"They'll Erase You" -Super Elites-Invention Of Secrecy Act, & UFOs With Steven Greer

0:00 Speaker 2: I want to know.

0:00 Speaker 1: Do you know what technologies and patterns are in there?

0:04 Speaker 1: I do that, okay, can you share some of them

0:06 Speaker 1: with the public?

0:06 Speaker 2: Can do better than that. This would literally end all

0:09 Speaker 2: pollution on Earth, but it would also in poverty on

0:12 Speaker 2: the planet within about twenty years. This is a big announcement.

0:15 Speaker 2: I hope this goes viral because that's what would mean.

0:18 Speaker 2: Their plan is to create a threat from outer space

0:22 Speaker 2: to try to unite the world like Independent State of movie,

0:25 Speaker 2: and it's sort of a military global finto of humans

0:28 Speaker 2: against al back in them the seventies, so they could

0:31 Speaker 2: hit a button basically and stage an alien attack.

0:35 Speaker 1: What do you think about Elon Musk And would is

0:37 Speaker 1: he like a nicol La Tesla?

0:39 Speaker 2: Is you a good guy in your rise ip it

0:41 Speaker 2: was inclined to research this end of it, He wouldn't

0:45 Speaker 2: be making a I call it a fake Tesla. I

0:48 Speaker 2: mean a real Tesla car wouldn't have to be plugged

0:50 Speaker 2: in that existed in nineteen twenties. Nikola Tesla had one.

0:53 Speaker 2: These folks the world is the voice the operator as

0:56 Speaker 2: they want.

0:56 Speaker 1: Who nominates them?

0:58 Speaker 2: Nobody? It's so sensitive. Not going to let the president

1:01 Speaker 2: control this anymore, or the Congress, the big corporate media,

1:05 Speaker 2: left right center. All of it is corruct You're convinced

1:10 Speaker 2: all of it is corrupt, absolutely correct, and the proof

1:14 Speaker 2: of it is.

1:19 Speaker 1: So. A couple months ago I watched his documentary called

1:21 Speaker 1: The Lost Century Blown Away by First I heard about

1:24 Speaker 1: Invention Secrecy Act of nineteen fifty one. I told my wife, baby,

1:26 Speaker 1: you got to watch it. Then I told my son,

1:28 Speaker 1: you gotta watch it. I told everybody you got to

1:30 Speaker 1: watch this documentary. Six thousand patents that were protected by

1:34 Speaker 1: this senator called John Sparkman. It went into effect the

1:37 Speaker 1: nineteen fifty two. Somehow, someway that year, they chose to

1:41 Speaker 1: nominate him on the Democratic Party as the vice president.

1:45 Speaker 1: November one, we test the biggest nuclear test at the

1:49 Speaker 1: time that was seven hundred times more powerful than the

1:52 Speaker 1: one we dropped in Hiroshima. November fifth was election, and

1:56 Speaker 1: then Stephen gury I said, hey, man, I know we

1:58 Speaker 1: did a podcast four years ago. We got a do

2:00 Speaker 1: another one because I got a whole different thing I

2:01 Speaker 1: want to talk to you about. He came on, we

2:03 Speaker 1: had a two and a half hour conversation together. He

2:05 Speaker 1: told me about the fact that the government has access

2:07 Speaker 1: to technology to teleport, you know teleportation we hear about

2:11 Speaker 1: in movies and sci fi and all this stuff. So

2:13 Speaker 1: now they've had access to it for a while. Told

2:16 Speaker 1: the time about and encountered that George HW. Bush Senior

2:21 Speaker 1: had with President Bill Clinton telling him what to stop

2:24 Speaker 1: talking about and not even look into a private conversation

2:28 Speaker 1: he had with Barry Goldwater, lots of weird things, colleagues

2:31 Speaker 1: that were killed for having information. And then today he

2:35 Speaker 1: releases this project he's been working on for many, many years.

2:39 Speaker 1: While you'll have access to all these information from the

2:41 Speaker 1: Inventioned Secrecy Act of nineteen fifty one. Anyways, I don't

2:44 Speaker 1: want to take anything away from this. You will be

2:48 Speaker 1: fascinated by this conversation, especially if you are a capitalist,

2:53 Speaker 1: if you have a family, and you want to find

2:56 Speaker 1: a way to preserve this great, you know world we're

3:00 Speaker 1: living in right earth, and you want it to be

3:03 Speaker 1: around it, and you want to find out who are

3:04 Speaker 1: the power players that are controlling all the good things

3:07 Speaker 1: that could potentially happen to you and I for the future.

3:10 Speaker 1: You're gonna want to watch this thing in its entirety,

3:13 Speaker 1: and you'll think me at the end of the podcast

3:14 Speaker 1: having said that, here's doctor Stephen Greer.

3:18 Speaker 2: Did you ever think.

3:19 Speaker 1: You would make you think you want to make film?

3:22 Speaker 1: I could say, sweetly, did I know this life may

3:26 Speaker 1: have for me? Why would you bet on?

3:29 Speaker 2: Juli? Well, we got vet day value, cament give it.

3:32 Speaker 1: Values could take this world of entrepreneurs. We can't on

3:35 Speaker 1: value that. Hey, it is out of run, homie. Look

3:37 Speaker 1: what I've become. So the last time we were together,

3:44 Speaker 1: you and I was May of twenty twenty, which is

3:46 Speaker 1: a little over four years ago, four years of a month,

3:49 Speaker 1: and it was a fascinating conversation. Millions of people watched it.

3:52 Speaker 1: It was great. We talked about aliens, We talked about

3:54 Speaker 1: your encounters with aliens, experiences, what you've done obviously a doctor, scientist,

3:58 Speaker 1: the things you've worked on. I even think your dad

4:02 Speaker 1: was he working on the certain responsibilities with the atomic

4:06 Speaker 1: for the government.

4:07 Speaker 2: What was your dad's My uncle helped design the lunar module,

4:12 Speaker 2: the lunar's uncle on the moon the first time Armstrong.

4:15 Speaker 1: So this is like, this is in your genes. You've

4:17 Speaker 1: been interested in this for a while and then recently

4:20 Speaker 1: I was late to this. Two months ago I watched

4:25 Speaker 1: the last century right, and how to reclaim it. A

4:28 Speaker 1: documentary they did that I think came out in twenty

4:30 Speaker 1: twenty three, if I'm not mistaken, it came out last year.

4:33 Speaker 1: I watched it and then I was blown away by

4:36 Speaker 1: the Invention Secrecy Act, and I went down a rabbit

4:39 Speaker 1: hole and I wanted to find out who wrote this

4:42 Speaker 1: bill and what happened to the guy that wrote the bill.

4:45 Speaker 1: The guy that wrote the bill, you know who he is,

4:47 Speaker 1: the John Sparksman, I think his name is or something

4:49 Speaker 1: like that. You know, he ends up becoming the vice

4:53 Speaker 1: the nominee for the Democratic vice presidential candidate of nineteen

4:56 Speaker 1: fifty two, exactly the year they wrote the bill, and

4:59 Speaker 1: they're holding go on to six thousand patents. And then

5:02 Speaker 1: I had my wife watch it. Then I had my

5:04 Speaker 1: son watch it. He's here right now. He just met

5:06 Speaker 1: you a few minutes ago, and I think the world

5:08 Speaker 1: needs to know about this. And that's when I said,

5:10 Speaker 1: I think we need to do a part two. And

5:12 Speaker 1: I'm glad you said.

5:13 Speaker 2: Yes, happy to be here. Yeah, So you do a

5:15 Speaker 2: great show.

5:16 Speaker 1: So let's start off with that. I mean, I got

5:18 Speaker 1: a lot of things I want to go through with you.

5:19 Speaker 1: But I want to start off with that. To the

5:21 Speaker 1: average person, when I asked them, have you heard of

5:24 Speaker 1: Invention Secrecy Act? When I tell you ninety nine percent

5:28 Speaker 1: say I've never heard of it. I'm being friendly because

5:32 Speaker 1: one hundred percent people are like, what is the Invention

5:34 Speaker 1: Secrecy Act.

5:35 Speaker 2: Of nineteen fifty one?

5:36 Speaker 1: Can you tell the audience what is the Invention Secrecy

5:38 Speaker 1: Act of nineteen fifty one? Who was behind it and why?

5:42 Speaker 2: Well, it actually became an offfeot of the projects from

5:46 Speaker 2: the forties dealing with energy and technology and propulsion systems that,

5:52 Speaker 2: if they were disclosed, would be the immediate replacement of

5:55 Speaker 2: oil gas coal surface transportation public UTAIL. Well, in today's dollars,

6:02 Speaker 2: you're talking probably over one thousand trillion dollars. So what

6:06 Speaker 2: most people don't realize is that around between nineteen forty

6:10 Speaker 2: five and nineteen fifty four was the heyday of electromagnetic

6:16 Speaker 2: engineering dealing with energy and propulsion. And it was from

6:20 Speaker 2: two sources, research that had been done in the late

6:24 Speaker 2: eighteen hundreds and early twentieth century, and even things that

6:27 Speaker 2: people call anti gravity not the correct scientific term, but

6:31 Speaker 2: let's just go with that. It's really gravity control. Those

6:35 Speaker 2: experiments started in the late twenties with T. Townshend Brown

6:38 Speaker 2: and the Klosky Frosts experiment in Germany and where very

6:42 Speaker 2: high voltage systems would cause objects to lift and basically

6:47 Speaker 2: have mass cancelation and look like they're defining gravity and levitate.

6:51 Speaker 1: This is the g engines you're talking ye about, yep, But.

6:54 Speaker 2: That was earlier. I mean that was later. This is twenties,

6:57 Speaker 2: but those began to be more and more classified. Tea

7:00 Speaker 2: Towns and Browns work became some of the core founding

7:03 Speaker 2: for what's called the Rand Corporation in Ventura, California. But

7:08 Speaker 2: those got populated with the research from retrieving extraterrestrial vehicles

7:14 Speaker 2: in the mid forties and fifties, where they began to

7:18 Speaker 2: study them under a very highly classified project. I have

7:21 Speaker 2: the documents. We've just released all of them to the

7:24 Speaker 2: public last month and our disclosure project Intelligence are but

7:28 Speaker 2: it describes in one of the Canadian top secret documents

7:32 Speaker 2: that a top secret team was working on this in

7:34 Speaker 2: nineteen fifty and the work they were doing surpassed the

7:38 Speaker 2: secrecy of the development of the hydrogen bomb, the ultimate

7:41 Speaker 2: doomsday weapon. You can imagine now, this is an authenticated

7:45 Speaker 2: top secret document. So the punchline on that is there

7:51 Speaker 2: was this technological breakthroughs both human and then studying objects

7:57 Speaker 2: from outer space. Let's say that came together the two

8:01 Speaker 2: mighty rivers that became this torrent, but very classified. So

8:05 Speaker 2: they realized that there are too many people stumbling across this,

8:09 Speaker 2: and they created this act to give the government the

8:13 Speaker 2: power that even if you don't apply for a patent,

8:16 Speaker 2: if they learn you have something that they want to seize,

8:19 Speaker 2: all they have to do is issue a national security

8:22 Speaker 2: order on it. They take it. And this is not

8:24 Speaker 2: a conspiracy theory and all that is just a fact.

8:26 Speaker 2: You can look up the you know, people can look

8:28 Speaker 2: this up. And I am working I've worked over the

8:31 Speaker 2: years of many many people who've had that happen to them,

8:34 Speaker 2: geniuses that have had their work confiscated. And it would

8:38 Speaker 2: be an enormous benefit to humanity. But the super elite,

8:42 Speaker 2: global elite don't want that out. They don't want They

8:45 Speaker 2: didn't want it out in the fifties, they don't want

8:47 Speaker 2: it out now. So that is the core of the

8:49 Speaker 2: secrecy besonding what people call UFOs or UAPs. I mean,

8:53 Speaker 2: that's really the heart of it. The other thing is

8:57 Speaker 2: that when I go into a skiff, a secure compartment

9:01 Speaker 2: information facility where top secret information is exchanged, one of

9:06 Speaker 2: the first things I do, whether it's with the members

9:08 Speaker 2: of Congress or some military people, is to you know,

9:12 Speaker 2: tell them, you know, see this video that the Pentagon

9:15 Speaker 2: is confirmed is real of this UFO flye off the

9:18 Speaker 2: goast California. And they got released few years ago, and

9:22 Speaker 2: I said, just look at that and forget all the

9:24 Speaker 2: esoteric and alien cachet and baggage. That is an alternative

9:29 Speaker 2: energy and propulsion device period. And I said, if you

9:33 Speaker 2: look at how it's moving and the sensors that they

9:36 Speaker 2: put on that thing, both from space and the ship,

9:41 Speaker 2: the big battleship out there, and the jet pilots flying

9:46 Speaker 2: those F eighteens, they'd had no heating signature, you know.

9:51 Speaker 2: And here's the thing. There's no jets, there's no rockets,

9:54 Speaker 2: and if it was a nuclear power plant, it would

9:57 Speaker 2: be very hot because you know, fission is dremely hot.

10:01 Speaker 2: So how is it doing how is it moving like that? Well,

10:04 Speaker 2: it's using this whole new physics. And this is why

10:08 Speaker 2: most of our Air Force and other pilots when they

10:12 Speaker 2: encounter these they immediately assume all of them are alien

10:15 Speaker 2: or extraterrestrial, when in reality, I'd say seventy eighty percent

10:19 Speaker 2: of them are hours highly classified, illegally run covert programs

10:24 Speaker 2: without the oversight of the Congress and the president, so

10:28 Speaker 2: that secrecy has become so embedded. Eisenhower had a pretty

10:32 Speaker 2: good clue about it when he left office, and he said,

10:35 Speaker 2: but where the military industrial complex? And I remember in

10:38 Speaker 2: mind people he's a five star general, right, and a

10:40 Speaker 2: conservative Republican modern republican back then, but he was no

10:45 Speaker 2: enemy of the military. But he warned the dangers to

10:49 Speaker 2: democracy and secrecy because of this. Now he didn't mention

10:52 Speaker 2: the UFO issue, but he was very much read in.

10:56 Speaker 2: And I can prove that our archive goes through that.

10:59 Speaker 2: And he then by nineteen fifty seven to eight was

11:03 Speaker 2: being pushed aside out of the programs. And we actually

11:07 Speaker 2: have an attorney who at the time was a young

11:09 Speaker 2: man the army. His testimony we released in this archive

11:13 Speaker 2: where he says he was at the White House Signal

11:15 Speaker 2: Corps in nineteen, you know, fifteen nine sixty before Eisenhower left,

11:21 Speaker 2: and Eisenhower told him that he was being blocked control

11:25 Speaker 2: over these projects. So these covert programs have been let's

11:29 Speaker 2: just say, off the leash for most of you know,

11:33 Speaker 2: the last sixty So I want to ask you this.

11:36 Speaker 1: So I'm going through timeline while you were talking, and

11:39 Speaker 1: I'm thinking, you know, it's your you know, So Heroshima

11:42 Speaker 1: happened August sixth, nineteen forty five, right, okay. Nagasaki happened

11:46 Speaker 1: August ninth, nineteen forty five.

11:49 Speaker 2: Okay.

11:49 Speaker 1: Invention Secrecy Act happened in nineteen fifty one, which ended

11:53 Speaker 1: up being a law nineteen fifty two led by Senator

11:57 Speaker 1: John Sparksman. Great, and that year he ends up being

12:01 Speaker 1: nominated as the vice president for the Democratic you know nominee.

12:05 Speaker 2: Okay.

12:06 Speaker 1: Then the election that year that the day we voted

12:09 Speaker 1: on Tuesday was November fourth of nineteen fifty two. Three

12:13 Speaker 1: days prior to that, on November one of nineteen fifty two,

12:17 Speaker 1: is the big explosion that we had, the thermal nuclear

12:20 Speaker 1: explosion that took place, rob If you can pull this up,

12:26 Speaker 1: type in hydrogen bomb year. Just type in hydrogen bomb year.

12:30 Speaker 2: Okay.

12:31 Speaker 1: So if you type in hydrogen can you zoom in that?

12:33 Speaker 1: I just want to read that right there. The US

12:35 Speaker 1: tested the first full scale thermal nucular device on November

12:37 Speaker 1: first of nineteen fifty two. The result was an explosion

12:40 Speaker 1: that was equivalent to one of them, one produced by

12:43 Speaker 1: more than ten million tons of TNT. This was approximately

12:48 Speaker 1: seven hundred times the power of the uranium bomb dropped

12:52 Speaker 1: in Hiroshima. Stephen seven hundred. So, so here's what I'm

12:55 Speaker 1: trying to find out. The time span from AUGUSTI, Hiroshima,

13:01 Speaker 1: August nine, Nagasaki, you know, Investion Secrecy Act of nineteen

13:06 Speaker 1: fifty one fifty two becomes in. Then November first, we

13:11 Speaker 1: have the hydrogen bomb. November fourth is the election? Is

13:17 Speaker 1: the reason why they put the Invention Secrecy Act? A

13:20 Speaker 1: noble cause? Or was it the fact that people of

13:23 Speaker 1: big industries were afraid that maybe they're about to lose

13:28 Speaker 1: some of their control and business that they have, because

13:30 Speaker 1: there's a part of it that could be like, No,

13:31 Speaker 1: it was noble. We were worried. We wanted to make

13:33 Speaker 1: sure that certain things wouldn't be available to other people,

13:35 Speaker 1: because if they did, what if out there in the

13:37 Speaker 1: free market place, somebody explodes and messages with US uranium

13:39 Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, we you know, we

13:41 Speaker 1: lose our country, We lose all this stuff. How much

13:43 Speaker 1: do you think was noble? How much of you thinking was, hey,

13:46 Speaker 1: you passed this bill, we'll make you the vice president,

13:49 Speaker 1: we can do this. What do you think happened there?

13:51 Speaker 2: I think it's both. I think for certain, there are

13:56 Speaker 2: certain valid national security secrets that are technological that that

14:01 Speaker 2: should be kept that way, And you know, I don't

14:05 Speaker 2: have agrievance with that. What's terrible is when there are

14:09 Speaker 2: corrupting influences from financial and corporate sectors, that then it's

14:16 Speaker 2: the tail wagon the dog of the government of we

14:18 Speaker 2: the people. Right. And you know, so my great great

14:21 Speaker 2: whatever grandfather was the first prisoner in the American Revolution,

14:25 Speaker 2: and you know, my family, my dad was hand to

14:28 Speaker 2: hand combat World War two in the Pacific. You know,

14:32 Speaker 2: we look at this, many of the people I work

14:34 Speaker 2: with who are special forces in military, and they look

14:37 Speaker 2: at this and they go, well, you know, if you

14:40 Speaker 2: have a corrupting influence and you have that kind of

14:43 Speaker 2: state power, then you can get into trouble if there

14:47 Speaker 2: isn't proper oversight, and there hasn't been. What I'm trying

14:51 Speaker 2: to say is that between the fifties and now after

14:55 Speaker 2: Eisenhower got shoved aside. The folks who have been working

14:58 Speaker 2: and keeping these secrets are not necessarily doing it on

15:02 Speaker 2: behalf of the US government or the American people or

15:06 Speaker 2: the world. They're doing it on behalf of their own interests,

15:09 Speaker 2: which are usually financial and global power related. And that

15:14 Speaker 2: is the problem. It's a big problem when no one's

15:17 Speaker 2: mining the store. This is why I've been trying to

15:18 Speaker 2: get Congress to have a subpoena power through the House

15:23 Speaker 2: Oversight Committee and the members of Congress I've been meeting with,

15:27 Speaker 2: which we'll get into that that's just been blocked by

15:29 Speaker 2: the way, because without that, you know, you really have

15:34 Speaker 2: a Frankenstein we created in secrecy that Eisenhower warned us about.

15:39 Speaker 2: That that's really gone crazy. So, yes, there are some

15:42 Speaker 2: valid national security secrets that we be covered by that.

15:46 Speaker 2: But on the other hand, it's like your grandmother's skirt.

15:50 Speaker 2: It hides everything right, and they can hoover up totally

15:55 Speaker 2: legitimate technologies that for example, you could have an electric

15:59 Speaker 2: car but not have nine hundred pounds of lithium ion batteries.

16:02 Speaker 2: You'd have a battery about this big, and it would

16:06 Speaker 2: start up a electromagnetic generator pulling energy out. We can

16:09 Speaker 2: talk about this what's called the quantum vacuum or zero

16:12 Speaker 2: point energy field, and you never have to plug the

16:15 Speaker 2: thing in, right.

16:16 Speaker 1: So that that was in there at that time.

16:19 Speaker 2: That existed in nineteen twenties, Nikola Tesla had one, and

16:23 Speaker 2: we've documented this. Now. Remember when Nikola Tesla died in

16:27 Speaker 2: nineteen forty three, the FBI went in and sees the

16:30 Speaker 2: I think it was forty some trunks or twenty some

16:34 Speaker 2: trunks of secret papers, and I have a group that's

16:39 Speaker 2: thinking of assuing for those.

16:41 Speaker 1: But those still has that the US government has that

16:43 Speaker 1: or the militant industrial complexes though we don't.

16:45 Speaker 2: This is a good question because where does this stuff

16:48 Speaker 2: go once it gets hoovered up under this secrecy Act?

16:52 Speaker 2: And this is a big problem because you would think,

16:55 Speaker 2: let's make this real for people. Right, So back going

16:59 Speaker 2: thirty well, nineteen ninety three is thirty one years. I

17:04 Speaker 2: was asked as a young doctor to come up and

17:06 Speaker 2: brief the director of the CIA for Bill Clinton or

17:09 Speaker 2: James Woolsey, and it's because he and the President had

17:14 Speaker 2: started looking into this issue, the whole UFO issue, all

17:17 Speaker 2: of it, and they had been denied access and blocked,

17:20 Speaker 2: and we're being lied to. You're in the room with

17:22 Speaker 2: both of them. I'm in the room with the CI

17:24 Speaker 2: director and my POC, my point of contact to him,

17:28 Speaker 2: who is the head of a military think tank. So

17:33 Speaker 2: I thought, honestly, I mean, he put me under the

17:37 Speaker 2: sodium Pentahal. I thought it was a ruse to pick

17:40 Speaker 2: my brain because I had these araspace connections in my family.

17:44 Speaker 2: I had all this information and it was just counterintelligence

17:47 Speaker 2: trying to figure out what I knew. No, it turned

17:49 Speaker 2: out the CI director was completely blocked, the president had

17:52 Speaker 2: been blocked. And then I found out recently Clinton was threatened,

17:58 Speaker 2: and I have a document that also establish just that

18:00 Speaker 2: from someone who was with him, where he admitted that

18:03 Speaker 2: he was personally threatened if he looked into this much further.

18:07 Speaker 2: And so I think this, you know, was my coming

18:11 Speaker 2: of age, to be honest with you, I was always

18:13 Speaker 2: interested in the UFO and ET issue. I had sightings

18:16 Speaker 2: when I was younger, had a family member who designed

18:19 Speaker 2: a thing that landed on the moon with an alarmstrong

18:22 Speaker 2: and yes, we did go. They just didn't tell us

18:24 Speaker 2: everything that happened. But the CI director was shaken and

18:31 Speaker 2: he couldn't get access even with the clearance that a

18:35 Speaker 2: director of CI would have. So there's a parallel, illegal,

18:38 Speaker 2: black government system that I think is mostly corporate. So

18:43 Speaker 2: if you're asked me where the center of power on

18:45 Speaker 2: this is, you know, everyone in Congress and the National

18:50 Speaker 2: Security Council and the President wouldn't add up to anything

18:53 Speaker 2: hill of beans compared to what Lackheed' skunk Works and

18:56 Speaker 2: my uncle's north of Grumm and he had his whole

18:59 Speaker 2: career with Raytheon and some of these other huge behemoths

19:05 Speaker 2: that are contractors but who have highly compartment operations dealing

19:10 Speaker 2: with this. Now we actually have the information and a

19:13 Speaker 2: letter from the director, the head of the Lockheed skunk Works,

19:19 Speaker 2: the top secret aerospace engineering, and it's in the archive.

