We’ve Been Misunderstanding UFOs | Filmmaker Dean Alioto on Non-Human Intelligence, Disclosure & Life Beyond Earth

0:00 Speaker 1: M H. Welcome back to Total Disclosure. My name's Ty

0:34 Speaker 1: and I'm the host of the show today. I'm actually

0:38 Speaker 1: really really excited to get this episode kicked off. I've

0:42 Speaker 1: been I've been having so much fun lately with the

0:45 Speaker 1: guests doing the in person shows, and you know, right now,

0:50 Speaker 1: I know I'm in a hybrid, hybrid mode. But the

0:55 Speaker 1: goal of course in the new year is to start

0:58 Speaker 1: bringing everybody in to the studio. Hence why I purchased

1:02 Speaker 1: it and have a second home to do this. So

1:08 Speaker 1: I'm really excited. We've been doing like a mix. Today

1:11 Speaker 1: we're gonna be doing the virtual one. If you're watching

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1:34 Speaker 1: a brother out today. Today we're joined by award winning

1:38 Speaker 1: filmmaker and part time comedian UFO researcher Dean Aliotto, a

1:44 Speaker 1: true pioneer in modern UFO storytelling, from the cold classic

1:48 Speaker 1: the mcspherson Tape to consulting on James Fox is The Phenomenon,

1:52 Speaker 1: which arguably I think is one of the best films

1:55 Speaker 1: in the UFO community, and that is including Age of Disclosure.

2:00 Speaker 1: He has spent decades pushing this subject forward and after

2:03 Speaker 1: an eight year journey across countries and more than I

2:07 Speaker 1: think sixty interviews, is what he told me. His latest documentaries,

2:11 Speaker 1: The Alien Perspective and Life Beyond Earth are available on

2:16 Speaker 1: Amazon for purchase. I will already have the links in

2:19 Speaker 1: the description below. And we're gonna ask some of the

2:21 Speaker 1: biggest questions like he has regarding to humanity, uh and

2:26 Speaker 1: the phenomenon, and you know, this the biggest existential question

2:31 Speaker 1: that we face. It's something I'm really excited about. So Dean, welcome,

2:35 Speaker 1: h this is going to be really fun. I can't wait,

2:39 Speaker 1: and thank you for doing this.

2:40 Speaker 2: You're very welcome, brother, happy to be here.

2:43 Speaker 1: You are such a funny dude.

2:44 Speaker 2: Bro, great, no pressure, you gotta.

2:52 Speaker 1: I wish I did have you in studio today. There's

2:56 Speaker 1: something and and this isn't a takeaway from the virtual interviews,

3:01 Speaker 1: but there's like an electricity when you're in the same room.

3:04 Speaker 1: And where actually where I really fell in love with

3:06 Speaker 1: that was contact because I didn't I didn't aside from

3:10 Speaker 1: like introducing people like Bloodsoe and Melinda Leslie and Ryan Wood,

3:15 Speaker 1: I didn't watch a single panel. I was pulling people

3:18 Speaker 1: off off the floor and just dragging to the media

3:21 Speaker 1: room and doing interview after interview after interview after.

3:24 Speaker 2: Yeah, they won't let you back into the contact in

3:26 Speaker 2: the desert because.

3:27 Speaker 1: Of that, by the way, Yeah, I got kicked out.

3:29 Speaker 2: You're on the list.

3:30 Speaker 1: I'm on the list now. But I fell in love

3:33 Speaker 1: with it, the electricity of just feeding off the other person,

3:37 Speaker 1: and yeah, I just I would love to I can't

3:41 Speaker 1: wait to bring you here and so many others. But

3:44 Speaker 1: tell me a little bit about how because I mean

3:48 Speaker 1: some of the films you've worked on, like The Phenomenon,

3:51 Speaker 1: I mean The Phenomenon that's one of the first ones

3:54 Speaker 1: I recommend from people that are coming into this field.

3:58 Speaker 1: The Alien Perspective, that was one that I watched and

4:04 Speaker 1: I was so impressed with just the storytelling. So I'd

4:09 Speaker 1: just like to hear about how did you get into filmmaking,

4:12 Speaker 1: and you know, specifically UFO filmmaking.

4:18 Speaker 2: The journey started with a divorce. My father got me,

4:24 Speaker 2: my mother got my other brothers, older, younger, and so

4:28 Speaker 2: I spent a lot of time in Sacramento for the

4:30 Speaker 2: first nine years basically in my life. And so from

4:33 Speaker 2: seven to nine, I'm with my father and I'm out

4:38 Speaker 2: looking at the stars every night before I go to bed,

4:41 Speaker 2: just kind of imagining that there was someone else out

4:43 Speaker 2: there that was going through the same shit that I

4:45 Speaker 2: was going through, and you know, feeling not as alone.

4:51 Speaker 2: And so whenever I would see those stars sparkle, I

4:53 Speaker 2: always looked upon that as being a heartbeat for some reason,

4:58 Speaker 2: and it just kind of resonated. And then I started

5:01 Speaker 2: seeing shows like In Search of and would find books

5:04 Speaker 2: at the library that were, you know, dealing with you know,

5:08 Speaker 2: Charity's of the Gods and even put and stuff, anything

5:13 Speaker 2: weird that was out there that was fun. I was

5:15 Speaker 2: all all in. And and then I remember seeing I

5:20 Speaker 2: remember seeing I think it was called Interrupted Journey, the

5:23 Speaker 2: Barney and Betty Hill story ev movie with James Earl Jones,

5:29 Speaker 2: dath Vedo and and the Stelle Parsons, and that was

5:33 Speaker 2: creepy and great. And then I would say that. I

5:37 Speaker 2: saw Star Wars obviously first because I came out in May,

5:41 Speaker 2: and I had to see it four times because the

5:46 Speaker 2: story very simple story. Rescue Princess, destroy I'm not getting

5:51 Speaker 2: it giving away any spoilers here, destroy the Death Star.

5:55 Speaker 2: And that was it, as simple as that was. I

5:57 Speaker 2: couldn't take that in because I'm a little dyslexic and

6:01 Speaker 2: so I'm skewed visually, so I'm very forward visual. So

6:07 Speaker 2: I was just taking in all the art, direction, the costumes, everything,

6:11 Speaker 2: and it was just blowing my mind. It was just like,

6:13 Speaker 2: you know, uh crack. And so anyway, and then six

6:18 Speaker 2: months later we get close encounters with a third kind

6:23 Speaker 2: damn yeah, and that knocked me on my ass. And

6:25 Speaker 2: I remember at first going, well, I already have a

6:29 Speaker 2: mad crush on this other thing, Star Wars, and who's

6:33 Speaker 2: this guy coming along? Thinking he's going to work in

6:35 Speaker 2: sci fi as well, because my allegiance, you know, is

6:40 Speaker 2: to you know, and so anyway, it's like, you know,

6:43 Speaker 2: the socks and the phillies, what are you going to do? Well,

6:46 Speaker 2: you know what you got to do, so anyway, of course,

6:49 Speaker 2: But but the thing about close encounters are the third

6:52 Speaker 2: kind that star Wars didn't have is it had a

6:55 Speaker 2: spirituality where it takes this guy puts him on this.

7:00 Speaker 2: There's no bad guys in the whole film. Yet I'm

7:02 Speaker 2: watching watching clearly an action sci fi drama with with

7:06 Speaker 2: a healthy dose of comedy by the way, yeah, and

7:10 Speaker 2: and and relating to all of it and feeling this compulsion,

7:14 Speaker 2: this compelling that there's something bigger out there. And so

7:17 Speaker 2: when he's saying this means something in the movie throughout,

7:22 Speaker 2: I would look at the stars and I would say

7:23 Speaker 2: the same thing, this means something means So it totally

7:27 Speaker 2: connected with me resonating and that was that was it.

7:32 Speaker 2: And so I was. When I was younger, I did stunts.

7:36 Speaker 2: I had super stunt Super eight stunt movies. And then

7:41 Speaker 2: I was a magician. I was an escape artist, always performing,

7:44 Speaker 2: dealing with some forms of effects. And so here comes

7:49 Speaker 2: Spielberg again. At this point, I had dropped out of

7:51 Speaker 2: high school before I flunked out, because again I didn't

7:53 Speaker 2: know that I was dyslexic. I just knew that I couldn't.

7:57 Speaker 1: Like at that time, it's not like they were for

8:00 Speaker 1: that kind of stuff all the time, and like, unless

8:03 Speaker 1: you were, unless you're you know, specifically asking for these things.

8:08 Speaker 1: They're not going to pull you out and be like, hey,

8:10 Speaker 1: this is what's happening.

8:11 Speaker 2: No, they had tested. The only thing they did is

8:14 Speaker 2: early on they did an IQ test and that was it,

8:16 Speaker 2: and that was kind of a standard. I don't even

8:17 Speaker 2: think they do that anymore. And so I tested well

8:21 Speaker 2: enough on that that they thought, oh, this guy is

8:25 Speaker 2: you know, what's his problem? He's just lazy? Yeah, not

8:29 Speaker 2: knowing that you can test high, but yet you can

8:31 Speaker 2: be dyslexic, and you know, the two don't always dance

8:35 Speaker 2: well together. So anyway, I dropped out of school thing,

8:40 Speaker 2: and I was going to be for lack of better

8:42 Speaker 2: thing because I knew I love entertainment, that I was

8:44 Speaker 2: going to be an actor. But again, I was always

8:47 Speaker 2: more interested in how things came together, the mechanics of things.

8:51 Speaker 2: You know, if I was going out to audition for

8:54 Speaker 2: a school play, I would walk into the audition, I

8:57 Speaker 2: would go, this kid, that guy should do that part

9:00 Speaker 2: because he's better at it. But how are they going

9:01 Speaker 2: to do the tornado on stage? I want to see

9:03 Speaker 2: how that plays out. So I drop out six months.

9:08 Speaker 2: My mother's cool with it. She's like, you're going to

9:10 Speaker 2: read newspaper every day, and you're going to get a job.

9:13 Speaker 2: And so I'm doing that, and then I go to

9:17 Speaker 2: the movies and I see ET. Spielberg hits me again

9:21 Speaker 2: and I see a sneak preview of it. So I

9:23 Speaker 2: know nothing about this, and I'm like, hold on, my

9:28 Speaker 2: mother is now because I had moved back with my mother.

9:31 Speaker 2: So my mother's raising three boys on her own, three kids.

9:35 Speaker 2: I'm the fucked up middle child. Yep, tick that box.

9:40 Speaker 2: I love UFOs and aliens. There he is with an alien.

9:43 Speaker 2: Tick that box. And I'm seeing so much of my

9:50 Speaker 2: life in ET. And except for the product placement of

9:54 Speaker 2: Reese's pieces, I do anything. But I'm just looking at that.

9:58 Speaker 2: I'm going, Okay, this is something magical filmmaking where it

10:05 Speaker 2: can take what I had perceived as being like four

10:07 Speaker 2: hundred blows. You know Trufa's film if you haven't seen it,

10:12 Speaker 2: Okain or anything, it's a different type of blow. And

10:16 Speaker 2: I thought of it as a tragedy. In Spielberg's going no, no, no,

10:19 Speaker 2: this isn't a tragedy. This is special. This is fertilizer

10:23 Speaker 2: for imagination. So I came home and I literally said

10:25 Speaker 2: to my mother, I'm a filmmaker, that's it. And so

10:29 Speaker 2: from eighty two on which, by the way, eighty two

10:34 Speaker 2: can we talk about eighty two? Within a month and

10:36 Speaker 2: a half, here's what comes out each blade Runner, the

10:42 Speaker 2: thing wow, and something else really big?

10:47 Speaker 1: Was it?

10:47 Speaker 2: Tron? I forgot what it was. Yeah, within a short

10:52 Speaker 2: period of time, sci fi geeks were like, you know completely,

10:56 Speaker 2: you know they were made Oh in Nirvana, dude, it

10:59 Speaker 2: was amazing. And so anyway, I just I I went

11:04 Speaker 2: back to school, and first I got my ged, then

11:08 Speaker 2: then I got my Then I graduated, you know, got

11:12 Speaker 2: my full high school diploma, and then I got into

11:16 Speaker 2: a great film program at San Franschoo State University University.

11:19 Speaker 2: And it was Jesus Christ, I'm taking way too long

11:22 Speaker 2: to answer this question. Wasn't a simple question, and I

11:25 Speaker 2: went running with it. Yeah, but I'm at the precipice,

11:29 Speaker 2: so let me just I'll bring it home. I'll bring

11:31 Speaker 2: it home for us. So basically what happens is I

11:36 Speaker 2: again hit dyslexia wall because my syllabus hasn't it in English,

11:42 Speaker 2: A stack of books like this high and I'm thinking

11:45 Speaker 2: I'm not gonna be able to do it in a

11:46 Speaker 2: quarter and then I'm doing astronomy and I'm so excited,

11:49 Speaker 2: and then they start using trigonometry and I'm so I'm

11:52 Speaker 2: having to drop out of classes left and right. So

11:55 Speaker 2: I say, you know what, screw this, I'm going to

11:57 Speaker 2: take a year off, save up enough money and go

11:59 Speaker 2: to US see and just take film classes, extension classes.

