The Town That Cried BIGFOOT- Murder, Mystery and Cryptids

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1:20 Speaker 6: So help you, guys. Do you believe that our government

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1:30 Speaker 7: Tonight We're going to a place where desperation turned into deception,

1:35 Speaker 7: and deception turned deadly. In the frozen grip of the

1:40 Speaker 7: winter of nineteen seventy eight, four small town officials in

1:45 Speaker 7: Virginia were facing the end. Bankruptcy loomed like a shadow

1:50 Speaker 7: over their homes, their families, their very way of life.

1:53 Speaker 7: But rather than fade into history as just another forgotten

1:57 Speaker 7: dot on the map, they made a choice, a bold,

2:01 Speaker 7: bizarre choice.

2:02 Speaker 8: They Cried Bigfoot. What started as a hoax meant to

2:07 Speaker 8: bring tourists, tabloids and cash worked too well.

2:11 Speaker 7: Money rolled in, attention skyrocketed, but so did paranoia, suspicion,

2:16 Speaker 7: and greed. And then someone ended up dead, a mystery

2:20 Speaker 7: that remains unsolved to this day. Today we are joined

2:25 Speaker 7: by the director of the film The Town that Cried

2:29 Speaker 7: Big Wolf, and I am super excited. This is the

2:32 Speaker 7: show I wanted to do for a while. It's been

2:34 Speaker 7: a while since I talked about cryptids, and I think

2:37 Speaker 7: this story is especially timely. Uh So, Mark Dasset is

2:41 Speaker 7: going to be such a great guest. We're going to

2:44 Speaker 7: start the show with the trailer for the film The

2:48 Speaker 7: Town that Cried.

2:49 Speaker 8: Big Wolf, Big Big Wolf, Bigfoot.

2:56 Speaker 6: Wavered Sheriffs Office, come out to night.

3:10 Speaker 4: Another body was discovered in the small town of Wayburn, Virginia,

3:13 Speaker 4: where he has local residents.

3:15 Speaker 2: Terrified for a while there.

3:37 Speaker 5: You know, Wayburn was a great blazer to grow up,

3:40 Speaker 5: you know, I mean it was the late seventies. Times

3:42 Speaker 5: were much simpler back in. That was about up until

3:46 Speaker 5: Danny Ship We came to town. Danny was a new

3:49 Speaker 5: hot shot mayor from Richmond. He is basically looking to

3:52 Speaker 5: climb his way up in the political ladder and looking

3:54 Speaker 5: for some low hanging fruit to do it.

3:56 Speaker 2: And apparently I.

3:57 Speaker 5: Guess Wayburn was his low hand brew of choice. Mayorship

4:01 Speaker 5: let and share through it met in secret with two

4:03 Speaker 5: other men, Lennie Hutchins, the town mechanic, and Lester Clemens,

4:08 Speaker 5: the town attorney, before of them came up with py

4:11 Speaker 5: the biggest hoaks ever pulled in the state of Virginia.

4:14 Speaker 5: That was pretty much the beginning of the hand for

4:16 Speaker 5: the town of Waiver.

4:17 Speaker 6: Last night, two men ran into the Wayburn Sheriff's office

4:20 Speaker 6: claiming they were terrorized out at their family's farm by

4:24 Speaker 6: a bigfoot.

4:25 Speaker 5: And what I've kept on right, he said, I have

4:28 Speaker 5: to all I went through on this earth, should I

4:31 Speaker 5: have to say something like this?

4:40 Speaker 8: All right, welcome to the show, Mark. It is so

4:42 Speaker 8: good to have you. Wow, what a what a what

4:46 Speaker 8: a trailer, what a film?

4:49 Speaker 7: And it's definitely something that combines, I think, something that

4:55 Speaker 7: two genres that are really really prevalent right now, and

5:00 Speaker 7: it's that true crime documentary, but also that with that

5:04 Speaker 7: that you know, supernatural and and cryptid element added in

5:08 Speaker 7: there for some real mystery and intrigue and what a

5:13 Speaker 7: what a what a really well made film, And I

5:17 Speaker 7: just I really want to start with with you know,

5:21 Speaker 7: where did the idea come from?

5:23 Speaker 8: You know, how did you get involved in this? Uh?

5:27 Speaker 6: Well, I'm I'm old. So I grew up in the seventies.

5:31 Speaker 6: That was that was around my time, and Bigfoot was everywhere.

5:35 Speaker 6: It was more popular then than it is today thanks

5:39 Speaker 6: to Lennard Nimoy in Search of the Bigfoot documentary I

5:42 Speaker 6: consider the godfather of all of them, came out in

5:45 Speaker 6: nineteen seventy seven and we all grew up watching that

5:49 Speaker 6: as kids. Then you had the six Million Dollar Man

5:53 Speaker 6: the TV show, and he was fighting a big Foot.

5:56 Speaker 6: And just like any kid that had that metal lunch

6:00 Speaker 6: box on the side of it, there was a picture

6:03 Speaker 6: of the six million dollar Man fighting a big Foot.

6:06 Speaker 2: Uh.

6:06 Speaker 6: People used to go to you know, just as Bigfoot

6:09 Speaker 6: for Halloween. So Bigfoot was huge back then. And you'd

6:13 Speaker 6: hear I grew up in Virginia, and you know, you

6:18 Speaker 6: would hear different stories. I spent summers in Roanoke near

6:21 Speaker 6: the Appalachian Mountains, and uh, you know, you'd hear TV,

6:27 Speaker 6: you'd hear tales or whatever. So it always intrigued me.

6:30 Speaker 6: But yeah, going deep dive down the YouTube rabbit hole

6:34 Speaker 6: will get you into a stories you've never heard before.

6:39 Speaker 8: So when if Okay, so starting from the beginning, what

6:45 Speaker 8: was that?

6:45 Speaker 7: What was their first moment that you knew that this

6:48 Speaker 7: strange small town story needed to be told? And like

6:54 Speaker 7: when I say that, I mean after you went down

6:57 Speaker 7: the rabbit hole and you know, come across this story,

7:04 Speaker 7: what sparked it for you?

7:07 Speaker 6: Well, actually it's included in the movie at the very end,

7:11 Speaker 6: right before the end credit roles. Was a Fox News

7:16 Speaker 6: story in Oklahoma from governor I think he was a

7:21 Speaker 6: governor justin Humphries where he This was in twenty twenty

7:26 Speaker 6: one or twenty two. He was trying to put in

7:29 Speaker 6: law bigfoot hunting license to bring in tourism and it's

7:34 Speaker 6: still they're still trying to do that today. So when

7:38 Speaker 6: I saw that story come up, I'm like, well, they

7:42 Speaker 6: can't be the first town that ever tried to bring

7:44 Speaker 6: in tourism try, you know, turn their economy around by

7:50 Speaker 6: using the legend to do it. And that's that's what

7:53 Speaker 6: sparked the idea for the story.

7:56 Speaker 7: Wow, And you know, I think green and you know

8:01 Speaker 7: there's this been this idea of you know, all around

8:05 Speaker 7: the world. You know, this goes for the UFO community

8:08 Speaker 7: as well, you know Roswell. You know, big tourism outlets

8:14 Speaker 7: are are built around these you know, sightings or encounters

8:19 Speaker 7: or stories. I mean in Massachusetts alone, you know Salem

8:23 Speaker 7: and the witch trials. I mean, I think that's all

8:26 Speaker 7: different because you know, we know that actually like you know,

8:29 Speaker 7: it happened, but it's it's they weren't real witches, so

8:34 Speaker 7: you know, it's it's another one of these things that

8:37 Speaker 7: you know, Uh, tourism is built around these quote unquote

8:41 Speaker 7: atrocities or legends. And you I mean, do you believe

8:47 Speaker 7: in Bigfoot? Do you believe that is a creature out there?

8:54 Speaker 6: That is the number one question I've gotten since I've

8:56 Speaker 6: been doing these podcast appearances. And my stock answer. The

9:02 Speaker 6: most compelling footage I've seen is the one in Farmington,

9:07 Speaker 6: Utah of guy looking through a hunting scope and he's

9:13 Speaker 6: recording it and you see an upright creature. That's pretty

9:17 Speaker 6: huge because this is the things like I think a

9:18 Speaker 6: mile mile and a half away with the scope, but

9:22 Speaker 6: you can see it clearly walking and knee deep snow

9:24 Speaker 6: at probably, I guess, I don't know. Forty five degree

9:27 Speaker 6: angle and knee deep snow at this crazy elevation and

9:31 Speaker 6: the ground it's covering and the rate it's moving is

9:36 Speaker 6: pretty impressive. So if you if you go to YouTube

9:39 Speaker 6: and just type in I think it's Bigfoot Utah or

9:43 Speaker 6: Bigfoot Mountain snow mountain footage, your viewers will be able

9:48 Speaker 6: to see it. But it's pretty impressive. So that's either

9:50 Speaker 6: AI or that's a big foot. I don't know, but

9:53 Speaker 6: that's that's the most compelling thing I've seen. I've seen

9:56 Speaker 6: way more stuff that is easy to go. That's nothing

10:00 Speaker 6: compared to Wow, what is that?

