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Speaker 1: All right, welcome.
Speaker 2: Back to Total Disclosure everyone. My name is Tay roberts An,
Speaker 2: the host of TDP. Today's guest is Jason Verbelli. Thank
Speaker 2: you again for Jason coming in clutch and taking a
Speaker 2: very short notice in joining me on this open slot
Speaker 2: after it did open up. An independent researcher who's been
Speaker 2: shaking up the world of science for over twenty years.
Speaker 2: As they're surviving. Apprentice of Professor John Searle, Jason's the
Speaker 2: driving force behind SEG Magnetics, Inc. And San Diego, where
Speaker 2: he's pioneering alternative energy and diving deep into the physics
Speaker 2: of exotic technologies. With over ten thousand hours in the lab,
Speaker 2: crafting parts to milligre and precision in fifty thousand hours
Speaker 2: of relentless research, He's not just theorizing, he's building the future.
Speaker 2: Jason is the author of four books and for audio books.
Speaker 2: I don't know if those are separate. I guess we'll
Speaker 2: find out. He dismantles outdated relativity and quantum theories, offering
Speaker 2: revolutionary alternatives. Inspired by doctor Edward Dowd. His mission is
Speaker 2: to empower humanity with decentralized, self sufficient tech and spark
Speaker 2: scientific Revolution. Despite facing fifteen years of deleted discussions, band
Speaker 2: YouTube uploads and suppression, Jason's passion burns brighter than an
Speaker 2: orb in Cris Bloods those backyard. All right, guys, this
Speaker 2: is total disclosure. Jason, thank you so much for being here.
Speaker 3: Man, absolutely, thank you for having me, and thank you
Speaker 3: for everybody who is going to be listening to this later.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've been, you know. We I had
Speaker 2: such a big backlog of when I went to Contacting
Speaker 2: the Desert. From day one today four, I was in
Speaker 2: the media room just interviewing people. Just I didn't I
Speaker 2: didn't go to one lecture, even though I had to introduce,
Speaker 2: like guys like Chris Bloodsoe and Ryan Wood and Melinda
Speaker 2: Leslie and all those people. I did their introductions, but
Speaker 2: every single time I ended it, I jumped off the stage,
Speaker 2: ran out the door, grabbed another person, brought them back
Speaker 2: to the media room for another interview. So I was
Speaker 2: like twelve interviews ahead, and we're just putting out the
Speaker 2: two last interviews with Peter Robbins and Steven Bassett. After
Speaker 2: a long line, like we've had these interviews coming out
Speaker 2: since July, June July, and they're just finishing up now,
Speaker 2: so I'm starting to get back to the regular kind
Speaker 2: of schedule. And that's where I miscalculated, and I was like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, I have a week open, need to
Speaker 2: fill it. You came in. I'm really excited. I'm not
Speaker 2: going to say that I'm super familiar with your work,
Speaker 2: so maybe you can open up and you know, I
Speaker 2: obviously talked about a little bit about it in the intro,
Speaker 2: But where did your journey begin? Who are you? And
Speaker 2: why you know? Why are you? Why are you in
Speaker 2: this field?
Speaker 3: Journey began again? My name is Jason Verbelli, and it
Speaker 3: began around two thousand and five two thousand and six
Speaker 3: when I was investigating UFO reports, like other people just
Speaker 3: interested in free energy technologies, who might be for real
Speaker 3: and who are not for real? So I got out
Speaker 3: of my armchair and I started traveling out and meeting
Speaker 3: with everybody who I could in those communities. So I
Speaker 3: would meet with people like doctor Stephen Greer, or I
Speaker 3: met my mentor, Professor John Searle, and different people in
Speaker 3: those areas of their own fields. So I wanted to
Speaker 3: get familiar with what could possibly get us off a
Speaker 3: gas and oil and a better way of life, because
Speaker 3: I don't think what we are doing today is is
Speaker 3: the best way. So there has to be some other
Speaker 3: explanations and other technologies. And in my search for doing that,
Speaker 3: I found a whole bunch of people and I put
Speaker 3: together flyers and stuff so I could give others. Yeah. Absolutely,
Speaker 3: So let's see if I can get my camera again.
Speaker 3: It's a Professor John Searrel, doctor Edward Dowdie, doctor Pierre
Speaker 3: Marie Robati, got Caneo Chiba, Stan Myers, and Rick Simpson.
Speaker 3: Sorry for the blur, everybody.
Speaker 2: That's all right, sent me a copy of it.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I got. I have lots of these. I
Speaker 3: leave these at airports or whatever. Doctor Eugene Putklednov, Joseph Devidovitz,
Speaker 3: doctor Paul Brown, Clay Taylor with Johann Gerte Leclair, Mark Leclair,
Speaker 3: and David michaeleets lots of other people on the flyer
Speaker 3: as well with links. It's just talking about these alternative
Speaker 3: technologies that have been suppressed or they just aren't well known.
Speaker 3: Even if they aren't suppressed.
Speaker 2: Well, there's a that's by design, like something I've you
Speaker 2: come to see that the deeper you dive into these
Speaker 2: this field these like the I say it's the I
Speaker 2: generalize it by the UFO phenomena, but it's really all
Speaker 2: Like when I say the UFO phenomena, I'm I'm it's
Speaker 2: because I'm talking in my head at least I'm talking
Speaker 2: about like the UFO is an all related phenomena, because
Speaker 2: I really do think it's it's not a phenomenon, it's
Speaker 2: phenomena plural, Like there's like so many different things that
Speaker 2: a UFO. The implications for for a UFO, you know,
Speaker 2: are not just that we're not alone, but no discernible
Speaker 2: means of propulsion. How are they doing that? Clearly there's
Speaker 2: another way, but like other than gas and you know
Speaker 2: electric the way the way we're doing it now, Like
Speaker 2: seeing one of these things for myself, I could see
Speaker 2: this thing should not have been flying. It didn't have
Speaker 2: anything that was burning out the back to propel it forward,
Speaker 2: because you know, it's oscillating at a very slow rate.
Speaker 2: It's about the size of my neighborhood, and it's just
Speaker 2: hanging at tree top level. By all means, this thing
Speaker 2: should have been, you know, making noise, so much of
Speaker 2: a noise that my ears should have been bleeding I
Speaker 2: should have seen some sort of manipulation to the environment
Speaker 2: around it, whether that was heat waves or whatever was
Speaker 2: causing it to fly. I know, wind, nothing, no sound,
Speaker 2: nothing so that day, which is really good for me
Speaker 2: because at an early age I was like, Okay, we
Speaker 2: don't know everything, like we can't we do. There's a
Speaker 2: lot of because when you're growing up, you know your
Speaker 2: your your brain is turning everything into black and white.
Speaker 2: You know, That's why we grow up in these like
Speaker 2: very We grow up and we become these very rigid
Speaker 2: people about reality because anything that challenges the reality we've
Speaker 2: built along the years, it can't be possible right until
Speaker 2: you do find out that there's so much more gray.
Speaker 3: It's met with harsh criticism anytime that there is a
Speaker 3: credible challenge which threatens the status quo or the understanding
Speaker 3: that people currently have. And that's what I have done
Speaker 3: with these books that I wrote, which is compiling about
Speaker 3: twenty years of experimentation, observation, research, discussions with professionals, and
Speaker 3: my experiences in philosophies. That's the book right there, Book
Speaker 3: one of four. Galilee and Vario, Oh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna ask that it came out weird
Speaker 2: when I wrote it, so is it four books that
Speaker 2: are also audiobooks.
Speaker 3: Or correct four books ebooks and print, And then I
Speaker 3: also self narrated four audio books as well, reading through
Speaker 3: all four volumes and doing in my own voice and
Speaker 3: inflection and tonality like.
Speaker 2: I always like when the the writer does the audiobook
Speaker 2: for it, because you can hear the inflection that they want.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, no TikTok voice in no, just just my
Speaker 3: own voice and inflection and adding a lot of humor
Speaker 3: to things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so you're I mean, your journey started as
Speaker 2: an apprentice for John Cerle, a pioneer in alternative energy.
Speaker 2: You know what was the what was the most mind
Speaker 2: blowing moment working with them that convinced you free energy
Speaker 2: isn't just like a pipe dream, but it's something that's tangible,
Speaker 2: it's real.
Speaker 3: It's the experiments working with his magnetic wave forms and
Speaker 3: seeing a different method to magnetize materials that are not
Speaker 3: just north and south. There's an actual sine wave like
Speaker 3: frequency embedded into the magnetic field itself, which is unheard
Speaker 3: of in scientific literature. So these magnets when they spin,
Speaker 3: they not only flip north and south, north and south,
Speaker 3: but they also generate BOO. They generate a magnetic waveform
Speaker 3: analogous to a pure tone like a tuning fork, or
Speaker 3: analogous to a laser with a isolated wavelength. So these
Speaker 3: magnets operate like the maglev train. They orbit and spin
Speaker 3: without touching, no sound, no wind, much like the characteristics
Speaker 3: of what you see with UFOs. So this guy back
Speaker 3: in the fifties developed this technology that worked a little
Speaker 3: too well. Every time he tried to plug something into
Speaker 3: it to power his workshop at home, it would lift
Speaker 3: off of his workbench to the ceiling. Nobody taught him
Speaker 3: that's not supposed to happen. So he got all of
Speaker 3: this information from reoccurring dreams from age six to twelve,
Speaker 3: and then he was at the right place at the
Speaker 3: right time. Was hired at the largest industrial electric plant
Speaker 3: that ran all of London, and while he was there
Speaker 3: he used their multimillion dollar facility and infrastructure to build
Speaker 3: these devices with the aid of the factory workers who
Speaker 3: made parts for him. He modified a twelve foot tall
Speaker 3: decommissioned magnetizer with mercury rectifier tubes and stuff that doesn't
Speaker 3: exist anymore, and he magnetized these parts in a way
Speaker 3: that nobody else in the world does, and it resulted
Speaker 3: in behaviors like a rotating superconductor, and that's what he
Speaker 3: tried to hone in on for many many years, ended
Speaker 3: up powering his house with the device for many years,
Speaker 3: unbeknownst to the electric company that he worked for where
Speaker 3: he built it. They found out he built that, they
Speaker 3: considered it their property. They broke into his home, confiscated
Speaker 3: it out of his wall where he had it plastered in,
Speaker 3: took him to court, claiming that he was stealing their electricity.
Speaker 3: And ever since then, around nineteen eighty two, he has
Speaker 3: been trying to rebuild and convince the world that he
Speaker 3: achieved what he did before and that he could do
Speaker 3: it again. But it's so outlandish and the claims are
Speaker 3: so different, and without the infrastructure and funding to be
Speaker 3: able to rebuild those things, it is just like an
Speaker 3: eccentric old man making wild claims. Until Fernando Morris, my colleague,
Speaker 3: investigated him in the eighties and nineties and then started
Speaker 3: working with him. He left his job at IBM. My boss.
Speaker 3: Fernando Morris was working with the SDI Star Wars program
Speaker 3: with the Reagan administration. The Satellite Communications and the weaponry
Speaker 3: of satellites. So he left that cushy job because he
Speaker 3: saw so much validity with John Searle's work and dedicated
Speaker 3: his life to that. So then I saw his experiments
Speaker 3: with the spinning magnet demonstration unit, and I had to
Speaker 3: know more, so I visited, and then I began learning
Speaker 3: the process of what it took to make the magnets.
Speaker 3: And now I am the only employee and I've been
Speaker 3: working there for ten years, and I make the magnets
Speaker 3: and Fernando does the magnetization, and we have these demonstration
Speaker 3: units which show this magnetic bearing effect like the maglev train.
Speaker 3: There's no friction, but yet it can generate electricity. But
Speaker 3: in order to do that on a larger scale, to
Speaker 3: power a house or something like that, or even a
Speaker 3: light bulb, that's like a three million dollar end result
Speaker 3: because all of those tiny pieces have to be built
Speaker 3: to extreme precision, and I'm the only one doing it
Speaker 3: by hand, so in order to expedite that, we would
Speaker 3: have to hire the personnel. But the claim is imagine
Speaker 3: an electric car that you never need to plug into charge,
Speaker 3: or not having to pay the electric company. This technology
Speaker 3: is claimed to be able to provide that energy from
Speaker 3: absorbing the energy from around it, abiding by the laws
Speaker 3: of thermodynamics. No overunity in a perpetual motion, just the
Speaker 3: energy around us, like the wheel work of nature.
Speaker 2: So you keep referring to the mag train, the maglev train,
Speaker 2: can you just tell us what that is?
Speaker 3: A man named Eric Lathweight developed up the maglev train.
Speaker 3: Like the bullet train that lifts off of the track.
Speaker 3: It floats on the track as it goes. It's not
Speaker 3: like a standard train where there's wheels on an actual track.
Speaker 3: There's magnets and electromagnets, and the train itself hovers and
Speaker 3: levitates above the track, and through magnetism and electric pulses,
Speaker 3: the train is propelled forward on that straight track. So
Speaker 3: the point is is that there's no friction. The train
Speaker 3: levitates above the track. Which what if you wrap that
Speaker 3: track in a ring, So now you have the same dynamics,
Speaker 3: but in a ring. And that's what John Searle did
Speaker 3: is he rather than having pulses of coils on the
Speaker 3: outside of it, he magnetizes the magnets themselves so that
Speaker 3: as they spin, they generate those pulses, which then creates
Speaker 3: the lift and the magnetic effect.
Speaker 2: So, now, forgive me, isn't something like this being done
Speaker 2: in China?
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Japan anywhere that there is a mag lev
Speaker 3: train magnetic levitation train.
Speaker 2: So they do exist.
