#108- EARL GREY ANDERSON(MUFON STATE DIRECTOR): ARE ALIENS ABDUCTING HUMANS?
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I'm gonna let this guy appear tonight. Okay, it's Gray is gonna instead
of Earl Gray. You've got Gray Gray. Yeah. Well, welcome to
Tonal Disclosure across all platforms, guys. Uh. We explore mysteries of the
unknown, from sightings to conspiracy theories. I can't even get through this right
now. Uh, I'm so embarrassed. We dive deep into the ex Just
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moments to be had, I guess, uh with or the Alien Overlords or
the CIA just tapped in. I don't know. You can do a please,
Earl, Earl, Earl. I had this, I had this.
I literally gave the date of disclosure I gave. I gave so much information
in that intro that the public will now never see. But you are the
state director for MOFON of Southern California. My brother and I thought, I
thought, who better to talk to you about abductions? And if they're still
happening, then you, as you are the legacy of Kathleen Martin, who
is a friend of the show. You actually did a cameo in our episode
with her. It was super awesome. For anyone wants to check that out,
it's in the archives. It was an amazing episode. But you are
a part of the Experiencer Resource team and you really go above and beyond.
And the subject I named the show tonight is our abduction still happening. Before
we get into that, I want to talk to you about some of the
stuff that's been going on headline wise in the recent weeks. So let's start
with. You wrote a recent article about the Arrow Historical Report. It seems
that you were a little bit muzzled if I if I, if I must
say no no. By me reading it, I I deduced that maybe you
had some more thoughts. Well, you know, I mean I I do
write a regular calumn for Outer Limits Magazine, which is a uf it's a
UFO periodical that's based in the United Kingdom, and my friend Chris Evers,
he's the publisher, and uh he normally I write about one of my cases
every single month. Mofon. You know, about six years ago they okayed
for me to publish you know, the better redacted cases. You know,
I take the names and all that out. So that, you know,
people are not docs, you God forbid. And I kind of adhere to
hipp A law standards because I'm a retired nurse of forty years, you know,
retired sort of right before COVID hit. But anyway, I was asked
by Chris to write something different this month that my views on the report that
came out from ARROW Sean Kirkpatrick who was the head of that, And I
have friends that spoke in front of the Arrow group and congressional members, Bob
Solis David Shindley in particular. Both of them had had similar experiences where they
had been the commanding officers of military ICBM bases and had had incursions of UFOs
on their bases that caused the missiles to be intentionally taken offline sitting there in
their launch base. It wasn't an electro you know, so I used to
kind of figure, well, maybe they it was an electromagnetic pulse that they
used. No, it was much more refined than that, and the e
MP would have taken out the radio, the computer systems, and it would
have even taken out their their access to oxygen. You know. It was
an underground capsule that these guys were in that was totally enclosed, enclosed against
nuclear war. God forbid, if it happened that they would be able to
do their business, which would be to you know, retaliate to whoever had
destroyed our side of the earth. And you know, if they were successful,
the whole earth would be destroyed. Right, Well, you do go.
I'm sorry to interrupt you, but sure you you know that if a
nuke is launched in our direction and it is confirmed, then we have a
shoot what is it called iron? No, no, no, no,
it's it's it's basically, if if a nuke is confirmed coming our direction,
the the immediate response is too empty because the they basically essentially are saying use
it or lose it. So they are they they launch everything that we have
and yeah, it's it's it's an absolutely Annie Jacobson talks about it in a
mutually assured destruction. Yeah, I have a book. I have a couple
of books. Well, he's great. This is this is what was brought
to Congress. Okay, this is what was brought to the Arrow investigation that
was supposedly open minded. Well, you know, Project Blue Book was supposedly
open minded, and the Grudge Report and you know, kind of goes back.
So anyway that I had. You know, I'm dear friends with Bob
Solace and I'm friends with David Chinley as well. I had dinner with David
when I was in Oregon last year, and we talked about this, you
know, mano Amano, about what their job was and what happened to both
of them. I mean, it seems like our visitors, if they want
to make a point, they do it twice. Right the overflight of the
White House of the Capitol Building that happened in nineteen fifty two, they did
it once and then they came back again. They overflew it again, just
to make sure that it was noticed, you know. And the same thing
happened. You know, it happened in Mounstream Air Force Base, and that
happened in a no Air Force base in North Dakota. And both times it
was it was targeted at the missiles. It turned them off. Not like
you could flip a switch and bring them back online. They had to take
these missiles out and retool them. They were unlaunchable, unusable, And that
I believe is what our visitors are telling us. They don't want us to
destroy ourselves. They don't want they they are absolutely against mutually assured destruction,
which we are still playing with the idea of, you know, well,
nobody gets out of here alive, right, you know, it's Jim Morrison's
philosophy of life. And we all know that Jim Morrison didn't last that long,
and we probably wouldn't either with such horrible kind of of you know,
attitudes about stuff. But anyway, this is what was presented to Arrow and
to Sean Kirkpatrick. And so when I read the Arrow report that came out,
I was, as a brit say, I wasn't exactly well shoved.
I was. I was quite Uh, I was quite angry about it.
I was very angry about it. And so I wrote a piece and and
uh, but but we don't want to be litigated either if it's in print,
you know, I guess that that would be more of a possibility.
So I kind of I I I didn't change my article. I didn't.
I mean, I think that you can catch my outrage about this whole thing,
about how it was all shuffled under the carpet, and and and Kirkpatrick
said that there was no no evidence, no evidence whatsoever that was presented to
him that that uh and and I'm sorry, I've I've I've I've heard the
evidence myself firsthand. I have copies, word for word copy of what they
presented to Congress and to the Arrow the people that were involved in this was
very, very compelling, and I would certainly like to know what natural phenomenon
it could have possibly have been, or what they could have mistaken for you
know, UFOs. When they had both cases, you know, a lit
up UFO, a disc came over the base, it hovered over the base
camp. In both instances, people were huddling, calling down on the radio,
freaking out, Oh my god. You know it's a UFO, it's
a flying saucer. And this thing, you know, targeted the missiles,
shut them off, but left thankfully, you know, didn't affect the oxygen
or the computer systems or the radio systems. Everything else was you know,
just the same as ever. But I don't think that we have a way
to do this. But this happened in the nineteen sixties, after nineteen sixty
seven and nineteen sixty eight, a few miles away from each other. It's
important to note that not only did those events happen here, but after the
fall of the Soviet Union, George Knapp recovered files that this happened in Russia
as well, and it happened to a degree where they almost launched against us,
thinking that it was US that shut their nuclear weapons off. It almost
triggered a world war. So and then there's been I mean, and these
nuclear weapons, it's not like they're linked to each other. To shut one
off is a feat in itself. To shut ten to twelve off when they're
not connected. They're separated by miles, and they're meant so if one goes
down, they all don't go down. To shut them all off and then
turn them back on. And they took these things apart, piece by piece,
and there was nothing wrong with them, not right that well, they
were turned off, but they had to be real that they had to take
them out of the silos, and they had they had to fix them there.
