EXCLUSIVE: UFO Whistleblower Reveals Recovered Non-Human Material, Death Threats & Senate SCIF Testimony

0:00 Speaker 1: Welcome back to Total Disclosure the podcast. Today we have

0:04 Speaker 1: an exclusive episode just for Total Disclosure listeners. And in

0:09 Speaker 1: the shadows of the most classified programs on Earth, there's

0:14 Speaker 1: one man who is risking everything, his reputation, his career,

0:20 Speaker 1: and even his life. And now he's not a career spy,

0:24 Speaker 1: he is not a politician. He is a contractor who

0:28 Speaker 1: had an experience who stumbled upon something that was never

0:32 Speaker 1: meant to be seen in the planes of Kansas. Advanced

0:37 Speaker 1: materials or meta materials, technology that defy known physics, objects

0:44 Speaker 1: that could be ours. But the question, more so becomes

0:49 Speaker 1: where did we get them? What he found changed his

0:51 Speaker 1: life forever, and then the death threats followed, Federal investigators

0:56 Speaker 1: got involved, and yet he is still choosing to This

1:00 Speaker 1: is not another blurry lights in the sky story, however,

1:04 Speaker 1: a first hand account from inside the machine. And for

1:07 Speaker 1: the first time, in this exclusive no holds barred interview,

1:11 Speaker 1: a man known only as Whistling Mike steps out of

1:15 Speaker 1: the dark. Now, now we did have to protect his identity,

1:19 Speaker 1: so we filmed this episode accordingly given the circumstance. He

1:23 Speaker 1: will tell you what he saw and what they tried

1:25 Speaker 1: to bury and why powerful forces still want this story silence.

1:30 Speaker 1: This is total disclosure from a man who never wanted

1:35 Speaker 1: to but was forced to speak up. Welcome to the show,

1:40 Speaker 1: my next guest throughfo whistle block whistling, Mike step Welcome

3:17 Speaker 1: back everybody. I'm so happy to be doing this today.

3:22 Speaker 1: You know, it's not every day that I get to

3:24 Speaker 1: sit down with someone with such an incredible insight into

3:28 Speaker 1: the world of the black program, government contracting world. And

3:33 Speaker 1: you know why, especially right now, we are taking this

3:38 Speaker 1: so seriously, So of course I want to start the

3:41 Speaker 1: interview with maybe getting a little bit about you and

3:45 Speaker 1: why we have to film this way. I just kind

3:47 Speaker 1: of want to get that out of the way. Why

3:50 Speaker 1: do we have to conceal your identity?

3:52 Speaker 2: I was working on concealing my own identity. And then

3:56 Speaker 2: naturally some things change, mainly with Tim Phillips when he

4:00 Speaker 2: did go on the mcwests podcasts and announced that there

4:03 Speaker 2: was a particular person who had physical material and pieces

4:08 Speaker 2: and he felt like that person was trying to extort

4:10 Speaker 2: Darrow and that based on what he heard from the

4:13 Speaker 2: Senator staffers, he wouldn't have that person around his family,

4:18 Speaker 2: and then went on to conclude that they had turned

4:20 Speaker 2: that over to the FBI and so on.

4:25 Speaker 1: You know, Arrow tried or someone tried to get Arrow's

4:27 Speaker 1: seal of approval. There was another claim made that there

4:31 Speaker 1: was a person and he now goes by whistling Mike

4:35 Speaker 1: on X and he's made some claims, and Burlison has said,

4:43 Speaker 1: he's an interesting person and he's a defense contractor who's

4:48 Speaker 1: trying to get contracts with the US government and he

4:52 Speaker 1: came to Arrow with a story. And yes, what you

4:57 Speaker 1: say is that there was a attempt at extortion. Can

5:02 Speaker 1: you address this and clear this up? What happened there?

5:06 Speaker 3: We had a referral when I was the acting director

5:10 Speaker 3: chairman of one of the oversight committees, asked us to

5:15 Speaker 3: meet with an individual that claimed to have reported to

5:20 Speaker 3: US a UAP part. When we actually met with this individual,

5:25 Speaker 3: what we realized is the claim was that he recovered

5:29 Speaker 3: a part that fell from an advanced US dealth aircraft.

5:39 Speaker 3: So the part that he recovered was actually a piece

5:42 Speaker 3: of government property. This individual came up with a new

5:50 Speaker 3: manufacturing process to duplicate the part wanted, found a or

5:58 Speaker 3: developed a procedure to be able to detect these advanced aircraft.

6:03 Speaker 3: At one point there was a claim that wanted us

6:07 Speaker 3: to purchase the part or there was gonna sell it

6:11 Speaker 3: to another foreign entity such as the Chinese. To us,

6:15 Speaker 3: that sounded like it stortion, and that's how we treated it,

6:18 Speaker 3: and we referred it off to the FBI. But that

6:20 Speaker 3: was kind of the end of that. The fact that

6:23 Speaker 3: someone recovered apart from aircraft, that right there means it's

6:28 Speaker 3: not an arrow's mission set. Aerow investigates quap.

6:33 Speaker 2: Some of the things within his statements that he said

6:35 Speaker 2: that he's missed as he also forgot to confirm that

6:38 Speaker 2: even within the ARROW office, they did validate the death

6:42 Speaker 2: threats that came in from adversary countries. So what that said,

6:46 Speaker 2: folks are looking for me, and it's not just the

6:49 Speaker 2: community that is here, such as the case as we've

6:52 Speaker 2: seen with a lot of folks that have gone missing,

6:54 Speaker 2: and we don't know why I'm on that list, and

6:58 Speaker 2: so showing my face helps them. It's not about guarding

7:01 Speaker 2: myself from the public or getting to know people. It's

7:04 Speaker 2: just safety for me and my family.

7:06 Speaker 1: So it's safe to say that you're not hiding from

7:09 Speaker 1: the UFO community or even the public in general. You're

7:15 Speaker 1: protecting yourself against the man quote unquote, or you know,

7:21 Speaker 1: the people that seek to do harm to those who

7:24 Speaker 1: get too close to this subject, but also interact with

7:27 Speaker 1: the public.

7:28 Speaker 2: Correct. So when China says they're going to wipe you

7:30 Speaker 2: off the face of the earth, they usually mean it.

7:32 Speaker 2: So showing them what I look like doesn't help anyone

7:36 Speaker 2: out other than them.

7:38 Speaker 1: So okay, with that being said, I mean, I really

7:41 Speaker 1: do want to say thank you for taking the time

7:43 Speaker 1: out of your day to do this. Can you tell

7:45 Speaker 1: the audience a bit about yourself and what you're hoping

7:50 Speaker 1: to get from an interview like this?

7:52 Speaker 2: So yeah, you know, originally when I started this was

7:56 Speaker 2: a project where I happened to come upon a UAP

7:59 Speaker 2: craft and it worked through its various stages. Now, I

8:03 Speaker 2: always looked at it as a technology standpoint, as a

8:06 Speaker 2: business standpoint as we built it, and so we've developed

8:09 Speaker 2: technology not just within the UAP community, but goes directly

8:12 Speaker 2: to the defense contracting community. That's where I've been. However,

8:18 Speaker 2: with that said, I am forging my own path. That's

8:22 Speaker 2: been said to us from several senators from the Pentagon

8:25 Speaker 2: and from funding. You're an uncharted territory. So I have

8:28 Speaker 2: ran into issues getting a contract through. But I went

8:32 Speaker 2: through several titles, whether it be witness, whistleblower. As of

8:36 Speaker 2: right now, I'm just focused on one and that is

8:39 Speaker 2: essentially an arms dealer. That's where I go forward from

8:41 Speaker 2: here on out. However, what brought me here is a

8:44 Speaker 2: bit what I'm gonna share with you today.

8:46 Speaker 1: So you're a bit like a Tony Stark right before

8:49 Speaker 1: he became iron Man.

8:50 Speaker 2: I'm a bit like the Merchant of Death at this point. Yeah,

8:54 Speaker 2: it's a little. It's there's real life people that have

8:57 Speaker 2: to challenge the government. There's real life people that are

8:59 Speaker 2: the guy. It doesn't do me any good to compare

9:03 Speaker 2: myself to the person as we know now that bought

9:05 Speaker 2: the direct energy weapon from as they described it, Russian

9:10 Speaker 2: criminal network that then developed the discombobulator or where exactly

9:14 Speaker 2: they got the technology from what that guy's name was

9:17 Speaker 2: for the ghost murmur. But there's people out there that

9:21 Speaker 2: have what they need that lead us one hundred years ahead.

9:24 Speaker 2: I happen to be one of them. And this is

9:26 Speaker 2: usually what you go through.

9:28 Speaker 1: Walk me through that day that you came across this craft.

9:34 Speaker 1: Did this now? Had you thought about UFOs or seems

9:38 Speaker 1: like you're a pretty straight laced gentleman, Like not saying

9:43 Speaker 1: that you wouldn't be thinking about the existential things, but

9:45 Speaker 1: did you ever had a like interest in the phenomena

9:50 Speaker 1: before what happened happened?

9:53 Speaker 2: I didn't. I mean, I remember, you know, being back younger,

9:56 Speaker 2: seeing with buddies one night, the Fire in the Sky

9:59 Speaker 2: movie Jovis Walton case. That was a bit before you know,

10:03 Speaker 2: things started to develop. Where you understand when they say

10:06 Speaker 2: based on a true story, that doesn't mean much. So

10:09 Speaker 2: that was really the only little bit of knowledge that

10:12 Speaker 2: I could remind you. Yeah, I saw et Star Trek

10:16 Speaker 2: Star Wars. It wasn't because I was into UFOs UFOs,

10:20 Speaker 2: it was just that's everybody's childhood of that.

10:24 Speaker 1: Decade pop culture. So yeah, you really relegated yourself. You

10:28 Speaker 1: you were more relegated towards the pop culture side of it,

10:33 Speaker 1: like as a storytelling thing. Yeah, did you ever think

10:36 Speaker 1: you'd run into what you ran into? No?

10:39 Speaker 2: Never. I mean for people that are gen X, you know,

10:43 Speaker 2: I often wonder about like these generations coming up to

10:46 Speaker 2: sound like a grumpy old man, like we grew up

10:48 Speaker 2: in the day of like you know, back to the future.

10:50 Speaker 2: So you really, and your idea had it that in

10:52 Speaker 2: twenty twenty thirty you were going to have flying this

10:55 Speaker 2: find that people always just said, yeah, that's how it'll be.

10:59 Speaker 2: Now everybody is kind of flip that script where they're like, oh,

11:01 Speaker 2: we don't have this technology right, how the hell do

11:05 Speaker 2: you know? Because that's how my generation kind of viewed it.

11:09 Speaker 2: So that was always how I looked at it. This

11:11 Speaker 2: is advanced technology versus oh that must be UFO if

11:14 Speaker 2: you get there, fine, But that was never my first

11:17 Speaker 2: I did.

11:18 Speaker 1: So you're growing up, you're growing up. You're really seeing

11:22 Speaker 1: the phenomenon just from the pop culture. The Steven Spielberg's

11:27 Speaker 1: What life did you choose? You know, professionally, you know,

11:30 Speaker 1: give me a little bit about your upbringing and why

11:34 Speaker 1: you chose the path that you're on right now.

11:36 Speaker 2: Yeah, I grew up in a pretty poor environment. A

11:41 Speaker 2: lot of that just has to do with people making

11:42 Speaker 2: it through young parents. My sister was diagnosed early with

11:46 Speaker 2: the disease. Then I ended up coming across the same disease.

11:51 Speaker 2: And you know, sometimes it's not digging your own hole deeper,

11:54 Speaker 2: it's just life trying to bury it. So I know

11:57 Speaker 2: what government cheese tastes like, and so I was pretty

12:00 Speaker 2: confident that my one goal in life was going to

12:02 Speaker 2: be to make sure, you know, I got my own

12:05 Speaker 2: family and my own as you get older, it's your responsibility,

12:08 Speaker 2: right right. So I went through those normal processes of

12:12 Speaker 2: work and jobs. I was always very eager to get

12:15 Speaker 2: the corporate ladder climbed, made it all the way to

12:18 Speaker 2: the VP of a publicly traded company, and when that

12:22 Speaker 2: company ended up being in a purchase buyout from another

12:26 Speaker 2: larger company a merger, my job was often the times

12:30 Speaker 2: of VPS because whoever the buying company is using their VPS,

12:34 Speaker 2: you're kind of isolated out of it. Consulted for a while.

12:38 Speaker 2: But then I was like, I know what I got here,

12:40 Speaker 2: which I'm already hearing. There's people, you know, within the

12:43 Speaker 2: industry have been out with me saying no one else

12:45 Speaker 2: can do this. That was going to become my full

12:47 Speaker 2: time gig. And that's when I made the jump to

12:49 Speaker 2: do it.

12:50 Speaker 1: Okay, so what is your current role or responsibility?

12:58 Speaker 2: This is it, this is life. I've got everything into

13:01 Speaker 2: pushing this product line essentially, which is what it is.

13:05 Speaker 2: And the government knows they need it. They don't really

13:08 Speaker 2: want to pay for it like this, So they're throwing

13:10 Speaker 2: the Invention Secrecy Act at me, But there are individuals

13:15 Speaker 2: who deal with this in the government to fund these

13:18 Speaker 2: people because we do no good for the men and

13:20 Speaker 2: women in uniform or our country fighting it out. So

13:24 Speaker 2: I'm not going to roll over and let you take

13:26 Speaker 2: it with the Invention Secrecy Act. So then what happens

13:29 Speaker 2: will either battle in court or it stays on the

13:31 Speaker 2: shelf for ten years when you could be saving people.

13:33 Speaker 2: So luckily I have found the funding people who are like,

13:37 Speaker 2: there's a way forward. It's not always easy. There's a

13:40 Speaker 2: lot of red tape, but that's the method we're trying

13:43 Speaker 2: to push through is we can still get this done.

13:46 Speaker 2: That's my whole focus. That's everything I have into this.