19:23 Speaker 2: We release this now, both the letter written to him

19:25 Speaker 2: from a friend that his widow gave to us and

19:28 Speaker 2: the reply from Ben Rich and it says point blank,

19:32 Speaker 2: his friend said, do we have these UFOs? And he

19:36 Speaker 2: says yes, some are extraterrestrial, many are hours, and he

19:41 Speaker 2: admits they're hours, meaning human made. So people think that

19:46 Speaker 2: technology stands still. But if you're at the threshold in

19:50 Speaker 2: the twenties thirties, forties discovering this area of science of

19:55 Speaker 2: electromagnetic physics post quantum sort of entanglement can get into

20:00 Speaker 2: this as we're boring for the general public. But and

20:04 Speaker 2: then you know, you have special access projects that are

20:07 Speaker 2: top secret. But then decide it's so sensitive, we're not

20:11 Speaker 2: going to let the president control this anymore or the

20:14 Speaker 2: Congress except for a few devils that they put in

20:17 Speaker 2: there that that do control it. So it's a complicated

20:21 Speaker 2: architecture of this secrecy. You have to throw your civics

20:24 Speaker 2: high school civics book in the trash.

20:26 Speaker 1: So let me let me go back to the Still

20:28 Speaker 1: I'm stuck on this Inventioned Secrecy Act from purely in

20:31 Speaker 1: the capitalistic standpoint, not even the alien side, on all

20:34 Speaker 1: this other stuff that's in there, right, So let's go

20:36 Speaker 1: back to it. So enough energy to you know, zero

20:41 Speaker 1: point energy, which we'll get into. Okay, great, on this

20:43 Speaker 1: Nicola Tesla and what happened to him? And they came

20:45 Speaker 1: and they took the files god knows how many boxes,

20:47 Speaker 1: and they went to Trump's uncle Fred, Trump's brother John.

20:53 Speaker 1: They go to him, Hey, is this anything that's a

20:55 Speaker 1: threat if it's leaked to the public. No, nothing, to

20:58 Speaker 1: worry about. Great, they still end up keeping it anyway,

21:00 Speaker 1: is right. But I'm trying to find out. So if

21:03 Speaker 1: you were to simplify to the audience, the audience wants

21:06 Speaker 1: to know, Hey, Stephen, what are some of those six

21:09 Speaker 1: six thousand patterns that we have and what industries would

21:13 Speaker 1: they destroy? And how how much would our lives improve?

21:18 Speaker 1: For example, you know, one we have access to being

21:22 Speaker 1: able to produce cars that can run on water, and

21:24 Speaker 1: it puts out of a five trillion It puts a

21:26 Speaker 1: five trillion dollar oil industry out of business overnight. You know,

21:30 Speaker 1: we have the you know, pharmaceutical side to be able

21:34 Speaker 1: to come up and you know, solve cancer tonight. You know,

21:39 Speaker 1: we just have because if we do, the amount of

21:41 Speaker 1: chemotherapy business is a such and such amount of billion

21:44 Speaker 1: dollar industry. We don't want to put that out of

21:45 Speaker 1: this we have the ability to do. I want to know,

21:48 Speaker 1: do you know what technologies and patterns are in there?

21:53 Speaker 1: I do that, Okay, Can you share some of them

21:54 Speaker 1: with the public that you know maybe would be reveally.

21:57 Speaker 2: I can do better than that. You go to our

21:59 Speaker 2: archive and there's a whole file of I believe thousands

22:05 Speaker 2: of pages of those that were copied by a man

22:09 Speaker 2: I knew who has passed away named John Benini. And

22:12 Speaker 2: there was a CIA officer who had approached me, but

22:14 Speaker 2: previously had approached him and took him and it's called

22:18 Speaker 2: the Saidjack Files. S G E K I said Jaki.

22:24 Speaker 2: And he was a CI officer who allowed mister Bedini

22:28 Speaker 2: to go into a Badini or Benini Badini b E

22:31 Speaker 2: d I N I John Benini. And he's passed away

22:36 Speaker 2: but a couple of years ago. But this CIA officer,

22:40 Speaker 2: said Jaki, he let him go into a facility where

22:44 Speaker 2: they had confiscated these sort of inventions over many decades,

22:49 Speaker 2: and they had the patents in file cabinets. And he

22:52 Speaker 2: told John Bedini, he said, you know, he was trying

22:56 Speaker 2: to recruit him into the agency in a covert program

22:59 Speaker 2: dealing with technology. So the guy was a genius with

23:02 Speaker 2: electromagnetic engineering, Benini was, and and he let him, for

23:07 Speaker 2: twenty four hours copy anything he wanted. And so he

23:10 Speaker 2: went in he did, but as a CI officer said Jakie,

23:16 Speaker 2: eventually was told no, I'm not going to join your operation.

23:20 Speaker 2: But Bedini had kept a copy of those files, which

23:23 Speaker 2: members of my team digitized.

23:25 Speaker 1: So the CEE. I first, I didn't know he did

23:26 Speaker 1: he took those files.

23:27 Speaker 2: He didn't know he kept a copy. He thought he

23:30 Speaker 2: got them all back, And now we've released them. They

23:34 Speaker 2: were in an encrypted uh CD, I believe, and the

23:40 Speaker 2: encryption has been removed and people can go in there now.

23:44 Speaker 2: Now that was the tip of the iceberg, because I mean,

23:46 Speaker 2: this was a huge facility. It's like the end of

23:48 Speaker 2: the movie where the you know is Steven Spielberg the

23:51 Speaker 2: Raiders of the laws Ark when they're rolling the thing

23:53 Speaker 2: is they go into this big warehouse top or was

23:56 Speaker 2: this facility? It was in the Upper Midwest, is what

23:59 Speaker 2: I've been asked, just to say, in an old school

24:02 Speaker 2: house facility that was cordoned off and look like nothing important, so.

24:07 Speaker 1: You know where it's at, but just you're not able

24:09 Speaker 1: to say, yep, okay, I do know where it got it.

24:11 Speaker 1: And would it be a place that the average person

24:13 Speaker 1: walks by every day and they have no clue what

24:15 Speaker 1: it is?

24:15 Speaker 2: They'd have no idea.

24:16 Speaker 1: And is there protection, like hardcore secret, you know, protection

24:19 Speaker 1: around it that you can't see, or are there are people

24:20 Speaker 1: outside of the building that you could tell that something's

24:22 Speaker 1: weird about this building, there are sensors. Are sensors?

24:25 Speaker 2: Got it?

24:26 Speaker 1: And what are some of the things you guys found,

24:29 Speaker 1: you know, thousands of pages. What are somethings your team

24:31 Speaker 1: and your you and your team found where it's why

24:34 Speaker 1: would they hide something like this from Why would they

24:36 Speaker 1: keep this away from us?

24:37 Speaker 2: Well, they had they had electromagnetic devices that were so

24:40 Speaker 2: called free energy. They had the technologies that would take

24:45 Speaker 2: water as you mentioned, and do the hydrolysis past the

24:49 Speaker 2: Faraday constant where it would be at certain voltages and

24:52 Speaker 2: frequency you get a magnetically charged hydrogen and oxygen gas

24:56 Speaker 2: you can burn get energy. The only pollution is water vapor.

25:00 Speaker 2: You know, all of those sort of technologies. But then

25:03 Speaker 2: there are other things that were even stranger, where you

25:08 Speaker 2: can cause basically atomic changes in the electron shell so

25:16 Speaker 2: as you can move up and down the periodic table

25:18 Speaker 2: at certain frequencies, magnetic field frequencies, so that you could

25:24 Speaker 2: theoretically take ten and turn it into gold transmutation. It's

25:29 Speaker 2: like the alchemist, but it's high tech, and these are

25:32 Speaker 2: very old discoveries. And so one of the big problems

25:36 Speaker 2: is when you ask this question, why wouldn't we have it?

25:41 Speaker 2: The economic power is really about, you know, the money

25:47 Speaker 2: about dollars. But when you start talking about trillions and

25:50 Speaker 2: dozens or hundreds of trillions of dollars, now you're talking

25:53 Speaker 2: about something that is an impact that's way beyond you know,

25:59 Speaker 2: inventing a cell phone or even the Internet. This is

26:03 Speaker 2: way past that because our entire planet is running on

26:06 Speaker 2: an antiquated grid and energy paradigm from the late eighteen hundreds.

26:11 Speaker 2: And if you take a nuclear power plants the mid forties,

26:16 Speaker 2: And what I remind people is, do you really think

26:19 Speaker 2: fundamental energy generation and propulsion technologies haven't gone forward since

26:25 Speaker 2: nineteen forty five? This is ridiculous. But those technologies which

26:31 Speaker 2: prompted these national security patent acts and seizure laws both

26:37 Speaker 2: had applications. It could be sold to Congress because there

26:40 Speaker 2: were legitimate state secrets if you didn't want to just

26:44 Speaker 2: let someone leak out your design for a nuclear warhead,

26:48 Speaker 2: for example. But on the other hand, there are things

26:51 Speaker 2: that would technologies that would greatly benefit humanity. And let

26:55 Speaker 2: me remind people, this would literally end all pollution on Earth,

27:00 Speaker 2: but would also end poverty on the planet within about

27:03 Speaker 2: twenty years. Why right now, you have three billion people

27:07 Speaker 2: on the planet. The economists came out with an article

27:09 Speaker 2: I think two years ago about this that don't even

27:12 Speaker 2: have energy to cook their food, so they're like cutting

27:15 Speaker 2: down any brush in the desert and the rainforest just

27:18 Speaker 2: to be able to have some charcoal to cook food.

27:21 Speaker 2: There's three thousand million people. This isn't sustainable. This is

27:26 Speaker 2: not a way to have a planet. Right, So these

27:29 Speaker 2: technologies would change that, and many, many people in these

27:32 Speaker 2: COVID programs agree this should change. But you're stepping on

27:38 Speaker 2: some very big toes. I mean, you're talking the kind

27:41 Speaker 2: of macroeconomic power globally that is way past anything that

27:46 Speaker 2: the president deals with. Okay, And that's the problem because

27:49 Speaker 2: on the one hand, it's some people have told me

27:52 Speaker 2: who are in this system, it's like the cure is

27:55 Speaker 2: worsen the disease, that to release this it'd be too disruptive.

27:59 Speaker 2: I say, yes, it should have been released one hundred

28:01 Speaker 2: years ago. It would have been transition would have been easy.

28:04 Speaker 2: But now look at the mess we're in because of

28:07 Speaker 2: this secrecy but also the illegal application of it in

28:11 Speaker 2: the last sixty years. Now, that is what Congress right

28:14 Speaker 2: now is trying to grapple with but it's a big

28:17 Speaker 2: mistake for the public to think because you're the chairman

28:20 Speaker 2: of the Senate Intelligence Committee or the co chairman, you're

28:24 Speaker 2: a nobody like mister Rubio. Those folks are told either

28:30 Speaker 2: nothing or some version of a lie that they want

28:33 Speaker 2: to be told. This is what happened to mister Trump,

28:35 Speaker 2: by the way, in his first term, and also mister

28:39 Speaker 2: Pence because of a friend of mister Pinson's family works

28:43 Speaker 2: with me and we found out what happened. But the

28:47 Speaker 2: problem with all of this is what has happened to

28:50 Speaker 2: democracy and oversight and we the people. But also if

28:55 Speaker 2: you know, when you talk about we have a free

28:57 Speaker 2: market economy and capitalism, do we I mean if the

29:01 Speaker 2: most important discoveries and sciences of the last hundred years

29:05 Speaker 2: have been ruthlessly confiscated and kept secret. No, we have

29:09 Speaker 2: a faint shadow. We have a managed economy. You know,

29:13 Speaker 2: it's not quite as managed to say China's or the

29:17 Speaker 2: Soviet unions or Venezuela and control, but it's still controlled

29:21 Speaker 2: and managed. It's a mistake to think it's free free market.

29:25 Speaker 2: It isn't. The only way it could be free is

29:28 Speaker 2: that if the technologies that were not weaponized. And this

29:32 Speaker 2: is when you mentioned that, you know, mister Trump's uncle said, no,

29:36 Speaker 2: these are fine, they're not going to hurt anything. Well,

29:39 Speaker 2: they wouldn't hurt It's not like they're dangerous. It's just

29:42 Speaker 2: that it's going to hurt you if you own, you know,

29:45 Speaker 2: a three dollars trillion dollar oil field off of Venezuela

29:50 Speaker 2: or whatever, and these big interests. So I think this

29:54 Speaker 2: is you know, and I'm not saying that everybody in

29:57 Speaker 2: the oil industry knows about this. They're not. They're just

29:59 Speaker 2: doing their But I'll tell you there's a fortune fifty,

30:04 Speaker 2: Fortune five five hundred, Fortune fifty companies chairperson trying to

30:10 Speaker 2: come forward.

30:12 Speaker 1: And Fortune fifty chairperson that's trying to come forward.

30:16 Speaker 2: Yeah, chairman, former chairman. He's getting up there. He's about

30:20 Speaker 2: seventy nine or eighty.

30:21 Speaker 1: He's still active or former chairman.

30:23 Speaker 2: But he has the documents and the information he wants

30:26 Speaker 2: to come forward with him. But you know, when he

30:28 Speaker 2: reached out to me last year, they threatened him and

30:32 Speaker 2: his family and his grandchildren. Is he a money guy?

30:35 Speaker 2: Does he?

30:35 Speaker 1: Is he financially free?

30:36 Speaker 2: Oh?

30:37 Speaker 1: Sure? I mean, so how do they threaten them? What

30:40 Speaker 1: do they say how do you threaten a person like that?

30:42 Speaker 1: What are we going to do with you?

30:43 Speaker 2: Kill your whole family?

30:45 Speaker 1: No?

30:46 Speaker 2: Who?

30:47 Speaker 1: So who calls a person like that.

30:49 Speaker 2: Really spooky people? I've had him up here in my

30:52 Speaker 2: life and threatened me. I said, buzz off. But you

30:56 Speaker 2: know we've had I've had four people on my.

30:59 Speaker 1: Team killed, four people in your team killed.

31:02 Speaker 2: I have. And you know, when mister Grush was asked

31:05 Speaker 2: about this at the House oversight here in last year,

31:08 Speaker 2: he said yes. And because when mister Grush was working

31:12 Speaker 2: with people that I had been briefing to give information

31:15 Speaker 2: so he could begin to drill down on this. But

31:19 Speaker 2: he was not a direct whistleblower witness. He was actually

31:23 Speaker 2: he's called a whistleblower, but he's not. He didn't directly

31:26 Speaker 2: deal with the technology or the programs. He was investigating

31:30 Speaker 2: them on behalf of the folks that I was given

31:35 Speaker 2: information to just tell them where to go, like I

31:37 Speaker 2: told them exactly where to go in the high daysert

31:39 Speaker 2: of California to find this stuff or you know, wherever.

31:43 Speaker 2: So but you know, someone asked one of the members

31:47 Speaker 2: of the committee, I think it was Congressman Burchett, who

31:52 Speaker 2: had been working with asked, well, have people been killed?

31:54 Speaker 2: And of course a few months earlier, I think it

31:56 Speaker 2: was January of last year. There was a peripheral person

32:01 Speaker 2: on that team who was killed because he stuck his

32:04 Speaker 2: nose in their own place. The people are very naive, frankly,

32:08 Speaker 2: if they don't think this kind of corrupt power, you

32:13 Speaker 2: think of the worst thing you've ever heard about, the

32:15 Speaker 2: mafia or the mob on steroids, hyper charge on steroids.

32:19 Speaker 2: But let's say, let's stay on that. That's what you're

32:22 Speaker 2: dealing with. Sure, thugs.

32:23 Speaker 1: Four people that were killed? Are your team? Their public like?

32:27 Speaker 1: How were they killed and how recent was it?

32:29 Speaker 2: Oh, this guy's back in the nineties.

32:32 Speaker 1: What were you talking about? And that you know, what

32:35 Speaker 1: were they talking about or digging? That cost them their lives?

32:38 Speaker 2: They were decover sources giving me information, so they were

32:42 Speaker 2: they had job before I had good security in place

32:45 Speaker 2: and I didn't have what I have in place now,

32:47 Speaker 2: which I call.

32:47 Speaker 1: Can you say what they did for a living or no?

32:50 Speaker 2: Uh? Oh, well they were various. Well, one was a

32:52 Speaker 2: military naval intelligence guy, one with CIA H and one

32:57 Speaker 2: was an assistant of mine.

32:59 Speaker 1: It was at of yours. I'm a good friend. How

33:01 Speaker 1: did he get killed. She how did she get killed?

33:04 Speaker 2: It was basically a chemical weapon that was induced a

33:10 Speaker 2: very aggressive cancer very quickly. And you know, I have

33:13 Speaker 2: an FBI lady on my team who is a special

33:16 Speaker 2: agent and she alway. I have one hundred and fifty substances.

33:19 Speaker 1: Like that, one hundred and fifty substances to inject cancer

33:21 Speaker 1: into somebody.

33:22 Speaker 2: Or brush up against someone or do something that will

33:24 Speaker 2: kill them.

33:25 Speaker 1: Yeah, brush up against somebody like there was a movie

33:27 Speaker 1: I watch about the brushing up to somebody. That absolutely

33:29 Speaker 1: so that's not just a movie. In real life, we

33:31 Speaker 1: can do that as Okay, So let let's go back

33:34 Speaker 1: to this.

33:34 Speaker 2: So this this is but let's go back to the

33:37 Speaker 2: point I'm making, and that is people are afraid and

33:41 Speaker 2: they should be. Now this is why I mean, going

33:44 Speaker 2: back to ninety four, asked the president at the time

33:46 Speaker 2: Clinton to do an executive order protecting high value whistleblowers

33:51 Speaker 2: and witnesses who whether corporate or government, military, CIA, and

33:56 Speaker 2: no one would do it. I have a big announcement.

34:00 Speaker 2: I'm saying this on your show now because it starts

34:03 Speaker 2: June twentieth. There is a special access project that has

34:09 Speaker 2: been stood up that is going to provide this kind

34:15 Speaker 2: of security and protection to whistleblowers and high value witnesses

34:22 Speaker 2: that are been sitting on the fence coming forward. This

34:25 Speaker 2: is a big announcement. I hope this goes viral because

34:28 Speaker 2: that's what we need now. I asked the Congress to

34:31 Speaker 2: put that in a bill, but they're not quite at

34:33 Speaker 2: the point where they realize lethal force has been used.

34:36 Speaker 2: There is still a little bit naive. And so since

34:40 Speaker 2: lethal force has been authorized. In fact, not long ago,

34:43 Speaker 2: there was a meeting and a skiff talking about engaging

34:47 Speaker 2: the wetworks. Wetworks is a term for assassinations Houston be

34:52 Speaker 2: an old Soviet term and wet from blood. But those

34:55 Speaker 2: sort of operations is not some kind of movie. You know,

34:59 Speaker 2: it's real. I've dealt with it, and you know this,

35:02 Speaker 2: This chairman of this huge former chairman of this big

35:06 Speaker 2: fortune fifty corporation, he desperately he regrets what he did,

35:13 Speaker 2: you know, and he has stated to us that the

35:16 Speaker 2: whole world decades ago, could have had quote unquote free

35:19 Speaker 2: energy with these technologies, and look at the state it's in.

35:22 Speaker 2: So let me. He really wants to come forward, but

35:25 Speaker 2: he's scared. So I'm saying, look, I'm going to try

35:27 Speaker 2: to set this up. I see what you're saying. So

35:28 Speaker 2: this is a big announcement that there's I can't say

35:31 Speaker 2: what agency it's under, but it is an authorized special

35:35 Speaker 2: access project that can monitor security and provide security and

35:39 Speaker 2: to whistleblowers. Two whistleblowers, yes, and witnesses. People who have

35:45 Speaker 2: been in these projects seen things that want to come forward,

35:48 Speaker 2: or they may have documents like this General.

35:50 Speaker 1: Is this an agency that has a lot of credibility today?

35:53 Speaker 2: I don't think any government agency in the United States

35:55 Speaker 2: has a lot of credibility today.

35:57 Speaker 1: Is this a three letter agency that we're familiar with?

36:01 Speaker 2: It would certainly be known by any educated American, But

36:03 Speaker 2: I can't comment beyond that. But I will say that

36:07 Speaker 2: the people in it are all folks who had been

36:09 Speaker 2: in special forces, and they are not in the military

36:15 Speaker 2: now because you can't do that. Of course, you know,

36:17 Speaker 2: a military cant act domestically. And they're wonderful people. And

36:24 Speaker 2: so I've been working with these folks for a while,

36:27 Speaker 2: providing them an unredacted version of the archive we just released,

36:33 Speaker 2: meaning unredacted. It has all the names, It has seven

36:37 Speaker 2: hundred and sixty some whistleblowers in it now. You know,

36:41 Speaker 2: if you go to the archive, you'll see I think

36:44 Speaker 2: we have one hundred and twenty some whistleblowers and witnesses, name, rank,

36:48 Speaker 2: serial number, and their video testimony, not one or two,

36:51 Speaker 2: not five. So what's in this archive? If the Congress

36:54 Speaker 2: held hearings starting next week from Monday through Friday nine

36:58 Speaker 2: to five.

36:59 Speaker 1: These are the May thirteen, twenty twenty four.

37:02 Speaker 2: Yeah, look at this. Yeah, it seven hundred and some,

37:05 Speaker 2: but the first one hundred and some are people we've

37:08 Speaker 2: already interviewed. We have their DD two fourteen's discharge forms,

37:11 Speaker 2: we have video, most of them on video testimony.

37:14 Speaker 1: Are these all public?

37:16 Speaker 2: It's all public. Anyone who with a computer on planet

37:18 Speaker 2: Earth can see these. Can they see the videos? Or

37:20 Speaker 2: that's being released? Both? Is it already released? Yes, sir? Okay?

37:25 Speaker 1: And what's the website that they can go to?

37:27 Speaker 2: Uh? This, well, we want to put that up. This

37:30 Speaker 2: is a DP like Disclosure Project Intelligence are is DP

37:35 Speaker 2: I are a DPPIA. Yeah? Archive, Yeah, we'll put that below.

37:41 Speaker 2: Wear it right. Yeah, we just released this last week,

37:44 Speaker 2: and of course we had about thousands of bots that

37:47 Speaker 2: invaded the site try to shut it down, so we

37:49 Speaker 2: are asking people to register. It's free. We have a

37:54 Speaker 2: crowdfunding program because it's probably going to cost us I

37:58 Speaker 2: don't know, tens of thousands of dollars in mone and

38:00 Speaker 2: usage fees. But the reason I did this, and I've

38:04 Speaker 2: never done this, if you want to hear an interesting

38:07 Speaker 2: backstory of how accidents happen weird, you know, like why

38:13 Speaker 2: would I do something like this? And this is all

38:15 Speaker 2: stuff out of my own archive thirty four years of

38:18 Speaker 2: accumulated information. And it also is the Black Site list

38:23 Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty some black sites where they are,

38:27 Speaker 2: and also links to testimony from witnesses about what's there

38:31 Speaker 2: underground and deep underground military bases or skiffs, secure compartment

38:36 Speaker 2: information facilities. So some of them people have heard of,

38:40 Speaker 2: like Nellis Air Force Base and Edwards some people know.

38:44 Speaker 2: Most people have.

38:44 Speaker 1: Never heard of black sites, seaie controls, black sites used

38:48 Speaker 1: by the US government and it's War on Terror to

38:51 Speaker 1: detain people deemed to be enemy combatants.

38:55 Speaker 2: Well, not that that's what we have various sites, but

38:59 Speaker 2: I'm talking about where retrieved UFOs have been put, where

39:03 Speaker 2: reverse engineered objects are located, where the man made ones

39:07 Speaker 2: are when we knock one down with an electromagnetic or weapon,

39:11 Speaker 2: a directional energy weapon. Where are those taken? Where have

39:14 Speaker 2: they been studied? All that's in the archive, So it's

39:19 Speaker 2: a massive data.

39:20 Speaker 1: Let me go through a couple of things here. So

39:22 Speaker 1: one this chairman of a fortune former chairman of a

39:26 Speaker 1: fortune fifty company.

39:28 Speaker 2: Great guy.