10:03 Speaker 7: Right?

10:03 Speaker 8: Yeah? So I see the Farmington.

10:06 Speaker 6: Yeah, you'll see like a blue sky with a white mountain.

10:11 Speaker 8: Yeah, so I see it here.

10:14 Speaker 7: I wonder if I could share it for anyone listening,

10:18 Speaker 7: you know, I just type in Farmington sasquats tourising deep snow.

10:24 Speaker 6: Yeah.

10:25 Speaker 7: If you guys can hear that. M I'm not seeing

10:39 Speaker 7: a creature yet, though.

10:41 Speaker 6: You will, you will. It takes a second. He they

10:45 Speaker 6: zoom in on it. He's down by the tree right here.

11:01 Speaker 7: Oh yeah, but could that just be somebody?

11:12 Speaker 2: Well?

11:13 Speaker 1: No, thing is crazy.

11:17 Speaker 6: Yeah, the the snow alone is knee deep easily. No

11:23 Speaker 6: humans gonna walk in knee deep You're gonna move very

11:26 Speaker 6: very slow. And knee deep snow you're not going to

11:29 Speaker 6: walk alone and especially let alone having Yeah, and that elevation,

11:36 Speaker 6: you're going to be winded as hell.

11:38 Speaker 7: Yeah wow, okay, So anyway, for me, that's anyone just listening,

11:46 Speaker 7: I recommend Yeah, Wow, that's bizarre because now it looks like.

11:54 Speaker 8: Now it looks like two well, that's bizarre. Yeah, I

12:04 Speaker 8: don't I don't know what to make of that.

12:06 Speaker 6: But anyway, yeah, that's that's my exact reaction. That's either

12:09 Speaker 6: AI or I don't know anything upright that's gonna move

12:12 Speaker 6: like that in that deepest snow at that elevation.

12:16 Speaker 7: Right, And and you know, I mean people talk about

12:20 Speaker 7: the Patterson gimbal footage.

12:22 Speaker 8: I I really there's too many holes in that.

12:27 Speaker 6: For me.

12:28 Speaker 7: Uh, there's too much like and for me, evidence is it.

12:34 Speaker 7: You know, evidence is evidence. I understand that. But you know,

12:39 Speaker 7: like if you look at the Calvine Ufo photo, it

12:44 Speaker 7: there's so much plausible deny, plausible deniability in that photo

12:48 Speaker 7: with the the debunkers can put it in your head

12:52 Speaker 7: enough where you don't know whether it's true or not,

12:56 Speaker 7: and like their explanation really does make it just as

13:00 Speaker 7: much as you know. It's when the debunkers, you know,

13:04 Speaker 7: put out these outlandish swamp gas theories that that's when

13:08 Speaker 7: you start really having to ask questions if the if

13:11 Speaker 7: the debunking is more outlandish than just a you know,

13:16 Speaker 7: a craft being seen.

13:17 Speaker 8: I think that's when we should pay attention.

13:19 Speaker 7: But the movie that you made, I mean, there's there's

13:25 Speaker 7: there's these larger themes of of corruption, you know, narrative

13:33 Speaker 7: and legend, but but then something bad really happening. So

13:39 Speaker 7: can you walk us through, like without spoiling the film

13:42 Speaker 7: because the links are in the description for below for

13:44 Speaker 7: anyone wants to watch the movie, But so.

13:49 Speaker 8: Can can you walk us through the cliff notes.

13:52 Speaker 7: Of the the the story?

13:56 Speaker 6: Sure? Absolutely so.

13:58 Speaker 7: Uh.

13:59 Speaker 6: This is in the town called Wayburn, Virginia, just north

14:02 Speaker 6: of Roanoke, Virginia, pretty much at the foot of the

14:05 Speaker 6: Appalachian Mountains basically, and it's nineteen seventy eight and it's

14:10 Speaker 6: a lumber mill town and the sheriff, they have a

14:16 Speaker 6: mayor that's been around for a while, and the sheriff

14:19 Speaker 6: happens to be cousins with a young mayor and Richmond,

14:23 Speaker 6: who he's trying to be mayor, who's not doing very

14:26 Speaker 6: well because he's a small fish in a big pond. Right,

14:29 Speaker 6: So the sheriff says, hey, Danny, who's the young guy

14:33 Speaker 6: in Richmond, why don't you come over here to Wayburn.

14:36 Speaker 6: It's a much smaller place. My endorsement is going to

14:41 Speaker 6: carry a lot of wait in this town. I can

14:43 Speaker 6: get you as a mayor. We can make some big

14:45 Speaker 6: changes here, and then you can start climbing your political ladder.

14:49 Speaker 6: Just do it in a smaller pond. Quit trying to

14:51 Speaker 6: jump into the ocean, and do it right. So Danny's like, yeah,

14:55 Speaker 6: this isn't working in Richmond. Let's do it. So he

14:58 Speaker 6: goes to Wayburn and one of the first things he

15:01 Speaker 6: tries to do to win the people over is the

15:07 Speaker 6: Shelby Lumber Company is the premier employer in that town. Like,

15:12 Speaker 6: either work at the Shelby Lumber Company or your farmer

15:15 Speaker 6: or some of them did both, right, And so what

15:19 Speaker 6: he decides to do, Let's make the Shelby Lumber Company

15:23 Speaker 6: pick up the big tax burden for the town to make.

15:27 Speaker 6: We can lower the taxes on the people and that'll

15:29 Speaker 6: get the people on my side. Well, the Shelby Lumber

15:32 Speaker 6: Company didn't like that idea, so mister Shelby basically shut

15:38 Speaker 6: the mill down for two weeks, kind of like at

15:40 Speaker 6: a standstill, kind of like what's you know, what's going

15:42 Speaker 6: on with tariffs and stuff right now? You know, you

15:45 Speaker 6: got two sides trying to strong arm their way to

15:48 Speaker 6: get what they want. Right, Well, mister Shelby shut the

15:52 Speaker 6: mill down for two weeks and then that didn't work

15:54 Speaker 6: out too well. But right at the end of that

15:56 Speaker 6: two weeks, it mysteriously burned down. And so the Shelby

16:02 Speaker 6: Lumber Company they didn't reopen, they didn't rebuild, they just

16:05 Speaker 6: moved to West Virginia. So now you have a brand

16:09 Speaker 6: new mayor and you have the sheriff who's the older

16:12 Speaker 6: cousin of that mayor who brought him in, and they're

16:15 Speaker 6: all like, what are we going to do? Like the

16:17 Speaker 6: number one employer in the town is gone. We're screwed,

16:21 Speaker 6: you know. And they meet with the other guy, Lester Clemens,

16:27 Speaker 6: who was the town attorney, and they meet in the

16:31 Speaker 6: garage of the town mechanic, Lonnie Hutchins. So the four

16:35 Speaker 6: of them. They later became known as the Fraudulent Four

16:38 Speaker 6: because of what they did. They were sitting around trying

16:42 Speaker 6: to figure out what the hell are we going to do?

16:44 Speaker 6: And back to what I said earlier about Bigfoot was

16:47 Speaker 6: everywhere in nineteen seventy eight, and they were on lunchboxes. Well,

16:51 Speaker 6: they're in Lonnie's garage and he sees his son's six

16:54 Speaker 6: million dollar man lunch box sitting on his work bench

16:59 Speaker 6: and he goes, what if we bring Bigfoot to Wayburn?

17:03 Speaker 6: And they're like, what are you talking about? And then

17:06 Speaker 6: he mentions the town out in California, Willow Creek. They

17:11 Speaker 6: when all that happened with the Patterson Gimlin film, people

17:14 Speaker 6: flooded that town. People were skipping Disney World to go

17:18 Speaker 6: to Willow Creek, and so the Mayor's like, you know,

17:23 Speaker 6: how the hell are we going to do that? And

17:25 Speaker 6: then the sheriff says, we lay Bigfoot tracks and we

17:29 Speaker 6: let the town do it for us. We scare them

17:32 Speaker 6: into doing the publicity for it. So basically they waited

17:36 Speaker 6: for the first snowfall and then they laid down big

17:39 Speaker 6: Foot tracks all around some I think it was two farms,

17:43 Speaker 6: and the next morning the town people just did the

17:46 Speaker 6: pr work for them. They were out there with their

17:49 Speaker 6: polaroid cameras taking pictures. They were called. They flooded the

17:52 Speaker 6: sheriff station with you know, these calls like I don't

17:56 Speaker 6: know what the hell this thing is. This footprints bigger

17:59 Speaker 6: than my tool. And it started to make the local news,

18:03 Speaker 6: and that's pretty much what they were wanting to do,

18:05 Speaker 6: get publicity, and it made local news, but it didn't

18:11 Speaker 6: it didn't hit like they wanted to. It didn't really

18:13 Speaker 6: start to drive in the tourism as much where anybody

18:16 Speaker 6: would see any dollars being made. And then they took

18:19 Speaker 6: it up a notch and they went out and I

18:23 Speaker 6: think it was in the spring a couple months later,

18:25 Speaker 6: and they slaughtered a farmer's cow and they threw blood.

