Guarding the Most Paranormal Place on Earth: SKINWALKER RANCH Ft. Kaleb Bench

0:00 Speaker 1: Welcome back to Total Disclosure podcast, where we pull back

0:04 Speaker 1: the veil on the unexplained, the high strangeness, and the

0:08 Speaker 1: stories that main stream sources just won't touch.

0:11 Speaker 2: Today, we're going.

0:11 Speaker 1: Full deep dive mode into one of the most infamous

0:15 Speaker 1: paranormal and UAPI spots on the planet, Skinwalker Ranch in

0:20 Speaker 1: Utah's Uintah Basin. My guest is a man who doesn't

0:24 Speaker 1: just study the ranch from afar, he lives it. Former

0:28 Speaker 1: United States Marine Corps Tank specialist, Deputy sheriff with the

0:32 Speaker 1: Duchane County Sheriff's Office in Utah, and licensed firearm instructor.

0:38 Speaker 1: Most importantly for today, head of security operations at Skinwalker

0:42 Speaker 1: Ranch since late twenty seventeen, and a recurring cast member

0:47 Speaker 1: on the History Channels The Secret of Skinwalker Ranch. Please

0:51 Speaker 1: welcome my friend, the one the only Caleb Bench. You're

1:08 Speaker 1: a former United States Marine Corps tank specialist, current deputy

1:12 Speaker 1: sheriff with Did I say that right?

1:13 Speaker 3: The dou Shane So I do more. I'm back on

1:17 Speaker 3: this is how long it's been since we've talked. Because

1:20 Speaker 3: I was a full time deputy with Dushane County Sheriff's Office. YEP,

1:27 Speaker 3: I shifted over more to do and work with Roosevelt

1:30 Speaker 3: City the last couple of years. Okay, but I'm not

1:33 Speaker 3: really full time because of the ranch and just some

1:38 Speaker 3: of these other opportunities kind of coming up. So I

1:41 Speaker 3: still do law enforcement more in the reserve status.

1:44 Speaker 1: So and you're also a licensed firearms instructor, which I

1:48 Speaker 1: didn't know.

1:48 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm currently going through and getting that all taken

1:53 Speaker 3: care of, hopefully, because I want to work with this

1:55 Speaker 3: company called Tactical Hive. They have a lot of really

1:58 Speaker 3: good information and I've been doing their program and been

2:02 Speaker 3: doing that.

2:03 Speaker 2: Yes, that's awesome. That's awesome. So and yeah, so I'm

2:07 Speaker 2: just you know, I want to say welcome back.

2:09 Speaker 1: You're one of my favorite favorite Yes, because again, the

2:12 Speaker 1: first time I had you on was I was still

2:15 Speaker 1: doing Total Disclosure. Was still a segment of my old show,

2:20 Speaker 1: so it was a Total Disclosure. I was like it

2:23 Speaker 1: was a little side quest of mine, and then it

2:26 Speaker 1: became full time, you know, and I know carving our

2:30 Speaker 1: time for you is absolutely you know, your wild schedule

2:34 Speaker 1: and to come on the show, I just want to

2:35 Speaker 1: say thank you. So maybe before we jump into like

2:39 Speaker 1: the phenomena, let's give the audience you know, kind of

2:42 Speaker 1: a full picture on who you are if they don't know,

2:45 Speaker 1: and how you ended up guarding one of the literal

2:48 Speaker 1: strangest pieces of real estate on the planet.

2:52 Speaker 3: Yeah, So, honestly, I guess I'll try and do a

2:57 Speaker 3: quick notes version. Had some stuff happen after my dad

3:00 Speaker 3: passed away in twenty fourteen, some very deep spiritual experiences,

3:07 Speaker 3: and then that led me down into more of the well.

3:11 Speaker 3: Because of that, I had this major shift in mentality

3:15 Speaker 3: at that point, and I ended up getting married about

3:18 Speaker 3: a year later or two years after that also, and

3:22 Speaker 3: it started me down the road of say like self

3:25 Speaker 3: help or you know, you know, the Bob Proctor, the

3:31 Speaker 3: Tony Robbins type of learning actually like truth seeking, if

3:39 Speaker 3: you will, and knowledge gathering and actually implementing it into

3:44 Speaker 3: your life. And for the next three to four years

3:50 Speaker 3: through that twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen up to twenty eighteen,

3:55 Speaker 3: obviously my brother in law, Thomas Winterton, who's the ranch manager.

3:59 Speaker 3: He's very entrepreneurial, owned some hotels at that point, very

4:04 Speaker 3: in my mind, was very successful, and we just headed

4:06 Speaker 3: off on a lot of things, you know, not just

4:08 Speaker 3: because we're brother in laws, you know, but just had

4:12 Speaker 3: some of that same mentality. And my wife is the

4:15 Speaker 3: one that introduced me into one of those teachers and

4:20 Speaker 3: kind of got us shifted, if you will, shift at

4:23 Speaker 3: our entire mindset. But anyways, so Tom ends up bringing

4:32 Speaker 3: brought out to the ranch because Jim Morse or Uncle Jim,

4:36 Speaker 3: when Brandon acquired the property in twenty sixteen, Uncle Jim

4:40 Speaker 3: was one of the first people he sent out here

4:41 Speaker 3: into the basin to kind of do some research and

4:45 Speaker 3: meet people and kind of learn about the area on

4:48 Speaker 3: more personal level, and he ended up staying at Thomas's hotel,

4:52 Speaker 3: and Jim being Jim, he went and found the man

4:55 Speaker 3: in Charge's Jim and Brandon obviously successful businessman, and Jim

5:02 Speaker 3: just that's what he does. He goes and meets people.

5:06 Speaker 3: And that's how Brandon or Bryan Thomas was. Yeah, and

5:13 Speaker 3: so Thomas was.

5:15 Speaker 2: I did not know that Thomas owned hotels.

5:17 Speaker 3: He did, he built.

5:19 Speaker 2: He's pretty wealthy himself.

5:21 Speaker 3: Huh.

5:22 Speaker 2: So he's actually pretty wealthy himself.

5:25 Speaker 3: And he's done pretty well.

5:26 Speaker 1: Yes, but you just I guess you would never like

5:29 Speaker 1: I would never and and this is.

5:30 Speaker 2: A good thing.

5:31 Speaker 1: I would never look at Thomas and be like that

5:34 Speaker 1: dude has tons of money like where because he you know,

5:37 Speaker 1: he's a he's a very like hands on work guy.

5:40 Speaker 1: And I guess you just you never put those together

5:42 Speaker 1: right as like someone is having money and but also like.

5:45 Speaker 3: Really like very very intelligent like that, just very very

5:50 Speaker 3: business minded. Yeah, And and that was his whole thing

5:54 Speaker 3: is he went out did a lot of the research

5:56 Speaker 3: because he built custom homes for a couple of years

5:58 Speaker 3: and kind of got to was this is kind of boring.

6:01 Speaker 1: You know.

6:01 Speaker 3: He wanted something to challenge himself more so he did

6:03 Speaker 3: a lot of research into different businesses, and hotels were

6:07 Speaker 3: the thing. He's like, Okay, I could do this, and

6:09 Speaker 3: he literally went out and built his first like six

6:14 Speaker 3: or to I think maybe eight to ten room kind

6:16 Speaker 3: of building and that's how we started and then built

6:20 Speaker 3: it to multiple locations.

6:23 Speaker 2: Okay.

6:23 Speaker 1: So so Thomas is a kind of a entrepreneur in hisself.

6:28 Speaker 1: Jim connects with Thomas. Thomas is your your brother in law.

6:34 Speaker 1: So I see the big connection coming. And of course

6:37 Speaker 1: we have Brandon and Bryant Arnold or Dragon as people know.

6:41 Speaker 1: As they know they go back to being very good friends.

6:46 Speaker 1: So I can see the through line.

6:48 Speaker 3: Yeah, and so Tom being in the basin obviously Bryant,

6:55 Speaker 3: brand In, Jim, they're all based in Salt Lake City,

6:58 Speaker 3: so they're two and a half hours away, you know,

7:00 Speaker 3: at the very least. And so Brandon was like, you know, Jim,

7:06 Speaker 3: go out there and see if he can make some

7:07 Speaker 3: connections with someone there that's only ten to fifteen minutes away, right,

7:10 Speaker 3: So we kind have boots on the ground kind of thing.

7:12 Speaker 3: And that's where Tom comes in. He becomes a rash manager,

7:15 Speaker 3: starts taking care of the facilities, does the inspection. That's

7:19 Speaker 3: where he found out that there was some stuff on

7:22 Speaker 3: the big Old side that was illegal if you will

7:25 Speaker 3: in regards to building.

7:26 Speaker 2: Code, are you allowed to say, well.

7:30 Speaker 3: It was like they Bigelo basically came in and dropped

7:34 Speaker 3: a trailer without doing any of the permitting, without doing anything,

7:40 Speaker 3: and basically was like you and the counties assuming we'll

7:43 Speaker 3: see what happens. Because he had more money than you know,

7:46 Speaker 3: every pod right kind of thing, and it was just

7:51 Speaker 3: like because he had to get something out there too, right,

7:54 Speaker 3: and he wasn't sit around and wait for this process.

7:57 Speaker 3: He was He's just gonna do it. But anyways, so

8:02 Speaker 3: Tom goes in and fixes a bunch of is you know,

8:06 Speaker 3: major issues in regards to the structures and and starts

8:10 Speaker 3: implementing you know, camera systems and things like that with

8:13 Speaker 3: Eric as Eric had as Yeah, right, the principal investigator.

8:19 Speaker 3: Eric was the one to go okay, you know, when

8:23 Speaker 3: branding up the property. He basically didn't inherit any information

8:27 Speaker 3: either outside of right.

8:29 Speaker 1: A lot of people, a lot of people don't know

8:32 Speaker 1: that that like Bigelow. Bigelow's work was done for what

8:38 Speaker 1: is known as AWSOT or even before that with NIDS,

8:46 Speaker 1: so a lot of his work did not get handed

8:49 Speaker 1: over to the Now did did Brandon purchase the ranch

8:54 Speaker 1: from Bigelow or was there an intermediary?

8:57 Speaker 3: No? It from my understanding, Brandon and Bigelow know each

9:02 Speaker 3: other or knew each other. And that's and they met

9:05 Speaker 3: through I'm through oh my gosh, sorry, investment friend. They

9:14 Speaker 3: met through uh like real estate dealings, is my understanding,

9:18 Speaker 3: or you know, they were in that world together and

9:20 Speaker 3: they ended up meeting and that's you know where that

9:24 Speaker 3: kind of that connection kind of happened. And so Brandon

9:28 Speaker 3: about the ranch from Bigelow, okay, and again in twenty sixteen,

9:34 Speaker 3: and but but that but what you're hitting on, say,

9:37 Speaker 3: with like the NIDS and the other stuff, big O

9:42 Speaker 3: being a private company, they partnered with Big O. Low

9:46 Speaker 3: to my with my understanding and what I've been told

9:48 Speaker 3: through you know, Jay and and Travis throughout the years

9:52 Speaker 3: and the research that we've done in the background, is

9:56 Speaker 3: that's why you partner with a you have a private company.

9:59 Speaker 3: Is private company doesn't have to release information if they.

10:02 Speaker 4: Don't want to, absolutely not.

10:04 Speaker 3: Yeah, right, So so just take that information and when

10:08 Speaker 3: you start looking at different companies or different involvements and

10:11 Speaker 3: say this topic, you know, if it's a private company,

10:14 Speaker 3: they don't have to release crap.

10:16 Speaker 1: Exactly, it's right, completely exempt from that for a process.

10:21 Speaker 1: They do not owe the public any explanation beyond any

10:26 Speaker 1: permitting and stuff that would be public and publicly assessable.

10:31 Speaker 1: They don't, you know, they don't owe anyone anything.

10:35 Speaker 4: Nope.

10:38 Speaker 3: And that's where when Brandon comes in. So and you know,

10:41 Speaker 3: this is the thing with Brandon is when he came in,

10:43 Speaker 3: he did not want anybody to know he was the owner.

10:46 Speaker 1: Of the ranch for such a long time by the way,

10:49 Speaker 1: that information was pretty well kept secret.

10:53 Speaker 3: And he structured it in a way where it was

10:55 Speaker 3: down near impossible for anyone to really go in and

10:57 Speaker 3: start doing the research through the public information available and

11:01 Speaker 3: find out that was him right, And Tom helped him

11:06 Speaker 3: with certain and that's why Tom kind of became the

11:08 Speaker 3: public face of the ranch as the ranch manager for

11:10 Speaker 3: a little bit early on. It's because Tom was out

11:14 Speaker 3: here dealing with you in the county making things legal,

11:17 Speaker 3: doing that work right through that twenty sixteen, in the

11:21 Speaker 3: twenty seventeen time period, so you know, Tom did a

11:26 Speaker 3: lot of the leg work and got the one the

11:28 Speaker 3: one road through the ranch true vacated and it became

11:33 Speaker 3: a private road because during the entire time Bigelo owned it,

11:36 Speaker 3: it was technically a private road. He couldn't stop anybody

11:39 Speaker 3: from driving down it legally.

11:41 Speaker 1: Technically, Oh so he can he can stop people from

11:45 Speaker 1: essentially trespassing. And because there's a lot of like film

11:49 Speaker 1: stuff that's like pre pre Brandon's purchase of the ranch,

11:54 Speaker 1: there was a lot of like filming, Like I remember

11:58 Speaker 1: like Jeremy Cormel Carbell did a documentary on the ranch.

12:03 Speaker 3: I came out in twenty eighteen and that was one

12:06 Speaker 3: of the first So.

12:07 Speaker 2: That was post purchase.

12:08 Speaker 1: Yeah, So okay, because it still looked pretty like it

12:12 Speaker 1: was in its infancy.

12:13 Speaker 4: As far as it was.

12:15 Speaker 3: That was within the first two years of branding owning

12:17 Speaker 3: the property God when Jeremy got permission to come out

12:20 Speaker 3: and do that with Georgianna Robbie Williams in that group.

12:24 Speaker 3: That was March twenty eighteen when that was filmed.

12:27 Speaker 1: Do you sorry to cut in. I'm a little bit

12:31 Speaker 1: of a delay, so I might sound like I'm interrupted.

12:33 Speaker 1: I promise, I'm I'm trying not to. I want to

12:37 Speaker 1: ask you this question. How do you know or how

12:40 Speaker 1: what do you think? Why was the Why was Brandon?

12:45 Speaker 1: Why do you think he was swayed to actually purchase

12:47 Speaker 1: the ranch from Bigelow.

12:49 Speaker 3: I've always he was curious. He wants answers, just like

12:55 Speaker 3: all of us.

12:57 Speaker 2: But at first he didn't want to be known.

12:59 Speaker 1: It was almost like he was doing this privately, and

13:02 Speaker 1: you know, this was going to be an expensive endeavor.

13:05 Speaker 1: This was going to be a property that you bought

13:08 Speaker 1: and and you were going to have to put money

13:11 Speaker 1: into and and the resales just it's not really like

13:15 Speaker 1: it doesn't you see what I mean? Like it didn't

13:17 Speaker 1: really fit brands a project book.

13:22 Speaker 3: If you will, you know if you and I've heard

13:25 Speaker 3: him talk about this and you know and answer these

13:27 Speaker 3: kinds of and you know, yeah, as a looking at

13:31 Speaker 3: as a business standpoint, it was a stupid.

13:34 Speaker 2: Investment, right, That's what we thought, right.

13:39 Speaker 3: But his whole thing was driven by curiosity. He's he's

13:42 Speaker 3: obviously interested in this kind of thing, but he didn't

13:44 Speaker 3: want anybody to know because in the world that he

13:47 Speaker 3: was doing business in a lot of stigmatism or you know,

13:52 Speaker 3: he could be made fun of kind of thing like

13:55 Speaker 3: it was, or people would he would lose credibility, right

13:58 Speaker 3: with certain people because of the history of the ranch,

14:02 Speaker 3: if you will, Right, that was one reason why he

14:06 Speaker 3: was like, no one's going to know that I bought this.

14:07 Speaker 3: But he was curious and wanted to know if it's

14:09 Speaker 3: actually if there's something going on out there, And very

14:12 Speaker 3: early on he had some very cool experiences and that's

14:16 Speaker 3: what drove him to go, Okay, there's something going on

14:18 Speaker 3: out here. This isn't just you know nothing, There is

14:21 Speaker 3: something going on out here, and we and I'd like

14:23 Speaker 3: to find out. And and then and you know, so

14:26 Speaker 3: Eric comes in very early on, he has some crazy

14:31 Speaker 3: stuff happened, and that makes him go Okay, what's going

14:33 Speaker 3: on here? Right? And Thomas obviously playing that role of

14:39 Speaker 3: ranch manager, helping Eric implement more instrumentation on the ranch,

14:47 Speaker 3: more observational science assets, because very early on Eric was

14:52 Speaker 3: very much we're just going to observe and see what's

14:53 Speaker 3: going on.

14:54 Speaker 2: Okay.

14:55 Speaker 1: Was everyone familiar with the the lure that comes with

14:58 Speaker 1: skinwalker ranch?

14:59 Speaker 2: Now?

15:00 Speaker 1: I mean from the Big Low days, right, We've all

15:03 Speaker 1: we all heard the stories, right, the Lakatski days as well.

15:07 Speaker 1: You know, Skinwalkers at the Pentagon is a you know,

15:11 Speaker 1: arguably it's a it's a pretty like widely distributed book.

15:16 Speaker 1: I would say, like a lot of people had eyes

15:19 Speaker 1: on it. So this idea of the skin walker, because

15:24 Speaker 1: it didn't.

15:24 Speaker 2: Doesn't really get its name till later.

15:27 Speaker 1: But the idea of the skin walker, like, did you

15:29 Speaker 1: guys understand fully what you were getting into?

15:32 Speaker 3: Okay? So a couple of things, you know in this

15:35 Speaker 3: kind of line of question, if you will. So obviously

15:38 Speaker 3: skinwalker comes from the Navajo term, you know, and uh,

15:42 Speaker 3: and skinwalker is essentially a doctor or witch doctor or

15:46 Speaker 3: which that commits pretty evil acts and takes on abilities

15:54 Speaker 3: and where's the skin of whatever animal? Like it's not

15:57 Speaker 3: just to say a coyote or a wolf like they

15:59 Speaker 3: can kind of takes on the aspects of other things, right,

16:04 Speaker 3: and that goes back generations, And that was the history

16:07 Speaker 3: that we've kind of found, is that the Navajo and

16:09 Speaker 3: the u have negative relations, and in the eighteen hundreds,

16:14 Speaker 3: the Navajo got pushed out of this area by the Utes,

16:19 Speaker 3: who allied themselves with the US Army, so the and

16:23 Speaker 3: in retaliation, the Navajo reportedly cursed areas in the basin,

16:29 Speaker 3: Skinwalker Ranch being one of those, or the ridgeline above

16:32 Speaker 3: it that historically has been known as the Path of

16:36 Speaker 3: the Skinwalker or Skinwalker Ridge, and then also prior to

16:41 Speaker 3: the terminology of the ranch being called Skinwalker Ranch, it

16:43 Speaker 3: was called Ufo Ranch by the people who were in

16:46 Speaker 3: the basin for a long time because of the sightings

16:49 Speaker 3: that were reported here, which some of the first ones

16:52 Speaker 3: are all the way back to the nineteen fifteen timeframe,

16:58 Speaker 3: nineteen twenties. And this is kind of an interesting, interesting

17:02 Speaker 3: one I just kind of learned about myself was my

17:06 Speaker 3: wife's grandparents, Tom's paternal grandparents both died within a week

17:14 Speaker 3: of each other, just in December, and that led my

17:18 Speaker 3: wife and I kind of reading more mostly my wife

17:20 Speaker 3: reading a lot of her family history, and she has

17:23 Speaker 3: in that line back to eighteen eighty three, one of

17:26 Speaker 3: the first settlers out here, her ancestor, like her great

17:30 Speaker 3: great great grandpa whatever, had an experience where an orb

17:33 Speaker 3: came out of the sky, freaked out him, his friend,

17:37 Speaker 3: their horses, Their horses bolted, and this light sat there

17:40 Speaker 3: hovered in front of them, then took off. That was

17:42 Speaker 3: reported in eighteen eighty three, and I was going, holy crap,

17:45 Speaker 3: you know, that's a that's not only just a family thing,

17:48 Speaker 3: but that's like very that's eighteen eighty three.

