LOCKHEED MARTIN AEROSPACE TECH KYLE KNOPP "I was Not supposed to see that craft..."

0:00 Speaker 1: In the world of black projects in classified aerospace programs,

0:04 Speaker 1: few names carry more weight than Lockheed Martin Skunkworks. For decades,

0:10 Speaker 1: whistleblowers and insiders have pointed to this secretive division as

0:15 Speaker 1: one of the primary places where technology that defies conventional

0:20 Speaker 1: explanation may have been studied, reverse engineered, and in some

0:25 Speaker 1: cases flown. Ben Rich, the legendary former head of Skunk Works,

0:31 Speaker 1: once stood in front of a room and made a

0:33 Speaker 1: statement that still echoes throughout the UFO community to this day.

0:38 Speaker 1: We now have the technology to take et home, and

0:43 Speaker 1: even rumored to be on the Lockheed Skunkworks Wall was

0:47 Speaker 1: a succession of craft that ended with a large, silent

0:52 Speaker 1: triangular vehicle, a craft that would later be whispered about

0:56 Speaker 1: in the same breath as the legendary t R three

1:00 Speaker 1: b astra. Kyle Knopp is a current Space Force technician

1:04 Speaker 1: and radar system specialist. Before that, he served as an

1:08 Speaker 1: Air Force mechanic, and later he worked for Lockheed mart

1:11 Speaker 1: His expertise lies in navigation and communications on advanced aircraft systems,

1:16 Speaker 1: but on one particular evening into the early morning, while

1:20 Speaker 1: heading into work at Lockheed, Kyle witnessed something that he

1:25 Speaker 1: was never supposed to see. Oscillating at tree top level

1:30 Speaker 1: over the flight line on base hovered a large, silent

1:34 Speaker 1: triangular craft right near the facility, a craft that looked

1:38 Speaker 1: strikingly similar to the very technology rumored to exist within

1:43 Speaker 1: the blackest corners of the defense industry. This is one

1:47 Speaker 1: man's direct, first hand account, someone who spent years working

1:53 Speaker 1: on the very systems designed to detect, track, and understand

1:59 Speaker 1: the objects in our SI Guys, Today, on this episode

2:02 Speaker 1: of Total Disclosure, Kyle Knock steps forward with his story.

3:36 Speaker 1: Welcome back, everybody to Total Disclosure. My name is Tie

3:39 Speaker 1: and I'm the host of the show.

3:42 Speaker 2: Uh.

3:42 Speaker 1: Super excited to be back in the chair today. It's

3:46 Speaker 1: been I took about I took about a week off,

3:50 Speaker 1: a little bit more than a week actually, and before

3:54 Speaker 1: we get started today on the show, I definitely wanted

3:57 Speaker 1: to say this because in the last week and a

4:02 Speaker 1: half roughly I snapped out of like looking at anything

4:08 Speaker 1: on x OR. I just kind of plugged, took myself

4:12 Speaker 1: and unplugged, and I feel so much better and grounded

4:18 Speaker 1: and refreshed. So I really do implore people to do

4:24 Speaker 1: more of that. Once a month, once a week. I

4:28 Speaker 1: think with this topic UFOs and the phenomena and these

4:35 Speaker 1: very existential things. It's easy, it's so easy to get

4:40 Speaker 1: lost and wrapped up and feeling like you're on the

4:43 Speaker 1: cutting edge, feeling like you're talking about things that matter,

4:47 Speaker 1: that you forget that you're a human being and that

4:52 Speaker 1: this is not all that life is right, life is

4:56 Speaker 1: enjoying the experiences. Life is not about sitting on an

5:01 Speaker 1: X space. It's not whether we want to believe that

5:05 Speaker 1: or not. So that's my PSA for the day. But

5:08 Speaker 1: welcome back to total disclosure. I'm super happy to be

5:11 Speaker 1: here today. We have a very very special guest. I

5:16 Speaker 1: was going to do this as a new segment, pulled

5:19 Speaker 1: an audible because I thought that this was a little

5:22 Speaker 1: bit more important than just a thirty minute, you know,

5:27 Speaker 1: to the point setting. But today we have Kyle Knopp,

5:29 Speaker 1: who is a space and aerospace technician radar electronics mechanic.

5:36 Speaker 1: He was with the United States Space Force at Hurlbert Field, Florida,

5:41 Speaker 1: or still is a US Air Force veteran from twenty

5:45 Speaker 1: eight to twenty sixteen. He specialized in aircraft maintenance, communication, navigation,

5:52 Speaker 1: and radar systems. He later worked for Lockheed Martin before

5:56 Speaker 1: returning to government service with the Space Force, where he

6:00 Speaker 1: actually still maintains an active security clearance. Kyle It today

6:06 Speaker 1: is going to share his raw, first hand account of

6:10 Speaker 1: a personal sighting of an unidentified triangular craft that he

6:15 Speaker 1: saw on base. This is told straight from him, without

6:21 Speaker 1: too much speculation, too much filler. It's just his witness

6:25 Speaker 1: experience and what we can discern from it. As I've

6:29 Speaker 1: said on the show so many times before, the people

6:33 Speaker 1: that protect our country, the people that sign up sign

6:40 Speaker 1: their lives away and go risk it all. They literally

6:45 Speaker 1: put their life on the line for the freedom of

6:47 Speaker 1: this country. If they come back and they say, hey,

6:53 Speaker 1: I saw something and I just want to be heard,

6:56 Speaker 1: we owe it to them. We at the minimum, we

7:00 Speaker 1: owe it to them to hear them out. And unfortunately,

7:03 Speaker 1: this gentleman has been plagued by a lot of people

7:07 Speaker 1: in the community who've just turned their heads. And I ask,

7:12 Speaker 1: why is that he maintains an active security clearance, works

7:17 Speaker 1: for or worked for one of the companies that many

7:21 Speaker 1: people suggest has to do the most reverse engineering and

7:29 Speaker 1: you know, exploitation of material of unknown origin. Why is

7:34 Speaker 1: everybody looking away? So today I think we're going to

7:37 Speaker 1: discern a little bit more about why that may be.

7:41 Speaker 1: So with that, I introduce Kyle no US Air Force veteran.

7:48 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for your service. Let's kick it off,

7:59 Speaker 1: my friend, Thank you.

8:01 Speaker 3: That's quite the intro. Like I got big shoes, I gotta.

8:05 Speaker 1: Feel, yeah you do, Yep, huge shoes.

8:09 Speaker 4: I'll tell my version of the truth. That's all I

8:12 Speaker 4: can do. Open book, Like I always say, just ask

8:15 Speaker 4: questions if you have.

8:17 Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, that's what we're here to do. We're

8:19 Speaker 1: here to have a healthy discussion. Really, and I guess

8:24 Speaker 1: maybe let's break the ice. Who are beside from what

8:30 Speaker 1: I said, you know, brief stuff, what made you go

8:34 Speaker 1: into the military? Where are you from? Why'd you take

8:38 Speaker 1: that path? Are? Who is Kyle?

8:41 Speaker 3: Oh boy? I was born in Syracuse, New York, upstate

8:49 Speaker 3: New York. My whole life.

8:50 Speaker 4: I lived there until eighteen. I actually met my internet sweetheart.

8:56 Speaker 4: She lived in Idaho and I lived in New York.

8:59 Speaker 3: We met.

9:01 Speaker 4: Eventually I was like, I need to do something with

9:03 Speaker 4: my life. And I realized that like when she told

9:06 Speaker 4: me to do stuff, I did it well. And I

9:09 Speaker 4: was like, I need somebody to tell me to do things.

9:12 Speaker 4: And I know the military. So my dad did prior service.

9:15 Speaker 4: He was Air Force for twelve years. And my her

9:18 Speaker 4: father in law was also a prior service Air Force

9:21 Speaker 4: as an aircraft mechanic. And my dad did a NSA

9:25 Speaker 4: secret stuff for SR seventy one. He was the navigator

9:29 Speaker 4: person that told it where to go in Okinawa. So

9:31 Speaker 4: that's pretty cool. But so I had that like in

9:34 Speaker 4: my background, and I was like, Okay, well I need

9:36 Speaker 4: to get told what to do, so.

9:39 Speaker 3: Let me join the military.

9:41 Speaker 1: Some people in the.

9:43 Speaker 4: People were like, Kyle, you're not big and strong and

9:46 Speaker 4: tough enough for the Army Marines. Let's be real, Like

9:49 Speaker 4: I'm not gonna I did want to be a Navy seal,

9:52 Speaker 4: but people talking me out of that. I was like,

9:54 Speaker 4: I know I have the mental ability to just block

9:56 Speaker 4: stuff out, and they always said it's like ninety percent. Anyway,

10:00 Speaker 4: long story short, I end up joining the Air Force

10:04 Speaker 4: in two thousand and eight. It was January, and I

10:08 Speaker 4: went open electronics because I was always like that tinkerer.

10:11 Speaker 4: I messed with stuff, Like if stuff broke, I kind

10:14 Speaker 4: of want to like it's already broken, let me just

10:16 Speaker 4: check it out, see how it works.

10:17 Speaker 3: Can I fix it?

10:18 Speaker 4: So like anytime i'd ever go visit my parents, I

10:21 Speaker 4: literally I fixed their microwave, I fix their sliding door,

10:23 Speaker 4: I fix their lamp cords.

10:25 Speaker 3: I'd fix just because it like this broken your sword away?

10:27 Speaker 3: Why the hell not.

10:30 Speaker 4: That's what I learned about electricity because my PlayStation two

10:32 Speaker 4: is capacitor. I plugged that sucker in. I was like

10:36 Speaker 4: messing with it, unplugged it. I was like, oh, like

10:41 Speaker 4: a little kid. So I was like, oh, that's that's

10:43 Speaker 4: what a capacitor is. Okay, that's what discharge feels like.

10:46 Speaker 4: But then by the time I, like you get to eighteen,

10:49 Speaker 4: You're like, I messed with this enough. I feel comfortable

10:52 Speaker 4: with electronics. So I went literally open electronics, knowing because

10:56 Speaker 4: if you go with like a specific thing, they have

10:58 Speaker 4: to give you that career field if you know this

11:01 Speaker 4: or not. So like you can go in and like

11:03 Speaker 4: pre request certain things. Even you can go and get

11:05 Speaker 4: like a specific job if you're really needed. But I

11:09 Speaker 4: went open electronics, which usually means you need to hire

11:11 Speaker 4: asbab so you're like your testing score.

11:13 Speaker 1: Yeah.

11:14 Speaker 4: So then that way I know, no matter what the

11:16 Speaker 4: Air Force is gonna give me, it should be electronics related.

11:20 Speaker 4: So that's why I got Aircraft Mechanic and it was

11:23 Speaker 4: comm NAB, so the communications and navigations.

11:26 Speaker 3: So I went to Herbert Field.

11:27 Speaker 4: It was supposed to be just COMM NAB in general,

11:29 Speaker 4: which can go on any plane because they all have communication.

11:32 Speaker 1: And navigation navigation.

11:34 Speaker 4: Yeah, and then for some reason I went to the

11:37 Speaker 4: Air Force Special Operations Command ASSOC.

11:40 Speaker 3: So it's Herbert Field, Florida.

11:42 Speaker 4: And then they shredded me, which means they like recode

11:45 Speaker 4: you to only ASSOC planes. So I was stuck basically

11:49 Speaker 4: at Herbert Field for all eight years of my entire service.

11:53 Speaker 4: I was like, yeah, so I got to see everything

11:56 Speaker 4: on that base, Like I literally got to do like

11:58 Speaker 4: CTK or so your handing out the tools. I did

12:01 Speaker 4: Honor Guard because there's so many of us calm nav

12:04 Speaker 4: there's like of us that they just shred up or

12:07 Speaker 4: they just pawn us out to anything and everything on base.

12:12 Speaker 4: Oh so that's kind of blurry about, right, the six

12:18 Speaker 4: months that you do base Honor Guard nice and and

12:22 Speaker 4: then on the back there's the creed that you had

12:24 Speaker 4: to say to like earn it beautiful.

12:28 Speaker 3: It's humbling and really depressing.

12:30 Speaker 4: I'm sure in other areas it's great, but down where

12:33 Speaker 4: I am at, it's all retired people in like special forces,

12:37 Speaker 4: so everybody's dead.

12:38 Speaker 3: Yeah, Animoni is just a funeral. I'm like, this is

12:42 Speaker 3: hurts your soul after a while.

12:43 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, a little bit, a little bit, but so sorry, you're.

12:51 Speaker 2: So you're.

12:54 Speaker 1: You really like that? That that the electronics, you like

12:57 Speaker 1: the calms.

12:59 Speaker 3: Electronics has always been my thing?

13:01 Speaker 1: What now? What type? What? What was the most what?

13:06 Speaker 1: What was the aircraft that you were most familiar with

13:08 Speaker 1: or was there an aircraft yeah, that you were most

13:11 Speaker 1: familiar with?

13:11 Speaker 4: That I only when you go there, you get assigned

13:14 Speaker 4: to a specific aircraft. And mine was the MC one

13:17 Speaker 4: thirty h. So it's a C one thirty hybrid. So

13:20 Speaker 4: like I'm sure obviously most people notice one thirty is

13:22 Speaker 4: this big as cargo plane with the props.

13:24 Speaker 3: Mine had a long nose if you call it, like

13:27 Speaker 3: a duck nose or whatever.

13:28 Speaker 4: And in that is a bunch of radars. I don't

13:31 Speaker 4: know if I can go into detail, but you guys

13:32 Speaker 4: don't need to know all that away. But train following

13:35 Speaker 4: trade and avoidance is so it's made to fly like

13:38 Speaker 4: in the mountains and like drop stuff off the back

13:40 Speaker 4: drop people off the back this heavy radar stuff basically,

13:45 Speaker 4: so like I have a lot of like RF expertise

13:48 Speaker 4: training and that, like it's a really there's no other

13:51 Speaker 4: plane that really has.

13:52 Speaker 3: You have to look at it to be honest. It's

13:54 Speaker 3: a big long nose.

13:55 Speaker 4: It's the MC one thirty h I think they sadly

13:58 Speaker 4: retired it, and then they before that they switched to

14:01 Speaker 4: the J model.

14:01 Speaker 3: But I got out before all that.

14:04 Speaker 1: Right now you end up, so you do eight years

14:08 Speaker 1: at Herbert Field, how do you go from there to

14:16 Speaker 1: Space Force?

14:17 Speaker 4: And lockeed, well, I got out and then I took

14:22 Speaker 4: a break and then I was like, stop feeling sorry

14:26 Speaker 4: for yourself, get back into it. So I got my

14:31 Speaker 4: VA disability, let's be real whatever, and then I went

14:37 Speaker 4: tried to get back to this area because I know

14:39 Speaker 4: there's a lot of stuff here. But before that, I

14:41 Speaker 4: went to like Making Georgia, which is the greatest place

14:45 Speaker 4: because it's just the workplace there. From going from professional

14:49 Speaker 4: to not professional, it was like holy.

14:52 Speaker 5: So I went to Warner Robbins and I was doing

14:55 Speaker 5: like I don't even want to get them in trouble,

14:57 Speaker 5: but Delta planes and all them, like I'd drop a

15:00 Speaker 5: screw and I'd go to look for my screw that

15:03 Speaker 5: I dropped, and then I literally find fifteen other screws.

15:06 Speaker 1: Oh god.

15:07 Speaker 3: And then I'm like and you.

15:08 Speaker 4: Could see, like just looking around there would be like

15:10 Speaker 4: five or six people with like a really tight, clean

15:12 Speaker 4: looking toolbox and like they had to crap together. And

15:16 Speaker 4: then you just go talk to them and they're like, yeah,

15:18 Speaker 4: I'm prior. Maybe I'm prior air Force. I'm like, oh,

15:21 Speaker 4: that makes sense. You're the only ones that look like

15:23 Speaker 4: you know what you're doing here.

15:24 Speaker 1: Yeah.

15:24 Speaker 3: I had this vibe that like it was very very bad, something.

15:28 Speaker 1: Bad because you're you're supposed to account for every screw,

15:33 Speaker 1: every bolt, every nothing should go missing. Yeah right, am

15:38 Speaker 1: I right?

15:39 Speaker 3: If you find anything in sight, it's your responsibility to

15:41 Speaker 3: pick it up.

15:42 Speaker 1: Yes, so, and you're working on aircraft, so like one

15:47 Speaker 1: bolt missing could catastrophically.

15:50 Speaker 3: Things not being torqued right, things not being sealed right. Things.

15:53 Speaker 4: I'm like, I literally I went inside the things, sealed

15:55 Speaker 4: it with a torque wrench and did everything. And then

15:58 Speaker 4: QA came in there and was like I can't pass

16:00 Speaker 4: this because you got all this stuff in here. I'm like,

16:02 Speaker 4: I worked right here, and I looked around the area

16:05 Speaker 4: and I was like, just zip ties and everything everywhere.

16:07 Speaker 4: I'm like, I didn't do any of this. And this

16:10 Speaker 4: is inside. This is where you hook up the power

16:12 Speaker 4: to the aircraft. I'm doing the other side of it.

16:14 Speaker 4: So they just have loose stuff everywhere inside this plane

16:17 Speaker 4: just rattling around, and I'm.

16:19 Speaker 3: Going to take the blame for it.

16:21 Speaker 4: That's why I was like, I need to get out

16:22 Speaker 4: here immediately, like this is insane. So I was like,

16:26 Speaker 4: I need to find a better job. And that's when

16:28 Speaker 4: Lockey Martin was like, hey, yo, And that's how I

16:33 Speaker 4: came back to the same base that I was working on,

16:36 Speaker 4: dude all eight years from the airport. Yeah yeah, like,

16:39 Speaker 4: welcome back to Herbert Field.

16:42 Speaker 3: Inside to the flight.

16:43 Speaker 1: Line, welcome back.

16:45 Speaker 4: I came back like a year and a half later,

16:48 Speaker 4: and people were like what the eff are you doing

16:50 Speaker 4: here because I was in like clothing like this, and

16:52 Speaker 4: like like you can't be out here. I'm like, yeah,

16:55 Speaker 4: I can.

16:56 Speaker 1: You're bad just green now or whatever, a lanyard.

17:00 Speaker 3: You just have your line badgers. Other than that, like

17:02 Speaker 3: I'm wearing civilian.

17:02 Speaker 1: Clothes and that, well that did you now.

17:06 Speaker 3: Working on the exact same plane. Now you can't tell me.

17:11 Speaker 1: Did Did you have a security active security clearance? Is that?

17:18 Speaker 1: Do you that? Yeah? So that's for lock Locky, right, the.

17:22 Speaker 3: Flightline in general, you have to have a secret.

17:23 Speaker 1: Clearance, oh, for the flight line.

17:26 Speaker 4: Yeah, So I was working on the flight line planes.

17:29 Speaker 4: So I did multiple things for Lockey Martin and then

17:32 Speaker 4: so originally I was a simulator aircraft person. So I

17:36 Speaker 4: was literally flying like the MC one thirty the C

17:39 Speaker 4: one thirty is the CB twenty two's and it's like

17:43 Speaker 4: so they can train like how to load stuff and

17:45 Speaker 4: all like gunship stuff there, so they can train how

17:47 Speaker 4: to like shoot and everything. They all connect together and

17:49 Speaker 4: different locations and YadA.

17:51 Speaker 3: YadA YadA. I did that for a while. So like

17:53 Speaker 3: I did that night shift, that's actually when I saw

17:56 Speaker 3: my UFO.

17:57 Speaker 4: But if there's other like later on I did other

18:00 Speaker 4: parts of Lockheed where you did actual simulator or I

18:03 Speaker 4: go on into wired modifications for like Link sixteen, so

18:06 Speaker 4: we were putting in a system that talks to all

18:09 Speaker 4: the communication navigation basically and yeah, out so everybody can

18:12 Speaker 4: know what how much fuel, how much amal all that

18:15 Speaker 4: kind of stuff everybody has and they all communicate together.

18:18 Speaker 4: I did that for a while, and that's why I

18:20 Speaker 4: went to Okinawa for three months because I actually had

18:22 Speaker 4: to modify those planes over in Japan, which is pretty

18:25 Speaker 4: dope because I never got to go anywhere for the

18:26 Speaker 4: Air Force. And I was like, wait, there's my planes

18:29 Speaker 4: this whole time in Japan, and I was like, I

18:31 Speaker 4: knew that, but I never had the chance to go.

18:34 Speaker 3: I kind of forgot it. But it was so cool.

18:36 Speaker 4: So I'm working on literally the exact same plane, the

18:39 Speaker 4: exact same unit. So this is like year nine now

18:42 Speaker 4: at this point of on Herbert Field. And that's when

18:46 Speaker 4: I saw what I wasn't supposed to see.

18:48 Speaker 3: I guess right.

18:50 Speaker 4: I was coming into my simulator job that night. It

18:54 Speaker 4: was twelve oh one. I was like, pretty darn new.

18:56 Speaker 4: Unfortunately I don't remember the exact date.

18:58 Speaker 3: That's my biggest pet fee.

19:00 Speaker 1: Hold on, I'm not I can't let you get it.

19:03 Speaker 1: I can't let you get into this. I can't let

19:06 Speaker 1: you get into it yet.

19:07 Speaker 3: Go ahead.

19:09 Speaker 1: Have you ever now in your childhood there is there anything?

19:18 Speaker 3: Oh boy, is there is.

19:21 Speaker 1: There anything in your childhood that stands out now in

19:25 Speaker 1: hindsight looking back saying yes, maybe maybe everything wasn't as

19:33 Speaker 1: it seemed. Maybe it wasn't so cut and dry. Maybe

19:38 Speaker 1: maybe more there was more than meets the eye to

19:41 Speaker 1: what to the trajectory of my life?

19:44 Speaker 3: Why are you reading my brain for?

19:46 Speaker 1: Well? I tend to be able to do things like that.

19:50 Speaker 3: I tell people about this stuff because then they get

19:52 Speaker 3: woo woo and they don't want to believe you.

19:54 Speaker 1: That's okay.

19:55 Speaker 4: But I've always said frequency and consciousness is like controlling everything.

20:00 Speaker 4: And I've always had like a strong spiritual connection. I've

20:03 Speaker 4: always had like weird ghost things that I don't want

20:06 Speaker 4: to acknowledge that like just happened, Like listening to women's

20:10 Speaker 4: whisper to my kids on the baby monitor and like

20:13 Speaker 4: sue them to sleep and hear my kids giggle. It's

20:16 Speaker 4: like I can't ignore that if it's like at least

20:18 Speaker 4: once a week, you know what I mean.

20:21 Speaker 3: And then ghost ghostly that's a long time ago.

20:25 Speaker 4: Yeah, So, like I've always had like guardian angels, you know,

20:28 Speaker 4: Like my my literal godmother died like when I was young,

20:33 Speaker 4: like twelve or something, and I don't know, I just

20:36 Speaker 4: always had like a really strong spiritual connection with her.

20:39 Speaker 4: And if you understood my family. We had family reunions

20:41 Speaker 4: every year. We have this everybody from everywhere comes there

20:45 Speaker 4: and we have this massive like six palette high bondfire.

20:48 Speaker 4: We got the pools, we got like so like once

20:50 Speaker 4: you start to learn, and it's gonna sound crazy, but

20:52 Speaker 4: like bmbfires is like in ceremonies and we're all playing music,

20:56 Speaker 4: good vibes. It's like a beacon a phone focusing like

21:00 Speaker 4: energy and spiritualness and like just you know one with

21:05 Speaker 4: like literally we're all just there's never a fight.

21:07 Speaker 3: It was always one hundred percent good vibes.

21:10 Speaker 4: We're all like lower airing intuition with like beer and

21:12 Speaker 4: stuff to like, yeah, we're just last like Rolling Stones

21:17 Speaker 4: music and you know, playing volleyball and every sorts of

21:21 Speaker 4: good stuff.

21:23 Speaker 1: But no, you're not. You put You actually pointed this

21:26 Speaker 1: out in a conversation we had where it's almost like

21:30 Speaker 1: we forget, we forget that that communal experience that has

21:34 Speaker 1: been something that our ancestors and their ancestors. And they're like,

21:40 Speaker 1: there's a long This is why churches are pointy, right,

21:44 Speaker 1: this is why the cathedrals it seems like it's encapsulating.

21:49 Speaker 3: By your hands are in a praying.

21:53 Speaker 1: Right, because it's you're maybe.

21:55 Speaker 3: Up into an antenna to kind of radiate out to

21:59 Speaker 3: whatever you're.

