“Ancient Artifacts That Shouldn’t Exist: Michael Forest on Alien Carvings, Lost Civilizations & Forbidden History”

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1:30 Speaker 5: Tonight on total disclosure. We're joined by a man whose

1:35 Speaker 5: tireless pursuit of truth is reshaping.

1:39 Speaker 4: How we view our ancient past. Michael Forrest, researcher, author,

1:43 Speaker 4: and documentarian, has spent the last five years diving deep

1:48 Speaker 4: into the mysteries that conventional history tends to ignore, with

1:52 Speaker 4: six published books and the library of compelling documentaries freely

1:57 Speaker 4: available on his YouTube channel, Alien Carving Michael's work brings

2:01 Speaker 4: forward a growing body of evidence that could rewrite human history.

2:06 Speaker 4: The heart of tonight's discussion are the explosive discoveries coming

2:10 Speaker 4: out of Mexico, over ten thousand artifacts dot defy mainstream

2:15 Speaker 4: timelines and raise pretty urgent questions about who we are,

2:19 Speaker 4: where we came from, and what's been hidden in plain sight?

2:24 Speaker 4: Are these remnants of an unknown civilization? A lost civilization?

2:29 Speaker 4: Are the myths we've inherited, echoes of something real, something

2:33 Speaker 4: that we've forgotten, like Graham Hancock says, we're a species

2:37 Speaker 4: with amnesia. Together, we'll explore the implications of these ancient anominies,

2:41 Speaker 4: the suppression of alternate history, and the possibility that advanced

2:46 Speaker 4: technology once flourished long before our textbooks suggest. This is

2:51 Speaker 4: more than archaeology. It's a challenge to the narrative. Welcome

2:55 Speaker 4: to total disclosure. All right, welcome back, Man.

3:05 Speaker 1: It's good to have you.

3:07 Speaker 4: I say, welcome back, but welcome to the show.

3:10 Speaker 1: Mike, it's good to have We talked a little earlier,

3:12 Speaker 1: so I know what you meant.

3:14 Speaker 4: Yeah, So this is a show that I definitely wanted to.

3:21 Speaker 5: I wanted to get it done before contact in the desert,

3:25 Speaker 5: because I think it's something that not only is it

3:28 Speaker 5: like really popular right now in the UFO community, and

3:33 Speaker 5: just the all the related you know, uh phenomena if

3:38 Speaker 5: you will. All the talk has been about these these

3:42 Speaker 5: discoveries of artifacts, and you know the community is always

3:47 Speaker 5: up against this battle of show me the evidence, right,

3:51 Speaker 5: So here we have, you know, a very unique opportunity

3:55 Speaker 5: to maybe talk about both.

3:57 Speaker 4: And uh so I just want to first bite start

4:00 Speaker 4: by can you give us a little bit of history,

4:04 Speaker 4: but who you are and what is going on that

4:08 Speaker 4: people are talking about when it comes to these discoveries.

4:12 Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, I'm a business owner up here in Washington

4:16 Speaker 1: state I've lived. I was born and raised in Idaho

4:19 Speaker 1: and never really believed in aliens or had any paranormal experiences.

4:24 Speaker 1: In my early years, I you know, came into this.

4:28 Speaker 1: I've been a gem collector, however, crystals and rock specimen.

4:31 Speaker 1: My grandpa was a minor, so that was always something

4:34 Speaker 1: I frequented, was the gem shows. And my wife cuts opals.

4:37 Speaker 1: So you know, my good friend he came over one

4:40 Speaker 1: day and I said he was going down to the

4:43 Speaker 1: Tucson Gem show, and when he got back, he had

4:45 Speaker 1: some stuff he wanted to show me, you know, he

4:47 Speaker 1: asked if I was looking for anything, and I told

4:49 Speaker 1: him a few things, and carving specifically, because I'd been

4:52 Speaker 1: collecting little dragons and different things out of you know,

4:55 Speaker 1: different sapphires and such. And so when he went down there,

5:00 Speaker 1: he had found a gentleman named Mark Russell who had

5:03 Speaker 1: a booth and as an archaeologist who was on Scott

5:06 Speaker 1: Walter's America Unearthed. And he told him there that he

5:09 Speaker 1: had carbon dates, showed him the pictures there that Scott

5:11 Speaker 1: had done for him, and he had found these artifacts

5:14 Speaker 1: all over in Jalisco, Mexico, and a place mostly near

5:19 Speaker 1: this place called a Wailo Stealisco. And so I'd done

5:23 Speaker 1: some brief research looking at things. I found an interview

5:26 Speaker 1: with Nasim Harriman and Klaus's Dona on the internet, and

5:29 Speaker 1: obviously Scott's show with compelling evidence. And however I just

5:34 Speaker 1: didn't believe it, you know, I could not believe it.

5:36 Speaker 1: My friend was sitting there at my kitchen table with

5:39 Speaker 1: ten thousand year old artifacts. Just if that was coming

5:43 Speaker 1: out of the ground. I figured every person who was

5:45 Speaker 1: a scientist and a researcher of anything historical would be

5:49 Speaker 1: intrigued in all over this, and so I just didn't

5:51 Speaker 1: believe it. And I actually shook his hand for five

5:53 Speaker 1: thousand dollars at the table that I could prove it

5:56 Speaker 1: wrong and prove it to be a modern hoax because

5:58 Speaker 1: I just really didn't believe it. However, I really liked

6:01 Speaker 1: the pieces, and so it gave me a reason to

6:02 Speaker 1: collect a few of them and buy a few of them,

6:04 Speaker 1: you know. And as I started to go down the hole,

6:07 Speaker 1: I reached out to people like Linda Moulton Howe and

6:09 Speaker 1: Billy Carson and a lot of different famous people. Graham

6:12 Speaker 1: Hancock got a lot of ghosting, which I know these

6:15 Speaker 1: people are very busy. But one person like Linda Moulton

6:18 Speaker 1: how She returned my call and actually had been to

6:20 Speaker 1: Stanford Research Institute with these tablets from It was not

6:25 Speaker 1: from a way those Steelisco, but another part of Mexico

6:29 Speaker 1: called the Miko CHOHn and there's a lot of different

6:31 Speaker 1: looking pieces like these big jade tablets that come from there.

6:35 Speaker 1: And you know, Stanford Research Institute saw that there was

6:38 Speaker 1: mythological looking characters like Bapple Mint on this tablet, and

6:42 Speaker 1: they said that they weren't even going to do the test.

6:44 Speaker 1: They almost laughed at her and you know, kind of

6:46 Speaker 1: humiliated her in front of these people. And so she

6:50 Speaker 1: said that she was pretty you know, hesitant on it,

6:52 Speaker 1: but what she saw that we had was something really special,

6:55 Speaker 1: she said, and she wanted to look more into it.

6:56 Speaker 1: We spent quite a few months going back and forth,

6:59 Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, at contact in the

7:01 Speaker 1: desert of all places, you know, she had asked me

7:03 Speaker 1: if she if I wanted to be on her Earth files,

7:05 Speaker 1: and nothing ever came of is she she completely ghosted

7:08 Speaker 1: me on this, and so I just didn't understand why,

7:11 Speaker 1: and you know, I've gone and just basically had to

7:14 Speaker 1: do all this research myself. No one in the industry

7:17 Speaker 1: or any archaeologists would help me. I gave books to

7:20 Speaker 1: John Hoops and a lot of different people, just trying

7:22 Speaker 1: to get some input or some validity of whether this

7:25 Speaker 1: was real or not. And there were some books that

7:28 Speaker 1: were published by Oleg Elstrov that were quite compelling that

7:31 Speaker 1: had not just carbon dating, but thermoluminescent dating that was

7:35 Speaker 1: consistent with you know, thousands of years old all over

7:38 Speaker 1: the map. And so as I began to research this more,

7:42 Speaker 1: we found a place called Tula Hill Dalgo and there

7:45 Speaker 1: was a company Jen Six Productions who was owned by

7:47 Speaker 1: Steve quail that was doing a documentary down in the

7:51 Speaker 1: Mi Coach on there at Lake Quitzel, and then they

7:53 Speaker 1: had heard that there was pieces also like this coming

7:55 Speaker 1: out of Tula near the pyramids. There there was a

7:58 Speaker 1: corn farmer who had property and as they would till

8:00 Speaker 1: their fields, they would find stuff. In the early two thousands,

8:04 Speaker 1: the Inah came out there and did some excavations and

8:07 Speaker 1: they took all these pieces. Well, the grandkids wanted to

8:10 Speaker 1: see the pieces, and when they went in to show

8:13 Speaker 1: them at the Inah, the ironh treated them like they

8:15 Speaker 1: had no idea who they were, said that they'd never

8:17 Speaker 1: turned in any pieces or had any record of this documentation,

8:21 Speaker 1: and it really frustrated him. So he contacted Steve Quayle.

8:23 Speaker 1: They came out there and started doing this documentary. They

8:26 Speaker 1: dug down to the fifteen foot level. They used gprs

8:29 Speaker 1: and geo radars over ten different kinds to you know,

8:33 Speaker 1: look at the ground so they could make sure that

8:34 Speaker 1: it hadn't been dug into prior because you can see,

8:37 Speaker 1: you know, if it's loose, if it's proper and if

8:39 Speaker 1: the rest of the ground around it's packed in the

8:40 Speaker 1: same fashion. And so they documented all this very clearly

8:44 Speaker 1: and released this documentary here a couple of years back.

8:48 Speaker 1: But they only got down to the fifteen foot level

8:50 Speaker 1: and you know, showed these pieces. There wasn't any further

8:53 Speaker 1: evidence at that time. And however, they did find a

8:56 Speaker 1: ground floor at that fifteen foot level, I mean, a

8:59 Speaker 1: solid pack lore like and they didn't have the money

9:02 Speaker 1: to keep going unfortunately, so they had to, you know,

9:06 Speaker 1: put this out and that was the end of it

9:08 Speaker 1: for Gen six. So far, they haven't gone back or

9:10 Speaker 1: done anything else, and so that kind of left it

9:12 Speaker 1: in you know, the guys down there that owned the

9:15 Speaker 1: property in my hands to try to figure out what

9:18 Speaker 1: they found. And so we got the money together and

9:21 Speaker 1: they went and re rented the equipment and got down

9:24 Speaker 1: there to that fifteen foot level and that's when things

9:26 Speaker 1: got really interesting. It broke open and literally an entire

9:30 Speaker 1: cave system opened up in front of them. And so

9:34 Speaker 1: the next month and a half two months, I mean,

9:36 Speaker 1: it was every day with new discoveries. They found pieces

9:38 Speaker 1: with Ananaki evidence, with extraterrestrial evidence UFOs, all kinds of

9:43 Speaker 1: symbology that just I mean star of Banana and Venus

9:48 Speaker 1: and all these type of things, and so it was

9:50 Speaker 1: it was quite interesting. The biggest part for me, though,

9:53 Speaker 1: was is that on the sides of these caves walls

9:56 Speaker 1: as well as on the entrance are petroglyphs of aliens.

10:00 Speaker 1: That absolutely, I mean, I've have never seen carving like

10:04 Speaker 1: this before, let alone. It was definitely not done yesterday

10:08 Speaker 1: because this is bedrock that was I mean, it's on

10:11 Speaker 1: our website if you're curious. But it's very interesting to

10:14 Speaker 1: see petrock glyphs and that that's what kind of drove

10:16 Speaker 1: the nail in the coffin to make me write.

10:18 Speaker 5: My books, you know, right, And I mean you know

10:23 Speaker 5: some of the some of the pictures you sent me.

10:27 Speaker 5: At first, I like I really had to look because

10:30 Speaker 5: I was like.

10:31 Speaker 4: Wait a second, these I mean, this isn't like, oh,

10:36 Speaker 4: that kind of looks like what we would say an

10:39 Speaker 4: alien is.

10:40 Speaker 1: No, it looks.

10:43 Speaker 4: Too identical, too coincidental, to the point where it's like, well, no, no, no,

10:49 Speaker 4: that's not that. I had to like check. I was like,

10:52 Speaker 4: is this ai? Is this real?

10:55 Speaker 5: And yeah, I mean you know I'm going off of

10:58 Speaker 5: you know, I always give people the benefit out here.

11:01 Speaker 5: I have some of the pictures here. I mean it's

11:05 Speaker 5: it's astonishing. I mean we got these.

11:10 Speaker 4: Ones where there's some workers digging, So what what is that? What? What?

11:16 Speaker 4: What's that is that about?

11:18 Speaker 1: Yeah, this is about ten feet down there's a pyramid

11:20 Speaker 1: that started popping through, and as they continued to go down,

11:24 Speaker 1: there was a sarcophagus as well as a whole in

11:26 Speaker 1: setting and what we believe this is like a tombstone

11:29 Speaker 1: or a headstone, and they cleared out the entire top.

11:33 Speaker 1: It's still under excavation underneath. But down you know, once

11:37 Speaker 1: they clear that out of there, there was all these

11:39 Speaker 1: tablets that literally show what what looked like stories right

11:42 Speaker 1: out of the Book of Enoch. I mean there's there's

11:45 Speaker 1: all the Egyptian characters, the elo keen looking beings and

11:49 Speaker 1: and uh so it's funny you say that with the

11:51 Speaker 1: alien situation, you know, you look back to who documented

11:54 Speaker 1: the first gray alien. It actually goes back to an

11:57 Speaker 1: occultist named Alistair Crawley who had an extreme in Egypt.

