BOB LAZAR: The Man Who Sparked a Movement- A Special Presentation!
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Speaker 1: In nineteen eighty nine, a man called Bob Lazarre walked
Speaker 1: into a Las Vegas TV station and gave a remarkable interview.
Speaker 2: He said that he'd.
Speaker 1: Worked out in the Nevada Desert at a top secret
Speaker 1: facility known as Area fifty one. He said he worked
Speaker 1: in a highly classified project reverse engineering recovered alien spacecraft.
Speaker 1: His story was a worldwide sensation, and Area fifty one
Speaker 1: became a household name synonymous with UFOs secret projects and
Speaker 1: little Green men. And yet neither the US government nor
Speaker 1: its military have ever denied his claims, and they still
Speaker 1: don't officially confirm that Area fifty one exists, despite satellite
Speaker 1: photos proving it does. Many dismiss Boblizar as a fantasist,
Speaker 1: and yet others see him as a whistleblower exposing a
Speaker 1: government cover up of UFOs an alien contact.
Speaker 3: I am convinced, based on my research and the individuals
Speaker 3: whom I've had contact in the US intelligence community, that
Speaker 3: the US government does indeed have a craft that meet
Speaker 3: the description of many of the UFO reports. Personal opinion,
Speaker 3: based on comments I've gotten from the Deputy Director for
Speaker 3: Science and Technology at CIA, would seem to indicate that
Speaker 3: Bob was perhaps an unwitting participant in a program designed
Speaker 3: to introduce someone with a technical background to some elements
Speaker 3: of the UFO research projects going on out of the
Speaker 3: test site.
Speaker 4: I have no doubt that Lazare actually was in a
Speaker 4: place where top secret investigations were going on. I'm not
Speaker 4: sure about all the details that have emerged from his account,
Speaker 4: but he certainly gives me the impression that he was
Speaker 4: actually there.
Speaker 5: Do I believe Bob bizaar my At That is yes,
Speaker 5: And he's going on eight years that I've known him.
Speaker 5: His story has never changed. He wasn't in it for
Speaker 5: the publicity. He wasn't surely wasn't it for the money.
Speaker 5: He lost everything he had. I believe he's since totally sincere.
Speaker 6: As far as I can tell. He's a bright guy
Speaker 6: who tells a great tale, and who's told it often
Speaker 6: to people who have not checked on him, who accept
Speaker 6: the notion that well, the government wiped his slate clean.
Speaker 7: Basically, I think he had an experience. I think he
Speaker 7: saw some things that shopped him, was subject to some
Speaker 7: conditions and experiences that were very unnerving to him and
Speaker 7: very profound.
Speaker 8: He said, you would love to see what's out there,
Speaker 8: because it's like beyond science ficure, he said, And I
Speaker 8: wish I could talk to you about it, but I can't.
Speaker 8: And that's as close as he ever got to tell
Speaker 8: me anything that happened out there.
Speaker 9: You'll find many people who have seen these disks. Question
Speaker 9: is where do they come from? Biblasar maybe one of
Speaker 9: the few people who can tell us that they're from
Speaker 9: somewhere else.
Speaker 4: I've no doubt that there's a relatively small number of
Speaker 4: people within the intelligence, military intelligence, and scientific and technical
Speaker 4: intelligence community who are aware of what's going on, and
Speaker 4: an even smaller group who are actually organizing top secret
Speaker 4: research into this phenomenon.
Speaker 1: There's been an operating airbase out at the location, known
Speaker 1: as Area fifty one, since the nineteen fifties, when it
Speaker 1: was home to the CIA's top secret SR seventy one
Speaker 1: Blackbird spyplane. Then in the nineteen seventies it became the
Speaker 1: test flight center for the F one to seventeen stealth
Speaker 1: fighter and the B two stealth bomber.
Speaker 3: It's fairly public knowledge that we have a super secret
Speaker 3: facility in the mountains and northern Nevada, referred to as
Speaker 3: Groom Lake Area fifty one of the Nellis Air Force
Speaker 3: based test range. It has also been referred to as
Speaker 3: as Dreamland. This is an area that has been known
Speaker 3: but officially denied for many decades. All of our super
Speaker 3: secret aircraft have been developed in test flone out in
Speaker 3: this particular area. So it only makes sense that if
Speaker 3: you have something as sophisticated as a flying saucer and
Speaker 3: the related technology to that, that would certainly be one
Speaker 3: of the prime locations you'd want to go.
Speaker 2: What you see as an ordinary looking Air Force base.
Speaker 10: It's nothing to write home about, but because the government
Speaker 10: won't talk about it, everyone wants.
Speaker 1: To see it.