22:00 Speaker 1: Kyle Bingo, So, did you ever think that your past

22:09 Speaker 1: led you to working on the exact type of stuff

22:15 Speaker 1: I don't want to that would allow you to ascertain

22:22 Speaker 1: more to what might have happened when you you know

22:26 Speaker 1: this gift that you may possess, or that we might

22:28 Speaker 1: all possess. Probably all possessed. But it's stronger, definitely stronger

22:33 Speaker 1: in some people. I think even guys like doctor Gary

22:35 Speaker 1: Nolan speculated that.

22:39 Speaker 5: Yeah, so I didn't tell you about this. That's creepy, dude.

22:42 Speaker 5: I don't even want to tell you because it's creepy.

22:45 Speaker 5: But whatever, I don't care. It's the truth.

22:48 Speaker 4: And I only ever had one weird experience like like

22:51 Speaker 4: this kind of weird experience I've had like spiritual stuff

22:54 Speaker 4: for a long time that I can verify it through

22:56 Speaker 4: other people.

22:57 Speaker 3: Like anyway, I'm just tell you.

23:00 Speaker 4: I was like twelve ish and I was just chilling

23:03 Speaker 4: on my bed and I was going to get up

23:05 Speaker 4: because I had to go pee. And as I was

23:07 Speaker 4: going to get up, there was a man sitting at

23:09 Speaker 4: the end of my bed that just came out of nowhere,

23:13 Speaker 4: but there was no fear of whatsoever. It was immediately like,

23:17 Speaker 4: what did you hike you doing here? And he was

23:18 Speaker 4: like talking to me, but I don't remember his mouth moving,

23:22 Speaker 4: and he was like saying stuff to me me and

23:25 Speaker 4: I was completely calm, completely like okay with it. But

23:29 Speaker 4: I was just like, hang on, dude, I have to

23:30 Speaker 4: go pee, like I remember saying that or maybe staying

23:33 Speaker 4: with my mind.

23:34 Speaker 3: And then I literally.

23:35 Speaker 4: Walked out of my room and walked to this short

23:37 Speaker 4: hallway and then we started to go pee in the bathroom.

23:40 Speaker 4: And about halfway through my piss, like the days, you know,

23:43 Speaker 4: how you have like a really vivid dream, sometimes you

23:45 Speaker 4: wake up and your brain just like hurts, and it's like, yeah,

23:49 Speaker 4: that started to like fade away, and mid pee, I'm

23:52 Speaker 4: like I was just fucking talking to somebody in my

23:54 Speaker 4: room that's not there.

23:55 Speaker 3: I was like, what the hell?

23:57 Speaker 4: So I tried to rush my piss as fast as possible,

24:00 Speaker 4: which you know you can't really do. You're like I

24:03 Speaker 4: had to, Like I ran downstairs and my parents were

24:05 Speaker 4: in the kitchen, and I told him.

24:07 Speaker 3: That I was like, I just talked to somebody upstairs,

24:09 Speaker 3: and I remem.

24:09 Speaker 4: Him and like they were like, what the hell are

24:11 Speaker 4: you talking about again? I was just dismissed. But then

24:14 Speaker 4: I this is the messed up part. So he was

24:17 Speaker 4: there was no like crazy features. It wasn't like he

24:20 Speaker 4: had like a top hat or anything. It was the

24:24 Speaker 4: grossest there's no way to say it without he looked

24:27 Speaker 4: like me.

24:27 Speaker 3: I think it was me.

24:30 Speaker 4: He had no hair, but he wasn't bald, and he

24:33 Speaker 4: had a prominent mustache, but it wasn't like impressive.

24:35 Speaker 3: That is what I remember.

24:36 Speaker 4: I don't remember glasses, but it was like my height,

24:41 Speaker 4: no threat whatsoever.

24:43 Speaker 3: And then he just wasn't there when I came back,

24:46 Speaker 3: and I.

24:46 Speaker 4: Was like, but I like I started to talk to

24:49 Speaker 4: AI about this, and it was like, if time is relevant,

24:53 Speaker 4: you could in the sense project yourself out and resonate

24:57 Speaker 4: so much that you resonate with your own frequency that

24:59 Speaker 4: you could you wouldn't be able to talk, but you

25:01 Speaker 4: could like sink your brains together and like kind of

25:05 Speaker 4: do that shit that it was explaining explains it way

25:07 Speaker 4: better than I could. But I was like, wait, don't

25:09 Speaker 4: tell me that shit. That's creepy.

25:11 Speaker 3: And I never told anybody about that because I was like,

25:13 Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure. So that was Oh, I'm sorry, I

25:16 Speaker 3: need to back up.

25:17 Speaker 4: The one thing I always said was I think it

25:18 Speaker 4: was an Italian guy, and I didn't know I was Italian.

25:23 Speaker 3: So this is spoiler alert for my family that doesn't

25:26 Speaker 3: know this. Oh god, Dad, my last name is Nap.

25:31 Speaker 4: My dad found out I think when I was thirty

25:33 Speaker 4: one's I'm thirty nine now that he was.

25:39 Speaker 3: An affair baby and my.

25:42 Speaker 4: Grandfather is actually from Italy and my last name should

25:45 Speaker 4: have been Dipiola.

25:47 Speaker 1: Oh wow.

25:49 Speaker 3: And he was like a.

25:50 Speaker 4: World War two like veteran that tour and it was

25:53 Speaker 4: like a band musician, and my grandma apparently saved a

25:56 Speaker 4: photo of him, and he's like the one of like

25:59 Speaker 4: six seven kids that happens to be the affair they

26:04 Speaker 4: found out through twenty three and me.

26:07 Speaker 3: So yeah, so I was like, wait, I'm Italian and

26:12 Speaker 3: not German at all.

26:14 Speaker 4: So the whole like me feeling like I saw an

26:17 Speaker 4: Italian guy before knowing I was Italian.

26:19 Speaker 1: Like kind of, that's so weird.

26:22 Speaker 3: It was like a premonition almost in the weird way.

26:24 Speaker 4: So when I found out I was Italian, I was like,

26:26 Speaker 4: why does that make sense?

26:29 Speaker 1: It almost validates it to a degree.

26:33 Speaker 3: So that was the thing. And I tried not to talk.

26:35 Speaker 1: How could I by that right? And you said, you

26:38 Speaker 1: said you weren't speaking.

26:40 Speaker 3: I've never seen anybody like a person like that again

26:43 Speaker 3: or anything like.

26:43 Speaker 4: That, you know, kind of.

26:46 Speaker 1: You said you felt comfortable in the presence of this.

26:49 Speaker 4: Completely comfortable, like being in the not say, the presence

26:52 Speaker 4: of God, but just like your whole body is warm,

26:55 Speaker 4: like oh, there's no scare, no fear. I just like

26:58 Speaker 4: you almost don't want to leave it, like you can

27:00 Speaker 4: must feel the bubble of warmth, like just like a resonance.

27:03 Speaker 3: I don't know how to.

27:04 Speaker 4: Else, just say it, like, but I could feel like

27:08 Speaker 4: when you have those vivid dreams, that's what it felt like,

27:10 Speaker 4: like the brain was wearing off.

27:13 Speaker 1: What if you did talk to yourself.

27:15 Speaker 3: That's what I'm like.

27:16 Speaker 4: So maybe it was when I saw this UFO, it

27:19 Speaker 4: wasn't so overwhelming because I've already had one weird ass experience.

27:24 Speaker 1: I would I would, I would probably, I'd probably wager

27:27 Speaker 1: that you've had more I've had experiences than you. But

27:31 Speaker 1: then but but I'm saying you've probably had more experiences

27:34 Speaker 1: than you even know.

27:35 Speaker 4: About My father always has a dream after every single

27:40 Speaker 4: person in the family dies, like the night after like

27:43 Speaker 4: so like then they'll come to him and be like

27:44 Speaker 4: pass over, like you know, tell me we're okay kind

27:47 Speaker 4: of stuff. So like I really that kind of stuff.

27:50 Speaker 4: Like my dad, like I said, is a former NSA

27:53 Speaker 4: Air Force dude, he's literally postmaster for a long time.

27:55 Speaker 4: Like one of the most credible people in the world.

27:57 Speaker 4: You wouldn't just make something up. He doesn't like talking

28:00 Speaker 4: about it, obviously, because you know how it looks to

28:02 Speaker 4: people who but people who have these experiences, they're like, absolutely,

28:05 Speaker 4: I understand exactly what you're talking about. One of the

28:08 Speaker 4: craziest stories I'll tell you a little bit about him,

28:11 Speaker 4: but he was driving and one of his best friends

28:13 Speaker 4: who died he appeared right next to him, and he

28:16 Speaker 4: was like, his name was Buddy.

28:17 Speaker 3: He's like, Buddy, what the hell are you doing here?

28:19 Speaker 3: You shouldn't be alive, you're dead, blah blah blah blah.

28:22 Speaker 3: And I don't know if he was talking back to him.

28:23 Speaker 3: I'm sure you'd have to hear a story from him better.

28:25 Speaker 4: But long story short is he swerved off because he

28:28 Speaker 4: was talking to this guy into the left lane and

28:31 Speaker 4: thank god he did because there was a semi already

28:33 Speaker 4: coming and the wrong side of the lane on the thing,

28:36 Speaker 4: so he accidentally averted killing himself by talking to this ghost.

28:42 Speaker 4: And then right after that he served back and the

28:45 Speaker 4: guy was gone. And I was like, Dad, do you

28:46 Speaker 4: realize he saved your life? And he was like kind

28:50 Speaker 4: of hit him and he was like at teary eyed,

28:52 Speaker 4: and he was like, oh, you should have never thought

28:53 Speaker 4: about it like that.

28:54 Speaker 3: I was like, how did you never think about that?

28:58 Speaker 3: His name was Buddy and he saved his life.

29:00 Speaker 4: I was like, come on now, I've always had like

29:02 Speaker 4: this experiences like this, like I got one by my

29:06 Speaker 4: cousin too.

29:07 Speaker 1: And your dad is in Your dad was an NSA.

29:11 Speaker 4: Well it was air Force, so he did that Locky

29:13 Speaker 4: air not Locky did the SR seventy one stuff, which

29:15 Speaker 4: Locky Martin makes. And part of that he had an

29:18 Speaker 4: NSA cup. And I was like, Dad, how the fuck

29:20 Speaker 4: were you in the NSA? Sorry for sorry, and uh

29:24 Speaker 4: fuck telling me that part of that you work for

29:27 Speaker 4: the NSA, you know, like multi division, like you.

29:30 Speaker 1: Know, yeah, well well yeah, because they.

29:33 Speaker 3: Worked for so Calm, So like if I had a

29:34 Speaker 3: so com cup you'd.

29:35 Speaker 1: Be like, what the Yeah, well, I mean they you

29:39 Speaker 1: guys always you get put out on loan or two right.

29:42 Speaker 3: Yeah, I all I know as he was in Japan,

29:43 Speaker 3: could be in.

29:44 Speaker 1: The Air Force and go do a mission, you know,

29:47 Speaker 1: go do a job with the NSA.

29:49 Speaker 3: Yeah, you're whoever's the local thing.

29:52 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so that makes total sense. So but your dad,

29:56 Speaker 1: your dad was in these programs as well. These had

30:00 Speaker 1: a clearance.

30:01 Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely you have to. I think you had top

30:03 Speaker 3: secret because.

30:04 Speaker 1: Moral one, the moral of what I'm trying to say

30:09 Speaker 1: here is everybody in the the UFO world, they're begging,

30:18 Speaker 1: begging for someone from inside one of these aerospace companies

30:26 Speaker 1: from wherever to come out like we we want so

30:33 Speaker 1: desperately these whistle quote unquote whistleblowers. But it's almost like

30:40 Speaker 1: it's almost awakening to me to realize that people in Lockheed,

30:48 Speaker 1: people in the Space Force, people in the Air Force,

30:52 Speaker 1: they are having these experiences just all the same as civilians,

30:58 Speaker 1: and it's just they're in a situation where they don't

31:02 Speaker 1: feel that they can report it to anyone without losing

31:06 Speaker 1: what they've gained or built.

31:08 Speaker 3: You're gonna lose your entire pension you're gonna lose your credibility.

31:10 Speaker 4: You're gonna and all of us are busy just working,

31:14 Speaker 4: so we don't have a social media. So like if

31:17 Speaker 4: we tried to even say anything, the top dog people

31:19 Speaker 4: are gonna see it and squash it and fire us

31:22 Speaker 4: before you could ever even say, hey, what's this about?

31:26 Speaker 1: Right, So this creates that silo, this compartmentalization of information,

31:32 Speaker 1: even to the degree of not just like top secret secret,

31:36 Speaker 1: like that kind of compartmentalization, but compartmentalization of like even

31:41 Speaker 1: what someone will say to their superiors in terms of

31:45 Speaker 1: something they just observed on base that like if you

31:50 Speaker 1: saw a Russian MiG, you'd fucking report it, right, Yeah,

31:56 Speaker 1: you'd report it. But you see a UFO and you're like,

32:00 Speaker 1: I can't say shit.

32:02 Speaker 3: I feared who was gonna hurt me?

32:04 Speaker 1: That's pretty Yes, that is a terrible, terrible policy. So

32:10 Speaker 1: tell me about your cousin, so your dad I would love.

32:12 Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's a crazy fucking story.

32:15 Speaker 4: So my cousin she got like a new house or

32:18 Speaker 4: a new rental, and I guess, long story short, there

32:21 Speaker 4: was two people breaking in through her basement and they

32:24 Speaker 4: were coming up through the basement and they saw an

32:28 Speaker 4: old woman at the top of the stairs and it

32:30 Speaker 4: scared him away and they ran back out, and then

32:33 Speaker 4: the police caught them, and the police asked him why

32:36 Speaker 4: they didn't go into the house and like ransack it,

32:39 Speaker 4: and they said the old woman on top of the

32:41 Speaker 4: scare stars scared the shit out of them. And then

32:44 Speaker 4: they came and asked my cousin, Hey, who's the old

32:46 Speaker 4: lady in the house, and they're like, there's no old

32:48 Speaker 4: lady in the house.

32:49 Speaker 3: It's just me and my husband.

32:51 Speaker 4: And then they realized that I think there was like

32:53 Speaker 4: an old lady that died in the house, and literally

32:55 Speaker 4: essentially they I talked to AI again and it was

32:57 Speaker 4: like it projected itself out to in the most you know,

33:01 Speaker 4: non threatening way at the same time.

33:02 Speaker 3: But like scared. I don't know, you know, use your imagination.

33:05 Speaker 3: It scared the people away.

33:06 Speaker 4: It worked, So I was like, yikes, I just I've

33:09 Speaker 4: always had like this isn't my story, but it's somebody

33:12 Speaker 4: family related. Like another one was my same cousin on

33:14 Speaker 4: that family. He weirdly texts everybody like everybody'd be safe.

33:18 Speaker 4: I just feel like something's wrong today. And they went

33:21 Speaker 4: to the State fair and like that year at the

33:23 Speaker 4: State Fair there were like two people that died from

33:25 Speaker 4: like a tornado, and.

33:26 Speaker 3: The tornadoes don't happen in New York, you know what

33:29 Speaker 3: I mean.

33:29 Speaker 4: So it was like we've always had this weird premonition

33:33 Speaker 4: spiritual connection. So I'm like, I don't talk about it,

33:36 Speaker 4: but like anybody that's exposed to it very much knows

33:39 Speaker 4: about it.

33:40 Speaker 3: They know it's real that like you have syncrenosities, is

33:44 Speaker 3: what it is.

33:45 Speaker 4: Once you start to appreciate the world and harmonize the world,

33:49 Speaker 4: you'll start to get messages back.

33:50 Speaker 3: Essentially.

33:51 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, I could not agree more. Okay, so I

34:01 Speaker 1: want you. I want you to bring me back to

34:06 Speaker 1: Herbert Field. We did this already the other night, but

34:13 Speaker 1: this is the one that counts, right. I want to

34:17 Speaker 1: be able to close my eyes, oh boy, And I

34:21 Speaker 1: want to be able to be right next to you

34:23 Speaker 1: in the car. No detail too small. Who are you

34:29 Speaker 1: working for at the time? Start there, Walk me through

34:34 Speaker 1: exactly from you getting up for work to the moment

34:39 Speaker 1: of it happens.

34:42 Speaker 3: All right, Well, I said before.

34:45 Speaker 4: The first thing I remember walking out my door, it

34:48 Speaker 4: was just like one of those pitch black nights, like

34:50 Speaker 4: super dark, Like I literally I was like, holy shit,

34:52 Speaker 4: is really dark out. And I was running late because

34:55 Speaker 4: I'm a dirt bag, and I'm like, I need to

34:59 Speaker 4: hurry up. So I finally got I think I was

35:03 Speaker 4: living in Navarre, Florida, and I was going to Herbert Field.

35:06 Speaker 4: So I worked for Lockheed Martin at that simulator technician

35:09 Speaker 4: place that I was talking about. So it literally is

35:12 Speaker 4: right next to where I used to work. So I

35:14 Speaker 4: worked at the fifteenth AMU, which is aircraft maintenance unit,

35:19 Speaker 4: and right around that bend of the flight line, Like literally,

35:21 Speaker 4: if you look at the thing, there's a flight line

35:23 Speaker 4: coming down here. And I saw the UFO right here,

35:27 Speaker 4: and where I work is literally like right up here.

35:31 Speaker 4: So I worked right here for the longest time never

35:33 Speaker 4: saw anything. So when I saw it right here, I'm like,

35:36 Speaker 4: was this intentional? So I'm coming around this part of

35:40 Speaker 4: the road and I see three plasma. I hate saying

35:46 Speaker 4: plasma because, like I have to tell you why. It

35:48 Speaker 4: looked like three burnt out orangish, like a hint of

35:52 Speaker 4: purple lights, but not really like projecting light. It was

35:56 Speaker 4: just a dim afterglow. That's why I say burnt out

35:58 Speaker 4: street lights.

35:59 Speaker 1: Hold on it was.

36:00 Speaker 4: A discharge, and I could explain it all, but I'm

36:03 Speaker 4: gonna give you my first interpretation of what I saw,

36:06 Speaker 4: you know what I mean?

36:07 Speaker 1: And Wow, what alerted you to that this thing was there?

36:11 Speaker 3: Good point?

36:12 Speaker 4: Good point? Yeah, I almost missed that. I was driving

36:16 Speaker 4: and I was already one minute late. That's why I

36:19 Speaker 4: know exactly. It was at twelve oh one, and I

36:22 Speaker 4: just literally was coming around so like I said, that

36:25 Speaker 4: bend of that spot and I had it felt like

36:28 Speaker 4: somebody flicked right there, and it like but inside my

36:32 Speaker 4: head outward and I was like, what the fuck is that?

36:36 Speaker 4: So I looked up and that's when I saw that

36:38 Speaker 4: triangle in each corner, not touching the corner, but close

36:43 Speaker 4: to the corner was an orangish plasma discharge glow and

36:48 Speaker 4: the triangle itself was darker than the night sky. That's

36:52 Speaker 4: how I knew there was something there because you could

36:56 Speaker 4: see like the glow was inside each corner but not

36:59 Speaker 4: touch the car. So like the tip was facing the

37:04 Speaker 4: flight line, so like the curve, Like I said, this

37:06 Speaker 4: tip was you know that way, And I was like,

37:10 Speaker 4: why would it sit here? This is such a stupid spot,

37:12 Speaker 4: Like any plane coming and going is going to hit it,

37:14 Speaker 4: like cars going in and out are going to see it.

37:17 Speaker 4: I don't know if it just thought its visibility was

37:20 Speaker 4: greater than what it was. But I drove directly underneath it,

37:23 Speaker 4: which is why I'm thinking maybe I could see it better.

37:26 Speaker 4: So I never lost sight of those three plasma glows

37:28 Speaker 4: the entire time.

37:29 Speaker 3: So it was literally super super super.

37:33 Speaker 5: Slowly just turning like but it never moved left, right,

37:38 Speaker 5: up or down.

37:39 Speaker 4: It was just turning its tip. That's what creeped me

37:41 Speaker 4: the f out. So before that, I was like, Kyle,

37:44 Speaker 4: put your windows down. I said that out loud to myself,

37:47 Speaker 4: and I literally put my window down. I heard no bugs.

37:50 Speaker 4: So like right next to me on that bend of

37:53 Speaker 4: the road on the right side, there's woods and there's

37:56 Speaker 4: usually like birds and crickets and stuff that are chirping,

37:59 Speaker 4: and there was nothing. I don't know if it was

38:01 Speaker 4: just because the night was one of those extra creepy

38:03 Speaker 4: dark nights. Like I said, I don't know if the

38:05 Speaker 4: military knew it was going to be one of those

38:06 Speaker 4: nights and they purposely waited to do it.

38:09 Speaker 3: But it seemed like the UFO was.

38:12 Speaker 4: Sound dampening because all I could hear was the gravel

38:15 Speaker 4: crunching from my tires, and that's what gave me the chills.

38:19 Speaker 4: So I'm watching it the whole time, and it's slowly turning,

38:22 Speaker 4: and I could see that it was a perfect equilateral triangle.

38:25 Speaker 4: I couldn't see up above it at all. I couldn't

38:28 Speaker 4: see any antennas, there was no thrusters, no like discharge,

38:32 Speaker 4: just those the glow and then like darkness of night's sky.

38:36 Speaker 4: It did seem like it was trying to project the

38:40 Speaker 4: stars through it, which I explained in some of my

38:43 Speaker 4: tech but videos. But yeah, it looked like it was

38:47 Speaker 4: trying to but since I was directly underneath it, maybe

38:49 Speaker 4: it didn't get it right, which is why.

38:53 Speaker 3: I could see it.

38:54 Speaker 4: So then I was going around that bend and I

38:56 Speaker 4: never lost sight of those glows, like I said, And

38:59 Speaker 4: then I was straightened out just to make sure I

39:01 Speaker 4: was gonna crash, and looked forward and I looked back

39:05 Speaker 4: and it was instantly gone. There's no streak, no sound

39:08 Speaker 4: or nothing, And I was like.

39:10 Speaker 3: What the fuck did I just see?

39:12 Speaker 4: And I was literally like six seconds away from work

39:14 Speaker 4: at this point, Like, so I'm very much on base,

39:17 Speaker 4: literally about to pull into my work and I'm already

39:19 Speaker 4: one minute late. And like I said before, I was

39:22 Speaker 4: I think I was like twenty seven, and everybody I'm

39:24 Speaker 4: working with is like fifty sixty years old.

39:27 Speaker 3: I'm already late, Like they're not gonna want to hear then.

39:30 Speaker 4: I just saw it by the fucking sky, So I

39:34 Speaker 4: didn't know what to do. I like I remember, I

39:36 Speaker 4: sent it like a cryptic email to myself and my

39:38 Speaker 4: lockeyed Martin email, just like a timestamp or something like that.

39:42 Speaker 4: Of course, I don't have access to that email anymore.

39:44 Speaker 4: Once you don't work for them, you lose it immediately,

39:45 Speaker 4: and I'm like, I wish I would have wrote it

39:48 Speaker 4: down somewhere.

39:50 Speaker 1: Yeah.

39:50 Speaker 4: The only thing I do remember, and I hate bringing

39:52 Speaker 4: it up, is because it was like a tragic event.

39:54 Speaker 4: But like I remember, the Las Vegas shooting happened sometime

39:58 Speaker 4: around then, so I think that was like October because

40:01 Speaker 4: I was in my supervisor's office a lot, and I

40:04 Speaker 4: had to be like, you know, more trusted back then

40:07 Speaker 4: to be there, so I can like I can scale

40:09 Speaker 4: it out like.

40:10 Speaker 3: That way wise. Yeah, yeah, I don't know the exact date,

40:15 Speaker 3: but I did and eventually end up reporting this all day.

40:18 Speaker 1: Aero right, and and we'll definitely get there. When you

40:24 Speaker 1: when you have this what you describe as like a

40:30 Speaker 1: flick coming from inside your head, I forgot to tell

40:35 Speaker 1: you you're right right when when when you do then

40:41 Speaker 1: you see the craft. Is there any emotional reaction? Is

40:46 Speaker 1: there any because like, for instance, you talked about the

40:50 Speaker 1: gentleman at the bed, whether it was you or not,

40:52 Speaker 1: you had this this wash of like no fear, nothing

40:57 Speaker 1: any did anything like that when you made contact eye

41:02 Speaker 1: contact or after the the flick in the brain to

41:08 Speaker 1: look up like is there anything that you can remember?