12:02 Speaker 2: So I did that. So I went to US and

12:04 Speaker 2: took film classes and stuff, and that was great. And

12:08 Speaker 2: then finally what led me hardcore as a filmmaker into

12:14 Speaker 2: this was shortly thereafter I was turning twenty five, and

12:19 Speaker 2: because all of my filmmaking idols had made their first

12:22 Speaker 2: film by twenty five, there was undue pressure that I

12:25 Speaker 2: put on myself that I needed to make my first

12:28 Speaker 2: film by twenty five. And so back then it was

12:31 Speaker 2: either sixteen millimeter to shoot a movie or it was

12:35 Speaker 2: thirty five millimeter, which was extremely expensive, and so there

12:39 Speaker 2: wasn't DSLR and mirrorless, right. So anyway, I talked to

12:46 Speaker 2: a buddy of mine and he said, you know, hey,

12:48 Speaker 2: I'll help you, you know, finance your film. I'm like, great,

12:52 Speaker 2: what do you have? He said, I got sixty five

12:53 Speaker 2: hundred bucks. And I had been doing wedding videos with

12:56 Speaker 2: a buddy of mine, and I said, yeah, that's like

12:59 Speaker 2: the budget for wedding video, a nice wedding video that

13:01 Speaker 2: I don't that's not going to work.

13:03 Speaker 1: It's not going to bring us to where we need it.

13:05 Speaker 2: No. And then Whitley Streemer's book Communion Union and I

13:11 Speaker 2: and I read that. Actually I listened to the audio

13:13 Speaker 2: tape with Roddy McDowell and if you haven't listened to it, folks,

13:17 Speaker 2: unfortunately it's the abridge version. But Roddy McDowell mann does

13:21 Speaker 2: he totally crush it. Yeah, it's amazing. And so anyway

13:25 Speaker 2: I listen to that. I'm more terrified than any Stephen

13:28 Speaker 2: King book I'd ever read. And Roddy McDowell, if you

13:31 Speaker 2: guys don't know, was the original plan of the apes.

13:33 Speaker 2: He was Galen, he was Caesar. Yeah, yeah, And so

13:41 Speaker 2: he gave gives a great performance. And so I thought,

13:44 Speaker 2: oh shit, what if I because I'm so affected by this,

13:48 Speaker 2: and I want to be able to translate this to

13:50 Speaker 2: an audience who haven't had these experiences like myself, how

13:53 Speaker 2: would that look like? How do you put yourself in

13:55 Speaker 2: the first person? I mean, Dracula, all these great. You know,

13:59 Speaker 2: Gothic novels were done in that stall kind of first

14:04 Speaker 2: person that would put you in that like a journal.

14:06 Speaker 2: So I thought, what would be the equivalent of that

14:09 Speaker 2: as a filmmaker and a film And then I hit

14:12 Speaker 2: on the idea of, oh, what if we do a

14:14 Speaker 2: home video where something if we're a benign thing, like

14:18 Speaker 2: a little girl's five year old birthday party, and then

14:21 Speaker 2: the shit hits the fan and you introduced aliens and

14:24 Speaker 2: then they all one by one get abducted. And so

14:27 Speaker 2: that was it, and so I called up my friends

14:29 Speaker 2: said all right, we're back on let's do this, and.

14:32 Speaker 1: Now that budget kind of.

14:35 Speaker 2: Works right now, it's perfect. Now it's perfect. And we

14:38 Speaker 2: came in on budget. And the guy who did the

14:41 Speaker 2: ship in Aliens, who went on to do the first

14:43 Speaker 2: Fantastic Four film and work with Tim Burton, Bill Bowse

14:50 Speaker 2: is his name, amazing talent. He only had seven hundred

14:54 Speaker 2: and fifty bucks to do the ship in the Aliens

14:56 Speaker 2: and he crushed it and did a great job. So

14:59 Speaker 2: we make this thing, and so now I'm a filmmaker.

15:02 Speaker 2: I can chick you know, check that box box. Yeah,

15:05 Speaker 2: no one wants to touch it because it's so weird

15:07 Speaker 2: and it's ten years before blair Witch.

15:09 Speaker 1: I was gonna say, it's blair Witch before blair Witch

15:12 Speaker 1: makes that a popular the found footage kind of popular popularity.

15:18 Speaker 1: That's crazy.

15:20 Speaker 2: Yeah.

15:21 Speaker 1: Wow that So you said one thing that really interests.

15:26 Speaker 2: Me, though, only one thing. I'm sorry, no, no, let

15:29 Speaker 2: me work on it.

15:31 Speaker 1: God damn, I don't know how I'm gonna interview you.

15:33 Speaker 1: Uh you too busy freaking laughing. Uh. You said one

15:38 Speaker 1: thing that for people who weren't having these experiences like

15:43 Speaker 1: I was, So, what do you mean by that?

15:49 Speaker 2: I don't know, dude, I'm just talking out of my ass.

15:52 Speaker 1: I think you have any experiences with the phenomenon.

15:56 Speaker 2: No, And I'm pissed off because I'm dreaming of it.

16:00 Speaker 2: I'm the one that, you know, was that kids. Still

16:02 Speaker 2: every night I would, you know, not every night, but

16:04 Speaker 2: occasionally I would go back on my you know, porch

16:08 Speaker 2: of the house where I lived in the Bay Area,

16:11 Speaker 2: and I'm looking at the stars. I really want to

16:12 Speaker 2: have this experience, and after reading Whitley's book, I really

16:16 Speaker 2: want to, you know, specifically, you know, try to have

16:20 Speaker 2: a communion with them not happening, And so I think

16:26 Speaker 2: This is the reason why Spielberg keeps making UFL films,

16:29 Speaker 2: because we want this wish fulfillment. You know, we have

16:32 Speaker 2: this wish fulfillment that we want to cement and materialize,

16:38 Speaker 2: and so we use our imagination in order to recreate it.

16:41 Speaker 2: So flash forward after I make this movie and it

16:45 Speaker 2: gets distributed, and there's a whole other story there with

16:48 Speaker 2: a distribution company burn on the ground. I lost my

16:50 Speaker 2: main master and artwork, but some Mama Pop video stores

16:55 Speaker 2: had some advanced screeners and someone edited off the credits

16:57 Speaker 2: and injected to the UFO community, so it becomes this

17:00 Speaker 2: big UFO kind of sensation thing and believed to be real,

17:05 Speaker 2: et cetera. And I have to go on National TV

17:07 Speaker 2: and de bank my own film so that all happens,

17:11 Speaker 2: and then I end up doing a remake for UPN

17:18 Speaker 2: So the original was called UFO Abduction aka the McPherson Tape,

17:22 Speaker 2: and then I did a remake for UPN TV their

17:26 Speaker 2: first TV movie called Alien Abduction Instant Lake County, and

17:30 Speaker 2: that did well, which pissed off the new head of

17:33 Speaker 2: the network because he thought this was a piece of

17:35 Speaker 2: crap and thank god they were here to save the network.

17:39 Speaker 2: And so another long story anyway, So for the twenty

17:44 Speaker 2: fifth anniversary of my film, the McPherson Tape, I talked

17:49 Speaker 2: to Alejandro Rojas and he says, Hey, you should come

17:53 Speaker 2: and do a speaking engagement here, like a seventy five

17:56 Speaker 2: minute ted talk if you will, about this filmnie and

18:00 Speaker 2: you as a filmmaker and all the conspiracy theories and

18:03 Speaker 2: there's a crapload of them on the film and me.

18:06 Speaker 2: And so at first I refuse because I'm kind of like, yeah,

18:10 Speaker 2: I don't think that they're going to dig me, because

18:12 Speaker 2: I think they maybe take this too serious. And I'm

18:14 Speaker 2: as smart ass as you can tell. And he said, no, no, no,

18:18 Speaker 2: They've got a great sense of humor. The community is awesome.

18:20 Speaker 2: I'm like, go all right. So I go out there

18:22 Speaker 2: Scott Steel, Arizona, and everything he said was correct. These

18:27 Speaker 2: were the funnest group of people, like minded nerds like me,

18:32 Speaker 2: all just completely swimming in the phenomenon. And again, a

18:39 Speaker 2: lot of experiences there, and a lot of people who

18:41 Speaker 2: really want to have that experience and are there as

18:44 Speaker 2: kind of investigative journalists, if you will. And so I

18:47 Speaker 2: start meeting people out of Montana Tech like professor Michael

18:55 Speaker 2: Masters and Yeah, and other people who are who are

19:00 Speaker 2: working the space, who are highly accredited academia, And I'm going, okay,

19:05 Speaker 2: I think there's a documentary here, and I've done documentaries

19:08 Speaker 2: for TV and cable and stuff, and so I thought, well,

19:13 Speaker 2: what if I take what I've learned and do it,

19:16 Speaker 2: Because at the time, most of the UFO documentaries looked

19:19 Speaker 2: like it was some guy who grabbed their iPhone and

19:22 Speaker 2: cornered their favorite UFO guru while they're waiting for the

19:26 Speaker 2: elevator and quickly interviewed them and then cut in some

19:29 Speaker 2: stock footage and that was it except for James Fox,

19:31 Speaker 2: who was doing them you know, nicer stuff. And there

19:33 Speaker 2: are a few other Yeah and and Acknowledge, and there

19:36 Speaker 2: are a few other filmmakers that were doing some really great,

19:39 Speaker 2: great things, but most of it was that. And I thought, okay, well,

19:44 Speaker 2: I really want to have this be a science doc

19:46 Speaker 2: and I want to have the production value and everything

19:49 Speaker 2: feel like you're just watching a science dock. And this

19:51 Speaker 2: isn't a braggadosha thing, it's I want to be able

19:54 Speaker 2: to get people who haven't spent time in the UFO

19:58 Speaker 2: rabbit hole, if you will and show them no, no, no,

20:01 Speaker 2: there's something to this, and so there's a certain format

20:05 Speaker 2: and stuff that you would bide by in order to

20:06 Speaker 2: do that. And so that set me off on my

20:10 Speaker 2: journey that I thought, oh, I'll be done in nine months,

20:12 Speaker 2: fifteen interviews, and then that's it. And then I you know,

20:17 Speaker 2: I'll I'll do that, and then I'll go yeah, then

20:19 Speaker 2: I'll go back, I'll hang it up. Then I'll go

20:21 Speaker 2: back to doing you know, scripted sci fi stuff whatever.

20:25 Speaker 2: So that's not how the phenomenon works at all. It

20:28 Speaker 2: laughs at you when you declare anything. And and here

20:32 Speaker 2: I am eight years later, about to enter my ninth year,

20:35 Speaker 2: and I've done four interviews, and like you said, you know,

20:38 Speaker 2: it's sixty eight interviews. I think Diana Diane oh what

20:46 Speaker 2: is her name? She she hosts the second one, Life

20:51 Speaker 2: Beyond Earth, the one that that came out recently. No Hennessy,

20:54 Speaker 2: Diane Hennessy with the television. She was the last interview

20:58 Speaker 2: I did. And so I've got these, yeah, these four documentaries,

21:02 Speaker 2: five countries, and and you know, I was talking to

21:07 Speaker 2: Yvonne Smith, who's a great hypnotherapist who works with experiencers.

21:11 Speaker 2: Ah yeah, and she and I said to her one time,

21:15 Speaker 2: I just I got so burnt and so fed up,

21:17 Speaker 2: because you know, these things cost a lot, and it's

21:21 Speaker 2: like it's a very expensive hobby and already filmmaking is

21:24 Speaker 2: the most expensive art form in the history of mankind.

21:27 Speaker 2: And so I'm you know, gambling, throwing down hard. But

21:31 Speaker 2: I just really believe in this, And I say to her,

21:33 Speaker 2: I go one time after we were filming, I said,

21:36 Speaker 2: I don't understand what the hell's going on. I'm not

21:38 Speaker 2: an experiencer. So I've come through my past. I have

21:41 Speaker 2: no missing time, nothing anominalous. And she looks at me

21:44 Speaker 2: like I'm an idiot, which is probably true, and she says, Dean,

21:49 Speaker 2: they don't need to knock on your door to get

21:50 Speaker 2: to you, which I found both interesting and frightening. And

21:58 Speaker 2: so she's like, you know, basically, the idea there is

22:02 Speaker 2: that you know, a lot of people become agents of this.

22:06 Speaker 2: You know, the muse comes, and sometimes the muse is

22:09 Speaker 2: a creative muse, and sometimes maybe they're from another planet

22:12 Speaker 2: to mention or the future. So I'm still trying to

22:15 Speaker 2: figure out that one. But it completely changed the way

22:19 Speaker 2: that I make movies because the documentaries. When I started out,

22:25 Speaker 2: what you do as a filmmaker when you're trying or

22:27 Speaker 2: a storyteller, you're trying to tell a story that has

22:29 Speaker 2: been told beforehand to some extent. To some extent, every

22:33 Speaker 2: story is different. You look at what everyone's doing and

22:36 Speaker 2: then you run the other way. So all the other

22:38 Speaker 2: documentaries were all from the human's perspective, and I'm like, okay,

22:41 Speaker 2: hold on, what if we look at it from their perspective?

