WEAPONIZING Former Vet & UFO RESEARCHERS CURIOSITY (Ft. Gene Sticco)

0:11 Speaker 1: Welcome back to a special edition of Total Disclosure the Podcast.

0:17 Speaker 1: I'm here with producer Gene of all of all people.

0:22 Speaker 1: I'm here with producer Jean Sticker, who has been brought

0:26 Speaker 1: on to help the show in various different you know,

0:30 Speaker 1: a bunch of different ways. But he's been helping me produce.

0:33 Speaker 1: And you just wrote this article. And I'm not gonna

0:37 Speaker 1: lie when I say I've been itching for an in

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0:46 Speaker 2: Yeah, listen, it's all about It's all about the brand.

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0:52 Speaker 1: I've matched We matched them. I just got everything for

0:55 Speaker 1: my birthday, the mic flags. We got a couple of

0:57 Speaker 1: studio stickers for you. But you wrote this article, and

1:01 Speaker 1: I thought we should probably highlight some of the things

1:04 Speaker 1: in it because it's something that I've been talking about

1:06 Speaker 1: for a long time and it's not only nice to

1:09 Speaker 1: see it being brought up by someone else, but by you.

1:12 Speaker 1: And when I knew you were doing it, but I

1:15 Speaker 1: didn't know what I was getting into when I when

1:17 Speaker 1: I read it. So can you just recap your the

1:22 Speaker 1: interactions that led to this because it seems like you

1:27 Speaker 1: and George would would really hit off with given that

1:30 Speaker 1: you're both working at this Russian UFO file like information,

1:35 Speaker 1: like whether it's from this source or that, you know,

1:37 Speaker 1: it seems like something that would be very easily integrated

1:39 Speaker 1: where you guys could at least sit down together and talk.

1:44 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think the you know, the history

1:47 Speaker 3: of it's important. You know, the framing of it is important,

1:50 Speaker 3: and all the rest of it, because I think it's

1:53 Speaker 3: easy to sort of for somebody to instantly go to, oh,

1:57 Speaker 3: sour grapes or you know, of got something out for

2:00 Speaker 3: the guy or whatever. I don't, you know, it's not

2:04 Speaker 3: it's not about that, you know, for anybody that doesn't

2:08 Speaker 3: know the background.

2:09 Speaker 2: Right.

2:09 Speaker 3: I'm didn't come out of this world. I wasn't a

2:12 Speaker 3: fan of this my whole life, the UFOUAP thing, right, Yes,

2:16 Speaker 3: I went and saw et Yes, I saw Close Encounters

2:20 Speaker 3: of the third kind, and then I think, you know,

2:23 Speaker 3: then streamed Ancient Aliens, right, Like, that's the scope of

2:28 Speaker 3: what I knew when my found in law's works dropped

2:32 Speaker 3: in my lap in twenty seventeen or twenty nineteen, So

2:38 Speaker 3: you know, between twenty nineteen and finally making the decision

2:41 Speaker 3: to publish in twenty twenty four, which was driven by

2:48 Speaker 3: a number of things, you know, or research that I

2:52 Speaker 3: had done into these documents, into the science, and how

2:58 Speaker 3: it was aligning with all of the questions everybody seemed

3:02 Speaker 3: to be answered. Right as I started looking at the community,

3:05 Speaker 3: I see all these questions and I'm like, this seems

3:09 Speaker 3: to answer what everybody's talking about.

3:12 Speaker 1: You're like, I have potentially here the outlet or at

3:17 Speaker 1: least a piece of the puzzle of what everyone's talking about.

3:21 Speaker 1: You're like, hey, I have all these you know, you're

3:23 Speaker 1: missing a puzzle piece here that I think I can

3:26 Speaker 1: I can help with. And it seems like you've been

3:28 Speaker 1: outly not rejected. But there's this gate keeping effect that

3:34 Speaker 1: is around the UFO community.

3:36 Speaker 2: Yeah.

3:37 Speaker 3: Absolutely, I mean so it was like, again, you know,

3:40 Speaker 3: as an outsider stepping in, it's like, oh, we need answers,

3:44 Speaker 3: we need answers. I'm like, hey, here's something I think

3:47 Speaker 3: might lead you to some answers. Right, But then I

3:51 Speaker 3: quickly noticed like nobody wanted to do the work right.

3:53 Speaker 3: That became obvious thing Number one, nobody actually wants to

3:58 Speaker 3: do the work. Obvious thing Number two that popped up

4:02 Speaker 3: was when presented with science with mathematics with an explanation,

4:16 Speaker 3: nobody really wants an explanation that isn't what they already think.

4:22 Speaker 3: So I often I'd often describe it like, you know,

4:25 Speaker 3: I would hear something, I'd be like, you know, take

4:28 Speaker 3: a look at it, and you know, run everything and

4:30 Speaker 3: and figure it out, and you know, saying it without

4:33 Speaker 3: saying it's like, oh, you're you know, you're you're kind

4:36 Speaker 3: of right, but for the wrong reasons, and here's some

4:40 Speaker 3: structure to look at and maybe this will help. But

4:45 Speaker 3: then it goes back to problem number two. They actually

4:48 Speaker 3: didn't want to do any of the work. So there's

4:53 Speaker 3: you know, so there was that issue there. So obviously,

4:57 Speaker 3: you know, became again what I was very specific, right, so,

5:02 Speaker 3: as I've told everybody, you know, tried reaching out to

5:05 Speaker 3: the academic community here in the Boston area. Nobody had

5:08 Speaker 3: an interest in sort of taking a look and being

5:11 Speaker 3: like we had some friends who are in the science

5:14 Speaker 3: field who looked at it recognize some things.

5:17 Speaker 2: Great. So obviously Rhodes led right to.

5:21 Speaker 3: George Knapps right as this is the guy who is

5:24 Speaker 3: the you know, Russia files UFO guy brought him back

5:28 Speaker 3: from ninety three, and so you know, send an email,

5:32 Speaker 3: you know, and generally the emails I sent were all

5:34 Speaker 3: the same. Introduced to myself. These landed in our laps

5:38 Speaker 3: after my father in law died. We can't make heads

5:41 Speaker 3: of tails of them. They obviously have something to do

5:44 Speaker 3: with UFOs. Here's a few key screenshots.

5:48 Speaker 1: So you weren't giving him the entire well.

5:51 Speaker 3: I mean, I don't want to send somebody, you know,

5:53 Speaker 3: one hundred megabyte file or whatever, right, but just a.

5:57 Speaker 2: Couple of the key screens. Yeah, exactly.

6:00 Speaker 3: Like again, like with the universities, I didn't send anything

6:03 Speaker 3: that had like the pictures of the drawings of the UFOs.

6:07 Speaker 3: It was purely the math, you know, or or kind

6:10 Speaker 3: of stuff. And and the only part, so you know again,

6:14 Speaker 3: George Knapp, certainly, you know, I can go on and

6:17 Speaker 3: on again.

6:18 Speaker 2: I think anybody I could find who.

6:22 Speaker 3: Is out there positioning themselves as a champion of disclosure

6:28 Speaker 3: that would come up in a Google search, it's reasonable

6:31 Speaker 3: to say I probably sent them an email.

6:33 Speaker 1: Okay, right, So and what do you think you're what

6:36 Speaker 1: do you how did you feel about the response as

6:39 Speaker 1: because you're not you're also not just newbody.

6:43 Speaker 2: Well, thank you, you're not.

6:44 Speaker 1: You're not just like a random dude soliciting like like

6:49 Speaker 1: you know, it's it's there's a there is a difference.

6:51 Speaker 1: I got a background, you have an actual background that

6:55 Speaker 1: if someone took a look at for more than a

6:57 Speaker 1: couple of minutes, they'd be like, actually, we should probably

7:01 Speaker 1: hear this guy out.

7:02 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I would do that, you know, I think

7:04 Speaker 3: I would frame you know, i'd certainly frame the emails,

7:07 Speaker 3: you know, with a bit of that that I'm a

7:09 Speaker 3: you know, I'm a US Air Force veteran, former intelligence contractor.

7:13 Speaker 3: My wife is a professional you know, opera singer.

7:19 Speaker 1: The money's like not your thing.

7:22 Speaker 3: I mean again, it was it was never above it.

7:24 Speaker 3: Core question I was actually trying to ask everybody is

7:28 Speaker 3: does does this work seem to have any role or

7:36 Speaker 3: value to the academic discourse of the issue, or is

7:42 Speaker 3: it purely a neat family heirloom that's it, because I

7:46 Speaker 3: didn't know, again, in this period, if these were this

7:53 Speaker 3: was could just as easily had been something you know,

7:57 Speaker 3: his nighttime hobby, scribbling at the kitchen table. He just

8:00 Speaker 3: liked to do advanced physics and about the UFOs. Yeah,

8:05 Speaker 3: I get because we had no you know, none of

8:09 Speaker 3: this was information that new, right she didn't. You know,

8:12 Speaker 3: she knew her dad had the aerospace background. She knew

8:15 Speaker 3: he worked in uh, you know, Kazakhstan. He did some

8:20 Speaker 3: stuff with bike and omer you know, the cosmoderome in

8:24 Speaker 3: kazakh Stan. But it wasn't anything you know, as she

8:28 Speaker 3: describes it, like she knew he was some kind of plumber,

8:31 Speaker 3: right right, None of this was in our thinking, you know,

8:38 Speaker 3: going forward.

8:40 Speaker 2: Don't. As it became apparent though.

8:43 Speaker 3: That like nobody was gonna let me buy them a

8:47 Speaker 3: cup of coffee and have a look at this stuff

8:49 Speaker 3: and give me an idea, I was like, all right,

8:51 Speaker 3: I need to break this.

8:52 Speaker 2: Down now like an investigator.

8:54 Speaker 3: Now now I'm going to run this as an intel

8:57 Speaker 3: off because again I was already retired, right, I was

9:02 Speaker 3: working on the business side of an ats music opera career,

9:06 Speaker 3: producing you know, operas and concerts and things like that.

9:10 Speaker 3: So I'm like, all right, this will be my thing.

9:12 Speaker 3: So I just started from that, you know, started from

9:16 Speaker 3: square one.

9:16 Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, how am I going to approach this?

9:20 Speaker 2: So here's what I've got.

9:21 Speaker 3: So I just started purely with the documents themselves, right,

9:25 Speaker 3: what was you know, what were indicators of the Soviet

9:31 Speaker 3: Soviet research?

9:33 Speaker 2: Right?

9:33 Speaker 3: What do you look for to say whether something is

9:36 Speaker 3: structured in a in a university way or a scientific

9:40 Speaker 3: way within the Soviet system, because I at least kind

9:44 Speaker 3: of knew the timeframe that he wrote this, or.

9:47 Speaker 1: Is it accurate in that timeframe? Would this be something

9:51 Speaker 1: like that?

9:52 Speaker 2: Right?

9:52 Speaker 3: So are the papers themselves structured in a way that

9:56 Speaker 3: could tell me if they were academic papers, hobbyist papers,

10:02 Speaker 3: or official research papers?

10:04 Speaker 1: Exactly?

10:05 Speaker 3: Right, So that was sort of the starting point in

10:09 Speaker 3: the course of that research, you know, seeing things like

10:12 Speaker 3: the cover sheets, right, that they would use a color

10:17 Speaker 3: coding system on some of the top papers that may

10:21 Speaker 3: indicate classification. So my botherom laws papers had this. The

10:27 Speaker 3: only different colored paper on it was the top piece

10:30 Speaker 3: of paper, which just had handwritten notes, but it was

10:34 Speaker 3: still it was this reddish pink, right, So that was

10:39 Speaker 3: something that they would do. So there were cover sheets,

10:42 Speaker 3: but there was also this sort of colored piece of

10:45 Speaker 3: paper thing. It was a quick visual identifier. You're walking

10:49 Speaker 3: around with this stuff, you know that's classified, it's in

10:55 Speaker 3: some way some.

10:56 Speaker 1: Degree you're dealing with that color coding.

10:59 Speaker 2: Says time, right exactly.

11:01 Speaker 3: So I'm like, okay, so it and it it was

11:05 Speaker 3: beyond what the standard sort of academic model was. So

11:10 Speaker 3: it's like, all right, this wasn't something he did for university.

11:14 Speaker 3: But I didn't discount that right away, because then I

11:17 Speaker 3: started breaking down the science and the theories and the references.

11:21 Speaker 2: And all of that, you know, comparing what was.

11:26 Speaker 3: Known in his university years versus what would have come

11:31 Speaker 3: after the university years, right, So that became another indicator

11:36 Speaker 3: that this just wasn't a purely within you know, the

11:41 Speaker 3: university time things. This was something beyond that, and you know,

11:46 Speaker 3: and so that's sort of the depth and process. Even

11:49 Speaker 3: even you know, some of the papers were yellowed, right,

11:53 Speaker 3: which means they were like like nineteen eighties, they were

11:57 Speaker 3: in a smoke field, right, so you know, they you

12:01 Speaker 3: could see like paper clip markings, which was something I

12:07 Speaker 3: was already aware of. So in the Soviet Union, paper

12:11 Speaker 3: clips and staples and things like that were made were

12:13 Speaker 3: made of steel, and so they would rust when it

12:17 Speaker 3: goes to humid onto the page and leave the rust marks.

12:21 Speaker 3: So there's rust marks from the staples and paper clips

12:24 Speaker 3: and things like that, and that was an old way. Actually,

12:28 Speaker 3: people with fake passports used to get caught using fake

12:32 Speaker 3: Soviet documents because the when they opened them up, if

12:36 Speaker 3: a Western nation produced a fake Soviet document, they wouldn't

12:42 Speaker 3: use the right staples. So when they opened up, like

12:45 Speaker 3: the passport, if they didn't because it's on your body,

12:49 Speaker 3: it's going to build humidity. If they didn't see the

12:51 Speaker 3: rust a red flag.