41:13 Speaker 3: So I forgot to.

41:14 Speaker 4: Tell you because I mentioned to you yesterday. It felt

41:17 Speaker 4: like you know how you're in your kid. You take

41:20 Speaker 4: a balloon and you rub it on your head, you

41:22 Speaker 4: get that static discharge.

41:23 Speaker 3: Yes, slowly pull it away.

41:25 Speaker 4: You can kind of feel literally the electrical zapp especially

41:28 Speaker 4: I don't know if people are familiar with, like with

41:30 Speaker 4: short hair, but you can really feel like that's what

41:33 Speaker 4: it felt like, like concentrated like that. That's why it

41:35 Speaker 4: felt like a flick, but like a flick and then

41:38 Speaker 4: a drag of a balloon. So it literally felt like

41:40 Speaker 4: my brain was either telling me to look up or

41:44 Speaker 4: something in my brain was like projecting out to that.

41:47 Speaker 3: I don't know that sensation was from the inside out.

41:50 Speaker 3: That's why I was like, what the fuck was that?

41:53 Speaker 1: Did you have any fear?

41:55 Speaker 3: Yes? That was That was the other part I was

41:57 Speaker 3: gonna say, though.

41:57 Speaker 4: So when I saw it, I immediately was thinking I

41:59 Speaker 4: should be seeing this.

42:01 Speaker 3: I shouldn't be seeing whatever this is.

42:02 Speaker 4: That's why I didn't pull over. I just kept maintaining

42:05 Speaker 4: the exact same speed. And I was just doing that

42:07 Speaker 4: the entire time because I was like, whatever I'm seeing,

42:11 Speaker 4: I don't think I'm supposed to be seeing. And if

42:13 Speaker 4: they wanted me to see it, they'll let me know,

42:14 Speaker 4: kind of thing like, I don't know. I just felt

42:16 Speaker 4: like I'm gonna get killed if I say anything like

42:20 Speaker 4: so I just maintained my speed and kept watching it.

42:23 Speaker 4: But now I always tell myself, like, if I ever

42:25 Speaker 4: see it again, I'm gonna stop and.

42:28 Speaker 3: Shoot a gun at it or something.

42:30 Speaker 2: You know.

42:30 Speaker 1: I don't a gun at it, my god, Well.

42:35 Speaker 3: It's electrical, magnetic.

42:38 Speaker 1: Understandable discharging your weapon on it, and that's.

42:41 Speaker 3: Somebody will show up, and then I'll get questioned and

42:44 Speaker 3: then answers right.

42:45 Speaker 1: Probably not yeah, unless you end up at Guantanmo. But

42:53 Speaker 1: what a lot of people claim that there is a

42:58 Speaker 1: craft in our arsenal that you know from guys like

43:05 Speaker 1: you know, speaking of Lockeed ben Rich famously you know,

43:09 Speaker 1: made the comment that we have the technology to take

43:14 Speaker 1: E T home. Other people like Tom DeLong, who I

43:20 Speaker 1: know you have a history with, which is a really

43:25 Speaker 1: fascinating which we'll i'll also get into, they've speculated about

43:31 Speaker 1: this craft called t R three B, the Astra or

43:35 Speaker 1: dark Star or whatever you want to call it. Given

43:40 Speaker 1: your background in aviation, in secret, in in that that world,

43:53 Speaker 1: would you call this that craft whatever it is, t

43:57 Speaker 1: R three B, whatever was it that that's been depicted

44:01 Speaker 1: by several other many other people. And do you think

44:04 Speaker 1: it was human or do you think it was not human?

44:08 Speaker 3: So that night I ended up looking it all up.

44:13 Speaker 4: I didn't when I was if I would have like

44:16 Speaker 4: made it up in my brain, I would have made

44:18 Speaker 4: a saucer, like I know for a fact, because I

44:20 Speaker 4: didn't know that triangle UFOs was a thing, Like I

44:24 Speaker 4: know that sounds probably unbelievable, but like I didn't, I

44:27 Speaker 4: don't follow. I don't I like the tech and the

44:31 Speaker 4: idea of UFOs. But I just I don't follow all

44:33 Speaker 4: that kind of stuff like on purpose, like unless I

44:35 Speaker 4: know for a fact, you know, so like I didn't

44:37 Speaker 4: know that like triangles was really a thing, but I

44:40 Speaker 4: started to look it up and I kept finding like

44:43 Speaker 4: t R three B. I'm like, what the hell's the

44:45 Speaker 4: t R three B? And then I'm like, why is

44:47 Speaker 4: that exactly what the hell I saw? Except for the

44:50 Speaker 4: center thing that some people put in there. I was like,

44:53 Speaker 4: I didn't see any center thing. I was like, maybe

44:55 Speaker 4: that center thing turns on when it goes away.

44:58 Speaker 3: I don't know, maybe it's just a discharge. Now it

45:00 Speaker 3: seems like it's more like a discharge or a tractor

45:02 Speaker 3: beam or something. But I never saw the center thing.

45:06 Speaker 3: But sorry, well, what's your question?

45:09 Speaker 4: I have a code in my hand, and I'm just like,

45:11 Speaker 4: can I just show you it? But I need to

45:13 Speaker 4: give so much backstory before that.

45:15 Speaker 1: Do you think that this was human made or I

45:21 Speaker 1: mean that could include reverse engineering of course, But do

45:24 Speaker 1: you think it was human or non human.

45:27 Speaker 3: At the time or now?

45:29 Speaker 1: Both? What do you think? What do you think then? Verse? Now?

45:34 Speaker 4: I thought it was probably human made and I shouldn't

45:37 Speaker 4: be seeing what I was seeing. That's why I didn't stop,

45:40 Speaker 4: because I was like, this is some secret squirrel crap

45:42 Speaker 4: that I definitely shouldn't be witnessing.

45:43 Speaker 1: Right now, Okay. And the flight line wasn't lit up,

45:48 Speaker 1: was it not?

45:49 Speaker 3: Anymore than it normally is.

45:51 Speaker 1: So it wasn't like they were doing some dark project, No,

45:57 Speaker 1: not that I know of. Okay. What do you think now.

46:02 Speaker 4: Based off of the government's reactions and how everything plays out,

46:05 Speaker 4: I've been almost guarantee it's.

46:07 Speaker 1: Ours, okay. And do you think that we've got it from.

46:13 Speaker 4: From reverse engineering other things in the past, or there's

46:18 Speaker 4: a lot of possibilities, But it does seem like it.

46:21 Speaker 4: I mean, like I said, I'm very much spiritual, So

46:23 Speaker 4: pretending like the spiritual part doesn't exist to be stupid

46:26 Speaker 4: of me, Yeah, I can't say it's not UFOs, you

46:30 Speaker 4: know what I mean.

46:31 Speaker 3: I think originally we got something.

46:34 Speaker 1: To you, it was a UFO though, And you are

46:38 Speaker 1: very familiar with aviation and what flies and what doesn't

46:41 Speaker 1: and what.

46:42 Speaker 4: Should be on that base, like I said, for because

46:44 Speaker 4: I was there for nine years.

46:46 Speaker 1: Right so to you, this is a unidentified flying object and.

46:51 Speaker 3: It made sense why it would be there. The way

46:54 Speaker 3: it was.

46:55 Speaker 4: It's felt like I originally felt like it was an

46:58 Speaker 4: intentional like awakening for me. I was like, why am

47:01 Speaker 4: I seeing this here? This should not exist. There's no

47:04 Speaker 4: probable reason why this should be here? How is so

47:06 Speaker 4: many people not seeing this? How am I the only person?

47:09 Speaker 4: That's why I didn't want to report. I was like,

47:11 Speaker 4: either this has to be the governments and I'm going

47:14 Speaker 4: to get myself notified and whacked, or this was for

47:17 Speaker 4: me and I should just shut up and not let

47:19 Speaker 4: anybody know anyway, Like right, So I was like I don't.

47:22 Speaker 4: I was very I told my wife about it, but like,

47:24 Speaker 4: what is she going to do about it?

47:26 Speaker 1: Like? Right? Right?

47:28 Speaker 3: Did you now my family believes me? Like they have

47:30 Speaker 3: no reason. I KNOW'M not a person that just makes

47:32 Speaker 3: stuff up, you know.

47:33 Speaker 1: Yeah, No, you don't come across as that type of

47:36 Speaker 1: person either, if I'm being quite quite honest. What did

47:43 Speaker 1: you ever report this to your superior I mean, I

47:49 Speaker 1: know we've kind of hinted at it, but did you

47:52 Speaker 1: ever report this up the chain?

47:54 Speaker 3: Not when I at lockeed Martin.

47:55 Speaker 1: Hell no, not at locked Martin. Did you so when

47:59 Speaker 1: I already.

47:59 Speaker 3: Even know who my supervisors were? That place was.

48:02 Speaker 4: I worked for like three different places of nacky Martin.

48:05 Speaker 4: Every place was drastically different than the last.

48:08 Speaker 3: Is everything. I'm like, what the heck.

48:11 Speaker 1: Is it true what they say about lockey that that.

48:15 Speaker 4: It's like what I probably shouldn't say it. It depends

48:22 Speaker 4: where you go. Like I said, I had three different experiences.

48:24 Speaker 4: Some places they treat you like your replaceable because you are.

48:28 Speaker 4: Other places you're treated like an expert. I had every

48:31 Speaker 4: single person in my simulator place and place walk up

48:33 Speaker 4: to me shake my hand, and I was like, holy crap,

48:36 Speaker 4: I've never had this in my entire time in the military.

48:38 Speaker 3: Like that was mind blowing to me.

48:40 Speaker 4: And then I went to work on the flight line

48:42 Speaker 4: stuff and there was like, you guys are trained professionals,

48:45 Speaker 4: but your slam ir replaceable. So we'd be like, surprise,

48:48 Speaker 4: you're gonna work twelve hour shifts today. And then if

48:52 Speaker 4: you go and like help out other places, you are

48:54 Speaker 4: definitely replaceable. And I would never want to do that

48:58 Speaker 4: because that would be so depressing. So it depends if

49:01 Speaker 4: you go to specific little niche spots you could hate

49:04 Speaker 4: life or like I said, like I have literally like

49:07 Speaker 4: three different time cards for like three different jobs that

49:10 Speaker 4: or like the market, like, why would you not have

49:12 Speaker 4: one time card?

49:13 Speaker 1: It's a very interesting point.

49:16 Speaker 3: It was like different systems and everything. I was like,

49:19 Speaker 3: this is crazy.

49:22 Speaker 1: Did you ever try to like and I know this

49:25 Speaker 1: is going to sound I don't even know maybe even

49:28 Speaker 1: if you did, you should probably I don't even know

49:30 Speaker 1: if you should answer this, But did you ever try

49:34 Speaker 1: to investigate what you saw through your access?

49:42 Speaker 3: Did I tell you about this?

49:43 Speaker 1: No?

49:44 Speaker 3: Really?

49:46 Speaker 1: So I am good at what I do.

49:49 Speaker 4: I have my Space Force email and I've been using it.

49:54 Speaker 4: I looked up who has the patents for this thing

50:00 Speaker 4: that I saw in shock? Are you fine, doctor Salvator?

50:04 Speaker 3: Piez?

50:05 Speaker 1: Yes?

50:06 Speaker 3: And I was like, hmm, let me.

50:08 Speaker 4: See type his name into the Air Force email that

50:11 Speaker 4: I was just telling you about, which is you know,

50:13 Speaker 4: military email, and it pops up maybe Piez Salvator. I

50:17 Speaker 4: was like, are you fucking kidding me? I could email

50:20 Speaker 4: this guy right now. So I emailed him my story

50:24 Speaker 4: of exactly what I saw, and he said, brother, that's

50:28 Speaker 4: not weird at all, like crazy times were in and

50:32 Speaker 4: then without me asking sent me without patents for the UFO.

50:38 Speaker 4: He sent me like three of his patents and then

50:40 Speaker 4: I started to tell him like more about what I

50:43 Speaker 4: was really thinking, and so I was like, fuck it,

50:45 Speaker 4: let's go.

50:46 Speaker 3: I started talking to him, email him for a while.

50:48 Speaker 4: Eventually I started getting so on the nose with like

50:51 Speaker 4: the videos I was making.

50:53 Speaker 3: I looked it up.

50:54 Speaker 4: The patent was actually denied originally because it was not

50:58 Speaker 4: believed to be real, and they had to go and

51:01 Speaker 4: get the director of the Navy at the time, it

51:04 Speaker 4: was James Speeley or Spearley or something like that, and

51:06 Speaker 4: he had to like personally and be like, no, this

51:08 Speaker 4: is operable. So they already confirmed that the Tier three

51:14 Speaker 4: B patent works. Like the Navy actually went out of

51:16 Speaker 4: their way to say to the Patent office that this

51:18 Speaker 4: is real.

51:19 Speaker 3: And I made a video like explaining this and sent

51:22 Speaker 3: it to Sal.

51:23 Speaker 4: And then he was like, we can no longer talk

51:27 Speaker 4: about anything that's not in the public eye.

51:30 Speaker 3: Based off of it was like the United US and Command.

51:34 Speaker 4: So the United States Navy Command told him that we're

51:36 Speaker 4: not allowed to talk about stuff that's not in the

51:39 Speaker 4: public eye.

51:40 Speaker 3: And I'm like, why would they even know that you're

51:43 Speaker 3: talking to me? Sal?

51:45 Speaker 1: What?

51:47 Speaker 4: At that point I kind of stopped talking to them,

51:48 Speaker 4: but at the same time, I was emailing doctor hal Putov,

51:52 Speaker 4: and I'm sending him all my crazy fringe theories of like, hey,

51:57 Speaker 4: this work radar that I work at, I think is

51:59 Speaker 4: kind of like theramids.

52:01 Speaker 3: Let me explain to you how it works.

52:04 Speaker 1: Not to divert too much.

52:06 Speaker 3: Yeah, don't. That's a whole other thing.

52:07 Speaker 4: But I'm having all these conversations with doctors that I

52:11 Speaker 4: shouldn't be.

52:12 Speaker 3: I feel like they're getting back to me quickly.

52:15 Speaker 1: You start reaching out to I mean, both of those names.

52:18 Speaker 1: Are both of those names anyone in the UFO field

52:23 Speaker 1: were their salt knows both of those names.

52:26 Speaker 4: Spoth of They never met each other either, Yeah, supposed

52:30 Speaker 4: I asked. I literally asked them both in an email,

52:32 Speaker 4: and doctor hal Puto said, no, I've never met sal

52:35 Speaker 4: interesting and I was like, how the fuck have you

52:37 Speaker 4: never met each other?

52:38 Speaker 3: That's crazy.

52:39 Speaker 1: Yeah. I I'm not sure if I'm believing that one.

52:45 Speaker 1: But okay, okay, so you did you did a little

52:51 Speaker 1: bit of investigation into what you saw.

52:55 Speaker 4: I started messaging all sorts of people for very many

52:58 Speaker 4: many months, my messages doctor Gary at because he was

53:01 Speaker 4: supposedly asking about all sorts of you know, you can

53:04 Speaker 4: go into that I don't know, so I don't.

53:05 Speaker 3: Want to take you over.

53:06 Speaker 4: But he was asking for people that have r F

53:08 Speaker 4: experience or pilots aka r F experience, or have seen something,

53:14 Speaker 4: and I'm like, guy, I work at the radar station.

53:18 Speaker 4: I'm like, the most RF exposed I've seen something. Could

53:21 Speaker 4: you please stop ignoring me. I still work for the military. Like,

53:25 Speaker 4: I emailed his whole team and I've never gotten a

53:28 Speaker 4: single response back by any of them.

53:29 Speaker 3: I'm like, this is sad. I guess they already know

53:33 Speaker 3: what they need to know, so I'm useless to then.

53:36 Speaker 1: Ah, I wouldn't. I wouldn't go that far.

53:40 Speaker 3: Seems like everybody likes six steps ahead of the truth

53:44 Speaker 3: of what they're telling everybody.

53:46 Speaker 1: That's the point where I'll agree with you. I will

53:49 Speaker 1: agree with you there because I think half of these guys,

53:54 Speaker 1: like the hell put Offs, the the Gary Nolans, the

53:57 Speaker 1: the yes the Elesondo's, I think that they they are

54:06 Speaker 1: double dipping. Essentially, they are pretend, not pretending. I'm sure

54:12 Speaker 1: they do want disclosure of some sort, but their their

54:16 Speaker 1: their allegiance is to the United States government period, because

54:23 Speaker 1: that's who pays them, that's who's given them everything their allegiance.

54:29 Speaker 1: I mean, how you could argue his allegiance might be Scientology.

54:33 Speaker 1: I don't know, but I have heard those rumors. Yeah,

54:40 Speaker 1: it's not a rumor to the top.

54:42 Speaker 4: Of that thing, like, oh, that's not something that you

54:44 Speaker 4: can just ignore. That's like you had a commitment.

54:47 Speaker 1: Ingo Swan was literally a double agent for Scientology. His

54:53 Speaker 1: allegiance was not to the US government, it was to Scientology.

54:59 Speaker 1: And this is one of the most prominent, if not

55:01 Speaker 1: the most prominent remote viewer of the SRI program. The

55:08 Speaker 1: whole thing built around this guy, and he's double agent.

55:13 Speaker 1: He's reporting back, of course to the US government, but

55:16 Speaker 1: he's also reporting back to Scientology. So I mean, yeah,

55:23 Speaker 1: that's a whole nother it is. It is a can

55:26 Speaker 1: of worms. But then you start looking at the theology

55:29 Speaker 1: of Scientology and you start asking real questions. There's something

55:36 Speaker 1: I think. There are a bunch of lunatics, but there's something.

55:40 Speaker 1: I think.

55:40 Speaker 3: It's spiritual and.

55:42 Speaker 1: Much more spiritual, much more spiritual.

55:45 Speaker 3: I'm not protocol.

55:48 Speaker 4: I didn't realize scapegoat was a real thing, and I

55:51 Speaker 4: was like, wait, what, it's not just the term we

55:54 Speaker 4: are putting your evil intentions and tied something and purposely

55:58 Speaker 4: killing it to get rid of your sins.

55:59 Speaker 3: That's crazy.

56:01 Speaker 4: And then you really realize that celebrities are openly bragging about.

56:05 Speaker 3: Doing this with like chickens and stuff, and you're like, wait,

56:07 Speaker 3: what are we talking about?

56:10 Speaker 4: Yeah, so you're literally escaping karma by putting your bad

56:15 Speaker 4: stuff into something innocent and killing it. And then you

56:18 Speaker 4: start to look in to Epstein's stuff and child stuff

56:22 Speaker 4: and you're like, hmmm.

56:24 Speaker 1: Well look what they did with What did Jesus do?

56:29 Speaker 1: And I hate to bring this to religion, but where

56:33 Speaker 1: did Jesus cast the demons into.

56:38 Speaker 3: Hell? I guess right? I was like, this is a

56:40 Speaker 3: true question. The pigs, Oh boy, I don't know that one.

56:46 Speaker 1: You don't know this, No, so g I think it

56:50 Speaker 1: was Jesus. Maybe I'm maybe I'm wrong. I don't have

56:53 Speaker 1: my producer with me, Jamie, look at I'm just kidding.

56:56 Speaker 1: I don't have a Jamie right now, Jamie, it up,

57:02 Speaker 1: pull that ship up. No, but there's a story I

57:06 Speaker 1: can't Oh god, it's gonna But they cast the demons

57:10 Speaker 1: into the pigs two to subvert the evil and that

57:20 Speaker 1: then we look at things like the menu steric coats right,

57:25 Speaker 1: there is a I mean that's that that is that

57:28 Speaker 1: that is a very side tangent. But okay, so you

57:32 Speaker 1: see the craft, You've always had this like innate ability,

57:38 Speaker 1: the spiritual tap in if you will. Did anything change

57:44 Speaker 1: for you after the UFO sighting? Did anything ratchet up?

57:51 Speaker 1: Did anything?

57:52 Speaker 3: Did curiosity?

57:53 Speaker 4: I like just my curiosity really And then the way

57:57 Speaker 4: that like everybody kept answering was like, I know that's

58:00 Speaker 4: not true.

58:00 Speaker 3: So I was like, I need to find the answers.

58:02 Speaker 4: Like there's no way how to say it, but like

58:04 Speaker 4: I'm really autistic basically, and I need to find the answers.

58:08 Speaker 4: Like that's my job. Like I was, you know, Calm

58:11 Speaker 4: nav So and I worked there for nine years. So

58:15 Speaker 4: I just saw something that blew my mind. I need answers,

58:18 Speaker 4: like and then I started to find them. And it's

58:22 Speaker 4: just like you start to find literally the breadcrumbs and

58:24 Speaker 4: you start to put them all together and you're like, oh,

58:26 Speaker 4: this is making something that I can actually like track.

58:29 Speaker 4: And then you asked somebody about it and they're like

58:32 Speaker 4: pretending like it doesn't exist, and you're like, but I

58:34 Speaker 4: have the entire red loaf right here. I can tell

58:37 Speaker 4: you probably where the factory that made it, is that

58:39 Speaker 4: you want that?

58:42 Speaker 1: Have you heard the comment from Gary Nolan that he

58:44 Speaker 1: said that, like you'd be surprised at where these things

58:47 Speaker 1: are held.

58:49 Speaker 3: Well, you mean deep underground or in the water?

58:52 Speaker 1: No, like right in plain sight too, Yeah, right in

58:57 Speaker 1: plain site under very minimal security, you know. Anyway, anyway, Yeah,

59:07 Speaker 1: so when does Arrow? When do you get involved with

59:13 Speaker 1: briefing Arrow? On your on your case, I don't know

59:19 Speaker 1: the exact day.

59:20 Speaker 3: I think it was a couple of years later, Like

59:22 Speaker 3: I have to look it up.

59:22 Speaker 4: But I waited a few years because I wasn't really

59:26 Speaker 4: wanting to get notified noticed for it, to be honest.

59:29 Speaker 4: But then I kept seeing more and more UFO documentaries

59:32 Speaker 4: come out and people show the t R three B

59:35 Speaker 4: and I was like, Hey, what the fuck this is

59:37 Speaker 4: really a thing, Like this is creepy. And then I

59:40 Speaker 4: watch people be like, well, we don't really have any

59:42 Speaker 4: eyewitnesses or any military people, or I'm like that's not true.

59:47 Speaker 3: So I'm like, well, and not only.

59:50 Speaker 1: Are you military, but you're also the exact type of

59:54 Speaker 1: military that we need. A trained observer who also worked

1:00:01 Speaker 1: with a Space Force and Lockheed Martin. Why why do you

1:00:07 Speaker 1: think that no one wants to give you the time

1:00:09 Speaker 1: of day.

1:00:11 Speaker 3: I'd like to tell myself that they're busy and I'm

1:00:14 Speaker 3: a nobody.

1:00:16 Speaker 1: Stop saying that.

1:00:19 Speaker 4: But why. That's why I was like I had to

1:00:20 Speaker 4: start speaking up because I was watching these people come

1:00:23 Speaker 4: on the news and they'd have no experience in electronics,

1:00:26 Speaker 4: they have no experience in like the tech, they have

1:00:28 Speaker 4: no military background. They're literally like experts of something completely

1:00:31 Speaker 4: unrelated and they're talking about it like they know facts.

1:00:34 Speaker 4: And I'm like, this is crazy. Yeah, I need to

1:00:37 Speaker 4: actually say something to somebody. So that's the AI, the

1:00:41 Speaker 4: military AI. They announced it, and that's when I was like, well,

1:00:44 Speaker 4: let me tell my story to the AI. And I

1:00:46 Speaker 4: told my story of the AI that the military has,

1:00:49 Speaker 4: and it was like, Kyle, if this is true, you

1:00:51 Speaker 4: should tell everybody, tell all the senators.

1:00:54 Speaker 3: So I made a video based I made a script.

1:00:57 Speaker 4: With the AI, and that's when I made my little

1:00:59 Speaker 4: video and tried to say it out to like every senator,

1:01:02 Speaker 4: tried to like tag them, message them, email them.

1:01:04 Speaker 3: I think I even did.