They were shut off, and it didn't make any sense. But it
happened twice in a row, and I think and there was an incursion of
a flying saucer. A flying saucer. It was a disc in both cases,
you know, and one it was more of like a plasma bright red
plasma colored disc. But you know, I mean, we don't have anything
like that. We certainly didn't have anything like that back in nineteen sixty seven
and sixty eight. And boy, I would sure like to know what natural
phenomena that could have been. So to say that, you know, the
disingenuousness of that report that came out, it definitely got my hackles up.
I mean, my original what I wanted to say about Sean Kirkpatrick was kind
of pulled back. Was is a British audience, okay, And and you
know, you can get away with certain words in Britain and maybe you can't
away with here. But my original, you know, description of Kirkpatrick was
was just another wanker in the circle jerk of Officialdom's disinformation campaign. Uh yeah,
I'm still proud of that line. I think it is pretty accurate.
It's not in the article that that got pulled, but now you have it
that that was. You know, that's my new title for this video,
or at least I'm good with it. They can go after me, I
guess if they want. Sam. Sam actually brings up a good point because
a lot of people sing that this is the modern day Project blue Book.
I would disagree with that state wholeheartedly because at least Project blue Book got boots
on the ground, investigated. Yeah, of course they had higher ups that
had predetermined outcomes, you know, I e. Swamp gas and all these
things. And you know Jayl and Heinech later on in his life, you
know, became a believer in an almost nowhere if you will. But I
check it out with his sons last last night. Well I'm hoping I'm hoping
to get his Yeah, I'm hoping to get his son on the on the
on the on the podcast, thanks to my good friend Earl Anderson. But
we'll see, told the disclosure will send him your info. So I told
him you were a friend, so he'll probably But well so, so god,
what I forgot what I was saying. I lost my train. We
were talking about Condon and the Blue Book and that it is it is not
you. Yeah, it's it's definitely more of a Condon Condon style play.
It is not yes, and that before the evidence came in and and with
blue Book, it was definitely messed with and they were definitely, uh,
the gatekeepers of information that we're information, we're not giving Heineken, Valet and
company, the better reports they were, they were gatekeeping those and keeping them
to themselves. So and and Heinich knew this. I mean yeah, I
mean that's why eventually he just threw his hands up in the air and said,
you know that that there is something to this phenomena and these guys are
not are being disingenuous. So yeah, Heinich made good. Condon didn't.
My friend Greg Bishop, you know, he has he put out the Eupology
tarot deck last year that has all these classic Golden Age, you know,
people from Eufology in there. So you've got you know, Whitley, and
you've got Valet and Heinich and Streamer and all these great people. But he
gave Condon and Carl Sagan the devil card, and they kind of deserved it
because they're the ones that lied to the public. Sogan, I would I
definitely think Sagan was paid. He was by the governor. He got JPL
they Yeah, yeah, I think I think he was paid uh to to
downplay and and you know what I'd be I'd be hard pressed to say that
people like Neilder grass Tyson aren't being the same the because it's just like,
so it is so over the top. And I mean, Neil de grass
Tyson goes out of his way to like make videos and put them online and
degrade the topic. He that like, he goes that far, and he
consistently mocks the idea that that we'd be of any interest to any any civilization
more advanced. And I'm like, that is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
And first off, didn't you, Neil de gass Tyson, get your
start with something that was theoretical with black holes? Black holes were theoretical until
they were discovered. Then they were reality. So what we're doing is we're
in the process of making it reality, making it note. So for a
guy like that to be so active against a community like ours, it's just
it's like, who's paying youbody closed mindedness? And it is the good doctor
Heinek said. Ridicule is not part of the scientific method. Uh. But
all these guys, they they they wind up leaning into ridicule. That's their
final outpost, I guess, uh. And it's unfortunate and and and as
far as Carl Sagan goes, and I've talked with Kathleen Martin about him and
She said that Stanton Friedman Uh came into the possession of some documentation that showed
that he was that Carl Sagan was sort of channeled away from his original his
original ideas. You know that Carl Sagan's very first paper that he published in
nineteen sixty two, his first dissertation, was more or less ancient aliens sery.
He said, instead of listening for you know, distant radio signals,
you should get archaeologists to do deep digs and look for stuff that doesn't belong,
you know, in the strata of geology. And that was Carl Sagan's
you know, initial paper, and you could get it online. It was,
it was available until it was taken down by his widow a couple of
a few years back. But that is true nineteen sixty two, that was
his viewpoint. And apparently, or according to Stanton, they told him point
blank, wouldn't it be unfortunate if a young guy like you, with such
you know, potential, if nothing happened for you. And then they kind
of gave him the for JPL if he would divert his attention to something other
than digging for archaeological evidence that we've been visited that that speaks volumes to me.
Also Arthur C. Clark, Isaac Asimov. These were guys that were
vocally against UFOs. That was a problem for me growing up. It was
confusing because my mom, who worked for officialdom, said it was very real,
realer than I would ever know, is how she put its, realer
than you'll ever know. Son. And but then I would read my favorite
fiction writer, Arthur Clark, if the battione of a stupid well, I
happened to have read the correspondence between doctor Jalen Heineck and carls Or and Arthur
C. Clark. Paul Heinech does have the correspondence. It's the actual paper
for letters between his father and Clark, and Clark finally said, he told
he told doctor Heinek. He said, I believe that that what you were
doing and what the evidence that you were finding is very very valid, and
I think that the people that science should look at this. But you know,
I can't say that in public because I would never be invited to another
Moonshot again. And it's there, I mean, I've I've actually got a
copy of that letter that that Paul took a screenshot of for me, and
so I imagine they're still doing that now. I mean, it's it's it's
this funny would maybe they will have to admit that they can't protect the public
from it, and they don't want to do that, and they're things like
James Forrest all falling out of a window, you know, and things like
that, you know, and I think that there's bodies buried around this,
and it's uh, very They're they're gonna have to like tell everybody that that
that was involved, that that that that they'll be forgiven of their their sins,
you know. I guess, yeah, So I understand. I've always
said that there's got to be we got to meet the government halfway on this
thing, because if we don't, nobody's going to come forward with any information
they're there because they're not going to incriminate themselves. But what I want to
do is, Earl. I want to get your because the tonight show is
about abductions and are they are they still happening? I want to kind of
transition. Uh, maybe we could talk about David Grush a little bit later
after the break, but let's talk about your experience and let's talk about what
happened to you and then we'll get into some of the more recent cases of
abductions that maybe you could talk to us about and enlighten the audience on From
here on, it's your show. I'm going to be here for the ride,
and uh, the floor is yours. Thank you. He knoweth not
what he do, but you're given the But yeah, exactly, Gandalf,
Well for you know, I don't. I don't want to concentrate too much
on myself. But I grew up knowing that we weren't alone. I grew
up knowing that we weren't alone because my mother worked for Howard Hughes and she
had actually when I was five years old, she told me that she had
worked in an underground facility for them, and she said that we were already
in touch with extraterrestrial life, that there is an intelligence out there and we
already know about it and it's real. And I lived with that for many
years, and I would try to get her to talk more about it,
and she wouldn't, you know, she signed NDAs on all that stuff,
but every once in a while she would talk. When she passed away in
nineteen ninety nine, I knew I wasn't going to be getting any more information
from mom. And you know, it bothered me because she told me that
it's realer than you'll ever know. And I even mentioned to her, I
said, this is like one of those deep human important quest questions, you
know, what happens when you die? You know? Is there a god?