12:54 Speaker 1: Oh wow wow. So the work okay, So you start,

13:01 Speaker 1: you start formulating a kind of an idea that this

13:07 Speaker 1: isn't just a guy doing work for a university. This

13:11 Speaker 1: is not a guy who's doing some sort of hobbyistic

13:16 Speaker 1: advance physics as a plumber.

13:20 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, you know, right, So again at that point.

13:23 Speaker 1: Now he would do a lot of pro bono.

13:25 Speaker 3: So I can't say I dismissed that, you know, in

13:29 Speaker 3: any early stage, because again I had no point of

13:33 Speaker 3: comparison that you know, could rule it out. So could

13:39 Speaker 3: you have been sitting there in his kitchen with a typewriter?

13:43 Speaker 3: And I guess, But then you know, but then it

13:46 Speaker 3: becomes like why, yeah.

13:49 Speaker 1: I guess. The question with that shift to what did

13:52 Speaker 1: he know to be able to do this as a hobby?

13:57 Speaker 2: Right?

13:59 Speaker 1: Math is you know, very on point. You know, it's

14:03 Speaker 1: it's not it doesn't seem like a creat work of fiction.

14:07 Speaker 1: A work of fiction, you would assume that he would

14:10 Speaker 1: want it to be disseminated to some degree eventually. I

14:13 Speaker 1: don't know. That's just where I go.

14:15 Speaker 3: So that's where we gone into, you know, translating, and

14:18 Speaker 3: so for a long time Natalia was trying to translate

14:21 Speaker 3: a lot of this on her own, which again, you know,

14:24 Speaker 3: I can hand you a physics book right now and

14:26 Speaker 3: ask you to read it to me, ben't exactly the

14:29 Speaker 3: context and things right, So you know, it was sort

14:33 Speaker 3: of the same thing. But from what we could discern,

14:36 Speaker 3: there was very specific language that was being used, right,

14:40 Speaker 3: and it was observational, so you know, the craft itself.

14:45 Speaker 3: He kept calling the UFO the saucer like.

14:50 Speaker 1: He's looking at or in proximity of some degree removed.

14:56 Speaker 1: Maybe I don't know, but he's talking about an object exists,

15:00 Speaker 1: not not like an.

15:02 Speaker 3: Idea, right, not right, And this isn't a you know,

15:06 Speaker 3: oh of a UFO.

15:08 Speaker 1: The it's the there's some there's a there's a physical something.

15:15 Speaker 1: It's not an ideological.

15:17 Speaker 3: Like what it right, and that that's what all of

15:20 Speaker 3: the That's what all the language sort of pointed to, right,

15:24 Speaker 3: was that these he was speaking in absolutes. There wasn't

15:29 Speaker 3: it may do this, it may do that. And then

15:32 Speaker 3: he would be referring to you know, there was a

15:35 Speaker 3: reference that jumped out, you know, that compares it against

15:40 Speaker 3: the uf the and the wording he use essentially is

15:43 Speaker 3: like the large UFO, the mothership that was recently near

15:49 Speaker 3: the sun.

15:50 Speaker 2: You know.

15:51 Speaker 3: So he references another UFO that was recently near the

15:57 Speaker 3: Sun and it was extracting. He's said, says, you know,

16:01 Speaker 3: water hydrogen from the plasma of the sun.

16:07 Speaker 1: Is that something that can happen there's hydrogen.

16:12 Speaker 3: So this became this became the thing of you know,

16:16 Speaker 3: the language was definitive. So then it's like, all right,

16:22 Speaker 3: is this real science?

16:25 Speaker 2: Right?

16:25 Speaker 3: And that's where it started blowing up for me because

16:31 Speaker 3: the idea that I have these documents out of the

16:36 Speaker 3: Soviet Union written in the nineteen eighties by a man

16:40 Speaker 3: who had an aerospace degree but was otherwise.

16:43 Speaker 1: A plumber, and I think it's a cover story, but he's.

16:47 Speaker 3: Done one hundred and nineteen pages of physics, right, and

16:51 Speaker 3: this isn't. Again, all I know is this guy's wrote

16:55 Speaker 3: a bunch of shit with physics and is described bunch

17:00 Speaker 3: of things. Okay, when I start using all the tools

17:07 Speaker 3: available to research and compare, right, multiple ai you know, tools,

17:14 Speaker 3: research and this and that, everything was consistently coming back

17:20 Speaker 3: the same.

17:22 Speaker 2: Right.

17:23 Speaker 3: This is magnetohydrodynamic propulsion. And this is studied by the

17:27 Speaker 3: US Navy and by DARPA, and by DII and by.

17:30 Speaker 2: Air Force Propulsion Labs and SANDIA Labs.

17:34 Speaker 1: All the big all the big time UFO, Sussex.

17:40 Speaker 3: Right now, mind you, this is without inputting that oh

17:44 Speaker 3: I'm researching, you have because I was very careful. Right,

17:48 Speaker 3: this is what this is, what's not front loading. This

17:51 Speaker 3: is here are fifty two scientific domains. Who else has

17:56 Speaker 3: researched these things? Yes, Oh, the NASA BPP pro research this,

18:01 Speaker 3: the DIA, DRDs did this, this, this, and this.

18:06 Speaker 1: So now you're getting not just not just results, but

18:12 Speaker 1: the results.

18:13 Speaker 2: In mind you.

18:14 Speaker 3: Now, I don't know anything about any of these US

18:17 Speaker 3: government programs either. I knew nothing about DRDs or BPP or.

18:22 Speaker 1: Awest that they're the program exactly.

18:29 Speaker 3: So this is why I'm like, there's this is something

18:33 Speaker 3: now on top of that, he had this what we

18:38 Speaker 3: call the twenty twenty four prediction. We've coalked about where

18:41 Speaker 3: he is.

18:41 Speaker 1: Now, break that just before we get into because we'll

18:44 Speaker 1: get into some of the why we're really here talking

18:47 Speaker 1: about this right now as we as the climax of

18:51 Speaker 1: the video, if you will. What is this predictive model?

18:59 Speaker 1: How does it present?

19:00 Speaker 3: So he goes into talking about the navigation and operation

19:05 Speaker 3: of the craft, and there seems to be one of

19:09 Speaker 3: the three elements of controlling the craft is the pilot's

19:14 Speaker 3: ability to tie into this information energy field, and that

19:20 Speaker 3: in order to do that, there's an advancement. In order

19:23 Speaker 3: for humans to do it, there's an advancement we're going

19:26 Speaker 3: to have to go through. And so he starts breaking

19:29 Speaker 3: down how civilizations and societies, the rise and falls and

19:35 Speaker 3: all the rest of it. And so again a lot

19:38 Speaker 3: of it's historical, right, he's making parallels. Okay, you know

19:44 Speaker 3: there's six thousand ear cycles, there's eighteen year cycles, fifty

19:47 Speaker 3: four year cycles, again, all stuff you kind of heard before, but.

19:53 Speaker 2: This time I'm in Now mind you, we're.

19:55 Speaker 3: In twenty twenty and he's talking about in twenty twenty four,

20:00 Speaker 3: and so he's talking about this transition of Earth through

20:06 Speaker 3: the sixth gate of the Orion Belt, which causes this

20:11 Speaker 3: next DNA download.

20:13 Speaker 2: That we all get.

20:16 Speaker 3: Fifty percent of society, there'll be this, Yeah, there'll be

20:20 Speaker 3: this split of fifty percent of society who will erience

20:26 Speaker 3: this right away. And it is this tension between the

20:30 Speaker 3: oligarchy spiritualism and that we are becoming better attuned to

20:38 Speaker 3: the truth and all this sort of shit.

20:41 Speaker 2: Okay, so now mind you. Now we're going twenty twenty one,

20:44 Speaker 2: twenty two, twenty.

20:45 Speaker 3: Three, and he's talking, you know again, it's these waves

20:50 Speaker 3: in this net, and I'm like that. I kept saying,

20:52 Speaker 3: We're like, this sounds a lot like what your dad

20:55 Speaker 3: is talking about.

20:57 Speaker 2: And then it was literally in twenty twenty four where.

21:01 Speaker 3: I was like, we've just got to publish this now

21:04 Speaker 3: because there is something too. By this point, I had

21:08 Speaker 3: began aligning all the projects being the spend. I'm seeing

21:13 Speaker 3: the hearings in twenty twenty three, No, and I'm like,

21:18 Speaker 3: this is exactly what they're talking about. So I mean

21:24 Speaker 3: and again, emails to the UAP Caucus, to all of

21:28 Speaker 3: the representatives.

21:31 Speaker 1: Damn, I wish I had known you that.

21:33 Speaker 3: Unanswered all the rest of it right, because I'm like,

21:36 Speaker 3: this is exactly what they're talking about and they're saying

21:40 Speaker 3: they can't find these programs or they don't know how,

21:43 Speaker 3: and I'm like, this seems to be the roadman. So

21:47 Speaker 3: published it right, did the best translation we could in

21:51 Speaker 3: the time, put it out there. Then I just sat

21:53 Speaker 3: on it and I continued doing the research. And it

21:56 Speaker 3: wasn't until June when I was like, you know what,

22:00 Speaker 3: nobody's gonna help us with this. I guess, you know,

22:03 Speaker 3: let me do a press conference. Well shortly after that

22:06 Speaker 3: we had met. Yeah, and really it was Jim a

22:10 Speaker 3: Rock from move On in Massachusetts, who's a fielding investigator,

22:15 Speaker 3: who was the first one who reached out because I

22:18 Speaker 3: invited him to the press conference that the materials and

22:23 Speaker 3: he's the first one who said it. He said to me,

22:26 Speaker 3: he goes, this is the UFO find of the century.

22:29 Speaker 3: He said, this is the Rosetta Stone. He was like,

22:33 Speaker 3: how is this done? On the front page of the

22:35 Speaker 3: New York Times right now? And you know, and again

22:37 Speaker 3: I'm sitting I'm thinking he's crazy to a degree because

22:41 Speaker 3: I'm like, are you shitting me?

22:42 Speaker 2: Are you?

22:43 Speaker 1: And he's like, Jean, this is this is everything.

22:47 Speaker 2: This is everything is in here.

22:49 Speaker 1: The math, the spirituality parts, the I mean, look at

22:57 Speaker 1: twenty twenty four is a year right like them out.

23:01 Speaker 1: Twenty twenty four was a year we'd gone through the

23:05 Speaker 1: Grush hearings, We'd gone through the Alizondo set of hearings. Right, Arguably,

23:12 Speaker 1: that was the year that people started like the Tucker

23:15 Speaker 1: Carlson's spiritualism came back, the pendulum swung back. People were

23:21 Speaker 1: very like, not anti God or anything, but like for

23:26 Speaker 1: a while there people were like more they were okay

23:29 Speaker 1: with science and they were okay with there.

23:31 Speaker 2: Was a marked difference between fifty percent of the society

23:36 Speaker 2: to the other fifty percent of society and.

23:39 Speaker 1: Gotta go ran scale.

23:42 Speaker 3: And that's when I was like, there has got to be,

23:44 Speaker 3: you know, something to this. So in part so in

23:49 Speaker 3: addition to the press conference, again that was another coincidence,

23:56 Speaker 3: I guess where a video came across my instagram of

24:03 Speaker 3: a nineteen ninety three interview with George nat and you know,

24:08 Speaker 3: in the clip, he's like, I brought these documents back

24:10 Speaker 3: from Russia and they show reverse engineering. I remixed the

24:17 Speaker 3: clip with screenshots of the documents and just wrote in

24:22 Speaker 3: like this George like this, and it's like for four years,

24:26 Speaker 3: five years, I've been trying to you know, I'll emailed

24:29 Speaker 3: you several times. You know this, you know this is

24:33 Speaker 3: what you talked about. So I get a direct message

24:36 Speaker 3: from George he said, I never saw her any email,

24:41 Speaker 3: which is okay, Well, okay, which is okay. You know

24:44 Speaker 3: what of your guy, here's my email, send it to me.

24:51 Speaker 3: And I did, wrote a lovely letter, emailed it, got nothing.

24:58 Speaker 3: In the meantime, Jim A Rock pingdom George. I'm excited

25:04 Speaker 3: to hear you're looking at Jeanstick goes, you know, the

25:07 Speaker 3: these files, and he replied back to I'm curious, but

25:11 Speaker 3: a lot of it's over my head. Okay, great, you know,

25:16 Speaker 3: but again extended out with you know. Essentially, my my

25:19 Speaker 3: ask was if you could take a look at this,

25:22 Speaker 3: you know, if you have any thoughts or are open

25:25 Speaker 3: to you know, a twenty thirty minute conversation, would love

25:28 Speaker 3: to pick your brain.

25:29 Speaker 1: Right, That was it, flaid, you know, just for a minute,

25:33 Speaker 1: no cameras.

25:34 Speaker 2: Thirty minutes.

25:34 Speaker 3: Again, I'm just trying to find out what this is, right,

25:38 Speaker 3: I wasn't on this circuit and trying to promote, you know,

25:42 Speaker 3: My thing was, I'm like, we seem to have congressional

25:45 Speaker 3: representatives who are asking all of these questions. And I'm like,

25:49 Speaker 3: if you take this and ask questions off of this,

25:53 Speaker 3: you're going to get some there's a lot of answers

25:56 Speaker 3: you're going to get. So I'm like in this, in

25:59 Speaker 3: this Patreon to push, thinking like, oh my god, my

26:03 Speaker 3: country needs me. My country needs this.