12:01 Speaker 1: So it's kind of an interesting coincidence that the United

12:05 Speaker 1: Kingdom claimed him to be the most dangerous man in

12:07 Speaker 1: America and we have this topic that seems like it

12:09 Speaker 1: has a brick wall in front of it, and you know,

12:12 Speaker 1: it's it's very it's it's hard to argue at this

12:14 Speaker 1: point of what we're seeing. It's it's these aliens are

12:17 Speaker 1: there's tons of different species and races. There's some with wings,

12:21 Speaker 1: there's some that have feet, there's some that have the

12:24 Speaker 1: specter like a Latin genie type tales like you would

12:27 Speaker 1: hear with a gin. You all these things in our

12:30 Speaker 1: mythology we're seeing on these pieces, and like on that

12:34 Speaker 1: one you just showed with that sarcophagus, there there's a

12:37 Speaker 1: beard that goes down there and it looks just like

12:39 Speaker 1: the Faro beard that King Tut the fifteen year old

12:42 Speaker 1: boy has strapped on his chin. And if you look

12:45 Speaker 1: at why they did that and strap this beard on,

12:48 Speaker 1: it was actually to emboldenize their their creators in Chemic

12:52 Speaker 1: and so you know, it's interesting to see these creator

12:55 Speaker 1: type beings who were you know, full of surrounded by

12:58 Speaker 1: alchemical symbols and different sorts of occult tools. Pieces from Egypt,

13:02 Speaker 1: I mean, we find jed pillars, we find the the

13:06 Speaker 1: rattle of of Hathor, we find you know, obviously anks

13:10 Speaker 1: and fine cones and and all the different things that

13:13 Speaker 1: you would see, even depictions of rings within rings and

13:17 Speaker 1: that sort of thing like is explained in the Book

13:19 Speaker 1: of Ezekiel.

13:20 Speaker 4: So right, it's right, yeah, And I mean so one

13:26 Speaker 4: of the things that I always say is that you know,

13:30 Speaker 4: I really do. I think there's this divide and and

13:34 Speaker 4: it's this this mainstream you know, really this mainstream narrative

13:41 Speaker 4: that if you know that that you know, this is

13:46 Speaker 4: when civilization came up. This is when civilization went from

13:49 Speaker 4: hunter gatherer to uh to like and uh the next

13:57 Speaker 4: level and the next level and the next level, you know, and.

14:00 Speaker 5: If you challenge that narrative, you are now someone who

14:04 Speaker 5: is against the narrative. So you know, you're you're not

14:08 Speaker 5: just challenging the the the dates, you're challenging uh, mainstream

14:14 Speaker 5: science and most people, I mean Grand Hancock is a

14:18 Speaker 5: good example of you know what when that goes right,

14:22 Speaker 5: But oftentimes that is not the case. And yeah, main

14:25 Speaker 5: mainstream science beats people down into this you know, very stigmatized,

14:33 Speaker 5: isolative uh bubble.

14:36 Speaker 4: Uh.

14:36 Speaker 5: So you know, these discoveries go unchecked because people write

14:40 Speaker 5: them off because uh quote unquote mainstream scientists says no,

14:45 Speaker 5: there's no way, and you know that that is just

14:49 Speaker 5: that's so stupid.

14:51 Speaker 4: Yeah.

14:52 Speaker 1: Yeah. The prime examples there in NASCAR mummies, the Roberts

14:56 Speaker 1: just underneath the sphinx paw. You know, there's quite a

14:59 Speaker 1: few of the and these are mainstream scientists like Robert Shock,

15:02 Speaker 1: a PhD, who is trying to say that there's logical

15:06 Speaker 1: science here and no one really has anything other than false, false,

15:10 Speaker 1: positive prone responses. And that's the tough part. I mean,

15:14 Speaker 1: Giorgio Suclos just came out against us, saying that everything

15:17 Speaker 1: that we're showing is one hundred percent fake for sure.

15:20 Speaker 1: And for him to claim that is really odd because

15:23 Speaker 1: first of all, he's not an archaeologist, he's a BA

15:26 Speaker 1: in sportscasting. And second of all, he hasn't laid any

15:30 Speaker 1: hands or anything. So to go off of pictures and

15:32 Speaker 1: just immediately claimed within one hundred percent certainty that something

15:35 Speaker 1: is false, it almost seems like they're attacking something that

15:38 Speaker 1: might be a threat or in challenge to their narrative.

15:41 Speaker 1: And if you look at the shows that this man

15:43 Speaker 1: owns and helps run with Prometheus, it's interesting because they're all,

15:48 Speaker 1: you know, prolonged things like Skinwalker, Wrench and Oak Island.

15:52 Speaker 1: You know, they want lots of seasons and they don't

15:54 Speaker 1: ever want this to end.

15:55 Speaker 4: So, but that's the fuck.

16:00 Speaker 5: The biggest fucking crazy thing is don't you think someone

16:05 Speaker 5: like Giorgio, who does have a vested interest in ancient

16:14 Speaker 5: alien hypothesis, why wouldn't.

16:19 Speaker 4: He look at this and be like, I want to

16:21 Speaker 4: know more?

16:22 Speaker 5: So, you know, the guy who's profiting, whose show is

16:26 Speaker 5: ran for nineteen goddamn seasons on History Channel, which talks about,

16:30 Speaker 5: you know, the all this stuff, why was he so

16:33 Speaker 5: quick to dismiss this?

16:35 Speaker 1: Yeah, and the same with the Buga sphere immediately says

16:38 Speaker 1: it's fake again and no research given. I know the

16:42 Speaker 1: team that has it to him and Massam and team,

16:44 Speaker 1: and I mean there's a lot of science that's already

16:47 Speaker 1: been proven on this that continually defies what we know.

16:50 Speaker 4: You know, you're talking about these spheres, right.

16:54 Speaker 1: The bugas sphere that they found, that aluminum one that

16:59 Speaker 1: I mean it looks like one of those orbs that's

17:00 Speaker 1: flying around. Yeah.

17:02 Speaker 5: Yeah, So that I find really interesting because we do

17:06 Speaker 5: have video of metal, metal, metallic looking spheres flying around

17:11 Speaker 5: and they it defies.

17:14 Speaker 4: I mean what we know to be conventional, you know,

17:18 Speaker 4: conventional aerodynamics, of course, but there's a lot of lore

17:24 Speaker 4: on those things.

17:25 Speaker 1: So I mean, what do you think of that?

17:28 Speaker 4: What do you think of those spheares? Do you think

17:30 Speaker 4: they're some sort of oaks? Are?

17:33 Speaker 1: We absolutely have, like you said, concrete evidence, even on

17:36 Speaker 1: Skinwalker Ranch, they've documented flying spheres on that show with

17:40 Speaker 1: their equipment, and not only that, but artists rendering it

17:43 Speaker 1: and it had this this band around the center of it.

17:46 Speaker 1: And I mean, so does the buga spheeres? So again

17:49 Speaker 1: to dismiss something like this, like you said, if you're

17:52 Speaker 1: invested in this topic, this should be the bread and

17:54 Speaker 1: butter of your future going forward. You should want to

17:57 Speaker 1: eat up every bit of this uh and and make

17:59 Speaker 1: shows about it. And if it's not right, you could

18:02 Speaker 1: make shows about disproving it, just to give your topic

18:05 Speaker 1: and your show more credibility. But instead, you know, I

18:08 Speaker 1: mean I read through the comments before that they were

18:10 Speaker 1: taken down, and I mean he was getting beat up

18:13 Speaker 1: over this this statement. So it's really interesting that someone

18:16 Speaker 1: would take a swing like that at these topics for

18:19 Speaker 1: what reason, you know, right, So.

18:24 Speaker 4: I want to when did you okay, And because I

18:29 Speaker 4: know you said it and we talked about it a

18:31 Speaker 4: little bit already, but I mean, you come into this

18:35 Speaker 4: this subject pretty skeptical. And when I say skeptical, I mean,

18:40 Speaker 4: are you talking about UFOs that you're skeptical that they exist?

18:46 Speaker 4: Or this idea that.

18:51 Speaker 5: You know, there's this race of beings that you know,

18:55 Speaker 5: the on Anaki story, right, that they genetically mutate human

19:01 Speaker 5: or Homo sapiens to create Homo sapiens sapien, you know,

19:06 Speaker 5: and they have a direct role that we were created.

19:09 Speaker 5: There's planet X are you were you skeptical of that

19:12 Speaker 5: or are you skeptical of all of it?

19:14 Speaker 1: I was skeptical of well. I mean for most of

19:17 Speaker 1: my adult life, until I was like thirty seven, I

19:20 Speaker 1: was skeptical of all spiritual religion whatsoever.

19:24 Speaker 4: You know.

19:24 Speaker 1: I always felt something when I performed music, and whenever

19:28 Speaker 1: I get into music deeply, like there's a spiritual connection there.

19:31 Speaker 1: So I know there's something, you know, But as far

19:33 Speaker 1: as the stories that we have in the books that

19:34 Speaker 1: we have, I just couldn't buy into any of it.

19:37 Speaker 1: And I just felt like I was being lied to

19:40 Speaker 1: and trying to be controlled and manipulated whenever I go

19:43 Speaker 1: to church. And so as far as the UFOs and

19:45 Speaker 1: the Anonachi story, I believed in the Ananachi story most

19:49 Speaker 1: likely or thought that that could be a very well

19:51 Speaker 1: logical explanation of how we got where we were because

19:54 Speaker 1: our chromosones mutated two undred fifty thousand years ago. There's

19:57 Speaker 1: a king's list that's two hundred fifty thousand years ago,

19:59 Speaker 1: and and to get everything balanced and in perfect synchronicity

20:03 Speaker 1: like we have. I mean, it's not just an accident.

20:06 Speaker 1: The Goldilocks zones that we have on this planet are

20:09 Speaker 1: so vast, you know, you take one, just like the bees.

20:12 Speaker 1: And Albert Einstein how he said that we couldn't survive

20:14 Speaker 1: without them. I mean that's significant engineering it at the

20:19 Speaker 1: highest level. So something like that made sense to me.

20:22 Speaker 1: But I didn't think that they were necessarily the aliens

20:24 Speaker 1: that they were showing on you know, Third and Eten

20:28 Speaker 1: or any of these movies per se like aliens movies.

20:30 Speaker 1: I really thought it was more of a spiritual type

20:32 Speaker 1: thing like the Ananaki. And when I read through Zacharia

20:36 Speaker 1: Sitchen's work when I started researching this, you know, the

20:39 Speaker 1: planet X thing was really I'm still very skeptical of it.

20:43 Speaker 1: I think that they might actually be talking about heaven,

20:45 Speaker 1: and so in order to publish things on these topics,

20:48 Speaker 1: it seems like when you bring religion into it, it

20:49 Speaker 1: becomes a minefield. And so I think some of these

20:53 Speaker 1: authors and some of these people who did these early

20:55 Speaker 1: translations had to be very careful so they didn't destroy

20:59 Speaker 1: the balance of what we've came to know was our religions.

21:03 Speaker 4: That's a very good point. It's a very that's a

21:06 Speaker 4: very valid point, because you know, religion is a funny thing.

21:13 Speaker 4: Religion is a funny thing because obviously people live and

21:17 Speaker 4: die by it, literally like literally live.

21:21 Speaker 5: And die by it, so you know, and you kind

21:26 Speaker 5: of see it in these Renaissance paintings as well, or

21:29 Speaker 5: you know, even paintings from before that.

21:32 Speaker 4: You know, let's take the picture of the baptism, the

21:37 Speaker 4: Baptism of.

21:38 Speaker 5: Christ right where John John the Baptist is is in

21:42 Speaker 5: the river Jordan with with Christ baptizing him, and there's

21:48 Speaker 5: a you know, beam coming down from what they called

21:52 Speaker 5: a cloud, but it's clearly looks like a flying saucer,

21:56 Speaker 5: and it's depicted that way in the painting, and you like,

22:01 Speaker 5: I mean, you do ask yourself like, is this all

22:03 Speaker 5: just misidentified you know technology, and when we say gods

22:08 Speaker 5: and they or when they said gods, did they mean

22:11 Speaker 5: what we mean when we talk about quote unquote aliens

22:14 Speaker 5: and what we think is to.

22:15 Speaker 4: Our people alien? Right? So what evidence?

22:21 Speaker 5: You know, what what among the evidence has really swayed

22:25 Speaker 5: you to the fact that we're dealing with the Bible

22:30 Speaker 5: stories and there's.

22:31 Speaker 4: At least truth to some of it.

22:33 Speaker 5: I mean, we found Troy, we found you know, we

22:36 Speaker 5: think we found Sodom and Gomorrah in places, so we

22:38 Speaker 5: know that there is truths.

22:40 Speaker 4: We know that there was most likely a flood. What

22:43 Speaker 4: other what what evidence really like brought you to the

22:47 Speaker 4: other side? Well, I thought I just heard something in here,

22:51 Speaker 4: dude knocking and there's nobody here. Yeah, oh all right,

23:01 Speaker 4: I'm sorry.

23:02 Speaker 1: No, as far as the evidence go, you know, I think, well,

23:07 Speaker 1: it was actually reading the Book of Knowledge by JJ

23:11 Speaker 1: Hurtok that slapped me in the face the hardest here.

23:15 Speaker 1: You know, I didn't know where to start. I didn't know,

23:17 Speaker 1: you know, I've tried to read the Bible. It's very confusing.

23:20 Speaker 1: All this is before AI. AI makes it a lot

23:22 Speaker 1: easier now to ask questions, but nonetheless, having questions is tough.

23:26 Speaker 1: And and I started reading that book here, someone an archaeologist,

23:30 Speaker 1: reached out to me and said that that these pieces

23:32 Speaker 1: resemble that book very very much and that I needed

23:35 Speaker 1: to look at it, and so I immediately went and

23:37 Speaker 1: found it. And I mean, it's hard to even explain

23:43 Speaker 1: because it's it was wrote back in nineteen seventy three,

23:45 Speaker 1: but the synchronicity and how deep it goes is deeper

23:49 Speaker 1: than I mean, anything I've ever encountered in my lifetime.

23:53 Speaker 1: Still to this day, it's Biblical on that proportion, no question.