22:45 Speaker 2: Flip it? And so that's where the idea of the

22:47 Speaker 2: alien perspective came from. And then that that was my compass.

22:52 Speaker 1: So I love it and I like what she I

22:55 Speaker 1: like what Yvonne said that they don't have to knock.

22:57 Speaker 1: They don't always have to knock on your door. And

23:00 Speaker 1: in this topic specifically, it seems like once it gets

23:07 Speaker 1: a hold of you, or you get a hold of it,

23:09 Speaker 1: you know, whatever whatever form that takes.

23:13 Speaker 2: You know.

23:13 Speaker 1: I've I've interviewed many people and many of them are

23:19 Speaker 1: at least a handful of them were like, I just

23:21 Speaker 1: want to do this interview. I want to come out,

23:24 Speaker 1: I want to tell my story and I want to

23:25 Speaker 1: move on. And I tell them every single time you

23:28 Speaker 1: may want that now. But I can promise you, if

23:32 Speaker 1: the phenomenon wants you around, you're gonna be around and

23:37 Speaker 1: you're never gonna get away from it. It's God, This

23:40 Speaker 1: this topic has a way of pulling you in and

23:42 Speaker 1: never letting you go. And it's the only thing I've

23:44 Speaker 1: ever seen do that. Because I did work in Hollywood,

23:47 Speaker 1: I did all that. I did that stuff, and that's

23:51 Speaker 1: what I thought I wanted to do. Is what I again,

23:55 Speaker 1: like you from the first time I ever saw a

23:57 Speaker 1: film and the way it elicited that, it elicited emotions

24:02 Speaker 1: that I had never even felt before, and something how

24:05 Speaker 1: to do something on the silver screen? Do that to me?

24:09 Speaker 1: You know, I had a rote quote unquote rough childhood,

24:12 Speaker 1: not in the way of like like uh being a

24:17 Speaker 1: bubi and not like that. But we didn't have money.

24:20 Speaker 1: You know, my dad was in jail. My mom was

24:23 Speaker 1: raising four kids on her own. You know, it just

24:26 Speaker 1: we didn't have But but so I was very shut

24:31 Speaker 1: off as a person. I didn't let to There was

24:35 Speaker 1: few people in my life that knew the whole story

24:38 Speaker 1: because I wouldn't let people get close enough to see anything.

24:41 Speaker 1: And I forget where I'm even going with. Oh, uh yeah,

24:46 Speaker 1: So the way a film was able to elicit those

24:50 Speaker 1: kind of emotions for me, the first movie I saw,

24:53 Speaker 1: I was like, that's what I want to do. I

24:54 Speaker 1: want to be able to do that to other people.

24:56 Speaker 1: And then I chased that dream and it turns out

24:59 Speaker 1: it wasn't for you, specifically the Hollywood version of it,

25:03 Speaker 1: but this version of it, it took me a little

25:05 Speaker 1: bit longer to find. And I have my own I

25:09 Speaker 1: had my own experiences, which you know, I had a

25:12 Speaker 1: sighting when I was younger, and then when I when

25:16 Speaker 1: my mom passed away, I was in the room and

25:18 Speaker 1: I saw something in the room as she passed, and

25:22 Speaker 1: it was at that moment it was like her pushing

25:25 Speaker 1: me right back. It was because she's involved with both

25:27 Speaker 1: of the experiences I had. If she didn't ask me

25:31 Speaker 1: to stay home from school at twelve years old, I

25:33 Speaker 1: wouldn't have saw the craft, the nuts and bolts craft

25:38 Speaker 1: that inspired me to see the world that isn't because

25:43 Speaker 1: she she didn't like. I ran in the house and

25:45 Speaker 1: I was like, my b I just saw and she

25:48 Speaker 1: was like, just chill, like you saw a UFO. She

25:51 Speaker 1: didn't say. I was like, she didn't say, I was crazy.

25:53 Speaker 1: She didn't say I saw God or an angel. She

25:56 Speaker 1: didn't try to force any view upon me. She just said,

25:59 Speaker 1: you saw something you don't understand. And then she took

26:02 Speaker 1: me to the library every single day for two weeks.

26:05 Speaker 1: And it's funny how you said like communion, because I

26:08 Speaker 1: had that same experience just at a very much later time,

26:12 Speaker 1: twenty years ago. And yeah, it was off to the races.

26:17 Speaker 1: But when she passed away, I saw like this orbit

26:19 Speaker 1: in the room and she was it went out the window,

26:24 Speaker 1: and then I looked back and she was gone, and

26:26 Speaker 1: it was like her last nudge of hey, you're almost there,

26:31 Speaker 1: you're on the right track, but boom, here's one last push.

26:35 Speaker 1: And then total disclosure was born and I haven't stopped since.

26:39 Speaker 1: So I think I think fate, whether you want to

26:45 Speaker 1: call it fate or destiny or you know, the muse

26:49 Speaker 1: or you're calling I think we're all in the right place,

26:54 Speaker 1: you know, at the right time.

26:56 Speaker 2: Yeah.

26:56 Speaker 1: Yeah.

26:57 Speaker 2: And by the way, I think your title change from

26:59 Speaker 2: your original which is like totally disclosure. I think total

27:03 Speaker 2: disclosure is much better. So you definitely are in the

27:07 Speaker 2: right place.

27:08 Speaker 1: My friend like totally disclosure, dude, But.

27:14 Speaker 2: Yeah, it is it is, dude, I have a script

27:18 Speaker 2: about this, this young guy who gets abducted and he

27:23 Speaker 2: describes it as alien st D where you get infected

27:29 Speaker 2: with it and sometimes you infect others because there are

27:32 Speaker 2: stories of you know, people who around people who all

27:36 Speaker 2: of a sudden, especially if it's a loved one, spouse,

27:38 Speaker 2: et cetera, that it doesn't always stick with you know,

27:42 Speaker 2: patient zero. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's interesting that you

27:48 Speaker 2: saw the ORB, which you know Chris Bledsoe is, you know,

27:52 Speaker 2: that's his thing. He's the Orb doctor Orb. He needs

27:56 Speaker 2: a he needs a handle. Other people got handles, you know.

28:00 Speaker 2: I've got mister disclosure and the people are fighting over that.

28:03 Speaker 2: I think Bassett might be the first one and then

28:05 Speaker 2: you got Greer. But anyway, I have a theory which

28:10 Speaker 2: is that. And I don't think that I came up

28:14 Speaker 2: with this, but early on in my research, you know,

28:17 Speaker 2: eight years ago on this, when I would hear that

28:20 Speaker 2: there would be loved ones next to Kraft, I thought, well,

28:26 Speaker 2: that's weird, because does that mean that the UFOs are

28:31 Speaker 2: traveling in the astral plane? And because people will say

28:36 Speaker 2: they've seen ghosts that look as real as you and

28:39 Speaker 2: I like, right there, they will swear that they could

28:41 Speaker 2: go up and touch it. And so if UFOs have

28:44 Speaker 2: figured out how to do that, and these you know,

28:47 Speaker 2: non human n hi's intelligence have figured that out, then

28:52 Speaker 2: it would make sense that you would see loved ones

28:53 Speaker 2: there sometimes. But yeah, with regards to the urban stuff,

28:58 Speaker 2: you know, I mean before I went hardcore into the

29:03 Speaker 2: UFO world, I was very spiritual still am. And I

29:07 Speaker 2: would read books, you know, the Tibetan Book of Living

29:09 Speaker 2: and Dying and and yeah, and I would really like

29:13 Speaker 2: the holographic universe and all this stuff, and Seth speaks

29:16 Speaker 2: all into that, and I find so much crossover between

29:21 Speaker 2: the two, and like reincarnation and everything, and and I

29:26 Speaker 2: you know, from what I've gathered, you know, these orbs

29:31 Speaker 2: could be a soul, and so each of us, you know,

29:35 Speaker 2: we have a soul. And when we die, because the

29:38 Speaker 2: physical manner, energy doesn't die. We know that that's been

29:42 Speaker 2: luckily proven, and so what happens with it, well, the

29:45 Speaker 2: body drops, and then you know, your your spirit continues.

29:50 Speaker 2: And you know, there's a term called a xenoglossy, which

29:54 Speaker 2: is when kids can speak into their language when they're born.

29:57 Speaker 2: They're in Michigan and they can speak French or they

29:59 Speaker 2: can speak Chin Chinese. Yeah, they can play the piano.

30:05 Speaker 2: How many times have you hear about these little prodigies

30:07 Speaker 2: who go up and are playing the piano. So that

30:08 Speaker 2: is a term zeno glossy and and so that to

30:12 Speaker 2: me is residual from a past life. Right, you know,

30:16 Speaker 2: like the James Leidecker story, you know this, yeah, right,

30:20 Speaker 2: and he was shot.

30:21 Speaker 1: Down and he and they found like the the right

30:25 Speaker 1: is that that story?

30:26 Speaker 2: Yeah, the parents were able to track down who this

30:29 Speaker 2: kid said he was and then actually bring him to

30:32 Speaker 2: a reunion where all of the World War two, you know,

30:35 Speaker 2: pilot buddies and stuff got together and by the end

30:36 Speaker 2: of it they were calling him by his nickname and

30:38 Speaker 2: he knew all their nicknames without having you know.

30:42 Speaker 1: Fucking crazy. That's a what like And that's you know,

30:45 Speaker 1: I think because we are so attuned to this life,

30:50 Speaker 1: this this reality that you know, we that we form

30:53 Speaker 1: around us and you know, whether our parents have something

30:56 Speaker 1: to do with it, but you know, we're born in

30:59 Speaker 1: and then we're up thinking the world is black and white. Right,

31:03 Speaker 1: It's it's either yes, no, it's a one or zero

31:06 Speaker 1: it's alive, or it's that it's not until later on

31:10 Speaker 1: in life that you realize how much gray there really is.

31:13 Speaker 1: And once you start seeing the gray, I think that's

31:17 Speaker 1: it's ironic, right, once you start seeing the gray, once

31:24 Speaker 1: you start seeing that gray, I think then that is

31:28 Speaker 1: that is once you realize we don't know everything and

31:32 Speaker 1: there's such it's it brings a little bit more magic

31:36 Speaker 1: back to your life, you know. Uh, And that's it's

31:40 Speaker 1: it's a driving force for a lot of people.

31:42 Speaker 2: Yeah. Agree. I spoke at Phenomicon not too long ago,

31:48 Speaker 2: and yeah, and I do have to say I met

31:52 Speaker 2: Jay Stratton and I wish i'd heard this thing that

31:54 Speaker 2: he just that he said an age of disclosure because

31:56 Speaker 2: I hadn't seen it yet, which is that the government

32:00 Speaker 2: has funded movies on UFOs is emphatically wrong. I don't

32:04 Speaker 2: know where he's getting that that information that intel if

32:09 Speaker 2: you will, but it is one wrong and I don't

32:12 Speaker 2: mean it.

32:12 Speaker 1: Can you can you run that back?

32:15 Speaker 2: What?

32:15 Speaker 1: What? What did he say?

32:17 Speaker 2: He said that that the government has funded before UFO

32:23 Speaker 2: projects like Hollywood, Hollywood films, because I believe what he

32:28 Speaker 2: said Hollywood films. And I'm not doing this to call

32:31 Speaker 2: him out or anything. He's a nice guy. I got

32:33 Speaker 2: along with him. Well, but he's being told this from

32:37 Speaker 2: people who are full of shit. There is not one

32:40 Speaker 2: film that is out there that has ever been funded.

32:44 Speaker 2: Spielberg has never had his films funded. I know, Escape

32:48 Speaker 2: from Which Mountain. They said that they worked with the

32:50 Speaker 2: government and someone came on and gave them pointers and stuff,

32:53 Speaker 2: But they don't fund movies. Believe me, we would be

32:58 Speaker 2: in line there with their hands out of my long

33:01 Speaker 2: to get funding. I wish that was the case. We

33:04 Speaker 2: don't need to do that. The public is already interested

33:06 Speaker 2: in that. Studio is already open to financing some of these,

33:10 Speaker 2: and and independent filmmakers will, you know, make films regardless.

33:15 Speaker 2: But anyway, it's really something that that you you get

33:23 Speaker 2: into and then you you find that because a lot

33:29 Speaker 2: of people like you're saying, well, it's like you say, oh,

33:32 Speaker 2: I'm just going to go and I'm done and I'm

33:34 Speaker 2: just going to say my piece and I'm gonna get

33:36 Speaker 2: out of the UFO thing. Yeah, there's the adverse of that,

33:40 Speaker 2: inverse of that, which is you have people who they

33:44 Speaker 2: have something to say, but they don't want to go.