26:06 Speaker 2: Right.

26:06 Speaker 3: And I also thought, and it's like and if the

26:10 Speaker 3: and and never mind, I was comparing it to Russia

26:12 Speaker 3: stuff and Russia's new physical principles on e MP weapons systems,

26:17 Speaker 3: and and I'm like, if we don't have this, somebody

26:21 Speaker 3: needs to somebody needs to see this. This also matches

26:27 Speaker 3: these Russian patents and things that Putin's saying, you know,

26:31 Speaker 3: and all and all the.

26:32 Speaker 2: Rest of it.

26:33 Speaker 1: It could could even be you know, even UFO related,

26:36 Speaker 1: but national security.

26:38 Speaker 3: Right, I'm like, at the at the at least right right. So,

26:44 Speaker 3: and and again I didn't even get so much as

26:48 Speaker 3: a thank you very much. I mean, whether it's Congress

26:52 Speaker 3: or nap or no much as thank you for the materials.

26:56 Speaker 3: You said, We'll have our experts take a look at

26:59 Speaker 3: him if we need anything.

27:00 Speaker 2: Well, we'll reach out to you.

27:03 Speaker 4: That probably would have satisfied me, because you're like, okay.

27:09 Speaker 3: Okay, out of my hands. They seem to be in

27:13 Speaker 3: the hands of somebody who might know what to do

27:14 Speaker 3: with them, right.

27:15 Speaker 1: But just are you getting a lot of crickets?

27:18 Speaker 2: I didn't not.

27:19 Speaker 3: The only response I ever got was from Nick Pope

27:23 Speaker 3: right by the way and right wishing him the.

27:26 Speaker 1: Best, wishing him the best.

27:27 Speaker 3: He just he is the only one who replied back.

27:30 Speaker 3: And he was like, it looks very interesting. I wish

27:34 Speaker 3: I knew somebody who could help you, right, because I

27:37 Speaker 3: figured maybe he knows a Russian speaking physicist or you

27:40 Speaker 3: you know, he said, but and he just referred me

27:42 Speaker 3: to mof On.

27:43 Speaker 2: Now maybe it's his canned response for everything.

27:46 Speaker 3: But at least at least it was at least it

27:50 Speaker 3: was okay, move on, what's that?

27:51 Speaker 2: And then that then I literally I learned about what

27:53 Speaker 2: Mofon was.

27:54 Speaker 3: I had no idea about any of this, right, So yeah,

27:59 Speaker 3: so now I've sent them off.

28:02 Speaker 2: So I had that.

28:02 Speaker 3: One interaction with George, send them off, don't get anything back.

28:06 Speaker 3: I'd reached out to Robert Hastings, the author Ufoukes UFOs

28:11 Speaker 3: and nukes former Air Force nuke security guy kissmet within

28:16 Speaker 3: a couple of weeks. He wrote back and was like,

28:18 Speaker 3: very interesting, way over my head, I've sent him to

28:21 Speaker 3: David Grush.

28:23 Speaker 2: So I'm like, oh great, who's this David Grush guy? Again?

28:28 Speaker 2: I don't fucking know anybody.

28:30 Speaker 1: And then you're like, oh shit.

28:32 Speaker 3: So then you know, I was like, oh, you know,

28:34 Speaker 3: if you could pass on my name number again, I

28:37 Speaker 3: would appreciate twenty minute conversation.

28:39 Speaker 2: I can kind of let him.

28:40 Speaker 3: Know what what's the law I've gathered from them, and

28:45 Speaker 3: you know, and that's it.

28:47 Speaker 2: Nothing. Nothing. Now.

28:51 Speaker 3: In the meantime, I meet like yourself, Thomas Wessler and

28:54 Speaker 3: my disclosure disclosure tonight they owes me.

28:57 Speaker 2: Tim Ventura had me on APEC right.

29:00 Speaker 3: You know, I was like, I went into this APEC

29:02 Speaker 3: conference and I'm like, I am not smart enough to

29:05 Speaker 3: be here, nor do I know, but it was an

29:07 Speaker 3: opportunity to kind of put it out in front of

29:10 Speaker 3: a lot of people. You know, jaredy Eights and I

29:12 Speaker 3: had a conversation. Jared's like, recognize a lot of this stuff.

29:15 Speaker 3: This was yet, this was big stuff in the Soviet Union,

29:19 Speaker 3: you know, in the eighties and things great, and you know,

29:22 Speaker 3: there were things in it that they found interesting and

29:26 Speaker 3: we're going to be looking closer at so you know,

29:30 Speaker 3: what I was getting was like, okay, so obviously there's

29:34 Speaker 3: these government connections.

29:36 Speaker 2: There's the people in advanced propulsion who seemed to be

29:38 Speaker 2: finding something interesting in them, right, and it's just you know,

29:47 Speaker 2: and it just continued from there. But everybody I spoke

29:51 Speaker 2: with kept saying the same thing.

29:55 Speaker 1: Did you run this by Joe?

29:57 Speaker 2: See this George? Now?

29:59 Speaker 3: You know George Nap, you guys send this to Jeordan.

30:03 Speaker 3: So I'm like, well, I'm trying.

30:07 Speaker 1: It's just this circle of not.

30:10 Speaker 3: So then I'm then I am reading watching videos. Now

30:20 Speaker 3: I'm doing my homework on this Nap and Florabelle character.

30:24 Speaker 3: All right, what's this all about?

30:27 Speaker 1: The reason I wanted to do this is because I

30:29 Speaker 1: wanted to get an outside someone with a background like yours.

30:38 Speaker 1: Tell me what your opinion, an assessment and intelligence looking

30:46 Speaker 1: at the UFO community. I want to you're talking about

30:50 Speaker 1: the hierarchy essentially, the structure. Yeah, tell me what you found.

30:56 Speaker 3: So obviously I heard a lot of things, you know,

31:01 Speaker 3: the word control, disclosure and disclosure, you know, being thrown

31:06 Speaker 3: around control disclosure is a term of art in counterintelligence

31:13 Speaker 3: and in the intelligence community.

31:15 Speaker 1: It's a controlled disclosure of whatever.

31:18 Speaker 2: It is a term of art.

31:19 Speaker 1: It is art Epsteine files. You could argue that the control.

31:23 Speaker 3: Disclosure, right, the tobacco big tobacco industry was a controlled.

31:30 Speaker 1: Disclosure minimize risk, maximize.

31:34 Speaker 3: And then and then that feeds into what's called transition

31:37 Speaker 3: by design, which.

31:39 Speaker 1: Is acclimates the popularity.

31:41 Speaker 3: Social essentially social engineering. Right, so you get to the

31:45 Speaker 3: point that you know, you can't know smoking within twenty

31:48 Speaker 3: five feet of build. Cancer research is a in a sense,

31:54 Speaker 3: a controlled disclosure environment. It is a narrative control, right.

32:01 Speaker 3: I mean, let's go down this with Sidebuyer for an example,

32:07 Speaker 3: when do you think the first case of cancer was discovered? Like,

32:14 Speaker 3: when do you think cancer became a medical issue in

32:18 Speaker 3: your perception?

32:22 Speaker 1: Nineteen twenty eight There I remote viewed it.

32:30 Speaker 3: I don't know, all right, but it makes sense, right,

32:33 Speaker 3: I mean, you'd think it's a twentieth century problem. Here

32:38 Speaker 3: were cancers identified three thousand years ago in humans.

32:43 Speaker 2: Really the first major study was done in the early

32:50 Speaker 2: twentieth century in the UK. And what it was with

32:56 Speaker 2: a particular type of cancer a testicular cancer that was

33:01 Speaker 2: found in chimney sweeps, and that.

33:06 Speaker 1: Became our synergen.

33:09 Speaker 2: That began more and.

33:10 Speaker 3: More research about environmental factors that lead to cancer. It

33:18 Speaker 3: wasn't politicized until the nineteen sixties, damn, when the American

33:26 Speaker 3: Cancer American Cancer Institute was founded. Then it became politicized

33:35 Speaker 3: and it became a business. Cancer research and funding and

33:41 Speaker 3: fundraising became a.

33:44 Speaker 1: Business nonprofits, right, the misuse of funds. The I mean,

33:50 Speaker 1: we could go down a whole rabbit hole.

33:53 Speaker 3: Now from that first identified cancer three thousand years ago

33:59 Speaker 3: to today, how much of it do you think we've cured?

34:04 Speaker 1: Talking about public basics, No, I'm talking about like what

34:10 Speaker 1: I think the government really has all cancers publicly. I

34:16 Speaker 1: bet they say that we've maybe cured up of cancers

34:24 Speaker 1: five five five percent, doesn't they say? Publicly?

34:28 Speaker 3: So yeah, okay, so there's been do you know what

34:33 Speaker 3: the five are? But it's the framing that matters, right,

34:40 Speaker 3: because there's only been this five percent change. But we

34:47 Speaker 3: spent like nine hundred and sixty billion a year.

34:52 Speaker 2: On the problem.

34:54 Speaker 3: The problem that's existed for three thousand years. So the

34:58 Speaker 3: the just the statistical difference between cancer related deaths and

35:08 Speaker 3: the natural increased life longevity is so minute you actually

35:15 Speaker 3: can't say that anything that they cured reduced any deaths

35:20 Speaker 3: and impure statistical probability, so all of you know, but

35:28 Speaker 3: that is a form of narrative control. Absolutely, the government

35:33 Speaker 3: and private sector and institutions use, you know, to cause perceptions.

35:42 Speaker 3: So the same thing now and then I worked in

35:44 Speaker 3: the oil and gas industry. A ton of rabbit holes

35:47 Speaker 3: we can go down there. So this is no different

35:51 Speaker 3: from any of the other ones. This is another issue

35:55 Speaker 3: where narrative control. So I began breaking down that saying, okay, well,

36:01 Speaker 3: now let me understand the players and break down the

36:04 Speaker 3: structures because again you're getting information that's coming from you

36:08 Speaker 3: in all directions.

36:09 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's almost an overlak.

36:11 Speaker 3: Now you have to decipher and discern what actually is

36:15 Speaker 3: being said, right.

36:18 Speaker 2: I did this with Eric Davis. Eric Davis came right out.

36:20 Speaker 2: He said, if you if.

36:22 Speaker 3: You go through all of my interviews, all the answers

36:26 Speaker 3: are there, it spells out exactly what everything is.

36:30 Speaker 2: So I did it.

36:31 Speaker 1: So you watched every interview.

36:32 Speaker 2: So I went through.

36:33 Speaker 3: I scoured and scrubbed and scraped for every interview, every

36:38 Speaker 3: phrase to start piecing things together. I essentially, you know,

36:43 Speaker 3: started doing the same thing around narrative control. So who

36:48 Speaker 3: you know, who is exer what does narrative control look

36:51 Speaker 3: like in this space, and who is exercising it?

36:55 Speaker 1: No, and again with the results shocking, Well.

37:00 Speaker 3: I mean again, they weren't shocking to me in the

37:02 Speaker 3: sense that I had no vested interest in this or

37:07 Speaker 3: I had no predisposition for anything. But when I looked

37:13 Speaker 3: at it, I was like, Okay, this nap in Corbel

37:17 Speaker 3: are the media? Are the disclosure pipeline? And even in

37:24 Speaker 3: the press conference I do with Jim Arek, there's a

37:27 Speaker 3: part where I'm talking about there is a disclosure pipeline,

37:30 Speaker 3: and I break down what that pipeline is. Jim said

37:33 Speaker 3: to me afterwards, He's like, he didn't agree with that

37:36 Speaker 3: at all, and he might have even said it during

37:40 Speaker 3: the press conference, but after I laid it all out,

37:43 Speaker 3: he's like, oh my god, you're right, there is a

37:45 Speaker 3: disclosure pipeline.

37:47 Speaker 2: Yeah.

37:48 Speaker 1: I mean, so we tried to get a guy like

37:51 Speaker 1: Bob Zalis to testify, right, I was talking to the

37:55 Speaker 1: same people that Corbell was talking to, So why weren't

38:02 Speaker 1: we out of all the chairs right.

38:05 Speaker 3: Why didn't bobs alas of a chair guy because his

38:09 Speaker 3: testimony is problematic.

38:10 Speaker 1: Yeah, of course.

38:12 Speaker 3: It's problematic to the narrative that they're trying to control, right,

38:18 Speaker 3: because you look at look at the pattern of whistleblowers

38:22 Speaker 3: and information that comes out right and where it comes

38:25 Speaker 3: out through. Now when you take and essentially nothing can

38:30 Speaker 3: be verified, it's it's unfalsifiable. Yeah, right, Jerry, Again, Corbel's

38:37 Speaker 3: twenty twenty seven prediction is unfalsifiable, no matter what he's

38:43 Speaker 3: able to pivot and say to say, see, this is

38:47 Speaker 3: exactly what I'm saying, right, It's what they do with everything.

38:50 Speaker 3: The lack of the lack of evidence is therefore evidence

38:55 Speaker 3: of you know, a conspiracy. It's like everything else. You know,

39:00 Speaker 3: prove to me you're not gay. I can't prove a negative. Yeah,

39:06 Speaker 3: I can't prove prove.

39:07 Speaker 2: To me you're you know, proved to me you're not

39:09 Speaker 2: an alien?

39:10 Speaker 1: Yeah, can't do that.

39:14 Speaker 3: But this is what this entire system is based on,

39:17 Speaker 3: and everybody eats.

39:18 Speaker 2: It right out.

39:19 Speaker 1: Yeah.

39:21 Speaker 2: Right, it's the nature of the beast, that is what

39:23 Speaker 2: it is.