23:56 Speaker 1: And the type of gomatria and stuff that's written into

23:59 Speaker 1: this thing is I mean, it's a beautiful piece of work,

24:03 Speaker 1: and so things like that. I think once I started

24:05 Speaker 1: to see these pictures and I started to believe that

24:08 Speaker 1: this was genuine, then those books were like a seed

24:11 Speaker 1: planted in my mind that I just had to I

24:14 Speaker 1: had a hard time to refute it. You know, when

24:16 Speaker 1: I was a young man, you know, twenty years ago,

24:19 Speaker 1: I was addicted to painkillers and I thought I was

24:22 Speaker 1: going out. I did not think I was going to

24:24 Speaker 1: make it through this incredibly tough time, and I didn't

24:27 Speaker 1: believe in anything at the time, and I actually I

24:29 Speaker 1: was so desperate. I got on my knees and I

24:31 Speaker 1: reached out for help and I apologized for everything that

24:33 Speaker 1: I had done. And from that moment on now everything

24:37 Speaker 1: is slightly shifted, you know, And I can't argue that

24:40 Speaker 1: that I've gravitated towards this topic and doing different things

24:44 Speaker 1: that have been emboldened to myself. Every day, like every

24:46 Speaker 1: day was this progressive forward if I wanted it to be,

24:50 Speaker 1: and before that it just seemed like it was a

24:52 Speaker 1: progressive backward. And so these little pieces have definitely been

24:56 Speaker 1: a chip on my shoulder to give me faith on

24:59 Speaker 1: that uncondition level. And seeing now what we see with

25:03 Speaker 1: all the pieces having Saturn on them and researching Saturn,

25:07 Speaker 1: looking at Jordan Maxwell's work and some of these others

25:10 Speaker 1: with Saturn specifically going into the Jewish religion, into the

25:15 Speaker 1: Muslim religion, and it's everywhere, even in the Catholic religion.

25:20 Speaker 1: And so we have this Saturn thing where the Romans

25:22 Speaker 1: came from in terms of what they believed. And I

25:25 Speaker 1: think that that's a really important thing because, like we

25:28 Speaker 1: were talking earlier, why would you attack certain things without

25:31 Speaker 1: science unless there was something that you didn't want to

25:33 Speaker 1: come from it. And so if you look at all

25:35 Speaker 1: the cancel culture in this world and all the things

25:38 Speaker 1: they've pushed away, you start looking at those as a

25:41 Speaker 1: possibility of oh, maybe they were trying to hide this

25:44 Speaker 1: from us. It starts clicking real quick. And the Demiurge

25:48 Speaker 1: with the Gnostics and the early Coptics, this story of

25:51 Speaker 1: the demiurge, if you place Saturn as the demiurge, and

25:54 Speaker 1: you place the Divine Mother or the Sofia, the isis

25:57 Speaker 1: whatever you want to call her, as the creator of

25:59 Speaker 1: this thing, and that we're trapped here. You know, even

26:03 Speaker 1: in the even in the scientology, they believe in a

26:06 Speaker 1: similar concept to the Demiurge, where we're trapped here and

26:09 Speaker 1: you look at someone's work like Stanley Kubrick with eyes

26:12 Speaker 1: wide shut and how much ridicule. I mean, he may

26:14 Speaker 1: have lost his life over this movie. They cut seventy

26:16 Speaker 1: some minutes of it and wouldn't show it to us,

26:19 Speaker 1: and it very well could expose this this elite that

26:22 Speaker 1: knows the truth that we're talking about right now, which

26:25 Speaker 1: is disclosure. And what disclosure is? Is it aliens from

26:28 Speaker 1: another planet or is there our ancient past that's been

26:31 Speaker 1: hidden from us. And that's kind of the question I

26:33 Speaker 1: leave it at now for myself is I don't know,

26:36 Speaker 1: you know.

26:37 Speaker 4: And that's the you know that that is one of

26:40 Speaker 4: the craziest aspects of this whole thing in my in

26:44 Speaker 4: my experience, you know, similar to yours, I was, I

26:50 Speaker 4: am an alcoholic.

26:52 Speaker 5: I just don't drink anymore, you know. I had my

26:57 Speaker 5: own experiences. I've been sober for five years now, aside

27:01 Speaker 5: from medical marijuana, uh here and there, here, here and there.

27:10 Speaker 5: But aside from I went four four years of abstinence

27:15 Speaker 5: and until I you know, my doctor was like because

27:18 Speaker 5: I had lost my mother, and you know, there's a

27:21 Speaker 5: whole backstory to that, and and and how.

27:24 Speaker 4: I came back to this topic, left Hollywood and came

27:27 Speaker 4: back to this topic. So for me, I have a

27:30 Speaker 4: very you know, I've I respect you a little bit more,

27:35 Speaker 4: you know, having you you you said something like that,

27:39 Speaker 4: because it does take a lot to admit that, you know,

27:42 Speaker 4: because one of the things in the UFO community is

27:46 Speaker 4: your credibility, right, and if someone can poke holes in

27:50 Speaker 4: your credibility and and try to use your past against you.

27:53 Speaker 4: We see this with like David Grush using his PTSD

27:57 Speaker 4: as a wartime veteran to try to undercut what he's saying.

28:01 Speaker 4: I mean, it's ludicroants and.

28:05 Speaker 5: With the with the community. So I mean, thank you

28:09 Speaker 5: for saying that. But why are we a species that

28:15 Speaker 5: is so advanced? And how do we not know our

28:18 Speaker 5: own origin story? So I start asking these questions right rhetorically,

28:24 Speaker 5: I'm asking them out loud, h why?

28:28 Speaker 1: And then.

28:30 Speaker 4: What what are these supposed aliens? What are these UFOs?

28:34 Speaker 4: What is that? And is it being covered up?

28:38 Speaker 5: And if it's being covered up, which it surely is,

28:42 Speaker 5: who's it being covered up by?

28:44 Speaker 4: And I argue that it's the same people that are

28:47 Speaker 4: in charge of the Epstein's, the ditties, those people.

28:52 Speaker 5: Who are controlling our origin story, our narrative, what gets

28:58 Speaker 5: out to the public in a mainstream they have. I mean,

29:02 Speaker 5: Rick Doty is a great example of how easy it

29:05 Speaker 5: is to pay off media Air Force.

29:07 Speaker 4: Osi did it all the time. We are living in

29:10 Speaker 4: a consensus reality with the consensus history.

29:16 Speaker 1: It's look at the seventy six percent of all media

29:20 Speaker 1: is controlled by the same investment firms. And if you

29:23 Speaker 1: look at who those investment firms are, they also own

29:25 Speaker 1: a lot of disclosure. Johnny Enoch actually brought it to

29:29 Speaker 1: the table here a couple few weeks actually it's been

29:31 Speaker 1: a couple months ago now, but he said specifically that

29:35 Speaker 1: Vanguard and Blackrock were invested into Gaya, and I couldn't

29:39 Speaker 1: believe it. I had to go look that up myself.

29:41 Speaker 1: But to know that now and to see that brick

29:44 Speaker 1: wall there, you start looking at that those two companies

29:46 Speaker 1: specifically and some of the things they've done politically and

29:49 Speaker 1: into this industry and other industries. The control that they

29:52 Speaker 1: have on the media and this cancel culture. Yeah, I

29:56 Speaker 1: mean that's why I brought up eyeswad shed because this

29:59 Speaker 1: this holly elite thing that people talk about, it absolutely

30:02 Speaker 1: could be controlling this part of history. And you look

30:05 Speaker 1: at things like scientology specifically being so predominant in this culture.

30:11 Speaker 1: I've started to research maybe why about that could be,

30:15 Speaker 1: and it's very interesting. I'm not a scientologist or anything

30:19 Speaker 1: like that, but just like I'm not any of these religions,

30:22 Speaker 1: I just find it very interesting to understand where they're

30:24 Speaker 1: coming from and how it might relate to the others.

30:27 Speaker 1: Because there's no way that only one person's right here

30:29 Speaker 1: and if you look at the way it talks about

30:32 Speaker 1: the evil deceiving and the Bible and stuff like that,

30:35 Speaker 1: it's eighty percent truth and twenty percent lies. Like that,

30:38 Speaker 1: they're going to use the truth to manipulate and pull

30:40 Speaker 1: you away. And so that's what disclosure right now, like

30:43 Speaker 1: this controlled disclosure movement is absolutely being narrated in a fashion.

30:49 Speaker 1: Even like you said, Grush and lou and all these

30:51 Speaker 1: people who have come out as whistleblowers, they still have

30:54 Speaker 1: to ask the government permission to say what they're going

30:56 Speaker 1: to say, and the government allows that, which is something

30:59 Speaker 1: that they obviously know this is moving in that direction

31:02 Speaker 1: and they want it. Others I probably wouldn't even be.

31:04 Speaker 5: Here, you know, controlled disclosure, right, Yeah, it's it's to

31:10 Speaker 5: avoid it's it's to avoid the alternative. And you know,

31:15 Speaker 5: it's funny that you mentioned that, because yes, all these

31:19 Speaker 5: quote unquote whistleblowers, they're not whistleblowers.

31:22 Speaker 4: By definition, they are not whistleblowers. If you go to

31:25 Speaker 4: good pre publication and ask for permission to say what

31:29 Speaker 4: you're saying, you are not a whistleblower. I apologize. You

31:34 Speaker 4: are not. You are a You're either unwitting.

31:39 Speaker 5: Or you you understand and and that you are a

31:43 Speaker 5: controlled narrative. You are a controlled disclosure agent, whether you.

31:48 Speaker 4: Like it or not. They you might do it with

31:51 Speaker 4: the best of intention, but you're not a whistleblower. They

31:54 Speaker 4: want you out.

31:55 Speaker 1: There saying this, right, and you look at let's go ahead,

32:00 Speaker 1: I'm gonna.

32:01 Speaker 4: Say you look at lou and the and the pictures. Right.

32:04 Speaker 4: He keeps coming up empty handed on these things, and

32:07 Speaker 4: you know that the Pentagon's laughing, going, oh my god,

32:11 Speaker 4: it's it's far too easy to just credit this guy

32:14 Speaker 4: at this point. Yeah. Ye.

32:17 Speaker 1: You look at the A Tip program and Sean Kirkpatrick

32:21 Speaker 1: and Brandon Fugel's little debate there that happened, and and

32:23 Speaker 1: then you also look at the I use Skinwalker Wrench

32:26 Speaker 1: here as well, because Travis Taylor, who's their PhD, was

32:28 Speaker 1: recommended by the History Channel, Brandon said on the interview

32:32 Speaker 1: with Sean Ryan. And so that's an interesting play. You know,

32:35 Speaker 1: obviously the network encouraged this PhD, and he's the one

32:40 Speaker 1: help and he's the one deciding what science gets done.

32:44 Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, you know, two or

32:46 Speaker 1: three years into the show, it's like, oh, by the way,

32:48 Speaker 1: I'm a government agent as well, and I worked for him. Yeah,

32:51 Speaker 1: and they didn't know, you know, So that's infiltrated there.

32:54 Speaker 1: But now Travis is also on Ancient Aliens and other programs,

32:57 Speaker 1: so it's like, you know, the government is involved with

33:00 Speaker 1: these TV shows as well.

33:02 Speaker 5: And that's why now now people are gonna wonder why

33:06 Speaker 5: I let us down this path to come full circle here.

33:10 Speaker 4: That is why you might have some people.

33:16 Speaker 5: Like who should have a vested interest in this, like

33:20 Speaker 5: the Ancient alien folks who outright say it's fake because

33:25 Speaker 5: they are controlled by somebody and the real stuff is

33:30 Speaker 5: being hidden from you. So that's the full circle moment

33:34 Speaker 5: there for everybody.

33:35 Speaker 1: That's that's what I got when Linda moultenhow ghosted me

33:39 Speaker 1: there that that's all it felt like, is when she

33:41 Speaker 1: went to tell her producers that I was going to

33:44 Speaker 1: be on Earth Files, she got shut down, is what

33:45 Speaker 1: it felt like. Because she was the most genuine, nice lady.

33:48 Speaker 1: She's a she's a Stater from Idaho. She's just she's

33:53 Speaker 1: just great, Like I really got great vibes and were

33:55 Speaker 1: we worked well together. So for for that to happen,

33:58 Speaker 1: I knew something at a higher level had to have

34:00 Speaker 1: occurred to postpone that you know.

34:04 Speaker 5: Yeah, and listen, I will say this about Linda because

34:07 Speaker 5: I had her on the show.

34:08 Speaker 4: She was nothing but great. Like timing. All right, I

34:12 Speaker 4: want to bring it back. So you've dedicated the last

34:14 Speaker 4: five years of your mission, five years of your life

34:20 Speaker 4: to this mission?

34:21 Speaker 1: All right?

34:22 Speaker 4: Was there ever a moment?

34:24 Speaker 5: Could that moment be now where the truth felt too

34:28 Speaker 5: dangerous or too unbelievable to pursue?

34:32 Speaker 1: No? No, no, Because at this point I knew that

34:36 Speaker 1: if I had something happened to me because of this truth,

34:39 Speaker 1: then I would know in my heart factually and would

34:42 Speaker 1: have the most ultimate, unconditional faith in God at that point,

34:45 Speaker 1: because it would all click because I know the story,

34:47 Speaker 1: I've seen the pieces, and I know what they're hiding,

34:49 Speaker 1: and so if anything ever happened, that would be an

34:52 Speaker 1: immediate And then, you know, I asked someone like Scott

34:55 Speaker 1: Walter who's vetted into the A Tip, and he told

34:58 Speaker 1: me specifically like this was research that needed to be done,

35:01 Speaker 1: you know. And so I think, I think there's a

35:03 Speaker 1: lot of people rooting for this, and uh, you know,

35:07 Speaker 1: as far as the danger goes, I've never been contacted,

35:09 Speaker 1: I've reached out to the I NAH. I've reached out

35:12 Speaker 1: to the Vice President. I've reached out to Customs and

35:15 Speaker 1: Border Patrol and dhl ups, all these places that were

35:20 Speaker 1: handling my packages. As I would bring these pieces in.

35:22 Speaker 1: I wanted to make sure I wasn't violating any laws.

35:25 Speaker 1: I actually have letterhead from the I NAH on Mexican

35:29 Speaker 1: state paper that says that anything with a UFO or

35:34 Speaker 1: an alien on it has to be modern, as those

35:37 Speaker 1: things were created in modern times. So that that's the

35:41 Speaker 1: way they left it. They wouldn't do any C. Fourteen,

35:43 Speaker 1: they wouldn't come out to the site, they wouldn't do

35:45 Speaker 1: any science whatsoever.

35:48 Speaker 5: Wait, so, because you use the word alien, and I

35:54 Speaker 5: don't know how you guys framed it, maybe I'm I'm

35:57 Speaker 5: speaking because I'm a layman in this.

35:58 Speaker 4: In this because the word UFO or alien or or.

36:02 Speaker 5: The connotation was there, they won't touch this. They they

36:06 Speaker 5: just assume that it's memorabilia and that they don't have

36:11 Speaker 5: to do anything with it.

