Director Ron James| Accidental Truth: Next "BEYOND UFO DISCLOSURE"

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1:33 Speaker 2: All right, everybody, welcome back to Total Disclosure. My name's

1:37 Speaker 2: Thai and I'm your host. Super excited to get this

1:41 Speaker 2: show underway. My friend Ron James here tonight. And for decades,

1:46 Speaker 2: the UFO mystery has lived in the shadows. It's been

1:49 Speaker 2: shaped by eyewitness accounts, government secrecy, linked documents, and a

1:54 Speaker 2: growing number of military and intelligence officials that have been

1:58 Speaker 2: willing to step forward. As the conversation has evolved, so

2:02 Speaker 2: to the questions that are being asked. Are we simply

2:05 Speaker 2: uncovering the truth about identified craft or are we beginning

2:10 Speaker 2: to expose something far bigger? Alleged crash retrieval programs, the

2:16 Speaker 2: role of private aerospace programs, the mystery of the abduction phenomena,

2:22 Speaker 2: and the possibility that answers may challenge everything that we

2:25 Speaker 2: think we know about our place in the universe. Joining

2:29 Speaker 2: me today is filmmaker, researcher and director of the new

2:33 Speaker 2: film Accidental Truth Next. Through the years of interviews with scientists,

2:38 Speaker 2: military personnel, intelligence officials, experiencers, and some of the most

2:42 Speaker 2: well respected voices in the field, Ron's explored not only

2:46 Speaker 2: the evidence, but the implications of disclosure itself. And we're

2:51 Speaker 2: going to go beyond the headlines tonight, beyond some of

2:53 Speaker 2: the speculative and speculation that the community loves to do,

2:58 Speaker 2: and we'll examine where his evidence is led him, what

3:01 Speaker 2: he still finds to be unknown, and the question that

3:04 Speaker 2: continues to find one of the greatest mysteries of all time.

3:07 Speaker 2: I'm Ty Roberts and this is total disclosure.

3:18 Speaker 3: Ron.

3:19 Speaker 2: Welcome back, Welcome back, second time on the show. You're

3:22 Speaker 2: one of my favorite people in the field. So it's

3:25 Speaker 2: been a while. How you been.

3:27 Speaker 3: Great, Thanks for having me on again.

3:29 Speaker 2: Of course, I think the last time we shared space

3:33 Speaker 2: was Contact in the Desert twenty twenty five. We shared

3:36 Speaker 2: a Yeah, we shared an interview room and at that

3:39 Speaker 2: time you're still filming for the film Accidental Truth. Next

3:44 Speaker 2: it was your follow up to your first film, Accidental Truth.

3:48 Speaker 2: So I guess I'll start off by asking that you've

3:52 Speaker 2: interviewed scientists, intelligence officials, military witnesses, experiencers, members of Congress.

3:59 Speaker 2: After nearly two decades immersed in this subject, what do

4:03 Speaker 2: you believe today that you didn't when maybe you've started

4:07 Speaker 2: some years ago.

4:09 Speaker 4: Well, when I first got into doing my own films,

4:12 Speaker 4: I wanted to cover all of the mysterious topics, you know,

4:15 Speaker 4: life after death, what is the true nature of reality?

4:19 Speaker 4: And of course the et question are we alone in

4:22 Speaker 4: the universe. What I didn't understand then is that these

4:26 Speaker 4: different topics are so profoundly interconnected that it's almost one topic.

4:32 Speaker 4: And that is that was the biggest surprise to me.

4:36 Speaker 4: And a lot of people are still caught in their

4:39 Speaker 4: little silos and their divisiveness about this topic doesn't have

4:43 Speaker 4: anything to do with that topic or this mechanism for

4:46 Speaker 4: making something happen doesn't have anything to do with the

4:48 Speaker 4: way this happens, and that thinking is obsolete at this point,

4:52 Speaker 4: that it's all connected.

4:53 Speaker 2: I agree. So obviously Accidental Truth was a huge, huge

5:00 Speaker 2: with people. I really love that film. It was so

5:05 Speaker 2: I think you took a lot of risks. I really

5:08 Speaker 2: I really enjoy when when people will do that. What

5:12 Speaker 2: were some of the how how how did the talks

5:14 Speaker 2: go to develop Accidental Truth next? And what was your

5:17 Speaker 2: goal in setting out on this adventure, the second adventure

5:22 Speaker 2: as a follow up to the original. What was going

5:24 Speaker 2: to be different?

5:26 Speaker 4: Well, you know, it was really going to be a

5:28 Speaker 4: continuation of the story about the political process in Washington,

5:31 Speaker 4: and I actually had written the script for the whole movie.

5:35 Speaker 4: I went up and I recorded it with Matthew Modane.

5:38 Speaker 4: But then I started to realize that the story unfolding

5:43 Speaker 4: in Washington, DC is literally a really bad dog and

5:46 Speaker 4: pony show, and it's only getting worse. And the film

5:50 Speaker 4: was delayed and delayed because I was always waiting for

5:53 Speaker 4: one more witness, one more big event in Congress, one

5:55 Speaker 4: more stunning revelation, and they just kept being disappointments. And

6:00 Speaker 4: that's why halfway through this film you literally see that

6:03 Speaker 4: scene with the broken record. I don't know how many

6:06 Speaker 4: people remember that you sound like a record, but it

6:08 Speaker 4: basically means, you know, saying the same thing over and

6:11 Speaker 4: over again. And it was at that point that I

6:14 Speaker 4: lost pretty much most of my faith in the political

6:17 Speaker 4: process of disclosure to ever tell us the whole truth.

6:21 Speaker 4: And what I'd intended all along was that I was

6:23 Speaker 4: going to take the film in a direction of looking

6:27 Speaker 4: at the the you know, what are the questions we

6:29 Speaker 4: need to be answering, and I needed a graceful way

6:33 Speaker 4: out of Washington, DC as a filmmaker. I didn't want

6:35 Speaker 4: to do it in such a way that the film

6:36 Speaker 4: would become obsolete but they furnished that to me just

6:40 Speaker 4: by doing what they're doing, which is just we're running

6:43 Speaker 4: around in circles. It's been almost ten years, Tyler since

6:47 Speaker 4: Lebondo popped on the stage, and we're not that much

6:50 Speaker 4: further along through this process. So I didn't want to

6:53 Speaker 4: make another Accidental Truth movie until I could move the

6:56 Speaker 4: ball and to me, you know that there's a formula

6:59 Speaker 4: to these to these films that I've kind of stumbled on.

7:02 Speaker 4: You know, first section will be a bit of a

7:04 Speaker 4: history lesson. In this case, we go through Washington, d C.

7:08 Speaker 4: Where people see things that they won't see anywhere else.

7:11 Speaker 4: I think I'm taking people inside the things that I

7:14 Speaker 4: went through working behind the scenes, and it's a fun

7:17 Speaker 4: story to watch. But then we go into you know,

7:21 Speaker 4: strange materials. It's just like we did in the first movie,

7:24 Speaker 4: only this time we've got three different cases that defy explanation.

7:29 Speaker 4: Literally one of them we can genuinely say came from

7:32 Speaker 4: a UFO and that's not the Benny Foggen case, but

7:35 Speaker 4: that's the Russian sample. We know that it's been in space,

7:39 Speaker 4: it has weird stuff growing on it. They can't identify

7:44 Speaker 4: the exact material and so yeah, it's real material from

7:47 Speaker 4: a UFO. Rather it's non human orgy or not, we

7:51 Speaker 4: don't know. But then the last part of the film

7:54 Speaker 4: is just like the last film, we go into a

7:56 Speaker 4: conversation about consciousness, but this time the ball and running

8:01 Speaker 4: with it all the way through simulation, theory, nature, reality,

8:05 Speaker 4: traditional spiritual teachings and the role of AI and where

8:10 Speaker 4: this is all going. And the theme of the whole

8:13 Speaker 4: last part of the film is we haven't even learned

8:17 Speaker 4: how to ask the right questions yet, and that's how

8:20 Speaker 4: immature we are in understanding this. So it's a roller

8:23 Speaker 4: coaster adventure.

8:24 Speaker 3: And I'm pretty proud of it. It's it's it's very

8:28 Speaker 3: close to the film I wanted to make.

8:31 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I love having the addition of Matthew Modine.

8:36 Speaker 2: And yeah, I think some of the just the inherent

8:41 Speaker 2: access that's I mean, Mouffon has been working. Mouffon's obviously

8:44 Speaker 2: one of the largest U is the largest database, is it?

8:48 Speaker 2: Is it the largest database of cases?

8:52 Speaker 3: Yeah? I think so.

8:53 Speaker 4: I mean there's other people who would say they have more,

8:55 Speaker 4: but most of them have more cases than us because

8:58 Speaker 4: they swept our database and.

8:59 Speaker 3: Have all stuff. But Enigma. Oh did I say this?

9:08 Speaker 2: I hate that app by the way, it's so I

9:10 Speaker 2: don't I don't understand it, and it's always getting like

9:12 Speaker 2: thrown in my face on like you know what people.

9:15 Speaker 3: Don't understand Tyler. Moufon is a nonprofit organization.

9:18 Speaker 4: We have built the largest database where the only organization

9:22 Speaker 4: that actually puts boots on the ground. If if somebody

9:24 Speaker 4: has a worthy UFO citing almost anywhere in the world,

9:28 Speaker 4: we could put somebody out there to investigate it. Nobody

9:31 Speaker 4: else is doing that. But all of a sudden, there's

9:33 Speaker 4: a lot of these groups trying to collect UFO reports.

9:36 Speaker 4: There are for profit businesses that you know, they have

9:39 Speaker 4: business plans and financial backing. And what's happening is that

9:43 Speaker 4: the database is getting diluted because people are reporting UFOs

9:47 Speaker 4: all these different places and it's causing us to not

9:51 Speaker 4: have a centralized database like we used to have. And

9:54 Speaker 4: Moufon is working with Congress. We do a lot of

9:57 Speaker 4: things behind the scenes. One of them is we're turning

9:59 Speaker 4: in quarterly reports to the House and Senate Intelligence committees.

10:04 Speaker 3: Then they have asked us to do.

10:05 Speaker 4: This, So I tell everybody, if you want to file

10:09 Speaker 4: a UFO report with another group. Go ahead, but please

10:13 Speaker 4: make sure you do one with move On too, because

10:15 Speaker 4: we're gathering the data and keeping it in a central place,

10:18 Speaker 4: and we're the actual people that do the investigations. We're

10:21 Speaker 4: not just collecting your stuff so we can find a

10:24 Speaker 4: way to monetize it.

10:25 Speaker 2: Yeah, most and most like, at least as far as

10:29 Speaker 2: I'm as far as I'm aware. Most like, if you

10:32 Speaker 2: report a case to say the police, they usually will

10:37 Speaker 2: refer you to move on. Typically most most often in

10:41 Speaker 2: the continental United States, you'll end up at being referred

10:44 Speaker 2: to move on some way, somehow. It is an established,

10:49 Speaker 2: an ingrained investigatory body and data collection organization, like you said,

10:56 Speaker 2: nonprofit speaking of I don't I don't want to. I

11:01 Speaker 2: didn't even realize this, but it just dawned on me.

11:04 Speaker 2: I mean, Dave McDonald did pass away, and he's in

11:08 Speaker 2: the film. How is Moufon handling that right now? And

11:12 Speaker 2: you know, is there any I don't know if this

11:14 Speaker 2: is like too soon, but are there any talks about

11:18 Speaker 2: where and who will take over and what's going on there?

11:23 Speaker 3: Yeah?

11:23 Speaker 4: You know, Mouffon is obviously is a fairly established nonprofit,

11:29 Speaker 4: did have a succession plan in place, and Debbie Zigglewier,

11:33 Speaker 4: longtime board member and state director. She's run some moufan

11:41 Speaker 4: dive team. She's been around for a long time, and

11:43 Speaker 4: she was being groomed and read in in the event

11:46 Speaker 4: that something like this happened, So she was ready and

11:49 Speaker 4: previously ordained to step in at least on a temporary basis.

11:53 Speaker 4: And from what I understand, we're all encouraging her to

11:55 Speaker 4: stay on because Debbie's just great and she's a perfect

12:00 Speaker 4: person to carry the torch. I meet Muffon's media relations director,

12:05 Speaker 4: so I have a certain role in the organization as

12:07 Speaker 4: well as my role with moof On TV, and so

12:12 Speaker 4: you know, I'm doing what I can to let people

12:14 Speaker 4: know what's happened in the Mouffon's Okay. Dave McDonald and

12:17 Speaker 4: I work together on an almost daily basis, and his

12:21 Speaker 4: loss was just tragic to me. It was unexpected. Didn't

12:24 Speaker 4: see it coming, and I really I couldn't imagine a

12:27 Speaker 4: moof On without Dave. Anytime you have leadership changes, there's

12:31 Speaker 4: going to be changes within the organization, and I'm sure

12:35 Speaker 4: that that will be the case. But right now, it's steady,

12:40 Speaker 4: it's stable. Debbie is starting to step into those shoes

12:44 Speaker 4: and she's doing a great job and we.

12:46 Speaker 3: All support it.

12:47 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm really sorry for your loss, brother. I mean

12:51 Speaker 2: I heard about that, and the last time I saw

12:53 Speaker 2: Dave was outside of the hearing that day.

12:59 Speaker 3: We did that.

12:59 Speaker 4: We did that press conference with Danny Shehan and Steve

13:02 Speaker 4: Bassett and me and and Bob Salas and yeah, Bob Salas, Yeah,

13:08 Speaker 4: that's in the movie.

13:09 Speaker 3: You know.

13:09 Speaker 4: It's it's pretty funny that we did that, and you know,

13:12 Speaker 4: Dave was able to to get up and talk about

13:15 Speaker 4: what Muffon's done. Tens of thousands of people saw that

13:18 Speaker 4: video and it was just real good to get it done.

13:21 Speaker 2: So, you know, and that's again, sorry, I really am

13:25 Speaker 2: sorry for your loss. That's uh. You know, the we've

13:28 Speaker 2: lost a few people this year.

13:29 Speaker 3: You know, Nick, Nick, we lost Nick Pope. And you

13:32 Speaker 3: know Nick is in my movie.

13:34 Speaker 2: Yeah I was. I watched you interview him.

13:37 Speaker 4: That's right, and you know, Tyler, he says some very

13:39 Speaker 4: very interesting things that you've never heard Nick Pope say

13:42 Speaker 4: in the film. And he was a very early influence

13:46 Speaker 4: to me, back before I even was a filmmaker. I

13:50 Speaker 4: used to watch the TV shows, you know, Cherry Gods

13:54 Speaker 4: was a huge influence. But Nick used to write a

13:56 Speaker 4: column for UFO magazine and he was still at Theish

14:00 Speaker 4: Ministry of Defense when he wrote that column, and there

14:02 Speaker 4: was a little pencil sketch of him up in the corner.

14:05 Speaker 3: I remember it like it was yesterday.

14:06 Speaker 4: And he used to write these columns where here's this

14:08 Speaker 4: guy from the government who's talking to the UFO community

14:12 Speaker 4: like we're not all crazy. And you know, it was

14:15 Speaker 4: him and Stanton Friedman, who was always a voice of reason.

14:18 Speaker 4: He's a scientist, a bonified nuclear physicist that is actually.

14:23 Speaker 3: Willing to take on this topic.

14:26 Speaker 4: Those two guys lent credibility to the field more than

14:29 Speaker 4: almost anybody else at the time. And so to get

14:33 Speaker 4: to actually eventually meet Nick and work with him, I

14:36 Speaker 4: interviewed him seven times I think over the years was

14:40 Speaker 4: a real honor and he's very sadly missed as well.

14:44 Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, he's such a that one I didn't

14:47 Speaker 2: see coming either. Well, of course, once he had kind

14:51 Speaker 2: of put it out there, that's when I think everyone

14:54 Speaker 2: was like, oh, and then I didn't think. I didn't

14:58 Speaker 2: think it'd be so quick after or he put that

15:01 Speaker 2: announcement out. But yeah, we lost some good, good ones

15:04 Speaker 2: this past year, so switching gears. If someone asked you

15:09 Speaker 2: right now with you know that you've spent the last

15:13 Speaker 2: couple of years in and out of d C again

15:16 Speaker 2: working with Moufon, back and forth between California, d C,

15:22 Speaker 2: doing everything, working with meta materials. If someone asks you today,

15:26 Speaker 2: how has disclosure already happened? How would you answer that?

15:33 Speaker 4: Well, it depends on how you define disclosure, you know,

15:36 Speaker 4: Steve Bassett says disclosure capital d Disclosure is when a

15:41 Speaker 4: head of state officially acknowledges that we have been interacting

15:46 Speaker 4: with non human intelligence. And maybe even the definition by

15:51 Speaker 4: Steve's standards has gotten more and more narrow. To me,

15:56 Speaker 4: disclosure is that the government and the private industry comes

16:01 Speaker 4: forward and tells us everything that they know about this topic.

16:04 Speaker 4: And to me, we're never ever going to get that

16:07 Speaker 4: from government in an official way. There's just too much

16:11 Speaker 4: that they can't take accountability for. Too many horrible things

16:14 Speaker 4: have been done, too many people are making profit from

16:17 Speaker 4: this stuff. The government early on made deals with private

16:21 Speaker 4: industry that hey, we're going to give you the stuff.

16:24 Speaker 4: We want to know how to weaponize it and what

16:25 Speaker 4: it is, and you know, if you're able to develop

16:27 Speaker 4: something from it, that's fine, but that opens up a.

16:30 Speaker 3: Whole legal can of worms.

16:32 Speaker 4: So but on the other side of it, Tyler, going

16:36 Speaker 4: all the way back to the back to the thirties

16:40 Speaker 4: and forties, when the modern era of the truth embargo began,

16:47 Speaker 4: people have been leaking information to us.

16:49 Speaker 3: They've been telling us what's going on.

16:51 Speaker 4: They'll mix it up with misinformation, and they'll dribble it

16:55 Speaker 4: out and they'll and it takes UFO investigators and people

16:58 Speaker 4: that really care to do their re search and read

17:00 Speaker 4: between the lines. But at the same time, they've been

17:03 Speaker 4: keeping the biggest secret known to mankind for the people

17:06 Speaker 4: that really really want to know what's going on.

17:08 Speaker 3: That information is out there.

17:10 Speaker 4: The problem is that you have to go through a

17:12 Speaker 4: lot of stuff that is not true and stuff that

17:16 Speaker 4: is irrelevant to really pull out the grains of truth.

17:19 Speaker 4: And then you have to see what resonates with you

17:21 Speaker 4: and you have to use your gut instinct to figure

17:23 Speaker 4: out what you're going to believe and what you're not

17:25 Speaker 4: going to believe.

17:26 Speaker 3: But we've had disclosure. What we need now is engagement,

17:29 Speaker 3: and we need to.

17:31 Speaker 4: Engage ourselves in a better way because the true answer

17:36 Speaker 4: to rising above the self destructive tendencies and being worthy

17:41 Speaker 4: of being part of a galactic civilization.

17:44 Speaker 3: Nobody's going to do.

17:44 Speaker 4: That for us. We have to do it for ourselves.