39:23 Speaker 4: That's fine, This raises the solace you want to finish

39:28 Speaker 4: on solace you want me to.

39:30 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, finish Yeah.

39:32 Speaker 3: So Solace becomes problematic because because it is dealing with

39:37 Speaker 3: nukes and nuclear security, there are there's NATO and ally

39:42 Speaker 3: countries that then have for which we are responsible for

39:46 Speaker 3: the nuclear arsenal right, who they then have a duty

39:51 Speaker 3: of care obligation to follow up on what's been identified

39:56 Speaker 3: as a potential vulnerability that existed.

39:59 Speaker 2: In the US nuclear program. So they're all going to

40:03 Speaker 2: have to answer.

40:04 Speaker 3: The Pentagon has to answer for that. So the Pentagon

40:09 Speaker 3: only has two choices to say, well, we never looked

40:14 Speaker 3: at that, and expose a potential risk that.

40:20 Speaker 2: They never looked.

40:21 Speaker 1: At, which it was arguably worse, which.

40:24 Speaker 3: Is arguably worse than saying yes, we looked into it

40:28 Speaker 3: and we took measures to correct it. Well, how did

40:33 Speaker 3: you know what measures to correct What data do you

40:38 Speaker 3: have that led to? They can't have that conversation because

40:44 Speaker 3: they're not really looking for answers they know because this

40:50 Speaker 3: is a controlled disclosure process. So they can't have Bob

40:55 Speaker 3: Solace interjected. They can't have gene Sticcko and is file

41:00 Speaker 3: other and laws papers interject into the narrative because it

41:05 Speaker 3: causes so many more questions about the things they were

41:11 Speaker 3: already releasing that it begins, they can no longer control it.

41:19 Speaker 3: Then it spirals out of control. Absolutely, and that's the

41:25 Speaker 3: you know.

41:28 Speaker 1: Because they're trying to avoid what these I believe you

41:32 Speaker 1: know the story, but how put off the talks about

41:34 Speaker 1: these think tanks that deemed that disclosure would cause some

41:41 Speaker 1: sort of societal impact, collapse, whatever, And ultimately the cons

41:47 Speaker 1: outweighed the pros and it was tabled at least during

41:51 Speaker 1: the Bush Right. That's probably shifted a bit. I think

41:55 Speaker 1: those same groups think tanks if they're still being deployed,

41:58 Speaker 1: which I think maybe Try would be someone to do that.

42:01 Speaker 1: I think, you know his recent the recent thing that's

42:04 Speaker 1: gone on where he said that he's willing to declassify files.

42:08 Speaker 1: You know, is it a distraction from the Epstein stuff?

42:11 Speaker 1: You know, probably, but most of us can handle two

42:16 Speaker 1: things at once. Anyway, I get to a point where

42:21 Speaker 1: Congress and anyone who Congress, and it's okay to have

42:28 Speaker 1: NAP testify, but you can't have a guy like Salas

42:31 Speaker 1: testified because NAP is again a part of this structure.

42:38 Speaker 2: And NAP didn't bring any evidence.

42:40 Speaker 1: There was nothing new that was brought to anything.

42:42 Speaker 3: So here's the fascinating thing about that. September twenty twenty five,

42:46 Speaker 3: hearing right. I published a book in December twenty twenty four.

42:51 Speaker 3: I'd been again, I know. I sent hard copies to

42:54 Speaker 3: Nancy Mace and I think Birch had, if not Burleson.

42:58 Speaker 3: I sent one to the White House. I sent, you know,

43:01 Speaker 3: with a cover letter and explaining this, I think this

43:04 Speaker 3: is of relevance and importance and blah blah blah. Nothing

43:09 Speaker 3: top of emails and the rest of it. So June

43:13 Speaker 3: twenty twenty five, I have the comp press conference. Have

43:17 Speaker 3: the first interactions with NAP reach out today. So Hastings

43:21 Speaker 3: by mid July has confirmed he put them in the

43:25 Speaker 3: hands of David Grush. Grush said they were interesting, he

43:28 Speaker 3: hadn't seen them, you know. And I made that outreach

43:34 Speaker 3: got nothing back from that. Then I called out NAP

43:38 Speaker 3: on some form or whatever, and I got an email

43:43 Speaker 3: from his from an assistant offering to saying, oh, JEORGI

43:48 Speaker 3: will talk to you on Coast to coast ten thirty

43:52 Speaker 3: pm Pacific, one thirty am Eastern, and I replied back,

43:57 Speaker 3: thank you very much. I'm not that into this that

44:00 Speaker 3: I will that I need to be up at one

44:02 Speaker 3: thirty in the morning. All I was really looking for

44:05 Speaker 3: was like a twenty minute conversation. I'm happy to pre

44:08 Speaker 3: record something.

44:10 Speaker 1: He wanted you to call in to Coast to Coast.

44:12 Speaker 2: He listen. He didn't want he wanted to.

44:15 Speaker 1: He was just setting up.

44:16 Speaker 3: He wanted me to do exactly what I did. I'm chasing,

44:22 Speaker 3: I'm asking these things. I'm calling him out. He says, great,

44:25 Speaker 3: give him. I'll bring him on Coast to Coast. It's

44:28 Speaker 3: one thirty in the morning.

44:29 Speaker 2: For the guy.

44:30 Speaker 3: If he really wants to talk about it, he can

44:32 Speaker 3: talk to me at one thirty in the morning about it, right,

44:36 Speaker 3: So then he can say, well, I offered the guy

44:38 Speaker 3: a slot on Coast to Coast. But even that was

44:41 Speaker 3: weird because you venture, everybody I ever talked to, we

44:45 Speaker 3: always had a pre conversation. Now on of the blue,

44:51 Speaker 3: you're willing to put me on live radio, on a nationwide.

44:56 Speaker 1: Show, nationally syndicated.

44:58 Speaker 3: Nationally syndicated show, without pre vetting anything.

45:05 Speaker 1: That I have.

45:07 Speaker 3: So again, Intel Gene background, it's a setup for something.

45:12 Speaker 3: It's you know, it's not it's not done to help

45:16 Speaker 3: me or give me some kind of answer. I guess

45:20 Speaker 3: is the basic thing.

45:22 Speaker 1: It's you know, well, and it's essentially bringing you into uh,

45:28 Speaker 1: you know, fill a slot of time during his radio show,

45:32 Speaker 1: during him hosting a radio show. It's essentially like, if

45:36 Speaker 1: he does want to come on and talk about it,

45:37 Speaker 1: I'm already hosting this thing. You know, people call in

45:41 Speaker 1: how it's done. Just have him do it like that,

45:44 Speaker 1: and you know, I can say I talked to him.

45:46 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly, it's not that's not it's not substantive.

45:50 Speaker 3: Yeah again, you know, and and again not that I

45:53 Speaker 3: was looking to spend hours and hours and take the

45:55 Speaker 3: guy's time. But you know, I think a twenty minute conversation.

46:00 Speaker 3: Dared Olan gave me twenty minutes which turned.

46:02 Speaker 2: Into an hour.

46:03 Speaker 1: Alisando's giving you plenty of.

46:05 Speaker 2: Time, plenty you know.

46:08 Speaker 3: So again I found and I said, I'm happy to reschedule,

46:12 Speaker 3: happy to pre record, but again, just a brief conversation

46:16 Speaker 3: would be very helpful. Nothing, no reply. So it was

46:20 Speaker 3: a it was a check the box exercise. So now

46:23 Speaker 3: we're into July twenty twenty five, and now I'm now

46:27 Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm going to start pushing some buttons. Now

46:29 Speaker 3: I'm going to start trying to figure out this narrative

46:34 Speaker 3: control framework. And I'm starting to see pings on my

46:38 Speaker 3: website and media because again you know, little known fact

46:45 Speaker 3: Natt is a as a master's in computer engineering, you know,

46:50 Speaker 3: and she's Russian, so we know how to look at things,

46:56 Speaker 3: let's say, right, so we could see hits coming from

47:02 Speaker 3: what I call Intel community adjacent locations in the US,

47:09 Speaker 3: from numbers from areas that were adjacent to certain facilities,

47:15 Speaker 3: and locations that were disproportionate to the total population of

47:22 Speaker 3: that area. Things not always routed through you know, VPNs

47:27 Speaker 3: and or behind the VPNs. Even you know, I was

47:31 Speaker 3: able to see. So I'm like, all right, there are

47:34 Speaker 3: people definitely watching this. Now I want to see how

47:37 Speaker 3: close they're watching it. And so I did a couple

47:40 Speaker 3: of things on social media because I wanted to test

47:43 Speaker 3: the amplifiers and dampeners. Right if you say X or Y,

47:50 Speaker 3: who responds and how and boom started exactly what I expected.

47:57 Speaker 3: And some people call them bought accounts and whatnot? Again,

48:00 Speaker 3: are these are intelligence run accounts that are both will

48:06 Speaker 3: both support you in order to lure you in and

48:10 Speaker 3: other ones that are just there to push to try

48:14 Speaker 3: and either engage you to get you to do something

48:16 Speaker 3: stupid or at least create discontent, and all the rest

48:20 Speaker 3: of it, and the accounts all have fundamentally the same

48:24 Speaker 3: kind of footprint in background. So it was hilarious when

48:29 Speaker 3: it started happening right right, and I intentionally did and

48:33 Speaker 3: then I took everything down. I actually I shut down

48:36 Speaker 3: the website. I shut everything down on a Thursday, got right, deleted,

48:44 Speaker 3: deactivated the social media accounts, took the website offline.

48:49 Speaker 2: On Thursday. Saturday, the FBI showed up at my door.

48:55 Speaker 3: Right, So that's exactly what I thought would happened, because

49:01 Speaker 3: I'm like, they're watching this, They're trying to see what's

49:05 Speaker 3: going on. And then they showed and I was sitting

49:09 Speaker 3: there and the car pulled up, and my Layla was outside.

49:12 Speaker 3: He was doing the trimming the hedges and things, and

49:15 Speaker 3: he had been following some of what I was doing

49:17 Speaker 3: on Facebook, and so I was telling him and the

49:20 Speaker 3: SUV pulled up. I said, see that suv. Those two guys,

49:22 Speaker 3: I said, they're FEDS. They started laughing and then they

49:26 Speaker 3: got out there telling you. I'm telling you wait. And

49:30 Speaker 3: two minutes later they got out and they came walking.

49:32 Speaker 3: I'm sitting I'm having my smoke and they're like, hi, Eugene.

49:36 Speaker 3: I'm like I am Hi. We're aging so and so

49:39 Speaker 3: with you and my Laylor looked at me and he's

49:41 Speaker 3: like holy shit. And then you know he was like,

49:44 Speaker 3: you know, then trimming the bush? You know, I won't.

49:47 Speaker 2: I wandered up with bushes.

49:48 Speaker 1: But he's not actually turning it on, right.

49:50 Speaker 2: I wound up with something like this at the end

49:52 Speaker 2: because I.

49:53 Speaker 1: Just wait, so the FBI shows up, What is that like?

49:59 Speaker 1: Like you just like you motherfuckers?

50:01 Speaker 2: No?

50:02 Speaker 3: Because again I was expecting it to a degree, right,

50:07 Speaker 3: It's what I wanted to test. Can I get a visit?

50:11 Speaker 3: And I got the visit?

50:13 Speaker 1: Interesting?

50:14 Speaker 2: Right?

50:15 Speaker 1: And you know, do you think they thought they thought

50:18 Speaker 1: you were maybe some sort of Soviet I don't.

50:22 Speaker 2: I think I don't know.

50:25 Speaker 3: You know, again my experience, they wouldn't have sort of

50:28 Speaker 3: tried to categorize.

50:29 Speaker 2: It's see what.

50:30 Speaker 3: This see what's right, get a get a read on

50:36 Speaker 3: this guy. What's this guy's mental state?

50:39 Speaker 2: Is he you know, right? Is he there with a

50:40 Speaker 2: tinfoil on his.

50:41 Speaker 3: Head or you know whatever, It's just go go have

50:45 Speaker 3: a conversation and and let us say report about what you.

50:50 Speaker 1: Think it's an initial like response.

50:53 Speaker 3: So you know, I had previously been in a group

50:56 Speaker 3: that was a private public sector Yeah, a government public

51:01 Speaker 3: private sector joint information thing in the energy sector, and

51:07 Speaker 3: that's sort of the precursor they used to you know,

51:09 Speaker 3: start the conversation, which I had been involved in that

51:12 Speaker 3: fifteen years, you know, all right, whatever, and then also,

51:16 Speaker 3: what are you up to now? I said, well, that's

51:17 Speaker 3: what I thought you guys were here about, and went

51:20 Speaker 3: into the you know, the whole deal, and I said,

51:23 Speaker 3: in matter of fact, I was running all sorts of

51:24 Speaker 3: tests this week to see because I noticed all the

51:28 Speaker 3: you know, intellidjacent things. And then the second the guy

51:31 Speaker 3: was supposed to be the bad cop, you know, it

51:33 Speaker 3: was like, well, what's your background that ill you know,

51:36 Speaker 3: went through my background with him, and then by the

51:38 Speaker 3: end of the Enemy is business card, he was all like,

51:40 Speaker 3: oh okay, you know, and my landlord, he's like, oh

51:44 Speaker 3: my god, you handled that so well how, you know.

51:47 Speaker 3: He was like, He's like, I don't know what I

51:48 Speaker 3: would have done. I was like, this was my life, right,

51:52 Speaker 3: and that's what that's what I got, or that's what

51:56 Speaker 3: what have I realized coming into this space as I

52:01 Speaker 3: did into the UAP world, right, because you all get

52:05 Speaker 3: your you know, your David Grushes and your Alazander's, and

52:08 Speaker 3: you you get them in a certain way, in a framework,

52:12 Speaker 3: delivered to.