Speaker 10: Military has never said there are no UFOs, it's never
Speaker 10: directly denied any of the Area fifty one stories. It
Speaker 10: would have been so simple when these claims came out,
Speaker 10: these Papoose Lake claims, for the military to simply say, look,
Speaker 10: we have nothing there. They could take a few reporters
Speaker 10: to this area and show them nothing there.
Speaker 11: The military hasn't done it.
Speaker 2: The military is stonewall.
Speaker 10: It has remained silent, and that's the most damning thing
Speaker 10: that they can do.
Speaker 12: Area fifty one to this day is that is to
Speaker 12: say the Air Force does not admit that it exists.
Speaker 12: This status has been maintained very carefully, particularly in the
Speaker 12: last few years. The puzzle is that the base has
Speaker 12: clearly been very active for quite a while, and you
Speaker 12: can see that they're about seven hundred to one thousand
Speaker 12: people traveling from Las Vegas every day. So essentially the
Speaker 12: balk of what has gone on there in the last
Speaker 12: ten years has not emerged from the black.
Speaker 5: This airplane was, the program was terminated, the airplanes were
Speaker 5: put in mothballs for twenty years before they admitted the
Speaker 5: existence of the aircraft. There's programs that they're working on
Speaker 5: today that are fifty years ahead of anything that you
Speaker 5: and I can even conceive of, and that we may
Speaker 5: never then, that may never see the light of day.
Speaker 2: Would you set it's America's most top secret military.
Speaker 5: Base as far as as far as an operational test facility.
Speaker 5: Is probably the most secret test facility in the free world.
Speaker 2: Yes, so there is.
Speaker 6: No question that the facility is there, as the government
Speaker 6: has said very little in the past about it. Now,
Speaker 6: the real question, I suppose, is are there any flying
Speaker 6: saucers out there?
Speaker 1: No one had associated flying saurces with Area fifty one
Speaker 1: until Bob Lazar's interview hit television screens around the world.
Speaker 1: He said that he worked at an underground facility called
Speaker 1: S four. The top secret project was code named Galileo.
Speaker 11: They would call it a specific time.
Speaker 13: For instance, the operator would say, mister Lazar, it's now
Speaker 13: four fifteen am. We expect you to be at McCarran
Speaker 13: Airport at four forty five.
Speaker 11: Your plane will be leaving at such and such time.
Speaker 13: Drive there, check in board the plane, and the plane
Speaker 13: would fly out to Groom Lake. It would land there,
Speaker 13: I'd get off the plane and wait, and there would
Speaker 13: be a bus to take me and whoever else is
Speaker 13: going to s for Patpoose Lake, which is about fifteen
Speaker 13: miles south of there, and then I would check in
Speaker 13: at S four.
Speaker 2: Tell me about how you felt on your very first
Speaker 2: trip out.
Speaker 13: The first trip out there, it was actually very exciting
Speaker 13: because it seems so cloak and dagger to me, especially
Speaker 13: after I got in the bus with the blacked out windows.
Speaker 13: I kind of thought that was neat. Drove out to
Speaker 13: the site and then it was checked in guards walking
Speaker 13: around with guns, and I was sure what I was
Speaker 13: working on was going to be pretty fascinating.
Speaker 1: He says that within a few days of working out
Speaker 1: at S four he was shown actual flying disc in
Speaker 1: one of the hangers.
Speaker 13: When I was brought in by bus and for the
Speaker 13: first time, one of the hanger doors, the one on
Speaker 13: the end, was open. The bus drove up and we
Speaker 13: stopped there, and clear as day and the hangar taking
Speaker 13: up almost all the hanger was the disc looked like
Speaker 13: something right out of a science fiction movie. And as
Speaker 13: I walked in there, I thought, well, this is the
Speaker 13: new advanced aircraft we've been working on, and this is
Speaker 13: why people keep seeing flying saucers, because it's ours and
Speaker 13: we've just been testing it and we're probably for all
Speaker 13: these years.
Speaker 2: And what color and size was it?
Speaker 13: It was a dull, stainless steel pewter gray, very unimpressive
Speaker 13: color wise, about fifty two point eight feet in diameter
Speaker 13: and about sixteen feet high.
Speaker 14: So was it actually a recovered craft that you were
Speaker 14: working on or was it one that scientists had built
Speaker 14: as a mockup of a recover crow.
Speaker 13: Well, whether it was recovered, given or what, it was
Speaker 13: not built as a mock up. It was an alien
Speaker 13: craft built on another world. There was absolutely no doubt
Speaker 13: about that.
Speaker 1: The Czar claims that he was one of only twenty
Speaker 1: two people who had something called majestic clearance to work
Speaker 1: on the craft itself.
Speaker 13: The whole aim of the project was to take these craft,
Speaker 13: or the one in particular that I was working on,
Speaker 13: and try and duplicated systems in the subsystems with earthly materials.