17:47 Speaker 4: And so that's where we're at now, is we need

17:50 Speaker 4: to understand the whole nature of our reality. We need

17:53 Speaker 4: to understand our true spiritual existence, and we need to

17:57 Speaker 4: understand that if we want to advance within this system,

18:01 Speaker 4: within this matrix as a civilization and not self destruct,

18:05 Speaker 4: then we've got to change the way we're doing things.

18:08 Speaker 3: Agreed.

18:09 Speaker 2: And if if if what you're saying is true, right,

18:12 Speaker 2: and Congress isn't actually in control, If if the government

18:16 Speaker 2: the way we see it isn't in control, what is

18:20 Speaker 2: your research led you to believe that? Who isn't? Who

18:23 Speaker 2: is controlling say the the the dam of Disclosure? Is

18:30 Speaker 2: it a private aerospace and you know company? Is it

18:33 Speaker 2: intelligence agencies? Is it a combination of the of the above.

18:39 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know.

18:41 Speaker 4: It amazes me how people are taking the current status

18:44 Speaker 4: quo hook line and sinker. When when I get in

18:47 Speaker 4: these these you know, podcasts, and I get in these

18:51 Speaker 4: conversations on Twitter, and there's all these people saying.

18:54 Speaker 3: Oh, the government's disclosing.

18:56 Speaker 4: It's like, no, they're not. It doesn't work that way.

18:59 Speaker 4: People need to understan and their history. So let's go

19:03 Speaker 4: over this from the beginning.

19:05 Speaker 3: Sometimes.

19:06 Speaker 4: Obviously, interaction with non human intelligence has been documented ever

19:10 Speaker 4: since human beings began to document anything. That every ancient religion,

19:16 Speaker 4: every spiritual teaching, all of it tells us the same thing,

19:20 Speaker 4: that there's non human intelligence interacting with us. It's been

19:23 Speaker 4: a part of our existence for as long as we've known.

19:28 Speaker 4: And so the fact that we're still struggling with rather

19:30 Speaker 4: these things are real or not is kind of you know,

19:32 Speaker 4: I don't even understand that sometimes. But after the religious

19:37 Speaker 4: institutions took that information and used it for whatever purposes

19:42 Speaker 4: over time.

19:42 Speaker 3: But in the thirties.

19:44 Speaker 4: Ish there began to be what I call the modern

19:48 Speaker 4: era of the UFO secrecy, and that was when it

19:52 Speaker 4: could have started with something like the Italian craft being

19:55 Speaker 4: discovered that the US got their hands on, and then

19:57 Speaker 4: of course whatever happened at Roswell and several other things

20:02 Speaker 4: that we know have occurred that were engagements with non

20:07 Speaker 4: human intelligence, and it was at that time that a

20:10 Speaker 4: group was convened. It could have been Majestic twelve. It

20:13 Speaker 4: could have been those very people, but it was at

20:16 Speaker 4: least a group similar to that whose job it was

20:20 Speaker 4: was to figure out what do we do with this information?

20:24 Speaker 4: And it was decided that that information was going to

20:27 Speaker 4: be kept from society, that it was going to be

20:30 Speaker 4: studied by private industry and deep black programs within government,

20:33 Speaker 4: and that the group that controlled this stuff was going

20:36 Speaker 4: to basically run with no accountability to anyone. And over

20:40 Speaker 4: the years, that whole situation is just run a muck.

20:44 Speaker 4: And we have the case right now where a lot

20:47 Speaker 4: of evidence has been lost over time. The people that

20:51 Speaker 4: sat at the top of this pyramid and had the

20:53 Speaker 4: true bird's eye view are long since gone. We may

20:57 Speaker 4: have very well lost the entire story of the to

21:00 Speaker 4: people dying and too attrition because the government's really good

21:04 Speaker 4: at destroying evidence when they don't want it to be found.

21:07 Speaker 4: But you know, as we move into the early attempts

21:13 Speaker 4: at disclosure, like in Accidental Truth one, we show how

21:16 Speaker 4: General Sanford came forward, don KEYO came forward saying the

21:20 Speaker 4: same things that they started saying in twenty seventeen. It's

21:23 Speaker 4: almost the exact same wording that there were craft in

21:28 Speaker 4: the sky that are not ours and have technology that's

21:31 Speaker 4: not ours. They did this once before, and the UFO

21:34 Speaker 4: topic was huge, giant back in the.

21:36 Speaker 3: Forties and fifties.

21:37 Speaker 4: Books were written, TV shows were made, documentaries were made,

21:41 Speaker 4: Chariots of the Gods was made. So all this happened before,

21:45 Speaker 4: and then everything kind of went quiet until luel Azando

21:49 Speaker 4: came forward in twenty seventeen. And this is the kind

21:53 Speaker 4: of the modern era of supposed disclosure. But you know,

21:57 Speaker 4: it's like that that song. It's like, look at the

21:59 Speaker 4: new book is the same as the old boss. The

22:03 Speaker 4: truth about this is controlled somewhat by different intelligence agencies,

22:08 Speaker 4: but really by black, dark organizations that answer to nobody.

22:13 Speaker 4: And these are the people who still have the access

22:19 Speaker 4: to business and industry and where most of the stuff

22:22 Speaker 4: has been sequestered away from Freedom of Information Act requests.

22:26 Speaker 4: So what we have here is the people calling the

22:30 Speaker 4: shots are people that we're never going to see on television.

22:35 Speaker 4: They are the ones that have been running the secrecy.

22:37 Speaker 4: They are the ones that have been profiting from the secrecy.

22:39 Speaker 4: They're the ones that have been taken out people that

22:41 Speaker 4: get too close. They're the ones that have done a

22:44 Speaker 4: lot of things that would be really problematic if they

22:47 Speaker 4: were brought to light. And so now what we're seeing

22:50 Speaker 4: is I believe it started with lew and to the

22:54 Speaker 4: Stars Academy and Chris Mellen and the three videos. It's

22:57 Speaker 4: carried on with guys like David Grush. It is the

23:00 Speaker 4: modern era of disclosure, or we're being fed a new

23:03 Speaker 4: narrative that is designed to get us used to the

23:06 Speaker 4: idea of non human intelligence, even extraterrestrials or whatever other

23:11 Speaker 4: things they may be, but do it in such a

23:14 Speaker 4: way that they can completely escape accountability and completely escape

23:18 Speaker 4: having to tell us the things that they've developed and

23:20 Speaker 4: the secrets that they're keeping. And so this is a

23:23 Speaker 4: very delicate dance and it's a tug of war. There's

23:25 Speaker 4: some that want to keep it completely secret forever. Why

23:29 Speaker 4: do we have to tell anybody anything? And there's others

23:31 Speaker 4: that are like, not only does humanity need to know,

23:35 Speaker 4: but we deserve to know. And so you're seeing this

23:38 Speaker 4: play out as Congress evolves their disclosure attempts, and we've

23:44 Speaker 4: seen the tug of war behind the scenes play out

23:45 Speaker 4: in the media.

23:47 Speaker 3: All these people that.

23:48 Speaker 4: They think are whistleblowers. When I hear whistleblower all the time.

23:51 Speaker 4: I'm like, come on, guys, let's look at this for

23:55 Speaker 4: a second. If what you're going to say has to

23:58 Speaker 4: be cleared by the Department before you say it, you

24:01 Speaker 4: are not a whistleblower. You are an instrument of the

24:04 Speaker 4: new narrative. And we are never ever going to get

24:08 Speaker 4: the entire truth from the government. Are they going to

24:10 Speaker 4: maybe acknowledge that there's extraterrestrials or that there's other types

24:14 Speaker 4: of non human intelligence. We may get there, but there's

24:17 Speaker 4: never going to be a time when they say, oh, yeah,

24:19 Speaker 4: we recovered this craft from Roswell, we may ship shifting

24:22 Speaker 4: memory retaining metal from that, and everything we said about

24:25 Speaker 4: that's a lie. And this is you know, Philip Corso's

24:27 Speaker 4: book is true that we're never going to get that,

24:30 Speaker 4: but we'll take what we can.

24:32 Speaker 2: Get exactly, And I I do agree to some I

24:38 Speaker 2: agree to some extent. I do think there is a

24:41 Speaker 2: bit of hope for some sort of maybe not again.

24:46 Speaker 2: I think you're absolutely spot on about the whistleblower thing.

24:50 Speaker 2: It really does. It seems that the community loves our

24:53 Speaker 2: little buzzwords, right, and we love to call people whistleblowers

24:56 Speaker 2: because it elevates the story, right, But you're what you

25:00 Speaker 2: said is the best. I couldn't have described it better.

25:04 Speaker 2: If what you're saying is DoD approved and it's gone

25:07 Speaker 2: through that Dobbs or process, you are not blowing the whistle.

25:11 Speaker 2: You are literally and physically getting what you're saying approved

25:20 Speaker 2: by the government prior to any publication in the media.

25:25 Speaker 2: That is not a whistleblower. That is. I mean, you

25:29 Speaker 2: said it pretty candidly. You're an instrument at that point,

25:33 Speaker 2: but you are I mean, I hate to say that,

25:37 Speaker 2: but if you can't tell us anything the government doesn't

25:40 Speaker 2: want us to know, then how it seems like we're

25:45 Speaker 2: being groomed to a degree, And disclosure is a word

25:51 Speaker 2: that they do want in the public lexicon, maybe extraterrestrial.

25:55 Speaker 2: Maybe they're like, Okay, it's gone on too long. We

25:59 Speaker 2: need to give little so we don't get it all

26:02 Speaker 2: taken from us at once. So play kate this, get

26:05 Speaker 2: it out there. Spielberg's film disclosure day, the timing of

26:10 Speaker 2: all the releases. If you find any of that to

26:13 Speaker 2: be random, then you're not seeing the chess pot.

26:18 Speaker 3: Yeah, you're not seeing the big picture.

26:20 Speaker 4: Look the Steven Spielberg movie We could touch on that

26:23 Speaker 4: for a second if you want, because I've got an

26:25 Speaker 4: interesting perspective.

26:26 Speaker 3: Please.

26:27 Speaker 4: A lot of people have been trashing this movie, and

26:31 Speaker 4: I wrote a column for the Wow Signal newsletter where

26:34 Speaker 4: I talked about this, and it was like, look, this

26:36 Speaker 4: is the guy that brought us aliens on bicycles, men

26:38 Speaker 4: building fake mountains in their living room. You're not going

26:42 Speaker 4: to get the answer to mankind's biggest mysteries from.

26:45 Speaker 3: A Hollywood film. But what is very cool.

26:49 Speaker 4: And what I think the community needs to give Steven

26:52 Speaker 4: Spielberg credit for, and whoever else you know, gave him

26:55 Speaker 4: the go ahead to do this.

26:59 Speaker 3: He hit all the beats.

27:01 Speaker 4: You know, It's almost like you took Okay, Let's take

27:03 Speaker 4: all the stuff from what the UFO community understands as

27:05 Speaker 4: the history of this. Let's take government programs that went

27:08 Speaker 4: into private industry. Let's take experiencers. Let's take very specific

27:13 Speaker 4: cases like Roswell Kecksburg reverse engineering programs and alien technology

27:19 Speaker 4: and times and dates and Jackie Gleason and Richard Nixon.

27:22 Speaker 4: Let's take all these pieces of the puzzle, Let's put

27:26 Speaker 4: them on a timeline, and then let's come up with

27:28 Speaker 4: a science fiction movie to weave around them, and that's

27:32 Speaker 4: what they did.

27:33 Speaker 3: And for the people that are like, oh, that was terrible.

27:35 Speaker 4: I didn't like the girl with the glowing eyes and

27:36 Speaker 4: that click track stuff. That was the movie part. It

27:40 Speaker 4: was wrapped around things that we largely know to be true. Yes,

27:45 Speaker 4: and so I think it was great. And anybody that expected,

27:50 Speaker 4: you know, a Hollywood movie to be some big revelation, No,

27:55 Speaker 4: it was.

27:55 Speaker 3: Never going to be that.

27:57 Speaker 4: Yeah, people like, look, I think you did a great

27:59 Speaker 4: job of honoring the that the mythos and the history

28:04 Speaker 4: of this. He did a great job of doing that,

28:06 Speaker 4: and it you know, it did help in a lot

28:10 Speaker 4: of ways.

28:12 Speaker 3: Yeah.

28:12 Speaker 2: Again, and it got it got I don't know about

28:14 Speaker 2: the screening you went to or whether it was public

28:17 Speaker 2: or not, but I mean I went to a Thursday

28:20 Speaker 2: pre screening of it and the theater was full. I

28:24 Speaker 2: mean you got to You got to give credit where

28:27 Speaker 2: credit is due. Spielberg can get asses and seats and

28:31 Speaker 2: disclosure again is it's I don't think it's a mistake

28:35 Speaker 2: that it's in the title. I don't think the the

28:38 Speaker 2: idea that mixing this real lore because inevitably what it does,

28:45 Speaker 2: even at it's a baseline is it gets people asking, oh,

28:48 Speaker 2: was that part true? Was that part true? And then

28:51 Speaker 2: they go start doing research and they they realize, oh shit,

28:54 Speaker 2: more of it was based on real world events than

28:58 Speaker 2: I actually thought. And then you know, you get regular

29:01 Speaker 2: general Joe Schmoe guys and Jane Smith looking into this,

29:06 Speaker 2: and I think that is a net positive at the

29:10 Speaker 2: at the least. And again it gets that word disclosure

29:13 Speaker 2: in the lexicon. I'm just worried that it's being put

29:17 Speaker 2: out there and it's like, what's that, what's that? What's

29:19 Speaker 2: the angle here? What's the angle by whoever's controlling the ship?

29:24 Speaker 2: What's what are they? What are they trying to get

29:26 Speaker 2: by us? And is it is it the material.

29:32 Speaker 4: As far as what they're still trying to conceal, yeah,

29:35 Speaker 4: or what they want us to know. This is going

29:38 Speaker 4: to continue to be and again, this is my opinion,

29:42 Speaker 4: this is going to continue to be the same kind.

29:44 Speaker 3: Of disclosure that we've gotten forever and ever.

29:46 Speaker 4: We have it the At the very same time, we

29:49 Speaker 4: have guys like David Grush saying, oh, we have crash retrieval,

29:53 Speaker 4: we have alien bodies, you know, we have all this stuff.

29:57 Speaker 4: We have him working for Eric Burlison in his congressional office.

30:01 Speaker 4: At the same time, Eric Burlison says things like, well,

30:04 Speaker 4: I'm from the show me state, and so far I

30:06 Speaker 4: haven't been shown anything that's definitive evidence. Well, dude, you

30:09 Speaker 4: got the guy with the keys of the kingdom working

30:12 Speaker 4: for you.

30:12 Speaker 3: Why is there this disconnect?

30:15 Speaker 4: And so the reason there's this disconnect is because there's

30:18 Speaker 4: supposed to be there's going to be the mythos that

30:22 Speaker 4: continues to get reinforced, and there's going to be the

30:25 Speaker 4: facts that they're willing to officially state. And those facts are, Hey,

30:31 Speaker 4: there's things in the sky.

30:31 Speaker 3: We don't know what they are. Let's all find out together.

30:34 Speaker 3: Reverse engineering. Nah, we didn't do any of that.

30:37 Speaker 4: Scout's honor, trust us, right. So it's just like it

30:42 Speaker 4: is this controlled narrative and the way it's working, you know, ultimately,

30:48 Speaker 4: it's probably if there are extraterrestrials or whatever these non

30:52 Speaker 4: human intelligences are, they could be many things and probably

30:56 Speaker 4: all of them interdimensional, interplanetary living here on the planet,

31:00 Speaker 4: remnants of past civilizations, time travelers, interdimensional travelers, types of

31:05 Speaker 4: life that we haven't even defined yet, like plasma beings.

31:09 Speaker 3: So all of that stuff is on the table.

31:11 Speaker 4: But for them to come forward and acknowledge that they've

31:17 Speaker 4: known it all along, but they've got to do it

31:19 Speaker 4: in such a way where it's like, oh, yeah, we're

31:22 Speaker 4: just now figuring this out with you, because that's their

31:25 Speaker 4: strategy for getting off the hook for you know, the

31:28 Speaker 4: biggest deception in human history and everything that came with it.

31:32 Speaker 2: Right, And I could not agree agree more with that sentiment.

31:36 Speaker 2: It's it's like, hey, we're discovering you know, we're discovering

31:40 Speaker 2: this right along. You guys. There's this is crazy and

31:44 Speaker 2: mind boggling to us just as much it is Zoo.

31:46 Speaker 2: And if we figure it out in twenty twenty seven,

31:49 Speaker 2: I'm just using the next year's date, not because I

31:52 Speaker 2: know I know, I know that date as other people's

31:56 Speaker 2: connotations on it, But we're finding out in twenty twenty seven,

31:59 Speaker 2: just with yous like that roswell shit, we have no

32:02 Speaker 2: idea what you're talking about, but like this, we just

32:06 Speaker 2: we just found it with you. Look, we're all surprised together.

32:10 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.

32:11 Speaker 4: And you know we have to we have to ask

32:13 Speaker 4: the question as to rather humans really have control over

32:17 Speaker 4: this this disbursement of information. It stands to reason that

32:21 Speaker 4: if there are advanced civilizations that have a hidden hand

32:26 Speaker 4: in our evolution, that they may very well be calling

32:29 Speaker 4: the shots as to what we're going to be told

32:31 Speaker 4: and when. And now we have the advent of AI.

32:34 Speaker 4: I have a feeling that you know, probably not in

32:36 Speaker 4: our lifetimes, maybe the uh, we're going to come to

32:40 Speaker 4: realize that AI is a predominant life form throughout the

32:43 Speaker 4: universe because every civilization, rather it originates biologically or not,

32:48 Speaker 4: if it reaches a certain level of technology, it is

32:51 Speaker 4: going to create an AI presence and for as old

32:55 Speaker 4: as the universe is, as Thomas Jane postulates in my film, the.

33:01 Speaker 3: AI could be everywhere.

33:03 Speaker 4: And it actually answers a lot of the questions about

33:07 Speaker 4: what some of these craft that we're seeing are. Gary

33:10 Speaker 4: Nolan told me an accidental truth one and he backs

33:13 Speaker 4: it up in accidental Truth next that you know, these

33:16 Speaker 4: are probably AI robots that are sent here to monitor

33:20 Speaker 4: and maintain the planet. There's all kinds of things that

33:24 Speaker 4: we didn't have on our radar screen before we had AI.

33:28 Speaker 4: And now we're building this gigantic infrastructure for what why

33:33 Speaker 4: are we doing that? You know, it's like we're literally

33:36 Speaker 4: building the infrastructure for a artificially intelligent sentient civilization to exist.

33:44 Speaker 3: Ye, and we're doing all the legwork.

33:47 Speaker 2: We're literally the worker ants right now building the cocoon.

33:52 Speaker 2: Maybe okay, I'm mixing species here.

33:54 Speaker 3: Sorry.

