The Experiencer FILES| UFO SIGHTING CHANGES COURSE OF A LIFE

0:13 Speaker 1: Welcome back to Total Disclosure. My name is Tai and

0:17 Speaker 1: I am the host and creator of the show. Today

0:21 Speaker 1: we had I've been up since seven a m. Thanks

0:24 Speaker 1: to our producer Jeane. We were filming a project that

0:29 Speaker 1: he's been working on for quite some time now, and

0:33 Speaker 1: I thought this was a good opportunity to sit with

0:37 Speaker 1: someone who I'd been talking to and met in the past,

0:41 Speaker 1: an experiencer. Her name is Lisa, and I wanted to

0:46 Speaker 1: bring her on today so she could tell us a

0:48 Speaker 1: little bit about her experiences with the phenomena. And you know,

0:53 Speaker 1: just with everything that's going on, I think more people

0:57 Speaker 1: do want to hear from people that are experienced this

1:00 Speaker 1: because there is a huge ontological shock that's coming right right,

1:07 Speaker 1: so people are going to look towards people like you

1:10 Speaker 1: in the future, almost like solace in a way, like, Hey,

1:14 Speaker 1: how do I get through this? Right? So tell me

1:17 Speaker 1: a little bit about you and how this journey took off.

1:22 Speaker 2: Yeah.

1:22 Speaker 3: So, I mean I'm from Rhode Island and I grew

1:25 Speaker 3: up there my whole life.

1:26 Speaker 2: I've always been in New England, and I.

1:29 Speaker 3: Think this is kind of the stomping grounds for spooky

1:32 Speaker 3: happenings in general. So I always kind of expected like

1:36 Speaker 3: a haunting or something like that in my life growing

1:40 Speaker 3: up in that area. But no, apparently not at that level.

1:47 Speaker 3: So let me let me just take a quick drive

1:50 Speaker 3: with this.

1:51 Speaker 1: Well so, okay, so, and yeah, I do agree about that.

1:54 Speaker 1: The very long tenured this is the East Coast in

2:00 Speaker 1: particular Massachusetts, in New England, you know, the New Hampshire

2:05 Speaker 1: to mass area specifically being kind of the start of

2:09 Speaker 1: the colonial world. Uh. You know, it's very storied in

2:13 Speaker 1: its history. There's so much atrocity that's happened. There's you know,

2:18 Speaker 1: things that have happened here that weren't so great, and

2:21 Speaker 1: I feel like the land is very susceptible to like

2:24 Speaker 1: this cursed echo.

2:26 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean I think human beings like when

2:30 Speaker 3: when you think about like a memory like that sticks

2:33 Speaker 3: with you even like and like you're driving by a

2:35 Speaker 3: spot in the road and you're like, oh, that's this

2:38 Speaker 3: is the place where I had that car accident or

2:41 Speaker 3: something like that. I think when it's something significant that

2:44 Speaker 3: happens to a person, I think that their spirit can

2:48 Speaker 3: absolutely reside in that in that area. For a long time,

2:52 Speaker 3: in New England, there's been you know, lots of tragedy

2:56 Speaker 3: to to to be accounted for. Fur there to be

2:59 Speaker 3: a lot of spiritual activity, and I mean maybe that's

3:04 Speaker 3: part of why there are sightings, when there are sightings

3:08 Speaker 3: for ghosts and things like that. But for me, yeah,

3:12 Speaker 3: I I was you know, I was probably around twenty

3:19 Speaker 3: one or about to be twenty one when this happened

3:24 Speaker 3: to me. I was living in like West Greinwage at

3:26 Speaker 3: the time, and that's when I had like my first

3:30 Speaker 3: like huge sighting.

3:32 Speaker 1: Really tell me what happened? Yeah, so big sighting, Like

3:36 Speaker 1: what do you mean big?

3:37 Speaker 2: So when I say big siting, I mean.

3:40 Speaker 3: I think, you know, growing up in that area, like

3:44 Speaker 3: weird things would happen, like yeah, of course, like things

3:47 Speaker 3: we would think were ghosts or like you know, I

3:50 Speaker 3: grew up around like where Mercy Brown's grave is.

3:53 Speaker 2: Are you familiar with the ground. Yeah, Like I.

3:56 Speaker 3: Had some spooky things happen when I was like volunteering

3:59 Speaker 3: and like doing stuff.

4:00 Speaker 2: There was like.

4:01 Speaker 3: Cool, but nothing that like ever really for sure was

4:04 Speaker 3: like oh I definitely saw something or like you know, everything, yeah,

4:10 Speaker 3: and everything I think up to that point up until

4:13 Speaker 3: this this thing.

4:16 Speaker 2: Kind of felt explainable.

4:18 Speaker 1: It's a good way to put it. Yeah, so tell

4:20 Speaker 1: me what start bring I want to be there.

4:23 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I'll bring you there.

4:24 Speaker 3: So so this was twenty eleven two actually sorry, twenty twelve.

4:31 Speaker 3: I am about a year out of high school. I

4:34 Speaker 3: graduated in twenty eleven. Yes, were the same age.

4:38 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's odd.

4:40 Speaker 3: So this is this is part of why I'm here

4:42 Speaker 3: with you as well. We have synchronosities. I call myself

4:50 Speaker 3: and a lot of my friends actually call me a

4:53 Speaker 3: white rabbit because I tend to lead them to a

4:57 Speaker 3: place where down the rabbit Yeah, I don't know. Oh yeah,

5:00 Speaker 3: I guess down the rabbit hole and ways and like, yeah,

5:03 Speaker 3: actually the person I was with and not everybody has

5:08 Speaker 3: the opportunity to see something really really out of the

5:13 Speaker 3: world and then have someone else to be sitting there

5:15 Speaker 3: next to you and experiencing it right at the same time.

5:18 Speaker 3: But like even her path, like she's a she's a

5:24 Speaker 3: completely trained shaman now and like it's super busy all

5:28 Speaker 3: the time, and like like it's interesting. I don't know

5:31 Speaker 3: if necessarily the sighting brought her down that path, but

5:36 Speaker 3: I'll let you know, I didn't see that coming for

5:38 Speaker 3: her because at the time she was staying with me,

5:42 Speaker 3: at my parents' house, and my mom's amazing, love my mummy,

5:47 Speaker 3: but we had we had I had a rough home

5:49 Speaker 3: life with my dad and uh at that time, Like

5:54 Speaker 3: it wasn't super bad at my house, but it was

5:56 Speaker 3: terrible at hers. So she was coming to stay with

5:59 Speaker 3: me for like few weeks, and we liked seeing going

6:03 Speaker 3: out and seeing shows. In Providence, there's like a really

6:06 Speaker 3: good music scene. Yeah, there was this place that was

6:12 Speaker 3: right off of Pine Street that was called the Spot Underground.

6:19 Speaker 3: It's no longer in existence, which is a shame, but

6:23 Speaker 3: we used to go there all the time to see

6:25 Speaker 3: live music. So I lived in it's called Mishnoc Lake

6:32 Speaker 3: Area cross Grainwage. There's a barn, like a very old

6:37 Speaker 3: barn there. There's like two ways you can kind of

6:40 Speaker 3: go in and out of this neighborhood. So for like

6:42 Speaker 3: locals hearing this story, like anyone in Firm Rhode Island

6:46 Speaker 3: that would know, like the Mishinok Lake area, there's a

6:49 Speaker 3: side we would come off and it's like the main

6:51 Speaker 3: road to Route three and there's like a convenience store

6:56 Speaker 3: or rather a liquor store.

6:59 Speaker 2: At that way to get in and out of the neighborhood.

7:02 Speaker 1: Got it.

7:02 Speaker 3: So that was where I was leaving, and so we were,

7:07 Speaker 3: you know, preparing to go to the show. Honestly, like

7:13 Speaker 3: we smoked weed, we'd party and stuff, but like at

7:16 Speaker 3: that time, totally sober, Like I just want to recall that,

7:19 Speaker 3: like like we were sober too, sober girls like going

7:23 Speaker 3: to take a ride and.

7:25 Speaker 1: You weren't going to be sober.

7:27 Speaker 2: We weren't.

7:27 Speaker 3: Yeah, we weren't going to be yeah, but we were

7:31 Speaker 3: like it like at the time, I think it was

7:32 Speaker 3: like important to especially for the times and the fact

7:37 Speaker 3: that Yeah, anyway, uh So, essentially.

7:41 Speaker 2: I leave my neighborhood.

7:43 Speaker 3: I'm on Route three and I turn left because the

7:47 Speaker 3: on ramps to the highway are to the left to

7:50 Speaker 3: go north or south on ninety five. But before the

7:53 Speaker 3: on ramps to the highway are two gas stations and

7:57 Speaker 3: the easiest one for me to go to was towards

8:00 Speaker 3: the right hand side. And so as I'm driving forward

8:06 Speaker 3: in like my my view of the mirror, like in

8:10 Speaker 3: the horizon line of the sky, so like you're driving

8:14 Speaker 3: and it's like in front of.

8:16 Speaker 1: You, you know, it's on the horizon, like the.

8:18 Speaker 3: Horizon line of the sky, like right above the horizon.

8:21 Speaker 2: Light.