39:28 Speaker 1: If any of these, if these six thousand patents were

39:32 Speaker 1: to be released, and right now, if I'm not mistaken,

39:35 Speaker 1: the punishment is they give you seventy five percent of

39:38 Speaker 1: what they think the patent is worth.

39:39 Speaker 2: I believe that's what they say.

39:41 Speaker 1: And then if you sell it off to somebody else

39:45 Speaker 1: and they find out, you're going to jail for the

39:46 Speaker 1: rest of your life. If you even talk about it,

39:49 Speaker 1: you're going to jail for the rest of your life.

39:51 Speaker 1: And if you go on Invention Secrecy Act of nineteen

39:53 Speaker 1: fifty one, the way they categorize on what goes in there.

39:57 Speaker 1: Right there, if you can read it, folks, the Invention

39:59 Speaker 1: Secrecy Act that allows the US government to classify ideas

40:01 Speaker 1: and patents under secrecy orders, which definitely restrict public knowledge

40:06 Speaker 1: of them. And at the top, if you read it,

40:08 Speaker 1: the United States federal law designed to prevent disclosure of

40:11 Speaker 1: noon investigations, the opinion and technologies that in the opinion

40:16 Speaker 1: of selected federal agencies. So it's purely opinion based of

40:19 Speaker 1: selected federal agencies, present an alleged threat. It's alleged threat

40:24 Speaker 1: to the economic stability in national security United States. Okay,

40:27 Speaker 1: so energy oil. Let's just go through ex On Mobile

40:30 Speaker 1: right now. Market cap June twenty twenty four. It's four

40:32 Speaker 1: hundred andninety seven billion dollars half a trillion out of

40:34 Speaker 1: company chevron Is two eighty four, Petro China two forty four.

40:38 Speaker 1: But that's China, India UK. Set them aside. You got

40:41 Speaker 1: a few other companies. You got BP one hundred billion

40:43 Speaker 1: out of companies. These are not small companies. We're talking

40:46 Speaker 1: about Shell to eighteen. Right, I can go through a

40:49 Speaker 1: bunch of these that we know about. If these things

40:54 Speaker 1: were released, how long before these industries were one wiped out?

41:00 Speaker 2: Or? Would it be nasty?

41:02 Speaker 1: Would it be ugly? Would it be a danger to society?

41:08 Speaker 1: Would people be doing would protesting riots?

41:12 Speaker 2: Ugliness?

41:12 Speaker 1: Power players coming and saying you're touching my wealth?

41:15 Speaker 2: What are you doing?

41:16 Speaker 1: What would happen if this actually was to be released?

41:20 Speaker 2: Well, see, this is the tragedy of corrupt interests keeping

41:24 Speaker 2: good science away from the public for over one hundred years. Yes,

41:28 Speaker 2: it's going to be very difficult. It's like an addiction

41:32 Speaker 2: the current energy paradigm. The whole planet is now addicted

41:35 Speaker 2: to substances that are not only cancer causing and bad

41:39 Speaker 2: for the environment, but costly. And that leaves, as I mentioned,

41:43 Speaker 2: three billion people with no means even to cook their food.

41:46 Speaker 2: So that paradigm should have been retired, but we can't

41:50 Speaker 2: help that. We have to take the fact this is

41:52 Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, and so what I have always said

41:55 Speaker 2: is that it has to be released and then transition.

41:58 Speaker 2: But keep in mind, let's take one example, since you're

42:01 Speaker 2: getting into the macroeconomics of this. We make on the

42:06 Speaker 2: planet about one hundred million motor vehicles a year, but

42:09 Speaker 2: there are one and a half billion motor vehicles on

42:12 Speaker 2: the road, cars and trucks. So even if you retooled

42:16 Speaker 2: and twinkled your nose like bewitched or something, and retrofitted

42:21 Speaker 2: all vehicle manufacturing to these systems, it would take about

42:28 Speaker 2: fifteen years, and to tool up it'll be five. So

42:32 Speaker 2: you're talking twenty years now. I'll probably be dead because

42:35 Speaker 2: I turned sixty nine this week the next week, and

42:38 Speaker 2: you know your children will be in college. And so

42:41 Speaker 2: even if we did it immediately, because there's a lag time,

42:45 Speaker 2: because we're not talking about, you know, downloading an app.

42:49 Speaker 2: We're talking about heavy industry here, we're talking about public utilities.

42:53 Speaker 2: We're talking about manufacturing a box that would be at

42:56 Speaker 2: your house that would generate all the energy you need

42:58 Speaker 2: for your home, no bill, no power bill, and no pollution.

43:02 Speaker 2: But to retrofit three billion households on the planet two

43:07 Speaker 2: and a half billion, this is a massive I mean,

43:10 Speaker 2: this makes the Marshall Plan after World War Two look

43:12 Speaker 2: like nothing. So yes, this is what I've been saying

43:15 Speaker 2: the policy makers. This needs to happen. It will happen.

43:19 Speaker 2: But the longer this is like a leak in your roof, right,

43:22 Speaker 2: the longer you put that off, the harder and the

43:26 Speaker 2: mess is going to be to clean up, and the

43:28 Speaker 2: more damage. So this is the tragedy of it is

43:32 Speaker 2: that this was allowed to go on. And one of

43:34 Speaker 2: the things I've observed people in periods of enormous power

43:39 Speaker 2: and responsibility when they realize when I go into a facility,

43:44 Speaker 2: I say, see that thing that's an alternative energy and

43:46 Speaker 2: propulsion device, what people call a UFO. Well, once they

43:51 Speaker 2: realize what these implications are, then they get scared. They

43:56 Speaker 2: get to the edge of the table or the edge

43:59 Speaker 2: of the cliff and back off. So here we are now.

44:02 Speaker 2: I've spent thirty four years trying to resolve this problem,

44:06 Speaker 2: literally fifty percent of my biological life. And it's a

44:09 Speaker 2: very heavy lift and a very dangerous lift. But you know,

44:14 Speaker 2: what are we going to leave to our children, your children,

44:16 Speaker 2: my grab twelve grandchildren. What are we leaving you know,

44:21 Speaker 2: on this planet to them? And I think beyond that,

44:26 Speaker 2: there's even a bigger issue not being addressed. Some of

44:30 Speaker 2: these UFOs or UAPs are from extraterrestrial origin. None of

44:34 Speaker 2: them are hostile, but we have been targeting them with

44:38 Speaker 2: electromagnetic directional energy weapons since the forties, and those technologies

44:45 Speaker 2: have become more and more sophisticated. And you know, they

44:49 Speaker 2: have not struck back. If they did, the whole planet

44:52 Speaker 2: would come to a standstill. Because I think they're fundamentally

44:55 Speaker 2: peaceful and very highly developed socially and spiritually. However, how

45:00 Speaker 2: do we know that, Well, because there have been a

45:02 Speaker 2: lot of people who have had contact and there's no

45:04 Speaker 2: evidence otherwise. Now, there are some scary stories what we

45:07 Speaker 2: call the stagecraft of you, so called abductions and mutilations

45:13 Speaker 2: and things like that, but those are all done by

45:15 Speaker 2: covert human programs. Those are lookalikes. We can get into that.

45:19 Speaker 2: I mean, that's a whole Actually, there's a whole section

45:22 Speaker 2: of the archive on that, and we actually document this.

45:25 Speaker 2: I have top secret guys who come forward on the

45:27 Speaker 2: record stating point blank that they had been part of

45:31 Speaker 2: operations abducting people. And in fact, the very famous astrophysicist

45:38 Speaker 2: doctor Jacques Ballet, who some of his work ended up

45:41 Speaker 2: in Steven Spielberg's movie Close Encounters of the Third Kind,

45:46 Speaker 2: and he's up in his eighties now, and in nineteen

45:48 Speaker 2: ninety two he wrote, he wrote a book, and he

45:51 Speaker 2: had a log entry where he had received a nineteen

45:55 Speaker 2: eighty five CIA document that outlined for psychological warfare purposes

46:02 Speaker 2: them using these advanced technologies that look like an alien

46:06 Speaker 2: craft and other technologies to quote abduct peasants in Argentina

46:12 Speaker 2: and Brazil for their psychological warfare value. Now that's in

46:16 Speaker 2: black and white, and so people go, this sounds crazier

46:20 Speaker 2: than the myth you've been told, and it is, but

46:23 Speaker 2: why would they do that. Vernavon Brown, in his deathbed

46:27 Speaker 2: in nineteen seventy four, told a member of my team,

46:29 Speaker 2: Carol Rosen, that their plan is to create, eventually and

46:34 Speaker 2: hoax a threat from outer space to try to unite

46:37 Speaker 2: the world like independence stay of the movie, and it's

46:40 Speaker 2: sort of a military global junta of humans against aliens.

46:44 Speaker 2: It's all nonsense. It's bs, but it sells well, sells movies,

46:49 Speaker 2: it sells tickets, it sells books. This is the Bluebeam project.

46:52 Speaker 2: Blue Beam, Yeah, that related to that, and I've met

46:55 Speaker 2: with many men who've been on operationally, like literally have

46:59 Speaker 2: been operational on those programs. Now, it went from really

47:03 Speaker 2: clunky stuff like the Betty and Barney Hill abduction. People

47:08 Speaker 2: think that was alien It wasn't US late fifties, early sixties,

47:14 Speaker 2: and I think President Obama's actually working on a documentary

47:18 Speaker 2: about that. And it was an interracial couple and very

47:21 Speaker 2: interesting story. But most people have no idea what really

47:24 Speaker 2: happened with that. And this is one of the really

47:27 Speaker 2: disturbing parts of this archive is what are the technologies

47:31 Speaker 2: that are in the hands of these sort of monsters

47:34 Speaker 2: and how have they used it to deceive the public

47:37 Speaker 2: but also deceive policymakers and presidents. You know, I talked

47:43 Speaker 2: to a man named Colonel Holman, Joe L. M An.

47:46 Speaker 2: He's passed away, and this was maybe five years ago,

47:49 Speaker 2: and he was on a committee trying to sell first Carter,

47:54 Speaker 2: who wouldn't bite, and then President Reagan on SDI Star

47:58 Speaker 2: Wars Strategic Defense Initiative, and they weren't biting. And then

48:03 Speaker 2: he said, what we did. We eventually played the alien

48:06 Speaker 2: threat card and that's when Reagan signed on to it. Now,

48:11 Speaker 2: he was prepared to do so because I'm working with

48:15 Speaker 2: an older CI officer with a PhD. That some of

48:21 Speaker 2: his information is in the archive, but his name's protected

48:23 Speaker 2: because we still work together. And he actually was a postdoc,

48:29 Speaker 2: had a PhD and briefed candidate Ronald Reagan in nineteen

48:34 Speaker 2: seventy nine when he was thinking of running for president

48:36 Speaker 2: on the UFO issue. Because Reagan had had a couple

48:39 Speaker 2: of sightings, including one on the governor's plane that you

48:42 Speaker 2: may have heard about. It is well documented, and so

48:47 Speaker 2: you know, President Reagan not here's one of the problems

48:52 Speaker 2: of the president. You get into a position and say

48:56 Speaker 2: you're a governor, you're a real estate developer like mister Trump,

48:58 Speaker 2: whatever you are, or you know, mister Carter was said

49:02 Speaker 2: he was a peanut farmer exactly, a nuclear engineer and

49:05 Speaker 2: the top of his class, and an apple is very smart,

49:07 Speaker 2: probably our highest ich president politically not very good, but

49:12 Speaker 2: he was very very smart. But and you're going to

49:16 Speaker 2: come in there and the people who are going to

49:18 Speaker 2: come in and brief you on this. If you ask,

49:20 Speaker 2: you're either gonna be told nothing. And I know this,

49:22 Speaker 2: so I've dealt with it pretty much every bit of

49:24 Speaker 2: presidential involvement since nineteen since Clinton. You're either gonna be

49:31 Speaker 2: told nothing or you're gonna be told a version of

49:35 Speaker 2: the truth that manipulates you into decisions they want to make,

49:38 Speaker 2: they want you to make. And that's what happened to

49:41 Speaker 2: mister Trump and mister Pens and also to Ronald Reagan.

49:45 Speaker 2: So it's dangerous that kind of secrecy. Let me tell

49:50 Speaker 2: you why it's so dangerous. It's the Foxes, and there's

49:54 Speaker 2: manning the Henhouse. You know who's overseeing this, right, who's

49:59 Speaker 2: looking into the and who is in charge? Well, it

50:02 Speaker 2: certainly isn't the president. They come and go every four

50:04 Speaker 2: to eight years. Members of Congress come and go all

50:06 Speaker 2: the time. So there's sort of this permanent committee a

50:10 Speaker 2: few hundred people. And they've arrogated this because it's so secret,

50:16 Speaker 2: the right to do this. But they cannot be trusted.

50:19 Speaker 2: Who do they report to themselves? I mean, this is

50:23 Speaker 2: a global operation. And by the way, what i'm global operations?

50:27 Speaker 2: So from this one hundred percent, no it take the

50:29 Speaker 2: map of the world and erase all the geopolitical lines.

50:32 Speaker 2: It doesn't matter. And that's actually when the Senate Intelligence

50:36 Speaker 2: people wanted me to come in. There was a map

50:38 Speaker 2: of the world in the conference room in the skiff,

50:41 Speaker 2: and I said, see that map, erased all the lines

50:44 Speaker 2: on it. This is these folks. The world is a royster.

50:48 Speaker 2: They operate as they want. Who nominates them, nobody. They

50:52 Speaker 2: move up through the chain of command or through corporations.

50:54 Speaker 2: How do you move up? You're moved up by giving

50:57 Speaker 2: a little information. See what you do with it and

51:01 Speaker 2: if you can keep the secrecy. But more importantly, once

51:04 Speaker 2: you reach a certain level of clearance, when you realize

51:08 Speaker 2: how monstrous and criminal the operations are, will you stay

51:12 Speaker 2: with that. I'm dealing with a team right now that

51:16 Speaker 2: I can't see. I won't even say what state they're in,

51:19 Speaker 2: but let's just say. In September I was on a

51:21 Speaker 2: classified helicopter over two black sites and was shown where

51:27 Speaker 2: the underground openings are out in the desert, where the

51:31 Speaker 2: man made ones come up and are tested. But there

51:35 Speaker 2: are also electromagnetic pulse weapons that are illegal by the

51:40 Speaker 2: Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty that are and I have video

51:44 Speaker 2: and photos of this. One of the photos is in

51:47 Speaker 2: the archive. I'll just tell you that. And there looks

51:52 Speaker 2: like there's a landing strip. It's not. It's an area

51:54 Speaker 2: with diamonds on it, and that's where the man made

51:58 Speaker 2: some people call them Arab alien reproduction vehicles come up

52:02 Speaker 2: from underground, and I have the photos and video underground opening.

52:06 Speaker 2: We went right around it because this guy was cleared.

52:08 Speaker 2: He's one of the top people in the system, but

52:11 Speaker 2: he's wanting to defect, and.

52:12 Speaker 1: It's one of these one hundred people in one of

52:14 Speaker 1: these couple hundred people.

52:16 Speaker 2: He's very high up. I wouldn't say he's on that

52:18 Speaker 2: policy level, but operationally he's read in. He's been read

52:22 Speaker 2: in for many, many, many years, and he's very high up.

52:25 Speaker 1: What's his reason. And so what did you went there

52:27 Speaker 1: and you actually saw it?

52:28 Speaker 2: Yeah, videotape. I have all of it, and it's public,

52:32 Speaker 2: some of it off the air. I'll show you the video, okay.

52:36 Speaker 2: And so that in September, and then of course I

52:38 Speaker 2: was almost killed in October.

52:40 Speaker 1: I think I mentioned how'd you get almost killed? In October?

52:43 Speaker 2: Oh? Someone tampered with my mountain bike seat and it

52:45 Speaker 2: snapped off and I was going fast and my left

52:48 Speaker 2: foot came off and two bones were in the air,

52:50 Speaker 2: and my left shoulder came off, and my admirin and

52:52 Speaker 2: got I had four surgeries in three months. Got to

52:54 Speaker 2: be kidding me. I'm up doing everything now. But it

52:57 Speaker 2: was hell on Earth.

52:57 Speaker 1: But you know it's not the first And how do

53:01 Speaker 1: you know what was tampered? Would how do you know somebody?

53:02 Speaker 2: Well, I mean it wasn't the bike that it was

53:05 Speaker 2: like the whole thing that was kind of a salted

53:07 Speaker 2: and snapped off. We can't prove anything. I'm in who cares?

53:11 Speaker 2: I mean, you know I as an emergency doctor. You

53:15 Speaker 2: know I'm a trauma doctor. Anyway, Ironically, I'm laying there

53:18 Speaker 2: going It's like an out of body experience, seeing me

53:20 Speaker 2: there with my foot off and the bones in the air.

53:23 Speaker 2: But I go, you know, the only thing I said,

53:26 Speaker 2: I'm f't you know it was That's the only thing

53:28 Speaker 2: I said. But you know it was a full time

53:31 Speaker 2: How much do you because you're in this world, who

53:35 Speaker 2: do you trust?

53:36 Speaker 1: Like? What? What? How do you process? Who you can

53:39 Speaker 1: trust and who you can't trust? Oh, it's like the

53:43 Speaker 1: things it is in the Bible. You shalln't know them

53:45 Speaker 1: by their deeds.

53:46 Speaker 2: So well, my wife, my close circle of friends I've

53:49 Speaker 2: had for fifty sixty years, my assistant who's been with

53:55 Speaker 2: me for a quarter of a century, and other people,

53:58 Speaker 2: and you know, now they're this whole team of you know,

54:02 Speaker 2: special Forces folks and people who are defecting that I

54:07 Speaker 2: were very close and who are enormously courageous men who

54:13 Speaker 2: want to do the right thing for the world and

54:14 Speaker 2: for the country. You know, Green Berets and Navy seals

54:18 Speaker 2: some of them, but these are some of them are

54:22 Speaker 2: still very active. Some have separated from the military and

54:24 Speaker 2: are working in private. But they're all gathering to do

54:28 Speaker 2: this disclosure of the subject. And then what I just mentioned,

54:32 Speaker 2: the gentleman who had me on the chop or over

54:34 Speaker 2: these black sites in September. There's a whole team that

54:37 Speaker 2: he is involved with at these sensitive facilities that are

54:42 Speaker 2: so the word used when he first reached out to

54:44 Speaker 2: me was fed up. They are fed up with what's

54:47 Speaker 2: happening to the planet. They're fed up with the illegal secrecy,

54:51 Speaker 2: and they're fed up with some of the atrocities that

54:53 Speaker 2: are happening that they've been part of. And you know,

54:56 Speaker 2: it's very emotional for these men.

55:02 Speaker 1: This chairman of the former you know, former chairman of

55:05 Speaker 1: the Fortune fifty company. If he comes out, what would

55:10 Speaker 1: he be leaking as a whistleblower to the to the country,

55:14 Speaker 1: to the world.

55:15 Speaker 2: Well, he'd be leaking that one of the largest corporations

55:17 Speaker 2: in the world and certainly in America had worked on

55:20 Speaker 2: these programs and he has with them in his possession

55:24 Speaker 2: the schematics and plans for these technologies and devices. And

55:30 Speaker 2: he wants to hand him over before he passes away,

55:34 Speaker 2: but he doesn't want to see any collateral damage with

55:37 Speaker 2: his family. So that's why I mentioned, you know, I've

55:40 Speaker 2: been trying to get this sort of protection, and even

55:43 Speaker 2: with that, I'm not sure who wants. You know, people

55:45 Speaker 2: get very cold feet. I mean, I'll tell you a

55:48 Speaker 2: weird story that happened in the past year. There was

55:51 Speaker 2: a man who had worked out of the Northern Nevada

55:54 Speaker 2: Test Range. His testimony and information and the drawings of

55:58 Speaker 2: this event are in the archive, and we took his

56:01 Speaker 2: name out because he doesn't want to be known publicly yet.

56:05 Speaker 2: But he reached out to me about this and he

56:07 Speaker 2: was on a retrieval team. So it was at a

56:11 Speaker 2: If you go from Nellis Air Force Base way north

56:14 Speaker 2: where the atomic the nuclear test range was where we

56:18 Speaker 2: did open air testing, there's a huge area and there's

56:21 Speaker 2: an underground base there and facility, and there's a team

56:25 Speaker 2: and a helicopter pad team with Delta Force guys and

56:29 Speaker 2: then this guy had been part of the retrieval operation

56:33 Speaker 2: and hasmat suits. He was first put in there to

56:37 Speaker 2: retrieve man made the triangular UFOs that are coming out

56:41 Speaker 2: of north of Grumman and raytheon that would malfunction and crash,

56:45 Speaker 2: and we have great artists rendition of exactly what these

56:48 Speaker 2: look like. Then he was moved into an operation where

56:52 Speaker 2: they would target someone was targeting not him, the extra

56:56 Speaker 2: trestor ones and stunned them and they would go in

56:59 Speaker 2: theo retree them. And when he realized what we were doing,

57:03 Speaker 2: and he had an encounter with two of these events

57:06 Speaker 2: extraterrestrial biological entities, so was what they're called, or aliens.

57:10 Speaker 2: I don't use the word aliens, people think of someone

57:12 Speaker 2: from Peru. But what happened is he was so second

57:20 Speaker 2: by what they were doing. He tried to separate from

57:23 Speaker 2: the operation, which you generally can't do. But he had

57:26 Speaker 2: an uncle and we know who he is, very high

57:29 Speaker 2: up in this cleandestine program, who helped get him out.

57:32 Speaker 2: But then he subsequently went through a whole series of events,

57:37 Speaker 2: including an attempted alien abduction with these fake looking gray aliens,

57:43 Speaker 2: and he actually knocked one down. We have a great

57:45 Speaker 2: artistic our artists rendering and how it split open what

57:48 Speaker 2: looked like the skin, and they were all fiber optics

57:51 Speaker 2: and integrated circuits and stuff. This stuff is very sophisticated technology,

57:57 Speaker 2: way beyond what people can imagine we might have. So

58:01 Speaker 2: when he reached out to me, he was going to

58:03 Speaker 2: come actually to the National Press Club and the congressional

58:06 Speaker 2: things we did last summer in June a year ago.

58:09 Speaker 2: And a van pulls up, an suv pulls up. Guys

58:13 Speaker 2: come out and they say you've stepped one step further.

58:19 Speaker 2: Look at your phone, and they had put child pornography

58:22 Speaker 2: all over his phone, all over his computers, and says,

58:24 Speaker 2: you won't see your two little children again because he

58:27 Speaker 2: was recently in these programs. You'll spend the rest of

58:29 Speaker 2: your life in prison. And he called me up. Now,

58:34 Speaker 2: if some nonsense like that happens to one of my guys,

58:37 Speaker 2: now it'll be monitored. If they come forward, to hand

58:41 Speaker 2: them off to this Special Access Projects team that have

58:44 Speaker 2: this monitoring capability, they will open a criminal file and

58:48 Speaker 2: arrest and open a criminal prosecution whoever threatens these witnesses.

58:54 Speaker 2: That's what we're setting up because I'm fed up. I mean,

58:57 Speaker 2: I've been carrying this ball and chain for a long time.

59:00 Speaker 2: So that's the kind of stuff that happens routinely. I

59:05 Speaker 2: deal with this every week. Every month we have a

59:07 Speaker 2: new whistle blower comes forward and these sort of dirty

59:10 Speaker 2: tricks and nasty nonsense. I've been powered. I'm a civilian.

59:14 Speaker 2: I mean all this stuff you hear me I'm talking

59:16 Speaker 2: about doing. I've done probono without charge and the interests

59:20 Speaker 2: of the public. But you know I I there are

59:25 Speaker 2: there's a there's a critical mass that's happened. I call

59:28 Speaker 2: it of very capable military and intelligence and civilian folks

59:36 Speaker 2: who know that it's time for this to come out,

59:39 Speaker 2: and now they have finally put together a way to

59:42 Speaker 2: protect these wonderful And I have to say, the names

59:46 Speaker 2: you see on that list are incredibly courageous people who've

59:49 Speaker 2: come forward. But sometimes they start to come forward and

59:52 Speaker 2: they get such a threat they back off. Let me,

59:55 Speaker 2: let me ask a couple of questions. And that frustrates

59:57 Speaker 2: me because some of the best one, some of the

59:58 Speaker 2: very best people I'd like to pay out in front

1:00:00 Speaker 2: the Congress and the public. The best ones, I would say,

1:00:04 Speaker 2: are the ones that they throw the worst dirt at.