13:50 Speaker 2: You know, when I started this company, I started it

13:53 Speaker 2: like any normal company, very small time I had. You know,

13:58 Speaker 2: I was making a lot of money as a VP,

14:01 Speaker 2: and then as it progressed, you put more into it,

14:03 Speaker 2: you get another accolade, you reach another achievement, you put

14:06 Speaker 2: more into it. At this point in time, like I said,

14:08 Speaker 2: and I think Tim Phillips confirmed, we've got the government

14:11 Speaker 2: by the balls with what we can do. So this

14:14 Speaker 2: is me, this is everything right now?

14:16 Speaker 1: Yeah, because I mean I spoke, that's how we actually met,

14:19 Speaker 1: not met, but met in that way of online. Yeah, right,

14:24 Speaker 1: is when I was doing the Tim Phillips interview, and

14:27 Speaker 1: you know, you kind of wanted to see what he

14:32 Speaker 1: was going to say. So there was a big Like,

14:36 Speaker 1: I felt like there was a lot of eyes on

14:37 Speaker 1: that interview simply because of you. So it was a

14:41 Speaker 1: very interesting dichotomy for me to be like, all right now,

14:45 Speaker 1: I feel like I've been shoehorned into something, right, something

14:49 Speaker 1: larger than I expected.

14:51 Speaker 2: Well, you got caught up. Unluckily, cooler heads prevail as

14:55 Speaker 2: we talk to each other, which is the way to

14:57 Speaker 2: do things. But essentially you got caught up in a

15:01 Speaker 2: battle that had been brewing and it's still brewing, and

15:06 Speaker 2: luckily we didn't end up with you as collateral damage it. Instead,

15:09 Speaker 2: you've worked your way through it. So I give you

15:11 Speaker 2: credit for that. But yeah, it was kind of hot

15:13 Speaker 2: to get started.

15:14 Speaker 1: Right, So, and I asked these questions because you are

15:20 Speaker 1: a human being, right, You're a normal guy, You're you're

15:24 Speaker 1: You're just you came across something that is unique and

15:30 Speaker 1: not many people get a chance to to be not

15:35 Speaker 1: let alone, let alone see something like that, but to

15:38 Speaker 1: have access to it on another level where you're now

15:42 Speaker 1: holding evidence to some degree. So can you walk me

15:48 Speaker 1: through so you're building your company? Yeah, so say as

15:53 Speaker 1: much as and say as much as you can without

15:55 Speaker 1: giving If we have to bleep anything out, I'm happy

15:58 Speaker 1: to do that, but you know, I'd like to hear

16:01 Speaker 1: it all. So what puts you in a position to

16:05 Speaker 1: come across something like you did? Can you tell me

16:07 Speaker 1: that whole story so we can kind of get in

16:09 Speaker 1: that's best.

16:10 Speaker 2: So it's still by chance. So you know, of every

16:13 Speaker 2: company I had invested in, because even when I was

16:17 Speaker 2: working full time, I'm still you know, entrepreneur looking at

16:21 Speaker 2: various companies, was involved, you know, had part of a

16:23 Speaker 2: winery I owned. I mean that's the normal what you do, right.

16:27 Speaker 2: So yeah, so one particular company I had, you know,

16:31 Speaker 2: because of my upbringing. Even though I may be in

16:34 Speaker 2: a pin stripe or MONI suit in a boardroom, I'll

16:36 Speaker 2: still throw on the gloves and help make a long

16:39 Speaker 2: drive or get dirty. I mean that's just that's me.

16:42 Speaker 2: So this particular assignment that we had for a higher

16:46 Speaker 2: technology that dealt with a whole lot of monitoring equipment

16:50 Speaker 2: on a higher level of you don't know what's going

16:54 Speaker 2: on until you really hit it with this sort of

16:56 Speaker 2: monitoring equipment. We went quite a bit out of town.

17:01 Speaker 2: Everybody just voted to come home. You know, do you

17:03 Speaker 2: stay and waste a day or do you just want

17:05 Speaker 2: to get home? And I said, hey, look I'll throw

17:08 Speaker 2: in on the drive. So my kind of end of

17:11 Speaker 2: the drive was pushing the early hours of the morning,

17:15 Speaker 2: almost home, and we come across lights out in the

17:18 Speaker 2: field and it's the sort of thing where you don't

17:23 Speaker 2: feel like anything should be out there, you know, it's

17:26 Speaker 2: like what could have lights, say, fifty foot up in

17:30 Speaker 2: the middle of you know, wheat field.

17:33 Speaker 1: So can you say where you were with state?

17:36 Speaker 2: Sure? So this is happening in Kansas, Kansas?

17:39 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, just keep it there.

17:41 Speaker 2: And it happened in an area that I know well

17:44 Speaker 2: enough to know that if the light's wrong, the sun's out,

17:47 Speaker 2: there's there's nothing over the horizon that you know, Black Kansas. Yeah,

17:52 Speaker 2: there's there's nothing out there.

17:53 Speaker 1: So yeah, for anyone who hasn't been out there, it's

17:56 Speaker 1: they call it fly over state for a reason, yep.

17:58 Speaker 1: But playing nothing but play lanes and two lane road

18:02 Speaker 1: and planes on either side.

18:04 Speaker 2: That's exactly what it is. So it was one of

18:07 Speaker 2: those things because we were so close to home and

18:09 Speaker 2: you're talking about a bunch of people that have various,

18:12 Speaker 2: you know, engineering backgrounds, and we're curious, right, So now.

18:18 Speaker 1: You're seeing this as an edge, like as someone who's

18:21 Speaker 1: kind of not educated in the sense of like, but

18:26 Speaker 1: you're trained, you're a trained observer, and like, wait, that

18:30 Speaker 1: should not be there. That should not be so can

18:34 Speaker 1: you explain? So it's lights in the sky, but what

18:36 Speaker 1: does it look like?

18:37 Speaker 2: What is there color at this point in time? You

18:41 Speaker 2: just have some really bright lights, white, kind of a

18:44 Speaker 2: yellowish looking light. Nothing, there's no blinking reds, greens, blues,

18:50 Speaker 2: nothing like that.

18:50 Speaker 1: You just just one light or.

18:53 Speaker 2: Several two too okay to what I'll just referred to

18:57 Speaker 2: that going to too much detail as panel lights, but good

19:01 Speaker 2: sized lights. So because of that, one of the guys

19:05 Speaker 2: that was with me joked like, is it the field

19:07 Speaker 2: of dreams over there? Like is there now? You know? Lights?

19:10 Speaker 2: I mean, that's we weren't like, oh my gosh, this

19:13 Speaker 2: is a UFO. That was the furthest thing from anyone's mind.

19:17 Speaker 2: It was just like, what in the world could be

19:19 Speaker 2: on over there? So no one else is out on

19:22 Speaker 2: the road, it's just us. Started to kind of head

19:25 Speaker 2: that direction, not necessarily because we were chasing it, but

19:31 Speaker 2: that's still just kind of on the way home. So

19:35 Speaker 2: we come to a stop just driving home, start heading

19:39 Speaker 2: that way, and what becomes evident to me is that

19:42 Speaker 2: it's essentially pacing us, tracking away at the same speed

19:46 Speaker 2: I'm going at it. Keep in mind, these are not

19:49 Speaker 2: We're not in a chase. So if I'm doing thirty,

19:52 Speaker 2: you know, I haven't put the pedal to the metal

19:54 Speaker 2: and tried to run anything down. It's still an analytical

19:59 Speaker 2: what is this? Windows are down, you're listening, can't hear anything.

20:03 Speaker 2: You know, it's Kansas, so you can hear the bugs,

20:05 Speaker 2: you know, in the summer, completely quiet. Still don't have

20:10 Speaker 2: a clue. And the reason I say that is my

20:12 Speaker 2: mind's thinking helicopter, you know, something like this, and you

20:15 Speaker 2: should be picking up some sort of noise.

20:18 Speaker 1: As it grows closer, right, and.

20:21 Speaker 2: Again just still a completely quiet night. So we end

20:25 Speaker 2: up getting closer and closer, and eventually, rather than it

20:28 Speaker 2: tracking away, although it did track quite a bit before

20:31 Speaker 2: we got up to it, it becomes stationary. We get

20:35 Speaker 2: a closer and closer, and at that point in time

20:37 Speaker 2: you can tell there is a craft, which, again in

20:40 Speaker 2: my mind from the silhouette, as you get close and

20:45 Speaker 2: the lights shine in your eyes, still kind of seems

20:47 Speaker 2: to be like a helicopter. Okay, so you're still thinking

20:51 Speaker 2: again it's stationary, so it's obviously not a jet or

20:54 Speaker 2: something you would you know, you'd be going a couple

20:56 Speaker 2: hundred miles an hour, so.

20:58 Speaker 1: You're starting to rule things out in your life.

21:00 Speaker 2: That's exactly what's going on. Yeah, and you know, one

21:02 Speaker 2: of the other things you know this is like there

21:05 Speaker 2: was no guns of blazing before I even went that

21:08 Speaker 2: direction coming from the stop. You know, I timed it

21:10 Speaker 2: on the clock because I was like, well, if that's

21:12 Speaker 2: a plane coming in low, knowing with the speed that

21:14 Speaker 2: planes do at least one hundred miles an hour to

21:16 Speaker 2: not fall out, and it's not got here, so it's

21:19 Speaker 2: obviously not moving. I mean, that's how we're going through this.

21:23 Speaker 2: So as we start getting closer to it again, my

21:27 Speaker 2: mind is from my eyes is saying, this has got

21:30 Speaker 2: to be some sort of helicopter again, there's no think

21:32 Speaker 2: of like this as a UFO. So I really slow

21:37 Speaker 2: down because I'm thinking I can't hear anything, like I

21:40 Speaker 2: should be hearing the wash should be you know, at

21:43 Speaker 2: this point time, you should be able to see it

21:46 Speaker 2: from the from the you know, light coming down on

21:48 Speaker 2: the ground. I should be able to hear this thing.

21:51 Speaker 2: And my mind's still saying, like, you got to be careful,

21:56 Speaker 2: not in the sense of danger, but like I didn't

21:58 Speaker 2: want to drive into a scene where they're landing to

22:01 Speaker 2: pick someone up because I grew up in the sticks

22:03 Speaker 2: and if someone gets hurt bad, there's no time for

22:04 Speaker 2: an ambulance.

22:06 Speaker 1: Yeah they bring you.

22:06 Speaker 2: Send a helicopter into a wheat filled and it waits

22:10 Speaker 2: until the analyst gets there, And like, you don't want

22:12 Speaker 2: to be the dummy that just drove into the middle

22:15 Speaker 2: of something like that.

22:16 Speaker 1: So totally understandable.

22:19 Speaker 2: It was really just slow, you know, even though I

22:21 Speaker 2: ended up getting time with it, I probably wasted half

22:24 Speaker 2: of that time just through the process of working out

22:28 Speaker 2: what it was and getting up to it, because I mean,

22:29 Speaker 2: we're just happened upon it, and you're trying to figure

22:33 Speaker 2: out what's going on. What is this?

22:35 Speaker 1: How many people were with you, me and three others,

22:38 Speaker 1: So it's a full car. Yeah, there's three other people

22:41 Speaker 1: that witnessed this.

22:43 Speaker 2: Correct, correct, And there's still with me on my team.

22:48 Speaker 1: Oh today, Okay, so you this thing's tracking you. It

22:55 Speaker 1: should have come if it was any jet or helo,

23:01 Speaker 1: it should have made its way either over you at

23:05 Speaker 1: this point or been directly over you. And but you

23:09 Speaker 1: said you're starting to make out some sort of craft.

23:12 Speaker 1: So are you starting to see through the light? And like,

23:17 Speaker 1: how much are you seeing? How did you determine that?

23:19 Speaker 2: So the light is bright, it's very bright. But with

23:22 Speaker 2: that said, it's not like I'm looking at the sun,

23:25 Speaker 2: and I know, don't look at the sun, right, there's

23:27 Speaker 2: people that damage their eyes from looking at eclipses. It's

23:29 Speaker 2: the center sort of system here at this point time

23:32 Speaker 2: when you can see a craft, I'm willing to risk

23:36 Speaker 2: blinding light to figure out what the hell is is there.

23:40 Speaker 2: So coming up to it, it's essentially stationary. There's a

23:46 Speaker 2: little bit of a wobble less than fifty foot off

23:49 Speaker 2: the ground, but it's not what a wobble is probably incorrect.

23:52 Speaker 2: I mean it's moving, it's not like on a statue,

23:54 Speaker 2: but it's a controlled state.

23:58 Speaker 1: Find it interesting that you use that word wobble are

24:04 Speaker 1: so is it maybe floating wall? Like? Is there a

24:09 Speaker 1: bit of a like a fluidity to it. I don't

24:13 Speaker 1: want to put words in your mind.

24:15 Speaker 2: You're getting there, think of, and you know, I'll immediately

24:19 Speaker 2: get there. Think of if something was human tech, you

24:21 Speaker 2: would have a computer system trying to just like a drone.

24:25 Speaker 1: Continuously even itself exactly.

24:28 Speaker 2: So if you've flown a drone and you get into

24:30 Speaker 2: some wind or something, that's kind of what it was

24:33 Speaker 2: was like. So there was definitely some it was regulating

24:39 Speaker 2: staying where it wanted to stay. Okay, what it would

24:41 Speaker 2: seem like.

24:42 Speaker 1: And now I guess I just want to clarify this.

24:46 Speaker 1: So you're driving on the road and you're coming up

24:50 Speaker 1: to it at this so you're moving towards it, correct, okay.

24:55 Speaker 2: And for a while it's tracking away from us, so

24:57 Speaker 2: it's not leaving, but we're not getting any closer. Eventually,

25:02 Speaker 2: for whatever the reason be, it's stationary and now we're

25:07 Speaker 2: catching up to it. But again it's the slowest race,

25:10 Speaker 2: you know, forty mile an hour, thirty mile an hour

25:13 Speaker 2: sort of coming up to it again, there's no you're

25:17 Speaker 2: just trying to figure out what the hell it is

25:18 Speaker 2: without getting yourself into trouble.