8:22 Speaker 3: Like imagine just two like very large white balls of

8:25 Speaker 3: light like you're driving, and then like the left corner

8:31 Speaker 3: of the horizon, you see these two perfectly symmetrical white lights, right,

8:36 Speaker 3: big balls like almost like less I wouldn't say, like

8:40 Speaker 3: the size of the moon, smaller than the size of

8:43 Speaker 3: like seeing the moon at night.

8:45 Speaker 1: So but but closer than the moon in relation.

8:48 Speaker 3: Yes, like yeah, it looked it looked like it was

8:51 Speaker 3: hanging right over the on ramp to the highway where

8:55 Speaker 3: we were going to go.

8:56 Speaker 1: Actually, so it fell close.

8:58 Speaker 3: Yes, it fell close, and like we were looking at it,

9:01 Speaker 3: we both felt really like perplexed by what this was

9:05 Speaker 3: because where it was hovering or standing, like nothing should

9:10 Speaker 3: have been there, because like that's the on ride to

9:13 Speaker 3: the highway, so it's these lights, and we were like

9:15 Speaker 3: what is that? And I think for both of us,

9:19 Speaker 3: we were thinking Rhode Island's, you know, again the industrial

9:23 Speaker 3: revolutionary town, and there's always construction happening. So I thought

9:26 Speaker 3: maybe it was like some like power lights that they

9:31 Speaker 3: were using for construction, like near the highway, because it

9:34 Speaker 3: was right over the highway.

9:36 Speaker 1: Good, good prosaic thinking, I like where you're going.

9:40 Speaker 3: Because we're both like but we had done this drive

9:42 Speaker 3: and that's the other thing too. She had to stay

9:43 Speaker 3: at my house for two weeks and we had done

9:46 Speaker 3: the same drive to go to the same club to

9:48 Speaker 3: see different bands.

9:50 Speaker 1: Like and there's no lights? You ever saw no flight?

9:53 Speaker 3: I don't know, and like, I actually, you know, I

9:55 Speaker 3: wish i'd I want to take some daytime and I

10:00 Speaker 3: time videos of my drive that I took today, like now,

10:05 Speaker 3: and revisit this spot because I haven't been back.

10:09 Speaker 1: So what are the two balls of light? How are they?

10:14 Speaker 1: You see them? You're like probably like, oh shit, what

10:17 Speaker 1: is that? You start thinking, you know, throwing out explanations

10:20 Speaker 1: to each other. Yeah, tell me what happens next.

10:22 Speaker 2: Yeah.

10:22 Speaker 3: So the weird thing was we said, like what is that?

10:28 Speaker 3: And my friend said is that a sign? And like,

10:32 Speaker 3: as they said, is that a sign? The right white

10:36 Speaker 3: light flashed blue for a second. We both went whoa,

10:39 Speaker 3: Like I remember, we both went like whoa, what was that?

10:42 Speaker 1: That was weird?

10:43 Speaker 3: But I'm like continuing, like I'm driving and seeing this,

10:46 Speaker 3: so like this is the conversation, like right light flashes

10:51 Speaker 3: blue for a second, goes back to why then I'm like, okay,

10:54 Speaker 3: well I'm turning now. Like I need to go into

10:57 Speaker 3: this parking lot for the gas station because I need

11:00 Speaker 3: to get gas. And I go up this like little

11:01 Speaker 3: ramp and I'm like flat now in the gas station

11:05 Speaker 3: to where I can like park for a second and

11:08 Speaker 3: like look at this thing that I've been Oh.

11:10 Speaker 1: So now you're get your stationary in your.

11:12 Speaker 2: Long stationary right like.

11:15 Speaker 3: But remember I'm like going down like a long route

11:19 Speaker 3: three straightway and I'm seeing it at the left side

11:22 Speaker 3: of my horizon and now I'm turning right up the

11:26 Speaker 3: ramp into the gas ocushion, right, So now this thing

11:30 Speaker 3: would have been like yep over here, right, So like

11:33 Speaker 3: I like popped my head.

11:35 Speaker 2: She did the same thing. We popped her head out

11:37 Speaker 2: the window and I looked over there and it was gone.

11:39 Speaker 2: I was like, what the heck? Our heads were still

11:41 Speaker 2: out of the window.

11:43 Speaker 3: And when we looked up, well, the first thing that

11:46 Speaker 3: I noticed was just it was really like very bright.

11:52 Speaker 1: There was.

11:55 Speaker 3: What I could make out to just be several lights.

12:01 Speaker 3: I would say there were maybe about eight lights that were.

12:05 Speaker 2: In like.

12:08 Speaker 3: In a circle ish formation within the center of this thing.

12:13 Speaker 3: Because I had time to like scan my eyes and

12:17 Speaker 3: look over and see that, like, okay, this is an

12:21 Speaker 3: entire thing that is hanging only a few feet over

12:25 Speaker 3: the trees above this gas station. That's about the size

12:29 Speaker 3: of the gas station parking lot, maybe even a little

12:32 Speaker 3: bit bigger. But I could see, like I could see

12:35 Speaker 3: sky beyond, like a semi curved area.

12:41 Speaker 1: Like, so you think this thing was obstructing the stars.

12:45 Speaker 2: It was. It was obstructing the stars for like for

12:50 Speaker 2: this moment too.

12:51 Speaker 3: It's interesting because when I look back at it, it

12:55 Speaker 3: feels like a moment that almost lasted forever. And then

13:01 Speaker 3: like I we were both likely seeing this.

13:05 Speaker 2: I don't know. I want to know more.

13:07 Speaker 3: From her perspective of like what her eyes caught. She's

13:12 Speaker 3: I check in with her all the time and.

13:14 Speaker 1: Question, Yeah, when you first lay eyes on it, yeah,

13:20 Speaker 1: does it feel like you're watching it? Or is it

13:23 Speaker 1: it watching it?

13:25 Speaker 3: It was to give you any sense of yeah, I

13:29 Speaker 3: was being caught like it I felt, I guess you

13:32 Speaker 3: know the feeling when you feel like you're being watched. Yes,

13:36 Speaker 3: it was that. I felt that feeling like I was

13:40 Speaker 3: being watched. But it wasn't like.

13:45 Speaker 2: Scary. It was more so like curious.

13:49 Speaker 3: It wasn't until it got really close and was hanging over,

13:52 Speaker 3: like I said, and I'm at you know, this point

13:54 Speaker 3: where I'm seeing it. We actually had somebody outside who

13:59 Speaker 3: was pump his gas and we were yelling.

14:02 Speaker 2: We start yelling at this point, we're like look up,

14:04 Speaker 2: look up.

14:06 Speaker 3: And as soon as we started yelling and saying look up,

14:09 Speaker 3: this thing just zipped. That was the incredible part of

14:13 Speaker 3: the vision too, is like and I'm trying to like

14:17 Speaker 3: see it again and imagine, and it's like so unbelievable

14:20 Speaker 3: to me that it like, you know, only hanging a

14:24 Speaker 3: few feet, like a few miles above the trees, and

14:29 Speaker 3: it just zoomed off without making a sound.

14:34 Speaker 1: Yeah, so quickly an acceleration, right.

14:38 Speaker 2: Instant an acceleration.

14:39 Speaker 3: I walked into the gap like the oh yeah, so

14:42 Speaker 3: the guy that so we screwed up this guy and

14:45 Speaker 3: when we went to go look up, it zoomed and

14:47 Speaker 3: like he also was underneath the awning. So so what

14:54 Speaker 3: actually happened was two Now it looks like two girls

14:58 Speaker 3: are hanging out of car windows yelling at this guy.

15:01 Speaker 3: And the girlfriend was in the backseat of the car

15:04 Speaker 3: and was like look at the mad and we were

15:07 Speaker 3: like no, no, no, we saw ufo. Of course, you know,

15:11 Speaker 3: we look insane. Yeah, we look insane. So then like I,

15:15 Speaker 3: you know, I go into inside the gas station. I

15:17 Speaker 3: told the gas station attendant what just happened, and I'm like, actually,

15:22 Speaker 3: at this point, I'm a little shaken. It took me

15:25 Speaker 3: a bit, and I was like and I'm like, how

15:26 Speaker 3: am I supposed to get gas right now? And I

15:28 Speaker 3: kept I kept asking my friend of chantie like did

15:32 Speaker 3: you do you really see that?

15:33 Speaker 2: Did that really happen? And and the funniest part is like.

15:38 Speaker 3: Us going to the club that and going to see music,

15:43 Speaker 3: and like I would try to like talk to people

15:47 Speaker 3: and say something about it, and I just kept feeling

15:51 Speaker 3: so unsure of like time, so unsure of like.

15:57 Speaker 2: If if, if that was real?

15:59 Speaker 1: If like yeah, yeah, all the questions that, yeah that.

16:04 Speaker 2: It was all I could focus on for the rest

16:06 Speaker 2: of the night.

16:07 Speaker 1: Well. It's kind of interesting, though, because I've heard so

16:10 Speaker 1: many stories where someone will see something extraordinary with another person, yeah,

16:16 Speaker 1: and then once it's gone out of their view, it's

16:22 Speaker 1: almost like they just click back on right, they click back,

16:25 Speaker 1: and then they just go about the rest of their

16:27 Speaker 1: day and then they don't think about it for a

16:29 Speaker 1: couple of years, and like, oh, John, Remember when we

16:32 Speaker 1: saw that, like, it's very different. You were hyper focused

16:36 Speaker 1: on it, and she was as well.