Speaker 13: The work that I did basically entailed back engineering the
Speaker 13: power and propulsion system, and I opted to start with
Speaker 13: the power the reactor that ran the craft.
Speaker 9: I knew immediately if his credentials could be verified, if
Speaker 9: even part of his story could be verified, it'd be
Speaker 9: one tremendous expose.
Speaker 1: George Knapp was a long standing TV reporter. He'd heard
Speaker 1: enough of the UFO rumors over the years to appreciate
Speaker 1: how big a scoop this could be if Lazare was
Speaker 1: telling the truth.
Speaker 9: He gave me information about his background, educational background, and
Speaker 9: employment background. I started with his claim to have worked
Speaker 9: at Los Alamos Lab. We went to Los Alamos and
Speaker 9: got nothing even close to cooperation. They wouldn't respond.
Speaker 11: To our phone calls.
Speaker 9: They say, we have no information on Bob Blazaar, there's
Speaker 9: nothing in the files. I said, are you sure now?
Speaker 11: No, nothing in the files.
Speaker 9: I showed him the phone book entry that Bob had
Speaker 9: kept that said he was there. I showed him the
Speaker 9: newspaper article that showed that he was there. Basically, Los
Speaker 9: Alamos Lab tried to thwart me at every step. Were
Speaker 9: completely uncooperative and trying to get information about Bob, and
Speaker 9: I found that to be the case at every step
Speaker 9: of the way, and trying to verify his background.
Speaker 15: Twelve pm.
Speaker 1: Former NASA mission specialist Bob Exler had heard about Area
Speaker 1: fifty one and Groom Lake when he worked on the
Speaker 1: Apollo and Space Shuttle projects. He was intrigued by Lazarre's
Speaker 1: claims and started to investigate.
Speaker 3: I did a variety of research relative to Bob Lazar
Speaker 3: actually met him. I obtained a copy of his what
Speaker 3: they call it W two, which is one of the
Speaker 3: irs documents associated with pay. His particular form indicated that
Speaker 3: he worked for the US Department of Naval Intelligence. They
Speaker 3: informed me that it was a genuine document, It was
Speaker 3: not something that had been fabricated. There were a variety
Speaker 3: of numbers, contract numbers, and so forth issued on the document,
Speaker 3: which I was able to research again, finding that these
Speaker 3: were highly classified numbers. In fact, Internal Revenue Service ran
Speaker 3: into a brick wall when it came to trying to
Speaker 3: track down the actual employer associated with the document, and
Speaker 3: then again with the Social Security Administration, we found that
Speaker 3: Bob Lazar's records had in fact been bleached clean. There
Speaker 3: was nothing there in spite of the fact that the
Speaker 3: document clearly indicated that Social Security taxes had been taken
Speaker 3: out of his pay.
Speaker 1: Not everyone whose research Bob Lazarre believes his claims. Stanton
Speaker 1: Friedman is one of the most respected authors in the
Speaker 1: UFO field today. He's a former nuclear physicist with top
Speaker 1: secret clearance and has many friends and contacts in the
Speaker 1: Black Project world.
Speaker 6: I've looked at considerable depth into Bob Lazarre's claims, both
Speaker 6: about himself and about propulsion system because are fairly elaborate
Speaker 6: claim I've talked to the schools that he claims to
Speaker 6: have received degrees from. I've checked on his high school record.
Speaker 6: I talked to Los Alamo's library was supposedly a scientist,
Speaker 6: and so forth. I have come up totally empty. Now,
Speaker 6: when a guy lies like that, you get very and
Speaker 6: you know it has all the trimmings. His story of
Speaker 6: a Walter Midti story. Somebody in his imagination was, you know, stronger, brighter,
Speaker 6: faster than anybody else. I don't doubt that he did
Speaker 6: some work at Los Almos and other places.
Speaker 2: He's clever.
Speaker 6: He drives a check powered car, fixes radiation detectors, so
Speaker 6: he may have performed some service. But I can find
Speaker 6: no reason to think that he worked out there on
Speaker 6: a flying saucer.
Speaker 9: I mean, I had to wonder whether this guy was
Speaker 9: making this stuff up. But then I see the phone book,
Speaker 9: and I see the newspaper article, and I talked to
Speaker 9: people who worked with Bob at the lab and who
Speaker 9: said in fact that he did work on classified projects.
Speaker 9: Yet no one can find any records of his background.
Speaker 13: The people that I worked with, colleagues, the people I
Speaker 13: went to school with obviously knew I was there, and
Speaker 13: people Los Alamos. I was friends with the people that
Speaker 13: worked under me and alongside I mean there and you know,
Speaker 13: cooperate what was going on. But you know, officially it's
Speaker 13: very difficult to get information for the people in charge.