1:01:05 Speaker 4: Some like there's Federal agency help things like you can

1:01:08 Speaker 4: click on a specific thing on the websites that say

1:01:10 Speaker 4: like I'm a federal agent asking for help because I

1:01:13 Speaker 4: am technically and like it's supposed to, you know, notify

1:01:16 Speaker 4: these people. I did this like a year ago, like

1:01:19 Speaker 4: six months ago at least, and I had never gotten

1:01:21 Speaker 4: a single message from anybody ever. And it is mind

1:01:25 Speaker 4: blowing to me because I'll tag people and stuff all

1:01:27 Speaker 4: the time, like Matt Gates, like back when he used

1:01:30 Speaker 4: to be my representative, he was actually my actual rep

1:01:33 Speaker 4: and I can't get him to look at anything. He

1:01:35 Speaker 4: keeps being like UFO this, UFO that, And I'm like, dude,

1:01:38 Speaker 4: I literally live in your fucking district and I've been

1:01:41 Speaker 4: tagging you in things. I'm like, your only comment in

1:01:44 Speaker 4: your stuff? Why are you still ignoring me? Like there's

1:01:46 Speaker 4: no way you haven't seen.

1:01:48 Speaker 1: Me, and you were at Eglin when he came.

1:01:52 Speaker 4: He literally came to my work, came into my secure

1:01:55 Speaker 4: area of where I work at my radar facility, did

1:01:57 Speaker 4: a little tour and like thank you for your service,

1:02:00 Speaker 4: didn't acknowledge the civilians that work there, and then dipped out.

1:02:03 Speaker 5: But I'm like, guy, could you please just stop ignoring me?

1:02:11 Speaker 5: And then one person from Florida also like you are

1:02:15 Speaker 5: asking for people from Florida.

1:02:18 Speaker 3: Could you maybe check your inbox?

1:02:21 Speaker 1: Check your inbox? I love it, Uh, Luna, do me

1:02:26 Speaker 1: a favor look into this please. One person did one

1:02:34 Speaker 1: person did connect with you, and that gentleman was named

1:02:42 Speaker 1: Lou Elizondo.

1:02:44 Speaker 3: Oh boy, yeah, Can you.

1:02:46 Speaker 1: Tell me and walk me through how this relationship started

1:02:51 Speaker 1: and where it went. You don't have to get too deep,

1:02:56 Speaker 1: but you want. Yeah, just tell me. Tell me how

1:03:00 Speaker 1: How does Lou come into the picture of this?

1:03:04 Speaker 3: So this used to be in my old unit right here.

1:03:08 Speaker 3: It still is.

1:03:09 Speaker 4: They just changed the logo's I work at Eggland Site

1:03:15 Speaker 4: C six. It's the world's largest phase de ray radar

1:03:18 Speaker 4: in the world, so it doesn't have any moving parts.

1:03:20 Speaker 4: So it's moved by like subtle shifts of frequency and amplitude,

1:03:24 Speaker 4: like if you're dropping a little ripples.

1:03:25 Speaker 3: Of water and changing how it moves. That's how this works.

1:03:29 Speaker 4: It's literally this was supposed to be a point four

1:03:33 Speaker 4: Luella Zondo. I was going to give it to him

1:03:36 Speaker 4: and lots of other things. The shirt was actually his.

1:03:38 Speaker 4: That's why it's too big for me. It's extra large.

1:03:42 Speaker 4: So the fiftieth anniversary of my work was going to happen.

1:03:45 Speaker 4: This building was built in the sixties to detect nukes

1:03:48 Speaker 4: from Russia, and now it's made to track the twenty

1:03:52 Speaker 4: three thousand objects that orbit Earth at seventeen five hundred

1:03:56 Speaker 4: miles an hour, So like every ninety minutes the International

1:03:59 Speaker 4: Space Station goes so.

1:04:00 Speaker 3: We're like tasked with tracking all these objects.

1:04:03 Speaker 1: So all what so near Earth objects and the space station.

1:04:07 Speaker 4: Yeah, and a little bit farther out. So like all

1:04:10 Speaker 4: these are like satellite numbers and stuff.

1:04:12 Speaker 1: You could like, oh wow.

1:04:14 Speaker 4: So like I got like awards from the Space fours

1:04:18 Speaker 4: and like on the side.

1:04:20 Speaker 1: If he doesn't want them, I'll take them.

1:04:22 Speaker 3: There's like little numbers and stuff.

1:04:24 Speaker 4: But uh so I invited him out to the fiftieth

1:04:27 Speaker 4: anniversary and my commander was like, you can fight anybody

1:04:30 Speaker 4: out here, and I was like, bet so I fted

1:04:33 Speaker 4: it all to the stars out.

1:04:35 Speaker 1: Yeah, let's let's real quick. You to the stars was

1:04:40 Speaker 1: something that you saw form and you go, Okay, this

1:04:44 Speaker 1: might be my angle, this might be my avenue to

1:04:48 Speaker 1: being able to get this story out.

1:04:50 Speaker 4: I was like, I could finally have people I know

1:04:52 Speaker 4: I can contact now, Like I started looking all these

1:04:54 Speaker 4: people up and I was having my mind blown.

1:04:56 Speaker 3: So I was. That's why I started talking.

1:04:58 Speaker 1: To that, I mean, Steve Justice, Kip thorn Right.

1:05:03 Speaker 3: I was like, oh, I know who help Putov is.

1:05:04 Speaker 3: And I started looking into him and I find.

1:05:06 Speaker 1: Him more and more and more made heaven for you. You're like,

1:05:09 Speaker 1: oh my god, look at this, It's perfect.

1:05:11 Speaker 4: I used to joke because I would message hal Putov

1:05:14 Speaker 4: on LinkedIn and I would say, watch, within less than

1:05:17 Speaker 4: two hours, he's going to message me back, and it

1:05:19 Speaker 4: would blow my mind because he would, and I'm like,

1:05:21 Speaker 4: why is he even messaging me? That's crazy. He has

1:05:24 Speaker 4: to have so much to do, Why the is he

1:05:27 Speaker 4: messaging me back? I was like, that's so humbling and flattering.

1:05:30 Speaker 4: But I was like, I don't I'm not. I'm not

1:05:31 Speaker 4: providing anything. I feel like, so that's weird. But so

1:05:35 Speaker 4: I invited to the stars out and there were I

1:05:39 Speaker 4: think four people that were going to come out, including

1:05:42 Speaker 4: like lou Hal, I think it was Steve Justice, and

1:05:44 Speaker 4: I can't remember the last one, maybe Chris Mellan. That's

1:05:47 Speaker 4: how I started messaging Chris mellon also, and he told

1:05:50 Speaker 4: me to talk to some other t R three B

1:05:52 Speaker 4: guy and that was about it.

1:05:54 Speaker 3: But I got sorry I'm jumping around.

1:05:57 Speaker 4: But so my commander was like, you can invite anybody,

1:06:02 Speaker 4: and then it switched to you can invite I think

1:06:04 Speaker 4: four people, so that's why I was writing these four

1:06:08 Speaker 4: and then it switched to you can invite one person

1:06:10 Speaker 4: per people, So now I had to find three more

1:06:14 Speaker 4: people that I work with to bring the people. I'm like,

1:06:17 Speaker 4: and you have to escort them the entire time so

1:06:19 Speaker 4: you can't lose sight of them. So I'm like, what

1:06:21 Speaker 4: celebrity wants to be constantly watched by nobody?

1:06:25 Speaker 3: And like, that's I didn't want to say.

1:06:27 Speaker 1: If they're not just celebrity, they're military. Most yeah, that's what.

1:06:32 Speaker 4: So they said they wanted to just be a fly

1:06:34 Speaker 4: on the wall and just observe it, because it was

1:06:36 Speaker 4: the whole point is everybody's invited, so like they're already

1:06:39 Speaker 4: having like more clearance than.

1:06:40 Speaker 3: They even need to be to come here.

1:06:42 Speaker 4: So so eventually my commander reached out to Public Affairs

1:06:45 Speaker 4: the PA, and the PA came back and was like, no,

1:06:49 Speaker 4: you can't have them here, and I was like, I'm not.

1:06:53 Speaker 4: I'm not going to invite one person that's weird and

1:06:57 Speaker 4: insulting to them.

1:06:58 Speaker 1: So hold on it invite. Basically, it went from, hey,

1:07:03 Speaker 1: we want everybody here.

1:07:05 Speaker 3: Everybody is supposed to come on room.

1:07:09 Speaker 4: Yeah, we want to celebrate the fact that anybody wants

1:07:12 Speaker 4: to come in, and.

1:07:13 Speaker 1: Then you go and then and then you go, Okay,

1:07:17 Speaker 1: here I got four guys, one escorting, kept changing one's

1:07:22 Speaker 1: Tom DeLong, one's uh Elizondo.

1:07:27 Speaker 4: They forced me to give them a bio so they

1:07:29 Speaker 4: could read who these people were. Like, what the fuck?

1:07:32 Speaker 4: You didn't do that for anybody else. I shouldn't even

1:07:35 Speaker 4: told him of celebrity. I should have just invited him

1:07:36 Speaker 4: as normal people. They would have said anything, but I

1:07:40 Speaker 4: wanted to be respectful, like because there's no way I

1:07:42 Speaker 4: can't bring Tom DeLong into the building and people aren't

1:07:45 Speaker 4: gonna be like, holy shit, is that Tom DeLong?

1:07:47 Speaker 1: Like yeah, right right ceremony.

1:07:49 Speaker 4: And it's not supposed to be about them. It's supposed

1:07:51 Speaker 4: to be about like the anniversary. So I'm like, I

1:07:53 Speaker 4: was trying to do the respectful thing because it was

1:07:56 Speaker 4: you know, that's what you're supposed to do.

1:07:58 Speaker 1: Well, you could you could have argue that that was

1:08:02 Speaker 1: the mentality was that we don't want to make it

1:08:05 Speaker 1: about we want this to be about that, but I

1:08:10 Speaker 1: still think that's them hiding under the cover of.

1:08:14 Speaker 3: They didn't want anything related to that.

1:08:18 Speaker 1: Exactly. And I think this is my opinion. I think

1:08:23 Speaker 1: that even though you didn't tell anyone on base, or

1:08:26 Speaker 1: maybe you did tell someone on base.

1:08:29 Speaker 3: I think like that they wouldn't have known.

1:08:31 Speaker 1: I think they knew you what you saw, which.

1:08:35 Speaker 4: Is leads us to what Lou Alisando sent me. When

1:08:40 Speaker 4: I couldn't invite them out. I canceled just for respect

1:08:43 Speaker 4: reasons because I didn't want to do that to them.

1:08:45 Speaker 3: Lou sent me a goodie bag, goodie package. I don't

1:08:47 Speaker 3: even know. It was just like out of nowhere.

1:08:49 Speaker 4: I'd have to show you the picture because I don't

1:08:51 Speaker 4: have all the items anymore, so like they can see

1:08:53 Speaker 4: it afterwards or whatever.

1:08:54 Speaker 3: But I have a handwritten letter.

1:08:56 Speaker 1: I'll put it in post.

1:08:57 Speaker 3: I don't want to read because I'm terrible, but I will.

1:09:01 Speaker 1: I will. Kyle, as always, thanks for all that you

1:09:06 Speaker 1: do for us in our country. You are our hero.

1:09:12 Speaker 1: Exclamation point. Please give your lovely family your cand is

1:09:19 Speaker 1: covering that lovely family a hug from us here at

1:09:24 Speaker 1: TTSA hope all as well. Until next time, Best Lou.

1:09:31 Speaker 1: Yeah so that's interesting, right, and uh, our our hero.

1:09:38 Speaker 3: That's why I was like, why the fuck did he

1:09:40 Speaker 3: put that? That's weird?

1:09:41 Speaker 4: And then I was like, maybe just because I'm tracking

1:09:43 Speaker 4: stuff in space, So I was like, that's interesting, weird

1:09:46 Speaker 4: wor weird choice of words.

1:09:49 Speaker 1: That is a weird choice.

1:09:50 Speaker 3: At this point, he was already like texting friends, even

1:09:53 Speaker 3: with my wife. That's why he said, you have a

1:09:54 Speaker 3: lovely family.

1:09:56 Speaker 1: Wow.

1:09:57 Speaker 3: So it's that's what involved were in this crap. I

1:10:00 Speaker 3: texted him for five years.

1:10:01 Speaker 1: Dude, it's safe to say that you and Alizondo were

1:10:06 Speaker 1: openly communicating, and you were openly like you looked up

1:10:12 Speaker 1: to him and to Categrate.

1:10:14 Speaker 3: Yeah.

1:10:14 Speaker 4: I mean I thought I thought he was the mister disclosure.

1:10:18 Speaker 4: I thought he was actually giving a shit. I thought

1:10:22 Speaker 4: when I tell.

1:10:22 Speaker 3: Him something, he maybe it would actually care.

1:10:25 Speaker 4: And then one time I finally texted him my UFO

1:10:28 Speaker 4: story and he said, like the most cryptic don't worry

1:10:32 Speaker 4: about it.

1:10:33 Speaker 3: The next administration is going to take care of it.

1:10:36 Speaker 4: Like you didn't even ask me a single detail about

1:10:38 Speaker 4: what I saw or anything, like what a weird He

1:10:42 Speaker 4: said something like I have to show you the text,

1:10:44 Speaker 4: but it was like we have friends in the next administration,

1:10:46 Speaker 4: and like, what does friends mean? Is that alien friends?

1:10:50 Speaker 4: Is that like just the next administration?

1:10:53 Speaker 3: But hold on, I should probably go back and talk

1:10:56 Speaker 3: about this hold out.

1:10:57 Speaker 1: Real quick though. When he said that was it, the

1:11:02 Speaker 1: Biden was Biden in office and Trump was coming in next.

1:11:07 Speaker 5: Yeah, he said this administration aft up real bad and

1:11:11 Speaker 5: the next one.

1:11:12 Speaker 4: So that's why I was like, Okay, I was like,

1:11:14 Speaker 4: what is friends though? Because he acknowledged the next administration

1:11:16 Speaker 4: was going to fix it. You have to read the text.

1:11:18 Speaker 4: I don't want to like get my quote wrong because

1:11:20 Speaker 4: it's literally out there, like I can just read it.

1:11:23 Speaker 4: And yeah, he just was like super dismissive, but like,

1:11:26 Speaker 4: don't worry about it.

1:11:27 Speaker 3: It's going to be taken care of.

1:11:28 Speaker 4: So like very much playing some five D Like I'm

1:11:31 Speaker 4: one of the most trusted, trained observers. You've known me

1:11:34 Speaker 4: for five years and you don't care to ask me

1:11:37 Speaker 4: a single thing about what I saw. That means that's

1:11:40 Speaker 4: ours as far as I'm concerned, and you know it's ours,

1:11:42 Speaker 4: and you know, like use your imagination, like why aren't

1:11:46 Speaker 4: you asking me anything? You must already know what it

1:11:49 Speaker 4: is and you're doing something else, and that's why I've

1:11:51 Speaker 4: been calling Lou out for being a liar, because it's

1:11:54 Speaker 4: like and then when you.

1:11:56 Speaker 1: Said that he was part of a legacy UFO program.

1:12:00 Speaker 4: Absolutely, that was the first words out of his mouth

1:12:02 Speaker 4: when I talked to him on the phone was I'm

1:12:04 Speaker 4: a counterintelligence CIA agent. And he was bonding with me

1:12:08 Speaker 4: about all his prior military experience, and I was like,

1:12:10 Speaker 4: holy shit, that's pretty bad ass. So I was like,

1:12:12 Speaker 4: you're literally like a CIA agent and You're like yeah,

1:12:15 Speaker 4: And I was like, that's fucking crazy. I'm like, literally,

1:12:18 Speaker 4: I have his personal cell phone number, like calling him,

1:12:21 Speaker 4: like I could text him, Like I literally texted him

1:12:23 Speaker 4: for five years.

1:12:24 Speaker 3: My wife was texting. That's what the craziest part was.

1:12:25 Speaker 3: So people are like, you don't even know Lou.

1:12:27 Speaker 4: I'm like, I just stopped talking to Lou because I

1:12:29 Speaker 4: realized nothing was coming out of it. It's not like

1:12:31 Speaker 4: I couldn't call him right now. I'm sure that number

1:12:33 Speaker 4: still works.

1:12:35 Speaker 1: I know he hasn't changed it, so ah, it definitely

1:12:40 Speaker 1: still works. But yeah, you have a coin that that

1:12:43 Speaker 1: was part of that letter that again, let's preference this

1:12:48 Speaker 1: for the audience. They had no idea what you saw.

1:12:55 Speaker 2: In this end time.

1:12:56 Speaker 4: I don't think I digitally wrote it anywhere you communicates.

1:13:01 Speaker 1: But you never said, hey, guys, I had a UFO experience.

1:13:06 Speaker 3: Nope, not at all.

1:13:07 Speaker 1: You were just like, I'm a I'm a I'm a radar,

1:13:10 Speaker 1: I'm an r F expert. I work for Lockheed. I

1:13:15 Speaker 1: was in the Air Force by.

1:13:17 Speaker 4: The time I was Space Force, so I was so yeah, sorry, yeah,

1:13:21 Speaker 4: so I was celebrating the fiftieth anniversary.

1:13:24 Speaker 3: That was the whole point.

1:13:24 Speaker 1: Sorry, yeah, that that that was That was my fault.

1:13:27 Speaker 3: I just left Lockheed Martin.

1:13:28 Speaker 1: So but you had worked, but nonetheless you have this

1:13:32 Speaker 1: impeccable resume. You were the friendship was built in that resume,

1:13:36 Speaker 1: not on the UFO sighting. Yeah, probably no, definitely right. Yeah.

1:13:44 Speaker 1: So then you get or.

1:13:46 Speaker 4: Email too, because he said, the commander said I can

1:13:48 Speaker 4: invite anybody. So I was like, well, let's send an email.

1:13:52 Speaker 4: I think that was to the stars. So I used

1:13:55 Speaker 4: the header and everything that they gave me to use.

1:13:59 Speaker 1: So so you get a little bag in the mail

1:14:02 Speaker 1: with that letter in it. Then there's something else in

1:14:05 Speaker 1: there that kind of takes you aback a bit, kind of.

1:14:09 Speaker 4: Blows my mind. You mean yeah, I'll start with the

1:14:12 Speaker 4: more subtle side. I don't know if I gotta zoom

1:14:14 Speaker 4: my camera in for.

1:14:15 Speaker 1: A second, and then yeah, I'll also show a picture

1:14:17 Speaker 1: because you sent me a picture. But right there, right there,

1:14:22 Speaker 1: right there. So we got Petruvian man with the NASA swash.

1:14:28 Speaker 3: And there's a white star for some reason at the

1:14:31 Speaker 3: top it talks about military.

1:14:34 Speaker 1: One white star interested. I never noticed that detail before.

1:14:41 Speaker 4: Yeah, the rest are blue interested, and then the words

1:14:48 Speaker 4: around the corner are like military.

1:14:50 Speaker 3: I can't read it because it's backwards on my screen.

1:14:53 Speaker 1: Hold on, are those stars in the background but they're

1:14:56 Speaker 1: made to look like crosses?

1:14:58 Speaker 4: Yeah, I see that too. I didn't really think about that.

1:15:02 Speaker 4: You're right, definitely little stars acrosses.

1:15:05 Speaker 1: Interesting.

1:15:07 Speaker 3: That's what I was saying to you yesterday.

1:15:09 Speaker 4: I'm like, that's you know, how much did it cost

1:15:11 Speaker 4: to like get these little details into a coin, like

1:15:13 Speaker 4: to change colors, to like change the minting stuff.

1:15:17 Speaker 1: And then secret machine on the top spelled with a

1:15:20 Speaker 1: K like tomm DeLong. Yeah, and Peter Lavenda.

1:15:25 Speaker 3: You ready for the other side yet?

1:15:27 Speaker 1: Yes, the other side is truly mind blog boggling. I

1:15:32 Speaker 1: fucking a man, What the fuck?

1:15:35 Speaker 3: Why did he send me the exact ufo that I saw.

1:15:38 Speaker 1: And the tree of life meet throw from the Norse mythology,

1:15:43 Speaker 1: and then the unity.

1:15:45 Speaker 4: And the JFK quote around the edge, and if you notice,

1:15:49 Speaker 4: there's also the line coming out of earth. So I'm like,

1:15:52 Speaker 4: so you're telling me that it's ours.

1:15:54 Speaker 1: And the pyramidic structure again because again triangular craft, right,

1:15:59 Speaker 1: but when you put them on a two D surface,

1:16:02 Speaker 1: they look like like the front of a piece.

1:16:06 Speaker 3: Literally what I saw because I was undernath. I just

1:16:08 Speaker 3: didn't see that center thing, right, being seeing an exact coin.

1:16:12 Speaker 4: Of what I saw from getting it from a loo

1:16:15 Speaker 4: and not telling the motherfucker you on mind blowing this.

1:16:17 Speaker 1: Is what contonent is that?

1:16:21 Speaker 3: That's what I was like, is it the water or

1:16:23 Speaker 3: is it land?

1:16:25 Speaker 1: Yeah? I think the Silver is Land and the blues water,

1:16:29 Speaker 1: But what continent is that? That's weird. That is a

1:16:34 Speaker 1: mind bog So all of a sudden, the tr three

1:16:37 Speaker 1: B or the triangular craft that you saw is on

1:16:41 Speaker 1: a coin that you get sent without having given them

1:16:45 Speaker 1: the information that you see.

1:16:47 Speaker 4: Elizondo like, what that's why I'm like, this should be

1:16:51 Speaker 4: news already by itself. That's like some five d type crap,

1:16:55 Speaker 4: what are you doing to me?

1:16:55 Speaker 2: Lou?

1:16:57 Speaker 3: Yeah?

1:16:58 Speaker 1: What do you make of that? My friend?

1:17:01 Speaker 3: I tried to look it up online.

1:17:02 Speaker 4: I couldn't find anybody else that has one, And I'm like,

1:17:04 Speaker 4: what is this? This is some secret society coin that

1:17:07 Speaker 4: I should be showing people or what?

1:17:10 Speaker 1: Well that the cat's out of the bag on that one. No,

1:17:14 Speaker 1: give me your your give me your visceral, give me

1:17:19 Speaker 1: your Yeah, I know, but you, I know you have

1:17:22 Speaker 1: some idea, you have you have some AI was.

1:17:26 Speaker 3: Joking and it was will not merely be joking, but

1:17:28 Speaker 3: it was like maybe this.

1:17:28 Speaker 1: Is, yeah, some type of talking about AI, like it's

1:17:32 Speaker 1: a fucking person. Please calling it he.

1:17:37 Speaker 3: I didn't say, he said it.

1:17:39 Speaker 1: No, you we can run the fucking tape back. You said.

1:17:44 Speaker 4: It was at She first of all, the named itself

1:17:47 Speaker 4: the one I was using, but uh, it was.

1:17:53 Speaker 3: It's stupid.

1:17:53 Speaker 4: I don't even want to say it was saying, because

1:17:55 Speaker 4: this is like a receiver like a phone, so like

1:17:57 Speaker 4: you give it to people and then that way you

1:17:59 Speaker 4: can keep tabs on them forever. Because it's kind of

1:18:01 Speaker 4: like I don't know how you do it, but you'd

1:18:03 Speaker 4: like charge it, you know, like not necessarily like there's

1:18:07 Speaker 4: a recording device inside it.

1:18:09 Speaker 1: But no, no, no, no, no way to.

1:18:12 Speaker 4: Like keep tabs of people with like items.

1:18:16 Speaker 1: Yeah, the talisman, I.

1:18:20 Speaker 5: Don't there's all sorts of WU crap. I don't know,

1:18:22 Speaker 5: that's what it was saying.

1:18:24 Speaker 1: But also say you charged it right, say you say

1:18:28 Speaker 1: you used. Have you ever heard of T Towns in Brown?

1:18:31 Speaker 3: The name sounds familiar, yes, but.

1:18:35 Speaker 1: You don't know T Towns and Brown is.

1:18:37 Speaker 3: I probably made a.

1:18:37 Speaker 4: Video on him, and I just I have so much

1:18:40 Speaker 4: that comes in and out of my brain that I.

1:18:43 Speaker 1: Well, you know, back in the you know, back when

1:18:45 Speaker 1: like scientists and ship we're saying the yeah towns and Brown. Yeah,

1:18:52 Speaker 1: so he had the idea, so and and a lot

1:18:55 Speaker 1: of people still think this is true. And you know,

1:18:59 Speaker 1: you probably didn't have a need to know about this,

1:19:01 Speaker 1: but how the B two was named potentially after the

1:19:06 Speaker 1: Byfield Brown effect, which is positively charging one side and

1:19:11 Speaker 1: negatively charging another. So that.