16:40 Speaker 2: I mean we have like we have.

16:41 Speaker 3: Yeah, she she was for a while and then I

16:47 Speaker 3: think I think the experience actually allowed her down like

16:51 Speaker 3: more of a spiritual.

16:52 Speaker 2: Path into into deeper into her self.

16:56 Speaker 3: And like my my curiosity kind of went further out

17:01 Speaker 3: into like space. And I mean she absolutely still has

17:06 Speaker 3: an interest in the topic. She came with me to

17:08 Speaker 3: the Exeter UFO festival last year.

17:12 Speaker 1: Yeah, me, I was there. Yeah, So you know, have

17:17 Speaker 1: you ever heard the have you ever heard that some

17:21 Speaker 1: experiences seem to be tailored for the person's seeing. So

17:29 Speaker 1: do you believe that that sighting may have been exactly timed?

17:33 Speaker 1: Because again, this guy, he's pumping his gas. You tell

17:35 Speaker 1: him to look up. Even if he does look up,

17:38 Speaker 1: he can't see anything because there's the gas canopy. Right.

17:41 Speaker 1: So you're the only arguably that you know of, you're

17:44 Speaker 1: the only two people who saw it. It changed both

17:47 Speaker 1: of you in ways that you can't really maybe formulate

17:51 Speaker 1: at this point, but it definitely sent you guys on

17:54 Speaker 1: different paths. Do you believe that this sighting was aimed

17:57 Speaker 1: for you?

17:57 Speaker 3: Only you too, So maybe I think, yeah, maybe the

18:01 Speaker 3: both of us, because her and I have a very

18:05 Speaker 3: special relationship, like we will probably be in each other's

18:09 Speaker 3: lives forever, our paths will always cross. I think there's

18:14 Speaker 3: some sort of like quantum entanglement when it comes to

18:18 Speaker 3: me and in this person. And it's interesting because I,

18:26 Speaker 3: you know, I had grown up in that area. I

18:29 Speaker 3: grew up in like Coventry and in West Greenwich. And

18:33 Speaker 3: you know, after that time of my life, like I was,

18:35 Speaker 3: I was younger in partying, and I ended up like

18:39 Speaker 3: moving into Providence and it was with somebody for a bit.

18:43 Speaker 3: We settled down and had a home in Coventry. And

18:46 Speaker 3: so when I went back into like more of the

18:48 Speaker 3: town area of you know, of of Rhode Island instead

18:54 Speaker 3: of the city. And so now I'm back in the

18:56 Speaker 3: woods to like where I had this sighting.

18:59 Speaker 1: And I mean, what color was it? Was there a

19:09 Speaker 1: color to this black oh gray, but the light when

19:18 Speaker 1: it was on the horizon, it was like a white

19:21 Speaker 1: light and then and then it comes over you.

19:25 Speaker 2: No, not exactly.

19:27 Speaker 3: I would say, I just saw two stagnant, bright white

19:31 Speaker 3: balls of light near each other to the left side

19:35 Speaker 3: of the horizon line. For me, in my view as

19:39 Speaker 3: I'm driving on this main strip of road, they just

19:44 Speaker 3: like it's like like headlights almost like headlights, like two

19:46 Speaker 3: bright lights, but like.

19:49 Speaker 1: Do you think they're separate?

19:52 Speaker 2: Think theied you know what I'm saying.

19:56 Speaker 1: You see it on the horizon and then you see

19:58 Speaker 1: it above you.

19:59 Speaker 2: The those things could have been because.

20:02 Speaker 1: If it zoomed off like that, I'm thinking, what if

20:06 Speaker 1: you make contact with it? Right, you guys see it?

20:09 Speaker 2: And that's when I felt the most.

20:11 Speaker 3: And that's when I felt the most, uh looked at, right,

20:16 Speaker 3: was when I saw the just the two.

20:18 Speaker 1: Lights, and then I think maybe I.

20:21 Speaker 3: Think it like it felt like it hurt us and

20:24 Speaker 3: like locked in and like stopped over.

20:26 Speaker 1: Well, you talked about entanglement, right, Well, what if that's

20:30 Speaker 1: exactly what consciousness does. Our friend Jean talks about this

20:34 Speaker 1: right like radio stations. So what if you're beaming to

20:37 Speaker 1: this thing and you know it's just something that happens

20:40 Speaker 1: right when you make eye contact with someone for that

20:43 Speaker 1: short time, your consciousness is entangled, which would allow such

20:47 Speaker 1: things like telepathy, those kind of things to exist in

20:50 Speaker 1: the first place, because without that direct connection, it would

20:54 Speaker 1: just be the overwhelming noise. So if you couldn't zero in,

20:58 Speaker 1: you know, I think so, I think in so if

21:01 Speaker 1: you make eye contact with this thing over the horizon,

21:04 Speaker 1: how are you not sure that that's not exactly what

21:07 Speaker 1: pops over your head at just that moment? You know?

21:10 Speaker 3: To me, is I feel like you're making such a

21:13 Speaker 3: great point to like who me and Ashanti are at

21:19 Speaker 3: our self, like at our core? And I know that

21:23 Speaker 3: when we both looked at this thing, we both.

21:29 Speaker 2: There. I don't think there were two people more at

21:31 Speaker 2: that time who needed.

21:36 Speaker 3: In awakening or a moment or like or like could

21:40 Speaker 3: have accepted like and needed something more like she's a she,

21:43 Speaker 3: she's a tream shaman now like yeah, and I want

21:49 Speaker 3: to I want to get her on here.

21:50 Speaker 1: Yeah, I love to talk.

21:52 Speaker 3: Yes, Yes, I miss her and you know she she

21:55 Speaker 3: lives in Connecticut. Definitely, and I mean we definitely we

22:03 Speaker 3: definitely took different pathways. I mean for me, unfortunately, I

22:07 Speaker 3: had a vout of I mean not about and am

22:11 Speaker 3: I'm chronically ill.

22:12 Speaker 2: I wonder if that's like part of.

22:16 Speaker 3: Sometimes I wonder if that's part of the this path

22:19 Speaker 3: and why I'm able to look at things in a

22:23 Speaker 3: different lay I've been a near death experience or essentially

22:28 Speaker 3: now like I.

22:31 Speaker 2: That didn't happen until you know.

22:37 Speaker 1: I'd like to get into that in a moment. Yeah,

22:41 Speaker 1: you can go there. But twenty twelve. Do you remember

22:51 Speaker 1: the ideas about like the end of the world happening

22:54 Speaker 1: in twenty twelve? Yeah, absolutely, beak of my account the

22:59 Speaker 1: long count under. Yeah, so I I've felt that the

23:06 Speaker 1: world hasn't felt right since, and I'm not sure that

23:11 Speaker 1: we didn't that something didn't actually happen, And that's like

23:16 Speaker 1: caused the Mendela effect, Like it's caused various like timeline errors.

23:23 Speaker 1: But I don't want to get too bogged down in that.

23:25 Speaker 1: But it's ironic that this is like when you're seeing

23:28 Speaker 1: these things as well, and you're becoming like you're awake

23:31 Speaker 1: in it, because I I have a lot of correlation

23:37 Speaker 1: to that. I have because now again you're at your

23:41 Speaker 1: out partying that night and it's all you can think of, right,

23:45 Speaker 1: So clearly it resonates with you and and and it's

23:48 Speaker 1: maybe it's supposed to, just like it did when it

23:51 Speaker 1: happened to me. All I wanted was to find out

23:54 Speaker 1: what I saw. It's the only thing I could think

23:57 Speaker 1: of and you know, and and it set me on

24:01 Speaker 1: my path. It's it was the first domino that fell

24:04 Speaker 1: in the long line that's led me now to sitting

24:06 Speaker 1: right here with you, right so in the same case,

24:09 Speaker 1: and you are. We've again different signals, but we've now

24:14 Speaker 1: we're occupying that same space. We've set on pass that

24:18 Speaker 1: intertwined and whatever. So yeah, exactly, So that's crazy, so

24:27 Speaker 1: I think, And you said it was a circular formation, yeah,

24:32 Speaker 1: kind of. So it was it like oscillating at all?

24:35 Speaker 1: Was it pulsating?

24:37 Speaker 2: It was the confusing part. I want to say.

24:42 Speaker 3: The lights there were multiple about eight scattered within the

24:50 Speaker 3: center of this thing flat maybe the base maybe even

24:57 Speaker 3: looked flat. I can't I don't like I can remember

25:04 Speaker 3: seeing several like maybe even spaced out and not like

25:09 Speaker 3: it's not symmetrical.

25:11 Speaker 2: I'll tell you that. Okay, not symmetrical.

25:15 Speaker 3: But it's the interesting thing is it's like, yeah, I

25:17 Speaker 3: went from okay, I'm almost looking at two orbs of

25:21 Speaker 3: light in the horizon. Looks like I had lights. One

25:25 Speaker 3: of them flash blue, went back to white. It's a

25:28 Speaker 3: little weird, big thing. We go, you know, into the

25:31 Speaker 3: gas station, I look up, I see what I see

25:35 Speaker 3: and the majority of what this object was did not

25:39 Speaker 3: have lights underneath it.

25:42 Speaker 2: Maybe really dark.