25:19 Speaker 1: So what happens next.

25:22 Speaker 2: We get to the side of it. So now we're

25:24 Speaker 2: kind of without the blinding light. I mean, it's still there,

25:28 Speaker 2: analyzing it, looking at it. It's a craft. So my mind,

25:34 Speaker 2: for people that don't know about Kansas, especially in the

25:37 Speaker 2: Wichita area where I'm from, it's actually known as the

25:40 Speaker 2: air capital of the world. I know everybody thinks horses

25:42 Speaker 2: and cowboys, but you know, we hold records on it

25:46 Speaker 2: where all your aerospace and aircraft come from. Every major

25:50 Speaker 2: player is there, and so I've seen craft my whole life.

25:55 Speaker 2: You know, my father used to work on the Space

25:57 Speaker 2: Shuttle program back when we had that in the day.

25:59 Speaker 2: All my family's built craft. I mean, I know what

26:01 Speaker 2: I'm looking at. No numbers, no letters, no you know,

26:07 Speaker 2: marker lights, nothing. So immediately I thought to myself, this

26:12 Speaker 2: is something. This is not what we thought we were

26:15 Speaker 2: normally gonna get into. This is no helicopter, any rivet

26:18 Speaker 2: scenes or anything like that. There was without going to

26:22 Speaker 2: too much detail, you know, it's not some sort of

26:26 Speaker 2: a blob or figure. I mean, that was one of

26:29 Speaker 2: the things that we were. You know, the whole time

26:31 Speaker 2: this is going on, my group is talking back and

26:33 Speaker 2: forth to each other because we're trying to analyze what

26:36 Speaker 2: we're seeing and what we're thinking. And that was one

26:39 Speaker 2: of the immediate things I first thought to myself is

26:41 Speaker 2: this looks obviously not so much earthly made, because I

26:46 Speaker 2: wasn't thinking aliens at that point in time, but I

26:48 Speaker 2: was like, the performance, what it's doing it shouldn't be doing.

26:51 Speaker 2: But obviously this looks like human haying sort of manufacturing.

26:57 Speaker 1: Well, and we'll get through a little bit of speculational

26:59 Speaker 1: bit of a bit later because I want to know,

27:02 Speaker 1: we'll come back to that. But so there's no insignia

27:07 Speaker 1: at all on this thing.

27:08 Speaker 2: Nothing, And like I said, I know where to look, right,

27:11 Speaker 2: it's not there, not even test markers, there's nothing. Really,

27:15 Speaker 2: So as this is going on and I'm looking, and

27:18 Speaker 2: this is important part of it. You know, I turned

27:20 Speaker 2: the vehicle we're in right at it from the side,

27:25 Speaker 2: and I have a little bit of elevation of where

27:27 Speaker 2: I pulled, so my head lights are on it. Turn

27:31 Speaker 2: the brights on right, you want to see yeah more, Yeah,

27:36 Speaker 2: all of us ammiliate your remember when we turned the

27:37 Speaker 2: brights on. It seemed to basically absorb the light, like

27:43 Speaker 2: you could still see it. Think of like a thirty

27:46 Speaker 2: wht ball, but you're shining led on it, you know,

27:49 Speaker 2: like you can still see it, but obviously it's absorbing

27:52 Speaker 2: most of the light. So at that point time, it's confusing.

27:59 Speaker 2: Right now in my mind the idea of and I

28:03 Speaker 2: hate the word alien, but I was like, what the

28:05 Speaker 2: hell is this right?

28:08 Speaker 1: What kind of material can absorb photon?

28:11 Speaker 2: You're absorbing light? You know. Keep mind, we had the

28:13 Speaker 2: window down. There's only slight, little hum to it. Just

28:16 Speaker 2: thing's floating. Looking at the stuff that's under it. There

28:20 Speaker 2: was even a small little tree, not a fucking leaf's moving?

28:23 Speaker 2: What is this right? So even for me, that's not

28:26 Speaker 2: into the whole gendre of aliens and UFOs. I'm questioning,

28:32 Speaker 2: what are we looking at?

28:33 Speaker 1: Right? How does that thing? Where's the propulsion?

28:36 Speaker 2: And it's in the middle of a field in Kansas,

28:38 Speaker 2: not exactly testing grounds, you know what I mean. Like

28:41 Speaker 2: it's so that was my closest I've ever been to

28:44 Speaker 2: Like what am I seeing? I'm willing to analyze it,

28:48 Speaker 2: and I'm willing to think down that route, but until

28:50 Speaker 2: that point time in my life, I've never crossed that bridge.

28:55 Speaker 1: So you're looking at this thing because you're really not

29:01 Speaker 1: sure what it is. It's absorbing your light to some degree.

29:07 Speaker 1: It's only you know, lighting it up like a like

29:11 Speaker 1: a thirty watt light bulb at but you pounced in,

29:14 Speaker 1: you know, some Elie hardcore led right. I hate to ask,

29:20 Speaker 1: but did you know the story of Bobazar?

29:25 Speaker 2: I know some of the story.

29:27 Speaker 1: Did you watch that s for a documentary?

29:29 Speaker 2: I have not seen that.

29:31 Speaker 1: There's a part in it where they talk about having

29:35 Speaker 1: you know, those halogen lights where it's like two on

29:39 Speaker 1: a T frame. It's on construction sites a lot. Well,

29:42 Speaker 1: they had those everywhere inside the craft, and no matter

29:47 Speaker 1: how many they had, it was like the craft was

29:52 Speaker 1: absorbing the light and they could barely get this thing lit.

29:56 Speaker 1: And they had several of those, you know, all over

30:00 Speaker 1: the place, these double haligen lights, and if you've ever

30:02 Speaker 1: seen those, those are outputting you know, a good lumen,

30:08 Speaker 1: and it's like the craft is absorbing the light and

30:11 Speaker 1: only allowing uh, you know, a fraction of the photons

30:15 Speaker 1: to bounce out and back. So again, forgive me for

30:20 Speaker 1: drawing lines here, but I can't help, but think of.

30:23 Speaker 2: That for the community, is what I'll say. Making that

30:28 Speaker 2: sort of line is is an actually fair line. However,

30:32 Speaker 2: just because we're on record here, Bob Azurs full of

30:36 Speaker 2: shit is my personal opinion. Yeah, so it's not that

30:43 Speaker 2: that doesn't match up. I'm willing to say, of course

30:45 Speaker 2: that matches up, but I'm just not believe in the

30:48 Speaker 2: story it's there.

30:49 Speaker 1: Okay, So you know what, respect I have respect for

30:52 Speaker 1: someone who can come out and just be like, you

30:54 Speaker 1: know what, I don't believe the guy so well.

30:58 Speaker 2: In fairness, I want to say that this we because

31:02 Speaker 2: this is how you do science, and people don't understand

31:04 Speaker 2: science a lot of times. I know because I listen

31:06 Speaker 2: to what the tweets are every day. Right the post,

31:11 Speaker 2: we still assign a person in our team to look

31:15 Speaker 2: at that angle. Right, So I took this human tech

31:17 Speaker 2: angle and we'll get into the story later, and they

31:19 Speaker 2: took that it's not human tech angle. And we look

31:21 Speaker 2: through all those cases like Lazare the aerials, you know, school,

31:26 Speaker 2: and I'm just telling you my view is on all

31:28 Speaker 2: of them after looking at the facts and the stuff

31:30 Speaker 2: we dug up as they're all bullshit. That was my

31:32 Speaker 2: personal in our group's opinion. It's not that we didn't

31:35 Speaker 2: look at it. We just came to a different conclusion

31:37 Speaker 2: than apparently the individuals do.

31:40 Speaker 1: The Rura case is bullshit. Did you just say that

31:44 Speaker 1: the case of Zimbabwe?

31:46 Speaker 2: Yeah, is absolutely bullshit.

31:49 Speaker 1: We're going to get into that a little bit.

31:51 Speaker 2: I think we should. I think we should.

31:53 Speaker 1: Because that is you are the first person i've well

31:57 Speaker 1: aside from that one kid. But we'll get into that.

32:01 Speaker 2: We'll get into that because I'm gonna pick it apart.

32:03 Speaker 2: But that's its own So we we came to that.

32:07 Speaker 2: I mean, we try to be fair, is what I'm

32:09 Speaker 2: trying to tell people here. So when I say what

32:12 Speaker 2: I think about these people in the stories, it's not

32:14 Speaker 2: because I'm personally attacking them. It's not that I think

32:16 Speaker 2: that you don't have your own right to choose. I'm

32:19 Speaker 2: saying we legitly researched it, looked at it, and we

32:23 Speaker 2: couldn't find anything in this foundation of UFOs, including Roswell,

32:28 Speaker 2: that we could ever be like, yeah, that's that's a

32:30 Speaker 2: legit one. The only one that comes up is the knimics.

32:33 Speaker 2: And I think I've made it clear by now that

32:34 Speaker 2: I think that's human tech. So that's how my opinion

32:39 Speaker 2: of Blazarre and the rest come across.

32:41 Speaker 1: You think the tick tack is human made?

32:42 Speaker 2: Yeah?

32:43 Speaker 1: And okay, well and I'm sure we'll get into that again.

32:47 Speaker 2: But all right, well back at the scene here. So

32:51 Speaker 2: now we're looking at it with the brides. We've got

32:54 Speaker 2: the windows down. Okay, again, I've used this term over

32:57 Speaker 2: and over, not guns of blazing. I'm very careful of

33:01 Speaker 2: the moves I make, even today with what I'm going

33:04 Speaker 2: through with the government. Everything's planned out, and so we're

33:09 Speaker 2: sitting there and we're listening to the hum right, does

33:12 Speaker 2: have a noise, it's light. It's not what you should

33:15 Speaker 2: hear from a craft that's essentially levitating. But all of us,

33:21 Speaker 2: as crazy as this sound, looking at each other, we're like,

33:24 Speaker 2: it seems safe. You know, there's no sparks coming out.

33:27 Speaker 2: It doesn't sound like it's gonna blow, right.

33:30 Speaker 1: It's not even moving the tree.

33:33 Speaker 2: Right, So I know it sounds weird to say it

33:36 Speaker 2: seems safe, but you know, especially for people that are

33:40 Speaker 2: engineers and curious, like how many times are you gonna

33:41 Speaker 2: have this fucking shot? Right? I mean, you gotta make

33:44 Speaker 2: that choice. So again, we waste a lot of time

33:48 Speaker 2: just looking at it from inside the safety of a vehicle,

33:52 Speaker 2: because different people think different things. Some people panic, some

33:56 Speaker 2: people get too excited. We're just analyzing the whole thing

34:00 Speaker 2: as we go.

34:01 Speaker 1: Did Travis Walt never come back into your head in

34:03 Speaker 1: that moment?

34:04 Speaker 2: Yep, yep, you nailed that. So the reason I brought

34:06 Speaker 2: that up because I'm just being honest. That was the

34:09 Speaker 2: one thing that popped into my head before we got out,

34:13 Speaker 2: because that's a scene in that movie where he's like,

34:16 Speaker 2: why did you get out? You know, don't get out

34:18 Speaker 2: right and then you get abducted. But again, analyzing it,

34:24 Speaker 2: and I know it might sound odd, but it doesn't

34:26 Speaker 2: appear you know, there's not leaves turning brown and burning

34:29 Speaker 2: under it. I mean, there doesn't appear to be any radiation. Yeah,

34:33 Speaker 2: these sort of things that would be like, oh, let's

34:35 Speaker 2: get out of here. So with that said, we got out.

34:41 Speaker 2: All of us got out. Maybe we weren't smart enough

34:43 Speaker 2: to leave a driver, but and we all went to

34:47 Speaker 2: the back to get the equipment out because what else

34:49 Speaker 2: would you do. Right equipment, You've got high tech equipment

34:54 Speaker 2: to do things and see into electrical panels through walls

34:58 Speaker 2: and pick up ultra and acoustics. I mean, if you're

35:03 Speaker 2: going to get in trouble, you might as well go

35:05 Speaker 2: for the big one, like this is the business that

35:09 Speaker 2: was invested that we were coming home from. And again, god,

35:14 Speaker 2: well that's what I tell people. The difference with me

35:16 Speaker 2: is because these are the normal stories in Kansas. Farmer

35:19 Speaker 2: Bob's in a field and he sees something, and that's

35:22 Speaker 2: always got that story. And that's kind of what we

35:25 Speaker 2: were thinking. Is like even at this point in time,

35:28 Speaker 2: with you know, the cell phones out and this and

35:30 Speaker 2: that there's nothing there. If you really wanted people to

35:35 Speaker 2: take you.

35:37 Speaker 1: Seriously, do you have cell phone? You have video of this?

35:41 Speaker 2: We have a lot better than cell phone because when

35:43 Speaker 2: you go to the back and you start getting equipment out,

35:45 Speaker 2: Marni equipment and visual documentation equipment. You know, we had

35:50 Speaker 2: a Flair camera that was about ninety grand at the time.

35:53 Speaker 2: We get it all out again, now we start hurrying

35:58 Speaker 2: a little bit, but not You don't just run underneath

36:01 Speaker 2: the craft, right, You still want to kind of approach

36:03 Speaker 2: approach it around the size because the same way that

36:06 Speaker 2: there's nothing going on underneath of it at any point

36:09 Speaker 2: in time, because it has got that little bit of wobble.

36:11 Speaker 2: Like I was saying, you know, you don't know, so.

36:13 Speaker 1: You're approaching with caution, and how do you how do

36:19 Speaker 1: you make your move towards this thing?

36:23 Speaker 2: We get out, we're on foot, without having to even

36:26 Speaker 2: say a thing to each other. We just get out

36:28 Speaker 2: everything we have for equipment, documenting, monitoring, and that was

36:33 Speaker 2: the whole business that we had. That's why people, you know,

36:37 Speaker 2: a couple hundred miles away would hire us to come

36:39 Speaker 2: in and look what they have and high technology analyze it.

36:42 Speaker 2: It's that sort of level. So we just knew. And

36:46 Speaker 2: just like when you go into a place, everybody has

36:48 Speaker 2: a job. This person runs this, this person's on the computer.