52:13 Speaker 1: Your packaged nicely, and you will.

52:16 Speaker 3: And so you have this these this mystique about all

52:22 Speaker 3: of this stuff and government agents showing up at your

52:26 Speaker 3: door and dah da da da da, this is it, right, right.

52:30 Speaker 2: And so if that's what they were trying with me, again,

52:36 Speaker 2: they didn't do that. This was my life. This was

52:40 Speaker 2: my life through the time I retired, every three letter

52:46 Speaker 2: agency in the US around the world.

52:51 Speaker 3: I dealt with people in the intelligence and national investigative

52:56 Speaker 3: and national police forces and the embassies and the Fate Department.

53:03 Speaker 3: And this was my fucking world, right.

53:07 Speaker 2: And it's like and.

53:08 Speaker 3: I I ran in a circle that your David Grush

53:15 Speaker 3: has never had fucking visibility of.

53:18 Speaker 1: It's the and never had You're talking about operations versus management.

53:24 Speaker 3: Not only operations, but but the political side, the politics,

53:30 Speaker 3: the geopolitics of of you know, international trade and and

53:38 Speaker 3: all the rest of it. And you know, so that's

53:40 Speaker 3: when I said, I was like, well, now I'm just

53:42 Speaker 3: gonna fucking call all this out. Now, I'm gonna spell

53:46 Speaker 3: out for everybody exactly what's going on with all of this. Yeah,

53:51 Speaker 3: right now, It's not an easy message to deliver because

53:54 Speaker 3: people are not people are events. They know, they know

54:00 Speaker 3: the deal, they know how all this operates, and they've

54:04 Speaker 3: got the insights. And again they're not totally wrong.

54:09 Speaker 1: Just they're missing crucial to.

54:10 Speaker 2: Missing crucial details.

54:13 Speaker 3: And you know, and again and even for the people

54:16 Speaker 3: online that want to oopooh on things that I do,

54:20 Speaker 3: you know, in the announce So what the hell's Joe

54:23 Speaker 3: merging today? He had some shitty comment to make about

54:28 Speaker 3: what I the article I wrote, the Weaponized Curiosity article

54:33 Speaker 3: and all the rest of it. And I'll be honest

54:36 Speaker 3: with you, and you can use this advertising to me.

54:41 Speaker 3: He comes across like a fucking moron because I understand

54:47 Speaker 3: the psychology behind what he's trying to do, right, And

54:52 Speaker 3: what he actually presents is a taxomogry of his preference

54:58 Speaker 3: of one word over another other. Never actually attacks or

55:04 Speaker 3: has an argument to make against the fundamental structure that

55:08 Speaker 3: I'm presenting.

55:09 Speaker 1: The character part.

55:11 Speaker 3: It's but and it's not even a personal character attack.

55:15 Speaker 3: It's aesthetics. You said this, and then you said that,

55:18 Speaker 3: and he's arguably or you didn't leave out of you know, oh,

55:23 Speaker 3: you said Nat built his entire career on this, and

55:26 Speaker 3: that's not okay.

55:27 Speaker 2: I should have said he built his entire UAP career. Yeah,

55:34 Speaker 2: you're fucking it's you.

55:36 Speaker 1: You're you're, you're you're battling over dimes and dimes.

55:40 Speaker 3: Well, the dollars are flown, right, you're picking up nickels

55:43 Speaker 3: and dimes, while the dollars.

55:44 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're missing that the larger portion here and what

55:48 Speaker 1: that is is And it's kind of weird because and

55:51 Speaker 1: you know, I'm playing the neutral standpalp point because that's

55:56 Speaker 1: you know, where I live, and you know, it's it's

55:59 Speaker 1: hard to see this that like who who are the

56:03 Speaker 1: recurring guests on weaponized like for their panels?

56:07 Speaker 2: Joe rightly, So Joe.

56:12 Speaker 1: He's the well, he's the gate if you are, if

56:16 Speaker 1: you argue, we're talking hierarchy, right and weaponized curiosity, right,

56:20 Speaker 1: which is their motto to weaponize their curiosity in ours

56:23 Speaker 1: as well. So if we do weaponize that, it's not

56:26 Speaker 1: hard to say that. You know, Like I walked onto

56:28 Speaker 1: the congressional floor the only person that was there before me.

56:31 Speaker 1: Can you guess who it was. And there's the optics

56:39 Speaker 1: of it. I've seen it as well, and I think

56:42 Speaker 1: I want and listen again, I'm not saying anything bad,

56:46 Speaker 1: like that's the game, like you said, but just admit.

56:50 Speaker 2: It exactly exactly.

56:53 Speaker 3: That is my whole thing, right and and again nothing

56:57 Speaker 3: I haven't said before. I have no doubt in my

56:59 Speaker 3: mind Corbel Nap myself, I have zero down in my mind.

57:06 Speaker 3: We could sit down at a table and the most

57:11 Speaker 3: fantastic night and fantastic conversation. And I have no doubt

57:17 Speaker 3: that Germany Corbel is probably the amongst the sweetest, most

57:24 Speaker 3: you know, wonderful human beings that walks the planet Earth.

57:30 Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, but he's acting a role.

57:37 Speaker 3: That's he's in a role. And it's like people don't

57:42 Speaker 3: see this is his acting gig, this is the this

57:46 Speaker 3: is the role that he wanted to.

57:50 Speaker 2: He always aspired to.

57:52 Speaker 1: That clip clip there's the clip right right of him

57:56 Speaker 1: during that or is it a two B revolution show

57:59 Speaker 1: where he goes the lie that you the hundred percent

58:05 Speaker 1: fucking lie, yes, that you're gonna be told is a

58:09 Speaker 1: craft is on its toiter And it's like, you're right,

58:13 Speaker 1: it's almost performative.

58:15 Speaker 3: It's all performative. The entire look is performative. If you

58:20 Speaker 3: look at the video, you know video, there was a

58:22 Speaker 3: video he was, you know, when he was a fashion photographer,

58:25 Speaker 3: and he's playing the role of being the fashion photographer

58:30 Speaker 3: when he's when he's doing it in this capacity, he

58:33 Speaker 3: took on the the veteran government guy avatar, so he

58:38 Speaker 3: had you know, he had the T shirts on for

58:40 Speaker 3: a while until I talked about it a little too

58:43 Speaker 3: much and then he doesn't wear the T shirts anymore,

58:46 Speaker 3: military T shirts. But you know, the beard, the look,

58:50 Speaker 3: he could be any veteran owned coffee company, you know,

58:56 Speaker 3: this startup thing, right and he and he talks talk,

59:00 Speaker 3: and he's a handsome guy.

59:01 Speaker 2: He's got those he's he's a beautiful man all around

59:05 Speaker 2: right now exactly.

59:08 Speaker 1: So he's a beautiful man.

59:09 Speaker 2: He's a beautiful man. And I have no doubt he's

59:11 Speaker 2: a beautiful And it just again.

59:16 Speaker 3: For a community that prides itself on allegedly its ability

59:21 Speaker 3: to be insightful, that they don't see its entertainment, it

59:27 Speaker 3: is disclosure theme he is actually, I mean, and and

59:32 Speaker 3: what's even more trouble is, I don't think the politicians

59:35 Speaker 3: recognize it either. That's sort of what gets me concerned

59:40 Speaker 3: because he is he is they're generating disclosure themed content

59:47 Speaker 3: and he is cost playing this you know, avatar of

59:54 Speaker 3: of some kind of operative and it's you know, and again,

1:00:00 Speaker 3: now it might be all part of the script that

1:00:04 Speaker 3: he's feeding stuff to Congress, but maybe they maybe that's

1:00:08 Speaker 3: not happening, and that's just how the storyline goes.

1:00:11 Speaker 2: I hope. But if not, you know, then whoever is

1:00:20 Speaker 2: the orchestration of this narrative control is super successful because

1:00:27 Speaker 2: it's actually been able to influence the body politica.

1:00:32 Speaker 1: It's got its way in you know, yeah.

1:00:37 Speaker 3: You know, and and and so then so for the

1:00:39 Speaker 3: peace and everything, you know, and what I wrote again,

1:00:42 Speaker 3: it's the it's the structure that I'm really being critical of. Right,

1:00:49 Speaker 3: everybody's got to make a living. Everyone has their niche,

1:00:53 Speaker 3: everyone has their thing. But there's that little part of

1:00:56 Speaker 3: me that says, you know, truth and advertising. Right, take

1:01:01 Speaker 3: to a stage and talk about how you're the champion

1:01:04 Speaker 3: of disclosure and transparency, that you want people to come forward,

1:01:10 Speaker 3: that you know, all the things you are encouraging. Don't

1:01:15 Speaker 3: do that if you are not actually willing to take

1:01:21 Speaker 3: the evidence, don't do.

1:01:23 Speaker 2: What's the difference between.

1:01:24 Speaker 3: Me, right, I'm a US Air Force veteran, I'm a

1:01:29 Speaker 3: disabled veteran. I was former intelligence contractor, worked across the

1:01:34 Speaker 3: private sector. Yeah, you know, respectable position.

1:01:39 Speaker 1: Yes, you don't have any What you don't have is

1:01:41 Speaker 1: you don't have a.

1:01:42 Speaker 2: I was a whistleblower. I was a corporate whistle blower. No,

1:01:45 Speaker 2: I know.

1:01:45 Speaker 1: But what you don't have is you don't have a

1:01:48 Speaker 1: flear UFO video.

1:01:50 Speaker 2: What I don't have.

1:01:52 Speaker 3: Is that I was not actively in the government when

1:01:58 Speaker 3: the materials dropped.

1:01:59 Speaker 2: In my laugh, Yep, yep.

1:02:02 Speaker 3: What I don't have is that I didn't come through

1:02:06 Speaker 3: the pre established pipeline.

1:02:10 Speaker 1: Of your stuff happened in the military. So yeah, because

1:02:14 Speaker 1: what deems So if you're in the military and then

1:02:16 Speaker 1: gain interest in the topic after your military career, I

1:02:20 Speaker 1: guess you're less credible than someone who has a sighting.

1:02:25 Speaker 3: I mean, you know, right, you know what's the semantics.

1:02:28 Speaker 3: It's exactly, it's pure semantics. So it's not you know,

1:02:32 Speaker 3: none of the evidence is based on the merit of

1:02:37 Speaker 3: the evidence. It's based upon de side. I mean, look, look,

1:02:43 Speaker 3: how many you know Jeff Niz Telly right. You know,

1:02:48 Speaker 3: you'd think he saw the thing and left the Air

1:02:51 Speaker 3: Force and went to Congress.

1:02:53 Speaker 2: It's like freaking twelve years.

1:02:54 Speaker 3: Yeah, in between that when he you know very much,

1:02:59 Speaker 3: so he saw something on beazy reporting. You know that's

1:03:03 Speaker 3: the thing. Because it happened within that structure, then it's

1:03:07 Speaker 3: able to be controlled and fed through the pipeline.

1:03:11 Speaker 1: Yeah right, it's got guardrails on it, inherently guardrails on it.

1:03:16 Speaker 1: So what what is your ultimate message with this article?

1:03:19 Speaker 1: What are you trying to say to people? What was

1:03:22 Speaker 1: the thesis?

1:03:23 Speaker 3: I mean, the idea is, again, we have to understand

1:03:27 Speaker 3: the structures that are informing us. If we are, you know,

1:03:32 Speaker 3: concerned going forward about the information that is going to

1:03:35 Speaker 3: be coming out whatever it is as a result of

1:03:39 Speaker 3: the president's directive that this control of information has to

1:03:45 Speaker 3: be transparent, we have to understand that there is a

1:03:49 Speaker 3: structure in place. Because in the same way I hear

1:03:52 Speaker 3: people saying, oh, well, yeah, well, you know, Trump comes

1:03:55 Speaker 3: up with disclosure, we get to make sure our people

1:03:57 Speaker 3: are there. We need to make sure our well, well

1:04:00 Speaker 3: who's our people? And some people are like, we need

1:04:02 Speaker 3: to make sure Jeremy Corbell's there.

1:04:04 Speaker 2: We need to make.

1:04:06 Speaker 1: Oh do we that's dangerous.

1:04:10 Speaker 2: Right, do we? That's what I'm saying. It's you know,

1:04:14 Speaker 2: it's the Emperor's new crow close to a great degree. Right.

1:04:18 Speaker 3: We have this, Yeah, we have this this illusion of

1:04:26 Speaker 3: who these people are and what they represent and what

1:04:32 Speaker 3: they're doing, But it's not actually what they're doing and

1:04:36 Speaker 3: what their role is, and they are not actually independent

1:04:40 Speaker 3: of the system which they claim to be investigating. And

1:04:44 Speaker 3: that's what's laid out in this is the history of

1:04:49 Speaker 3: NAP as an investigative journalist not truly investigating the entities

1:04:57 Speaker 3: in which he claims. You know, he's against his work.

1:05:01 Speaker 1: He's usually feeding things to d i A. He's feeding

1:05:05 Speaker 1: things to the US government that he leaks or that

1:05:08 Speaker 1: he that he smuggles from Russia.

1:05:11 Speaker 5: Right, I mean that that whole again, the story reeks

1:05:17 Speaker 5: of of that being a sanctioned intelligence operation.

1:05:24 Speaker 3: Arguably argue, you know, arguing about it. I mean, there's

1:05:30 Speaker 3: there's there's laws. Number one, there's laws.

1:05:34 Speaker 2: That cover that year in the US and overseas.