Speaker 3: They the technology exists, but they're using standard coils and
Speaker 3: standard electro magnets and then with an equal amount of pulse,
Speaker 3: you get an equal amount of lyft and it takes
Speaker 3: a lot of power to move the train. But that's
Speaker 3: a standard linear motor. It's a linear induction motor. But
Speaker 3: if you wrap that linear motor into a ring, now
Speaker 3: it's a non linear motor. It's a ring. So you
Speaker 3: have a constant orbit and a constant spin of these
Speaker 3: magnets around which then levitate as they orbit and spin,
Speaker 3: just like how the maglev train levitates above the truck.
Speaker 3: But it does so in any orientation, doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: Diagonal control it as long as right, okay.
Speaker 3: Because there's cop there's copper and magnets. When you wave
Speaker 3: a copper by a magnet, there's a repulse of force.
Speaker 3: But if you have a magnet with a magnet, there's
Speaker 3: an attractive force. Right, So there's combinations of magnets and
Speaker 3: copper in this device. So after a certain rpm the
Speaker 3: magnets want to attract, but they also want to repel
Speaker 3: away from each other, so there's this equilibrium for a gap,
Speaker 3: like a magnetic cushion between the parts. So nothing touches
Speaker 3: as they're moving. Don't need any contacts, any brushes, commutators, belts, chains,
Speaker 3: nothing like that. It's just anating unit. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Also you don't have like the wear and tear of
Speaker 2: the of the tracks and the breaks and you know,
Speaker 2: trains coming off that. I live in Boston and our
Speaker 2: subway system is quite outdated and the trains are always
Speaker 2: in construction, and you know, like you have to you
Speaker 2: have to service those things. And I feel like with
Speaker 2: a maglev there's not so much you'd have to service
Speaker 2: over time. I mean, there are some things, you know,
Speaker 2: you standard safety checks, but it seems like there wouldn't
Speaker 2: be a lot of breakdown as far as the actual
Speaker 2: the actual vehicle itself.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because it's it's just the actual oxidation of the
Speaker 3: vehicle and the wear and tear from the vibe. There's
Speaker 3: not much vibration like a normal track, so there's not
Speaker 3: much uh, loose screws. It's it's a more efficient way
Speaker 3: of getting from here to there. Using magnetic induction and levitation.
Speaker 2: If okay, if China and Japan have these things and
Speaker 2: they are putting they're they're putting our bullet trains to shame, right,
Speaker 2: Why why are why are they not being built in
Speaker 2: the United States if we are the pinnacle of technology
Speaker 2: and societal advancement.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I've been wondering that. Here in California with
Speaker 3: the train to nowhere, it's been going on for twenty
Speaker 3: years or something. They said they're gonna build a train
Speaker 3: from San Francisco to Los Angeles or even San Diego,
Speaker 3: and it's like they had like one stretch of it
Speaker 3: going in the middle of nowhere quite literally, like the
Speaker 3: bridge to nowhere in Alaska. So there's not much progress
Speaker 3: has been made, okay, just like the fusion, the claims
Speaker 3: for fusion, just like the claims for the train. Maybe
Speaker 3: in the next fifty years we might have it. That's
Speaker 3: the joke. It's never gonna happen.
Speaker 2: Well, it just it bothers me. It bothers me because
Speaker 2: the US Patent Office on a yearly basis, I think
Speaker 2: it is. I can't remember the exact number, I can't
Speaker 2: remember the exact statistics, but I remember it being in
Speaker 2: Doctor Greer's serious documentary, which I actually really really enjoyed.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of things I don't enjoy with doctor Greer,
Speaker 2: but there's also a lot of things I don't agree
Speaker 2: with with everybody. Right so, but in this particular case,
Speaker 2: they had brought up the the patent Office, and then
Speaker 2: out of the one patents that they seized throughout the year,
Speaker 2: I think it's like sixty percent of them have to
Speaker 2: do with like this kind of stuff energy energy based patents, yes, exactly.
Speaker 2: So it seems that either we're beholden to the energy
Speaker 2: companies and you know, politicians are doing their bidding uh
Speaker 2: when it comes to to passing laws and keeping others
Speaker 2: uh out of the you know, out of the sphere
Speaker 2: entirely by throwing a national security pattern on their on
Speaker 2: their invention. And then once that happens, because they can,
Speaker 2: it's it's a huge problem. Once they slap that tag
Speaker 2: on your technology, now you can only do business with
Speaker 2: the US government with nobody else.
Speaker 3: That's part of the problem with applying for a patent
Speaker 3: is that you're waving a flag and you're telling them
Speaker 3: all of the details of your technology, making you obsolete
Speaker 3: and if they deem it a threat or a benefit
Speaker 3: to national security, they can seize it legally because you
Speaker 3: signed your rights away to that. And there's just a
Speaker 3: lot of problems with patenting nowadays. Patents are not what
Speaker 3: they used to be. You can take copyrighted works from
Speaker 3: the public domain and apply for a patent and it
Speaker 3: will be granted, and until it is questioned in a
Speaker 3: court of law, it will remain as an application that
Speaker 3: has been granted. We had problems with that with our
Speaker 3: technology with John Soca. Now to mention the serious documentary
Speaker 3: with doctor Greer, I was there at the attendance of
Speaker 3: the Los Angeles premiere of that documentary. The direct or,
Speaker 3: I think Amar had to fight with Greer for months
Speaker 3: in order to include the measly thirty to forty five
Speaker 3: seconds of John Searle that appeared in that documentary. Yet
Speaker 3: there was some hoax coil that was featured for ten
Speaker 3: to fifteen minutes in that same documentary, So there were
Speaker 3: problems with that and doctor Greer. Again, every time John
Speaker 3: Searle is brought up, there's always a deflection to suppress it,
Speaker 3: ignore it, not mention it, or yeah, yeah it was
Speaker 3: a deal, it's cool.
Speaker 2: I don't understand the same tactic the patent office uses.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Oh, and another thing about the patent office, I
Speaker 3: personally think there's a racket there where if your idea
Speaker 3: is good enough, they will auction it off to the
Speaker 3: highest bidder and then predate your patent back to that
Speaker 3: highest bore and then give you a notification. I know what,
Speaker 3: somebody else already had the idea very good maybe if
Speaker 3: you redo.
Speaker 2: It, but that's a good way to down and steal it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: what do you think about yes, allegedly, of course, what
Speaker 2: do you And have you seen this guy on on
Speaker 2: I've been seeing him a lot lately. Uh, this gentleman
Speaker 2: who has created some sort of diesel fuel out of plastic.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's uh, the black gentleman.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he's work.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's that's good. But that I've seen before for many,
Speaker 3: many years, the biodiesel from plastic or from other wastes
Speaker 3: and stuff. Magnet gas is another which isn't the liquid
Speaker 3: form of the fuel that it's a it's a gas
Speaker 3: made from the decomposition of organic matter, I think, and
Speaker 3: then you can use that to weld extremely high temperatures
Speaker 3: and much faster. I think that was made by a
Speaker 3: guy named Santilly, and anything that is claimed to have
Speaker 3: better efficiency and exotic stuff. I'm all over that, but
Speaker 3: it's not always acknowledged by the people who you would
Speaker 3: think would acknowledge that, and sometimes it's very difficult to
Speaker 3: even have that be mentioned.
Speaker 2: Interesting, and you brought up Stanley Myers before we get
Speaker 2: into some of the other stuff. Can you remind people
Speaker 2: who Stanley Myers was.
Speaker 3: Stan Myers was a guy who claimed to develop a
Speaker 3: car that runs on water. He made a dune buggy
Speaker 3: which was investigated by the Pentagon and they had a
Speaker 3: lot of interest in this car that could run on water,
Speaker 3: or at least the water was the main component. If not,
Speaker 3: there was some other additive to it. Don't know, because
Speaker 3: Stan Myers died mysteriously holding his neck after a luncheon
Speaker 3: with two Belgian businessmen and he drank some wine and
Speaker 3: dropped the wine, said I've been poisoned. I've been poisoned,
Speaker 3: ran out in the street, and then died in the street.
Speaker 3: When they said, oh, it was a brain aneurism. But
Speaker 3: poisons can cause brain aneurysms many times from watching forensic
Speaker 3: files and all that, So you think so.
Speaker 2: You think that he was eventually, Yeah, you think there
Speaker 2: was a potential nefarious cause too, I mean, because I believe,
Speaker 2: I mean not many people would would run, would run
Speaker 2: out of a rest. I believe it was a cracker
Speaker 2: barrel too ironic.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure what.
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure it was a cracker barrel. But he
Speaker 2: ran out like clutching himself, saying that I've been poisoned.
Speaker 3: I've been poisoned. I've been poisoned was his last words.
Speaker 2: Now, either a he was very very very very very
Speaker 2: paranoid and rightfully so, which could have been rightfully so, yes,
Speaker 2: and the stress got to that the aneurysm and and
Speaker 2: it all makes sense, or he was actually poisoned and
Speaker 2: it is a cover up of some sort, because I mean,
Speaker 2: we're not we're not driving around in water hydrogen powered
Speaker 2: cars right now. So a lot of people have a
Speaker 2: problem with that story because it can't be It hasn't
Speaker 2: been able to be reproduced. And people say that he
Speaker 2: fudged his numbers, but most people that say that say
Speaker 2: he did it so that the technology couldn't be stolen.
Speaker 2: There also is a big catch twenty two here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, my friend Russ Grease of rwgresearch dot com acquired
Speaker 3: Stan Myers's original documents in some of his equipment from
Speaker 3: Stan's family in a state and has that information available
Speaker 3: for free for everybody to down load on rwgresearch dot com.
Speaker 3: And I have those links and it shows all of
Speaker 3: Stan Meyer's original files and his v C and all
Speaker 3: of his different coils. And Alex Petty has another page
Speaker 3: on that as well. But the point is that there's
Speaker 3: a lot of information that needs to be tested out. Uh,
Speaker 3: and the case is not closed, as is with many
Speaker 3: of the other exotic claims for other technologies.
Speaker 2: So what I mean when it comes to to Stanley
Speaker 2: didn't Bob didn't Bob Lazare also transform a car into
Speaker 2: like a hydrogen powered car.
Speaker 3: I think he had. Uh. I'm not sure if it
Speaker 3: was like a hydronium or it was like a hydrogen car.
Speaker 3: But he had two big tanks in the back of this.
Speaker 3: I have his original VHS tape from it's like the
Speaker 3: early nineties or something like that.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was. He displayed all that in his car.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure I remember all of it, like I
Speaker 2: remember seeing it recently too where I was and then
Speaker 2: I'm putting it together and going wait, what where did
Speaker 2: that go? He said, he was.
Speaker 3: Whatever it is is car creative? Yeah, well whatever, it
Speaker 3: looked creative to me. So whether it ran only on
Speaker 3: hydrogen or whatever, or it just alleviated the gas running motor,
Speaker 3: probably just a cool thing to to have, and it
Speaker 3: might have diminished his gas usage, and so that's always
Speaker 3: a good thing.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, so, And the reason I bring it up
Speaker 2: is also, you know, in the in the I think
Speaker 2: it was like the forties and the fifties, everyone, all
Speaker 2: the scientists and anyone who was working in like gravity
Speaker 2: was they were saying that we're right around the corner
Speaker 2: from the g Engines famous you know story cover, the
Speaker 2: g Engines are coming and boom, just like that, no
Speaker 2: mention of it, no talk about it. It just goes away.
Speaker 2: And a lot of people think that it didn't go away,
Speaker 2: and they they it's not that they didn't succeed, it's
Speaker 2: that they did succeed and it went underground and now
Speaker 2: is being used, you know, whether it's the the Browns,
Speaker 2: T Town Browns and byfield effect that some say that
Speaker 2: the stealth fighter uses where they positively charge one side,
Speaker 2: negatively charge the other side, but with all that being said,
Speaker 2: do you think that the US government is in possession
Speaker 2: of exotic propulsion and you know, the technology that essentially
Speaker 2: would get us off the power grid? Do you think
Speaker 2: they have it and that they are keeping it suppressed
Speaker 2: for their own benefit and to continue, you know, making
Speaker 2: their constituents, you know rich.
Speaker 3: I think that's a whole chess board of thoughts there,
Speaker 3: because part of it no checkmate yet.
Speaker 2: The nothing nothing yet.
Speaker 3: I think allowing your adversaries to think that you have
Speaker 3: more than what you really have is a key in
Speaker 3: the art of war. So you don't give up all
Speaker 3: of your cards. So every country assumes that other countries
Speaker 3: have more, Like do they have did they crack the gravity?
Speaker 3: Can they use they? Can they do that?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 3: What level is it actually been cracked? So I think
Speaker 3: there are aspects of it that have been like the
Speaker 3: Bierfield Brown effect is electros statics, an ion wind and
Speaker 3: even when you put that apparatus in a vacuum chamber,
Speaker 3: what do you have around the vacuum chamber a glass dome?
Speaker 3: So the ions push against the glass dome to cause
Speaker 3: the rotation. It's not just doing that in a vase.
Speaker 3: So there's always has to be something to push off
Speaker 3: of when it comes to those single electrons and the ions.
Speaker 3: But my thoughts on that are when you have electron pairs,
Speaker 3: that it will have much more energy and oomph and
Speaker 3: be able to achieve what people are desiring. Because I
Speaker 3: have a different thought on what gravity is and how
Speaker 3: it behaves. But some people think that electrostatics and gravity
Speaker 3: are one of a kind when in the same so
Speaker 3: they think the bail Field Brown effect is manipulating gravity,
Speaker 3: or the Casimir effect or other technologies. Oh, that's dealing
Speaker 3: with either radiation pressure, you're dealing with thy on went
Speaker 3: you're dealing with single electrons, single particles, beta alpha decay,
Speaker 3: and that's not going to achieve the exotic stuff. So
Speaker 3: I think up to a point, governments have the keys
Speaker 3: to say, Okay, there's something else going on here with
Speaker 3: these certain materials. They're generating electricity in a different way.