36:52 Speaker 2: It was the same sort of thing. So we get

36:54 Speaker 2: up to it, not immediately underneath of it. We're taking

36:58 Speaker 2: the outside look. We're taking the out outside scope of it. Eventually,

37:02 Speaker 2: of course, we end up underneath of it. You know,

37:04 Speaker 2: we have a recorder on for voice two, so you know,

37:07 Speaker 2: we're reading things off, talking about things. I count this

37:09 Speaker 2: many panels, I count this many that. I mean, this

37:12 Speaker 2: is a normal. These were the right people to have

37:15 Speaker 2: for something like this.

37:17 Speaker 1: That's amazing.

37:18 Speaker 2: We're talking about what we're seeing on the monitoring equipment.

37:21 Speaker 2: We're talking about all this and for about ten minutes.

37:25 Speaker 2: You know, would have been way longer had we have

37:26 Speaker 2: known what we were going to be approaching or driving

37:29 Speaker 2: up to. That's what we got. Now, how does it end? Well?

37:36 Speaker 2: Getting towards the end of ten minutes, we do hear

37:39 Speaker 2: a noise and there is what I'll refer to as

37:43 Speaker 2: a panel that comes down off of this. Again, put

37:50 Speaker 2: yourself in the shoes of individuals in Kansas that have

37:54 Speaker 2: come across in the early hours of the morning a

37:56 Speaker 2: craft that is doing this. We've hit it. What they're

38:00 Speaker 2: everything high tech. We're talking about it now. Engineering always

38:04 Speaker 2: sounds like this sexy term because of how like advanced

38:07 Speaker 2: it is. But there's another part of engineering, which is

38:10 Speaker 2: you come to questions and the answers are kind of

38:12 Speaker 2: like a caveman. So like one of the things that

38:14 Speaker 2: we came up talking is like we can pick it

38:18 Speaker 2: up on a sensor, we can see it, but like,

38:22 Speaker 2: you know, what is this? We have some idea what

38:25 Speaker 2: it's made from because you know some of the readings

38:27 Speaker 2: coming back, but like you know what happens essentially if

38:31 Speaker 2: you throw sitting at it again, sounds a bit odd,

38:34 Speaker 2: but that's kind of where we're at. Does it go

38:36 Speaker 2: through it? Does it bounce off? Does this thing light

38:40 Speaker 2: up before you know? I mean, like what what happens?

38:42 Speaker 2: Because you can tell a lot when it's quiet about

38:44 Speaker 2: a noise. When you hear it bounce off of something, right?

38:48 Speaker 2: Is it like a rock? Is it hollow? I mean,

38:50 Speaker 2: these are questions that we've kind of got to where

38:52 Speaker 2: it's like, we've got as much as we can possibly

38:54 Speaker 2: get with what we have. What are the other questions

38:59 Speaker 2: to it? So there was a panel correct falls off as.

39:08 Speaker 1: You got Yeah, I gotta ask. Have you heard of

39:15 Speaker 1: Diana Pasolka?

39:17 Speaker 2: I know the name, but again I'm not as familiar

39:20 Speaker 2: with everybody you did the stories.

39:21 Speaker 1: Not to divulge too much here, but Diana in her

39:27 Speaker 1: book refers back to tim Timothy Taylor.

39:35 Speaker 2: And I know the name, but again it's the smallest

39:39 Speaker 2: part of the story that I can remember.

39:40 Speaker 1: They call him the Dragon correct in Mission Control and NASA,

39:46 Speaker 1: and he's allegedly allegedly allegedly, but the guy is super

39:53 Speaker 1: elusive and he seems to pop up everywhere, but not

39:59 Speaker 1: public like with Chris bloodsoe and again you know, let's

40:05 Speaker 1: for at least this part. But Diana's talking to Tim

40:11 Speaker 1: and when she says UFO crash, he corrects her and

40:16 Speaker 1: he tells her no, they're donations. Their donations. Do you

40:23 Speaker 1: think that you were possibly given what you needed at

40:32 Speaker 1: the time at one point time?

40:36 Speaker 2: Because of how rough this has been that we're going

40:38 Speaker 2: to go through, I did kind of think back and

40:41 Speaker 2: think to myself, like, why me? You know, there's it's

40:44 Speaker 2: an honest question, especially with what we're going to get into. Yeah,

40:48 Speaker 2: I mean, as we just said, what are the chances

40:51 Speaker 2: of this? So am I the only person in the

40:52 Speaker 2: world that just you know, me and these other three people?

40:55 Speaker 2: And this is you got to ask yourself, why am

40:57 Speaker 2: he right? However?

40:59 Speaker 1: I saw you panel didn't fall off of it.

41:01 Speaker 2: Though, when we start the analysis and working through that,

41:06 Speaker 2: it's obviously human tech and the other part of that

41:10 Speaker 2: is going to be what we identified. We believe and

41:13 Speaker 2: this does happen a lot. You just don't hear about it,

41:15 Speaker 2: or if you don't have your head in that industry.

41:19 Speaker 2: Stuff breaks all the time. The harder you have a performance,

41:23 Speaker 2: the more performance, the more it breaks. And most of

41:26 Speaker 2: your nice craft, whether it be you know, the SR

41:29 Speaker 2: the one P seventeen is because they just can't keep

41:32 Speaker 2: up the maintenance. Even the B two is usually down

41:36 Speaker 2: for two or three times as much as it flies.

41:38 Speaker 2: So when you hear about how impressed it was that

41:41 Speaker 2: they did those missions in the roads, because normally you

41:43 Speaker 2: have to bring it back and replace all sorts of stuff.

41:45 Speaker 2: So what that said to us It was a communication

41:50 Speaker 2: we'll say data link failure where it was traveling. And

41:54 Speaker 2: this happens to drones. We lose them in on countries

41:56 Speaker 2: all the time. Because of this, you don't know where

41:59 Speaker 2: to go because this isn't a conventional motor. The idea

42:04 Speaker 2: would be you just sit down at that level waiting

42:06 Speaker 2: to go. Now, that failure of the panel we think

42:10 Speaker 2: was involved in it. Whether you know it's hit something,

42:15 Speaker 2: something's wrong, we don't know. But we also don't know

42:19 Speaker 2: what was going on inside of it, because usually when

42:22 Speaker 2: something like this would go down, you would have a team,

42:24 Speaker 2: which we are worried about, a response team showing up.

42:27 Speaker 2: And here we are with all.

42:28 Speaker 1: This equipment popping through.

42:31 Speaker 2: It's gotta be someone's got to be watching it from

42:33 Speaker 2: above with some sort of reaper or satellite link, So

42:38 Speaker 2: you know, these were things I was waiting on as

42:40 Speaker 2: we're kind of being careful, is like correct. The other

42:47 Speaker 2: part of that is you're also trying to figure out

42:49 Speaker 2: the problem. You always have remote, remote ways to fix stuff,

42:54 Speaker 2: and it seemed that when this panel came off that

42:58 Speaker 2: that seemed to fix whatever the issue she was. I

43:00 Speaker 2: can't explain you how it fixed it, but it was

43:02 Speaker 2: right after this panel came off that it was actually

43:05 Speaker 2: able to essentially take back off and be gone.

43:08 Speaker 1: What did it look like when it took off?

43:13 Speaker 2: So you do have and I've struggled to describe exactly

43:19 Speaker 2: because I used to say cavity, but that confused people

43:22 Speaker 2: because that cavity is more, you know, embedded versus a bubble.

43:25 Speaker 2: So now I'm just going to say a bubble, not

43:28 Speaker 2: a bubble obviously, But if you think about kind of

43:34 Speaker 2: what you can pick up from interference or radios on

43:37 Speaker 2: and whatnot and see it on a screen where they're

43:39 Speaker 2: actually a monitoring equipment, you know what electrical interference looks like.

43:43 Speaker 2: But this is visual to the eye still essentially a bubble,

43:49 Speaker 2: and then it's just very slight and then it's gone

43:52 Speaker 2: as fraver would say bloop.

43:55 Speaker 1: So it either instantaneously acceleratedeus where you can't process how

44:04 Speaker 1: fast it's moving, or it is literally disappearing into the

44:10 Speaker 1: fabric of now. Again, yeah, that's the more magical answer,

44:17 Speaker 1: but you honestly, you can't say one or the other.

44:21 Speaker 2: Right at this point. No, obviously we've gotten a lot

44:24 Speaker 2: further into that. But my point here is if you

44:28 Speaker 2: think about we'll just go very simple here. If someone

44:33 Speaker 2: shoots a gun, you know the bullets in the gun,

44:37 Speaker 2: you hear it, see it hit the bull's eye. At

44:39 Speaker 2: no point in time do your eyes catch it from

44:42 Speaker 2: point A to point B.

44:44 Speaker 1: So it just happens.

44:45 Speaker 2: There are things, and there's many within our world that

44:49 Speaker 2: we live in where if something is fast enough, it's

44:52 Speaker 2: how do you get that fast that quick? Right in

44:55 Speaker 2: that case, gunpowder, But your eyes aren't as good as

44:58 Speaker 2: a lot of people seem to think that they would be. Also,

45:01 Speaker 2: keep in mind, you're talking about nighttime in the dark,

45:04 Speaker 2: so you're trying to judge, okay, where it would be.

45:08 Speaker 2: So but it's gone, let's put it that way.

45:10 Speaker 1: But it shows several observables by the standards of people

45:18 Speaker 1: like Elizondo, who you know, were a part of a

45:22 Speaker 1: tip which was all SAP. We don't have to get

45:27 Speaker 1: into that.

45:29 Speaker 2: I've heard the observables almost all I would agree with.

45:32 Speaker 2: I know they're trying to add some more into it,

45:35 Speaker 2: but when you talk about a craft that can stop,

45:38 Speaker 2: you know, as we get into our development of what

45:40 Speaker 2: we've learned and what we've caught, which you shouldn't be

45:42 Speaker 2: able to do instantly, just like you shouldn't be able

45:45 Speaker 2: to instantly bloop and be gone. These observables are correct.

45:49 Speaker 1: Okay, how the craft is now gone? You're worried about

45:57 Speaker 1: a response team still, I would assume the.

46:00 Speaker 2: Whole time I've been worried about that exactly right, right.

46:03 Speaker 1: So where's the thought process of Like, take me through

46:08 Speaker 1: what your thought process was like and when did you

46:11 Speaker 1: determine let's grab this and get out.

46:16 Speaker 2: So you know, again growing up in the family that

46:19 Speaker 2: I did and some of the businesses I've been involved with.

46:22 Speaker 2: What people may not know is that even a lot

46:24 Speaker 2: of human technology is actually the stealth codings are toxic.

46:30 Speaker 2: You don't want to touch them. So like when the

46:32 Speaker 2: F one seventeen went down and they shot the one

46:35 Speaker 2: down and Serby or whatever it was, and the Chinese

46:37 Speaker 2: sent out people to the farmers trying to buy pieces

46:39 Speaker 2: of equipment or whatnot. So many people touched toxic material.

46:44 Speaker 2: So it was still the you know, although my brain

46:48 Speaker 2: hadn't processed everything. One thing you still know is like

46:51 Speaker 2: you got to be careful handling it. With this sort

46:54 Speaker 2: of handling of stuff, you know, there's still a massive

46:57 Speaker 2: danger here. You also don't know if it's burning hot.

46:59 Speaker 2: You know, you can tune it's not smoking, but I

47:01 Speaker 2: mean there's there's questions.

47:03 Speaker 1: Yeah, my toaster doesn't smoke.

47:05 Speaker 2: Right, if you just be safe, you can avoid most things. Again,

47:14 Speaker 2: by the chance of whether it was a gift or curse,

47:17 Speaker 2: I don't know. We're prepared for that because we deal

47:21 Speaker 2: with high voltage electricity in part of what the business

47:23 Speaker 2: does all the time.

47:24 Speaker 1: Right, how big is this thing? Can you I'm gonna

47:28 Speaker 1: get it possible to give me a.

47:30 Speaker 2: It's not it's not that big. More like when the

47:33 Speaker 2: shuttle comes in with heat shields, you know, you add

47:36 Speaker 2: up so many of them, so if one fails, it's

47:38 Speaker 2: a small thing. Now, all that information is on record,

47:42 Speaker 2: sci it's all it's all arro.

47:45 Speaker 1: But what for anyone who doesn't know what that is.

47:47 Speaker 1: I would assume that most people watching my show do.

47:50 Speaker 1: But what is that?

47:52 Speaker 2: Sure? So SCI is the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence,

47:55 Speaker 2: which is essentially the boss of all intelligence. And so

48:00 Speaker 2: when you go into that skiff, that's where everything that's

48:03 Speaker 2: happened in every country, every terroist attack, that's the briefing.

48:07 Speaker 2: That's the people you talk to in answer to. So

48:10 Speaker 2: naturally they wanted to know the exact same thing, okay

48:14 Speaker 2: in those question mines, So you're following that good. And

48:17 Speaker 2: then Air O course, is the Pentagon's version of the

48:20 Speaker 2: investigative force that looks into I don't even want to

48:24 Speaker 2: say UAP, but if it's in the air and it's unidentified,

48:27 Speaker 2: what is it?

48:29 Speaker 1: So again, you get this, you obtain this panel. Correct,

48:40 Speaker 1: Are you still in your mind thinking that I'm going

48:47 Speaker 1: like this, someone's going to be coming after me? Now, well,

48:52 Speaker 1: are you worried about that? When do you stop being

48:55 Speaker 1: worried about the response team?

48:57 Speaker 2: Here's kind of what my thinking was. The first spons

49:00 Speaker 2: team shows up and they say why did you pick

49:03 Speaker 2: that up? And I say, well, if I didn't, you

49:08 Speaker 2: have technology left in the middle of nowhere in a field.

