of my fist and threw it at our feet. Very good aim.
But I just I remembered I remembered Albert Ostman his encounter when he was carried
off by a sasquatch in his sleeping bag. So I was relieved. In
the morning when I woke up still in the same place, I tried to
get pictures of the tracks behind the tree, but the soil was so moist
and so covered with pine needles that it was just gouges. But the gouge
was like twenty inches long, and they were all over the place. And
that's when we decided to leave. Well, we decided to leave a lot
earlier than that, like the night before, but that's when we actually left,
and it followed us for the next two days. Now we did not
go back the way we came. I had a map and it showed a
downstream about a mile or two. There's a branch from the logging road that
and meets up with the creek. So that's where we headed. But for
those two days we could tell that there were something following us. Not nearly
as close as ten feet, which is how close it was, but at
least it wasn't as close as it was, so that we were right right.
It's still unnerving, but absolutely to a degree where you're you're kind of
now you're familiar with it. It was a privilege to encounter it. Now
that it's over, I'm no longer terrified. I'm glad I had the experience.
There's no way I could do it now at my age, but what
what an experience? What the what? What did you smell? That's the
interesting thing. I didn't smell anything that little smell. I know, there
was absolutely no smell. And I did some research and I found out that
sasquash have been known to give off a foul, older odor, to say
the least, but not necessarily. Perhaps it had just gone swimming or something
like that. Very very you know, just I always like to like have
the person bring me back, and you did that very well with I can
imagine the branches, these thick branches breaking, you know, and the red
eyes. And did you see any other features of it? Was it?
I mean you said eight to ten feet off the ground, but standing on
two legs? Was it muscular? Was it thin? All I saw was
the eyes. No. Now there are people who say, no, it
must have been a person. There's no way a person could walk through that
thick underbrush at night. There's no way. And the fact that it continued
to stalk us for forty five minutes and had hands capable of throwing a rock,
I'm convinced it was sasquatch. Yeah, And that's the other part.
Next day, the next day, it escorted us out of its territory as
a as a way of saying you're not wanted here, which I respect.
Yes, Squatch, you know there has to be a breed population, and
as experts have estimated that it's probably about three thousand now most sightings. First
of all, there's an encounter every ten days, every ten days on the
average, and most of the encounters are on the Pacific Northwest, Oregon,
Washington, northern California BC, but the next most active places southeast Ohio.
I think Ohio is urbanized, but it's only urbanized in the north along Lake
Erie, but the south it's forested. And then eastern Oklahoma the same thing.
But these things have been seen in every single US state except Hawaii,
every Canadian province and territory. And they, like I said, they go
buy different names, but I'm pretty sure we're dealing with the same thing the
and it's it's really, really really it makes me wonder because when I was
talking to Linda Moulden how she had raised the point about how UFOs and Bigfoot
or Sasquatch or Yeti, the abominal Sloman, whatever you want to call him,
that they were often seen together or within days of each other, you
know, someone will see a UFO in the area and then see a bigfoot
or you know some some combination of that. Reports will come in. So
did you see anything weird in the sky or just just the sighting? And
there are people who think that the Sasquatch are extraterrestrial. I do not believe
that. I think they're from Earth. And for for example, the first
European to come to North America was Erickson. He came here in the nine
hundreds and he encountered sasquatch up in Labrador. We don't talk about that.
Is this documented? Well, yeah, I think it is okay, because
that would I mean, that's interesting. Do you how do you do you
know that story? All I know is that the Vikings reported harry men,
very very strong, who with whom they fought Champlain. The French explorer came
to the Hudson River and the natives spoke with him about the same thing.
Harry giants, and and the list goes on right the tribes in in Australia.
Right all over the world, there are similar creatures, but they're different.
In North America there are many, many different names. And there was
a Canadian educator who kept reading reports from different tribes that have never come in
contact with each other, describing the same creature literally to a t and he
came up with that. He modified one of the Indian names and came up
with the word sasquatch. Yes. And and Australia, Australia, Russia,
China has them. I think China it's called the urine, but it's each
are different yep modifications. Yeah. Again, and and that's you know,
that's that's the language, right, you know, we we all have our
our word for it. But again, I really do think we're dealing with
is something that is definitely real and just I mean something that there are casts
of these these footprints that are just there. I mean that's evidence. That
is physical evidence under my you know, my brain in my perspective, that's
physical evidence. Yes. Uh, we have other evidence, videos and photos.