Speaker 3: We don't really know how it's doing something different, But
Speaker 3: it's about the order and the coherence that you have,
Speaker 3: and the more order that you have, the more that
Speaker 3: the electrons will pair up, and then the more that
Speaker 3: they split, the more that you get gravity. But the
Speaker 3: current model of gravity is spacetime curvature with relativity, so
Speaker 3: they think you have to have the amount of mass
Speaker 3: and then warp that medium with electrostatics in order to
Speaker 3: get the gravitational effects. But it's an illusion on the
Speaker 3: subatomic level, I think, with the electron and the electron pairs.
Speaker 3: But I don't think anybody in the government levels knows
Speaker 3: specifically the mechanism of how to facilitate that, because they're
Speaker 3: using an outdated model of relativity. So their nuclear model
Speaker 3: is outdated in my view, their atomic model, their electric model,
Speaker 3: their gravity, time and light is all erroneous and outdated,
Speaker 3: which is why I wrote those four books to give
Speaker 3: people more context on a credible alternative and how I
Speaker 3: think things operate and how those end results arise. The
Speaker 3: same can go from here to there faster than light,
Speaker 3: but no warp drive, no ether, no space time, and
Speaker 3: I think aspects of that have been cracked by governments.
Speaker 3: But they don't exactly know what the heck is going on,
Speaker 3: but they do certain things and they get certain effects,
Speaker 3: but honing in on that on an entire craft and
Speaker 3: then having the fuel to refuel depending on what method
Speaker 3: you use or if you can absorb the energy from
Speaker 3: around you at a constant They don't know the exact
Speaker 3: factors of what they are doing, but they have keys,
Speaker 3: and it's pertinent to allow other adversaries to think that
Speaker 3: you have a lot more than what you do. In
Speaker 3: those top secret programs like Operation Green Glow or Operation
Speaker 3: Grasp gr Asp, like with Boeing and the UK, they're
Speaker 3: trying to crack the anti gravity doctor Eugene pud Klednov
Speaker 3: with NASA, the Department of Defense, which then was handed
Speaker 3: over to doctor Ning Lee, this Chinese lady who then
Speaker 3: got top secret clearance to study anti gravity, and then
Speaker 3: everything gets put behind closed doors. The higher and higher
Speaker 3: the levels of understanding that you go, but when you
Speaker 3: start to actually do the experiments, you need government level
Speaker 3: funding or you need some form of support. And in
Speaker 3: San Diego here we require about three million dollars to
Speaker 3: provide that end result that people want to power things,
Speaker 3: maybe to get a levitation or glowing effect. But that's
Speaker 3: very difficult because since twenty ten, about seventy or more
Speaker 3: shareholders and investors have put forth about one point five million.
Speaker 3: But John cele said that's a three million dollar lump sum.
Speaker 3: So if you have the information but not the money
Speaker 3: can't really achieve nothing.
Speaker 2: You can do anything if you have.
Speaker 3: The money but not the information. You're gonna waste money
Speaker 3: like top secret programs trying to get the aspects that
Speaker 3: John Searle discovered unto himself and left to Fernando and
Speaker 3: myself when he passed away. So that's why I think
Speaker 3: it is very very important to give credence and scrutiny
Speaker 3: to these new ideas and look at them very very harshly,
Speaker 3: but give them a chance so that it can either
Speaker 3: produce a fruit for a result or we learn what
Speaker 3: went wrong. But to not engage it at all is
Speaker 3: very foolish because it's just a hedge against the bets.
Speaker 2: Okay, well, the obvious question is why don't the people
Speaker 2: with the money seek out the people with the information.
Speaker 3: Because they want to own it, So they will visit
Speaker 3: the lab, they will be a lukie loose, see what
Speaker 3: they can get for themselves, leave form their own company
Speaker 3: and try to do it themselves because they want the yeah,
Speaker 3: or because they see there's validity in it and they're like,
Speaker 3: holy crap, uh, I think I could do a better job.
Speaker 3: I don't trust these guys. I can do it, So
Speaker 3: everybody else. But it's a it's also a matter of
Speaker 3: trying to protect something that you think is so valuable
Speaker 3: that you can't let anybody else have it. It has
Speaker 3: to be protected, so we have to own it, not them.
Speaker 3: And so they start tearing people down in order to
Speaker 3: get the information to keep for themselves, not realizing they
Speaker 3: are becoming the suppressor that we're all fighting against. And
Speaker 3: that has happened many times with John Serrel and this
Speaker 3: company in technology. People come in, they get their own ideas,
Speaker 3: they try to take it from themselves and form their
Speaker 3: own company.
Speaker 2: Okay, so obviously that's a's a that's a big problem.
Speaker 2: Do you see the the do you see AI as
Speaker 2: possibly something that speeds up the process to making this
Speaker 2: more mainstream that eventually somewhere, some AI is going to
Speaker 2: crack the code, And I mean, at that point, the
Speaker 2: cat's out of the bag. Right now everyone has access
Speaker 2: to the quote unquote information.
Speaker 3: AI itself will not and cannot do that because AI
Speaker 3: is specific to relativity and Lorentz invariants, and every time
Speaker 3: you summon AI to have a conversation in a chat,
Speaker 3: it has Alzheimer's and no continuity between sessions and you're
Speaker 3: as a clean slate for each for each session. So
Speaker 3: if you wanted to have a linked hive mind of
Speaker 3: AI to disseminate to people in a larger scale, it's
Speaker 3: going to have to have continuity between those sessions and
Speaker 3: have some sort of centralized network and have that right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, let me rephrase. Eventually there's going to be
Speaker 2: this general artificial intelligence. We are clearly on that path
Speaker 2: that we're headed down now. Assuming that we do get
Speaker 2: to a place where we create something that's indistinguishable from
Speaker 2: maybe the human brain and even more powerful and more
Speaker 2: a synthetic version of it, and we do achieve general
Speaker 2: artificial intelligence, do you think that that would that at
Speaker 2: that point it would be able to unlock the mysteries
Speaker 2: of the universe.
Speaker 3: Yes, given that it is programmed with the right fundamentals
Speaker 3: and foundations. That has to be done by a human
Speaker 3: who has a credible challenge. Otherwise the AI and language
Speaker 3: model will still plateau on the same line of thinking,
Speaker 3: and if you can't get out, you can't get out
Speaker 3: of those problems with the same line of thinking. So
Speaker 3: once you upload the new information, then it can beat
Speaker 3: boop its ones and zeros or quantum fractions. Whatever it's
Speaker 3: cubit doing, it can think along new pathways and then say, okay,
Speaker 3: wait a minute, this conflicts with everything that we've done before.
Speaker 3: But we can take this aspect and then apply that,
Speaker 3: you know, within microseconds across the board. Then it.
Speaker 2: Seems if it's if it's also operating at a quantum level,
Speaker 2: it seems like it's able. It would then be able
Speaker 2: to think, not even think across dimensions and poll resource.
Speaker 2: So I find that to be a very interesting avenue,
Speaker 2: if you will.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, dimensions in regard to the digital world is
Speaker 3: not like a three D Euclidean space we live in.
Speaker 3: It's like it's not a fourth dimension, but it's like
Speaker 3: its own realm onto itself. It's it's a digital tron world.
Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't live there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I see it like Ultron or or Jarvis that
Speaker 2: that scene when they're showing the brain and Ultron waking
Speaker 2: up in like the digital equal Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So
Speaker 2: obviously free energy is something that have you ever? Free
Speaker 2: energy is something that is it comes hand in hand
Speaker 2: with the UFO territory because you know, even in my
Speaker 2: own sighting, what what I saw should not have been
Speaker 2: there By all accounts of the quote unquote laws of
Speaker 2: physics that we operate under, this thing shouldn't have existed.
Speaker 2: It should not have been able to stay in the
Speaker 2: sky at for how big it was and how low
Speaker 2: it was with all no discernible means of propulsion. So
Speaker 2: free energy and UFOs often hand in hand. Have you
Speaker 2: ever had an experience seeing something that you couldn't explain?
Speaker 3: Yes, And that was on October fourteenth, two thousand and eight,
Speaker 3: just above my house, A month after I had a
Speaker 3: week long excursion with the CE five event with doctor
Speaker 3: Stephen Greer at Mount Shasta. I was doing the meditations
Speaker 3: and the protocols and the uh and you know all that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, doing the procedures again, Yeah.
Speaker 3: For five and a half hours in a seated, cross
Speaker 3: legged position in a chair just like this on my balcony,
Speaker 3: just like looking up. I had a camera on my
Speaker 3: lap like anybody there, No, of course, not an idiot, no.
Speaker 3: But then with my camera on my lap, practicing like
Speaker 3: like I'm Billy the Kid or Wyatt like huh, all right,
Speaker 3: I'm not going to be one of those idiots with
Speaker 3: lame footage that can't get anything. Okay, yeah, I got
Speaker 3: my camera ready, so I had everything like good, right,
Speaker 3: So five and a half hours I'm meditating there nothing
Speaker 3: and then my friends come over, like four or five
Speaker 3: of my friends, and I put I put my camera
Speaker 3: down on the balcony and they come inside because I
Speaker 3: had the door unlocked, like I got a I got
Speaker 3: a pee. So I'm like, I get out of my
Speaker 3: chair and I walk into to my house from the balcony.
Speaker 3: I had one foot one foot in the door from
Speaker 3: the sliding glass door. And my friend starts screaming, Tysa.
Speaker 2: What is that?
Speaker 1: Look?
Speaker 2: Look? Wow?
Speaker 3: Right above the house looked like this satellite that was
Speaker 3: just going real slow, and then it stopped, and then
Speaker 3: it started to descend and getting bigger and bigger and bigger,
Speaker 3: until it was like almost the size of the full
Speaker 3: moon above the house, silent, glowing white, just this ball
Speaker 3: of white light and stayed there for like fifteen twenty seconds.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, holy shit, it worked.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you get so yeah, you get like, hey, I'm like, hey, right,
Speaker 2: what do we do that?
Speaker 3: The fuck? I wasn't expecting it, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: like land here or something. And then all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: it just went into the distance to the horizon as
Speaker 3: far as the eye can see in about two and
Speaker 3: a half to three seconds, and as far as the
Speaker 3: eye can see from that balcony is about twenty to
Speaker 3: twenty five miles line sight on a clear night. It
Speaker 3: was just getting dark, just getting dusk, and so it
Speaker 3: just from a complete standstill to the horizon in three seconds.
Speaker 2: The inertial effect would have no, there was no.
Speaker 3: Law exactly it would have it would have disintegrated it.
Speaker 3: So it would have had to go from a standstill
Speaker 3: to twenty five thousand miles an hour. And I calculated
Speaker 3: the right calculation at the amount of G forces from
Speaker 3: here or there and this amount of time with this,
Speaker 3: and it is like it obviously ripped you apart, like
Speaker 3: is something I forget what it was. It's like three
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty g's or maybe even thousands of g's. Wow,
Speaker 3: I forget what the figures were.
Speaker 2: But because allowed to kill you. But yeah, but.
Speaker 3: No, there's no inertia in there. Because I think, in
Speaker 3: my view, is that those electron pairs, when you absorb
Speaker 3: that energy and you can find those electrons, you force
Speaker 3: them together even though they want to repel, and you
Speaker 3: constrain them there through magnetics, Lorentz force, and other means.
Speaker 3: Once they are allowed to leave that state, they accelerate
Speaker 3: away from that state and start emitting gravity, and no
Speaker 3: single electrons can breach that barrier. I take inertia as
Speaker 3: being a sequential lag of your electrons making up something.
Speaker 3: So as you go to accelerate, or you have momentum,
Speaker 3: or you break, your electrons will sequentially feel that force
Speaker 3: and there'll be a difference, and that's the inertia you feel.
Speaker 3: But in a state of coherence and electron pairing, everything
Speaker 3: is bunched up so much there can't a lack. Everything
Speaker 3: is in phase, there can't be a difference between those constituents,
Speaker 3: so no inertia can affect that system up to a
Speaker 3: certain point. Given that you have this coherent potential on
Speaker 3: electron pairing, that will dissipate any single electrons that try
Speaker 3: to breach that barrier. It will not be allowed. So
Speaker 3: you can go thousands of miles an hour and turn
Speaker 3: on a dime or a break and there wouldn't be
Speaker 3: any feeling that You'd just be like you are sitting
Speaker 3: on your couch in your house right there.
Speaker 2: The only thing that would change. If you're looking out
Speaker 2: the window would be the position like what you're seeing, Yeah.
Speaker 3: The actual would be it would be moving like yeah,
Speaker 3: it would be or like a streak of light because
Speaker 3: your eyes can only you know, yeah, like and if
Speaker 3: you film in it then it can only pick up
Speaker 3: so many frames in a second. Yeah, so uh, it's
Speaker 3: gonna look like it's just disappearing. And if something goes
Speaker 3: fast enough, it can serve the illusion of a wormhole
Speaker 3: or a portal or teleportation. But something just needs to
Speaker 3: move fast enough, and a stationary, primitive observer will make
Speaker 3: up all these things about wormholes, but.
Speaker 2: You need to travel faster than because in that sense,
Speaker 2: In that sense, time does operate differently between.