33:48 Speaker 2: They want more of that fifteen minutes of fame, and

33:51 Speaker 2: so then it becomes idle. Yeah, then it can cross

33:56 Speaker 2: over into what I call UFO carpetbagging, which is, you know,

34:02 Speaker 2: where you're saying things to keep it alive and everything,

34:04 Speaker 2: and so like the dates, when you're giving dates, I'm

34:08 Speaker 2: being told, you know, twenty twenty seven, I'm that. And

34:13 Speaker 2: I was on a panel at Contact in the Desert,

34:16 Speaker 2: and I won't say who said that, but I just

34:18 Speaker 2: kind of bemoaned and said, you know, if I bet

34:21 Speaker 2: on every single date that was supposed to happen, where

34:24 Speaker 2: we were going to have full disclosure, like totally disclosure, Yeah,

34:30 Speaker 2: I could fund all my films based on all the

34:33 Speaker 2: money would make from those bets. It's it's a bigger thing.

34:36 Speaker 2: So when I was speaking at the Phenomenon Phenomicon, I said, guys,

34:42 Speaker 2: let's kind of let's just step back and look at

34:46 Speaker 2: where we're at. And where we're at right now is

34:49 Speaker 2: that we're not very far advanced. And that's a problem

34:54 Speaker 2: because there's two types of advancements that any civilization has,

35:00 Speaker 2: and we keep forgetting to factor the second one. The

35:03 Speaker 2: first one is technology, which is the flashy, look what

35:06 Speaker 2: we can do. The second is mature advancement maturity as

35:13 Speaker 2: a civilization, and we are not mature enough to be

35:21 Speaker 2: part of any kind of, if you will, for lack

35:23 Speaker 2: of a better word, galactic federation. In fact, I don't

35:26 Speaker 2: think the bouncer even lets a stand in line at

35:29 Speaker 2: the Galactic Federation club.

35:30 Speaker 1: Yeah me either.

35:32 Speaker 2: Yeah. So it's kind of like we are best represented

35:36 Speaker 2: as a little kitten who's running down the hallway and

35:39 Speaker 2: its hind legs or running ahead of it trip. That's

35:43 Speaker 2: humans right now. You know, when you look from eighteen

35:47 Speaker 2: sixty nine where we were torches and you know, lamps

35:51 Speaker 2: that you would turn on but you needed light and

35:54 Speaker 2: horse and buggy, And then you go to nineteen sixty

35:58 Speaker 2: nine and we're on the moon, that's a pretty big advancement.

36:02 Speaker 2: But then and we can do great things. And the

36:05 Speaker 2: reason why that advancement happened, which was off the charts,

36:09 Speaker 2: was because there was an existential threat from another nation.

36:13 Speaker 2: So our motivations for things are all jacked up, dude,

36:16 Speaker 2: if we wanted to, like, here's the thing. Carl Sagan,

36:20 Speaker 2: Carl Sagan, brilliant astronomer. He helped design Voyager and what

36:26 Speaker 2: was going to be on that yep, on that you

36:29 Speaker 2: know satellite the Golden Record.

36:32 Speaker 1: I think it's a record, Yeah, the record, Sorry, yeah.

36:35 Speaker 2: That has you know, thank god, it's got a Beatles

36:37 Speaker 2: song on there, Chuck Berry and hold bunch of other things.

36:39 Speaker 2: But it's a basically hello and a zillion different languages.

36:42 Speaker 2: He said, you know, the Cold War started right after

36:46 Speaker 2: World War Two and it went well into the eighties

36:49 Speaker 2: nineties and then tapered off and they spent well over

36:53 Speaker 2: a trillion dollars and they said, look, ultimately that was

36:57 Speaker 2: not a good spend, and everyone's agreed on that. But

37:03 Speaker 2: we know that the environment is fucked. We know that

37:09 Speaker 2: the things that we've done to it are they have

37:15 Speaker 2: a chain reaction that's been going on forever. And people

37:17 Speaker 2: talk about I'm not going to get into all the

37:18 Speaker 2: details of it, and please don't politicize this. You can

37:22 Speaker 2: actually see it, and I talk to people. I've shot

37:24 Speaker 2: in thirty three states and I've talked to people and

37:26 Speaker 2: they're dealing with this. Fishermen, et cetera. The rainforests. You think, oh,

37:31 Speaker 2: that's where all the oxygen comes from, a smaller percentage

37:35 Speaker 2: comes from that. The bigger percentage comes from coral. We

37:38 Speaker 2: are coral in the sea, and we're just trashing the

37:42 Speaker 2: hell out of that because we're doing mass fishing and

37:44 Speaker 2: stuff like that. If we took that trillion dollars that

37:47 Speaker 2: we spent on the Cold War and we put into

37:49 Speaker 2: technologies to help us, we could have our cake and

37:52 Speaker 2: eat it too, no problem. But we don't do that.

37:55 Speaker 2: And so I remember being at Shag Harbor and I

37:59 Speaker 2: kept hearing what they want, disclosure, what they want, blah

38:01 Speaker 2: blah blah, And I said, okay, hold on, guys, what

38:03 Speaker 2: is disclosure? Explain to me what you want. And one

38:06 Speaker 2: of the things was we want technology. And I go, okay,

38:09 Speaker 2: let's let's unpack that you get technology. Let's look at

38:12 Speaker 2: the two biggest technologies that people want. Number one is

38:15 Speaker 2: they want they want gravity, be able to control gravity

38:21 Speaker 2: because in our planes can weigh as much as a

38:23 Speaker 2: car and we can have them flying back and forth.

38:26 Speaker 2: And I go, that's that's cool. I'm with you there. However,

38:30 Speaker 2: we weaponize literally everything, everything, and if you go to

38:35 Speaker 2: get a patent on something that could be weaponized as

38:40 Speaker 2: well as advances, DoD Department of Energy comes in and says,

38:44 Speaker 2: uh uh.

38:45 Speaker 1: Slap the national security tag on it.

38:47 Speaker 2: Boom over right. The problem with anti gravity is people

38:51 Speaker 2: are going to use it to bounce certain people off

38:53 Speaker 2: the planet and maybe certain nations and be able to

38:56 Speaker 2: say we can elevate them or levitate them and can

39:00 Speaker 2: them off the planet. That's not good. The other is

39:04 Speaker 2: the environment and cleaning up. And so I'm a parent,

39:08 Speaker 2: and so the idea of aliens coming in and saying

39:12 Speaker 2: all right, all right, step away, step aside, give us

39:15 Speaker 2: some room, cleaning up the room, and then leaving is

39:21 Speaker 2: antithetical to our evolution. We have to figure out these things.

39:27 Speaker 2: We have to be allowed to grow. There's no shortcuts

39:30 Speaker 2: in life. And as soon as we jack you know,

39:32 Speaker 2: we get everything cleaned up, we're going to jack it

39:34 Speaker 2: up again. That's how we are. So until we get

39:36 Speaker 2: to a place I believe where we're able to treat

39:42 Speaker 2: people mutually and see if someone's hurting, that means that

39:45 Speaker 2: we're hurting, you know, the weakest link or the chain

39:48 Speaker 2: type of thing, we're not going to get there. And

39:51 Speaker 2: so we're going to get little clues and stuff.

39:54 Speaker 1: You know.

39:55 Speaker 2: I always say that, you know, right now, it's like

39:58 Speaker 2: we're able to get to the precipice of a freeway

40:00 Speaker 2: and we're able to see all the cars of the

40:02 Speaker 2: future race by, and those are the UFOs that we see.

40:06 Speaker 2: But may be a better analogy is that we are

40:09 Speaker 2: getting teasers, not even a full trailer to what's to

40:13 Speaker 2: come when we do see craft and when we do

40:16 Speaker 2: have you know, experiences with the beans, and there's certain

40:20 Speaker 2: amount of people that can have. This is the frustrating

40:22 Speaker 2: thing is when I go to UFO conventions and meet

40:27 Speaker 2: all the people there, I firmly believe that everyone here

40:30 Speaker 2: could handle whatever would be brought and they would be

40:32 Speaker 2: cool with it, and they would handle it responsibly. But

40:35 Speaker 2: that's not the one percent that controls the world and

40:38 Speaker 2: controls everything with regards to what gets parsed out and everything.

40:42 Speaker 2: And so until we get to that place where we

40:45 Speaker 2: have proper people, you know, who are in positions of power,

40:50 Speaker 2: who are basically you know, benign and looking out for

40:56 Speaker 2: everyone's good, we're going to be a nation that isn't

41:00 Speaker 2: you know, a people that isn't you know ready yet.

41:02 Speaker 2: But we're going to get there. I mean, that's the

41:05 Speaker 2: good news I believe, is that we're going to get

41:07 Speaker 2: to the finish line.

41:09 Speaker 1: Yeah.

41:10 Speaker 2: But but I'm I'm I know that there's right now,

41:14 Speaker 2: rumblings of another congressional hearing that's going to be happening,

41:19 Speaker 2: and unfortunately he's having I forgot who who one of

41:23 Speaker 2: the many congress persons is doing this. I forgot his name.

41:29 Speaker 2: Maybe yeah, and so, but they're having trouble with whistleblowers

41:33 Speaker 2: because right because of the way that you know, they

41:36 Speaker 2: said one thing and then the government's doing another thing.

41:39 Speaker 2: And so anyway, my point, if I have a point here,

41:44 Speaker 2: is just to say that, you know, we've got to

41:48 Speaker 2: be patients patient as a species, and we have to

41:51 Speaker 2: work on ourselves before. You know. It's like it's like

41:54 Speaker 2: when you're going out. So I was married for a

41:57 Speaker 2: long time, a long time, and and now I'm on

42:00 Speaker 2: you know, I was on dating apps and everything. In fact,

42:02 Speaker 2: I met my current girlfriend on Tinder.

42:05 Speaker 1: That's how you do it now, that's.

42:06 Speaker 2: How you do it. It works, and and so and

42:11 Speaker 2: Tinder isn't the you know, the hookup thing. It's just

42:14 Speaker 2: like all of them, So don't get all excited and everything.

42:16 Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, no, no, it's it's it's ridiculous, but

42:22 Speaker 1: it is the way that that people meet now. And

42:24 Speaker 1: is is it superficial at first? Yeah, you're basing you

42:28 Speaker 1: know it on looks and you know a couple of sentences.

42:32 Speaker 1: But the point is to get that's to get past that.

42:35 Speaker 1: That's also if you're at a bar, that's how you

42:38 Speaker 1: judge a person you're going to go flirt with.

42:41 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's the judging the book by its cover.

42:43 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're swiping left and right in the bar, just

42:46 Speaker 1: in your brain, right, yeah.

42:47 Speaker 2: Yeah. And so my point is that I needed to

42:51 Speaker 2: work on myself, Yeah, because a lot has changed since

42:55 Speaker 2: when I was with this person and after and I

42:57 Speaker 2: found these issues that were coming up. I didn't know

43:00 Speaker 2: how to be with myself, you know, you you know,

43:03 Speaker 2: it becomes this this thing that you can't help but

43:06 Speaker 2: have like codependent issues that you go, oh, wait a second,

43:09 Speaker 2: I need to do this. So, you know, I spent

43:11 Speaker 2: you know, three years you know, being single and and everything,

43:16 Speaker 2: and and so I was ready when it was time

43:21 Speaker 2: to be back out there and everything and found someone

43:24 Speaker 2: who I'm extremely happy with, and so it was Yeah,

43:28 Speaker 2: but I had to go through that. There's no shortcuts.

43:30 Speaker 2: And so it's the rub again is that there's a

43:33 Speaker 2: bunch of us that are out here more than I

43:37 Speaker 2: think that that we get credit for who can handle

43:41 Speaker 2: the truth and and we'ld be able to handle it,

43:45 Speaker 2: you know. And these experiences, whether they're like John Max

43:49 Speaker 2: says that they have a dual alien identity, which is

43:52 Speaker 2: that they're reincarnated from a planet or dimension wherever these

43:56 Speaker 2: beings come from, and they're being abducted because they agreed

44:00 Speaker 2: to this, right, Yeah, And the clues are really interesting

44:03 Speaker 2: because the Beans have said time and time again, we

44:06 Speaker 2: have every right to do this.

44:07 Speaker 1: Yeah.

44:08 Speaker 2: Well, either you made us, you created us, because that

44:10 Speaker 2: would give you the right, or we agreed to this

44:14 Speaker 2: either one, either.

44:16 Speaker 1: One, yeah, And I find that to be very interesting.

44:19 Speaker 1: John mac is a you know, I'm in Boston, so Harvard,

44:24 Speaker 1: and I've had Avi Lobin here and I mean, you

44:27 Speaker 1: name it anyone in this area that's someone. But John

44:32 Speaker 1: is obviously someone I've researched a lot into. And I

44:35 Speaker 1: like what so for for either of those scenarios, whether

44:39 Speaker 1: whether there is some sort of soul contract that we

44:42 Speaker 1: sign and then yeah, they do have the right to

44:47 Speaker 1: to take us if you will, or the other hand

44:53 Speaker 1: is they are the creator and like you said, you know,

44:58 Speaker 1: inherently you just kind of give them the right to

45:01 Speaker 1: play with their creation.

45:03 Speaker 2: I'm gonna pause you right there, not because I'm gonna

45:06 Speaker 2: use the restroom. There have been a lot of talk

45:09 Speaker 2: about the Ononachy. Yes, thank you, Okay, so they yeah,

45:15 Speaker 2: the Onanachy guys was created. I think was it?

45:19 Speaker 1: Was it?

