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All right, guys, welcome back to Total Disclosure. I'm super happy today.
I'm joined by one of my good friends colleagues in the field, and
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said, let's get this party start. Welcome Vinnie, Welcome, Welcome,
Welcome, Hey, good to see it's hi. How you doing man?
No, I had a couple of fumbles on the on the intro there the
Yeah, it's just it's right now, as you know, as we're recording
this, that Peruvian Mummy conference is going on. So I'm also like,
you know, keep my eye on that. And also you know, it's
it's it's it's a bit, it's a big. A lot of stuff has
been happening in the UFO world lately. It seems like it's all like dropping
at once. Do you find that to be convenient convenience or is everyone just
like, let's capitalize on the timing. Yeah, I think I don't think
it's planned or anything. I think it just these things come around and they
overlap, all those things happening all at once. I don't it's just coincidental.
In my opinion, I try not to get to conspiratorial when things,
you know, maybe sort of look like they come in from a certain planned
direction. I just see it as it's just the way it goes sometimes.
Yeah, And and honestly, if if you don't mind, what do you
think of these of those mummies, of that whole scenario, because it's not
the first time they've been rolled out. Uh, people forget that this is
you know, this is something that was rolled out years ago as well.
You know, I think I can't remember exactly, but High High Mussan seems
to be deeply involved in this, and as we know, sometimes Hymie's quick
to put things out. So what's your perspective on all of it? Yeah,
Homi Mussan doesn't have the greatest track record with these types of things.
And we saw something similar at the was it the Mexican Congress Congress Cambra,
Yeah, and they rolled out these bodies claiming to have had some scientific analysis
done on them back at the time. But with anything like this, it's
surely it's better for them to sort of get the work done behind the scenes,
get it even peer reviewed, get some multiple scientists from you know,
separate places to put, you know, to corroborate this these bodies wherever they
are, whatever they come from, because they unveil them, claiming their alien
mummies. But then, you know, two months down the line, we've
got other scientists refuting the data, and it just seems to be this ever
revolving, you know, it's yeah, and I strug to take it seriously.
I mean, I keep my eye on what's happening just out of curiosity.
Yeah, of course, but you know it's just I'm always just geared
up to be let down yet again by anything that HARMI mus Son touches.
And you know what, like I hate to even say that because you know,
when I you know, mark O Leal, He's a great friend of
mine and often I'll be talking to him and I'm just like me has an
audience like soccer Carlson has here, you know, in Brazil, and a
lot of people in South America think that he is a leading expert and that
he's you know, he's truthful in what he does and says, and you
know, he's only presenting the facts. And like there's a lot of people
in South America that just don't see through it, and they take him as
an expert and it's like ah, guys, like yeah, I mean he's
got he's arguably the biggest name out of out of Brazil, out of South
America. Yeah, absolutely, yeah, yeah, And I mean, look,
it's good. It's good that he's bringing the conversation to a mass audience.
You know, I put my hands up and say that's a great thing.
But it's that's the thing, is that people will see him as the
expert like you mentioned, and just believe everything he says. They they won't
go and do any follow up research or anything, and why should they.
They've probably got busy lives and this is just something that they keep an eye
on. So I get it, but it doesn't make us look good when
we're really trying to dig down to the actual truth of what's happening. Right
and then and then you know, a month later, you end up with
the headline like you know, alien bodies found to be chicken bone and other
you know, weird stuff like staple together. And it's just like, oh
God, because that's like the part of me that that that that it honestly
frustrates me. Like this phenomenon, what we have going on here right as
we speak, right now, there's an agenda that's being played out. The
phenomenon is strange enough. We don't need to hoax. It's strange enough.
Like the real stuff is is is there, it's it's and I get it,
like the content creators need to content create, but it's let's focus on
that that percentage that will advance the conversation. And your conference is a great
ar it's it's a great new thing. That's evolving, where like the Soul
Foundation, where you had leading scientists, researchers, people that are very serious
about this topic giving lectures and and and being open and transparent about what they're
doing to advance the topic. So who are some of the people that that
you have lined up to speak? Yeah, so just before I listen people,
what I wanted to do was put together a virtual event where people can
come and hang out, you know, on zoom. It's all through Zoom,
but hang out in the same room as these speakers. You know.
And I've been involved in one of these before. This is all under Richard
Dolan's upgrade, the Debate Events series, and they're a really great way of
being a bit more interactive with these kind of things. And so I wanted
to put something together that focuses on research, but not just as a UFO
research. I wanted to get people on the journalistic side of things, the
scientific and academic side of things, and kind of put it all together and
really focus on that and give them a platform. So I guess I started
off. I wanted the science things, so I straight away I contacted Avi
Lobe. I've got a good friendship with Avi, so you know, he
graciously accepted. And then Beatrice vel Royal was someone who I spoke to recently
on my show and she I think she's great, so I wanted her there.
So those two real staff up scientists. And then obviously Christopher Sharp at
the Liberation Times his journalistic integrity. I think he does a fantastic work.
So I invited Chris to come along to talk more about, you know,
what he does and how he does it. We're going to be doing a
Q and A with Chris, so people can really ask the questions that they
want to ask to Chris. You know, Chris has got some fantastic sources
out there that he kind of gets these scoops all the time, so we're
going to dig into that. And then my good friend Carl and Dress and
Carl the Crusher as people may know him. He's done a boots, done
a lot of boots on the groundwork at primarily at Yeah. So he's actually
going to be at Mount Wilson at the event. He's going to come in
live from Mount Wilson, give everyone live on the ground tour, answer questions,
talk about the latest on his investigation. So that's something a little bit
different again, that's amazing. Yeah, so really really so, Yeah,
live from you know, live from bout Wilson Ranch. Man. Yeah,
because that's on par with with skid Walker. I mean, let's let's let's
make no mistake about it. There's there's clearly something going on in and at
these I guess you know what we call in the in the UFO communities hot
spots, Right, So there's these spots and and you know, obviously everyone's
like, oh, why is it always a ranch or like, well,
it's it's in this case, it just so happens to be, you know,
a ranch as well. But it's not always a ranch in this case,
yes, but not in you know, in a lot of cases.