18:28 Speaker 6: What you saw on the trailer that's at the beginning,

18:31 Speaker 6: there's blood all over the side of this farmhouse. And

18:35 Speaker 6: then that really kicked it off because then news, all

18:39 Speaker 6: news stations from way outside of the Wyburn area started

18:43 Speaker 6: covering it. Charlottesville, Richmond, you know, Virginia Beach, Norfolk, you know, Charlotte,

18:48 Speaker 6: North Carolina. It started to get a lot of traction,

18:51 Speaker 6: like what's going on? In this little town. And so

18:54 Speaker 6: then that's when, you know, I think within six months

18:59 Speaker 6: during that summertime, they had over a million and a

19:02 Speaker 6: half people show up into a town of fourteen hundred people.

19:07 Speaker 6: So really, yeah, it flipped the town. Like the h

19:13 Speaker 6: what's the saying, be careful what you wish for, right,

19:16 Speaker 6: and so uh yeah, the uh the guy who rents

19:22 Speaker 6: the canoe rentals he even says, he goes, I can't

19:24 Speaker 6: tell you how many people we have on any give

19:26 Speaker 6: on in Wayburn on any given day, but I can

19:29 Speaker 6: tell you I have twenty five hundred canoes that go

19:31 Speaker 6: out on a Saturday morning. That's a lot of people

19:34 Speaker 6: in the river, two hundred people. Like you could, you're

19:37 Speaker 6: pretty much aut of water.

19:38 Speaker 7: You just yeah, you know, fifteen bucks to rent the canoe.

19:44 Speaker 6: Well, I mean this is nineteen seventy eight. It was

19:46 Speaker 6: probably like six bucks or whatever. But yeah, yeah, they're

19:49 Speaker 6: doing really well.

19:50 Speaker 8: Yeah, they were doing really well.

19:53 Speaker 6: Oh yeah, and so well the big one, the big winners,

19:58 Speaker 6: the big winners or the actual farmers, because we got

20:02 Speaker 6: to remember, this is a town of fourteen hundred, it's

20:05 Speaker 6: a lumber mill town. There was no there was a

20:07 Speaker 6: holiday inn, but that was that way out by Interstate

20:10 Speaker 6: sixty four that was like twenty thirty minutes away. But

20:13 Speaker 6: there was no hotels for people to stay at. So

20:15 Speaker 6: what the farmers did is they turned their back forty

20:20 Speaker 6: their fields into makeshift grounds, and so they were renting

20:24 Speaker 6: out places five or eight bucks a pop, and the

20:29 Speaker 6: farmers were making a killing. Yeah, so they became and

20:35 Speaker 6: then farmers were doing big foot tours, you know, putting people.

20:40 Speaker 6: There's scenes of a guy pulling a tractor with all

20:42 Speaker 6: these kids on the back on this big trailer and

20:46 Speaker 6: he's just hauling them around his property. You know, like, hey,

20:50 Speaker 6: let's go see where a big foot walk. Yeah, so

20:52 Speaker 6: they very industrious.

20:57 Speaker 7: Who is the first person to report this? Because you know,

21:04 Speaker 7: where did they put the tracks that they knew that

21:07 Speaker 7: they were going to be seen?

21:09 Speaker 2: Oh?

21:09 Speaker 6: Around the farmhouse. The first call you hear is a

21:12 Speaker 6: woman saying, I don't even know how to report this,

21:15 Speaker 6: but my husband one you wanted me to call. We

21:18 Speaker 6: woke up this morning. I have bigfoot tracks that go

21:20 Speaker 6: all around. Because farmers the first thing they get up,

21:23 Speaker 6: I mean, it's it doesn't matter if it's raining or snow.

21:25 Speaker 6: And the first thing you do as a farmer. When

21:27 Speaker 6: you get up at six or seven o'clock in the

21:29 Speaker 6: morning or earlier is you go out and you check

21:31 Speaker 6: on your livestock. And they knew that's what they were

21:34 Speaker 6: going to do, and so they laid bigfoot tracks all

21:36 Speaker 6: around their house and out to their barn. So I

21:40 Speaker 6: mean they literally had to step in them to see them.

21:42 Speaker 6: You know, they weren't going to miss them.

21:45 Speaker 7: They targeted now and hear me out on this, I'm

21:49 Speaker 7: not saying, you know, they were like, all right, you know,

21:53 Speaker 7: let's maliciously put it on this person's property.

21:56 Speaker 8: But maybe they did, I don't know it.

22:00 Speaker 6: Oh, it was all malicious.

22:02 Speaker 7: They they targeted someone and then trespassed on the.

22:07 Speaker 8: Land to make these tracks and made this.

22:11 Speaker 7: I mean, I'm sure the people that lived there made

22:13 Speaker 7: a killing off of of.

22:16 Speaker 8: Bringing people onto their property.

22:17 Speaker 7: But you know, so, is that what you're saying, that

22:23 Speaker 7: they went on someone's property and and put these tracks there.

22:28 Speaker 6: Yeah. They not only went on somebody's property, That's what

22:30 Speaker 6: I was saying. They killed somebody's cow and they they

22:34 Speaker 6: threw the blood all over the side of the house.

22:36 Speaker 6: Yeah right, yeah, I mean they was.

22:39 Speaker 8: It the same person's cow?

22:42 Speaker 6: No, no, no, no, no, no, there was, I mean,

22:46 Speaker 6: yeah there was. It was like four or five farmers.

22:48 Speaker 6: They couldn't just target one person over and over and over,

22:50 Speaker 6: and then it wouldn't look like you know, it's like

22:53 Speaker 6: that would look a little silly. But yeah, they needed

22:56 Speaker 6: multiple calls. Yeah, they needed multiple calls into the share

23:00 Speaker 6: to make headlines. And then they needed enough where the

23:03 Speaker 6: news people could come in and they could start interviewing

23:06 Speaker 6: people and they can, you know, get story after story.

23:09 Speaker 6: They needed to keep this thing thriving so it would

23:11 Speaker 6: do what it did.

23:12 Speaker 7: And here's the thing, and this is again what I

23:16 Speaker 7: really love about this is the parallels to so many

23:23 Speaker 7: overlying issues in the community of UFOs. I like to

23:29 Speaker 7: just call it the phenomena, you know, and and you

23:32 Speaker 7: know that includes the paranormal, and that includes the supernatural

23:37 Speaker 7: and the underworldly and the intertal so the for for

23:42 Speaker 7: the future, let's I'm just gonna refer to it as

23:45 Speaker 7: the phenomena. And so the phenomena is people use other

23:54 Speaker 7: so stories and and and they knew that they were

23:58 Speaker 7: going to be able to corroborate one story with the other,

24:03 Speaker 7: even though they weren't related. But they were going to

24:06 Speaker 7: use one story to say that the other story was

24:10 Speaker 7: then validated. And we see this far too many times.

24:14 Speaker 7: People took the New York Times article in twenty seventeen

24:19 Speaker 7: and then you know said, okay, look, the government's admit

24:23 Speaker 7: admitted to lying.

24:25 Speaker 8: That makes what I'm saying true.

24:27 Speaker 7: So it's the same tactic, if you will, of bouncing

24:32 Speaker 7: stories off of each other that are unrelated to corroborate

24:36 Speaker 7: a larger narrative.

24:39 Speaker 6: Oh sure, sure, So.

24:43 Speaker 7: Okay, so what happens I mean, so they slaughter someone's

24:47 Speaker 7: cow and do some pretty atrocious things. What happens next?

24:52 Speaker 8: You know, people are flooding the town.