17:52 Speaker 2: This is like soon.

17:54 Speaker 1: I mean it's pretty close to when, the not when,

17:58 Speaker 1: but like it's as close to the curses placed to

18:03 Speaker 1: the first sighting.

18:04 Speaker 2: You know that that's a short period of time.

18:07 Speaker 3: Well, and then that's the thing is when you go,

18:09 Speaker 3: like we've kind of shown this a lot. There's the

18:12 Speaker 3: Masonic symbol that's carved onto the mesa right above where

18:15 Speaker 3: the command center sits. You know, it's within a couple

18:17 Speaker 3: hundred yards and that Masonic symbol the history that we've

18:23 Speaker 3: kind of found, and I know Bigelow did some of

18:25 Speaker 3: this research also, and that's where some of our basis

18:29 Speaker 3: to do the deeper dive was those Buffalo soldiers come

18:33 Speaker 3: out or the I want to say it was the

18:35 Speaker 3: Ninth Cavalry, I think, which were the Buffalo soldiers from

18:40 Speaker 3: the Civil War. And there was a gentleman who was

18:42 Speaker 3: in that unit who grew up I think a slave

18:47 Speaker 3: in the South, got his freedom, joined the cavalry to

18:51 Speaker 3: fight in the Civil War, ends up getting the Medal

18:53 Speaker 3: of Honor is attached to this unit that then gets

18:56 Speaker 3: sent west. And that unit was at Fort Duchane or

19:00 Speaker 3: Old Fort Duchane, and they're the ones who had the

19:08 Speaker 3: directive to keep the Utes in the in the reservation

19:11 Speaker 3: right And I did a deep dive into that. And

19:15 Speaker 3: then you had the Mormon settlers that were out here obviously,

19:20 Speaker 3: and historically there was also an Irish infantry unit that

19:25 Speaker 3: was stationed out there with the Buffalo soldiers, and historically

19:29 Speaker 3: all those groups had pretty decent relations and when and

19:35 Speaker 3: there were times when the Utes would try to leave

19:38 Speaker 3: the reservation at different times to go back into Colorado

19:41 Speaker 3: where a lot of their traditional territory was also the

19:48 Speaker 3: Muffalo soldiers were the ones that went out and round

19:50 Speaker 3: and rounded a bump and actually protected them from Colorado

19:53 Speaker 3: militian settlers and brought them back.

19:57 Speaker 2: Whoa.

19:57 Speaker 3: And so anyways, that gentleman I told you about, his

20:04 Speaker 3: name was Augustus Wall or Augustus Wallly, I can't remember exactly,

20:08 Speaker 3: but he was reportedly a Masonic member because the officers

20:17 Speaker 3: to the Buffalo Soldiers were Masonic members also, and they

20:20 Speaker 3: were the ones who were brought in some you know,

20:24 Speaker 3: some of the Buffalo Soldiers themselves and we're like, hey,

20:27 Speaker 3: come joint interest. And so the idea of where this

20:32 Speaker 3: Masonic symbol came from was maybe because his initials are

20:36 Speaker 3: there and aw is there, and so we make that

20:40 Speaker 3: assume or the assumption that it was Augustus Wall who

20:44 Speaker 3: carved this symbol on the ranch. And when you know

20:47 Speaker 3: where the actual physical force was, that was like two

20:50 Speaker 3: or three days ride away from the property. And so

20:55 Speaker 3: for him to come down here and carve that symbol,

20:57 Speaker 3: or someone who's a Masonic member to come from the

21:00 Speaker 3: fort and carve this on symbol into the rock, which

21:05 Speaker 3: it's not small, it's pretty good side, and you're gonna

21:09 Speaker 3: have to take like a big metal pick and a

21:12 Speaker 3: hammer and hammer this in. Maybe that's half day's work whatever.

21:19 Speaker 3: But that's very you know, that's a lot of commitments

21:23 Speaker 3: come out and put that there. Why, right, And then

21:26 Speaker 3: that's obviously we have petroglyphs or pictographs on the ranch.

21:31 Speaker 3: We have Chris Roberts are archaeologists and other members on

21:35 Speaker 3: the security team, and you know, going back to Chris

21:37 Speaker 3: Bartel during Bigelow's time. And I have another marine who's

21:41 Speaker 3: on my security team right now, Nate, who has also

21:44 Speaker 3: found a lot of arrowheads, native or tribal pottery things

21:53 Speaker 3: like that. You know, there's other archaeological evidence confirmed by

21:56 Speaker 3: Chris that shows potential human interaction or even living on

22:00 Speaker 3: this property all the way back to ten thousand plus

22:02 Speaker 3: years ago, right, So lots of history. And then there's

22:07 Speaker 3: other areas in this in the basin that I've had

22:10 Speaker 3: the opportunity to go and find and locate with other individuals,

22:18 Speaker 3: you know, showing lots of cool stuff.

22:20 Speaker 5: Yeah, yes, Bartek the narrative all the way back to

22:26 Speaker 5: confirm stuff in the eighteen hundreds, right, and then obviously

22:29 Speaker 5: fast forward there's the Meyers family, there's the Sherman family.

22:33 Speaker 3: There's all this stuff that happens, and there was reported

22:36 Speaker 3: activity for years right. And then law enforcement has given

22:42 Speaker 3: me a pretty good handle on some other information because

22:47 Speaker 3: other officers, older officers of shared stories. Obviously everyone might

22:50 Speaker 3: be familiar with, say Chris pour It his involvement during

22:55 Speaker 3: the Myers and Sherman timeframe and the big leading into

22:59 Speaker 3: the Big Low area. Yeah, so we had that kind

23:03 Speaker 3: of information. We went more with that historical Okay, what's

23:06 Speaker 3: going on here? And then obviously there was the gentleman.

23:10 Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, he was our the teacher out here.

23:15 Speaker 2: Oh oh oh yeah, right, right, very, I do know who.

23:18 Speaker 4: You're talking about.

23:19 Speaker 3: I can't believe I can't remember his name, but.

23:22 Speaker 1: I'll hit you. You're you're gonna remember it when I asked

23:24 Speaker 1: you this. Uh so I brought it up a minute ago. Now,

23:29 Speaker 1: throughout the decade, throughout the ages, obviously, the skin walker

23:32 Speaker 1: in the UFO have been large parts of.

23:35 Speaker 2: The ranch's history and more.

23:38 Speaker 1: If we're going to actively believe that a skin walker

23:41 Speaker 1: is a real thing, are you guys prepared or how

23:47 Speaker 1: do you take one of these things down if need be? Well,

23:51 Speaker 1: I know he has a pretty wild experience. He's been

23:54 Speaker 1: on the show before. He's I think we're going to

23:56 Speaker 1: bring him back on his encounter of what he what what?

24:01 Speaker 1: What sounded like a wolf?

24:04 Speaker 3: The wolf for a kind of a massive.

24:06 Speaker 1: Can it's been It's that shivers up my spine him

24:10 Speaker 1: telling that story. I mean, if you're to run into

24:14 Speaker 1: a skinwalker, how do you take one of these things down?

24:17 Speaker 2: If they are legitimately a.

24:22 Speaker 3: So this is where obviously I haven't had that kind

24:26 Speaker 3: of experience where I've yeah, I'll say it this way,

24:29 Speaker 3: I guess is I've had every kind of experience out

24:31 Speaker 3: on that ranch outside of I haven't met bigfoot, I

24:34 Speaker 3: haven't met a little green alien, and I haven't met

24:36 Speaker 3: a skinwalker yet. So those are about the three things

24:39 Speaker 3: I have not had any interaction with which I'm fine

24:42 Speaker 3: not having that interaction, right. I have my shoshone friend

24:46 Speaker 3: who's always like, hey, if you want to go see

24:48 Speaker 3: a big foot, I can take you out and take

24:49 Speaker 3: you where they are. And I'm like, yeah, I know

24:55 Speaker 3: the initial reaction of okay, whatever, But after having the

24:59 Speaker 3: experiences in seen some of this other stuff on the

25:01 Speaker 3: ranch and at my house and in other areas, I'm

25:03 Speaker 3: going I'm not going to discount that.

25:07 Speaker 1: I get that cryptid I think I think the cryptid

25:10 Speaker 1: stuff I think the bigfoot stuff is is obviously where

25:14 Speaker 1: you know, because the UFOs are one thing, right, Bigfoot

25:18 Speaker 1: is a whole another.

25:19 Speaker 2: It's a whole other thing.

25:20 Speaker 3: It's a whole Oh sorry if I'm cutting in.

25:24 Speaker 1: There, it's okay, it's it's it's it is a can

25:26 Speaker 1: of worms. And people's eyes glaze over when you start

25:29 Speaker 1: talking when when there's a mention of anything like that.

25:33 Speaker 1: But I think to say that that it just doesn't exist,

25:36 Speaker 1: I think just shows that you're probably naive and just

25:41 Speaker 1: not open to things that you don't you can't physically

25:45 Speaker 1: like compent comprehend.

25:48 Speaker 3: So I would say that there, you know, this itself

25:50 Speaker 3: is an interesting topic, right, So I wouldn't say that obviously.

25:54 Speaker 3: There are the ones that I would say naive, right,

25:58 Speaker 3: Like I for example, I got the comment earlier on

26:01 Speaker 3: something I posted from a couple of weeks ago, and

26:04 Speaker 3: it's like, oh man, you guys will believe anything, or

26:07 Speaker 3: you people believe anything, And I'm like, I immediately wanted

26:11 Speaker 3: to fire back, and you'll disbelieve ever, disbelieve everything, right,

26:17 Speaker 3: because I look at it like, look, there's a lot

26:21 Speaker 3: going on, and when it comes to say there is

26:24 Speaker 3: a connection between Bigfoot and UFO in a certain way.

26:27 Speaker 3: And this is one of the few connections that Eric

26:29 Speaker 3: will actually kind of entertain if you will, Right, So,

26:38 Speaker 3: I remember I told you the story about the thing

26:40 Speaker 3: that Travis kN I interacted with the cloaked object or

26:44 Speaker 3: the object that I had my pistol out.

26:47 Speaker 1: Yeah, that was one of the most That was one

26:49 Speaker 1: of my favorite scenes from the earlier seasons.

26:51 Speaker 2: But if you move, can you retell?

26:53 Speaker 3: Yeah? So brief, real brief, this is probably the craziest

26:58 Speaker 3: thing that I've ever interacted with on the are the

27:00 Speaker 3: most exciting.

27:01 Speaker 1: Like you pulled your weapon. It takes a lot for

27:04 Speaker 1: a marine to pull their weapon like that.

27:06 Speaker 4: Yeah.

27:06 Speaker 3: So anyways, very early on we're filming, we're back on

27:10 Speaker 3: the Edge filming season two. At that point, this is

27:13 Speaker 3: like the first week or second week that we're out there.

27:18 Speaker 3: We're out barbecuing Travis, Eric, myself, and Thomas. We're all

27:23 Speaker 3: sitting out at this picnic table in front of Travis's

27:26 Speaker 3: trailer and essentially I start hearing what I would describe

27:31 Speaker 3: as an electrical arcing or some kind of you know,

27:35 Speaker 3: snapping or something like that behind me and pass these

27:41 Speaker 3: trees kind of over by the corral by the command center.

27:47 Speaker 3: And this goes on for a couple of minutes and

27:48 Speaker 3: I just get this film like we're being watched here

27:50 Speaker 3: on the back of my neck stands up. At one point,

27:53 Speaker 3: I tell the guys, hey, I feel like we're being watched.

27:55 Speaker 3: We all got quiet. We hear that sound. I get up,

27:58 Speaker 3: I pull my pistol kick on the flashlight. Travis stacks

28:02 Speaker 3: up behind me. Thomas and Eric walked out to the

28:05 Speaker 3: road to see if there was something, you know, to

28:08 Speaker 3: kind of look around there. Travis and I walk around

28:12 Speaker 3: this old trailer and basically I illuminate an object that

28:16 Speaker 3: was rectangular in shape. It had a gold ambush color.

28:20 Speaker 3: It was very reflective. My gun light comes across as

28:24 Speaker 3: I'm swinging over to this object, whatever it was, and

28:29 Speaker 3: I see my I see two shadows in the reflection

28:33 Speaker 3: of this. I go that's Travis Knight's reflection and there

28:38 Speaker 3: and there's some other details of the physical object itself.

28:44 Speaker 3: And essentially I get to the point where I'm like,

28:45 Speaker 3: is this an actual threat? Right? And that's going through

28:48 Speaker 3: my head is I'm not. I don't want to ignore

28:51 Speaker 3: this feeling that we're being watched, that is this something

28:54 Speaker 3: stocking us. You know. One of our initial reactions was

28:57 Speaker 3: as a mountain lion out there, you know. Know. So anyways,

29:03 Speaker 3: I go to pull my I go, okay, if this

29:07 Speaker 3: is threat, I'm gonna get as ready as I can.

29:10 Speaker 3: And I go to put my finger on the on

29:12 Speaker 3: the trigger of my pistol, and the thing either closes

29:16 Speaker 3: in on itself in the center or turns on its

29:18 Speaker 3: center access disappears. Travis and I go chasing after this

29:21 Speaker 3: because we had the distinct feeling that it went up

29:23 Speaker 3: to Mesa. We didn't find any tracks, there was no

29:26 Speaker 3: other sound. And so coming into the UFO side and

29:30 Speaker 3: the bigfoot stuff, Eric has heard stories where people swear

29:36 Speaker 3: they see big hairy animal out there running around on

29:39 Speaker 3: two feets, but then it transforms into an orban and

29:41 Speaker 3: goes away.

29:43 Speaker 2: Right, I've heard this as well, Right, And.

29:46 Speaker 3: So that's so there's this little connection there because bigfoot

29:48 Speaker 3: is not anything that we really care about on the

29:51 Speaker 3: investigation side, you know, as an official basis, like, it's

29:56 Speaker 3: not what we really care to investment.

29:58 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not what you're out there for.

30:00 Speaker 3: No, but this is where kind of a story you

30:04 Speaker 3: might not have heard during Phenomenicon here in Vernal. You know,

30:10 Speaker 3: this is the thing that we do every year. We

30:12 Speaker 3: and we're we're you know, we bring out Nick Pope,

30:14 Speaker 3: we bring out as John Henry and these different individuals

30:22 Speaker 3: not John.

30:22 Speaker 2: Harry and I mean all the guys.

30:26 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, we're oh and there are the Bigfoot there.

30:29 Speaker 3: You know, it's it's a convention.

30:32 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's fun, you bring everyone conference.

30:36 Speaker 3: Anyways, a group from Oregon came in like twenty twenty

30:41 Speaker 3: two or something like that, and they were like, Eric,

30:44 Speaker 3: will show you something, and he was kind of like

30:48 Speaker 3: he was he was being gracious. Well, it's a five

30:55 Speaker 3: or six that they saw this. They're out looking for

30:59 Speaker 3: big foot, but they all swear that they see bigfoot

31:03 Speaker 3: running through the trees. One of them has a camera out,

31:06 Speaker 3: records it and goes, we got it. We got the proof.

31:10 Speaker 3: They go back to watch the video and it's not

31:12 Speaker 3: Big Harry Bigfoot that they're all seeing with their eyes.

31:15 Speaker 3: It's an orb or a not not an orbit. It

31:18 Speaker 3: was more of a cloaked figure of some kind. And

31:22 Speaker 3: when Eric saw that, he was like immediately thought of

31:25 Speaker 3: what Travis Knight had seen. Didn't tell us, got the

31:29 Speaker 3: recording of it, and then sat us down and showed

31:33 Speaker 3: us a video and it's like and said, was this

31:35 Speaker 3: what you saw or is this similar to what you

31:38 Speaker 3: saw that night? And yes, very similar.

31:42 Speaker 2: And you'd agree that it was similar.

31:45 Speaker 3: Yeah, so it had that similar I think predator cloaking

31:48 Speaker 3: effect right.

31:52 Speaker 1: As goofy as it may sound, it's something that we

31:55 Speaker 1: can think about as a in relationship, Yes, experient.

31:59 Speaker 3: So so that's that's the kind of thing too. By

32:04 Speaker 3: the way that Eric does is you know, so I've

32:08 Speaker 3: had a lot of experiences in regards to you come

32:10 Speaker 3: into the ranch, and I was one that was not

32:14 Speaker 3: very front loaded, if you will. And Eric makes a

32:18 Speaker 3: very strong point of not frontloading people given the chance,

32:23 Speaker 3: and obviously as the more the show comes out, it's

32:25 Speaker 3: a lot harder to do. Yeah, there's still a lot

32:29 Speaker 3: of experiences that I've had or the teams had that

32:36 Speaker 3: are interesting in this type of sequence, if you will.

32:39 Speaker 1: I was gonna it's actually weird that you bring it up,

32:42 Speaker 1: because I was going to say that one of my

32:44 Speaker 1: questions is, you know, how do you stop people like

32:50 Speaker 1: like the contractors and all the people that you guys

32:53 Speaker 1: are bringing on the ranch. How do you blanket them

32:58 Speaker 1: from coming in with too much of like either or

33:02 Speaker 1: like an unbiased.

33:03 Speaker 3: Right, we do more like saying in uh, in law enforcement,

33:08 Speaker 3: we you don't ask leading questions, right, you ask very

33:13 Speaker 3: neutral maybe yes or no questions. Right, You're very careful

33:20 Speaker 3: on that and so and like I said, as as

33:27 Speaker 3: it's got more popular, and obviously it's more mainstream now,

33:30 Speaker 3: it's much more difficult to ask people okay, or I

33:34 Speaker 3: won't say difficult, but it's much more difficult for us

33:37 Speaker 3: to have a someone coming on to the property, like

33:40 Speaker 3: a third party witness or something, or expert with equipment

33:43 Speaker 3: helping with investigation, something that has not heard of the

33:46 Speaker 3: ranch now or maybe hasn't been you know, exposed to

33:50 Speaker 3: some type of phenomena or something right or being or

33:54 Speaker 3: heard something. And that's so that was what I was

33:56 Speaker 3: getting at too, is like, you know, going back to

34:01 Speaker 3: when I first come to the ranch, Yes I had

34:03 Speaker 3: heard of Skinwalker Ranch, but I was not very knowledgeable

34:08 Speaker 3: in in any kind of the phenomena. I've this was

34:13 Speaker 3: never my area of interest, if you will, growing up

34:17 Speaker 3: nineties kid. Obviously, yes I'm exposed to Star Wars more Hammer,

34:23 Speaker 3: you know, I'm very much am a fan of that

34:25 Speaker 3: kind of stuff.