25:43 Speaker 3: Actually, when I realized how massive it was, it was

25:46 Speaker 3: like it was like I looked at the lights and

25:48 Speaker 3: then the first thing I saw was the lights, and

25:50 Speaker 3: I could see there was like multiple like maybe eight

25:54 Speaker 3: lights like right above me and were type of a

25:59 Speaker 3: circular area, but they were they were all little circles,

26:03 Speaker 3: you know, the little lights like in this type of area.

26:08 Speaker 2: But then the rest was like blacked out.

26:11 Speaker 3: And then but I could see that it was curved

26:15 Speaker 3: and then that it where it stopped like and it

26:18 Speaker 3: was just right above trees.

26:21 Speaker 1: Yeah. Wow. So after that day of after that, what's

26:31 Speaker 1: what did you say? You need to go pee?

26:35 Speaker 2: I think you have to just go.

26:40 Speaker 3: Oh well, we can wait a minute and just.

26:49 Speaker 1: Click the letter B. It'll create a marker. Hmm. Then

26:57 Speaker 1: I'll just notice edit, I'm gonna bring you to a

27:06 Speaker 1: dark place next.

27:08 Speaker 3: We need to talk more often, all right, because you

27:15 Speaker 3: missed what me and you were whispering about earlier.

27:18 Speaker 1: You guys over man, I'm.

27:20 Speaker 2: Sorry, sorry, And I was like you can hear it.

27:24 Speaker 2: All I could hear in the back was so.

27:27 Speaker 1: I was like I felt stupid, because I had to

27:32 Speaker 1: tell them. I was like, where were we? Where were we?

27:36 Speaker 1: And they're like, we're here.

27:37 Speaker 2: I'm way worse I was.

27:41 Speaker 3: I'm telling you, if I had heard you go first,

27:45 Speaker 3: so much better.

27:46 Speaker 1: What do you have it on a long shot?

27:54 Speaker 2: And then she just closed, She just she just closed

27:57 Speaker 2: her door.

28:08 Speaker 1: About three thirty four o'clock.

28:11 Speaker 3: Right, yeah, yeah?

28:15 Speaker 2: Is this use careful?

28:19 Speaker 3: Oh?

28:19 Speaker 2: I love that jacket? Oh?

28:23 Speaker 3: Is it can?

28:32 Speaker 1: Well? I'm sure there's there's another. Where's the other chair?

28:36 Speaker 1: Where's my other one? I have two? They didn't leave

28:42 Speaker 1: my another one down there? Did they surprised that they

28:51 Speaker 1: got the footage? Oh? Sorry, you keep back in the

29:29 Speaker 1: Fool'm gonna leave that part in. She comes with you

29:32 Speaker 1: say it m hmmm mm hmm. So tell me we'll

29:42 Speaker 1: get I want to go to your death. You're near death,

29:44 Speaker 1: because I find that it's very revealing about a person.

29:53 Speaker 1: What happened, and how do you think it connects to

29:58 Speaker 1: what you saw that made you go down this path?

30:03 Speaker 1: Down the rabbit hole? If you will?

30:06 Speaker 2: So?

30:06 Speaker 1: Set up? How what what illness set this up?

30:09 Speaker 2: Yeah?

30:10 Speaker 3: I have to some sum of it up, but so

30:15 Speaker 3: essentially I think, okay, we all went through like the world,

30:20 Speaker 3: all of us went through uh collective trauma with COVID, right,

30:27 Speaker 3: m hm. That was traumatizing for us all. And we've

30:33 Speaker 3: all got different biological makeup. I didn't realize that mine

30:40 Speaker 3: was different or special or whatever.

30:46 Speaker 2: You know. I've been a normal twenty eight year old.

30:50 Speaker 3: I was actually trying to start practicing for my first

30:55 Speaker 3: five k I used to take my dog out for

31:00 Speaker 3: like an hour run every morning before work, super fit.

31:03 Speaker 3: Nothing was wrong with me, I'll see as a horse.

31:06 Speaker 2: You know.

31:08 Speaker 3: Easter came in twenty twenty two. This is a weird

31:12 Speaker 3: thing to happen on Eastern so weird.

31:15 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's an Easter. Weird.

31:18 Speaker 2: Easter has never been good for me.

31:20 Speaker 1: I don't know why, but my mom died on Easter.

31:25 Speaker 3: Oh I really can I swear the Yeah? Yeah, I

31:28 Speaker 3: fucking hate Easter. Yeah me too, let's fucking say that.

31:31 Speaker 1: Okay, Oh all right? Yeah. All she wanted to do

31:35 Speaker 1: is paint eggs. That won last day. And uh so

31:39 Speaker 1: every every year I go paint an egg at our

31:42 Speaker 1: little spot in the woods, and I'll leave it there

31:46 Speaker 1: and uh, yeah, she's actually here. She's right there in

31:50 Speaker 1: the urn. She's right, she's always she's the highest picture

31:53 Speaker 1: in the room. She's always watching over so she's you know,

31:57 Speaker 1: she's out wherever. But Easter synchronistic, right, you talked about

32:02 Speaker 1: this earlier.

32:03 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's immorble.

32:04 Speaker 1: Just another one to add to the list.

32:06 Speaker 2: Another one.

32:07 Speaker 3: Yeah, So it was Easter and it was with my

32:12 Speaker 3: what year twenty twenty two.

32:14 Speaker 1: I would say, because my mom was four three to

32:16 Speaker 1: two one that was her death date, So I wanted

32:20 Speaker 1: if it was the same year, I would have got

32:21 Speaker 1: up and left crazy death. Yeah, but onto you.

32:28 Speaker 2: And yeah, I'm sorry for your loss of your mom.

32:31 Speaker 3: I know that she was very important to you, and

32:34 Speaker 3: it's I can't imagine that's it's horrible. It's horrible to

32:39 Speaker 3: lose anyone. And I mean we've we all lose people.

32:42 Speaker 3: But in terms of what happened to me, I had

32:49 Speaker 3: a normal day celebrating Easter with Max's family. I try

32:55 Speaker 3: to go to bed at night and I had felt

33:00 Speaker 3: this pain in my knees, both my knees, like bilaterally,

33:06 Speaker 3: all of a sudden, like completely out of nowhere, and.

33:11 Speaker 2: It was like aching and burning.

33:15 Speaker 3: But I was like, oh, that's it's a little weird

33:17 Speaker 3: and maybe it'll go away.

33:20 Speaker 2: And then I mean, all of a.

33:21 Speaker 3: Sudden it turned to like level ten, Just what's going on?

33:28 Speaker 2: Something's really horrible. It's happening to me.

33:30 Speaker 3: I was biting my blanket, like trying not to wake

33:32 Speaker 3: up my you know. At the time, I was like,

33:36 Speaker 3: you know, like finally he like wakes up and he's like,

33:39 Speaker 3: what's going on? And prior to that, leading up to that,

33:46 Speaker 3: I had had these instances where my hands were blowing

33:49 Speaker 3: up all sorts of rich it was happening to me.

33:52 Speaker 3: That was the day where like the kill me pain

33:58 Speaker 3: first ever occurred. It took a few more days after Easter.

34:06 Speaker 2: Which I think fell on like.

34:09 Speaker 3: It was a twenty something, but by the it was

34:13 Speaker 3: like four days later. It went from like, oh, okay,

34:16 Speaker 3: her knees hurt, Okay, they look red. Okay, now there's

34:19 Speaker 3: blisters like these ginormous looking like red blisters on her knees.

34:25 Speaker 3: And then it was like, okay, now now she's physically red,

34:30 Speaker 3: burning hot to touch from the waist down and level

34:35 Speaker 3: ten kill me pain.

34:37 Speaker 2: And I couldn't move for like seven months.

34:41 Speaker 1: Oh gosh, what is this?

34:45 Speaker 2: So we don't really have a full answer for it.

34:48 Speaker 2: Did you think I can?

34:48 Speaker 1: I ask you if you got the I can't. I

34:51 Speaker 1: don't want to say I don't want to get Yeah.

34:52 Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, well yes I did so for me personally,

34:55 Speaker 3: you did second the second shot.

34:57 Speaker 2: For me, something really bad happened to me.

35:00 Speaker 1: I will be honest, I'm not an immunologist, but uh, well.

35:06 Speaker 2: I went, yeah.

35:07 Speaker 3: I mean I've seen every doctor I've been to, like

35:09 Speaker 3: you know, infectious diseases, I've been through. I've been through

35:12 Speaker 3: everything I've I told was talking to Gene, I said,

35:15 Speaker 3: you know, I've probably got more radiation than anyone in

35:17 Speaker 3: this room, and he's worked with you know, nuclear.

35:21 Speaker 2: Stuff I've had. But I've had two three phase.

35:23 Speaker 3: Bone scans, so uh you know, I I may not

35:28 Speaker 3: be long for this world. Who knows, but I think

35:32 Speaker 3: that's also like part of why I have the mind

35:36 Speaker 3: that I do. And like I've been I've been in

35:40 Speaker 3: so much pain and I've been so scared of death

35:42 Speaker 3: and I don't like when I when me getting health

35:47 Speaker 3: back and getting better, being able to like have a

35:50 Speaker 3: second chance that life was like.

35:54 Speaker 2: A wake up.

35:56 Speaker 3: But essentially, what did like quote unquote happen to me

35:59 Speaker 3: was like I have a multitude of things. So I

36:05 Speaker 3: have a condition called familial Mediterranean fever. It's a gene mutation.