1:00:08 Speaker 1: And the tactic is always the same, right, it's public humiliation,

1:00:13 Speaker 1: embarrassment in front of your family and kids, ruin your legacy,

1:00:18 Speaker 1: and whether you have done anything for us to blame

1:00:20 Speaker 1: you or not, we can fabricate it anyways and destroy

1:00:23 Speaker 1: your entire life.

1:00:24 Speaker 2: Right, And that's the strategy. Go in and clean out

1:00:26 Speaker 2: your bank account. Yep.

1:00:28 Speaker 1: You know what would be a great insurance business is

1:00:32 Speaker 1: to find a way to protect you that if anybody

1:00:35 Speaker 1: ever tries to do that, you'll protect it from it.

1:00:37 Speaker 1: I don't know what the method would be to do that,

1:00:39 Speaker 1: but that would definitely be a big insurance industry. If

1:00:43 Speaker 1: somebody could protect you from those types of things.

1:00:46 Speaker 2: Well, you know what I did instead. I did what

1:00:48 Speaker 2: it's called my dead man trigger. And I have files

1:00:53 Speaker 2: that no one's ever seen that something happens to me.

1:00:56 Speaker 2: And I put this in place in the late nineties

1:00:59 Speaker 2: after I was almost kid, and I said, yeah, if

1:01:01 Speaker 2: I just flat out get killed, the thing, the stuff

1:01:04 Speaker 2: that will hit blockchain and internet and sites that will

1:01:08 Speaker 2: curl your toes. I mean, the archive is mind blowing,

1:01:11 Speaker 2: but the stuff I've redacted and these private files would

1:01:15 Speaker 2: be more explosive. And I did it because, you know,

1:01:19 Speaker 2: the first three people who were killed was back in

1:01:23 Speaker 2: that era. One of them was a former CI director

1:01:26 Speaker 2: helping us. I don't know if you remember. Back in

1:01:29 Speaker 2: the Ford and Nixon and Ford era, there was a

1:01:32 Speaker 2: CI director named William Colby, Bill Colby. And Bill Colby

1:01:38 Speaker 2: was read in or briefing on this was very much involved,

1:01:42 Speaker 2: and he was maybe pushing eighty and very fed up

1:01:48 Speaker 2: and bless you, and he was he was like he

1:01:51 Speaker 2: was over it. So what he was going to do.

1:01:54 Speaker 2: He was going to hand off to us one of

1:01:57 Speaker 2: these zero point quantum energy generation devices free energy, and

1:02:05 Speaker 2: initially about fifty million dollars in seed money just to

1:02:08 Speaker 2: get that going and hand it off. But he wanted

1:02:11 Speaker 2: to do it Clint destinely, which I thought was very dangerous.

1:02:14 Speaker 2: He should have done it on CNN or news or

1:02:18 Speaker 2: the press conference, but he didn't want to do it

1:02:20 Speaker 2: that way. So there was a colonel who was on

1:02:23 Speaker 2: my team, who was his best friend, and the week

1:02:26 Speaker 2: he was going to meet with a member of my board,

1:02:28 Speaker 2: Bill Colby, the Pharmacy I director, was found floating south

1:02:32 Speaker 2: of d C. And the river made to look like

1:02:34 Speaker 2: a canoeing accent. Even his wife went on CNN said

1:02:37 Speaker 2: he would not have been out there canoeing in a

1:02:41 Speaker 2: rain swollen river at dusk and he was killed. And

1:02:46 Speaker 2: his friend, who was a colonel, said, oh, absolutely, yep.

1:02:50 Speaker 2: So that was a shot across the bow. That was

1:02:53 Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety five during the Clinton era, and what

1:02:59 Speaker 2: people don't a lot of people don't think that kind

1:03:02 Speaker 2: of thing happens, And of course the media said it

1:03:04 Speaker 2: was an accident. His son, unfortunately thinks he committed suicide.

1:03:08 Speaker 2: Which he didn't. And that's a terrible thing that I

1:03:11 Speaker 2: think your father committed suicide. He did not commit suicide.

1:03:14 Speaker 1: What's the story of what happened when Nikola Tesla when

1:03:16 Speaker 1: he got out in a cab and you know that

1:03:18 Speaker 1: whole story.

1:03:20 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know he knew too much too. You know,

1:03:24 Speaker 2: when Albert Einstein was asked by a reporter, what's it

1:03:27 Speaker 2: like being a genius? You know what he said, I

1:03:29 Speaker 2: wouldn't know as Nikla Tesla. Nikola Tesla was probably the

1:03:33 Speaker 2: great genius for the twentieth century, and he died a

1:03:36 Speaker 2: poor man, a bitter man. Most of his huge breakthroughs

1:03:39 Speaker 2: never saw the light of day. You know, he had

1:03:43 Speaker 2: one of these sort of electromagnetic generators that was free energy.

1:03:47 Speaker 2: JP Morgan famously told him, if we can't put a

1:03:50 Speaker 2: meter on it in charge, the utilities is not coming out.

1:03:53 Speaker 2: I mean we're talking twenties here, one hundred years ago.

1:03:57 Speaker 2: So you know, it didn't help that he was a

1:04:00 Speaker 2: genius and had these breakthroughs. And that's why it was.

1:04:03 Speaker 2: It's like twenty four trunks of secret papers and the

1:04:07 Speaker 2: day he died. We can prove this in this archive

1:04:11 Speaker 2: is a Department of Defense memo to the FBI demanding

1:04:15 Speaker 2: that the FBI turned those over, and I don't know

1:04:18 Speaker 2: if they ever did. I mean that happened in forty three.

1:04:21 Speaker 2: The document is not contested, it's authenticated. Document was from

1:04:26 Speaker 2: the nineteen eighties. So eventually someone at the Pentagon realized

1:04:30 Speaker 2: what the FBI was sitting on in a compartment at

1:04:33 Speaker 2: Black Project, and they wanted it. So, you know, the

1:04:37 Speaker 2: untangling the history of this, you know, of course we'd

1:04:39 Speaker 2: be here for a week. But it's all in the archive.

1:04:42 Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's laborious to go through. It'd probably

1:04:44 Speaker 2: take people two years just to partially read it and

1:04:47 Speaker 2: see it. But you know, I just want to say

1:04:51 Speaker 2: one thing that's missing the archive is that I've done.

1:04:55 Speaker 2: I think it's about twenty intelligence briefings that are being

1:04:59 Speaker 2: re and with links that aren't in the archive yet.

1:05:04 Speaker 2: That'll be the first category there. Right now they're thirteen,

1:05:07 Speaker 2: so it will be fourteen with this one, and it

1:05:10 Speaker 2: will relate to each of the categories crash retrievals, military whistleblowers, technology,

1:05:16 Speaker 2: you know, the black budget of the United.

1:05:18 Speaker 1: We'll put the linklow to go so go back to

1:05:20 Speaker 1: technicol though, So what happened that the New Yorker. He's

1:05:23 Speaker 1: getting out the hotel. You know, I'm trying to see

1:05:26 Speaker 1: how I read the story. Cap hits him and you're

1:05:30 Speaker 1: thinking maybe there was an inside job that you know,

1:05:32 Speaker 1: broke his ribs.

1:05:33 Speaker 2: Or who knows. I mean, one of the things that

1:05:38 Speaker 2: Gordon Crichton said, he was a six guy in England.

1:05:43 Speaker 2: He's his testimony is in our he's British intelligence guys.

1:05:48 Speaker 2: In our archive. He says, if you become too troublesome,

1:05:54 Speaker 2: they just erase you, they get rid of you. And

1:05:57 Speaker 2: you know I heard that term first in the ninety

1:06:00 Speaker 2: he's a racer. There is a ratio, and I think that,

1:06:06 Speaker 2: you know, like I said, my coming of age of this,

1:06:08 Speaker 2: I was fortunate that when I first started out on

1:06:10 Speaker 2: this in the early nineties, there was a naval intelligence

1:06:13 Speaker 2: guy who I thought was an infiltrator, but he was

1:06:17 Speaker 2: actually a very sincere. I didn't know what an unacknowledged

1:06:21 Speaker 2: special access project was. You know, I'm a doctor, you know,

1:06:23 Speaker 2: I'm an emergency doctor and before kids and a golden

1:06:27 Speaker 2: retriever in the suburbs, right, so I had no idea,

1:06:30 Speaker 2: but you know, he took me under his wing and

1:06:32 Speaker 2: mentored me, and I learned a lot, and it was

1:06:36 Speaker 2: a very steep learning curve. Uh. And and that was

1:06:39 Speaker 2: before I briefed the CI director. So by the time

1:06:41 Speaker 2: I break the CI director, I knew all this uh structure,

1:06:45 Speaker 2: let's call the structure of the secrecy. And I think

1:06:48 Speaker 2: that's the hardest thing for senators and congressmen to understand

1:06:51 Speaker 2: or the general public. How was this structured that a

1:06:55 Speaker 2: president will be told, we're not going to tell you, right,

1:06:59 Speaker 2: and a few president's equipped. I know that President Carter

1:07:04 Speaker 2: was was at an event in Spain. I have a

1:07:06 Speaker 2: friend who was there, and he was asked, what was

1:07:10 Speaker 2: it like being the most powerful man in the world,

1:07:13 Speaker 2: And mister Carter said, I don't think I was that person,

1:07:17 Speaker 2: and they said why. He said, there are things that

1:07:20 Speaker 2: as president I wasn't allowed to know about. And someone

1:07:24 Speaker 2: kind of giggling, joking, kind of making fun of it, Oh,

1:07:26 Speaker 2: you mean UFOs and he said, yes, that and more.

1:07:31 Speaker 2: Carter said this. Carter said that President Carter in an interview,

1:07:34 Speaker 2: no and a dinner after an event in Spain. But

1:07:38 Speaker 2: I have a man on my team who was there.

1:07:40 Speaker 2: So this is a real issue. This is a huge

1:07:43 Speaker 2: governance because you're talking unconstitutional. So let's cut to the

1:07:46 Speaker 2: chase here. These operations are illegal black projects, not legal,

1:07:50 Speaker 2: and there are legal black projects at the President and

1:07:53 Speaker 2: the Gang of Eight in Congress oversea, but these are illegal,

1:07:57 Speaker 2: meaning there's no oversight and they're being run as a

1:08:00 Speaker 2: criminal operation. And I'll just call it out. They are

1:08:04 Speaker 2: not only criminal, but they're treasonous because they absolutely will

1:08:09 Speaker 2: defy the chain of command. So here's a really good example.

1:08:14 Speaker 2: On this letter. This correspondence is in the archive. There's

1:08:18 Speaker 2: a man who had been the head of the what's

1:08:21 Speaker 2: called J two, head of intelligence for the Joint Chiefs

1:08:25 Speaker 2: of Staff J two and Admiral Wilson. And this memo

1:08:31 Speaker 2: leaked out a few years ago, not my doing. It

1:08:34 Speaker 2: was after astronaut Edgar Mitchell, the sixth man to walk

1:08:38 Speaker 2: from the Moon, after he died, someone leaked this out

1:08:42 Speaker 2: of his archive because I had brought doctor Mitchell, astronaut

1:08:46 Speaker 2: Mitchell to a briefing at the Pentagon that I was

1:08:50 Speaker 2: doing a stand up briefing for Admiral Wilson, and Admiral

1:08:53 Speaker 2: Wilson was very sincerely wanting to find out about what

1:08:57 Speaker 2: was going on with his issue. Before the meeting, I

1:09:02 Speaker 2: sent him a secret document it has not been declassified,

1:09:07 Speaker 2: which is in the archive. By the way, this is

1:09:10 Speaker 2: different from the trouble the President's in with classified material.

1:09:14 Speaker 2: We declared all these projects unconstitutional and illegal in the nineties,

1:09:18 Speaker 2: documented it, and therefore I have in this archive classified

1:09:23 Speaker 2: top secret and secret documents for the public to see,

1:09:27 Speaker 2: and they have not been declassified. I'll just put that

1:09:30 Speaker 2: on the table. So this document said, you know it

1:09:33 Speaker 2: was an NRO National Reconnaissance Office, which runs all the

1:09:37 Speaker 2: super secret spy satellites, right, and it was from Area

1:09:41 Speaker 2: fifty one LS Air Force Base in nineteen ninety one,

1:09:44 Speaker 2: and they were warning of some civilians trying to spy

1:09:47 Speaker 2: on what was going on at that secret facility from

1:09:49 Speaker 2: some mountaintops overlooking the facility. So they'd had what was

1:09:54 Speaker 2: called a security alert. But in that document which I acquired,

1:09:58 Speaker 2: I won't say how it lists did the project code

1:10:01 Speaker 2: names and numbers, And that's in the archive. Anyone on

1:10:05 Speaker 2: earth can see it now as of the nineties. So

1:10:08 Speaker 2: I sent this to Admiral Wilson along with some other

1:10:10 Speaker 2: briefing material, and he made an inquiry. And remember this

1:10:15 Speaker 2: is the head of Intelligence for the Joint Chuess of Staff,

1:10:17 Speaker 2: United States. And by the time I got to this meeting,

1:10:21 Speaker 2: he was scared to death and furious because he made

1:10:26 Speaker 2: inquiries suit channels based on the information we had provided,

1:10:31 Speaker 2: and he discovered the offices and the compartment at operations

1:10:35 Speaker 2: dealing with the UFO matter. And he was flat out told,

1:10:40 Speaker 2: you don't have a need to know. And he said,

1:10:42 Speaker 2: I'm the head of intelligence for the Joint Chess of Staff,

1:10:45 Speaker 2: how do I not have a need to know? For

1:10:46 Speaker 2: God's sake, they said, we will not discuss this with you.

1:10:49 Speaker 2: When he pushed on it further, they threatened him and

1:10:52 Speaker 2: they also threat with taking a star off his lapel,

1:10:55 Speaker 2: a demotion to retiring where he would lose a big

1:10:58 Speaker 2: pay cut in retirement. So that is a fact. Now,

1:11:02 Speaker 2: the same thing happened to the head of the Defense

1:11:04 Speaker 2: Intelligence Agency. Google it. The Defense Intelligence Agency is like

1:11:08 Speaker 2: the CIA but for the military. ATGENS, the Director General

1:11:12 Speaker 2: Patrick Hughes, I spent hours briefing at the Pentagon he

1:11:16 Speaker 2: had a similar thing happened, and he made inquiries through

1:11:19 Speaker 2: channels and was flat out told nothing. Now, there have

1:11:23 Speaker 2: been people who have been read in in those positions

1:11:26 Speaker 2: others haven't. Why do some CI directors or J two

1:11:30 Speaker 2: or whoever know and others don't. While we talked about

1:11:34 Speaker 2: a moment ago, they're tapped early, they come up through

1:11:36 Speaker 2: the system, and they're carrying water for this criminal operation.

1:11:40 Speaker 1: I had Wolsey on the podcast a few years ago. Oh,

1:11:44 Speaker 1: he denies all this. When I spoke to him, I said, so,

1:11:48 Speaker 1: you know, what was your experience like as the director

1:11:50 Speaker 1: of CIA? He says, you realized I never met Bill Clinton?

1:11:55 Speaker 1: So what do you mean I never met the president.

1:11:57 Speaker 1: We never had a meeting, never communicated with me, says

1:12:00 Speaker 1: I think at one encounter was just like when I

1:12:02 Speaker 1: got appointed, or do you want the job or not?

1:12:04 Speaker 1: And that was it. But there was no communication. And

1:12:07 Speaker 1: I think he was only the director of CIA for

1:12:08 Speaker 1: two years if I'm not mistake. Yeah, maybe even less

1:12:10 Speaker 1: than two years. About can you look up the time, Yeah,

1:12:13 Speaker 1: it's less than two years when he was a director

1:12:14 Speaker 1: of CIA. So to me, based on what you're saying,

1:12:19 Speaker 1: was he one that knew or is he one that

1:12:21 Speaker 1: doesn't know anything. He's not at the levels of knowing

1:12:25 Speaker 1: what's really taking place.

1:12:28 Speaker 2: At the time we met. He didn't know. I think

1:12:30 Speaker 2: later he as when he left the CIA, he was

1:12:36 Speaker 2: pulled into some operations where he knew which is why

1:12:39 Speaker 2: he's he says very equivocal things about the issue. The

1:12:42 Speaker 2: same thing is true of Admiral Bobby ray Enman, who

1:12:46 Speaker 2: is probably at the top of the pyramid of this

1:12:48 Speaker 2: covert group keeping the secret. You know, I'll tell you

1:12:53 Speaker 2: some most comical stories alive. He was as of last

1:12:58 Speaker 2: a few months ago, so he's at the time top

1:13:00 Speaker 2: of the permier. He's very senior. Mister Cheney, him and

1:13:03 Speaker 2: a few other people. Have you spoken to him, Have

1:13:05 Speaker 2: you had meetings with them? I had. Have you ever

1:13:08 Speaker 2: heard of Senator Barry Goldwater, of course, Well, he was

1:13:11 Speaker 2: hugely interested in what we were doing. He was Goldwater Goldwater,

1:13:14 Speaker 2: and I went out to his place in Scottsdale, and

1:13:18 Speaker 2: what year was that, in the nineties, and he was

1:13:22 Speaker 2: friends with Admiral Edmund and so the Senator Goldwater was

1:13:28 Speaker 2: always trying to find out about this, even when he

1:13:30 Speaker 2: was running for president, and he was, you know, chairman

1:13:32 Speaker 2: of various committees in the Senate, and you know, John

1:13:34 Speaker 2: McCain took his seat. So I'm sitting at his house

1:13:38 Speaker 2: and Senator A gold Order you know, started saying, well,

1:13:41 Speaker 2: you know, I'm giving him all the information I have,

1:13:43 Speaker 2: and he tells me two very interesting things. He said,

1:13:46 Speaker 2: I was never briefed on this, even as the nominee

1:13:50 Speaker 2: for president or as the key members of the Senate

1:13:53 Speaker 2: Armed Services or intil never, he says, but I knew

1:13:56 Speaker 2: it was real because he had been in the He

1:13:58 Speaker 2: was in World War Two. Then he became a general

1:14:01 Speaker 2: reserve in the Air Force Reserve. When he was a

1:14:04 Speaker 2: general in the Air Force Reserve, he asked at a

1:14:06 Speaker 2: General Curtis le May, they used to call him bomb

1:14:10 Speaker 2: them back to the Stone Age Lay because he was

1:14:12 Speaker 2: advocating using nuclear weapons in Vietnam, which is what actually

1:14:16 Speaker 2: cost Center Goldwater the election in sixty four. But this,

1:14:21 Speaker 2: of course in the nineties, many years later, and Senator

1:14:24 Speaker 2: Goldwater says, look, I asked. He had heard that at

1:14:28 Speaker 2: Wright Patterson Air Force Base there was a name, he

1:14:31 Speaker 2: called it the Blue Room there and he wanted to

1:14:37 Speaker 2: go there. And so he approached General LeMay, who I

1:14:40 Speaker 2: think at the time was Chief of Staff of the

1:14:43 Speaker 2: Air Force, and he says, I want to go there,

1:14:45 Speaker 2: And General Lea May turned to Center Goldwater and we're talking, Yeah,

1:14:53 Speaker 2: and Center Goldwater was told point blank by General the

1:14:59 Speaker 2: May that if he ever brought this issue up again,

1:15:02 Speaker 2: he would have been court martialed out of the Air

1:15:07 Speaker 2: Force reserves, and that he General LeMay could not even

1:15:11 Speaker 2: get into that area anymore. Now, so I said, here's

1:15:15 Speaker 2: a measure of the level of corruption and secrecy someone

1:15:19 Speaker 2: at that level of government, Center Goldwater, conservative, Republican, pro

1:15:24 Speaker 2: military in the war being denied access to this information.

1:15:31 Speaker 2: So you know how many data points like that do

1:15:33 Speaker 2: you need? This is why I tell people, can't I

1:15:36 Speaker 2: prove that these programs are unconstitutional? Illegal? Absolutely, we can

1:15:40 Speaker 2: prove it. And so at that point, here's what really

1:15:44 Speaker 2: ought to happen. The Criminal Investigative Division of the Pentagon

1:15:49 Speaker 2: and the FBI should launch immediate criminal investigations into this.

1:15:54 Speaker 2: There's enough information. Who needs to well, for domestic could

1:15:59 Speaker 2: be FBI f guys is not going to do that. Well,

1:16:04 Speaker 2: not to cry, I never say never. And the other

1:16:07 Speaker 2: would be the Criminal Investigative Division of the of the

1:16:11 Speaker 2: of the Pentagon, because you know, there is enough proof

1:16:15 Speaker 2: of criminal activity and unconstitutional in treasonous activity to launch

1:16:20 Speaker 2: those Now, this is what I've been saying to the

1:16:23 Speaker 2: members of Congress in the last few years since they've

1:16:25 Speaker 2: started looking into this. I said, you guys, are you

1:16:28 Speaker 2: know here rearranging the chairs on the Titanic as it

1:16:31 Speaker 2: goes down. You really need to understand and learn quickly that,

1:16:36 Speaker 2: you know, you can make a request through the chain

1:16:39 Speaker 2: of command and you're going to be told nothing like Wolsey,

1:16:43 Speaker 2: nothing like General Hughes, THEE Director, nothing like Admiral Wilson,

1:16:47 Speaker 2: and all the dozens of other people like that. And

1:16:49 Speaker 2: by the way, this pattern you can replicate in the

1:16:54 Speaker 2: United Kingdom Australia, because I have had meetings with the

1:16:59 Speaker 2: men serve defense directors for Canada, Australia and the United Kingdom.

1:17:05 Speaker 2: None of them were given access and they all have

1:17:10 Speaker 2: told me, you know, this never came. They were never

1:17:14 Speaker 2: were told. And then subsequently they would have learned that, oh,

1:17:18 Speaker 2: there are operations right under their nose that were deep black,

1:17:22 Speaker 2: illegal operations. So this pattern is a dangerous pattern in

1:17:28 Speaker 2: terms of governance, but also for world security, national security,

1:17:32 Speaker 2: and the future of the planet and humanity. There's nothing

1:17:35 Speaker 2: good that comes from that kind of corruption. And so

1:17:38 Speaker 2: at some point some people with real courage are going

1:17:42 Speaker 2: to have to step up to the plate or you know, frankly,

1:17:45 Speaker 2: we're going to hell in a handbasket very quickly on

1:17:47 Speaker 2: this planet. Excuse my language, but it's just we're not

1:17:51 Speaker 2: in a place where we can keep kicking this ball

1:17:54 Speaker 2: down the road. But that is typically what politicians want

1:17:57 Speaker 2: to do. They just want to kick the ball down

1:17:58 Speaker 2: the road. Like when Admiral said, Admiral he says, I

1:18:05 Speaker 2: just I just want to retire from this command and

1:18:10 Speaker 2: retire at my place in Montana, go fishing. This is

1:18:14 Speaker 2: too much to take on. And this was a man

1:18:17 Speaker 2: who was the head of in charge of KUNIS Continental

1:18:21 Speaker 2: United States Security. So I hear that. I've heard all

1:18:25 Speaker 2: this for so many years, you know, And this is

1:18:28 Speaker 2: why I'm very encouraged actually that this special Access Project

1:18:33 Speaker 2: has been stood up to protect whistleblowers and that there

1:18:35 Speaker 2: are people defecting at a very high level from operational

1:18:40 Speaker 2: programs that are running these you know, systems out in

1:18:45 Speaker 2: the western desert. And separate from that, there's an entire

1:18:50 Speaker 2: group of Special Forces guys that I've been meeting with

1:18:53 Speaker 2: who are asking to eventually get authorized to strike these

1:19:00 Speaker 2: facilities out of.

1:19:01 Speaker 1: These people that are the powerful people that even Barry

1:19:04 Speaker 1: Goldwater couldn't get up to and President Carter couldn't get

1:19:09 Speaker 1: up to. President Trump has asked the other day by

1:19:12 Speaker 1: Logan Paula by UFOs. His answer was very generic. This

1:19:16 Speaker 1: one man told me that there are things up there,

1:19:18 Speaker 1: but you know he wasn't really given the answer.