45:19 Speaker 2: Sitchen or Yeah?

45:21 Speaker 1: Well, zach Ryichen.

45:26 Speaker 2: H yeah, and and he a yeah. He has mentioned

45:31 Speaker 2: candidly about it that he was basically taking from mythology

45:36 Speaker 2: that was every bit as credible as Apollo, Poseidon, Hades, Hercules.

45:43 Speaker 2: I mean, all of it was was it was a mythology.

45:47 Speaker 2: Here's the thing. If you come here and you create people,

45:52 Speaker 2: that's a shitty job. Right, You're not done. We're half baked.

45:58 Speaker 2: You couldn't maybetically we breed dogs and cats, dude, why

46:03 Speaker 2: can't we breed out greed and corruption from and insecurity?

46:09 Speaker 2: That'd be great from humans. So I'm kind of like,

46:16 Speaker 2: come on, that's I'm not vague. I'm not buying that.

46:20 Speaker 2: And so my feeling is that that they did.

46:25 Speaker 1: Yeah, so you're not buying you don't think. Okay, let

46:30 Speaker 1: me hit you with something real quick if you and

46:34 Speaker 1: I'm not saying I don't believe in evolution, I'm not crazy, right,

46:37 Speaker 1: I clearly evolution is a thing and we see it.

46:43 Speaker 1: And but don't you think it's a little odd that

46:48 Speaker 1: like we shed our pelts or we I mean, we

46:51 Speaker 1: shed our fur and we stood upright, only to have

46:56 Speaker 1: back problems to need pelts in the winter. The sun

47:00 Speaker 1: earns us. Our biological clock is more tuned to Mars's

47:03 Speaker 1: schedule than it is to Earth's schedule. And we seem

47:07 Speaker 1: like we don't fit into the overall ecosystem of the

47:11 Speaker 1: Earth like say a bee does. A bee has many

47:14 Speaker 1: many a bee, you know, it takes the pollen it

47:19 Speaker 1: and the pollinates the flower. It takes this and pollinates

47:22 Speaker 1: the flowers. Wait, all it seems all we do is

47:28 Speaker 1: like if we stopped creating the iPhone, if we if

47:32 Speaker 1: we just paused everything and decided, all right, technologically we're

47:37 Speaker 1: pretty good. Stop here and and we'll just do maintenance

47:41 Speaker 1: and keep what We'll just keep making the iPhone seventeen.

47:45 Speaker 1: But no, we can't do that. We need the next

47:47 Speaker 1: best thing. It's it's that that constant drive to keep creating.

47:51 Speaker 1: We take more than we give to the earth. So

47:55 Speaker 1: like part of the Adanaki story that that resonates with

47:58 Speaker 1: me is that idea that we were bred for one

48:00 Speaker 1: thing and I don't know again.

48:06 Speaker 2: For one thing? What is that? What is that one thing?

48:08 Speaker 1: Well, if you're going to go by the story, it's

48:11 Speaker 1: to slave mind gold to give back to them so

48:18 Speaker 1: that they can repair the atmosphere. Do I mean is

48:21 Speaker 1: that true? I don't know. Probably not, but it does

48:24 Speaker 1: seem like we are a one track mind kind of species.

48:28 Speaker 2: Okay, so we're a type O point seven species. We're

48:32 Speaker 2: not even a type one species. There's three that have

48:37 Speaker 2: been Again this is this is created by a Russian

48:41 Speaker 2: who had this whole breakdown, and you can look at

48:43 Speaker 2: our online I Want Boy with all the details of it,

48:45 Speaker 2: and there's a belief that there's a fourth and fifth.

48:48 Speaker 2: So we're not capable of any of this stuff. If

48:52 Speaker 2: there is a species out there that can literally come

48:54 Speaker 2: to a planet and it can seede humans, they can't

48:59 Speaker 2: work this other shit out. Doesn't make sense. It's like

49:02 Speaker 2: dropping the ball, like you know what, I worked on

49:05 Speaker 2: it for a little bit. I'm done. I'm gonna go

49:07 Speaker 2: off and do something else that is more important. So

49:11 Speaker 2: here's the thing. The reason why we don't have pelts

49:13 Speaker 2: and everything is that evolution we get smarter, and how

49:18 Speaker 2: do you how does anyone get smarter? Curiosity and necessity,

49:23 Speaker 2: But it's the same thing, curiosity, Oh what if you

49:25 Speaker 2: did this? What if this? What if that? And that's

49:28 Speaker 2: something that we share with these beans. Professor Mitchell Koku

49:31 Speaker 2: and Life Beyond Earth, the newer doc says, I think

49:36 Speaker 2: that they would look at us aliens as being ants.

49:41 Speaker 2: And then you cut to I've got in my interview

49:45 Speaker 2: with Dave Foley actor euthologists. Yeah, Dave goes, Yeah, it's

49:51 Speaker 2: called entomologist, and we have them, and so they would

49:55 Speaker 2: be interested. So curiosity is what propels us. So here

49:59 Speaker 2: we are, we're going along and we can trace pretty

50:03 Speaker 2: much where we you know, go, and we start to

50:05 Speaker 2: make our leaps and shape and reshape and everything. And

50:10 Speaker 2: Michael Masters can articulate this much better than I. But

50:13 Speaker 2: then we we discover fire several times, by the way,

50:18 Speaker 2: we just don't discover it once. And then someone says, hey, dude,

50:20 Speaker 2: check out what these guys are doing this village. It's crazy.

50:25 Speaker 2: We we see it like lightning hits. And then we

50:29 Speaker 2: go hey, and we rub rub two things together, and

50:32 Speaker 2: you know what's that moment like when they first rub

50:34 Speaker 2: things together. Why are they rubbing things together? That's a

50:36 Speaker 2: whole other.

50:37 Speaker 1: The spark literally.

50:39 Speaker 2: The spark of genius. And so we're now we don't

50:44 Speaker 2: have to chew our food raw meat anymore, and so

50:49 Speaker 2: we're now able to cook things. So what that does

50:52 Speaker 2: is it alleviates the space that we need for a

50:55 Speaker 2: real strong jaw line or jawbone and everything. And then

50:59 Speaker 2: it starts to open up our skulls, which allow our

51:04 Speaker 2: brains to get bigger and bigger. And then as we're

51:07 Speaker 2: going along and we're able to fend off for ourselves,

51:10 Speaker 2: we're a little bit smarter. We start to walk more

51:12 Speaker 2: and more upright as well, and we were starting to

51:16 Speaker 2: do that already before fire. And so it's this gradual

51:21 Speaker 2: thing where we're able to take away things that we

51:25 Speaker 2: needed to compensate, like to have pelts because we couldn't

51:28 Speaker 2: keep warm. All that goes away and so we don't

51:30 Speaker 2: need that anymore. So the necessity of it goes away.

51:34 Speaker 2: And the way that evolution works is it provides for you, right,

51:38 Speaker 2: So that's the argument for that, which is why I

51:43 Speaker 2: think at the end of the day, you know, trying

51:45 Speaker 2: because I when I started out doing these documentaries. I

51:48 Speaker 2: was like, there from another planet. That makes sense. Then

51:50 Speaker 2: I love Jacques Valat's book Dimension, so I'm like, oh,

51:53 Speaker 2: they're f another dimension. And then you know, you look

51:56 Speaker 2: at alternate universes, this and that, and then I kind

52:00 Speaker 2: of settled on again the extra tempstrial theory Master's theory,

52:05 Speaker 2: which isn't his alone, but he's He's refined.

52:08 Speaker 1: It popularized it for me.

52:11 Speaker 2: That's where I if I if someone put a gun

52:12 Speaker 2: to my head, if an alien put a ray gun

52:14 Speaker 2: to my head and said, hey, you guys.

52:16 Speaker 1: Get from future, because I and I and this is

52:20 Speaker 1: something I'm really really interested in, is because if we

52:25 Speaker 1: look at where where a tragedy and tragedy when I

52:32 Speaker 1: say tragedy, I mean like apocalypse level, where would that

52:39 Speaker 1: Where would that likely be? And it would be our

52:42 Speaker 1: nuclear facilities, like the the That's that's if I, if

52:47 Speaker 1: I was a betting man, I would put money that

52:51 Speaker 1: the end of our world or the end that what

52:54 Speaker 1: would cause the end of the world ground zero would

52:57 Speaker 1: be some sort of nuclear facility. And it seems that

53:02 Speaker 1: these things have a very high interest in our nuclear

53:06 Speaker 1: capabilities now, whether it's shutting weapons off like at Mie

53:10 Speaker 1: not and Malmstrom and other places, or turning them on

53:15 Speaker 1: and let the modern day Ukraine, former Soviet Union and

53:20 Speaker 1: just other places. They clearly are interacting. So does something

53:24 Speaker 1: happen in our future they're past that they are now

53:28 Speaker 1: trying to fix, whether it's a genetic issue or you know,

53:34 Speaker 1: something else. Entirely, it seems very very plausible and likely.

53:40 Speaker 1: And that's why you'd have arrow right this organization using

53:47 Speaker 1: very specific language. We don't have proof for extra terrestrial

53:54 Speaker 1: visitation of this earth. Well, why are you using that word?

53:58 Speaker 1: No one said to use that word. No, what the

54:01 Speaker 1: U stands for unidentified? Why are you limiting it to

54:05 Speaker 1: one thing? Well? I think that's because and I've had

54:08 Speaker 1: Tim Phillips on and I tried to grill him on

54:10 Speaker 1: this and he just wouldn't answer. That wording is.

54:14 Speaker 2: Very shoots to the nails. Ye feel like a pig.

54:20 Speaker 2: Next time you threatened to shove that.

54:21 Speaker 1: Up there, he might be the one doing it to

54:25 Speaker 1: me with that guy. Yeah, yeah, guys, Jesus, but you

54:31 Speaker 1: know so, so I do. I I've always I've wanted

54:36 Speaker 1: to talk to Mike for Michael for a long time.

54:38 Speaker 1: He's one of the people that's on my list, and

54:41 Speaker 1: of course you know you were on that list as well.

54:44 Speaker 1: And uh, as long as I'm in the right place

54:46 Speaker 1: at the right time, it will have sphabetical.

54:48 Speaker 2: Right alphabetical, youbic alphabetical.

54:51 Speaker 1: I actually started with I'm just kidding. I won't go

54:54 Speaker 1: that way. Uh, but so is that so gunder your head?

54:58 Speaker 1: You think the most likely case is time travel GETS

55:04 Speaker 1: is created in the future, whether it's by accident or

55:09 Speaker 1: it's a subsequent feature of this propulsion system, and they're

55:18 Speaker 1: back here and they're trying to potentially monitor, fix or change.

55:24 Speaker 1: They're past our future.

55:27 Speaker 2: I'm so glad you asked me that, ty, because I

55:29 Speaker 2: have all the answers, and glad you do. I'll have

55:32 Speaker 2: a GoFundMe that'll be up there. Send me money everything

55:36 Speaker 2: you have or you don't have.

55:37 Speaker 1: If you have the secret sauce and a PayPal link run.

55:40 Speaker 2: Yes, all right? So what are the two things that

55:43 Speaker 2: the aliens say the messaging? Two messages that they say

55:46 Speaker 2: over and over.

55:46 Speaker 1: Get rid of our nukes, treat the planet better.

55:50 Speaker 2: No, oh close, you're you're fifty for fifty. Okay, your

55:55 Speaker 2: technology isn't helping you, not your nukes. They never say nukes.

56:01 Speaker 2: That would be funny if they said nukes instead of

56:03 Speaker 2: saying nuclear. Yeah, nukes, Yeah those nukes, man, those aren't cool. Dude,

56:08 Speaker 2: you got to get rid of your technology isn't helping you.

56:12 Speaker 2: So I don't know that that is a reference to

56:17 Speaker 2: nuclear I think it's a reference to these I think

56:20 Speaker 2: it's a reference to our smartphones or technology that we're doing.

56:24 Speaker 2: This poses a bigger threat, much bigger threat than any

56:30 Speaker 2: nuclear weapon. And stop in a nuclear weapon. You can

56:35 Speaker 2: stop a nuclear weapon. We have deterrens to do that

56:37 Speaker 2: to a degree, and with their power, I'm sure they

56:40 Speaker 2: could easily do that, but we cannot stop the addiction

56:44 Speaker 2: that the smartphone is. And so if you show up

56:48 Speaker 2: and it's interesting that they're doing this now and they

56:50 Speaker 2: did it at Aerial.

56:52 Speaker 1: School, Aura, the case is that's a perfect example.

56:58 Speaker 2: Continue, yeah, your technology isn't helping you. And if they

57:03 Speaker 2: showed up with the same message in say the seventeen hundreds,

57:10 Speaker 2: you know, we would be going, as humans would be going,

57:13 Speaker 2: what the printing press? That's not good, that's not helping us.