24:54 Speaker 6: Now, yeah, so the people are flooding the town. And

24:58 Speaker 6: basically you got to remember that there was four people behind

25:02 Speaker 6: this that were running it. And eventually, as money starts

25:07 Speaker 6: changing hands, somebody obviously starts money in power will make

25:13 Speaker 6: people throughout their moral compass right out the window. I mean,

25:16 Speaker 6: that's what the whole problem with d C exactly. That's

25:19 Speaker 6: why d C is the way it is. But they

25:23 Speaker 6: may go in with great intentions, but once they get

25:25 Speaker 6: in there and they're like, oh, this is how you

25:26 Speaker 6: play the game own, this is what the prize I

25:29 Speaker 6: get Okay, I'm in majority of them. I mean, I

25:32 Speaker 6: think there are one or two decent ones. But anyway, yeah,

25:36 Speaker 6: I know.

25:37 Speaker 7: Some of them, and honestly, most of them say that

25:40 Speaker 7: d C. It's you can't even call it a swamp

25:43 Speaker 7: because at least the swamp is an ecosystem. It's not

25:47 Speaker 7: even that, right, right right.

25:51 Speaker 6: So, so so what the what the fraudulent? For the

25:56 Speaker 6: four town council members, one of them doesn't feel like

26:00 Speaker 6: he's getting his fair shake because he's a mechanic, Lonnie

26:04 Speaker 6: where his barn the meetings took place. The other guys

26:10 Speaker 6: are opening businesses. They're opening big foot burger joints. There

26:13 Speaker 6: ones opening a nightclub, and they're starting to thrive. And

26:19 Speaker 6: he he he kind of says, hey, you know, I

26:22 Speaker 6: need some help, help me open open up side business

26:24 Speaker 6: for myself. They kind of blow them off because the

26:27 Speaker 6: other three are into their own thing, and he kind of,

26:31 Speaker 6: uh he blackmails them basically into uh, he found some

26:36 Speaker 6: tape recordings in the barn that Lester Clemens, the town attorney,

26:42 Speaker 6: was he was recording all their meetings, and so Lonnie

26:47 Speaker 6: ends up stealing the tapes and finding h and blackmailing

26:51 Speaker 6: the other three and lo and behold. He ends up

26:55 Speaker 6: getting killed obviously, and that's still you never really yeah,

27:00 Speaker 6: so they end up taking one of their own out. Yeah,

27:04 Speaker 6: this and so.

27:07 Speaker 7: Say that again to cover their tracks, they have to

27:10 Speaker 7: kill someone.

27:11 Speaker 6: Oh yeah, yeah yeah. The byeline is a lie to

27:15 Speaker 6: save a town, a murder to hide the truth.

27:19 Speaker 8: Wow.

27:20 Speaker 6: I mean that pretty much sums up the whole the

27:22 Speaker 6: whole movie. Yeah wow.

27:24 Speaker 7: So okay, so now they you know, they commit legitimate

27:31 Speaker 7: I mean this goes from.

27:33 Speaker 6: You know, allegedly nobody ever got nobody's been caught.

27:38 Speaker 7: Yeah right, and again I guess we should, you know,

27:41 Speaker 7: breakface that with this. You know, these accusations, these are

27:45 Speaker 7: not accusations. This is just a mere you know, a

27:49 Speaker 7: speculative theory. But so, okay, this graduates from because this

27:55 Speaker 7: is now graduated right from.

27:57 Speaker 6: Oh yeah, it goes from from bad to worse.

28:00 Speaker 7: Yeah right, publicity to like a real crime committed. How

28:06 Speaker 7: does that affect the tourism or does that increase the tourism.

28:13 Speaker 6: Well that's when by that time in the movie, that's

28:15 Speaker 6: when the wheels come off. The tapes get leaked to

28:18 Speaker 6: the news, the same news stations that have been covering

28:22 Speaker 6: it from day one, who were you know, they're like, wow,

28:25 Speaker 6: this town you know that's called the Bigfoot Capital of

28:27 Speaker 6: the East Coast. Now they're they're like, oh wow this

28:33 Speaker 6: uh look what we found. And so then that's when

28:37 Speaker 6: the wheels come off and it gets even worse. So,

28:41 Speaker 6: I mean, that's more people, more people die, So uh,

28:45 Speaker 6: it goes it gets really bad. That's all I can

28:47 Speaker 6: say because otherwise of that, nobody needs to see the

28:49 Speaker 6: movie because I've told you everything. But the cool thing is,

28:54 Speaker 6: here's here's a cool thing. From the moment, just like

28:57 Speaker 6: you saw in the trailer, from the moment you hit

29:01 Speaker 6: way up to the last five I think ten seconds

29:03 Speaker 6: before the end credits roll, you were in nineteen seventy eight.

29:07 Speaker 6: What this film is not is there's no boring drone

29:12 Speaker 6: footage over a forest with nothing happening. There's no random

29:17 Speaker 6: dude sitting on his couch, you know, in present day

29:21 Speaker 6: talking about something. For a half hour. You were seeing

29:26 Speaker 6: authentic nineteen seventy eight coverage from the moment it happened,

29:31 Speaker 6: all the way to the end. It's a short documentary,

29:34 Speaker 6: it's only forty six minutes, but you that was one

29:37 Speaker 6: of the things I wanted to be able to do

29:39 Speaker 6: is as soon as you hit play, you were in

29:41 Speaker 6: nineteen seventy eight. The entire time. There's nothing that pulls

29:45 Speaker 6: you out till modern day, until the last ten seconds,

29:50 Speaker 6: so that yeah, there's there's no there's no stock footage

29:54 Speaker 6: that you see in so many documentaries to kill Dome, right.

29:58 Speaker 7: And that's one of the things I do love about,

30:03 Speaker 7: you know, I love I do love about storytelling and

30:06 Speaker 7: how unique it can be. Is you can tell a

30:10 Speaker 7: story in so many different ways. Now and what you

30:14 Speaker 7: did was you took the meat of it.

30:16 Speaker 8: And and what I always loved about.

30:18 Speaker 7: Movies in general is the ability for to get lost

30:25 Speaker 7: in a story and to be trying, you know. And

30:27 Speaker 7: and I you know, I just put an episode about,

30:31 Speaker 7: you know how I think our brains and our consciousness

30:35 Speaker 7: can time travel, and you know, we do it all

30:38 Speaker 7: the time by thinking back on memories when you know,

30:42 Speaker 7: you know, a smell can bring you back to a memory.

30:46 Speaker 8: Music, music can bring you exactly. I literally cite.

30:50 Speaker 7: That and and and the in the the the short episode,

30:57 Speaker 7: and you know, it's almost like you're back there in

31:00 Speaker 7: that moment, and it's almost so real and vivid that

31:03 Speaker 7: you can touch it, and it's rendering it in real

31:07 Speaker 7: time while you know, a series of now compiles upon

31:12 Speaker 7: each other right in front of you. It's rendering that

31:15 Speaker 7: that thing. So it's a matter of time until the

31:19 Speaker 7: technology that we're using to to you know, shows it

31:23 Speaker 7: sounds like a black Mirror episode, but we're going to

31:26 Speaker 7: be able to play memories. And you know, I think

31:28 Speaker 7: that's what time travel really is, is the ability to

31:32 Speaker 7: you know, look back upon the past, because then you

31:35 Speaker 7: don't run into paradoxes like the Grandfather paradox if you're

31:38 Speaker 7: simply an observer, right, so.

31:42 Speaker 8: You know, and and like the ghost ghost of Christmas past.

31:45 Speaker 8: But that that's a whole different topic.

31:47 Speaker 7: But what you did, what you do in this film

31:52 Speaker 7: by you know, really like bringing the viewer back to nineteen.

31:57 Speaker 6: You know, seventy eight, Yeah, from seventy eight to eighty yeah, so.

32:03 Speaker 7: Yeah, so encapsulating the viewer and like how it would

32:08 Speaker 7: feel to be back there in that time while this

32:11 Speaker 7: is happening.

32:12 Speaker 8: And that's so unique.

32:18 Speaker 9: Oh, I think I might have lost your audio.

32:55 Speaker 8: Mhm, hey, uh.

33:05 Speaker 10: Nope, still can't. You're muted though, Oh there you are,

33:19 Speaker 10: cred a marker.

33:23 Speaker 8: I gotta. I'm gonna go back to the set of

33:26 Speaker 8: questions and go.

33:28 Speaker 6: Can you hear me now?

33:30 Speaker 2: Yep?

33:31 Speaker 6: Okay, cool, Yeah, I don't know what happened. That was whird.

33:33 Speaker 6: I'm I'm staying in the same spot. I'm not moving

33:35 Speaker 6: so all right, all right?

33:40 Speaker 7: So what does this story say about the power of belief,

33:44 Speaker 7: especially when that belief is manufactured?

33:49 Speaker 6: That that's the that's the theme stated in the movie,

33:54 Speaker 6: actually three times in the movie. Well, let me answer

33:57 Speaker 6: your question first. Critical thinking, critical thanking is very essential

34:01 Speaker 6: to any any community that deals with bigfoot, UFOs, any

34:07 Speaker 6: type of conspira who killed John F. Kennedy or whatever.