And is there you know? Are we all in the universe? And
I think that she knew that I cared about that very very much, that
question, and is probably why she opened her mouth when I was a little
kid, because she saw me, you know, I would my safe place
would be surrounding myself with time life books opened up to Jupiter and different planets
in the early Space program, and playing with my space men, you know,
a little plastic I wanted to play with astronauts, not army men usually,
you know. And she knew that. But when she passed away,
that was the end of my connection to all that. And so I became
a moof on field investigator just because I felt like I wanted to know.
I thought that it was realer than I knew, and I wanted to know
and wanted to see what I could do about it. Now, something strange
happens when you really poke at this phenomenon. You find out that it's interactive
and it pokes back. So about nine and a half years ago, nine
years ago around there, I did have a face to face encounter with entities
scared the hell out of me. I asked for it, you know,
I was trying, like meditating and sending out that message, I want to
meet you. If taking my DNA is the price of the ticket, go
for it. You know, you can have my DNA, and long story
short, it worked. If you want to hear the details. I think
there's ancient Aliens episode where I talk about it, and multiple podcasts out there
that I talked about it. What do you mean, Anonymous? Ask?
What do you mean? You asked for it? So you can go The
five meditation thing is where were you when you I meditated? I was in
Burbank, California, in our old house working on UFO reports for moufon like
nuts and Bolts UFO reports, and you know, I what I was hoping
for was maybe, you know, maybe a Valiant four would would show up,
or you know the tall Whites that they would you know, come on
Earth, We're going to show you the universe, right naive? You know
me? But I had just kind of stuck my toe in the pool maybe
six months before, and I was naive about this, even though I'd read,
you know, a Bud Hopkins book. At that point, I didn't
really think it would work. But careful what you watch for, you know,
careful if you stare into the abyss, it might stare back. And
and that did happen. You know, my wife was involved. I mean
it happened over a week time. There were three different incidents, you know.
The first night was me and they came through the wall and they took
DNA. They took lots of blood. It's what they took scared the hell
out of me. I thought they would exanguinate me or something, which they
didn't do. They left me as they found me. But two nights later,
my wife is the one who's shaken me, and our room was still
flooded with light and her you know, what she had to say was was
you need to tell your little friends they need to leave us the f alone.
I didn't sign up for this. And two nights after that, our
house was like God's spotlight came down. We woke up again. We both
ran to the window. It was coming from outside as well. As in
our room, this light with no source, and I found out that this
phenomena is personal, and I was confused. I was confused because I was
very nuts and bolts about this stuff. I tried five on a lark,
and I didn't do it like with a little laser pointer crap, you know.
I did like the you know, meditate and stare at the mandala in
the corner you know the room, and and invite them. But anyhow,
at that time, I was working for my state director here in Mufan thought
that maybe abductions or visitations would happen, maybe very very uncommonly. He felt
like, you know, Betty and Barney Hill might have been real, and
you know some of the class, you know, Travis and some of that
stuff. And I was kind of encouraged not to talk about it, and
I didn't. I mean, I I was bumping into ridicule when I did
talk about it, so I didn't. I would talk. I would if
I had a new field investigator like I was made chief investigation at that point
a little while after despite having met aliens, not what my state director wanted
to hear at the time. You know, it is better now, I
guess he had his own little encounter, but I would I would tell my
new field investigators because I felt like they deserved that caveat, like a heads
up. If you poke at this thing, just be aware, this is
what happened to me. Be careful what you ask for, and just know
that there's no it's not like you're looking externally at this phenomenon through a microscope
at something on a on a you know, on a slide. You become
part of the experiment when you start looking into it. You're entered into this
phenomenon. That That's what my experience has been. And I eventually, like
maybe a year after this had happened, I sought out Kathleen Mardin and and
I was meeting with her for lunch. I you know, I needed to
talk with somebody that was understood this because I felt like my like the floor
was pulled out from under me. I didn't have anything to go by.
It really confused me. And Kathleen was wonderful and we talked for an hour
over lunch, and and at the end of that hour, I felt my
fears were laid. I felt like I like I understood more about it than
I had before that people will have seemingly benevolent visits and abductions. Some people
will have seemingly malign you know, visitations and abductions. Mind scared the hell
out of me. And my wife was not happy about, you know,
for her, you know, I had entered her into this horrible you know
thing that she'd writes for it feels a little bit like that, I don't
know, you know, she's that happy about that. She doesn't but be
happy to not have anything like that happen again. But you when you first
told me your your encounter when they came through the walls, can you describe
can you just describe that night again and what you're what you were doing,
your routine and how it just happened literally like like as if you were turning
the TV on, like it just happened. Because that's what that's what threw
me the most. Well. I had been working on on moufon cases.
I had a case where a guy saw gold star shaped mylar balloon and I,
you know, star shaped my lar balloon ifo you know, and I
went upstairs. We had like a loft bedroom heart of Burbank, if you
know where the Chandler bike path is. We were on that, you know,
so it was not rural. They can get you if they want you.
I went upstairs. I put a bunch of pillows behind my back because
I had I had had a hip surgery a few months before that, so
I felt more comfortable. If I was sitting in a semi recumbent position,
my nurseling go coming up there, but you know, not lying down,
but kind of like lazy boy, kind of wind down, right. So
I'm lying down and the lights are out and the room starts glowing mysteriously.
It was kind of this blue light, or it had the feeling of blue.
It was almost sinneth synesthesia to where the light had the feeling of blue
to it, and it was calming. We had a cricket problem in our
rafters. It was always present. There were suddenly no crickets chirping, no
external sounds from outdoors, no car sounds, no sirens. Your heart of
the burbank. You know, it's a bustling urban area, were urban hub.