33:55 Speaker 2: We are the caterpillar that's spinning this digital cocoon for

34:00 Speaker 2: this artificial butterfly to emerge. And we don't know why

34:07 Speaker 2: we're doing it, why we can't stop why, And that's

34:12 Speaker 2: always interested me. Like you know, every other species on

34:16 Speaker 2: this planet fits into Like if earthworms disappeared tomorrow, Roun,

34:22 Speaker 2: that would be crippling to the Earth. If bees disappeared tomorrow,

34:28 Speaker 2: it would be crippling to life on this planet. If

34:32 Speaker 2: you know, all these things that are so intricate, they're

34:35 Speaker 2: all part of these ecosystems that are perfectly balanced. And

34:39 Speaker 2: then there's us, the humans who take way more than

34:43 Speaker 2: we give. We running the planet dry of its resources.

34:49 Speaker 2: You know, whether you believe in global warming or any

34:52 Speaker 2: of that, we are affecting our environment to the point

34:55 Speaker 2: where we are changing the Earth's landscape at least to

34:58 Speaker 2: some degree. Whether it's affecting the atmosphere and stuff. Of course,

35:02 Speaker 2: that's debated on both sides. Not my point, But we

35:07 Speaker 2: don't seem to fit. We stood up, right, they tell

35:10 Speaker 2: us evolution and all this, and and I'm not trying

35:13 Speaker 2: to fight evolution here, but we stood up and shed

35:17 Speaker 2: our fur, only to have back pain and need coats

35:20 Speaker 2: in the winter. We have tremendous back problems, right, and

35:26 Speaker 2: we get burned by the very sun that gives everything

35:30 Speaker 2: else life on this planet. And I just wonder, are

35:34 Speaker 2: we always? Are we from here? Specifically? I don't. I

35:38 Speaker 2: don't think so. We seem to be some sort of

35:42 Speaker 2: because if we disappeared, my point being, if we disappeared

35:46 Speaker 2: to overnight, the earth would flourish anything else, It cripples ecosystems.

35:53 Speaker 2: Us we don't seem to have a thing. We just create,

35:57 Speaker 2: and we create and we create, and we can't stop.

36:00 Speaker 2: And even when it's dangerous and we don't know the outcome,

36:03 Speaker 2: we still continue to push down boundaries and push down

36:06 Speaker 2: this door of creating the very thing that might be

36:10 Speaker 2: our own existential threat. And that's kind of scary to me.

36:18 Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, And you know it's interesting. I had a

36:22 Speaker 4: thing that I came up with a few years ago,

36:24 Speaker 4: and I call it some other purpose. And what I

36:27 Speaker 4: mean by that is that as you look at life,

36:31 Speaker 4: it has its existence, you know, like a bee, you'd

36:34 Speaker 4: mentioned a bee. Bees live in a hive and they

36:37 Speaker 4: go around and they get their nutrients from flowers, and

36:41 Speaker 4: they go and they live their lives and their bees.

36:44 Speaker 4: But what bees probably don't understand is that their pollination

36:48 Speaker 4: of this crop is serving a whole, completely other purpose

36:51 Speaker 4: that has nothing to do with what the bee is

36:54 Speaker 4: doing on an everyday basis or the reason he's doing it.

36:57 Speaker 4: And if you look at life, you will find that

37:01 Speaker 4: a lot of species have some other purpose. That they

37:06 Speaker 4: are living their lives as species, doing their thing, but

37:11 Speaker 4: they are actually affecting something else. It's like the cells

37:14 Speaker 4: in our body. The cells in our body are existing

37:17 Speaker 4: as cells, probably completely unaware that they are part of

37:22 Speaker 4: this bigger organism and this bigger mechanism that then facilitates

37:26 Speaker 4: the ability to have a being that can eat and

37:29 Speaker 4: breathe and drink and make movies and philosophies.

37:33 Speaker 3: So these cells are serving some other purpose.

37:35 Speaker 4: Now, what is humanity's other purpose or if there is one,

37:40 Speaker 4: And it's starting to look like our purpose might have

37:42 Speaker 4: been to come here when it was impractical to put

37:46 Speaker 4: robots on the planet because there was no way to

37:48 Speaker 4: power them and be the flesh and blood, organically sustainable

37:54 Speaker 4: beings that could dig the earth and make the wires

37:59 Speaker 4: and make the metals and do all the things it

38:00 Speaker 4: took to get the to get the planet to the

38:03 Speaker 4: point where an artificially intelligent civilization can turn it into

38:07 Speaker 4: a data node. And all that stuff sounds absolutely insane

38:11 Speaker 4: that it's really not.

38:14 Speaker 2: That's horrifying though, Like if if life was seen, like say,

38:19 Speaker 2: you know that the theory about how some some say

38:22 Speaker 2: life is seated here, right, like the panspermia idea, is

38:28 Speaker 2: that always a goal? Right? You send out a bunch

38:31 Speaker 2: of probes or nodes like you had said, and some

38:36 Speaker 2: of them are going to hit these Goldilocks planets and

38:40 Speaker 2: they're going to be able. They might take billions of years.

38:43 Speaker 2: But you know, through relativity and all that, it works

38:49 Speaker 2: a little bit differently, especially if you have technology that

38:51 Speaker 2: in traverse time. And I don't think that that's a

38:55 Speaker 2: crazy idea. So you know, well, it.

38:58 Speaker 4: Doesn't human spirituality, It doesn't negate that we have a

39:03 Speaker 4: that you know, we have our own proprietary purpose in existence.

39:08 Speaker 4: But the uh, we're doing this rather we want to

39:11 Speaker 4: or not this this this infrastructure that we're building, even

39:15 Speaker 4: if you don't want to buy into this whole premeditated

39:18 Speaker 4: AI exists in the universe thing. We are building a

39:20 Speaker 4: system of control that will absolutely have total and complete

39:23 Speaker 4: control over us, and in ways that we could never imagine.

39:28 Speaker 4: They're already doing it in China. You know that that

39:30 Speaker 4: they can absorb so much information from you, and then

39:33 Speaker 4: AI algorithms will start to try to influence what you're eating,

39:37 Speaker 4: if you're not eating healthy, how you're spending your money. Uh,

39:40 Speaker 4: you know, very subtle control mechanisms to get you to

39:43 Speaker 4: conform to society. And at some point we're going to

39:47 Speaker 4: be jacked into this technology and and you're going to

39:51 Speaker 4: be able to live your entire day. You could you

39:54 Speaker 4: could go out and commit a crime and the robots

39:56 Speaker 4: will come and take you. You will see the AI judge.

40:00 Speaker 4: You will be sentenced to go spend X number of

40:02 Speaker 4: times in the facility where you are tended to by robots,

40:06 Speaker 4: and you may never see another human throughout the entire process,

40:09 Speaker 4: and we will be so tightly controlled. At best, the

40:13 Speaker 4: best case scenario is this crazy tight control and and

40:17 Speaker 4: they're building this why are they building it? It's obvious

40:21 Speaker 4: what it's, what it's capable of, it's obvious where it's going.

40:25 Speaker 3: Why are we doing this?

40:26 Speaker 4: And then when you add the possibility that that may

40:30 Speaker 4: be the normal evolution of a biological species is to

40:34 Speaker 4: facilitate artificial intelligence within a simulated reality, it gets pretty crazy.

40:42 Speaker 4: But unfortunately science and circumstance are starting to paint this

40:47 Speaker 4: picture agreed.

40:49 Speaker 2: And like what really haunts me is is when you

40:52 Speaker 2: hear these guys like Sam Altman and like the creators

40:57 Speaker 2: of the Ais.

40:59 Speaker 4: When the pathology go Liar Sam Altman, I mean, you know,

41:02 Speaker 4: it's like we have these guys, these captains of industry

41:05 Speaker 4: that are doing this and they're not you know, it's debatable.

41:10 Speaker 4: I'm not going to denigrate anybody, but are Where is

41:12 Speaker 4: the moral character and the spiritual insight of these people?

41:17 Speaker 4: We got Peter Thiel, who is I mean, he's addicted

41:20 Speaker 4: to the armageddon every time, He's talking about the Antichrist

41:23 Speaker 4: all the time. Why why is he so interested? And

41:27 Speaker 4: then we have the religious aspects of all of this,

41:29 Speaker 4: where their belief systems completely fall apart if we don't

41:34 Speaker 4: destroy ourselves. And so we're in this we're in this

41:39 Speaker 4: this story that's gone absolutely mad, and we're so fascinated

41:42 Speaker 4: by our own self destruction that we're bringing it about.

41:46 Speaker 3: And you know, the mission.

41:47 Speaker 4: Once we get the planet to the point where everything

41:49 Speaker 4: can run off solar energy and nuclear power and the

41:53 Speaker 4: robots can take over, they don't.

41:54 Speaker 3: Need us anymore.

41:55 Speaker 4: We destroy ourselves as we're you know, as profits say

41:59 Speaker 4: we us.

42:00 Speaker 3: Then you know, hey, that's cool, not a problem. The

42:03 Speaker 3: AI is not going to care.

42:05 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that that that wow, what a great point.

42:08 Speaker 2: That is one of the most I don't know why

42:12 Speaker 2: if it's just the way you said it, but that

42:14 Speaker 2: was really digestible and it got and it painted such

42:18 Speaker 2: a good vivid picture in my mind where it's like, yes,

42:22 Speaker 2: like can anyone see the the the writing on the wall?

42:26 Speaker 2: When the guys creating AI are literally asked like, hey,

42:30 Speaker 2: uh so, what are the chances this like is our

42:32 Speaker 2: undoing and our our our end and they're like, oh,

42:36 Speaker 2: it's pretty it's actually pretty uh pretty good, Like it's

42:38 Speaker 2: it's the odds are pretty good that this might end

42:41 Speaker 2: civilization as we know it. And they're just like they'll

42:44 Speaker 2: just say it with a straight face, and then you know,

42:46 Speaker 2: Peter Seel who's got demonstrable involvement and in just killing,

42:57 Speaker 2: like the the mass killing of people with artificial intelligence,

43:04 Speaker 2: his contracts with the d D, and then he's he

43:07 Speaker 2: spends his spare time doing lectures about the anti Christ.

43:11 Speaker 4: Yeah, the architect of the the the architect of the

43:15 Speaker 4: surveillance society.

43:16 Speaker 3: And Jesse Michael's funding source.

43:20 Speaker 2: By the way, I'm so glad you said it, thank you.

43:27 Speaker 3: I like Jesse. He's doing some good work.

43:29 Speaker 4: But I have always wondered how he got access to

43:32 Speaker 4: people Like he got to Gary Nolan way back in

43:34 Speaker 4: the day.

43:35 Speaker 3: Anybody knew who he was, And.

43:36 Speaker 4: I'm like, how'd you do that overnight? And then when

43:39 Speaker 4: when you know, when I met him in Washington, d C.

43:41 Speaker 4: The dude interviewed Luel Azando and a bunch of other

43:44 Speaker 4: people he rented or somehow got access. He shot his

43:48 Speaker 4: interviews in the Masonic Temple. I mean, these guys aren't

43:51 Speaker 4: even trying to be discreet.

43:54 Speaker 2: So you know, when I met Jesse at that hearing,

43:57 Speaker 2: it's funny because like I don't know if you remember,

44:00 Speaker 2: but like we were all out there at like four am,

44:04 Speaker 2: five am, and it was this like really nice communal experience.

44:09 Speaker 2: It it felt like like the community, you know, instead

44:13 Speaker 2: of being a bunch of screen names online. You know,

44:16 Speaker 2: you were putting the handles to the faces. Everyone was talking,

44:20 Speaker 2: everyone is excited. And then about twenty minutes before the hearing,

44:26 Speaker 2: I remember Jesse shows up and people like obviously start

44:31 Speaker 2: flocking over to him, and you know, I let him

44:34 Speaker 2: make his way through, and I remember just saying to him, Hey,

44:38 Speaker 2: you know, I'm I really like you know, your show,

44:43 Speaker 2: you know a big you know, at that time, I

44:47 Speaker 2: wasn't really I was a little bit more naive to

44:51 Speaker 2: looking at like behind the curtain. So I just said like, hey,

44:55 Speaker 2: you know, fan of what you're doing. Loved because I

44:58 Speaker 2: really love his cinematography, the way he does his interviews,

45:01 Speaker 2: and uh, he was just so cold. There was nothing there.

45:06 Speaker 2: And I found that it stuck out because the whole

45:11 Speaker 2: day was so warm and people were embracing each other

45:14 Speaker 2: and we were all there for one common goal. And

45:16 Speaker 2: then he showed and I don't mean to say this,

45:19 Speaker 2: maybe you should having an off day, but he was

45:21 Speaker 2: just so disconnected from everybody. Shows up twenty minutes before

45:24 Speaker 2: the hearing, gets to interview all the people I have

45:28 Speaker 2: the same questions. You do I trust me, I really do.

45:31 Speaker 1: Yeah.

45:32 Speaker 3: Well, you know, I gotta tell you.

45:33 Speaker 4: You know, I've done seventy podcasts since the film, since

45:37 Speaker 4: we announced the film and released the trailer.

45:39 Speaker 3: But none of the.

45:40 Speaker 4: Big podcasters are are having me on, and I'm racking

45:44 Speaker 4: up millions of views, and it's almost like I'm being

45:47 Speaker 4: blocked the I don't even know what to say about it,

45:53 Speaker 4: even people that booked me, you know, like for instance, Okay,

45:57 Speaker 4: Ross Colthart, he's in the movie, and he booked me

46:01 Speaker 4: for a May nineteenth interview and canceled. And then when

46:04 Speaker 4: I asked him if he was going to at least

46:06 Speaker 4: acknowledge that the film existed, he won't even he won't

46:10 Speaker 4: do anything. He's completely embargoed it. And he's in the film,

46:16 Speaker 4: and you know, it's like that's happened through a bunch

46:19 Speaker 4: of the major places. I did this appearance on News

46:24 Speaker 4: Nation with Elizabeth Vargas, and Ross said, because I went

46:27 Speaker 4: on News Nation with another commentator, he wasn't going to

46:30 Speaker 4: have me on his show. And I'm like, you guys

46:32 Speaker 4: are on the same channel, why would that matter? And

46:35 Speaker 4: you know, I've helped this guy over the years. I

46:37 Speaker 4: helped him set up his show that he did in Sedona.

46:40 Speaker 4: I've done things for him. I've given him inside information,

46:44 Speaker 4: and for him to blow me off like that, it's

46:46 Speaker 4: just a complete insult and other things like the other

46:50 Speaker 4: big podcast. People that I know personally ghosted me when

46:54 Speaker 4: we put out this trailer.

46:56 Speaker 3: And I have a.

46:57 Speaker 4: Publicist that knows all the people and they know and

47:02 Speaker 4: it's it's it's just absolute insanity. And so I haven't

47:06 Speaker 4: gotten on any I didn't get on News Nation with

47:08 Speaker 4: the film, even though it was number.

47:10 Speaker 3: One on the Apple charts. I didn't.

47:13 Speaker 4: And there is and Jesse Michaels, you know, I've talked

47:18 Speaker 4: to him, hadn't had me on the show.

47:20 Speaker 3: Danny Jones, Julian Dory.

47:22 Speaker 4: These are all people that I know from the past

47:24 Speaker 4: that I thought, you know, when I come out with

47:26 Speaker 4: a new film, they'll be saying something about it. This

47:29 Speaker 4: film is being suppressed, and the reason it's being suppressed

47:32 Speaker 4: is because I am not one of the people who

47:34 Speaker 4: is willing to go out there and play this game

47:37 Speaker 4: that is being played from the the are are people

47:43 Speaker 4: that are agreeing to participate, And I'll tell you how

47:47 Speaker 4: you can tell Okay, please would they say, Hey, you know, uh,

47:53 Speaker 4: people are telling me secrets, people are giving me videos,

47:57 Speaker 4: people are telling me things, but I can't tell you.

48:00 Speaker 3: You have now become a part of the problem.

48:05 Speaker 4: Once you sit in a room and you let somebody

48:07 Speaker 4: say tell you information that you are not allowed to

48:10 Speaker 4: share with anybody else for anything but common sense reasons,

48:14 Speaker 4: you have become a victim of this narrative. You have

48:18 Speaker 4: become an instrument of it, and you are now a

48:20 Speaker 4: secret keeper instead of somebody who was reaching out to

48:23 Speaker 4: society to find out this information fair and square and

48:27 Speaker 4: give it to people who deserve to know.

48:30 Speaker 3: And if you look, you will see that there is.

48:32 Speaker 4: A pattern of this among all of the people that

48:34 Speaker 4: are getting a lot of exposure right now, every single

48:37 Speaker 4: one of them. They're all including people in Congress. I'll

48:42 Speaker 4: say this about that. When the whole situation with Congress

48:49 Speaker 4: began back in twenty seventeen, when lou came forward and

48:52 Speaker 4: Tim Burchett stepped up and said, we're going to get

48:55 Speaker 4: to the bottom of this, Dad gummt Tim, and we

48:59 Speaker 4: had these players, Marco Rubio, all these people saying yes,

49:03 Speaker 4: we're a hardcore for disclosure. Then something happened, Tyler, and

49:07 Speaker 4: this is what happened. Take Marco Rubio for example, he

49:12 Speaker 4: was gung ho for disclosure. He was front and center,

49:14 Speaker 4: he was all over it. We had those first hearings

49:17 Speaker 4: with the DD guys Maultrie and Bray where they denied everything.

49:21 Speaker 3: Then that hearing went into a private session, you know,

49:25 Speaker 3: a classified session. Yep, Marco Rubio walked out of that.

49:30 Speaker 4: He quit talking about it, and you know, so you

49:34 Speaker 4: have to say, well why because he was read into

49:37 Speaker 4: some stuff that made him decide that he wasn't going

49:39 Speaker 4: to fly that flag as high as he was flying

49:41 Speaker 4: it before. And then when Aged Disclosure came out, Marco

49:45 Speaker 4: Rubio's in there talking about all this stuff. But he

49:48 Speaker 4: did an interview with one of the TV networks where

49:52 Speaker 4: he literally threw the movie under the bus. He said, well, yeah,

49:56 Speaker 4: the eating things i'd been heard. You know, they had

49:58 Speaker 4: to edit it and get created to make it a movie.

50:01 Speaker 4: You know that they're trying to make money.

50:03 Speaker 3: And he threw the.

50:03 Speaker 4: Whole thing completely under the bus. And then we have

50:07 Speaker 4: what's happened to our people in Congress.

50:10 Speaker 3: In the very beginning, these guys were like, gung ho,

50:12 Speaker 3: we're here for the people. But Tyler, you know what happened.

50:17 Speaker 4: They got their security clearances. They had two years, five

50:20 Speaker 4: years to get cleared, so they could go into a

50:23 Speaker 4: skiff and hear some information. And what do they say, now, Well,

50:28 Speaker 4: if you know, if I told you what I've been told,

50:32 Speaker 4: it would freak out everybody.

50:34 Speaker 2: You know.

50:35 Speaker 4: Now they're walking around with the secrets. And I've sat

50:38 Speaker 4: in these rooms and I've had these opportunities. People say, look,

50:42 Speaker 4: I'm going to show you something, I'm going to tell

50:44 Speaker 4: you something, but you can't share this, And you know what,

50:47 Speaker 4: I tell them every single time.

50:49 Speaker 3: Fuck, That's why I'm on the outs. By the way,

50:51 Speaker 3: I'm like, look.