1:05:38 Speaker 1: Because is that admitted espionage? Is that would that be

1:05:41 Speaker 1: admitted espionage but in our favor, But it's still espionage

1:05:47 Speaker 1: to a degree.

1:05:50 Speaker 2: Correct.

1:05:50 Speaker 3: Okay, and so but if you go through that entire story, right,

1:05:57 Speaker 3: and you again just break it down east by piece

1:06:01 Speaker 3: talks about he was followed in Russia. Yes, they were

1:06:05 Speaker 3: stopped ten times. Yes, he used to set little traps

1:06:09 Speaker 3: in his room right to see if they were.

1:06:12 Speaker 2: In there in their posts, and they were going through

1:06:16 Speaker 2: stuff and.

1:06:17 Speaker 1: They were using I would assume that they're using standard

1:06:20 Speaker 1: detection roots and all the stuff.

1:06:23 Speaker 2: Too, all the stuff he's using, all that stuff.

1:06:26 Speaker 1: You're working with you because you got you actually got

1:06:29 Speaker 1: in touch with the.

1:06:31 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's it. Let's just stick on the story right, right.

1:06:36 Speaker 3: So he's under observation, he's having his room searched, he's

1:06:42 Speaker 3: got thousands of pages of documents. Then he's going to

1:06:47 Speaker 3: go to the airport, and he just removes the top

1:06:50 Speaker 3: sheet and throws that out. So if they've been following you,

1:06:59 Speaker 3: if they've been searching your room when you're not there,

1:07:02 Speaker 3: you threw out the top sheet that said the papers

1:07:05 Speaker 3: were classify the night before you gone on the plane

1:07:09 Speaker 3: to go home.

1:07:10 Speaker 1: Are you believe they would have found that?

1:07:12 Speaker 2: Don't you think they already knew that you had those papers.

1:07:20 Speaker 1: That's a big that's a big hole.

1:07:22 Speaker 3: That's a very big hole. So here comes the other hole.

1:07:26 Speaker 3: Is this again? This was another piece that ties into

1:07:30 Speaker 3: the physicist who facilitated NAP's visit two Russia. And yes,

1:07:37 Speaker 3: Natalia reached out to him and we had a brief

1:07:40 Speaker 3: exchange with him. So this guy was a senior security

1:07:46 Speaker 3: advisor to the Russian dooma of the parliament, really right,

1:07:51 Speaker 3: and he was here in the United States to take

1:07:54 Speaker 3: a tour of nuclear facilities. So he's what he is

1:08:02 Speaker 3: connected through the senator to Now Nap says, oh, I'd

1:08:06 Speaker 3: love to come over there and see what you've got

1:08:09 Speaker 3: about UFOs, and the guy says, yeah, great, I'll help

1:08:11 Speaker 3: you set that up. And according to Nap, he arranges

1:08:14 Speaker 3: for this guy to have a salary in an office

1:08:17 Speaker 3: in Moscow. And then this guy arranges all the meetings

1:08:21 Speaker 3: with all the Russian generals and these key Russian individuals,

1:08:28 Speaker 3: again all under the watchful eye who was stopping them

1:08:33 Speaker 3: ten times, searching his room every day, and this and that. Okay,

1:08:40 Speaker 3: So now now leaves the United States, goes to Russia

1:08:47 Speaker 3: under an invitation that is from a top state security official.

1:08:54 Speaker 3: So you know that, or if you don't know that,

1:08:57 Speaker 3: pings all sorts of stuff at the diplomatic level, because

1:09:03 Speaker 3: you're essentially meeting, you know, your meeting with people within

1:09:07 Speaker 3: the Russian intelligence apparatus that hits the radar, that hits radars. Okay,

1:09:15 Speaker 3: so now everything happens, happens, he comes back, Okay. Then

1:09:26 Speaker 3: the documents, you know, he does a couple of presentations,

1:09:30 Speaker 3: doesn't really show anything, tells some stories. The meat of

1:09:34 Speaker 3: it goes to Bigelow. Big Ogl gets twenty two million dollars.

1:09:38 Speaker 3: The rest is history. But let's go back to Russia

1:09:41 Speaker 3: now in twenty twelve. In twelve, Putin enacted a new

1:09:47 Speaker 3: law that redefined and retroactively became enforceable on what is treason.

1:09:57 Speaker 1: And that's right.

1:09:58 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was particular to a bunch of Russian scientists

1:10:03 Speaker 3: who had been working with that had been working with

1:10:07 Speaker 3: Western universities, conferences, you know, other scientists on many of

1:10:15 Speaker 3: the same scientific domains which reside inside the body of

1:10:20 Speaker 3: my father in law's work. So I'm not saying it

1:10:24 Speaker 3: was specific to UFO stuff, but highly coincidental. Again, many

1:10:29 Speaker 3: of the same scientific domains for my father in law's work.

1:10:34 Speaker 3: These scientists through the nineties and two thousands were working

1:10:39 Speaker 3: with other institutions and other scientists on in twenty twelve.

1:10:46 Speaker 3: Who can't criminalize that. So if you gave a speech

1:10:52 Speaker 3: in nineteen ninety seven or gave a conference presentation in

1:10:56 Speaker 3: nineteen ninety seven on hyperson on a propulsion, you were

1:11:04 Speaker 3: going to jail.

1:11:06 Speaker 2: If you weren't.

1:11:07 Speaker 3: So there were a number of scientists who were seventy

1:11:10 Speaker 3: eighty years old who got thrown in jail. There's one

1:11:15 Speaker 3: in particular who was in palliative.

1:11:21 Speaker 2: There is that what it's called the answer end of

1:11:24 Speaker 2: like the hospice.

1:11:25 Speaker 3: Yeah, they dragged him from a hospice into an to

1:11:31 Speaker 3: put him in jail for collaborating on some research paper

1:11:39 Speaker 3: with some university or whatever. There's a number of others.

1:11:42 Speaker 1: Who just died, right, They were the lucky ones.

1:11:47 Speaker 3: So riddle me this. And it was all for as

1:11:54 Speaker 3: Putin considered. These were state secrets that were being given

1:11:59 Speaker 3: to the West. So riddle me this. I hasn't NAP's

1:12:05 Speaker 3: contact who's still alive, Still a physicist still works in

1:12:09 Speaker 3: the Russian government been charged with espionage under this new

1:12:15 Speaker 3: twenty twelve act because these these scientists just collaborated.

1:12:23 Speaker 1: On hypersonical on science.

1:12:28 Speaker 2: This guy facilitated what was secret classified information put into

1:12:36 Speaker 2: the hands of an American journalist, then put it in

1:12:40 Speaker 2: the hands of the Defense Intelligence Agency, and he's still

1:12:44 Speaker 2: walking around Moscow. So either it was a sanctioned operation

1:12:51 Speaker 2: or this fucking nothing than that brought back that was secret.

1:13:00 Speaker 1: Both they planted disinformation in it. It was all in

1:13:05 Speaker 1: operation against NAP or something. But that that's one happened.

1:13:08 Speaker 2: So, you know, so disinformation comes up.

1:13:10 Speaker 3: You know, people accuse me of that, you know, maybe

1:13:13 Speaker 3: this is Russian inform disinformation to what end?

1:13:17 Speaker 1: Yeah, for yours. I I find that hard to believe

1:13:22 Speaker 1: because the the mirror, all the things that I had

1:13:25 Speaker 1: to go right for for it to end up where

1:13:27 Speaker 1: it was. It just doesn't make sense that that that

1:13:30 Speaker 1: that would be the outcome there there just as this

1:13:34 Speaker 1: could be a reverse So well, they know easy, well sorry,

1:13:38 Speaker 1: they know he's going to give it to the I

1:13:41 Speaker 1: A right, Let's just assume that they're they're smart and

1:13:46 Speaker 1: they're like, okay, NAP, you know, he breaks. Just let's

1:13:49 Speaker 1: say they're they're key on on all this and they

1:13:51 Speaker 1: can draw the parallels to Snap, Harry Reid, Bob Bigelow.

1:13:57 Speaker 1: They know that this is the journal list who is

1:14:02 Speaker 1: into this weird stuff is work, you know, working with

1:14:06 Speaker 1: members of Congress to some degree, and this is a

1:14:08 Speaker 1: good opportunity to feed them some bullshit. See if it

1:14:11 Speaker 1: gets to the United States, and you know what I mean,

1:14:14 Speaker 1: that's counterintelligence, right.

1:14:16 Speaker 3: I mean, you know, to a degree. But then he

1:14:20 Speaker 3: got twenty two million dollars for whatever, or Bigelow got

1:14:23 Speaker 3: twenty two million dollars for whatever was in those papers

1:14:26 Speaker 3: to break down, So obviously what was in them was

1:14:29 Speaker 3: not wrong. Well right, yeah, So so the now what

1:14:35 Speaker 3: what could be a possibility is that there was a

1:14:40 Speaker 3: lot even in the sixties, seventies and eighties, there was

1:14:42 Speaker 3: a lot of joint USSR US cooperation and this could

1:14:49 Speaker 3: have been the method by which some of those efforts

1:14:54 Speaker 3: were then you know, were returned.

1:14:56 Speaker 2: To the US mounted Okay, yeah, made their way.

1:15:00 Speaker 1: So you're saying it's a collaborative effort to some degree,

1:15:03 Speaker 1: it could be, right, Okay, So but again it's one

1:15:07 Speaker 1: or the other.

1:15:08 Speaker 2: It's either a sanctioned cooperative effort.

1:15:11 Speaker 1: Or there's nothing in there that's it.

1:15:13 Speaker 2: Or there's nothing in there that's classical.

1:15:15 Speaker 1: Got it. It's pretty right.

1:15:18 Speaker 3: So there's no scenario where now doesn't know he is

1:15:26 Speaker 3: on a sanctioned operation. Okay, because again you're talking nineteen

1:15:35 Speaker 3: nineties trying now. One of the other things I'm curious

1:15:38 Speaker 3: about because he talks about going back to ninety six

1:15:40 Speaker 3: and nobody wants to talk to him anymore. So what

1:15:43 Speaker 3: might have happened with that was they took the documents,

1:15:48 Speaker 3: you know, likely bought all the documents, said oh, well,

1:15:51 Speaker 3: we're going to have our people work on these, and boy,

1:15:53 Speaker 3: if there's something, we're going to get you a visa

1:15:55 Speaker 3: and bring you over to the US. You know, that

1:15:57 Speaker 3: was probably held over a lot of people's heads. Didn't transpire,

1:16:01 Speaker 3: and when he came back they were like, fuck you,

1:16:03 Speaker 3: you broke your word, you know, whatever it was. Or

1:16:05 Speaker 3: when he came back, he came back, they they did

1:16:08 Speaker 3: it more heavy, heavy handedly and had other you know,

1:16:13 Speaker 3: CIA people you know with them, and just scared everybody off.

1:16:18 Speaker 3: They might have gotten a little you know, over rambunctious,

1:16:21 Speaker 3: as the government will tend to do.

1:16:22 Speaker 2: So, you know. So that's why I say one way

1:16:25 Speaker 2: or another. So it's not.

1:16:28 Speaker 3: Again, it's non investigative journalism. It's not particularly heroism because

1:16:37 Speaker 3: you were never under any threat, right really. You know

1:16:42 Speaker 3: again the late nineties, I was traveling over there and

1:16:48 Speaker 3: you know, you were you were still fall I was

1:16:51 Speaker 3: a business but you know a business person, you know,

1:16:53 Speaker 3: you were still followed and all the rest of it,

1:16:56 Speaker 3: and you know, had bags searched and you know, and

1:17:00 Speaker 3: if you had something in there that you weren't supposed

1:17:03 Speaker 3: to just paid off the.

1:17:06 Speaker 2: You know, customs person. Yeah, you know, well, the.

1:17:10 Speaker 3: Number of times it'd be like you know, you know,

1:17:12 Speaker 3: normally you go into pass support control and they're like,

1:17:15 Speaker 3: your passport please. There were some of these places you'd

1:17:19 Speaker 3: go into and they'd be like, there's a problem with

1:17:21 Speaker 3: your passport.

1:17:23 Speaker 1: So yeah, I didn't pay yet.

1:17:25 Speaker 3: Before before they ever saw it before you they you

1:17:27 Speaker 3: even handed it to.

1:17:30 Speaker 2: There's a problem with your passport, right, the problem that.

1:17:34 Speaker 1: Needs to be accompanied by money.

1:17:35 Speaker 3: The problem was they didn't see the money inserted in

1:17:37 Speaker 3: there as you were handing it to them.

1:17:39 Speaker 2: Got it right, You need to.

1:17:41 Speaker 3: Have it already in there by the time you hand

1:17:43 Speaker 3: it to them.

1:17:46 Speaker 6: Interesting say, yeah, yeah, I forget where we are, so

1:18:54 Speaker 6: you know what I mean.

1:18:55 Speaker 3: So again, it's you know, fundamentally, there's you know, this

1:19:00 Speaker 3: this mythos and everything built you know, built around now

1:19:07 Speaker 3: in corbel as these again champions of disclosure. But you're

1:19:14 Speaker 3: you're not you're you're you're not you're you're you're just

1:19:17 Speaker 3: the outlet. You're you were just the.

1:19:19 Speaker 2: Caroline Leavitt of raw Oh. I mean, if we're being.

1:19:28 Speaker 3: That's it spicy, you're the spokesperson or now it's got

1:19:35 Speaker 3: a nice dramatic flair to it, right, it's entertainment.

1:19:41 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know. So that's what I'm saying.