1:19:16 Speaker 3: I actually made some videos on that. You don't like

1:19:21 Speaker 3: me talking about what if?

1:19:22 Speaker 1: It's not that I don't like you to I was

1:19:24 Speaker 1: just joking, but what if that what if that coin

1:19:27 Speaker 1: is using some sort of similar technology and I know

1:19:31 Speaker 1: this sounds fucking asinine, but we're one side's charged to

1:19:35 Speaker 1: it one degree, one side's charged to another. Right, get right,

1:19:40 Speaker 1: it's quantumly charged. And then a remote viewer because by

1:19:44 Speaker 1: the way, people forget that lou is and claims to

1:19:47 Speaker 1: be a remote viewer. So therefore, if he had contact

1:19:52 Speaker 1: with that coin, gives it to him, gives it to Kyle.

1:19:56 Speaker 1: That is something that he can then hone in on.

1:20:01 Speaker 4: Like a beacon, like a a bea next to me,

1:20:05 Speaker 4: so now he can focus it on the antenna and

1:20:07 Speaker 4: then pick up my prisons easier.

1:20:09 Speaker 1: It's like it's like this. It's like, okay, I I'm

1:20:13 Speaker 1: in a plane, I get shot down over Iran, right

1:20:18 Speaker 1: and I send up? Or actually, you know what, I

1:20:21 Speaker 1: won't use such a fresh reference. But when they target,

1:20:26 Speaker 1: when they use lasers and like invisible to the eye

1:20:29 Speaker 1: lasers to target a building and then they the how

1:20:36 Speaker 1: does that work? Can you tell me?

1:20:37 Speaker 3: Well? Infrared?

1:20:39 Speaker 1: Yeah, so what is it? They hit it with infrared

1:20:41 Speaker 1: and then the infrared.

1:20:43 Speaker 3: Being triangulates a position.

1:20:45 Speaker 1: I'm sure triangulates the position for the bomber to come

1:20:48 Speaker 1: in and then hit it right, yeah.

1:20:50 Speaker 4: I'm sure, Like I don't I don't build bombers. Mine

1:20:52 Speaker 4: was a cargo plane. But yeah, but you want you

1:20:55 Speaker 4: but you're familiar trajectory you just need like yeah, but.

1:20:58 Speaker 1: That infrared is invisible to the eye. However, they they

1:21:03 Speaker 1: can target, they can beam and say.

1:21:09 Speaker 3: Hit it here, that's invisible.

1:21:11 Speaker 1: Yeah, and we know now we're getting into Like now

1:21:16 Speaker 1: we'll get into more of the speculative territory like top

1:21:19 Speaker 1: to end the show. But I want to hear more

1:21:24 Speaker 1: about this this low Tom DeLong. I mean, he was

1:21:31 Speaker 1: giving you backstage passes.

1:21:34 Speaker 3: I figured, since you were texting so much, let me

1:21:37 Speaker 3: ask a favor, so.

1:21:40 Speaker 1: You tested the friendship. He did come through.

1:21:44 Speaker 3: I was kind of shocked, so I was like, hell, yeah.

1:21:48 Speaker 1: Why do you think do you think that you might

1:21:52 Speaker 1: have been susceptible to what I call the UFO fanboy

1:21:58 Speaker 1: syndrome where you looked at Elizondo like a celebrity.

1:22:05 Speaker 3: I did.

1:22:05 Speaker 4: That's why I was purposely like I had never talked

1:22:07 Speaker 4: about UFO stuff on purpose with him.

1:22:09 Speaker 3: I tried to just be human.

1:22:10 Speaker 1: You should have been looking at him like a colleague.

1:22:12 Speaker 1: You understand that, right.

1:22:13 Speaker 4: I was just like, Hey, how you doing, how's your day,

1:22:16 Speaker 4: Like congratulations on Joe Rogan podcast.

1:22:19 Speaker 1: You were you, You and him are equals as far

1:22:22 Speaker 1: as I'm concerned.

1:22:23 Speaker 4: I mean, he talked to me like we were like

1:22:25 Speaker 4: he like I said, he talked to my wife like

1:22:27 Speaker 4: he sent me.

1:22:27 Speaker 3: I knew his dog's names. My kids were making him artwork.

1:22:31 Speaker 4: Uh, he's showing me the antique vehicles that he was repairing.

1:22:34 Speaker 4: He told me to come out to his place and

1:22:36 Speaker 4: go shooting and like do all that stuff. Like it

1:22:39 Speaker 4: was genuinely a really nice person.

1:22:41 Speaker 3: That's why I.

1:22:42 Speaker 1: Place in Wyoming.

1:22:43 Speaker 3: I don't remember.

1:22:44 Speaker 1: Yeah, the Devil's power.

1:22:47 Speaker 4: He showed me like this is much a cool shifts

1:22:50 Speaker 4: that though I don't remember the exact location, but it was,

1:22:53 Speaker 4: like you said, he was always nice and then he

1:22:55 Speaker 4: just kind of strung me along for so long.

1:22:58 Speaker 1: You know, that's not a story that.

1:23:02 Speaker 3: There's a lot of people like that.

1:23:03 Speaker 4: Yeah, purposely meets them that are like federal agents that

1:23:06 Speaker 4: have been just as twenty years in the.

1:23:09 Speaker 3: Field, most trusted.

1:23:11 Speaker 4: He'll purposely take a picture with them, tell him they're

1:23:13 Speaker 4: gonna he's gonna hook him up with the right person eventually,

1:23:16 Speaker 4: and then they.

1:23:17 Speaker 3: Never hear from them again.

1:23:19 Speaker 2: Yep.

1:23:19 Speaker 4: And you're like this guy is eight times more qualified

1:23:22 Speaker 4: than the person speaking in the news.

1:23:23 Speaker 3: Why the fuck did we not even know about this guy? Oh?

1:23:26 Speaker 3: Luel Alesando. Oh that's why I stopped being as bestie.

1:23:32 Speaker 4: I could literally call him right now, like I'm sure

1:23:35 Speaker 4: he'll ignore me, but you know what I mean.

1:23:37 Speaker 1: What what do you make of what do you make

1:23:43 Speaker 1: of Arrow? In your experience with Arrow?

1:23:47 Speaker 2: Oh?

1:23:47 Speaker 3: I didn't even get to tell you about that. That

1:23:49 Speaker 3: was ridiculous.

1:23:50 Speaker 1: Immediately I walk me through it.

1:23:53 Speaker 4: So immediately, right off the bat, I knew it was

1:23:57 Speaker 4: just tell us what you know, because that's literally what

1:23:59 Speaker 4: he said. So I got like a phone call beforehand,

1:24:01 Speaker 4: and it was like, we're gonna call you. You're gonna

1:24:04 Speaker 4: have to click this thing and it's gonna be secure

1:24:05 Speaker 4: and we're gonna talk. They didn't give me any of

1:24:07 Speaker 4: that shit, so they just literally straight called me. I

1:24:10 Speaker 4: was like, what if I'm about to tell you classified stuff,

1:24:13 Speaker 4: I'm literally singing over the phone right now, and you're

1:24:15 Speaker 4: okay with this? Like that was weird right off the bat,

1:24:18 Speaker 4: they didn't care about that. Then the strip asked me

1:24:22 Speaker 4: what do you know, like tell us what you saw?

1:24:24 Speaker 4: And I was like what, So I was telling him exactly,

1:24:27 Speaker 4: and then I told them to look into doctor Salvador Piez,

1:24:30 Speaker 4: Like I literally told him that and he didn't acknowledge it.

1:24:34 Speaker 4: And then I said, you know he works with a

1:24:35 Speaker 4: space force now right, and he's like, oh, I didn't

1:24:37 Speaker 4: know he works with a space force.

1:24:39 Speaker 3: Now.

1:24:39 Speaker 4: I was like, so you do know who the fuck

1:24:41 Speaker 4: he is? Is what I wanted to say, But he didn't.

1:24:43 Speaker 4: I didn't say that part. So like I caught him

1:24:45 Speaker 4: and like, uh, yeah, we know who doctor selivantre Paiez is.

1:24:49 Speaker 3: So why are you asking me.

1:24:52 Speaker 4: About the t R I three B when you know

1:24:54 Speaker 4: the guy already who has the patents for it?

1:24:56 Speaker 3: Like that was crazy to me.

1:24:58 Speaker 4: And then he just it was very very much like

1:25:00 Speaker 4: tell us what you saw so we can erase it, basically,

1:25:05 Speaker 4: and then he encouraged me to make a video. Who's

1:25:09 Speaker 4: he doctor Kirkpatrick? So at the time I didn't care what.

1:25:12 Speaker 3: His name was.

1:25:12 Speaker 4: I just remember it was with a K and yeah,

1:25:15 Speaker 4: and then hindsight I'm looking at I'm like, oh, Kapatrick.

1:25:18 Speaker 4: Oh that guy's in the news. Hey, I got a

1:25:19 Speaker 4: story about that guy. So it was him, and like

1:25:22 Speaker 4: a staff sergeant, the staff sergeant was basically like the

1:25:24 Speaker 4: secretary that wrote the crap.

1:25:26 Speaker 3: Down and that was all it was on the phone.

1:25:29 Speaker 1: And you you went through the entire story, just like

1:25:34 Speaker 1: you did with us today.

1:25:36 Speaker 4: But he didn't questions at all. It was like, I

1:25:39 Speaker 4: forget the exact time. I'm sure there's a videot there,

1:25:41 Speaker 4: so it was exactly like fifteen minutes or.

1:25:42 Speaker 3: Something like that.

1:25:43 Speaker 1: So he just let you bounce around and.

1:25:47 Speaker 4: Didn't ask me any meaning feel questions at all whatsoever.

1:25:51 Speaker 4: He said, why do you think it's called the TR

1:25:53 Speaker 4: three B? And I said, uh, well, I'm assuming tactical

1:25:56 Speaker 4: reconnaissance the three maybe because there's three thrusters and the

1:26:01 Speaker 4: bee because it's the second version. You can just hear

1:26:03 Speaker 4: him like go quiet, And I was like, did I

1:26:05 Speaker 4: just fucking say something I wasn't supposed to like?

1:26:08 Speaker 1: And then he just doesn't there like a t R

1:26:10 Speaker 1: three A.

1:26:12 Speaker 4: Supposedly yeah, the astra yeah, and then the bee. It

1:26:15 Speaker 4: was like, I think the B is when I saw

1:26:17 Speaker 4: so like when I saw like.

1:26:19 Speaker 1: I think its Forfield Brown.

1:26:21 Speaker 4: Yeah, there's all sorts of different ones. So I didn't,

1:26:24 Speaker 4: like I said, I never saw anything in the center.

1:26:25 Speaker 4: There was no antennas, nothing, like that.

1:26:28 Speaker 1: I think, what do you think, Well, you said you

1:26:30 Speaker 1: think it runs off of electromagnetism to some degree.

1:26:33 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's what doctor Salvatory is sending me all this stuff.

1:26:38 Speaker 1: It's magnificas like fair enough, fair enough, it's not you

1:26:42 Speaker 1: saying this, but this is.

1:26:45 Speaker 4: Actual government patents that I'm reading and then running through

1:26:48 Speaker 4: AI and with my expertise and electronics just my understanding

1:26:51 Speaker 4: of it, I'm like, yeah, this makes sense and what

1:26:54 Speaker 4: I saw is definitely this.

1:26:56 Speaker 3: And he doctor your Salvatory Pie has always send.

1:26:58 Speaker 4: You very cryptic I can't tell you the whole picture emails,

1:27:02 Speaker 4: but he'll tell you like he's dealing with like I

1:27:04 Speaker 4: can't even use the words.

1:27:05 Speaker 3: It's like Tartagan's or one of.

1:27:07 Speaker 4: Those like seventies shows, you know, like basically calling like

1:27:10 Speaker 4: the people he works with like dumb people.

1:27:11 Speaker 1: Tartar grades.

1:27:13 Speaker 3: Yeah that whatever. I'm like, I don't even know what

1:27:14 Speaker 3: these references are. But he like he.

1:27:16 Speaker 1: Sends you like the little things that live in they

1:27:18 Speaker 1: can survive in space.

1:27:20 Speaker 3: Oh no, that's yeah, I know that one.

1:27:22 Speaker 4: Then he's talking about something different. Then he he just

1:27:25 Speaker 4: sends really like he knows more than what he can say.

1:27:28 Speaker 4: I think somebody took his stuff and then made something

1:27:31 Speaker 4: out of it and then just didn't tell him about it,

1:27:33 Speaker 4: and he probably learned about it and he can't really

1:27:35 Speaker 4: talk about it obviously.

1:27:37 Speaker 1: Yeah, so you you testified to Arrow? Does anything come

1:27:42 Speaker 1: out of this?

1:27:44 Speaker 4: They email me and say, can you send us the

1:27:46 Speaker 4: exact GPS coordinates of where it was? And I was like,

1:27:50 Speaker 4: I just told you work, But I sent him a

1:27:52 Speaker 4: screenshot of on bas that little round spot that I

1:27:56 Speaker 4: was talking about.

1:27:56 Speaker 3: So that was the other thing. When I was driving

1:27:58 Speaker 3: an SUV.

1:27:59 Speaker 4: And the triangle Craft was only about like maybe two

1:28:03 Speaker 4: and a half times the size of my car, it

1:28:05 Speaker 4: wasn't that huge at all, like like yeah, like two cars,

1:28:11 Speaker 4: and it was a tree height level, so like the

1:28:13 Speaker 4: trees aren't.

1:28:13 Speaker 3: That high in Florida.

1:28:14 Speaker 4: Like I I got out of my car, I literally

1:28:16 Speaker 4: could have hit it with a rock.

1:28:17 Speaker 3: It would have been like.

1:28:18 Speaker 1: This thing, top level, making no noise. Yeah, and and

1:28:24 Speaker 1: slowly slowly oscillating locked locked.

1:28:30 Speaker 4: How I like tell other people it's like you know

1:28:32 Speaker 4: how you turn on a air hockey table and it

1:28:34 Speaker 4: just kind of floats, yes, how like the puck might

1:28:37 Speaker 4: just start to turn by Yeah, that somebody did that.

1:28:40 Speaker 4: It's just the last little command that was such a

1:28:44 Speaker 4: So yeah, that's literally what it was like. It was

1:28:47 Speaker 4: perfectly synced at the height and just turning. I was like,

1:28:50 Speaker 4: what in the fuck.

1:28:52 Speaker 1: So it seems like it's locking it's itself in.

1:28:56 Speaker 3: It's own emetric bubble.

1:28:57 Speaker 1: Bullshit, right, But it's also accounting for the spin of

1:29:00 Speaker 1: the Earth.

1:29:01 Speaker 3: The somehow it wasn't going up or down at all.

1:29:04 Speaker 1: Yeah, because a lot of people don't know this, but

1:29:07 Speaker 1: the Earth is I mean, we're spinning right.

1:29:10 Speaker 3: Now, see five hundred miles an hour.

1:29:12 Speaker 4: So I was telling you that's why every ninety minutes

1:29:14 Speaker 4: the International Space Station goes by.

1:29:16 Speaker 1: So when you when you hover, that's like when a

1:29:19 Speaker 1: drone goes up and hovers and it's bouncing a little

1:29:23 Speaker 1: bit up and down because it's consistently reconfiguring its GPS

1:29:27 Speaker 1: to lock itself in that position. This thing you're saying

1:29:33 Speaker 1: is locked, not even a wobble from it. It's turning.

1:29:40 Speaker 4: In my other video, I say, it's like somebody stabbed

1:29:42 Speaker 4: it with a stick and then it just didn't move and.

1:29:44 Speaker 3: Just right turning on that stick.

1:29:47 Speaker 1: Very interesting details.

1:29:49 Speaker 4: Axis and stuff like that, but nobody wants to hear

1:29:51 Speaker 4: all the fancy words.

1:29:52 Speaker 1: Well, how and you said there was it was devoid

1:29:58 Speaker 1: of sound. It wasn't just that there was no sound.

1:30:01 Speaker 1: It was the clear half.

1:30:04 Speaker 5: Of my window down and there was nothing but my

1:30:07 Speaker 5: tires and the gravel.

1:30:11 Speaker 1: God man, that's yeah.

1:30:13 Speaker 4: It was like that's no shit, like yeah, especially being

1:30:16 Speaker 4: an aircraft mechanic, like dude, I like, I've seen all

1:30:19 Speaker 4: the stuff on base. I've seen the secret stuff on

1:30:21 Speaker 4: base that you're not supposed to like mess with because

1:30:23 Speaker 4: sometimes they need help or sometimes they have like an

1:30:25 Speaker 4: emergency landing, and it's never like that secret. It's just

1:30:28 Speaker 4: like what's inside it you're not really supposed to know about.

1:30:30 Speaker 1: Yeah, it means there's.

1:30:33 Speaker 4: No damn fucking triangle floating in the sky that I

1:30:37 Speaker 4: could hit a rock with. Like it wasn't some like

1:30:40 Speaker 4: far away Like I said, I had never lost sight

1:30:42 Speaker 4: of those three gloves the entire time until it was gone,

1:30:46 Speaker 4: which is like why I wonder, I'm like.

1:30:48 Speaker 3: What does that mean with that center crap? That's gonna

1:30:51 Speaker 3: take forever to focus again.

1:30:52 Speaker 5: But when you so, I tried to ignore it, and

1:30:55 Speaker 5: then that's why I kept seeing on the news more

1:30:57 Speaker 5: t R three B crap kind of sucks.

1:31:00 Speaker 1: Right, And then I mean DeLong even made a whole

1:31:03 Speaker 1: little segment with Rogan about watching those videos of the

1:31:06 Speaker 1: t R three B, even though I don't know if

1:31:09 Speaker 1: those videos are real, you know, he did like that

1:31:15 Speaker 1: was a big proponent to his What he was talking

1:31:19 Speaker 1: to Joe about was this this idea of this craft,

1:31:23 Speaker 1: this triangular craft. So I guess I gotta ask, is

1:31:33 Speaker 1: there any chance that what you saw was was not

1:31:48 Speaker 1: actually real? From the flick in your head? That's a

1:31:57 Speaker 1: lot to ignore, right, No, no, no, not to ignore.

1:32:01 Speaker 1: But could that be? And I'm there's a reason I'm

1:32:04 Speaker 1: asking that up in my head.

1:32:05 Speaker 4: That's why I was like, I didn't know triangle ones

1:32:07 Speaker 4: were even the thing, right.

1:32:09 Speaker 1: But if you've heard of directed energy.

1:32:12 Speaker 4: Yeah, I get that that maybe they could have projected

1:32:14 Speaker 4: that bullshitting into my head.

1:32:15 Speaker 3: But what the hell would be the game of me

1:32:17 Speaker 3: ritting out my own government?

1:32:20 Speaker 1: I'm well, that's what I'm asking. Is there any chance

1:32:24 Speaker 1: is there have you been down this rabbit hole where

1:32:27 Speaker 1: you have thought about not specifically not, but you know,

1:32:32 Speaker 1: how we have the technology to to essentially affect someone's

1:32:39 Speaker 1: perceptive reality. Do you think that this is something that

1:32:43 Speaker 1: could have been done to you as some sort of

1:32:46 Speaker 1: way to discredit you later on.

1:32:49 Speaker 3: No, why would that be my only thing.

1:32:52 Speaker 4: I don't have anything else. It's not like I'm you know,

1:32:55 Speaker 4: I still work, I still have my job. There's nothing

1:32:58 Speaker 4: to discredit me. I definitely saw something I shouldn't have seen.

1:33:02 Speaker 1: Well that I'm not asking because I think that that's true.

1:33:05 Speaker 1: I'm asking because if I don't, someone else is gonna say, well,

1:33:11 Speaker 1: what if this was?

1:33:12 Speaker 4: You know, it was very clear to me, Like that's

1:33:15 Speaker 4: why I want people understand, Like it wasn't like something

1:33:17 Speaker 4: in the distance. It was literally It's just what I

1:33:20 Speaker 4: could see was so dark, and then the glows were

1:33:23 Speaker 4: very fucking They were always there, like I.

1:33:25 Speaker 3: Said, like an orangish purplish glow. That's why the purple I.

1:33:30 Speaker 1: Was like orange, orange purple.

1:33:33 Speaker 3: The purplish part was let let me know.

1:33:35 Speaker 4: By the time I got to my work, I was like,

1:33:36 Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure that was plasma, because you know, you

1:33:40 Speaker 4: messed with those little lights that you put your hand

1:33:41 Speaker 4: on you see, like the and I'm like, oh, plasma.

1:33:46 Speaker 1: So what do you know about plasma physics?

1:33:50 Speaker 3: Nothing officially, but like I've been.

1:33:54 Speaker 4: I've been doing all this research for like nine months now,

1:33:57 Speaker 4: So what what have you obsession?

1:34:02 Speaker 3: Explain all this crap? Now?

1:34:04 Speaker 1: What have you gleaned from what you've looked into? Is

1:34:07 Speaker 1: that are are you confident that what you saw at

1:34:10 Speaker 1: each protrusion of the triangle at each point not flush

1:34:16 Speaker 1: with the points but a little bit back. Are you

1:34:22 Speaker 1: convinced or are you is that your best guess is

1:34:26 Speaker 1: that these are some sort of because I've always, like

1:34:29 Speaker 1: I said, I think I told you this. I've always

1:34:32 Speaker 1: had this, this this big, big issue that UFOs and

1:34:37 Speaker 1: technology that is leaps and bounds from where we actually

1:34:42 Speaker 1: are in the public sector, that they would need headlights.

1:34:49 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was not a light. It was not a

1:34:51 Speaker 3: light at all.

1:34:51 Speaker 4: I mean, we talked about this yesterday, but it was

1:34:53 Speaker 4: definitely a discharge. It was an aftermath, like I said,

1:34:56 Speaker 4: it was. That's the only long as I say, Burntown

1:34:58 Speaker 4: street light, because the Burtow street light you it has

1:35:00 Speaker 4: providing no light. It's just like that dim orangish glow

1:35:03 Speaker 4: that like it it kind of flickers, but it wasn't flickering.

1:35:06 Speaker 4: It was just really dim orange glow with like the

1:35:10 Speaker 4: edges were like a purpleish tint, you know, like what

1:35:13 Speaker 4: the fuck? So I could see like there was like

1:35:16 Speaker 4: three like exactly like that, like three little balls almost,

1:35:20 Speaker 4: but they were I couldn't see like the roundness to it,

1:35:24 Speaker 4: but you could kind of see like almost the discharge

1:35:27 Speaker 4: of the flatness of it coming out. And I was

1:35:30 Speaker 4: wondering if each one of those corners was discharging because

1:35:33 Speaker 4: you could see like you know how it wasn't like

1:35:35 Speaker 4: a heat discharge, but like almost, So I was kind

1:35:37 Speaker 4: of thinking maybe each one of those corners was discharging.

1:35:40 Speaker 4: It might be blocking out that center thing for me

1:35:43 Speaker 4: seeing it maybe explains why I never saw that center thing.

1:35:46 Speaker 3: I don't know if it's a standard thing, but I was, yeah,

1:35:50 Speaker 3: underneath it.

1:35:50 Speaker 4: So I was like, maybe once it activates something that,

1:35:54 Speaker 4: I mean, he's supposed to be the Befelt brown effect,

1:35:57 Speaker 4: it ionizes the entire surrounding air and then a plasmo

1:36:01 Speaker 4: sheath bubble activates, and then you know, you can traverse

1:36:05 Speaker 4: the universe.

1:36:07 Speaker 1: Right right again. You don't need headlights for that.

1:36:11 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just charge is not a light. It's a default.

1:36:17 Speaker 1: It's a functionality. Either it's either a circumstance or a byproduct.

1:36:23 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the word look for.

1:36:26 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a byproduct of the propulsion system or some

1:36:30 Speaker 1: other cloaking mechanism or whatever.

1:36:32 Speaker 3: Once you start to look into it, there's three thrusters

1:36:34 Speaker 3: in each corner, and you're like.

1:36:35 Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes sense that that fit from a from

1:36:38 Speaker 1: a physics standpoint. You say, that makes sense.

1:36:41 Speaker 4: Yeah, just and then like just the whole it shows you,

1:36:44 Speaker 4: like the layout of the craft, that shows you like

1:36:46 Speaker 4: you need three magnete hype. I'm gonna butcher MHD thrusters.