57:18 Speaker 2: So it's interesting that they're talking about that during our

57:21 Speaker 2: time and in like a full decade before the smartphone

57:26 Speaker 2: comes along, which is two thousand and eight, I believe,

57:29 Speaker 2: and so that to me is the bigger threat. We

57:33 Speaker 2: are literally slowing down in the creation of humans. There's

57:40 Speaker 2: a big problem with that in an Asia, very big

57:45 Speaker 2: problem as well. In fact, there's belief that China is

57:49 Speaker 2: reducing at an alarming rate and that they don't have

57:53 Speaker 2: the billions that everyone thought that they you know, that

57:55 Speaker 2: they did in population, and so it's making it more

58:00 Speaker 2: difficult and so humans react. We're very kind of simple.

58:05 Speaker 2: We're a little bit like still like lab rats, and

58:08 Speaker 2: so we work off of impulses and dopamine hits. And

58:16 Speaker 2: if you can get all of that in the palm

58:18 Speaker 2: of your hand, are through goggles, then what are you

58:22 Speaker 2: going to be? What is the motivator to be meeting

58:26 Speaker 2: someone and having these real life experiences that have their

58:29 Speaker 2: own dopamine hits that's going to be going away. That

58:32 Speaker 2: to me is the scariest thing ahead of everything before

58:35 Speaker 2: we get into the the are they from the future?

58:38 Speaker 1: Right? And you're right like, so it's you know, it's

58:42 Speaker 1: kind of crazy to me. You know, I'll live in

58:43 Speaker 1: I live in a city of course, Boston, and you know,

58:48 Speaker 1: I was talking to this guy the other day, and

58:50 Speaker 1: not to get off topic here, but he was saying,

58:53 Speaker 1: like even when you used to go on like the subway, right,

58:56 Speaker 1: there would be like some people on the like the

58:59 Speaker 1: paper that the paper out, and if they had the

59:01 Speaker 1: paper out, you know, like, hey they're reading, don't talk

59:04 Speaker 1: to them. But it was more social like people would

59:07 Speaker 1: talk to each other. Now you get on the train

59:10 Speaker 1: and everybody's got headphones in and they're looking straight down

59:13 Speaker 1: at their phone, and you know, then comes to you know,

59:17 Speaker 1: so that's just a glimpse into it. But then you know,

59:23 Speaker 1: like porn, it's on the phone. It's like it's like

59:26 Speaker 1: that you don't even have to go out and meet anyone,

59:29 Speaker 1: you just just want. So, yeah, there is a huge

59:32 Speaker 1: decrease in our uh in people having kids, because why

59:35 Speaker 1: have kids when you can play video games, drink mountain

59:38 Speaker 1: dew and then watch the one of the most you

59:41 Speaker 1: know arguably you know.

59:43 Speaker 2: And don't forget hot pockets. You got mountain and Han

59:47 Speaker 2: hot pockets at will at the microwave. That modern technology

59:51 Speaker 2: changes everything.

59:53 Speaker 1: And I used to know every single one of my

59:56 Speaker 1: phone my friend's phone numbers. Yes, she used to know everything.

1:00:00 Speaker 1: Will uh turn left right, you know highway I now,

1:00:06 Speaker 1: I could barely get back to my my house without

1:00:10 Speaker 1: a GPS god Thomas Guide.

1:00:11 Speaker 2: We had the Thomas Guide back in the day. Yeah, Yeah,

1:00:16 Speaker 2: to help us get around.

1:00:17 Speaker 1: Dude.

1:00:18 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's not great.

1:00:20 Speaker 1: It really isn't betting ourselves down.

1:00:23 Speaker 2: We're dumbing ourselves down. And so you know, ultimately it's

1:00:27 Speaker 2: all going to be glasses that everyone's gonna be wearing

1:00:29 Speaker 2: our contact lenses and they'll be doing yeah, and they'll

1:00:32 Speaker 2: be walking down the street and yeah. And the thing

1:00:35 Speaker 2: that is a little disconcerting is that the more technology

1:00:38 Speaker 2: we have and the more that we infuse and imprint

1:00:41 Speaker 2: into our lives, the more we're susceptible to be manipulated.

1:00:46 Speaker 2: And security breaches are happening left and right with regards

1:00:51 Speaker 2: to that, and so everyone every it's big brother. You know.

1:00:55 Speaker 2: That's a whole other thing. But but I do want

1:00:58 Speaker 2: to get back to your point, which is being time travelers.

1:01:03 Speaker 2: We are going to figure out time travel. Einstein allowed

1:01:06 Speaker 2: for that, and whether it's spooky physics or whatever, we're

1:01:09 Speaker 2: going to figure that out. The big question are the

1:01:14 Speaker 2: the present understanding is that you can't go back beyond

1:01:19 Speaker 2: the time that you created the time travel machine, Well,

1:01:22 Speaker 2: that makes no sense. A time is a spiral, it's

1:01:26 Speaker 2: a loop. You can like a record, you can drop

1:01:29 Speaker 2: in any time once you have that technology. So I

1:01:33 Speaker 2: think ultimately we are going to figure that out. And

1:01:35 Speaker 2: wouldn't we go back in time and look at ourselves

1:01:37 Speaker 2: and if you project us out into the future, we're

1:01:42 Speaker 2: becoming bold or less hairy. Our creems are getting bigger.

1:01:49 Speaker 2: I asked Masters in my documentary. I said, well, what's

1:01:53 Speaker 2: with the small aliens, the little worker bees? And then

1:01:55 Speaker 2: we've got the six foot tall ones and he says, well,

1:01:58 Speaker 2: height is an interesting thing because it changed through the

1:02:01 Speaker 2: scarcity of food and where we're at and everything. So

1:02:05 Speaker 2: you know that can be a sign of that fluctuation.

1:02:10 Speaker 2: But we are going to our eyes are getting bigger.

1:02:14 Speaker 2: You know, at some point are we going to need

1:02:16 Speaker 2: the pinky because it looks like they've only got they've

1:02:19 Speaker 2: been reported to only have you know, the four fingers.

1:02:22 Speaker 2: But they are us. We're the fact that we're bipedal

1:02:26 Speaker 2: and hama and they are as well. The odds of

1:02:29 Speaker 2: that coming from another planet having the same thing. I

1:02:31 Speaker 2: mean again, Mitchell kal Kub will say if they come

1:02:34 Speaker 2: from another planet. Most likely the main thing they come

1:02:38 Speaker 2: from life comes from his water, and so they could

1:02:40 Speaker 2: look like lobster men.

1:02:42 Speaker 1: And so well, look at the Vargina speaking of James Fox, Yeah,

1:02:46 Speaker 1: the way that their skin had this like slot, like

1:02:49 Speaker 1: not slime, but this coating on it, and the red

1:02:54 Speaker 1: eyes and then the protrusions on the head and the

1:02:58 Speaker 1: sulfur smell. And then I know Marco Leal who worked

1:03:03 Speaker 1: on that film with James as well, said that they

1:03:05 Speaker 1: had this theory about how they how they used the

1:03:08 Speaker 1: river to actually get from where the crash was to

1:03:12 Speaker 1: Virginia there, and there's all these other things, and I

1:03:17 Speaker 1: agree with you. And then like you got Burchett in

1:03:19 Speaker 1: the news now saying that you know, he thinks that

1:03:22 Speaker 1: there's five deep water basses. I think he just says

1:03:25 Speaker 1: whatever the fuck he wants. But bird shit?

1:03:28 Speaker 2: Is that what you call him?

1:03:30 Speaker 1: No? No, Birchett Burchett.

1:03:32 Speaker 2: Oh, it sounded like you said bird shit, don't Tim?

1:03:35 Speaker 1: I did not. I did not say that, Tim.

1:03:38 Speaker 2: Hey, Tim, did you hear? But I just called you?

1:03:41 Speaker 2: You listen to it? Pay it back?

1:03:45 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not you. I I don't know how to

1:03:47 Speaker 1: throw those jokes you're too you're fast.

1:03:52 Speaker 2: Well, here, here's the thing. I kind of find solace

1:03:57 Speaker 2: in the idea that they could be from the future,

1:03:59 Speaker 2: not not you calling h burshell burdshit. I find solace

1:04:04 Speaker 2: in that because it means that we survive, we were

1:04:06 Speaker 2: able to to, you know, succeed. There's a bite going around,

1:04:10 Speaker 2: an interview bite with Spielberg where he talks about endorsing

1:04:14 Speaker 2: the same thing, that they're probably from the future, and

1:04:17 Speaker 2: that they're like you know, anthropologists, coming back and looking

1:04:21 Speaker 2: at us and and seeing what we're doing and trying

1:04:25 Speaker 2: to gently guide us. But I think that if you

1:04:27 Speaker 2: go back in time and then you go back to

1:04:29 Speaker 2: where you came, you're going back to the same time

1:04:34 Speaker 2: and the same circumstances as when you left. You're not

1:04:37 Speaker 2: going back to a different offshoot of that branch that

1:04:40 Speaker 2: you helped create by changing reality.

1:04:44 Speaker 1: Is to say, yeah, obviously time travel, if we are

1:04:48 Speaker 1: going to go that route, we do have a few

1:04:52 Speaker 1: problems with the.

1:04:55 Speaker 2: Yeah, the grandfather clock.

1:04:56 Speaker 1: Or grandfather grandfather paradox. Yeah, but and and do I

1:05:04 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't even know if that's as important

1:05:07 Speaker 1: for us right now. But more so, understanding the ideas

1:05:14 Speaker 1: and the whyse right, why would they be quote unquote

1:05:19 Speaker 1: abducting us? Right? I think I think that this, this

1:05:25 Speaker 1: future human hypothesis, it does fit very well into kind

1:05:31 Speaker 1: of checking off the boxes of of the UFO lore,

1:05:34 Speaker 1: if you will. And but what would you say that

1:05:37 Speaker 1: means about like cryptids and stuff and and the paranormal?

1:05:42 Speaker 1: Have you looked into any of that?

1:05:46 Speaker 2: No, I've not met a kryptoid cryptocurrency. I'm I'm a

1:05:53 Speaker 2: little bit invested in Is that what you're asking you're

1:05:54 Speaker 2: asking my right, No, it's yeah. I mean, oh, there's

1:06:02 Speaker 2: there's high strangeness that comes with the phenomenon that's been

1:06:05 Speaker 2: going on forever and it doesn't get a lot of

1:06:08 Speaker 2: airplay unfortunately. And so with regards to you know, like

1:06:15 Speaker 2: I said to Masters when I was interviewing him, mi co, Hey,

1:06:19 Speaker 2: how come no one talks about reptilian hybrids. They only

1:06:23 Speaker 2: talk about gray hybrids. Doesn't that help your case that

1:06:28 Speaker 2: the grays would be from the future? And He's like yeah,

1:06:30 Speaker 2: And then he said, you know, you could basically hook

1:06:35 Speaker 2: up with a sheep, but you're not going to get

1:06:38 Speaker 2: a sheep man. So the odds of someone from another

1:06:42 Speaker 2: planet coming here and being able to p procreate with

1:06:44 Speaker 2: us is even more remote, and so it would make sense.

1:06:49 Speaker 2: But again no one says, oh yeah, then I was,

1:06:52 Speaker 2: you know, confronted with my reptilian hybrid, you know son.

1:06:58 Speaker 2: No one talks about that, nor do they talk about

1:07:00 Speaker 2: the mantis, you know, and no one said that there's

1:07:03 Speaker 2: a big foot, you know, hybred out there, which would

1:07:06 Speaker 2: be pretty cool. Yeah, but anyway or terrifying or terrifying.

1:07:11 Speaker 2: So I think that they're from Yeah, I think that

1:07:14 Speaker 2: they're from the future. And you know, the things that

1:07:17 Speaker 2: that I look at, it's kind of like, yeah, because

1:07:19 Speaker 2: I worked on all these crime shows. Dude, it's almost

1:07:22 Speaker 2: like I have to have a mental board where I'm

1:07:28 Speaker 2: taking yarn and I'm stretching it from one clue to

1:07:30 Speaker 2: another and everything. And I look at all these things

1:07:33 Speaker 2: and I go, Okay, they say we have every right

1:07:35 Speaker 2: to do this to you. What does that mean? And

1:07:37 Speaker 2: you try to stitch it all together. But I see

1:07:42 Speaker 2: that that what they're doing is, you know, with the

1:07:46 Speaker 2: hybrid program, it's you know, the at first blush, you go, oh, well,

1:07:55 Speaker 2: they're doing this because we're going to be entering to

1:07:57 Speaker 2: something where we're going to have to change our physiology. Actually,

1:08:01 Speaker 2: before that, we might be saying, well, their planet this

1:08:03 Speaker 2: is this is the narrative ice to hear. Their planet

1:08:05 Speaker 2: is dying, and so they want to continue through us,

1:08:08 Speaker 2: and I'm like, who gives a ship? Why would you

1:08:10 Speaker 2: want to do that? It's like you're going to change

1:08:12 Speaker 2: yourself completely to continue. Well, you're not going to be

1:08:15 Speaker 2: continuing because you're going to be now human.

1:08:17 Speaker 1: You're going to be changing. Yeah, it doesn't make any.