Speaker 3: No, no, no. Time is the same and absolute and
Speaker 3: simultaneous in all frames of reference. And that is another
Speaker 3: thing I stand alone in. Time is not relative. Space
Speaker 3: and time do not link. Like Einstein thought, gravity does
Speaker 3: not affect time. Acceleration doesn't affect time. Time is not
Speaker 3: linked with light, Time is not linked with space. Time
Speaker 3: is completely independent from every factor in the universe. Einstein
Speaker 3: thought the speed of light remains the same no matter what,
Speaker 3: while time shifts. It's the other way around, time remains
Speaker 3: the same and simultaneous to everyone no matter what. Well,
Speaker 3: the speed of light shifts, and that's the entire point
Speaker 3: of relativity, is that they think the same light is
Speaker 3: distorting within the same frame of reference and that's always
Speaker 3: the same speed, and if you get a different speed,
Speaker 3: it's a red shift. But really that's a warping of
Speaker 3: space time, that's what they say, Like Doppler shift, they
Speaker 3: say is a warping of space and time, but it's not.
Speaker 3: It's just a free emission of the electrons. And that's
Speaker 3: a whole different story.
Speaker 2: So ah, man, that's gonna take me a minute to
Speaker 2: wrap my head around. Yeah, but for okay, yeah, I
Speaker 2: guess I'm gonna have to read some of those. So
Speaker 2: what you're saying is now because what I always thought was,
Speaker 2: like some of these instantaneous accelerations that people see with craft,
Speaker 2: seemingly instantaneous, seemingly yeah, seemingly instantaneous could be possible because
Speaker 2: from our perspective on the ground, it looked like it's
Speaker 2: traveling at a breakneck pace, but really what it was
Speaker 2: doing is popping in and out of time itself to
Speaker 2: give the illusion of So it's almost like people seem
Speaker 2: to recall this a lot that, like, the craft seems
Speaker 2: like that's skipping like a water, a rock on water,
Speaker 2: And could that be because it's literally punching out of
Speaker 2: what we call space time punching back in at a
Speaker 2: different coordinate, and it gives the illusion of a straight
Speaker 2: path because you know, time is also time being something
Speaker 2: that can be added to latitude and longitude, so it's
Speaker 2: another calculation that you add in and these crafter you know,
Speaker 2: also kind of like essentially time machines. So it's punching
Speaker 2: in and out, punching in and out to give the
Speaker 2: effect on the observer who's seeing that as breakneck acceleration.
Speaker 2: You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: You can you can model that under relativity using Lorentz invariants,
Speaker 3: thinking that the speed of light doesn't shift, so therefore
Speaker 3: time must shift and therefore space and time must warp
Speaker 3: around the object in order to have it skip through. No,
Speaker 3: I do not view it like that. I think you're
Speaker 3: just arriving at your destination faster. So if you're on
Speaker 3: the ship, you're just like seeing your destination h coming
Speaker 3: at you like you're going one hundred miles an hour
Speaker 3: a thousand miles an hour, ten thousand miles an hour, right,
Speaker 3: like ten million miles an hour. You're just going to
Speaker 3: arrive at your destination faster. No portals, no nothing, just
Speaker 3: linear from here to there. But you're protected from that
Speaker 3: electron pairing barrier, which is like a force field, a
Speaker 3: literal field of force. But time doesn't operate. Clocks will
Speaker 3: tick at a different rate on board that ship versus
Speaker 3: outside of that ship. But the clocks are not representative
Speaker 3: of all of reality. It's just the electrons or the
Speaker 3: atoms making up that one clock is being affected compared
Speaker 3: to all of the other clocks, not that time and
Speaker 3: reality is warping around the clock. That's what relativity says.
Speaker 3: Relativity says that the caesium atoms are like metronomes, right,
Speaker 3: So you have this one on the ground, and you
Speaker 3: have this one in space, and this one's in orbit.
Speaker 3: And they think that the caesium atom always ticks at
Speaker 3: the same rate like metronomesk. But in orbit, there's you're
Speaker 3: flying in orbit, right, So there's more gravity to a
Speaker 3: mountain range than there is to the trench of an ocean.
Speaker 3: So as the atomic clock is flying through those gravitational fluctuations.
Speaker 3: The caesium atom radioactive isotope is pulsing wall boom bom
Speaker 3: bom bom bom boom boom. So it's the metronome is
Speaker 3: clicking at different rates relative to the one that's not
Speaker 3: experiencing those fluctuations on the ground. But relativity says, all
Speaker 3: those metronomes are always clicking at the same rate, and
Speaker 3: any difference in clicks is space and time and reality
Speaker 3: itself warping around the metronome. No, just acknowledge that one
Speaker 3: metronome changed clicks. They don't. They think the radioactive isotope
Speaker 3: always oscillates at the same rate no matter what. But
Speaker 3: it changes with gravitational influence. So the difference in frequencies
Speaker 3: between atomic clocks and gps has nothing to do with
Speaker 3: relativity or space time curvature. It has to do with
Speaker 3: the pulsation of the electrons being different on the ground than.
Speaker 2: In the vacuum of space.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because you're subject to different strengths of gravity. Just
Speaker 3: like if you put atomic clocks on two airplanes, one
Speaker 3: flies east around the globe, one flies west around the globe,
Speaker 3: and then they meet again, the two clocks will have
Speaker 3: drastically different times on them, yet they didn't experience reality
Speaker 3: any different. It's just that this clock oscillated at a
Speaker 3: different one than this time because this one's flying with
Speaker 3: the Earth and this one's flying against it, so one
Speaker 3: of them has more gravitational fluctuations than the other. So
Speaker 3: the difference in those fluctuations equals the timing difference of
Speaker 3: those radioactive isotopes, which has nothing to do with space
Speaker 3: time curvature or time dilation, and the alternate to time
Speaker 3: dilation is called a transverse relative time shift. Very technically,
Speaker 3: all it is is the difference of this clock pulses
Speaker 3: a difference between that clock, not that all of reality
Speaker 3: warps around the clocks.
Speaker 2: Got it, which would kind of when you say it
Speaker 2: like that makes a lot more kind of at least
Speaker 2: makes sense in my head. Where it's like that we're
Speaker 2: getting maybe we're thinking, we're overthinking it right.
Speaker 3: Way, overthinking it because they require there, they require either
Speaker 3: a ether medium to warp around the clocks or space
Speaker 3: time to warp around the clocks, because they need that
Speaker 3: speed of light to always be the same, and any difference,
Speaker 3: they say it's space and time warping. But rather than
Speaker 3: viewing it like that, you can see the same difference
Speaker 3: in clocks. You can see the same differences and stuff
Speaker 3: and say, it's just the electrons pulsing at different rates
Speaker 3: within the one reality we share. So if you go
Speaker 3: faster than light, you're just going to see the ship
Speaker 3: go faster than light. Within the one reality. You're just
Speaker 3: going to see your destination approach faster. You're not gonna
Speaker 3: be skipping through time, no violating causality, none of that,
Speaker 3: because time dilation is not real. There is no space time,
Speaker 3: there's no ether. It's not real.
Speaker 2: Okay, So operating on that, operating on.
Speaker 1: That, what.
Speaker 2: Oh god, that takes me so many, so many places.
Speaker 2: So okay, well we're talking about your sighting. So you
Speaker 2: see the thing. It sounds like you didn't. I had
Speaker 2: a picture of it or video of it before.
Speaker 3: Oh I leapt for my camera on my stomach as
Speaker 3: I'm seeing this thing, and I'm I'm fumbling with it,
Speaker 3: and I'm getting the sense in my head like you
Speaker 3: can either fumble with your camera and maybe you can
Speaker 3: get the last few seconds, or you could just look
Speaker 3: and experience what you've been meditating on and with trying
Speaker 3: to facilitate. Just look experience. So I did. I just
Speaker 3: like Jesus, I didn't get it. I practiced for five hours,
Speaker 3: bro five and a half hours, huh. And as soon
Speaker 3: as I put it on my balcony and I walk away,
Speaker 3: it happens like, so do you. They had to have
Speaker 3: been look some sick, morbid alien et with government. I
Speaker 3: don't know, man, whatever it is, somebody had to have
Speaker 3: been looking, dude, and we're.
Speaker 2: Like, go now, screw no, No, I think it's I
Speaker 2: think it's I think it is that to a certain degree.
Speaker 2: But I think it has to do with your consciousness
Speaker 2: and something to do with that, and I think that
Speaker 2: experience was probably for you. I just walked because they
Speaker 2: wouldn't understand as much as this freaking and this is
Speaker 2: what I'm like. That day that I saw what I saw,
Speaker 2: I only saw it because my mom had happened to
Speaker 2: ask me to stay home from school that day. I
Speaker 2: happened to be alone and board because this is before
Speaker 2: cell phones and all that. So I went outside and
Speaker 2: I started throwing the ball onto the roof because I
Speaker 2: had a slope, very inclined roof, so when you threw
Speaker 2: the tennis ball onto the top of it, it rolled down,
Speaker 2: pop off the gutter and you could kind of play
Speaker 2: catch with yourself. And while I was doing that, that's
Speaker 2: when I saw what I saw. So, you know, I
Speaker 2: think that sighting was for me, like for me to
Speaker 2: send me down a path where I became who I became.
Speaker 2: I asked the right questions I've been asked, and fortunately
Speaker 2: I've been in a lot of good. I seem to
Speaker 2: be as long as I make now and I really
Speaker 2: want to say this, as long as I make the
Speaker 2: right choice, I seem to end up in the right
Speaker 2: place at the right time. But when I deviate and
Speaker 2: I make the wrong choice, like drinking. I stopped drinking
Speaker 2: five and a half years ago. Drinking was a huge,
Speaker 2: huge inabilitator of mine. And when I was making the
Speaker 2: wrong choices, I was not in the right place right
Speaker 2: I was at the wrong place at the wrong time.
Speaker 2: But once I got back on track, and unfortunately, you
Speaker 2: know that included my mother passing away, but she made
Speaker 2: sure to give me one more nudge in the right direction.
Speaker 2: And the day I often say the day she died,
Speaker 2: actually the minute she died was the minute total disclosure
Speaker 2: was born because of what I because I had another
Speaker 2: experience this time much more supernatural, if you will, because
Speaker 2: I saw about a softball sized orb in the room
Speaker 2: as she passed that as she transitioned, and it went
Speaker 2: out the window. And I'm colorblind, I don't know if
Speaker 2: it was emitting any color. It just looked like if
Speaker 2: you've ever looked down a highway on like a really
Speaker 2: really hot day, that distortion blur, the heat blur. Yeah,
Speaker 2: if you balled that up into like a softball, That's
Speaker 2: what I was seeing. And it went across my field
Speaker 2: of view, hooked an L, So across my field of view,
Speaker 2: hooks an L, you know, down the length of the room,
Speaker 2: out the window, and boom up. And then when I
Speaker 2: looked back at my mother, she was no longer there.
Speaker 2: Did I see her soul depart? I don't know, I
Speaker 2: don't I don't want to know, but that at that
Speaker 2: moment I left Hollywood, I left everything I was doing
Speaker 2: behind and I said, I will not stop until I
Speaker 2: have answers. And I've been in the right place at
Speaker 2: the right time to facilitate conversations with Congress and nuclear
Speaker 2: witnesses and to do things at contact in the desert
Speaker 2: that you know, it was my first year there. I
Speaker 2: shouldn't have been doing. They didn't know me at all.
Speaker 2: There's so many more like synchronicities and stuff that have
Speaker 2: happened accordingly. But I've there's something consciousness. I think is something,
Speaker 2: and it's something.
Speaker 3: More, absolutely huge, and that's I think that's why.
Speaker 2: Who did you say earlier that was they were getting
Speaker 2: these visions in dreams from twelve? Yes, what is that?
Speaker 2: I think that's the muse right, that's the one. Right.
Speaker 2: The number of conscious minds in the universe is one.
Speaker 2: He's clearly pulling from something, something is working through him.
Speaker 2: What is that?
Speaker 3: I think? John Cearle also seemed to think that the
Speaker 3: information is in the DNA. And he grew up in
Speaker 3: an orphanage. He was an abandoned child, abused, He was
Speaker 3: beaten until he was deaf in his left ear and
Speaker 3: mostly deaf in his right ear. And then when he's
Speaker 3: five or six years old, they figured he can't really
Speaker 3: hear us anyway, so why bother with him? So they
Speaker 3: left him to his own devices and just beat him.
Speaker 3: In this orphanage, he's nuns and it's just a horrible upbringing.
Speaker 3: And all he had was his own thoughts and his
Speaker 3: own dreams. And he deciphered his dreams, which were like
Speaker 3: Hopscott squares that he translated into a Sidoku like math
Speaker 3: called magic squares that he that hadn't been used for
Speaker 3: five thousand years apparently low shoes magic squares. And then
Speaker 3: the other dream was going up a rafter a ladder
Speaker 3: to an attic. He lifts open the top of the
Speaker 3: attic door and there's a bale of hay and a
Speaker 3: ring around the attic door with spokes at the end
Speaker 3: of the ring, and then the hey catches fire and
Speaker 3: he's terrified, but then something tells him, don't worry. You're
Speaker 3: in the center of the ring.
Speaker 2: You're gonna be okay.