1:19:22 Speaker 2: Well, no, I mean because you know, as one what

1:19:24 Speaker 2: President said, I'm only the president, and that's true. I mean,

1:19:29 Speaker 2: it's like the comedy, you know, but that needs to change. Now.

1:19:36 Speaker 2: There are people I know who are very good friends

1:19:38 Speaker 2: with mister Trump. And you know, I actually meet met

1:19:41 Speaker 2: with mister Biden when he was chairman of Foreign Relations

1:19:45 Speaker 2: Committee back long time ago. But he wouldn't touch this

1:19:48 Speaker 2: with a ten foot poll. And who is the most

1:19:52 Speaker 2: powerful person in America? Oh, I don't think anybody would

1:19:56 Speaker 2: probably know their name. Yeah, they're sort of behind scenes,

1:20:01 Speaker 2: but certainly people on this committee like Admiral Wilson, now

1:20:06 Speaker 2: you know he you know, here's the lineage he was.

1:20:10 Speaker 2: He was deputy director of CIA, then he was the

1:20:13 Speaker 2: Director of the National Security Agency. Then he moved on

1:20:15 Speaker 2: to the board of wait for it, Science Applications International

1:20:19 Speaker 2: Corporate Admiral Bobby Rayanman. So if you look at that.

1:20:24 Speaker 2: Often there's a trajectory where they're brought in and brought up,

1:20:28 Speaker 2: but where they end up the revolving door out of

1:20:32 Speaker 2: government and senior military intelligence. You keep seeing this pattern

1:20:37 Speaker 2: that the center of gravity are in these big contracting

1:20:41 Speaker 2: entities like SAI C and Raytheon and Northrope and Lockheed

1:20:46 Speaker 2: and so forth. So that's where the action is. I

1:20:49 Speaker 2: think the center of gravity isn't in the government at all.

1:20:52 Speaker 1: Was mister Bush Senior ever one of these high ranking

1:20:54 Speaker 1: people that was on the inside or no?

1:20:56 Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely, George H. W. Boo, yes, W No. But

1:20:59 Speaker 2: George W. Bush, he was the one who threatened Bill Clinton.

1:21:04 Speaker 2: But stay quiet, there's none of your business. I have

1:21:07 Speaker 2: a witness to mister Clinton sharing that. George H. W.

1:21:12 Speaker 2: Bush Senior, Yes, it's this none of your business, but

1:21:15 Speaker 2: out because mister Clinton had stood up what's called Red Team.

1:21:19 Speaker 2: Red Team was a military special operation to the Blue

1:21:23 Speaker 2: Team was conventional military Black team. Were these illegal operations

1:21:28 Speaker 2: Clinton had authorized. I have a whole document on this.

1:21:31 Speaker 2: It's not in the archive, but it's definitely in my

1:21:33 Speaker 2: dead Man trigger. That was called Red Team, and these

1:21:37 Speaker 2: were people trying to infiltrate these illegal black projects, but

1:21:41 Speaker 2: most of them either got absorbed or killed, and eventually

1:21:46 Speaker 2: George H. W. Bush said, back off, this is none

1:21:50 Speaker 2: of your business. Did he? Oh? Yeah, absolutely he did.

1:21:53 Speaker 2: That's why they became fast friends and towards they remember

1:21:58 Speaker 2: did he did he?

1:21:59 Speaker 1: I do?

1:22:00 Speaker 2: Did he ever make it?

1:22:01 Speaker 1: Was Bush ever in a top five most powerful men

1:22:04 Speaker 1: in America? Or no? Was he?

1:22:06 Speaker 2: Still?

1:22:06 Speaker 1: There's people above him that he's reporting too.

1:22:09 Speaker 2: He would have been on the mid to upper level

1:22:12 Speaker 2: of that committee to three hundred people. But George H. W.

1:22:15 Speaker 2: Bush was definitely involved, I would say, ironically Chaney more so,

1:22:22 Speaker 2: mister changing.

1:22:23 Speaker 1: Cheney more so?

1:22:25 Speaker 2: Why is that? Because of who he is?

1:22:28 Speaker 1: And on the military industrial complex all the way.

1:22:31 Speaker 2: All the way back to the what was he Ford

1:22:34 Speaker 2: Defense secret? I mean all the way back to seventies eighties? Yeah? Absolutely?

1:22:40 Speaker 2: How powerful was a Kissinger? Was he anybody? Oh? Yes,

1:22:44 Speaker 2: above a Cheney? Sure? Absolutely so. He was one of

1:22:48 Speaker 2: the two hundred. Sure, yes, mister Kissinger. Yes, what's your

1:22:54 Speaker 2: opinion on him? It's unfortunate. I mean, you know, I

1:22:58 Speaker 2: think he's a very brilliant man, but you know, I

1:23:00 Speaker 2: think he moved us in a lot of corrupt directions.

1:23:03 Speaker 2: And harmful directions such as this issue. For one, because

1:23:09 Speaker 2: and I don't want to go to Mimy he's passed away.

1:23:12 Speaker 2: It's irrelevant. I speak too badly of him, but I

1:23:16 Speaker 2: think he would have been very way high in that

1:23:19 Speaker 2: pecking order, but was very interested in, I hate to

1:23:24 Speaker 2: say this, subverting American power for global power. So this

1:23:30 Speaker 2: is a pattern you see. And it's not that I'm

1:23:33 Speaker 2: against you know, international relations or all that, but there

1:23:37 Speaker 2: is a concerted effort, in my opinion, to subvert and

1:23:42 Speaker 2: make subordinate American power and interest to some of these

1:23:48 Speaker 2: global schemes and agendas. And the Kissinger was really one

1:23:55 Speaker 2: of the original architects of that. But because you you

1:24:00 Speaker 2: can't take this uap UFO secrecy issue out of context

1:24:04 Speaker 2: with all of these other concerns, you know, national security,

1:24:08 Speaker 2: world security, energy, financial, I mean, for Havn's sake, is

1:24:12 Speaker 2: the petro dollar right from Bretton Woods after World War Two.

1:24:16 Speaker 2: You know, the reserve currency of the world is the dollar.

1:24:19 Speaker 2: But it's mainly because it's the petro dollars. It is

1:24:22 Speaker 2: the currency of exchange and trading in oil and commodities

1:24:26 Speaker 2: and everything else. So this is all extremely complicated you

1:24:31 Speaker 2: release this information that we're not only are we not

1:24:34 Speaker 2: alone in the universe, but we've already figured out how

1:24:38 Speaker 2: they operate. And I will tell you right now, the

1:24:40 Speaker 2: extraterrestrial issue part of this is nowhere near sensitive a

1:24:45 Speaker 2: secret as the part that deals with the technologies that

1:24:49 Speaker 2: we have humans have in the hands of people who

1:24:52 Speaker 2: are misusing them and are withholding the beneficial ones from

1:24:58 Speaker 2: humanity and from the That is a much bigger secret

1:25:02 Speaker 2: so far.

1:25:03 Speaker 1: When I asked you, you know Barry Goldwater, you know

1:25:07 Speaker 1: he's there, but he's not has Bobby Raynman? Okay, So

1:25:10 Speaker 1: Bobby Raynman has more influence than he does. Then I

1:25:14 Speaker 1: went to President Clinton and you said, no, George H. W.

1:25:21 Speaker 1: Bush Senior has more influence than he does. He's passed away.

1:25:24 Speaker 1: He's that he's passed away. Then I asked you about Kissinger.

1:25:30 Speaker 1: Then you said Dick Cheney was more powerful than Senior.

1:25:36 Speaker 2: Okay.

1:25:37 Speaker 1: Then I asked you Kissinger. You said, no, Kissinger was

1:25:40 Speaker 1: more in that community of that influence and very gluble

1:25:44 Speaker 1: with it for sure. I mean, yeah, And he had

1:25:46 Speaker 1: a very interesting reputation, fascinating guy to study, by the way,

1:25:50 Speaker 1: some of the things he said, he said, uh, the

1:25:54 Speaker 1: the illegal we.

1:25:56 Speaker 2: Can do fast.

1:25:56 Speaker 1: The unconstitutional takes a while, said something like that.

1:26:00 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's actually an our archive that quote. Yeah, you know,

1:26:03 Speaker 2: he said, yeah, the illegal we can do immediately and

1:26:07 Speaker 2: takes a little longer.

1:26:08 Speaker 1: Interesting guy, very interesting guy, woman eyes er, playboy liked

1:26:11 Speaker 1: at one point sexiest man I think in nineteen seventy two,

1:26:14 Speaker 1: all the stuff that you read about him. Interesting guy. Okay,

1:26:18 Speaker 1: so then go up above that. Who do you know

1:26:20 Speaker 1: that you will put even above Kissinger from the last

1:26:23 Speaker 1: seventy years that we would.

1:26:24 Speaker 2: Know about the name, you know, right off the top

1:26:28 Speaker 2: of my head, I can't think of one, certainly. You know,

1:26:34 Speaker 2: some of the corporate folks that nobody would think of.

1:26:41 Speaker 2: Tillerson would would be very powerful, you know, Jack Welsh

1:26:47 Speaker 2: in general Electric Jack Welcher would put ahead of very

1:26:51 Speaker 2: high up now at a certain point, you know, it's

1:26:53 Speaker 2: not a pecking order. They collaborate, I think. But what

1:26:56 Speaker 2: I understand that committee collaborate and it sort of squabbles.

1:27:02 Speaker 2: But you know, when I was first told about it,

1:27:05 Speaker 2: you know, back in the early days, used to talk

1:27:07 Speaker 2: about there are these documents that got released called the

1:27:11 Speaker 2: Majestic twelve MJ twelve, and nobody knows that they're authentic

1:27:16 Speaker 2: or not. I think they are largely authentic. But what's

1:27:19 Speaker 2: not in dispute is this NRO document from the nineties

1:27:23 Speaker 2: and one of the compartment operations is MJI MAGI or

1:27:29 Speaker 2: or sometimes you'll see m AJICE, and it stands for

1:27:32 Speaker 2: the Majority Joint Intelligence Committee, and that is the group

1:27:37 Speaker 2: that is a joint entity on the US end of

1:27:41 Speaker 2: this that deals with this subject, and that is in

1:27:43 Speaker 2: the document. You can pull it up. It's the National

1:27:45 Speaker 2: Reconnaissance Office document Nellis Air Force Space in nineteen ninety one.

1:27:50 Speaker 1: So we pull up Majestic twelve, Rob, I just want

1:27:51 Speaker 1: to is this Majestic twelve, also known as Magic twelve,

1:27:55 Speaker 1: is a Purport organizational presenting UF conspiracy theories. The organizations

1:28:01 Speaker 1: claim to be the code name of an alleged secret

1:28:03 Speaker 1: committee of scientists, military leaders, and government officials formed in

1:28:06 Speaker 1: nineteen forty seven by an executive order by President Harry

1:28:10 Speaker 1: Truman to facilitate recovery investigation of alien spaceships spacecrafts. The

1:28:14 Speaker 1: concept originated in the series is supposedly leak secret government documents,

1:28:19 Speaker 1: first circulated by ufologists in nineteen eighty four. Upon examination,

1:28:25 Speaker 1: the Federal Beeer FBI declared the documents to be complete bogists,

1:28:28 Speaker 1: and many euthologists consider them to be elaborate hoax. Majestic

1:28:33 Speaker 1: twelve remains popular amongst some UFO conspiracy theories, and the

1:28:36 Speaker 1: concept has appeared in popular culture, including television, film, and literature.

1:28:41 Speaker 2: Here's what I think actually happen. If you want to

1:28:43 Speaker 2: hide something, you hide it in plain sight. So a

1:28:47 Speaker 2: great deal of information and those documents is true, but

1:28:50 Speaker 2: the way they came about was a hoax. So if

1:28:55 Speaker 2: you're involved with counterintelligence and information's coming out, you want

1:28:59 Speaker 2: to tot people to something that's the provenance is going

1:29:03 Speaker 2: to be a problem, and that way it takes them down.

1:29:06 Speaker 2: A National Security Agency guy described it to me this way.

1:29:10 Speaker 2: He was the right hand to General Odum back in

1:29:13 Speaker 2: the day, who is the director of the NSA, And

1:29:15 Speaker 2: he said, we call this a DDT operation. You set

1:29:19 Speaker 2: up a decoy, you distract people, and then you trash them.

1:29:23 Speaker 2: And so by releasing things that are questionable provenance, then

1:29:27 Speaker 2: it can you sort of put it out there. And

1:29:30 Speaker 2: much of the information may be correct, but because the

1:29:32 Speaker 2: provenance is bogus, it takes the information down with it.

1:29:36 Speaker 2: So one of the things that's very complicated is understanding

1:29:41 Speaker 2: how counterintelligence and disinformation works on this It's byzantine, it's complicated.

1:29:49 Speaker 2: It takes a lot to unravel it. And that's why

1:29:51 Speaker 2: I tend to be very careful with both witnesses and

1:29:54 Speaker 2: documents if I don't have a good provenance for it. So,

1:29:59 Speaker 2: I mean, that is something that's hard to do when

1:30:03 Speaker 2: you're you're trying to run an operation like we do

1:30:06 Speaker 2: without any uh, you know, real clearance. I mean we

1:30:11 Speaker 2: you have to rely on people and their credibility and

1:30:14 Speaker 2: what documentation they can prove. And I think what's most important.

1:30:17 Speaker 2: The reason I'm releasing this, this archive is that if

1:30:21 Speaker 2: you go through it carefully, you see where the dots

1:30:23 Speaker 2: all connect. But these intelligence briefings we're working on the modules,

1:30:27 Speaker 2: we call these intelligence modules. When those get put in,

1:30:30 Speaker 2: it's going to connect all these dots. And that's a

1:30:34 Speaker 2: big undertaking that we're working on right now.

1:30:36 Speaker 1: Jamie Diamond, what do you put them? Is Jamie Dimond

1:30:39 Speaker 1: a person all the way at the top or not?

1:30:41 Speaker 2: Really?

1:30:41 Speaker 1: I wouldn't. I don't know anything about him. You don't

1:30:43 Speaker 1: know anything, no information. What do you, what do you

1:30:46 Speaker 1: think about Elon Musk and would is he like a

1:30:48 Speaker 1: Nicola Tesla? Is you a good guy in your rights?

1:30:50 Speaker 1: Is he somebody that you know, do you establishment can't stand?

1:30:53 Speaker 1: Is he someone that can't control?

1:30:56 Speaker 2: Well? I think that certainly if he was in cline

1:31:00 Speaker 2: Lining to research this end of it, he wouldn't be

1:31:04 Speaker 2: making up I call it a fake Tesla. I mean

1:31:08 Speaker 2: a real Tesla car wouldn't have to be plugged in.

1:31:10 Speaker 2: It most certainly wouldn't have nine hundred and some pounds

1:31:12 Speaker 2: of lithium ion batteries. It would be an electromagnetic genre.

1:31:17 Speaker 2: You know. If you look at this archive we have

1:31:21 Speaker 2: with this whole account of this inventor named Floyd Sweet,

1:31:24 Speaker 2: he had something that size a little bit bigger than

1:31:26 Speaker 2: a cigarette pack. And then this was back in the

1:31:30 Speaker 2: eighties and we have all the documentation on this, huge

1:31:33 Speaker 2: files on it, and it was running a three hundred

1:31:36 Speaker 2: horsepower motor that could run your car. And it never

1:31:41 Speaker 2: had to be plugged in. I think the battery start

1:31:43 Speaker 2: up with some very tiny battery, you know, and once

1:31:48 Speaker 2: that circuit started, it was pulling energy out of what's

1:31:52 Speaker 2: called the quantum vacuum some people called the zero point

1:31:55 Speaker 2: energy field. But let's describe about that. As you see

1:31:58 Speaker 2: your teiclat there that mug, the amount of potential energy

1:32:04 Speaker 2: and the space in that mug is enough energy to

1:32:07 Speaker 2: boil off all the oceans of the Earth. It has

1:32:09 Speaker 2: been quantified, and that's called the zero point energy field.

1:32:14 Speaker 2: So if you understand the physics of these very high

1:32:18 Speaker 2: voltage VHV we call them very high voltage systems where

1:32:22 Speaker 2: at certain it may be millions of volts, but at

1:32:25 Speaker 2: very low power, but at certain cycles per second, certain

1:32:29 Speaker 2: frequencies you can tap into. That depends on what material

1:32:33 Speaker 2: you're using to explain to zero point energy to the

1:32:35 Speaker 2: average person. Well, so visualize just the space around you

1:32:39 Speaker 2: and everything around you if you get down to by

1:32:44 Speaker 2: classic definition, it's the energy left after even all sub

1:32:49 Speaker 2: atomic particles have been brought down to minus two hundred

1:32:53 Speaker 2: and seventy some degrees kelvin. But there's still this energy field.

1:32:58 Speaker 2: That's the baseline energy field that all of matter space time,

1:33:03 Speaker 2: some atomic particles are fluxing in and out of. And interestingly,

1:33:07 Speaker 2: the early Lockheed Man made UFOs were called flux liners

1:33:11 Speaker 2: because they were tapping into that energy field. The quantum flux.

1:33:15 Speaker 2: So that's basically it, and it's huge. I mean, I

1:33:18 Speaker 2: think Nikola Tesla called it the infinite energy field, and

1:33:23 Speaker 2: Professor Diraq and modestly called it the direct see. But

1:33:29 Speaker 2: a scientist named doctor Casimir CSI M. E. R. Back

1:33:35 Speaker 2: in the thirties spot postulated this but then proved its

1:33:38 Speaker 2: existence in the fifties another important date, and that's called

1:33:43 Speaker 2: the Casimir effect. The scientific information on that is also

1:33:47 Speaker 2: in this intelligence archive. So you know, I wasn't even

1:33:51 Speaker 2: born when Professor Casimir proved the existence. Now what's debated

1:33:57 Speaker 2: amongst scienceists currently is that you can tap into it

1:34:00 Speaker 2: from a practical point of view. But you can, and

1:34:04 Speaker 2: the proof is. You know what the proof is. Look

1:34:07 Speaker 2: at one of those UFOs moving, no jets, no rockets,

1:34:10 Speaker 2: no internal combustion engines, no nuclear no heat signature. In fact,

1:34:14 Speaker 2: when you get those things, operational temperature actually goes down.

1:34:17 Speaker 2: If you're in a hangar with two or three of

1:34:19 Speaker 2: these things hovering, like we have the pictures in our

1:34:23 Speaker 2: archive of what's called the ARB there at the Norton

1:34:26 Speaker 2: Air Force Pace in nineteen eighty eight, it actually is

1:34:29 Speaker 2: like an air conditioning. It cooled down so not only

1:34:33 Speaker 2: do you not have heat coming off of it, it

1:34:35 Speaker 2: actually pulls temperature down somewhat. And so there's so many

1:34:41 Speaker 2: applications of these sciences. I mean, think about it. You'd

1:34:44 Speaker 2: be free energy, refrigeration, cooling, server forms, farms if you're

1:34:49 Speaker 2: concerned about climate change for whatever reason. But even people

1:34:53 Speaker 2: who don't think there's climate change due to pollution, there's

1:34:56 Speaker 2: five plus million people a year die from particles from

1:35:00 Speaker 2: emissions coal and gas and oil, and not to mention

1:35:06 Speaker 2: radiation causing cancer from nuclear and all of that would

1:35:10 Speaker 2: be replaced. See, I mean, all that's gone. Now, that's

1:35:14 Speaker 2: the good news. The bad news is you're stepping on

1:35:16 Speaker 2: the toes of hundreds of trillions of dollars in assets,

1:35:20 Speaker 2: not just the market cap of these big corporations, but

1:35:22 Speaker 2: the commodities. Think of what's traded on the Chicago Board

1:35:25 Speaker 2: of Trade, you know, just in futures, in commodity training,

1:35:29 Speaker 2: it's trillions. So all of that, you know, you're not

1:35:32 Speaker 2: trading commodities anymore. Surprise you don't.

1:35:34 Speaker 1: You're not studying much of Jamie Diamond or Larry Fink

1:35:37 Speaker 1: or Blackrock or some of these guys, because who is

1:35:40 Speaker 1: funding all these programs. Where are they getting the money from?

1:35:43 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well, Goman, Sacks and Blackrock definitely have involvement

1:35:47 Speaker 2: with these operations. And you know, the more current people

1:35:53 Speaker 2: who are involved, the more it's shadowy. But when people

1:35:57 Speaker 2: get older or pass away, then they start. Let me

1:36:01 Speaker 2: give you a great example. After World War Two, at

1:36:05 Speaker 2: the end of the war, there was a man named

1:36:08 Speaker 2: Paul Mellon who was you know, the Melon Carnegie. The

1:36:11 Speaker 2: Mellon family one of the few billionaires in the world

1:36:14 Speaker 2: into World War two. His grandson has worked with me,

1:36:17 Speaker 2: who was also a Senator John Warner's son and Senator

1:36:23 Speaker 2: John Warder was like a lower level operative on this majority. Yes,

1:36:29 Speaker 2: and so Paul Mellon he went over and at the

1:36:34 Speaker 2: end of World War two with General Patten and Alan

1:36:38 Speaker 2: Dulles and they confiscated this disc.

1:36:42 Speaker 1: That was.

1:36:44 Speaker 2: An early attempt to make an electromagnetic anti gravity thing.

1:36:48 Speaker 2: It wasn't fully operational, but they brought it back to

1:36:51 Speaker 2: the United States. And how do we know this because

1:36:55 Speaker 2: towards the end of his life, Paul Mellon, who was

1:36:59 Speaker 2: very instant mental with Alan Dallas and forming the CIA

1:37:02 Speaker 2: and all that stuff. Remember, the OSS became the CIA

1:37:06 Speaker 2: osister and World War two, and when he was getting older,

1:37:10 Speaker 2: he had had a couple of Martinez and told his

1:37:12 Speaker 2: grandson John Warnered the fourth that in fact he had

1:37:15 Speaker 2: gone over there and brought this thing back, and that

1:37:19 Speaker 2: it was not when the jet rocket thrusters, it was

1:37:23 Speaker 2: electromagnetic anti gravity. And so I mean that we're talking

1:37:27 Speaker 2: all night at the end of World War two in

1:37:29 Speaker 2: Germany in nineteen forty five. So that is something. What

1:37:34 Speaker 2: you find is that as some of these folks get older,

1:37:37 Speaker 2: before they meet their maker, as it were, they start

1:37:40 Speaker 2: telling things to me or to other family members who

1:37:46 Speaker 2: didn't share it. So that's you know, a pattern that

1:37:50 Speaker 2: in terms of you know, I have debriefed. You know,

1:37:52 Speaker 2: if you look at this list, there's seven hundred and

1:37:54 Speaker 2: sixty whistleblowers and witnesses, but I've met with more, some

1:37:58 Speaker 2: of them I never quite get their name, probably over

1:38:00 Speaker 2: a thousand, but all the people on that list I've debriefed,

1:38:05 Speaker 2: I mean over thirty four years. So I carry that

1:38:07 Speaker 2: in my head. Is why I'm trying to put some

1:38:09 Speaker 2: of this down. You know, in case something happens.

1:38:11 Speaker 1: To me, which president have you had direct contact with

1:38:15 Speaker 1: you spoke to that is interested in this.

1:38:18 Speaker 2: I've never spoken directly with any of the presidents. There's

1:38:21 Speaker 2: the only people who've been on their cabinet or people

1:38:24 Speaker 2: who have been like the SAI director or people work

1:38:26 Speaker 2: with them. Now, I've never got it. I've never met

1:38:28 Speaker 2: with any of them directly. All of them been asked

1:38:30 Speaker 2: to any of the recent one.

1:38:32 Speaker 1: Who's the most recent, most powerful people you've spoken to,

1:38:34 Speaker 1: that's that's reached out to you.

1:38:38 Speaker 2: Oh, I think by far, this former chairman of this

1:38:42 Speaker 2: fortune fifty company. I mean he's sit holding all the car.

1:38:45 Speaker 1: Is he Is he respected by a lot of people?