So this specific ranch because I've had Carl on the show as well. He's
a good friend, is a good friend of the show, and what he's
been doing is amazing. That's that's awesome. What a unique uh unique thing?
Yeah, absolutely so. And then I've got Danny Sheehan, who's going
to be giving a presentation. You know, Danny's you know, right at
the forefront of a lot of what's happening on Capitol Hill right now. He's
speaking with you know, the committees on both sides. So I just I
wanted to bring all of these different people from slightly different areas of the subject
together to give the attendees there's something, you know, a whole weekend of
just really interesting information and opportunities to ask their questions and stuff. So I'm
really looking forward to it. You know, It's been a lot of work
putting it together, a lot more than I anticipated. But I'm working with
a great team who do this. This is this is what they do.
They do these events series and that's so I'm really glad that they allowed me
to be a part of that and do a disclosure team first conference. Right,
Yeah, that's that's absolutely amazing. And you know with a V.
A V. Lobe, especially with his Galileo project, I mean, I'm
in Boston, right so you know, he he's literally I go to Harvard
probably two to four times a week for my job, and like, there
are so many times where I just want to go to like wherever his office
is and just knock on the door and be like, hey man, uh
so we're gonna have a sit down conversation. But av av with recent developments,
like with what David Grush has come out and said Avi's work is especially
interesting because it is it's it's different, it's not it's not you're like what
the UFO community would consider juicy, But nonetheless it's it's pushing the pushing the
the the envelope forward. And can you explain for people who don't know what
a VI lobe is doing with the Galileo project. Yeah, So he's kind
of got a couple of things going on. He recently, well say recently,
I think the summer of twenty twenty three, he did this specific ocean
expedition to find traces of this meteorite which you know, they found. They
found these very small spherials and they've had them analyzed and they believe them to
be something from outside of our solar system. You know, that's really exciting
stuff. But with the Galileo project itself, they have these sensor systems that
they did start off by placing them on the roof of the University at Harvard
there, but I think they've actually expanded to some external locations as well,
some hotspots. There's not been a lot of information put out yet, but
and this is the thing with AVI, He's coming at this from a no
nonsense scientific point of view, it has the potential in the long term to
really get some interesting results. But you know, I think in the problem
with that I see a lot is that people are always just want some think
every single day, they want that new piece of juicy information. I get
that, but we can't always just expect it. And I think what Avi's
doing. You know, he's looking far out into the Solar System, he's
looking at near Earth objects as well. And you know, with this equipment
that they're investing in and putting up, we could certainly get some very very
good data further down the road, right. And and so what I always
said was that disclosure. You know, what we've wanted in the UFO community
for years is actual science, right, rigorous science. Well, guess what,
guys. Science is slow. It's very slow. So we've been begging
for it. And now that we have it, we're like, come on,
come on, come on, come on. It's like, guys,
guys can't rush these things, because what we rush we get Peruvian mummies,
chicken bowl mummies. Right, So, like, yes, science is slow,
but look at like like things like the James web Space telescope. Recently,
they they have this I don't know if you saw it, but it
was kind of like a a briefing that was sent out about whoever the first
astronomer would be to find alien life, like a signature of alien life.
You know, how how it would affect them in their family, and like
how they would become fit, you know instantly, you know, famous,
and how what it would do to their mental state. All this kind of
weird stuff. And it's like, are they preparing us for something? Because
I've said for a while that it seems like dominoes are being tipped over slowly,
but it seems to be leading somewhere, and maybe you can give some
insight. Do you think that they know that the other shoe is about to
drop? I mean, that's kind of the million dollar question, isn't it.
There are so many things that like point, there are things that kind
of point in that direction that if they were to kind of prepare us for
something, this is how they would do it. Does that mean that is
what's happening? Of course it doesn't. But you know, again, I
have to take myself out of this and not just blindly believe things because I
want them to be a certain way that it's happening. So yeah, it
could be. It could certainly be a preparation for something that is inevitable.
I think disclosure eventually will be inevitable. Disclosure of what exactly is again something
that we don't know because we don't know the origin of the phenomena, whatever
it is. I think it could be something so far beyond our frame of
reference or understanding. But it could also be the opposite. It could all
be a smoke screen, Sieop. I'm not going to pretend that I'm going
to shut certain things off because I don't want them to be true. It's
it's something. It's the way I've changed over the past few years about this
subject is the more people I speak to, the more I have to be
very open and keep everything on the table until it can be taken off,
whether positive or negative. So I mean, I just continue to do what
I do and have the conversation, and we'll see what happens. You know,
maybe maybe these Peruvian mummies will eventually one day turn out to be something
genuine. I mean, this is the thing. We just don't know where
it's going to come from. We all always and I'm guilty of this as
well. We keep so hyper focused on the government and Congress and everything,
expecting that avenue to lead us to disclosure, whereas you know, there are
so many other places it can come from, you know, And we've got
to remember that if the phenomena genuinely is a non human intelligence, they can
give us disclosure any time they want. And I think I forget that sometimes,
absolutely. And one of the one of the things that I wanted to
talk to you about was because you mentioned that we don't even we don't even
we can't even contemplate what the phenomena is. And one of the one of
the things that I really like the most is or one of the theories that
I like the most, is that I'm sure you're familiar with doctor Michael Masters
and his future human hypothesis. It's it's becoming not not not to say the
et hypothesis is. I think we're going away from it, but I think
we're going more towards something that's like inter dimensional and it's, like you said,
way beyond what we can even perceive. What do you think about this
future human hypothesis? And you know, do you have any cases that come
to mind that could suggest this to be the case? I mean, I
think that when you speak to someone like Dr Masters, you know, he
lays forward some great points that make sense, and you think, well,
that hypothesis or theory, certainly when you put it like that makes sense.