The area in front of our bed started spinning, almost like this circular
motion. It was, and it was had a color to it. It
was sort of a sepia yellowish tan color and It almost looked like a little
whirlpool. It was very weird. It opened up from the center out and
light came out of this hole in space. It wasn't in the wall.
I say they came from the wall, but they came from a hole in
space. I mean it was the wall. And I don't think they had,
you know, like a UFO parked outside, because I mean, our
neighbor's house was ten feet away, you know, there's a little alleyway in
the neighbors. But I at this point could not move. I was starting
to feel anxious about the situation. Although it was very, very peaceful,
they kind of run the narrative. Time seemed strange. I was not asleep,
you know, as I remember looking down, I could see my wife
lying there. She was out to the world, and I could see these
little figures coming towards me, and I couldn't move. I couldn't couldn't wake
her up. Well, at this point I had that you couldn't move.
I was like in their spotlight, you know, and it was I wasn't.
I wasn't thinking that way. I was so amazed and surprised and scared
that I kind of forgot about my surroundings, and they came out of this
hole in space. Uh, and there were there were three on on my
left side, or wait, there were three on on the right side,
and there was one on the left. I think. They came up to
the foot of the bed and they acted like a surgical team. There were
there were tubes that they put on me, like large that that they just
brought in with them, and they were taking what I felt was blood and
energy, although it didn't leave marks, and it's whole thing was so messed
up. Energy like life for his energy is what it felt like. I
may have passed out at one point. I mean I felt like I was
stating and I was scared. I thought that I was going to die.
I wasn't getting a telepathic message from them, and this is what confused me.
You know, I'd read Bud Hopkins at this point. I do that
usually people would would there be like a tall guy there that would telepathically tell
you, don't worry, You're going to be safe. And I didn't get
that. They were just very methodical and no communication whatsoever. The black eyes,
the little gray you know, I mean, the oversized heads. The
mouth is like infantile. It was like an afterthought. A slit nose was
prehensile. I mean it was just very like like like half baked, you
know. And they did their thing. They apparently got whatever that was that
they wanted. I was talking with one person that I know, it's kind
of an interesting person. It's involved in some official stuff. And I said,
well, they never took my DNA and she said, well, what
do you think your blood is. That's the purest form of your DNA and
they took a lot of that. It felt like I didn't feel right for
two days. I felt weak, like I'd given too much blood at the
blood bank. Right. Well, they finished this. It seemed like it
took fifteen minutes for them to do this thing. And I tried to communicate
with them with my mind. I knew that much that they supposedly did this,
and there was nothing coming back when they left, It was the tubes
just came off of me. They went backwards the same way they came in.
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didn't turn around and walk. I mean you can't really look away from their
black eyes either. That's the other thing everything that I was watching to serve
on the periphery of where because once you look in their eyes, you can't
look away. There's some kind of magnetic thing that happens. They went back
into the distance. It was dramatic the way it happened. It seemed intentionally
dramatic. The hole in space, it did the same thing backwards. It
spun again, and it went back to a dot, and there was a
TV set sitting there and the shadows in the room. It was still let
in our room, but it wasn't like that brightness. It was coming through
the portal or hole or whatever Einstein rosen bridge or whatever it was that they
used to come in by. It took me a while before I could move.
When I could, I shook my wife awake, and she was angry
as hell, even though the room was still lit with this weird light.
She didn't It was like, you joined this crazy UFO group. Is this
what I have to look forward to? And I just like I. Two
nights later she got got it. But but beforehand, when you first shook
her up and she's kind of disoriented. Actually, let me backtrack. When
you keep well, I was yelling and screaming. No neighbors had to have
heard it, you know, right when you came back out of the vortex,
were you back in the same position on the bed that you left in.
Yeah, it was like I was still there sitting with my you know,
my back was kind of up and uh and but I'm yelling and shaking
her and it was it was traumatic and I didn't know who to talk with.
I mean, I called up Peter Rabbins because he worked with Bud Right
and I'd met him on the internet. And he didn't really know me.
You know, I'm just like some dude that he'd maybe like a post on,
you know, on Facebook or something. But I'm telling him all this
crazy stuff and he was he he was very sweet, very kind, but
he didn't like jump in and and and and start, you know, guiding
me. I. You know, it's probably you know, who is this
guy? And you know, is he want to be you know, Travis
Walton or Yeah. I mean, I I don't know what what Peter was
thinking. But I really fell alone. I didn't know who to go to.
It wasn't really until Kathleen Martin and you know, I after this whole
thing happened and Lisa and I still recall it the weird Week because it was
three nights in one week. And when I finally did open up to Kathleen.
It seemed to open up the world to me. I felt peace about
everything. I felt like I didn't understand it, but I was able to
accept it. And that's where a lot of people fall in line with this
phenomenon which is still active. I'll say, you know, I still have
people, you know, being a member of mufund's Experience a resource team.
And I asked Kathleen when I talked with her, I said, well,
you know this group, I think I might want to be part of it.
You know, this is helpful. You helped me and maybe I can.
And she shook my hand. She said, Earl, what do you
think we've been doing the last hour? Welcome to the ert And I had
to be mentored in and stuff. They have a process. But that that
was how I became a part of move funds wing that deals with this high
strangeness phenomenon which is still active. That I think the motives have changed.
The DNA farming doesn't seem to be as prevalent now. It's like people now
get more downloads teachable stuff. I had one police officer he was on duty
and I had to keep his name and everything, all that stuff out of
the press and stuff because it could ruin his job. He is still working
as a police officer, but he thought he was abducted from his cruiser and
he started getting these downloads at night where they were teaching him about zero point
energy and he was a d student in math, but he was understanding it.
They were giving him the capacity somehow. And I hear a lot of
stories like that, a military that are taken up into a little Earth orbit
shown like nuclear exchanges, and then the entities will wait to see what that
person's reaction is. Sometimes they'll be violent, they'll be angry, hateful,
but some people they react in a compassionate and empathic way where they're worried about
our future and they they're crying and and they're you know, it seems like
people it's almost like this teachable moments kind of abduction visitation stuff that's happening now.
Not as many people are taken for their DNA. Once in a while,
I'll still get somebody that that's happened to, So clearly the abduction phenomena
is still happening. It's just actually shifted into a different phase. If there
was an agenda, the e RT and the data and maybe give us your
opinion, your educated opinion with the data available to you. If there was
a main contender for an agenda, what would your hypothesis be for that agenda?