1:08:20 Speaker 2: That makes that doesn't make any sense to me. So

1:08:25 Speaker 2: then it's it's we're not pro creating again. This is

1:08:29 Speaker 2: Master's thing that we're not pro creating enough. And if

1:08:32 Speaker 2: we continue going out and projecting out, then what happens

1:08:36 Speaker 2: is that we become very ancestrious ancestral and uh, and

1:08:42 Speaker 2: we end up needing more gene supplies. Otherwise everyone ends

1:08:47 Speaker 2: up playing the banjo if you're a fan of the

1:08:49 Speaker 2: movie Deliverance. And so it really becomes actually, yeah, that

1:08:54 Speaker 2: we have a bigger gene poll and the best way

1:08:57 Speaker 2: to do that is to go back and take amplings

1:09:01 Speaker 2: from previous like us and chroman, because we have chrome

1:09:04 Speaker 2: mag and in us which helps us.

1:09:07 Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, it would make sense that. Yes,

1:09:14 Speaker 1: the and I actually you know that it would make

1:09:22 Speaker 1: sense to a degree of why generational abduction happens, right,

1:09:27 Speaker 1: because you'd want to you'd kind of the bloodline idea, right,

1:09:35 Speaker 1: is you you're if you find one that that that works,

1:09:39 Speaker 1: you're going to continue with that bloodline. So that that's

1:09:43 Speaker 1: interesting to me. I mean, what what do you I

1:09:48 Speaker 1: mean across your interviews that you've done aside from this

1:09:53 Speaker 1: future human hypothesis, Uh, like, did you did you notice

1:09:57 Speaker 1: any other consistent themes, are patterns or anything that would

1:10:02 Speaker 1: suggest like a structured or interventional Uh. You know why

1:10:09 Speaker 1: behind these encounters?

1:10:12 Speaker 2: Well, it's interesting, right because they are warning us. Well,

1:10:15 Speaker 2: you don't warn someone if they're on a train and

1:10:19 Speaker 2: the end of the tracks drops off into an abyss.

1:10:23 Speaker 2: There's nothing they can do, so why warn them? So

1:10:26 Speaker 2: to me, that's a hopeful message. You say, hey we

1:10:29 Speaker 2: can we're taking your genes and stuff. We need your genes.

1:10:31 Speaker 2: But by the way, just does a solid for you.

1:10:34 Speaker 2: I'll tell you I saw the end of the tracks

1:10:36 Speaker 2: and you need to slow your role now and pull over.

1:10:40 Speaker 2: And so until that happens, when we start listening to that,

1:10:45 Speaker 2: we're you know, it's falling on deaf ears, and so

1:10:48 Speaker 2: that in and of itself is a test for humanity.

1:10:51 Speaker 1: Why not not a president then and just tell.

1:10:53 Speaker 2: Him, Yeah, but what's the president going to do? Is

1:10:57 Speaker 2: he going to come out and say, all right, so

1:11:01 Speaker 2: I talked to the aliens and here's what they said. Good,

1:11:04 Speaker 2: good luck with that. I always like to play a

1:11:06 Speaker 2: scenario out where the perfect version of disclosure used to

1:11:11 Speaker 2: be one of of an example of the movie when

1:11:15 Speaker 2: the Earth Stood's Still, and so you get a UFO

1:11:17 Speaker 2: that lands lands on the White House lawn and this

1:11:20 Speaker 2: being comes out, well, from what we hear across the board,

1:11:23 Speaker 2: they all communicate telepathically, and so that would mean that

1:11:28 Speaker 2: a representative from the White House the administration would come

1:11:33 Speaker 2: out and they would like listen and then turn with

1:11:36 Speaker 2: their microphone to the cameras you know, Fox, CNN, all

1:11:40 Speaker 2: of them, and they would say, all right, so here's

1:11:43 Speaker 2: what this guy just said. It's a guy, right, what

1:11:46 Speaker 2: is your pronoun? And they'd have to find at the

1:11:47 Speaker 2: pronoun of the aliens. Yeah, it could be they want

1:11:51 Speaker 2: to refer to as them are just gray anyway, So

1:11:56 Speaker 2: then they've got to translate that. But there's gonna be

1:12:00 Speaker 2: people are going to say, accuse them of manipulating what

1:12:03 Speaker 2: the message is because we're not hearing it. So does

1:12:05 Speaker 2: that mean the alien's going to have to go on

1:12:06 Speaker 2: an old whistle stop tour, you know, on the trains

1:12:10 Speaker 2: throughout the whole country and and communicate to those people

1:12:15 Speaker 2: person by person? Like what is the reach of telepathy

1:12:18 Speaker 2: if you a stadium, can you you know, reach out

1:12:21 Speaker 2: to a stadium of people and telepathically communicate with them?

1:12:24 Speaker 2: I don't know, right, So there's problems within that type

1:12:28 Speaker 2: of a full disclosure because that's the only full disclosure

1:12:33 Speaker 2: to total disclosure that you're going to get. And so

1:12:39 Speaker 2: I think it's uh a paramount that that we look

1:12:45 Speaker 2: at that that evidence and say what what is it

1:12:49 Speaker 2: that we ultimately want? And so when I think of disclosure,

1:12:53 Speaker 2: it's not a total disclosure, sorry to say. I think

1:12:58 Speaker 2: what's feasible or realistic is to get more footage. It's

1:13:03 Speaker 2: to be able to see than nuts and bolts. It's

1:13:06 Speaker 2: two things, dude. It's to see the nuts and bolts.

1:13:08 Speaker 2: And we have great photographs and phenomenal footage that the

1:13:14 Speaker 2: government has that they're sitting on. That's not debatable anymore.

1:13:19 Speaker 2: We've had politicians who have seen it and have mentioned it,

1:13:23 Speaker 2: and so we know it's there. And the excuse that

1:13:26 Speaker 2: the government has had for not showing it to us,

1:13:29 Speaker 2: one of the excuses is, well, we don't want our

1:13:32 Speaker 2: enemies to be able to reverse engineer it. And I'm like, wait,

1:13:35 Speaker 2: hold on here. Supposedly you've got crash retrieval programs that

1:13:41 Speaker 2: gets these you know, get these crafts whether they're functioning

1:13:45 Speaker 2: or not, and you're trying to fix them, and you

1:13:47 Speaker 2: can't effectively reverse engineer it to the point that we're

1:13:50 Speaker 2: able to get that technology into planes and current stuff

1:13:53 Speaker 2: that we have right now. But because they had a

1:13:57 Speaker 2: whole problem, and the whole Bob blazaar, you know, mythology

1:14:01 Speaker 2: is all that he was there and they were trying

1:14:03 Speaker 2: to work on this in the eighties, nineties, et cetera.

1:14:06 Speaker 2: So we could look at a picture and actually figure

1:14:09 Speaker 2: out how to reverse engineer this. Well, you know what

1:14:11 Speaker 2: if I go back in time and I show my

1:14:13 Speaker 2: my smartphone two, yeah, just one hundred years ago and say, hey,

1:14:18 Speaker 2: they'll never figure out how this frickin thing, right.

1:14:21 Speaker 1: They might get it to turn on, they might turn.

1:14:25 Speaker 2: Yeah maybe well yeah, yeah, but to get them to

1:14:29 Speaker 2: figure out how to swipe left or right. I don't

1:14:31 Speaker 2: know if that's possible, but but so so then the

1:14:35 Speaker 2: question is then where do we where do we land

1:14:42 Speaker 2: uh with that? Where do we ultimately you know, end

1:14:47 Speaker 2: up with this technology?

1:14:49 Speaker 1: And yeah, go ahead, well where do we ultimately end up?

1:14:55 Speaker 1: And you know what, what do you think of? Oh?

1:14:58 Speaker 2: Sorry, I didn't even finish my point. So so that's

1:15:00 Speaker 2: the first that's the first level of this, which is

1:15:03 Speaker 2: that technology. Then then the next next one for a disclosure,

1:15:08 Speaker 2: is going to be the beans that we've got debris

1:15:14 Speaker 2: of humans, not humans, but humanoids whatever we want to

1:15:17 Speaker 2: call them. And so that to me is very uh boy,

1:15:24 Speaker 2: that's that's a slippery slope because once you open that

1:15:27 Speaker 2: Pandora's box, you know that toothpaste is an't going back

1:15:29 Speaker 2: in there. So we're going to show We're going to

1:15:32 Speaker 2: show the UFOs, We're going to show them to the aliens,

1:15:40 Speaker 2: to to humans and have them look at them and everything.

1:15:43 Speaker 2: I would love that. But then do we make that

1:15:47 Speaker 2: available to everyone so that we can be looking at

1:15:49 Speaker 2: the genetics of this, the makeup, and are we going

1:15:51 Speaker 2: to do something with that? Are we going to take

1:15:54 Speaker 2: the alien bodies, and are we going to like we're

1:15:58 Speaker 2: doing with and we're close to it with the Woolye

1:16:01 Speaker 2: mammoth and bring it back. So what we bring back

1:16:04 Speaker 2: this alien? It's dicey, dude, And we're not even talking

1:16:08 Speaker 2: about the abductions. The government's never going to admit that

1:16:11 Speaker 2: there's never a way to absolve them and say no.

1:16:14 Speaker 2: And by the way, why don't the aliens show up,

1:16:19 Speaker 2: hire a really good PR firm and say, look, we

1:16:24 Speaker 2: need some humans for some stuff that we're doing. And

1:16:29 Speaker 2: there's this thing it's we don't like to discuss it.

1:16:33 Speaker 2: It's a probing thing that happens at the back and

1:16:38 Speaker 2: that's part of it. But other than that, it's a

1:16:41 Speaker 2: little scary. But you know, we'll give you a lollipop

1:16:44 Speaker 2: at the end. And are there any volunteers. I am

1:16:49 Speaker 2: willing to admit that there's going to be a line

1:16:53 Speaker 2: that'll go from here to New York of people going,

1:16:55 Speaker 2: sign me up, let's do it. At least I get

1:16:57 Speaker 2: a chance to talk and commune with you and everything.

1:16:59 Speaker 2: I'm good to go. But they don't do that. So

1:17:03 Speaker 2: what does that tell you? They're taking people who, for

1:17:08 Speaker 2: the most part at the beginning do not want this.

1:17:10 Speaker 2: But I've been to plenty experience or support groups, and

1:17:14 Speaker 2: I filmed it one and that's going to be in

1:17:16 Speaker 2: my new documentary coming next year. And I got to

1:17:21 Speaker 2: tell you. I asked them, I said, how many of you,

1:17:23 Speaker 2: if you could go back in time and have this

1:17:25 Speaker 2: not happened to you, how many of you would want that?

1:17:28 Speaker 2: No one raised their hand. No one. And I'm in

1:17:30 Speaker 2: a room of like eighteen people.

1:17:32 Speaker 1: Not a single one which would not do it.

1:17:35 Speaker 2: No, even though it's been terrifying and a reality shattering experience,

1:17:44 Speaker 2: none of them would do that. So there's easier ways

1:17:46 Speaker 2: to get volunteers for this. Well, first of all, to

1:17:48 Speaker 2: get volunteers period would be a good idea. So there's

1:17:52 Speaker 2: all these things are a little clues, you know that

1:17:56 Speaker 2: we've got to kind of factor in the ultimate you know,

1:18:00 Speaker 2: recipe for what's you know, being baked by these beings?

1:18:04 Speaker 1: Right, that's a that's actually I don't think I've ever

1:18:08 Speaker 1: had someone pose that pose it like that. That's very

1:18:13 Speaker 1: very interesting, you know that you say that.

1:18:16 Speaker 2: That'll happen sometimes with me, Yeah, a lot. Occasionally I'll

1:18:20 Speaker 2: say something right, no, No, it is something of interest

1:18:23 Speaker 2: pretty profound.

1:18:24 Speaker 1: Actually, I mean, so your newest, your newest film, it

1:18:31 Speaker 1: zooms out to the you know, the cosmic scale. You

1:18:36 Speaker 1: know what evidence or ideas convinced you specifically that life

1:18:42 Speaker 1: beyond Earth is not it's not just possible, but but

1:18:44 Speaker 1: it's but it's likely.

1:18:51 Speaker 2: Statistically, it's impossible for their not to be life beyond

1:18:55 Speaker 2: this planet. In in the only perspective which came out

1:19:01 Speaker 2: in January, that question I asked the chief Deputy of

1:19:10 Speaker 2: the Test Program, which is NASA's search before we had

1:19:14 Speaker 2: the amazing James telescope. This was the technology that they had.

1:19:19 Speaker 2: And I said to her, and this is a doctor,

1:19:24 Speaker 2: Alisa Quintana. I said, what happens when NASA finds that

1:19:32 Speaker 2: solar system, finds that planet, you know, with a dice

1:19:35 Speaker 2: in sphere and everything or a light credit night, what

1:19:38 Speaker 2: happens then? What do you guys do then?

1:19:42 Speaker 1: Protocol?

1:19:43 Speaker 2: Yeah? And she started to get the giggles and I

1:19:46 Speaker 2: go what And she says, you know, we focus on

1:19:51 Speaker 2: the next flagship technology, but we don't have any protocol

1:19:57 Speaker 2: when it comes to actually seeing something when we do

1:20:00 Speaker 2: and I started we're both laughing. I'm going, wait, what

1:20:03 Speaker 2: that's like building railroad tracks and not having yeah, and

1:20:09 Speaker 2: not having an idea of what how to stop the train.