Speaker 1: To further prove his claims. Lazarre agreed to take a
Speaker 1: polygraph test, which he passed.
Speaker 3: The thing that is interesting about polygraph is that if
Speaker 3: you're embellishing, or if you don't completely believe what you're saying,
Speaker 3: it is very, very easy to detect. All it really
Speaker 3: will tell you is that the individual believes with one
Speaker 3: hundred percent conviction that what he's reporting is exactly as
Speaker 3: he recalls and as he believes it to be. And
Speaker 3: that clearly was the case with Bob Lazarre. Now, could
Speaker 3: his perception have been a bit askew, Yes, that's possible,
Speaker 3: but he clearly wasn't lying.
Speaker 9: I think Bob is even open to the possibility that
Speaker 9: perhaps he had been used in some sort of misinformation
Speaker 9: or disinformation campaign.
Speaker 11: I mean, look at him.
Speaker 9: He has a pirate flag floating on his house. He
Speaker 9: races jet cars, he likes fast women, he likes guns.
Speaker 9: He's technically capable. So in that sense, he may be
Speaker 9: perfect for this kind of a program. Technically capable, scientifically knowledgeable,
Speaker 9: and yet completely discreditable at a moment's notice.
Speaker 11: If you want to do.
Speaker 9: Test public reaction to a story about Area fifty one
Speaker 9: and then suddenly discredited afterwards, Bob may have been the
Speaker 9: most qualified person in the country.
Speaker 1: Bazarre says that on one occasion he was escorted into
Speaker 1: the flying disc that he saw in the hangar to
Speaker 1: analyze its propulsion system.
Speaker 13: It was obviously made to be piloted by something smaller
Speaker 13: than the average human, being very cramped in there.
Speaker 2: What were the size of these seats that were in there?
Speaker 11: The seats were very small.
Speaker 13: I'd say about one third to one fourth the size
Speaker 13: of a normal human. See a lot of people, A
Speaker 13: lot of people say, boy, it must have been exciting
Speaker 13: to go on there, and I always say it wasn't.
Speaker 11: It was a very ominous feeling.
Speaker 13: I know it sounds silly, but it's so unearthly in there.
Speaker 14: You have spoken to someone who's actually seen a UFO
Speaker 14: under a top pool in at Air fifty one.
Speaker 11: I have.
Speaker 9: I've spoken to several people who've seen UFOs or disc
Speaker 9: shaped craft out there. There was a woman who was
Speaker 9: a secretary for a major defense contractor at the Nevada
Speaker 9: test site who worked on nuclear programs, who told me
Speaker 9: that she had sat in on the conversations between military
Speaker 9: and civilian contractors at which the roswell case had been discussed,
Speaker 9: at which it had been discussed taking some roswell material
Speaker 9: to Area fifty one. The level of secrecy during those
Speaker 9: meetings was great. Afterward, they'd take the ribbons out of
Speaker 9: the typewriter she was typing on. She was ready to
Speaker 9: tell me about this, and I had this conversation with
Speaker 9: her on the phone. The next day. After this conversation
Speaker 9: takes place, she's visited by two men who say that
Speaker 9: they work for the company she used to work for,
Speaker 9: reminding her that she is still under a security oath.
Speaker 11: Told her, we know.
Speaker 9: That you do a lot of traveling back and forth,
Speaker 9: a lot of long drives between Las Vegas and La
Speaker 9: We'd hate for something to happen to you or your family.
Speaker 2: No interview.
Speaker 9: I mean it happened again and again and again, same scenario.
Speaker 1: Lazare says that in addition to being shown inside the disc,
Speaker 1: he actually saw it take off from the lake bed.
Speaker 13: I was brought into the hangar for one of the
Speaker 13: short duration tests and the craft already outside on the
Speaker 13: lake bed, and that was pretty much of a marvelous sights.
Speaker 13: The huge thing, it's like seeing a house lift off
Speaker 13: the ground. You can't imagine the energy involved.
Speaker 11: To do that.
Speaker 13: Because of the extremely high energy output and the fact
Speaker 13: that the outside of the craft does is used as
Speaker 13: a conductor that does ionize the air, and the crafts
Speaker 13: do as a byproduct of this glow at night, much
Speaker 13: like a fluorescent tube will light up, so you know,
Speaker 13: bright strange jumping lights in the sky. That does explain that.
Speaker 14: Would you categorically say there is no way that that
Speaker 14: humans could have built the craft.
Speaker 13: That you saw, Absolutely, I will categorically deny that. Well,
Speaker 13: I don't know how exactly should I put that. I
Speaker 13: guess I can just say it straight out. There is
Speaker 13: no way that any government on this Earth could produce
Speaker 13: that craft, period, and I defy anyone to argue at
Speaker 13: that point.