You know, And we're not told to think a certain way in the
RT, right. I mean, there are people that I don't think,
all different forms of hypotheses about it. But Kathleen and I and it seems
like Sev talk my colleague who I'm going to be doing kg ra's moof on
radio program with in the future, but we both we've all kind of come
to the same conclusions without having talked about them. We know that there are
three things that experiencers are told. Doesn't matter what their background is, doesn't
matter what their political background is, if they're religious, atheists, agnostic,
it doesn't matter. They're all told the same three things. It's a trifecta
of messages. Number one that nuclear weapons are wrong, evil and you cannot
survive a nuclear exchange, so don't try it. And war is kind of
bundled up in that as well, like war is this human thing that isn't
quite understood out there in the greater universe. But we're specialists and apparently that's
disturbing to our visitors. So that's number one. Number two, everybody is
told the same thing. They're shown ecological disasters happening on Earth, global warming,
taking turning Earth into the surface of Mars, and people are given visions
and dreams and this is part of what people experience now as experiencers. So
the second bit of the trifecta is stop treating the world like it's replaceable.
It's not. Stop thinking that it's your resource to just plunder, like you'll
just go to the next planet over and do it again. Uh huh.
You know, there seems to be discussed from our visitors about that attitude and
how last fair we are about, you know, just plundering everything and the
beauty of Earth and this beautiful biodiversity that we live in for our wallets,
you know, and for personal fiscal gain. So that's one and two.
Number three, what everybody seems to hear is is better yourselves as a race
rarasier vibration live on a higher frequency. Now. You know doctor Medics who
runs the e Ert, you know, he's he could you know, this
is a guy who he was an orthopedic surgeon after he was a baseball star,
you know, hot pitcher for the Yankees. He's got base you know,
the tops card and all that out there. But you know, I
remember him going, what is this raised my vibration? What am I supposed
to shake? What are they talking about? You know? And of course
it's talking about living on a higher level that we're kind of living on this
meat level, a three you know, a third dimension, and it's about
me, me, me, Earth is the center of the universe, attitude
and out for myself, and that seems to be adverse what they want for
us. I think that they want to us to see ourselves as part of
the intelligences of the universe. I think that the problem is is that humans
left on their own, that we would create star Wars, and I think
that our visitors are hoping for Star Trek, that they want something where we're
adding to the richness of life's great agent. But I think that humans,
we still have that animalistic thing that we brought down from the trees, that
is me first and what's in it for me? Me? Me, me,
And so that's the trifecta. We see that from case to case to
case, thousands of cases, eight thousand cases that the ert has had and
it seems like this is the repeating pattern of messages, and it's quite simple,
and it doesn't sound like an invasion to me. Doesn't sound like kidnapping
to me. I mean, I think that you know, they were taking
our DNA in case we destroy ourselves. Maybe they'll replant to somewhere or wait
for the radiation to die down and try again. But now I think they've
got the DNA and now they're I think they're trying to get us to save
ourselves, and I think it might be a lot like the prime directive in
Star Trek, where this is our job. You know, they're not going
to come down and land on the White House lawn and turn everything off.
I mean they can do that. They turned off the missiles over those ICBM
bases. I'm sure they're perfectly capable of doing it again. But this world
is for us to learn and for us to become space worthy. And so
this is my personal belief and hypothesis around this. I could be wrong.
I mean, they might be here to eat us. I hope not,
but the evidence seems to point to something a bit more benevolent. The main
course and some dinner out there. Yeah, I would say that they're here
to to the women, right, Yeah, either that or either that or
they are what is often described as the missing link, you know, they
you know, in the future. I don't know. Yeah, I'm masters
as a as a. Yeah, that is a hypothesis. It's valid.
I'm going to get all these people on the show for me. That's that's
I'm just kidding her. No, but can you talk to us, your
buddy, I know, I know you know, I love you too,
and I really do. Can I so, can you talk about any cases
that you've had recently about abduction and about downloads? Uh? Southern California is
I mean, people don't understand, uh that Southern California is the Uh what
what's your rank in terms of reports? Are you guys? You guys must
be up there in the top five, right, we get the most you're
number one? Works? I think it's yeah, and and then I think
it's Florida, and I think that Texas is, you know, in their
close Arizona. But but we are still the top of the pile. And
I think that there's a lot of reasons for that. We're near the coast,
and I think there's something going on between here and Catalen Island. That's
where they saw the tic tac. Yeah. I keep getting cases from the
same area. I keep getting cases from there, same coordinates. I mean,
I have the coordinates from Kevin Day. You know, he to the
photo of a logbook years ago. Yeah, you know, I got him
and and and people keep seeing stuff there. Commercial pilots, uh, camping
on island. Yeah, it's I saw something at the northern tip of the
island. I however, I don't know if it was a plane pointed the
wrong way, you know, it could have been. It could just been.
But whatever, I had one case where and I like to talk about
this one. I hope I haven't talked about it before on your show.
But it's a mertal pilot and his new wife and his brother in law.
They were camping on East Catalina Island and it's late, you know, it's
around midnight. He's sitting there in a lounge chair. And this guy,
he's a commercial pilot. He usually does the run along the California coast,
so he's good at dead reckoning distances, and he knew where he was looking
at. He saw right like ten miles out. It was right between Catalina
Island and the mainland of Seal Beach. He saw a gold sphere come out
of the water, and he said that you could see it. It was
gold like, like bright, bright, bright gold, three hundred feet across,
no markings, no windows. It just came out of the water and
it was hanging there for a while, and it started doing this crosswise dance
up and down. He's yelling for his wife, yelling for his brother in
law bringing the binoculars. Should have asked for the cell phone too, but
they come out. But you know, the time that it took the brother
in law to grab the binoculars and for them to come out of the tent,
this thing had re submerged. So he thought shows over. They're never
going to believe me. My god, He's trying to explain to them what
he saw. They're standing there and it comes out of the water again.
It re emerges from the ocean, and that the coordinates are right where they
saw the tic TAC. They said that when they first saw the tic Tac
from the fighter planes, that it was causing this bubbling motion on the surface
of the ocean, like there was some kind of force field. Whatever was
keeping it aloft was disturbing the ocean. Well, he saw the same thing
happen there. This gold three hundred ft sphere comes out again again. It's
doing this crosswise motion. This time he had binoculars and he said it was
beautiful. It was just like this Christmas bulb, lit up like a Christmas
light, but three hundred feet across, came out of the ocean. It
sat there for a couple of seconds then and then it shot up out of
the atmosphere, never to be seen again, apparently, or at least not
by him. Now that that is one of many many sightings here in southern
California, and that you know, I mean, I get commercial pilots,
military pilots, I get sometimes they'll mistake something like I had a couple of
Navy helicopter pilots that saw what they thought was a UFO. They got it
on their infrared camera. It turned out that it was the two after burners
of a jet, and I was able to, you know, tell them
which jet and what it was they saw. So we're really really careful.