34:26 Speaker 4: Right.

34:26 Speaker 3: I played StarCraft all the way growing up. I you know,

34:29 Speaker 3: I was exposed to the sy thire realm, if you will,

34:34 Speaker 3: But having that experience of it crossing over into an actual, real,

34:38 Speaker 3: physical thing never really sunk well you know, sunk into me,

34:43 Speaker 3: if you will.

34:45 Speaker 2: Right.

34:45 Speaker 3: It wasn't anything I was actively looking for, right, It

34:50 Speaker 3: was much more of this idea, Oh that'd be cool.

34:52 Speaker 3: It was real, you know. That was one of my

34:55 Speaker 3: first thoughts when I came to the ranches. I'm here,

34:57 Speaker 3: I start because Tom calls me like a week before

35:03 Speaker 3: Halloween in twenty seventeen and goes, hey, do you want

35:06 Speaker 3: to come out and do security out here?

35:10 Speaker 1: Like you're actually doing legitimate like hey, we might have

35:14 Speaker 1: trespassers on Halloween night? Can you come over do the round?

35:18 Speaker 1: So this is okay, I want to get into this.

35:20 Speaker 3: That was my introduction.

35:21 Speaker 1: That's your first quote unquote patrol of the ranch.

35:24 Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, So Halloween twenty seventeen was my first day

35:29 Speaker 3: on Skinwalker Ranch.

35:31 Speaker 2: Okay, so take us through it. What happened?

35:34 Speaker 3: Well, Tom calls me like three or four days before, Hey,

35:36 Speaker 3: do you can you come help do security out here?

35:39 Speaker 3: The owners looking for someone big and has you know,

35:41 Speaker 3: has some experience in this and that's in the area,

35:44 Speaker 3: and you know, and Tom's going to get like, you're

35:46 Speaker 3: one of the few people I would trust to do this.

35:47 Speaker 4: I was like okay, and let's go and so.

35:53 Speaker 3: And also the clarify is ranches. Thomas's involvement on the ranch,

35:58 Speaker 3: you know that year and a half pre all through

36:00 Speaker 3: twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen. At this point, I had been

36:03 Speaker 3: hearing him talking with other family members at like Sunday dinner, right,

36:08 Speaker 3: and They're all going, tell us what's going on.

36:10 Speaker 4: I was like whatever.

36:13 Speaker 3: I was like, what's the big deal? You know, it's yeah, right, yeah,

36:21 Speaker 3: I was like, okay, whatever. And so again, like I'd

36:25 Speaker 3: heard of Skinwalker Ranch, right, and it was kind of

36:29 Speaker 3: that it's the local place like Tom describes where the

36:33 Speaker 3: kid all the high school kids take their dates late

36:35 Speaker 3: at night to try and get you know, oh girl scared,

36:39 Speaker 3: and you know, that's what it was.

36:45 Speaker 2: And I was like, what for Necker's right, that's hilarious.

36:53 Speaker 3: And then if you understand some of Tom's history where

36:56 Speaker 3: he had some very crazy stuff happening on the ranch

36:59 Speaker 3: in that timeframe, that's me coming onto the property the

37:02 Speaker 3: first time, and he starts really going into that deep

37:04 Speaker 3: dive with me and giving me more of that background.

37:06 Speaker 3: That's when I start going, okay, like I'm still you know,

37:11 Speaker 3: I'm not going to discount it, but I'm not going

37:12 Speaker 3: to sit here and be like a fangirl about this, right.

37:15 Speaker 3: I'm actually I'm coming out here to do the security

37:17 Speaker 3: side of it, you know, part you know, it was

37:21 Speaker 3: kind of a part time thing. And I and and Tom.

37:24 Speaker 3: I start hearing some of his interactions. He warns me

37:27 Speaker 3: about certain sound at that point in time, like he

37:31 Speaker 3: you know, there's things that Okay, let's yeah, like apparently

37:36 Speaker 3: there was a thing about if you hear a certain sound,

37:38 Speaker 3: get the hell out, so that kind of stuff. And

37:43 Speaker 3: then as I go through and I start having experiences

37:47 Speaker 3: on the ranch myself, I report it back to Eric

37:50 Speaker 3: and Brandon and Thomas, and a great example of this

37:54 Speaker 3: is first thing that I ever saw on the ranch

37:56 Speaker 3: that made me go, what the hell something's actually going

37:59 Speaker 3: on out here. I was out with two individuals. I

38:01 Speaker 3: was basically babysitting them. It was June twenty eighteen, so

38:07 Speaker 3: six or seven months with my involvement on the ranch,

38:10 Speaker 3: and we're out in the middle of this field and

38:13 Speaker 3: imagine shutting all the lights off in your room. It's

38:16 Speaker 3: one thirty in the morning, and again I'm out in

38:19 Speaker 3: the middle of a field between Homstead two and Homestead three.

38:23 Speaker 3: The whole area lights up like someone flipped light switch

38:25 Speaker 3: on and it just lights up green. Go figure out

38:28 Speaker 3: all the damn colors. It's that bright neon alien green.

38:32 Speaker 3: And I could see like it was daylight and lasted

38:35 Speaker 3: for about a second, maybe two to three seconds. That

38:39 Speaker 3: light goes away. I know this something out of the

38:41 Speaker 3: corner of my eye. There's a light and object coming

38:44 Speaker 3: out of the sky above Homestead two. I don't know

38:47 Speaker 3: if it went into Homestead two or if it was

38:49 Speaker 3: behind closer to the Mesa, but the moment it kind

38:53 Speaker 3: of went and was obscured by the trees, it went away.

38:56 Speaker 3: I get my phone out. I text Eric and Brandon, Hey,

38:59 Speaker 3: this happened like a like a military or police report.

39:03 Speaker 3: Give him all the information I can right. Eric sat

39:07 Speaker 3: on that for like three years. He asked me questions.

39:12 Speaker 3: He was curious about it. Obviously, he wanted to know

39:14 Speaker 3: the circumstances. I walked through the story with him multiple times,

39:17 Speaker 3: and much greater do you tell them what I just did.

39:20 Speaker 3: But he comes to me one year and he's like,

39:23 Speaker 3: I've been I wanted to show you this for years.

39:26 Speaker 3: I just kind oft remember where I put it. Very are,

39:31 Speaker 3: around the time Brandon bought the property, they did have

39:34 Speaker 3: meetings with Bigelow and Eric Davis, Jacques Vallet, these other individuals.

39:41 Speaker 2: Say, these people that almost facilitated the purchase.

39:45 Speaker 3: Yes, And because there were those discussions between Eric, Eric

39:49 Speaker 3: Davis and again the scientists Kit Green, these other individuals

39:56 Speaker 3: from the big low time with Eric bart and they

39:59 Speaker 3: still have interactions that they still.

40:01 Speaker 2: Talk, but it's not like radio silence. It's just less frequent.

40:06 Speaker 3: Yeah. But anyways, Jacques Ballet had a journal where he

40:11 Speaker 3: wrote about a green light appearing on somewhere on the

40:18 Speaker 3: vicinity of the ranch or something very similar to what

40:20 Speaker 3: I saw. Eric remembered seeing that when he had that

40:24 Speaker 3: discussion with Jacques Ballet in like twenty sixteen twenty. You know,

40:29 Speaker 3: prior to my involvement on the ranch, I had no

40:31 Speaker 3: idea about that conversation. And again Eric comes back to

40:37 Speaker 3: me like twenty twenty one, twenty twenty two years after

40:42 Speaker 3: I had that experience and goes shows me that a

40:47 Speaker 3: picture of the diary, going, is this what you saw?

40:51 Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, and that has multiple that has happened

40:56 Speaker 3: to me multiple times over my involvement on the ranch.

40:58 Speaker 3: Is I experienced something, I go and report it to

41:02 Speaker 3: Eric or Travis or Brandon, and it comes back to

41:08 Speaker 3: me that it was a reported activity or a reported

41:12 Speaker 3: type of phenomena years before by somebody else. Right, And

41:17 Speaker 3: it comes back to the front loading part is I

41:19 Speaker 3: had no idea.

41:21 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, you couldn't have known about those reports previous.

41:25 Speaker 2: Right, It's not it's so it's it's.

41:28 Speaker 1: Not that case of like front loading is what you're saying,

41:32 Speaker 1: and you you also had other experiences. I mean, I

41:36 Speaker 1: know there's the there's the the one that's kind of frequent,

41:40 Speaker 1: or was frequent in the beginning, was your phone specifically, Right,

41:44 Speaker 1: it was like malfunctioning and so flipping through.

41:50 Speaker 3: Yeah, so you're you're hitting on a topic, and yeah,

41:53 Speaker 3: they highlighted my phone, especially in season two with some

41:58 Speaker 3: of this stuff. It was happening all their season one

42:01 Speaker 3: and there's some parts where you see it, but it

42:03 Speaker 3: wasn't just my phone. That was actually one of the

42:05 Speaker 3: first things that caught Eric's attention was his phone? Did

42:07 Speaker 3: it in twenty sixteen?

42:10 Speaker 2: Oh right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah right.

42:12 Speaker 3: So it's very much a thing or a phenomena that

42:16 Speaker 3: happens to multiple people. In fact, this is one that

42:20 Speaker 3: I was just reminded of just recently last couple of days.

42:26 Speaker 3: They shared a kind of a short from when I

42:29 Speaker 3: was walking around with some of partners that were doing

42:33 Speaker 3: our website with. I was talking about this giant bulldozer

42:37 Speaker 3: during season three that lost twelve batteries in a day,

42:42 Speaker 3: brand new batteries, all sucked dry by something. And the

42:45 Speaker 3: owner of the bulldozer, Jake Huffman, blasting expert, has a

42:52 Speaker 3: lot of experience in the oil field, comes out, it's

42:54 Speaker 3: his equipment. He's coming out with the vault meter, touches

42:57 Speaker 3: the batteries, and the vaultmeter says help, and this vault

43:01 Speaker 3: meter can't.

43:02 Speaker 4: Put help on that.

43:04 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's well, you know, obviously thinking about it as

43:07 Speaker 3: like a calculator. You can spell out certain words, right.

43:12 Speaker 4: But it doesn't tricks.

43:13 Speaker 2: But but yeah, you're saying it's spelled out help.

43:17 Speaker 3: Yeah, and you can't go in there and do that.

43:21 Speaker 3: It's it's just it's a dead you know. You flip

43:24 Speaker 3: the switch, put the connections on there to read the voltage.

43:30 Speaker 3: You can't sit there and type in a number, right,

43:34 Speaker 3: it's not so and for it to start flashing help

43:38 Speaker 3: when he does that freaked them the hell out. But

43:40 Speaker 3: that morning and this is something again, this is something

43:47 Speaker 3: when season three, when we got back out to do

43:49 Speaker 3: season three, I tried making the phone call to Travis

43:54 Speaker 3: and my wife one day, and both times my phone

44:00 Speaker 3: connected to something and I heard, like, imagine like the

44:08 Speaker 3: closest thing I can describe is like decepticons or autobots

44:12 Speaker 3: that weird.

44:13 Speaker 2: Electronic electronic, Yeah.

44:16 Speaker 3: Like voice type thing. And I was like, what the hell?

44:20 Speaker 3: And yeah, because what it was is I tried calling

44:22 Speaker 3: Travis because he was on another part of the property

44:24 Speaker 3: and I was like, what the hell? And then and

44:27 Speaker 3: I was like, what the hell?

44:29 Speaker 4: That was odd?

44:30 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And.

44:32 Speaker 3: I was like is that just like and that's what

44:34 Speaker 3: probably me to call my wife? I was like, is

44:36 Speaker 3: this like something going on with my phone? So I

44:38 Speaker 3: tried to call my wife. Neither of the and it

44:41 Speaker 3: happened again, but neither of the phones from Travis from

44:46 Speaker 3: my wife showed that I tried calling them.

44:49 Speaker 2: But yours say is it connected. Yeah, that's fucking wild.

44:55 Speaker 3: So I do that. And then it was like two

44:58 Speaker 3: weeks later, Jake Huffman's coming on to the property. He's

45:03 Speaker 3: sitting down in front of the front gate and tries

45:06 Speaker 3: calling his wife his phone. Does that it connected to

45:10 Speaker 3: something and he heard this crazy mechanical whateverwards whatever you

45:15 Speaker 3: want to call it, I don't know. He comes on

45:18 Speaker 3: and he was like this just happened. I was like,

45:20 Speaker 3: you two and he was just like what, So I

45:26 Speaker 3: haven't thought about that for years.

45:29 Speaker 1: Well, think we'll also line that up with one of

45:31 Speaker 1: the stories that the principal investigator Eric talks about is

45:37 Speaker 1: and I think he I think they talked about in

45:39 Speaker 1: the show.

45:40 Speaker 2: I can't I can't remember.

45:41 Speaker 1: I think it was in the show and in Jesse

45:43 Speaker 1: Michaels's like trip there, it's one of the stories he

45:45 Speaker 1: tells him about how the cameras kept like like he

45:50 Speaker 1: was like, uh, he was, you know whatever, he was

45:53 Speaker 1: off the property, but he kept getting buzzed by the

45:56 Speaker 1: cameras like hey, something's here or something here.

45:59 Speaker 3: I know what you're talking about.

46:00 Speaker 4: Well, yeah to those.

46:01 Speaker 1: Room and was like, fuck, just tell me what if

46:05 Speaker 1: they if you want to show me something.

46:07 Speaker 2: Show me.

46:07 Speaker 1: If you want to tell me something, tell me, and

46:10 Speaker 1: then you can maybe finish that one because I, well,

46:13 Speaker 1: I don't.

46:14 Speaker 3: Like going too much into that one, just because Eric

46:16 Speaker 3: doesn't like the perceived like what people start jumping to

46:22 Speaker 3: the conclusion, the conclusions and stuff like that. But essentially

46:25 Speaker 3: it's what you call the story.

46:28 Speaker 2: Yeah, it freezes.

46:32 Speaker 3: He has this documented, he has these screenshots, he has

46:35 Speaker 3: this stuff, and essentially he was getting these like fifteen

46:38 Speaker 3: hundred notifications that something was moving around inside the command center.

46:42 Speaker 3: And this was before it looked like it does today.

46:44 Speaker 3: This is basically looks like what it did under Bigelow's time,

46:47 Speaker 3: which is a trailer that these guys, the security guards

46:50 Speaker 3: and Bigelow would live in when they were on the

46:52 Speaker 3: property or guests. So it just looked like you're every day,

46:56 Speaker 3: run of the mill double wide trailer.

46:59 Speaker 1: Yeah.

47:00 Speaker 3: But Eric basically watched these cameras for hours, going I'm

47:05 Speaker 3: gonna catch whatever's doing this gets to the point where

47:08 Speaker 3: he's like done with it, says what you just said,

47:13 Speaker 3: the screen does this weird melting thing. And we've had

47:16 Speaker 3: it analyzed and asked, like graphic experts in the movie

47:21 Speaker 3: industry and other in the gaming industry if they could

47:23 Speaker 3: do this type of thing at that time, and they

47:26 Speaker 3: were like they can, they cann't replicate it. Essentially, it

47:30 Speaker 3: has this little message and that's answering question if you

47:35 Speaker 3: have something to show me, show me. If you have

47:36 Speaker 3: something to tell me, tell me. And the words that

47:40 Speaker 3: are in the security footage don't match up it. You know,

47:42 Speaker 3: there's part of this where but it essentially says.

47:44 Speaker 1: I living and I'm gonna show it because what it

47:48 Speaker 1: does is it takes what's like you guys, you guys

47:52 Speaker 1: know you've you've seen security feeds they have like you

47:55 Speaker 1: know what it will say like living room or.

47:59 Speaker 3: Well like like what's in front of us? Yeah, now,

48:02 Speaker 3: has I have Caleb right here? You have ty Roberts.

48:06 Speaker 1: Those words to form essentially that yep, and and and that.

48:14 Speaker 1: I mean, this is all online with and and and

48:18 Speaker 1: The reason I'm kind of jumping here is because there's

48:21 Speaker 1: also this one point six gigahertz signal that's being found

48:25 Speaker 1: that is very very consistent, and but the frequency is

48:29 Speaker 1: only reserved for typical space based communication. This is as yes,

48:36 Speaker 1: and it's kind of a reserved band, and it's it's.

48:40 Speaker 3: It's illegal to broadcast at that frequency, yes, and so

48:46 Speaker 3: we have permissions, we do things in a certain way

48:49 Speaker 3: to where we are and we're obviously on the middle

48:51 Speaker 3: of nowhere. Generally we're not broad casting that, we're just

48:55 Speaker 3: looking for it.

48:57 Speaker 1: So there's that, right, And and then there's this this

49:01 Speaker 1: idea that there you guys have found something that is

49:04 Speaker 1: buried in the mesa and it is lenticular in a

49:08 Speaker 1: in shape to some degree, to some degree, it's it's

49:12 Speaker 1: it's it's how would you describe its shape from from

49:16 Speaker 1: looking at the light ar and stuff.

49:18 Speaker 3: Well, so obviously we have the Grand Pedant training radar

49:21 Speaker 3: showing returns there. And why we kind of have that

49:25 Speaker 3: idea that it's to say a dome shape is because

49:28 Speaker 3: the first year and the second year, the individual Aaron Blunt,

49:32 Speaker 3: that we had come out to do this vertical drilling

49:37 Speaker 3: hit an object and couldn't go through it with his

49:40 Speaker 3: drill and then something pushed his drill bit down at

49:47 Speaker 3: one point and he was trying to push, you know,

49:51 Speaker 3: bring the drill back. He was trying to go through

49:54 Speaker 3: the object, and he's thinking that something on the edge

49:58 Speaker 3: of it has you know, started push from the drill

50:00 Speaker 3: bit down and then and he was trying to keep

50:03 Speaker 3: coming up and it kept pushing it down. And that's

50:05 Speaker 3: where we got all that all those metal flakes because

50:08 Speaker 3: it was a paddle bit heead so it looks like

50:09 Speaker 3: your hand, yeah, and it just sits there and if

50:13 Speaker 3: you will smacks whatever that object was and takes off

50:17 Speaker 3: all these metal flakes that we get that that's right.

50:21 Speaker 3: Then there's another one where he hits it and it

50:23 Speaker 3: pushes it up and he's trying to push it down.

50:26 Speaker 3: So that's where he's going. It's like a you get

50:28 Speaker 3: this dome shape potentially, right, So that's where some of

50:31 Speaker 3: that data comes from. And why we're going, is there

50:33 Speaker 3: a dome shaped object in there that leads us to

50:36 Speaker 3: the other company that comes out bigger drill Mark's Construction

50:42 Speaker 3: or Mark Construction from the last couple of years and

50:45 Speaker 3: do these two boreholes And that's where we get the

50:48 Speaker 3: ceramic like material that we found that you I'm assuming

50:53 Speaker 3: you've seen season six and all that.

50:55 Speaker 1: Yes, so you guys are getting a lot of this

50:57 Speaker 1: like really and and this material uh is frequently used

51:02 Speaker 1: in space space travel, like like space based technology, right.