1:38:47 Speaker 1: Is he somebody that has a reputa? Oh?

1:38:48 Speaker 2: Yes, he would be. Yeah, he very much, he would be.

1:38:51 Speaker 1: So Okay, as a president, you get to campaign.

1:38:55 Speaker 2: You're done.

1:38:56 Speaker 1: I'm going to run for president twenty twenty four. I'm

1:38:58 Speaker 1: campaigning for human rights, to fix the border. You know,

1:39:01 Speaker 1: we're going to go climate change is a number one

1:39:03 Speaker 1: issue in the economy, stupid, And then we're going to

1:39:05 Speaker 1: focus on all this stuff, right, all these things that

1:39:07 Speaker 1: they say their campaigning on. Okay, great, what's the riskiest

1:39:12 Speaker 1: thing to campaign on. Let me kind of give you

1:39:13 Speaker 1: a couple of them, and you tell me Okay, one,

1:39:18 Speaker 1: here's what my campaign is going to be. Why is

1:39:20 Speaker 1: it that only two countries in the world allow Big

1:39:23 Speaker 1: Pharma to advertise on TV, US and New Zealand. Why

1:39:27 Speaker 1: are all the other countries not allowed that to happen.

1:39:30 Speaker 1: If you help me become president, day one executive order,

1:39:33 Speaker 1: Big Pharma will not be able to advertise on TV,

1:39:36 Speaker 1: just like cigarette and tobacco companies cannot.

1:39:39 Speaker 2: Okay, there's a lot of risk with that.

1:39:41 Speaker 1: Okay, You're going after a lot of strong people.

1:39:43 Speaker 2: Right number two? Number two?

1:39:45 Speaker 1: You you you know as your president. I think one

1:39:49 Speaker 1: of the things that you, as a taxpayer, are owed

1:39:52 Speaker 1: the truth. And I think this government in the recent years,

1:39:56 Speaker 1: we used to be an open source type of a

1:39:58 Speaker 1: country when Washington and all guys ran it. Today we

1:40:01 Speaker 1: are no longer open source. If you help me become president,

1:40:04 Speaker 1: I'm going to release all the six thousand patents in

1:40:07 Speaker 1: the Invention Secrecy Act of nineteen fifty one, and I'm

1:40:11 Speaker 1: going to make sure you know all about it.

1:40:12 Speaker 2: And it's going to help a lot of you guys.

1:40:14 Speaker 1: You're gonna save money on electricity, you're gonna save money

1:40:17 Speaker 1: on oil, and cars are going to be able to

1:40:18 Speaker 1: run on this because it's going to help us with this,

1:40:20 Speaker 1: and it's going to help us with pollution, and we're

1:40:22 Speaker 1: no longer going to deal with poverty worldwide. It is

1:40:24 Speaker 1: never you help me. I'm going to make sure all

1:40:27 Speaker 1: that becomes public. Okay, you helped me become president. I'm

1:40:31 Speaker 1: going to give the truth of what happened with CI

1:40:33 Speaker 1: and I'm going to release the last fifteen percent of

1:40:35 Speaker 1: the information to know who assassinated John F.

1:40:37 Speaker 2: Kennedy.

1:40:38 Speaker 1: You helped me become president. All of these things that

1:40:41 Speaker 1: I'm going through, What is the riskiest one for your life?

1:40:44 Speaker 1: That if you say you're going to do that, ain't

1:40:46 Speaker 1: nobody going to help you and your your It's the

1:40:49 Speaker 1: riskiest position to take.

1:40:52 Speaker 2: Well, I think in terms of your own personal security,

1:40:56 Speaker 2: it probably be this issue, the UFO and UAP issue.

1:41:02 Speaker 2: Why would that be because behind it is the whole

1:41:06 Speaker 2: center of power that was running the planet, the technology.

1:41:09 Speaker 2: Because if that comes out, all of it's coming out. Look,

1:41:12 Speaker 2: anybody with a grain of sense, if and this is

1:41:15 Speaker 2: where we're getting really close, Like when the Pentagon confirmed

1:41:18 Speaker 2: that that UAP that we chased off the coast California

1:41:22 Speaker 2: was real in three dimensional and not an artifact or

1:41:26 Speaker 2: a misperception broad daylight. What they admitted to without saying

1:41:31 Speaker 2: it is that there's there's something that's there that's three

1:41:35 Speaker 2: dimensional and real, that is absolutely defined the aerodynamics and

1:41:42 Speaker 2: energy of anything known thought by the public, now not

1:41:46 Speaker 2: known to man and certainly not known to these clandestine programs.

1:41:52 Speaker 2: But so going into that, then you're you're you're also

1:41:55 Speaker 2: here's the other big risk. The only reason this could

1:41:59 Speaker 2: have been kept secret is that the big corporate media,

1:42:04 Speaker 2: left right center. All of it is corrupt. I have

1:42:09 Speaker 2: dot there's a whole section in here about it. You'll

1:42:11 Speaker 2: convince all of it is corrupt, absolutely corrupt. And the

1:42:14 Speaker 2: proof of it is, why would they given what we've

1:42:18 Speaker 2: already put on the street and had press conferences around

1:42:22 Speaker 2: and right here, one hundred and twenty two named whistleblowers,

1:42:27 Speaker 2: Why isn't that being covered by Fox, CNN, MSNBC, New

1:42:32 Speaker 2: York Times, Washington Post. So if you go in here,

1:42:35 Speaker 2: you'll see that on certain issues, the media is actually

1:42:41 Speaker 2: the most culpable for the secrecy because the fourth estate,

1:42:48 Speaker 2: which is what the media is called, and you know,

1:42:50 Speaker 2: is supposed to be a watchdog against these s excesses,

1:42:53 Speaker 2: of the government and abuses of power. And we're talking

1:42:57 Speaker 2: the biggest abuse of power in my life, in certainly

1:43:01 Speaker 2: in the last seventy to eighty years, And why wouldn't

1:43:05 Speaker 2: there be investigations on that? So let me tell you

1:43:07 Speaker 2: a little story hypocryphal, but Mike Wallace was a famous

1:43:12 Speaker 2: reporter for sixty minutes CBS. A good friend to his

1:43:16 Speaker 2: name of Bob Schwartz was on the board of Time

1:43:20 Speaker 2: Life and knew him very well. And I was at

1:43:22 Speaker 2: a meeting in New York back in the nineties and

1:43:25 Speaker 2: mister Schwartz told me about how Mike Wallace had gotten

1:43:29 Speaker 2: some government documents from a source about the UFO issue,

1:43:34 Speaker 2: and he said, this is the biggest story in history.

1:43:36 Speaker 2: This is the biggest secret in US history, and he

1:43:40 Speaker 2: was going to do a sixty minute special on it.

1:43:43 Speaker 2: At the time, Westinghouse, a defense contractor, owned CBS. And

1:43:47 Speaker 2: basically from the top Mike Wallace was told, you'll do

1:43:51 Speaker 2: no such thing, and he went into a very deep depression.

1:43:55 Speaker 2: In fact, he went on Larry Kingon admitted he becomes

1:43:57 Speaker 2: suicidal because he realized he was a fraud. He used

1:44:02 Speaker 2: that word. Now, he didn't tell this part of the story.

1:44:04 Speaker 2: His friend Bob Schwartz told me at a salon in

1:44:08 Speaker 2: New York.

1:44:08 Speaker 1: I think he told Larry Kinky thinks he's a fraud.

1:44:12 Speaker 2: Mike Wallace, did you can go find that? Say? He says, I,

1:44:14 Speaker 2: you know, why are you as well? I just thought

1:44:16 Speaker 2: I was a fraud. And so somewhere in there now

1:44:19 Speaker 2: I saw that episode and what Bob Schwartz said. Robert

1:44:23 Speaker 2: Schwartz said, Look, he was so devastated because he thought, here,

1:44:27 Speaker 2: we are the premiere investigative journalist. We take on anything.

1:44:32 Speaker 2: He had never been told he couldn't do a story.

1:44:34 Speaker 2: He was not allowed to do this story. He was

1:44:37 Speaker 2: flat out stood down, sat down hard, and said, no,

1:44:40 Speaker 2: you will not. Now I have dealt with many media people,

1:44:44 Speaker 2: very high up, and they've had the same thing happen

1:44:47 Speaker 2: to them. There was a guy named Ira Rosen who

1:44:50 Speaker 2: was the executive producer of twenty twenty in Primetime Live,

1:44:52 Speaker 2: and after the first National Press Club event that we

1:44:57 Speaker 2: did in two thousand and one May twenty three years ago,

1:45:02 Speaker 2: he approached me and he wanted to have this first

1:45:05 Speaker 2: sort of tranch of whistleblowers and witnesses come forward, and

1:45:10 Speaker 2: so he came out to my home, my farm in

1:45:12 Speaker 2: Virginia near the University of Virginia, and I gave him

1:45:16 Speaker 2: thirty five digital hours of summaries of these testimony and

1:45:20 Speaker 2: hundreds of pages of government documents. He says, if this

1:45:24 Speaker 2: is true, this is the biggest story ever in US history.

1:45:27 Speaker 2: I say, yeah, it is so, I said, but I

1:45:30 Speaker 2: don't think they're going to let you do it. He says, oh,

1:45:32 Speaker 2: I'm the executive producer of this, and that he had

1:45:34 Speaker 2: been with by the way, sixty minutes, and I think

1:45:38 Speaker 2: he's back there now. I'm not sure. Anyway, this is

1:45:40 Speaker 2: a long time ago, twenty some years ago. And I said, Ira,

1:45:44 Speaker 2: I don't think they're going to let you. A couple

1:45:46 Speaker 2: weeks later, he calls me up. He says, well, doctor Garr,

1:45:49 Speaker 2: you're right. They won't let me do this story. I said, Ira,

1:45:54 Speaker 2: who are they? And he says, doctor Gear, you know

1:45:56 Speaker 2: who they are. And so we stayed in touch for

1:45:59 Speaker 2: a few years. Now. I can tell you account after

1:46:02 Speaker 2: account after account like that. So when you get really

1:46:05 Speaker 2: close to truth, now, if you cover nonsense or something

1:46:08 Speaker 2: that's disinformation, or you know, I was attacked by an

1:46:11 Speaker 2: alien and raped and have babies floating around alpha Centauri.

1:46:15 Speaker 2: They'll cover that. I mean, the media will be happy

1:46:17 Speaker 2: to cover nonsense, but when you have hard evidence interesting,

1:46:21 Speaker 2: they're not going to cover it. And I don't care

1:46:23 Speaker 2: how high you are you think you are in that

1:46:27 Speaker 2: food chain in the media, I challenge anyone listening to

1:46:30 Speaker 2: do that. Now, look what happened to Tucker Carlson. I

1:46:33 Speaker 2: don't know if you know who Tucker Carlson. He was

1:46:35 Speaker 2: on Fox. I was on a show a month ago.

1:46:38 Speaker 2: Oh okay, yeah, I would like to be on it.

1:46:40 Speaker 2: But see, he got gas lit. He had a whole

1:46:42 Speaker 2: bunch of disinformation. People come to him and provided him

1:46:46 Speaker 2: with enormous amount of false information. And so one of

1:46:52 Speaker 2: the problems is, you know, a little knowledge is a

1:46:57 Speaker 2: very dangerous thing on this issue, and it's very very

1:47:00 Speaker 2: easy for someone with a limited amount of access and

1:47:03 Speaker 2: information to have people come in and steer them in

1:47:06 Speaker 2: the direction of the aliens are eating us for a

1:47:09 Speaker 2: launch and taking our babies. Right. That whole rubbish, But

1:47:13 Speaker 2: that is really the stock in trade. So if you

1:47:15 Speaker 2: move in that direction, doors will open. If you actually

1:47:19 Speaker 2: start putting out the truth, every door will close. Same

1:47:22 Speaker 2: thing with Hollywood. You know, I had Arnold Coopelson, who

1:47:26 Speaker 2: was a huge billion dollar producer back in the nineties.

1:47:29 Speaker 2: You'll see in the archive nineteen ninety seven I did

1:47:32 Speaker 2: a congressional briefing off site with the first Early Gathering

1:47:37 Speaker 2: or the second Early Gathering or whistleblowers. The first gathering

1:47:41 Speaker 2: was nineteen ninety five at a silamar in California. This

1:47:45 Speaker 2: was ninety seven in DC, but at the Georgetown Weston

1:47:49 Speaker 2: and so members of Congress came, and Dan Burton, who

1:47:52 Speaker 2: was Chairman of Oversight, came, and you know, this was

1:47:57 Speaker 2: all you know, there were really people really were very

1:48:00 Speaker 2: interested in hearing this. This was not public, it was

1:48:02 Speaker 2: in in the news. And what I found was one

1:48:07 Speaker 2: of the men who came he was going to tell

1:48:11 Speaker 2: the members of Congress. That next day we had a

1:48:13 Speaker 2: day first where we met about having been on an

1:48:16 Speaker 2: inter agency committee back in the seventies where they could

1:48:21 Speaker 2: hit a button basically and stage an alien attack on

1:48:25 Speaker 2: the planet, and all that, and that all that had

1:48:28 Speaker 2: been in place before he got there. And I think

1:48:30 Speaker 2: it was seventy three or four. That night, some guys

1:48:34 Speaker 2: that he had worked with came to the hotel took

1:48:37 Speaker 2: him from his hotel room to a secure site out

1:48:40 Speaker 2: in Virginia until those briefings from members of Congress was over. Now,

1:48:45 Speaker 2: some of the raw footage of that meeting is in

1:48:48 Speaker 2: this archive now, I mean it was old high eight

1:48:52 Speaker 2: or VHS tape, but it's not cinematic, it's not a production.

1:48:56 Speaker 2: But it's interesting, very interesting. Ever since you released this,

1:49:00 Speaker 2: is anybody weird reached out to you. Well, people weird

1:49:03 Speaker 2: reach out to me all the time. But I'm talking threats.

1:49:06 Speaker 2: I'm talking we're going to release this thing you did

1:49:08 Speaker 2: twenty two years ago. Oh sure, happened all the time.

1:49:12 Speaker 2: You know, I just ignore it and I have what's

1:49:14 Speaker 2: good with the folks who are around me now, they

1:49:18 Speaker 2: monitor what's going on around me. One of your friends

1:49:20 Speaker 2: before we came in here asked me this, and I said,

1:49:22 Speaker 2: nothing like that's going to happen and not be known.

1:49:24 Speaker 2: And so now that there's a SAP stood up to

1:49:28 Speaker 2: literally arrest and create a criminal case against someone who

1:49:33 Speaker 2: pulls as kind of illegal operating, you know you can't threaten.

1:49:36 Speaker 2: I mean, if you threaten someone that is in a

1:49:38 Speaker 2: self crime, right, yeah, But I mean they do it

1:49:41 Speaker 2: all the time, but they do it all the time

1:49:42 Speaker 2: Tuesday for them, Yeah, but now this will be trapped.

1:49:45 Speaker 2: Oh with this thing that you have that's just June twentieth.

1:49:49 Speaker 1: You know, I'm really curious to know what the level

1:49:51 Speaker 1: of credibility and protection will be.

1:49:55 Speaker 2: Well, we'll see, I mean, yeah, exactly. I trust the

1:49:58 Speaker 2: director of the team that's lays on this three letter organization,

1:50:04 Speaker 2: the group. Yeah, and we've spent a lot of time.

1:50:07 Speaker 2: Are the three letter or no? Whatever? I mean, there

1:50:11 Speaker 2: are only so many three letter agencies that are not

1:50:13 Speaker 2: going to so we know that it has domestic authority.

1:50:16 Speaker 2: So are they Are they powerful? Are they powerful enough

1:50:20 Speaker 2: where they carry you know, weight? Well, here's the Achilles

1:50:25 Speaker 2: Hill with that. It's a SAP, a special Access project,

1:50:29 Speaker 2: and by definition is top secret. It's compartmented, so it's

1:50:34 Speaker 2: operating under the authority of this immediate supervisor. But it

1:50:38 Speaker 2: wouldn't go up to the director of that agency.

1:50:40 Speaker 1: Who do they report to? Independent because it's a SAP.

1:50:45 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, it's closed, so they they hold their

1:50:50 Speaker 2: own clearance and but they've been authorized, their group has

1:50:53 Speaker 2: been authorized to take these people, put protection and monitor.

1:50:57 Speaker 1: Ask is it kind of like an independent PMC, except

1:51:01 Speaker 1: that's an independent CIA version of what a PMC is no.

1:51:06 Speaker 2: I mean, it can't be independent totally. But the way

1:51:09 Speaker 2: compartmented operations are it's on a need to know basis so.

1:51:13 Speaker 1: But they have access to governmental information or no oh yeah,

1:51:16 Speaker 1: and also monitoring who gives them permission to do them?

1:51:20 Speaker 1: Who are the people who've authorized and for him the SAP?

1:51:24 Speaker 1: And you know where it goes beyond that, I don't know,

1:51:26 Speaker 1: because these remember the idea that let's say you're the

1:51:30 Speaker 1: director of the CIA, you're not signing off on all

1:51:36 Speaker 1: the thousands of compartmented SAPs and operations. In fact, they've

1:51:42 Speaker 1: told me, Wolsey told me it barely knows what's going

1:51:45 Speaker 1: on here. I know. Wolsey said, you know nothing. It's

1:51:47 Speaker 1: like they kept things away from him. That's what he

1:51:48 Speaker 1: told me.

1:51:49 Speaker 2: That's what the That's what they all say because it said,

1:51:52 Speaker 2: you know, call me, you know, call me, or they're

1:51:55 Speaker 2: not lying about that. Because this thing is so huge.

1:51:59 Speaker 2: Here's one of the problems at Eisenhower warned about that

1:52:01 Speaker 2: he's right, is that this is like a multi headed

1:52:05 Speaker 2: monster that's gotten created, and it's so big and it's

1:52:08 Speaker 2: so out of control. And if you think members of

1:52:10 Speaker 2: Congress are overseeing these things or the president, not just

1:52:15 Speaker 2: this any president, I'm very non part doesn't have to

1:52:18 Speaker 2: be or the National Security Council, You're mistaken. And they're

1:52:22 Speaker 2: dealing with so many conventional issues that this issue because

1:52:25 Speaker 2: they don't know about it. Day's like, wow, well it's

1:52:27 Speaker 2: the X files. It's a joke, it's nonsense. Now there

1:52:32 Speaker 2: are good people in Congress now, I would say Mark

1:52:35 Speaker 2: Warner and Rubio and jillib Brand and the co Chair

1:52:39 Speaker 2: of Armed Services and Burchett, Luna Moscowitz, who's here. I

1:52:44 Speaker 2: mean Moscowitz is very interested. I've spoken with him. He's

1:52:47 Speaker 2: your representative Fort Lauderdale, part of this area, and you

1:52:52 Speaker 2: know they're sincerely wanting to get to the bottom. The

1:52:54 Speaker 2: problem is they have no dedicated staff or funding. And

1:52:59 Speaker 2: one of the bad news things that I want to

1:53:02 Speaker 2: report today is a few weeks ago I met with

1:53:05 Speaker 2: members of House Oversight and they were aiming to get

1:53:08 Speaker 2: subpoena power and a select committee that was funded. Because

1:53:12 Speaker 2: you need a staff of a couple dozen people just

1:53:15 Speaker 2: unpacked ten percent of this archive I have and really

1:53:19 Speaker 2: then start an investigation properly. They don't have that. So

1:53:22 Speaker 2: when I meet with their staffers, you know, like one

1:53:26 Speaker 2: of them who is the most senior guy for Senate intelligence.

1:53:29 Speaker 2: He says, I've been told I can spend ten percent

1:53:32 Speaker 2: of my time on this. He ended up spending fifty percent.

1:53:36 Speaker 2: There was a huge burden, and he's the one who said, look,

1:53:40 Speaker 2: can you give me what you have? I said yes.

1:53:43 Speaker 2: And the genesis of the archive, by the way, ironically,

1:53:47 Speaker 2: was that they were supposed to put funding in place,

1:53:50 Speaker 2: so there'd be a couple dozen people going through my

1:53:56 Speaker 2: files and archives and information, digitizing them which they were

1:54:00 Speaker 2: all in paper and foul cabinets, and then going through

1:54:05 Speaker 2: intelligence analysis and unpack it. That never got funded. So

1:54:11 Speaker 2: over the last couple of years, I've spent about half

1:54:13 Speaker 2: a million dollars personally to get that done with some

1:54:19 Speaker 2: help and some donors, with a skeleton crew of you know,

1:54:22 Speaker 2: a couple of people and some volunteers. So that's why

1:54:25 Speaker 2: the archive is still not fully organized yet. I'll admit

1:54:28 Speaker 2: it needs a lot of work, but I wanted to

1:54:30 Speaker 2: get it out there for.

1:54:31 Speaker 1: The public as sort of a let let me let

1:54:34 Speaker 1: me ask this question on the nuclear side, right, you know,

1:54:36 Speaker 1: you hear stories about you know a lot of times

1:54:39 Speaker 1: when the aliens show up, is when we're in war

1:54:42 Speaker 1: or nuclear you know, absolute fears and all this stuff.

1:54:45 Speaker 1: And then you hear about the time where Eisenhower is

1:54:47 Speaker 1: on vacation and he steps away for a few days

1:54:50 Speaker 1: apparently allegedly he met with aliens because aliens said, you

1:54:53 Speaker 1: give us the nuclear stuff, we're going to give you

1:54:55 Speaker 1: some powerful technology. The world was so worried about it

1:54:59 Speaker 1: that even associated US reported that Eisenhower's dead. He died

1:55:02 Speaker 1: from you know, cancer, a heart attack. They just made

1:55:04 Speaker 1: up some kind of a story and he was alive

1:55:06 Speaker 1: all alone. Now, you know, some say that's a myth,

1:55:09 Speaker 1: some say that's true.

1:55:10 Speaker 2: No, I have a document from the Ministry of the

1:55:12 Speaker 2: Fact I want to hear it's so well, that's in

1:55:14 Speaker 2: here too. And there was a man who reported out

1:55:17 Speaker 2: about that meeting, and it was at Muroc in u

1:55:20 Speaker 2: RFC is where it's sort of near where Edwards Air

1:55:23 Speaker 2: Force Base is now. It didn't exist at the time

1:55:25 Speaker 2: in nineteen fifty six or seven when it happened, but yeah,

1:55:29 Speaker 2: that did happen. And you're spot on and bringing up

1:55:33 Speaker 2: this point that when we started detonating atomic and then

1:55:38 Speaker 2: thermonuclear weapons, what people everyone knows what an electromagnetic pulse

1:55:44 Speaker 2: says what they don't know is that embedded in that

1:55:48 Speaker 2: is what's called a scaler pulse. And Nikola Tesla was

1:55:52 Speaker 2: one of the original researchers of scaler electromagnetic And to

1:55:58 Speaker 2: make it simple, the light we're seeing or electromagnetic is

1:56:01 Speaker 2: a wave like this, like a sin wave, and it

1:56:03 Speaker 2: propagates at one hundred and eighty six thousand miles per second. Scaler,

1:56:08 Speaker 2: it's also called longitudinal, is a point and a line

1:56:11 Speaker 2: that goes out boom at multiples of the speed of light.

1:56:16 Speaker 2: But when it's done in an uncontrolled way, it rips

1:56:21 Speaker 2: the fabric of inter or transdimensional space time, which disrupts

1:56:26 Speaker 2: extraterrestrial communications and transport systems. So when we detonated the

1:56:31 Speaker 2: first atomic bomb boom, all of a sudden, there are

1:56:36 Speaker 2: et vehicles investigating everything we were doing on this planet.

1:56:41 Speaker 2: Because it wasn't just that we were on a path

1:56:43 Speaker 2: where we could kill ourselves. We were disrupting other operations

1:56:48 Speaker 2: that are extraterrestrial. And very few people understand this. Now

1:56:52 Speaker 2: there is an FBI document in the archive I understand.