Speaker 1: One of the big questions that's hung over this whole
Speaker 1: story is whether Lazar saw a man made flying disc
Speaker 1: and not an alien spacecraft.
Speaker 16: A lot of these crafts, which are being developed in
Speaker 16: secrecy in the United States, are tested at night, and
Speaker 16: one can imagine that seen through kind of half closed eyes,
Speaker 16: something like an F one one seven stealth fighter or
Speaker 16: B two bomber side on or front on would look
Speaker 16: remarkably like say a flag saucer or UFO.
Speaker 12: You see an F one seventeen, or you see tascit blue,
Speaker 12: or you see a B two, particularly if you see
Speaker 12: it from some fairly unusual angle. You're going to have
Speaker 12: a very hard time relating that to conventional aircraft. Some
Speaker 12: of these things can look very strange indeed, so you know,
Speaker 12: an unusual but decidedly terrestrial aircraft can certainly present the
Speaker 12: appearance of a disc from many angles.
Speaker 16: I think for anyone who's been out into the Western
Speaker 16: United States and seen the kind of place it is
Speaker 16: and let their imaginations run riot a bit, it is
Speaker 16: possible to imagine in these vast test areas technologies which
Speaker 16: are highly exotic, highly revolutionary, and would change the way
Speaker 16: we feel about science today. However, to say that that
Speaker 16: is alien science derived from beyond this world, I think
Speaker 16: is something which is just It is unbelievable.
Speaker 2: It's too much to absorb.
Speaker 14: Do you think that some of the true certainly lies
Speaker 14: out there in the middle of the Nevada desert at
Speaker 14: Groom Lake.
Speaker 6: I would expect that some of the truth may very
Speaker 6: well lie out in the desert near Groom Lake. It's
Speaker 6: the right place for some of it to be. It's isolated,
Speaker 6: it's under control, its high security. I don't think we've
Speaker 6: yet scratched the surface on what's happening out there with
Speaker 6: regard to flying saucers.
Speaker 1: According to the czar, the craft that they were secretly
Speaker 1: testing out in the desert at night used an exotic
Speaker 1: anti gravity propulsion system.
Speaker 13: The reactor itself was an incredibly advanced system. This was
Speaker 13: an anti matter reactor. This is something we could only
Speaker 13: dream of having, something to go out huge amounts of
Speaker 13: power that rivals several nuclear power plants running a capacity.
Speaker 13: What happens is a great gravity distortion is created and
Speaker 13: you're essentially bending space towards the craft.
Speaker 11: The craft becomes part of that space, and then when.
Speaker 13: The reactors or when the gravity amplifiers are shut down,
Speaker 13: the craft is essentially where it was focused. It's a
Speaker 13: very difficult thing to grasp. It happens virtually instantaneously because
Speaker 13: of the fact that gravity distorts time, and if you're
Speaker 13: bending space and time along with it, when you wind
Speaker 13: back up in that place, you're there between the ticks
Speaker 13: of a clock.
Speaker 3: Looking at nighttime video films out in the test site area,
Speaker 3: we've seen video of craft that were luminous that would
Speaker 3: move across the sky as if it was skipping a
Speaker 3: stone across water, or sort of a sewing machine effect.
Speaker 3: What we see across the screen or a series of
Speaker 3: lights of dashes of light as the object moves from
Speaker 3: point A to point B. Therefore, we are seeing what
Speaker 3: you might call a shadow effect of the propulsion mechanism
Speaker 3: at work.
Speaker 1: Bob Bazarre is not the only person who's come forward
Speaker 1: and claimed to have worked out at the base on
Speaker 1: flying discs. Former US Marines test pilot Bill Uhaus worked
Speaker 1: out at Groom Lake and other top secret locations forty years,
Speaker 1: working for the Pentagon and civilian contractors on a variety
Speaker 1: of highly classified projects, including he says, a flying disc
Speaker 1: recovered from a crash in Kingman, Arizona, in May nineteen
Speaker 1: fifty three. He said that he'd been cleared to do
Speaker 1: this interview and to discuss certain information, but asked us
Speaker 1: not to show his face.
Speaker 2: What we were actually working on out there.
Speaker 17: One of the things I worked on was flying this simulator.
Speaker 17: It was designed in New Mexico by a separate staff
Speaker 17: that built it in parallel with the actual craft that
Speaker 17: they were head intended to fly. The purpose assimilator was
Speaker 17: to trained Powas to fly this strange, strange working craft.
Speaker 17: The simulator was a ten meter round uh this The
Speaker 17: skin was made of boron uh, composite material, not unlike
Speaker 17: uh that you see on the at point seventeen.
Speaker 2: How did you know how to build a simulation?