51:09 Speaker 3: So that's what it's compared to yes, So we have

51:12 Speaker 3: the metal that's fired and it has two distinct chemical compositions,

51:16 Speaker 3: and that's the metal material that we found with Aaron

51:19 Speaker 3: Blunt on one side as posted the other. So like

51:23 Speaker 3: think a coin and you flip it and on the

51:25 Speaker 3: two sides there's two distinct material compositions. And the experts

51:31 Speaker 3: at the University of Utah that we went to said, yeah,

51:34 Speaker 3: it was as if it was fired and was definitely

51:36 Speaker 3: or it was definitely fired and created in some kind

51:42 Speaker 3: of furnace or something.

51:43 Speaker 1: Right.

51:44 Speaker 3: And then and the ceramic material, the ceramic like material

51:48 Speaker 3: that we pulled out and Chris Roberts recognized, yes, very similar,

51:53 Speaker 3: same thing has a lot of the same material composition

51:59 Speaker 3: or LMS elemental composition that is used by spaceship tiles, right,

52:06 Speaker 3: because your spaceship tiles are a ceramic right. So yeah,

52:11 Speaker 3: you know, we I don't want we don't actually know

52:15 Speaker 3: if that is space age material, right, That's a part

52:20 Speaker 3: of the mystery. And so I'm just I want to

52:23 Speaker 3: be careful about how you know.

52:25 Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no, no, I and I totally get

52:27 Speaker 1: what you're you have to be. Yeah, I'm like this too.

52:32 Speaker 1: Of course, this is all allegedly with with with these

52:37 Speaker 1: expert opinions that we've been given. This is the information that's.

52:41 Speaker 3: It's pointing towards certain things, right and that and that

52:44 Speaker 3: That's another point is like the evidence is people like

52:48 Speaker 3: to focus on one thing, you know, especially like the

52:51 Speaker 3: crowd that likes to dis kind of they look at

52:52 Speaker 3: one thing and and try and throw it out, and

52:56 Speaker 3: and and so I I this is where I go

52:59 Speaker 3: back to elect The long enforcement side is one piece

53:01 Speaker 3: of evidence can or cannot throw you know, the investigation

53:07 Speaker 3: in certain ways. But that's just one piece. You can't

53:10 Speaker 3: throw out the entire evidence collection right at the end

53:15 Speaker 3: of day. Like, that's why court cases take so long.

53:18 Speaker 3: So why investigations take so long, because you're going after

53:21 Speaker 3: the totality of the circumstances. Yeah, right, And yes, there

53:26 Speaker 3: are pieces of evidence that can absolutely change the direction

53:31 Speaker 3: of investigations. And that's again why we're so careful because

53:38 Speaker 3: we know that they're I know, personally one of these

53:42 Speaker 3: people and other individuals. Obviously people know that people go

53:48 Speaker 3: out and create stuff and or trying to make something

53:51 Speaker 3: more than what it is. Right when you start going

53:54 Speaker 3: down that road, we have a term for it in

53:56 Speaker 3: the in law enforcement, it's called fruit the poisonous tree. One.

54:00 Speaker 3: If you are creating false evidence or or doing something illegal,

54:04 Speaker 3: that's that will get your entire case thrown out. Or

54:08 Speaker 3: if you are you know, lying about stuff, you know

54:11 Speaker 3: like that, that's what fruit of the poisonous tree is,

54:14 Speaker 3: is you're gaining information through illegal means to try and

54:19 Speaker 3: sway your case. Right. We're extremely diligent and don't want

54:26 Speaker 3: to go and will not go down that road, right,

54:29 Speaker 3: which is too crazy because if you start doing that

54:35 Speaker 3: in just one case, what's to stop you from doing

54:37 Speaker 3: it in other cases? Right? That's why we stick to

54:43 Speaker 3: you know, the official when it comes to the official investigation.

54:47 Speaker 3: We're doing what we can with the scientific method, using equipment,

54:54 Speaker 3: you know, doing it the way we're doing it.

54:57 Speaker 1: Yeah, Right, And I think I think the progression that

55:01 Speaker 1: at least that I've seen is you know where it

55:04 Speaker 1: started to like when I want to ask you about

55:07 Speaker 1: this is you know, it's gone along a long way

55:10 Speaker 1: from being you know, big Lows Skinwalker ranch and you

55:16 Speaker 1: know all those like cryptid stories, and it's really shifted

55:19 Speaker 1: into the later latter years being more of an investigator

55:23 Speaker 1: investigation into not like the nuts and bolts, But you

55:27 Speaker 1: guys are still you know, you're not drawing conclusions, and

55:31 Speaker 1: it's and it is more of a science based approach.

55:36 Speaker 4: That's what it's always been.

55:38 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I and I really do respect that.

55:40 Speaker 1: I do think it's probably the most expensive, ongoing, probably

55:45 Speaker 1: ever investigation into the phenomena. And I while I'm why,

55:49 Speaker 1: I know you guys don't like to speculate. I mean

55:53 Speaker 1: you've phoned in on this area.

55:55 Speaker 3: What we so we try to make it very clear

55:59 Speaker 3: we we will go into this realm of speculation, right,

56:02 Speaker 3: that's where some of our ideas for different experiments comes from.

56:08 Speaker 3: Obviously it's it's very is very much part of the discussion.

56:11 Speaker 3: But where we try to make that very clear. Look,

56:15 Speaker 3: this is speculation. This is us having fun talking about

56:17 Speaker 3: certain things. Right, based on what we're the experiences and

56:20 Speaker 3: the experiments and the data. Again, we're like Eric has

56:23 Speaker 3: made it in Travis, we follow the data right absolutely.

56:29 Speaker 3: So you know we have something happened in season one

56:32 Speaker 3: with a laser where you they shoot one laser at

56:37 Speaker 3: the mesa and you start seeing two lasers open around.

56:41 Speaker 3: That was crazy, right, and that leads and so that

56:44 Speaker 3: stuck with me so I'm like, why don't we take

56:47 Speaker 3: him laser shoot it straight up in the triangle. So

56:50 Speaker 3: I go season three, two years later, I have that opportunity.

56:54 Speaker 3: I shoot a laser up and there's an interruption in

56:57 Speaker 3: the beam, like it's the laser split. I apologize. My

57:02 Speaker 3: mother in law's out on the yard now, so hopefully

57:08 Speaker 3: so sorry if you hear.

57:09 Speaker 2: That, so I will cut it.

57:14 Speaker 3: But yeah, so I go out and I shoot that

57:17 Speaker 3: laser up. The first thing I see is there's an

57:19 Speaker 3: interruption in the beam. I keep hitting whatever that object

57:23 Speaker 3: is up there, and it's moving and something splits the beam.

57:27 Speaker 3: You and you also see a picture where the beam curves,

57:33 Speaker 3: you know, two three hundred feet up in the in

57:37 Speaker 3: the sky.

57:38 Speaker 1: And there right, which is pretty Again, so you guys

57:42 Speaker 1: have focused on these so even the triangle, right, that's

57:47 Speaker 1: all these.

57:47 Speaker 3: All these different things happen, you know, like that, that's

57:51 Speaker 3: that's what's it's a convergence. Yeah, when you really look

57:55 Speaker 3: at all the totality of all these things going on,

57:58 Speaker 3: I don't know how anyone can throw that out.

58:02 Speaker 1: Yeah, you guys have gotten a lot of very very

58:04 Speaker 1: interesting data, and I think a lot of people, a

58:09 Speaker 1: lot of people might, you know, they might like to

58:12 Speaker 1: talk about the more fantastical elements like the actual curse, right,

58:16 Speaker 1: the the like the.

58:19 Speaker 2: The mysticism of that and the and the actual ranch. Right.

58:23 Speaker 1: And I think even in the earlier seasons, you know,

58:26 Speaker 1: you guys explored that a little bit more than you

58:29 Speaker 1: are now because.

58:30 Speaker 2: You don't need to do all that recap.

58:33 Speaker 1: But I mean people were really affected by the Ranch

58:37 Speaker 1: in the beginning, but not as.

58:38 Speaker 4: Much now, right, Oh well we are.

58:43 Speaker 3: Well that's how I asks.

58:45 Speaker 2: How is that? Because in the earlier seasons you see.

58:48 Speaker 1: A lot of people getting like, like like physically something

58:52 Speaker 1: physically wrong, and I feel like that hasn't happened in

58:55 Speaker 1: a while. And I was gonna ask if there was

58:56 Speaker 1: any follow up like that still going on?

58:59 Speaker 2: Is it just less again?

59:01 Speaker 4: It's still it one.

59:02 Speaker 3: We can't make the Ranch tap dance, right, We're the

59:06 Speaker 3: ones being made to tap dance, if you will. But

59:12 Speaker 3: the Ranch is affecting people even today. And and this

59:18 Speaker 3: is one of those other parts is you guys are

59:20 Speaker 3: getting your information. If you're watching the television show, you're

59:23 Speaker 3: getting less than like one percent of the total information,

59:27 Speaker 3: and you're getting like the recaps, you're getting the amazing

59:29 Speaker 3: stuff right, because that's what people want to see, right,

59:32 Speaker 3: You're getting the highlights, and that's why, you know, again

59:37 Speaker 3: we have the insiders where we go in and do

59:40 Speaker 3: deeper dives like this. But then also why we're you know,

59:43 Speaker 3: we come on shows like this and try and give

59:45 Speaker 3: people more of that behind the scenes and more of

59:47 Speaker 3: the totality of the circumstances. Absolutely, you know, I've been

59:53 Speaker 3: thinking about this because this is to me, this is

59:54 Speaker 3: one of the best pieces of data and evidence that

1:00:01 Speaker 3: people can really familiarize themselves with that show. This is

1:00:05 Speaker 3: one hundred percent real. I have a picture from my

1:00:10 Speaker 3: eye that I got hit by some kind of energy,

1:00:13 Speaker 3: some kind of electromagnetic energy. In twenty nineteen, I was

1:00:18 Speaker 3: out with the group from the i L the Idaho

1:00:22 Speaker 3: National Laboratory. This group does specific chemical biological radiation testing

1:00:27 Speaker 3: for the military and trains the military on how to

1:00:30 Speaker 3: use their gear, how to use mop stuff. Right, I

1:00:34 Speaker 3: was out with this group. I was no more than

1:00:36 Speaker 3: two to three feet away from these guys. They had

1:00:39 Speaker 3: all the gizmos and gadgets of detecting this type of stuff,

1:00:43 Speaker 3: and I got hit. And I'll send you the picture

1:00:46 Speaker 3: ties that you can throw it in. And it felt

1:00:50 Speaker 3: like a day later, it felt like my eyes was

1:00:51 Speaker 3: getting ripped out of my head. I've never been in

1:00:52 Speaker 3: this much pain before in my life, right, So this

1:00:56 Speaker 3: all happens now. Fast forward to I believe it's season five.

1:01:02 Speaker 3: We are out at the drill site, broad daylight and

1:01:07 Speaker 3: a calf gets hit by some kind of energy and

1:01:09 Speaker 3: it goes blind and it sits there and spins in

1:01:12 Speaker 3: circles in front of us for a minute. We have

1:01:17 Speaker 3: those recordings. You guys see that in the television show.

1:01:20 Speaker 3: That was one hundred percent caught live in.

1:01:22 Speaker 4: The moment that was.

1:01:25 Speaker 2: That was a wild one.

1:01:26 Speaker 1: That because when I feel like when animals are involved,

1:01:28 Speaker 1: like it hits deeper, yeah, right, like emotionally taps something

1:01:33 Speaker 1: in us.

1:01:34 Speaker 2: And it was it was really hard.

1:01:36 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I sit here and go, you guys literally

1:01:39 Speaker 3: potentially saw one some type of animal mutilation live first time, right,

1:01:46 Speaker 3: or some kind of direct energy weapon that we don't

1:01:50 Speaker 3: know about. And if that's the case, who is doing

1:01:53 Speaker 3: it and why are they doing it especially out in

1:01:55 Speaker 3: the middle of freaking know where you do?

1:01:57 Speaker 2: You and ta basin, right, and.

1:01:59 Speaker 3: If you have the kind of capability again, why would

1:02:02 Speaker 3: you show that in that format? Yeah, it doesn't you

1:02:10 Speaker 3: if you have that kind of capability, as military say,

1:02:13 Speaker 3: you're going to hide that capability for as long as

1:02:15 Speaker 3: possible and do what you want.

1:02:18 Speaker 1: Are you are you going to or are you going

1:02:22 Speaker 1: to go to the middle of nowhere?

1:02:24 Speaker 3: And just right?

1:02:27 Speaker 1: And That's what I've always wondered, like these guys, these

1:02:30 Speaker 1: guys like John Alexander, right, and I'm sure you know

1:02:33 Speaker 1: who I'm talking about, actually know for a fact you do.

1:02:36 Speaker 1: He's known as the father of non lethal weaponry.

1:02:41 Speaker 3: Right, And why I honestly haven't.

1:02:44 Speaker 1: He's got a huge history with the ranch. Now, am

1:02:47 Speaker 1: I saying that I think this is some sort of

1:02:51 Speaker 1: testing ground or or or whatever.

1:02:55 Speaker 2: No.

1:02:55 Speaker 1: I think something is on that land that makes it

1:02:58 Speaker 1: worth going to do these types of things. I think

1:03:01 Speaker 1: something's bringing people there, right. Whether that's some sort of

1:03:05 Speaker 1: outside force or if it's some sort of UFO that's

1:03:08 Speaker 1: buried on the LD, I don't know, and I don't

1:03:11 Speaker 1: think anyone does know. Clearly there is something weird going

1:03:18 Speaker 1: on at that ranch.

1:03:20 Speaker 2: And is it human?

1:03:22 Speaker 1: Is it is it alien? Is it all of the above?

1:03:26 Speaker 1: I think those are all fair questions.

1:03:29 Speaker 3: I really did and.

1:03:32 Speaker 1: Sounds like a lot of people have been affected by

1:03:34 Speaker 1: by like these weird like invisible weapons, and and you know,

1:03:40 Speaker 1: forgive me for asking this, but have you ever entertained

1:03:43 Speaker 1: the idea, I mean, black helicopters always flying up where

1:03:46 Speaker 1: they shouldn't be. Could this be some sort of operation

1:03:50 Speaker 1: against you?

1:03:52 Speaker 3: It very well could be.

1:03:55 Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't hear you.

1:03:56 Speaker 3: No, h.

1:04:04 Speaker 2: H look at this? Are you you got the hitchhiker

1:04:08 Speaker 2: effect going right now?

1:04:10 Speaker 1: Maybe hold on, maybe try just try refreshing the browser

1:04:16 Speaker 1: and coming back in. Okay, that's weird, that's weird.

1:04:22 Speaker 2: Right as I ask, I, didn't.

1:04:33 Speaker 3: You hear me? Now?

1:04:37 Speaker 2: Speak again?

1:04:38 Speaker 3: Can you hear me? Now?

1:04:41 Speaker 6: There you go?

1:04:41 Speaker 2: Yeah?

1:04:41 Speaker 1: Yeah that So do you think that that could be

1:04:46 Speaker 1: I mean again, some sort of hitchhiker effect?

1:04:48 Speaker 2: We'll get to that in a minute, trust me, guys.

1:04:50 Speaker 3: Well I always joked because uh, well I'm on phone

1:04:54 Speaker 3: calls and I can hear it, like click something in

1:04:58 Speaker 3: the background, and I'm like, oh, one was listening to

1:05:00 Speaker 3: us now? And generally if it's like near my marine buddies,

1:05:04 Speaker 3: we all we start giving whoever's on the other side

1:05:06 Speaker 3: more shit, Like really, you're going to listen to us

1:05:09 Speaker 3: of all people. But no, you're hitting it very much

1:05:13 Speaker 3: on the head of conversations that we're having all the

1:05:16 Speaker 3: time and asking those questions, is it you know, is

1:05:20 Speaker 3: this a near peer? Is this non human intelligence? What

1:05:24 Speaker 3: is it? And why? Right? And that's really what's driving

1:05:29 Speaker 3: the investigation, is what really is it? And that's where

1:05:36 Speaker 3: you're kind of and me making me think about this

1:05:39 Speaker 3: thought that I keep having the last two years that

1:05:42 Speaker 3: really just keeps coming up in my head because for

1:05:44 Speaker 3: eight years I've been sitting out on this property and

1:05:46 Speaker 3: involved with these investigation, having having these experiences on and

1:05:51 Speaker 3: off the ranch, and I constantly hear how science is

1:05:59 Speaker 3: supposed to work, or or these principles are supposed to

1:06:02 Speaker 3: work in the science theory and all this stuff, and

1:06:05 Speaker 3: how all this equipment is supposed to work and yet

1:06:08 Speaker 3: it never does, or or we have major issues where

1:06:14 Speaker 3: it doesn't do what it's supposed to do, and it's

1:06:17 Speaker 3: in the data it reflects and all these things. Right,

1:06:20 Speaker 3: And so I'm sit here going our entire beliefs, this

1:06:24 Speaker 3: entire I call science its own religion, and it's just

1:06:29 Speaker 3: as fallible as all these other ones. In my mind

1:06:31 Speaker 3: at this point, based on what I'm seeing out on

1:06:33 Speaker 3: that ranch.

1:06:35 Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's why I ask you, isn't it weird?

1:06:38 Speaker 2: How right?

1:06:38 Speaker 1: When I ask if this could be some sort of

1:06:41 Speaker 1: operation against you?

1:06:43 Speaker 2: Right, like very well, do you guys think about that?

1:06:47 Speaker 4: And all the time?

1:06:51 Speaker 3: Yeah, So I think you're probably familiar with the night

1:06:55 Speaker 3: that we shoot the rockets off. We have the high

1:06:58 Speaker 3: speed cameras. We call it the blob which I hate

1:07:00 Speaker 3: that we called the blob, I think names for it

1:07:05 Speaker 3: and that block, and we have a black Hawk come

1:07:07 Speaker 3: in within minutes. And if you go back and look

1:07:12 Speaker 3: at that night we shot and we we we do this,

1:07:17 Speaker 3: and we talked about this. We shot three rockets off

1:07:20 Speaker 3: that night and if I mean, if you go back in, look,

1:07:22 Speaker 3: that night was very much off the seat of our pants.

1:07:27 Speaker 3: We had a whole different plan that we were trying

1:07:31 Speaker 3: to execute for that day, but it fell through, because yes,

1:07:34 Speaker 3: we do make plans. It's you know, we we try

1:07:37 Speaker 3: to have a schedule. We try to get the most

1:07:40 Speaker 3: bang for our buck, if you will. We don't have

1:07:42 Speaker 3: a script, nothing scripted. But the plan fell through. The

1:07:49 Speaker 3: gentleman with the Hegsby cameras got there early and we

1:07:52 Speaker 3: were like, okay, you know, let's go shoot rockets out

1:07:54 Speaker 3: in the middle of the triangle and use the heistby

1:07:56 Speaker 3: cameras and see what happens. Yeah, it was literally that conversation.

1:08:01 Speaker 3: Three mints out, we shoot our first rockets, our second rocket,

1:08:05 Speaker 3: we shoot, and we see a UAP over the ranch.