34:09 Speaker 6: Taking things at face value just because of aligns with

34:12 Speaker 6: your beliefs is very dangerous. Like about earlier about echo chambers,

34:17 Speaker 6: you know those, you need you need critical thinking to

34:25 Speaker 6: to analyze evidence, which it will keep it more authentic

34:29 Speaker 6: and relevant than just taking things at face value. Does

34:32 Speaker 6: that make sense?

34:34 Speaker 1: Yeah?

34:34 Speaker 6: No, absolutely, yeah. So yeah, there's one part when the

34:41 Speaker 6: news stations were picking up the story in Wayburn, and

34:46 Speaker 6: one news station actually says he's a new station manager,

34:50 Speaker 6: and he said, we are not going to bastardize our

34:53 Speaker 6: news just for ratings. And they weren't buying it, and

34:57 Speaker 6: so they weren't covering it. That's a prime example of

35:01 Speaker 6: critical thinking. Then you have the reporter who went to

35:04 Speaker 6: Wayburn as he's talking interviewing the people in the town,

35:08 Speaker 6: and he says, just like with any story, not everybody believes, uh,

35:13 Speaker 6: there's a big foot here in Wayburn, and you just

35:15 Speaker 6: cut to an old lady who just she goes, I

35:18 Speaker 6: think it's all hooey myself. Then you had one lady

35:22 Speaker 6: h chalk up the blood on the side of the

35:24 Speaker 6: house as devil worship because there was a red moon

35:26 Speaker 6: out the night before, so yeah, called the blood moon.

35:35 Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, yeah, So she attributed that. She's like, you're

35:38 Speaker 6: gonna see this type of thing come up when when

35:41 Speaker 6: this type of moon happens, and she just says, you know,

35:44 Speaker 6: just keeps and ears open.

35:46 Speaker 7: So yeah that you think was she right, because I

35:50 Speaker 7: mean it did happen. Someone grew, someone did murder an

35:55 Speaker 7: animal and do something atrocious, and.

35:58 Speaker 8: Sure you got to you can't. And that's the thing

36:01 Speaker 8: is that lady was technically right. This thing does happen, right,

36:06 Speaker 8: be a lot.

36:06 Speaker 6: Crazy, And that's the fun part of this movie, I

36:11 Speaker 6: think is one there's two things that that make me happy.

36:16 Speaker 6: Is one is a lot of people get excited because

36:19 Speaker 6: they get to see people like me that grew up

36:22 Speaker 6: in that era. They're like, my dad had that truck

36:24 Speaker 6: or we had that same type of metal box on

36:27 Speaker 6: our house or whatever. It's kind of neat to see,

36:29 Speaker 6: you know, like you were talking about it. It's time traveling, right.

36:35 Speaker 6: But the other thing is there's there are still a

36:38 Speaker 6: lot of unanswered questions that were never resolved. Now here's

36:43 Speaker 6: the interesting part. The sheriff did get arrested and in

36:50 Speaker 6: court on the witness stand, he stated, he said, look,

36:54 Speaker 6: we made two sets of bigfoot tracks at two different times.

36:58 Speaker 6: We did it in the winter of seven eight and

37:01 Speaker 6: then we did it in the spring of seventy nine.

37:04 Speaker 6: He said, but if you look at all the bigfoot

37:07 Speaker 6: tracks that were the pictures that were taken and that

37:10 Speaker 6: were on the news, they don't match up. He's like,

37:13 Speaker 6: we were using the same wood planks for the feet

37:15 Speaker 6: they show it, and he was like, those tracks aren't us.

37:20 Speaker 6: And he talked about people reporting bigfoot howls and uh,

37:24 Speaker 6: people throwing our bigfoots, throwing rocks or tree knocking or whatever.

37:30 Speaker 6: Even He's like, we didn't do any of that because

37:32 Speaker 6: he said, I'll tell you why, because we didn't know

37:35 Speaker 6: how to do it where people could use it as evidence,

37:38 Speaker 6: because we needed people to report this to the news.

37:41 Speaker 6: So not many farmers had cassette recorders back in nineteen

37:44 Speaker 6: seventy eight. They didn't really have a reason for it.

37:47 Speaker 6: But everybody had a camera, you know, Polaroids were instinct cameras.

37:50 Speaker 6: I mean, you press the button, your picture came out

37:53 Speaker 6: right then and there cameras were huge back then. Everybody

37:57 Speaker 6: took Christmas you know, morning pictures or whatever.

38:00 Speaker 9: Ye.

38:00 Speaker 6: So so they didn't make any noises and they didn't

38:05 Speaker 6: they didn't do all the tree knocking stuff because they're like, well,

38:08 Speaker 6: how's that gonna get on the news? You know, because

38:10 Speaker 6: then they wanted credible things to really drive the attention.

38:15 Speaker 6: That's why they laid down the footprints the tracks. But

38:19 Speaker 6: as he was stated, hey, look at the pictures. They

38:21 Speaker 6: don't match. Those those are ours. I don't know who

38:24 Speaker 6: did those. So that's kind of interesting as well.

38:28 Speaker 7: Yeah, it kind of brings up that idea of like

38:31 Speaker 7: manifestation and you know, if if the whole town believe

38:36 Speaker 7: that Bigfoot was there, you know, was Bigfoot, you know,

38:41 Speaker 7: or was something you know channeled by by consciousness and

38:47 Speaker 7: and you know made the veil dinner and and.

38:50 Speaker 8: Maybe something you know did it did show up.

38:53 Speaker 7: But also maybe just the news uh, you know, just

38:57 Speaker 7: as likely created tracks of their own to make the

39:00 Speaker 7: story more alluring.

39:02 Speaker 6: You know, sure, I mean that that's yeah, that's what

39:05 Speaker 6: makes us movie fun in my opinion, but obviously I

39:09 Speaker 6: made it, so I'm biased. But it's a fun watch.

39:13 Speaker 6: It's it's a fun, entertaining watch.

39:15 Speaker 7: Why do you why do you think Bigfoot still holds

39:18 Speaker 7: such a grip on you know, American folk or even

39:21 Speaker 7: in age of drones, satellites and you know, constant surveillance,

39:25 Speaker 7: whether it be trail cams or you know, other means.

39:32 Speaker 7: How do you think this, this this phenomena still persists.

39:37 Speaker 6: That's a very good question. I think. I think at

39:42 Speaker 6: the end of the day, people are looking for something

39:45 Speaker 6: to believe in. People, Uh, and they're like I directed

39:49 Speaker 6: you earlier to that Farmington, Utah footage.

39:52 Speaker 10: Uh.

39:53 Speaker 6: There is some some things that are hard to explain.

39:58 Speaker 6: The number one thing I've heard that correlates between what

40:01 Speaker 6: you just said with the UFOs and Bigfoot and Lockness

40:03 Speaker 6: monster or whatever is. You have all these witnesses from

40:09 Speaker 6: all different areas saying the exact same thing. So, you know,

40:16 Speaker 6: are there you even seen in my film you see

40:19 Speaker 6: a guy clearly making some shit up where he's basically

40:23 Speaker 6: talking about yeah, we saw Bigfoot throwing a tire at

40:27 Speaker 6: a bunch of cars, and they're like, how many people?

40:29 Speaker 6: He's like forty people? Oh okay, right, yeah it was.

40:34 Speaker 6: But as the narrator stated, you know, hey, you know

40:38 Speaker 6: some people are just looking for their fifteen minutes of

40:40 Speaker 6: fame as well, you know. Yeah, yeah, So I mean

40:47 Speaker 6: to answer your question, I mean, that's I guess I

40:51 Speaker 6: can't answer that because I don't know, I've never had

40:54 Speaker 6: an experience. I've never seen anything like it. I heard stories,

40:58 Speaker 6: but once again, they're just stories. And I've seen way

41:01 Speaker 6: more things on uh the Internet that are clearly clearly

41:07 Speaker 6: ridiculous as far as uh unlike that Farmington, Utah footage

41:12 Speaker 6: where you kind of go, that's different. That's that's a

41:16 Speaker 6: hard one to explain. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so.

41:22 Speaker 7: Well yeah, and that's the thing is, you know, uh,

41:26 Speaker 7: the the community has been so saturated with and you know,

41:30 Speaker 7: the advent of AI doesn't help. So you know, these

41:35 Speaker 7: older cases, these these older pictures are going to end

41:39 Speaker 7: up being you know, worth more evidentially, you know, until

41:45 Speaker 7: crystal clear footage comes out from the military of some

41:48 Speaker 7: of these crafts or whatever.

41:51 Speaker 8: Because the advent of AI, you know, it's.