Speaker 17: They're essentially a warrant any plans and plans were generated
Speaker 17: as we constructed it, and it was a it was
Speaker 17: a process there that it took quite a while for
Speaker 17: for us to even understand the concept way back in
Speaker 17: the fifties.
Speaker 1: Who House says that the zah did work at area
Speaker 1: fifty one.
Speaker 17: I think Bob is saying exactly what he knows. And
Speaker 17: I know a little bit about Bob uh from a
Speaker 17: different standpoint than a lot of the people knowing what's
Speaker 17: been written about him. But Bob Bazaar is not lying
Speaker 17: as far as uh, his place and position and the
Speaker 17: activity he was involved with at the time, although some
Speaker 17: of it, you know, he couldn't recall. But there's a
Speaker 17: lot of reasons why Bob was hired. Number one. You know,
Speaker 17: here's the thing that guy like Bob sent him out there.
Speaker 17: You know, somebody said, you know, aliens, blah blah blah
Speaker 17: blah blah. You know, all of a sudden, you're thinking
Speaker 17: about nine alien crafts. You know, they may have not
Speaker 17: been nine alien craft more.
Speaker 2: Do you believe that the government has recovered alien spacecraft.
Speaker 4: I have no doubts whatsoever that the United States has
Speaker 4: actually recovered a number of extraterrestrial vehicles.
Speaker 2: And what do they do with them.
Speaker 4: I think that since nineteen forty seven there have been
Speaker 4: efforts to try and duplicate.
Speaker 2: The technology what is referred to as reverse.
Speaker 4: Engineering, and I don't know how far they've got, but
Speaker 4: some reports indicate that we've actually been test flying within
Speaker 4: a limited area actual alien vehicles or terrestrial vehicles United
Speaker 4: States vehicles which have been made using alien technology.
Speaker 2: Could these not just be military aircraft?
Speaker 4: Well, I think it's quite possible some of them are
Speaker 4: military aircraft. I've had from very reliable sources, including a
Speaker 4: leading specialist on unmanned aerial vehicles, that we have developed
Speaker 4: some disc shaped platforms for aerial reconnaissance, some quite small,
Speaker 4: maybe some larger, which are being utilized by the Americans
Speaker 4: and have been built by the Americans.
Speaker 17: That's sixth three eight night or double I was like
Speaker 17: a start when I went on a left act innovation.
Speaker 2: I'd also have a crossing downfield. Was it a hard
Speaker 2: secret to keep?
Speaker 13: It was a virtually impossible secret to keep, But I
Speaker 13: did play by the rules, and it caused a lot
Speaker 13: of problems. It caused problems in my family life. I mean,
Speaker 13: imagine being married at the time, and you know, you
Speaker 13: get a call, you know, perhaps at night, and a
Speaker 13: strange voice on the phone.
Speaker 11: Okay, you disappear.
Speaker 13: You can't tell your wife who it was on the phone,
Speaker 13: where you're going, and you come back, you know, sometime
Speaker 13: early in the morning.
Speaker 11: What is she going to think?
Speaker 1: Unaware of where he was going every day and being
Speaker 1: absent from home for long periods, Bob's relationship with his
Speaker 1: wife had deteriorated badly. This was seen as a potential
Speaker 1: security risk.
Speaker 13: Out of the bay, my wife was having an affair
Speaker 13: with someone else, so they viewed that as a potential
Speaker 13: emotional instability, and they no longer wanted me coming out
Speaker 13: until things were cleared up, either for it, you know,
Speaker 13: it to break up or heal or whatever. But they
Speaker 13: that's what they put the brakes on everything there.
Speaker 2: And did they then stop calling you? Did you get
Speaker 2: very frustrated about that?
Speaker 11: Yeah?
Speaker 13: Then I began to wonder, boy, now they've given me
Speaker 13: all this information and everything's coming to a dead stop.
Speaker 11: What's going on?
Speaker 13: And that's when I began to be concerned. And then
Speaker 13: that's when I began said, you know, it's now it's
Speaker 13: becoming important that some other people know what was going on.
Speaker 1: As the silence turned from days to weeks, he finally
Speaker 1: decided to tell his wife and closest friends just what
Speaker 1: he'd been doing.
Speaker 2: Were you were aware of the security implications.
Speaker 13: I was quite aware of what could happen, But I
Speaker 13: was also aware that these guys would go to any
Speaker 13: extent to keep their secret and certainly not have someone
Speaker 13: that was on the inside running around. And I didn't
Speaker 13: think it was beyond them at all to make me disappear,
Speaker 13: whether I mean, who knows. I know it sounds more
Speaker 13: like a movie, but I didn't think it was beyond
Speaker 13: their capability to kill me just to stop the word
Speaker 13: from getting out.