1:08:10 Speaker 3: And when you look at the timing and again we've

1:08:15 Speaker 3: done this, that UAP comes over. We're talking about it

1:08:19 Speaker 3: on the radios where we're, oh, that was cool. You know,

1:08:21 Speaker 3: let's shoot the third one off. So the third one shoots,

1:08:24 Speaker 3: we catch whatever that is in the heighspeed camera and

1:08:29 Speaker 3: Eric actually got a second view from a whole different

1:08:32 Speaker 3: camera from another location on the ranch, so we know

1:08:34 Speaker 3: it's there. It's not just a single camera event. It's

1:08:38 Speaker 3: multiple camera events, which is very important.

1:08:41 Speaker 1: Very very important, especially in an investigation like this. Yes,

1:08:45 Speaker 1: when you have a multi angle now you can rule

1:08:48 Speaker 1: out tons of prosaic explanations.

1:08:51 Speaker 3: And it very much confirms that there was something there.

1:08:54 Speaker 3: And that same camera angle shows that black hawk that

1:09:00 Speaker 3: comes in. Because there's a lot of really crazy stuff

1:09:02 Speaker 3: that happens. So one, when you again when you look

1:09:05 Speaker 3: at the background and look at this in the timeframe,

1:09:09 Speaker 3: that we really see we first see that UAP and

1:09:13 Speaker 3: are talking about it over radio, you know, reporting this

1:09:18 Speaker 3: and just talking about it amongst ourselves in that amount

1:09:22 Speaker 3: of time, if you launched the black Hawk helicopter from

1:09:25 Speaker 3: one of the bases on the Watatch Front, that helicopters

1:09:30 Speaker 3: entering our airspace the moment or you know, just at

1:09:34 Speaker 3: the exact moment that we shoot that third rock get off.

1:09:40 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's got that seems a bit.

1:09:43 Speaker 3: So either we were being listened to or assets off

1:09:50 Speaker 3: the ranch caught whatever that object was during our second

1:09:55 Speaker 3: rocket launch and they were like, what the hell is that?

1:09:58 Speaker 3: Get eyes on see if we can get eyes on

1:10:00 Speaker 3: on it, and they send that Blackhawk out.

1:10:05 Speaker 2: So that's another.

1:10:08 Speaker 1: That's another cause that's kind of like a merger between

1:10:12 Speaker 1: the two could now the government Okay, so if we

1:10:17 Speaker 1: if I play the timeline right, Bigelow is doing work

1:10:22 Speaker 1: contracting at least to some degree with the United States government, right, Yeah, we.

1:10:27 Speaker 4: Know we know that contract.

1:10:29 Speaker 3: It was like twenty two million dollars from I can't

1:10:31 Speaker 3: remember that senator's.

1:10:32 Speaker 2: Name, Harry Reid.

1:10:35 Speaker 1: Both of them are based out of Las Vegas, so

1:10:37 Speaker 1: is coincidentally George Knapp, who breaks all the stories not

1:10:43 Speaker 1: two coincidental actually, if you actually think about it, very

1:10:47 Speaker 1: pointed and obvious. But anyway, I digress. The government now

1:10:54 Speaker 1: knows something weird's happening, right.

1:10:56 Speaker 3: M and then we know about Mount Wilson, we know

1:10:59 Speaker 3: about some of these other locations, right, so you know, and.

1:11:02 Speaker 2: So they don't want to do that.

1:11:05 Speaker 1: They don't want to spend the money anymore, right, but

1:11:07 Speaker 1: they but they certainly want to see the results still,

1:11:11 Speaker 1: so they sell it off to Brandon, or Bigel sells

1:11:16 Speaker 1: it off to Brandon. I'm just playing a hypothetical here, right,

1:11:19 Speaker 1: And Brandon unexpectedly launches this amazing investigation which is going

1:11:25 Speaker 1: to prompt a lot of stuff going on at the ranch. Again,

1:11:29 Speaker 1: if I was a smart government, I would say, Okay,

1:11:32 Speaker 1: they're doing the work for us.

1:11:33 Speaker 2: We just need to be there for the results, right.

1:11:36 Speaker 3: You know. And that's part of you know, part of

1:11:39 Speaker 3: our stance has been you're not going to get disclosure

1:11:42 Speaker 3: from the government. You're going to get it from private source. Right.

1:11:46 Speaker 3: And then, and I'm always asked this, you know, like,

1:11:49 Speaker 3: what do you think about the government. I'm like, one,

1:11:53 Speaker 3: I'm the kind of person going, why do you need

1:11:56 Speaker 3: permission from the government? To believe or think or do anything. Okay,

1:12:01 Speaker 3: I don't. I'm not one that thinks the government is

1:12:03 Speaker 3: here to tell me how.

1:12:04 Speaker 2: And what I'm you know, that's not there.

1:12:07 Speaker 3: No, that's I know that's an old fashioned American thought process,

1:12:10 Speaker 3: but we need it more.

1:12:15 Speaker 4: Like I agree.

1:12:17 Speaker 3: So I've when I get asked this kind of topic,

1:12:20 Speaker 3: this question, I go, why do you need permission from

1:12:22 Speaker 3: the government to believe in this stuff? If you, especially

1:12:25 Speaker 3: if you've seen things, if you, if you've gathered information.

1:12:28 Speaker 2: On it, do you a validation thing? Honestly?

1:12:32 Speaker 3: Right? Oh, yeah, that's all it is. It's just the

1:12:34 Speaker 3: validation thing.

1:12:36 Speaker 1: But yeah, and they've they've and they've certainly if if

1:12:39 Speaker 1: validation is all we needed, and we don't need the

1:12:42 Speaker 1: president at the podium saying you know, we're not alone,

1:12:46 Speaker 1: I think validation has already happened. The validation came, you know,

1:12:50 Speaker 1: very early on in the in the you know, from

1:12:54 Speaker 1: the time Brandon brought the ranch to when you started

1:12:57 Speaker 1: working their Twenty seventeen is a very year that something

1:13:02 Speaker 1: kicks off into this new wave of interest, Right was

1:13:06 Speaker 1: that New York Times article?

1:13:08 Speaker 2: Well?

1:13:08 Speaker 3: And then also yeah, and that was the thing, is

1:13:10 Speaker 3: I from my understanding, there's really no connection between us

1:13:15 Speaker 3: like individually in that article, right, Like, but a lot

1:13:18 Speaker 3: of our stuff is obviously connected to this.

1:13:22 Speaker 2: I was gonna and we do talk about this like, we.

1:13:25 Speaker 3: Are very much helping lead a lot of these discussions.

1:13:28 Speaker 3: Right We had if you go back and you're probably

1:13:32 Speaker 3: familiar with this, we had Ryan Graves on the show

1:13:36 Speaker 3: that was like a month after he was out at

1:13:39 Speaker 3: the hearings. Obviously it plays a year later, but when

1:13:43 Speaker 3: you look at the actual timeline.

1:13:46 Speaker 1: He's there on the day, he's when he's doing the

1:13:50 Speaker 1: hearing and filming is only a few months.

1:13:53 Speaker 3: If I'm and and and you know, I feel I

1:13:57 Speaker 3: would be remiss if I don't bring up this. I

1:13:59 Speaker 3: think this is one of our better pieces of information.

1:14:02 Speaker 3: Talked about too is Jay Stratton. When people Jay Stratton

1:14:07 Speaker 3: is and his involvement, his background, his credentials. He is

1:14:12 Speaker 3: such a lynchpin in all this and people really need

1:14:14 Speaker 3: to pay attention to who he is. And and I'm

1:14:17 Speaker 3: not just saying that because I am a good friend

1:14:18 Speaker 3: of his, but over the last couple of years I've

1:14:21 Speaker 3: been able to obviously interact with him and his family

1:14:23 Speaker 3: and got to know and know them on that personal level.

1:14:27 Speaker 3: And he's the one who uh created or coined the

1:14:36 Speaker 3: term hitchhiker effect. He's the one who you know, start

1:14:43 Speaker 3: had some of these experiments.

1:14:44 Speaker 1: He's the through line between all these government programs, right.

1:14:49 Speaker 3: He was the one that obviously, he was the one

1:14:51 Speaker 3: leading the UAP Task Force in very early on. He's

1:14:55 Speaker 3: the one that approached Travis. Obviously Travis's involvement with his

1:15:00 Speaker 3: work in the army and all that, and and what

1:15:02 Speaker 3: his background is. Jay approaches him because Travis saw stuff

1:15:07 Speaker 3: on their NCH in season one and went what the hell,

1:15:10 Speaker 3: and knowing some of the information that he was privy to,

1:15:12 Speaker 3: he reported up the chain because he's like, I have

1:15:15 Speaker 3: to report this. Jay sees that, goes, okay, Travis has

1:15:21 Speaker 3: these you know, sees his background, goes and basically interviews

1:15:25 Speaker 3: Travis and then goes, hey, I want you to come

1:15:27 Speaker 3: and work on the UAP Task Force, but you can't

1:15:29 Speaker 3: hell anybody.

1:15:31 Speaker 2: Right yeah, yeah, yeah, And.

1:15:35 Speaker 3: That's where I go. I have top secret clearance in

1:15:37 Speaker 3: the Marines. I know the game. I understand why. I mean,

1:15:40 Speaker 3: you know, it doesn't bother me.

1:15:43 Speaker 1: But like again, if we go back to this idea

1:15:47 Speaker 1: that the say the government, there is a faction of

1:15:49 Speaker 1: the government that's tapping into you guys, did you ever

1:15:53 Speaker 1: wonder that? And I again, I don't really even want

1:15:57 Speaker 1: to say this the utter of these words, because again,

1:16:00 Speaker 1: did you ever did you ever think and be like Travis,

1:16:03 Speaker 1: like maybe that the government figure like found out that

1:16:09 Speaker 1: the investigation was going on through travis Is involvement.

1:16:13 Speaker 3: No, obviously that was one of the things that they

1:16:16 Speaker 3: tried to you know, the that was obviously parts of

1:16:21 Speaker 3: the discussion there. There was some members on the team

1:16:24 Speaker 3: that were upset for about five seconds.

1:16:27 Speaker 1: Yeah, because but then again, if you do know anything

1:16:29 Speaker 1: about that kind of clearance and stuff, you have to say, Okay, listen,

1:16:34 Speaker 1: I do understand, right, we always want to believe that

1:16:37 Speaker 1: it's like we're the dude, I thought I was different,

1:16:40 Speaker 1: Like I thought you would have told us something like that.

1:16:43 Speaker 3: No, No, I didn't look at it that way because

1:16:46 Speaker 3: I guess I looked at it at that time of

1:16:49 Speaker 3: they brought him in because of what happened out here,

1:16:53 Speaker 3: or Jay brought him in and did the leg work

1:16:56 Speaker 3: and found out that Travis is very much interested in

1:16:59 Speaker 3: what's going on, just like most of us are now

1:17:01 Speaker 3: at this point, right, wants to find the answers is

1:17:04 Speaker 3: this near human or are a near peer? Or is

1:17:07 Speaker 3: this whatever? This is? Right? So I was like, no,

1:17:10 Speaker 3: he's there because of what is happening out here, Like

1:17:13 Speaker 3: it's very much showing how much Skinwalker Ranch is.

1:17:20 Speaker 1: What's that sorry, it's showing how much they are paying attention.

1:17:24 Speaker 3: Yes, and also just go on that deeper level again,

1:17:29 Speaker 3: just shows how much this Ranch is helping lead and

1:17:33 Speaker 3: shape the entire conversation.

1:17:37 Speaker 1: Yeah, because again you think about that, right, that twenty

1:17:40 Speaker 1: seventeen article. They they name a tip, but a tip

1:17:49 Speaker 1: you could argue isn't actually the program. It's as app

1:17:52 Speaker 1: the twenty million dollars actually was rewarded to and as

1:17:55 Speaker 1: App has clear cut, clear connections to Skinwalker Ranch. So

1:17:59 Speaker 1: skin Walker Ranch has been at the heart of this

1:18:04 Speaker 1: kind of movement since that, since that article, and and

1:18:08 Speaker 1: and it's come a long way in the investigatory phase that.

1:18:14 Speaker 3: And on that on that topic, I I know a

1:18:17 Speaker 3: lot of the history of those programs obviously and whatnot.

1:18:20 Speaker 3: And That's where I'm going. Just Jay Stratton, right, he's

1:18:27 Speaker 3: you know, he was so involved with all this stuff.

1:18:28 Speaker 3: He was the actual leader on a lot of these

1:18:32 Speaker 3: programs and doing the investigation and going in and like,

1:18:37 Speaker 3: there's individuals that I know of that have their name

1:18:40 Speaker 3: out there everybody wants to talk about, but iact, but

1:18:43 Speaker 3: I and I know those the backstories to them. But

1:18:46 Speaker 3: and that's where I'm going. It's when people understand Jay

1:18:49 Speaker 3: and when he starts talking about this stuff, it lines up.

1:18:54 Speaker 2: Yeah, So what do you think?

1:18:57 Speaker 1: What what do you think that the government? I mean,

1:19:04 Speaker 1: this was obviously speculatory in its generality, But do you

1:19:10 Speaker 1: think or do with everything that's you've seen, you've encountered,

1:19:16 Speaker 1: with everything that you've looked, you know, however hard you've

1:19:19 Speaker 1: looked into it, Like, do you believe that the government

1:19:23 Speaker 1: does know of the existence of some sort of non

1:19:25 Speaker 1: human intelligence?

1:19:27 Speaker 3: I would say yeah, yeah, yeah. And again like for

1:19:33 Speaker 3: for me personally, I had some experiences very you know,

1:19:38 Speaker 3: a couple of years before I didn't go into them

1:19:41 Speaker 3: that were much more in my mind spiritual and faith based,

1:19:47 Speaker 3: you know, and and led me down this road of

1:19:50 Speaker 3: why I'm a practicing Christian.

1:19:53 Speaker 1: That's right, because you actually let so you were a

1:19:55 Speaker 1: Mormon if I'm not mistaken, correct.

1:19:58 Speaker 3: Yeah, uh, member of the Church of Jesus Christ the

1:20:01 Speaker 3: Latter day sayings.

1:20:02 Speaker 4: Sorry, I try not to.

1:20:04 Speaker 3: No, I'm not a Mormon. I know plenty of them,

1:20:07 Speaker 3: but there's a distinct difference.

1:20:10 Speaker 1: Right right, So, but you are a practicing member of

1:20:12 Speaker 1: the Church of Latter day Saints and you you stepped

1:20:18 Speaker 1: away from that thinking and you are now practicing Christian.

1:20:24 Speaker 1: Does that play a role in like how you look

1:20:26 Speaker 1: at this?

1:20:27 Speaker 2: Oh?

1:20:27 Speaker 3: Yeah, because again, like I grew up in in the

1:20:30 Speaker 3: LDS faith, but my brothers and I were kind of

1:20:33 Speaker 3: the black sheep, if you will, Like we weren't the

1:20:35 Speaker 3: family that goes every Sunday. I very much believe in

1:20:39 Speaker 3: the books. I believe in in that it's another testament

1:20:43 Speaker 3: of Christ. The Book of Mormon, you know, it tells

1:20:46 Speaker 3: a history and and just like the Bible, it tells

1:20:50 Speaker 3: us a history and gives us the laws, you know,

1:20:54 Speaker 3: these higher level laws that if we follow them, you

1:20:56 Speaker 3: know you're gonna be fine. And and then obviously when

1:21:01 Speaker 3: my dad died, I was not in any shape or

1:21:04 Speaker 3: form kind of practicing any kind of religion. And I

1:21:07 Speaker 3: was very much more part of the world, if you will,

1:21:10 Speaker 3: or going down some of these different thought processes, it's

1:21:13 Speaker 3: probably more accurate and It shocked me out of that

1:21:17 Speaker 3: and made me kind of restart rethinking the direction I

1:21:21 Speaker 3: was going and going, Okay, what's really you know, the truth?

1:21:24 Speaker 3: What's really you know out there?

1:21:27 Speaker 1: Yeah?

1:21:28 Speaker 3: And that led right, and that led me to the

1:21:32 Speaker 3: Tony robin stuff, that led me to Bob Proctor, that

1:21:35 Speaker 3: led me to Jim Rohn. You know, so I'm I'm

1:21:39 Speaker 3: a big Tony Robbins person. So I kind of look

1:21:41 Speaker 3: at it like, you know that those years leading up

1:21:45 Speaker 3: to before my involvement on the ranch kind of this.

1:21:51 Speaker 3: You know, how's our minds work? How how do our

1:21:54 Speaker 3: minds affect reality? How? How does our you know, how

1:21:59 Speaker 3: do we affect things?

1:22:00 Speaker 1: You? Yeah, I would argue, so the Institute of Noetic Sciences,

1:22:04 Speaker 1: And obviously people would be familiar with this because the

1:22:08 Speaker 1: guy who founded it is I think the sixth man.

1:22:12 Speaker 2: To walk on the moon if I'm not right, right,

1:22:14 Speaker 2: Edgar Edgar?

1:22:15 Speaker 1: Right?

1:22:16 Speaker 2: Uh?

1:22:17 Speaker 1: Yeah, Edgar that the astronaut that was into this stuff.

1:22:22 Speaker 1: He did the Institute of Noedic Sciences. Why might why.

1:22:27 Speaker 3: That would be something I'd have to look into it.

1:22:30 Speaker 1: It's I mean, it is important that I'm forgetting his

1:22:32 Speaker 1: name right now, but it's he was.

1:22:35 Speaker 2: He was doctor Greer's guy.

1:22:37 Speaker 1: Edgar God damn it Mitchell, Edgar Mitchell, Edgar Mitchell.

1:22:41 Speaker 2: Sorry, so check this out.

1:22:43 Speaker 1: Institute of Nedic Sciences is founded by this This by

1:22:47 Speaker 1: Edgar Mitchell. Edgar Mitchell is one of these guys that

1:22:51 Speaker 1: went to the moon, had this like life changing experience

1:22:55 Speaker 1: when he was on his way back to Earth he

1:22:57 Speaker 1: saw Earth and that had that like observer.

1:22:59 Speaker 2: Effect or whatever that astronauts get.

1:23:02 Speaker 1: And he came back down to Earth and like that,

1:23:05 Speaker 1: he was like kind of like a change person.

1:23:08 Speaker 2: And he goes on.

1:23:10 Speaker 1: He found a bunch of stuff he or does a

1:23:13 Speaker 1: bunch of stuff, but he found found this Noetic science institute.

1:23:17 Speaker 1: They do this study where they speak to water before

1:23:21 Speaker 1: they freeze it, and there's anything that has positive connotation,

1:23:25 Speaker 1: words like love, words like you know that had like

1:23:29 Speaker 1: that the good positive connotation. The crystals would freeze beautifully.

1:23:34 Speaker 2: And yeah, you're.

1:23:36 Speaker 3: Referencing the study from or the guy who really started

1:23:41 Speaker 3: going down that was that Japanese doctor.

1:23:43 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah exactly.

1:23:45 Speaker 1: So I guess what the what I take out of it,

1:23:50 Speaker 1: The moral of the of the the investigative investigation was

1:23:56 Speaker 1: that our words are intent. They affect the mass utter

1:24:00 Speaker 1: and they really do matter, right, Our words and intent matters.

1:24:05 Speaker 2: It literally changes the matter around us.