But then I find the same with the extraterrestrial hypothesis. Somebody who studies that
or you know, has knowledge on that, or can put some science behind
it and say, well, this is why I think that makes sense,
same with the crypto terrestrial, saying with ultraterrestrial. You know, so that
are all these different theories, and whoever you speak to you can put forward
a good case for each, which makes me then think one step further,
and could we be seeing something that is maybe a combination of all of these
things, and we're just trying to frame it in a reference that makes sense
to us in you know, now, in twenty twenty four, with our
current knowledge of science, physics and all of that. But what if it's
something so much bigger, more complicated, like I said earlier, beyond our
comprehension, because we're just not advanced enough to understand it fully yet that I
have to sort of even think that there is a theory out there that we
haven't even considered yet because we can't. That makes sense. If these things
happen to be hundreds of thousands, if not millions of years more advanced,
then I have to take into consideration that that it could be something so much
more than just this theory or that theory. And so I right again,
it's it messages with my brain so much sometimes, right, because you have
that, and then you have people like Chris Bloods right, who seem to
be able, like like there's something going on where he's able to summon these
balls of light. And you know there are other people who have talked about,
you know, being abducted and seeing the true for of the being was
just a ball of light like this a pure energy and could that be where
our religions come from? Right? Like like angels being you know, these
beings of light and you know, it's it just it has it always has
me wondering. And with the bloodshow story in particular, what do you take
of this whole Lady in White because it seems the government has taken it really
seriously. Yeah, absolutely, I mean it's reduct extremely yeah. Yeah,
I mean the Bloodshoe story is fascinating. Some of those incidents the lady.
You know, it's been seen before. We've heard about these kind of instances
before, and then, like you said, the government interest in it,
Like what do they know or why are they looking into it? Again?
It adds something to the story for me. It's not just a random individual
talking about something they saw and not to take anything away from it. If
it was the same with the abductees. You know, the last few years,
I think the abduction part of the subject and abductees themselves, I've taken
a bit of a back seat to all the focus on the government military aspect
of the phenomena. And I think, you know, in the last six
months, I've started talking to a lot more abductees and it's a very sensitive
subject. You know, these people have dealt with something that has affected them,
you know, affected them deeply, and I have to remain respectful of
that. And I always say to myself, it's not my place to necessarily
believe these people, but I believe that they believe, you know, and
I'm highly respectful of that. And I think it warrants hearing their voice and
platforming them as well, to let them tell their story, because the more
that we do that the more corroboration we're going to get now as well.
You know, these people say they're seeing or some people say they're seeing gray
aliens or biologics. Yeah, you know, it always begs the question to
me, are they being shown something that has something behind it? Like you
know, if you look beyond the veil, that we would see something like
a ball of light, but it manifests itself in a physical form as something
that looks biological. This is where, again my brain goes off to other
things, is that we may be not seeing its true form or the true
the whole picture exactly. Yeah, because there's so many different things that have
been seen. Does it all fit under this one umbrella of a non human
intelligence? Are we seeing multiple species or multiple origins of where these things are
from? You know, begs so many questions that really I've got to stay
open to it all. Yeah, I think, and I think we all
have to. And I really, what do you think when it comes to
like some of the conversations that you've had, what are some of the like
with with abductees. Will there's some of the themes because at least in my
eyes, it seems like the abduction phenomena, like, are there any recent
abductions that weekend, because it seems like it dropped off at least reporting wise.
You know, there's no more high profile abductions in the news. It's
more or less all the nuts and bolt stuff. But I mean, our
abductions still happening, That's a great question. And I've not seen or heard
of any cases in recent times which you know, begs the question are they
still happening? But you know, there are some great researchers out there who
look into the abduction phenomena who you know, I know that they say that
these things are still happening. You look at the Experiencer group run by j.
Christopher King. Now I'm not a part of that. I've not been
involved in any of their private conversations. But if these people are still talking
about things happening to them, then you know, you have to take it
seriously that these people are still experiencing these kind of things. Melinda Leslie as
well talks about she speaks to abductees who are still having things happen. You
know. So, yeah, just because we don't necessarily see it reported like
it maybe was twenty thirty years ago, it doesn't necessarily mean it's not still
happening. So again, I'm very open to it. Right and when you
know, I think the world is fully at least the UFO community for now
is fully you know, on edge with David Grush right, not on edge
like on edge like we don't like them. It's on edge waiting for the
next thing to drop. And there's this rumored op ed that's coming David Grush
as a whole when he came forward in the interview with Ross coltheart and then
the subsequent hearings and you know, everything that's taken place since. How how
do you see David Grush and other UFO whistleblowers in their part in this whole
disclosure process. I think again it's another case of these things have to play
out in the correct manner. They can't be rushed. And that's you know,
people will say, well, that's just an excuse because nothing's happening.
Well, no, you know, these things do have to play out correctly.
David Grush is he's treading a fine line and has been since the day
he came out, and they've got to be like, if we're to believe
forty plus other whistleblowers who have talked to Congress, and that then we've got
to make sure that Grush is treated correctly as well, because if he's not,
then other whistleblowers aren't certainly going to be lining up to come forward if
we're seeing people like David Grush being you know, mistreated. And so I
think hopefully twenty twenty four or be that crossover a year where you know,
people have seen it. We look, it's been a year since Grush came
out, and now I'm ready to step forward because I like what I'm seeing
these you know, hopefully that's what's happening. I don't know. I'm just
kind of trying to put myself in that in that position. I mean,
it's it's a struggle because I just I don't know what I would feel like
to have that amount of pressure on you. I can only begin to imagine.
So I think as well, you know, people put so much on
Grush in this story that if it turns out that it doesn't go anywhere,
it's going to be a massive step back for the subject as a whole.
Which it may be to a degree, but I don't think it's the be
all and end all of disclosure, let's say, right, But you know
what worries me is recent things that have happened, for instance, the Rara
Report, the historical report, and then not even just the report, but
the way that they limited media and basically controlled who could be in the room
when that went down. What did you think about it? Because I mean
you are friends with guys like Chris Sharp, who you know, if they
could have been in the room, would have asked the hard questions but weren't
allowed to. And that's a very dangerous, dangerous thing. Yeah, it's
it's embarrassing for the Pentagon the way it's been handled. I think in the
last few weeks. If the report is what it is, we kind of
expected it to be that way. But I agree to stop mainstream journalists like
Ross called, you know, on News Nation, from being why not what
have they got to hide? Why are they afraid of the hard questions?