1:56:55 Speaker 2: Once we released that, it became the most viewed document

1:56:58 Speaker 2: on the FBI website which one, And it was a

1:57:01 Speaker 2: memo from Guy Hotel h o Ttel to jag Or

1:57:06 Speaker 2: Hoover from nineteen forty seven from Roswell where you know

1:57:10 Speaker 2: we had those. It turned out three ET vehicles that

1:57:13 Speaker 2: went down. One wasn't found till fifty nineteen fifty or

1:57:17 Speaker 2: fifty one. And it's a memo where he said that apparently, yes,

1:57:25 Speaker 2: apparently the we've retyped it because it's so old and

1:57:30 Speaker 2: hard to read. In the forties that when they had

1:57:33 Speaker 2: a new quote radar system that when they switched it on,

1:57:37 Speaker 2: messed up the guidance systems of these ET vehicles, these

1:57:40 Speaker 2: discs that crashed. Well, remember radar is a euphemism for

1:57:46 Speaker 2: both a what you think of radar where you kind

1:57:49 Speaker 2: of paint the fuselage and it's you know, the beams

1:57:53 Speaker 2: that go out and bounce off an aircraft metallic come

1:57:55 Speaker 2: back and you track it. But they're also radar is

1:58:00 Speaker 2: used to track but then embedded and it can be

1:58:03 Speaker 2: an active system. And so what they had done they

1:58:05 Speaker 2: had put a classified By forty seven, they knew these

1:58:08 Speaker 2: ET craft were all around our nuclear facilities. Roswell was

1:58:12 Speaker 2: the only nuclear bomb squadron in the world or atomic

1:58:15 Speaker 2: bomb Squadron. Technically it wasn't nuclear yet and with Thermo

1:58:19 Speaker 2: nuclear it was atomic like Hiroshima and Nakasaki. But that

1:58:24 Speaker 2: was the only place on the Earth was the Roswell

1:58:25 Speaker 2: Army Air Base, and so they were trying to track

1:58:30 Speaker 2: and knock these things down. So that new radar that's

1:58:33 Speaker 2: mentioned here hit and it calls it they embedded the

1:58:37 Speaker 2: scaler signal, and it really these are all electromagnetic craft

1:58:42 Speaker 2: their guidance systems or propulsion, so it's not like you're

1:58:45 Speaker 2: hitting them with a missile or a laser. It's these

1:58:49 Speaker 2: weird directional energy weapons that are a crossover into this

1:58:53 Speaker 2: scalar area. And to this day. You know, when I

1:58:56 Speaker 2: went over the Black Site in September, about a month

1:58:58 Speaker 2: before I got injured, there was these massive electromagnetic pulst generators,

1:59:06 Speaker 2: but they also have embedded in them so you can

1:59:09 Speaker 2: target an object with that hit it. But he also

1:59:11 Speaker 2: had the scaler and that can cause these et craft

1:59:15 Speaker 2: to get stunned or lose controlling crash. So some of

1:59:19 Speaker 2: the people I'm working with currently have been on those

1:59:21 Speaker 2: retrieval teams that are actively still doing that. In fact,

1:59:24 Speaker 2: one of the sites I went over. I'll show you

1:59:27 Speaker 2: this video that one or two et craft per year

1:59:30 Speaker 2: are knock down there and it's very worrisome. The worse

1:59:36 Speaker 2: is that if a civilian aircraft goes in over that

1:59:39 Speaker 2: temporary flight restriction area, they knock it down.

1:59:43 Speaker 1: Let me ask you this when we're talking murder, Yeah, no,

1:59:47 Speaker 1: I mean listen, this is this is this is weird stuff.

1:59:50 Speaker 2: And that's still going on right That is still happening

1:59:52 Speaker 2: today right now as we speak.

1:59:54 Speaker 1: The level of technology, okay, some of the stuff that

1:59:56 Speaker 1: we got zero point of juteleporting, like the concept of

1:59:59 Speaker 1: tele is that something that's out of the ordinary. Is

2:00:03 Speaker 1: that currently do we have access to it? How long

2:00:05 Speaker 1: cap we had it? Who invented it? Is it being used?

2:00:08 Speaker 1: What's the worry with that? Why are you not releasing it?

2:00:11 Speaker 1: If they have actions, there's a lot of questions with it, obviously.

2:00:13 Speaker 2: Well all of it. I mean, they don't release it,

2:00:15 Speaker 2: there won't any one to know about it. But if

2:00:17 Speaker 2: you look at the testimony of one of our witnesses,

2:00:20 Speaker 2: Fred Threadfeld nineteen fifty three, he was at a Canadian

2:00:23 Speaker 2: Air Force base and they were experimenting with that so

2:00:28 Speaker 2: called teleportation and he said, it's so funny. They were

2:00:31 Speaker 2: using everyone smoke back then, these big ashtrays and it

2:00:34 Speaker 2: would be, you know, an electromagnetic system here and the

2:00:38 Speaker 2: other inner base another one, and this ashtray would go boom. Teleport.

2:00:44 Speaker 2: Now you know Einstein when he said the same particle

2:00:47 Speaker 2: could be in two places at once, he called it

2:00:49 Speaker 2: the spooky effect. But really what it is is what's

2:00:52 Speaker 2: called quantum entanglement, where every point in space and time

2:00:56 Speaker 2: is connected to the other. And if you look up

2:00:59 Speaker 2: quantum and haanglement, that's what this is. But imagine doing

2:01:02 Speaker 2: that not just for the particle, but the whole object

2:01:05 Speaker 2: or spacecraft. So those experiments were going on also thirties, forties, fifties,

2:01:12 Speaker 2: but when they began to unpack and really have some

2:01:15 Speaker 2: of the most brilliant minds I mean, I will tell

2:01:17 Speaker 2: you the smartest people I've ever met with, certainly IQ's

2:01:22 Speaker 2: north of mind, have been working on these projects in underground.

2:01:28 Speaker 1: So you couldn't mins teleportation is a real thing.

2:01:31 Speaker 2: Oh, it certainly can be done.

2:01:32 Speaker 1: When you're reading it, it says teleportation as the theoretical

2:01:36 Speaker 1: transfer of matter or energy from one point to another

2:01:38 Speaker 1: without traversing the physical space between them. It is a

2:01:41 Speaker 1: common subject in science fiction, fantasy, literature, film, video games,

2:01:45 Speaker 1: in television. In some situations, teleporting is presented as time

2:01:50 Speaker 1: traveling across space, to use of matter transmitters and science

2:01:53 Speaker 1: fiction originator at least as early as nineteenth century. An

2:01:55 Speaker 1: example an early example of scientific teleportation is found in

2:02:01 Speaker 1: an eighteen ninety seven novel To Venus in five Seconds

2:02:04 Speaker 1: by Fred Jane. Chain's protagonist is transported from a strange

2:02:08 Speaker 1: machinery containing gazebo on Earth to planet of Venus. A

2:02:12 Speaker 1: common fictional device for teleportation is a warm hole. In

2:02:16 Speaker 1: video games, the instant teleportation of a player character may

2:02:19 Speaker 1: be referred to as a warp.

2:02:22 Speaker 2: So if that exists, well it does. I mean, how

2:02:25 Speaker 2: are you going to go from one star system to another?

2:02:29 Speaker 2: Just just bear me with me a minute. If you're

2:02:32 Speaker 2: in a one percent of the way through our galaxy,

2:02:35 Speaker 2: the way is a thousand light years, which at the

2:02:38 Speaker 2: speed of light, which you can't go because as you

2:02:41 Speaker 2: accelerate the speed of light you become infinitely massive. So

2:02:46 Speaker 2: we'd be a thousand years one way, a thousand years another.

2:02:49 Speaker 2: So in order to traverse interstellar space, and this was

2:02:52 Speaker 2: concluded early on by the fact they were here and

2:02:56 Speaker 2: we down some of them. You have to do basically

2:02:59 Speaker 2: your ending space time. So visualize this like a piece

2:03:03 Speaker 2: of paper. I don't have one, but you know you

2:03:07 Speaker 2: have a star system here and we're here. Instead of

2:03:10 Speaker 2: going in a straight line, even at enormous velocities like

2:03:14 Speaker 2: or space shuttle or whatever, you through these very high

2:03:18 Speaker 2: voltage electromagnetic systems that also create gravitational waves, you can

2:03:24 Speaker 2: bend space time. So the piece of paper does this,

2:03:28 Speaker 2: so the two points come right here, so you're actually

2:03:31 Speaker 2: that's where you get into this whole non locality and

2:03:34 Speaker 2: physics and quantum entanglement in an applied setting. So the

2:03:39 Speaker 2: fact that you know it's relegated to science fiction is fine.

2:03:42 Speaker 2: It doesn't mean that it isn't being done, because it

2:03:45 Speaker 2: has to be. You're not going to be able to

2:03:46 Speaker 2: travel through interstellar distances in any way during any species

2:03:52 Speaker 2: life span without obliterating, as it were, linear space time.

2:03:58 Speaker 2: And it doesn't mean you're not traversing, but you're moving

2:04:02 Speaker 2: trans dimensionally. So let's look at it from the point

2:04:04 Speaker 2: of view of it's like a quantum hologram, you know,

2:04:09 Speaker 2: a hologram where like if you had a hologram of

2:04:12 Speaker 2: Marilyn Monroe with her skirt, if you zoomed in on

2:04:15 Speaker 2: one little part of it, it would have the entirety

2:04:18 Speaker 2: of her image in it, and then zoom in again

2:04:20 Speaker 2: and zoom. So when you're talking about a quantum sort

2:04:23 Speaker 2: of holographic view of the universe, which is a correct one,

2:04:28 Speaker 2: then you're not traveling in a straight line, and you're using, however,

2:04:32 Speaker 2: a whole new area of physics. And this is not

2:04:34 Speaker 2: going to be in your physics textbook or an MIT.

2:04:37 Speaker 2: It's in these classified areas. And that's why I tell people,

2:04:41 Speaker 2: I'd say, some of the very smartest physicists and electromagnetic

2:04:45 Speaker 2: engineers I've ever met work in these projects, and they're

2:04:49 Speaker 2: in usually most of the time they're in a deep

2:04:53 Speaker 2: underground military I want to read this.

2:04:54 Speaker 1: In nineteen ninety three, Bennett proposed that a quantum state

2:04:58 Speaker 1: of particle could be trans transferred to another distant particle

2:05:05 Speaker 1: without moving two particles at all. This is called quantum

2:05:09 Speaker 1: state teleportation. There are many following theoretical and experimental papers published.

2:05:14 Speaker 1: Researchers believe that quantum teleportation is the foundation of quantum

2:05:18 Speaker 1: calculation and quantum communication. In two thousand and eight, m

2:05:21 Speaker 1: Hoda proposed that it may be possible to teleport energy

2:05:25 Speaker 1: by exploiting quantum energy fluctuations of an entangled you set

2:05:31 Speaker 1: entangled vacuum state of a quantum field. In twenty twenty three,

2:05:35 Speaker 1: zero temperature quantum energy transportation was observed and recorded by

2:05:40 Speaker 1: Kazuki Akida for the first time across microscopic distances using

2:05:47 Speaker 1: IBM superconducting computers that are used by quantum computing. What so,

2:05:53 Speaker 1: it's already been done as being tested, well, it has.

2:05:56 Speaker 2: Been on this small level. I'm just saying that when

2:05:59 Speaker 2: you cross in these let's call them these forbidden sciences

2:06:02 Speaker 2: right that are are been highly classified, I mean, you know,

2:06:06 Speaker 2: and they were standing on the shoulders of great people. Uh.

2:06:10 Speaker 2: Nikola Tesla discovered many of these this phenomenon the or others.

2:06:14 Speaker 2: I mentioned the b Phil Brown effect with electrogravitic So

2:06:18 Speaker 2: what's called electromagnetic gravitic where certain voltages cause objects to

2:06:22 Speaker 2: float and shrink, change their structure. And I think it

2:06:27 Speaker 2: has more to do with the magnetic spin. I'm not

2:06:31 Speaker 2: a physicist, but from what I've studied and learned from

2:06:33 Speaker 2: people worked on it, that that is what it's really doing,

2:06:36 Speaker 2: and it causes a magnetic field flux that alters the mass,

2:06:42 Speaker 2: the actual not weight, but mass of an object, and

2:06:45 Speaker 2: then it can float and go up, you know, put

2:06:48 Speaker 2: against gravity. And that's how also how you control. If

2:06:51 Speaker 2: you look at how these objects move, often they've been

2:06:54 Speaker 2: like we had one case when I was in France,

2:06:57 Speaker 2: uh and we were doing a what we call CE

2:07:01 Speaker 2: five contact, which is when we when we attempt to

2:07:06 Speaker 2: make contact with these objects and these civilizations, and the

2:07:12 Speaker 2: object was moving over us at a two hundred thousand

2:07:18 Speaker 2: kilometers per hour. It was tracked by the French Ministry

2:07:21 Speaker 2: of Defense and an admiral was there. We were doing

2:07:24 Speaker 2: a demonstration for them, and it could make a right

2:07:29 Speaker 2: hand turn or stop. Now, if you were in a

2:07:31 Speaker 2: normal vehicle, if you were a pilot in a normal object,

2:07:36 Speaker 2: your brains would come out of your nose. The G

2:07:38 Speaker 2: forces would kill you immediately. So we know that they're

2:07:41 Speaker 2: able to do that and also control for one G

2:07:45 Speaker 2: in other words, so you're really in an electromagnetic space

2:07:48 Speaker 2: time bubble when you're moving like that. And that technology,

2:07:52 Speaker 2: as I mentioned, began to be experimented with in the

2:07:55 Speaker 2: twenties and thirties. But by the time the forties came

2:07:58 Speaker 2: along and they started in earnest studying the extraterrestrial vehicles,

2:08:03 Speaker 2: it took a while. And also it's not just energy

2:08:06 Speaker 2: and propulsion, it's specialized materials. I have the CEO of

2:08:11 Speaker 2: a corporation that took was working on the skin of

2:08:16 Speaker 2: one of these part of the craft, and it was

2:08:19 Speaker 2: such an unusual crystalline metallic material and they spent many

2:08:25 Speaker 2: years and figured out how to fabricate it. So some

2:08:29 Speaker 2: of the really specialized materials we have that we use

2:08:32 Speaker 2: have been sort of two or three steps removed, spun

2:08:37 Speaker 2: off from reverse engineering studying extraterrestrial not just energy and propulsion,

2:08:42 Speaker 2: but material science. So the material science is really interesting.

2:08:47 Speaker 2: And then the final one, that's the big one, is

2:08:49 Speaker 2: communication because the communication is well the Elon Musk would

2:08:54 Speaker 2: love this with neuralink, but it's non local. So their

2:08:59 Speaker 2: communications systems involve the ability to interface with very well

2:09:08 Speaker 2: designed electromagnetic systems that interface with the consciousness field and thought.

2:09:14 Speaker 2: So in other words, you want to do something to

2:09:16 Speaker 2: your computer, you just think to it without a wire,

2:09:20 Speaker 2: without an implant, like let's see that, but think of it.

2:09:23 Speaker 2: I mean a thought. What is thought? You know, we

2:09:27 Speaker 2: have these thoughts and it's like, hey, what dreams may come?

2:09:30 Speaker 2: But you know, you many people have had of these

2:09:34 Speaker 2: sort of experiences where they've had an out of body

2:09:36 Speaker 2: or near death. In my case, I met my wife

2:09:40 Speaker 2: in a series of lucid dreams. I think it's because

2:09:43 Speaker 2: I'm part Cherokee. Shame here, yep, I met her that way.

2:09:46 Speaker 2: I met her to at eighteen years old. Yeah. Well

2:09:48 Speaker 2: we're going to have our forty fifth anniversary in couple months.

2:09:51 Speaker 2: So what's interesting is that think about as civilization so

2:09:55 Speaker 2: advanced that that aspect of thought and consciousness without wiring,

2:10:01 Speaker 2: without something at the speed of electromagnetic can interface with

2:10:04 Speaker 2: a device. So in nineteen ninety one I wrote a

2:10:08 Speaker 2: paper and it was about this, and it was called

2:10:11 Speaker 2: consciousness assisted technologies. But it goes the other way, where

2:10:15 Speaker 2: a technology can assist your own consciousness. So you hear

2:10:18 Speaker 2: about the CIA remote viewing programs like Ingo Swan, who

2:10:22 Speaker 2: was a friend of mine, I knew where they were

2:10:24 Speaker 2: able to use consciousness to spy on the Soviet Union

2:10:27 Speaker 2: or what have you. It's so called psychic abilities. I mean,

2:10:31 Speaker 2: it's sort of a loaded term because it's so usually wacky,

2:10:34 Speaker 2: but that is real. And imagine a civilization so advanced

2:10:39 Speaker 2: that that innate ability is augmented, assisted with technological systems,

2:10:44 Speaker 2: and the reverse that there technological systems can interface directly.

2:10:51 Speaker 2: So when you hear many accounts of these ets, you'll

2:10:54 Speaker 2: see that they'll touch a console and think to it,

2:10:57 Speaker 2: and the craft moves and goes. So this is not

2:11:02 Speaker 2: I'm Alexander Graham Bell using the speed of light electromagnet I.

2:11:05 Speaker 1: Think sometimes you know, you're like you're thinking about somebody

2:11:08 Speaker 1: in a boom. Three seconds later you get that phone call. Sure,

2:11:11 Speaker 1: and that's happened. I don't know how many times? Sure,

2:11:14 Speaker 1: where it happens? How did this happen?

2:11:16 Speaker 2: Right?

2:11:17 Speaker 1: What gave you the signal that that was coming? What

2:11:20 Speaker 1: gave you a signal that that was taking place? You know,

2:11:23 Speaker 1: I couldn't pinpoint on what that is?

2:11:25 Speaker 2: Oh I do? But what is that? What it is? Yeah? Okay,

2:11:28 Speaker 2: this is why this is beautiful. This gets back into

2:11:30 Speaker 2: conscious quantum entanglement. So the ultimate non local entangled field

2:11:37 Speaker 2: is the conscious mind itself. You know Ern Schrodinger, who

2:11:40 Speaker 2: is one of the fathers of quantum mechanics and particle

2:11:43 Speaker 2: wave theory nineteen oh eight. He said, the total number

2:11:47 Speaker 2: of minds in the universe is one, and that is

2:11:50 Speaker 2: a singularity. So the real singularity they're looking for is

2:11:54 Speaker 2: actually the consciousness field. So you know, you and I

2:11:57 Speaker 2: are speaking right now, and you have your individual self

2:12:01 Speaker 2: and ego and personality and I have mine, but we're

2:12:05 Speaker 2: both awake, and that awake field is a singularity, but

2:12:09 Speaker 2: we end up closing it off. So if you open it,

2:12:11 Speaker 2: this is what meditation does. Meditation enables you to connect

2:12:16 Speaker 2: to that deep or transcendent aspect of consciousness that's actually

2:12:21 Speaker 2: omnipresence everywhere. It's not limited by space and time, which

2:12:24 Speaker 2: is why people can have experiences of a lucid dream

2:12:27 Speaker 2: and see something in the future or an intuition. And

2:12:31 Speaker 2: I as a medical doctor, I mean I'm not practicing now,

2:12:34 Speaker 2: and the nurses knew. I used to be able to

2:12:36 Speaker 2: do this. I would sense if someone had an occult

2:12:40 Speaker 2: or hidden cancer and I would just inematically order a

2:12:44 Speaker 2: cat scan when it didn't seem to be indicated. It

2:12:46 Speaker 2: would be in there because I could sense it see it.

2:12:50 Speaker 2: So that's something we ought to teach all doctors, by

2:12:53 Speaker 2: the way, but someday we will, but this is an

2:12:57 Speaker 2: area that gets into really controversy. Sal part of the

2:13:00 Speaker 2: work we do and that is going beyond, is just

2:13:04 Speaker 2: sort of the material entanglement to you know, how are

2:13:08 Speaker 2: these civilizations communicating? Well, it can't be like our cell phone.

2:13:13 Speaker 2: It's speed a light and it's got to be something

2:13:16 Speaker 2: that is instantaneous. What turns out through the consciousness field

2:13:20 Speaker 2: and thought you actually can connect bang instantly across a

2:13:25 Speaker 2: million light years of space, which is really amazing think

2:13:28 Speaker 2: about it. It's a way.

2:13:33 Speaker 1: Mind thoughts. Teleport, I don't know if you want to

2:13:37 Speaker 1: use that word. Could physical things teleport?

2:13:41 Speaker 2: Could you?

2:13:42 Speaker 1: You know? You know, at one point one would say,

2:13:45 Speaker 1: how am I going to be able to email you

2:13:46 Speaker 1: to go from here to Australia within half a second?

2:13:49 Speaker 2: How does that happen? Right? What causes that to happen? Right?

2:13:54 Speaker 1: You know, some of the stuff is way too advanced

2:13:57 Speaker 1: fort the average person to be thinking about. This is

2:13:59 Speaker 1: why you know, specific topics like this Swabinist conversation with you.

2:14:02 Speaker 1: But let me go to the next topic here.

2:14:04 Speaker 2: So esg right.

2:14:06 Speaker 1: Environmental social governance so important that even this net zero

2:14:13 Speaker 1: you know, asset managers Initiative. I don't know if you're

2:14:17 Speaker 1: familiar with it or not. They're talking about more than

2:14:19 Speaker 1: three hundred and fifteen signatories with the US dollars fifty

2:14:25 Speaker 1: seven trillion dollars in assets under management.

2:14:28 Speaker 2: You know.

2:14:28 Speaker 1: The Net Zero Asset Managers Initiative is an international group

2:14:31 Speaker 1: of asset managers committed, consistent with their fiduciary duty to

2:14:35 Speaker 1: their clients and beneficiaries, to supporting the goal of net

2:14:38 Speaker 1: zero greenhouse gas emissions by twenty fifty or soon, or

2:14:41 Speaker 1: in line with the global efforts to limit warning to

2:14:44 Speaker 1: one and a half degrees celsiuse, and to supporting investing

2:14:50 Speaker 1: aligned with net zero mission by twenty fifty or sooner.

2:14:54 Speaker 1: Are these guys noble people or they full of shit?

2:14:58 Speaker 2: Well, to be honest with you, I think many of

2:15:00 Speaker 2: them are well meaning but uninformed. In other words, you're

2:15:03 Speaker 2: not going to I own the I have the largest

2:15:06 Speaker 2: legal allowable solar farm in Virginia at my farm because

2:15:10 Speaker 2: the state caps how big it can be. And when

2:15:13 Speaker 2: our power went out in a snowstorm, we had no heat,

2:15:16 Speaker 2: we had nothing, it barely. I mean, this is a joke.

2:15:18 Speaker 2: You're not going to run a planet with eight billion

2:15:20 Speaker 2: people with solar and wind. Now with these zero point

2:15:24 Speaker 2: quantum vacuum these sort of technologies that have been confiscated,

2:15:28 Speaker 2: patents have been confiscated what we've been talking about that

2:15:31 Speaker 2: would get us there very quickly. But so I think

2:15:35 Speaker 2: their aspirations may be in fact noble, but their methodology

2:15:41 Speaker 2: is fatally flawed because they're not going to get there

2:15:45 Speaker 2: with any of the schemes that they're planning now. And

2:15:48 Speaker 2: that's the frustration here now. Ironically, I was at a

2:15:52 Speaker 2: meeting in twenty thirteen off the coast of Australia. It

2:15:56 Speaker 2: was a group of world muckety MUCKs. It was I

2:16:00 Speaker 2: was asked to give a keynote at this thing. I

2:16:03 Speaker 2: think it was one hundred and twenty people flown in

2:16:05 Speaker 2: on this island, and one of the people there was

2:16:08 Speaker 2: the head of an international I think it was international

2:16:11 Speaker 2: Green Peace director. He was so hostile to what I

2:16:14 Speaker 2: was saying because I pointed out that the only way

2:16:17 Speaker 2: we're going to get to these solutions to clean up

2:16:20 Speaker 2: the oceans, in the air and all this and it

2:16:23 Speaker 2: is to bring out these technologies. And he wouldn't hear

2:16:26 Speaker 2: of anything except the orthodoxy of wind and solar and

2:16:30 Speaker 2: I said, but you know, have you actually run the

2:16:33 Speaker 2: numbers on that. You can't get there from here with

2:16:36 Speaker 2: eight billion people. You know, there's not enough energy density

2:16:40 Speaker 2: or reliability and wind and solar plus wind doesn't blow

2:16:44 Speaker 2: all the time, and the sun isn't up all the time,

2:16:47 Speaker 2: and the battery storage needs are ludicrously huge. We have

2:16:52 Speaker 2: no ability to do that. So the solutions are going

2:16:55 Speaker 2: to have to come from the high tech classified sector.