And you know, you can't use a scientific method because it can't repeat an
experiment in uphology, but you can have scientific principles and be very careful in
that area. I've had boat captains with their entire crew again, you know,
they saw they thought they saw the full moon in the sky and they
realized it was a quarter moon and it was over here, you know,
and they're being hovered again by this gigantic spherical unmarked craft, you know,
like huddling and a freight on the decks. Captain and a couple of crewmates
spoke with me. I could tell you about guys on aircraft carriers that have
seen similar stuff. One one case that wasn't in southern California. I'll go
into later. But here in southern California, I think that we have all
the aerospace stuff right Lockheed skunk Works and Scared three different facilities. I know
of Plant forty two Port Wine, there's one at Edward's right, they're all
all three of those. We have under ground bases. I know about the
ant hill that Northrop has. Should I talk about that? Kill me?
I know about you know, there's a lot of stuff going on here Edwards
and then Area fifty one. Of course S four is right over the Nevada
border from US, and that's like so it's seems to be a hot spot.
We got Catalina Islands, all traffic going on there. Channel Islands where
I had another flight crew put in a report last year, and the same
flight crew had a sighting on the way to Hawaii back in two thousand and
five. I think it was I got there. I have that case too,
and photos of the flight log with all their signatures and drawing a three
flying saucers on the flight log because they were flying into Hawaii and they watched
the three flying saucers two hundred feet across each going a triangulated pattern, holding
pattern, sat there just kind of like hi, hello, like the shire
cat right, you know, and then suddenly they shot down below the horizon
line the limb of the Earth which they could see from that, you know,
high altitude that they were at. But it's a hot spot here.
Lots and lots and lots of very very serious cases to come in and people
that get aducted and visited that some of them you would you know, federal
legends and stuff like that that I can't tell you who they are, but
for basis for you, So what what do you think that there's any credibility
to the idea that hybrids exist and may be walking among us. I hope
so passion. I think that they're trying to I think that part of the
agenda. And this is just a personal opinion, okay, but I hear
from people that the evidence seems to point this way. People that are serious
people that I know that you know, we're talking doctors, scientists, and
you know people would you know, parents of the judicial system and stuff like
that, believe that they're hybridized. And some of them, you know,
have weird stuff like you know, prehensile tales that were cut off at birth.
You know, our knowledge that they could have or abilities. And my
feeling is is that perhaps some of the DNA farming that was going on was
try to create less warlike human that's maybe more like them, that's maybe going
to be closer to being able to help people understand that we are a risk
to ourselves. You know, I'll change my attitude as soon as you know,
a UFO comes and threatens us with nuclear weapons. Okay, I'll yes,
I'll cry uncle, because that is not what happened. Currently, human
against human. Yeah, currently we are the aggressors. Yes, we chase
after UFOs and try to shoot them down. The Iranian case is proof of
that. The Russian cases are proof of that. The Russians after George Knapp
also brought these files back that said that the Russians shot upon these things,
they kinetically engage these things, uh for a while, and then said stop
because they had lost up to twelve pilots, and said they put out a
memo saying that these things have incredible, incredible capacity for retaliation. Do not
but they haven't, really they but they will, they will protect themselves,
but they haven't ever attacked us. Now there are cases like there's the you
know there, there's the one in Brazil, the Coolari's case, and there's
some other cases that are out there that appeared more human, it sounds very
human, little shoot laser beams that the towns people right in the little village
in the middle of nowhere. And then now the recent thing that's been coming
from uh Peru where they look to like, yeah, where it looked like
green goblin flying on a you know, anti gravity surferboard type of hoverboard.
Yeah yeah. And this again, you know, apparently the girl that they
tried to take and they failed. And I'll tell you, I don't think
that, you know, if et is going to abduct you, they're not
going to fail. They're going to get you. Okay, this girl,
I know, Well, they grabbed the girl and they're trying to take her
away on this hoverboard out of Back to the Future. And the guy failed,
you know, the little girl was able to fight him off. And
she said that she heard the two entities arguing, and one was arguing in
like bad Spanish with an American accent, and the other guy was speaking in
Spanish. So this sounds like to me like an op And I don't believe
that that's our visitors, you know, I don't think that they're going to
speak in any language. They speak telepathically. Actually, he beat me to
the point, do you think that do you think that my labs exist?
I think that's probably a human thing. I think they're well yeah, the
copying, yeah yeah, well well even you know, it goes back to
it. And I you know, apparently there was that warning that Werner von
Braun gave be whaere the military industrial complex, and and I think that I
think that perhaps this is us trying to blame something on our visitors that we're
doing ourselves. I mean, I believe that we have probably I hope after
seventy some years that we've had some success and reverse engineering some of this technology.
And of course, you know Nikolay Tesla and the h and Townshend Brown
was working with with anti gravity ideas way back in the nineteen forties. So
you know, I think that we probably have a capacity now where we could
falsify alien type stuff like that. And maybe they want to blame it on
the ETS so they can keep doing their bad stuff. That's my feeling.
I mean, maybe there's bad etis that are working with the military. I
can't explain my labs really, but that's my Yeah, no, you don't.
You don't have to. You don't have to, honestly, So I
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or on the screen. H. All right, so we're back and now
we're exclusively on YouTube and rumble, so hopefully H people come back over here
and onto the YouTube. Uh that is the game plan. So we had
over three hundred people watching. And I hate yeah, I hate to.
I hate to take it off of H. But Twitter just doesn't. They
don't do anything for content creators. It's just it's it's you know, you
hate to do it, but it is what it is. Anyway, we're
talking about certain cases and US engaging UFOs and how they don't. They won't.
They won't engage us because for some reason, and it seems do you
think that it is it is benevolence or indifference, because there is a difference.
There is a fine line between the two. I like to well,
okay, free will, we have it. Sometimes it goes out of control,
that's probably, but there is free will. And and if you look
at humanity, you know, people will say about ets, they'll call a
whole race evil, right, And you can talk to Barbara Lamb and she
can kind of set you straight on that. You know, she had like
this wonderful tete a tete with this tall reptilian that manifested in her living room
and they had a long conversation because she was confused. You know, she'd
been watching David Ikey and you know, had people that had that question.
But I think that that there's probably bad actors out there. We have our
pirate, you know, our Robert Barons and our pirates to this day and
unfortunately, but from what I see, I do think that the benevolence,
that the benevolent entities seemed to be in charge because here we are, it's
you know, seventy what seven years as well now and and here we are
we're still our own greatest threat. I'll go back to that again, that
that uh, you know, we have never had a threat from ets.