1:19:43 Speaker 3: If we're sitting here screaming about right, we're screaming, losing

1:19:48 Speaker 3: our heads about transparency and people being honest and the

1:19:53 Speaker 3: government being honest with us, then we should fucking be

1:19:57 Speaker 3: honest with one another. I agree. Then the people who

1:20:02 Speaker 3: we depend on for our news should be honest with

1:20:06 Speaker 3: us about their relationships and their entanglements with these companies,

1:20:13 Speaker 3: about owning shares into the Stars Academy, and you know,

1:20:18 Speaker 3: in co authoring books clip that, co authoring books with

1:20:26 Speaker 3: the company that you know, with representative from the company.

1:20:32 Speaker 2: I mean, that's what I'm saying.

1:20:33 Speaker 3: It's all there, It is all In any other environment,

1:20:38 Speaker 3: it would be you know, a conflict of interest to

1:20:44 Speaker 3: end all conflicts of interest, Yeah, right, you know, and

1:20:50 Speaker 3: and and so that's what I'm saying. So you can't

1:20:53 Speaker 3: sit there and scream about being the champion of disclosure.

1:20:57 Speaker 2: You can't be.

1:20:57 Speaker 3: I'm going to bring stuff forward and then cherry pick

1:21:02 Speaker 3: based upon you know, the narrative we get. Well that

1:21:07 Speaker 3: you can, because that's what happened. They're cherry picking what

1:21:11 Speaker 3: they're looking at because they only look at what comes

1:21:15 Speaker 3: from one direction, right right, They only.

1:21:20 Speaker 2: You know, I mean, and this was put and they'll

1:21:22 Speaker 2: challenge anybody.

1:21:23 Speaker 3: What piece of evidence, what piece of investigative war did

1:21:28 Speaker 3: either of them do that led to what outcome?

1:21:33 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, all I could think of is the

1:21:35 Speaker 1: So if we look at if we go through the timeline, right,

1:21:39 Speaker 1: we start with the real I think the first clip

1:21:45 Speaker 1: that they released, like tandomly that went viral quote unquote

1:21:50 Speaker 1: would be like the Blinking Pyramids, and guys like Mick

1:21:54 Speaker 1: West have made good cases to have debunked it into

1:21:58 Speaker 1: some sort of bocup.

1:21:59 Speaker 3: And and we go through I go through this in

1:22:01 Speaker 3: the article too, because there.

1:22:04 Speaker 1: Are actually really good debunkings for a lot of what

1:22:06 Speaker 1: Jeremy's putting.

1:22:07 Speaker 3: And there has to be for narrative control for an

1:22:10 Speaker 3: effective counterintelligence campaign really and and the skeptics that the

1:22:15 Speaker 3: Bunkers don't necessarily again have to be involved in it.

1:22:20 Speaker 3: But what it does is it creates by engaging with them,

1:22:24 Speaker 3: it begins to it actually strengthens the control over the narrative,

1:22:30 Speaker 3: because then what Corbell is able to do is be like,

1:22:35 Speaker 3: now they've identified the common enemy. Right now there's a

1:22:39 Speaker 3: common enemy, and there is a there is a narrative

1:22:45 Speaker 3: to be sure to avoid. Now let's make sure we

1:22:48 Speaker 3: don't listen to anything from this. You just keep coming

1:22:55 Speaker 3: this way.

1:22:56 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a very that's it, right, I didn't even

1:22:59 Speaker 1: think about that.

1:23:00 Speaker 3: By their being skeptics, this slending credence to anything else, right.

1:23:07 Speaker 1: It's almost like it gives well, oh it's being debated, right,

1:23:11 Speaker 1: that's really all you remember.

1:23:12 Speaker 3: It's a valid subject, which is good for the whole

1:23:15 Speaker 3: disclosure movement, because again, as they're controlling, it's like great,

1:23:20 Speaker 3: their skeptics and there's debate. That means it's that's making

1:23:24 Speaker 3: it more and more legitimate.

1:23:25 Speaker 1: I gotta ask the question because I've always seen Nap

1:23:28 Speaker 1: as a pretty altruistic guy, right, Jeremy altruistic in one way,

1:23:37 Speaker 1: like like like just just like I feel like a

1:23:40 Speaker 1: stand up guy, right, Like I thought this was my

1:23:44 Speaker 1: perception pre prior, prior whatever. I'm a new neutral. Right.

1:23:51 Speaker 1: Let's say say my perception of George is that he's

1:23:55 Speaker 1: a like altruistic like, well, yeah, he's a good per

1:24:00 Speaker 1: said right.

1:24:00 Speaker 3: Okay, So what has he done that's in that signaled

1:24:04 Speaker 3: to you that he is a.

1:24:06 Speaker 2: Good, altruistic, giving person.

1:24:09 Speaker 1: That's I think giving the like being the guy to

1:24:14 Speaker 1: go out on a limb with the UFO topic in

1:24:18 Speaker 1: the eighties, While it could have been seen as like

1:24:21 Speaker 1: a like, uh, get your name out there ploy, he

1:24:25 Speaker 1: was pretty well known for his investigations into his investigations

1:24:29 Speaker 1: into the crime aspects. I wouldn't say he was like

1:24:33 Speaker 1: top tier, but like.

1:24:36 Speaker 2: Known to a degree in Vegas.

1:24:38 Speaker 1: In Vegas, Yeah, but that got the attention of guys

1:24:41 Speaker 1: like Harry Reid, who did who did end up with

1:24:44 Speaker 1: a lot of power the Gang eight, right, who were

1:24:48 Speaker 1: able to strike those deals for that twenty million. But

1:24:56 Speaker 1: it all started with what do you mean all started

1:24:59 Speaker 1: with up?

1:25:02 Speaker 2: Going back, I'll start with Lear.

1:25:05 Speaker 1: Heye, John Leear did start with John Lear And.

1:25:08 Speaker 2: Who did John Leair work for c.

1:25:10 Speaker 1: I A arguably allegedly.

1:25:16 Speaker 2: No, I mean it's I think it's documented.

1:25:18 Speaker 3: And yeah, yeah right, So it wasn't do you think

1:25:24 Speaker 3: was an organic story? No, what I'm saying is it

1:25:29 Speaker 3: wasn't an organic story.

1:25:33 Speaker 2: In the sense of.

1:25:36 Speaker 3: That was having a comra, you know, and that was

1:25:38 Speaker 3: having a coffee in the diner and somebody said, I

1:25:42 Speaker 3: met this really interesting guy and that talks all the

1:25:44 Speaker 3: hue of ocean. And it was a CIA person versua

1:25:51 Speaker 3: a government contracts who.

1:25:54 Speaker 1: Brought tab it brings.

1:25:56 Speaker 3: In bob Blasire to him and said, hey, here's a

1:25:59 Speaker 3: story you should do. Here's a story for you. And

1:26:06 Speaker 3: he reassures him, You're not going to look like an idiot,

1:26:08 Speaker 3: because there's people behind the scenes who want to start

1:26:12 Speaker 3: bringing this out and want to start talking about this.

1:26:16 Speaker 3: We're going to make sure you don't look stupid. Right,

1:26:19 Speaker 3: You're not get awards. In fact, he's never gotten an

1:26:23 Speaker 3: award for anything to do with you AP investigations.

1:26:28 Speaker 1: Are you sure he hasn't gotten any, like.

1:26:31 Speaker 2: I mean, maybe move on game award.

1:26:32 Speaker 1: Conscious Life Okay, yeah, I guess that this community loves

1:26:36 Speaker 1: to get each other award Disclosure Alliance awards, Corbell go.

1:26:43 Speaker 3: On, there, you go just in general terms of you know,

1:26:46 Speaker 3: investigative reporting and things like that. But so you know,

1:26:51 Speaker 3: that's what I'm saying, if there was a path towards

1:26:57 Speaker 3: this controlled disclosure, that was you know you again, we've

1:27:01 Speaker 3: got to go back to the origin and we got

1:27:03 Speaker 3: to ask how much of it is, how much of

1:27:08 Speaker 3: it is is organic? And so it's another thing Napple

1:27:12 Speaker 3: off and says, well, you know, Corbel, right, they do

1:27:15 Speaker 3: the work, right, they're the ones who want they've done

1:27:18 Speaker 3: the work, They've put in the effort.

1:27:20 Speaker 2: There's lots of there's lots of reporters. There are a

1:27:24 Speaker 2: lot of reporters who put in a lot of work

1:27:27 Speaker 2: on subjects. Right.

1:27:31 Speaker 3: There's the skeptic as well, who have called and gotten

1:27:35 Speaker 3: their sources and dependagon who say, you know, it's all

1:27:39 Speaker 3: bullshit and Louel Azando never worked here and this one

1:27:42 Speaker 3: never worked there and da da da da dah. Right,

1:27:45 Speaker 3: and they're like, we can't confirm this thing that but

1:27:49 Speaker 3: Corbel just take it. Take that denial lass as confirmation.

1:27:54 Speaker 3: See there's a cover up. They're denying it, so obviously

1:28:00 Speaker 3: be right right right, So it's again unfalsifiable one way,

1:28:06 Speaker 3: one way or another. And then make a strong case

1:28:09 Speaker 3: on top of it, add to the idea that NAP

1:28:15 Speaker 3: is the gate keeper of you know, he owns the

1:28:20 Speaker 3: press narrative.

1:28:23 Speaker 1: That's interesting, right.

1:28:29 Speaker 3: Until until twenty seventeen. Until twenty seventeen, you know, you

1:28:33 Speaker 3: really couldn't.

1:28:33 Speaker 1: He puts the authority on this. Yeah, at least in

1:28:37 Speaker 1: the medium.

1:28:38 Speaker 2: He designated authority to the go to guy and all

1:28:41 Speaker 2: the rest of it.

1:28:42 Speaker 3: You know, That's what I'm saying. It's not going to

1:28:44 Speaker 3: you know, my articles are going to change anything. Dismant.

1:28:47 Speaker 2: No, I don't give it. Listen, God bless them. Listen.

1:28:49 Speaker 3: Personally, I don't know why he's still fucking doing any

1:28:51 Speaker 3: of it, you know, at his age or whatnot.

1:28:56 Speaker 1: Maybe, you know, do you think he wants do you think.

1:29:00 Speaker 2: I know, that would be the worst thing in the

1:29:03 Speaker 2: world for.

1:29:03 Speaker 1: Them, like the Greers and stuff. You think the disclosure

1:29:08 Speaker 1: is not.

1:29:08 Speaker 3: All horrible, horrible, horrible, it's the It's the end of them,

1:29:12 Speaker 3: It's the end of all of them.

1:29:13 Speaker 1: How do you see that?

1:29:16 Speaker 3: Well, because then they they definitely lose control. Goes mainstream

1:29:23 Speaker 3: once David Mirror dives into it once, you know, and

1:29:27 Speaker 3: talking about it, and Neil Tyson whatever the grass.

1:29:31 Speaker 1: Tyson's famously been against.

1:29:34 Speaker 3: It, and now he's talking about it, and you've got

1:29:36 Speaker 3: Abby Lob trying to raise money. Now you know, for hish,

1:29:40 Speaker 3: what I'm saying.

1:29:40 Speaker 1: Is, then it goes I don't want to see it

1:29:45 Speaker 1: goes to.

1:29:45 Speaker 3: The pros, be honest, yep, right, then it comes out

1:29:52 Speaker 3: of it being a niche. Now we're we're getting out

1:29:56 Speaker 3: of Triple A ball and we're going into the major leagues.

1:30:00 Speaker 3: None of them can survive at the fucking major leagues.

1:30:03 Speaker 2: Yeah, none.

1:30:04 Speaker 3: First of all, we're thrown none of them, none of them.

1:30:06 Speaker 3: None of the stories will withstand the scrutiny.

1:30:10 Speaker 1: Most of the stories.

1:30:12 Speaker 2: Most of the stories won't withstand the scrut.

1:30:15 Speaker 1: And again, I think any good UFL researcher, anyone who's

1:30:18 Speaker 1: in this field, you gotta know that ninety nine. Like

1:30:24 Speaker 1: I know a lot of people say ninety five, but

1:30:26 Speaker 1: let's just say, okay, let's say ninety five, And that's

1:30:29 Speaker 1: being super generous. Ninety five percent of cases can be

1:30:33 Speaker 1: explained with a prosaic explanation. That leaves five percent argue

1:30:39 Speaker 1: out of that five percent that warrants further investigation. Right

1:30:43 Speaker 1: off the bat knock three more percent off because once

1:30:47 Speaker 1: you go back the first initial, you know you'll get

1:30:51 Speaker 1: So now we're down to one or two percent that

1:30:54 Speaker 1: are truly anomalous. But really all it takes is one, right,

1:30:58 Speaker 1: and I think that's.

1:31:02 Speaker 3: Listen, whether it's whether it's one or it's you know,

1:31:05 Speaker 3: ten million, it doesn't matter when it's when it is normalized, right,

1:31:11 Speaker 3: and everybody, the powers that be are going to bring

1:31:14 Speaker 3: in their own experts and their own people.

1:31:17 Speaker 1: Because to right now get you know, usually most often

1:31:23 Speaker 1: the guys I see when something on the news gets

1:31:27 Speaker 1: attention from this topic, they bring in Corbell, they bring

1:31:31 Speaker 1: in Elizondo and Pope. You know, those three guys are

1:31:39 Speaker 1: the news guys.

1:31:40 Speaker 2: So but when there's science that comes out of this,

1:31:43 Speaker 2: and there's materials and this and that, then you got

1:31:46 Speaker 2: we got to see all the whole new set science,

1:31:49 Speaker 2: you know, science editors.

1:31:51 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know, and the rest of NASA is

1:31:53 Speaker 1: going to get involved heavy, right, like it's going to

1:31:57 Speaker 1: be way past right. Well, so our guys can be

1:32:01 Speaker 1: involved in.