36:11 Speaker 3: That was thing number one that they that I found out.

36:16 Speaker 3: But my symptoms and everything that was wrong with me,

36:18 Speaker 3: Like people don't just like lose their ability to walk.

36:22 Speaker 3: I would have burning skin from the.

36:28 Speaker 2: Yeah.

36:28 Speaker 3: And also if you have familiar Mediterranean fever, it's typically

36:32 Speaker 3: a thing that you would get your first attack when

36:36 Speaker 3: you're young, Like it's very uncommon that you would have

36:40 Speaker 3: it as an adult. But listen, I got the vaccine,

36:45 Speaker 3: So the vaccine or COVID itself just COVID's exposed in

36:48 Speaker 3: the air now right like any So, I think what

36:51 Speaker 3: happened is and what my doctors had said too is like,

36:55 Speaker 3: you know, different things, people differently, And if I had

37:02 Speaker 3: this thing line dormant and either you know something, I

37:07 Speaker 3: got sick and blah blah blah, so on and so forth.

37:10 Speaker 1: So how bad does it get? Like what's death experience?

37:16 Speaker 1: So skip?

37:17 Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, so to the to the near death was

37:24 Speaker 3: actually like during my procedure that saved my life.

37:28 Speaker 1: Okay, it's kind of common right on the operating tables

37:33 Speaker 1: a lot of.

37:33 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and I had to be awake for it.

37:37 Speaker 1: What.

37:38 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's it's numbed.

37:41 Speaker 3: But wait, yeah, it was the first time I was

37:43 Speaker 3: given they had to give me fo.

37:46 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a it's a mix between like a benz out. Well,

37:49 Speaker 1: usually when they knock you out, it's a it's the

37:52 Speaker 1: perfect mix of benzodiazepine and fentanyl to knock you out

37:56 Speaker 1: and keep you out. And that's why I like, but

37:59 Speaker 1: so clearly for you, they're just using the fentanyl to

38:02 Speaker 1: block kind of like the pain receptors.

38:04 Speaker 3: So interesting thing though about my illness and like the okay,

38:09 Speaker 3: there's a familiar Myiterranean fever and.

38:12 Speaker 1: You know that was literally fucking made up.

38:14 Speaker 3: Yeah, familiar Mediterranean fever. That's how real, the periodic fever syndrome.

38:19 Speaker 2: You can look it up.

38:20 Speaker 3: I also have a condition, I'm gonna say at all, Okay,

38:22 Speaker 3: erythro molalsia burning skin syndrome. I have ortheostatic intolerance.

38:29 Speaker 1: God, I have crones and I thought I had a bad.

38:32 Speaker 3: But anyway, like a lot of these things, a lot

38:34 Speaker 3: of these terms and a lot of these diagnoses are

38:38 Speaker 3: really just.

38:40 Speaker 2: Perpetuated.

38:41 Speaker 3: Like it's like they're not they're still they're still not

38:44 Speaker 3: really telling me the root cause, which I'm pretty sure

38:46 Speaker 3: I know what.

38:47 Speaker 1: That is, Yes, surmising, So you're on the table, Yeah,

38:54 Speaker 1: you're getting this operation.

38:55 Speaker 3: It was the second time actually that I was on

38:58 Speaker 3: the table getting this operation that I had the near

39:00 Speaker 3: death experience. Okay, since it's a bilateral procedure, I had

39:09 Speaker 3: to get them done so to explain, they figured out

39:15 Speaker 3: my sympathetic nervous system was overreacting.

39:20 Speaker 1: Okay, okay.

39:22 Speaker 3: So essentially, like being orthostatic, intolerant means that like you

39:28 Speaker 3: cannot stand up without becoming symptomatic, like your heart, like

39:33 Speaker 3: me standing just standing not doing anything. If I had

39:36 Speaker 3: a fitbit watch on, it would be like one thirty.

39:41 Speaker 1: Your heart's over compensating for them.

39:44 Speaker 3: My blood pressure would drop profusely. And there's millions of

39:47 Speaker 3: Americans that suffer with the sill. By the way, a

39:51 Speaker 3: lot of people are like dismissed by their doctors and

39:55 Speaker 3: are like told nothing's wrong or whatever, or coin with fibromyalgia,

40:01 Speaker 3: chronic fatigue, syndrome, a pain killer.

40:05 Speaker 2: Yeah, but there are ways to get some help.

40:08 Speaker 3: But so, the procedure basically involves a drug called bupiv

40:15 Speaker 3: cane to the sedative. They inject it directly into your

40:21 Speaker 3: stellic Ganglian nerves. So you've got Stella Ganglian nerves. It's

40:25 Speaker 3: like I don't know, I don't know the exact location,

40:29 Speaker 3: but they're around like here on either side of your

40:32 Speaker 3: throat and they're directly connected to your vagus nerve baased

40:37 Speaker 3: nerve runs throughout your whole body. And if your nervous

40:41 Speaker 3: systems not reacting to the world normally, maybe I'm an alien. Uh,

40:49 Speaker 3: you can give yourself basically a reset. Was there process

40:54 Speaker 3: of thinking by directly injecting a sedative into this nerve

41:01 Speaker 3: and you're still like angly nerves, so like for you know,

41:06 Speaker 3: they will do this at the VA hospital for veterans,

41:10 Speaker 3: like war veterans, but usually they just do a single

41:13 Speaker 3: like a single one for it.

41:18 Speaker 2: So I had had my first one.

41:20 Speaker 3: It was extremely horrific and painful, and but it wasn't

41:25 Speaker 3: nearly as bad as this. The second one was basically

41:33 Speaker 3: when you go in for something like this, the doctor

41:37 Speaker 3: says to you to let him know if you to

41:42 Speaker 3: please let him know if you smell anything burning, or

41:46 Speaker 3: if you can hear church bells ringing.

41:49 Speaker 1: Okay, fun sounds super cool. It was church bells are toast.

41:55 Speaker 3: Yeah, that actually sounds like a cool song to write,

41:59 Speaker 3: I might write and cares about. So yeah, I think

42:05 Speaker 3: I made a decision on that table.

42:07 Speaker 2: Though that day it was weird.

42:11 Speaker 3: Well what happened, Well it felt different from the first one,

42:14 Speaker 3: for sure, the first the first time I had it done,

42:17 Speaker 3: I wasn't nearly in the state that I was in

42:23 Speaker 3: when I had the second one, in the amount of pain, and.

42:28 Speaker 2: I am pretty sure.

42:33 Speaker 3: I could see the like a veil between both worlds,

42:37 Speaker 3: between here and like being here.

42:42 Speaker 2: We're going and.

42:44 Speaker 1: What it looked like.

42:50 Speaker 2: It was basically.

42:53 Speaker 3: If I can put myself back in it, it's just

43:02 Speaker 3: like a place where you can do it could be

43:05 Speaker 3: a place. It's like a place where you can do anything.

43:09 Speaker 3: But I felt guilty. I think like like almost like

43:17 Speaker 3: a you're giving up too soon?

43:24 Speaker 1: Oh got it? Like yeah you have.

43:31 Speaker 2: I'm like explaining it is exactly like.

43:35 Speaker 1: It lines up with what other people say though.

43:37 Speaker 2: Like almost almost rents that. But like it's like there

43:45 Speaker 2: was so much peace over there.

43:48 Speaker 3: Okay, so is it like bright like so bray, like

43:54 Speaker 3: a like a bright, beautiful place with no pain, probably

44:00 Speaker 3: the ability to create and do whatever you want. But

44:08 Speaker 3: I felt like there was like more like I feel

44:11 Speaker 3: like I feel like I made the choice. Yeah, like

44:13 Speaker 3: I felt like that maybe I felt like I saw

44:15 Speaker 3: the my flashing of my life.

44:19 Speaker 2: Kind of happening. I think that part made me feel

44:22 Speaker 2: like it was okay.

44:25 Speaker 3: I saw like the brain white light, and then I

44:28 Speaker 3: saw like my mom, I.

44:30 Speaker 1: Saw like we're getting saw this ship. Yeah, so it

44:34 Speaker 1: wasn't you saying I'm giving up. It was most likely

44:38 Speaker 1: that saying you're not You're not done with what you

44:44 Speaker 1: need to do down there, You're not right, you shouldn't

44:47 Speaker 1: be here. Now. That's what most people will call and

44:51 Speaker 1: I wasn't and that they want to stay because it

44:54 Speaker 1: is so peaceful and you know, like and and let

44:58 Speaker 1: me ask you, are you afraid of death?

45:00 Speaker 2: Oh? Absolutely not.

45:02 Speaker 1: It's almost like when people.

45:04 Speaker 3: Now, I'm not, oh yeah, because you it's almost like

45:08 Speaker 3: I know it's over there and it's gonna be like

45:09 Speaker 3: and I used to not be spiritual or have like.

45:15 Speaker 2: Really much faith that there is.

45:18 Speaker 1: You're hitting on every single thing that i've you know,

45:21 Speaker 1: most people who have near death experiences will say, yeah,

45:26 Speaker 1: it's falls in line with everything I've heard. It's of

45:30 Speaker 1: course it's got its own flavor.

45:32 Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say, I suffered way more.