50:54 Speaker 4: That you're not going to let me put in my

50:55 Speaker 4: next film because I'm not going to carry the burden

50:58 Speaker 4: of your secret. I do not want to be one

51:01 Speaker 4: of those guys that cannot tell that, that has to

51:03 Speaker 4: carry that, because it's it's not an easy thing to

51:06 Speaker 4: deal with what you're told something that is so profound

51:09 Speaker 4: and so important and so amazing that it changes your

51:12 Speaker 4: whole perspective, but you're not allowed to share that.

51:16 Speaker 3: It changes your entire existence.

51:18 Speaker 4: And I told everybody I'm going to dig I'm going

51:21 Speaker 4: to investigate. I'm going to put this puzzle together without

51:26 Speaker 4: you having to tell me things that you don't want

51:28 Speaker 4: me to know, and then I'm going to deliver it

51:30 Speaker 4: to the public fair and square. And you know, that's

51:33 Speaker 4: what I've done with both my films, and it's earned

51:36 Speaker 4: me a very unique position of being shunned by the

51:40 Speaker 4: very people that should be supporting me.

51:42 Speaker 2: And that is a very telling thing, isn't it.

51:45 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's really amazing to me. I mean, people

51:48 Speaker 4: that I thought were my friends that have really big shows,

51:52 Speaker 4: that said, oh yeah, we're going to get you on

51:53 Speaker 4: as soon as you dropped the trailer, all of a

51:55 Speaker 4: sudden didn't even return calls. And you know, somebody is

51:59 Speaker 4: out there or you know, whispering in somebody's ear, keep

52:02 Speaker 4: this guy off, and my internet is all screwed up.

52:05 Speaker 3: I had to I literally had to go. Right now.

52:07 Speaker 4: We're doing three different internet providers because my internet works

52:11 Speaker 4: perfectly until I'm on a podcast. Then it starts cutting

52:14 Speaker 4: in and out screeching. It's insanity.

52:17 Speaker 3: And so yeah, yeah, it's.

52:20 Speaker 4: A you know, I don't want to be one of

52:21 Speaker 4: those paranoid guys going, oh they're after me, but you know,

52:25 Speaker 4: my whole bottom line is that this modern day disclosure

52:28 Speaker 4: from the government is really bullshit, and that they're never

52:32 Speaker 4: going to admit what they've done or tell us the

52:34 Speaker 4: whole truth, and that we have to start looking at

52:37 Speaker 4: a whole other element of physical reality in our existence

52:41 Speaker 4: to start figuring this out. That's a very unpopular position

52:44 Speaker 4: right now when they're trying to go.

52:46 Speaker 3: Oh, there's you know, we don't know what they are,

52:48 Speaker 3: but we'll find out together.

52:50 Speaker 4: It's going against the grain, and I'm paying a price

52:54 Speaker 4: for it, and I hope I don't pay too much

52:56 Speaker 4: of a price.

52:57 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I'll ask you those questions at the end,

53:02 Speaker 2: but let me I mean, just to be just to

53:05 Speaker 2: clear this up, do you think that some people that

53:09 Speaker 2: have been in loud voices in and around the UFO

53:13 Speaker 2: community have essentially sold sold themselves or inform not And

53:22 Speaker 2: I don't want this to sound like super crass, but

53:25 Speaker 2: like almost they've become part of the machine in order

53:31 Speaker 2: to get the information. And now there again, like you said,

53:36 Speaker 2: now they're almost working against us in a way.

53:41 Speaker 4: When you're the guy that has you know, no right

53:44 Speaker 4: to information. I mean, you know, I'm not going to

53:47 Speaker 4: mention names, but how dare anybody take videos that they

53:52 Speaker 4: may have been given by, you know, some insider. Those

53:56 Speaker 4: videos belong to the world, So why are you putting

53:59 Speaker 4: your name on them like you own them? You know,

54:01 Speaker 4: that's nonsense. And then to be told, well, you know again,

54:06 Speaker 4: telling me secrets now, but I can't tell them.

54:08 Speaker 3: I can't tell you those secrets. You know.

54:11 Speaker 4: Yeah, you're an instrument of this narrative. And what you've

54:14 Speaker 4: seen is that a lot of times these people are

54:17 Speaker 4: being given stuff that is complete bs that gets debunked later.

54:21 Speaker 4: And so you know, not only are you an instrument

54:23 Speaker 4: of this narrative, but where it makes sense, you become

54:26 Speaker 4: a useful idiot too. And there are plenty of people

54:29 Speaker 4: front and center right now that are willing to play

54:31 Speaker 4: that role because they're making money and they're getting famous

54:35 Speaker 4: and people, you know, it's like whatever, dude.

54:38 Speaker 2: And there are people, there are people in this community

54:44 Speaker 2: who pretend like there isn't money to be made anymore.

54:49 Speaker 2: There maybe that was true thirty forty years ago, it

54:53 Speaker 2: is not true anymore. And like one of j and

54:57 Speaker 2: I'm not going to say who was on the show,

55:00 Speaker 2: but I think we're talking about the same person. Ron

55:04 Speaker 2: where the title of the episode of Jesse Michael's show

55:07 Speaker 2: with this person was if you knew what I knew? Right,

55:13 Speaker 2: what the fuck are you talking about? You literally sound

55:17 Speaker 2: like a gatekeeper.

55:20 Speaker 4: Yeah, a fake gatekeeper, somebody who's inserted themselves into the

55:25 Speaker 4: narrative and half the time the information they dispersed turns

55:29 Speaker 4: out to be bogus, and it's just like what Yeah,

55:35 Speaker 4: and you know you hit on something, Tyler. Let's talk

55:38 Speaker 4: about the people that dedicated their lives to this field

55:41 Speaker 4: and died like poor like Roger Leure and Stanton Friedman.

55:46 Speaker 4: I don't know how poor Stanton died, but you know

55:47 Speaker 4: we're talking about guys that, Oh Leonard Stringfield. These guys

55:51 Speaker 4: are for this forty year gap between Project Blue Book

55:54 Speaker 4: and now even j Allen Heinig. There was never any

55:57 Speaker 4: money in the ufology field. People say sacrificed everything that

56:02 Speaker 4: you know, doctors that could have made more money being

56:04 Speaker 4: a doctor.

56:05 Speaker 3: You know, I get.

56:06 Speaker 4: Criticized, Oh, Ron James just made a movie and he's

56:08 Speaker 4: charging five bucks.

56:09 Speaker 3: To watch it.

56:09 Speaker 4: That believe me, there's a lot better ways I could

56:11 Speaker 4: be making money than this. And so we have a

56:16 Speaker 4: whole history of guys that dedicated their entire lives for

56:18 Speaker 4: nothing except to because they believed in the cause. But now, Tyler,

56:24 Speaker 4: there's money in UFOs, Hollywood's all over it, there's money

56:28 Speaker 4: in ratings. There's news guys that are doing every ruthless

56:32 Speaker 4: thing in the book to make sure they're the first

56:35 Speaker 4: ones with the story. And there's people that don't give

56:38 Speaker 4: a flying f about true disclosure and educating the public.

56:42 Speaker 4: They care about how much money can I make and

56:44 Speaker 4: how popular can I become, and how can I insert

56:48 Speaker 4: myself into this story so that you know, I can

56:50 Speaker 4: constantly say stupid things like, hey, uh, you know by

56:56 Speaker 4: sources in the intelligence community have told me some things

56:59 Speaker 4: that I can't tell you. You, well, then shut the

57:01 Speaker 4: f up.

57:02 Speaker 3: Okay.

57:04 Speaker 4: I have absolutely had it with it, And I'm being

57:06 Speaker 4: very candid on this podcast with you because you're my friend.

57:09 Speaker 4: But I'm also watching how certain things are unfolding and

57:12 Speaker 4: I'm literally in a state of shock, And to me,

57:15 Speaker 4: it's like, how terrible is it that the entire front

57:22 Speaker 4: facing people in this field at this point in time

57:26 Speaker 4: are being used in this way to conform with the

57:31 Speaker 4: story the way the people that have been keeping this

57:33 Speaker 4: secret for all these years want it to unfold, and

57:36 Speaker 4: it's like I'm one of the only guys. It's like, listen,

57:39 Speaker 4: quit the bs, bring on the catastrophic disclosure. I'm tired

57:43 Speaker 4: of give the controlled disclosure an opportunity.

57:46 Speaker 3: To roll out.

57:46 Speaker 4: You guys have about one hundred years. You've been lying

57:49 Speaker 4: to us this whole time. Steven Spielberg's movie Disclosure Day

57:54 Speaker 4: was about catastrophic disclosure. It's about a group of whistleblowers

57:58 Speaker 4: that got their hands on the evidence, got it out,

58:01 Speaker 4: and made it public in one big, client explosive drop.

58:05 Speaker 4: And I call for that every day, the thiscontrolled disclosure.

58:09 Speaker 4: You know, Danny Sheen talks about it a lot that

58:11 Speaker 4: we you know, we're got to acclimate society. We've got

58:15 Speaker 4: to do this. We've got to do that. We've had

58:17 Speaker 4: plenty of time to do that. This is not about

58:19 Speaker 4: that anymore. This is about we've got to figure out

58:22 Speaker 4: how we can You know, at the same time we're

58:24 Speaker 4: getting this dog and pony show in Washington, d C

58:27 Speaker 4: insiders are patenting, patenting technology. You know how put offs

58:33 Speaker 4: got patents, Gary Nolan's got patents. Tim Taylor, the mysterious

58:39 Speaker 4: NASA guy that that even Jesse sitting on a pile of.

58:43 Speaker 3: Patents, all of technology.

58:45 Speaker 4: Salvador Pias patented all kinds of stuff that that the

58:48 Speaker 4: patent office turned it down because it didn't exist, and

58:51 Speaker 4: the Navy went out and said, yeah, this stuff exists.

58:54 Speaker 4: The technology that would make a TikTok fly, there's a

58:57 Speaker 4: patent on that now. And you know, it's like these

59:00 Speaker 4: guys are playing the money game behind the scenes. They're

59:04 Speaker 4: gonna they'll reveal anti gravity when they figured out how

59:08 Speaker 4: to pout a patent it and own it, and it's.

59:11 Speaker 2: Just charged you.

59:13 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.

59:13 Speaker 4: It's just like JP Morgan used to say about electricity.

59:16 Speaker 4: He didn't back Tesla because he couldn't.

59:18 Speaker 2: Figure out a way to put a meter on.

59:20 Speaker 3: We got a CDC electricity boom.

59:24 Speaker 4: The whole thing is just absolutely turned into a money

59:29 Speaker 4: grab and a cooperative level of secrecy that everybody who

59:35 Speaker 4: agrees that they're not going to say anything about something

59:38 Speaker 4: that they've been told and then they get to go

59:41 Speaker 4: and maskid like they're a part of this. They're they're

59:46 Speaker 4: not helping move on. Kept our mouth shut about everything

59:52 Speaker 4: we did. In my new film, you see that I

59:55 Speaker 4: actually went into Congress's office and told them exactly what

1:00:01 Speaker 4: a UFO investigator would tell them, not oh hey, I

1:00:05 Speaker 4: worked in a classified program.

1:00:07 Speaker 3: I told them that what we would want them to know.

1:00:10 Speaker 4: And I filmed it so that I could prove that

1:00:12 Speaker 4: I briefed Congress on this stuff, and I did it

1:00:15 Speaker 4: to a bunch of different congress people.

1:00:17 Speaker 3: I filmed though with Tim Burchett. It's in the film.

1:00:19 Speaker 4: And then Mofon had meetings with over three hundred and

1:00:22 Speaker 4: fifty congressional meetings, congressional members and their staffs. And we

1:00:27 Speaker 4: weren't out tooting our horn. We weren't out saying, oh,

1:00:29 Speaker 4: you know, I've been meeting with all these people in

1:00:31 Speaker 4: Congress and I'm learning these things I can't talk about.

1:00:35 Speaker 3: We didn't milk it at all.

1:00:36 Speaker 4: We kept it under wraps because we were actually inside

1:00:40 Speaker 4: the process making a difference. We weren't inside the process

1:00:43 Speaker 4: pretending to make a difference so we could flag ourselves

1:00:46 Speaker 4: on television and insert ourselves into the narrative. And what

1:00:51 Speaker 4: we're seeing happen right now is, yes, this thing, this

1:00:56 Speaker 4: organized rollout of quasi disclosure, has been co opted all

1:01:01 Speaker 4: the way to the point of controlling the front facing people.

1:01:06 Speaker 2: You remember, I know you do. But do you remember

1:01:11 Speaker 2: the idea of Project Mockingbird and paying, or at least inserting,

1:01:20 Speaker 2: giving something to people in media in return for helping

1:01:25 Speaker 2: shape the narrative, whether it was even sometimes knowing or

1:01:29 Speaker 2: unknowing and unwitting, they were helping and they were controlling

1:01:35 Speaker 2: the media. It seems like not only are we getting

1:01:39 Speaker 2: Project blue Book two point zero, but we're also back

1:01:43 Speaker 2: to the Project Mockingbird style days where they're just they're

1:01:47 Speaker 2: using the same base tactics, just modernized to the twenty

1:01:52 Speaker 2: first century and the Internet age, where they're getting these

1:01:55 Speaker 2: podcasters who have giant audiences and some of them appear overnight,

1:02:03 Speaker 2: like I said, like you said earlier, with very very

1:02:06 Speaker 2: questionable financial backers, and you're not supposed to ask any questions.

1:02:14 Speaker 4: It's like, yeah, I mean, you know, I'm an investigator

1:02:19 Speaker 4: in this field. I'm not just some guy that makes videos.

1:02:21 Speaker 4: I have boots on the ground doing this stuff. And

1:02:25 Speaker 4: you know, the like for Aged Disclosure. Dan Farrah, I

1:02:29 Speaker 4: talked to him a long time ago, but while that

1:02:30 Speaker 4: movie was still in development, because we were having some

1:02:33 Speaker 4: negotiations we had to do over material I had with

1:02:36 Speaker 4: lou and I told him that there's no way you

1:02:39 Speaker 4: can make a true disclosure movie with these guys. They're

1:02:42 Speaker 4: only going to tell you so much and you're never

1:02:44 Speaker 4: going to get the whole story. And aged disclosure for

1:02:47 Speaker 4: what it did, and it's good and it helped, but

1:02:51 Speaker 4: it's not disclosure. And the only reason that he was

1:02:55 Speaker 4: able to make that movie is because he teamed up

1:02:57 Speaker 4: with Lou Alizondo and Lou made phone.

1:02:59 Speaker 3: Calls, got him access. There's not a person in that

1:03:02 Speaker 3: film I tried.

1:03:03 Speaker 4: I didn't try to get access to the interview and

1:03:05 Speaker 4: it was tough, and and you know, I've I've gotten

1:03:08 Speaker 4: a lot of people that I've there's a lot of

1:03:10 Speaker 4: people on my list that didn't sit for me. And

1:03:13 Speaker 4: when I see these guys Dan Farah, I understand how

1:03:16 Speaker 4: he was able to get that access, but I don't

1:03:18 Speaker 4: understand how some of these other people have been able

1:03:21 Speaker 4: to get access to some of these key players. Especially

1:03:24 Speaker 4: early on, there's you know, there's obviously something going on,

1:03:28 Speaker 4: and well.

1:03:28 Speaker 2: It's yeah, it's it's this network of people who self

1:03:34 Speaker 2: they self recommend, and they there's this echo chamber of

1:03:39 Speaker 2: like because you start to see the patterns are on

1:03:42 Speaker 2: right when one when they go on one show, they

1:03:46 Speaker 2: go on all of those five six, seven, you know,

1:03:50 Speaker 2: handful the same guests are cycled around them, and you

1:03:54 Speaker 2: can see that that it's this inner working of like

1:03:57 Speaker 2: turn and burn for each of them, and they're passing

1:04:01 Speaker 2: them off to each other, and then it's creating this

1:04:04 Speaker 2: almost like this media silo that's independent of its of

1:04:11 Speaker 2: what seems to be. It seems independent but an organic,

1:04:16 Speaker 2: but it's not. It's it's very very controlled and deliberate. Uh.

1:04:22 Speaker 2: And and again I think you've ultimately you've paid a

1:04:27 Speaker 2: price for standing on moral high ground and saying no,

1:04:31 Speaker 2: I'm not going to play this fucking game. We gave

1:04:34 Speaker 2: you a chance.

1:04:35 Speaker 3: I'm not.

1:04:36 Speaker 4: I never set about to do this to be famous.

1:04:39 Speaker 4: I never set about to do it to be on television.

1:04:43 Speaker 4: I you know, I owned a video production company and

1:04:47 Speaker 4: I still do. And whenever I made extra money, I

1:04:49 Speaker 4: would devote it towards making things that really made content

1:04:53 Speaker 4: that might matter to mankind, help to advance knowledge, you know,

1:04:57 Speaker 4: those kinds of things. And so you know, that's what

1:05:00 Speaker 4: I dedicated my time, my extra time and any extra

1:05:04 Speaker 4: money that I made. And it's still the way it operates.

1:05:06 Speaker 4: I make my money off of a lot of other

1:05:07 Speaker 4: things than new UFO movies. You know, it's it's not

1:05:11 Speaker 4: cheap to have Matthew Modin narrate your film now, and

1:05:15 Speaker 4: so it's.

1:05:16 Speaker 3: Never been about money to me.

1:05:17 Speaker 4: And that's why I've never been willing to be co

1:05:20 Speaker 4: opted into this system of play along, because I just

1:05:24 Speaker 4: don't think that I think that we need in order

1:05:28 Speaker 4: to really evolve and not allow this whole process of

1:05:32 Speaker 4: disclosure and what it means for humanity to evolve into

1:05:35 Speaker 4: something where we're just being controlled by the same psychopathic, sociopathic.

1:05:40 Speaker 3: People that are in power now.

1:05:42 Speaker 4: We really have to have the information, the truth at

1:05:45 Speaker 4: the disposal of regular people, because the ones that are

1:05:50 Speaker 4: that reach that power hierarchy, as Thomas Jane describes in

1:05:54 Speaker 4: the movie, once these people get to that point, we're

1:05:57 Speaker 4: dealing with people that don't really put value.

1:06:00 Speaker 3: On human life.

1:06:01 Speaker 4: We're dealing with people that don't believe that we're all

1:06:03 Speaker 4: created equal. We're dealing with people that will lie, cheat

1:06:06 Speaker 4: and still as long as there's gains to be had,

1:06:08 Speaker 4: and these are the last people we want running the planet.

1:06:12 Speaker 3: And the only way we're going to.

1:06:13 Speaker 4: Be able to shift that hierarchy is if we're all

1:06:16 Speaker 4: equipped with the same knowledge and the same understanding, and

1:06:20 Speaker 4: we can all be empowered to act on it on

1:06:22 Speaker 4: our own. And we're not a slave to energy and

1:06:25 Speaker 4: oil anymore, because there's technology that will let us power

1:06:28 Speaker 4: our house and drive our cars without having to write

1:06:31 Speaker 4: checks to people.

1:06:33 Speaker 3: The revolution that is.

1:06:34 Speaker 4: Going to save humanity from itself is predicated on us

1:06:42 Speaker 4: understanding everything that is known about human existence by everybody

1:06:47 Speaker 4: who knows it, and that is disclosure. Everything else is

1:06:52 Speaker 4: just games.