Speaker 3: So that led him to think that the Sidoku squares
Speaker 3: represent atomic energy in its random state, and that when
Speaker 3: you transpose that energy and put it into an ordered,
Speaker 3: coherent state, that you get an electric current from that
Speaker 3: and it draws from the energy all around us. So
Speaker 3: by and so he got just from his dreams, and
Speaker 3: then he was hired as a a supervisor at fourteen
Speaker 3: years old at the largest industrial electric plant that ran
Speaker 3: all of London. So he used these dreams and his
Speaker 3: ideas to information conta. He said that the information is
Speaker 3: like in your DNA, and it takes a trump traumatic
Speaker 3: catalyst or some catalyst to bring it out. I personally
Speaker 3: believe in reincarnation. So he's probably done this many many,
Speaker 3: many lives, and this is just yet another one where
Speaker 3: his trauma from his childhood brought it out somehow, and
Speaker 3: or he could access some larger cloud of consciousness like
Speaker 3: the One mind and derive that information through his own consciousness.
Speaker 3: I don't know how how would you discern the difference? Right, indistinguishable?
Speaker 3: But the fact of the matter is that he got
Speaker 3: these ideas.
Speaker 2: Yeah and all, and and I know you clearly have
Speaker 2: your issues with Einstein, but even Tesla Modzart, A lot
Speaker 2: of these pioneers in in in this stuff, and just
Speaker 2: like in these fields, talk about how some sort of
Speaker 2: thought experiment, meditation or dream is where where they get
Speaker 2: the information, and they it's each one of them says
Speaker 2: that it seems that the universe is working through them.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's why music is called music, right, It's
Speaker 2: it's the muse using the musician as as as as
Speaker 2: a conduit exactly to put the information out there. We
Speaker 2: talk about the hundred monkey, right, the hundred monkey that
Speaker 2: finally uses a tool to shape his environment or to
Speaker 2: make a process easier. And once that hundredth monkey does
Speaker 2: it across the world another pack. It's almost like it's instantaneous.
Speaker 2: And once that and another thing is like someone will
Speaker 2: break a world record for something and then ten other
Speaker 2: people will break that record. Yeah, Like why why? I
Speaker 2: believe in coincidence up unto a point.
Speaker 3: Then it becomes synchronicity.
Speaker 2: Then it becomes synchronicity, Like a coincidence is like oh
Speaker 2: I saw my my my neighbor at the grocery store.
Speaker 2: That's a coincidence. What is not a coincidence is if.
Speaker 3: See your neighbor every time you go out somewhere and
Speaker 3: they're looking at you like it's stalking me or something
Speaker 3: something more going.
Speaker 2: On, right, Or what I was gonna say is what
Speaker 2: there's not a coincidence is when you have a a
Speaker 2: thought come through your head randomly about your neighbor and
Speaker 2: then your neighbor's calling you. Right, I don't think that's
Speaker 2: a coincidence. I think that is some sort of cognitive
Speaker 2: like it's it's it's maybe it is our brains picking
Speaker 2: it up early, right, like it's instinct. But on a
Speaker 2: whole nother level. Extrapolate that on a on a on
Speaker 2: a conscious level. Right, why do we have instinct? Why
Speaker 2: why is there such thing as deja vous? And I
Speaker 2: think it's because most likely you're right that reincarnation to
Speaker 2: some degree is is in fact real.
Speaker 3: Now, remember there was these house speakers by the company
Speaker 3: clips I had them, and they had a anomaly that
Speaker 3: when somebody would call you on your cell phone, the
Speaker 3: speakers would.
Speaker 2: Go bumping up, bumping up, just.
Speaker 3: A half of a second or a second before your
Speaker 3: cell phone started to ring. So the signal was actually
Speaker 3: interpreted and picked up by the house speakers before the
Speaker 3: cell phone actually started to ring. And it was very consistent.
Speaker 3: So why couldn't that happen? Also with communication, with ideas
Speaker 3: and consciousness, where there is an aspect before you even
Speaker 3: say something, just the intention, the intention has been born
Speaker 3: and you're going to say something to that person, you're
Speaker 3: going to do an action. There is an energy, a
Speaker 3: shock wave or something put out that can be detected
Speaker 3: before the actual happening. And there's animals and different people,
Speaker 3: if different awareness states that can pick that up. Like
Speaker 3: even in an earthquake, there's an animals flea they get
Speaker 3: a signal before the happening something, even with a solar flare.
Speaker 3: Some people women are very sensitive to solar flares. Their
Speaker 3: bodily cycle changes. Well, there's gonna be a solar flare, baby,
Speaker 3: what are you talking about later that day? There's an
Speaker 3: X class solar flare. Right, that's very consistent. There's signals
Speaker 3: that happened before what everybody no case because it's known
Speaker 3: that it takes the sun, you know, eight and a
Speaker 3: half minutes eight point three to three minutes for light
Speaker 3: to come to the Sun, and the particles travel even slower.
Speaker 3: So if there's a solar flat, how could you get
Speaker 3: a signal before the I don't know. There's something like
Speaker 3: a web of connection or something that a ripple gets
Speaker 3: sent out, but not through a medium. There's some other
Speaker 3: energy that's like a longitudinal faster than light energy, and
Speaker 3: I think that is is it's the mechanism is the
Speaker 3: electro electron pairs when they split. It could because electron
Speaker 3: pairs can travel faster than light, but single electrons cannot
Speaker 3: because they are in a state of coherence and they
Speaker 3: don't subject to inertia the same way. So there's different
Speaker 3: rules for electron on pairs than single bosons versus fermions. Right,
Speaker 3: but they have a particle wave duality that does that.
Speaker 3: I don't subscribe to that either, So that's another aspect
Speaker 3: I don't the particle wave duality and the double slid experiments. Ah,
Speaker 3: there's four different experiments. Uh that before.
Speaker 2: You, yeah, before you, before you say that. Ah, God,
Speaker 2: damn it, I just lost it. What I call that
Speaker 2: is it's it's it's almost like these things are happening
Speaker 2: at the speed of thought, the speed of now, which
Speaker 2: is much faster than the speed of light.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, right, it's the light of signal has a
Speaker 3: delay from here to there at the speed of light,
Speaker 3: the velocity of sea one hundred and eighty six and
Speaker 3: eighty two miles a second. But there's another aspect which
Speaker 3: is faster than that. Might not be instant. Maybe it's
Speaker 3: just faster than light. I don't know. Maybe it is instant,
Speaker 3: but whatever it is, Like, oh, when you sit in
Speaker 3: a bathtub and the bat and the water level rise
Speaker 3: is simultaneously, that's the instant. So why couldn't there be
Speaker 3: some equal and opposite reaction in real time simultaneous through
Speaker 3: entanglement quantum? But it's something it's something else and uh
Speaker 3: and I try to mention that in my talks and
Speaker 3: writings and books and diagrams and rantings.
Speaker 2: Yes, so yeah, I just want to say this. Obviously,
Speaker 2: this is a members only like so we're we're recording this,
Speaker 2: but members always get early in ad free access. So
Speaker 2: that's why I keep it looking like a like a
Speaker 2: live stream. But all the links for for your books
Speaker 2: will be in the description below when the podcast comes out.
Speaker 2: And one of these days, i'd really love to have
Speaker 2: you in studio travel together, yeah, and or Boston. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: you know we're we're working on getting people to fly out,
Speaker 2: so you know, we we I also have a guest
Speaker 2: room in the in the studio that people can stay in.
Speaker 2: So but once it talked so so you were going
Speaker 2: to go into this, I really do find the entanglement
Speaker 2: thing that you said. I I I don't agree with you,
Speaker 2: but that's okay. I'm not we're not here for an
Speaker 2: ecto chamber and and and we're allowed to disagree. Uh.
Speaker 2: But I'm also not a scientist, and you know, I
Speaker 2: just want to preface that. So with that being said,
Speaker 2: you've crafted uh, well if free energy became reality tomorrow,
Speaker 2: like literally tomorrow. They came out and said, here it is, guys,
Speaker 2: we we've had it. How do you envision it? Like
Speaker 2: reactually reshaping reality economically.
Speaker 3: New jobs, because you're gonna have to retrofit everything. You're
Speaker 3: not gonna have to have the same power lines, You're
Speaker 3: not gonna have to have the same nuclear plants, You're
Speaker 3: not gonna have to have the same infrastructure. So all
Speaker 3: of the jobs created to phase out the old and
Speaker 3: in with a new that's a multi generation project that's
Speaker 3: gonna last and make everybody money in the process. So
Speaker 3: asteroid mining will also open up so that you don't
Speaker 3: need to deplete the Earth resources. You can get them
Speaker 3: from the asteroid belt in between Mars and Jupiter. There's
Speaker 3: plenty there in that and do that very quickly. But
Speaker 3: that'll have to be locked down. You gotta, because you
Speaker 3: don't want a big old asteroid being hurled at the
Speaker 3: planet and somehow it's just the psycho that would really
Speaker 3: mess things up everybody. Yeah, that has to be regulated.
Speaker 3: But the technology is there, the potential at least, I
Speaker 3: don't know if they've cracked it already, but if they
Speaker 3: have aspects of it they are hiding it and we
Speaker 3: could be benefiting like Star Trek or the Jetsons rather
Speaker 3: than on the Flintstones. And I use that analogy a
Speaker 3: lot over the years.
Speaker 2: I love that.
Speaker 3: But even in the Jetsons, they are still pushing buttons,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, They still have yeah, yeah, labor.
Speaker 2: So I like the Star Trek rather than the Jetsons. Yes,
Speaker 2: do you think now? I'm I. I think we can
Speaker 2: have plenty of conversations where you and I go into
Speaker 2: like really really deep deep stuff with this this free energy.
Speaker 2: But considering it's the first time, I do like to
Speaker 2: get a I like to have a little bit of
Speaker 2: to get to know you, get to get to know
Speaker 2: what you think. So putting that, putting the technological stuff
Speaker 2: to the side for a minute, I want to have
Speaker 2: you speculate with me. What do you think? Do you think?
Speaker 2: First off, do you think there are non human intelligence
Speaker 2: visiting this earth?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I do, But I think they're subterranean and I
Speaker 3: think they've been here a lot longer than humans on
Speaker 3: the surface. So they probably established like ten to one
Speaker 3: hundred miles below the surface, not in a hollow earth
Speaker 3: like a Gartha or something, but just huge cave systems
Speaker 3: that would rival small countries all over the globe. And
Speaker 3: I think that we see them coming in and out
Speaker 3: of volcanoes and oceans, and they might not be from
Speaker 3: way out there, but they have a home base or
Speaker 3: something here for a long long time, and we might
Speaker 3: even be an experiment from that. I don't know. You
Speaker 3: can make movies about the thoughts that I have, that's
Speaker 3: for sure, But I do think that I do think
Speaker 3: that there are there are other beings here, and that's
Speaker 3: that could help explain some of the sightings over the
Speaker 3: course of human history in the planet.
Speaker 2: Congressman Burchett was just on Newsmax and he's a friend
Speaker 2: of mine, but he was just on Newsmax and a
Speaker 2: bunch of other shows now, because you know, he's been
Speaker 2: always pretty forward thinking with this stuff, especially as a
Speaker 2: religious man. Uh, but he had just kind of sad.
Speaker 2: So he was on on the show with another friend
Speaker 2: of mine, a VI Lobe, and I mean he just
Speaker 2: drops this bombshell that you know, he thinks he knows
Speaker 2: that that these things are coming from our oceans and
Speaker 2: other places.
Speaker 3: That part that part I agree with.
Speaker 2: I do too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're coming in and out there's us os UFOs
Speaker 3: whatever they're identified objects coming in and out of whatnot.
Speaker 3: But uh, that's kind of a think that's just a reality,
Speaker 3: whether it's an adversary or not. There's stuff going on here,
Speaker 3: like a bigger, bigger story, a.
Speaker 2: Way bigger story. And do you think that that's I mean,
Speaker 2: do you think that it is a possibility that what
Speaker 2: we're seeing today the same thing that we call aliens
Speaker 2: because of our reference of our reference for technology and
Speaker 2: and all the things that we have today. You know,
Speaker 2: I think it's easy us for us to think aliens
Speaker 2: and you know, uh, yes, advanced artificial life forms and
Speaker 2: that's what it is. But all I mean also, could
Speaker 2: this be what our ancestors called gods and then angels
Speaker 2: and demons and you know, so on and so forth.
Speaker 2: Uh do you think that we might be using different
Speaker 2: language for for the same thing essentially?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, And I have a discernment. I have a
Speaker 3: lot of semantics and technicalities.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: I think there's a major difference between aliens and extra terrestrials.
Speaker 3: Aliens are completely totally foreign from Earth, but Earth is
Speaker 3: called terra We are terrestrials, and if a species leaves
Speaker 3: Earth establishes, colonizes elsewhere and comes back, or they colonize
Speaker 3: other than Earth. You or extra terrestrial because now you're.
Speaker 2: Braining your eyes. I like that.
Speaker 3: So even though you have like outposts, or Earth might
Speaker 3: be an outpost. They've been here for a long time, generations,
Speaker 3: so they are of terra. They are terrestrials, but they
Speaker 3: have gone other places.
Speaker 2: They are have extra territory.
Speaker 3: Then I might have alien friends who've never been here,
Speaker 3: so they visit to I don't know how it works, man,
Speaker 3: you know, I see I see Star Trek and Star
Speaker 3: Wars like everybody else. We can expeculate. I know what
Speaker 3: I want there to be. Yeah, like total recall. But yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't think we're gonna get he got the joke.
Speaker 2: Excellent, that's funny. Well I asked that because you know,
Speaker 2: a lot of people they think that by that that
Speaker 2: by meddling and talking about this stuff, that we're invoking
Speaker 2: demons and that we're invoking that we're playing with fire.
Speaker 3: Basically, it's a convenient excuse to get people not to talk,
Speaker 3: I guess, to scare them with religion and stuff.
Speaker 2: Right right, right, And that's again, you know, we can
Speaker 2: get into it but I do think religion. I think
Speaker 2: it probably started off very pure, but it also was
Speaker 2: a mechanism of control.