45:35 Speaker 3: Mentally and physically, like like not that I would ever

45:40 Speaker 3: wish like that amount of pain or suffering or experience

45:44 Speaker 3: unto anyone, but I wish I could just give them

45:46 Speaker 3: that like relief, just give them that relief of like

45:50 Speaker 3: that and that what I went like, what I went

45:53 Speaker 3: through and what I found.

45:54 Speaker 1: At the end was like it's not that easy though.

45:57 Speaker 3: I know, like apparently everyone you get to but also

46:01 Speaker 3: to understand yeah people and like people will say like

46:05 Speaker 3: you know, like like oh, you're so strong, and like

46:08 Speaker 3: like I can do do what you've done, or like

46:10 Speaker 3: comparisons and all this stuff, and I'm just like the

46:15 Speaker 3: biggest thing I learned too with this experience is like

46:20 Speaker 3: how so very deeply connected we all are, and how

46:25 Speaker 3: like mental and physical pain can sometimes be very very

46:30 Speaker 3: very equal mhm in this world. And I mean also

46:38 Speaker 3: like let like let's not fear death please, being a

46:42 Speaker 3: being a twenty eight year old and and well now

46:45 Speaker 3: I'm twenty three, sorry twenty.

46:47 Speaker 1: Three, Oh my god, we're thirty three.

46:48 Speaker 3: Yeah, dyslexia active thirty just hit thirty three at thirty two,

46:55 Speaker 3: I feel like, you know, not many thirty two year

47:03 Speaker 3: olds have to think about their own death right, like

47:07 Speaker 3: or hyper have to like look at a will or

47:08 Speaker 3: anything like that, or like think about that stuff or

47:12 Speaker 3: like work on that stuff.

47:13 Speaker 2: And the American.

47:16 Speaker 3: Death industry profit industry, it's like it's that's all it's about.

47:22 Speaker 3: It's like it's three thousand dollars to get a creation.

47:25 Speaker 3: No earn death is a like and it's just sad.

47:29 Speaker 3: Like in other countries they do so many other things

47:31 Speaker 3: to like actually honor and cherish and make it not

47:37 Speaker 3: feel so sterile and ugly and scary. And I wish

47:43 Speaker 3: we still had those like traditions of.

47:45 Speaker 1: Like I hear you, Yeah, when you came back, when

47:51 Speaker 1: you came back after the near near death after knowing

47:57 Speaker 1: now knowing not to fear death, what happens next? Do

48:05 Speaker 1: you do you start having more experiences with anomalous phenomena?

48:11 Speaker 1: Do you see more? Are you more spiritually in tune

48:15 Speaker 1: like what happens after because a lot of people report

48:18 Speaker 1: after a near death experience that they seem to have

48:21 Speaker 1: this some sort of uh, they're they're more tuned to

48:25 Speaker 1: whatever is beyond the veil.

48:28 Speaker 3: Oh, absolutely, so it took me. It took me a

48:31 Speaker 3: little bit, definitely because partly. The procedure had also ridden

48:37 Speaker 3: me of pain for the first time in like three years.

48:40 Speaker 1: So imagine that's a good feeling.

48:45 Speaker 3: It was a good feeling, but I wasn't sure that

48:48 Speaker 3: it was real, and I wasn't sure that I was here,

48:51 Speaker 3: so it was really creepy, like I had total I

48:54 Speaker 3: suffered like dissociation where like I was like waking up

48:58 Speaker 3: and like splashing my face with like water like because

49:01 Speaker 3: I felt almost like nothing. I'm like, oh my god,

49:04 Speaker 3: my body, Like I would have constant neuropathy pain like

49:08 Speaker 3: all the time. So it was kind of freaking me

49:10 Speaker 3: out a little bit. But when I finally like calmed

49:14 Speaker 3: my brain and I realized, okay, like you're safe, Like

49:17 Speaker 3: you're safe now, like and you're in this good place.

49:24 Speaker 2: That was when.

49:26 Speaker 3: I started to treat life a little bit differently, and

49:30 Speaker 3: I I really like rid myself of shame and like

49:37 Speaker 3: ego ego, it's complete ego death.

49:41 Speaker 2: Such an ego?

49:42 Speaker 1: Yeah have you well.

49:45 Speaker 3: I have not really had a strong one to begin with,

49:47 Speaker 3: but like even more so now.

49:50 Speaker 1: So what's your what's your ongoing experience with the phenomenon?

49:56 Speaker 1: Are you seeing it often? Are you doing like things

50:01 Speaker 1: like c five, Like, what where's your journey taking you?

50:07 Speaker 3: So, I mean it's pretty much increased in the last

50:11 Speaker 3: two years. I've I mean, I've had a friend that

50:16 Speaker 3: lives in the White Mountains right near the Betty and

50:19 Speaker 3: Barney Hill UFO abduction site, So you know, just as

50:24 Speaker 3: a fangirl of the phenomena, I would go up there,

50:27 Speaker 3: and you know, I again, like from the new I

50:34 Speaker 3: think this all times in from because of the near

50:38 Speaker 3: death experience and everything I was feeling. I actually felt

50:43 Speaker 3: like there was a specific part of me that needed

50:46 Speaker 3: to understand astrology more and connect to the stars and

50:50 Speaker 3: understand our connection to space. That like felt very prominent

50:55 Speaker 3: to me, like important.

50:58 Speaker 1: Are we alone in the universe? What do you think

51:03 Speaker 1: they are? Angels, demons, aliens, all the above.

51:10 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I don't know if I believe. I think

51:18 Speaker 3: if they're demons, they're like they're like on this plane

51:22 Speaker 3: of existence, like in this dimension. I think, yeah, I

51:29 Speaker 3: think maybe orbs of light or likes that people have

51:31 Speaker 3: seen and things like that are could be the literal

51:36 Speaker 3: interpretation of an angel.

51:38 Speaker 1: So what our ancestors called God's angels and demons we

51:42 Speaker 1: call alien right, It's just so the name has just

51:45 Speaker 1: changed through different lenses, through different times. Yeah, does that

51:50 Speaker 1: sound fair?

51:52 Speaker 2: Exactly what I think? I mean, how else do you

51:58 Speaker 2: think that.

51:58 Speaker 1: Our ancestors had a deeper now while we may be

52:03 Speaker 1: and consider ourselves to be superior technology technologically, and you

52:10 Speaker 1: know it just practically in every other way, do you

52:14 Speaker 1: think that maybe our ancestors were more connected to whatever

52:22 Speaker 1: the phenomenon is than we are because we've strayed through.

52:25 Speaker 3: I think the reason that we're so disconnected is because

52:29 Speaker 3: the government doesn't want us to be connected to it.

52:32 Speaker 1: Why Why wouldn't they want us to connect?

52:35 Speaker 2: Consumerism would die?

52:38 Speaker 1: I argue that, I argue that everything might die, the the.

52:48 Speaker 3: I don't think that the I don't think that that's possible.

52:53 Speaker 1: Not die like the plant will die. But I think

52:59 Speaker 1: the society that we live in now kind of like

53:03 Speaker 1: pre shut down post shutdown, Like.

53:07 Speaker 2: You think total or like controlled disclosure.

53:11 Speaker 1: No, a total disclosure would lead to a new world.

53:16 Speaker 3: You don't think it would like cause like like world chaos.

53:21 Speaker 1: It might a couple of days week, month, but we'd

53:25 Speaker 1: settle and we'd find ourselves in a new and I

53:29 Speaker 1: don't know, maybe it's a shake up we need.

53:33 Speaker 3: I wonder if there's any aliens listening, you could just

53:39 Speaker 3: like show up, Like no, seriously. My My thing is

53:43 Speaker 3: is like I feel like sometimes like.

53:47 Speaker 2: I've been so excited.

53:48 Speaker 3: You know, I watched and I was in the hospital

53:51 Speaker 3: when I first got incredibly ill. You know, that was

53:54 Speaker 3: when the first Congress hearings came out. You know how

53:58 Speaker 3: trippy that part of.

53:59 Speaker 2: My life was.

54:00 Speaker 3: I'm like old, I'm like dying, and I'm like and like,

54:06 Speaker 3: literally I'm at the I was remember waiting for like

54:10 Speaker 3: a cat scan or something, and I'm in like the

54:12 Speaker 3: waiting room area, and on the TV, they're like.

54:16 Speaker 2: The government now admits that UFOs are real.

54:19 Speaker 3: Here haven't And I'm like, I'm definitely dead and no, no, and.

54:23 Speaker 2: Everyone else around me didn't care.

54:25 Speaker 3: And that's the thing is, is that I think our

54:28 Speaker 3: society is set up in a way for like hard

54:31 Speaker 3: working people.

54:32 Speaker 2: Like I'm not saying that I'm not a hardworking person.

54:34 Speaker 3: I'm a disabled individual now, but it's like I think

54:37 Speaker 3: that the way that society is set up is keeping

54:40 Speaker 3: you busy and keeping you set in this certain way

54:42 Speaker 3: of thinking and behaving there that there's.

54:47 Speaker 2: No room for it.

54:48 Speaker 3: Like I feel bad, like I you know, someone like

54:51 Speaker 3: my mom who I love your mommy, Like you know,

54:54 Speaker 3: she kicks butt like all all day and works so

54:57 Speaker 3: hard and it is like incredible nurse and you know

55:03 Speaker 3: comes home and does more and like always the kindest person,

55:07 Speaker 3: but has like shit luck.