49:13 Speaker 2: And at that point in time. I don't know if

49:14 Speaker 2: anybody else has seen it, right, I mean I was

49:18 Speaker 2: trying to monitor my eyes as anything flying over, not

49:21 Speaker 2: just surveillance, but like normal You know, if a pilot

49:25 Speaker 2: goes over in a commercial and you see cent a

49:26 Speaker 2: we're down there in the middle of a field too,

49:28 Speaker 2: he's probably going to call it into air traffick, right,

49:30 Speaker 2: I mean there's all sorts of scenarios. So that's that

49:32 Speaker 2: was going to be my explanation.

49:33 Speaker 1: See you you were, and you're not lying. You're a patriot.

49:39 Speaker 2: I'm glad you've brought it to this point because I

49:41 Speaker 2: want people to understand. At no point time during this

49:44 Speaker 2: did I ever think to myself, this is going to

49:46 Speaker 2: be my business. I'm going to take this and have

49:49 Speaker 2: it analyzed. It was just working through a crime scene. Right.

49:53 Speaker 2: If you show up and someone's in an accident, you

49:56 Speaker 2: just start getting him out of the car. I mean,

49:57 Speaker 2: it's it's just the process that seemed like what you

50:00 Speaker 2: should be going through, right.

50:01 Speaker 1: As a good Samaritan. Right.

50:03 Speaker 2: It has nothing to do with me playning this or

50:06 Speaker 2: planning that. I am literally caught up in the moment

50:08 Speaker 2: of what's going on.

50:10 Speaker 1: Right, So okay, so what happens next you're you're clearly

50:17 Speaker 1: you know, smart enough to have picked us up. How

50:20 Speaker 1: long does the from start to finish? How long is

50:24 Speaker 1: this encounter?

50:27 Speaker 2: And again, yeah, so it's a long encounter because of

50:34 Speaker 2: how much we're sitting there, how many we're waiting, right,

50:36 Speaker 2: So we let three to five minutes go by because

50:40 Speaker 2: I think it's this close. So in three minutes it

50:42 Speaker 2: should be over us, but someone else in the van.

50:43 Speaker 2: If you've ever tried to judge lights far off right,

50:46 Speaker 2: it's not as easy. Okay, well, it's five minutes by now,

50:49 Speaker 2: and it should at least be you know, closer brighter.

50:52 Speaker 2: So there's a lot of killed time there, but the

50:53 Speaker 2: actual out with it in person is right about ten

50:57 Speaker 2: minutes time. You know, we could throw thousand different times

51:01 Speaker 2: out there, but you include how much do you not?

51:04 Speaker 2: How much of that? It's really important, but that's kind

51:07 Speaker 2: of the essence of it.

51:08 Speaker 1: But you had eyes on this thing for about.

51:13 Speaker 2: Fifteen minutes, yeah, from first starting to make out the

51:17 Speaker 2: craft because at that point time before that, we're just

51:20 Speaker 2: seeing lights and there's no real detail of what it is.

51:23 Speaker 1: Yeah, but all right, so you have a lot of

51:26 Speaker 1: data as well. You've obtained a lot of data on

51:30 Speaker 1: this thing in the air, it blimps off, you grab

51:35 Speaker 1: the panel, you're back in the vehicle and you're headed off.

51:41 Speaker 2: What happens next, well, as all excitement comes down to

51:46 Speaker 2: when there's going to be some possible fallout, everybody wants

51:52 Speaker 2: to know who's going to be the point man. Right,

51:55 Speaker 2: things are going to happen, You're going to have to

51:56 Speaker 2: speak to somebody again.

51:59 Speaker 1: So you're in the car talking about this, right, And it's.

52:02 Speaker 2: Not really like someone doesn't want to involved in it.

52:04 Speaker 2: It's just like you get back in and a lot

52:06 Speaker 2: of other people are like, yeah, man, I don't want

52:10 Speaker 2: to deal with you know, you to instantly start thinking

52:12 Speaker 2: the worst, like I don't want to deal with the FBI.

52:14 Speaker 2: I don't want to deal with them, man, like you know,

52:17 Speaker 2: and I was like, I'll handle it. I'll handle it

52:20 Speaker 2: right because you got to call somebody, you know. It's

52:23 Speaker 2: just the way again, we weren't thinking about let's have

52:25 Speaker 2: this and you know, these allegations against me. You're just

52:27 Speaker 2: thinking like, okay, so I don't do when I get

52:30 Speaker 2: home it's early hours of the morning. I was gonna

52:33 Speaker 2: try and sleep. You guys, you can imagine even with

52:36 Speaker 2: me that you just can't you can't sleep, you know,

52:39 Speaker 2: you're playing this in your mind, you're going through the data.

52:44 Speaker 2: At that point time, I would say three of the

52:47 Speaker 2: four of us in the vehicle were convinced it's human tech.

52:50 Speaker 2: But because of what we've seen, there's still one that's like,

52:55 Speaker 2: you know, not that it was a push of its

52:57 Speaker 2: alien It's just like I haven't seen enough to say

53:00 Speaker 2: it's human tech at this point.

53:04 Speaker 1: But at this point there are there is a debate

53:07 Speaker 1: amongst your your group that this might not be human.

53:12 Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean again, we look at stuff and fairness,

53:15 Speaker 2: and everybody's got different knowledge bases, you know. So like

53:21 Speaker 2: for example, when I went into Aero and they wanted

53:23 Speaker 2: to see photos and this exactly what they said. There's

53:25 Speaker 2: a certain way that everybody does stuff. So like there's

53:27 Speaker 2: a certain way China or US or Russia nips and

53:29 Speaker 2: texts their aircraft. You can still tell things from it.

53:34 Speaker 2: So some of the people that we had with us

53:36 Speaker 2: felt like that's definitely not just human but US tech.

53:40 Speaker 2: So it kind of depends on what you're looking for

53:43 Speaker 2: and what your markers are of to get you to

53:46 Speaker 2: where you're at.

53:47 Speaker 1: So so you take point, you take point, you guys.

53:54 Speaker 2: I on the company, R I on it. It's my

53:56 Speaker 2: I'll deal with it.

53:57 Speaker 1: Yeah, what what was your first move now that you

54:03 Speaker 1: had obtained let's just say, because we'll just call it

54:07 Speaker 1: the material, right, Yeah, you've got the material the next day?

54:15 Speaker 1: Or or what's the decision that you make first? Who

54:19 Speaker 1: do you call? Who are you calling?

54:21 Speaker 2: My first thing was did anybody else see this?

54:24 Speaker 1: Oh? Did anybody? Well?

54:26 Speaker 2: I'm thinking through it, right, you know, on the way

54:28 Speaker 2: home at drive home, I was like, all right, I'll

54:30 Speaker 2: call the d D tomorrow or the FBI. Then I

54:33 Speaker 2: get home and I was like, you know, that doesn't

54:35 Speaker 2: necessarily seem like the greatest I did. Did anybody else

54:39 Speaker 2: see this?

54:40 Speaker 1: You know?

54:40 Speaker 2: Like, so I was thinking to myself, well, the Internet's undefeated, right,

54:45 Speaker 2: started to kind of look around message boards, thinking to myself,

54:48 Speaker 2: surely this is going to be you know, someone's got

54:52 Speaker 2: to say something about it. And you're running search, you

54:54 Speaker 2: know for this word and that word lights.

54:56 Speaker 1: In the sky Kansas, right, nothing?

55:00 Speaker 2: And so then I talked to another person who's kind

55:03 Speaker 2: of was involved within just the community and kind of

55:06 Speaker 2: like a morning show person that knew everything got all

55:08 Speaker 2: the tips and like, I haven't heard a thing about it.

55:11 Speaker 2: And then they actually had called the Air Force base

55:14 Speaker 2: by there in their Air Force bace. Not that they

55:16 Speaker 2: would have told them, but it was like, yeah, we

55:17 Speaker 2: don't know what you're talking about, so and not actually

55:21 Speaker 2: that I didn't want that answer. I was kind of like, shit,

55:23 Speaker 2: we're the only we're the only ones, right.

55:28 Speaker 1: So we're the only ones. Now we have a real duty.

55:31 Speaker 2: Now I've got to make the call.

55:33 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, and who do you call? Well?

55:37 Speaker 2: So again right, right? And this is the problem with movies,

55:42 Speaker 2: believe it or not. There's no way to really talk

55:46 Speaker 2: to your government as a civilian. There's no magic phone number.

55:52 Speaker 1: No, yeah, there's no there's yeah, there's no Superman phone

55:56 Speaker 1: right or another there you call in yeah, correct.

56:00 Speaker 2: And even if you look through your intelligence agencies right now,

56:03 Speaker 2: they all have an eight hundred number. You can't call

56:05 Speaker 2: your local office, you know, your local headquarters or regional office.

56:11 Speaker 2: So I try the d D a little bit. They

56:14 Speaker 2: have no idea, what what you know how to help me?

56:17 Speaker 2: And that's an essence of what I call the FBI,

56:19 Speaker 2: because keep in mind, there's there's different.

56:22 Speaker 1: I'm sorry the Department of Defense can't help.

56:26 Speaker 2: Here's here's why, and it's relayed when I when I

56:29 Speaker 2: spoke to the FBI, it was now the dow but

56:32 Speaker 2: right the correct Here's what I'm saying, and you be

56:36 Speaker 2: the FBI. Here, I'm in Kansas, it's early hours of

56:41 Speaker 2: the morning. I have essentially seen a UFO. Okay, here's

56:46 Speaker 2: what you do. Click. That's what it gets to, sir.

56:51 Speaker 2: I can't help you, Sir, I don't. Okay, yep, that's it.

56:55 Speaker 4: Now.

56:55 Speaker 2: At that point in time, I hadn't said anything about

56:57 Speaker 2: pieces or whatnot, because you're just trying to get this

57:01 Speaker 2: conversation started. You're trying to have them take you serious.

57:06 Speaker 2: And at that point in time, no matter what I

57:08 Speaker 2: would have yelled out, it would have been like yelling

57:09 Speaker 2: out I've been abducted. You could tell they were just

57:13 Speaker 2: like over it. You're a crazy guy. At three am,

57:17 Speaker 2: I don't think uncrafts.

57:19 Speaker 1: What year is this?

57:21 Speaker 2: I always say, early two thousands. And the reason so

57:26 Speaker 2: that this first happening.

57:28 Speaker 1: Yeah, early two thousands.

57:32 Speaker 2: Correct, And the reason so.

57:36 Speaker 1: The stigma is so big right then? Yeah?

57:39 Speaker 2: Can you imagine they're not even remotely entertaining it. No

57:44 Speaker 2: one's heard of any arro Burlison is still probably it

57:50 Speaker 2: may haven't been before he was in the Missouri you know,

57:52 Speaker 2: stay house, Like, this is before everybody's come out and

57:54 Speaker 2: started to make this a word.

57:56 Speaker 1: This is so one question. Yeah, yeah, before or after

58:03 Speaker 1: nine to eleven.

58:05 Speaker 2: I don't date it with that, But what I do

58:07 Speaker 2: say is it was before the Kniemts encounter.

58:13 Speaker 1: Okay, okay, okay, okay.

58:16 Speaker 2: I want to I want people to understand the reason

58:18 Speaker 2: why for this. And if you you know, everybody listens

58:20 Speaker 2: to like whether it be Tim Phillips or San kra

58:23 Speaker 2: Patrick talk, it's always oh, let's get those guys. And

58:26 Speaker 2: I'm not saying there's not a reason for it. Ry

58:28 Speaker 2: I got my own part of that. But there's certain

58:30 Speaker 2: things they say that people don't realize what they're saying,

58:34 Speaker 2: and one of them is they'll say, for those of

58:36 Speaker 2: you that haven't come out to the public eye, we

58:39 Speaker 2: thank you. And a lot of people jump on that

58:40 Speaker 2: and say, oh, they don't want them telling us the

58:42 Speaker 2: public what's going on. But the reason is, and the

58:45 Speaker 2: real reality of how these things work is the first

58:48 Speaker 2: step of any radar system, of any discovery is an algorithm.

58:53 Speaker 2: So if I know every single one of these dates

58:57 Speaker 2: of when something was in the air and the date, time, location.

59:01 Speaker 2: I can see what's in the sky for satellites, communication links.

59:07 Speaker 2: I can start figuring out information you do not want

59:10 Speaker 2: the enemies to have. And as we sit here right now,

59:14 Speaker 2: the NIMETS is so publicized, they've got one point that's

59:17 Speaker 2: in every algorithm. We don't want to give them conditional

59:21 Speaker 2: points to figure out how does this thing fly? I mean,

59:23 Speaker 2: this is how you break stuff down, the same thing

59:25 Speaker 2: we did. So that's the reason for not giving everybody

59:29 Speaker 2: an exact day and time.

59:32 Speaker 1: Okay, fair, yeah, fair. So before the kniemts that actually

59:38 Speaker 1: I did not that fact must have escaped me. I

59:43 Speaker 1: was thinking like twenty fifteen. So no, but the stigma,

59:48 Speaker 1: so the stigma is real.

59:50 Speaker 2: Still, it's not even a stigma at that point time,

59:54 Speaker 2: you know, with with people that are within our team

59:58 Speaker 2: and the jobs that they have and God bless Kansas,

1:00:02 Speaker 2: but it's it's a little bit behind the progressive movements

1:00:05 Speaker 2: of anything. If you say you're seeing if you start

1:00:08 Speaker 2: saying you're seeing UFOs, you're probably losing your job or questions. Okay,

1:00:15 Speaker 2: so it's you just you would never.

1:00:18 Speaker 1: Your credit bilt is practice.

1:00:19 Speaker 2: It's gone.

1:00:20 Speaker 1: Yeah. So but to like in context of calling like

1:00:26 Speaker 1: federal agencies, they're also still at this time, Yeah, they're

1:00:33 Speaker 1: still denying that they're investigating that. They take it seriously

1:00:40 Speaker 1: and publicly facing they have they have nothing to do.

1:00:45 Speaker 1: They'll they literally refer you to move on.

1:00:48 Speaker 2: That's what they did. Basically. They didn't say moving not

1:00:52 Speaker 2: to move on by name, but you basically go talk

1:00:55 Speaker 2: to the other crazy people guy. Right, you know we

1:00:57 Speaker 2: got you got me on the phone for ten minutes.