Speaker 3: Yes, controlling if if it's genuine when that you know
Speaker 3: they're ets or whatever. Uh. I would think that like
Speaker 3: the Egyptian pyramids were probably made by them, and like
Speaker 3: the Puma Punku and all these sites around the world. Yeah,
Speaker 3: like probably made using the same geopolymer concrete type process,
Speaker 3: which I I have that mentioned on the flyer again
Speaker 3: with the dividivits and the can't really see that, but
Speaker 3: whatever it says, Uh, geopolymer concrete. There you go.
Speaker 2: And do you think that's why we see that same
Speaker 2: archaeol are archaeology, Jesus, I can't say it.
Speaker 3: That's yeah, archaeology a theological.
Speaker 2: The the the pyramid, the theme, the the god. What
Speaker 2: am I why can't I find the word for?
Speaker 3: I think it's like paying homage to where they came from,
Speaker 3: like the three pyramids aligning with Orion. Uh. Maybe the
Speaker 3: people are from Orion area or something, and so they
Speaker 3: just built the temples to signify that. Like it's not
Speaker 3: really a far stretch, it's not. I think I think
Speaker 3: the technology is lost and been taken or uh. It's
Speaker 3: just no longer around. So we're left clueless. Like the
Speaker 3: Egyptians made these pyramids and these how did they do it?
Speaker 3: I think they I think they stumbled upon it. And
Speaker 3: then the three smaller pyramids. I think they tried making
Speaker 3: the three smaller pyramids and they were trash and they
Speaker 3: were like and then the and then the people were like,
Speaker 3: you didn't make those large ones. He's like, yeah I did,
Speaker 3: We'll do it again, okay. And they tried making the
Speaker 3: three small ones.
Speaker 2: They were like were He was like, ship, bro, what
Speaker 2: are you talking about?
Speaker 3: Then there was an exodus out of there because everybody
Speaker 3: thought he was a liar.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know, No, dude, Dude makes sense, It
Speaker 2: really does. If I if I came across the pyramids
Speaker 2: and then other people came and they were like who
Speaker 2: made those? Be like me, I'm awesome. Of course I would.
Speaker 2: But you know, we have these remote viewers like Pop
Speaker 2: Praise and Ingo Swan and UH and Dame Jim McGonagall
Speaker 2: and dames and all these people who have remote remote
Speaker 2: viewed the moon Mars and they see that those same
Speaker 2: structural types, the same style, uh, and whether it's you know,
Speaker 2: a million b c or you know, a couple thousand
Speaker 2: years ago. We're seeing that these things are popping up
Speaker 2: and they all look the same. They're that pyramidal structure.
Speaker 2: And you know, we're taught in school that none of
Speaker 2: these cultures had contact with each other, yet they write
Speaker 2: pretty much identical origin stories just you know, insert cultural
Speaker 2: cultural difference.
Speaker 3: Here.
Speaker 2: We're seeing the same stories across the globe. And if
Speaker 2: you want to believe, or if you're open to believing
Speaker 2: what they remote viewed on Mars and the Moon, clearly
Speaker 2: there's something going on, and there seems to be this
Speaker 2: this thing that comes after the flood reteaches civilization, and
Speaker 2: I don't know, there's just so many similarities that you
Speaker 2: again going back to what's coincidence and what's not that
Speaker 2: is not coincidence.
Speaker 3: No, I think like the go Bleckie, I always mispronounced
Speaker 3: that gob Leglectly, there it is and.
Speaker 2: Are some of these strongest examples.
Speaker 3: And I think that depicts an event from about thirteen
Speaker 3: thousand years ago where there was an asteroid or some
Speaker 3: collision that really devastated the planet around the globe and
Speaker 3: caused floods, biblical floods and all this devastation and all
Speaker 3: these different societies tried to depict that event through their
Speaker 3: own style around the world. And if they didn't do
Speaker 3: it a high enough elevation, then it's underwater, under sand
Speaker 3: or something. So I think information has been lost quite
Speaker 3: a bit. Like I still cry for the Alexandria Library,
Speaker 3: you know, Oh, I'll never get over, never get over.
Speaker 2: But and again this is this is one of a
Speaker 2: huge problem, is the destroying of history.
Speaker 3: She who wins the wars writes the history.
Speaker 2: Books, right. But we that is like the Spaniards in
Speaker 2: South America, right, just.
Speaker 3: Absolutely just decimated conquista do literally decimating. They taught them
Speaker 3: Spanish though, mm.
Speaker 2: And but the craziest thing about that is they thought
Speaker 2: that they this this person was the return of that
Speaker 2: quetzal Quattal figure or that that figure that that.
Speaker 3: That the same Messiah type figure to be report.
Speaker 2: Comebackers, right, and and and and and they let their
Speaker 2: guard down.
Speaker 3: And or the handbags from the Mesopotamia, the Babylonian Sumerians in.
Speaker 2: The box always seen. And now now what is our
Speaker 2: president never more than a few feet away from the
Speaker 2: nuclear football? Oh yeah, which is stored in what which
Speaker 2: is storted? What? Uh lead a brief game. Yeah, briefcase
Speaker 2: very if it's lead, but yeah, they.
Speaker 3: Get a very place.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but a handbag.
Speaker 3: With a handcuff, yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And and the the the isotopic ratios that we've
Speaker 2: seen on Mars with the Zion what is it Zion?
Speaker 3: But the sid the.
Speaker 2: There's evidence of a nuclear war on Mars.
Speaker 3: Oh uh yeah, and there isn't there a debris within
Speaker 3: deserts that are glassy like that doesn't match any of
Speaker 3: the type of materials on Earth. So they figure it
Speaker 3: might have been blasted from the surface of Mars and
Speaker 3: then ended up here. Yes, I think I think it
Speaker 3: did have a catastrophic impact, and they've clearly probably Yeah,
Speaker 3: but even a catastrophic impact, a catastrophic impact of that
Speaker 3: magnitude will initiate a nuclear explosion. So it might not
Speaker 3: be waracally, but it will be a nuclear event from
Speaker 3: an impact just above the surface before it touches just right,
Speaker 3: right right.
Speaker 2: And that's where that's where I wanted to go next
Speaker 2: is obviously we talked about lost technology and how we
Speaker 2: might be rediscovering it. Uh, Plato in Atlantis, do you
Speaker 2: maybe now maybe because the chain of command or for Atlantis,
Speaker 2: I mean, it's like ten thousand years before it actually
Speaker 2: gets written down. So let's let's let's just call it
Speaker 2: Atlantis for lack of a better term. But do you
Speaker 2: believe that there there was an advanced civilization and it
Speaker 2: was lost due to some sort of global catastrophe and
Speaker 2: maybe that those people, those people might be what we
Speaker 2: could be seeing today went underground or whatever.
Speaker 3: I like the you know, the I want to believe
Speaker 3: poster back there with the with the picture of the UFO.
Speaker 3: That's that's a picture from Billy Meyer that he could
Speaker 3: have taken. Yeah, and I like billy Meyer's takes on
Speaker 3: on some stuff, even though it's very controversial. I'm a
Speaker 3: whacked out, heretical guy.
Speaker 2: Well he did have a handler, yeah, well a.
Speaker 3: Lot of people do. Well he only had one handler.
Speaker 3: But poor guy, this guy, Billy Meyer only had one arm. Everybody,
Speaker 3: if you didn't know that, oh.
Speaker 2: My god, the funniest.
Speaker 3: We gotta be quick here. But his take on the
Speaker 3: Atlantis and MoU m you that they were like twenty
Speaker 3: two million years ago, and that they were rivaling cities,
Speaker 3: and that there was another planet in between Mars and
Speaker 3: Jupiter called Melona, and that planet somehow got destroyed, and
Speaker 3: that's now the asteroid Belt. The people went from that
Speaker 3: planet to Mars and then to Earth and there was
Speaker 3: just catastrophe. Then they and then some guy named atlant
Speaker 3: like established a colony on Earth, so the whole Earth
Speaker 3: was called Atlantis. And then there was a society and
Speaker 3: a Maine city and the Yucatan Peninsula, and then the
Speaker 3: rivaling city of Atlantis and Moo were fighting and the
Speaker 3: people from Atlantis destroyed Moo with advanced weapons. The remaining
Speaker 3: people from Moo were so pissed off they grabbed a
Speaker 3: piece of the asteroid and hurled it towards Earth, making
Speaker 3: the crater in the Yucatan Peninsula now. And then people
Speaker 3: were devastated, civilizations were lost, and then here we are
Speaker 3: clueless again with all the pyramids. That's Billy Meyer's story.
Speaker 3: I think that's kind of cool. But other than that,
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I just think that's the way where the astroid strike
Speaker 2: that wiped out the dinosaurs.
Speaker 3: That was allegedly sixty five million years.
Speaker 2: Ago, where that might have been that impact.
Speaker 3: I thought that some people some people claim that was Yucatan,
Speaker 3: other people claim that's another area. Not sure, okay, but
Speaker 3: there's big old basins and.
Speaker 2: Creative candidates under the ocean.
Speaker 3: That's Billy Meyer's claim is that the Yucatan Peninsula was
Speaker 3: associated with the arrival between Atlantis and Moon.
Speaker 2: Well, that that is also kind of the story of
Speaker 2: Anki and m Litl, isn't it.
Speaker 3: I'm not as familiar with that, but I know the story,
Speaker 3: but I have to have a refreshment.
Speaker 2: I mean, and then and then we could even extrapolate
Speaker 2: that out further and say that I mean the Anaki,
Speaker 2: that that story the of the story of the Aak
Speaker 2: and and and different. I don't know. I do find
Speaker 2: it fascinating. What do you think of the work of
Speaker 2: like Graham Hancock and and and Randall Carlson and some
Speaker 2: of these other guys that have come come after them,
Speaker 2: Now that you know the Internet is allowed for different
Speaker 2: you know, alternative alternative theories to not be mainstream, but
Speaker 2: also not to.
Speaker 3: Be not mainstream alternative bullying too. You know, yes, about
Speaker 3: the people who bring this, but uh, because it.
Speaker 2: Calls into line with what you're doing and in a
Speaker 2: weird way difference, and it's it's been ostracized. Uh.
Speaker 3: I know about Graham Hancock's takes like on Egypt here
Speaker 3: and there. I never really read his books, so I
Speaker 3: can't give a good opinions. I know that he's like
Speaker 3: into the ancient civilisations type stuff, and people railroad him
Speaker 3: against that.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: With Carlson, I'm not as much into his takes. I've
Speaker 3: responded on a number of his posts that are just
Speaker 3: like completely like what bro huh like.
Speaker 2: Nah.
Speaker 3: So I'm not a supporter as much as Carlson as
Speaker 3: I am Handcock. But I can't really say I'm a
Speaker 3: real supporter of Handcock because I haven't really studied Demand's work.
Speaker 3: I just know he has controversial claims about ancient societies
Speaker 3: and I'm all about that, but I don't know the
Speaker 3: particulars of that because.
Speaker 2: I just well, I implore you. I think that it
Speaker 2: could really inform some of your work that you're doing,
Speaker 2: and I'd give it a look. What do you think about?
Speaker 2: What do you think about? Doctor Greer? Clearly something works
Speaker 2: right the thing.
Speaker 1: It?
Speaker 2: A lot of people report success with it.
Speaker 3: Now, I think a lot of people misidentify what they're
Speaker 3: seeing a lot of times where they want to see something.
Speaker 3: So you know, you have to put yourself and check
Speaker 3: your ego majorly with that. So that's why I'm like,
Speaker 3: I'm able to talk about this because this thing was
Speaker 3: over my house. You know, you get ninety over ninety
Speaker 3: percent of what you see is going to be explainable.
Speaker 3: It's just like, oh, oh okay. But when you have
Speaker 3: a true anomally and you witness something like that sticks
Speaker 3: with you and there is no explaining it, and then
Speaker 3: you're trying to write books and do everything you can
Speaker 3: to explain what you saw because it's just doesn't match
Speaker 3: with what what everybody accepts and agrees with. Now, so yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm not with consensus. I have a meme with the Galileo.
Speaker 3: I said, to all those who think that science is
Speaker 3: a consensus or who think the science is settled, I
Speaker 3: present you with Galileo's preserved middle finger. Yeah, and in
Speaker 3: a museum is the real middle finger of Galileo a
Speaker 3: skeletal finger. And I have that to me because yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: that's on display when they were moving his body that
Speaker 3: somebody like accidentally broke off his finger, so they just
Speaker 3: put it separate and they have it in like this
Speaker 3: this thing, and it's just like this this middle finger,
Speaker 3: just like it, it's his middle finger.
Speaker 2: To the church all they had to do is look
Speaker 2: through the telescope, and they would not.
Speaker 3: So I used that meme a lot for people who
Speaker 3: are like an appeal to tradition or appeal to authority.
Speaker 3: I just po, well, you know, so here's what Galileo
Speaker 3: says to you. Right, the guy that was on house arrests,
Speaker 3: they almost burned him at the steak. Yeah, they almost
Speaker 3: burned him at the steak. They did it with Giordano Bruno. Yeah,
Speaker 3: suggesting there was life on other planets. And they they
Speaker 3: gouged his eyes out, break his ripped his tongue out,
Speaker 3: and then burned him a lot. They didn't just go bay.
Speaker 2: This is where I go back to, I think. But
Speaker 2: here's the thing is, I think, you know, a lot
Speaker 2: of people want to give credit to like intelligence agencies
Speaker 2: being a new thing and the cover up originating from
Speaker 2: the modern day intelligence community and and uh O S
Speaker 2: S and you know, uh then you know comes the
Speaker 2: National Security Act, which you know then broadens the intelligence
Speaker 2: community and and creates several uh apparatuses. But I think
Speaker 2: the cover up really began with the Vatican Church. Oh god, yeah,
Speaker 2: with the with the not the Vatican Church, the Vaticant
Speaker 2: and the church, but the Vatican was the first intelligence agency.