If it's like simply, if it's simply yeah, if it's just birds in
the sky, why not why not take the hard questions? Yeah? Exactly.
You know, and there are people talking who have presented information to Arrow
that does show there is something happening that is not straightforward. And so to
have it dismissed. So it was just a mess that report. Yeah,
there are things just doesn't add up. There are puzzle pieces missing from this
story, and it'll be interesting to see what part two of this report comes
out. I think we're going to see a few months of questions being asked
of why this report that was the way it was and it was handled the
way it was. Do you think that this was a modern day Project blue
Book attempt to squash I mean, yeah, I can see similarities. I
wouldn't put it all exactly the same. Well, you know what's honestly,
I give Project Blue Book much more credit. I hate to even because at
least they went out and they boots on the ground and YadA YadA, YadA,
like you know, they they went, they held press conferences at you
know, uh places where where events happened. They did investigations. Yes,
the Air Force at the end of the day had a preconceived outcome that that
Highneck had that you know, you know, the swamp gas scenario. Sure
when he knew, he knew, damn well it was not. Ara didn't
even do that. They collected hours hours of testimony from people like my friend
Mario Woods four hours of testimony. He was on a nuclear missile base.
He responded to a hot the highest category breach there is on Ellsworth Air Force
Base. He was dispatched to November five, which is one of the missile
silos. He arrived to see a gash of ball of light. The atmosphere
of the car got thick. He passed out, his partner passed out.
They woke up a mile from the missile silo, all documented. Richard Dirty
was there the next day. I mean, we know this event happened.
That's how is that not at least something you go further and say, I
can't explain this. Yeah, I mean I think I think we have to
remember that in the early days of Arrow, when they were getting testimony from
people like Mario Woods, a lot of the testimony was taken over the phone,
not even on a secure phone line. They weren't recording it. They
were taking just handwritten notes. So it was almost it was like it was
just we'll just we'll play ball, we'll listen, we'll take some notes.
It doesn't seem like they were interested in following up on it or taking it
seriously. You know, the early days of Arrow where we know we're a
joke. Almost there was no funding. It was just a smash of something
or other. But yeah, and honestly, you know, but my one
last thing about Arrow. Do you think Phillips could could write this course or
not? Really? Could he right the ship's course and make Arrow something that?
Is there any redemption for it? Not under Phillips. I think he's
just this interim figure who's just been put in until they find someone new.
Oh, Okay, is that the case i'd liked? I think that's the
case at the moment. I think he's interim. I think they are looking
to actively recruit a new head of the of the group. Again, we'll
see. But I mean, I try and remain positive on these things,
but it's very difficult for me to think that there's any turnaround with Arrow.
I think there's a reason why so many people are skipping Arrow and going direct
to Congress because the trust just isn't there, and maybe it can't be rebuilt.
In an ideal world, I'd like to say it could, but it's
not looking good. Yeah, whatever happened to that presidential you know, when
the shootdowns happened, the president spoke about forming his own group. I wonder
whatever happened to that, but I mean it is, it is what it
is at this point, I think Congress. The only thing I'm worried about
with Congress is that do you think there there's a possibility that with David Grush
coming forward, you have and it's not like it's any secret, right,
So Lockheed, any of these people who have this technology hidden away or you
know, in some bunker, you know, is it by David Grush coming
forward kind of raising the flag? Do you think they started moving these things
and you know, inevitably we're just going to be playing a shell game.
I mean if I was one of those in individuals sitting on that technology,
and you know, we had language coming out at the end of twenty twenty
three about potential eminent domain being written into law, I would certainly move that
very even deeper. You know, it's almost gave them the opportunity to really
hide it further. So yeah, I mean that's my word. Yeah,
that's the thing as well, isn't it. You know? I think it
was Ross Coultart's mentioned it on a show the other day that you know,
Arrow I think went to some of these aerospace corporations and sort of said,
oh, you know, have you got this technology like what they're not going
to tell you? Yes, I mean this is ridiculous. Yeah, I
got it in the blue room, right, How do you taking a walk
with me? So yeah, man, it's it's it's a joke. So
yeah, who knows what happened. I don't know what's going to happen,
you know, as we go through this year with the Intelligence Authorization Act for
next year and the NDAA as well, who knows whether that's going to have
some robust language in it or not. We don't hear a lot right now
from many of the congress people. I'm told there are things happening behind the
scenes that we're not seeing in play out on Twitter and stuff. But will
we ever get any kind of results from that where we see this ramping up
or getting into fifth gear again with new hearings and stuff. I hope so.
And over classification on these kind of you know, I can't. It's
countless. It's it's countless. There have been countless people who have said that
there are videos that exist that would prove this beyond a shadow of a doubt
if they were released by the government. Why do you think or how do
you think one of these has not been leaked other than that you know,
the New York Times or anything that Corbell's put out or like, because there
are clearly, like we hear about it in so many cases where there was
clearly recording capabilities by the military of something extraordinary, and you know, like
I said, there's an overclassification. Do you think that a lot of what
we're seeing these days is man made? I mean, what's your take?
I mean, it's hard to say why things haven't leaked. I don't know
who has access to where some of these smoking gun videos are. Do they
sit on a jwix server that thousands of people have access to or are they
really compartmentalized? I honestly wouldn't know. I wouldn't like to hazard a guess
at that. Who's to say that we haven't had videos leaked that we don't
know are real, that they may be hoaxed? Is this is the game
as well? Isn't it that there could be some genuine information out there that
it's so mixed in with the disinformation and misinformation that we simply can't confirm it's
legitimacy, even though it's right there in front of our faces. It's it's
this is the game that they've played for years in the intelligence community, not
just with the UFO subject. It's just smearing good information with bad to make
it, you know, hard to confirm. You know, Look, we've
been told that there are a few videos that show certain things. You know,
I believe they exist, but will we ever see them because of the
overclassification At this point it doesn't look likely. But right, who's to say
further down the line that the overclassification and the systems that that is all around
changes at some point if Congress managed to do something and get that to change,
it could happen. But again we don't know. And the reason I
bring up videos is because AI artificial intelligence is about to render any picture video
of a UFO civilian produced just untrustworthy. Like it's going to be so hard
to differentiate what is real and what is fake. And do you foresee a
problem going very faster than coming faster than we think. I mean, GPT
has what SOMA that's coming out soon? Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's
the thing. I think it's going to muddy the water a lot more.