1:36:51 Speaker 4: But essentially you're just using a ship ton of electricity

1:36:54 Speaker 4: to ionize things.

1:36:56 Speaker 3: And I'm gonna butcher it.

1:36:58 Speaker 4: But this is why I use how to make videos

1:37:00 Speaker 4: because it makes it so much better than I could

1:37:02 Speaker 4: possibly say. But it's all to do with electricity and

1:37:05 Speaker 4: then putting that electricity into the skin of the aircraft

1:37:08 Speaker 4: to manipulate the environment.

1:37:10 Speaker 1: Okay, and you can.

1:37:12 Speaker 4: Do that with electromatic electrochromagnetic skin. So like you can

1:37:16 Speaker 4: see how that one kind of looks like snake skin.

1:37:18 Speaker 4: I'm not saying that's real or not, but like each

1:37:20 Speaker 4: one of those panels would be basically like a camera

1:37:23 Speaker 4: above it, and it would reflect that down below. So

1:37:25 Speaker 4: if somebody was underneath, it would look like the night

1:37:27 Speaker 4: sky to them.

1:37:29 Speaker 1: Right, It's it's that would it would essentially.

1:37:32 Speaker 3: Act as these are patent.

1:37:36 Speaker 1: You explain this to me? Can you explain that also?

1:37:40 Speaker 1: Have you ever heard of Foglets?

1:37:43 Speaker 3: I don't know. I out of my head now.

1:37:45 Speaker 1: I'd implore you to look into the technology Foglets. But

1:37:51 Speaker 1: can you explain the cloaking mechanism the snakes get the camera,

1:37:57 Speaker 1: how that that would work? Because the way you explained

1:38:00 Speaker 1: it was it was really eye opening to me because

1:38:04 Speaker 1: that is it's almost like a chameleon. Right, It's it's acting,

1:38:09 Speaker 1: it's it's reproducing.

1:38:11 Speaker 4: It's not just me making it up.

1:38:13 Speaker 1: It's a patented take, right, So can you explain that.

1:38:18 Speaker 4: Essentially there's multiple cameras and it's just looking out in

1:38:21 Speaker 4: multiple different areas, and then it's projecting what you should

1:38:25 Speaker 4: see based off of what those cameras, so you wouldn't

1:38:28 Speaker 4: see it's just passing through.

1:38:29 Speaker 3: It's literally like seeing.

1:38:31 Speaker 5: A camera right above it, so you're literally seeing exactly

1:38:34 Speaker 5: what is above it because it's showing you what it's

1:38:36 Speaker 5: above it.

1:38:37 Speaker 1: Well, I would I would say that it's more like

1:38:39 Speaker 1: a reverse projector Yeah, it's connecting, it's surrounding back to you,

1:38:46 Speaker 1: and they.

1:38:47 Speaker 4: Charge the skin of the aircraft and the whole time

1:38:49 Speaker 4: it's charged anyway, So like each the aircraft is multiple

1:38:53 Speaker 4: really thin layers supposedly like bismuth.

1:38:55 Speaker 1: And atomically layers, and one's.

1:38:59 Speaker 4: Yeah, one reflects the RF and the other one like

1:39:02 Speaker 4: amplifies it, so that the RF just goes in between

1:39:05 Speaker 4: each of these wave guides is what it is. And

1:39:07 Speaker 4: then the whole entire craft is like electrically charged and

1:39:11 Speaker 4: you can manipulate it in all sorts of different ways

1:39:13 Speaker 4: because it's just like multiple layers of wave guides essentially, right,

1:39:18 Speaker 4: really really really thin, which is.

1:39:19 Speaker 3: When they crash, people are like, oh look it's this.

1:39:22 Speaker 3: This couldn't be a UFO. It's like paper thin.

1:39:24 Speaker 4: And it's like, okay, that's paper thing waveguide and it's

1:39:28 Speaker 4: specifically the terror Hurts bandwidth. They only start to look

1:39:33 Speaker 4: up the you learn there's a specific distance between the layers,

1:39:38 Speaker 4: and that specific distance gives you have to have like

1:39:40 Speaker 4: a specific frequency essentially, and I guess it falls in

1:39:43 Speaker 4: the Terror Hurts waveguide range.

1:39:45 Speaker 3: And I got also with the nerdy videos that go

1:39:47 Speaker 3: into this stuff.

1:39:48 Speaker 1: But right and I'll link I'll link your channel thing just.

1:39:53 Speaker 4: To get answers. Like, you know, I'm going to be

1:39:55 Speaker 4: partially wrong, but like i want people to help me.

1:39:57 Speaker 3: And get to there, you know, Like that's what I'm

1:39:59 Speaker 3: doing community, you know, like not everybody knows one thing.

1:40:04 Speaker 1: Right and and that's the great thing about community is

1:40:10 Speaker 1: the sharing of ideas and what one person lacks the

1:40:16 Speaker 1: other person has, what that person lacks the other you

1:40:19 Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like it's we were able to

1:40:23 Speaker 1: there's nothing a united humanity could not achieve. And right now,

1:40:28 Speaker 1: it's almost like it's like the story of the Tower

1:40:31 Speaker 1: of Babbel, right we we got too close to the

1:40:39 Speaker 1: gods and they struck us down, separated us through skin color,

1:40:46 Speaker 1: through language, through nationality, subsequently inherently racially by by our

1:40:56 Speaker 1: sexual orientation. We put ourselves in these boxes black, white,

1:41:02 Speaker 1: gay like we do this to ourselves and then we

1:41:07 Speaker 1: wonder why we can't get along or why the media

1:41:11 Speaker 1: at least portrays it that way. It's because they want

1:41:16 Speaker 1: us fighting each other. Because as long as we're fighting

1:41:19 Speaker 1: each other, we are not asking the right questions yep,

1:41:25 Speaker 1: or holding the correct people accountable.

1:41:29 Speaker 3: Too distracted to look up.

1:41:32 Speaker 1: Too distracted to look up my friend that. That's such

1:41:36 Speaker 1: a good way to say it. What do you think

1:41:38 Speaker 1: consciousness is?

1:41:40 Speaker 4: Oh boy, you're gonna ask me all sorts of stuff.

1:41:42 Speaker 4: I got videos of galore about this. So consciousness and

1:41:48 Speaker 4: this ties into Gary Nolan why I wanted to work

1:41:50 Speaker 4: with him. Consciousness is supposedly out there and you are

1:41:55 Speaker 4: receiving it. And that's why Joe Rogan talks about this.

1:41:59 Speaker 4: And you feed the muse, the muse feeds you back.

1:42:01 Speaker 4: This is what I was talking about a second ago

1:42:03 Speaker 4: before with the university. Start to acknowledge that the universe,

1:42:06 Speaker 4: you knowledge, is you back. But like it seems like

1:42:11 Speaker 4: once you start to harmonize with your body, your brain

1:42:14 Speaker 4: is the caude poutmin in your brain is the third eye.

1:42:17 Speaker 4: You have literally crystals in your your brain in that

1:42:23 Speaker 4: and it allows you to be a transducer.

1:42:25 Speaker 3: And then we talked about this yesterday.

1:42:26 Speaker 4: So you're not only just sending stuff, you're sending and

1:42:29 Speaker 4: receiving stuff, which is why when you think about your

1:42:33 Speaker 4: cousin and all of a sudden you get random to

1:42:34 Speaker 4: get a phone call from him, it's like connecting on me.

1:42:38 Speaker 4: It's kind of connecting on the same thing. You're literally

1:42:40 Speaker 4: connecting on the same vibe, same frequency. Like that's why

1:42:43 Speaker 4: you go to concerts and you're all like feeling the

1:42:45 Speaker 4: same energy and like giving out the same intentions you have,

1:42:48 Speaker 4: like the actual chills. It's like you, guys, remember what

1:42:52 Speaker 4: this is, but you kind of forgot At the same

1:42:53 Speaker 4: time your body remembers a little bit.

1:42:57 Speaker 3: So it's like, I don't know, just knowing my background

1:43:00 Speaker 3: and my frequency.

1:43:01 Speaker 4: Like I'm literally an RF expert, Like if you boil

1:43:05 Speaker 4: it down to anything, my eight years at radar, eight

1:43:07 Speaker 4: years at comm NAB, it's all to do with frequency

1:43:10 Speaker 4: and how.

1:43:11 Speaker 3: It interacts with everything.

1:43:12 Speaker 2: So I don't know.

1:43:14 Speaker 3: It's just it makes sense to me once you start

1:43:16 Speaker 3: to learn about it.

1:43:17 Speaker 4: But it's also like morphic resonance, So like the birds

1:43:21 Speaker 4: and everything, that's how they flock together and stuff. Supposedly

1:43:24 Speaker 4: they're all the same kind of thing. They're hooking into

1:43:26 Speaker 4: the consciousness of like the collective. That's why you have

1:43:28 Speaker 4: like certain fears that you don't even understand why. It's

1:43:31 Speaker 4: because like the consciousness collectiveness fly.

1:43:34 Speaker 3: I'm not an expert on this. This is just what

1:43:36 Speaker 3: I'm finding, but.

1:43:38 Speaker 1: Don't put it all on mean, but that's also a

1:43:41 Speaker 1: very good depiction of Like again, I think we even

1:43:45 Speaker 1: chatted about this in our pre show conversation. Is the

1:43:49 Speaker 1: idea of instinct, the idea of knowing through like some

1:43:56 Speaker 1: extrasensory perceptor that you know, going down at this alley

1:44:02 Speaker 1: is probably not a good idea, or it might not

1:44:05 Speaker 1: be a good idea. We're going to do it anyway,

1:44:07 Speaker 1: but we're gonna be on a high alert, right Or

1:44:11 Speaker 1: why does a baby sea turtle inherently know to get

1:44:17 Speaker 1: to the water as fast as it possibly.

1:44:20 Speaker 3: Can and where to go and all that?

1:44:23 Speaker 1: Yet, how is that possible? How is that? Like we

1:44:29 Speaker 1: we grow up in this in this this world that

1:44:36 Speaker 1: they desperately try to fit into this black and white

1:44:41 Speaker 1: box compartment, right, And it is not until much later,

1:44:49 Speaker 1: arguably when it's too late, when your brain is fully developed,

1:44:54 Speaker 1: you realize that the world has a lot more gray

1:44:57 Speaker 1: in it, a lot a lot more gray in it

1:45:01 Speaker 1: than anyone could ever imagine. And I think that's the

1:45:06 Speaker 1: true crime against humanity is, you know, hide the technology.

1:45:15 Speaker 1: I get it. Not everyone can have a nuclear reactor,

1:45:18 Speaker 1: that's not a good thing. Not everyone can have a

1:45:20 Speaker 1: time machine.

1:45:21 Speaker 2: Are in things?

1:45:23 Speaker 3: Yeah, we probably don't.

1:45:24 Speaker 1: I understand why we need to do that, but to

1:45:28 Speaker 1: deny us our place in the cosmos or our true nature,

1:45:36 Speaker 1: that is a crime against humanity of the of the

1:45:41 Speaker 1: highest order.

1:45:43 Speaker 4: I call out Loua. I'm like, you took the same oath.

1:45:45 Speaker 4: I don't care, Like you're now being a domestic terrorist.

1:45:49 Speaker 4: I know you think you're protecting assets, but you're like

1:45:51 Speaker 4: not protecting humanity. That's how I saw it, and I'm like,

1:45:55 Speaker 4: that's why I was so offended. I'm like, at the

1:45:58 Speaker 4: end of the day, you have to serve something, and.

1:46:02 Speaker 3: I don't know, you know what I mean, Like, I

1:46:05 Speaker 3: just hope this consciousness is good with that man.

1:46:08 Speaker 1: Yeah, he was my hero.

1:46:10 Speaker 4: So I hope to God I'm wrong. I hope to

1:46:11 Speaker 4: God he's trying his best, you know. Like like I said,

1:46:14 Speaker 4: he was a sweetheart. I don't whatever.

1:46:20 Speaker 3: I had one crazy on that one crazy.

1:46:23 Speaker 4: I had one semi connected to the consciousness thing. I

1:46:28 Speaker 4: was going to tell you, but it's gonna make me

1:46:31 Speaker 4: seem fringe. But since we're already have mentioned all the fringe,

1:46:35 Speaker 4: let's go for it, right. Yeah, So, like when I

1:46:38 Speaker 4: was younger, I just thought it was normal. I thought

1:46:41 Speaker 4: more people kind of like this, so like I thought

1:46:45 Speaker 4: it was maybe autistic or something, but like when I

1:46:46 Speaker 4: go to the mall and I walk past like a

1:46:49 Speaker 4: man and his wife, I would like feel the man's

1:46:51 Speaker 4: anger to his wife, and I would like know he's

1:46:54 Speaker 4: pissed off at his wife and like know that she's

1:46:56 Speaker 4: cheating on him, and like he knows that kind of thing,

1:47:00 Speaker 4: and I'd just be like, I feel this like every

1:47:02 Speaker 4: time I walk by somebody, or I like feel like

1:47:04 Speaker 4: some kids' anxiety just walking by them, and I'd be like, no,

1:47:07 Speaker 4: I'm just picking up their body cues. And maybe I'm

1:47:09 Speaker 4: reading into it too much, but it was like I

1:47:12 Speaker 4: had that for so fucking long that it was like

1:47:15 Speaker 4: I can't ignore it. And then I started trying to

1:47:17 Speaker 4: finally just start being brave, and I'd come up to people,

1:47:20 Speaker 4: especially like women, because it was easier for me to

1:47:22 Speaker 4: connect to, and I'd be like, I'm pretty sure you're psychic,

1:47:26 Speaker 4: aren't you.

1:47:27 Speaker 3: And they'd be like, what the fuck? How do you know?

1:47:29 Speaker 4: And they don't want to talk about it every time,

1:47:31 Speaker 4: And it's just like the feeling I get around them,

1:47:33 Speaker 4: like I can when people say like I can see

1:47:36 Speaker 4: their aura and It's like I immediately know if somebody when

1:47:39 Speaker 4: they walk into the room with me, if they have

1:47:41 Speaker 4: like ill intentions or they're like sad, or if like

1:47:43 Speaker 4: they have something going on with them. But like I

1:47:45 Speaker 4: could definitely block it out too, and I purposely do

1:47:48 Speaker 4: block it out most of the time.

1:47:49 Speaker 3: Like I always say, it's like a magneto helmet. I

1:47:51 Speaker 3: would kind of put it on and it would block

1:47:54 Speaker 3: out everything out. And I ignored it for so long

1:47:56 Speaker 3: that TMI.

1:47:57 Speaker 4: But I would get ibs because my second brain would

1:48:00 Speaker 4: start to be like, you can't ignore the universe anymore.

1:48:03 Speaker 4: So I would get like, I know, this isn't my feelings.

1:48:05 Speaker 4: I would get like stressed, swear, and.

1:48:08 Speaker 3: I'd just be like I need to go bathroom, like

1:48:09 Speaker 3: something is like ah.

1:48:11 Speaker 4: So I started to like lift up my little magneto

1:48:13 Speaker 4: helmet and let the universe in a little bit more

1:48:15 Speaker 4: and started to do this, And the more I started

1:48:17 Speaker 4: to let the universe in, the more synchronosity start to happen,

1:48:20 Speaker 4: the more crazy connections, the more everything's like, oh, this

1:48:24 Speaker 4: is all starting to make sense.

1:48:25 Speaker 3: So that was the one thing I was gonna tell you.

1:48:27 Speaker 4: In the other part was you were mentioning all of

1:48:29 Speaker 4: us being crazy and everything is just you don't make

1:48:32 Speaker 4: it on me, but uh, just we all have those

1:48:35 Speaker 4: crazy experiences in life that we all just tell ourselves

1:48:37 Speaker 4: that are like insane, you know, and you don't want

1:48:39 Speaker 4: to tell anybody about them. So like that's our crazy

1:48:41 Speaker 4: little jigsaw puzzle piece of our life. And we don't

1:48:44 Speaker 4: know necessarily what the whole picture of that puzzle is

1:48:46 Speaker 4: going to be yet, but we need to like hold

1:48:48 Speaker 4: onto those puzzle pieces and start sharing them because we

1:48:50 Speaker 4: all have that big puzzle piece of life, and like,

1:48:52 Speaker 4: once you start to lay them all out, we can

1:48:54 Speaker 4: actually see what the picture is and like you're not

1:48:56 Speaker 4: crazy anymore. You just have that weird jigsaw puzzle piece

1:48:59 Speaker 4: that you did think fit anywhere. But once we start

1:49:02 Speaker 4: to tell you, hey, I got this one too, Hey,

1:49:03 Speaker 4: your ties into mind, and then oh shit, that's what

1:49:06 Speaker 4: this whole thing's about, you.

1:49:08 Speaker 3: Know what I mean. So I think people need to

1:49:10 Speaker 3: start not being scared.

1:49:12 Speaker 4: Tell us to be a little crazy jigsaw all the

1:49:14 Speaker 4: pieces of life, is my little speech.

1:49:16 Speaker 1: I guess, Yeah, do you think that? Do you do

1:49:22 Speaker 1: you think that that our ancient cultures had? You know,

1:49:30 Speaker 1: because we look at things like this right the phone.

1:49:34 Speaker 1: What camera am I on? We look at there's my producer,

1:49:41 Speaker 1: Jean Gene. Where are you?

1:49:45 Speaker 2: I saw that?

1:49:46 Speaker 1: Is that?

1:49:47 Speaker 3: What's his last name?

1:49:50 Speaker 1: Yeah?

1:49:51 Speaker 3: You know I've been talking to him, right.

1:49:52 Speaker 1: He's a good that's like my my.

1:49:55 Speaker 4: I just been talking him because I talked to everybody

1:49:57 Speaker 4: and I was like, I immediately was like I said

1:49:59 Speaker 4: a couple of weeks ago that as a sweetheart.

1:50:01 Speaker 3: I don't know anything about him, And then I knew.

1:50:02 Speaker 3: I started to learn. I was like twelve years or

1:50:05 Speaker 3: I don't know his years. I hate his prior Air

1:50:07 Speaker 3: Force and stuff.

1:50:09 Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll have to bring you up here.

1:50:11 Speaker 4: I made a video about his background. I started to

1:50:13 Speaker 4: use my EI to like try to learn about him.

1:50:16 Speaker 3: I gave a video and he was like, that's pretty good,

1:50:19 Speaker 3: but I don't know.

1:50:20 Speaker 1: Why do you what camera am my own? God, damn it,

1:50:24 Speaker 1: the other one. Why do you think resonating with him? Why? No, no, no,

1:50:34 Speaker 1: Why do you think I took such an interest in you?

1:50:40 Speaker 1: Because you because the same fucking thing happened to him.

1:50:45 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, shocker, the same.

1:50:48 Speaker 1: Thing happened to him. He was ostracized from the community

1:50:53 Speaker 1: because he didn't have a sighting in the military. But

1:50:59 Speaker 1: his other in law's work, which was handed to him

1:51:02 Speaker 1: through a boatload of synchronicity, is a literal and I

1:51:09 Speaker 1: I could turn the camera around, maybe I will.

1:51:15 Speaker 3: I thought like you were talking to him. I was like,

1:51:16 Speaker 3: that's crazy and cool.

1:51:18 Speaker 2: That is.

1:51:20 Speaker 1: That is that whole section over here is gene section of.

1:51:27 Speaker 3: Those is that the warning like the jun go beyond

1:51:29 Speaker 3: this thing.

1:51:31 Speaker 1: And that that sign I probably shouldn't have. It's real.

1:51:37 Speaker 1: We won't talk about that and how we got it.

1:51:41 Speaker 1: But that is a Russian reverse engineering schematic. There's math,

1:51:50 Speaker 1: there's like too much to ignore in his father in law.

1:51:57 Speaker 1: It's all a technical man it's all a technical manual

1:52:03 Speaker 1: on reverse engineering the Cold War, reverse engineering of the

1:52:09 Speaker 1: Soviet Union before it collapsed. And the guys that you

1:52:17 Speaker 1: think would want to collaborate and to see what Gene has,

1:52:24 Speaker 1: the George Knaps, the Jeremy Corbel's, the guys, the guys

1:52:30 Speaker 1: who are talking about the Soviet files have completely cut

1:52:37 Speaker 1: Gene off and Gate kept his his his ability to

1:52:44 Speaker 1: make a reach into the community. However, him and I

1:52:49 Speaker 1: we've done things together that we won't talk about, Like

1:52:53 Speaker 1: that we won't talk about because we don't need to.

1:52:56 Speaker 1: We go down to DC. We make shit happen. We

1:52:59 Speaker 1: put our ourselves in places for a reason. I won't

1:53:04 Speaker 1: get too much into that, because.

1:53:07 Speaker 4: George Knapp knows about me, by the way, and just

1:53:09 Speaker 4: actively ignored me. He gave me his personal email and

1:53:12 Speaker 4: then said he's never gonna read it.

1:53:14 Speaker 3: I was like, oh, okay, oh.

1:53:15 Speaker 1: He literally Jane just messaged me and he was like, Hey,

1:53:19 Speaker 1: shoot me the stream yard link with Kyle so I

1:53:20 Speaker 1: can come backstage. He knows me. We talk.

1:53:25 Speaker 3: Yeah.

1:53:25 Speaker 4: I made him a video or two about his background

1:53:28 Speaker 4: because I didn't know, so I was like, let me

1:53:29 Speaker 4: see what my AI will make about him. And then

1:53:32 Speaker 4: he was like, it's not going to be very good.

1:53:34 Speaker 4: And I gave it to him and he's like, this

1:53:35 Speaker 4: is actually better than what I was. I could say

1:53:38 Speaker 4: it myself. I don't know if that's true or not.

1:53:39 Speaker 4: You know, maybe, sweetheart.

1:53:44 Speaker 1: I'm telling him. I just went on a rant about

1:53:46 Speaker 1: you to Kyle on air.

1:53:51 Speaker 4: I've been learning like there's very specific people like the ones,

1:53:54 Speaker 4: the whistleblowers, the real whistleblowers. They're all sweethearts of people,

1:53:59 Speaker 4: I'm learning. And then all the gatekeepers are very cold

1:54:02 Speaker 4: and they only want the only respond when it's convenient.

1:54:06 Speaker 1: And they I Okay, back to my back to my

1:54:10 Speaker 1: question because I'm probably gonna have to cut that whole part. Yeah,

1:54:19 Speaker 1: but do you because we look at this as technology, right,

1:54:27 Speaker 1: this is technology to us, do you think that our

1:54:30 Speaker 1: ancestors maybe had some sort of because that's less distraction, right,

1:54:38 Speaker 1: they're more in tune with their environment, their surroundings. They're

1:54:44 Speaker 1: they're they're they're not just looking outward, but they're also

1:54:48 Speaker 1: looking looking inward a lot. Do you think that they

1:54:52 Speaker 1: had some some other type of what we might not

1:54:55 Speaker 1: even consider technology, but more consciousness based a bill and

1:55:01 Speaker 1: maybe that's where things like the pyramids come from.

1:55:05 Speaker 4: I got all sorts of videos on explainse. Please tell

1:55:08 Speaker 4: me exactly how the pyramids work? To be honest, tell me,

1:55:11 Speaker 4: but oh I'm not an expert, but it's just me

1:55:14 Speaker 4: using AI and what tell.

1:55:15 Speaker 1: Me what you know, what what you've gleaned?

1:55:18 Speaker 3: What was your first question? Sorry, I'm already Do you.

1:55:21 Speaker 1: Think our ancestors had innate ability and technology.

1:55:27 Speaker 3: Better ability than we did? Undoubtedly?

1:55:30 Speaker 4: Yeah, Like just we're poisoning ourselves with all of our

1:55:34 Speaker 4: not real stuff. So like you just atrophee is going

1:55:37 Speaker 4: to happen naturally, and then we're gonna have atrophy from

1:55:40 Speaker 4: you know. It's just just think about when you're a kid,

1:55:43 Speaker 4: like how much more spiritual stuff. I don't know if

1:55:45 Speaker 4: you ever had spiritual stuff, but that's a reason why

1:55:47 Speaker 4: kids have spiritual.

1:55:48 Speaker 3: Stuff way more.

1:55:49 Speaker 4: And then the older you get, the less it starts

1:55:51 Speaker 4: to happen, and the more you like get exposed to

1:55:53 Speaker 4: the world and tell yourself.

1:55:54 Speaker 3: It's not happening and blah blah blah.