1:24:08 Speaker 1: So if we go into a place and we have

1:24:11 Speaker 1: bad intent, I think that's when people have negative experiences. Say,

1:24:16 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, I don't know how this would

1:24:19 Speaker 1: come into play on Skidwalker Ranch, but I mean if

1:24:22 Speaker 1: you're just having a bad day and you come in

1:24:24 Speaker 1: with bad intent, you know, is that the day that

1:24:26 Speaker 1: you're more likely to be.

1:24:29 Speaker 4: Injured?

1:24:31 Speaker 3: Yeah, So this is where I would say that we

1:24:33 Speaker 3: start having that conversation of we're moving away from you know,

1:24:40 Speaker 3: the official stance of course.

1:24:43 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, just make that very clear.

1:24:47 Speaker 3: But yeah, this is something that I think for me,

1:24:51 Speaker 3: this is one of the kind of topics that I

1:24:55 Speaker 3: go into a lot more. And I can tell you well,

1:24:58 Speaker 3: Travis he he wrote the one book, The Science Behind

1:25:02 Speaker 3: the Secret, So if you're familiar with the one book

1:25:04 Speaker 3: The Secret, it's the one that very much talks about

1:25:07 Speaker 3: this idea of like whatever you think about you can create, right,

1:25:11 Speaker 3: And I'm very much a proponent of that, and that

1:25:14 Speaker 3: to me, I'm going I've had those experiences where because

1:25:20 Speaker 3: again go back before the Ranch, I'm introduced to this

1:25:24 Speaker 3: type of stuff. I start doing the tools, if you will,

1:25:28 Speaker 3: and I would say I had things that happened that

1:25:32 Speaker 3: I was like, Okay, maybe it's working. You know. There

1:25:35 Speaker 3: were things that happened with in my personal life, with

1:25:39 Speaker 3: how my wife and I wanted things happen, if you will,

1:25:44 Speaker 3: levels of income, things like that, you know, how we

1:25:46 Speaker 3: wanted to do things. Yeah, but this the first real big,

1:25:52 Speaker 3: my big success, if you will, is my first day

1:25:58 Speaker 3: on the ranch is twenty seven Halloween.

1:26:01 Speaker 2: Halloween.

1:26:01 Speaker 4: Bro, why.

1:26:04 Speaker 3: Nothing happens. It was just normal night. I hear all

1:26:07 Speaker 3: the stories. At that time, I'm still working at this

1:26:10 Speaker 3: other job that was kind of I hated it. It

1:26:12 Speaker 3: was I was helping run the bus system out here.

1:26:16 Speaker 2: Yeah that is tedious.

1:26:17 Speaker 3: Oh, it was miserable. There were great people there, There

1:26:20 Speaker 3: were some good people there.

1:26:22 Speaker 1: But it's yeah, it's every day the same thing.

1:26:25 Speaker 3: Anyway. So I get to this point where I'm like,

1:26:27 Speaker 3: all right, New Year's rolls around twenty eighteen January. First,

1:26:32 Speaker 3: I'm sitting in this office and I go, you know,

1:26:37 Speaker 3: I used to do all this cool stuff. I was

1:26:39 Speaker 3: on marine. I was on a Marine Corps tanker. You know,

1:26:41 Speaker 3: I was playing rugby. I was doing all this cool

1:26:43 Speaker 3: stuff in college and now this is my life, right

1:26:47 Speaker 3: and kidding me? Right, So I and I go, okay,

1:26:51 Speaker 3: either this stuff works or it doesn't. Right, I just

1:26:54 Speaker 3: kind of hit this wall, this this bottom part where

1:26:58 Speaker 3: I'm going either this stuff works or it doesn't. And

1:27:02 Speaker 3: I really thought about it, and I was like, all right,

1:27:03 Speaker 3: I've used these kind of There are certain tools, you know,

1:27:06 Speaker 3: there's the affirmation stuff, there's you know, certain things. But

1:27:10 Speaker 3: the one big tool that I learned from the individual

1:27:15 Speaker 3: at that time was you write your own story.

1:27:18 Speaker 2: There you go.

1:27:19 Speaker 3: And it's it's very much aligned with goals and right,

1:27:24 Speaker 3: but what it is is how you start it. And

1:27:27 Speaker 3: anybody could do this as you basically write my name

1:27:32 Speaker 3: is cayleab Bench and my story goes like this. And

1:27:34 Speaker 3: how I learned it was that first paragraph you put

1:27:36 Speaker 3: something in. They're so crazy, so out there all you

1:27:39 Speaker 3: could do is laugh if it happens, right, and you

1:27:42 Speaker 3: don't want to put so much detail into it that

1:27:45 Speaker 3: the universe can't go to work for you, right, And

1:27:49 Speaker 3: then every subsequent paragraph you can write whatever you want.

1:27:52 Speaker 3: And some of the rules are as long as it's

1:27:54 Speaker 3: more ill, legal and ethical right rits.

1:27:57 Speaker 1: If you want to say, be like success, like say

1:28:01 Speaker 1: it was me right, I write, my name is Tyler Roberts.

1:28:04 Speaker 1: You know, I want to be a successful podcaster, journalist.

1:28:09 Speaker 2: That these are the steps I'll take. You know. It's

1:28:11 Speaker 2: it's that kind of thing.

1:28:12 Speaker 3: Right, is this much more? Much more story?

1:28:17 Speaker 2: Oh? Okay?

1:28:18 Speaker 3: So so for example, and like why I'm bringing this

1:28:21 Speaker 3: up clip that this is very much the stuff I

1:28:24 Speaker 3: think about when I'm out on the property. But I

1:28:27 Speaker 3: write in my first paragraph and I guess this is

1:28:31 Speaker 3: where I used to say. I never really thought about

1:28:34 Speaker 3: being on television, and I never thought about being in

1:28:37 Speaker 3: like movies and stuff. Obviously growing up, who doesn't want

1:28:40 Speaker 3: to like when you're growing up watching Star Wars.

1:28:42 Speaker 4: Oh man, I'll be in Star Wars, of course.

1:28:44 Speaker 3: But at that point, you know, I'm out here in

1:28:47 Speaker 3: the basin. There's none of that type of stuff.

1:28:50 Speaker 1: There's no movies, star There's no no way, no.

1:28:55 Speaker 3: And again, my first day on the answer is twenty

1:28:57 Speaker 3: was like two months before this, and I'm sitting in

1:29:02 Speaker 3: that office and I write this story. You know, my

1:29:05 Speaker 3: name Scale Bench. My story goes like this, I act

1:29:07 Speaker 3: in the Star Wars movie. I have good relations with

1:29:11 Speaker 3: the director I have good relations with the cast. It's

1:29:13 Speaker 3: a good positive experience. It's fun, you know, because I

1:29:18 Speaker 3: remember seeing and where I got that idea was there

1:29:20 Speaker 3: was a little ad on the computer, you know those

1:29:22 Speaker 3: little sidebar ads where it was like when this sweepstakes

1:29:29 Speaker 3: and you can be an extra in the next Star

1:29:31 Speaker 3: Wars movie or something.

1:29:33 Speaker 1: Oh because yeah, yeah, the trilogy sequels.

1:29:37 Speaker 3: I want to say it was a rogue one and

1:29:41 Speaker 3: just come out or something like that was the big.

1:29:43 Speaker 2: Yeah, that was That was my favorite out of the new.

1:29:47 Speaker 3: Discussion.

1:29:48 Speaker 2: Yeah.

1:29:50 Speaker 3: Anyways, I'm sitting there and that's my that's my first

1:29:53 Speaker 3: I was like, no way, but but it's not the thing.

1:29:57 Speaker 3: But the trick is too, is you don't do the negative. Oh,

1:30:00 Speaker 3: this isn't gonna happen. No, it's only this is what

1:30:02 Speaker 3: you want to have happen, right, So you read it,

1:30:04 Speaker 3: you believe it you and a part of that is

1:30:07 Speaker 3: you read it three times a day. And the secret

1:30:09 Speaker 3: sauce too make it more powerful is you listen to

1:30:14 Speaker 3: epic music with it nothing with words in it, because

1:30:18 Speaker 3: you don't want people's you don't need other people's words

1:30:21 Speaker 3: in your head when you're doing this, So.

1:30:23 Speaker 1: Listen to like orchestra instrumental et bit, yep, that kind

1:30:29 Speaker 1: of stuff.

1:30:30 Speaker 3: Yeah, because you're building the energy. And how Tony Robbins

1:30:34 Speaker 3: says it is like put the illusion in your mind

1:30:35 Speaker 3: because or the hallucination in your mind. Right, and so,

1:30:40 Speaker 3: and then I put some other paragraphs in there of

1:30:42 Speaker 3: how I wanted some other things to happen. Anyways, twenty

1:30:47 Speaker 3: eighteen happens, and like I said that, that's where I

1:30:49 Speaker 3: had some of my first experiences. You know. Three months

1:30:53 Speaker 3: after that is when Robbie Williams comes out, they do

1:30:57 Speaker 3: rob Jeremy Corbell does that document video out there all

1:31:04 Speaker 3: that no one is talking about the television show. No, yeah,

1:31:10 Speaker 3: it at least in my understanding, it wasn't a conversation

1:31:16 Speaker 3: that was happening. But Thomas he was being he started

1:31:20 Speaker 3: getting approached by TJ Alred about this time frame.

1:31:28 Speaker 1: Uh.

1:31:28 Speaker 3: And TJ. Want is one one of the guys who

1:31:30 Speaker 3: kind of initially pitched this the idea for the television

1:31:33 Speaker 3: show with Joel Patterson right around it, and it was

1:31:38 Speaker 3: it's kind of before or around this time frame anyways.

1:31:42 Speaker 3: But I had no idea that was even the discussion

1:31:45 Speaker 3: or an idea, right, But I write that story and

1:31:50 Speaker 3: then night it was like late September October timeframe when

1:31:55 Speaker 3: we are out shooting the pilot for the television show

1:31:58 Speaker 3: and I'm sitting out there going.

1:32:01 Speaker 4: Wait a minute, how this happen?

1:32:05 Speaker 3: It's not Star Wars, but holy shit, Like it's you know,

1:32:10 Speaker 3: talk about aliens, it's weird energy, it's you know, it's weird.

1:32:15 Speaker 1: It's funny, right, It's like it's not exactly, but it's

1:32:18 Speaker 1: like it's there.

1:32:20 Speaker 2: It's the.

1:32:21 Speaker 1: Most cutting edge science, scientific endeavor that you know, cutting

1:32:28 Speaker 1: edge in the sense of like you're dealing with very

1:32:30 Speaker 1: very complex phenomena all stuff that's like you know that

1:32:35 Speaker 1: you're right, like all all young men and some women

1:32:40 Speaker 1: and young people are all influenced by things like Star Wars.

1:32:45 Speaker 2: So like the fact that you wrote that.

1:32:47 Speaker 1: But it's like the universe went to work for you

1:32:50 Speaker 1: in the sense that it was like, oh, no, I

1:32:53 Speaker 1: know what he really wants.

1:32:54 Speaker 3: Like it was really just again, it was the thing

1:32:58 Speaker 3: that was so out there, so crazy.

1:33:01 Speaker 1: But next thing, you know, Prometheus is filming the pilot

1:33:03 Speaker 1: for for for the Secret of Skinwalker Ranche.

1:33:07 Speaker 3: Yeah, and then that happens.

1:33:08 Speaker 1: I'm going, no way, this is that that I did

1:33:12 Speaker 1: not know that. I didn't know that that part. So

1:33:15 Speaker 1: that has to be kind of like life changing in

1:33:19 Speaker 1: a way.

1:33:20 Speaker 3: Oh very much. That's where that's really made me go, Okay,

1:33:23 Speaker 3: I believe this stuff works. And that's very much a

1:33:25 Speaker 3: part of this. I will say, this is very much

1:33:27 Speaker 3: a part of the discussion of like the observer effect,

1:33:30 Speaker 3: Like we know our minds effect the world around us.

1:33:34 Speaker 3: And I and I highlight that story because I learned

1:33:38 Speaker 3: these tools, I did them, and it happened, and it

1:33:42 Speaker 3: happened and it's continued to happen. If you don't think

1:33:46 Speaker 3: that I can't that I keep doing this stuff. And

1:33:50 Speaker 3: and to me, I'm going, you know, the ranch, for

1:33:53 Speaker 3: whatever reason, you know, responds to stuff. And I'll say

1:33:57 Speaker 3: one of the first warnings that we got in regards

1:33:59 Speaker 3: to the rand was to pay attention to people's emotions,

1:34:02 Speaker 3: especially anger.

1:34:04 Speaker 1: So if they were like angry coming on to the ranch,

1:34:07 Speaker 1: that or anger.

1:34:10 Speaker 3: Being or being on the ranch over a long period

1:34:12 Speaker 3: of time, and pay attention to those types of emotions.

1:34:16 Speaker 3: But then and and you know, so you know, I'll

1:34:21 Speaker 3: we always get asked about remote viewing and these other

1:34:25 Speaker 3: forms of I don't know, mind stuff remote viewing is real,

1:34:31 Speaker 3: like this right, it's real. We I've I've seen firsthand,

1:34:36 Speaker 3: We've done some experiments on the ranch ourselves. Like it's real.

1:34:42 Speaker 3: And part of that discussion too, is because of the

1:34:50 Speaker 3: focus and the attention of millions of people coming to

1:34:53 Speaker 3: the ranch. Now, how is that not going to affect

1:34:56 Speaker 3: certain things?

1:34:57 Speaker 2: Right? Well, oh, I see where are you're going at this?

1:34:59 Speaker 3: Right? And okay, and and there are connections there. But

1:35:04 Speaker 3: it is very much like I just told you that

1:35:06 Speaker 3: story outside of me saving the document that I have

1:35:13 Speaker 3: changed now over the course of you know, eight years

1:35:16 Speaker 3: now because you update your you can update your story. Yeah,

1:35:19 Speaker 3: that's a part of it. Wait about a year, you know,

1:35:23 Speaker 3: let it do its thing before you go in and

1:35:25 Speaker 3: do things. But it's it's that type of what's the

1:35:32 Speaker 3: word I'm looking for. It's a type of evidence that

1:35:34 Speaker 3: obviously I can't give you that hard you know, like

1:35:40 Speaker 3: like the dire wolf thing, Like, yeah, we have the

1:35:44 Speaker 3: remains of a creature that's supposed to be dead for

1:35:47 Speaker 3: ten thousand years. It's been identified structurally a one for

1:35:52 Speaker 3: one match by a biologist Ben Woodruff, who his job,

1:35:58 Speaker 3: one of his jobs is to put these KALs is

1:36:00 Speaker 3: together for a museum. He knows what he's looking at.

1:36:04 Speaker 1: That was actually probably one of the most like outside

1:36:07 Speaker 1: of like the UFO sidings and the stuff you've guys

1:36:09 Speaker 1: been captured on camera. I think that was probably one

1:36:12 Speaker 1: of the most insane discoveries that's happy in the shows.

1:36:18 Speaker 1: Actually even on the ranch. The ranch's history is this, uh,

1:36:22 Speaker 1: this large canine skeletal remain, and obviously that was.

1:36:27 Speaker 3: One of the first big stories that everybody thinks of.

1:36:29 Speaker 3: Is in the Georgia natbook is and that's how they

1:36:33 Speaker 3: open it up is apparently the rancher runs into one

1:36:35 Speaker 3: of these shoots it and it runs off into the

1:36:37 Speaker 3: woods and disappears, which you know, side note, we brought

1:36:41 Speaker 3: the nephew that was there, one of the nephews that

1:36:43 Speaker 3: was there. He said, yeah, we shot it, we killed that.

1:36:44 Speaker 3: We buried it over there.

1:36:47 Speaker 2: So it didn't run off.

1:36:48 Speaker 4: No, no.

1:36:52 Speaker 3: Count. We couldn't go to the point where he or

1:36:55 Speaker 3: to the area that he said they buried it because

1:36:57 Speaker 3: it was not on their property. Uh, but he was.

1:37:01 Speaker 3: He's you know, it's just interesting when you talk to

1:37:04 Speaker 3: that individual who at that time is eleven ten years

1:37:07 Speaker 3: old and he goes, yeah, I remember that we shot it,

1:37:09 Speaker 3: killed it. It was we buried it over there. That

1:37:13 Speaker 3: but that goes down a whole nother line of ideas

1:37:16 Speaker 3: and questions. But yes, I could tell you for years

1:37:21 Speaker 3: whenever like the dire wolf subject comes up, it was

1:37:25 Speaker 3: the scoff and irol from all of.

1:37:27 Speaker 1: Us, and I mean, look at where we are now, dude,

1:37:31 Speaker 1: They just they just they just reintroduced a dire wolf

1:37:36 Speaker 1: like that. And again you just you go, like look

1:37:39 Speaker 1: at Skinwalker Ranche and then the parallels to like the

1:37:42 Speaker 1: cutting edge. It just it's like to keep connecting somehow,

1:37:46 Speaker 1: like directing energy weapons. Now directed energy weapons have been

1:37:49 Speaker 1: confirmed by the government. Dire wolf gets found, then they

1:37:53 Speaker 1: literally resurrect a fucking species there. It's the Skinwalker Ranges

1:38:00 Speaker 1: seems to be at the hub, and you guys now

1:38:01 Speaker 1: have gone beyond skin Rocker Ranch and arguably, I mean,

1:38:07 Speaker 1: I'm not going to say that it's better than the

1:38:10 Speaker 1: main ChIL.

1:38:11 Speaker 2: I don't think that. I think they compliment each other

1:38:13 Speaker 2: so well. You guys have just.

1:38:17 Speaker 1: So honing in on some things here. This one point

1:38:21 Speaker 1: six Gigahart signal seems to be something that's being found

1:38:24 Speaker 1: at all of these various hot spots.

1:38:29 Speaker 3: You know, one of the things that I've I read

1:38:32 Speaker 3: or had seen in the last year or two was

1:38:34 Speaker 3: back in the sixties, that was one of the signals that,

1:38:38 Speaker 3: for whatever reason, they kept seeing at that timeframe, and

1:38:44 Speaker 3: it led to noticing that there were these interactions with whatever,

1:38:48 Speaker 3: you know what everyone called orbs UFOs, UAPs whatever allegedly,

1:38:53 Speaker 3: and that's why they put the whole GPS system there

1:38:56 Speaker 3: is to mask it is one of those one of

1:39:00 Speaker 3: the things that I read or saw, and this was

1:39:03 Speaker 3: coming from an individual that supposedly worked in that world

1:39:08 Speaker 3: at that time. Right, So, and and this is, you know,

1:39:14 Speaker 3: this is the interesting thing. And if you my understanding

1:39:16 Speaker 3: you just watched season six, is the drill site that

1:39:24 Speaker 3: at this specific place that we're drilling right now, there

1:39:30 Speaker 3: are missing photographical records from nineteen sixty four to nineteen

1:39:35 Speaker 3: sixty nine. What do you mean so in the public

1:39:42 Speaker 3: record there there are no photographs between nineteen sixty four

1:39:45 Speaker 3: and nineteen sixty nine, specifically of the ranch and showing

1:39:49 Speaker 3: the specific area where the drill site is. Oh, so

1:39:55 Speaker 3: this might be a part that you haven't I know,

1:39:57 Speaker 3: you said you were coming up on. I can't remember

1:40:00 Speaker 3: where they show this in season six, but Travis did

1:40:05 Speaker 3: a kind of a deep dive and an analysis of

1:40:09 Speaker 3: the drill site from aerial photography, and the AI said

1:40:12 Speaker 3: that the one from nineteen sixty four is fine, but

1:40:16 Speaker 3: the one from nineteen sixty nine is heavily doctored according

1:40:20 Speaker 3: to AI. And so now, and you know, you just

1:40:25 Speaker 3: saw us pull out the ceramic like material in season six.