41:53 Speaker 7: Almost too you know, when is it going to be

41:58 Speaker 7: When is it going to be our almost indistinguishable.

42:03 Speaker 6: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, there's there's a whole YouTube channel

42:06 Speaker 6: now where they have it looks like green Peace, these

42:09 Speaker 6: ships pulling up and then you see a humpback whale

42:12 Speaker 6: emerge from under the water and they're scrubbing the barnacles

42:15 Speaker 6: off of its back, and it's rolling over and letting

42:17 Speaker 6: them scrub, which is clearly that's not real. But they've mastered.

42:22 Speaker 6: The hardest thing in Hollywood for them to master was water.

42:26 Speaker 6: That's why Avatar. Yeah, yeah, but they yeah, but they've

42:32 Speaker 6: nailed it. They've got that down. I mean, that's you know,

42:36 Speaker 6: but I've seen some silly stuff where AI has a

42:38 Speaker 6: hard time with fingers, Like they'll make somebody who looks

42:41 Speaker 6: just like Sylvester Stallone but he has a pinky growing

42:44 Speaker 6: out of his elbow, you know. But that stuff's getting better.

42:47 Speaker 6: They're fine tuning that like hourly. So yeah, you know

42:52 Speaker 6: this time next week, it's going to be one hundred

42:54 Speaker 6: times better, right, and.

42:56 Speaker 8: Then the week after that, the week after that.

42:59 Speaker 6: Sure, almost you know, with.

43:00 Speaker 7: The the merging of of of virtual reality with augmented reality,

43:07 Speaker 7: with artificial intelligence, you know, it's almost like a ready player.

43:11 Speaker 7: One situation is, you know, about to be you know,

43:17 Speaker 7: pretty close to reality.

43:19 Speaker 8: And I don't know what you think about.

43:21 Speaker 6: That, but it's not for me, dude, I'm in my fifties.

43:25 Speaker 6: Next twenty years isn't for me. I don't want any

43:28 Speaker 6: part of it. That's why I like making movies that

43:31 Speaker 6: take place, you know, back when I grew up.

43:34 Speaker 8: Yeah right, what what?

43:38 Speaker 2: What?

43:39 Speaker 7: What lessons can we learn from this town's descent into chaos?

43:46 Speaker 7: And you know, is it a cautionary tale or something

43:50 Speaker 7: more maybe sinister?

43:53 Speaker 6: I think it's pretty much what we already talked about.

43:56 Speaker 6: It's uh and it's it's and it's with AI. It's

44:00 Speaker 6: more relevant today than it was in nineteen seventy eight,

44:03 Speaker 6: which is critical thinking because when you go to YouTube

44:08 Speaker 6: or CNN or Fox or whatever you watched, even just

44:12 Speaker 6: to even check up on the news, they have AIS

44:15 Speaker 6: right in article. AI bots writing articles now and they've

44:18 Speaker 6: had they've been called out on it. They've had to

44:20 Speaker 6: pull it down because it was automated, and they're like, oh, yeah, okay,

44:24 Speaker 6: that was that was AI. We're sorry. And it's just

44:27 Speaker 6: getting worse and worse and worse, and but AI is

44:30 Speaker 6: getting better and better and better. We live in a

44:33 Speaker 6: paradoxal time right now, where we're a society that believes

44:38 Speaker 6: in nothing, but we believe in everything at the same time,

44:42 Speaker 6: meaning we believe in nothing because everybody, oh, you know,

44:46 Speaker 6: there's a conspiracy theory about everything, right Shador Sanders. You know,

44:50 Speaker 6: who's supposed to be number one or number two in

44:52 Speaker 6: the NFL draft pick, Well he didn't go to like

44:54 Speaker 6: one hundred and forty fourth or whatever. And there's all

44:57 Speaker 6: these you know, all kinds of things are around around

45:01 Speaker 6: that that was popular a couple of weeks ago or whatever.

45:05 Speaker 6: So yeah, everybody's quick to you know, not believe something.

45:10 Speaker 6: But as you stated earlier, the echo chamber, if you

45:14 Speaker 6: get around the right group of people, then you'll you'll

45:18 Speaker 6: believe as long as it aligns with your values and

45:21 Speaker 6: your beliefs. You won't care about fact checking it, you'll

45:24 Speaker 6: be like, yeah, yeah, that's right, you know, and you'll

45:26 Speaker 6: jump on that bandwagon without going well all right, well

45:28 Speaker 6: let me let me look into that. So it's a

45:32 Speaker 6: weird time. But the lesson is the lesson I believe

45:36 Speaker 6: is critical thinking. Uh, you really have to. You know.

45:41 Speaker 6: My father told me a long time ago, he said,

45:44 Speaker 6: believe half of what you see and half of what

45:46 Speaker 6: you hear. And that never made sense to me. But

45:49 Speaker 6: it's more relevant now than ever before.

45:53 Speaker 7: With AI absolutely, you know, and you know, you know

45:59 Speaker 7: what scares me is, you know, when is some you know,

46:04 Speaker 7: state actor going to make a video of you know,

46:09 Speaker 7: something that people think is real and you know, jumped

46:13 Speaker 7: to conclusions first, you know, I.

46:17 Speaker 6: Mean look at the look what the FAA the was

46:19 Speaker 6: it the fa did with the drones, the New Jersey

46:22 Speaker 6: drones for yeah, yeah, for what six eight months they're like,

46:26 Speaker 6: we have no idea, we're shutting down airports, we don't

46:28 Speaker 6: know what's going on. Then they come out later and

46:31 Speaker 6: they're like, yes, those are drones. We were doing studies,

46:34 Speaker 6: we were doing this. It's like, well, you just outright

46:37 Speaker 6: lied and said you had no clue what was going on,

46:40 Speaker 6: and you were shutting airports down because you acted like

46:43 Speaker 6: you had no clue. But then they come out and

46:45 Speaker 6: took ownership of it, so that's that's crazy.

46:50 Speaker 7: Yeah yeah, and and still some people aren't buying it,

46:55 Speaker 7: you know. So it really baffles me the disconnect between

47:01 Speaker 7: the authorities and you know, civilians, because you know, that's

47:08 Speaker 7: that's a rabbit hole in itself.

47:10 Speaker 6: But yeah, well it's kind of uh, it's you know,

47:15 Speaker 6: like with uh the elon the dough stuff where he's

47:19 Speaker 6: uncovering all this waist and scandal, which is cool, Hey, great, yeah,

47:23 Speaker 6: let's get rid of it. But if you're holding nobody

47:25 Speaker 6: accountable and nobody's being held accountable, and what's the point. Yeah,

47:30 Speaker 6: you're playing whack a mole. It's like we got you,

47:32 Speaker 6: and they're like, okay, but I didn't go to jail,

47:34 Speaker 6: so I'm going to do it over here.

47:35 Speaker 8: You know.

47:36 Speaker 6: So it's like it gives.

47:38 Speaker 7: You that mindset of okay, well, clearly I can get

47:41 Speaker 7: away with it.

47:42 Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly. And that's what I was saying earlier about

47:46 Speaker 6: d C the go ahead.

47:50 Speaker 1: No, it's saying, you know, it doesn't clearly doesn't matter.

47:53 Speaker 8: Just you know, it gets talked about and that's it.

47:57 Speaker 8: You know, like I no exactly comes of me. No

48:01 Speaker 8: example was yeah, but.

48:03 Speaker 6: You know, God forbid if you write a check that bounces,

48:08 Speaker 6: you could go to jail, you know, for seventy eight

48:10 Speaker 6: dollars at Walmart. But you know guys that were renting

48:13 Speaker 6: out football stadiums to throw these parties from millions of

48:17 Speaker 6: dollars or whatever. Some of the crazy stuff they uncovered,

48:20 Speaker 6: It's like, okay, we'll just stop it, but nobody's gonna

48:23 Speaker 6: be held accountable. You know, it's insane.

48:25 Speaker 7: It is a dangerous game. It is a dangerous game.

48:29 Speaker 7: And you know that kind of brings me to this

48:31 Speaker 7: question is if this event happened today, how would it

48:38 Speaker 7: play out differently?

48:39 Speaker 8: Do you think with social media the internet salutes and

48:43 Speaker 8: you know, viral content, do you think that it would.

48:46 Speaker 7: Be larger today or do you think that you know,

48:51 Speaker 7: people would see through it quicker.

48:53 Speaker 6: Well, it is going on, Like That's why I was

48:55 Speaker 6: saying it was really going on in twenty twenty two,

49:00 Speaker 6: I believe is in Oklahoma, the Senator Justin Humphries was

49:05 Speaker 6: doing exactly what the people in Weyburn. He was creating

49:09 Speaker 6: big foot hunting license there and it didn't be in tourism.