Uh. And this goes for the UFO phenomenon as well. I think
the burden of proof has shifted to the debunker and the skeptic more so now
than ever. So I guess it what constitutes proof or evidence now? Because
they keep pushing the goalposts and you can't do and they will continue to do
that. Yeah, and you can't do the science. You can't do that.
You can't, you can't. We've you've asked for. And I'm so
sick of hearing that Carl Sagan line that, uh, with extraordinary h No,
they don't't. Evidence is evidence extraordinary or not? Evidence is evidence.
That is a dumb statement by a scientist who was not practicing actual science,
was more of a spokesman. And I would argue that Neil deGrasse Tyson is
in the same boat. Now, you know he doesn't. Actually when was
the last time you put out an actual paper or or did actual scientific work.
No, they're they're they're spokespeople, and they're often they're often trained like
you are. Yeah, your guys are reading too much science fiction. This
is how the world actually works. This is all a big joke. This
doesn't make sense, you know, And it's like, who do you know
what you're talking to? Because we're you know, we're we're we're we're getting
there where most if you were to survey one hundred people on the street,
ninety of them would say that they think that we've either been visited or are
being visited consistently by extraterrestrial beings. Right, so what's next, what's next
on Well, I think the government may be preparing us for disclosure. That's
my thought too, but limited. For example, about a year a year
and a half ago, they made a big deal about how Congress is going
to be given a report on the truth. Well, Congress got to see
the report, not us and the fact that there are seven extraterrestrial species with
whom we are in contact and have been. About decades ago, there was
a television series, short lived called Dark Skies. Yeah, and it showed
that the government, our government was interacting with with the extraterrestrials. And John
Kennedy was about to announce it to the public and that was the reason he
was murdered. Murdered, Yeah, and not to mention, uh and Bryce
Able produced that show. If I'm not mistaken, Dark Skies, what a
fantastic show. I love how they they use Majestic twelve or you know,
a version of it. Do you my last? You know one thing I
want to well, well, I know you gotta go, but h do
you think that there is some some entity in the government, like a Majestic
twelve that operates above law, if there's a secret space program there's got to
be a secret government. Absolutely, And when I see Biden being you know,
I'll be polite. He's senile, and yet certain things he says reveal
that he's just following orders. Yeah, yeah, from whom absolutely going on
that they're not telling us. And as an American, h that's an American
Yeah, I mean, uh again, you know RFK not allowed to participate
in the debate, not given us a secret service detail. Right, it's
his his his family has literally died for this country. And most people know.
They don't just say that, they believe, they know that it was
an inside job. Yes, clearly, and it's just so evident, right,
it is so evident that you know, if you don't play ball,
you don't make it. Yeah, you know, I fear for RFK Junior's
life because he's uh looking into things that you're not supposed to look there and
he doesn't quit. We knows what could happen, I know, And uh,
we are definitely in a unique time. I will say that, uh,
I the world is changing almost hour by hour, and and no offense
to you, you're you're older gentleman. I just we need a younger we
need a younger government. That understands this artificial intelligence and what the implications might
be. Uh. And and it's becoming a real problem. We are running
and nobody you know, uh that our parents haven't you know, showed us
how to walk. Yet our parents aren't haven't guided us. And it's it's
a really scary scenario that I find that we are about to enter into.
Uh. It's also a revolutionary one. So I'm also excited to be a
part of it. I really appreciate you coming out here, Don and I
look forward to having many more conversations with you. But you know, I
have so much more to say. I know you do. I usually like
to finish with this. I know what your answer is already. But are
we alone in the universe? No, we are not no good I because
I think it would be such a waste of space. But I think it's
such a fun uh. You know, there there is this power that is
yielded in the community where it's like that. I want to believe that sometimes
we let our guard down when it comes to certain things. Uh. And
that's why skeptics are good. But people like you, who bring very credible
backgrounds into the topic. You guys help us so much in advancing the topic
no matter what. So the more people like you that we have, the
better UH. And I just want to thank you for for coming on here
and for for having this conversation, and I hope to have you on again
and to listen to more of what you have to say. I look forward
to it. Thanks, thank you, don have a great night, and
thank you everyone for watching. UH. This has been total disclosure. The
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