36:12 Speaker 1: Yep, yep. Oh yeah, you can buy them all day long.

36:17 Speaker 1: I have thousands of these pieces in my house right now.

36:20 Speaker 4: Can you grab a couple of the most compelling things

36:23 Speaker 4: and maybe talk so I want to take this time

36:27 Speaker 4: because I know you have it. Can you grab a

36:29 Speaker 4: couple of pieces and the most compelling and like the ones.

36:35 Speaker 5: That you can you can describe and show us a

36:37 Speaker 5: little bit of detail of of of really compelling things

36:41 Speaker 5: that you that have been labeled as as labeled as

36:45 Speaker 5: memorabilia or you know, what has to be modern day created.

36:50 Speaker 1: So these are of bronze work. The metal work is

36:53 Speaker 1: really where it's at because you can see the patina,

36:56 Speaker 1: you know. I asked Ai about the patina on some

36:59 Speaker 1: of these objects, and they said that the iridescence and

37:02 Speaker 1: the way they looked were completely impossible to make forgeries though,

37:07 Speaker 1: I mean, some of these crystal skulls and things are

37:09 Speaker 1: you know, fifty sixty pounds of courts. I mean, we

37:13 Speaker 1: don't see this type of stuff let alone. They're not

37:16 Speaker 1: just you know, beautiful carvings, but they're also tattooed with extensive,

37:21 Speaker 1: extensive amounts of work. You know, every ounce of it

37:25 Speaker 1: has carvings. You know, they can't Optic jars were a

37:28 Speaker 1: big one for me. Sorry it's a little unsteady, but

37:31 Speaker 1: these things here, I mean they absolutely stink inside. They

37:34 Speaker 1: have the worst smell like they were actually utilized with

37:37 Speaker 1: organs at one point inside of them. Oh yeah, it's

37:41 Speaker 1: stunk up my entire room. When I got them, I

37:43 Speaker 1: was blown away. Some of the whistles and things like this.

37:47 Speaker 1: I mean, this is a like a twenty pound rock

37:49 Speaker 1: whistle where the eyes are the reeds, it's all hollowed

37:52 Speaker 1: out in there, you know, the mouthpieces back here and

37:56 Speaker 1: so stuff like that where it's in tune.

37:58 Speaker 4: I mean, these these are all things that have been

38:02 Speaker 4: on These things have been uncovered. Yes, for the most part,

38:07 Speaker 4: these have been dug out.

38:08 Speaker 1: Documents, a lot of it on our on our YouTube

38:12 Speaker 1: and and documentaries. I wrote like you see, like you said,

38:15 Speaker 1: six books. The newest one I did, Forbidden Relics, is

38:18 Speaker 1: just full of of you know, every piece those, man,

38:27 Speaker 1: I'm gonna the studio.

38:31 Speaker 4: Do it.

38:32 Speaker 1: I'm gonna see if I can get one with the

38:33 Speaker 1: green here you can see see how it turns green.

38:36 Speaker 1: It's it's light in here, so you can't see it

38:38 Speaker 1: very well. But all these pieces have a luminescence or

38:41 Speaker 1: phosphor and property.

38:43 Speaker 4: Why is that turning green like that?

38:46 Speaker 1: Well, they all have this green phosphorescence or luminescence about them.

38:53 Speaker 1: I mean you can see it's just laced into the

38:55 Speaker 1: carvings in some of them and others it's blue. It's green.

39:00 Speaker 1: This one here will change from green to blue.

39:04 Speaker 5: Do the skulls ever? Now this is things I've heard

39:08 Speaker 5: from other people, But do the skulls ever?

39:11 Speaker 4: Just like move?

39:13 Speaker 1: No, I haven't had any weird pirinormal activities or anything

39:18 Speaker 1: like that yet.

39:20 Speaker 4: I'm not.

39:22 Speaker 1: That I've seen the only thing that's been kind of

39:24 Speaker 1: strange was that when we first came in go there

39:27 Speaker 1: all right, When we first started this, I had about

39:29 Speaker 1: sixty seventy these pieces that I had just gotten. We

39:32 Speaker 1: bought a large collection from a collector in Mexico. And

39:35 Speaker 1: the fact that people in Mexico collect these things and

39:38 Speaker 1: are hard to come off of them sometimes that's also

39:41 Speaker 1: pretty interesting evidence just you know, they would likely know

39:46 Speaker 1: if these were being mass produced or if they were

39:48 Speaker 1: part of their history. And so, you know, that brings

39:53 Speaker 1: me to a point of there's a gentleman named Max

39:56 Speaker 1: that he did an interview in my book Ananaki America,

40:00 Speaker 1: and he goes through and explains that, you know, he

40:02 Speaker 1: worked with the I. N. A. H. And that's how

40:05 Speaker 1: he learned how to get these things out can you.

40:09 Speaker 4: You've said I, I can't even say that right.

40:13 Speaker 1: So it's the Institute of National Archaeology and Anthropology.

40:18 Speaker 4: Okay, and okay, So for anyone who's just listening, that's

40:22 Speaker 4: what that is and watching, Uh because I I wanted

40:27 Speaker 4: to know, I forgot to ask earlier. I didn't want

40:29 Speaker 4: to interrupt. But okay, So that's like the that's like

40:32 Speaker 4: mainstream archaeology guys are contacting.

40:35 Speaker 1: That's the government archaeological Ministry of History essentially.

40:40 Speaker 5: Okay, And again they're what they're saying about these pieces

40:44 Speaker 5: is they're not actually artifacts. They are modern day carvings

40:52 Speaker 5: because they can't possibly be artifacts because and then do

40:57 Speaker 5: you see what so have you have you done any

41:00 Speaker 5: independent testing on like like radiocarbon dating or yeah, yeah,

41:06 Speaker 5: so what do you what are your some of your

41:08 Speaker 5: results here? What are we what are we looking at

41:10 Speaker 5: for time frames on these some of these So.

41:12 Speaker 1: It depends on the area. What's interesting is is there's

41:15 Speaker 1: a book by JJ Benitez who did thermo luminous and

41:19 Speaker 1: dating of these tablets from the Mico chon that have

41:22 Speaker 1: These were the ones that Linda Moulton Howe brought into

41:24 Speaker 1: Stanford Research and they had bappomit and things on there,

41:27 Speaker 1: like the Lady Guadaloupe that were just hard to fathom

41:30 Speaker 1: that they would be ancient. And the dates there were

41:33 Speaker 1: eighteen hundred and twenty five years plus or minus one

41:36 Speaker 1: twenty five, which is an interesting you know, two to

41:39 Speaker 1: three hundred years a d. And that that's an interesting

41:43 Speaker 1: time frame because some of the pieces show the Lady

41:46 Speaker 1: Guadalupe as well as a crucified beings as well, and

41:51 Speaker 1: so that's that's one age. And the mico Con tribe

41:54 Speaker 1: they tell me that this is an oral tradition that

41:58 Speaker 1: their land was used as a genet manipulation ground where

42:02 Speaker 1: they've created many different races that used to roam there.

42:06 Speaker 1: And we actually found biological evidence that it's a body

42:09 Speaker 1: very very similar to a nasca among me, but it

42:11 Speaker 1: way more Reptilian. And it's documented in my book this

42:16 Speaker 1: Ananaki the maso America connection.

42:18 Speaker 4: And.

42:20 Speaker 1: So there's there's the biology is obviously that's something that

42:24 Speaker 1: still needs to be dated. But if you go to

42:25 Speaker 1: a Waylos di Alisco where I first started, there's pipe

42:29 Speaker 1: resin from twelve thou six hundred years ago that Scott

42:32 Speaker 1: Walter had carbon dated there's pieces that range from twelve

42:35 Speaker 1: to twenty five thousand years ago that have been carbon

42:38 Speaker 1: dated through the adhesive, and the adhesive on there is

42:41 Speaker 1: a red blue I'll show you an example here with

42:46 Speaker 1: one of these pieces. But there's this red adhesive that

42:49 Speaker 1: that glues these things together. You can see this red

42:52 Speaker 1: in between these lines that glue the stone to these

42:54 Speaker 1: other stones. And this is a pipe here, and so

42:59 Speaker 1: these sometimes have resin that can be scraped out of them,

43:02 Speaker 1: and that's what he carbon dated there. And then as

43:04 Speaker 1: well as the adhesive. We have some some bones right

43:07 Speaker 1: now that are these daggers. I can show you it right.

43:13 Speaker 1: So this is a dagger that we took this knob

43:16 Speaker 1: off here. It had a big bone, you know, joint thing,

43:19 Speaker 1: and so that's what we sent to the lab and

43:21 Speaker 1: it will be dated. But this normally was a handle

43:24 Speaker 1: for an obsidian dagger.

43:27 Speaker 4: My god. So okay, so you know you you talked

43:32 Speaker 4: about twelve thousand, six hundred years ago or did you

43:38 Speaker 4: say twelve thousand, six.

43:39 Speaker 1: Hundred yes, twelve thousand, six hundred BC. I'm sorry, he's

43:43 Speaker 1: actually like fourteen thousand years old or something like that.

43:46 Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, And now essentially what you are saying is,

43:53 Speaker 4: if we are to take these tools, these are evidence

44:00 Speaker 4: of a civilization that existed well before the Ice Age

44:06 Speaker 4: and the younger, dryest impact, and these are some of

44:11 Speaker 4: the remnants or you know, some of the artifacts of

44:18 Speaker 4: those lost civilizations and lost cultures, like say Atlantis. We

44:23 Speaker 4: don't have to put terms to it, but like Atlantis

44:26 Speaker 4: to give up a visualization.

44:28 Speaker 1: There's a lot of story from toolas specifically, whereasas where

44:31 Speaker 1: we're finding a lot of these pieces that they have

44:34 Speaker 1: the Atlantean survivors that came there. And if you look

44:38 Speaker 1: at like this here, this is a star map and

44:40 Speaker 1: it clearly shows the Ple eightes at a place. And

44:42 Speaker 1: if you look at where the north is with the

44:45 Speaker 1: sea on there, you can see with AI it'll tell

44:48 Speaker 1: you how old that thing is and it comes out

44:50 Speaker 1: at a thousand BC on that one. But the star

44:53 Speaker 1: maps range and there's quite a few star maps like

44:56 Speaker 1: these you've seen probably from Iraq or ter and they're

45:01 Speaker 1: called an astrolabe, and it shows all the different constellations.

45:05 Speaker 1: But you can put this into a program and it'll

45:07 Speaker 1: show when the last time the procession was in that area,

45:11 Speaker 1: and it gives a pretty fine range. So the tool

45:14 Speaker 1: pieces seem to all have these star maps in the

45:17 Speaker 1: twenty five hundred BC to five hundred a D range,

45:20 Speaker 1: and so the away those stuff looks a lot different.

45:23 Speaker 1: The type of creation is way different. The language on

45:25 Speaker 1: the pieces is completely different, which is a big thing

45:28 Speaker 1: for me. If the age is that much different in

45:30 Speaker 1: a different language, it really brings the story of Babel

45:34 Speaker 1: into consideration here. And so if this Babel and this

45:37 Speaker 1: flood thing happened, we might have a pre flood civilization

45:41 Speaker 1: and a post flood rebuilding of what they you know,

45:44 Speaker 1: the survivors or something. And that might be what the

45:46 Speaker 1: Spanish and you know things came down on in this area,

45:52 Speaker 1: you know, all the Second Crusader, whatever you want to

45:54 Speaker 1: call it. You know.

45:56 Speaker 5: So that's exactly what I was going to say, is

45:59 Speaker 5: is you have evidence of and and that's what I

46:04 Speaker 5: think we need to do as people like not as

46:08 Speaker 5: as as human beings. We need to not dismiss religious

46:15 Speaker 5: texts and other texts because they're not the religion that

46:19 Speaker 5: you follow.

46:20 Speaker 4: What happens is what we need to do is take

46:23 Speaker 4: a step back, all of us and start looking at

46:27 Speaker 4: it as a all right, let's piece this together because

46:30 Speaker 4: everyone seems to have a little piece of the puzzle, right,

46:35 Speaker 4: but we can all agree, you know, we have to

46:36 Speaker 4: find the common denominators. And because it seems that all

46:41 Speaker 4: of our religions theoretically, you know, I'm speaking in very

46:45 Speaker 4: vague manners here, but theoretically they're all really saying a

46:50 Speaker 4: very similar thing. And they all have this really similar

46:54 Speaker 4: story and the heroes and the villains.

46:57 Speaker 5: And the bad and the good and the creation, and

47:00 Speaker 5: you know, then then comes science, and science is just

47:04 Speaker 5: a modern way of it's it's a modern way of

47:09 Speaker 5: reassuring ourselves that we are the alpha species by saying,

47:13 Speaker 5: you know, but this is the same the same scientists

47:18 Speaker 5: who cannot tell you what consciousness is. So of course,

47:22 Speaker 5: you know, science is flawed, but it makes us feel

47:26 Speaker 5: better when we say it, right, it's science, it's science.

47:30 Speaker 4: Is it all just the same fucking thing? When you know,

47:35 Speaker 4: there's these ancient beings that had crazy technology and uh,

47:41 Speaker 4: something happened and wipe them out. Whether it was a flood,

47:44 Speaker 4: it looks like that's the case, But what what caused

47:47 Speaker 4: that flood? You know, I think we have really a

47:51 Speaker 4: lot to learn from these religious stories if we could

47:54 Speaker 4: just step back, and I mean the Tower of Babble

47:56 Speaker 4: is a great story, you know, metaphorically about our species

48:01 Speaker 4: is you know, because what is the ultimate what is

48:05 Speaker 4: the ultimate good? What is the ultimate force? And that

48:11 Speaker 4: is a united human race? Right, a united human race.

48:15 Speaker 4: There's nothing that we could not achieve.

48:18 Speaker 1: Nothing.

48:19 Speaker 4: So you know, we grow and we get too close

48:22 Speaker 4: to the gods and then we're struck down and we're

48:24 Speaker 4: separated by religion, by creed, and we love to do that.

48:28 Speaker 4: We love to separate each other right and put ourselves

48:31 Speaker 4: in groups, and then we like to discriminate. So are

48:34 Speaker 4: we cursed with that for some reason?