1:00:59 Speaker 1: Leave.

1:00:59 Speaker 2: You know that I can't help.

1:01:01 Speaker 1: You even though you said you had material.

1:01:03 Speaker 2: Not at that point time, because it never got to that.

1:01:06 Speaker 2: We're trying to work it through because I don't want

1:01:09 Speaker 2: to just board out, oh I got material. I want

1:01:11 Speaker 2: to let them know we picked it up for this reason. Right,

1:01:15 Speaker 2: we have it.

1:01:16 Speaker 1: You know you want to I have material?

1:01:21 Speaker 2: Correct, But again you could just tell it was of

1:01:25 Speaker 2: no interest. They just viewed me as a crazy guy. Now,

1:01:29 Speaker 2: the FBI is going to come up several times in

1:01:32 Speaker 2: this story, and it's interesting to see how that went

1:01:34 Speaker 2: three sixty towards the end, but that was my start

1:01:38 Speaker 2: of the FBI. I was getting hung up.

1:01:39 Speaker 1: On Okay, so what how before we go to the

1:01:48 Speaker 1: up to the break and then because when we get back,

1:01:52 Speaker 1: we're going to get real, real deep uh into this.

1:01:56 Speaker 1: But how many when is it that you go, Okay,

1:02:03 Speaker 1: if no one's gonna take me seriously, I might as

1:02:06 Speaker 1: well get this. I might as well use this to

1:02:11 Speaker 1: my benefit to some degree.

1:02:13 Speaker 2: It's after those calls, you know, I made a couple

1:02:15 Speaker 2: other calls because legitly I'm trying to get someone on

1:02:19 Speaker 2: the phone at some military branch or whatnot. I have

1:02:23 Speaker 2: an actual conversation, a serious conversation. Nobody wants to talk

1:02:28 Speaker 2: to a UFO person. So we get through all that,

1:02:32 Speaker 2: and we've got several acknowledgments. I always keep my receipts

1:02:36 Speaker 2: of basically like, well, it's not ours, not in the

1:02:39 Speaker 2: sense of like we're revealing information to you, but like

1:02:42 Speaker 2: you know, you call the Air Force base and they're like, well,

1:02:44 Speaker 2: I know to tell you guy, but it's not ours, right,

1:02:45 Speaker 2: So it's like, Okay, nobody's claiming it, nobody wants to

1:02:49 Speaker 2: have a serious talk. Let's start looking at what we

1:02:52 Speaker 2: actually have, right, Because as you'll see, you know, as

1:02:56 Speaker 2: this moves forward and I start releasing more stuff. When

1:03:00 Speaker 2: I started to bring in information, that's what caught people's attention.

1:03:04 Speaker 2: So this is the pinnacle, the genesis block of like, well,

1:03:08 Speaker 2: let's just start going at it like we would not

1:03:10 Speaker 2: a full blown company. We didn't open the headquarters, we

1:03:13 Speaker 2: didn't register. You know, my companies are all registered and

1:03:17 Speaker 2: you know Wyoming, So it's an anonymous LLC, none of that.

1:03:20 Speaker 2: It's just us saying let's get the information on it,

1:03:23 Speaker 2: go back again to them, present it, and then hopefully

1:03:26 Speaker 2: we get to the person that says, oh shit, these

1:03:29 Speaker 2: guys are telling the true Yeah.

1:03:31 Speaker 1: We should have taken them seriously.

1:03:32 Speaker 2: Let's get them on the phone to the right people.

1:03:35 Speaker 1: Because yeah, because ultimately, again you want to like this

1:03:41 Speaker 1: is what you do you want that. Look at colaborative effort.

1:03:44 Speaker 2: Look at aerol. Right, if you go in with the story,

1:03:47 Speaker 2: what they can say whatever they want. Yeah, right, Yeah,

1:03:50 Speaker 2: you go in with evidence, it's a different conversation. So

1:03:53 Speaker 2: even at the lowest level of over the phone, if

1:03:56 Speaker 2: you can't go in and say well can you have

1:03:58 Speaker 2: someone visit me or can I go on and you know,

1:04:01 Speaker 2: speak to you and I'll bring my information, you have

1:04:05 Speaker 2: a story that they consider a nothing Burger right, right,

1:04:08 Speaker 2: So that's that's where it started.

1:04:10 Speaker 1: Now did did who? Who analyzed? So you when you

1:04:17 Speaker 1: start analyzing this, how do you go about that? Are

1:04:22 Speaker 1: you contacting certain labs? Are you going to universities or

1:04:26 Speaker 1: are you working with moufon or.

1:04:28 Speaker 2: What's they're not there? Again, this is because there was

1:04:33 Speaker 2: one person that wasn't convinced of what it was. And

1:04:38 Speaker 2: in fairness, we did have a particular member look at

1:04:43 Speaker 2: you know, you cover this alien sort of what ifs

1:04:47 Speaker 2: and we'll just start looking at hard science. So my

1:04:49 Speaker 2: team was not that. My team's the hard science team. Right.

1:04:52 Speaker 2: So some things you can do yourself. Other things like

1:04:56 Speaker 2: an actual analysis of a piece of craft that's a

1:05:00 Speaker 2: good one, is beyond a person's capabilities for what you

1:05:03 Speaker 2: would spend on what you would need to do that.

1:05:06 Speaker 2: So that was sin Off. That's on record SSCI, that's

1:05:10 Speaker 2: on record at AERO. This has all been set none

1:05:13 Speaker 2: of this is. This may be new to everybody listening

1:05:16 Speaker 2: to this, but again I have never tried to keep

1:05:19 Speaker 2: secrets from the government in some sort of conspiratorial way.

1:05:25 Speaker 1: Right, You've consistently showed the want to do the right thing.

1:05:29 Speaker 1: It's the non acknowledgment and the almost reverse kind of

1:05:35 Speaker 1: like discrediting, like saying like you.

1:05:37 Speaker 2: Know, it's well, there's two discreditings. There's the discrediting when

1:05:41 Speaker 2: you think I don't have to deal with this person,

1:05:44 Speaker 2: and then when we drop the fucking hammer, then it's

1:05:47 Speaker 2: the discrediting of I don't want anybody listening to this guy,

1:05:50 Speaker 2: and it's the absolute panic of oh shit, right, he's

1:05:53 Speaker 2: got everything he needs.

1:05:55 Speaker 1: Right, So what happens with the hard science? You don't

1:06:00 Speaker 1: have to you know again, I will cut things out

1:06:04 Speaker 1: if needed.

1:06:05 Speaker 2: Yeah, if anything I say, and all my interviews I

1:06:08 Speaker 2: always tell people just you know, so people understand because

1:06:12 Speaker 2: you're obviously a friendly guy but also a journalist, like

1:06:16 Speaker 2: I've kind of always encouraged people. You got a question,

1:06:19 Speaker 2: ask me, especially if it's a hard question. I'm not

1:06:22 Speaker 2: here for any sort of you know, gimme. So if

1:06:25 Speaker 2: people pick up on that, that's what I've preferred. How

1:06:28 Speaker 2: this go. So the hard science is you start also

1:06:34 Speaker 2: answering your questions, just like a thesis, And what it

1:06:36 Speaker 2: was is why would this be here? You know, that's

1:06:41 Speaker 2: of all the questions believe or not, that's actually the

1:06:43 Speaker 2: number one question because that's also is this a route?

1:06:47 Speaker 2: Is this a known route? Is this how it travels?

1:06:50 Speaker 2: And this was also part of you know, what the

1:06:52 Speaker 2: other team was doing looking at we need to know

1:06:55 Speaker 2: whites here in Kansas. So we started thinking, okay, you know,

1:07:00 Speaker 2: we've got people with us that raid our people. The

1:07:03 Speaker 2: first step of you know, rader, like I said, is

1:07:05 Speaker 2: the algorithm. So what we needed to see is will

1:07:08 Speaker 2: lightning strike twice? Right? If we don't get a hit

1:07:12 Speaker 2: on it here, that probably could have been the end

1:07:14 Speaker 2: of everything other than our piece. If we can get

1:07:17 Speaker 2: a hit on it here, now you start building you

1:07:20 Speaker 2: know what particular GPS satellites turns. I mean, you start

1:07:24 Speaker 2: forming all that that I was saying, we got to

1:07:26 Speaker 2: be worried about releasing. So we had the piece, which means,

1:07:32 Speaker 2: you know, we had to analyze. We had a lot

1:07:33 Speaker 2: of data, so we know what the signatures are going

1:07:36 Speaker 2: to be of this. We're still in the infancy, so

1:07:40 Speaker 2: we don't just have massive, you know, a rays of

1:07:43 Speaker 2: things we can put out. So in that sense, we

1:07:45 Speaker 2: joked about Ghostbusters, but that's kind of what the original

1:07:48 Speaker 2: it was like a Ghostbuster car of trying to run

1:07:53 Speaker 2: it down. In that same particular area.

1:07:56 Speaker 1: So so you went looking for it.

1:07:59 Speaker 2: Yeah, knowing what it should you know, we had some

1:08:02 Speaker 2: benefits because you gotta be careful what you say because

1:08:05 Speaker 2: you can receive signal, but when you start sending signals,

1:08:07 Speaker 2: there's a lot of license and whatnot you have to have.

1:08:10 Speaker 2: So when I skip over things, it's intentional. But if

1:08:15 Speaker 2: hypothetically you knew what the signature was, you can get

1:08:18 Speaker 2: pretty high in the sky to try and identify that

1:08:22 Speaker 2: same signature. So it's not that we're waiting for another

1:08:26 Speaker 2: down craft floating off the ground. We're just trying to

1:08:29 Speaker 2: see does it cross this path again?

1:08:32 Speaker 1: Right? Is this repeatable? Is this something that?

1:08:35 Speaker 2: Is this the flight path? And for people that don't

1:08:39 Speaker 2: know that's that's still common stuff like you have flight

1:08:44 Speaker 2: paths for a reason, and going over Kansas is a

1:08:47 Speaker 2: damn good reason. Right, who's really going to see you outside?

1:08:50 Speaker 2: And I mean, these are the reasons why you pick pass,

1:08:53 Speaker 2: especially with testing aircraft or explaining so.

1:08:56 Speaker 1: Right and again, middle of the night, right, what hours

1:09:00 Speaker 1: is from the original.

1:09:02 Speaker 2: So when this whole thing went down, it's about a

1:09:05 Speaker 2: three am.

1:09:07 Speaker 1: That's exactly when I would do it if I was right. Everyone,

1:09:12 Speaker 1: most people are a sleep. If not, they're hammered. If

1:09:20 Speaker 1: they're up at three am, there's a chance.

1:09:21 Speaker 2: That that that's again the story has just been doubted

1:09:25 Speaker 2: because you're a person up at three am, and what

1:09:26 Speaker 2: are most people at three am are coming up from

1:09:28 Speaker 2: the bar. So again it doesn't you you just have

1:09:31 Speaker 2: a story without data.

1:09:32 Speaker 1: Yeah, and exactly, it's just it's that that would be

1:09:35 Speaker 1: my time. So again you're seeing all these things.

1:09:39 Speaker 2: I try and give people a reference to how this

1:09:40 Speaker 2: really works, you know, because my mind and my experience

1:09:45 Speaker 2: is in that industry, and for anyone that follows, like

1:09:48 Speaker 2: the war Zone, you know, I don't agree with everything,

1:09:50 Speaker 2: but he'll do some real world stuff and one of

1:09:54 Speaker 2: them is there's an actual team that will go out

1:09:58 Speaker 2: least the night Stalkers and train in urban environments where

1:10:02 Speaker 2: people are at un announced. In the particular story he

1:10:07 Speaker 2: covered was he got pictures back of basically people in

1:10:09 Speaker 2: all black repelling down from nighthawks. I believe it was

1:10:12 Speaker 2: in Miami or something like that. So he immediately thought

1:10:16 Speaker 2: this is a fake, nonsense story. But when he started

1:10:20 Speaker 2: checking into it, they verified, Yeah, that's that's how they trained.

1:10:24 Speaker 2: So they're simulating sneaking into a city or a building, undetected,

1:10:29 Speaker 2: real fucking world that they're going to have to do

1:10:31 Speaker 2: in another country to see how it go. So again,

1:10:35 Speaker 2: for people that say, oh, no one would do that,

1:10:38 Speaker 2: this is exactly how they do stuff for obvious reasons. Now,

1:10:41 Speaker 2: them hitting some sort of problem in the craft being

1:10:45 Speaker 2: where it was at is an unfortunate, unattended thing for them.

1:10:49 Speaker 2: But this is how you test stuff.

1:10:51 Speaker 1: Yeah, unfortunate exactly. Now, with that being said, one more

1:10:57 Speaker 1: thing before we hit the break in the time that

1:11:04 Speaker 1: you're getting hung up on by the three letter agencies

1:11:10 Speaker 1: alphabet agencies. And I know you say you're on the

1:11:14 Speaker 1: hard science, but are you starting to develop more of

1:11:22 Speaker 1: an interest in UFO and UAP. Are you starting to

1:11:27 Speaker 1: look into certain cases to see if you can find

1:11:30 Speaker 1: any similarities? Like has that come up yet? I know

1:11:35 Speaker 1: it's come up. You have a prison, So are you

1:11:38 Speaker 1: starting to dive down that hole?

1:11:40 Speaker 2: Well, keep in mind when I say I'm certain it's

1:11:43 Speaker 2: human tech, maybe ninety nine point nine percent, but as

1:11:47 Speaker 2: anyone should be, never go to one hundred. I know

1:11:51 Speaker 2: I say a hundred because it's so close to it,

1:11:53 Speaker 2: but you always have to be willing to be wrong.