Speaker 1: Bob knew the test flight schedule for the discs and
Speaker 1: took his wife, his best friend Jean Huff, and another friend,
Speaker 1: John Leah, out to the desert near the base on
Speaker 1: a Wednesday night in March nineteen eighty nine.
Speaker 11: Huh, I started coming in too.
Speaker 2: Half a week, and I think took up stuff.
Speaker 11: If it's like overhead, like up in the air, had
Speaker 11: three hundred miles shoes, so it could.
Speaker 2: Be anywhere in that.
Speaker 11: Yeah. Yeah, well that sounds military to me. Ahead a
Speaker 11: little yeah, yeah, I bet you that's.
Speaker 15: That's what this is.
Speaker 2: We got.
Speaker 11: Oh you see that?
Speaker 15: Yeah? What was that?
Speaker 2: Did you see a light just come on over there?
Speaker 11: Just I was looking right at it.
Speaker 15: Let me check it out.
Speaker 11: Now, there's a steady line, a steady light you just
Speaker 11: came on?
Speaker 15: No, this one right over the range here.
Speaker 11: It wasn't there.
Speaker 2: And then I was looking right there and blinking on
Speaker 2: very bright. That's brighter than a star.
Speaker 11: Huh.
Speaker 15: It doesn't look like landing lights. Whatever that head?
Speaker 11: Huh?
Speaker 2: Interesting white light?
Speaker 15: Yeah, yeah, he's coming at us.
Speaker 2: What did you see when you were out there?
Speaker 13: Shortly after the flight time that I had recorded? Uh,
Speaker 13: white light came up, well, not a white light.
Speaker 11: It was actually more of an amber light.
Speaker 13: Came up off the ground and hovered and then began
Speaker 13: doing radical step maneuvers and darting from one side of
Speaker 13: the sky to the other, doing some impossible flight characteristics.
Speaker 2: Do you think what you saw of that desert that
Speaker 2: night was an alien spicecraft?
Speaker 18: Could I identify it as an e T craft without
Speaker 18: Bob's health. No, it would have been a and you know,
Speaker 18: like I said, an elliptically shaped saucer doing you know,
Speaker 18: just doing moves that we're not capable of. But I
Speaker 18: could not say that. No, this wasn't some advanced DURST technology.
Speaker 11: Whatever that heading is. That was be a UFO.
Speaker 15: It's not blinking, it's not conforming to any sort of
Speaker 15: FAA lighting regulations. And there you're looking at it. That's
Speaker 15: like a typical UFO. If it was red, it would
Speaker 15: be real typical, because that's what most people report. There's
Speaker 15: red lights like that that are solid colored. I don't
Speaker 15: think that's landing wise because it's curved already and we're
Speaker 15: still looking at it. Looks like he's curving back and
Speaker 15: he comes. That is a typical military UFO. There you go.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 1: This small group went back to see two more Wednesday
Speaker 1: night flight tests, but on the third trip they were spotted, caught,
Speaker 1: and arrested. What was taken to Indian Springs Air Force
Speaker 1: BACE and interrogated.
Speaker 13: That interrogation was about as intense as you can possibly get,
Speaker 13: right stopping short of shooting.
Speaker 11: Me in the head.
Speaker 2: What were they saying to you?
Speaker 13: Everything up to and including that you know, we can
Speaker 13: absolutely kill you right now and there'd.
Speaker 11: Be no one looking for you at all. And I
Speaker 11: mean they everything.
Speaker 13: They threatened my wife, They threatened to kill my wife.
Speaker 13: They'd stopped, they said they'd stop, but nothing they said.
Speaker 11: They thought they made that very clear.
Speaker 13: They couldn't believe that I had taken anyone out there
Speaker 13: to show them that much less left with information like
Speaker 13: the flight test data, and wanted to know what else
Speaker 13: I had said, who else I had told specifically? They
Speaker 13: were crazy, They really were.
Speaker 11: They were completely out of control.
Speaker 1: After this interrogation at Indian Springs Air Force Base, Bob
Speaker 1: says that he was put under constant surveillance by security personnel.
Speaker 1: His phones were tapped, his movements were monitored, and he
Speaker 1: often found his car followed by military helicopters. Worried about
Speaker 1: what might happen to him, and angry about how he
Speaker 1: was being treated, he decided to hit back and approached
Speaker 1: a local TV station about an interview.
Speaker 13: I thought, if I did an interview in silhouette, it
Speaker 13: would be kind of pushing back a bit, where to
Speaker 13: say you guys, stop, and not saying too much, but
Speaker 13: just saying enough just to let him know that they
Speaker 13: am pushing back a bit and then lay off or
Speaker 13: you know it's going to get worse. It was really
Speaker 13: the only thing I could do.
Speaker 14: Did you get any calls of the military or from
Speaker 14: former workers to say, what the hell are you doing?