48:37 Speaker 5: Because together we are a force to be reckoned with?

48:42 Speaker 5: Have we been hampered with? To be to stay in line?

48:47 Speaker 4: If you will?

48:48 Speaker 5: And to you know, it's you start asking all these

48:51 Speaker 5: questions and and and it's like for me, it's it's

48:54 Speaker 5: obvious that like what we need to do.

48:57 Speaker 4: It's but like why can't we do it? Right?

49:01 Speaker 1: We only use twenty percent of our brain for what now?

49:04 Speaker 1: You know? Right, It's like yeah, it's like I think

49:07 Speaker 1: that's really important.

49:08 Speaker 5: You know, if some stupid motherfucker and part of my language,

49:13 Speaker 5: so if some guy from Boston can can come to

49:18 Speaker 5: these conclusions that maybe we all should step back and

49:22 Speaker 5: look at this with fresh eyes and compare notes. Instead

49:26 Speaker 5: of you know, murdering each other and holding the world

49:30 Speaker 5: hostage with weapons.

49:32 Speaker 4: Of mass destruction and relying on something with the acronym MAD.

49:39 Speaker 4: You know, let's hold the let's hold the people of

49:42 Speaker 4: the world.

49:42 Speaker 5: Hostage because of our belief systems, of which God is real,

49:48 Speaker 5: because that's what we do most of our murdering in

49:51 Speaker 5: is God name is God's name.

49:53 Speaker 4: So you know, I, you know, people think that we're

49:57 Speaker 4: more advanced now. I don't know.

49:59 Speaker 1: I don't know. I think I think if we really

50:03 Speaker 1: have these genetic manipulators who have created us, like the

50:06 Speaker 1: anonarchy or something's managing our species in this fashion. Let's

50:10 Speaker 1: say you were managing a species of let's just say

50:12 Speaker 1: corn on a farm, and you were trying to breed

50:14 Speaker 1: a corn that was going to make it through a

50:16 Speaker 1: hurricane or some sort of disaster, right, and so you

50:19 Speaker 1: have to plant all these seeds. You have to find

50:21 Speaker 1: the ones that are stable. You have to breed them together.

50:23 Speaker 1: You have to create phenotype after phenotype after phenotype to

50:27 Speaker 1: breed out the issues to get them stable again. All

50:31 Speaker 1: these things, well, if you were trying to do that

50:32 Speaker 1: really fast with a living race with intelligence, you would

50:36 Speaker 1: want them to go through war. You would want them

50:38 Speaker 1: to go through the challenges so they could inherit the

50:40 Speaker 1: wisdom in a timely fashion. That could be why our

50:43 Speaker 1: age in the Bible was reduced down to one hundred

50:45 Speaker 1: and twenty years. That after it was it was likely

50:47 Speaker 1: after the you know, the the resurrection, that this occurred,

50:51 Speaker 1: possibly or somewhere. It doesn't specifically say that I know of,

50:54 Speaker 1: but I'm guessing that's that's where it's at, right, because

50:58 Speaker 1: you look at the people in the anti diluver and

51:00 Speaker 1: they were all old, and then you know, after Moses,

51:03 Speaker 1: I think it's pretty much, you know, right after the Exodus.

51:06 Speaker 1: It's it's right, it's one hundred and twenty years. So

51:09 Speaker 1: these things are are all there maybe for us like

51:13 Speaker 1: this mystery and us even talking right now. Would we

51:16 Speaker 1: be doing this if everything was good and we were

51:18 Speaker 1: all working together as one, and would we have anything

51:20 Speaker 1: to work on if we didn't have the threat of

51:22 Speaker 1: death and the survivalism that we have today?

51:25 Speaker 4: Those are those are all very very fair points.

51:28 Speaker 2: By the way.

51:30 Speaker 4: I I I tend to. Did you see we Haimi Moussan,

51:36 Speaker 4: I'm not Heimi Mussan. Jesus.

51:39 Speaker 5: Did you see Zahi Hawas on Rogan saying that not

51:44 Speaker 5: not only did he say multiple times that he was

51:46 Speaker 5: a scientist, but he wasn't a scientist.

51:49 Speaker 4: And you know he is an archaeologist, but he's not.

51:52 Speaker 4: So not only does that guy not know what the

51:54 Speaker 4: fuck he is? But and and he and but he

51:57 Speaker 4: said he never heard of the King's List and no nothing,

52:05 Speaker 4: So I'm.

52:07 Speaker 1: Sorry, please, there's no paper on it.

52:10 Speaker 5: I guess you know, yeah, you and because because it

52:13 Speaker 5: wasn't discovered by Zaki himself, it does not exist.

52:17 Speaker 4: And he's so he's open minded, but he does not

52:21 Speaker 4: have time for theories like, bro, which one is it?

52:25 Speaker 4: Because you can't be both, You're an idiot.

52:29 Speaker 1: I'm really bad on that though, because I my whole life,

52:32 Speaker 1: I mean, I was a skeptic of this because I

52:33 Speaker 1: didn't have the science on it. And even with I mean,

52:35 Speaker 1: so the carbon dates are conceived or you know, the

52:38 Speaker 1: Magnins deposits on this copper whistle, like there's there's things

52:42 Speaker 1: on here that that are just signs of age that

52:44 Speaker 1: you're not going to get very easily, but still it's

52:47 Speaker 1: not science. It's going to prove to someone like that

52:50 Speaker 1: that this is real or not. And I think that's

52:52 Speaker 1: where we've had to really step back and look at

52:54 Speaker 1: these pieces and try to find what about them. And

52:57 Speaker 1: this is actually we're working on a pure reviewed paper.

53:00 Speaker 1: Can't go extremely and deep about it, but there's peer

53:03 Speaker 1: review on these pieces that are going to show that

53:06 Speaker 1: the way these are made and constructed is not something

53:09 Speaker 1: that we can do today. And I can I can

53:11 Speaker 1: pretty much just leave it at that.

53:13 Speaker 5: Would you would you be open to being flown into

53:18 Speaker 5: the studio with some of those pieces after the peer

53:21 Speaker 5: reviewed paper comes out and talk and walk us through

53:29 Speaker 5: of course, you know, because what I what I think

53:32 Speaker 5: most people don't understand is peer reviewed papers are I mean,

53:37 Speaker 5: it's basically you submitting it to the science community and

53:41 Speaker 5: saying this is what we found.

53:43 Speaker 4: You know, now the science community can look it over,

53:46 Speaker 4: and they can.

53:47 Speaker 5: Because exactly most of most of what they're trying to

53:50 Speaker 5: do is prove you wrong, honestly.

53:53 Speaker 4: So, but it's the.

53:55 Speaker 5: Best way for these things to move forward in and

53:58 Speaker 5: open and environment, and and that is the way that

54:02 Speaker 5: things are done. So but the general audience really doesn't

54:06 Speaker 5: know what a peer reviewed paper that they don't they

54:08 Speaker 5: will not sit and read a peer reviewed paper. So

54:12 Speaker 5: maybe you can come on show us some of the

54:14 Speaker 5: pieces and talk us through Layman's terms of like what

54:18 Speaker 5: happened to happened for this to be ruled this? What

54:20 Speaker 5: are the implications of this? Because I mean all right,

54:25 Speaker 5: say say what is the oldest.

54:31 Speaker 4: Known what is the oldest mainstream recognized uhh site? What

54:41 Speaker 4: what is the old is it?

54:42 Speaker 1: Go back?

54:42 Speaker 4: Go Beckley's happy, right, I would.

54:45 Speaker 1: Say, go Beckley Tippy or Caring Tippy there.

54:47 Speaker 4: Yeah, right, it's one of those, one of those too.

54:50 Speaker 4: So a lot of what you're what you have would

54:56 Speaker 4: even predate predate that by a long shot, or.

55:01 Speaker 1: Be in consistence with that. I mean there could be

55:04 Speaker 1: and how who knows because of the lack of excavation

55:08 Speaker 1: and the lack of knowledge of that era. You know

55:12 Speaker 1: what else we haven't found in the ground. I think

55:14 Speaker 1: with these SAR scans and stuff that they're showing in

55:17 Speaker 1: Egypt that we might see some of these sites be

55:19 Speaker 1: able to be looked at with a little bit more

55:21 Speaker 1: peeled back mentality. I mean, you look at what light

55:24 Speaker 1: oar's done to the jungle, and there's all kinds of

55:27 Speaker 1: cities and stuff we didn't even know about. However, to

55:30 Speaker 1: get there and to to actually get the permits and

55:32 Speaker 1: the science to fund it that there seems to be

55:35 Speaker 1: a real brick wall, because some of these have been

55:36 Speaker 1: discovered for a decade and we haven't even really scratched

55:39 Speaker 1: the surface, you know. And then they said the same

55:41 Speaker 1: with go Beckley Teppe. It's going to take one hundred

55:43 Speaker 1: years to fully excavate that site. I mean one hundred years.

55:48 Speaker 1: Really is this Oak Island Part two? I mean, I

55:52 Speaker 1: don't know. Man. It's really crazy though, to think that

55:55 Speaker 1: we can't get in there and get it done. But

55:58 Speaker 1: and that's the thing.

55:58 Speaker 5: Another thing, because and I don't want to I don't

56:02 Speaker 5: want to attack Zahi here, but you know, he Rogan

56:06 Speaker 5: brings up these recent scans that they did, and.

56:11 Speaker 4: He Zahi almost.

56:13 Speaker 5: Immediately dismisses it by saying, yep, it's not I I

56:20 Speaker 5: ran it. He says, I ran it by the scientists

56:25 Speaker 5: in the world on this and they said it's impossible.

56:29 Speaker 5: And so I mean these people, because you know, Zigi's

56:37 Speaker 5: the gatekeeper for Egyptology.

56:39 Speaker 4: He makes the decisions.

56:41 Speaker 5: Somehow, he makes the decisions on everything and anything that

56:45 Speaker 5: happens in Egypt.

56:46 Speaker 4: So he has become the gatekeeper.

56:48 Speaker 5: And if you go against what he is saying, then

56:51 Speaker 5: you are not allowed to talk about it in a

56:54 Speaker 5: serious way, and that's the danger.

56:57 Speaker 4: I'm glad he went on Rogan. I'm glad he looked

56:59 Speaker 4: like an it because I'm came off as arrogant, because

57:03 Speaker 4: that's who that guy is. He smokes his cigar and

57:06 Speaker 4: he fucking yells at people and screams.

57:10 Speaker 5: I mean he's known for that on documentaries, yelling and

57:13 Speaker 5: screaming and fit and ship.

57:15 Speaker 4: So like, that's not a to me.

57:18 Speaker 5: That's not a serious, serious scientist. That's a business man,

57:22 Speaker 5: right ye.

57:23 Speaker 4: So you know, but the what do you think? What

57:27 Speaker 4: do you think the implications of these pillars under the

57:31 Speaker 4: Great Pyramid would be? And the and things like Robert Schock,

57:34 Speaker 4: you know, if we find this this thing below the

57:38 Speaker 4: Sphinx's bam.

57:40 Speaker 1: Mm hmm. I think there's definitely something down there. I mean,

57:44 Speaker 1: we we've we've got messages in certain areas that thought

57:48 Speaker 1: left certain things and they're not supposed to be opened,

57:51 Speaker 1: and there's all kinds of of you know, rumors and

57:54 Speaker 1: and things about Egypt. But if you look at the

57:56 Speaker 1: team and and they're science that they've presented, there's absolute

58:00 Speaker 1: nothing in my brain that says that we should not

58:02 Speaker 1: at least double check based off of these scans. And

58:05 Speaker 1: those top scientists in the world to say it's impossible,

58:08 Speaker 1: but they don't bring any science to say why it's impossible.

58:11 Speaker 1: And we know that we have scanners that can look

58:14 Speaker 1: into the ground, and we see these scan and then

58:16 Speaker 1: we see other scans from this same company satellite underneath

58:20 Speaker 1: laboratories and things like that, showing these you know, two

58:23 Speaker 1: hundred feet in the ground bases and stuff like that.

58:26 Speaker 1: So you have to really wonder, I mean, why aren't

58:29 Speaker 1: we doing a core sample here? I mean, it wouldn't

58:31 Speaker 1: take much to do a core sample to see if

58:33 Speaker 1: there was a structures underneath this thing.

58:35 Speaker 5: Right, Well, that's I mean, I don't know if you want,

58:38 Speaker 5: I don't know how far you went into this, but

58:39 Speaker 5: I figure you would.

58:41 Speaker 4: You would have gone into it a lot because it

58:43 Speaker 4: is that field that you're in, you know, sort of.

58:46 Speaker 5: But Flint Dibble when he was on Pierce Morgan, he

58:52 Speaker 5: you know, he he like screamed about He's.

58:56 Speaker 4: Like, you cannot dig at the Sphinx And it was like,

59:00 Speaker 4: what do you mean, dude, They're digging all the fucking time. Yeah,

59:04 Speaker 4: like you can they core samples of of that area.

59:08 Speaker 4: Like you're not gonna You're not gonna blow the synks

59:10 Speaker 4: up because you took a core sample two hundred yards

59:14 Speaker 4: to the north. Like, this guy's out of his mind and.

59:17 Speaker 5: He represents quote unquote mainstream science in archaeology.

59:22 Speaker 1: So he went up against Graham Hancock on a debate

59:25 Speaker 1: on Joe Roman here a couple of maybe a year

59:27 Speaker 1: ago or something like that, and you know, he really

59:30 Speaker 1: was just pushing all these things. And what one thing

59:33 Speaker 1: was that that he came out and said actually helped

59:36 Speaker 1: our argument heavily was that that, you know, because a

59:39 Speaker 1: lot of these objects they come out of the ground

59:41 Speaker 1: and they don't have the right type of erosion. And

59:43 Speaker 1: this is a prime example here. You know that this

59:46 Speaker 1: type of stone here might actually have a glaze on

59:48 Speaker 1: it and may actually be ancient pottery or ceramic and

59:52 Speaker 1: exotic ceramic that that is there because it has a

59:54 Speaker 1: phosphorescence like pre Hispanic pottery. However, it does register a

59:59 Speaker 1: stone when you XRF and and look at it with analysis.