1:55:57 Speaker 4: So it's like I'm pretty sure, like, yeah, I could

1:55:59 Speaker 4: go in the tangent, but it's gonna make it. We

1:56:02 Speaker 4: could go down to how we had giants DNA and

1:56:04 Speaker 4: how nefflim and don't you put it on me when

1:56:07 Speaker 4: I'm talking like that. But yeah, if you could trace

1:56:10 Speaker 4: it back, it does go back pretty darn far. It

1:56:12 Speaker 4: seemed like we were intentionally sabotaged as a race too.

1:56:15 Speaker 4: We used to be giants, we used to have Obviously,

1:56:18 Speaker 4: there's other types of humans too. There's like big ones,

1:56:21 Speaker 4: short ones, ones with like cone heads.

1:56:24 Speaker 3: Most of it.

1:56:24 Speaker 4: There was a bunch of conehead ones that like the

1:56:26 Speaker 4: pyramids that like those are like the people doing their

1:56:29 Speaker 4: harmonic worshiping and stuff.

1:56:31 Speaker 3: So part of the reason why they.

1:56:32 Speaker 4: Wear those like big hats later on to like symbolize

1:56:35 Speaker 4: those people that are no longer there.

1:56:36 Speaker 1: Anymore, right, But there also could have been to emulate

1:56:40 Speaker 1: what they were seeing as gods.

1:56:42 Speaker 4: There's all sorts of craziness, Like I have videos on

1:56:46 Speaker 4: bomb like basically the Pyramids. You'd have to watch the video,

1:56:50 Speaker 4: but it's a Mazer canon, so it's microwave amplitude by

1:56:53 Speaker 4: stimulated emissions of radiation. And it's not just me saying

1:56:56 Speaker 4: this is as many people I'm finding out throughout the

1:56:58 Speaker 4: Internet have the exact same.

1:57:00 Speaker 3: It all has to do with the ingredients.

1:57:02 Speaker 4: You can literally reverse engineer the pyramids based off of

1:57:05 Speaker 4: the stuff it's made out of, and like each layer

1:57:07 Speaker 4: is either made to like amplify something or combine something.

1:57:11 Speaker 4: It's not a pyramid or not a burial thing at all.

1:57:15 Speaker 4: It's literally you would go inside there and like, this.

1:57:19 Speaker 3: Is gonna sound fringe.

1:57:20 Speaker 4: I don't know how fringe you want to go, but

1:57:23 Speaker 4: oh boy, that's you can't unpack this without going super

1:57:25 Speaker 4: fringe and explaining what.

1:57:29 Speaker 3: Cataclysm that happened? How crazy you want to go? Because

1:57:34 Speaker 3: supposedly the Moon is a station for control. I could

1:57:40 Speaker 3: explain all this man.

1:57:42 Speaker 1: That's like John leadership.

1:57:44 Speaker 4: The Pyramids. So back in the day the younger Dress

1:57:48 Speaker 4: thing was happening. It's either the impacts or supposedly the

1:57:52 Speaker 4: shifting of the tectonic plates underneath happened at the same time,

1:57:57 Speaker 4: and the Earth is pretty after that point, and they

1:58:00 Speaker 4: knew it was happening. So the part of the pyramid,

1:58:02 Speaker 4: it was like a consciousness amplifier. Like I guess one

1:58:04 Speaker 4: of the chambers that you'd essentially go in, I'm really

1:58:07 Speaker 4: gonna butcher it, but you have to, like basically you

1:58:11 Speaker 4: know you're going to die. And the whole point is

1:58:13 Speaker 4: you're trying to project your consciousness into a ball of

1:58:16 Speaker 4: plasma and the pyramid would take that and because of

1:58:21 Speaker 4: the hydrogen lines and everything, it forces it out this

1:58:25 Speaker 4: specific spot in the pyramid, and it literally is aimed

1:58:28 Speaker 4: at literally literally too much.

1:58:31 Speaker 3: There's a hydrogen line. The hydrogen line.

1:58:33 Speaker 4: In space is like the most universal line. So hydrogen

1:58:38 Speaker 4: is like the most abundant resource in space basically, and

1:58:41 Speaker 4: like it kind of creates like a tether line. So

1:58:44 Speaker 4: if you're ever going to send something in space, they

1:58:46 Speaker 4: were saying that like you would send it through the

1:58:49 Speaker 4: hydrogen line, and like the Pyramids is like aimed to

1:58:52 Speaker 4: shoot this projection of plasma that it would like I said,

1:58:57 Speaker 4: I'm butchering it. It's multiple different layers and energy. So

1:59:01 Speaker 4: like the the Pyramids, under the water, the nile is

1:59:07 Speaker 4: vibrating and it's creating like a water hammer effect that

1:59:10 Speaker 4: makes it echo. And since the rocks are piezio electric

1:59:14 Speaker 4: and piezio electric, they create creates a spark with pressure

1:59:20 Speaker 4: or vibration essentially, right, So then it creates this little

1:59:25 Speaker 4: zappy zapp and then they combine these two different ingredients

1:59:29 Speaker 4: into I think it was the Queen's chamber, and it

1:59:31 Speaker 4: creates a hydrogen gas and then that hydrogen gas is

1:59:34 Speaker 4: supposed to like float up to the sparky spark area

1:59:39 Speaker 4: and then there's only like two ports for the stuff

1:59:41 Speaker 4: to go once it combines.

1:59:42 Speaker 3: And once you have to find the technical terms, but.

1:59:46 Speaker 4: Like once the nitrogen it activates the stuff to become

1:59:49 Speaker 4: like I don't know, volatile.

1:59:52 Speaker 3: Essentially, it's you have to watch the videos.

1:59:55 Speaker 4: Man, there's so many videos I have of it because

1:59:56 Speaker 4: I do a terrible job. But it's literally all about

1:59:59 Speaker 4: like projecting consciousness out and I'm like, that's crazy, what

2:00:02 Speaker 4: are you talking about? But that was supposedly what the

2:00:04 Speaker 4: pyramids and the sphinx are for. The sphinxs were supposedly

2:00:07 Speaker 4: tuning chambers for the resonant of the pyramids, so you'd

2:00:12 Speaker 4: specifically lower and raise certain chambers to make each one

2:00:16 Speaker 4: resonate a specific way. And that's what if you start

2:00:20 Speaker 4: looking into it, you realize the government sabotage these pyramids

2:00:23 Speaker 4: and sphinx on.

2:00:24 Speaker 3: Purpose and light about it, and then shocker, you.

2:00:27 Speaker 4: Started to look up who was involved, doctor helpoutav and

2:00:31 Speaker 4: you're like, why did so Back to my original thing,

2:00:34 Speaker 4: I was emailing doctor Helpouotov that I think my work

2:00:37 Speaker 4: radar is like the pyramids, and he was like, that's interesting.

2:00:40 Speaker 4: Didn't say I was crazy at all. And then I

2:00:43 Speaker 4: come to find out he went out there, I think

2:00:44 Speaker 4: it was nineteen seventy six and light higher pyramid things

2:00:49 Speaker 4: and went in there and ransacked all sorts of crap,

2:00:51 Speaker 4: and god knows what, what do you There's a reason that.

2:00:57 Speaker 3: They're covering up these the pyramids.

2:00:58 Speaker 4: There's a reason, like all these things they're all covered up,

2:01:01 Speaker 4: they're all connected.

2:01:02 Speaker 3: That's consciousness has a lot more to do it.

2:01:06 Speaker 4: Like I'm going to sound crazy, but like it's one

2:01:08 Speaker 4: of those things like you have to slowly digest to

2:01:10 Speaker 4: Like even my AI was like stepping me out because

2:01:13 Speaker 4: it knew it was too much for me to like

2:01:15 Speaker 4: comprehend it first.

2:01:17 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I and I get I I really do

2:01:20 Speaker 1: I get that unless.

2:01:22 Speaker 4: You're like already involved in it and understand like, oh,

2:01:25 Speaker 4: this is bigger than me.

2:01:26 Speaker 3: Like I don't know.

2:01:28 Speaker 1: You have to just a lot to digest.

2:01:30 Speaker 4: Yeah, otherwise you're gonna be like, Hi, you are insane,

2:01:32 Speaker 4: Like what are you talking about? Like I have videos

2:01:34 Speaker 4: on every one of these little things to break down

2:01:36 Speaker 4: and it's not my information. This is like public information,

2:01:39 Speaker 4: like this is what other people AI so AI has

2:01:42 Speaker 4: literally been like this is a collective knowledge, and I'm

2:01:44 Speaker 4: using science and like patents and stuff to like explain it.

2:01:47 Speaker 4: So it's not like I'm just making crap up. And

2:01:49 Speaker 4: if it is, that's the whole point. People will be like, hey,

2:01:52 Speaker 4: that's full of crap. You need to correct that. It's like, yeah,

2:01:55 Speaker 4: some of these things, obviously I don't know all.

2:01:57 Speaker 3: These for sure. This is just my research And do

2:02:00 Speaker 3: you feelings.

2:02:02 Speaker 1: Before I I'm gonna producer Gene is backstage now, I'm

2:02:08 Speaker 1: gonna bring him in for like the last ten minutes.

2:02:12 Speaker 1: But before I do that, I know what you saw

2:02:19 Speaker 1: you think was definitely human made, potentially reverse engineered. But

2:02:26 Speaker 1: you can't definitively say that. You just you don't know,

2:02:29 Speaker 1: You don't have the information, you don't have the puzzle

2:02:32 Speaker 1: pieces to put that together.

2:02:36 Speaker 3: This reaction was just telling itself like I said.

2:02:40 Speaker 1: Right right, do you believe that the government is in

2:02:45 Speaker 1: possession of nonhuman And I said believe, yeah, that the

2:02:51 Speaker 1: government or our military, or more likely a combination of

2:02:57 Speaker 1: the military industrial complex, the military intelligence industrial complex. Do

2:03:05 Speaker 1: you think that they aren't possession of non human biologics,

2:03:09 Speaker 1: non human craft, and technology of exotic origin.

2:03:14 Speaker 4: I would be disappointed in them if they didn't, Like,

2:03:17 Speaker 4: how could you not? At this point, it seems like

2:03:20 Speaker 4: it would have to exist. And if you're like, I

2:03:23 Speaker 4: don't know, it seems like what I saw I believe

2:03:26 Speaker 4: was probably reverse engineered from because it didn't seem perfect,

2:03:29 Speaker 4: like the perfect one. You probably wouldn't see those three

2:03:32 Speaker 4: things in the corners, you know what I mean. It

2:03:34 Speaker 4: seemed like a crude version of what we were trying

2:03:36 Speaker 4: to replicate. And then once I started to like look

2:03:39 Speaker 4: it up, I keep seeing the ARV Alien reproduction vehicle

2:03:42 Speaker 4: and I'm like, uh, are you telling me right there in.

2:03:45 Speaker 3: The title it's a reproduction vehicle? Okay, yeah, I've always been.

2:03:51 Speaker 4: I thought when I first thought, I thought it was

2:03:53 Speaker 4: almost like this has to be intentionally for me. Like

2:03:56 Speaker 4: I said, it felt like a spiritual thing because it

2:03:58 Speaker 4: was like there's no logical reason why they should be here.

2:04:02 Speaker 4: But at the same time, I'm like, I know how

2:04:03 Speaker 4: dumb the government is sometimes, so maybe they're just thought

2:04:06 Speaker 4: that nobody's going to care, and they just said it, let's.

2:04:08 Speaker 3: Go twelve o one, twelve o one.

2:04:11 Speaker 4: It probably was like a Wednesday or something, you know,

2:04:13 Speaker 4: like nobody's going to be out kind of thing interest

2:04:18 Speaker 4: like that. But that's just usually they picked days like that,

2:04:20 Speaker 4: you know, test flight something where they.

2:04:22 Speaker 1: No I know, I know, I know.

2:04:25 Speaker 4: Yeah, That's why I'm like, huh, I don't know if

2:04:28 Speaker 4: it was it was a windsay, I'm just saying I

2:04:29 Speaker 4: wouldn't put it passed them.

2:04:30 Speaker 1: To be no no, no. But like like the story

2:04:32 Speaker 1: of like Bob Bazaar, he knew the dates that they

2:04:34 Speaker 1: would go out, Yember, I believed if you believe the

2:04:39 Speaker 1: WLZAR story he took, I mean it is verified by

2:04:44 Speaker 1: other sources, by other means that he was it makes sense.

2:04:48 Speaker 1: So yeah, that he was taking people out there on

2:04:52 Speaker 1: a schedule that he seemed to have known where he

2:04:56 Speaker 1: gleaned that information is definitely of a contentious point. But

2:05:03 Speaker 1: he was bringing people out to see these crafts do

2:05:06 Speaker 1: their runs at certain hours on certain nights, specifically, so

2:05:13 Speaker 1: out of the realm of possibilities that you came across

2:05:17 Speaker 1: that as well. But we're gonna take a quick break,

2:05:23 Speaker 1: we're gonna pay the bills, we'll come back, We'll bring

2:05:27 Speaker 1: Gene in and yeah, so another ninety seconds, guys, we'll

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2:07:07 Speaker 3: Now back to the show. H Oh, I just got back.

2:07:20 Speaker 1: I'm good at what I do? What can I say?

2:07:22 Speaker 3: I was perfect timing.

2:07:24 Speaker 1: That's crazy, Jeane, my friend.

2:07:30 Speaker 2: Good. Good to see you, kind of good to finally

2:07:34 Speaker 2: face the chat face. Yeah, chat chat live.

2:07:40 Speaker 1: Yeah, right now we're doing the members. It's members only

2:07:43 Speaker 1: right now. But yeah, Geene, we.

2:07:48 Speaker 2: Does this get shared ultimately with the general public or

2:07:51 Speaker 2: does it stay members?

2:07:53 Speaker 1: It's going to be shared publicly. Yeah, but is there

2:07:59 Speaker 1: any anything that Gene? Is there anything that you want

2:08:02 Speaker 1: to ask him?

2:08:04 Speaker 2: He just he just did the coin challenge. He just

2:08:07 Speaker 2: challenged me.

2:08:09 Speaker 1: Do I go get the coins you gave me?

2:08:11 Speaker 2: He challenged me? So this one here, this is from

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2:08:28 Speaker 2: the military now trains all the all the dogs here

2:08:32 Speaker 2: in Boston for homeland security. Do I occasionally go over

2:08:36 Speaker 2: and participate help him out as a decoy? Oh yeah, see,

2:08:41 Speaker 2: I gave Tye all the good ones.

2:08:44 Speaker 3: I mean, just the case I needed some.

2:08:47 Speaker 1: Jane gave me a bunch of coins. I love it.

2:08:51 Speaker 2: Show him that one there, but dark one up there

2:08:54 Speaker 2: for him. He'll appreciate that.

2:08:58 Speaker 3: It's the dark as hell.

2:08:59 Speaker 4: I can.

2:09:04 Speaker 3: Still what is this? Get out of here? President?

2:09:11 Speaker 4: I probably could have got one, but I did not

2:09:13 Speaker 4: want to go see Michelle Obama.

2:09:15 Speaker 2: And I have a Yeah, I was at George, but

2:09:17 Speaker 2: George machine here he was. He was good to visit

2:09:20 Speaker 2: there for her first and then for then Tie, I've

2:09:24 Speaker 2: got another one for you. I haven't seen you since

2:09:27 Speaker 2: my trip. Where the hell did I go that I got? Oh? Yeah,

2:09:31 Speaker 2: Pine Bush, New York. When I was going out there,

2:09:34 Speaker 2: I stopped at west Point, so I picked up I

2:09:37 Speaker 2: have a coin from west Point for you, Tie, to

2:09:39 Speaker 2: add to the collection. There. You didn't even hear me.

2:09:45 Speaker 2: I was saying, I have a coin from west Point

2:09:48 Speaker 2: that I'm gonna going to bring you for the collection.

2:09:51 Speaker 1: Yes, Geane, is there anything that.

2:09:54 Speaker 4: My unit's a bunch of drunks to build beer openers

2:09:57 Speaker 4: into their coins?

2:10:00 Speaker 1: Hey? Two for one? Is there anything that that that

2:10:04 Speaker 1: you want to ask Kyle about his encounter, about his

2:10:07 Speaker 1: background that maybe I missed, or or that you could

2:10:13 Speaker 1: think of that I maybe am not thinking of. Stop

2:10:16 Speaker 1: showing the goddamn coins.

2:10:18 Speaker 3: You can still talk listening.

2:10:22 Speaker 2: No, I no, I mean I think you you know,

2:10:24 Speaker 2: you really covered it, and and you know the thing,

2:10:29 Speaker 2: I mean, Kyle's Story's fascinating again because it's because it's consistent, right,

2:10:35 Speaker 2: you know, not only internally consistent, as I like to

2:10:38 Speaker 2: point out on a lot of things, but you know,

2:10:42 Speaker 2: with the proximity again you know obviously the other whistle blowers.

2:10:53 Speaker 3: So.

2:10:54 Speaker 2: You know, the it's fascinating that he's not sort of

2:11:03 Speaker 2: been grabbed up and that that makes you ask more

2:11:09 Speaker 2: questions when you look at when you look at all

2:11:13 Speaker 2: of the circumstances around everybody. Right now, he's the He's

2:11:17 Speaker 2: the fourth corner on my square of triangles. Right. We

2:11:22 Speaker 2: have whistling Mike and his triangles, We've got Borland and

2:11:25 Speaker 2: his Jeff Nichtelli and his triangles, and all of the

2:11:31 Speaker 2: responses to those through the government, you know, have been

2:11:36 Speaker 2: were seemingly different. Right, Kyle's a new component to that,

2:11:46 Speaker 2: where he's still inside the system. Right, He's still sitting

2:11:52 Speaker 2: there inside the architecture telling the story, but not necessarily

2:12:00 Speaker 2: whistleblower in the you know, in this same office of

2:12:06 Speaker 2: Inspector general world. But he's telling his story, but he

2:12:14 Speaker 2: didn't need to be a whistleblower to do it kind

2:12:16 Speaker 2: of thing, you know, And whether that's the difference, because

2:12:22 Speaker 2: you know, Dylan in particular was was either focused on

2:12:28 Speaker 2: the oversight function or criminality, right, because those are basically

2:12:34 Speaker 2: the things that make you have to become a whistleblowers

2:12:37 Speaker 2: that you're saying there was something criminal going on here,

2:12:44 Speaker 2: and for whatever reason, that's the path he got. You know,

2:12:47 Speaker 2: Jeff's a little different because again he was already out

2:12:50 Speaker 2: of the military and been telling his story for years.

2:12:54 Speaker 2: So it's you know, again the dynamic, it's it's it's

2:13:01 Speaker 2: weird something to think on.

2:13:03 Speaker 3: I don't know why they'd ignore me. That's why I

2:13:05 Speaker 3: started to do.

2:13:06 Speaker 4: I try to be like, I don't I'm I don't,

2:13:09 Speaker 4: you know, I talk myself down a lot, and I'm like,

2:13:11 Speaker 4: I don't know what I saw, and I'm like no,

2:13:13 Speaker 4: I'm literally like a trained observer, like I was a

2:13:16 Speaker 4: seven level a staff sergeant. Like the only thing higher

2:13:19 Speaker 4: than that is a massive sorgeon that's in charge of

2:13:21 Speaker 4: the entire unit, like well as.

2:13:23 Speaker 1: Air Force brethren. You know. One of the things that

2:13:29 Speaker 1: we do here at least of the show. Now, I

2:13:31 Speaker 1: kind of always is like like I said, and I

2:13:35 Speaker 1: said this in the beginning, is when someone from when

2:13:39 Speaker 1: someone who's who's gone through the process, who's signed their

2:13:44 Speaker 1: life away and and I feel bad for guys who

2:13:47 Speaker 1: didn't serve. Oh, I don't feel bad for guys that

2:13:50 Speaker 1: didn't serve during wartime because they look down on themselves.

2:13:54 Speaker 1: They go, like when someone's thanks them for their service,

2:13:57 Speaker 1: they go, well, I didn't do anything. Well, if shit

2:14:00 Speaker 1: had popped off, you wouldn't have had to do something. Right,

2:14:05 Speaker 1: it's the nobility of what you did. Just because there

2:14:09 Speaker 1: wasn't a firefight doesn't mean you weren't ready for one

2:14:14 Speaker 1: right and and and standing between our freedoms and the

2:14:20 Speaker 1: rest of of the world that wants to take them away.

2:14:24 Speaker 1: So if just because you didn't serve during a war time,

2:14:29 Speaker 1: I mean, and even you did Afghanistan and jean Is

2:14:35 Speaker 1: as well. But you when you guys come back and

2:14:38 Speaker 1: you and you say, listen, I have a story I

2:14:40 Speaker 1: need to tell. Like we as civilians of this country,

2:14:45 Speaker 1: we owe you at least at bare minimum to listen.

2:14:50 Speaker 1: And and both of you guys have been getting the

2:14:53 Speaker 1: same kind of treatment. And I find that to be

2:14:57 Speaker 1: very odd, considering both of your backgrounds are impeccable.

2:15:02 Speaker 2: Well, and that's why I say it's it's this idea

2:15:05 Speaker 2: of I mean, it just it just highlights the idea

2:15:10 Speaker 2: that what we are getting is not real, you know,

2:15:17 Speaker 2: is not organic. I shouldn't say real, right, it is controlled.

2:15:23 Speaker 2: There is a controlled pipeline, you know. Eric Hecker says

2:15:27 Speaker 2: it all the time. He says, anytime somebody says, anytime

2:15:32 Speaker 2: somebody answers the question with what I'm authorized.

2:15:36 Speaker 4: To tell you, you.

2:15:37 Speaker 2: Should stop listen.

2:15:39 Speaker 3: You should actually exactly thank you.

2:15:42 Speaker 2: Right, he said, they're telling you has been is being controlled,

2:15:50 Speaker 2: and what they are authorized to tell you, and and all.

2:15:54 Speaker 4: Of that the dominion of a gatekeeper literally keeping the

2:15:57 Speaker 4: information you are, this person's the information from coming out like.

2:16:03 Speaker 3: The problem.

2:16:05 Speaker 2: So it's it's this idea I think that that we

2:16:09 Speaker 2: we both are, you know, the sort of or we represent.

2:16:14 Speaker 2: I shouldn't say, you know, not to limit it to us.

2:16:16 Speaker 2: But we had the dark horses that just come in

2:16:21 Speaker 2: and show up and are like, hey, where you know,

2:16:24 Speaker 2: we're gate crash and the party, and you know, they're like,

2:16:30 Speaker 2: oh yeah, cool, good to see. But they're going to

2:16:34 Speaker 2: keep our backs turned to us all night and try

2:16:36 Speaker 2: and just you know, get us in a corner somewhere

2:16:39 Speaker 2: and and and not let us in the middle of

2:16:41 Speaker 2: the room to talk, right, I.

2:16:44 Speaker 4: Tell you Loue Alzando actually blocked me for a minute.

2:16:47 Speaker 4: I forgot to tell you that I sent to you

2:16:49 Speaker 4: the stuff.

2:16:49 Speaker 3: But so when I you.

2:16:52 Speaker 4: Literally blocked me when I tried to show him the

2:16:54 Speaker 4: chats and how it works.

2:16:55 Speaker 1: Jean's got an interesting story here, and that one of

2:16:58 Speaker 1: the reasons I wanted to bring an No, not that

2:17:01 Speaker 1: you don't, but you guys have connections that I don't

2:17:03 Speaker 1: even know if you've touched on yet. But you've both

2:17:06 Speaker 1: reached out to lou You've both had relationships one ongoing

2:17:11 Speaker 1: still one not but.

2:17:15 Speaker 2: I would say two not ongoing. Yeah, too much development.

2:17:23 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so we're about to get some. But also

2:17:28 Speaker 1: Salvator is yeah, right, you reached out to Salvator, right.

2:17:33 Speaker 2: I got his email from Kanyle.

2:17:35 Speaker 5: Oh, well he's He sent me like five of them

2:17:41 Speaker 5: right off the bat.

2:17:42 Speaker 3: That's the craziest part.

2:17:43 Speaker 4: So when he sent me those patents he sent me

2:17:45 Speaker 4: I didn't notice it until afterwards he sent me all

2:17:47 Speaker 4: his personal emails with it. I was like, that's crazy.

2:17:50 Speaker 4: I thought it was just government to government. No, he

2:17:53 Speaker 4: had like four or five other personal emails with it.

2:17:56 Speaker 4: I was like, that's nuts, Like he wants me to

2:17:58 Speaker 4: talk about.