1:20:13 Speaker 2: It makes no it makes no sense. And I said, well,

1:20:15 Speaker 2: who would have that? And and she suggested, well, SETI

1:20:21 Speaker 2: as much as people bemoan them do have a program

1:20:26 Speaker 2: a protocol. And so now I'm going to interviews so

1:20:30 Speaker 2: Sad shows that yeah, yeah, and ask him about it

1:20:34 Speaker 2: and uh and find out what the protocols and so

1:20:38 Speaker 2: it's it's just really interesting that that, you know, again,

1:20:44 Speaker 2: that's a sign of us humans not thinking things all

1:20:47 Speaker 2: the way through. And that's at a high, high high level.

1:20:50 Speaker 1: Yeah, right, right right, And I know we have about

1:20:55 Speaker 1: seven minutes left. Listen. I really want to do a

1:20:58 Speaker 1: part two with a part two and three and four

1:21:01 Speaker 1: and probably five, and you know I could. I just

1:21:06 Speaker 1: definitely for some reason, when I interview someone, I know

1:21:11 Speaker 1: if I would gel with them in a way. And

1:21:15 Speaker 1: and you're just one of those people that, uh you

1:21:18 Speaker 1: really just you're able to roll really well and spa

1:21:22 Speaker 1: pretty well. So you know, if you ever needed uh

1:21:25 Speaker 1: you know, help with your with your films, I got experience. Uh. So, anyway,

1:21:32 Speaker 1: do you think that there's a lot of people that

1:21:35 Speaker 1: are religious Uh, they have religious ideology. Uh. And and

1:21:41 Speaker 1: you know those people end up in the government, they

1:21:44 Speaker 1: end up in the military, they end up in positions

1:21:48 Speaker 1: of power, whether it's the church. Yeah, YadA, YadA, YadA.

1:21:53 Speaker 1: You know, don't you think by by definition angels, demons,

1:21:58 Speaker 1: what our ancestors called God odds, By definition, that's non

1:22:03 Speaker 1: human intelligence with faster than light travel and meets all

1:22:08 Speaker 1: that criteria. So I mean, have you looked into that

1:22:11 Speaker 1: side of it and what do you think? Well, same term,

1:22:18 Speaker 1: just different lens.

1:22:19 Speaker 2: Yeah. It's interesting because in Life Beyond Earth, the new doc,

1:22:25 Speaker 2: we talk about first of all, we look at meta material,

1:22:29 Speaker 2: this exotic material, and we do a breakdown of that,

1:22:33 Speaker 2: and we go to Caltech. We're not going to someone

1:22:35 Speaker 2: who is a professor, but they're not a professor an

1:22:39 Speaker 2: extraterrestrial material, which is who professor Tusso frontcois whoso is

1:22:46 Speaker 2: at cal Tech. That's all this guy does is he

1:22:49 Speaker 2: looks at meteorites, he looks at at comets material that

1:22:53 Speaker 2: we've had. He knows it better than anyone on the planet.

1:22:56 Speaker 2: In fact, he's he's revolutionized analysis of this technology and

1:23:00 Speaker 2: been able to pinpoint things that others could not so

1:23:03 Speaker 2: we had him look at it. So that's one component

1:23:06 Speaker 2: of that. But we also, in addition to taking down

1:23:12 Speaker 2: a a UFO carpetbagger who's has a long history. I

1:23:18 Speaker 2: don't want to give it, give it away, but who's

1:23:21 Speaker 2: been putting this agenda one of the more crazier stories forward,

1:23:27 Speaker 2: we actually debank it with photographic evidence. But the most

1:23:31 Speaker 2: important thing, and the reason why I mentioned it, is

1:23:33 Speaker 2: we look into downloads. And so we're looking at downloads

1:23:39 Speaker 2: as an example, our space program and the Russia's Russians

1:23:44 Speaker 2: space program, we're all created by two characters, two people

1:23:49 Speaker 2: who believe that they got the technology in part from extraterrestrials.

1:23:54 Speaker 2: And so you can call it muse, you can call

1:23:57 Speaker 2: it whatever. But you know, Paul McCartney wakes up with

1:23:59 Speaker 2: the song yesterday in his head, fully formed, not the

1:24:04 Speaker 2: lyrics but the melody, fully formed. That was a gift.

1:24:09 Speaker 2: I mean, how do four lads from Liverpool, middle class,

1:24:13 Speaker 2: lower middle class neighborhood change music as we know it

1:24:16 Speaker 2: without having some intervention going on, even in the arts.

1:24:20 Speaker 2: So I feel like these you know, downloads and being

1:24:24 Speaker 2: affected and getting this information. It's been coming forever and

1:24:30 Speaker 2: it's shaped things, and so when it comes to religion,

1:24:36 Speaker 2: we can find like the Jesus story has been repeated

1:24:39 Speaker 2: twelve times, this is the thirteenth iteration of it, all

1:24:43 Speaker 2: through the ages, where someone's born in a manger and

1:24:47 Speaker 2: there's apostles and everything, the same story, the Crucifixion, everything.

1:24:51 Speaker 2: So you know, we're storytellers. We've been doing that since

1:24:56 Speaker 2: caveman time, and we've been drawing them on walls since right,

1:25:00 Speaker 2: So I feel like, you know, it's part of a

1:25:04 Speaker 2: rationale for things. Why is there this sun, why is

1:25:07 Speaker 2: it sometimes snow on the ground. Why we look for

1:25:10 Speaker 2: reasons and so until science shows up and says, oh,

1:25:13 Speaker 2: here's the reason why. Well, we got to come up

1:25:15 Speaker 2: with something because humans do not like dangling modifiers when

1:25:19 Speaker 2: it comes to understanding how life works. So we do that.

1:25:22 Speaker 2: So when people start folding religion into this, it makes

1:25:26 Speaker 2: me a little nervous. Loue Elizondo has told me about

1:25:30 Speaker 2: when he would brief some of these people, these these generals,

1:25:35 Speaker 2: and a chunk of them would come up and say

1:25:37 Speaker 2: a few of them would come up and say, you know,

1:25:38 Speaker 2: you're doing God's work, and others would say, you know,

1:25:41 Speaker 2: they're demons, right, these beings. Yeah yeah, and that's their

1:25:45 Speaker 2: dogma that they were raised into. And so I'm agnostic. Dude.

1:25:50 Speaker 2: It's like, show me the money. I need to see

1:25:52 Speaker 2: the evidence and stuff. But I don't believe that, you know, man,

1:25:56 Speaker 2: is you know I don't. Well, first of all, I don't.

1:26:03 Speaker 2: I don't think that that it's possible for us to

1:26:05 Speaker 2: be born with sin. So why we have to already

1:26:09 Speaker 2: be at a deficit that we come into this? You know,

1:26:11 Speaker 2: when I saw my daughter when she was born, everything,

1:26:13 Speaker 2: I look at this pure child and I go, sitting

1:26:16 Speaker 2: will come later. Yeah.

1:26:18 Speaker 1: I know you're right though, but we.

1:26:20 Speaker 2: Have to be allowed to stumble. We learn nothing from

1:26:23 Speaker 2: success zero. We only learn from our failures. They're not yeah,

1:26:28 Speaker 2: they're not failures. They are steps to get us to

1:26:33 Speaker 2: where we want to go. And so because we're tenacious,

1:26:37 Speaker 2: we're tenacious people, we will get there. I have every

1:26:40 Speaker 2: bit of faith that we will get there. But to

1:26:43 Speaker 2: wield any kind of religion or spirituality or belief against

1:26:48 Speaker 2: others is unconscionable, And you need a question if someone's

1:26:52 Speaker 2: doing that, Just just do your own inner compass and

1:26:56 Speaker 2: know that you know that things happen for a reason

1:27:01 Speaker 2: doesn't always have to be the fantastical, and that I

1:27:06 Speaker 2: think at the end of the day, it did. It

1:27:08 Speaker 2: really comes down to that one thing, which is treat

1:27:10 Speaker 2: people as you want to be treated. Yeah, you know, yeah,

1:27:14 Speaker 2: and yeah, and the other thing lastly I just want

1:27:17 Speaker 2: to say, which is with regards to you know, the environment.

1:27:22 Speaker 2: As a father, I'm gravely concerned with where we're going

1:27:28 Speaker 2: and I feel like anything we can do, and especially

1:27:31 Speaker 2: if you're in the UFO community, I believe that you

1:27:34 Speaker 2: support that agenda, that you're not going to ignore what

1:27:37 Speaker 2: these beings are telling us, right, because it's only two

1:27:39 Speaker 2: things that we're really getting specifically that are repeat comments,

1:27:44 Speaker 2: you know, help technology not being great for us, and

1:27:47 Speaker 2: helping the planet. I think if we don't endorse anyone

1:27:51 Speaker 2: who wants to help the planet, then why are we

1:27:54 Speaker 2: following these these advanced beings. Why are we listening to them?

1:28:00 Speaker 2: We should be shunning them. If you don't believe that,

1:28:02 Speaker 2: you should, like you get your UFO community membership card

1:28:06 Speaker 2: thrown out. If if you're uh the belief that you

1:28:09 Speaker 2: know that we're not doing that right, the damage, I mean,

1:28:14 Speaker 2: we already see it in people not successfully pro creating anymore.

1:28:18 Speaker 2: The the sterile artifacts of that is just you know,

1:28:23 Speaker 2: through the roof, it's through.

1:28:25 Speaker 1: And it's and it's crazy. I know you're going to

1:28:27 Speaker 1: get out. Uh if if there's one if, what's one

1:28:31 Speaker 1: thing after everything you've seen and learned? Uh, you know what?

1:28:35 Speaker 1: What keeps you up at night right now?

1:28:40 Speaker 2: Oh? Sorry, it does not. It does not keep me

1:28:47 Speaker 2: that does That would do the opposite, I would, yeah, yeah, right.

1:28:50 Speaker 2: What keeps me up at night is the question of

1:28:54 Speaker 2: what is it all about? I want to know what

1:28:57 Speaker 2: the third act is. I want to know what we're

1:29:01 Speaker 2: ultimately going to be experiencing. It excites me. The what

1:29:08 Speaker 2: ifs a third of my ips, the stories that I create.

1:29:12 Speaker 2: I mean right now I'm pivoting from documentaries. I'm going

1:29:14 Speaker 2: to probably take a break. I've got two more documentaries

1:29:17 Speaker 2: coming out next year, and then I'm going back into

1:29:21 Speaker 2: doing fiction where I can take the things that I've

1:29:24 Speaker 2: learned and I can infuse them in stories and take

1:29:27 Speaker 2: them to the next level that I'm not seeing played out.

1:29:30 Speaker 2: And so Spielberg is doing that right now with his

1:29:32 Speaker 2: new film that's going to be coming out next I

1:29:35 Speaker 2: believe it's June twelfth, It's going to be epic. That's

1:29:39 Speaker 2: all I have to say. But yeah, so I'm excited

1:29:43 Speaker 2: about doing that. I'm excited about taking what I've learned

1:29:45 Speaker 2: and then putting it again into a kind of wish

1:29:50 Speaker 2: fulfilm at situation that is exciting to me. And so

1:29:53 Speaker 2: taking everything I've learned, I feel like I've gone as

1:29:56 Speaker 2: far as I can. And occasionally I still have things

1:29:58 Speaker 2: that me but that that I hear, So you know,

1:30:03 Speaker 2: I still want to be, uh, you know, a part

1:30:05 Speaker 2: of an active part of the community.

1:30:07 Speaker 1: I gotta we should talk, man, I gotta, I got.

1:30:11 Speaker 1: I got something I wrote and it would it almost

1:30:14 Speaker 1: pays homage to your first film. So all your links

1:30:19 Speaker 1: will be in the description below. Both the air movies

1:30:22 Speaker 1: are available on Amazon. And that is the Alien Perspective

1:30:27 Speaker 1: and is it Life Beyond Earth.

1:30:29 Speaker 2: Yeah, the new one, Life Beyond Earth, which is kind

1:30:31 Speaker 2: of a part two to the first one. You don't

1:30:34 Speaker 2: need to see, uh have to see the first one

1:30:36 Speaker 2: to see the second one. But Life Beyond Earth is

1:30:38 Speaker 2: the one that is the most recent one and has

1:30:41 Speaker 2: some has some great mic drops in that as well.

1:30:45 Speaker 1: Well. Thank you for everything that you do, Dane. I

1:30:47 Speaker 1: know you got to get a get on the road.

1:30:49 Speaker 1: So I would love to have you back on many

1:30:52 Speaker 1: I think we have a much larger conversation to have. Uh,

1:30:56 Speaker 1: and I just again thank you for thank you for

1:30:58 Speaker 1: doing this and you know for every and out there.

1:31:01 Speaker 1: Definitely get over to Amazon and watch watch these movies

1:31:05 Speaker 1: because uh, you know you will not you will not

1:31:08 Speaker 1: be disappointed.

1:31:09 Speaker 2: Thank you, Jam, thank you brother, appreciate this is fun.

1:31:12 Speaker 1: Oh man, all right, we'll do it again sometime, right,