1:00:04 Speaker 4: But what is that?

1:00:05 Speaker 1: What is that like? What?

1:00:08 Speaker 4: Because it looks to me it looks like a like

1:00:10 Speaker 4: a tobacco pipe.

1:00:12 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a pipe for sure, in tobacco and other

1:00:17 Speaker 1: not anything a psychedelic or anything was found when they

1:00:19 Speaker 1: examined the resin that Scott had. It was just tobacco

1:00:23 Speaker 1: and a couple other herbs that are local to that area.

1:00:27 Speaker 1: But yeah, they definitely smoked, you know.

1:00:30 Speaker 5: So so okay, that's what I was gonna ask, is

1:00:33 Speaker 5: so what we're saying is advanced. So this idea of

1:00:38 Speaker 5: of uh, you know, smoking tobacco and something about tobacco.

1:00:43 Speaker 4: And and uh smoking like lighting it on fire and

1:00:47 Speaker 4: inhaling it. This seems to be another thing that's passed

1:00:50 Speaker 4: down through like culture ritualistically to begin with. I think

1:00:57 Speaker 4: nowadays obviously, like you know, we're addicted to say, it's

1:01:00 Speaker 4: in a different way. But so there were ceremonial pipes

1:01:04 Speaker 4: and that dates back to when.

1:01:08 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, yeah, you've got twelve hundred years

1:01:11 Speaker 1: is the resonance side of it. But that doesn't mean

1:01:14 Speaker 1: that it wasn't right, you know, a thousand years old

1:01:17 Speaker 1: already at the time, and they were just that's the

1:01:18 Speaker 1: last time they smoked out of it. These could have

1:01:20 Speaker 1: been passed down. You know, our Native Americans, the Lakota tribe,

1:01:24 Speaker 1: they have they have ancient pipes that they've held in

1:01:26 Speaker 1: their tribe that they use on the smoke you know,

1:01:30 Speaker 1: the sweat lodges and the smoke sessions that they do.

1:01:32 Speaker 1: And so yeah, I wouldn't doubt that this is definitely

1:01:35 Speaker 1: something that's old.

1:01:38 Speaker 5: Do you think that something like ayahuasca, because like you

1:01:41 Speaker 5: have to think about the shamans and stuff, the way

1:01:47 Speaker 5: that they prepare, Like if you get a real shaman

1:01:50 Speaker 5: down in South America doing the ayahuasca, there's like rituals

1:01:54 Speaker 5: and shit to it, and it seems like it seems

1:01:57 Speaker 5: like that there's something to that whole ritual that seems

1:02:02 Speaker 5: like it's some like ancient tradition that's been passed down

1:02:05 Speaker 5: to like enlighten and and to maybe bring people to

1:02:10 Speaker 5: another world, to show them the capabilities and to expire

1:02:15 Speaker 5: inspire them to be and do the next best thing,

1:02:18 Speaker 5: because its like all of a sudden, your mind has

1:02:21 Speaker 5: just expanded to limitless uh uh capability, and it's that

1:02:27 Speaker 5: seems like something our ancestors will want to make sure

1:02:31 Speaker 5: made it through any disaster, right would be.

1:02:35 Speaker 1: This kind of how they found that out in first

1:02:38 Speaker 1: place is such a yeah.

1:02:40 Speaker 4: Like like what are the odds they would they would

1:02:42 Speaker 4: pick this and do this.

1:02:43 Speaker 5: And and because like people don't realize, yeah, you don't

1:02:46 Speaker 5: just pick it from the tree and smoke it. There's

1:02:49 Speaker 5: like there's so many aspects to hyahuasca and like even

1:02:52 Speaker 5: marijuana that like it has to be cultivated rightly.

1:02:59 Speaker 1: Interesting one that that that's my profession. I own a

1:03:01 Speaker 1: cannabis company. That's what I did before I researched any

1:03:03 Speaker 1: of this stuff. And I'm actually writing a book on

1:03:06 Speaker 1: cannabis because it's actually both these paths have kind of

1:03:08 Speaker 1: crossed in terms of the spiritual aspect and what it does.

1:03:11 Speaker 1: You know, the hippies would always say free your mind, man,

1:03:14 Speaker 1: and you hear this back in the day. And so

1:03:16 Speaker 1: what's funny is is they were onto something. They just

1:03:18 Speaker 1: didn't have the science of the pineal gland and what

1:03:21 Speaker 1: it was doing to the endocrime system and stuff like

1:03:24 Speaker 1: that to really convey it, you know, on a professional level.

1:03:28 Speaker 1: But now that I've done research, there's strings like keem

1:03:31 Speaker 1: dog and og cush and GMO cookies with these things

1:03:33 Speaker 1: called feels in there, which is what makes the strain gassy.

1:03:36 Speaker 1: It's also found in garlic onions and skunk spray, and

1:03:40 Speaker 1: these theols have an extreme medicinal property and effect the

1:03:44 Speaker 1: pineal gland very heavily. It can cause a homeostatic stasis

1:03:48 Speaker 1: that you can't really acquire in any other fashion. People

1:03:51 Speaker 1: that have add and certain types of focus issues often

1:03:54 Speaker 1: feel really relieved. They'll sleep better, they won't have nightmares

1:03:57 Speaker 1: as much because of these theols specifically, and that's why

1:04:00 Speaker 1: people are out there hunting seeds and hunting these different

1:04:03 Speaker 1: strains constantly, because they're looking for this and to get

1:04:07 Speaker 1: it consistently. It's quite uncommon in most cannabis breeds to

1:04:11 Speaker 1: get a high field count, and so I believe that

1:04:14 Speaker 1: this is actually giving us protection. These plant medicines are

1:04:17 Speaker 1: freeing our mind from this demi urge or this false

1:04:20 Speaker 1: reality that we live in. You know. It talks about

1:04:22 Speaker 1: the seven sins and the seven seals and the seven chakras,

1:04:25 Speaker 1: and they have to be exercised and opened in order

1:04:28 Speaker 1: to transcend, and all of these different things that cross

1:04:31 Speaker 1: into many different religions and cultures. I feel that there's

1:04:36 Speaker 1: real connection to that. And you know, you look at

1:04:38 Speaker 1: the romans, how they switched over the frequencies of all

1:04:41 Speaker 1: the instrument tunings from four what was it, four thirty

1:04:44 Speaker 1: two to four forty and so it went from seven

1:04:47 Speaker 1: tones to eighty. They're like, oh, we get an extra note, proactive.

1:04:51 Speaker 1: It's great, you know, but the reality is that the

1:04:53 Speaker 1: tones no longer sync up with the chakras, and you're

1:04:56 Speaker 1: not exercising your chakras when you're hitting the chords and

1:04:59 Speaker 1: hitting the different harmonics. Therefore, you're not going to free

1:05:02 Speaker 1: yourself in this respect. And I think that have you

1:05:06 Speaker 1: ever done the ayahuasca before? Yeah, so it's I mean,

1:05:11 Speaker 1: you leave your body behind like it's gone.

1:05:13 Speaker 4: You know.

1:05:15 Speaker 1: I was.

1:05:17 Speaker 5: I shot up through my head, like through my through

1:05:22 Speaker 5: what they call the what is this the head chakra,

1:05:24 Speaker 5: the crown, the crown chakra. It's like it was like

1:05:29 Speaker 5: I exited my body through that and then all of

1:05:32 Speaker 5: a sudden, I'm in this tunnel thing. But it's not

1:05:36 Speaker 5: a tunnel. It's also not it it looks like a tunnel.

1:05:39 Speaker 5: That's the best way I can visualize it to people.

1:05:42 Speaker 4: But it was like it was like the world was

1:05:45 Speaker 4: the universe was bent around me and I was walking

1:05:49 Speaker 4: through like this glassy universe. And then in the distance

1:05:54 Speaker 4: there was this being and it wasn't I know, people

1:05:56 Speaker 4: talk about machine elves. Mine was not a machinelf. Mine

1:05:59 Speaker 4: was just a figure.

1:06:01 Speaker 5: And when I looked when I, yeah, when I when

1:06:03 Speaker 5: I got to him or it when I when I

1:06:07 Speaker 5: finally got to it, it looked at me and there

1:06:11 Speaker 5: was no face. It was just emptiness and and it

1:06:15 Speaker 5: but it gave me a feeling that I'll never forget.

1:06:19 Speaker 5: And it was like your body, you shouldn't be here

1:06:23 Speaker 5: right now. Like it was like, it was like you

1:06:27 Speaker 5: should you shouldn't be here right now?

1:06:29 Speaker 4: How are you here? You need to go back?

1:06:32 Speaker 5: And then I kind of got like mad at him,

1:06:35 Speaker 5: and I was like but no words were spoken. I

1:06:38 Speaker 5: had no idea how I became mad.

1:06:41 Speaker 4: At him, but I knew his thoughts, like I knew

1:06:44 Speaker 4: I wasn't supposed to be there.

1:06:47 Speaker 5: Right So I walked past him, like maybe two feet,

1:06:50 Speaker 5: but you know, it feels like eternity while you're there.

1:06:53 Speaker 5: I walked past him, I feel myself gain about two

1:06:57 Speaker 5: feet past him, boom, snap back into my body and

1:07:02 Speaker 5: the DMT that was d MT. Ayahuasca was a whole

1:07:05 Speaker 5: different beast, but yes, ayahuasca was was.

1:07:11 Speaker 4: I mean, wow, that was like I was like I

1:07:15 Speaker 4: was still here, but I was above myself and I

1:07:18 Speaker 4: was I was reviewing my soul and it was Yeah,

1:07:25 Speaker 4: it's I mean, it's truly, it's it's I I recommend

1:07:30 Speaker 4: it for people with trauma.

1:07:33 Speaker 1: Yeah, if it calls to you, you probably shouldn't turn away.

1:07:37 Speaker 1: I wouldn't recommend recreationally doing it for fun. It's definitely

1:07:41 Speaker 1: not a toy. And uh, it's something that should be

1:07:44 Speaker 1: very well utilized with an elder or a shaman, like

1:07:47 Speaker 1: you say, they have the ways, They know the drum frequencies,

1:07:50 Speaker 1: They know which way your body should be bent and

1:07:53 Speaker 1: how you should be sitting, and they know when to

1:07:55 Speaker 1: catch like all these things that you're on your own.

1:07:58 Speaker 1: When you're doing this, you may think you you may

1:08:01 Speaker 1: go in so vere panic. That's what happened to me

1:08:03 Speaker 1: and I had. I had panic attacks for weeks after.

1:08:05 Speaker 1: If I thought even thought about it, I would start

1:08:08 Speaker 1: feeling I'd get the metallic taste in my mouth and

1:08:10 Speaker 1: everything like it was. It was horrendous for about a

1:08:13 Speaker 1: year after I did it, I've never touched anything else

1:08:16 Speaker 1: after that. But I'll tell you what. It gave me

1:08:18 Speaker 1: such a respect because it it.

1:08:24 Speaker 5: Shows you everything that you you've hidden, that you've bottled up,

1:08:29 Speaker 5: and you know, any any coping mechanisms you use. It

1:08:34 Speaker 5: shines a light on them and is like and like

1:08:36 Speaker 5: you're you're too busy being afraid of going back to

1:08:39 Speaker 5: that that everything else is like, ah, dude, it's it's

1:08:44 Speaker 5: easy to just not want to do because you never

1:08:48 Speaker 5: I've never thrown up so much in my life.

1:08:53 Speaker 1: Yeah.

1:08:54 Speaker 4: So, But but anyway, so I say this because we think.

1:08:59 Speaker 5: Of technology as this, right, this block, this, this, this

1:09:04 Speaker 5: would look like magic. By the way, at least what

1:09:09 Speaker 5: we're told to the Egyptians, if we showed them a

1:09:12 Speaker 5: backup battery, that would blow their minds. You know, this

1:09:16 Speaker 5: cell phone has more technology in it than the spacecraft

1:09:22 Speaker 5: that went up to the moon. We look at technology

1:09:25 Speaker 5: as like hard, right, this technological. But do you think

1:09:29 Speaker 5: our ancestors also had technology that is what was non physical,

1:09:34 Speaker 5: it was consciousness based or like you say, sound like

1:09:38 Speaker 5: and frequency the keys to the universe. Do you think

1:09:42 Speaker 5: that there was technology that we wouldn't necessarily call technology.

1:09:45 Speaker 5: Maybe we'd say it was magic. Do you think that

1:09:50 Speaker 5: they possessed such a thing.

1:09:51 Speaker 1: Yeah, I absolutely do, And I think on two levels,

1:09:55 Speaker 1: you know, I think we find a lot of pieces.

1:09:57 Speaker 1: We find wands with crystals on them, we find pendulums,

1:10:01 Speaker 1: we find Ouiji boards, we find all of these type

1:10:03 Speaker 1: of things. This scream yeah, yeah, full on, full on

1:10:10 Speaker 1: wigi boards with them.

1:10:11 Speaker 4: I thought the Ouiji board was like, I thought that

1:10:14 Speaker 4: was all invention.

1:10:18 Speaker 1: Well that's what they want you to think about chess too,

1:10:20 Speaker 1: But we find chess boards as well. You go back

1:10:22 Speaker 1: to India and it's called the age Old Game at chess,

1:10:25 Speaker 1: probably for a reason. And but yet you know, there's

1:10:28 Speaker 1: there's all these false positives. Oh, this was created in

1:10:31 Speaker 1: the thirteen hundreds. The Lady Guadalupe can't be any older

1:10:34 Speaker 1: than that. Well that's when she became popularized and bappelm

1:10:37 Speaker 1: it was first illustrated in the thirteen hundreds, you know,

1:10:41 Speaker 1: but that doesn't mean that they didn't take it off

1:10:43 Speaker 1: of ancient sources and descriptions from the Library of Alexandria,

1:10:46 Speaker 1: which we don't have anymore. We created this being that

1:10:49 Speaker 1: ends up looking just like the one that we find

1:10:51 Speaker 1: carved into pieces in Mexico, Like that's a false positive. Scientifically,

1:10:54 Speaker 1: you can't disclaim something just because someone invented it. Look

1:10:57 Speaker 1: at the Naska mummies with these implants. Okay, inside of

1:11:00 Speaker 1: them is osmium, which is what we use on satellites

1:11:02 Speaker 1: and stuff, and that wasn't for synthesized until the early

1:11:05 Speaker 1: nineteen hundreds. But the thing with osmium is that it

1:11:08 Speaker 1: takes tons and tons of platinum refining in order to

1:11:11 Speaker 1: get just a little bit of it. So you can't

1:11:13 Speaker 1: just mine out a big old block of osmium and

1:11:15 Speaker 1: be like, yeah, I'm gonna pound this into an implantlant,

1:11:17 Speaker 1: like it has to be it has to be refined.