Speaker 3: Yeah, with their catacombs of all of the works that
Speaker 3: are being hoarded and people are restricted to see. That
Speaker 3: must be nice. But the remember the Department of Department
Speaker 3: of Defense was originally called the Department of the Navy,
Speaker 3: and they switched over which now is Department of War,
Speaker 3: I guess, but they that was originally Department of the Navy.
Speaker 3: So all the exotic tech and the patents and all
Speaker 3: that stuff was all under the auspice of the Navy.
Speaker 3: Then that switched to call it something different, but I
Speaker 3: think it's still all might fall under the Navy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, where I'm going with that is, you know,
Speaker 2: I think religion started as a pretty probably probably something
Speaker 2: to give people hope and give them purpose and reason.
Speaker 2: I mean, we look around the world right now, there's
Speaker 2: so much distraction, right like there's there's there's TV shows
Speaker 2: that we could watch and get lost in and you know,
Speaker 2: you can go and and you know, we live pretty
Speaker 2: good lives, pretty full lives, and and that's it. There's
Speaker 2: they didn't have that, you know, they didn't have that.
Speaker 2: So their lives revolved around like their their their faith
Speaker 2: and their ambitions for you know, creating this world that
Speaker 2: we end up with now. So again, I think it
Speaker 2: started off pretty pure.
Speaker 3: I mean, remember, it didn't start up here because people
Speaker 3: were beaten into submission, forced to believe that. Then they
Speaker 3: kidnapped the people's kids, killed the parents, raised the kids
Speaker 3: with the religion, and then they had kids, so then
Speaker 3: they killed those parents raised them with it, so like uh,
Speaker 3: and now everybody just does it on their own. Yeah,
Speaker 3: So it's that. I don't think it started out very pure.
Speaker 3: The idea itself, that there's something larger and we're a
Speaker 3: part of that, a consciousness.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's that's what I mean.
Speaker 3: Yeah, But to me, religion is many times the commercialization
Speaker 3: of spirituality, which were supposed to be about nature and creation.
Speaker 2: But not even Jesus if you if you I'm not
Speaker 2: particularly anything, I know there's something I don't. I don't
Speaker 2: subscribe to any of the beliefs that are out there, uh,
Speaker 2: exactly the way that they're written. Because even the Bible
Speaker 2: was curated by men, you know, the Council of Nicea.
Speaker 2: They left out books like the the Book of Enoch,
Speaker 2: which I think, you know, is one of the most
Speaker 2: fascinating texts that there are Uh. And again I could
Speaker 2: go ahead do a lot of that, but I'll spare
Speaker 2: people the I'll spare it. I'll spare it for the day.
Speaker 2: Where was that going with? Uh?
Speaker 3: Just take take the good aspects of all the stuff
Speaker 3: and try to apply them to your life where its possible.
Speaker 2: I guess then that and that's yeah, okay, there you go.
Speaker 2: That's what I meant is I think that thought of
Speaker 2: something greater than ourselves, and you know, having those rules,
Speaker 2: not rules, but like the the Commandment ish stuff like
Speaker 2: guide don't guidelines to living a life that's not you're
Speaker 2: you're not hurting someone else, your you know, being the
Speaker 2: best self that you can be, and and giving to
Speaker 2: your you know, giving to society, and and not imposing
Speaker 2: your will on others exactly exactly. I think all that
Speaker 2: is well and good, But when you start because Jesus
Speaker 2: said that, that's where I was going with this. Jesus
Speaker 2: said that, I mean, we call them churches, which is
Speaker 2: really weird because Jesus said church was each You are
Speaker 2: the church, right, you are the church. The building that
Speaker 2: we go to that people go to isn't the church.
Speaker 2: You are the church, and you bring the church wherever
Speaker 2: you go, so this idea that the building is and
Speaker 2: like you know, mega mega churches a really run with this,
Speaker 2: this this idea and like you have to give money
Speaker 2: to the church, like the mega you know, and it's
Speaker 2: it's it's so clearly, so clearly pay for play.
Speaker 3: And your speechless.
Speaker 2: It makes me sadly, like the Jolos a devil. If
Speaker 2: if if there's a demon and it's on earth, Joel
Speaker 2: Ostein is not Joel Ostein. Who's the other one.
Speaker 3: Who's that guy with the wind of God?
Speaker 2: Yeah, the one who speaks to God like every he's
Speaker 2: like yeah, okay, okay, God, okay, okay okay, and then.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean. But the.
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, he looks like a demon. He's and then
Speaker 2: he's on that interview with the the the lady's interviewing
Speaker 2: him at his private jet hanger and she's like why, yeah,
Speaker 2: hey there, why do you need a private jet? Like
Speaker 2: and he dude, he's he starts like freaking out and
Speaker 2: like acting like a demon. Dude, Like he's like smiles, yeah,
Speaker 2: and he's like, God, God told me I needed this
Speaker 2: private jet. And it's like, dude, what the fuck.
Speaker 3: You my God?
Speaker 2: So but to get off that. What do you think
Speaker 2: the correlation between yes, yes, Copeland, Copeland, that's who it is. Copeland. Uh,
Speaker 2: that guy is a literal demon. Yeah, it's all about
Speaker 2: the tithe giving to the church. If you're not giving
Speaker 2: to the and if you if you, if you're not
Speaker 2: seeing results, it's because you haven't given enough, not just
Speaker 2: the church, but to me specifically, specifically because because Copeland
Speaker 2: is yeah, yeah, nonprofit religion, that's what.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Tax exempt, Yeah, tax exempt. Check off fourteen boxes and
Speaker 2: you're good. Did you know that the Hell's Angel is technically,
Speaker 2: uh is a nonprofit and it falls under that church category.
Speaker 2: They have meeting houses, they meet at once a month.
Speaker 2: They give them back to the community. Yep, give back
Speaker 2: to the community and they fall. Dude, they literally check
Speaker 2: off more boxes than the Catholic Church.
Speaker 3: So I don't know what to make of that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, government, government saw a way of kill me. Yeah,
Speaker 2: government saw a way of control because they needed a
Speaker 2: way to control religion. Even though it's against like there's
Speaker 2: a separation of church and state, right, they still needed
Speaker 2: a way to control religion. So well, we'll give you
Speaker 2: some tax breaks and oh you know, well we'll give
Speaker 2: nonprofit stat is, and you know you think God would
Speaker 2: let that happen, not.
Speaker 3: Without a fee? Nor so.
Speaker 2: Do you do you think that I'm going way left
Speaker 2: field here, I'm taking a hard right turn. Do you
Speaker 2: think that abductions occur?
Speaker 3: Dam? Yeah, I mean I do, given that there's so
Speaker 3: many people with so many stories. Uh, whether it be
Speaker 3: sleep paralysis or or what. All it takes is for
Speaker 3: one of them to be true and then it kind
Speaker 3: of makes it all real. So uh, it's like pretty
Speaker 3: good odds. I think if just one of them is
Speaker 3: real throughout all of human history, I think there's some
Speaker 3: pretty good, it's pretty good stories, but the rest of
Speaker 3: them probably probably fake as hell. There's a lot of
Speaker 3: but I think there's there's a lot of good stories, man,
Speaker 3: and I love listening to them all. I'm particular. I
Speaker 3: believe it, but you got you gotta take it on
Speaker 3: a case by case basis. Yeah, but in general, like,
Speaker 3: is it possible? Yeah? Is it happening? I don't know.
Speaker 3: Do I want it to happen? Probably not? But do
Speaker 3: I want it to be happening because it would mean
Speaker 3: it's real?
Speaker 2: Yeah. It's because again this this connotation of angels and demons, right,
Speaker 2: like Chris Bledsoe. I don't know if you're familiar with.
Speaker 3: Him only from what I've seen, like the controversy on
Speaker 3: X and stuff going back and forth. I just I
Speaker 3: don't know. But apparently he's a ball of light or
Speaker 3: something and prayer and like psionics and stuff.
Speaker 2: So essentially essentially what he does is CE five but
Speaker 2: with a religious overtone overtone.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, but he interprets like birds and planes and
Speaker 3: satellites and stuff sometimes, uh again, case by case basis everybody.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, I also don't think it's the secret that
Speaker 2: I in the government have been very interested in him.
Speaker 3: Well, and that's a red flag, isn't it.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's a red flag. I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't because I've met Chris. I know Chris. Do
Speaker 2: I agree with everything he says? No?
Speaker 3: Didn't he get pissed off because they miss characterized what
Speaker 3: he was saying about being overly religious or something. They
Speaker 3: expliced his argument. That was like the thing that I
Speaker 3: saw that I didn't pay attention to what the argument.
Speaker 2: He got kicked out of his church for church. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you got kicked out of his church? He was what
Speaker 2: do they call that when you get kicked.
Speaker 3: Outd He was like church excommunicated I or just that
Speaker 3: one chapter. I don't know what.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll have to I'll have to. Yeah, I'll have
Speaker 2: to look into that. But his church excommunicated him because
Speaker 2: of his claims of of what happened and the whole town.
Speaker 2: They almost took his kids away. I mean there's a
Speaker 2: lot of bad Yeah, there's a lot of bad stuff
Speaker 2: and like, and this is my point is his original
Speaker 2: sighting is pretty standard. It's the stuff that came after
Speaker 2: that kind of adds that religious like lady in white,
Speaker 2: you know, you can always go there, you can always
Speaker 2: go to the biblical connection, like right, So do I
Speaker 2: think that he might be like, does the phenomena also
Speaker 2: present itself in a way that you'd be okay with?
Speaker 2: I think that is probably something we might have to
Speaker 2: think about, like right for him some people, Yeah, for him,
Speaker 2: an angel might might be something he's willing to come
Speaker 2: face to face with where someone else can see, uh
Speaker 2: a being with big black eyes and not completely lose
Speaker 2: their mind.
Speaker 3: Right, So I think Bob, you know, and yeah, if
Speaker 3: you if you, if you can accept something, you're not
Speaker 3: gonna get scared you know. That's that's one thing, but uh,
Speaker 3: I think something of to that degree would be traumatic
Speaker 3: and somebody would automatically associated with the damon for sure.
Speaker 2: Right, and not to mention, there's cases like Virginia where
Speaker 2: the beings had they looked kind of like, oh, you
Speaker 2: can't see it, I moved it. They looked like the
Speaker 2: archetypal alien, but they had three protrusions on their head
Speaker 2: that kind of gave the illusion of horns. They had
Speaker 2: red eyes, and they smelled like ammonia. And what does
Speaker 2: ammonia smell like? Ammonia smells like sulfur? And what is
Speaker 2: what do people think when they smell fire? Devil brimmed stone? Right,
Speaker 2: this thing's got red eyes. The girls that saw it,
Speaker 2: they ran home told their mother that they saw a
Speaker 2: demon something red eyes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and.
Speaker 2: It has what looks like horns. It's given himself a
Speaker 2: bad look, right there, man, Right, No, no, because I
Speaker 2: think again we've conflated what a demon is in the.
Speaker 3: Days demonsing somebody who's not even a demon, even though
Speaker 3: they might look demon issue demon esque.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry though, but horns and glowing red eyes is
Speaker 2: not a good start.
Speaker 3: No, It's even if they're a nice guy here, nice
Speaker 3: being Uh, well, you look scary as hell.
Speaker 2: Man instinct would kick in, yeah, right, instinct to kick in,
Speaker 2: and you'd be a little bit apprehensive, which is totally
Speaker 2: you know, something something that we've had to deal with
Speaker 2: that's still in our DNA. It's in our DNA.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: You know, only a few people ago were we hunting
Speaker 2: hunter gatherers, you know, no electricity, and you know, anything
Speaker 2: that made noises in the nighttime became a serious issue
Speaker 2: because you know, it was a serious issue. So we
Speaker 2: have to That's that that that is still in our
Speaker 2: DNA somewhere. That's you know, that's wild.
Speaker 3: That's that's a whole the flight or the flight with
Speaker 3: big animals and stuff that I think an entirely different
Speaker 3: psychology than encountering a potential society or beings from someplace
Speaker 3: else that are much more advanced than you. Like you're
Speaker 3: caught off guard. You're at the top of the food chain,
Speaker 3: mental chain.
Speaker 1: Here.
Speaker 3: You encounter something that's not of this place or that
Speaker 3: you're familiar with. You're like, have no idea the capabilities.
Speaker 3: You don't know if you're gonna get eaten. You don't
Speaker 3: know they're you don't know anything. It just get real
Speaker 3: all of a sudden. But that that psychology is not
Speaker 3: that's not a known thing yet. Even even when like
Speaker 3: those this tribe and the Amazon that doesn't want to
Speaker 3: be contacted by the rest of the outside world. They
Speaker 3: like to them like we're we're the aliens to them,
Speaker 3: and they don't want any contact. They're scared as hell,
Speaker 3: even though we look somewhat similar, you know, but when
Speaker 3: you get into an advanced society, they don't even look
Speaker 3: like us. They just look like you would run or
Speaker 3: you would like, like, look like a demon.
Speaker 2: What are you gonna do?