49:12 Speaker 6: They brought in like I think it was two million people,

49:15 Speaker 6: uh in Oklahoma over the reward for a bigfoot and

49:19 Speaker 6: I think it was twenty five thousand dollars they were offering.

49:23 Speaker 6: So that Yeah, when I heard that story, I'm like,

49:27 Speaker 6: this can't be the only one. So that brought me

49:29 Speaker 6: back to you know, what made me go down the

49:31 Speaker 6: rabbit hole to look for something like this is that

49:34 Speaker 6: that literally happened not even two three years ago. And

49:39 Speaker 6: I was on another podcast and the guy is from Oklahoma,

49:42 Speaker 6: and he said, yeah, they're still trying to get that going.

49:44 Speaker 6: It hasn't been passed into law because I mean, you

49:48 Speaker 6: got random tourists coming with them, start shooting up the woods,

49:52 Speaker 6: you know, at anything that moves. It's not a safe situation.

49:56 Speaker 6: So uh yeah, so it literally is going on. That's

50:01 Speaker 6: why I think this this is a very relevant documentary,

50:06 Speaker 6: not just a historical one about nineteen seventy eight. It's

50:09 Speaker 6: literally going on in Oklahoma right now. But I do

50:13 Speaker 6: want to think so to verify and to check all this,

50:18 Speaker 6: anybody listening, you can go to Wayburn, Virginia. It's spelled

50:22 Speaker 6: w E Y b U R in Wayburn, Virginia dot org.

50:27 Speaker 6: It's a historical site that has articles about everything, has

50:31 Speaker 6: pictures of the old holiday inn. They even have like

50:34 Speaker 6: a sciences of big Foot size rooms. So yeah, you

50:38 Speaker 6: can you can see the historical site on there and

50:43 Speaker 6: they may I got to give it to them. They

50:44 Speaker 6: actually made t shirts that are really funny, like it

50:47 Speaker 6: said one was a home of Bigfoot. Well sort of

50:51 Speaker 6: kind of maybe, so yeah, it's a but anyway Wayburn,

50:56 Speaker 6: Virginia dot org. I just want to thank them for

50:59 Speaker 6: helping me out with a lot of those.

51:01 Speaker 7: Wow. Ye that that I that that's that's pretty amazing.

51:07 Speaker 7: I didn't know, you know, I like when those you know,

51:10 Speaker 7: there's those things that the people can go look at

51:15 Speaker 7: and kind of like oh deep dive into it and

51:20 Speaker 7: really dissect it, especially if they liked the film. Uh

51:24 Speaker 7: you know, I'll put the link for that in the

51:26 Speaker 7: description below.

51:28 Speaker 8: That's well.

51:31 Speaker 6: Yeah. The uh the one thing too is the town

51:34 Speaker 6: is gone. This literally wiped the town off the map.

51:37 Speaker 6: They went bankrupt after because they were getting federal grants

51:41 Speaker 6: for land use projects because they were going to start

51:44 Speaker 6: building and get infrastructure stuff, and so when they found

51:46 Speaker 6: out it was all fraud, Uh, they had civil and

51:49 Speaker 6: federal cases coming in and they end up selling the

51:53 Speaker 6: town off piece by piece. And there's an Amazon warehouse

51:56 Speaker 6: where uh, where Lonnie's barn once stood, where all where

52:00 Speaker 6: it all took place, and coming up with the idea,

52:03 Speaker 6: let's bring Bigfoot to Wayburn. There's now an Amazon warehouse

52:06 Speaker 6: distribution warehouse there.

52:08 Speaker 4: Wow.

52:10 Speaker 8: That is That's that's crazy.

52:13 Speaker 7: So what do you what do you hope that you know,

52:16 Speaker 7: audiences will walk away thinking or feeling after watching U

52:20 Speaker 7: the town that cried Bigfoot?

52:22 Speaker 8: I know you got it a little bit.

52:25 Speaker 6: Yeah, just critical thinking, just not taking I'm really like,

52:29 Speaker 6: as we just talked about AI that that's what terrifies

52:32 Speaker 6: me the most, because it's getting better and better hourly,

52:36 Speaker 6: and you know, I mean, you could be watching an

52:39 Speaker 6: NFL game and going, is this real? You know what

52:43 Speaker 6: I mean, It's gonna look so real you won't be

52:45 Speaker 6: able to tell anything that you're It's not just news,

52:48 Speaker 6: it could be anything you're watching, you know. I Mean

52:53 Speaker 6: that's when when Bill Burr, the comedian was on Man

52:57 Speaker 6: the Mandalorian, I heard an interview. He said the first

53:00 Speaker 6: thing they did was take a three sixty body scan

53:02 Speaker 6: of him, not just for the merchandise. But in case

53:05 Speaker 6: they needed to do a reshoot, they didn't need to

53:07 Speaker 6: pay him to come back. They could just digally throw

53:10 Speaker 6: him back in the movie and have them say whatever

53:12 Speaker 6: they wanted, whenever they wanted. That's scary.

53:16 Speaker 8: That is scary. That and that you know they have

53:20 Speaker 8: the volume too. I don't know as a filmmaker if you've.

53:23 Speaker 7: Looked into the volume, sure, but yeah, I mean that's

53:27 Speaker 7: a pretty wild, wild technology. And you know because as

53:33 Speaker 7: a filmmaker myself, you know, putting someone in a green

53:37 Speaker 7: screen environment and you know, the actor has to visualize

53:43 Speaker 7: the scene and visualize, you know, even with all the

53:46 Speaker 7: props that you can give them, you know, merging a

53:50 Speaker 7: physical and.

53:53 Speaker 8: The effects scene.

53:55 Speaker 7: But the volume allows you to you know, place them

53:59 Speaker 7: into the world in real time. So uh, it's it's

54:04 Speaker 7: I mean, it's already alarming what what can be done

54:08 Speaker 7: and and.

54:10 Speaker 8: The you know, because people walk Uh there's a story that.

54:14 Speaker 7: I learned from the Marvel's chief editor or chief VFX artist, uh,

54:21 Speaker 7: Jeffrey Ford, where they walked into the volume and that

54:27 Speaker 7: what was being projected on the screen was uh some

54:30 Speaker 7: sort of fire of of uh you know, equipment and

54:36 Speaker 7: they someone thought it was real and ran over with

54:39 Speaker 7: a fire extinguisher. Uh, didn't realize it was fake until

54:43 Speaker 7: they got to the screen and people are yelling, you know,

54:47 Speaker 7: it's not.

54:48 Speaker 8: It's not real, Like it's not real. But someone thought

54:51 Speaker 8: it was real. Where they they went up went to

54:53 Speaker 8: put it out. Crazy.

54:57 Speaker 7: If this, if this weberd was to finally solve the mystery,

55:04 Speaker 7: what do you think that the truth would be?

55:09 Speaker 6: The mystery of h who killed Lester? Yeah, I mean Hutchins. Yeah,

55:18 Speaker 6: I mean, from my take on it, I believe Lester Clemens.

55:26 Speaker 6: I don't think he pulled the trigger, but I think

55:28 Speaker 6: he paid somebody to pull the trigger or could have

55:34 Speaker 6: been sheriff through it, you know. But yeah, my money's

55:39 Speaker 6: on Lester. Lester. Lester was a guy recording all all

55:41 Speaker 6: the conversations that you hear, the actual tape recordings that

55:44 Speaker 6: were leaked that caused everything for the wheels to come off. Yeah,

55:51 Speaker 6: he was a quiet dude. He was a guy behind

55:53 Speaker 6: the scenes. He's kind of like a Winston Churchill character.

55:56 Speaker 6: He was pulling a lot of strings without making any noise. So, yeah,

56:01 Speaker 6: there's more to Lester Clemens, and he's the one who

56:05 Speaker 6: ironically he left town and the last place he was

56:10 Speaker 6: on record to being he got a speeding ticket in

56:12 Speaker 6: Oklahoma in nineteen eighty one, and nobody's you know, I

56:18 Speaker 6: think in the movie it says, you know, if Lester

56:21 Speaker 6: was in fact alive today, he'd be I think ninety

56:23 Speaker 6: five or ninety six years old now. But it's interesting

56:28 Speaker 6: the last place he was seen was in Oklahoma, and

56:30 Speaker 6: now they're doing the exact same thing in Oklahoma with

56:34 Speaker 6: big Foot all over again.

56:38 Speaker 8: Wow.

56:38 Speaker 6: Yeah, it's the story that keeps on given.

56:43 Speaker 1: With that being said, I mean, do you believe that

56:46 Speaker 1: somewhere in this story there is a sliver of like

56:50 Speaker 1: a real mystery, and you know, can something more than

56:53 Speaker 1: oaks have actually happened?