1:11:19 Speaker 1: And so these bodies are eighteen hundred and fifty years

1:11:22 Speaker 1: old on the carbon dating. How did they have osmium? Men? Right,

1:11:28 Speaker 1: But again this will never be talked about on the news,

1:11:30 Speaker 1: like they just claim these things to be cake, and

1:11:33 Speaker 1: I mean the science behind them is so overwhelming. It's

1:11:35 Speaker 1: actually a really good role model, you know, but it's also.

1:11:40 Speaker 5: Pretty It's so funny that you said they joke about

1:11:43 Speaker 5: the cake because that cake.

1:11:45 Speaker 4: Thing that that was, like.

1:11:48 Speaker 5: It was honestly a genius way to discredit the whole thing,

1:11:53 Speaker 5: turn it into a meme as quick as possible, and.

1:11:57 Speaker 1: Then there was demand for evidence. And what's funny is

1:11:59 Speaker 1: is we actually spent fifteen thousand dollars. I bought two

1:12:02 Speaker 1: Nasca mummies on October I believe it was the seventh

1:12:05 Speaker 1: through the eighth. It was right after the congressional hearing

1:12:08 Speaker 1: with Timi Massam in Mexico. And they came out on

1:12:11 Speaker 1: the news saying that they were fake and that they

1:12:12 Speaker 1: were cake. And there was a gentleman down there that

1:12:15 Speaker 1: I talked to researching this stuff, Fernando Cordoba. He allowed

1:12:19 Speaker 1: me to publish a lot of the pictures of the

1:12:20 Speaker 1: Naska mummies in my book, and I ended up getting

1:12:24 Speaker 1: in touch with someone that knew him, and they sent

1:12:26 Speaker 1: me to dolls. They dressed them up like dolls, and

1:12:29 Speaker 1: they sent them. You might have seen the pictures. They've

1:12:31 Speaker 1: become famous. And what's interesting is they went through the

1:12:35 Speaker 1: DHL scanners and you could see that there was metal

1:12:38 Speaker 1: implants and the bones and everything. But they claimed that

1:12:41 Speaker 1: those were once constructed by animal bones, and looking back

1:12:44 Speaker 1: at the pictures now, they very well could have been.

1:12:47 Speaker 1: They may have even sold them to me and constructed

1:12:49 Speaker 1: these just to come out and try to smear it

1:12:52 Speaker 1: as a thing. And so this actually has really influenced

1:12:55 Speaker 1: Himy Massin's three hundred and fifty three hundred and fifty

1:12:58 Speaker 1: million dollar lawsuit against Peru for slander and disinformation because

1:13:03 Speaker 1: they completely tried to gut this guy's career, calling him

1:13:06 Speaker 1: a fraud when they have no evidence and he does.

1:13:10 Speaker 1: And so this is an ongoing lawsuit currently, but I

1:13:13 Speaker 1: think it's it's definitely something that should be noted that

1:13:16 Speaker 1: they might be going to that level even to try

1:13:18 Speaker 1: to you know, create fakes their own. And we have

1:13:21 Speaker 1: that that gentleman I mentioned Max that gave testimony in

1:13:24 Speaker 1: my book. He states specifically that the cartels are making

1:13:27 Speaker 1: pieces like this in replica of the real ones just

1:13:31 Speaker 1: to saturate the market with fakes for whatever purpose, to

1:13:34 Speaker 1: try to keep it a secret.

1:13:35 Speaker 5: And I believe that we've seen it, you know, maybe

1:13:39 Speaker 5: some quid pro quoe between you know, the intelligence community

1:13:44 Speaker 5: or like whatever in the cartels. Like all right, you know,

1:13:48 Speaker 5: because we know that things get things people can be bought,

1:13:53 Speaker 5: and things can get they get let slid, you know,

1:13:59 Speaker 5: if you want to call it.

1:13:59 Speaker 4: So you know there's these quid pro quos like maybe, hey,

1:14:03 Speaker 4: you do this for me and we'll let this much

1:14:05 Speaker 4: get in you know, no matter what. Right, are you

1:14:08 Speaker 4: talking about politics just in general? Yeah right, yeah, just yeah, yeah, yeah,

1:14:16 Speaker 4: just in just in general. So we know that that

1:14:19 Speaker 4: people can.

1:14:19 Speaker 5: Be corrupted and people are ultimately the ones controlling this

1:14:24 Speaker 5: at the end of the day, and they're flawed.

1:14:28 Speaker 4: Well that's a very good point.

1:14:30 Speaker 1: I mean, everything we see on these pieces is these

1:14:33 Speaker 1: you know, fallen angel looking beings and stuff. And if

1:14:36 Speaker 1: you look at the occult and Ouiji boards and World

1:14:40 Speaker 1: War two and what the thool and viural societies were

1:14:43 Speaker 1: doing to get information and technology for Adolf Hitler and

1:14:47 Speaker 1: the war there, and how World War One ended with

1:14:50 Speaker 1: the Ottoman Empire who had all the Babylonian relics because

1:14:53 Speaker 1: they had just conquered constants and oples some years prior,

1:14:57 Speaker 1: all those Babylonian relics. I mean, that's the Ananaki stuff.

1:15:00 Speaker 1: And so if we're finding Ouiji boards and all kinds

1:15:02 Speaker 1: of occult tools here in Mexico, that I can only

1:15:06 Speaker 1: imagine what they found in the City of err and

1:15:09 Speaker 1: some of these places in there that you know, you

1:15:11 Speaker 1: look back to like Zacharai Sitchen's work and right before

1:15:14 Speaker 1: the Gulf War and some of the stuff that they found.

1:15:17 Speaker 1: I mean, we're just now getting to see the stuff

1:15:20 Speaker 1: out of the Nimrod's discovery there and I just saw

1:15:26 Speaker 1: some of the gold pieces and stuff. I mean, this

1:15:27 Speaker 1: is twenty years ago already, you know, and it's crazy.

1:15:31 Speaker 4: It's truly, it really is.

1:15:34 Speaker 5: It blows me away that, I mean, really like the

1:15:39 Speaker 5: you know, because this fairy tale that we as kids

1:15:42 Speaker 5: that we're told is that you know, there's the history

1:15:46 Speaker 5: books and we know everything right because you look at

1:15:49 Speaker 5: adults and you go, well, you know, whether it's your

1:15:52 Speaker 5: parents or that figure in your life, that the parental figure,

1:15:59 Speaker 5: role model, you know, you look at them and they're

1:16:01 Speaker 5: like you.

1:16:02 Speaker 4: One day, I'm gonna be like them and I'm gonna

1:16:03 Speaker 4: have all the answers.

1:16:05 Speaker 5: And you know, it's not until you slowly get older

1:16:08 Speaker 5: that you realize everybody is winging it day by day

1:16:10 Speaker 5: and nobody has any answers.

1:16:13 Speaker 4: We all just pretend that we do.

1:16:15 Speaker 5: And you know that's the big, the big curtain pull

1:16:19 Speaker 5: the OZ moment, if you will, because you know, we

1:16:24 Speaker 5: realize that our our parents, they're they're not God's they're there,

1:16:29 Speaker 5: and that we're not heroes and we're not villains, and

1:16:32 Speaker 5: that you know the But but then we're told that

1:16:35 Speaker 5: the world is black and white and we find out

1:16:38 Speaker 5: that there's so much more gray than anyone ever.

1:16:41 Speaker 4: Led us to believe.

1:16:42 Speaker 5: Right, So, and who who do you think was the

1:16:45 Speaker 5: first one to cover this notion of aliens?

1:16:49 Speaker 4: Up? I bet it was the Church.

1:16:52 Speaker 1: Yeah, I would definitely say that this goes back to

1:16:55 Speaker 1: the Catholic Church. And I'm not meaning to isolate because

1:16:57 Speaker 1: it could be elsewhere to but I think with the

1:16:59 Speaker 1: Roman being sad, are worshippers and then all of a sudden,

1:17:03 Speaker 1: overnight Constantine says, yeah, we're Christian now that you know,

1:17:06 Speaker 1: they're also the ones that killed Jesus. And if you

1:17:08 Speaker 1: look at the persecution of the early Christians, they went

1:17:11 Speaker 1: through and gutted these Orthodox religions, like right now, there's

1:17:14 Speaker 1: only two percent blood. Jews like that actually have the

1:17:18 Speaker 1: blood in their system that they're supposed to do, so

1:17:21 Speaker 1: two percent is so low at this point you think

1:17:24 Speaker 1: the Holocaust probably had something to do with that. And

1:17:26 Speaker 1: then you look at these religions and look at the

1:17:28 Speaker 1: new covenants that have been formed that kind of pushed

1:17:31 Speaker 1: the Orthodox out. And I mean, obviously there's things that

1:17:34 Speaker 1: from the Orthodox that they wanted to try to migrate

1:17:37 Speaker 1: away from, or that it was, you know, in the

1:17:39 Speaker 1: old fashion. But still, I think that it's very important

1:17:42 Speaker 1: to see, like right now, specifically the Orthodox Jews, and

1:17:45 Speaker 1: how much their opinion differentiates from you know, Israel the country,

1:17:50 Speaker 1: or what's going on over there. You know, you see

1:17:52 Speaker 1: interviews with them, and it's it just doesn't add up. So, yeah,

1:17:56 Speaker 1: the church, you know, everybody, there's even movies about it,

1:17:59 Speaker 1: having all these relics in their basements or whatever. For

1:18:03 Speaker 1: what reason though, is the big question? And you know,

1:18:09 Speaker 1: I guess, I guess it's just maybe if this demiurge

1:18:12 Speaker 1: story is real, then that would make sense that they're

1:18:14 Speaker 1: just trying to cover up their tracks. It says in

1:18:16 Speaker 1: the Bible that the devil's biggest deception will be to

1:18:19 Speaker 1: make it seem like he doesn't exist. And if you

1:18:21 Speaker 1: look at the cathar people, which is a big one,

1:18:24 Speaker 1: the cathart people accepted Jesus and yet they were still

1:18:27 Speaker 1: burned at the stake and completely eradicated. And I'm not

1:18:30 Speaker 1: talking just one pope had it out for him. I'm

1:18:33 Speaker 1: talking nine popes gutted the civilization, man, woman, and child

1:18:38 Speaker 1: because they had Enochian beliefs that they believed there was

1:18:41 Speaker 1: two gods, one in the Old Testament that was a

1:18:43 Speaker 1: bad God and one that was a good God. And

1:18:46 Speaker 1: I think that that's the demiurge story and the the

1:18:50 Speaker 1: divine intervention that we see as this separation. If you

1:18:53 Speaker 1: notice they're called demi gods, well that's probably because they're

1:18:56 Speaker 1: creations of the demi urge, you know. But this demiurge

1:18:59 Speaker 1: is something that's suppressed heavily and I and that I

1:19:03 Speaker 1: can't I can't get away from it, you know.

1:19:06 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean if we if we look at the Church,

1:19:10 Speaker 5: you know, as a whole at the time, you know,

1:19:13 Speaker 5: their judge, jurys and executioners, right, so that they run

1:19:18 Speaker 5: the land of the law, and and you know, I

1:19:23 Speaker 5: don't know, so I kind of consider it the first

1:19:27 Speaker 5: intelligence agency, you know, And.

1:19:31 Speaker 4: I would love to be able to raid their archives,

1:19:34 Speaker 4: that the Vatican.

1:19:35 Speaker 5: But I mean, do you think like, given the given

1:19:40 Speaker 5: what you've found or you know, what the things that

1:19:43 Speaker 5: you've been that you've seen, would do you think that

1:19:49 Speaker 5: like something like the Holy Grail or the Arc of

1:19:51 Speaker 5: the Covenant. Could it be real and put it have

1:19:55 Speaker 5: the power or possess something that it's said too or

1:20:02 Speaker 5: is this just misunderstood technology.

1:20:05 Speaker 1: Now I absolutely think it's real, not only because there

1:20:07 Speaker 1: was a government paper that was declassified recently from the

1:20:10 Speaker 1: Pentagon claiming that they remote viewed the Arc of the

1:20:13 Speaker 1: Covenant and multiple things around it. That was just too

1:20:17 Speaker 1: much to I mean, the fact that this is a

1:20:20 Speaker 1: CIA document was just blowing my mind. But that aside,

1:20:24 Speaker 1: you know, we find all these pieces. We've actually found

1:20:27 Speaker 1: arcs in Mexico, which is interesting. And they had the

1:20:30 Speaker 1: elongated heads on the chair, the cherubim on there, which

1:20:34 Speaker 1: that could be why it's hidden out. It might have

1:20:36 Speaker 1: a different looking being. I mean, obviously everything was humanized

1:20:39 Speaker 1: at one point, but maybe in the Antidiluvians with Moses

1:20:43 Speaker 1: and pre back that we have different elongated head beings.

1:20:47 Speaker 1: I mean, you look at Osiris and you look at

1:20:49 Speaker 1: some of these things, it could be consistent with that.

1:20:52 Speaker 1: A lot of these pieces. Let me see if I

1:20:54 Speaker 1: can find a quick example. Here they have what looked

1:20:57 Speaker 1: like mermaids on them, and let's see here the mermaid

1:21:04 Speaker 1: thing is really fascinating because you can see, you know,

1:21:08 Speaker 1: it's got this this is like a winged being and

1:21:16 Speaker 1: then he's got this like serpent like tail that comes

1:21:18 Speaker 1: back here to a fishtail, right. And if you look

1:21:22 Speaker 1: at the you know, being Deagone, and the relation to

1:21:27 Speaker 1: the Pope's hat there and and certain things to the

1:21:29 Speaker 1: fish and Jesus besides and all these things that came

1:21:33 Speaker 1: out of the sea Atlantis, there's a lot of correlation there.