We're going to see a lot more fake or AI creative videos flying around,
you know, online on social media, where people will be arguing about them
for weeks whether they're real or not. I think the only way that we
will have any kind of positivity from any videos coming out as if they're heavily
backed with metadata and chain of custody, you know, especially if they're leaked,
let's say, leaked military videos, then we can prove that they were
taken at a certain time, in a certain year, certain location, with
all of that metadata intact and a full chain of custody. Because without that,
there's no point you could be arguing about it for years and years and
if you just simply cannot prove it hundred percent, to waste the time now
because of the AI. Yeah yeah, and it's i mean, some of
the videos that I've seen already are just like, oh my god, like
it's almost indistinguishable, and it's it's i mean, you know, it'll make
content creation a little bit more fun and easy. But as far as what
like, what will going forward, what will constitute as evidence? Right,
it's going to have to be multiple sensor systems picking something up metadata like you
said, you know, uh, cross referenced with uh documentation and hopefully multiple
uh multiple videos, so you know it, it's it's frustrating. But with
the rise of technology comes the rise of of you know, potential potential hoaxes.
So it's it's something that the UFO community is going to be ready to
face. Honestly, Vinny, you yourself, how how did you become interested
in this topic specifically? And and and starting all this because uh, you've
been doing a lot of work to try to again move the ball forward.
What you know, what got you in to UFOs in this crazy world?
I mean, I grew up in the I'm a child of the late seventies.
I grew up with in the eighties with an abundance of really good quality,
high end science fiction movies, and that really like set my brain off
on the questions of, you know, the life out there and stuff,
and you know, going further on in life into my twenties and thirties,
watching a lot of documentaries on fringe subjects, I suppose you could say,
of all sorts, eventually landing on the UFO subjects probably twenty years ago,
and then about fifteen years ago, I found myself just I need more,
I need more. I need it, So, yeah, so I would.
You know, that's when I just would sit late at night for many
nights just browsing through declassified archives, FBI, CIA, you name it.
I spent many of hours delving through them, thinking that I may find something
that no one else has found, you know, naively thinking, and that
just sort of set me off. You know, I was just addicted to
research and looking at old cases and stuff, and it just kind of it
just grew from there. And I guess, like a lot of people,
when the pandemic hit, that kind of gave me the opportunity to to start
doing more putting myself out there. And you know, here we are.
I haven't had a minute's break to really stop and I live and breathe this
subject, and I definitely have a lot more questions than I started with.
Well you did you worked on a series of phenomenology and what was your what
you know, if you could could you explain what you guys were doing and
what the two seasons kind of what what did you come away from it with?
Yeah? Sure, so if you can try to summarize it, I
know it's a one hundred hundreds of years on these two peaks on the edge
of the Andean Plateau in Colombia. These strange, mysterious lights had been witnessed
and recorded for hundreds of years, and so we wanted to go out there.
My friend Ashley Cowie, who led the team, he lives out there.
He had captured some photographs of these strange lights on a couple of occasions
over the past few years, and so he wanted to bring a team out
to investigate it. Speak to a lot of the indigenous locals as well.
You know, they live and breathe spirituality and high strangeness. So we went
out there. We did all that, We explored the area and spoke to
a lot of witnesses and luckily enough, at the end of the first trip
we managed to film these strange lights on the mountain and so that was great
as an eye opener for me, an incredible experience. A season two,
we went back out. We tried to take a bit more equipment with us.
Took I have a thermal drone which would have been interesting to pick up
these lights with. Unfortunately we didn't see them again. But part of this
documentary was also to document our journey as people. You know, I'm just
a guy from the UK, who doesn't really have much business being in rural
Columbia speaking with indigenous people about UFOs and strange lights. So it was about
how we grew as individuals as well to being in such a strange place and
experiencing this type of thing. So it was a great experience and I hope
actually to continue it in the next couple of years. That'd be fantastic.
I really, I mean, I, like I said, I enjoyed it,
and I love this. I love the boots on the ground and like
the raw approach that you guys took. And it's something that Dan and I
have been talking about because you know, he's going to be moving to my
side of the my side of the world, so doing more stuff like that.
And I just, like I said, I really, I really liked
it. I wish I wish you I wish you guy had shopped it to
like a bigger Is there any talks about that, like getting it from Vimeo
to like Amazon or to be I mean that that three part series two we
did with the TMZ was actually really good. Yeah, I enjoyed that.
I mean, yeah, there have been conversations had about putting it on a
more accessible platform. I think the thing is is that all of us involved
in it, we're all so busy with so many other things in our lives
that sometimes these things either take time or they get put to the kind of
the wayside every now and again. So who knows. Further down the line,
Yeah, we could start seeing it on bigger platforms. I hope that's
the case. But at the end of the day, all I'm all I'm
really care about is actually doing the work, getting out there, getting those
boots on the ground, because the feeling you get when you're doing it is
it's a you know, it's a pinch yourself moment. You can't believe that
this subject has taken you so far around the world to do these kind of
investigations, you know. And there's certainly, I'll have to reiterate this,
there is no monetary incentive, you know, for for doing these projects.
Yeah, if anything, you yeah, if anything, you lose money doing
it? Oh god, absolutely. I mean I could be working in corporate
still earning you know, six figures, but I choose to do this and
then, you know, bare bones enough to pay my bills and that's about
it, you know, so right right, you know, to just want
to say that, No, well people think that, you know, everyone's
a grifter. You know, if you if you make money off the subject,
you're a grifter. It's like, no, no, that's not Most
of us are are are funding it by ourselves and losing money. I mean,
look at even James Fox, I hate to say it, like his
whole situation with Discovery and everything, like you know, he basically got no
money for a moment of contact. Like imagine that, Imagine that it's and
he's what you know, as far as I'm concerned, he's one of,
if not the best UFO documentary investigative documentary and that that there is. I
think he he's up, you know, up there. Like I said,
I think he's the goat. And uh, I really enjoy his style.