56:56 Speaker 6: Well, there's another piece of evidence. I didn't tell you

57:01 Speaker 6: they actually Well there's one of the other deaths in

57:05 Speaker 6: the movie they believe was attributed to a big Foot

57:08 Speaker 6: And they have three eye witnesses and they have three

57:11 Speaker 6: eyewitness accounts of what they saw. But I can't, I

57:15 Speaker 6: can't give everything away.

57:16 Speaker 8: But yeah, you don't give everything away, please?

57:19 Speaker 7: Yeah.

57:19 Speaker 6: Yeah, there's a lot more. There's a lot in forty

57:21 Speaker 6: six minutes. There's a lot in forty six minutes. And

57:25 Speaker 6: like I said, the cool thing is, it's all archived

57:29 Speaker 6: news footage. There's no recreation. There's no guy sitting on

57:34 Speaker 6: a couch, you know the way I heard it, There's

57:36 Speaker 6: none of that. You're you're seeing what was being shown

57:40 Speaker 6: in real time and back in nineteen seventy eight.

57:43 Speaker 7: Wow, you know, bringing history back, bringing history back?

57:49 Speaker 8: Yeah, And what's okay? God continue?

57:53 Speaker 6: No? No, No, that's go ahead.

57:56 Speaker 8: So I mean, are you planning on any follow ups?

57:59 Speaker 8: Are you what?

58:01 Speaker 6: What?

58:01 Speaker 8: What's where do we go from here?

58:05 Speaker 6: Uh? That story? I mean I milked everything I could

58:08 Speaker 6: out of that one for what I could find. So

58:11 Speaker 6: there's there's no other answers. I mean, it's it is

58:14 Speaker 6: what it is.

58:15 Speaker 10: You know.

58:15 Speaker 6: It's kind of like with the JFK files. If they

58:18 Speaker 6: ever were to show what's really in those files that

58:22 Speaker 6: they keep redacting, they don't want to. They don't want

58:24 Speaker 6: to show anybody that the answers are there. But the answers.

58:29 Speaker 6: I I uncovered everything I possibly could for it. So

58:33 Speaker 6: it is it is what it is. There's no there's

58:35 Speaker 6: no part too. I wish there was. It was fun.

58:39 Speaker 6: It's a fun rabbit hole to go down. But yeah,

58:42 Speaker 6: it took three years to make this. This isn't something

58:45 Speaker 6: I made in a weekend. This is this is three

58:47 Speaker 6: years of digging and searching. Yeah.

58:52 Speaker 8: Wow, yeah, I mean I can attest to that. You know,

58:58 Speaker 8: I've been making so my first feature.

59:03 Speaker 7: It's mostly filmed, but it's been three or four years

59:08 Speaker 7: of like compiling interviews and stuff like that.

59:13 Speaker 8: So uh yeah, I mean it definitely does take a

59:16 Speaker 8: long time.

59:17 Speaker 7: And you know, I think it shows with the quality

59:21 Speaker 7: uh you know, just shown in the trailer, like the

59:23 Speaker 7: quality of of the of the production and so.

59:29 Speaker 6: Yeah, I would well, people ask me, what was it

59:32 Speaker 6: like making this? This is the perfect analogy, the best

59:35 Speaker 6: analogy I should say that I came up with. It

59:39 Speaker 6: would be like if building a jigsaw puzzle backwards, meaning

59:47 Speaker 6: you have you normally when you build a jigsaw puzzle,

59:50 Speaker 6: you have the box and you go, okay, well it's

59:52 Speaker 6: a horse, right, so let's start looking for the hoofs,

59:56 Speaker 6: get all the hoof pieces together. Well, this one, I

59:59 Speaker 6: really didn't know, oh what the full picture was going

1:00:02 Speaker 6: to be until it started to uncover itself. Because I

1:00:05 Speaker 6: was uncovering and finding and piecing all this together in

1:00:08 Speaker 6: real time. There was no, this is the story. That's

1:00:12 Speaker 6: what I ended up having to create was a middle,

1:00:15 Speaker 6: a beginning, a middle, and an end. You know. I

1:00:18 Speaker 6: started in the middle. Yeah, I started in the middle.

1:00:21 Speaker 6: It was like what's going on here? You know? And

1:00:23 Speaker 6: then I had to connect Oh, the sheriff is actually

1:00:26 Speaker 6: the cousin of Danny. That's why he you know, the

1:00:30 Speaker 6: mayor went to Leyburn to begin with because he trusted

1:00:33 Speaker 6: them and he knew because it didn't make sense to me,

1:00:35 Speaker 6: you know, I'm like, why would you go to a

1:00:36 Speaker 6: small town to climb a political ladder? You're not going

1:00:39 Speaker 6: to get anywhere. But he knew he could do a

1:00:42 Speaker 6: lot more stuff because he was cousins with the sheriff.

1:00:45 Speaker 6: So yeah, it was building a jigsaw puzzle backwards without

1:00:49 Speaker 6: having a picture on the box of what you were making.

1:00:52 Speaker 8: Got it right?

1:00:53 Speaker 7: Right?

1:00:54 Speaker 8: That makes so much That makes so much sense. So

1:00:58 Speaker 8: where can people? Where can people? I have the link

1:01:02 Speaker 8: in the description below, but where can people?

1:01:05 Speaker 6: Amazon? Yeah, support the film if you can rent, rent

1:01:11 Speaker 6: it on Amazon, you can buy it, you can download

1:01:13 Speaker 6: it the town of Wayburn, Virginia. They have a gift

1:01:17 Speaker 6: shop as well. Actually they're selling the movie on there

1:01:21 Speaker 6: as a digital download itself for nine to ninety nine

1:01:24 Speaker 6: or whatever. But I'm telling you, uh, Weyburn Virginia dot org.

1:01:29 Speaker 6: There's tons of stuff on there. See the movie on Amazon,

1:01:33 Speaker 6: but definitely, you know, pause the movie while you're watching it.

1:01:37 Speaker 6: You can you can verify what you're seeing. Just go

1:01:40 Speaker 6: to Wayburn, Virginia dot org. But the t shirts are hilarious.

1:01:45 Speaker 6: One was because they actually had in the movie. The

1:01:47 Speaker 6: mayor ran. He made a lot of money by running

1:01:49 Speaker 6: his Bigfoot chili cookoff. They had three thousand people show

1:01:54 Speaker 6: up for this in a weekend for this chili cookoff,

1:01:56 Speaker 6: And one of the T shirts on Wayburn Virginia says, yeah, yeah,

1:02:01 Speaker 6: we made up Bigfoot, but have you tried our chili?

1:02:04 Speaker 6: You know, they have some funny stuff on there that's

1:02:07 Speaker 6: so oh yeah, yeah, they totally lean into it. I

1:02:12 Speaker 6: think my favorite one was Wayburn, Virginia, We've been misleading

1:02:17 Speaker 6: tourists since nineteen seventy eight. That's my favorite one. So

1:02:23 Speaker 6: it's a I mean, they're not around anymore that there's

1:02:25 Speaker 6: nothing to go see in Weyburn, Virginia. The town is

1:02:28 Speaker 6: now it's an Amazon warehouse. But the T shirts made

1:02:32 Speaker 6: me laugh. They kind of they really leaned into what

1:02:34 Speaker 6: took place there.

1:02:36 Speaker 7: Yeah, and they also, you know, there's they can do.

1:02:41 Speaker 7: Whoever's running that, you know, can do what they want.

1:02:44 Speaker 8: You know, there's no sure, there's no talent to take

1:02:48 Speaker 8: retribution against.

1:02:49 Speaker 6: So yeah, they already made their money. Yeah, yeah, they did.

1:02:55 Speaker 8: So that's that's really awesome. And like I said, I'll

1:03:00 Speaker 8: include all the links in the description below. Guys, that

1:03:03 Speaker 8: was Mac. That was Mark Doest, director of the Town

1:03:08 Speaker 8: that Cried Bigfoot. A film that's equal parts mystery, morality, uh,

1:03:14 Speaker 8: you know, play and mirror.

1:03:16 Speaker 7: Be sure to check it out wherever you watch your documentaries,

1:03:19 Speaker 7: like we talked about on Amazon or on that website.

1:03:24 Speaker 7: And remember, sometimes the monster isn't hiding in the woods,

1:03:28 Speaker 7: it's hiding in us.

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1:03:45 Speaker 8: Mark.

1:03:46 Speaker 7: Well, thank you so much for joining the show today. Guys,

1:03:50 Speaker 7: Stay carryous until next time, Stay skeptical, stay watching the

1:03:55 Speaker 7: skies and apparently watching the neighbors. Because they might be

1:03:59 Speaker 7: pulling up a big foot hopes on you all right, guys,

1:04:02 Speaker 7: See you next time. M hm s