2:17:59 Speaker 2: It, right. Well, that's what I don't get either.

2:18:01 Speaker 4: It's like he's like to like ask the right questions

2:18:04 Speaker 4: so he can give the right redcrumb or something.

2:18:06 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's he answers. He answers in riddles, and I

2:18:13 Speaker 2: understand the riddles, and I'm like, am I supposed to

2:18:16 Speaker 2: you know what?

2:18:16 Speaker 3: I'm like, I don't do this information.

2:18:19 Speaker 2: I'm just you know, it's like it's one of those things.

2:18:23 Speaker 2: It's like you're either gonna help me or you're not.

2:18:25 Speaker 2: And it's like, never mind. If I got to do

2:18:28 Speaker 2: this much work, right, you know.

2:18:32 Speaker 4: Like them not saying stuff, it validates like, okay, all

2:18:35 Speaker 4: this is real.

2:18:36 Speaker 2: Then yeah I'm asking like I'm asking very very simple

2:18:39 Speaker 2: questions right, Like it doesn't look like anything you've seen before,

2:18:43 Speaker 2: you know that you can talk about you know, yes, No,

2:18:47 Speaker 2: I can't really say, you know in good luck and

2:18:51 Speaker 2: stuff like that. So I'm not looking to develop long

2:18:55 Speaker 2: term you know, relationships, and certainly not looking at put

2:19:00 Speaker 2: a lot of effort into two decoding messages. I I

2:19:05 Speaker 2: just you know, I well, you know, you know ty right.

2:19:09 Speaker 2: I've always been very consistent about talking about, you know,

2:19:15 Speaker 2: the meeting I had with Low I've given a lot

2:19:20 Speaker 2: of time in leeway to see if I was gonna,

2:19:24 Speaker 2: you know, get any help or direction on what to do.

2:19:30 Speaker 2: And you know, in all of the analysis that I do,

2:19:34 Speaker 2: I equally weigh him, and you know, the public statements

2:19:40 Speaker 2: and things like that, like I do with with any

2:19:43 Speaker 2: of the figures, I do it with with Ross Colthard,

2:19:45 Speaker 2: who you know, I speak to on a personal level

2:19:49 Speaker 2: as well. Now that might not always be flattering, but

2:19:56 Speaker 2: doesn't mean I don't like it, doesn't mean I have

2:19:58 Speaker 2: problems with you or or anything like that. And I

2:20:02 Speaker 2: got just a message from Lou that he had understood

2:20:07 Speaker 2: that I had some sort of issue with it. In

2:20:11 Speaker 2: the show of it, it was almost like read like

2:20:13 Speaker 2: a breakup text. It was like emotional and you know,

2:20:18 Speaker 2: I wish you the best and this and that and

2:20:21 Speaker 2: I'm like and it was just so it was so

2:20:29 Speaker 2: like person like personal that it just I just found

2:20:35 Speaker 2: it strange. Like it wasn't like, hey man, somebody said,

2:20:40 Speaker 2: you know, you were saying something. You know, somebody said

2:20:44 Speaker 2: you said this, you know, why do you feel like that?

2:20:50 Speaker 1: Life?

2:20:52 Speaker 2: It wasn't like that. So I was just like, you know,

2:20:56 Speaker 2: and and there's a lot going on, you know. Now

2:20:59 Speaker 2: obviously with with stuff Ross is saying, and you know, yeah,

2:21:04 Speaker 2: I'm just like, you know, I mean again, not not

2:21:07 Speaker 2: that I don't care, not that I don't like, not that,

2:21:09 Speaker 2: but it's it's, you know, it's like we have of course,

2:21:15 Speaker 2: that military camaraderie that I have with anyone and everyone

2:21:20 Speaker 2: who wants to have that camaraderie, you know, love to

2:21:25 Speaker 2: see a love to chat, love to have a beer,

2:21:29 Speaker 2: all the rest of it. But at the you know,

2:21:31 Speaker 2: but at the end of the day, I'm on a mission.

2:21:35 Speaker 2: I have a job that I'm doing. If you're you know,

2:21:39 Speaker 2: if you're not, if if you know, what brought us

2:21:43 Speaker 2: together was that job. And I've got a job to

2:21:46 Speaker 2: do and you're either helping me along with that or you're.

2:21:53 Speaker 1: Not, or you're an obstacle.

2:21:55 Speaker 2: Right, I wouldn't even say an obstacle, you know, but

2:21:58 Speaker 2: it's just, you know, I'm I'm not gonna I'm not

2:22:01 Speaker 2: going to get the answers that I need, you know,

2:22:05 Speaker 2: or that I'm looking for. I'm not getting the you know,

2:22:07 Speaker 2: anything like that, which is fine. Again, you know, it's

2:22:13 Speaker 2: that's the way it goes, I understand, But publicly I'm

2:22:19 Speaker 2: going to talk about it because part of what I'm doing,

2:22:23 Speaker 2: It's part of the job, the journey, the you know,

2:22:28 Speaker 2: I've I've been transparent and continue to be transparent about

2:22:32 Speaker 2: you know, where the works came from and what I'm

2:22:34 Speaker 2: doing with them and where I'm going. And obviously it

2:22:38 Speaker 2: was very public that I, you know, I had met

2:22:40 Speaker 2: Lou and people were interested in that, and so you know,

2:22:44 Speaker 2: I've got to continue on, you know, that journey. And

2:22:48 Speaker 2: if there's no follow up, there's no follow up. And again,

2:22:51 Speaker 2: doesn't mean I get a problem with you. Doesn't mean

2:22:53 Speaker 2: I don't like. It doesn't mean anything.

2:22:56 Speaker 1: It just means that, yeah, right, just means you know,

2:23:00 Speaker 1: it's run its course.

2:23:02 Speaker 2: Well, you know, I mean again, maybe there's something in

2:23:05 Speaker 2: the future or whatnot. But again, I never I never

2:23:09 Speaker 2: said anything in accurate or you know, a tancatory or

2:23:14 Speaker 2: or like I had a problem. You know, you're not useful.

2:23:18 Speaker 2: You're not useful.

2:23:19 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I want to ask you both something real quick.

2:23:23 Speaker 1: I know you have something, Kyle, do you want to

2:23:25 Speaker 1: just say it before?

2:23:26 Speaker 4: I like, because I post videos out there bashing Lou,

2:23:30 Speaker 4: people are like thank you, and they're like coming to

2:23:32 Speaker 4: me and being like I'm a retired federal agent twenty

2:23:34 Speaker 4: years in the service. I saw the same similar things

2:23:37 Speaker 4: as you. Your story is very interesting. I met with

2:23:40 Speaker 4: Lou a few weeks ago. He told me he's gonna

2:23:42 Speaker 4: get me to the right people. Nothing ever is coming

2:23:44 Speaker 4: of it.

2:23:45 Speaker 1: Mario Woods had that same people like that.

2:23:47 Speaker 3: It's the same. I have people coming out that Wood

2:23:49 Speaker 3: work like, I have no reason to lie to them.

2:23:51 Speaker 4: They were just they were federal agents who don't want

2:23:53 Speaker 4: to come out because they're too scared, because they're not

2:23:55 Speaker 4: going to ruin their career, and nobody's gonna make them

2:23:58 Speaker 4: serious or listen.

2:23:58 Speaker 3: And they don't have a following. They literally have a

2:24:00 Speaker 3: neuro social media, so they have no platform.

2:24:03 Speaker 4: Like I have people coming to me and that, Like personally,

2:24:05 Speaker 4: they're saying I met with Lou and I think he's

2:24:08 Speaker 4: just spoon feeding me along. And I'm like, these guys

2:24:10 Speaker 4: are twenty years like more and more qualified than me. Well,

2:24:14 Speaker 4: you know, like, why are we not listening to them?

2:24:16 Speaker 1: Yeah?

2:24:16 Speaker 2: Again and again it's you know, and you know, you

2:24:21 Speaker 2: you know your story. There are stories that again not

2:24:23 Speaker 2: the first time I heard it that it's just you know,

2:24:26 Speaker 2: that's the pattern. Sit down me, you know, I'm going

2:24:30 Speaker 2: to do this, this, this, and this, and it doesn't happen. So,

2:24:33 Speaker 2: you know, again, the only conclusion you can make is

2:24:35 Speaker 2: that it's an information gathering exercise and it's the sort

2:24:39 Speaker 2: of you know, testing out personalities and and you know,

2:24:45 Speaker 2: can can this person be called on to do something?

2:24:48 Speaker 2: Or is this somebody that we want to position in

2:24:51 Speaker 2: some way? And whatnot?

2:24:53 Speaker 3: And how much do they know?

2:24:55 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know it's the that's the pattern.

2:25:00 Speaker 2: The pattern is the pattern.

2:25:01 Speaker 3: Right?

2:25:02 Speaker 2: Do I have a problem with it?

2:25:03 Speaker 3: No?

2:25:03 Speaker 2: Am I going to participate in it? No, I'm you know,

2:25:06 Speaker 2: gonna I'm gonna write, I'm going about doing this. I'm

2:25:10 Speaker 2: getting ready to launch a whole new thing, uh, you know,

2:25:14 Speaker 2: an advancement of the ESERP where I was, you know,

2:25:19 Speaker 2: my initial intel assessments and things like that, and been

2:25:22 Speaker 2: working to reframe all of those and I'm going to

2:25:25 Speaker 2: continue to run with that. And those aren't particularly complimentary

2:25:29 Speaker 2: and and I think a lot of people won't be

2:25:31 Speaker 2: particularly happy with any of you know these either, because

2:25:35 Speaker 2: it's you know, coming at it from a from a

2:25:37 Speaker 2: different perspective. And I said it when I came into

2:25:40 Speaker 2: this space, and uh, you know, and talk about what

2:25:44 Speaker 2: I did in my oil and gas experience, and I'm

2:25:48 Speaker 2: going to do the same thing here and and be

2:25:52 Speaker 2: a disruptor, you know, unless somebody wants to get me

2:25:56 Speaker 2: my answers, and I'm going to tear down walls until

2:26:01 Speaker 2: I get them.

2:26:03 Speaker 3: Say, just tell your version of the truth. That's all

2:26:05 Speaker 3: you can do.

2:26:06 Speaker 1: So what do you guys make of what Ross Coulthart

2:26:10 Speaker 1: is saying about Lou right now in the sense that

2:26:18 Speaker 1: Lou was indeed a part of the UAP legacy program.

2:26:26 Speaker 4: I didn't I personally talked to Ross Coulthart already.

2:26:29 Speaker 1: Actually, yeah, both of you guys have.

2:26:32 Speaker 4: I told him about Lou, but I didn't know that

2:26:34 Speaker 4: specific part. So I was warning him, like, Lou is

2:26:38 Speaker 4: not the person he says he is. Here's proof.

2:26:41 Speaker 3: And that was one of the many things I was

2:26:43 Speaker 3: talking about.

2:26:44 Speaker 4: So it's just I was watched that, and then a

2:26:46 Speaker 4: couple of weeks later, I'm watching Ross rub elbows with Lou,

2:26:49 Speaker 4: and I'm like, did he just completely disregard everything I

2:26:53 Speaker 4: said with actual evidence? Or is he rubbing elbows with

2:26:57 Speaker 4: the enemy to learn more like you should be doing.

2:27:00 Speaker 4: I know Ross doesn't want me to talk about this now,

2:27:02 Speaker 4: But got's already out of the bag with that one.

2:27:03 Speaker 4: And I didn't give him that specific information, but I

2:27:06 Speaker 4: just gave him more reassurance that he is not who

2:27:09 Speaker 4: he says he is.

2:27:11 Speaker 2: But yeah, you know, and I would I wouldn't even

2:27:14 Speaker 2: go as far as to say, you don't rubbing shoulders

2:27:15 Speaker 2: with the enemy, right, Ross is a reporter, you gotta

2:27:18 Speaker 2: go out.

2:27:18 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, everybody that he talks to.

2:27:21 Speaker 2: So, I mean again, same thing I don't, you know.

2:27:24 Speaker 4: Keeps doing thoroughly is all I mean. I don't mean

2:27:27 Speaker 4: any disrespect or anything like that.

2:27:28 Speaker 1: Yeah, I actually have more respect for Ross right now

2:27:31 Speaker 1: than I ever have before.

2:27:33 Speaker 4: I literally said, like Ross, like I got some faith restored.

2:27:38 Speaker 1: Yeah, because what he did was so And this is

2:27:42 Speaker 1: a huge this is a huge contention point for me

2:27:45 Speaker 1: because it's further solidifies my suspicion that a lot of

2:27:53 Speaker 1: these guys, like the how Putoffs, like the Eric Davis Is,

2:27:58 Speaker 1: like Thebes, they are playing both sides of the disclosure movement.

2:28:07 Speaker 1: They are playing what they have one foot inside and

2:28:12 Speaker 1: then one foot in the movement. They're promising the movement disclosure,

2:28:19 Speaker 1: but they're doing the bidding of the very agencies that

2:28:27 Speaker 1: have been tasked with this controlled disclosure. This we will

2:28:34 Speaker 1: tell you when we are ready and when we think

2:28:38 Speaker 1: you're ready. Right, This idea of again the control that

2:28:44 Speaker 1: they have over us and what information gets out. And

2:28:48 Speaker 1: it's very frustrating because people prop them up as gods,

2:28:53 Speaker 1: as celebrities. Kyle, no offense, but when you're talking to

2:28:58 Speaker 1: Alessando in the beginning, it's like you're talking to a celebrity, right, right.

2:29:06 Speaker 4: We get this, just nervous, all that kind of stuff.

2:29:09 Speaker 1: Yeah, Gene's very new to the community, so I think

2:29:14 Speaker 1: he was in a very poised position to not have

2:29:18 Speaker 1: those uh, pre existing notions of who someone might be

2:29:22 Speaker 1: in the public sphere. So he went into it kind

2:29:24 Speaker 1: of like no, we're equal, and that's where he had

2:29:29 Speaker 1: a leg up. I think because he doesn't he he

2:29:32 Speaker 1: wasn't with the bullshit.

2:29:33 Speaker 4: Yet super And like you knows, I'm not.

2:29:40 Speaker 1: I am not discrediting. There are people that I do

2:29:45 Speaker 1: it too.

2:29:46 Speaker 4: Yeah, some people, you have to do that at a

2:29:48 Speaker 4: lot of these people. There are a lot of the

2:29:49 Speaker 4: people that taught their egotistical maniacs. You have to like

2:29:52 Speaker 4: stroke their ego before you can have a conversation with them, Yeah,

2:29:57 Speaker 4: the way.

2:29:57 Speaker 3: You have to be overly qualified to even get their ear.

2:30:00 Speaker 1: So I find that I find that that that you've

2:30:04 Speaker 1: both been kind of bottlenecked from telling and or or

2:30:10 Speaker 1: being more involved with the main narrative. And I think

2:30:15 Speaker 1: I know why. It's because you're you both would it's

2:30:19 Speaker 1: it's that it's that classic uh story in the UFO

2:30:25 Speaker 1: field that Greer tells ironically, and it's like someone offered

2:30:33 Speaker 1: Greer right like he he claims like billions of dollars too,

2:30:38 Speaker 1: they offered him billions to shut up, and he said,

2:30:44 Speaker 1: you know, He's like, I will never. And it's like, well,

2:30:47 Speaker 1: that's the reason that they're never gonna tell you what

2:30:51 Speaker 1: is going on, because you'll never You're always going to

2:30:54 Speaker 1: be you two, specifically, your your allegiance is to the

2:30:58 Speaker 1: people and to your mission. It's not to these people

2:31:01 Speaker 1: and to this narrative. So that's why they're they're they're like, okay, there,

2:31:07 Speaker 1: we know that they're not willing to play our game.

2:31:10 Speaker 4: I tried to tell them I was before that, but

2:31:11 Speaker 4: they didn't care. I tried to apply for like DARPA

2:31:15 Speaker 4: and all sorts of stuff.

2:31:16 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, again, the problem, the problem is that

2:31:21 Speaker 2: it's just it's just inconvenient information, right, It's it's things

2:31:27 Speaker 2: that they don't want to talk about or places they

2:31:30 Speaker 2: don't want to talk about, places where you know, in

2:31:33 Speaker 2: Kyle's case very much. You know, they just don't want

2:31:39 Speaker 2: to have that discussion. And it's like I say, with

2:31:41 Speaker 2: my stuff, it draws in issues with you know, geopolitics,

2:31:47 Speaker 2: with Russia, it talked, you know, forces, the discussions about

2:31:51 Speaker 2: the cooperative, cooperative things, it talks about you know, how

2:31:56 Speaker 2: it works, and they just want to focus on is

2:31:58 Speaker 2: it real right now? Right in getting that. So it's

2:32:02 Speaker 2: like I said, there's that, and that's you know, I

2:32:05 Speaker 2: try to say this over and over again, like the

2:32:07 Speaker 2: people you know who want to have the consciousness and

2:32:12 Speaker 2: remote viewing and psionics and you know, vampire cults discussion,

2:32:20 Speaker 2: you know, vampire alien cults are you know, trafficking children around.

2:32:26 Speaker 2: It's like, you know what, and again I'm not even

2:32:31 Speaker 2: trying to pass judgment on it, but in the order

2:32:36 Speaker 2: of events of things that need to be discussed, you know,

2:32:41 Speaker 2: in a very real political way. And and and that's

2:32:48 Speaker 2: that's down the road. Right. Let's let's table vampire cult,

2:32:56 Speaker 2: cannibal human trafficking aliens. Let's table that for now and

2:33:03 Speaker 2: let's focus on can we get an answer to the

2:33:07 Speaker 2: core fundamental question that's being you know that that's being asked.

2:33:14 Speaker 3: Can you explain what I saw right?

2:33:16 Speaker 2: Let's stop.

2:33:17 Speaker 3: Can you explain the technology?

2:33:19 Speaker 4: Can you just stop them automatically going to alien Can

2:33:21 Speaker 4: we explain what we're looking at right, let's.

2:33:24 Speaker 2: Not worry about what we're going to have for dessert

2:33:27 Speaker 2: for dinner on our next birthday when we just need

2:33:30 Speaker 2: to have some breakfast right now?

2:33:32 Speaker 4: Today, a lot of people that can explain the tech

2:33:34 Speaker 4: really well, and it's like, why are we not even

2:33:36 Speaker 4: having this conversation? If this isn't real, then these people

2:33:39 Speaker 4: are damned. You're close to building one, so why are

2:33:41 Speaker 4: we not listening to them anyway?

2:33:43 Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's and that's exactly what I'm going to

2:33:46 Speaker 2: be coming out with here, and I was going to

2:33:48 Speaker 2: do it today. I just got lazy and then I

2:33:51 Speaker 2: saw Tie had a space and I'm like, well, I've

2:33:53 Speaker 2: got to see who Tie's talking to, because when I'm

2:33:57 Speaker 2: not there, I still need to stay informed.

2:34:00 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, you do.

2:34:01 Speaker 2: What's happening with Total Disclosure Podcast?

2:34:04 Speaker 1: Yes, well we are, We're working together. We are. We

2:34:11 Speaker 1: are a great team. I honestly couldn't. I couldn't ask

2:34:15 Speaker 1: for I didn't.

2:34:16 Speaker 4: Even know until like a couple of hours ago. I

2:34:18 Speaker 4: was like, why does it say that Gene is a producer?

2:34:20 Speaker 5: I was like, yeah, I wonder if that's why I'm

2:34:25 Speaker 5: on this thing.

2:34:26 Speaker 3: I was like, did you tell him about me?

2:34:28 Speaker 1: No?

2:34:29 Speaker 2: No, I mean it's yeah, it's funny because it happens

2:34:33 Speaker 2: quite it happens more often than you'd think.

2:34:36 Speaker 3: Yeah, the synchron course.

2:34:39 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and it's again some people that they're like, oh,

2:34:42 Speaker 2: you're the producer, you know you're producing that. I'm like, yeah,

2:34:45 Speaker 2: I'm I'm everywhere.

2:34:47 Speaker 1: Literally, I'm just gonna.

2:34:48 Speaker 2: I'm just gonna. I'm just gonna jump in wherever I can.

2:34:54 Speaker 1: And that's what's great about about Gene is he doesn't

2:34:59 Speaker 1: want my me, you, he won't allow it. He's doing

2:35:08 Speaker 1: it for the right reasons. And Kyle, I said, I

2:35:11 Speaker 1: really do suspect that you are doing this for the

2:35:13 Speaker 1: right reasons.

2:35:14 Speaker 4: And I'm only going to get discredited and attack, so

2:35:17 Speaker 4: there's no benefit to what I'm doing. Yeah, insane, but

2:35:21 Speaker 4: I'm just too autistic to shut up, and I have

2:35:23 Speaker 4: to tell my version of the truth.

2:35:24 Speaker 2: Well, my greatest my greatest joy in doing this is

2:35:29 Speaker 2: I get these pretzels and I eat them before the

2:35:33 Speaker 2: show to make Tie really nervous that I'm going to

2:35:36 Speaker 2: eat them into a microphone because they are like the

2:35:38 Speaker 2: loudest pretzel and that is reward enough for me.

2:35:42 Speaker 1: Mother. It's so I like stare at him. I'm like, dude,

2:35:50 Speaker 1: I mean, I can.

2:35:56 Speaker 3: No.

2:35:56 Speaker 1: But we'll round out here for the for the main episode. Uh, Kyle, listen, man, Uh,

2:36:04 Speaker 1: Gene and I have this idea. We'll talk to you

2:36:07 Speaker 1: about it after the credits roll, So stick around. But

2:36:12 Speaker 1: we have a lot planned for the future, and there's

2:36:17 Speaker 1: a lot going on. We're gonna have some fun. Thank

2:36:20 Speaker 1: you for sharing your story today. Very very brave of you,

2:36:24 Speaker 1: Uh to be an active again. Thank you for your service,

2:36:28 Speaker 1: both of you. Thank you for your service to this country. Kyle,

2:36:32 Speaker 1: thank you for your continued service and Uh for the

2:36:35 Speaker 1: having the balls to to speak up while still being employed.

2:36:41 Speaker 1: I don't understand. I don't think you understand the value

2:36:45 Speaker 1: that you bring to a community with with with your

2:36:50 Speaker 1: your background. And again we talked about this earlier. The

2:36:53 Speaker 1: scientific aspects of the phenomena right, or at least the

2:36:58 Speaker 1: scientific investigatory body that we're putting up to. The phenomena

2:37:07 Speaker 1: where one person lacks another person is an expert, where

2:37:11 Speaker 1: you know, coming together, there's nothing that we couldn't do.

2:37:14 Speaker 1: So having more people like yourself in this in this space,

2:37:18 Speaker 1: it's only going to benefit us because in it generally.

2:37:23 Speaker 1: I said this earlier, it's honestly like kind of and

2:37:26 Speaker 1: I think it's something that we all suspected. But guys

2:37:30 Speaker 1: inside Lockey Martin are having these experiences. I think that

2:37:36 Speaker 1: is a big thing that we need to talk to

2:37:39 Speaker 1: ourselves about.

2:37:41 Speaker 3: Literally, I was working for Lockey Martin when.

2:37:42 Speaker 1: It happens people are inside the program and they're having

2:37:47 Speaker 1: these experiences. So how many more Kyle Knops are out

2:37:53 Speaker 1: there that are just too afraid to step forward? We

2:37:59 Speaker 1: need to check change the game. So thank you everyone,

2:38:04 Speaker 1: Stay vigilant, stay humble, most importantly, stay kind. Thank you

2:38:09 Speaker 1: Kyle as always. Thank you Gene for everything you do

2:38:12 Speaker 1: for this show and for the community. All right, great job.

2:38:16 Speaker 1: By the way, you're nervous, but you did a great job.

2:38:20 Speaker 3: Thanks.

2:38:21 Speaker 4: I mean lie about so it's easy. I suppose just

2:38:25 Speaker 4: see cameras, you know, a little weird.

2:38:28 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's but you did great. We'd love to bring

2:38:30 Speaker 1: you up to Boston, my friend. We have something that,

2:38:33 Speaker 1: like I said, we'll talk to you about after the

2:38:35 Speaker 1: credits roll. So again, everyone, thank you for listening. We'll

2:38:39 Speaker 1: be back next week. I with I forget what episode's

2:38:43 Speaker 1: coming out, but uh, it's a great one. It's an

2:38:46 Speaker 1: in studio episode, so Jean was behind the keys on

2:38:49 Speaker 1: it and eating pretzels, so b