Uh mutilation cases. I'm seeing that pop up. Well, I don't know,
we mutilate cows too. It always seems to happen in areas where there's
where that where where it's downwind of our nuclear test sites. Right, So
yeah, maybe they're checking. Maybe they're checking for for you know, how
bad we've destroyed our atmosphere, and and a cattle mutilation is another mammal and
you know, and and we eat them, so so that that would be
my explanation for cattle mutilations, right, so, uh and for us humanumations
go, you know, I mean, okay. The closest thing to that
I've heard is the Peruvian thing that's going on where they're trying to take the
faces off this little girl that they were unsuccessful in abducting. Said that these
guys that were speaking and speaking in broken Spanish, that they tried to take
her face off. It almost sounded like an organ collection, like like they
were trying to like there were some bad, bad people that were doing some
bad stuff for possibly rich people that can afford that sort of thing. I
don't know, face transplant, you know, but but maybe that's where it's
coming from. And these guys are you know, there's just some bad wing
out there in government or above government, uh, private sector world where you
know where where they're they're doing this stuff and trying to blame it on our
visitors. But so far, I haven't seen any human mutilation stuff I've heard
anecdotes about people seeing limbs and flying sizers, and I don't know how to
address that. All I really have to go by is the cases that I've
had, and and there's a lot of them, and it seems like they're
trying to understand our worldlike nature, the duality of mankind of humankind, where
we're able to write love sonnets and symphonies and and you know, we gave
the universe the Beatles and bach and and Picasso and Rembrandt, and yet here
we are, at this late stage in our you know, evolutionary development,
and we're still our worst enemy. It's like the old Pogo cartoon by Kelly.
We've seen the enemy and he and and I think that that, you
know, I have that cartoon over here, you know, because it's for
me. It reads true. Uh. And I think that there is a
concerned friend. Uh. I do think that probably the benevolence are in charge,
because here we still are. But but are there, you know,
are there pirates and robber barons and you know, in the cosmos. Other
than that's probably probably just gotta be got to it. But I don't think
that, yeah, there's got like it. The it's yin and yang with
positive comes negative. Right, It is like from the cosmic scale down to
the molecular scale, there's uh an equal and and uh or uh uh an
action and an equal or opposite. Right, it's it's good evil that you
name it. There's there's just this, there's there's gotta be there's one in
any other and without one, it's it's the scales too heavy on one side.
So you know, I think I think with one comes the other.
And you know with the human race, we see this. Uh, most
of us just want to to get through the day. We just want to
you know, we we we we hold the doors for for people. We
we smile where we're engaged, but we have our bad days, right yeah.
Yeah, but there are people who wake up and they're just like they're
evil and they're master manipulators and they're they just they're out for themselves. So
you know, we we see this on our on on on human scale.
So I I but what I was getting to, I mean dolphins and whales
and we're learning to communicate possibly with them, right, Well, what I
was what I was getting to, we have to go by what do you
and yah at all? Gandhi's you know, yeah, sorry, I think
there's a little delay in the audio. You're cutting in and cutting in a
little bit. But the someone brought it up earlier. What did you what's
your take on this? Uh? So, David Grush to talk about an
agreement with non human intelligence to your best uh, to your best knowledge?
What would you would you? Would you say that that leans more towards like
you know, a technology switch or like you know, you guys can take
refuge in the ocean, you know, and and operate in these areas and
uh do this and we want this. Do you think that that that could
be? I think it could be. And some people say Eisenhower had that
meeting and that you know, I mean, how do you disagree with any
kind of agreement when you're dealing with the technology that maybe thousands and maybe even
a million years you know, more advanced than your own. So I'm sure
that he probably had to come up with some kind of an agreement, if
that's true. But you know, I mean I can't be to power on
that. The stories are out there and even his granddaughter is out there and
talks about it, but you know, I don't have, like, you
know, the material to go by in front of me to say this happened.
But that is definitely a story you hear out there. It makes sense.
I mean, there's that wonderful book about Jackie Gleeson and Richard nexton Paul
what's his name, Paul Smith. I think it is right that the author
of God, he's going to be mad at me. But but if you
go and look, you know, put put UFOs and Nixon and you and
and and Jackie Gleason in into the Google machine, it'll it'll come up.
Uh. I think that, uh, you know, there have been presidents
that have certainly known about this. Uh. The word is that perhaps not
all presidents are read into this now because uh, it's thought of more as
a temporary job, maybe just a warrior job, right, So I think
they may more careful about how much they tell. But back then, I
think he probably knew the whole thing. They're absolutely, absolutely the temporary employees.
They're attempts, and that's how the bureaucrats see them. And that's why.
And and especially if you're a president who is not willing to go along,
you know, if you're not a sociopath, if they don't, you
know, I'm sure they assess them, uh, you know, once they're
in office, you know, the the bureaucrats that that that surround themselves with
the you know, with the with these high ranking people, assess them.
And is the associopath? Will he go along with the narrative? Will he
keep his mouth shut? All right? No, then he's not going to
be right into anything. Keep keep him on a need to know basis and
barely on that. And and I really think that's how I think that's probably
the way it is. I think so too, yeah. Uh. And
the people that know you know, I mean, it's so compartmentalized now,
And I think do you think that the military is do you think that the
right gatekeepers for this stuff? I don't question that very deeply now. I
mean I think there should be an organization apart from the military that that is
dealing with us. That's not because the military, of course, it's all
about it's about thread assessment and how might we, uh you know, how
might we exploit this resources as weaponry against our enemies? And and that's not
diplomacy, that's not looking with an eye to the future and where we might
actually be able to evolve to as a speech ourselves it's very pretty a nuts
and bolts attitude towards a nuts, very nuts and bolts phenomenon. You know,
it definitely has it's nuts and bolts to it. Yeah, you know,
there's this whole other element to it. You know. It reminds me
of the movie, Uh, the movie Arrival by uh my my my buddy,
Uh Denny Villain done Denny villaneuva. Uh. He did an amazing job
at that film with uh you know just how how the you know how it
was the military and you know the the theme and and and what to take
away from that film is when we go in with a shoot first, ask
questions later mentality, we are going like that. That is not a civilization
that that is that is honestly ready to advance. It's not if that's who
we are. We need to be going in there with a diplomat with with
doctors. If something crashes, there should be a doctor that and a team
of people that are are sent in that know how to handle uh situations like
this. Uh if we know how to retrieve you know, I if crash
or people programs exist and we know what's going on, you know that we
shouldn't be going in with with with military assets. We should be going in
with with first aid and and and and THEMA style, like let's save them
and and hopefully create some sort of relationship with them, like they try to
come here. It's it's it's crazy to me that that and and we saw
this with Sadly We're gonna get a banner on a banner on this video now.
But we saw with COVID that it was immediately politicized. It's it's and
and and and militarized it and so uh, it's just everything is taken and
militarized, and it's for so we do. It's all a game, you
know, It's like the football game where you know who's going to win.
But the problem with this is is that it's about human survival. It's about
us becoming you know, better humans. I mean, I don't think that
this is the finished product. I think that we have a ways to go
and and right now, if we were let out into the universe, I'm
afraid that we would just see the behavior that we see humans doing on the
globe. It would just be exponential be out there. And I can understand
why there would be concerned about letting that out. There, you know.