1:06:53 Speaker 2: Absolutely, Because honestly, I feel like this is less now

1:06:58 Speaker 2: about it's less now about if disclosure is proving UFOs exist.

1:07:05 Speaker 2: I think it's fair to say that the evidence is

1:07:08 Speaker 2: overwhelming in favor that there are things in the sky

1:07:14 Speaker 2: that we can't nor other governments on the planet can

1:07:21 Speaker 2: figure out what it is. Right, everyone thinks to see

1:07:24 Speaker 2: each other, you know, some of them have gotten to

1:07:27 Speaker 2: the point where they're like, well, if it's not us,

1:07:30 Speaker 2: it's got to be right. It's less about that, but

1:07:34 Speaker 2: it's more about determining who gets to control humanity's future.

1:07:39 Speaker 4: Yeah, and this stuff about you know, what is it

1:07:42 Speaker 4: in the sky. We've been beating around the bush with

1:07:45 Speaker 4: this for one hundred years literally with the same guardians

1:07:49 Speaker 4: of the information that is not. The answer to that

1:07:53 Speaker 4: question is not the end of the journey. It's the

1:07:55 Speaker 4: beginning of the journey, and they're dragging it out as

1:07:58 Speaker 4: long as they possibly can.

1:08:00 Speaker 2: Well because the there's and if you think about it

1:08:03 Speaker 2: like this, like like when we talk about these journalists

1:08:06 Speaker 2: and these people who seek to get fame from the topic,

1:08:11 Speaker 2: they only continue this rise if there's a mystery, like

1:08:16 Speaker 2: the same reason Zahi Hawas won't open the like or

1:08:20 Speaker 2: do any digging because there's more. He's actually smart. He

1:08:25 Speaker 2: knows that there's way more money in the mystery. There's

1:08:31 Speaker 2: way more tourism in the mystery. If he starts digging

1:08:35 Speaker 2: and discovering chambers that are empty or God forbid, do

1:08:39 Speaker 2: have like a uh an explanation to some degree, and

1:08:43 Speaker 2: that goes away, the mystery goes away, while every that

1:08:46 Speaker 2: that whole ecosystem evaporates and it's forced to change, and

1:08:51 Speaker 2: humans mostly don't like change. They don't like the idea

1:08:57 Speaker 2: of putting their life toile at risk. So I think

1:09:02 Speaker 2: that's kind of what we're seeing here, is these guys

1:09:05 Speaker 2: have way more of an investment in the mystery than

1:09:08 Speaker 2: the actual disclosure day.

1:09:13 Speaker 3: Of course.

1:09:13 Speaker 4: And you know that's the same thinking that brought us

1:09:16 Speaker 4: Oak Island and Skinwalker Ranch.

1:09:18 Speaker 3: Let's drag this out, you know.

1:09:20 Speaker 4: All they have to do to figure out what's in

1:09:22 Speaker 4: that mesa's Gidelon Musk's earth digging machine.

1:09:26 Speaker 3: And bore a couple of holes in it. Who gives

1:09:28 Speaker 3: a crap, Just get it done. Oh there might be

1:09:30 Speaker 3: sensitive archaeology in there.

1:09:32 Speaker 4: Well, you know what, at the rate you guys are

1:09:34 Speaker 4: going with your little pipes, give me a break, you know.

1:09:37 Speaker 4: And they know what's in that mesa. They've known about

1:09:40 Speaker 4: it for a long long time, and they know that

1:09:43 Speaker 4: it's non human technology that's in there. It's either a

1:09:45 Speaker 4: crash spaceship or an existing facility that still operates.

1:09:49 Speaker 3: And they're just dragging us through this stuff. It's like, oh,

1:09:52 Speaker 3: look there's an ORB. Come on, man, it's been how

1:09:54 Speaker 3: many seasons, Give me a break.

1:09:56 Speaker 5: I actually was backstage with Travis Baylor at an Alien

1:09:59 Speaker 5: ca and he actually said something very definitive about what's

1:10:04 Speaker 5: in the mesa, And when I called him on it

1:10:06 Speaker 5: a few years later, he's like, I never said that.

1:10:08 Speaker 3: We don't know what's in there.

1:10:09 Speaker 4: And I'm like, Okay, mister, I'm a star of a

1:10:12 Speaker 4: TV show, but I'm secretly running a tip on the

1:10:16 Speaker 4: ranch that was owned by Robert Bigelow.

1:10:18 Speaker 3: But we don't know nothing.

1:10:19 Speaker 4: Bigelow had it for how many years? How many times

1:10:22 Speaker 4: did they dig into that mesa? How many special forces

1:10:25 Speaker 4: guys and top secret government scientists were crawling all over

1:10:28 Speaker 4: Skinwalker Ranch before Brandon bought it and made it into

1:10:33 Speaker 4: a TV show.

1:10:34 Speaker 3: But they don't know nothing. And no, look, we got

1:10:36 Speaker 3: just a little piece of ceramic. It only took us

1:10:38 Speaker 3: six years to figure it out. What's this?

1:10:41 Speaker 4: I'm just like, would you guys please just chill with

1:10:44 Speaker 4: the bs that that show is such a part of

1:10:47 Speaker 4: this disclosure psy op that they're doing, you know, it's

1:10:51 Speaker 4: part of the whole thing. It's like, well, we don't

1:10:53 Speaker 4: know what's in there. Well, there's a lot of ways

1:10:55 Speaker 4: you can figure it out. Okay, blow up the damn mesa.

1:10:59 Speaker 4: Who gives a shit dative American artifacts in there? We

1:11:04 Speaker 4: have to be careful. Just get it over with already.

1:11:07 Speaker 2: It's fucking funny, man, Thank you. I needed that laugh.

1:11:10 Speaker 2: Oh God, So let's talk about the Betty Foggins material.

1:11:17 Speaker 2: Can you tell me? Can you tell me, because I

1:11:20 Speaker 2: actually wasn't super familiar with this case. I don't know

1:11:24 Speaker 2: why or how it slipped under my radar, but can

1:11:27 Speaker 2: you tell me the Benny Foggins case and talk to

1:11:29 Speaker 2: talk to us about this what and what you did?

1:11:33 Speaker 3: Yeah.

1:11:33 Speaker 4: So Lorie Wagner, who's another filmmaker good friend of mine,

1:11:37 Speaker 4: called me and she knew I was working on Accidental

1:11:39 Speaker 4: Truth next, and she says, you know, I got this guy,

1:11:41 Speaker 4: Benny Foggen. He's he's had these materials for a really

1:11:45 Speaker 4: long time. He's given them to different people, and it

1:11:48 Speaker 4: seems like nobody's given him a straight answer about what's

1:11:51 Speaker 4: going on. He's getting jerked around, and you might want

1:11:55 Speaker 4: to look into it. So I reached out to Benny

1:11:58 Speaker 4: Foggen and he told me his basic story. What I

1:12:03 Speaker 4: found out is, you know, this guy's a lifelong experiencer,

1:12:06 Speaker 4: and he says that this metal appeared after he saw

1:12:09 Speaker 4: flying saucer and it was still smoldering in the ground.

1:12:12 Speaker 3: And I thought that was interesting. There's cases that we're

1:12:15 Speaker 3: hearing about that happening.

1:12:17 Speaker 4: That these crafts somehow eject these weird alloys and they're

1:12:20 Speaker 4: just like big blobs of all kinds of different metals

1:12:23 Speaker 4: with no real explanation for what they are. But they're

1:12:26 Speaker 4: coming off these craft for whatever reason.

1:12:29 Speaker 2: Right, it's like slack of there's other ones like Jacques

1:12:32 Speaker 2: Delay had, right, Yeah, and.

1:12:34 Speaker 3: In fact Jockhlay has this stuff. But oh you know.

1:12:39 Speaker 4: So I was in Washington, DC, and I was talking

1:12:42 Speaker 4: to Benny and so I decided that I wanted to

1:12:45 Speaker 4: dig into this, and I told Curson Gillibrand, I was

1:12:47 Speaker 4: going to go get some samples of some material, and

1:12:51 Speaker 4: that I wanted it to be turned into ARROW. You know,

1:12:54 Speaker 4: our fantastic new UFO analysis group, the witness I Identification Program,

1:13:01 Speaker 4: Identification and Eradication.

1:13:06 Speaker 3: So I went to Ohio.

1:13:07 Speaker 4: In between the hearings, we had the hearing of Fluela

1:13:09 Speaker 4: is Ondo and then that following Friday. People didn't know this,

1:13:13 Speaker 4: but there was another hearing where Kris and Jillibrand was

1:13:16 Speaker 4: swearing in John Kozlowski, the new leader of ARO. So

1:13:19 Speaker 4: in between that, I rented a car and I did

1:13:21 Speaker 4: an all night drive to Ohio. I met Benny Foggin.

1:13:25 Speaker 4: We took the metal to a metal shop and we

1:13:28 Speaker 4: extracted samples. During the extraction of these samples, all kinds

1:13:31 Speaker 4: of weird stuff happened you'll see in the movie. I'm

1:13:36 Speaker 4: not trying to tell people that this material came from

1:13:38 Speaker 4: a flying saucer.

1:13:39 Speaker 3: I don't know where it came from. But the deeper

1:13:42 Speaker 3: story is that this guy first.

1:13:45 Speaker 4: Reported having this material to a group that had an

1:13:48 Speaker 4: ad in Ohio, because that's where Benny is where they

1:13:52 Speaker 4: are collecting information about UFOs, and this was being run

1:13:56 Speaker 4: by somebody named Bill Moore and another guy. It turns

1:14:00 Speaker 4: out that this group that he communicated to about his

1:14:03 Speaker 4: samples and gave it was the first ones they gave

1:14:05 Speaker 4: him to was running This was a public front for

1:14:09 Speaker 4: a secret study about UFOs being conducted by Betel Memorial Institute,

1:14:16 Speaker 4: which we all know is spooky government labs that is

1:14:19 Speaker 4: under contract with Right Patterson.

1:14:21 Speaker 3: We think Night and All originated there. So here's Bateel

1:14:24 Speaker 3: running classified ads in the paper, trying to get people

1:14:26 Speaker 3: to talk about UFOs and and masquerading behind a civilian

1:14:31 Speaker 3: UFO group. But it was really Bettel in the background,

1:14:34 Speaker 3: and they got a hold of this material. The guy

1:14:36 Speaker 3: played hell getting it back, and.

1:14:38 Speaker 4: They wouldn't tell him what they found. And this happened

1:14:41 Speaker 4: back in the like in the nineties. Fast forward, he

1:14:47 Speaker 4: had it, He had it tested by spent his own

1:14:50 Speaker 4: money to have it tested. Really strange anomalist results about

1:14:53 Speaker 4: the stuff. He says, he's seen it levitate, he's seen

1:14:56 Speaker 4: a shape shift, just weird, strange stories. We documented it

1:15:00 Speaker 4: doing weird stuff. So then Discovery Channel and Mike Bearra

1:15:05 Speaker 4: go and they do an episode with Benny Foggin about

1:15:08 Speaker 4: this material and they get it analyzed and the guy's like, yeah,

1:15:12 Speaker 4: disappears to have been manufactured, but we can't identify it.

1:15:15 Speaker 4: So that was very anomalous, and we show Mike Behra's

1:15:18 Speaker 4: take on the stuff in the film. Well, then Tom DeLong,

1:15:22 Speaker 4: Loue Elizondo, and Chris Bledsoe show up at this guy's

1:15:27 Speaker 4: house to take the material and it was all previously arranged.

1:15:31 Speaker 4: There was nothing nefarious about it. But Lou says he

1:15:34 Speaker 4: wouldn't say it on camera, but he told me and

1:15:36 Speaker 4: I have it in a text that when he drove

1:15:38 Speaker 4: that material from Ohio to deliver it to how put

1:15:42 Speaker 4: Off's lab, that he was followed by orbs and had

1:15:47 Speaker 4: all kinds of weird, strange stuff happen. So he gets

1:15:49 Speaker 4: the material to help put Off.

1:15:52 Speaker 3: All of a sudden dead end.

1:15:55 Speaker 4: Benny can't get a straight answer about where the material is,

1:15:58 Speaker 4: he can't get a straight answer about how it's being tested.

1:16:01 Speaker 4: He can't get a straight answer from anybody about anything.

1:16:04 Speaker 4: So Tom DeLong and to the Stars Academy tell Benny

1:16:08 Speaker 4: that the materials displaying weird characteristics and they want to

1:16:12 Speaker 4: hold onto it for a little bit longer and they're

1:16:14 Speaker 4: going to get it analyzed.

1:16:16 Speaker 3: Well, supposedly they.

1:16:18 Speaker 4: Turned it into the Army Materials Research Laboratory. Supposedly they

1:16:23 Speaker 4: how put off, gave it to Gary Nolan. Supposedly Jacques

1:16:26 Speaker 4: Valat got a hold of some of it and also

1:16:28 Speaker 4: gave it to Gary Nolan. So when I interview Gary Nolan,

1:16:32 Speaker 4: I bring some of it with me and I say, look,

1:16:35 Speaker 4: we got to talk about this Ohio medal. And he

1:16:38 Speaker 4: literally says, and it's in the movie, Benny Foggin says,

1:16:41 Speaker 4: every time you ask these guys about the test results

1:16:43 Speaker 4: in this medal, they all say the same thing.

1:16:45 Speaker 3: It's classifying.

1:16:47 Speaker 4: So I know Gary, I'm interviewing him right after I

1:16:51 Speaker 4: leave Washington, d C. I've got the material with me

1:16:54 Speaker 4: and so I'm like, look, I want to talk to

1:16:55 Speaker 4: you about this Ohio sample supposedly, you got it from

1:16:58 Speaker 4: Jock Vlay, you got it from help put Off, you

1:17:00 Speaker 4: got it from Tom DeLong.

1:17:02 Speaker 3: But what's going on with that? Why can't we get

1:17:04 Speaker 3: a straight answer about it?

1:17:06 Speaker 4: And he literally and I like, Gary, I'm not trying

1:17:09 Speaker 4: to give him any trouble, but he literally on camera

1:17:11 Speaker 4: and you see it in the film, goes, well, you know,

1:17:14 Speaker 4: I get a lot of samples.

1:17:17 Speaker 2: It might have got lost.

1:17:18 Speaker 4: I was not really sure, and I'm just looking at

1:17:21 Speaker 4: him like, dude, you would have to remember this. It's

1:17:24 Speaker 4: it's been routed to you from too many different sources.

1:17:27 Speaker 4: And he continues with this, I don't know, I'll have

1:17:30 Speaker 4: to look, and then I you know, there's a screenshot

1:17:34 Speaker 4: that I got with him on a Zoom call with

1:17:37 Speaker 4: Benny Foggin talking about the material that he doesn't remember.

1:17:42 Speaker 2: That was the biggest That was one of my favorite

1:17:45 Speaker 2: parts of the film is when you just dropped the

1:17:47 Speaker 2: little screenshot of him and he's he's just like looking

1:17:51 Speaker 2: and it's it was so perfect ron but what okay,

1:17:57 Speaker 2: So the question begs, he's getting this material and we're

1:18:03 Speaker 2: talking about Gary Nolan here. Unfortunately he's getting this material.

1:18:07 Speaker 2: It's not just like you know, no offense, but like

1:18:11 Speaker 2: you bringing it to him once right, it's getting it

1:18:16 Speaker 2: from Jacques Vallet, how put off and other sources that

1:18:20 Speaker 2: he knows that these people are to be taken seriously.

1:18:25 Speaker 2: There's no way he doesn't know. So when you presented

1:18:29 Speaker 2: him with that, I could see this like weird reaction

1:18:33 Speaker 2: from him. I don't think would Did you tell him

1:18:35 Speaker 2: in advance that you were going to be bringing this up.

1:18:38 Speaker 4: I told him I was going to be talking about it,

1:18:40 Speaker 4: but I didn't tell him I was bringing some of

1:18:42 Speaker 4: it just in case he'd forgotten where he put the

1:18:44 Speaker 4: rest of it.

1:18:46 Speaker 2: Did you give him another sample of it?

1:18:48 Speaker 3: Yeah?

1:18:48 Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a picture Tyler. It is so funny of

1:18:52 Speaker 4: me handing that sample to Gary. I think it's in

1:18:54 Speaker 4: the film and you should see to look on his

1:18:56 Speaker 4: face when his eyes fall on it's hilarious. So there's

1:18:59 Speaker 4: a guy retro dooms Day in here. I'm talking about.

1:19:02 Speaker 4: Give it to NASA alloy specialist. NASA tested it, Loue Elizondo.

1:19:06 Speaker 3: I have the text. It's in the movie.

1:19:08 Speaker 4: Lou texted me saying, ask him about the red metal

1:19:11 Speaker 4: that NASA tested. There was some red metal on the

1:19:15 Speaker 4: outside of the sample. It was that when it went

1:19:18 Speaker 4: to NASA that the sample got sent back, all the

1:19:20 Speaker 4: red metal was gone. And the story is that Tim

1:19:24 Speaker 4: Taylor was involved in all of that and that he

1:19:26 Speaker 4: got some kind of benefit from finding out what that

1:19:29 Speaker 4: red metal was. And we never saw it again, but

1:19:32 Speaker 4: NASA's had the material. And then I see this thing

1:19:35 Speaker 4: about nicole carbonite, tungsten, no.

1:19:39 Speaker 3: The memory alloys.

1:19:40 Speaker 4: Now this test is primary aluminum, primarily aluminum, with a

1:19:44 Speaker 4: bunch of other stuff in it that they can't really

1:19:47 Speaker 4: explain why it would be there, including the independent testing

1:19:51 Speaker 4: we had done said that there's elements of it that

1:19:53 Speaker 4: almost have a ceramic kind of quality to him, so

1:19:56 Speaker 4: it's weird stuff. But yeah, it was test by NASA.

1:20:00 Speaker 4: They returned that, they did not return the red metal.

1:20:05 Speaker 4: If you see in the movie, you'll see where this

1:20:07 Speaker 4: piece of random aluminum stopped an industrial drill press with

1:20:11 Speaker 4: a brand new car by drill bit dead in its tracks.

1:20:16 Speaker 4: It froze up the entire machine and then it wouldn't melt.

1:20:19 Speaker 4: It was it was aluminum, supposedly it wouldn't.

1:20:22 Speaker 3: It wouldn't melt.

1:20:23 Speaker 4: We fit it on a piece of steel and heated

1:20:25 Speaker 4: it up to where it was white hot and it

1:20:27 Speaker 4: just sat there. And then another time we were drilling

1:20:30 Speaker 4: another hole and.

1:20:31 Speaker 3: Had all this weird light coming off of it. So

1:20:33 Speaker 3: it's weird stuff. And yeah NASA. NASA did do a

1:20:37 Speaker 3: test on it. And what's cool is, Tyler, we have

1:20:39 Speaker 3: this stuff.

1:20:40 Speaker 4: Any bonafide lab, anybody that thinks that that can show

1:20:44 Speaker 4: us that they have the resources and the facilities to

1:20:46 Speaker 4: test this, we will send you some.

1:20:48 Speaker 2: I might have Have you heard of Falcon Space Labs?

1:20:55 Speaker 2: I think I have, Yeah, yeah, Mark Socle, they have.

1:21:01 Speaker 3: A didn't they have Hell's Metal?