2:17:00 Speaker 2: Good news to all your children in mine is that

2:17:05 Speaker 2: we have the solution. The bad news is a bunch

2:17:07 Speaker 2: of Nazis, I use that word like Petro Nazi, true fascist,

2:17:13 Speaker 2: ruthless people are keeping it secret. And I'll just put

2:17:17 Speaker 2: it on the table. And you're not going to get

2:17:19 Speaker 2: there by wishful thinking and holding hands and singing Kumbaya.

2:17:24 Speaker 2: You're going to have to do the heavy lift of

2:17:27 Speaker 2: getting these declassified. Now here's another solution. I've made an

2:17:33 Speaker 2: appeal if there are people of high net worth to

2:17:36 Speaker 2: put together a venture capital fund that would be an

2:17:41 Speaker 2: angel fund to create an open source R and D

2:17:45 Speaker 2: lab on this kind of electromagnetic and physics. And I

2:17:50 Speaker 2: think with the information that we have that probably in

2:17:54 Speaker 2: a couple of years we would come out without the

2:17:57 Speaker 2: government declassifying anything. Since most of the gun doesn't have

2:18:01 Speaker 2: access or these big corporations releasing it, we could bring

2:18:05 Speaker 2: it out and if you open sourced it in a

2:18:07 Speaker 2: multi centered way, streamed it on the internet, the whole

2:18:10 Speaker 2: lab streamed the instant you got your Eureka moment. Everyone

2:18:14 Speaker 2: who's an engineer or physicist would have the solution. There'd

2:18:17 Speaker 2: be no patent, there'd be no intellectual property restriction. That's

2:18:21 Speaker 2: what I've been proposing that we do. And honestly, if

2:18:24 Speaker 2: you're actually wanting to spend a fraction, you know, a

2:18:27 Speaker 2: millionth of a percent of what they're going to spend

2:18:29 Speaker 2: on this game, you'd get to this solution probably in

2:18:32 Speaker 2: a couple of years.

2:18:33 Speaker 1: A question for you, what do you think about Terrence Howard?

2:18:36 Speaker 1: Did you watch the podcast with him and Joe Rogan?

2:18:38 Speaker 2: I did not.

2:18:39 Speaker 1: You did not, so you don't see what things he

2:18:41 Speaker 1: was talking about.

2:18:41 Speaker 2: No, I didn't.

2:18:42 Speaker 1: There's a very viral interview. Are you familiar with Billy Carson? Oh?

2:18:45 Speaker 2: Yeah, I know him. What are your thoughts on Billy Carson?

2:18:48 Speaker 1: Oh?

2:18:48 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he's doing some good work. He's here locally,

2:18:50 Speaker 2: and you know, I last year I got the Disclosure

2:18:53 Speaker 2: for Humanity Award from his organization.

2:18:56 Speaker 1: Right, we had him on two days ago. I thought

2:18:58 Speaker 1: he was very interesting listen to him, very interesting. Would

2:19:00 Speaker 1: you guys, would you say you guys are very similar

2:19:03 Speaker 1: on some of the ideas and beliefs or what do

2:19:06 Speaker 1: you Well, I.

2:19:07 Speaker 2: Don't know, Okay, I didn't see that interview, and honestly

2:19:11 Speaker 2: it sounds terrible. I don't have time. I don't look

2:19:14 Speaker 2: at other things much, and it's it's in the I

2:19:18 Speaker 2: just am overwhelmed. I mean, you know, you take a

2:19:21 Speaker 2: like unpack a little bit of what I tell you

2:19:23 Speaker 2: we're doing. I'm, you know, with this huge family and

2:19:26 Speaker 2: flying all over the world and working with all these

2:19:28 Speaker 2: COVID things. I'm not sitting and looking at these things.

2:19:32 Speaker 2: I wish I could tell you not. I appreciate that.

2:19:34 Speaker 2: I plead my ignorance. And it's not to dismiss anyone.

2:19:37 Speaker 2: It's just like I don't have to I want to

2:19:39 Speaker 2: wrap up on this.

2:19:40 Speaker 1: I think one of the things you said when I

2:19:43 Speaker 1: was watching you know, the Lost Century, right, and at

2:19:47 Speaker 1: the end you said you wanted to build a facility

2:19:51 Speaker 1: that's going to be open source twenty four to seven,

2:19:54 Speaker 1: you're working on stuff and there's cameras for other people

2:19:57 Speaker 1: to see on whatever you're building. Right, This whole concept

2:19:59 Speaker 1: of open source, right, probably became more mainstream when Elon

2:20:03 Speaker 1: started talking about all.

2:20:04 Speaker 2: Our stuff is open source.

2:20:05 Speaker 1: Open open sources is a phrase that's been on for

2:20:07 Speaker 1: a long time, but he just kind of took it

2:20:08 Speaker 1: to all different level with you know, a few hundred

2:20:10 Speaker 1: million followers and like, oh, what is open source? Let

2:20:12 Speaker 1: me look into this to walk me through why you know,

2:20:16 Speaker 1: your idea of open source and how that would protect

2:20:20 Speaker 1: both everyone.

2:20:21 Speaker 2: Why that's a good idea? You know?

2:20:24 Speaker 1: Is it going to get others to look and see, well,

2:20:26 Speaker 1: what what if we can do it better? And what

2:20:27 Speaker 1: if we can do it better? What are your thoughts

2:20:29 Speaker 1: on that?

2:20:29 Speaker 2: Well, see, that's the beauty of like crowd sourcing information.

2:20:33 Speaker 2: So let's say you're working on a system and you

2:20:36 Speaker 2: get stuck because you're having a problem rectifying the electromagnetic

2:20:40 Speaker 2: frequency or whatever. If it's open source and it's streamed,

2:20:44 Speaker 2: you have scientists hell over the world. There would be

2:20:47 Speaker 2: a specialist in there that could pipe in and say, well,

2:20:49 Speaker 2: try this right, so you collapse timeframes. Secondly, and this

2:20:54 Speaker 2: is more important if you do it secretively. The minute

2:20:58 Speaker 2: you get that eureka moment, the door is going to

2:20:59 Speaker 2: get kicked in, the device is going to get confiscated,

2:21:03 Speaker 2: and you're going to get a national security order on it,

2:21:05 Speaker 2: or you may get killed. Whereas if it's being streamed

2:21:08 Speaker 2: and the old saying the whole world's watching, that can't happen.

2:21:13 Speaker 2: And the other is that it can't be black shelld

2:21:15 Speaker 2: if a corporation does it. I know people who become

2:21:20 Speaker 2: very wealthy by having an invention like that and they say, well, hey,

2:21:24 Speaker 2: you know what's your price. There's fifty million dollars. Go

2:21:26 Speaker 2: buy a Lamborghini and you know they've sold the and

2:21:30 Speaker 2: they sold, and that corporation puts an all black shelf

2:21:33 Speaker 2: right and never seen or the patent office.

2:21:36 Speaker 1: In our archive, you'll see an MHL that I shilled

2:21:38 Speaker 1: by one of the guys for twenty five million dollars.

2:21:39 Speaker 1: If I'm not mistake. Oh absolutely yes. It happens all

2:21:42 Speaker 1: the time.

2:21:42 Speaker 2: I mean, you know, since nineteen ninety one, I've been

2:21:45 Speaker 2: dealing with inventors that keep having that happen. The other

2:21:48 Speaker 2: is that if you go to the patent route, there

2:21:51 Speaker 2: is a provision in the patent laws related to this

2:21:53 Speaker 2: secrecy act you talked about. And if you look at

2:21:56 Speaker 2: the interview we had with doctor Paul Vallone, who is

2:21:59 Speaker 2: a physicist who was in the patent office, he blew

2:22:02 Speaker 2: the whistle that they were doing this and that we

2:22:06 Speaker 2: have that we have that interview with him. He ended

2:22:10 Speaker 2: up suing the Patent office because he was terminated and

2:22:13 Speaker 2: fired and and and won a settlement. So he won't

2:22:16 Speaker 2: talk about it now.

2:22:16 Speaker 1: I shaid Volone, how do he spelled va l l

2:22:20 Speaker 1: O N E?

2:22:21 Speaker 2: Got a doctor Paul, he's a PhD. Physicist, So yeah,

2:22:26 Speaker 2: we have all that information. So what I've tried to

2:22:29 Speaker 2: do is say, over the last hundred years, how has

2:22:33 Speaker 2: this gone sideways when people have got these discoveries And

2:22:37 Speaker 2: so the idea of doing this on live on the internet, streamed,

2:22:42 Speaker 2: backed up, multi centered, but also where there's no intellectual

2:22:47 Speaker 2: property or patent attached to it, it's you.

2:22:51 Speaker 1: You.

2:22:51 Speaker 2: Basically you're squeezing the toothpaste out of the tube so

2:22:54 Speaker 2: fast no one can put it back in. And that

2:22:57 Speaker 2: I don't think would be so easily for straight to say,

2:23:00 Speaker 2: someone doing a stand up you know, a startup company

2:23:05 Speaker 2: and they're doing it secretively, and it's like the next iPhone,

2:23:09 Speaker 2: We're going to keep it under wraps.

2:23:11 Speaker 1: You know.

2:23:11 Speaker 2: That's how you end up dead or getting confiscated. And

2:23:15 Speaker 2: one of the things that I've found is people don't

2:23:18 Speaker 2: learn from history. But if you study this history of

2:23:21 Speaker 2: these sort of incredible technologies and inventions, you'll see a

2:23:25 Speaker 2: certain number of patterns. And one of them is this

2:23:29 Speaker 2: that people who try to do it, even with the

2:23:32 Speaker 2: best intentions, but are trying to you know, monetize it

2:23:35 Speaker 2: at the front end and keep it a secret or

2:23:38 Speaker 2: a patent or a special sauce. It never gets out

2:23:42 Speaker 2: to the public and they never end up getting anything

2:23:44 Speaker 2: for it unless they take a bribe.

2:23:45 Speaker 1: Who was the guy you spoke to the fellow where

2:23:47 Speaker 1: you said, look, I'm telling you make it open source,

2:23:50 Speaker 1: leak it to everybody. No, no, no, I'm not going

2:23:51 Speaker 1: to do it. I'm pretending then boom, he was killed.

2:23:54 Speaker 1: Who was a guy you talked about somebody on The

2:23:56 Speaker 1: Lost Century?

2:23:57 Speaker 2: Well, I'm not sure in that film, several people I've

2:24:00 Speaker 2: had that happen and yeah, it's a tragedy. Was it

2:24:06 Speaker 2: Thomas Mulray or no? Not?

2:24:07 Speaker 1: Murray was one of the ones you had a conversation

2:24:10 Speaker 1: with to look at the Yeah. There.

2:24:11 Speaker 2: You know, I've dealt with hundreds of these inventors over

2:24:13 Speaker 2: the years.

2:24:14 Speaker 1: Who don't want to give it up, who don't want

2:24:15 Speaker 1: to make they make.

2:24:16 Speaker 2: The same mistake over and over and over and over. Well,

2:24:19 Speaker 2: actually one of the groups was you know, the guys

2:24:22 Speaker 2: who bought all the stan Meyer. You know, he had

2:24:25 Speaker 2: a car that was running on uh water and that

2:24:30 Speaker 2: was real back in the nineties, I believe. But he

2:24:34 Speaker 2: also everyone didn't know he had a toroidal, a donut

2:24:39 Speaker 2: shaped electromagnetic device yep. And you'll see a picture of

2:24:43 Speaker 2: this thing because we were going to try to get

2:24:44 Speaker 2: that collection because he had died. Everyone thinks he was poisoned.

2:24:49 Speaker 2: We don't know, but he dropped it suddenly. And but

2:24:54 Speaker 2: there was a group that had a lot of funding

2:24:56 Speaker 2: from an all shore source who I know now, but

2:25:02 Speaker 2: we didn't know who they were, and they got all

2:25:04 Speaker 2: that material and they were studying it basically reverse engineering

2:25:10 Speaker 2: stan Meyer's inventions, including this electromagnetic It was like a

2:25:15 Speaker 2: doughnut shaped object that was free energy and it had

2:25:18 Speaker 2: a National security order on it from way back then,

2:25:22 Speaker 2: I think, from the eighties, and when they got it operational,

2:25:29 Speaker 2: they were sabotaged. They were a death threats. So I

2:25:31 Speaker 2: got a call from their big funder lord, so and

2:25:35 Speaker 2: so I'm not going to say it on the air

2:25:36 Speaker 2: because Peptist Confidential, who was providing all the money. And

2:25:41 Speaker 2: I said, well, I told them, if you do this secretly,

2:25:44 Speaker 2: when you hit that eureka moment it works, you're going

2:25:48 Speaker 2: to run into the mother vau buzzsaws. And they did.

2:25:50 Speaker 2: And so he says, well, what should I do? I said,

2:25:52 Speaker 2: you need to have them open source this dumping on

2:25:55 Speaker 2: the internet immediately into me and I'll see that it

2:25:58 Speaker 2: gets to millions of people. They wouldn't do it. They

2:26:01 Speaker 2: still thought they could keep it secret. They were going

2:26:04 Speaker 2: to go to another country. I said, dude, you're gonna

2:26:06 Speaker 2: have to go to another damn planet right to protect yourself.

2:26:10 Speaker 2: So the next thing I heard, I think it was

2:26:13 Speaker 2: more than a dozen of them were killed and all

2:26:16 Speaker 2: that everything vanished. And that wasn't that long ago. That

2:26:20 Speaker 2: was just a few years ago. And you know, I've

2:26:22 Speaker 2: seen this happen too often. So everyone who gets dollar

2:26:26 Speaker 2: signs in their eyes, I'm going to be the next

2:26:28 Speaker 2: Rockefeller of energy. Yeah, well, here's what's going to happen.

2:26:32 Speaker 2: Before that occurs. The Murder Incorporated is going to kick

2:26:36 Speaker 2: your door in and kick your ass or you know,

2:26:39 Speaker 2: they'll offer to buy you out, but you're not going

2:26:41 Speaker 2: to benefit humanity or the Earth. I think it's sort

2:26:44 Speaker 2: of like when the DARPA, the Defensive Vance Research Project Administration,

2:26:49 Speaker 2: started the Internet. It was them, not al Gore, and

2:26:54 Speaker 2: al Gore claimed he invent know but the truth is

2:26:58 Speaker 2: DARPA it it's open source, and it's spun off thousands

2:27:03 Speaker 2: of companies, including some that are trillion dollar companies. I

2:27:06 Speaker 2: think that if a group did this as Angel funders,

2:27:11 Speaker 2: they would be able to get it out there and

2:27:14 Speaker 2: it would spawn a whole new economy. Imagine what could

2:27:18 Speaker 2: happen in Africa and South America and Indian poverished areas.

2:27:25 Speaker 2: You would have such a huge uplift in humanity and

2:27:29 Speaker 2: the economy. Now, as that goes up, there are going

2:27:33 Speaker 2: to be some people who will go the other way.

2:27:36 Speaker 2: Just like royal typewriters didn't adapt to the Internet age

2:27:41 Speaker 2: and computers, and so they went the way of all flesh.

2:27:45 Speaker 2: If you made horse carriages and you didn't adapt to

2:27:49 Speaker 2: the automobile, you went bankrupt, So you know, at a

2:27:52 Speaker 2: certain point, that's just the way technology has to evolve.

2:27:57 Speaker 2: So the secrecy around all this it's time for and

2:28:02 Speaker 2: that's how it's going to happen.

2:28:03 Speaker 1: It isn't going to have open source model, so you

2:28:06 Speaker 1: have to you have to be willing to do it

2:28:09 Speaker 1: for civilization and your kids and family and others instead

2:28:12 Speaker 1: of your pocketbook.

2:28:14 Speaker 2: Yeah, but on the second order, now, let's remember, if

2:28:16 Speaker 2: you did it open source, it doesn't mean you can't

2:28:18 Speaker 2: then productize it, create products. Secondarily. Now there'll be a

2:28:23 Speaker 2: lot of people doing that, but it's like the first

2:28:26 Speaker 2: Xerox machine was still the first xerx machine, even if

2:28:29 Speaker 2: it eventually got copied and imitated. And let's not forget

2:28:33 Speaker 2: in this climate globally, I don't care if you patent

2:28:36 Speaker 2: it or keep it secret. The first thing is going

2:28:37 Speaker 2: to happen is in China and other countries, they're going

2:28:40 Speaker 2: to study it, reverse engineer. I'm out with generation too,

2:28:44 Speaker 2: and they're not going to care about your patent or

2:28:45 Speaker 2: your intellectual product.

2:28:46 Speaker 1: Even in America that we just saw, even in an

2:28:48 Speaker 1: FTC noncompete laws, they just change right now, that's getting

2:28:51 Speaker 1: effect in August that they're doing that.

2:28:56 Speaker 2: That's just a given. Yeah, So I tell people about this,

2:29:00 Speaker 2: you need to be smart about it because if you

2:29:02 Speaker 2: don't learn from history, you're going to repeat it and

2:29:04 Speaker 2: repeat it and repeat it. And that's, as I say,

2:29:07 Speaker 2: you know, the definition of insanity doing the same thing

2:29:10 Speaker 2: over and over expecting a different result. So I think

2:29:13 Speaker 2: this is a fresh approach. It's controversial because most people

2:29:17 Speaker 2: I've met of high net worth they want to keep

2:29:20 Speaker 2: it secret. They want to monetize it. You know, it's like, dude,

2:29:23 Speaker 2: you've already got a billion, do you care? I mean,

2:29:26 Speaker 2: you know at a certain point. I mean, I'm a

2:29:28 Speaker 2: retired doctor. I'm comfortable, but you know, I can't fund

2:29:31 Speaker 2: something like that. But I'm always astonished at how myopic

2:29:35 Speaker 2: a lot of folks are about this.

2:29:36 Speaker 1: Have you ever had a meeting with elam muscor now,

2:29:38 Speaker 1: you guys, have ever had a conversation?

2:29:40 Speaker 2: No? I haven't. Yeah, I don't know him personally. Interesting.

2:29:42 Speaker 1: I have a friend who who does. But you've never

2:29:45 Speaker 1: been on Tucker. You guys have never had any conversation. No.

2:29:48 Speaker 2: I think he reached it just hasn't happened. I would

2:29:50 Speaker 2: love to. Yeah, you know, yeah, we hook us up.

2:29:54 Speaker 2: I mean, I think he's he's been on the right

2:29:56 Speaker 2: path on some things on this issue, and then I

2:30:00 Speaker 2: I think he got gas lit and diverted. I mean,

2:30:03 Speaker 2: I'm being honest with you.

2:30:04 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he's He's His level of curiosity and

2:30:11 Speaker 1: willingness to seek the truth and challenge the statistical and

2:30:17 Speaker 1: have the I don't give a you know attitude is

2:30:22 Speaker 1: going to both get him in trouble as.

2:30:24 Speaker 2: Well as get us closer to the truth.

2:30:26 Speaker 1: Yes, and I think that's a very honorable position to

2:30:30 Speaker 1: be in, risky because you risk not being liked and

2:30:34 Speaker 1: hated and you know, defame and defamation all this other

2:30:38 Speaker 1: stuff that comes with it.

2:30:38 Speaker 2: But hey, I've had it. But the other thing is,

2:30:43 Speaker 2: I said this earlier, little knowledge is a dangerous thing

2:30:45 Speaker 2: with this issue because I think out in the public

2:30:48 Speaker 2: there's nine parts disinformation and fake stuff and one may

2:30:53 Speaker 2: be one part real. And so I mean the reason

2:30:58 Speaker 2: that the chief folks for Intelligence Committee have asked me

2:31:01 Speaker 2: to come in is because they know that I actually

2:31:04 Speaker 2: have information. And so I think journalists like mister Carlson

2:31:11 Speaker 2: or others, if they're really going to look into this,

2:31:14 Speaker 2: need to look into it properly and uvail themselves of experts,

2:31:18 Speaker 2: And I always tell people, not me so much as

2:31:21 Speaker 2: what we've collected, but I can articulate that. But I

2:31:26 Speaker 2: just think it's very important for people to understand this

2:31:29 Speaker 2: is not like anything else. If you take, for the

2:31:33 Speaker 2: top secret document from Canada for nineteen fifty one of

2:31:37 Speaker 2: the things that said black and white, this issue is

2:31:40 Speaker 2: the most secret subject in the entire US government, exceeding

2:31:45 Speaker 2: the secrecy of the detonation of the first hydrogen bomb

2:31:49 Speaker 2: when they were working on the hydrogen bomb that was

2:31:52 Speaker 2: nineteen fifty fifty two, we detonated it. Imagine anything more

2:31:56 Speaker 2: secret than the ultimate dooms they weapon and what kind

2:31:59 Speaker 2: of counterintelligence and disinformation has been pushed out to the

2:32:04 Speaker 2: public to gaslight people and divert them. So I think

2:32:09 Speaker 2: people have to take that document seriously and say, well,

2:32:12 Speaker 2: what has been done? Yeah, And that's been my huge

2:32:14 Speaker 2: challenge is to you know, sift the truth from the

2:32:18 Speaker 2: fiction to the best I can.

2:32:20 Speaker 1: Rob, let's put the link below on chat when it

2:32:24 Speaker 1: goes live on Spotify on Apple, can you say the domain?

2:32:28 Speaker 1: So even some of the people that just listened to

2:32:29 Speaker 1: the audio, they know how to go find it if

2:32:32 Speaker 1: you can give the domain.

2:32:33 Speaker 2: If you really, if you want to find it, go

2:32:35 Speaker 2: to doctor Stephen Greer dot com. From there you can

2:32:37 Speaker 2: go do okay fantastic. So that's the easy way to

2:32:39 Speaker 2: go to and also just a little appeal two things.

2:32:44 Speaker 2: Next in July, we're going to have a gathering in

2:32:47 Speaker 2: California and Temecula that if people want a weapbinar. With that,

2:32:51 Speaker 2: they're going to learn a whole lot more about all this,

2:32:53 Speaker 2: including the CE five contact. There's an app for CE

2:32:57 Speaker 2: five contact you can get. We're also crowded funding the

2:33:00 Speaker 2: archive because it's going to cost us six digits a year,

2:33:04 Speaker 2: and the only way we're going to keep it free.

2:33:06 Speaker 2: We don't have a paywall up. We're keeping it free.

2:33:08 Speaker 2: But the only way to keep it free is that

2:33:10 Speaker 2: people contribute. So we're asking for people or.

2:33:13 Speaker 1: Did they do on your website or on okay? It

2:33:15 Speaker 1: says donate right there at the top. I see it fantastic.

2:33:19 Speaker 1: Last time we did it was four years ago. I'm

2:33:22 Speaker 1: hoping the next time we do it it's not four

2:33:23 Speaker 1: years from now. Yeah, it's a really I really enjoyed it.

2:33:26 Speaker 1: I appreciate you, appreciate your work. I'd never heard about

2:33:30 Speaker 1: Enveissioned Secrecy Act until I watch your documentary, and I'm

2:33:33 Speaker 1: so curious about it.

2:33:34 Speaker 2: I want to know what's behind it.

2:33:35 Speaker 1: There's a high level of curiosity, and I highly recommend everybody,

2:33:38 Speaker 1: if you don't go to his website, go watch the

2:33:41 Speaker 1: documentary The Last Century and you'll see what it's going

2:33:45 Speaker 1: to do to you when you start thinking about some

2:33:47 Speaker 1: of these clips. This is a podcast. This documentary actually

2:33:49 Speaker 1: shows these people that had the inventions and what happened

2:33:52 Speaker 1: to their lives. I think it's very, very important for

2:33:54 Speaker 1: everybody around the world to watch this. Doctor Stephen Greer,

2:33:57 Speaker 1: thank you so much for coming out. This was fantastic, Shadeed.

2:34:00 Speaker 2: I appreciate you. Take care everybody, Bye bright Okay,