But you know, it is it's a sad reality, is what it is.
Because then you got guys like you know, it's doctor doctor Greer and
and who are you know, very well off not the same one or the
others you know, better or worse. It's just it's that's the that's the
the reality of this world is. It's it's you gotta be if you're in
it for the right reasons. The money is the last thing that you care
about. But yeah, that's what I really like about you. I appreciate
that. And I think one thing that people need to remember as well is
like, and I'm in this for the passion because I love the subjects.
I don't expect anyone to just believe that blindly. But if I wanted to
make money, why would I be in the UFO's subjects when there are so
many other things to do in this world to make money, you know,
so many more easier things to do. Trying to make money in the UFO
subject if that was a thing, would be like trying to get blood out
of a stone. It's impossible, So why would I be? You know?
And it's not just me or a lot of a lot of good friends
of mine who have that grift a tag thrown at them all the time.
It's it's just become a buzzword where people throw it around to try and cause
offence, and it it's it's fallen flat on its face because no one really
cares anymore, which just the people that are doing the work for the right
reasons are doing. Yeah, it just honestly, it just rolls off and
I've said it countless times that you know, dude, people need to eat,
like, you know, they need to pay their rent. And if
they're if they're like if they're putting their time and effort, like we're right
now, I'm filming my first documentary and it's a slow process and I'm funding
it, you know, myself, and you know, it's it's been amazing,
but it's also been very stressful in its own right. So, uh,
like coordination wise, and there's a it's a it's like that's a talk
for another time. But you said you got into this because of the mysteries
of the universe, right. I was always that guy like at the party
who would be smoking a joint, you know, and it huddled in the
corner, uh, talking with the friends like about existential uh stuff, you
know, like what happens after we die? What have you know? Back?
Are we alone in the universe? What? What are your thoughts on
in the in the testimony you've been exposed to in your educated opinion, what's
your best guess at some of these questions? What does do you think consciousness
survives death? I know, I know, I mean there's been some great
work, great research done in recent years that the point to there being something
there, you know, post death. You know the work of Nick Cook,
you know Nick Cook coming from his sort of aviation and defense background,
now switching completely over to the consciousness side of things, being involved with the
biggel Ow Institute for Consciousness Studies as well. I think it's very early early
days when it comes to this, that's the science to support this kind of
theory. But I believe that, you know, it could. Can she
lead to there being some really big answers? You know, I want to
believe that there is, absolutely, but yeah, I keep my eye on
that side. Was subject as well, imagine, I mean, because I've
always thought that there was. I mean, for me, one of the
moments that set me on the course of doing the show was I was in
the room with my mother as she passed away, and I remember it.
So in my audience is gonna be like, dude, we've heard this story
like nine hundred times. I come on, but I kid, you not
like it's what I it's. It's what I call a moment of conversion.
I already had one when I was a kid. But you know, it's
like you question those kind of memories but I had a UFO come literally right
over my head, some classic disc and that's when I started, like,
you know, I was like the closeted UFO guy, but always talking about
it at parties, and you know that I was always that guy. But
it was really when I was in the room with my mother. I looked
at her, she was there. I looked down. I remember looking at
my pants and I think I was reaching for my phone, but I can't
remember exactly what I was doing, but something told me to look up,
and I looked up. And as I looked up, this like you know
when you look down a long highway and you see like the heat wave,
it's a dispersion like blur. Yeah, it something crossed my field division like
some sort of dispersion blur, and it went out the window pretty And then
I looked back at my mother and she was gone. I'm almost certain I
watched her leave her body, and I don't know what to do with that,
right, So that's what led me to doing the show. It's like
I UFOs, I've seen one, and now I'm pretty sure you know what
I just witnessed. I was supposed to witness and I'm supposed to go down
this road. So I mean, there's got That's why I asked the question.
I asked it to everybody, like do you think because consciousness, I
think is a big part of this. We talked you know, Bob Azar
right history, no buttons in the craft. This thing was clearly you know,
operated if you believe those are it was operated by some other means.
And could consciousness be the key to you know, travel throughout dimension space?
How to you know? Could that be the key? I don't know,
could well be absolutely yeah. I mean that's the things. Well, you
have had your experiences, and a lot of people I speak to have had
experiences, and that's why they're like, look, I know it's real because
I've seen this and I've seen that, and I you know, I don't
I don't have the luxury of that unfortunately. But you know, this is
why it's so important as well, because people I don't need disclosure because I've
seen things, and you know that's there's a lot of power behind that kind
of thing. You know, when you speak to people, you can see
the they genuinely, you know, don't They've seen things and you know that.
I find that fascinating and it's you know, it's some of the people
that have had these sightings or let's say encounters. Let's go a step further
abductions. What we right, what you and I strive for? What we
what we like you said, live and breathe for. They would some of
them give it all away. Yeah, they have confirmation, they have the
confirmation we want, and they would give it all away and erase it from
their brains if they could. And that's it blows my mind because it's like,
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the screen. Richard Dolan said about some people in this community, it would
be naive to say that it's all d andelions and roses like that, they're
all like super advanced. They've advanced past cruelty or indifference. It would you
what side of that are you on? Yeah, I mean it's the same
with again I mentioned Dr Greer who says that that they're all friendly, they're
here to help us. Well, you know, you can't say that to
the people that have had life change in negative experiences with what you know,
abductions and things that have happened to them. Doesn't certainly point to love and
light, does it. I mean, I think about it like this,
with anything in this world, in this universe, you've got light and dark,
positive and negative, yin and yang. You can't get good and bad.