1:21:37 Speaker 1: And if you go back to Osiris, who was supposed

1:21:40 Speaker 1: to be the first Pharaoh, his feet in every depiction

1:21:44 Speaker 1: of him are not like any other Egyptian's feet. They're

1:21:47 Speaker 1: always banded together. It looks like one foot and I Osiris,

1:21:54 Speaker 1: and it talks, it talks about isis how she had

1:21:57 Speaker 1: to rebandage his legs all the time. And so some

1:22:00 Speaker 1: people say it's because he was half in the living

1:22:01 Speaker 1: world and half in the the dead or whatever. But

1:22:06 Speaker 1: I find that it's really a specific shape that they're

1:22:09 Speaker 1: depicting his legs, and he very well could have been

1:22:12 Speaker 1: one of these beings that came out of the sea

1:22:14 Speaker 1: that they are talked about by the Dogon people. Because

1:22:16 Speaker 1: the Dogon people some somewhere in the in the past

1:22:19 Speaker 1: got exiled out of Egypt. Nobody can tell me why.

1:22:23 Speaker 1: And they're the people of the dog Uh. They're also

1:22:26 Speaker 1: the people who supposedly brought cannabis here. They told the

1:22:29 Speaker 1: Greeks that they brought cannabis here from a place called

1:22:31 Speaker 1: serious B And this was thirty four hundred years ago

1:22:35 Speaker 1: that Greek scholars documented this, right, And we.

1:22:38 Speaker 4: Didn't even know that that existed until like a modern

1:22:42 Speaker 4: recent right.

1:22:43 Speaker 5: And that's and that also gives that notion of rediscovery,

1:22:47 Speaker 5: Like just because someone invented something or discovered something doesn't

1:22:51 Speaker 5: mean it hasn't been discovered. It just your society hasn't

1:22:55 Speaker 5: discovered it yet.

1:22:56 Speaker 4: So what is discovery? What is invention if not? You know,

1:22:59 Speaker 4: like that feeling that you.

1:23:01 Speaker 5: Have when you do music, right, that idea of the

1:23:04 Speaker 5: muse and pulling from the heat there, you know, and and.

1:23:09 Speaker 4: So that it brings them.

1:23:12 Speaker 1: Right.

1:23:13 Speaker 4: Yeah, So Osirius's legs is always always put together.

1:23:18 Speaker 1: You'll never see him separate every other you know, you

1:23:20 Speaker 1: see there with well, I don't know if that's probably

1:23:22 Speaker 1: isis there, but her feet are always separated. All the

1:23:26 Speaker 1: gods set and thought, they all have two feet in

1:23:29 Speaker 1: almost every depiction nothing like that. But I'm just thinking

1:23:34 Speaker 1: he may you know, and he's he's got the elongated

1:23:36 Speaker 1: head too, and gave birth to the the Pharaohs and

1:23:40 Speaker 1: what not to have elongated heads like Akinatin and so

1:23:44 Speaker 1: on down the down the line, and so that that

1:23:48 Speaker 1: could be where the evolution came in to be humanistic

1:23:51 Speaker 1: like that, that might be where that came from. His

1:23:56 Speaker 1: skin's also green, which is peculiar.

1:23:59 Speaker 4: Yeah, and he really is always depicted as this like,

1:24:04 Speaker 4: and he's got the.

1:24:04 Speaker 1: Beard and his beard's not strapped on.

1:24:07 Speaker 4: Right.

1:24:07 Speaker 1: Oh, so about the beard. I was explaining this earlier

1:24:10 Speaker 1: and I got sidetracked. I'll do that a lot. I apologize,

1:24:13 Speaker 1: but it's a lot to go over the braiding of

1:24:16 Speaker 1: that beard. If you look at it. We actually have

1:24:18 Speaker 1: pieces here and I'm gonna look around to see if

1:24:20 Speaker 1: I can find one, but they have what looked like

1:24:23 Speaker 1: Cethulhu on them, and you can see here this one

1:24:28 Speaker 1: has the beard on this being. You can see his

1:24:30 Speaker 1: head and he has it, and so they have like

1:24:33 Speaker 1: a garment on there. You can see it's almost like

1:24:35 Speaker 1: a woven garment that's holding this thing in and it's

1:24:38 Speaker 1: not quite the same as the Egyptian one. But the

1:24:41 Speaker 1: Egyptians did this to resemble the creators of chemists. So

1:24:44 Speaker 1: this could be one of those creators here. And these beings,

1:24:48 Speaker 1: if you were to take this garment off, it looks

1:24:50 Speaker 1: like Davy Jones. It's straight squid faced. And so that's

1:24:53 Speaker 1: why they braided them and wore this garment to cover

1:24:56 Speaker 1: up their tentacles. And if you look at those dog

1:24:58 Speaker 1: on people, they had encounter with what's called the nomo

1:25:02 Speaker 1: and they were amphibious creatures that came out of the

1:25:04 Speaker 1: sea and provided them knowledge.

1:25:06 Speaker 5: And uh, that's a story concept, and that's a story

1:25:12 Speaker 5: that we hear over and over again in ancient cultures.

1:25:15 Speaker 5: Is a being a guy, not a guy, but a

1:25:18 Speaker 5: being that comes from the sea that restarts civilization.

1:25:22 Speaker 4: And emerging from the waters, emerging from the water, you know,

1:25:25 Speaker 4: whether it's Cucko Khan or uh. And and what is

1:25:30 Speaker 4: that the Aztecs?

1:25:32 Speaker 5: And then yeah, there's I mean, there's so many examples

1:25:35 Speaker 5: of it Osiris and then could these both yeah, and.

1:25:41 Speaker 4: You know, could again could these be? Could Egyptians? And

1:25:47 Speaker 4: like you said, with the braids emulating and then the

1:25:50 Speaker 4: elongated skulls, why does that happen across cultures, you know, for.

1:25:55 Speaker 1: The same reason. And they say it's waterboarded, right, they

1:25:57 Speaker 1: say they're banded together or abandoning or whatever. Not water right,

1:26:00 Speaker 1: I said that wrong. But but but but they did

1:26:04 Speaker 1: it to look more like their gods.

1:26:06 Speaker 5: Yeah, that there's no reason other than to to disfigure

1:26:10 Speaker 5: yourself like that would that that would be the ultimate,

1:26:15 Speaker 5: the ultimate showcase of I want to I mean, we

1:26:19 Speaker 5: talk about the cargo cults, right, and that idea of

1:26:22 Speaker 5: of what it means to worship and what it means

1:26:26 Speaker 5: to to to really divinely believe in something, and you

1:26:31 Speaker 5: see it here with the elongation of uh babies and

1:26:35 Speaker 5: and doing that to your child like that takes a

1:26:37 Speaker 5: certain commitment. And that commitment comes in this weird part

1:26:41 Speaker 5: of our DNA, that this want to to appease this

1:26:47 Speaker 5: god or to this this higher power.

1:26:51 Speaker 4: It's like wideer in our DNA.

1:26:53 Speaker 5: And then you know, again you go back to the

1:26:56 Speaker 5: court notion of where we tinkered with by some sort

1:26:59 Speaker 5: of civilization like that, and it kind of all circular

1:27:03 Speaker 5: tells the story of most likely because we clear like

1:27:07 Speaker 5: every other organism on this planet has something that they

1:27:10 Speaker 5: do for the ecosystem.

1:27:12 Speaker 4: Except us, except us. We just want to create, and

1:27:15 Speaker 4: we we like this iPhone.

1:27:17 Speaker 5: If we stopped making Yes, if we stopped making iPhones today,

1:27:22 Speaker 5: they would work just fine forever if we just stopped.

1:27:25 Speaker 4: And and we're like, this is the one, this is

1:27:28 Speaker 4: the one. Like we're good, We're good. We can halt

1:27:31 Speaker 4: all production.

1:27:33 Speaker 1: We're good. We got everything we need.

1:27:36 Speaker 4: But we can't do that. We can't And and uh,

1:27:40 Speaker 4: like you said, we're consumers.

1:27:42 Speaker 5: And you know that story of the Aki and us

1:27:45 Speaker 5: wanting gold and why is gold so valuable to us?

1:27:50 Speaker 4: The gold is a weird one. It is a very

1:27:52 Speaker 4: weird one. So I mean, do you believe that?

1:27:57 Speaker 5: Again, this is speculation, and you know, we will definitely

1:28:01 Speaker 5: wrap this conversation up, but I'd love to, like I said.

1:28:04 Speaker 4: I'd love to fly you in after that peer reviewed

1:28:06 Speaker 4: paper and kind of dive into this a little bit

1:28:09 Speaker 4: more broadly because I love this topic. I haven't talked

1:28:14 Speaker 4: about it in a while.

1:28:15 Speaker 5: But I mean, if you had to sum up your mission,

1:28:22 Speaker 5: and you know, not one sentence, but if you had

1:28:27 Speaker 5: to give the elevator pitch on what your mission is

1:28:30 Speaker 5: to the people watching or listening right now, you know,

1:28:33 Speaker 5: what is that?

1:28:34 Speaker 1: What would it be? My mission was to either disprove

1:28:39 Speaker 1: or prove these items to be either antiquities or modern replications.

1:28:44 Speaker 1: At one point or another, it was either going to

1:28:45 Speaker 1: be the biggest hoax I'd ever seen or something that

1:28:48 Speaker 1: was so epic to our origin story and our history

1:28:52 Speaker 1: that it was even at the point zero zero one percent,

1:28:55 Speaker 1: I had to follow it. And so my mission is

1:28:58 Speaker 1: is to assimilate the truth out of this one way

1:29:02 Speaker 1: or the other, and also encourage others to demand science

1:29:06 Speaker 1: and evidence rather than just caving into what the celebrity

1:29:11 Speaker 1: says and trusting it. Because just like our ai and

1:29:13 Speaker 1: our celebrities and our news stations, we all know that

1:29:16 Speaker 1: there's manipulation there with whether it's politics or religion, all

1:29:21 Speaker 1: these things. Look at the game of telephone when when

1:29:23 Speaker 1: you're in kindergarten, are you going to trust what the

1:29:25 Speaker 1: kid tells you or are you going to go out

1:29:28 Speaker 1: there and and and figure it out for yourself? And

1:29:30 Speaker 1: that's I think where we're at is we have to

1:29:32 Speaker 1: do some of this for ourselves to make sure and

1:29:35 Speaker 1: if we don't put our hands on it.

1:29:36 Speaker 4: Who's going to absolutely absolutely.

1:29:41 Speaker 5: And where can where can people I know, you say

1:29:44 Speaker 5: you have some documentaries out, and so what do the

1:29:49 Speaker 5: I'll put all the links in the description below. But

1:29:52 Speaker 5: where can people find your work? And and and where

1:29:54 Speaker 5: can people follow you?

1:29:56 Speaker 1: Yeah, Aliencarvings dot Com is our website and it's a

1:29:59 Speaker 1: compendium of of just a bit of everything on there.

1:30:02 Speaker 1: All the papers from Mexico, all that stuff is there,

1:30:05 Speaker 1: carbon dates, our documentaries are all on YouTube at Alien Carvings.

1:30:09 Speaker 1: All of our social media is at Alien Carvings. And yeah,

1:30:13 Speaker 1: I mean our books are all available on Amazon under

1:30:16 Speaker 1: Michael Forrest.

1:30:18 Speaker 6: Yeah, okay, yeah, we've got you know, everything's you know,

1:30:22 Speaker 6: a hard book with just extensive pictures and documentation of

1:30:27 Speaker 6: you know, as much.

1:30:29 Speaker 1: Photographic journalism that I could take. I'm a photographer more

1:30:32 Speaker 1: than I am a writer. But at the same same point,

1:30:37 Speaker 1: I've become a writer now because of this topic.

1:30:39 Speaker 4: So you gotta that's the thing, right, you become you

1:30:43 Speaker 4: become the That's what I for myself as well as

1:30:46 Speaker 4: like you know, obviously in different fields.

1:30:48 Speaker 5: But I'm like I'm the host. I I I get

1:30:52 Speaker 5: the guests, I maintain the guest relationships, I edit the show,

1:30:56 Speaker 5: I I write, I do all this stuff. Uh, so

1:31:00 Speaker 5: you know, when you get in this topic, you become

1:31:02 Speaker 5: you become a walking machine of of like how to

1:31:07 Speaker 5: get things out there. So it's it's super fun to

1:31:10 Speaker 5: watch that process, you know, from from that side, and

1:31:13 Speaker 5: hopefully I can help elevate the conversation and and even

1:31:17 Speaker 5: the slightest pit and get it out there.

1:31:19 Speaker 4: So you're always, you know, you're always welcome back to

1:31:22 Speaker 4: talk about this stuff.

1:31:23 Speaker 1: I love.

1:31:25 Speaker 5: Of ancient civilizations and lost knowledge and like I said,

1:31:29 Speaker 5: read just because you know, even Tesla, right, guys like

1:31:33 Speaker 5: Tesla Einstein, they all talk about like you know, all oftentimes.

1:31:38 Speaker 4: Genius and geniuses they.

1:31:40 Speaker 5: Talk that they they're just conduit and it's like the

1:31:45 Speaker 5: knowledge even you know, with Oppenheimer, it's like the muse

1:31:50 Speaker 5: is there and it's working through them and that's you know,

1:31:54 Speaker 5: there's something there. So, you know, the rediscovery of technology

1:32:01 Speaker 5: or these things, you know, these artifacts. Uh, it's something

1:32:05 Speaker 5: that I think we always should give a second look

1:32:09 Speaker 5: at because we owe it to ourselves to understand our

1:32:13 Speaker 5: origins and to understand our place in the universe.

1:32:15 Speaker 4: I don't understand why people don't take this more seriously.

1:32:19 Speaker 4: So thank you so much for joining us.

1:32:22 Speaker 1: Michael it was such a pleasure, absolutely anytime.

1:32:26 Speaker 4: So and to everyone else out there, you know what

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1:32:44 Speaker 5: All right, keep looking up right, uh And Michael, thank

1:32:48 Speaker 5: you again. We'll see you guys next time.

1:32:52 Speaker 4: And then

1:33:05 Speaker 3: As