I mean it's uh, but but I think that if we uh that if
we show good faith with what we have and and that we can can advance
as a species, become better humans. I mean, that's what I'm all
about, I guess is my if I have a mission, you know,
I feel like we can be better humans, so that this is the wedge
issue that will be able to push us to that point that that that we
will be you know, we will be space worthy someday, but right now,
we're not ready for prime time kids, you know. I mean,
I'm afraid that if we get to Mars, it's going to become like like
Mars is going to wage war against Earth and it won't be Martians, it'll
be Earthlings and gone to Mars. I mean, I can just human nature
and this is our train and you're not gonna you know, we're going to
do it our way. And it's just that there's a whole lot of good,
good interaction between people in this world and to bring it out into a
greater scale. I can see why there's concern in the cosmic realm. I
think we can. I don't think that their first roadie and I think they've
seen similar scenarios like our own. You know, if if we look at
the stars at night, you know, just go out to a desert vista
and and look up and and and you're not seeing the whole picture even then.
You know, Now with the James Webb telescope, you're we're getting a
little bit better. Yeah, it's just like every grain of sand. Uh.
So I don't believe that we're the first rodeo here. And and uh
and hopefully they they they know our type well enough and their patients as such
that that we can join that great star trek reality that I think is actually
I think it is. Yeah, I think it is. And I think
it's so where we just have to reach our hand out and accept the invitation.
And currently we we are not ready and are are we haven't raised our
vibration consciously and and uh do you think you know the one one last thing
before I let you go and and talk to us, I want you to
tell us about what you have coming up and what you have going on.
But do you think that that they're possibly not letting us you know, because
people ask why haven't we been back to the moon, Why haven't we you
know, why hasn't there really been any space aside? I can't tell you
for sure. It's above by by pay grade. And and they aren't saying
but you know, I guess, well, could they be keeping us?
Could they be keeping us from maybe maybe maybe fleet them? Interesting that I
don't know the answer, but it's well, stility, we went before,
I mean we did. We're not a not a moon landing deny, right,
you know we we You know, Rocketdyne was twenty miles away from my
home growing up, and you'd hear those Saturn five rockets reving up. They
were doing the tests there, twenty miles away from us, and you know,
yeah, where did this rocket? Yeah no, And you know,
I mean, come on, they saw stuff up there, I mean astronauts
stuff. Yeah, absolutely they were seen and still do apparently apparently they were.
They were so it was so prevalent that it was a part of just
like an everyday thing like oh there are neighbors. Yeah, but tell us
I'm in July, I'm going to be out of symposium and exus that you're
going to be at. Tell us more about yeah, man, tell us
more and and I'm gonna be doing because the YouTube channel is right now.
I'm filming my first documentary. But after this, we're gonna be doing what
I call profiles on people in ufology, and we're gonna follow a person around
each you know, uh, follow each person around for a day day in
the life of that person. And you've agreed to be one of the first
few that I do this with. So I'm super I'm super excited about that.
And uh so I announced, Yeah, I'm announcing that now. And
Mario Woods is another one. So it's gonna be really cool. And I'm
working with Dan Zetterstrom from that UFO podcast on these projects, so it's going
to be an amazing quality and it's just gonna be amazing. So I'm going
to be You're gonna be busy at the Muffin Symposium in July. Yeah,
tell me about you Sure, I have one event that we're doing it that's
on the Friday. I don't have the date sitting near in front of me,
but it's mid July. Where I've got it's gonna be called UFO's Next
Generation. I've got Geraldine Stith, who is one of the Hopkinsville Kelly Hopkinsville.
She's the daughter of the main witness of that whole event, and she
grew up hearing those stories in that same house. Uh And and she's an
authority on that strange, strange alien incursion on their farm. There was also
I also have I have Kenneth Arnold's granddaughter, Chanelle Shans, who's going to
be talking about her grandfather's sighting at Mount Rainier, the first flying saucer sighting.
He coined the term flying saucer, but it was And I also have
an expert. Yeah, they were, they were. They were crescent shaped.
But he said that they threw a saucer on the water. They the
way they move, they skipped. I also have Daniel Allen. I'm sorry,
Daniel, I'm messing up your name, but he is Jim Mar's old
protege and they were working on a book about the Aurora, Texas UFO crash
from eighteen ninety seven. I would have each one of them give a podium
lecture, a short lecture, and then we're going to reconvene around a round
table and do UH and do a conversation about how to understand the UAP of
today. You have to understand the UFO of yesteryear, and that no matter
how official the may want to rebrand this phenomenon, it's it's the same phenomenon,
and it's been with us for years and and probably centuries and maybe forever,
and and that's my my feeling, and so that's but that's where we're
going to go with us, and there will be a question to answer thing
at the end. Also on Sunday night at the symposium, we have the
best of the e ERT where we're going to sure five of the very best
experience resource teams, very best cases along with witnesses the original the original investigator
investigated cases. One of those cases will be the now famous Jack Rabbit case.
I guess I can mention Susan Alloway because she's gone public and she will
be there and as well as the police detective field investigator that I assigned that
case too, So I'll be part of both of those. I'll also be
talking about the experience or resource team at the MUFAN boot camp on Thursday.
Be there or where it's the place to be for if you want to know
about this phenomenon this summer in July, Dallas, Texas. For Also,
I've got a new TV show that just came out that you can get on
on amp on Prime. That's called the Alien Disclosure Files. I'm on the
last six episodes as the main UFO authority authority. And I'm also on Steve
Bassett's new show, Paradigm Shift that just came out yesterday and if you if
you go and google that, it'll pop up. So very very busy,
very thrilled. And one more, one more thing to say, sev Talk
and myself, both of us are Kathleen Martin's mentees. She she mentored both
of us. We are the new hosts for k r G A is moufon
Radio. Uh. It's it's now called moufon Contact Radio. And we will
be prepared premiering on April second on k g R A uh and our first
guest will be Kathleen Martin. So that's my world in a nutshell for you.
I would love to come on that show. I've had both of you
on on on year, So if you're ever well, I may have like
a I may have a podcaster's panel show. Yeah that would be around.
Yeah, we can do that. I can do that. So but you
and I have plenty. You and I have plenty in the works, and
we're both in the hd A and we're you know, we're talking and I
love it, I really do. I love it. It's a great way
to UH to network. Yeah. Great guys, great great friends. Great
friends too, guys. So to everybody. Yeah, and thank you so
much for being on the show tonight. Earl. You are, like I
said a busy man, State director of Southern California, move on the mutual
UFHO network where you if you see a UFO you can report it at move
on dot com. Yeah, report your UFO sightings, guys, because that's
how we collect data and that's how we gain an understanding. So if you
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