1:40:29 Speaker 3: And obviously I won't go into what is going to

1:40:31 Speaker 3: be shown in seasons Heaven, but like we very much

1:40:35 Speaker 3: follow up on a bunch.

1:40:36 Speaker 2: And say, is it safe to say you're following up

1:40:38 Speaker 2: on a lot of this? Oh? Yeah, because that's what

1:40:41 Speaker 2: I've seen the show do. Is right.

1:40:43 Speaker 1: It started off with broad strokes, but you guys slowly

1:40:46 Speaker 1: honed in and now you're I would say, the focus

1:40:50 Speaker 1: is that the Mesa spots, that that spot on the Mason,

1:40:53 Speaker 1: the bridge line.

1:40:54 Speaker 2: The triangle, and the.

1:41:00 Speaker 1: I mean, I want to say the homesteads just obviously,

1:41:04 Speaker 1: but I think less so the homesteads lately. Yeah.

1:41:09 Speaker 3: Well, and so that's where like I I won't I

1:41:11 Speaker 3: won't go into where we focus on certain parts, but

1:41:15 Speaker 3: I love the point that you're bringing up, because yes,

1:41:17 Speaker 3: you go and watch this, you literally see the evolution

1:41:22 Speaker 3: of the investigation with better equipment, better third party experts

1:41:26 Speaker 3: that like you said, we're and we're following the data

1:41:29 Speaker 3: is what it comes down to. That's that's why again,

1:41:32 Speaker 3: like I brought up the remote viewing thing, like, yes,

1:41:36 Speaker 3: we did film an entire thing on the remote viewing

1:41:38 Speaker 3: thing very early on, but there was no way of

1:41:42 Speaker 3: really getting it and showing it according to the film side,

1:41:47 Speaker 3: that it would make sense to people, right, right, But

1:41:51 Speaker 3: so it never came out. But we always get asked

1:41:54 Speaker 3: that have you remote view stuff? Yes, we have, and

1:41:56 Speaker 3: we've gotten mixed results. And that's a part of the

1:41:59 Speaker 3: issue is we have we've been able to confirm some

1:42:02 Speaker 3: of that stuff based on the more recent years, which

1:42:06 Speaker 3: is very interesting because we're going, okay, did they remote

1:42:10 Speaker 3: view the future or did you know or did we

1:42:14 Speaker 3: affect that somehow?

1:42:16 Speaker 5: Right?

1:42:16 Speaker 2: That is a dicey line, that's a's.

1:42:19 Speaker 3: And that's the issue is like where we don't want

1:42:22 Speaker 3: to again.

1:42:24 Speaker 1: You can't stop people from doing it though, And that's

1:42:26 Speaker 1: the one.

1:42:27 Speaker 2: That's another thing too, right.

1:42:29 Speaker 3: Like we can't and and that's the thing too, is

1:42:31 Speaker 3: though it is like we're trying to maintain the integrity

1:42:35 Speaker 3: of the the investigation and and in regards to the data. Again,

1:42:42 Speaker 3: oh yes, that's outside.

1:42:43 Speaker 2: Of Green Street. All these clowns.

1:42:49 Speaker 1: Not Mick is not a clown. In my opinion, Green

1:42:52 Speaker 1: Street is a clown. I'll say it. You don't have

1:42:54 Speaker 1: to trust me. Where's Mick I do it feel as

1:42:59 Speaker 1: a on you? And like, but I think he's a

1:43:04 Speaker 1: biased investigator. I think he's starting from it's not happening

1:43:10 Speaker 1: and working his way towards that conclusion, whether he knows

1:43:14 Speaker 1: it or not. But these guys are always like challenging

1:43:18 Speaker 1: Brandon and say, to release the data.

1:43:21 Speaker 2: What does that mean? Like what data? People don't understand

1:43:26 Speaker 2: what that means?

1:43:28 Speaker 3: Okay, so I think it covers a lot of things, right, So,

1:43:31 Speaker 3: and this is I kind of hit on this kind

1:43:33 Speaker 3: of this this topic a little bit. Is people pick

1:43:36 Speaker 3: and choose. And that's what I see a Green Street

1:43:40 Speaker 3: and Mickwest is they go after like this low hanging

1:43:44 Speaker 3: fruit to attack and then they immediately go, oh, yeah,

1:43:48 Speaker 3: well I know I'm I'm right, which I can tell you.

1:43:52 Speaker 3: I know that Mick West is being paid by certain

1:43:54 Speaker 3: individuals about things and I can't wait for that stuff

1:43:59 Speaker 3: to come out. And that's all I'm going to say

1:44:01 Speaker 3: in regards.

1:44:02 Speaker 2: He won't tell me, like I've asked him straight up.

1:44:04 Speaker 1: Is he being because we like, are you being paid

1:44:07 Speaker 1: by some sort of Well?

1:44:09 Speaker 3: And then that's well, And that's the thing is his

1:44:11 Speaker 3: whole shtick is disproving everything. I can tell you that

1:44:16 Speaker 3: Travis reached out to him years ago before he ever

1:44:19 Speaker 3: came to the ranch and said, hey, let's work on

1:44:22 Speaker 3: something together and present it together, whether it's and just

1:44:27 Speaker 3: follow the data and follow the what we find and

1:44:30 Speaker 3: release it. And he would not do it.

1:44:31 Speaker 1: He says he won't even go near Skinwalker Ranch. He

1:44:34 Speaker 1: said he would never go on to it. And like, Okay,

1:44:38 Speaker 1: I get being skeptical, but then why are you actually

1:44:41 Speaker 1: like afraid to go onto the ranch?

1:44:45 Speaker 3: Well, and then that's the thing is, like I just

1:44:46 Speaker 3: saw the comment about green Street. I was out there

1:44:48 Speaker 3: with him that night, and there's parts of it I

1:44:52 Speaker 3: won't go into just because I don't think it. Anyways,

1:45:00 Speaker 3: he comes out and has his attitude, right, and Brandon

1:45:04 Speaker 3: was trying to one percent.

1:45:06 Speaker 2: Be open, which I thought was pretty noble.

1:45:10 Speaker 3: Right, and most of us were like no, why we

1:45:15 Speaker 3: we were all most of us going now. We all

1:45:18 Speaker 3: thought it was a bad idea, and he was the

1:45:22 Speaker 3: one who was like kind of mocking a bunch of stuff,

1:45:26 Speaker 3: and we just sat down and like, look, this is

1:45:28 Speaker 3: what we've had happen, and we showed him what we

1:45:32 Speaker 3: had at that time, and yeah, I've I'm not surprised

1:45:37 Speaker 3: at how he presented stuff.

1:45:39 Speaker 1: The thing is too is the first because he he

1:45:44 Speaker 1: wants to label everything a grift. And then and then

1:45:47 Speaker 1: he he takes one night at Skinwalker Ranch and turns

1:45:51 Speaker 1: it into a fucking.

1:45:52 Speaker 2: Five hour and five part series.

1:45:56 Speaker 1: The first four parts, honestly, I was like, okay, hey,

1:46:00 Speaker 1: this is actually pretty good.

1:46:02 Speaker 2: And then in part five he just flips the script and.

1:46:07 Speaker 1: Just just stabs every single one of you guys in

1:46:11 Speaker 1: the back, one by one by one by one by one,

1:46:14 Speaker 1: and I was like, oh wow.

1:46:16 Speaker 3: Yeah, And it was one of those things the speculation

1:46:18 Speaker 3: of others is a reflection of yourself.

1:46:22 Speaker 2: It was.

1:46:22 Speaker 1: It was very upsetting to see because I go, you know,

1:46:25 Speaker 1: I'd almost changed my mind on Stephen it and I

1:46:28 Speaker 1: was like, damn, he did actually go in open and

1:46:32 Speaker 1: he's like experiencing some stuff. And then that last part

1:46:35 Speaker 1: came out and it was literally, it was one of

1:46:40 Speaker 1: the more it was one of the more like most

1:46:45 Speaker 1: of the most obnoxious things I've ever seen in terms

1:46:50 Speaker 1: of like how how to present a story, how to

1:46:53 Speaker 1: present a narrative. And I think that really hurt other

1:46:58 Speaker 1: journalists and other people who want to do similar style

1:47:03 Speaker 1: content working collaboratively with the Skinwalker team. And maybe you

1:47:07 Speaker 1: guys are now a little sour to that idea.

1:47:10 Speaker 3: No, I wouldn't say no, there's been right, yeah, but yeah,

1:47:17 Speaker 3: you're It's one of those things. At the end of

1:47:19 Speaker 3: the day, I'm not here to say you absolutely have

1:47:22 Speaker 3: to believe what I have to believe in this. You know,

1:47:24 Speaker 3: I've been out here now for eight years. I've interacted

1:47:29 Speaker 3: with things that on the ranch and off the ranch

1:47:32 Speaker 3: at my home. I've had things happen, I've I've you know,

1:47:35 Speaker 3: other law enforcement, just other normal everyday people. And so

1:47:40 Speaker 3: it's just one of those things where I'm like, again,

1:47:42 Speaker 3: like one, I don't need your permission to believe in something.

1:47:47 Speaker 2: You know, you don't need the government's oversight.

1:47:51 Speaker 3: And again, that's why we're trying to present the information

1:47:55 Speaker 3: the way we are. And yes, I'm willing to talk

1:47:58 Speaker 3: about more of these experiences is that are more crazy

1:48:01 Speaker 3: if you will, uh you know, for instance, like what

1:48:05 Speaker 3: happened with Jake Huffman is like that none of that

1:48:07 Speaker 3: was recorded with our what happened with our phones. But

1:48:11 Speaker 3: I would say, go look at I believe it's season

1:48:13 Speaker 3: four when Travis sny are sitting out in the eastfield

1:48:16 Speaker 3: and we start recording this strange signal coming across and

1:48:20 Speaker 3: it sounds very similar to what I've heard on through

1:48:23 Speaker 3: my phone. That weird mechanical, like we all. We also

1:48:27 Speaker 3: kind of compared it to signs when they're holding up

1:48:33 Speaker 3: the little baby monitor and it's the clicking between the aliens.

1:48:38 Speaker 3: I would say, what I heard on the other line

1:48:40 Speaker 3: of the phone was much more electronic and just nuts

1:48:44 Speaker 3: like weird.

1:48:45 Speaker 2: Yeah, so there.

1:48:48 Speaker 1: My producer sent me something about this this uh one

1:48:52 Speaker 1: point six gigaherts number, and so he there there's I

1:48:59 Speaker 1: can't go into all of it because it would take

1:49:01 Speaker 1: so much time. But you guys have also I just

1:49:05 Speaker 1: want to hear you say this, and I'm not front

1:49:08 Speaker 1: loading you at all. Right, the the above the triangle

1:49:14 Speaker 1: mm hm, and you guys have found that there's this

1:49:19 Speaker 1: invisible what would you call.

1:49:21 Speaker 3: It, structure of some kind some kind of mathematical structure,

1:49:30 Speaker 3: some kind of field, some kind of force for sure, Right, so.

1:49:37 Speaker 1: What do you so we have some reverse engineering. There's

1:49:41 Speaker 1: this reverse and Russian or Soviet a reverse reverse engineering

1:49:46 Speaker 1: documents that a lot of people believe to be like

1:49:51 Speaker 1: actual genuine like like mathematically sound. And he lugged a

1:50:00 Speaker 1: lot of this this this one point six gig arts uh,

1:50:03 Speaker 1: and he said that that would be the I mean,

1:50:06 Speaker 1: there's it's a byproduct of whatever is driving its charge

1:50:10 Speaker 1: column at that resonance, which is operationally optimal.

1:50:16 Speaker 2: I can't go into it.

1:50:17 Speaker 1: All, but it's it's very much in line with what

1:50:20 Speaker 1: you guys are seeing.

1:50:21 Speaker 3: I would say, this is very much a stay tuned.

1:50:27 Speaker 2: There's something there, there's something I think that.

1:50:30 Speaker 3: Yeah, so you're you're in reference to what is being

1:50:34 Speaker 3: called like the bubble or the apple Core was introduced

1:50:39 Speaker 3: because of this, you know what we're seeing specifically in

1:50:42 Speaker 3: the triangle spot and yeah, we're we are getting more data.

1:50:48 Speaker 3: So you know, a question about you know, for an example,

1:50:51 Speaker 3: the data is these light our scans and these slam

1:50:55 Speaker 3: scans from Pete Kelsey's equipment, and you see, I believe

1:51:00 Speaker 3: at season six where Pete brought out three separate pieces

1:51:04 Speaker 3: of equipment. One was like the brand new model from

1:51:08 Speaker 3: this this company, and his I would say, maybe a colleague,

1:51:12 Speaker 3: but one of the top people from that company came

1:51:14 Speaker 3: out with him and she and he and I ran

1:51:20 Speaker 3: those pieces of equipment in the triangle and on other locations,

1:51:25 Speaker 3: and all three of those pieces of equipment showed the

1:51:28 Speaker 3: same thing. So either it's there or all three of

1:51:34 Speaker 3: those equipments were hacked and where strange stuff happened at

1:51:38 Speaker 3: the exact same time in all three but still stuff

1:51:41 Speaker 3: happened or and phenomena happened with with that equipment. The TLS,

1:51:46 Speaker 3: the terrestrial laser scanners that made this person from the

1:51:51 Speaker 3: company that Pete deals with weekly go, I don't. I

1:51:55 Speaker 3: can't explain this. And that's just one example from the

1:52:01 Speaker 3: you know, the the GPS data that we've collected, all

1:52:05 Speaker 3: the camera recordings, We've literally terabytes, uh massive drives filled

1:52:12 Speaker 3: with video recordings.

1:52:16 Speaker 1: I want to I want to wrap up because we're

1:52:20 Speaker 1: punching up on time here, but I wanted to bring

1:52:23 Speaker 1: in Gene real quick because there's something that I want

1:52:27 Speaker 1: to read or have you hear.

1:52:31 Speaker 2: Real quick.

1:52:32 Speaker 1: We'll get add m I'll add him in and maybe

1:52:35 Speaker 1: I'm gonna mute your your thing so that we don't

1:52:38 Speaker 1: hear that.

1:52:38 Speaker 6: Let go, you hear me.

1:52:41 Speaker 2: He should be able to we should all be able

1:52:42 Speaker 2: to hear you.

1:52:43 Speaker 6: At this point, you can hear me that. So here's

1:52:46 Speaker 6: the So, Yeah, essentially, it was just running that one

1:52:49 Speaker 6: point six gigahertz against the reverse engineering to get an

1:52:53 Speaker 6: idea if there was anything that would lead to that

1:52:59 Speaker 6: frequency particularly or have any association with it. And what

1:53:05 Speaker 6: it referred to was within the craft that's being reversed engineered,

1:53:09 Speaker 6: there's a solenoid system. And so it said, when you

1:53:12 Speaker 6: treat the ionized charge column that the solenoid array generates

1:53:17 Speaker 6: as a cylindrical resonant cavity, and solve for the natural

1:53:22 Speaker 6: resonant frequency using first be cell function zero. The geometry

1:53:29 Speaker 6: design yields an effective column radius of roughly seven centimeters,

1:53:36 Speaker 6: which corresponds to a resonant frequency of approximately one point

1:53:41 Speaker 6: six gigahertz. So anything like that sound familiar.

1:53:46 Speaker 3: So it's making me think about the Kraken radar or

1:53:52 Speaker 3: the Kraken antenna, I should say, not radar that Eric

1:53:57 Speaker 3: has made multiples of tocifically, try and track the direction

1:54:03 Speaker 3: of where the one point six is coming from right,

1:54:07 Speaker 3: and he's used that multiple times. Ago off ranch and

1:54:10 Speaker 3: start tracking the signal, and it starts coming from different areas,

1:54:13 Speaker 3: but it always leads them back to the ranch.

1:54:15 Speaker 4: Mm hmm. And then.

1:54:20 Speaker 3: But so I hope that's just what it's making me

1:54:24 Speaker 3: think of. And I've also been in a hell in

1:54:26 Speaker 3: the helicopter during an experiment where we're trying to track

1:54:29 Speaker 3: these signals and the moment we get over where it

1:54:32 Speaker 3: says it's coming from, it jumps immediately to another location

1:54:37 Speaker 3: and we have to go back. Yeah, I know exactly why.

1:54:42 Speaker 1: So I was gonna say, what would this be a

1:54:44 Speaker 1: masking attempt? Like, uh uh, it's something in the ground.

1:54:51 Speaker 1: Maybe I can't even is it.

1:54:54 Speaker 3: Like a reflection off of uh?

1:54:58 Speaker 6: I mean it's the pole, it's the structure, vacuum that

1:55:01 Speaker 6: it's operating with it.

1:55:04 Speaker 2: So this is a way above my pay grade.

1:55:06 Speaker 1: But I was just telling you could that could the

1:55:10 Speaker 1: could this thing in the Mesa be creating some sort

1:55:16 Speaker 1: of field, because whether it's active or not, like whether

1:55:20 Speaker 1: the craft or whatever the thing is inside the mesa,

1:55:23 Speaker 1: whatever that thing is, if it's a craft, I don't.

1:55:26 Speaker 2: I mean, who knows whatever that thing.

1:55:28 Speaker 1: Is, could it be, could this signal be a byproduct

1:55:32 Speaker 1: of it?

1:55:33 Speaker 6: What it would be with what it would be would

1:55:35 Speaker 6: be an interaction with it. So and according to the

1:55:40 Speaker 6: research side to based off of this, there's places on

1:55:43 Speaker 6: the Earth, including like the skin Markle location, that are

1:55:48 Speaker 6: just the natural optimal locations based on geology and its

1:55:53 Speaker 6: relationship to gravitational and magnetic fields and the craft's ability

1:56:00 Speaker 6: to you know, develop this bubble. Some locations, again based

1:56:05 Speaker 6: on geology or through geo engineering, can be used as amplifiers.

1:56:12 Speaker 3: M yeah, so we we you know, we talk about

1:56:15 Speaker 3: when you look at the Una basin, it's a bowl

1:56:18 Speaker 3: and just so happens, is literally a bowl. Yeah, and

1:56:21 Speaker 3: Skinwalk Ranch is literally sitting in center of it. And

1:56:25 Speaker 3: I have a really cool video from when I was

1:56:27 Speaker 3: up in the helicopter one night, beautiful, gorgeous, just clear

1:56:31 Speaker 3: as clear, and I and as a helicopter sweeping around,

1:56:35 Speaker 3: I record the video where you can literally see the mountains.

1:56:39 Speaker 2: Can you send that to me?

1:56:41 Speaker 3: Yeah, I won't.

1:56:42 Speaker 2: Air that one. I won't air that one, but I can.

1:56:45 Speaker 3: It's fine. That was years ago.

1:56:48 Speaker 6: But depending on these corridors so something like Skinwalker Ranch

1:56:53 Speaker 6: could have actually been engineered as a gap fill between

1:56:59 Speaker 6: natural cores, or there was something done there specifically to

1:57:05 Speaker 6: amplify it to make up for weaker areas that's surround it.