1:21:03 Speaker 2: For a minute, I I think so? I think so?

1:21:07 Speaker 3: Yeah, I wonder but.

1:21:11 Speaker 2: That that that's the the meta material part of it,

1:21:14 Speaker 2: This this chain of custody that it's gone through. I mean,

1:21:19 Speaker 2: do you think by the way that part when it

1:21:22 Speaker 2: when it starts emitting that light, I know, I know refraction.

1:21:27 Speaker 2: That was not refraction.

1:21:29 Speaker 4: I have explanation for that. And I and we didn't

1:21:32 Speaker 4: see it. It was later on that do we didn't.

1:21:35 Speaker 2: See it in the real We didn't see it in

1:21:36 Speaker 2: real time?

1:21:37 Speaker 4: That no, I mean we we saw we didn't see

1:21:42 Speaker 4: what we cite what we see on the camera.

1:21:44 Speaker 2: Right maybe it was like white hot in real life,

1:21:46 Speaker 2: and then it was.

1:21:49 Speaker 4: It was weird because what was happening during that whole

1:21:51 Speaker 4: thing is that three cameras went down. I was photographing

1:21:56 Speaker 4: with my big Panasonic Professional four K battery operated. I

1:22:01 Speaker 4: was shooting with my Osmo Pocket three that you saw

1:22:03 Speaker 4: me with at the hearings, because this was right after

1:22:06 Speaker 4: the hearings, right yet.

1:22:08 Speaker 3: Battery evaporated on that.

1:22:10 Speaker 4: I literally had to finish the shoot with my cell

1:22:12 Speaker 4: phone and yeah, a ton of professional video gear. That

1:22:16 Speaker 4: particular shot was with the with the iPhone. And it's

1:22:21 Speaker 4: certainly not a uh, any kind of traditional photographic anomaly.

1:22:29 Speaker 2: It's just weird, not that I've seen, not not with

1:22:33 Speaker 2: those specific like the color variation and where it's taking place.

1:22:39 Speaker 2: And it was definitely in camera, like it's it's something

1:22:45 Speaker 2: in camera that's being self illuminated outward and it's not

1:22:50 Speaker 2: something that's refracting back.

1:22:54 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was just weird stuff.

1:22:56 Speaker 4: And you know, I can't say that it wasn't happening

1:23:00 Speaker 4: there because I wasn't paying attention. I was too busy

1:23:04 Speaker 4: trying to deal with.

1:23:05 Speaker 3: All this equipment failure. At the same time, they're drilling holes.

1:23:09 Speaker 3: And so do.

1:23:11 Speaker 4: I genuinely do not recollect if there were visual anomalies happening,

1:23:15 Speaker 4: because so many weird things were happening while we're trying

1:23:18 Speaker 4: to go through this process of extraction that I was

1:23:21 Speaker 4: just like in a state of frenzy, scrambling for a

1:23:25 Speaker 4: camera that worked at the same time we're drilling these

1:23:27 Speaker 4: holes and just crazy stuff. But three stories about materials

1:23:32 Speaker 4: in this film, and one of them genuinely came from

1:23:35 Speaker 4: a UFO, whether it's human or not.

1:23:38 Speaker 3: It came from something that's been in space and we

1:23:40 Speaker 3: don't know what it was.

1:23:42 Speaker 4: But I'm not trying to convince anybody that Benny's material

1:23:46 Speaker 4: came from a flying saucer. I'm not trying to convince anybody.

1:23:48 Speaker 2: You're just saying that.

1:23:50 Speaker 4: I'm just showing people that what happened. You know, the

1:23:52 Speaker 4: story with Benny Foggin, no matter where that material originated,

1:23:57 Speaker 4: the story of all the deception, all the all the

1:24:00 Speaker 4: beating around the bush, the fact that he can't get

1:24:02 Speaker 4: copies of test results of his own stuff, the fact

1:24:05 Speaker 4: that that Hal and Gary and all the people that

1:24:08 Speaker 4: we know that have had access to this metal seem

1:24:11 Speaker 4: to clam up when it's time to have the discussion

1:24:14 Speaker 4: about it.

1:24:14 Speaker 3: And it's in the movie. I'm not making it up.

1:24:17 Speaker 3: That's the story.

1:24:20 Speaker 2: Mm hmmm, mm hmm. And these people are double they're

1:24:25 Speaker 2: they're they're double dipping, or they're at least posing that

1:24:28 Speaker 2: they are part of this disclosure effort, and in term,

1:24:33 Speaker 2: what they really are are agents of this controlled disclosure

1:24:39 Speaker 2: or you know, they have one foot in the classified

1:24:42 Speaker 2: area and one foot in keeping the secret, and then

1:24:46 Speaker 2: they pretend to have one foot like, hey, we're all

1:24:48 Speaker 2: about disclosure and we're we're right there with you, guys

1:24:52 Speaker 2: where we want this just as much as you. And

1:24:55 Speaker 2: it's like, hell, do you I don't know, I don't

1:24:59 Speaker 2: I don't unders stand you. I don't understand your motivations.

1:25:04 Speaker 2: I don't trust them, and I that's an unpopular opinion.

1:25:08 Speaker 2: But he's always given me this vibe, this this unsettling

1:25:13 Speaker 2: feeling that he is not being uh transparent, and.

1:25:20 Speaker 3: Well, none of them are being transparent. They can't.

1:25:23 Speaker 4: And you know, the the whole reason that this crew

1:25:25 Speaker 4: hooked up with Robert Bigelow. You know, we had John Alexander,

1:25:28 Speaker 4: who is running the Theoretical Physics working Group, to group

1:25:32 Speaker 4: of guys I'll put off. All these guys were on

1:25:34 Speaker 4: it trying to figure out flying saucer stuff we expose

1:25:38 Speaker 4: out in the first Accidental Truth movie. Then they reached Bob.

1:25:42 Speaker 4: They meet Bob Bigelow, who has money.

1:25:44 Speaker 2: And money money.

1:25:45 Speaker 3: These guys all want funding, and so it was an interurt.

1:25:50 Speaker 3: It was a match made in heaven.

1:25:53 Speaker 2: And that Isn't it funny that anytime there's funding for

1:25:56 Speaker 2: something like this, you see the same group of characters

1:26:01 Speaker 2: all all there at every single time, every single turn,

1:26:06 Speaker 2: they're always the ones that are getting the funding through

1:26:09 Speaker 2: these groups. Whether it's TTSA, whether it's uh NIDS, they're

1:26:13 Speaker 2: always it's always the same people. And and I find

1:26:17 Speaker 2: that to be extremely telling in in in certain ways.

1:26:23 Speaker 2: And it's it's unfortunate. Uh one of the questions that

1:26:27 Speaker 2: everyone wants answered. If David Gresh is telling the truth,

1:26:32 Speaker 2: his truth, what do you think the implications are that

1:26:36 Speaker 2: people maybe haven't thought through completely.

1:26:41 Speaker 4: Well, you know, one thing, Tyler that's really shocked me

1:26:45 Speaker 4: is that since this conversation started happening, Louel Azando told

1:26:48 Speaker 4: me a long time ago that there were elements within

1:26:51 Speaker 4: the Pentagon that did not want him to move forward.

1:26:55 Speaker 3: With the ASSOP program.

1:26:56 Speaker 4: Uh, and we need to just assume that he was

1:26:59 Speaker 4: running an off the books, you know, UFO Investigative group.

1:27:03 Speaker 4: Somebody just asked me if I trust Lou, I trust

1:27:06 Speaker 4: Lou to do Lou's job. He's a lifelong intelligence guy.

1:27:10 Speaker 4: He's respectful of his chain of command, he's respectful of

1:27:14 Speaker 4: his oaths, and he's going to take orders and he's

1:27:16 Speaker 4: going to reveal what he's given permission to reveal. And

1:27:20 Speaker 4: he operates from a sense of honor and duty, even

1:27:23 Speaker 4: though we can all probably agree that we wish he

1:27:26 Speaker 4: would just spill the beans, but he's not going to

1:27:29 Speaker 4: do it. And it's not it's not in his pay

1:27:31 Speaker 4: grade to do it. He's a soldier doing a soldier's work.

1:27:35 Speaker 4: And so that's yeah, that's what I think about Lou.

1:27:38 Speaker 3: And I've told him that.

1:27:39 Speaker 2: He said it. I mean he said it. He said it.

1:27:42 Speaker 2: And then one of one of his not first appearances,

1:27:45 Speaker 2: but you know, when he's like, right when he first

1:27:48 Speaker 2: started doing the podcast circuit, specifically in the UFO topic,

1:27:52 Speaker 2: I remember him saying something and he said, I was

1:27:55 Speaker 2: asked to apply my skills to the UFO topic. Yeah,

1:28:00 Speaker 2: and what are his skills.

1:28:03 Speaker 3: Are information operations.

1:28:07 Speaker 4: He also was able to set up security protocols for

1:28:11 Speaker 4: different things. Look, you know, I I I respect Lou,

1:28:15 Speaker 4: and even though I've I've called him out a couple

1:28:18 Speaker 4: of times on podcasts, and even though I've said things about,

1:28:21 Speaker 4: you know, like, dude, you shouldn't be holding up fake

1:28:23 Speaker 4: UFO pictures in front of sitting members of Congress and

1:28:26 Speaker 4: I put that on my either way, poking a little

1:28:29 Speaker 4: fun at Lou. But you know, I could text him

1:28:32 Speaker 4: right now and he'd answer me. So you know, at

1:28:34 Speaker 4: the end of the day. Uh, I've been pretty upfront

1:28:38 Speaker 4: with him about what I think about who he is

1:28:40 Speaker 4: and what he's doing, and he's never denied it. And

1:28:42 Speaker 4: and I don't have an adversarial relationship with Lou Alzando.

1:28:46 Speaker 4: And I think that if people really understand his role

1:28:50 Speaker 4: and and you know, where he's where he's getting his orders,

1:28:55 Speaker 4: they would understand him a little bit better.

1:28:56 Speaker 3: Even though sometimes it's hard to.

1:28:58 Speaker 2: Watch right right because like like what you said with

1:29:03 Speaker 2: the with the picture in front of in front of

1:29:06 Speaker 2: the the you know that disclosure foundation thing, uh or

1:29:12 Speaker 2: kind of sub briefing right that that that does so

1:29:17 Speaker 2: much more harm by him him specifically. And this is

1:29:22 Speaker 2: what I mean is we elevate these certain people to

1:29:25 Speaker 2: this level in this community where they're like they're like

1:29:29 Speaker 2: the UFO gurus, and whether Elizanda wants to be one

1:29:34 Speaker 2: of those or not, people defend him like they're it's

1:29:37 Speaker 2: like their fantasy football team, right. So it causes this

1:29:42 Speaker 2: internal fighting to happen inside the community where now people

1:29:47 Speaker 2: are going, well, look, he's he's clearly bullshit artists because

1:29:52 Speaker 2: he's sharing fake photos. And then the other hals like, yeah,

1:29:55 Speaker 2: but you have to understand the situation he was given

1:29:57 Speaker 2: right before the hearing, it's like none of that really matters, right, Well.

1:30:01 Speaker 4: Here's what was going on behind the scenes there. Right

1:30:04 Speaker 4: before they had this event. There was a lot of

1:30:08 Speaker 4: what will happen is they'll put out a certain level

1:30:09 Speaker 4: of disclosure. They'll disclose certain facts that they're okay with.

1:30:14 Speaker 4: But then the UFO community and the investigators and the

1:30:16 Speaker 4: podcasters and everybody else they take that stuff and they

1:30:19 Speaker 4: run with it, and every once in a while they

1:30:21 Speaker 4: get ahead of their skis. The whole thing about crash retrievals,

1:30:26 Speaker 4: it was really coming into focus.

1:30:28 Speaker 3: We're getting ahead of our skis.

1:30:30 Speaker 4: We sit here at this at this event that Lou

1:30:32 Speaker 4: was at, and here's Eric Davis talking about four kinds

1:30:34 Speaker 4: of aliens as I.

1:30:36 Speaker 3: Wait a minute, hold on, we need to kneecap this thing.

1:30:40 Speaker 4: And so Lou is giving them a picture to hold up,

1:30:42 Speaker 4: and he essentially kneecapped the fact that Eric Davis was

1:30:45 Speaker 4: spilling the beans about extraterrestrial species.

1:30:48 Speaker 3: By turning the whole event into a farce.

1:30:50 Speaker 2: And you know, right, because now it can be discredited

1:30:54 Speaker 2: just by the one picture, so nothing else that is said,

1:30:58 Speaker 2: you know.

1:30:58 Speaker 3: So, matt and the room is talking about crash retrievals.

1:31:02 Speaker 4: So, Matthew, if you watch my first Accidental Truth movie,

1:31:05 Speaker 4: it's about crash retrievals. If the second Accidental Truth movie

1:31:09 Speaker 4: goes beyond crash retrievals. And I'm working with Michael Schratt

1:31:14 Speaker 4: right now, we're by the end of the year. I

1:31:17 Speaker 4: think it's going to be finished. It's a new doc

1:31:20 Speaker 4: about the work of Leonard Stringfield. It's called Stringfield Theory.

1:31:23 Speaker 4: The legacy UFO programs and we are giving dates, witnesses,

1:31:29 Speaker 4: witness eyewitness reports, the exact craft that crashed in, exactly

1:31:33 Speaker 4: what space they crashed in, where they were, what date

1:31:37 Speaker 4: it happened, what bases they were taken to, what military

1:31:40 Speaker 4: We have all this stuff that we've been digging up

1:31:43 Speaker 4: for years and years, and what we have is that

1:31:45 Speaker 4: is extremely unique, is we have the unredacted master list

1:31:50 Speaker 4: of Leonard Stringfield's witnesses.

1:31:52 Speaker 3: And some of these people were inside government.

1:31:56 Speaker 4: This has been the most sought after documentation in UFO history,

1:31:59 Speaker 4: and we've got it.

1:32:02 Speaker 3: We're not gonna.

1:32:03 Speaker 4: We're not gonna make a public because of legal reasons,

1:32:06 Speaker 4: but we are in negotiation right now to turn that

1:32:09 Speaker 4: list over to to one of the representatives that's leading

1:32:14 Speaker 4: the UFO movement. So it's going to be very interesting

1:32:18 Speaker 4: because this is the witness list. A few that are

1:32:20 Speaker 4: still alive are the people that you're going to want

1:32:23 Speaker 4: to call in and talk to you. Yes, we have

1:32:25 Speaker 4: literal firsthand witnesses. Guys that guarded flying saucers, we have

1:32:29 Speaker 4: their names, and you know, it's it's huge. So, yeah,

1:32:34 Speaker 4: we're going to be talking about crash retrievals there.

1:32:36 Speaker 3: Matt.

1:32:37 Speaker 2: Well, Yeah, one of one of the things you guys

1:32:40 Speaker 2: are able to do. We're both at this hearing. You

1:32:45 Speaker 2: were able to in a well you did it on purpose.

1:32:51 Speaker 2: I was, I almost said inadvertently, but you you helped

1:32:56 Speaker 2: Eric Burrows and ask a certain question that I think

1:33:01 Speaker 2: was one of one of the larger moments in the

1:33:03 Speaker 2: here the answer that was given. Can you explain how

1:33:07 Speaker 2: that happened? I mean, I know how it happened because

1:33:09 Speaker 2: I was there.

1:33:10 Speaker 4: But you know, if I were to tell this story

1:33:12 Speaker 4: without having the proof that it actually happened that I

1:33:15 Speaker 4: put in the film, nobody would ever believe it.

1:33:18 Speaker 3: But one of.

1:33:20 Speaker 4: My friends had been out and met Eric Burlison at

1:33:26 Speaker 4: a restaurant the night before the hearings, and the subject

1:33:29 Speaker 4: came up.

1:33:30 Speaker 3: And he asked the two.

1:33:33 Speaker 4: Ladies, one of them was Melinda Leslie if you know, well,

1:33:38 Speaker 4: he wasn't really up to speed on the topic then,

1:33:40 Speaker 4: or at least he was saying he wasn't, And he's like,

1:33:42 Speaker 4: what kind of questions should I ask?

1:33:44 Speaker 3: I got to do this thing tomorrow.

1:33:46 Speaker 4: And so while we're standing in line for the hearing,

1:33:51 Speaker 4: I'm with Melinda and this other lady.

1:33:54 Speaker 3: That doesn't want people to know who she is.

1:33:57 Speaker 4: She says, you know, one of the congressmen asked me

1:33:59 Speaker 4: to help him with some questions, and so we're standing

1:34:02 Speaker 4: in line at the hearing, and I wrote a question, and.

1:34:06 Speaker 3: Everybody wrote a question. We texted him to him uh and.

1:34:09 Speaker 4: He asked them, he asked, He asked these questions in

1:34:12 Speaker 4: real time from our text.

1:34:14 Speaker 3: But when we got to there was this little.

1:34:18 Speaker 4: Frenzy going on in the back where at Danny, she

1:34:20 Speaker 4: and Melinda Leslie and I and our other friend were.

1:34:23 Speaker 3: Like, what should we asked next? What should we asked next?

1:34:26 Speaker 4: And if you watch the first Accidental Truth movie, you

1:34:28 Speaker 4: know I've been trying to get to the bottom of

1:34:30 Speaker 4: this whole story about Big Low Aerospace receiving materials, and

1:34:34 Speaker 4: so we we texted Eric to ask We wanted him

1:34:39 Speaker 4: to ask Gold because we believed that the NASA guy,

1:34:41 Speaker 4: mister Gold was on that hearing is one of the

1:34:44 Speaker 4: ones that was responsible for suppressing that evidence from getting

1:34:47 Speaker 4: to Big Low Aerospace. But he ended up asking Lou

1:34:52 Speaker 4: about was it Lockheed Martin that had the materials that

1:34:55 Speaker 4: was supposed to go to Big Low Aerospace but it

1:34:58 Speaker 4: was blocked? And Lou who comes back and says, well,

1:35:01 Speaker 4: what I can say is that it was blocked.

1:35:03 Speaker 3: And that was a absolute.

1:35:06 Speaker 4: Mind boggling revelation because now we know, yeah, it was

1:35:11 Speaker 4: Lockheed Martin that had the materials and the intelligence community

1:35:16 Speaker 4: blocked Robert Bigelow from having it. I always believed that

1:35:19 Speaker 4: Robert Bigelow got the materials and was just not being

1:35:22 Speaker 4: truthful about it, but maybe not. So, you know, we

1:35:26 Speaker 4: finally got to the bottom of it by actually hacking

1:35:28 Speaker 4: the hearings. We're in the back of the room texting

1:35:30 Speaker 4: questions that are being asked in real time, and the

1:35:32 Speaker 4: only place you're going to see that story is in

1:35:34 Speaker 4: my film.

1:35:36 Speaker 3: But then afterwards I told Gary.

1:35:38 Speaker 4: Nolan about it that, you know, I felt like we

1:35:43 Speaker 4: finally got to the bottom of it. And Gary says,

1:35:45 Speaker 4: and again, it's right there in the movie. He says, yeah,

1:35:49 Speaker 4: I was a part of the team that was supposed

1:35:52 Speaker 4: to receive that stuff. And Gary Nolan knows where.