You can't have one without the other. Exactly what I was going to
say. Yeah, yeah, so yeah, that makes that makes the most
sense. So good and bad, negative, positive. Surely that's the same
with everything. You know, why again, And that's why I think,
isn't that? That's why I think that it's like almost a natural state of
human beings to factionalize, right, it's it's it's I don't know, because
it it makes me wonder, like even the story of the Tower Babylon right
where you know it was struck down because they got to close then they divided
or or you know, God divided us or whoever divided us by separating our
languages so we couldn't communicate. It's like factionalism at its core is what's keeping
us from advancing. And we see it in the UFO community like it's it's
so present, like you got the low faction, you got the career faction.
Like it if you could just step away and all step back. I
think there's a piece of a puzzle in everybody's hand. Yeah, I agree.
It's the same old thing, isn't it. Like people say, if
we all just work together, that you know, all these kind of positive
things, and it may be true, but unfortunately we are only human and
you will get that sort of part of society who online are happy to just
sit behind their keyboard and argue for the sake of arguing, to throw insults
out for the sake of trying to get under someone's skin. It's just the
way it is in any any subject you'd find it. So I just you
know many best I can you know how many comments I'm going to get on
this video about oh, stop interrupting, stop interrupting, stop interrupting, stop
interapt dude, it's one part. It's a troll that like, for some
reason hates me and they create different profile and like that's they just There was
a video literally I did where the guests didn't show up and it was just
me. I was like, I was like, let's go live anyway,
and I talked by myself but I didn't change the title right, and they
commented stop interrupting the guests, stop interrupt multiple ties, and I was like,
dude, it's just me. Who are you? And that's the day
I figured out it was a troll. And I'm like you that, like
this whole time, this whole time, Like I listen, I'm the first
one to take constructive criticism. I really am. It's hot though it is.
And like people like Rogan, you know, they say, don't read
the comments, don't read the comments, but like, as a smaller creator,
like you read the comments, dude, you read it. Yeah,
of course, yeah. But this is the thing, and this is what
I've I've noticed on my show is that I'll put out an interview and I'll
have someone in the comments saying, really, great interview. I love how
you let your guests speak, and then you'll have someone below that comment saying
you need to chime in and interrupt more and do exactly the opposite. So
you will always get both sides of the art. You cannot win with you
know, you please someone, someone else hates it. And it's always that
back and forth. And I've just learned to live with that. You know,
It's just the way it is. And people people say, you know
you need to do this, you needed that. Look, I'm just a
dude who put himself on YouTube to interview some people. I'm not a professional.
I don't claim to be. I'm just putting my conversations out there.
You know I'm not. But you know what I do make it look good.
But I'm just a dude. But you know what, we put ourselves
out there to be judged, right, and we have the goal to go
out there and put ourselves out there to be judged. You know, to
any keyboard warrior out there, I hate to like say this, but put
yourself out there and then let's have a conversation, right, because it's you
know, it's much much easier said than done. Like the microphone that that
that Vinie's using. By the way, you know how much money that microphone
costs. It's a it's a lot of money. Uh put it that way.
I have a shure. It's a shore, right, yeah, yeah,
yeah, I'm using the rodead Road mic because they sent me the streamer
xbox and the microphone and the holder together as like a it's like try it
out. But my shore is my baby, because it's just the greatest microphone.
I think it's the best microphone out there. But this one puts up
a fight and the they geta they get a great setup. So I highly
recommend anyone who's a content creator, uh look into Road because they got some
great stuff, especially for like if you're making documentaries, wireless microphones. They
have a great, great setup for all that stuff. But I want to
finish off our conversation with UFOs because that's kind of what we're here for.
You've interviewed like the krem Dela crime. In my eyes of UFO researchers,
which few interviews have stuck out the most to you? Oh, that's a
good question. You know what, I should be better answering this question,
because like I asked it all the time, but I always seem to forget
to really think deep about it. Look, I started off in twenty twenty
one, very fresh, just threw myself out there. I was lucky enough
to become friends with Lou Elisonda early on and interview Lou and I look back
at those interviews with fond memories, so they stand out and they always will.
But I think some of them better interviews have been with Diana Pasolka I've
had I've interviewed Diana twice and they always I always come away with a new
train of thought. The way that she does this whole religion, technology and
combines it all into the UFOs subjects I find fascinating and they I always come
away feeling good from those kind of interviews as well. But one thing I
always say as well is I'll prepare for an interview and do an interview that
I expected to not get much from, and they'll be the ones that I
sometimes get the most from. It's it's a strange thing, it actually really
is. And you know what, I've had that same exact feeling. And
you know, the two people you mentioned, Diana and Lou, I mean,
they're on the top ten list for me. You know, I've had
a lot of my you know, bucket list people, but you know,
there are people that that I really want to have on, like Danny Sheham,
like Lou Alezondo, like Diana Posoka, and you know, eventually,
I know the show will get to that point, uh and and and I
really look forward to it. But like you said, those three people,
what they're doing for the topic, the credibility that they lend to it esc
you know, uh, especially especially people like Alizondo and uh, Diana and
actually all three because of just their their credibility as people bringing to the table
what they are. It's it's just amazing and we are in the golden age
of you apology as as far as I'm concerned. Yeah, absolutely, man,
And I enjoy it. This is the thing as well. I enjoy
speaking to these people. And I you know, I have the interviews that
like an hour long interview on Channel, but the conversations that I formed with
these people outside of that are amazing as well. You know, I think
this is the same thing, you know, get I get lucky enough to
be friends with quite a few people I've interviewed now, and you know,
there's always to say that. There are individuals who I've had on my show,
military witnesses who have come forward, pilots who have come forward. They're
some of the most important conversations I've had as well. To be able to
platform these people who have seen things, who want to get their voice heard,
and you know, I love that. I love being able to do
that. It's really it's really good. What do you think the chances are
that civilian research beats the government to the punch on disclosure? I know it
sounds weird, but do you think there's a possibility that civilian research and that
this whole side of it could actually be the government to some sort of disclosure,
like proving it beyond the shadow of a doubt. Yeah, I think
there is every chance that that could happen. Like we said right at the
start of the show, when you know, we're always expecting the disclosure to
come from the government, the Congress and everything, because that's where the focus
has been. That it could actually come from left field. It could come
from another country, it could come from the phenomena itself, but it could
come from a really good UFO researcher who just so happens to find that,
you know, that breaking story, that smoking gum bit of evidence, and
bring it forward in the correct way, because if done right, it can
completely give us what we're all craving so much, and that's disclosure. So
yeah, I have faith in the community. That's amazing. I really And
like I said, I really I'm starting to believe that. I mean,
it's still it could go one way or the other for me, but I
think I still think the more likely scenario is some sort of government you know,
start small, you know, discover life on another planet super far away,
right super far, and then slowly it'll get closer, right, It'll
go from microbial life to uh, we might have found signs of again advanced
civilization. And next thing, you know, you know, all of a
sudden, we're you know, disclosure is a little bit more closer to home,
right, because then uh, they start revealing Uh well yeah, they're
actually you know, they've been here longer than us. And I guess one
I think I said this three times, but the one last thing something came
across in my interview with Richard Dodie. Could all the secrecy be that they
had a hand We talked about this missing link right in the cosmic scale,
the human the current human brain like basically doubled overnight on the cosmic scale.