1:57:12 Speaker 2: Well, could the bowl have been could it?

1:57:15 Speaker 1: Could it be that like an astronaut or or like uh,

1:57:21 Speaker 1: a piece of you know, debris hit hits the earth

1:57:24 Speaker 1: and causes that bowl.

1:57:26 Speaker 3: Maybe you know that's where it's we I know, many

1:57:30 Speaker 3: of these conversations sound familiar from the last couple of years,

1:57:35 Speaker 3: you know, because like the bowl effect, and maybe why

1:57:37 Speaker 3: we're seeing these signals is when you go back and look.

1:57:40 Speaker 3: Travis and Eric did some comparisons and and Travis went

1:57:45 Speaker 3: back to the Bible, and so you know, talks about

1:57:47 Speaker 3: when you go and look at certain areas where in

1:57:54 Speaker 3: the Bible they talk about interacting with things, and you

1:57:57 Speaker 3: look at the topography in those areas, their.

1:57:59 Speaker 2: Bowl too interest.

1:58:03 Speaker 3: And he went through and did this whole presentation in

1:58:07 Speaker 3: regards to that, making those connections. And I also brought

1:58:10 Speaker 3: up the fact like, Okay, well, if you're going to

1:58:12 Speaker 3: be bringing up that too, you got to look at

1:58:14 Speaker 3: these individuals that they're talking about too, because again you

1:58:17 Speaker 3: have to look at everything, the totality of the circumstances,

1:58:22 Speaker 3: and all of these people were searching for a higher being,

1:58:25 Speaker 3: if you will. They were all living by a moral

1:58:30 Speaker 3: or higher code in my opinion, that we're all asked

1:58:34 Speaker 3: to live by. So I asked the team, are we

1:58:37 Speaker 3: the type of individuals that if something's going on out here?

1:58:40 Speaker 3: Are we the type of individuals it wants to interact with?

1:58:42 Speaker 2: Ah?

1:58:45 Speaker 3: Are we doing the things that you know? This kind

1:58:48 Speaker 3: of leaves me a good example is this. Everyone's like, oh,

1:58:50 Speaker 3: if aliens want to come talk to us, who are

1:58:52 Speaker 3: who should we go? And who should be the ones

1:58:55 Speaker 3: that they come talk to? And I'm like, no, I

1:58:57 Speaker 3: don't trust a single day person any government to represent

1:59:02 Speaker 3: me to the Yeah, yeah, right, I'm gonna agree with

1:59:08 Speaker 3: you there. I'm like, if it wants to come talk

1:59:11 Speaker 3: to me, it can come talk to me, right, and

1:59:13 Speaker 3: have to have that understanding of I'll respect you, you

1:59:16 Speaker 3: respect me kind of.

1:59:17 Speaker 1: Thing if it is talking to you guys, And that's

1:59:21 Speaker 1: very well could be, but.

1:59:24 Speaker 2: I hate to bring it back up. I living help.

1:59:28 Speaker 3: But that's the thing is I in my mind, this

1:59:34 Speaker 3: is maybe going into one of these other topics and

1:59:38 Speaker 3: I know we're coming up of time. But Ben woodruff

1:59:41 Speaker 3: our biologists. I don't want to go too deep into

1:59:45 Speaker 3: his stories, but I will tell you he almost He

1:59:51 Speaker 3: died from a massive heart attack about a year and

1:59:54 Speaker 3: a half ago. He died on the table eight times

1:59:57 Speaker 3: in the hospital, and and he has some very very

2:00:02 Speaker 3: powerful experiences from that.

2:00:06 Speaker 2: Really.

2:00:07 Speaker 3: And so when you go into the topic of like

2:00:09 Speaker 3: near death or you know, like say there's a book

2:00:11 Speaker 3: called like Return from Tomorrow, these different books that very

2:00:14 Speaker 3: much go into these types of things, the stuff that

2:00:17 Speaker 3: he talks about only adds to my faith.

2:00:21 Speaker 1: If you will, right, And that's that's what I wanted

2:00:24 Speaker 1: to round off with, is like all the experiences that

2:00:28 Speaker 1: you've had on the ranch, off the ranch that with

2:00:32 Speaker 1: I mean, I think we can both agree that that

2:00:35 Speaker 1: you're the hitchhiker effect is something that we will get

2:00:38 Speaker 1: to next episode with you, but we can safely assume

2:00:43 Speaker 1: that you you think it's a thing.

2:00:47 Speaker 4: So everything there's definitely.

2:00:48 Speaker 3: Some kind of intelligence behind it in my.

2:00:50 Speaker 1: Opinion, right, right, So without all of that, how has

2:00:55 Speaker 1: that changed you as a man from seven years ago?

2:00:58 Speaker 2: Eight years ago? And now, like you know, how is it?

2:01:03 Speaker 2: How is it changed?

2:01:04 Speaker 1: You can walk a ranch specifically in your and your faith.

2:01:09 Speaker 3: I would say it's only deep into it because one

2:01:12 Speaker 3: of the things I was going to hit on is

2:01:14 Speaker 3: he talks about interacting with some things that cover multiple

2:01:19 Speaker 3: if you will, phenomena, and I've I think I've told

2:01:22 Speaker 3: you this before in one of our previous conversations. Is

2:01:25 Speaker 3: I've had experiences again on and off the ranch where

2:01:28 Speaker 3: I can play some of them in more of a

2:01:30 Speaker 3: spiritual interaction.

2:01:33 Speaker 2: Like through that lens. Yeah, of course, right.

2:01:35 Speaker 3: Right, And then there's other ones that definitely one hundred

2:01:38 Speaker 3: percent in my mind are more technological, like some kind

2:01:41 Speaker 3: of technology some whether that's human or not, I don't know.

2:01:46 Speaker 3: But then say, other other dimensions, right, I can see

2:01:53 Speaker 3: in my mind, I if I think about it and

2:01:55 Speaker 3: am able to explain it well enough, it all is connected, right,

2:02:02 Speaker 3: I think. And there's and we know that there's other

2:02:04 Speaker 3: beings in in the both the Bible, in the book Morman,

2:02:08 Speaker 3: it talks about other beings. It talks about angels, talks

2:02:10 Speaker 3: about demons, and talks about all this stuff.

2:02:12 Speaker 1: Right, are by definition non human intelligence, yes, But so.

2:02:18 Speaker 3: I can see different realms if you will, like I

2:02:22 Speaker 3: can see little green aliens living in a whole different

2:02:24 Speaker 3: dimension as well as angels are demons leaving in other dimensions. Right, Like,

2:02:30 Speaker 3: it doesn't it doesn't shatter my way of thinking about

2:02:34 Speaker 3: you know, it doesn't have to be just one thing.

2:02:37 Speaker 2: Yeah, but does it worry you that?

2:02:39 Speaker 1: Like because right now, you know Trump, with Trump saying like, oh,

2:02:43 Speaker 1: we're going to classify all the all the UFO files.

2:02:46 Speaker 1: You know, there's been this like really big optic in

2:02:50 Speaker 1: people that think that, uh, what.

2:02:54 Speaker 2: We're dealing with here is demonic.

2:02:57 Speaker 1: I think that is a very very dangerous thing to do,

2:03:01 Speaker 1: is to conflate the two.

2:03:03 Speaker 3: Well, and that's, I guess be the.

2:03:05 Speaker 1: Same thing, Like could it be the same thing that

2:03:07 Speaker 1: through through that we've seen through different lenses, Like our

2:03:10 Speaker 1: ancestors called them angels and demons, and we call them aliens.

2:03:15 Speaker 2: Like could that be a thing? Absolutely?

2:03:17 Speaker 1: But I think to conflate the two just off the

2:03:21 Speaker 1: bat and say no, no, no, those are demons. We

2:03:25 Speaker 1: can't we can't interact with them, yeah at all. We

2:03:29 Speaker 1: can't even tell anyone that they exist, because if we do,

2:03:31 Speaker 1: it's so paradigm shifting that like that that's where I

2:03:35 Speaker 1: get into holy shit, Like we got to separate church

2:03:38 Speaker 1: and state to some degree.

2:03:40 Speaker 3: Well, and yes, I you know, yes and no, right,

2:03:44 Speaker 3: because I think it's very much part of the discussion

2:03:47 Speaker 3: of how open are we, because I would say, like,

2:03:52 Speaker 3: unless I had that type of experience showing out these

2:03:54 Speaker 3: are one demons, right, like, very well could happen. I'm

2:03:57 Speaker 3: not saying they couldn't, but yeah, in a way, I'm

2:03:59 Speaker 3: still skeptical of that. But I understand where you're coming from.

2:04:04 Speaker 3: But at the same time, it's like you say, like

2:04:06 Speaker 3: this you bring up like the church and state thing. Yeah,

2:04:10 Speaker 3: I absolutely like in that principle there was a separation, yes,

2:04:15 Speaker 3: but there was nothing in those men that wrote that

2:04:18 Speaker 3: saying I can't bring in my politically my religious views

2:04:21 Speaker 3: and to my political views right, very much shapes how

2:04:27 Speaker 3: I'm looking at things, right, and it is very much

2:04:32 Speaker 3: the separation the church and state thing is very much

2:04:34 Speaker 3: we can't have this organization dictating what this organization does

2:04:39 Speaker 3: and vice versa. Right, there has to be discourse, I agree, right,

2:04:45 Speaker 3: And so yeah, I get what you're saying, like it

2:04:47 Speaker 3: is very dangerous to eliminate other options out of hand, right,

2:04:53 Speaker 3: like just because that's what you want it to be.

2:04:55 Speaker 4: Kind of thing.

2:04:56 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think I mean, like, even if we

2:04:58 Speaker 1: came to the conclusion that, oh, yes, this is what

2:05:00 Speaker 1: our ancestors would would have labeled a demon. Again, I

2:05:06 Speaker 1: think we need to be very careful in the future

2:05:09 Speaker 1: going forward. I think we if we do want to

2:05:11 Speaker 1: come at this even if it is a religious thing, right,

2:05:15 Speaker 1: even if it's a religious idea, if we're looking at

2:05:17 Speaker 1: it through a scientific framework, we need to change demon

2:05:20 Speaker 1: to non human intelligence because.

2:05:24 Speaker 2: Changes that well.

2:05:25 Speaker 3: And like I like I told you, science is its

2:05:27 Speaker 3: own religion. Yeah, Any any belief system that you have

2:05:34 Speaker 3: that you put all your stock into, that's your religion.

2:05:37 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know.

2:05:39 Speaker 3: Yeah, And so I'm like, yeah, I have I agree

2:05:43 Speaker 3: with you. I I get what you're getting at there, Tyler,

2:05:45 Speaker 3: Like we need you have to be able to have

2:05:47 Speaker 3: in on this conversation and just be a truth finder

2:05:49 Speaker 3: kind of thing.

2:05:50 Speaker 1: Right, Yes, And even if the truth does bring us

2:05:53 Speaker 1: to a point where it's like this is not what

2:05:56 Speaker 1: we originally thought, I'm okay with that. I don't think

2:06:00 Speaker 1: there are a lot of people that aren't okay with that.

2:06:02 Speaker 1: So when you tell them it's not you know, a

2:06:06 Speaker 1: little gray being that comes from Zata reticular, I think

2:06:09 Speaker 1: they get really upset. I think I think they because

2:06:14 Speaker 1: again I think even yourphology to some degree, for some

2:06:17 Speaker 1: people is a religion very much so.

2:06:19 Speaker 3: Any so, it's people get more upset when you insult

2:06:27 Speaker 3: their non belief system, yes, like their actual belief system.

2:06:32 Speaker 4: Right.

2:06:32 Speaker 3: So if they absolutely one hundred percent believe do not

2:06:35 Speaker 3: believe in something, they will get more offended and more

2:06:38 Speaker 3: apt to react in a egotistical and angry way than

2:06:43 Speaker 3: if you're attacking like their actual belief system.

2:06:45 Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, which is which is really backwards to me.

2:06:49 Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's like the same it's like the same

2:06:52 Speaker 3: side of you know, the different side of the same

2:06:54 Speaker 3: coin kind of thing.

2:06:55 Speaker 4: Absolutely in my mind.

2:06:57 Speaker 3: But and I love how Eric also says this he's

2:07:00 Speaker 3: been saying for years, is how can we reboot the

2:07:03 Speaker 3: narrative and elevate the discourse. That's good, I like, right,

2:07:11 Speaker 3: and and that's so again, yeah, like that we have Again,

2:07:15 Speaker 3: I see things through the lenses based on my experiences,

2:07:18 Speaker 3: just like everybody else. And that's like an example is

2:07:22 Speaker 3: I've had stuff happen as a law enforcement officer during

2:07:24 Speaker 3: this time that we're very much faith building, even though

2:07:29 Speaker 3: they came from very tragic cases.

2:07:33 Speaker 2: Yeah, right, right right.

2:07:35 Speaker 3: And I would you know, people say all demonic force.

2:07:39 Speaker 3: I'm like, I can show you some human beings that

2:07:41 Speaker 3: are absolutely one hundre percent in my opinion, demons, it's

2:07:45 Speaker 3: pure evil. All right.

2:07:47 Speaker 2: I will agree with you there because.

2:07:49 Speaker 3: That's my definition of like, like, if you don't think

2:07:53 Speaker 3: evil exists, like again, just take a look at that

2:07:56 Speaker 3: scene stuff. I am absolutely right, and I'm one where

2:08:03 Speaker 3: I'm like, there's we have plenty of millstones and rope

2:08:05 Speaker 3: and ocean tides and we can take care of that issue.

2:08:08 Speaker 2: Yeah exactly, but we.

2:08:10 Speaker 3: But that comes up to us as individuals being able

2:08:13 Speaker 3: to have that discussion and go, okay, let's take care

2:08:16 Speaker 3: of business.

2:08:16 Speaker 2: Yea.

2:08:19 Speaker 1: So Gail, we're gonna have to we're gonna have to

2:08:21 Speaker 1: bring in We're gonna be doing this, uh, you know,

2:08:24 Speaker 1: kind of full on assault of trying to get guests

2:08:27 Speaker 1: in the studio in the future. So I'd love for

2:08:30 Speaker 1: you to be one of them. Where can people other

2:08:33 Speaker 1: than other than on the History Channel and on the

2:08:38 Speaker 1: actual TV show, where can people interact with you and

2:08:41 Speaker 1: see what's going on with everything on Skinwalker Ranch. You

2:08:44 Speaker 1: guys have done something great by the way opening up

2:08:46 Speaker 1: the ranch to anybody.

2:08:48 Speaker 3: Essentially.

2:08:50 Speaker 2: The full security feed.

2:08:51 Speaker 1: I mean, if someone wanted to sit and watch Skinwalker

2:08:54 Speaker 1: Ranch all day, they could.

2:08:56 Speaker 3: Yeah, and there are people that do that. Is a

2:09:00 Speaker 3: Skinwalker dash ranch dot com or if you just put

2:09:03 Speaker 3: Skinwalker Ranch dot com in it will take you there too.

2:09:07 Speaker 3: And that's the that's the Insider page. And then also

2:09:11 Speaker 3: I'm on Instagram, Instagram and Twitter and Facebook. I'm generally

2:09:15 Speaker 3: spending most of my efforts on Instagram, and it's Caleb

2:09:20 Speaker 3: Bench or Caleb that Bench. And you should see my

2:09:22 Speaker 3: photo that it's the same photo that I think you

2:09:25 Speaker 3: got Tyler. And then yeah, so that's where I'm out. Yeah,

2:09:31 Speaker 3: that's where I'm at. That's where I'm posting more stuff

2:09:34 Speaker 3: and working the and obviously doing stuff like this. I

2:09:38 Speaker 3: appreciate you having me on and having the discussion.

2:09:41 Speaker 1: You know, yep, plenty more of it to be had.

2:09:44 Speaker 1: And again, like I was staying at the beginning, you know,

2:09:47 Speaker 1: I remember our first conversation. I was like I was

2:09:51 Speaker 1: still very green back then.

2:09:53 Speaker 2: I was doing it.

2:09:55 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I was doing Total Disclosure as

2:09:58 Speaker 1: a segment of the other podcast.

2:10:01 Speaker 2: You know it.

2:10:02 Speaker 1: It was so oh man, it's we've just I think

2:10:05 Speaker 1: we've both come a long way and it's really been

2:10:07 Speaker 1: nice to catch up.

2:10:08 Speaker 2: We get some of that, get some of.

2:10:09 Speaker 1: That introductory stuff out of the way so that when

2:10:12 Speaker 1: we bring in we can kind of go into the

2:10:14 Speaker 1: real like storied aspect that I really want.

2:10:17 Speaker 2: To have a few things I'd love to yeah, man,

2:10:20 Speaker 2: catch up on.

2:10:22 Speaker 3: Yeah, of course we got I got plenty of stuff.

2:10:24 Speaker 3: And I'll remind me what I can send you to show.

2:10:28 Speaker 1: Absolutely, I absolutely and for everyone, for anyone in the future,

2:10:34 Speaker 1: we're gonna be doing a little bit of a of

2:10:37 Speaker 1: a secondary if you will live show tonight, uh or whenever,

2:10:45 Speaker 1: whenever you hear this, go back and watch. But uh,

2:10:50 Speaker 1: Gene and I the producer, we're gonna we're gonna sit down,

2:10:52 Speaker 1: we're gonna dish because we got some things we want

2:10:55 Speaker 1: to talk about, especially with all the developments as of lately.

2:10:57 Speaker 1: So Caleb, thank you so much for in here. To

2:11:01 Speaker 1: everyone else, check out yeah, check out that, check out

2:11:05 Speaker 1: that live stream after the fact, and uh, Caleber and

2:11:08 Speaker 1: you're always welcome. Like I said, I'll be in touch

2:11:10 Speaker 1: and uh, let's try to get you up to Boston man.

2:11:13 Speaker 3: Right Heck, heck, yeah, I'll come over to the Boston

2:11:15 Speaker 3: and let's go watch the Celtics.

2:11:17 Speaker 1: Yeah, I would love to go to a game, brother,

2:11:19 Speaker 1: I would love to lean carved time out for that.

2:11:21 Speaker 3: Uh.

2:11:22 Speaker 1: But so yep, watch uh season right now. You can

2:11:28 Speaker 1: watch see all the seasons one through six of uh

2:11:32 Speaker 1: The Secret of Skinwalker Ranch on History Channel or if

2:11:36 Speaker 1: you don't don't have cable, you can get it on

2:11:39 Speaker 1: History's The Vault, which is such a great that's what

2:11:42 Speaker 1: I use because I don't have cable anymore.

2:11:45 Speaker 2: So it's it's a really really great, great show.

2:11:48 Speaker 1: Again, I think it's one of the best, one of

2:11:51 Speaker 1: the best out of that sector because it is very

2:11:54 Speaker 1: rigorous and it's uh data collection, it's scientific driven uh focus,

2:11:59 Speaker 1: and you know, it is also a bit really fun

2:12:02 Speaker 1: to watch the personalities like yourself, you know, come to

2:12:05 Speaker 1: fruition over the years and come into your own So

2:12:08 Speaker 1: truly one of the better shows on History Channel in

2:12:10 Speaker 1: my opinion.

2:12:12 Speaker 3: Well, thank you. I appreciate it.

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2:12:43 Speaker 1: Stay humble, stay kind, stay and