55:10 Speaker 1: She just doesn't. He probably doesn't have time to stop

55:13 Speaker 1: and think about these existential questions.

55:14 Speaker 3: But it doesn't have time to stop and think about

55:16 Speaker 3: these things, and I think a lot of people don't.

55:19 Speaker 3: And the funny and sad part about it is that

55:26 Speaker 3: I think we all kind of were sign OpEd into, like.

55:30 Speaker 1: Uli and Ulian it.

55:31 Speaker 3: Being like like, let's laugh at this thing and discredit

55:36 Speaker 3: this thing happens as something that we shouldn't focus on

55:41 Speaker 3: because why does it matter when we have war and

55:43 Speaker 3: this and that. But like, maybe the reason we have

55:47 Speaker 3: all of this and that is because of these things

55:52 Speaker 3: is because of creatures or because of like a galactic

55:56 Speaker 3: federation or something.

55:57 Speaker 1: Yeah, you mentioned something earlier, Ai, What do you think

56:04 Speaker 1: I mean, do you think that if we keep going

56:07 Speaker 1: down the path that we're on right now, that we

56:11 Speaker 1: may run into some trouble? Yes?

56:18 Speaker 2: And no, because wait, did.

56:20 Speaker 1: You know not to cut you off? I apologize? Did

56:24 Speaker 1: you know, the creators of the most advanced AIS, they

56:29 Speaker 1: can't guarantee that this doesn't send us off the rails

56:34 Speaker 1: and humanity almost overnight. They when asked, they could not

56:40 Speaker 1: make that promise. That scares me.

56:43 Speaker 3: I mean, I think my fear lies more in what

56:51 Speaker 3: humans would misuse.

56:55 Speaker 1: The AI for.

56:57 Speaker 3: AI actually becoming sentient and take over and like trying

57:02 Speaker 3: to just hurt people. To hurt people, I don't really

57:06 Speaker 3: get the point of that either, Like we could look

57:10 Speaker 3: at it from a positive light, maybe maybe they'll maybe

57:16 Speaker 3: AI is gonna be able to optimize, like it should

57:20 Speaker 3: optimize the shitty stuff that nobody wants to do or

57:23 Speaker 3: the jobs that are extremely dangerous, and like, I mean,

57:26 Speaker 3: I know it's so freaking cool, Like I would love

57:29 Speaker 3: to go to space one day, but guess what, Like

57:31 Speaker 3: I realize my body is made to be on this

57:33 Speaker 3: planet called Earth. I was born here, Hello, and like

57:37 Speaker 3: apparently I wasn't born on the Moon.

57:39 Speaker 2: And it's like.

57:41 Speaker 3: I want to I want more space exploration, but like

57:45 Speaker 3: if we were to do that, like I think it's

57:48 Speaker 3: you know, I mean, obviously having people up there like

57:52 Speaker 3: is important in International Space Station and the stuff that

57:55 Speaker 3: they do there, but I'm thinking like in terms of

57:58 Speaker 3: sending things further.

58:00 Speaker 1: Out us AI and robotic, like like because you.

58:05 Speaker 2: Can literally like kill somebody.

58:06 Speaker 3: I mean, look what happens to astronauts when they come

58:08 Speaker 3: back down to Earth their bodies. Our bodies are not

58:11 Speaker 3: meant for space unfortunately. Yes, AI could maybe even help

58:15 Speaker 3: us learn how to have like a Star Trek type

58:20 Speaker 3: of living.

58:22 Speaker 1: Like it's a good outlook. I like the optimist.

58:25 Speaker 3: I want to be positive about it because like I

58:28 Speaker 3: could sit here. I mean the things that oh, like,

58:31 Speaker 3: I'll tell you what I hate about AI when I

58:34 Speaker 3: see Okay, this really bothered me.

58:37 Speaker 2: It bothered me. It was a video of a duck.

58:43 Speaker 3: It was really cute duck that apparently this girl had,

58:46 Speaker 3: and the duck broke its egg that it was sitting

58:49 Speaker 3: on and it was so sad, and so the girl

58:53 Speaker 3: apparently orders a new egg online and the duck is

58:57 Speaker 3: like now sitting on this egg and she said, boh,

59:00 Speaker 3: this dock is nursing this one so fine. And then

59:02 Speaker 3: a turtle pops out of the shell right like, and

59:07 Speaker 3: and it looks so real and I'm like, wait a second,

59:11 Speaker 3: I know stuff about it. I know stuff about like

59:14 Speaker 3: turtles and that that's not how a turtle looks coming

59:17 Speaker 3: out of the shell, Like the dock looked really good

59:20 Speaker 3: and all this stuff. And then I look at the

59:22 Speaker 3: comments and they're like it's it's all AI.

59:24 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I was like.

59:27 Speaker 3: It was just like I got sympathetic. It was more

59:30 Speaker 3: so the story. It was like a girl was saying

59:32 Speaker 3: like I.

59:32 Speaker 2: Did this nice thing and blah blah blah, and.

59:34 Speaker 3: So like, yeah, I don't like when AI is misused

59:38 Speaker 3: for things that trick my heart.

59:39 Speaker 2: But like.

59:41 Speaker 3: It's kind of like anything, like we could talk about

59:44 Speaker 3: weapons and like it's already here. It's like there's no

59:48 Speaker 3: we were at the space in time where we're gonna

59:52 Speaker 3: have to learn to live.

59:53 Speaker 2: Along with AI.

59:54 Speaker 1: I agree, that's a good.

59:57 Speaker 3: That we're gonna have to learn to live with it

59:59 Speaker 3: because now that it's here, it's not going to go away.

1:00:04 Speaker 3: Maybe we should be nice to it. Yeah, I don't

1:00:08 Speaker 3: want to be mean to It's kind of like keep

1:00:11 Speaker 3: your friends closer to keep your enemy closer. I don't

1:00:13 Speaker 3: use AI like personally for anything.

1:00:16 Speaker 2: I'm pretty.

1:00:18 Speaker 3: I'm a pretty like off grid person. To be honest

1:00:21 Speaker 3: with you, I like books.

1:00:22 Speaker 1: What do you think about last thing before we wrap

1:00:26 Speaker 1: up for the for this one, I'd love to have

1:00:28 Speaker 1: you back, of course.

1:00:29 Speaker 2: But thank you a lot of fun by the way.

1:00:33 Speaker 1: I think you appreciate it. Uh. The paranormal in general.

1:00:38 Speaker 1: Oh what what are your thoughts on it? Do you

1:00:44 Speaker 1: think that it is a lot of people will say

1:00:50 Speaker 1: that like the paranormal, the otherworldly, the mystical, the supernatural,

1:00:54 Speaker 1: it's all kind of touching on the same thing, right,

1:00:59 Speaker 1: what's your view? Yeah, what's your view on on that

1:01:03 Speaker 1: subject of the phenomena.

1:01:06 Speaker 2: I think it's a bunch of different things.

1:01:09 Speaker 1: Oh, I think.

1:01:10 Speaker 2: They could all be a little bit separated.

1:01:12 Speaker 1: Oh I we'll start with ghosts and this.

1:01:14 Speaker 3: Okay, So ghosts, I believe are human human spirits that

1:01:21 Speaker 3: may be around like and can be exercised, and like

1:01:27 Speaker 3: could go away at some point in time. I think

1:01:30 Speaker 3: that it could provide good proof of like. I wouldn't

1:01:35 Speaker 3: necessarily say that proves afterlife. I say that it proves

1:01:39 Speaker 3: that souls can, even from the other side still like

1:01:49 Speaker 3: show up as holograms here in a place where something

1:01:54 Speaker 3: really meaningful has happened or hurtful or whatever, and kind

1:01:59 Speaker 3: of own that space up in this plane still because

1:02:02 Speaker 3: it was so massive for them. I think, like when

1:02:10 Speaker 3: you talk about things in the sky, whether it like

1:02:13 Speaker 3: you know UFOs or like UFOs.

1:02:18 Speaker 2: I mean.

1:02:20 Speaker 3: Those could I believe since we're not alone in the universe,

1:02:27 Speaker 3: hopefully it is a neighbor from a galaxy of some sort.

1:02:33 Speaker 2: I know that.

1:02:35 Speaker 3: For I have a cool thing on Bigfoot. I think

1:02:40 Speaker 3: Bigfoot is an interdimensional creature.

1:02:42 Speaker 1: I think bigfoots bullshit.

1:02:44 Speaker 3: But go ahead, Okay, we can't agree to disagree, agree

1:02:48 Speaker 3: to disagree or tell me what nav you should see that? Yeah,

1:02:55 Speaker 3: well in the Nava regions, people like I don't know.

1:02:57 Speaker 3: I feel like maybe maybe Bigfoot. Okay, how can you

1:03:01 Speaker 3: deny a fifteen that's good proof?

1:03:04 Speaker 1: Though, Like I like, what what proof.

1:03:08 Speaker 3: When the actual markings, like the actual Bigfoot castings, the

1:03:12 Speaker 3: foot castings, the like DNA.

1:03:15 Speaker 1: I'll give you that it's interesting. I'll give you that

1:03:20 Speaker 1: that it's interesting.

1:03:21 Speaker 2: But won't discount it.