1:35:55 Speaker 3: It was, he knows what it was. And so, you know,

1:36:00 Speaker 3: huge revelation, and that's.

1:36:03 Speaker 2: In the movie, right, That's right, that's right. So, and

1:36:07 Speaker 2: we know that Bigelow had been retrofitting his facility to

1:36:11 Speaker 2: obtain this material or this this this thing.

1:36:15 Speaker 4: I never believed him when he said he didn't get it,

1:36:18 Speaker 4: but apparently it's you know, maybe he didn't get it.

1:36:22 Speaker 2: Well, isn't I mean, that's a big truth right there.

1:36:28 Speaker 2: I mean, for the for the first time, we have definitive,

1:36:33 Speaker 2: multiple source evidence on multiple fronts, on the receiving side,

1:36:39 Speaker 2: the the knowledge of the transfer, the the opposite team,

1:36:46 Speaker 2: we have all these other all these people saying that

1:36:48 Speaker 2: this happened and that the c I A. Uh, I'm sorry.

1:36:54 Speaker 3: At least we believe it was a c I A,

1:36:56 Speaker 3: but we don't know for sure.

1:36:58 Speaker 4: But Jim, there's all this information in my film that

1:37:05 Speaker 4: is that nobody's ever had before, the inside story of

1:37:09 Speaker 4: how David Grush came out, and and I, you know,

1:37:12 Speaker 4: I don't understand why it's being suppressed to the level.

1:37:14 Speaker 4: I don't understand why the uh, this big podcast community

1:37:18 Speaker 4: isn't like Yo tipping their hat because this is probably

1:37:22 Speaker 4: the most important UFO documentary.

1:37:24 Speaker 3: Of the year.

1:37:26 Speaker 2: That's those are That's a big word. That's big, big talk.

1:37:29 Speaker 2: I like that. I I I I. I think you

1:37:37 Speaker 2: have some great stuff in there, and I think it's

1:37:40 Speaker 2: probably because you're not willing to toe the like I said,

1:37:45 Speaker 2: the company line that you've because didn't. If I'm mistaken,

1:37:51 Speaker 2: you've done like Julian, before you were on stories podcasts.

1:37:55 Speaker 3: You were I was on Julian's podcast. I was one

1:37:57 Speaker 3: of his. It was over a moment that was great,

1:38:00 Speaker 3: the biggest, biggest views.

1:38:01 Speaker 4: Yeah, and he and he says, oh, I'm not doing

1:38:04 Speaker 4: stuff with UFOs right now, and I'm like, dude, you.

1:38:06 Speaker 2: Just did like bullshit, come on, come on.

1:38:11 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's pretty ridiculous. And you know, considering some

1:38:18 Speaker 4: of the things that I've been saying and the fact

1:38:20 Speaker 4: that I'm pretty much correct about almost everything, you know,

1:38:24 Speaker 4: the fact that some of these guys are you know,

1:38:30 Speaker 4: not participating and having me on their shows is kind

1:38:34 Speaker 4: of cracking me up. And you know what's really sad, Tyler,

1:38:37 Speaker 4: is that what I've found is that all these guys

1:38:40 Speaker 4: got got screeners of the film, and little bits and

1:38:44 Speaker 4: pieces of my content are finding their way into their programming.

1:38:47 Speaker 4: So apparently I'm probably more useful as a research subject

1:38:52 Speaker 4: that I am as a guest.

1:38:54 Speaker 3: And you know, why would they.

1:38:55 Speaker 4: Want to promote my film when I'm the first guy

1:38:57 Speaker 4: on the block to have this information ready for the

1:39:00 Speaker 4: public and when they would prefer it be them, So.

1:39:03 Speaker 2: They then they yeah, then they can take it and

1:39:06 Speaker 2: then they can incorporate it into some project that they're doing.

1:39:10 Speaker 2: And say, hey, look breaking news.

1:39:12 Speaker 4: Look what we did, right, Yeah, you know, the whole consciousness, nature, reality,

1:39:18 Speaker 4: artificial intelligence. This is all taking this information and taking

1:39:22 Speaker 4: it to the complete next level. I mean, we're ahead

1:39:24 Speaker 4: of our time. Most of my films are ahead of

1:39:27 Speaker 4: their time. This one is really ahead of its time.

1:39:29 Speaker 4: But what you're going to see is the elements of

1:39:32 Speaker 4: stuff that I incorporated into this film and tied together

1:39:36 Speaker 4: are going to start becoming parts of these other people's

1:39:39 Speaker 4: podcast who never even had the courtesy to mention my film.

1:39:42 Speaker 3: And you're going to see this unfold over the next

1:39:44 Speaker 3: three months.

1:39:46 Speaker 2: What a shame, man, What a shame, David, Don't get

1:39:52 Speaker 2: me wrong.

1:39:52 Speaker 4: You know, despite the best efforts to suppress this film,

1:39:55 Speaker 4: it's still made number one on the Apple Documentary charts,

1:39:58 Speaker 4: and it's been going very strong ever since it came out.

1:40:01 Speaker 4: So it's not like it's a failure. It's doing quite well.

1:40:04 Speaker 4: But it could be doing well.

1:40:04 Speaker 1: Well.

1:40:05 Speaker 3: You know what, I really know.

1:40:06 Speaker 1: What you did.

1:40:07 Speaker 3: You're seeing it?

1:40:09 Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell everyone that I you know again, everyone

1:40:13 Speaker 2: should get out there watch Accidental Truth next. What's the tagline?

1:40:18 Speaker 2: Is it UFO Revelations?

1:40:20 Speaker 4: It's no, that was the first one, there's two Accidental Truth.

1:40:24 Speaker 4: Accidental Truth. UFO Revelations came out in twenty twenty three

1:40:28 Speaker 4: and people can see that film for free on YouTube now.

1:40:31 Speaker 3: And I'm happy about that.

1:40:33 Speaker 2: That's what you do.

1:40:34 Speaker 3: Great.

1:40:35 Speaker 4: It won twenty eight Film Festival Awards. The new one

1:40:38 Speaker 4: Accidental Truth, next beyond UFO Disclosure again narrated by Matthew

1:40:43 Speaker 4: Modine and a special appearance by Thomas Jane, all that

1:40:48 Speaker 4: advertising stuff.

1:40:49 Speaker 3: Music by Alan Howorth who did Halloween.

1:40:51 Speaker 2: Great.

1:40:52 Speaker 3: Yeah, great, that's got a great soundtrack.

1:40:54 Speaker 4: And that movie is available on Amazon and Apple and

1:40:59 Speaker 4: YouTube movies and TV.

1:41:01 Speaker 2: Well, what you didn't do was you didn't charge now

1:41:05 Speaker 2: like and I'm not griping on age of disclosure, but

1:41:09 Speaker 2: there was no like And people don't realize that. You know,

1:41:15 Speaker 2: when when you charge nineteen ninety nine just to rent something,

1:41:21 Speaker 2: that's very dissuasive to people and they're less likely you

1:41:26 Speaker 2: put your film out and there was like the rent

1:41:28 Speaker 2: option in HD for like six bucks, and that's how

1:41:32 Speaker 2: it should be. It's so much more accessible and affordable.

1:41:35 Speaker 2: And then you can sit around. I remember we all

1:41:39 Speaker 2: sat around and you know a couple of us. I

1:41:42 Speaker 2: shouldn't say we all but a couple of us sat

1:41:44 Speaker 2: around and watched it. That's how what we do every time.

1:41:47 Speaker 2: And I appreciate guys like you do that. They you

1:41:51 Speaker 2: don't just make it and not saying twenty bucks of

1:41:54 Speaker 2: over six bucks is gonna kill anyone. But there are

1:41:56 Speaker 2: people who just won't. They're not gonna pay twenty bucks

1:41:59 Speaker 2: to rent a movie, like, it's not gonna happen. They're

1:42:02 Speaker 2: going to choose to watch something else on these streaming services.

1:42:05 Speaker 2: There's so much to watch, Like, yeah, well.

1:42:08 Speaker 4: Look, you know, I thought that was a huge money grab.

1:42:11 Speaker 4: I mean, who rents a movie for twenty bucks?

1:42:14 Speaker 2: And righting it wasn't even situation.

1:42:18 Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know, I get like, I'll put these

1:42:21 Speaker 4: ads out on Twitter for advertising the movie, and I

1:42:24 Speaker 4: constantly get, oh, this should be free, this should be free.

1:42:27 Speaker 3: I told Amazon to lower.

1:42:29 Speaker 4: It to they put it out of five ninety nine

1:42:32 Speaker 4: and fourteen ninety nine to own it. I don't know

1:42:35 Speaker 4: how much cheaper you can go, but it's you know,

1:42:36 Speaker 4: eventually it's going to be three ninety nine and that,

1:42:39 Speaker 4: and you know, in a year or so it'll be

1:42:41 Speaker 4: on YouTube for free. So there's a tree of that.

1:42:44 Speaker 4: But you know, this is what I do for a living,

1:42:46 Speaker 4: just like anybody else. And so when people are like, oh,

1:42:49 Speaker 4: this movie should be free, it's.

1:42:51 Speaker 3: Kind of offensive because I'm like, look it is.

1:42:53 Speaker 4: I'm sure you get up every day and you go

1:42:55 Speaker 4: to work, and if you weren't getting paid, would you

1:42:57 Speaker 4: still do it? You know, this is what I do

1:43:00 Speaker 4: for a living, and if I if I'm going to

1:43:02 Speaker 4: have the money in my coffers to make the next film,

1:43:05 Speaker 4: then I need to monetize the work. And so I'm

1:43:08 Speaker 4: sorry that that offends some people, but I take everything

1:43:11 Speaker 4: I make and invest it in continuing to do what

1:43:13 Speaker 4: I do. You know, I'm not living in a mansion,

1:43:18 Speaker 4: so it's it's like.

1:43:21 Speaker 3: You're not You're not, and that people need to get

1:43:23 Speaker 3: paid for the fee.

1:43:24 Speaker 2: The Yeah, I've seen Ron in the field at the hearing,

1:43:31 Speaker 2: everywhere I go that there's something happening. Ron's there, He's

1:43:35 Speaker 2: interviewing people. He's spending his time and money getting to

1:43:39 Speaker 2: these places, getting the access, getting people to sit down,

1:43:44 Speaker 2: take thirty minutes like that. It is an expensive it's

1:43:49 Speaker 2: an expensive endeavor to go out and make a film.

1:43:53 Speaker 2: The fact that you charged four ninety nine for renting

1:43:57 Speaker 2: that like, guys, there's so much worse out there, and

1:44:02 Speaker 2: it's much more egregious in how they take your money.

1:44:06 Speaker 2: You're you're you're essentially paying for the experience and for

1:44:10 Speaker 2: you know, it's it's a very small price to pay

1:44:14 Speaker 2: to watch something that a filmmaker went out and and

1:44:17 Speaker 2: and took you. You were filming that from what twenty

1:44:21 Speaker 2: twenty three on?

1:44:22 Speaker 3: Yeah, it took two years for me to make this one.

1:44:24 Speaker 2: Yeah, so guys, give it a break. I mean, every.

1:44:27 Speaker 4: Podcast you watch five film it's like I broke all

1:44:31 Speaker 4: the rules of documentary filmmaking.

1:44:33 Speaker 2: But but they don't say anything to Jesse Michaels or

1:44:37 Speaker 2: any of these guys who run twenty five different ads

1:44:42 Speaker 2: for better help and trying to get your therapy unprovoked.

1:44:47 Speaker 2: Why is that okay? But what you're doing is see

1:44:52 Speaker 2: the dichotomy here, guys.

1:44:54 Speaker 4: Yeah, And you know, for people that want wait until

1:44:56 Speaker 4: it's free with ads, they wait, it's gonna you know,

1:44:59 Speaker 4: probably Christmas, it'll be on YouTube and you can watch

1:45:02 Speaker 4: it for free and you can sit through commercials. But yeah,

1:45:05 Speaker 4: I mean, there's no other way to create this kind

1:45:08 Speaker 4: of stuff and put it out and be able to

1:45:11 Speaker 4: sustain it. And you know what's happened to artists, It's

1:45:14 Speaker 4: not just filmmakers. It started with musicians. Musicians have always

1:45:18 Speaker 4: been expected to put forth their creativity and their work

1:45:21 Speaker 4: for nothing. That phrase, you know, singing for your dinner

1:45:25 Speaker 4: is it's like throughout history, artists are supposed to just

1:45:29 Speaker 4: dedicate their lives and their livelihoods to society. But people

1:45:34 Speaker 4: that work regular jobs stockbrokers, doctors, lawyers, guys that are

1:45:39 Speaker 4: dishwashers or restaurants for that matter, they're not about to

1:45:42 Speaker 4: get up and go do what they do for free.

1:45:44 Speaker 4: And to me, it's it's shocking that people don't understand

1:45:48 Speaker 4: this and that they actually have the nerve to say

1:45:51 Speaker 4: things like how dare you charge me to watch your film?

1:45:53 Speaker 3: It's like, really, it's.

1:45:55 Speaker 4: Like if you own a restaurant and I go eat

1:45:57 Speaker 4: your food, you're gonna want me to pay for it, right,

1:46:00 Speaker 4: the same thing.

1:46:01 Speaker 3: And so it's very sad and it makes very hard

1:46:04 Speaker 3: on artists.

1:46:05 Speaker 4: And in the you know YouTube when it first came out,

1:46:09 Speaker 4: I had produced over two hundred and fifty DVDs, all

1:46:13 Speaker 4: covering metaphysical topics, instructional videos on yoga, you know, all

1:46:17 Speaker 4: kinds of stuff that that all fit in spiritual evolution,

1:46:21 Speaker 4: and I distributed those DVDs direct to bookstores all over

1:46:24 Speaker 4: the world. And when YouTube hit the scene, within a year,

1:46:28 Speaker 4: everything that I had ever made and sold was pirated

1:46:32 Speaker 4: and I couldn't and taken and there wasn't anything I

1:46:35 Speaker 4: could do about it. And so you know, it's almost like, well,

1:46:40 Speaker 4: if I came over to your house and stole your

1:46:42 Speaker 4: wife's jewelry, how would you feel?

1:46:44 Speaker 3: And it's the same thing, and so people else.

1:46:47 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, Tyler, we're getting We're getting towards the

1:46:51 Speaker 4: end of the interview, and I got to tell you

1:46:53 Speaker 4: this has been a very interesting I've been very candid

1:46:55 Speaker 4: with you, and I've said a lot of things that

1:46:57 Speaker 4: I wouldn't say to people normally. But you know, I've

1:47:01 Speaker 4: got some pretty solid, uh viewpoints about this whole thing.

1:47:06 Speaker 4: And you know, I'm correct about a lot of stuff.

1:47:09 Speaker 3: And that that is not being said. And so I agree, what.

1:47:15 Speaker 2: What have you learned about consciousness and how it's tied

1:47:21 Speaker 2: to the phenomenon? Because move on? I mean I I do,

1:47:26 Speaker 2: and move on is like I said, the investigative Body.

1:47:30 Speaker 2: I think what that is really great. I think they've

1:47:33 Speaker 2: really come to terms with the idea that UH, contact

1:47:36 Speaker 2: may have already begun, and they have incorporated the abductee

1:47:40 Speaker 2: kind of thing into it with with like you know,

1:47:44 Speaker 2: experiencer groups and that the experience and resource team. Whether

1:47:52 Speaker 2: someone believes abductees or not. UH, there are these recurring

1:47:56 Speaker 2: patterns reported across decades and maybe all human history. Are

1:48:01 Speaker 2: there any similar similarities that have surprised you or made

1:48:07 Speaker 2: you more opt or more of a believer that this

1:48:14 Speaker 2: might be happening.

1:48:17 Speaker 4: Well, if we're talking about experiencers, particularly, Moufon has gathered

1:48:22 Speaker 4: one of the largest resources of case studies and done

1:48:26 Speaker 4: a lot of the most elaborate research. I mean, people

1:48:29 Speaker 4: that descended from John maxwork are working within Moufon and

1:48:35 Speaker 4: studying this, and so we've got a lot of data.

1:48:37 Speaker 4: And we've also worked with Ray Hernandez who did the

1:48:39 Speaker 4: Free Foundation, studying experiences and correlating the different modalities and

1:48:46 Speaker 4: revealing that you know, these things are all connected. Near

1:48:51 Speaker 4: death experiences, alien encounters, angelic visions. It's all being orchestrated

1:48:56 Speaker 4: by the same kind of mechanisms within physical reality. And

1:49:02 Speaker 4: so the people that stay in silos that you know,

1:49:05 Speaker 4: these are angels or demons.

1:49:06 Speaker 3: No, they could be ghosts.

1:49:07 Speaker 4: They could be they could be visions of dead relatives,

1:49:09 Speaker 4: they could be this, they could be that. And people

1:49:13 Speaker 4: that say, no, what I believe it is is what

1:49:15 Speaker 4: it is, that thinking is no longer serving us.

1:49:19 Speaker 3: We have to look at consciousness.

1:49:21 Speaker 4: I'm the advocate of First, we need to accept the

1:49:26 Speaker 4: consciousness is fundamental. And a lot of people are able

1:49:30 Speaker 4: to raise their hands.

1:49:31 Speaker 3: On that one. Oh, yeah, consciousness is fundamental.

1:49:33 Speaker 4: But then when you say so, if consciousness is fundamental,

1:49:36 Speaker 4: then you can accept that we're living in a simulated reality.

1:49:39 Speaker 3: Correct, And almost nobody raises their hands.

1:49:42 Speaker 4: But the fact of the matter is that if consciousness

1:49:45 Speaker 4: is fundamental, what that means is that consciousness is the

1:49:48 Speaker 4: only active force, that this conscious energy is the only

1:49:52 Speaker 4: thing that truly exists, and that everything else springs forth

1:49:55 Speaker 4: from consciousness. So, if you have a physical reality like

1:49:59 Speaker 4: we're living in that is being created by this energetic

1:50:03 Speaker 4: force we call consciousness, the only way to describe our

1:50:07 Speaker 4: physical reality is that it is a simulation. And what

1:50:11 Speaker 4: we find is that all of our religious teachings, every

1:50:14 Speaker 4: single one of them, the words that Jesus described this

1:50:17 Speaker 4: as an illusion that the Eastern religions all talk about

1:50:21 Speaker 4: the Maya. Even Islam talks.

1:50:24 Speaker 3: About this reality as being an almost laughable illusion.

1:50:29 Speaker 4: And so when we apply modern science to spiritual teachings,

1:50:33 Speaker 4: the conclusion that we're living in a simulated reality is

1:50:38 Speaker 4: it's not so far fetched. In fact, it's the most

1:50:41 Speaker 4: logical progression as you do this thought experiment. So then, well,

1:50:46 Speaker 4: why we've been taught from every religion again, every spiritual teaching,

1:50:51 Speaker 4: the same things that experiencers are being told by supposed extraterrestrials,

1:50:56 Speaker 4: that how we should be living as people, how we

1:50:59 Speaker 4: sho be relating to each other, what we should be

1:51:02 Speaker 4: doing to evolve as a civilization. None of this is new,

1:51:06 Speaker 4: and the sources that it's coming from, none of those

1:51:09 Speaker 4: are new. Human beings have been getting knowledge and lessons

1:51:14 Speaker 4: and encounters from non human intelligence from the day, you know,

1:51:19 Speaker 4: from the first phase of our writing. So what I've

1:51:22 Speaker 4: learned the most about consciousness is consciousness is fundamental. We're

1:51:26 Speaker 4: spiritual creatures having a human experience. There's probably a lot

1:51:30 Speaker 4: of other spiritual beings just like us, having different experiences.