Speaker 13: Right after the interview aired, Dennis Marianni, who was my supervisor,
Speaker 13: called and all he said was do you have any
Speaker 13: idea what we're going to do to you now?
Speaker 11: And that was the end of the phone call.
Speaker 13: That was the last, well or really second, the last
Speaker 13: communication I had with him. And you know, then I decided, well,
Speaker 13: you know, that's it, and really just said everything that
Speaker 13: I had seen and done and just wanted to divorce
Speaker 13: the entire situation.
Speaker 1: Even now, more than twenty years later, the jury is
Speaker 1: still out on Bob Lazare and his claims about his
Speaker 1: workout at Groom Lake. It's a fascinating story which he's
Speaker 1: stuck to for more than two decades, and although many
Speaker 1: dismiss it as pure fantasy, the fact is that some
Speaker 1: of his credentials did check out. In addition, his former
Speaker 1: employers and even the tax authorities were caught covering up
Speaker 1: and refusing to release information on him. Why would they
Speaker 1: do that unless there was something to hide. One thing
Speaker 1: is for certain. If he is telling the truth, then
Speaker 1: we're all in for some shocking revelations in the decades
Speaker 1: to come.
Speaker 13: Here's the government ever going to say, you know, we've
Speaker 13: been lying to you for forty or fifty years. Now
Speaker 13: a chance, I believe the stage an event that is
Speaker 13: much more.
Speaker 11: Like what they do.
Speaker 13: They'll take a big cargo plane or see one thirty
Speaker 13: or something, take one of the old discs that they've
Speaker 13: you know, analyzed time and time again. I'm finished with,
Speaker 13: go up to a high altitude and push it out
Speaker 13: the back, and then go fly away and say, oh, look,
Speaker 13: the first disc is crashed. You know, here's a flying sauce.
Speaker 13: I mean, I can almost guarantee you that's that's the
Speaker 13: route they'd take.
Speaker 11: Must be importing, and.
Speaker 9: Certainly there are a lot of questions about Bob's background
Speaker 9: that have not been satisfactorily answered. But there's too much
Speaker 9: that Bob knows. I think it couldn't be explained any
Speaker 9: other way. He knows about the layout of the base,
Speaker 9: he knew about people who were involved in security checks.
Speaker 9: He knew when and where the test flights were going
Speaker 9: to take place. Because he took people out there three
Speaker 9: weeks in a row, and they videotaped the tests. How
Speaker 9: did he know this stuff? If he, in fact did
Speaker 9: not have some kind of inside knowledge, do.
Speaker 14: You think he'd make a good conduit of information, I mean,
Speaker 14: essentially a passy.
Speaker 2: Yes, I do.
Speaker 4: I think it's quite likely that Laza was set up,
Speaker 4: perhaps to knowing that he would give out this information.
Speaker 12: It's likely to be a very long time before we
Speaker 12: discover what is actually being done out of groom light.
Speaker 12: Now they seem to wait anything from fifteen to twenty
Speaker 12: years or more after something has been retired before they
Speaker 12: acknowledge its existence.
Speaker 5: This airplane was built designed almost forty years ago. Forty
Speaker 5: years before that, the hottest thing flying was a sawirsky
Speaker 5: P thirty five. For the years before that it was
Speaker 5: a balloon. So the technology has not stood still. So
Speaker 5: it's a very good possibility that we are looking at
Speaker 5: man made transportation for the twenty first century.
Speaker 9: It's been so hopelessly polluted that I'm not sure we
Speaker 9: will ever get to the bottom of this story.
Speaker 2: And that's sad.
Speaker 9: I suspect that whatever was out there, discs alien or not,
Speaker 9: had now been moved to some other location, and we
Speaker 9: may never find them again.
Speaker 7: There might have been reason forty years ago to believe
Speaker 7: that people couldn't handle the idea of alien dissertation.
Speaker 2: I don't think that's true anymore. I think we're far
Speaker 2: more sophisticated now.
Speaker 14: Do you regret having screwed up as floor and taking
Speaker 14: your friends there and blowing your security cover because you
Speaker 14: could still be working on UFOs today?
Speaker 11: Yes and no.
Speaker 13: Yes, At times, I'd like to be able to go
Speaker 13: back in time and played along with the game and
Speaker 13: not have done anything, and perhaps to this day still
Speaker 13: be working on them, because I did feel privileged, and
Speaker 13: it was fascinating work once you can get around all
Speaker 13: the oppressive military security, and you know, maybe we would
Speaker 13: have stumbled on something and and yeah, I would have
Speaker 13: been fascinating. I thought UFOs were pretty much a figment
Speaker 13: of someone's imagination. I didn't believe in him. I wasn't
Speaker 13: interested in him. Of course, I'm not even interested in
Speaker 13: him now, but I certainly do believe in him now.
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