1:11:57 Speaker 2: You know, an open mind the end of it that

1:12:00 Speaker 2: we brought in for this one. I'm referring to the

1:12:02 Speaker 2: alien UFO side is a person that we see a

1:12:07 Speaker 2: lot of times. They're not in the community, but like

1:12:09 Speaker 2: in the community, who could tell you cases that even

1:12:12 Speaker 2: some of the most studied people don't know or don't remember,

1:12:17 Speaker 2: like that sort of level of like just what I've

1:12:20 Speaker 2: told you something and you say, oh, well, are you

1:12:22 Speaker 2: familiar with this? Because they you know, this happened in

1:12:24 Speaker 2: those ark It's that same sort of thing. So that

1:12:27 Speaker 2: was kind of the level of person we brought in

1:12:30 Speaker 2: of could tell us anything. And what I looked at

1:12:34 Speaker 2: was went back to look at the old fire in

1:12:36 Speaker 2: the sky. And it wasn't I wanted to go and

1:12:38 Speaker 2: disprove it. It was just that's how it happened.

1:12:42 Speaker 1: So that's why you're going back and looking at these cresses.

1:12:45 Speaker 2: Who And then another one that came up was the

1:12:49 Speaker 2: Philadelphia experiment because all I can't see a lot about

1:12:52 Speaker 2: it today as we're relaying you know, how things work

1:12:56 Speaker 2: and what we've got on data. The person was like, oh,

1:12:58 Speaker 2: just like you you know you I do. It's like, oh, well,

1:13:00 Speaker 2: that reminds me of the Philadelphia experiment. So it's like, hmm,

1:13:04 Speaker 2: well we better look at.

1:13:07 Speaker 4: That.

1:13:07 Speaker 2: I mean, we couldn't look at everything, right, I mean,

1:13:09 Speaker 2: that's you know, but you're trying to pick out the

1:13:11 Speaker 2: best ones, whether it be the most talked about like

1:13:14 Speaker 2: the schoolcase, or ones that this person's saying that fits

1:13:17 Speaker 2: kind of what you're telling me.

1:13:18 Speaker 1: Right right? Right? Yeah? Wow with the Philadelphia experiment? What

1:13:26 Speaker 1: did you how did you even approach that? It's a

1:13:31 Speaker 1: wild story.

1:13:32 Speaker 2: It's a wild story, nonetheless, and do.

1:13:37 Speaker 1: You believe I mean, do you believe that that that

1:13:41 Speaker 1: we may have something like we know mk Ultra and

1:13:45 Speaker 1: things like that did happen? Right? We know that there.

1:13:49 Speaker 2: Are shady and keeping secrets for sure, and I've dealt

1:13:55 Speaker 2: with that a lot. It's where as this is progressed

1:14:02 Speaker 2: because of knowing what I know now, the sort of

1:14:04 Speaker 2: stuff you have to go into skiffs about not one time,

1:14:07 Speaker 2: they go and verify it, call you back again over years. Right,

1:14:12 Speaker 2: It's that I kind of had to let go of

1:14:16 Speaker 2: the hunt of where did this come from? Because that's

1:14:19 Speaker 2: the big thing. Did we develop this ourselves? Or is

1:14:22 Speaker 2: this from a craft that we've recovered or re engineered

1:14:27 Speaker 2: and The way I had to do that is I'll

1:14:31 Speaker 2: never know. I've got access to running things down and

1:14:34 Speaker 2: getting data right now, I don't have access as peoples

1:14:38 Speaker 2: finding out for their own selves of pulling files from

1:14:42 Speaker 2: the military government, Like how are you ever going to

1:14:44 Speaker 2: get into these files? You would have to know to

1:14:47 Speaker 2: see that, which is kind of what brought me here,

1:14:50 Speaker 2: which is that gene Sticcko and his book was just

1:14:54 Speaker 2: another guy to me on Internet. Look through it and

1:15:00 Speaker 2: there are some gene Sticko picked my picked at me

1:15:07 Speaker 2: a little bit because there are some things in those

1:15:09 Speaker 2: papers that piqued my interests. Now again, you know, I'll

1:15:14 Speaker 2: say if but you know, you start looking at stuff

1:15:18 Speaker 2: and it's you say, if there was ever a path

1:15:23 Speaker 2: look here. So I reached out to him, you know,

1:15:26 Speaker 2: spoke to him a little bit more.

1:15:27 Speaker 1: Do you think there's something to it?

1:15:29 Speaker 2: Well, here's what I'll say. If this truly was re engineered.

1:15:38 Speaker 2: People have to understand re engineering is not what it

1:15:41 Speaker 2: sounds like. First of all, it's damn near impossible, and

1:15:45 Speaker 2: the product you get out at the end of it

1:15:47 Speaker 2: is not going to be as good as you think about.

1:15:50 Speaker 2: When China China those our stealth there's things yeah, it

1:15:54 Speaker 2: may look exactly the same, but the coding is not

1:15:56 Speaker 2: in there. I mean, there's just certain things you can't get.

1:15:58 Speaker 2: So yeah, your guess, and you're still guessing a lot.

1:16:02 Speaker 2: So what that said, it would also have to go

1:16:04 Speaker 2: through a very long timeline.

1:16:08 Speaker 1: But that's also why panels could be falling off.

1:16:11 Speaker 2: True. So my view of that book and the information

1:16:14 Speaker 2: in that book is, if there really was a program

1:16:18 Speaker 2: in those dates, and you have to think it's anything

1:16:22 Speaker 2: like TVs or anything, is it's still the same as

1:16:25 Speaker 2: the Soviet area as it is now. No, So what

1:16:27 Speaker 2: I'm looking at is the two thousand, because it's twenty

1:16:30 Speaker 2: six right now version or early two thousands, that would

1:16:34 Speaker 2: be what it would look like, probably in the infasy

1:16:37 Speaker 2: of re engineering this, which is what it covers. So

1:16:40 Speaker 2: that's kind of there's got to be something that piques

1:16:44 Speaker 2: my interest. Like when I look through all those cases

1:16:46 Speaker 2: and I said it's bullshit, Well, you know, most of

1:16:49 Speaker 2: its stories, most of its claims. Here's some actual data

1:16:54 Speaker 2: that does have some things that match up.

1:16:57 Speaker 1: I have a question, are there any and maybe even

1:17:02 Speaker 1: gene can pop in here, because I just are there

1:17:06 Speaker 1: any nuclear equipped military bases in the area? That you are.

1:17:14 Speaker 2: So the short answer is no on nuclear. But it

1:17:18 Speaker 2: depends on you know, you throughout our process of tracking

1:17:23 Speaker 2: these and running them down. Yeah, but does that mean

1:17:26 Speaker 2: we'll just say fifty percent, Not that that's accurate, but

1:17:29 Speaker 2: we'll say, what do you look at the glass half

1:17:32 Speaker 2: full or empty? On if that has something to do

1:17:34 Speaker 2: with it, because just like you can find one that

1:17:35 Speaker 2: is close, then there's another one that's not. So I

1:17:40 Speaker 2: think it has more to do with when people see

1:17:42 Speaker 2: stuff like you should you analyze what does this spy

1:17:46 Speaker 2: and if it just happens to be the majority is

1:17:48 Speaker 2: by you know, something that's nuclear. Now we say, oh,

1:17:51 Speaker 2: it's got to be close to has an interest in nuclear,

1:17:54 Speaker 2: and that may be accurate.

1:17:56 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, right right, And I mean because that area

1:18:07 Speaker 1: is hard, it's like you said, it's all you're in

1:18:10 Speaker 1: no man's land.

1:18:11 Speaker 2: So it really does fit more with the narrative of

1:18:14 Speaker 2: if you didn't want anybody to see it, anybody go through,

1:18:16 Speaker 2: you know, one of the things.

1:18:17 Speaker 1: But you said like places like Lockeed and they all

1:18:21 Speaker 1: have places around there.

1:18:25 Speaker 2: Yeah, everybody fails there, not necessarily like a skunk works,

1:18:29 Speaker 2: but everybody's general aviation, military jets, and then that's you

1:18:33 Speaker 2: still have to build your secret stuff somewhere. A lot

1:18:35 Speaker 2: of spy planes come out of that area. I mean

1:18:39 Speaker 2: there's a lot of stuff. They don't sit out of

1:18:41 Speaker 2: the fences like they do at Area fifty one. But

1:18:44 Speaker 2: I'm telling you just from work in that area, they

1:18:45 Speaker 2: should right a lot of shit because if you want

1:18:48 Speaker 2: to fly someone out without someone noticing that you've just built,

1:18:50 Speaker 2: that's the place.

1:18:52 Speaker 1: That's the place that be a place to do it. Yeah, yeah,

1:18:55 Speaker 1: all right, So let's let's take our break right here.

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1:19:19 Speaker 1: Let everyone go to the go to the bathroom, reset,

1:19:22 Speaker 1: and then when we get back, I'd like to talk

1:19:24 Speaker 1: about some of the so when you came out to Arrow,

1:19:30 Speaker 1: you know, I want to start talking about the post

1:19:32 Speaker 1: twenty seventeen.

1:19:35 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good place, and why everybody knows who

1:19:37 Speaker 2: I am, but they're so confused. We got to stress

1:19:40 Speaker 2: something exactly.

1:19:40 Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll skip over the because you know it was

1:19:43 Speaker 1: the time before right where they're kind of still hanging

1:19:47 Speaker 1: up the phone. But the New York Times article happens,

1:19:50 Speaker 1: the disclosure, the modern disclosure movement starts happening. I'm assuming

1:19:56 Speaker 1: that's when you go back and you go, hey.

1:20:00 Speaker 2: It's kind of like, here's here's the exact parlay into it.

1:20:02 Speaker 2: We're starting to work the company, we're realizing we can

1:20:04 Speaker 2: do things no one else can do, and we're still

1:20:07 Speaker 2: trying to like help out and be like, you know

1:20:08 Speaker 2: that thing you think is not trackable, guess what it

1:20:12 Speaker 2: is and will help you, because at that point in time,

1:20:14 Speaker 2: we're starting to get money into it. And then it

1:20:16 Speaker 2: ends up where I get investigated by a FOSI and

1:20:20 Speaker 2: cis even as a civilian, and you.

1:20:22 Speaker 5: Start getting threats, and then they ended up because of jurisdiction,

1:20:26 Speaker 5: and at in person they made me fucking go in

1:20:28 Speaker 5: with the Department of Justice and the FBI office and

1:20:32 Speaker 5: all the you know, suits of attorney generals and fucking talk.

1:20:36 Speaker 2: To them really, and that's when the FBI threatened said

1:20:41 Speaker 2: that they accused me of blackmailing the United States government.

1:20:45 Speaker 2: And keep in mind he didn't save me the whole

1:20:47 Speaker 2: fucking time. He could have said this, you know early.

1:20:50 Speaker 2: I mean I was in there for a couple of hours.

1:20:51 Speaker 2: He was like, based on everything I've heard, you haven't

1:20:55 Speaker 2: committed any crimes. You do have a right to have

1:20:59 Speaker 2: a business in a product and sell that to the

1:21:03 Speaker 2: United States government even if they don't like what your

1:21:07 Speaker 2: capabilities are. And basically because of that, I was like,

1:21:12 Speaker 2: oh fuck, hey, basically you still got to fall rules,

1:21:17 Speaker 2: like you know what iar is. And he started telling

1:21:19 Speaker 2: me like, you're going to have to go through that.

1:21:21 Speaker 2: And then as I'm leaving, he was like, because we're

1:21:23 Speaker 2: going to be watching.

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1:22:58 Speaker 1: and the first sor thing I really want to ask

1:23:01 Speaker 1: about is that you've said OSI verified death threats and

1:23:09 Speaker 1: you know adversary financial offers. Can you walk us through

1:23:13 Speaker 1: the first time that you felt your life was in danger.

1:23:17 Speaker 2: You know, it never comes with a death threat to start.

1:23:20 Speaker 2: So how they starts financial offers investments in the companies,

1:23:23 Speaker 2: which is all normal protocol, you know, we all quickly learned.

1:23:27 Speaker 2: So when you start getting people approaching you because they

1:23:33 Speaker 2: have to find a way to get to you what

1:23:34 Speaker 2: there really shouldn't be one, then it some red flags

1:23:37 Speaker 2: go up. And then when you find out they want

1:23:39 Speaker 2: to invest red flag, So it starts very mundane. Now

1:23:47 Speaker 2: as things progress and you realize exactly what's going on,

1:23:51 Speaker 2: so you say no. Then it becomes where they essentially

1:23:57 Speaker 2: go to the next step and the next step of

1:23:59 Speaker 2: death threat. That happens to do with they're following you around.

1:24:03 Speaker 2: You have a tael you know when I used to

1:24:05 Speaker 2: go back and forth the skiff and the heart building

1:24:09 Speaker 2: the SSCI skiff. I used to tell those guys, this

1:24:12 Speaker 2: is the most half assed setup I've ever seen. Right,

1:24:16 Speaker 2: I walk in two doors, you don't have to have

1:24:18 Speaker 2: any ID. Then you go to security. The security is

1:24:21 Speaker 2: a booth setup with like a five layer ceiling. You

1:24:26 Speaker 2: can see right over, right past it, right through it.

1:24:29 Speaker 2: You go through the metal detector, which is all it is,

1:24:31 Speaker 2: and the X ray and then you're in. So the

1:24:35 Speaker 2: SSCI skiff is right there on the second floor. It's

1:24:38 Speaker 2: not a secret, and you can sit there and watch

1:24:42 Speaker 2: who goes in, who comes out. They even publicize when

1:24:45 Speaker 2: their weekly meetings are on Tuesdays and what time it is.

1:24:48 Speaker 2: There goes Rubio, there goes Warner. Right, It's ridiculous. So

1:24:53 Speaker 2: part of that is what would you think then state

1:24:56 Speaker 2: actors would do on a daily basis, keep an eye

1:25:00 Speaker 2: on who's going in and out because you can hang

1:25:03 Speaker 2: out in that building all the time. Someone goes into

1:25:06 Speaker 2: that skiff it's something big. You don't get into that

1:25:12 Speaker 2: skiff if it's not major national security. So moving forward

1:25:18 Speaker 2: on this multi layer, they're chasing me around because they've

1:25:23 Speaker 2: come up with who I am name wise from some

1:25:25 Speaker 2: other activities that went on which I'm not going to

1:25:27 Speaker 2: release today of who I am, and then just kind

1:25:32 Speaker 2: of process. They've obviously got someone watching the skiff at

1:25:36 Speaker 2: the other side, and these things start to work out

1:25:38 Speaker 2: or where they start to figure out essentially that I'm

1:25:41 Speaker 2: ratting them out. I'm going into SCI like with the Langley,

1:25:45 Speaker 2: you know, I'm telling them who's doing what and what's

1:25:47 Speaker 2: in the sky, and they're getting pretty pissed. So now

1:25:50 Speaker 2: not only have I not took the financial offer for

1:25:53 Speaker 2: them to grab my tech, I'm using it against them.