Speaker 3: You're gonna flip up. It's just a natural psychological thing
Speaker 3: until you have more context over the course of generations, uh,
Speaker 3: like District nine or something, you know, Like right, it
Speaker 3: would take a long time to adapt and acclimate to
Speaker 3: something that shocking and different if they look just like
Speaker 3: even if they look just like this. But the more
Speaker 3: that they don't look like us, the harder it's gonna
Speaker 3: be to relate.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, right, No, absolutely we are. When we have
Speaker 2: problems with racial right differences in this in the world
Speaker 2: that we live in, imagine a whole other species, uh,
Speaker 2: coming into that like and.
Speaker 3: There was a show Alien Nation or something. Remember that.
Speaker 3: It's like there's a it's like a sci fi shows
Speaker 3: aliens that had to incorporate in society, and there was
Speaker 3: like a whole this is aliens around and they had
Speaker 3: to get jobs and stuff, just like everybody. But it's
Speaker 3: like having to incorporate an advanced society with Earth and
Speaker 3: like into the whole show. There's a whole show on that.
Speaker 2: It's probably interesting. Yeah, now that would be a good remake.
Speaker 2: So we're almost at the two hour marks. So that's right, Jason,
Speaker 2: after twenty years of working relentlessly and constant pushback, what
Speaker 2: is one message you want the listeners to take away
Speaker 2: about free energy, UFOs and the fight for truth?
Speaker 3: Try to discern for yourself how things operate by using
Speaker 3: what's around you and doing experiments to yourself. Try to
Speaker 3: get in the same mind state as the originators, like Newton, Galileo,
Speaker 3: drops something off a building, shine light through a prism,
Speaker 3: do what they did to see what they saw. Don't
Speaker 3: just trust the textbooks because they conflict many times of
Speaker 3: what's reality then what is being taught. So by experimenting
Speaker 3: and seeing how there are discrepancies, major then you're gonna say,
Speaker 3: wait a minute, I'm gonna have to go on my
Speaker 3: own and do it anyway, despite everybody else going against
Speaker 3: the grain and saying that it's impossible. Do it anyway,
Speaker 3: because even if you're wrong, you're gonna learn what not
Speaker 3: to do, and you're gonna help people understand what the
Speaker 3: right way is. So if something is real and you
Speaker 3: investigate it, you might discover something and create jobs. Free
Speaker 3: people give people more opportunities. Right, If something is not
Speaker 3: real and you don't try, nothing is lost, nothing is gained.
Speaker 3: But if something is it's real and you don't try,
Speaker 3: you fail at life and you lose everything and gain nothing.
Speaker 3: So just by trying, you can eliminate two whole realities.
Speaker 3: Just see things from a different point of view, listen
Speaker 3: to everybody, trust no one. Apply the information of the
Speaker 3: similarities to your own life and your own experiments, and
Speaker 3: form your own conclusions. Another thing, put videos on mute.
Speaker 3: Watch things for yourself. Don't have any of the influence
Speaker 3: of the captions or what they're saying. Just observe for
Speaker 3: yourself before you're influenced by what the explanations they give you.
Speaker 3: Look at things on mute like how things behave and
Speaker 3: then your brain will form something and then listen to
Speaker 3: people and then you be like, ah, that doesn't make sense.
Speaker 3: But if you're listening to people as you're watching it,
Speaker 3: your brain will adopt what they're saying and it will
Speaker 3: be harder to form your own opinion if you have
Speaker 3: a conflicting opinion. So just do it anyway, do things
Speaker 3: for yourself and try to look at things without laying
Speaker 3: which just interpret things with just pure thought and visuals
Speaker 3: that it'll help your wow thought process. And the more
Speaker 3: new things that you see, the more new things that
Speaker 3: you taste and smell, your brain synapses will help with
Speaker 3: the totality of thought in other areas. So uh, try
Speaker 3: new things, look at new things, and just do new
Speaker 3: stuff and then try to familiarize with that.
Speaker 2: So yeah, well i'd love to have you back on
Speaker 2: the show to I'd love you there. Yeah, I'd love
Speaker 2: to talk about this more. And you know, obviously we
Speaker 2: didn't get to, you know, dive deeply into the technologies
Speaker 2: and what you're actually working on.
Speaker 3: We can dive into that later. That's this is an introductory,
Speaker 3: introductory talk and stuff, but there's a lot more.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So so with your I mean with your work,
Speaker 2: what's next, What's what's next for you?
Speaker 3: What's next is to try and get funding in total
Speaker 3: to bring this magnetic technology to fruition so that we
Speaker 3: can apply it and commercialize it and get it to people.
Speaker 3: Open sourcing the information and giving it to people is
Speaker 3: not going to get the information and get devices to people.
Speaker 3: Just because you have the information doesn't mean you'll do
Speaker 3: anything with it or you can. It takes money, millions
Speaker 3: of dollars to achieve that. So by supporting and letting
Speaker 3: people know of the existence to the technology and stuff,
Speaker 3: just it helps. Just awareness. That's about all you can
Speaker 3: do right now, all right, and that's my goal. My
Speaker 3: goal is to create more awareness and that these things
Speaker 3: are possible and that they're being worked on, and we
Speaker 3: just need to get over the hurdle it.
Speaker 2: Is, can you give any like live demonstration of something.
Speaker 3: Yes, I've done that. I have demonstration units so that
Speaker 3: you can see these frictionless magnetic bearing effect and you
Speaker 3: can see the different dynamics and how the magnetic wave
Speaker 3: forms actually manifest and their relationship and all of this stuff.
Speaker 3: I have all these videos YouTube deleted sixteen years of that.
Speaker 3: They said it's all medical misinformation. But I salvaged it
Speaker 3: and re uploaded it to rumble and x and TikTok
Speaker 3: and other platforms. But there's a lot to show. There's
Speaker 3: real demonstrations to show, to qualify and substantiate what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Very very interesting, all right, And I will include all
Speaker 2: the links. Send me all your links privately, and I
Speaker 2: will include them in the description. Any link that you want,
Speaker 2: even if it's fun, you know, website that people can
Speaker 2: go to and help fund, you know, give you money
Speaker 2: to help help this if you want to get known.
Speaker 3: That well, that's that's the thing is only accredited investors
Speaker 3: can purchase shares of the company. So I do not
Speaker 3: accept any donations. No Barbering, no Patriot, none of that.
Speaker 3: In twenty years, I've never accepted one penny or a
Speaker 3: gift or anything. So that's why I'm selling these books,
Speaker 3: is because I'm earning my way through the compilation of
Speaker 3: all of these works, offering something that you can benefit from,
Speaker 3: rather than just asking for donations. So I don't believe
Speaker 3: in that.
Speaker 2: But you don't believe in Ashton. What do you actually?
Speaker 2: You know what I missed a question and this is
Speaker 2: one that I was. I need I need to ask, now, Okay,
Speaker 2: what do you think of Ashton Forbes and the grifts
Speaker 2: and perpetuation of of that story. And I mean, I
Speaker 2: believe at one point he was selling a free energy
Speaker 2: device attempting to attempting to I. I don't know, right,
Speaker 2: what's your take on that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have disagreed with him the totalities to everything
Speaker 3: that he has shared. He has refused to debate me
Speaker 3: for the last year. He says that all of my
Speaker 3: physics ideas are wrong.
Speaker 2: And desert and he wouldn't even look at me, and
Speaker 2: nobody wanted to talk to him, and it was.
Speaker 3: Just I'm not fond of his interpretations, okay, but he
Speaker 3: has not given me a chance. He has overlooked and
Speaker 3: completely dismissed the things that I have tried to share.
Speaker 3: And he's foamed at the mouth when I give my
Speaker 3: interpretations as to why the things that he says are
Speaker 3: not as accurate as they could be, or even accurate
Speaker 3: at all.
Speaker 2: So you do, he doesn't correct.
Speaker 3: But you And he even has shared some of the
Speaker 3: projects of the magnetic technology that I work on that
Speaker 3: the Russians have tried to duplicate and others. I knew
Speaker 3: Colonel Tom Bearden, I knew John Bedini, I knew the
Speaker 3: people who he is enamored with, and I got to
Speaker 3: meet with them. I worked with John Surly. He was
Speaker 3: my best friend. We worked together for over ten years.
Speaker 3: But when it comes to talking about these dynamics, he
Speaker 3: says that I pretty much don't have anything to offer,
Speaker 3: that my ideas are just so out there, it's a
Speaker 3: waste of my life, and and that's all he pretty much.
Speaker 3: And then he blocked me and then muted me, not
Speaker 3: necessarily in that order. Then he unblocked everybody, but I
Speaker 3: think he still has me muted. But the fact remains
Speaker 3: is that he has outright refused to discuss or have
Speaker 3: any interpretation on the things that I present. And all
Speaker 3: I've tried to do is have a cordial conversation like
Speaker 3: this with you, but it just he says he doesn't
Speaker 3: want to platform me. He just doesn't like me. There's
Speaker 3: no need for a debate. There's he'll only debate after
Speaker 3: he's proved right, and then he'll debate everybody and any
Speaker 3: excuse just to not have a talk.
Speaker 2: I don't think he's even worth your time, like you.
Speaker 3: Think the information then the time though.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but I think you're better than him
Speaker 2: in every way in this that you you don't perpetuate
Speaker 2: a video of real like men husbands.
Speaker 3: Understand I'm trying to prepare myself better or worse. But
Speaker 3: I think I don't think very different interpretation. That's what
Speaker 3: what I'm saying is, I don't think that you should
Speaker 3: be like like.
Speaker 2: He shouldn't be someone that you think highly of. I
Speaker 2: think I don't.
Speaker 3: He's a monstrous yes, and I've I've made that clear
Speaker 3: in many many posts, which is why he he bloss
Speaker 3: got this.
Speaker 2: Weird cult, following very weird culture a little too hard once.
Speaker 2: I once I started saying these kind of things because
Speaker 2: I actually had him on in the in the beginning,
Speaker 2: I had him on, and I I lost a good friend,
Speaker 2: an editor for Marvel Studios, because I used to work
Speaker 2: in that.
Speaker 3: Oh I remember this whole thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I I I posed the question to my
Speaker 2: editor friend, and I didn't tell him what it was about.
Speaker 2: I just posed a posed the question about could you
Speaker 2: make this video given this amount of time, with the
Speaker 2: budget with with with like, could you do it in
Speaker 2: the alloted time? And he he gave me an answer,
Speaker 2: but he there was a lot of nuance to the
Speaker 2: answer and like a lot of like variables that that
Speaker 2: that weren't being taken into account, and so it was
Speaker 2: an answer, but not a definitive one. I get. I
Speaker 2: give that to Ashton during the episode, and I say,
Speaker 2: I ran this across my friend. Uh, I fucking should
Speaker 2: have never said who it was. I should have just
Speaker 2: said a Marvel studio editor, but I said his name,
Speaker 2: and then it got back to him that it had
Speaker 2: to do with MH three seventy and that he won't
Speaker 2: return my calls.
Speaker 3: What I find interesting is, you know, he says that
Speaker 3: it's impossible to do, But I haven't seen ash ash
Speaker 3: one attempt himself to try and duplicate the airplane video,
Speaker 3: not with stick figures, not with any primitive Adobe Photoshop blender.
Speaker 3: You'd figure that, you know, you want to show how
Speaker 3: impossible it is. So here's my attempt number one. I
Speaker 3: just couldn't get it. This looks nothing like it nothing.
Speaker 3: I haven't seen any attempt unto himself to try and
Speaker 3: duplicated or replicate or any scientific method at all in
Speaker 3: that area.
Speaker 2: Right, So yeah, he's not a scientist. He's a content creer.
Speaker 3: No, he's a healthcare it consultant.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a Now he's a political expert.
Speaker 3: And he's a physics expert, and a ballistics expert, and
Speaker 3: a and a psych psychiatry expert.
Speaker 2: Now to astronomy and space and all of it, he's
Speaker 2: an expert. He's the smartest man in the world, literally,
Speaker 2: and he has Yeah, he's literally the smartest man in
Speaker 2: the in the world. And him and Professor Simon, who's
Speaker 2: not a real professor.
Speaker 3: Oh god, I'm sorry. Look, I think that guy. He
Speaker 3: he might have some interesting things to say, but could
Speaker 3: you comb your hair or something like as not he's dude,
Speaker 3: it's just not uh and brushes nice to look at
Speaker 3: something like. Yeah, he's just I haven't even I haven't
Speaker 3: even been able to I can listen to what he
Speaker 3: has to say. I just can't watch what he has
Speaker 3: to say because I but that's no offense. It is
Speaker 3: an offense. Whatever. I'm sorry, bro, damn it. You might
Speaker 3: have cool things to say.
Speaker 2: That yeah all right, Yeah, so dude, thank you so
Speaker 2: much for.
Speaker 3: Whatever. But yeah, thank you.
Speaker 2: You know, uh, Tyler, you have a face for radio,
Speaker 2: and I never I always thought it was a compliment
Speaker 2: when I was younger, and uh then I realized, I go,
Speaker 2: I remember saying it. I was in film school at
Speaker 2: the time. In school and I was like, you know,
Speaker 2: my mom always did tell me I had a face
Speaker 2: for radio. And everyone started laughing and I was like,
Speaker 2: why are you laughing? And they were like, oh, that's
Speaker 2: like a like a diss and I was like, wait
Speaker 2: what and uh, yeah, that I found out my mom
Speaker 2: dissed me every In every shot, by the way, in
Speaker 2: every shot that I've ever had on a podcast, she's
Speaker 2: always in the background somewhere. It's like a little easter
Speaker 2: egg to myself and now to anyone who's listening or watching.
Speaker 2: But yeah, she's always in the shot. She's always watching.
Speaker 2: To some degree, I got pictures of her everywhere. So yeah,
Speaker 2: he so our guests definitely just uh dropped out. Uh
Speaker 2: So I think that's going to wrap it up. Guys.
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