1:32:01 Speaker 3: So the market, the market share will become substantially deluded.

1:32:07 Speaker 3: And because again it's going to be all new information. Right,

1:32:12 Speaker 3: So what everyone here now is going to be doing

1:32:18 Speaker 3: is going to be trying to They're going to be

1:32:22 Speaker 3: trying to debunk the new information because it doesn't fit

1:32:26 Speaker 3: what we've already thought for the last thirty years that

1:32:30 Speaker 3: I've been in this. You know, people are going to say,

1:32:33 Speaker 3: you know, no, it's not you know, they're not blue reptilians,

1:32:37 Speaker 3: they're green reptilians.

1:32:38 Speaker 2: I know it. Whatever, whatever it.

1:32:40 Speaker 3: Is, the aesthetics of it are they if the new

1:32:46 Speaker 3: information does not match what they already think it should be,

1:32:50 Speaker 3: they're just going to be get it's just going to

1:32:54 Speaker 3: stay here getting spun up about it. In the meantime,

1:32:58 Speaker 3: universities other serious people will take that information and move

1:33:02 Speaker 3: forward with it, right, and they will relook at the

1:33:06 Speaker 3: old information and they'll piece it together and say, here

1:33:10 Speaker 3: is the story, right, taking the old, taking the new,

1:33:14 Speaker 3: putting it together, here is the story. We're going to

1:33:19 Speaker 3: take the old, take the new, find the thing that

1:33:21 Speaker 3: doesn't match, and lose.

1:33:22 Speaker 2: That's it's over it.

1:33:24 Speaker 1: So uh well, so disclosure, what a thing?

1:33:29 Speaker 2: What a thing?

1:33:30 Speaker 1: What a ball of what a can of worms? And honestly,

1:33:34 Speaker 1: I think the can of worms has been sprung?

1:33:37 Speaker 2: Well I think so. And again, you know, I.

1:33:42 Speaker 1: We'll do more of these sitdowns. Of course.

1:33:44 Speaker 3: You know, here's here's the thing, right, You've got to

1:33:50 Speaker 3: we've we've got to hold everybody accountable the same amount, right,

1:33:55 Speaker 3: the same amount.

1:33:56 Speaker 1: We can't we can't cherry pick who we want.

1:34:00 Speaker 3: And people, again, I have no doubt, are absolutely wonderful, marvelous,

1:34:05 Speaker 3: magnificent human beings in their own right, and they're they're

1:34:10 Speaker 3: feeding their families and they're doing wonderful things and they're

1:34:13 Speaker 3: working hard. And not saying any of that, I'm just

1:34:18 Speaker 3: saying we we should hold one another accountable to the

1:34:23 Speaker 3: same standard that we you know, and we should be available.

1:34:28 Speaker 3: And you know, again, I talk with anybody and any

1:34:34 Speaker 3: sit down, and we'll talk with anybody who challenges I

1:34:37 Speaker 3: present what I have in the way that I have it.

1:34:42 Speaker 1: You know, you don't think they just see themselves as

1:34:46 Speaker 1: like above us.

1:34:48 Speaker 3: I don't think they see themselves above us because they

1:34:50 Speaker 3: don't see themselves as one of us. It's a job,

1:34:53 Speaker 3: this is their job. Their job is to create entertaining content.

1:35:00 Speaker 1: I will say it. My job is to facilitate stories

1:35:07 Speaker 1: right on the podcast.

1:35:09 Speaker 3: Right, you're a storyteller, You're a facilitating storyteller.

1:35:12 Speaker 1: And discussions and I'm looking for certain things, but I'm

1:35:15 Speaker 1: not saying disclosure. Like I know my place and I

1:35:18 Speaker 1: admit to it, Like I've spent a lot of money

1:35:21 Speaker 1: to be in this seat right right. My podcast house

1:35:25 Speaker 1: ads and like we'll do some ad reads and I'm

1:35:27 Speaker 1: going to put one in this video and we're like,

1:35:29 Speaker 1: I'm upfront about who I am.

1:35:32 Speaker 3: And again I say the same thing right now. You know,

1:35:35 Speaker 3: my thing is I think this work, this body of

1:35:39 Speaker 3: work that my father in law did, is important to

1:35:42 Speaker 3: the overall conversation and trying to get it out there.

1:35:45 Speaker 3: I think I'll put it together in a book form,

1:35:48 Speaker 3: translated it. It's in PDF form. It is also free

1:35:52 Speaker 3: and obtainable you know online. So maybe we should not,

1:35:57 Speaker 3: you know, multiple.

1:35:58 Speaker 2: We're going to do.

1:35:59 Speaker 1: We're gonna do like a giveaway thing, right yeah, how

1:36:04 Speaker 1: are you going to give it away?

1:36:06 Speaker 2: Hold it?

1:36:08 Speaker 1: I think you can't. Yeah, we'll get close up gene

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1:36:41 Speaker 1: But if you do for this episode, we'll make a

1:36:44 Speaker 1: list of the people and then we'll we'll do like

1:36:46 Speaker 1: a random drawing, and then we'll get your information. We'll

1:36:49 Speaker 1: send you a copy of the book. We'll send you

1:36:51 Speaker 1: a TDP Studios sticker like the one on this microphone.

1:36:55 Speaker 1: We'll also send you patch which is right there, but

1:36:58 Speaker 1: I can't show you right now. That's a UFO.

1:37:01 Speaker 2: We'll send you some stuff.

1:37:02 Speaker 1: It will send you something, and I'll autograph the book. Okay,

1:37:04 Speaker 1: all right, I don't want to see him like we're

1:37:07 Speaker 1: so I want to end on a high note here

1:37:09 Speaker 1: with everything that's been going on, with with with Trump,

1:37:12 Speaker 1: with the Epstein files, with disclosure, like what do you

1:37:17 Speaker 1: see happening? What is your view of the next twelve months?

1:37:21 Speaker 1: To wrap up?

1:37:23 Speaker 2: I mean again, I think we're you know.

1:37:25 Speaker 3: My view is, I think we will get a lot

1:37:27 Speaker 3: of new information. I think it will not be anywhere

1:37:31 Speaker 3: near as intriguing or perhaps even as satisfying as the

1:37:35 Speaker 3: general community wants and you know, it'll be a lot

1:37:38 Speaker 3: more of the status quo because there's far too much

1:37:41 Speaker 3: going on within the next twelve months for there to

1:37:46 Speaker 3: be any significant earth shattering movement. We're going to get

1:37:51 Speaker 3: We're going to get some movement. It's going to be incremental.

1:37:55 Speaker 3: It's going to be glacial twelve months in the grand

1:37:58 Speaker 3: scheme of this.

1:38:00 Speaker 2: The e.

1:38:03 Speaker 3: In the Ocean game, it's it's a long game. It's

1:38:08 Speaker 3: a long game. It's generational, you know, it's you know again.

1:38:14 Speaker 1: Unless something like unless some sort of variable takes unless right,

1:38:20 Speaker 1: what I mean, honest, date, honest, take this fucking war

1:38:25 Speaker 1: and Iran. But what the hell the guy that ran

1:38:30 Speaker 1: on no Wars and I hate to get politically here,

1:38:34 Speaker 1: but the guy who ran on no Wars we've now

1:38:38 Speaker 1: did you see what? The White House is posting these

1:38:41 Speaker 1: videos of like they're like Grand Theft Auto cuts of

1:38:47 Speaker 1: them destroying nuclear Iranian chips and then it says like

1:38:52 Speaker 1: wasted like it did in Grand Theft Auto. And it's

1:38:55 Speaker 1: like they're putting together these these edits of like they're

1:38:59 Speaker 1: like gamifying what they're doing. It's insane.

1:39:03 Speaker 2: We did in World War Two.

1:39:07 Speaker 1: This it fuck I know, with like the artists since

1:39:11 Speaker 1: the propagandists like.

1:39:13 Speaker 2: We did it. We did it when you went to

1:39:15 Speaker 2: go see a movie.

1:39:17 Speaker 1: Serious, So you're saying this is just the new way

1:39:20 Speaker 1: of but there's nothing new under the sun.

1:39:23 Speaker 2: When you went to go see the movie. During World

1:39:25 Speaker 2: War Two, you got a twenty minute Newsrael Today.

1:39:30 Speaker 3: Our boys really messed up those Japs and Nazis. Look

1:39:34 Speaker 3: at them marking down the aisle. Look at this home

1:39:37 Speaker 3: that went and we just blew the crap out of it.

1:39:40 Speaker 3: You you to our boys over there.

1:39:43 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's sad to get people just a modern version. Yeah,

1:39:48 Speaker 1: you don't think it's a crossing the line of bit

1:39:53 Speaker 1: the line between war and like soul lessness.

1:39:58 Speaker 2: Isn't that every video game that already exists. Yeah, we have,

1:40:02 Speaker 2: we have.

1:40:02 Speaker 3: We wanted to get on a morality clause of Grand

1:40:05 Speaker 3: Theft Auto.

1:40:07 Speaker 2: Have you seen the video video? Yeah? No. But what

1:40:12 Speaker 2: I'm saying, what I'm saying is this is what's this

1:40:17 Speaker 2: is what? How can you?

1:40:20 Speaker 3: I mean, maybe you are offended in disgusted by Grand

1:40:24 Speaker 3: Theft Auto.

1:40:25 Speaker 1: It's not Grand Theft Auto's fault. Although I'm really wondering

1:40:29 Speaker 1: if Rock Star signed off on this.

1:40:31 Speaker 2: It is it is their fault.

1:40:33 Speaker 1: What he means their fault.

1:40:35 Speaker 2: I mean it's because that's what society likes.

1:40:39 Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's that's you could make that argument, absolutely right.

1:40:45 Speaker 1: But they did another one too. They've done a couple

1:40:48 Speaker 1: of these edits where they like, oh no, dude, Yeah

1:40:51 Speaker 1: that was the original one. It had like brave heart

1:40:54 Speaker 1: speech and then it was them dropping missiles on.

1:40:56 Speaker 2: The You ever see the videos that came out of

1:40:59 Speaker 2: Pakistan after that.

1:41:01 Speaker 1: Yeah, but people are on a different level then. You know,

1:41:04 Speaker 1: they were on a they were they wanted it.

1:41:07 Speaker 2: People don't.

1:41:08 Speaker 1: I guess that's a good interact. So no, I mean

1:41:11 Speaker 1: we wanted it then, but we don't want to know.

1:41:13 Speaker 3: I meant the videos at the back of Sandy's and

1:41:16 Speaker 3: we're putting out that we're done the jungle jin phrasing

1:41:20 Speaker 3: nine to eleven, you know, yeah, celebrating it.

1:41:24 Speaker 1: Yeah, but we but we're America. We don't do that.

1:41:28 Speaker 1: That's what we thought.

1:41:29 Speaker 3: That's what we thought because that are boys and really

1:41:35 Speaker 3: took it to hero Hito do we we don't do it.

1:41:42 Speaker 1: It's not even tasteful. It's repetitive and boring.

1:41:48 Speaker 2: Okay, I'll give you that.

1:41:51 Speaker 1: What the hell happened?

1:41:53 Speaker 3: I personally before the Team America World Police theme song,

1:41:59 Speaker 3: mayor God, yeah, that's that's what they should they should

1:42:03 Speaker 3: be doing.

1:42:05 Speaker 2: Listen.

1:42:05 Speaker 3: I'm less offended by that video than I am of

1:42:08 Speaker 3: the Biden White House Christmas video.

1:42:15 Speaker 1: I guess. So anyway, I'm just I'm complaining for no reason,

1:42:26 Speaker 1: but I get it. I mean, it's just I think

1:42:30 Speaker 1: it's im poor taste. That's me personally, but you know

1:42:35 Speaker 1: it's it's I don't want to politicize anything, but it's

1:42:38 Speaker 1: hard to see how like we're also going to get

1:42:41 Speaker 1: the UFO stuff while we're dealing with Epstein stuff. We're

1:42:45 Speaker 1: also dealing with a new war and Iran.

1:42:47 Speaker 2: It's like mid terms.

1:42:50 Speaker 1: How are general people going to get excited about UFOs

1:42:53 Speaker 1: when like heating is rising. That's that's the stuff I

1:42:57 Speaker 1: see and no one wants. It's just like they think

1:42:59 Speaker 1: you have are like on everyone's bucket list, I mean checklist,

1:43:04 Speaker 1: and it's like that's not the reality.

1:43:05 Speaker 2: On anybody's checklist.

1:43:06 Speaker 1: It's not on most people, most people's checklist. Like I

1:43:09 Speaker 1: get I start talking about UFOs and my coworker's eyes

1:43:12 Speaker 1: glaze over and it's as like, right, okay, okay, I like.

1:43:18 Speaker 3: That's gonna be the thing, and and it'll come, and

1:43:21 Speaker 3: it'll come how it comes, and we just.

1:43:22 Speaker 1: Gotta I got excited though when Trump said that.

1:43:26 Speaker 2: It was phenomenal.

1:43:27 Speaker 1: That was a huge, huge moment, sitting like active president

1:43:31 Speaker 1: because Obama I think he did at the top. Obama

1:43:33 Speaker 1: obviously right, and again I don't care how we get

1:43:36 Speaker 1: there as long as we get we get there.

1:43:39 Speaker 2: Again, it's a marathon, but.

1:43:40 Speaker 1: Gee, we'll do another one of these. This is really

1:43:42 Speaker 1: fun sit down, like a little producers sit down, which

1:43:45 Speaker 1: I like to say, it's been a great day. Thank

1:43:47 Speaker 1: you so much for coming. Well, uh, we'll see you

1:43:50 Speaker 1: on the on the other side.