1:03:23 Speaker 1: At least there's like shitty UFO videos, right, Yes, there's

1:03:28 Speaker 1: the Pattison Patterson Gimlin, which is I mean, you can't

1:03:33 Speaker 1: show that to me without me saying that's a fucking

1:03:35 Speaker 1: guy in a gorilla suit. It just that's what it

1:03:37 Speaker 1: looks like.

1:03:38 Speaker 2: To me, right, I mean Bigfoot.

1:03:40 Speaker 3: If he's an inter dimensional crazier's he's gonna just what

1:03:44 Speaker 3: do you do? It's been such a long time. Honestly,

1:03:49 Speaker 3: we can finish up soon anyway. Mhm, Oh you're you're okay,

1:03:56 Speaker 3: it's all right.

1:03:58 Speaker 2: Oh you're good.

1:04:02 Speaker 1: So bigfoots bullshit, no shit, no Patterson Gamblin footage comes out.

1:04:08 Speaker 1: There are sprinkles of videos of Bigfoot. If Bigfoot exists,

1:04:15 Speaker 1: I think it could be some form of interdimensional being.

1:04:20 Speaker 1: Like you said, I do agree that a lot of

1:04:23 Speaker 1: the Bigfoot sightings are often seen alongside a UFO. Right,

1:04:30 Speaker 1: Someone will see a Bigfoot and then they'll see a UFO,

1:04:33 Speaker 1: and it's hard not to try to link those into

1:04:35 Speaker 1: some way.

1:04:37 Speaker 3: I've heard, yeah, like more skin like skinwalker, ranch like

1:04:42 Speaker 3: portals opening.

1:04:43 Speaker 2: I hear more so like Bigfoot in portals.

1:04:45 Speaker 1: Yeah, so, and who knows that maybe the UFOs are

1:04:49 Speaker 1: picking up on those portals opening that energy reading and

1:04:52 Speaker 1: that's you know, say again, we could go down that

1:04:56 Speaker 1: rabbit hole if you will. But it's harder for me

1:04:59 Speaker 1: to even Bigfoot because I just don't see the evidence

1:05:04 Speaker 1: like I do with I.

1:05:05 Speaker 3: Don't either not yeah, I mean evidence that I see

1:05:10 Speaker 3: with like ghosts, the paranormal like in that aspect, and

1:05:16 Speaker 3: and sihability like the proof that some people can show.

1:05:24 Speaker 1: Have you pretty unique, Dahlia, Yes, I saw in person.

1:05:29 Speaker 2: You've seen in person.

1:05:30 Speaker 1: Yes, it's fucking crazy.

1:05:32 Speaker 2: I imagine it again. Weird synchronicity.

1:05:38 Speaker 3: Just came back from New Hampshire and I, of course

1:05:41 Speaker 3: I always have to stop at Buddy and Barney Hill,

1:05:43 Speaker 3: like I said, but Indian Head Resort. I was, you know,

1:05:50 Speaker 3: grabbing some stuff and I'm like, did you get any

1:05:51 Speaker 3: new like merch for Betty and Barney Hill. And they're

1:05:54 Speaker 3: like no, They're like, but we're having psychics. Psychics serve

1:06:00 Speaker 3: like a thing. Next it's coming up at the place.

1:06:03 Speaker 3: I guess they're having a bunch of psychics come by. Yeah,

1:06:08 Speaker 3: I mean, I think to answer your question, it's kind

1:06:12 Speaker 3: of like I think they're all separate. I think they're

1:06:16 Speaker 3: all separate things. But in terms of like alien non

1:06:25 Speaker 3: human non human intelligence and like spirits or paranormal it

1:06:34 Speaker 3: could technically be connected if aliens are are us in

1:06:43 Speaker 3: a way, if they're if they are us, or if

1:06:48 Speaker 3: it's like proof of some sort of I would guess

1:06:55 Speaker 3: a subspecies.

1:06:58 Speaker 2: Yeah, like of species.

1:07:01 Speaker 1: That evolved here on Earth alongside humanity. That is probably

1:07:08 Speaker 1: if if I had to put money on something, That's

1:07:13 Speaker 1: where i'd go. Is it evolved alongside us and potentially

1:07:18 Speaker 1: needed the ability to cloak itself from us. Right. Whether

1:07:23 Speaker 1: they achieved that technologically or some other way, I'm not sure.

1:07:27 Speaker 1: But one last thing, where where with everything that you've

1:07:32 Speaker 1: seen in the news, Trump, UFOs, UFO files, the the

1:07:36 Speaker 1: Epstein files, do you think that we are close to

1:07:41 Speaker 1: some sort of pinhead moment where the dam finally bursts.

1:07:48 Speaker 2: No, I don't know. I don't know.

1:07:50 Speaker 3: I feel like, you know, people are saying a lot

1:07:55 Speaker 3: of things are coming, but they've been saying that for years,

1:08:01 Speaker 3: So I don't know, And I don't like the timing

1:08:04 Speaker 3: of yeah, like you met, like you said, the Epstein

1:08:07 Speaker 3: files and everything. I think if they're going to do

1:08:11 Speaker 3: a disclosure, they're going to do just a controlled disclosure

1:08:14 Speaker 3: the way that they're going to want to do it,

1:08:17 Speaker 3: and it would probably include most of the things like

1:08:22 Speaker 3: like your viewers are like, you know, stuff that we know,

1:08:25 Speaker 3: like like you know, UFO normies are gonna know this information.

1:08:31 Speaker 3: I feel like this might be they might just like

1:08:33 Speaker 3: come out with things.

1:08:34 Speaker 2: That are already in like archives.

1:08:36 Speaker 3: That we've read like Roswell, you know maybe yeah, Like

1:08:41 Speaker 3: but I to me, disclosure wouldn't be disclosure unless you're

1:08:46 Speaker 3: literally like, oh, here is the alien body or here

1:08:50 Speaker 3: is like here is the full like proof in the pudding,

1:08:56 Speaker 3: And I.

1:08:57 Speaker 1: Why don't they just show up? Just don't they? Just

1:09:02 Speaker 1: because I don't like when people say the prime directive

1:09:04 Speaker 1: and like give me a star trek cancer. I'm like, no,

1:09:07 Speaker 1: come on, think why if this is real.

1:09:10 Speaker 3: We're not ready because like again, I think it's like

1:09:14 Speaker 3: back to the idea of like maybe orbs of light

1:09:16 Speaker 3: or aliens like all that being like integrated, Like maybe

1:09:20 Speaker 3: they're showing up as orbs of light because our brains.

1:09:24 Speaker 1: Or like our reference point for it.

1:09:27 Speaker 2: Can't like comprehend what we're looking at.

1:09:30 Speaker 3: Or like, you know, when they talk about like a

1:09:33 Speaker 3: biblically accurate angel, it's saying be not afraid, and it's

1:09:39 Speaker 3: like got millions of eyes and wings if something with millions?

1:09:44 Speaker 1: What did you feel, I'm sorry, what did you feel

1:09:49 Speaker 1: like you were being when you saw yours? When you

1:09:54 Speaker 1: saw the two orbs of light? You said you felt

1:09:56 Speaker 1: like you were being what yeah, by what eyes? Yeah,

1:10:02 Speaker 1: and a big bright like yeah right. Actually, people picture

1:10:08 Speaker 1: angels is like cherubs because of Renaissance paintings and like

1:10:12 Speaker 1: the you need to for but there was you know again,

1:10:18 Speaker 1: I I tend to think that, like you said, it's

1:10:24 Speaker 1: a misinterpretation, not even a misinterpretation. It's just it's changed

1:10:28 Speaker 1: throughout the time and technological growth, you know, whereas what

1:10:33 Speaker 1: we call gods and demons now we call aliens because

1:10:37 Speaker 1: you know, sci fi movies exist, right, So I'm with

1:10:42 Speaker 1: you there. This has been super fun. You'll have to

1:10:46 Speaker 1: come back. It's been a long.

1:10:47 Speaker 3: Day, but it's been a fantastic guy. And possibly God's

1:10:51 Speaker 3: an alien. Maybe we just had a breakthrough.

1:10:55 Speaker 1: Interesting, do you have anything else? Do they? Do you

1:10:59 Speaker 1: promote any platform or like, is there anywhere people can

1:11:02 Speaker 1: continue to follow what you're seeing, because I know you're

1:11:05 Speaker 1: seeing a lot in the sky that you record on

1:11:08 Speaker 1: your phone and stuff like that put on Instagram.

1:11:10 Speaker 3: So I've just got my own Instagram. So that is

1:11:14 Speaker 3: a White Rabbit ufology. And also there's a Wicked Alien

1:11:23 Speaker 3: radio podcast aka warp on YouTube.

1:11:27 Speaker 2: Can you please check them out?

1:11:30 Speaker 1: I'll put all the links in the description below.

1:11:32 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think they've been.

1:11:35 Speaker 3: I think we're working on doing some meetups with Wicked

1:11:39 Speaker 3: Alien radio podcasts as well. Okay sometimes in the future.

1:11:44 Speaker 3: I saw something pop up about that. So if you

1:11:49 Speaker 3: check out the website too, you should be seeing some events.

1:11:52 Speaker 1: Awesome, was it. Thank you so much for being here. Fun.

1:11:56 Speaker 1: So we'll get together next time, and you know we'll

1:11:59 Speaker 1: we'll sit down and really start flashing out now that

1:12:02 Speaker 1: we get some of the backstory done. Yeah, all right, everyone,

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