Do you think there could be secrecy involved because they the phenomenon, whoever they
are, had a hand to play in our creation and they are our god,
if you will perhabsolutely absolutely, that could be the thing to think of.
That it is, but you know, like you said, we've been
searching for this missing link in our evolutionary chain for so long. That could
just be the answer, plain and simple. I mean, it doesn't affect
me. I'll be like, Okay, cool, you know, I'm glad
I'm here. It makes sense, right. Other people might find it a
lot more worriesome or scary that that's what happened. But yeah, I mean
it doesn't. It makes sense to me. It's the potential. And but
you know, because like we you know, we talk about on a Naki
and you know, this advanced race that you know basically created us to be
slaves in a you know, to mind goal delt fit, you know,
fix their atmosphere. And you know, it kind of makes sense in a
way because like it's human beings can't stop. It's like we can't. We're
never satisfied. We just want to keep creating more and more and more and
more. It's like we can't stop, even though if we did stop at
like the iPhone fifteen and the camera I'm using would be fine, we'd be
fine, right, But we just want to create, create and create and
create. And it like kind of makes sense that and we have this fascination
with returning to the stars, and it just like it makes me wonder like
if Diana is onto something that there is this connection between our religions and the
Phenomena network as the name just changed, you know, Jacques Valais talked about
this as well. Sure, well this is it. Yeah, I think
we're seeing a resurgence of a lot of work that's probably been looked into in
the past, and we're seeing it in a new lens because of the current
climate of how advanced we are technologically in twenty twenty four compared to thirty years
ago. You know, I think these things, the research will change as
the world around us changes and the technology that we have in our hands these
days that you know this, the power in this fifty years ago would have
been at the size of a warehouse, you know, and things like that.
Literally. Yeah, and that's the thing. So the way that things
change based on the current climate of technology, and I find it all fascinating
and how it links and so yeah, that's why I'll always just keep having
these kind of conversations, just to just to have them. You know,
whether I understand a lot of what I'm told is a different story. It's
just fun. You have you had Jacques. I've not had him on the
show. No, There's been a couple of occasions where we were kind of
back and forth trying to line it up. But then I was in Columbia
and he was out of the country, and you know, it never happened.
But I was lucky enough, obviously to meet with jacqu in Paris at
the end of last year when I was introducing him at a conference, and
so, yeah, well, I mean, like I said, it seems
like that guy's going to be around forever. So I always find it fascinating
that he has a connection to the creation of the Internet. And the second
most popular thing that was searched aside from porn was UFOs And it's like,
like these weird synchronicities, right, So talk to us about your conference when
it is how people can get tickets again, maybe you go through the guest
lineup without you know just who's going to be there and how it's going to
be laid out, and give us all the details because I know I'll be
there, and I know my buddy Dan will be there, and obviously you'll
be there, and there'll be a lot of a lot of a lot of
great great stuff going on. Yeah. So it's the Anomalous Research and Exploration
Forum or a REF for short. It is on April twenty seven and twenty
eight. We have presentations throughout the day with open sessions where everyone can just
sort of mingle, ask questions and have conversations. So we're going to have
avi low bit at Beatrice Villa Royale, Danny Sheehan, Kyl the Crusher,
Chris Graham. Rendall's going to be doing a fantastic presentation on his sort of
historical research as well. There's going to be a big ninety minute close out
open session at the end of the weekend where myself and a few other podcasters
are going to kind of be there as guests to kind of mingle and just
have a really good time. If you follow me on any social media as
you can find the link. There is an early bird five dollars off code
available at the moment as well. It's just I've been involved with these events
before as as an attendee. They are so much fun. They really allow
people to just kind of come together and it's always a positive experience as well.
So I'm trying to bring that to the community and I hope to see
people there. And this is kind of like a test run with this this
this new platform, right because it's through it it's not new. I mean,
Richard Dolan's upgrade the Debate series. They've done quite a few events before.
They did one last year with Richard Dole and Steve Bassett and Chris Lato,
and you know, I was involved with that one and it was such
a wonderful event that you know, I was like, I really want to
do something similar to that on a similar platform, and you know, here
we are doing it under Richard's platform. They just really well run. The
team behind it are such professionals, they really know what they're doing, and
I'm really honored that they've agreed on this. Yeah, so that's that's that's
really awesome, man, and I'm so happy. I can't wait to I
can't wait to see, well, I can't wait to see the whole thing.
And like I said, send me all send me all the links and
let me create a marker what FI send me all the links so I can
include them in the description of the podcast and the the video. Yeah,
we'll do man, all right, But Vinie, it was so great for
you to be here. Thank you so much for taking time out of your
busy schedule. And I look forward to our next conversation and we can,
uh, we can definitely you know, dive into some cool stuff because it
seems like the UFO world is just a fire lately with with stuff to talk
about, so uh, we'll see you next time, buddy. Thanks Ty,
I appreciate it all right, guys. That was Vinny from Disclosure Team.
All of the links will be in the description below. We want to
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