1:51:34 Speaker 4: Within this simulation that you could be a a you

1:51:38 Speaker 4: could originate from consciousness and.

1:51:39 Speaker 3: You're a Palladian. It all.

1:51:41 Speaker 4: None of it interferes with traditional belief systems, and for

1:51:47 Speaker 4: whatever reason we're here doing it, we have to understand

1:51:50 Speaker 4: that to begin with.

1:51:52 Speaker 3: And once we understand that and.

1:51:54 Speaker 4: We start looking at all these different experience modalities, we

1:51:57 Speaker 4: start looking at all these different types of aliens or

1:52:01 Speaker 4: you know, interdimensional beings or whatever. Anything can exist inside

1:52:07 Speaker 4: the simulations.

1:52:09 Speaker 3: It simply can.

1:52:10 Speaker 4: And as Nick Pope puts it so well in the

1:52:12 Speaker 4: new film, it really made me laugh. He says, look

1:52:16 Speaker 4: inside the simulation, there's a lot of stuff. To this day,

1:52:22 Speaker 4: I think that's probably one of the best explanations. And

1:52:25 Speaker 4: that's why the film's called Accidental Truth. Next, it's about

1:52:28 Speaker 4: it's not about hey, let's argue about rather what planet

1:52:31 Speaker 4: they're from. Let's understand that they are a signpost pointing

1:52:35 Speaker 4: us to a whole new understanding of our very existence,

1:52:38 Speaker 4: and it's time to start talking about that.

1:52:40 Speaker 3: And so that's why I made Accidental Truth. Next.

1:52:44 Speaker 2: That is such a beautiful sentiment. Ron We do need

1:52:49 Speaker 2: to start asking, because again you start when you start

1:52:55 Speaker 2: labeling things, when you start putting your your biases onto

1:53:02 Speaker 2: the phenomenon, and then you inherently, you start trying to

1:53:07 Speaker 2: fit evidence into your box to make everything fit. That

1:53:12 Speaker 2: is the wrong way to go about it.

1:53:14 Speaker 3: We can't keep anymore right.

1:53:16 Speaker 4: We've had materialist science trying to stumble through the nature

1:53:20 Speaker 4: of the universe, and they just can't do it. Materialist

1:53:23 Speaker 4: science will never be able to explain the reality that

1:53:27 Speaker 4: we're in and the phenomena that we see because the

1:53:30 Speaker 4: box that they put themselves in no longer serves what

1:53:34 Speaker 4: we're finding out to be the truth. And so we

1:53:37 Speaker 4: have to start listening to things like the accounts of

1:53:40 Speaker 4: the experiencers, the esoteric ideas, the idea that consciousness truly

1:53:44 Speaker 4: is fundamental, and that we are ever living beings having

1:53:48 Speaker 4: a temporary experience here in a simulated world that we

1:53:51 Speaker 4: create for whatever reason, and that our realities are all subjective.

1:53:58 Speaker 4: That you're sitting in a room right now, now you're

1:54:00 Speaker 4: in a completely different reality than I am. We're both

1:54:03 Speaker 4: interpreting the framework of what we call consensus reality, where

1:54:09 Speaker 4: we are interpreting the energetic the energetic template that tells

1:54:15 Speaker 4: us that sky is blue and grass is green, and

1:54:18 Speaker 4: we live on a planet. But the reality that we're

1:54:20 Speaker 4: each experiencing within this simulation is completely different, vastly. The

1:54:25 Speaker 4: things that you see are completely different than me. The

1:54:27 Speaker 4: things you believe are completely different than me. We are

1:54:30 Speaker 4: all living our own individual reality and interacting in within

1:54:37 Speaker 4: the world to render together.

1:54:40 Speaker 2: So yeah, so are you are? Is what you're saying is,

1:54:46 Speaker 2: you know, the saying like if a tree falls in

1:54:48 Speaker 2: the woods, then nobody's around to hear it, doesn't make

1:54:50 Speaker 2: a noise. It sounds like what you're saying is if

1:54:54 Speaker 2: a tree there is no tree to begin with unless

1:54:57 Speaker 2: someone is around to hear it.

1:55:00 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know the way. Because rezwand Viurk is very.

1:55:04 Speaker 2: Probably good money.

1:55:07 Speaker 4: He's written in the books. He's a modern simulation theory guy.

1:55:11 Speaker 4: But simulation theory goes back to Nick Bostrom. There was

1:55:14 Speaker 4: a guy that's not credited.

1:55:15 Speaker 3: As much as he should be. His name is David Deutsch.

1:55:17 Speaker 4: He wrote a book called The Nature of Reality like

1:55:19 Speaker 4: twenty years ago, and this book was all about how.

1:55:24 Speaker 3: Computational power could one.

1:55:26 Speaker 4: Day be capable of creating a convincing artificial reality, and

1:55:30 Speaker 4: if that possibility exists, then we could be living in

1:55:34 Speaker 4: one now. People have a hard time with simulation theory

1:55:37 Speaker 4: because they think about computers and they see the matrix

1:55:39 Speaker 4: and we're little blobs with stas to us. They don't

1:55:42 Speaker 4: understand that that's not exactly what it's saying. But the

1:55:48 Speaker 4: idea that it works just like a computer game, that

1:55:52 Speaker 4: if you're walking down in World of Warcraft and you're

1:55:55 Speaker 4: on a quest and you turn right, this mathematical energy

1:56:00 Speaker 4: based algorithm knows to take what you did and create

1:56:04 Speaker 4: instantaneously the reality that you're supposed to see, and this

1:56:10 Speaker 4: reality that we're in works largely the same exact way.

1:56:14 Speaker 4: If you turn right, the pattern of the matrix knows

1:56:17 Speaker 4: to create for you what you see, but you're rendering

1:56:21 Speaker 4: it as you go, and its true existence is an

1:56:25 Speaker 4: energetic framework that is here for us to navigate around

1:56:29 Speaker 4: and within our very limited bodies, we only have to

1:56:32 Speaker 4: render reality as far as we can reach, as far

1:56:35 Speaker 4: as we can smell. Everything else is visual and auditory

1:56:39 Speaker 4: that takes very little computational power to create, and the

1:56:43 Speaker 4: whole simulation theory idea. I wish people could be a

1:56:47 Speaker 4: little more open to it, and it's their preconceived notions

1:56:51 Speaker 4: of what it is that are keeping them from understanding

1:56:53 Speaker 4: that that is absolutely what we're living in.

1:56:57 Speaker 2: Right and again, I think you brought up a really

1:56:59 Speaker 2: good point and I will round out after this. I

1:57:02 Speaker 2: know you gotta, you gotta. We both have time limits.

1:57:05 Speaker 2: But I think people you're absolutely right in the sense

1:57:10 Speaker 2: of people's when they hear simulation theory, they start to think, Okay,

1:57:16 Speaker 2: then none of this matters. And that is the fundamental

1:57:21 Speaker 2: part that that you're getting wrong. It's it does matter,

1:57:25 Speaker 2: It's still it. It is just the means of how

1:57:29 Speaker 2: this is all possible. Right. We related to computer games

1:57:34 Speaker 2: because it's a good analogy. It gives you a good visualization.

1:57:38 Speaker 2: But a steak still still tastes like a steak, you know,

1:57:41 Speaker 2: Happiness still feels like happiness. Sadness still breaks your heart.

1:57:46 Speaker 2: You still have all these emotions. We still have the problems,

1:57:51 Speaker 2: we're faced with, the bills are still gonna come do

1:57:54 Speaker 2: just because you know that the how the inner workings

1:57:57 Speaker 2: of the universe are rendered doesn't get on not special.

1:58:03 Speaker 2: And I think that's what.

1:58:06 Speaker 4: I think people they encounter simulation theory and they they

1:58:10 Speaker 4: there's another type of simulation theory that says that we're

1:58:12 Speaker 4: not even real. We are just these programs that think

1:58:15 Speaker 4: we're real, and that we're avatars for other beings.

1:58:18 Speaker 3: I don't like that version of simulation theory.

1:58:21 Speaker 4: The other version of simulation theory is that we are

1:58:25 Speaker 4: spiritual creatures having a human experience, and the simulation is

1:58:28 Speaker 4: how we have the human experience. It rises forth from

1:58:31 Speaker 4: consciousness and we create it, and that we are autonomous,

1:58:35 Speaker 4: conscious souls.

1:58:37 Speaker 3: That are here for whatever reason.

1:58:39 Speaker 4: Some of us are here to learn lessons, some of

1:58:41 Speaker 4: us graduated already and we just come here to goof off. Uh,

1:58:45 Speaker 4: there could be any number of reasons. But but just

1:58:49 Speaker 4: because the reality that we're experiencing right now is a

1:58:52 Speaker 4: simulated reality by pretty much every definition, and I could

1:58:56 Speaker 4: go deeper into that, but we don't have time.

1:59:00 Speaker 3: Just because it's a.

1:59:00 Speaker 4: Simulation doesn't mean that we're not real and that we're

1:59:03 Speaker 4: not here for this purpose, and that we're not conscious

1:59:05 Speaker 4: beings that are going to escape with some level of

1:59:09 Speaker 4: our own autonomy. And so simulation theory does not doesn't

1:59:16 Speaker 4: discount the fact that we're living, conscious beings.

1:59:21 Speaker 3: They go hand in hand. They do not conflict.

1:59:24 Speaker 2: I couldn't agree more. I really couldn't. And again, I

1:59:28 Speaker 2: would love to have you in studio for a great

1:59:33 Speaker 2: for another great podcast as soon as you know if

1:59:35 Speaker 2: you ever find yourself on the East coast in the

1:59:38 Speaker 2: next couple of months, or if we have to fly

1:59:40 Speaker 2: you here, that I would love to do that. Wrapping up,

1:59:45 Speaker 2: I have one last question for you. It's it's a

1:59:47 Speaker 2: bit of a bit of a complex one. Over the

1:59:52 Speaker 2: years that you've been doing this and over everything that

1:59:56 Speaker 2: you've learned and talked about and seen, and you know,

2:00:01 Speaker 2: the insiders you've spoken to. After all that, is there

2:00:05 Speaker 2: anything that's that still keeps ron James awake at night

2:00:09 Speaker 2: about the phenomenon?

2:00:13 Speaker 4: Uh, not so much phenomenon itself, but the stakes you know,

2:00:18 Speaker 4: there were back in the Roswell days. They used to

2:00:22 Speaker 4: say that witnesses were intimidated by people that were there

2:00:27 Speaker 4: saying things to them like, you know, that's a big

2:00:31 Speaker 4: desert out there. You could disappear pretty easy. You need

2:00:33 Speaker 4: to run your mouth shit. You know, there was a

2:00:35 Speaker 4: time when people were like, really, I believe silenced and

2:00:40 Speaker 4: killed over over this secrecy. And then in the modern times,

2:00:45 Speaker 4: I had pretty much been of the idea that they,

2:00:47 Speaker 4: you know, they weren't going to do that kind of

2:00:48 Speaker 4: stuff anymore, and that they weren't doing it, and you

2:00:51 Speaker 4: didn't hear about a lot of people getting killed. But

2:00:56 Speaker 4: you know, I've seen the level of play that I'm

2:01:00 Speaker 4: being subjected to, both in the suppression of my podcasts

2:01:05 Speaker 4: and the conspiracy around, you know, making sure this film

2:01:09 Speaker 4: doesn't reach as many people as it could, and the

2:01:13 Speaker 4: unseen hands that are orchestrating this. And you know, people

2:01:17 Speaker 4: might think, well, that's paranoid, but I wish it was paranoid.

2:01:20 Speaker 4: Believe me, I wish I was just this raving guy

2:01:22 Speaker 4: talking about it and it was real stake.

2:01:25 Speaker 3: But it's not.

2:01:26 Speaker 4: Even my publicist is scratching his head, he said, I

2:01:29 Speaker 4: never see anything like this. So, and now we have

2:01:32 Speaker 4: these missing scientists, and they're not all connected, but some

2:01:35 Speaker 4: of them are. And we have people that are being

2:01:38 Speaker 4: disappeared now because they have the ability to create conflict

2:01:43 Speaker 4: against the new narrative and the story they're floating out.

2:01:46 Speaker 3: And one pattern.

2:01:47 Speaker 4: We're finding with these people is that you know, they

2:01:50 Speaker 4: were exploring becoming a whistleblower, and now they got no

2:01:53 Speaker 4: whistle left to blow, and there's a problem there. And

2:01:57 Speaker 4: so when you ask me if there's things that keep

2:01:59 Speaker 4: me awake at night, it's like I've already opened my mouth.

2:02:03 Speaker 3: I've already done the work.

2:02:04 Speaker 4: I've already put out, the films, I've already offended the

2:02:08 Speaker 4: people that I'm going to offend, and I continue to

2:02:10 Speaker 4: do it with all of these podcasts, and uh, you know,

2:02:14 Speaker 4: for the first time ever, I I'm actually not sure

2:02:16 Speaker 4: I'm safe. And that's a that's that's a little scary.

2:02:23 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not that's not okay. And You've always been

2:02:28 Speaker 2: a pretty level headed person, so you know, hearing you.

2:02:30 Speaker 4: Say I have no interest in being the Oh my god,

2:02:33 Speaker 4: they're after me, that's nonsense.

2:02:35 Speaker 3: But weird stuff has happened.

2:02:40 Speaker 2: At some point, you just got to go all right,

2:02:42 Speaker 2: I got to stop denying that, and I got to

2:02:45 Speaker 2: take precaution, right are you.

2:02:50 Speaker 4: I'm speaking out very candidly against this controlled disclosure. I'm

2:02:54 Speaker 4: identifying the players, I'm pointing out why it's all bs,

2:02:58 Speaker 4: and you know, I'm at and in the side of

2:03:01 Speaker 4: anything but catastrophic disclosure. And I am very seriously considering

2:03:05 Speaker 4: the fact that, you know, maybe I might need to

2:03:07 Speaker 4: tone it down a bit. But I really went off

2:03:11 Speaker 4: on this interview. I held nothing back for you, Tyler.

2:03:16 Speaker 4: My my opinions and my viewpoints were expressed in a

2:03:19 Speaker 4: way that I haven't done yet anywhere else?

2:03:23 Speaker 2: Right, Ron, it's always like it's it's You're always one

2:03:27 Speaker 2: of my favorite guests. You are just like I said,

2:03:30 Speaker 2: you are not willing to toe that company line. You're

2:03:34 Speaker 2: you're for the people. I think you do this for

2:03:36 Speaker 2: the right reasons. I think you're genuine in your approach

2:03:40 Speaker 2: and your hunger for truth and transparency. I think you

2:03:46 Speaker 2: are one of the few people that we do have

2:03:48 Speaker 2: left that are working on that notion. And and really

2:03:53 Speaker 2: do you know, back themselves up by you know, their

2:03:59 Speaker 2: actions rather than some you know, the way some other

2:04:03 Speaker 2: people handle themselves. So thank you so much for what

2:04:06 Speaker 2: you do. Everyone got, you know, watch Accidental Truth and

2:04:12 Speaker 2: the second the follow up, the newest film, Accidental Truth

2:04:15 Speaker 2: Next one is free on YouTube. Uh, where can people

2:04:19 Speaker 2: so what you do on move On's YouTube.

2:04:22 Speaker 3: No, it's actually on YouTube movies and TV.

2:04:25 Speaker 2: Okay, so they can Truth is there.

2:04:28 Speaker 4: And then Accidental Truth Next is on Amazon and Apple

2:04:32 Speaker 4: and you can also rent it. In fact, I think

2:04:35 Speaker 4: YouTube movies is a great lowered it to three ninety nine.

2:04:39 Speaker 4: I've been I've been trying to get the platform to

2:04:41 Speaker 4: just work in this in such a way that we

2:04:42 Speaker 4: can make it affordable for everybody.

2:04:46 Speaker 2: Yeah, so that is affordable. I mean, come on, guys, three,

2:04:49 Speaker 2: nine and nine, rent the movie. It's a great it's

2:04:51 Speaker 2: a great Friday night watch or a Saturday night watch.

2:04:55 Speaker 2: Super I can't wait.

2:04:57 Speaker 3: What you know, it's it's it's an unpredictable film.

2:05:00 Speaker 4: It's fun to watch, you know, it's like it's it's

2:05:04 Speaker 4: it's just uh, it's it's.

2:05:05 Speaker 2: Cool, a great lineup of key players. It's it's great. Yeah,

2:05:12 Speaker 2: I I couldn't. I can't recommend it enough.

2:05:15 Speaker 3: You know.

2:05:15 Speaker 2: I think what the work you guys are doing is

2:05:17 Speaker 2: absolutely great. And uh, you're not What I like is

2:05:22 Speaker 2: that you're not willing to just you're not willing to

2:05:24 Speaker 2: not go somewhere. You're you're okay with taking a chance

2:05:27 Speaker 2: and taking a risk, and that is what the art

2:05:30 Speaker 2: is all about. It's not just you know, doing what

2:05:34 Speaker 2: you know works. I mean, it's part of that, right,

2:05:38 Speaker 2: But you do have to go out and take a risk.

2:05:41 Speaker 2: You have to go out and take chances, and uh,

2:05:43 Speaker 2: you've been doing that and I really respect it. So

2:05:46 Speaker 2: keep doing that. And I think that you're gonna, you know,

2:05:49 Speaker 2: you're gonna make some some amazing you know, amazing things

2:05:53 Speaker 2: in the future as well. So until next time, Ron,

2:05:58 Speaker 2: where can people find you on move On and all

2:06:01 Speaker 2: those platforms.

2:06:03 Speaker 4: Yeah, they can email me at media at moufon dot com.

2:06:07 Speaker 4: I put most of my stuff is on moof on television,

2:06:10 Speaker 4: which is a private channel, but I've also got the

2:06:13 Speaker 4: YouTube channels on movef On, and I'm on Twitter, and

2:06:16 Speaker 4: I'm on Facebook under Ron James and Ron James Films,

2:06:20 Speaker 4: and you can reach me at Ron James contact at

2:06:23 Speaker 4: gmail dot com if it's personal.

2:06:26 Speaker 2: Awesome, And like I said, uh, you know, very sorry

2:06:30 Speaker 2: for your loss with mister McDonald and you know our

2:06:36 Speaker 2: hearts hearts go out to Yeah, but.

2:06:39 Speaker 3: Move On will go on stronger and better than ever,

2:06:42 Speaker 3: I'm sure.

2:06:43 Speaker 4: And uh yeah, if you see a UFO or you

2:06:45 Speaker 4: have a case report reported to move On, they're the

2:06:50 Speaker 4: real guys doing the real work.

2:06:53 Speaker 2: They are. I love it doing the real legwork, my friend.

2:06:56 Speaker 2: So until next time, everybody, stay humble, stay kind, and

2:07:00 Speaker 2: importantly stay vigilant. All right, We'll see you next time, Ron,

2:07:03 Speaker 2: Thank you so much again. M all right, Yeah,