1:25:56 Speaker 2: And at that point in time it progresses into.

1:26:00 Speaker 1: Threats, right, and how did that come?

1:26:03 Speaker 2: They come usually over the phone, and they've got your

1:26:07 Speaker 2: phone number. They tell you we've got your phone number,

1:26:10 Speaker 2: we can track you by your phone number, and they

1:26:13 Speaker 2: start making the threats. You know, I was just speaking

1:26:16 Speaker 2: with Gene about it. This is kind of the industry

1:26:18 Speaker 2: he's from. But they tell you can't handle the consequences.

1:26:22 Speaker 2: They can tell you they're going to find you by

1:26:23 Speaker 2: your phone. This is just more pressure to get you.

1:26:27 Speaker 2: So it's crailed, it's veil, but it's always clear at

1:26:30 Speaker 2: the end because at the end they tell you we're

1:26:32 Speaker 2: going to wipe you off the face of the earth.

1:26:33 Speaker 2: They tell you what sort of horrible things they're going

1:26:36 Speaker 2: to do to you and your family. There's no uh

1:26:40 Speaker 2: beating around the bush.

1:26:41 Speaker 1: Do you think that there's a possibility that when people

1:26:45 Speaker 1: talk about the met in block, you know, this is

1:26:48 Speaker 1: a big thing in the UFO community. Do you think

1:26:51 Speaker 1: that this is some sort of like deep state arm

1:26:54 Speaker 1: that comes out to shake people.

1:26:57 Speaker 2: I can tell you that too close to us. One

1:27:01 Speaker 2: of the things that was one of the questions that

1:27:05 Speaker 2: was asked to me by a senator was let me

1:27:09 Speaker 2: kind of shape this a little bit. So we're sitting

1:27:11 Speaker 2: there talking and all these various death threats and everything. Again,

1:27:14 Speaker 2: this has all been turned over. Arrow's got it. SCI's

1:27:18 Speaker 2: got it when it comes in. That's what I do, right,

1:27:22 Speaker 2: I'm following the rules on fallowing the laws. I've got

1:27:24 Speaker 2: a DoD drop box for arrow, you know, sensitive dropbox

1:27:28 Speaker 2: all these things. Senator has two piles and one pile

1:27:34 Speaker 2: has these death threats from China and others that came

1:27:37 Speaker 2: with some pretty intense verification that they are who they

1:27:41 Speaker 2: say they are, and they can they're at the level

1:27:43 Speaker 2: where they can pull this off. And then there's another pile,

1:27:46 Speaker 2: and I kind of thought, why would you separate these,

1:27:50 Speaker 2: just you know, my analytical mind. And he puts his

1:27:53 Speaker 2: finger on it and he says, do you ever think

1:27:55 Speaker 2: our own United States government might be sending you offers

1:28:00 Speaker 2: or death threats just to see if you'd go for it?

1:28:03 Speaker 2: Into that conversation, I hadn't considered that before, because, well,

1:28:10 Speaker 2: I get something, I just turn it in. But when

1:28:12 Speaker 2: I stopped and thought about it. It's not a verification

1:28:16 Speaker 2: of men in black and that sort of story. But

1:28:19 Speaker 2: our government, as we know, when they want to keep

1:28:23 Speaker 2: a secret, the gladly pinned something on you or put

1:28:28 Speaker 2: you in a bad spot. So it's not a man

1:28:30 Speaker 2: in black, but there may be worse things out there

1:28:32 Speaker 2: than the men in black shut up by your.

1:28:34 Speaker 1: Door, right right? Wow, that's wow, that must be I mean,

1:28:43 Speaker 1: it starts to make a lot more sense on why

1:28:45 Speaker 1: you're and I kind of respect it in a way

1:28:49 Speaker 1: that you're not willing to You're not willing to let

1:28:53 Speaker 1: them win easy. You know, you're You're just not And

1:28:58 Speaker 1: I there's something about it that I respect and I

1:29:02 Speaker 1: mean thank you because I think people like you bring legitimacy.

1:29:07 Speaker 1: So I mean it must have been really disheartening, you know,

1:29:11 Speaker 1: with hindsight on just myself watching Tim Phillips of Arrow

1:29:17 Speaker 1: say these kind of things about you, it's or imply them.

1:29:23 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he flat outset him.

1:29:25 Speaker 1: It was.

1:29:27 Speaker 2: It was for a reason, and for anyone that needs

1:29:29 Speaker 2: to find the reason. You go back and you watch

1:29:31 Speaker 2: that interview and the question that's actually asked to him

1:29:35 Speaker 2: is they're talking about the UAP Caucus and has nothing

1:29:41 Speaker 2: to do with the Senate, has nothing to do with witnesses, nothing.

1:29:45 Speaker 2: And then the question is what was it like essentially

1:29:48 Speaker 2: to work with members of that you know, caucus, And

1:29:54 Speaker 2: he does this weird kind of thing where he's moving

1:29:56 Speaker 2: his body and he's somehow formulates an answer that has

1:30:00 Speaker 2: nothing to fucking do with the question. So it in

1:30:04 Speaker 2: my mind that's pre planned. But he was just trying

1:30:06 Speaker 2: everything he could to find the place to get it

1:30:09 Speaker 2: in there, drop it in there, because when he dropped

1:30:12 Speaker 2: it in there, he fucking came with everything he had.

1:30:15 Speaker 2: So the statement of we believe one witness was trying

1:30:23 Speaker 2: to extort Erro in the government, and then going into

1:30:27 Speaker 2: how he wasn't a medical professional, but based on what

1:30:30 Speaker 2: he was told, he wouldn't want me around his family,

1:30:34 Speaker 2: and then further dictating that supposedly it was handed off

1:30:37 Speaker 2: to the FBI to look at me. What that actually

1:30:42 Speaker 2: achieved was number one hit on my business. So now

1:30:47 Speaker 2: I run a business that's trying to extort the United

1:30:50 Speaker 2: States government. People don't understand how close I got over

1:30:56 Speaker 2: years of dealing with these people. We'd go to the

1:30:59 Speaker 2: public I was in DC, and we'd have drinks or food.

1:31:02 Speaker 2: A lot of times when I'm in town, we know

1:31:05 Speaker 2: about each other's families, right, because I've got security issues,

1:31:08 Speaker 2: you know, they're coaching me through it. They knew how

1:31:10 Speaker 2: involved I was all my skids kids activities. I mean,

1:31:14 Speaker 2: like we win would me and my wife win awards

1:31:17 Speaker 2: for you know, volunteering at the school and stuff, and

1:31:20 Speaker 2: so like everybody knew how wrapped up I am with

1:31:24 Speaker 2: family life. So then what do you think he went.

1:31:26 Speaker 1: For business and family?

1:31:28 Speaker 2: Business and family and the family that I wasn't safe.

1:31:30 Speaker 2: This is coming from a guy who, although he was

1:31:32 Speaker 2: on the deferred retirement, was still on a paycheck. He

1:31:37 Speaker 2: hadn't retired yet, he's still getting a paycheck.

1:31:39 Speaker 1: No, they just asked him to sit it out, sit

1:31:41 Speaker 1: the rest.

1:31:42 Speaker 2: Out, correct, So he's still a government employee. Came out

1:31:46 Speaker 2: and said that I wasn't safe to have around once family.

1:31:48 Speaker 2: Now my name comes out. What do you think every

1:31:52 Speaker 2: parent of every one of my kids friends? Do you

1:31:54 Speaker 2: think that school would ever let me back in there?

1:31:57 Speaker 2: It will be a massive story on You have this

1:31:59 Speaker 2: mad man that he's framed me as. So he's trying

1:32:02 Speaker 2: to basically say, shut the fuck up, don't come out talking,

1:32:08 Speaker 2: because if you do and your identities out, you're ruined.

1:32:12 Speaker 2: You're ruined your everything's your personal life, and you may not.

1:32:16 Speaker 1: Be able to kill you out right, but you might

1:32:20 Speaker 1: as well.

1:32:21 Speaker 2: Be time to shut up.

1:32:23 Speaker 1: You'll want to be dead by the time we're done

1:32:25 Speaker 1: with you.

1:32:26 Speaker 2: Well, the way that I found out about what he

1:32:28 Speaker 2: did on that podcast was is my phone started going crazy,

1:32:32 Speaker 2: going off. It was blowing up, and I was like,

1:32:35 Speaker 2: let me check it. And again I'm not gonna say

1:32:37 Speaker 2: the names of people who still have my back that

1:32:40 Speaker 2: I've worked through with these various you know, committees and branches,

1:32:44 Speaker 2: but that's who it was. And the exact statement essentially

1:32:47 Speaker 2: was you've been marked for death. Man like you, you're

1:32:50 Speaker 2: in trouble. And I was like, the what the hell

1:32:52 Speaker 2: are you talking about? Just checking my phone here, and

1:32:56 Speaker 2: as they work through it, it makes perfect sense. So right now,

1:32:59 Speaker 2: some stuff Tim Phillips forgot to remember, and that statement

1:33:03 Speaker 2: was there god verified death threats against you from countries.

1:33:08 Speaker 2: Now Tim Phillips has just went on what will be

1:33:11 Speaker 2: viewed by everybody because national state actors, anyone that's former

1:33:15 Speaker 2: this or that, especially in ses like he said, you know,

1:33:19 Speaker 2: serves at the pleasure of the president. They watch everything

1:33:22 Speaker 2: you do to see if there's any hints. He's just

1:33:24 Speaker 2: went on essentially and said that the guy that they

1:33:27 Speaker 2: know that they're tracking me, so they know me that

1:33:30 Speaker 2: way has physical material and pieces, and he verified it

1:33:35 Speaker 2: when Mick West said it. So when I got the

1:33:37 Speaker 2: message from these guys, they were like, you gotta watch

1:33:40 Speaker 2: out for fucking home invasion kidnapping. Nothing's off the fucking thing.

1:33:44 Speaker 2: You have material pieces of a technology that's going to

1:33:47 Speaker 2: rule the fucking world. It's just been announced. You have

1:33:49 Speaker 2: them on your possession. You're fucked.

1:33:53 Speaker 1: This must have been the day.

1:33:54 Speaker 2: Yeah, order think about what a country would do and

1:33:57 Speaker 2: what they do to steal our technology, the sort of

1:34:00 Speaker 2: levels of thousands of people end up getting caught, going jail,

1:34:04 Speaker 2: the money they spend. Now you're saying, hey, that guy,

1:34:06 Speaker 2: if you can track him down in his fucking house,

1:34:09 Speaker 2: which they're what they were trying to say, has the technology.

1:34:12 Speaker 1: He's got something in his home.

1:34:14 Speaker 2: It's the easiest path to the greatest creation in the world.

1:34:18 Speaker 2: You just got to get him.

1:34:20 Speaker 1: And if people want to not take what you just

1:34:23 Speaker 1: said seriously, I implore you to look around at the

1:34:28 Speaker 1: missing scientists, the missing generals, the dead people all seemingly

1:34:36 Speaker 1: connected with aerospace, nuclear, and you know, engineering capability. So

1:34:50 Speaker 1: this is real. Like I can't stress that enough. And

1:34:55 Speaker 1: it is becoming clear that there is some sort of

1:35:00 Speaker 1: civil war happening behind the scenes in government and military

1:35:04 Speaker 1: industrial complex where some people want this out there right,

1:35:09 Speaker 1: they want to start advancing it because clearly it's not

1:35:13 Speaker 1: working in a silo. But then there's the other half

1:35:16 Speaker 1: that's like over my dead.

1:35:18 Speaker 2: Body, correct, And just you know, my personal thoughts on this,

1:35:23 Speaker 2: just like we looked at different things and maybe it's

1:35:25 Speaker 2: just maybe it's not that with a lot of people.

1:35:28 Speaker 2: I agree the list is probably too extensive on there.

1:35:30 Speaker 2: But what I will also stress is this stuff really

1:35:33 Speaker 2: does happen. I can't say it happened to these people,

1:35:36 Speaker 2: but individuals don't understand the sort of pressure they put

1:35:41 Speaker 2: on you when you have and they've found you for

1:35:44 Speaker 2: technology to either take a deal still it, whatever the

1:35:47 Speaker 2: fuck they got to do. The amount of offers I've

1:35:49 Speaker 2: had from pretty women to take an all expense paid

1:35:52 Speaker 2: trip to China, which is gonna be a one way ticket,

1:35:55 Speaker 2: I mean, they hit with every fucking thing they have,

1:35:59 Speaker 2: so I don't know if this happened to these people,

1:36:01 Speaker 2: but this is a real current in the in the

1:36:04 Speaker 2: process going through.

1:36:06 Speaker 1: I mean, do we need to look at like that

1:36:10 Speaker 1: scene stuff for for further proof of I mean, this

1:36:16 Speaker 1: is the world I think people, it's dirty, it's dirty,

1:36:21 Speaker 1: it is dirty. Do you think that? I guess. I

1:36:28 Speaker 1: don't want to get too speculative with us, but let's

1:36:34 Speaker 1: play hypothetical out, sure, just because I want I want

1:36:37 Speaker 1: to be able to hear it. Pretty girl asks you

1:36:40 Speaker 1: to go to China, all expenses paid you you you

1:36:44 Speaker 1: get there, what happens, what do you what.

1:36:47 Speaker 2: Do you correct? So obviously depends on the situation, but

1:36:51 Speaker 2: it's very easy for them to get you over and

1:36:54 Speaker 2: take money, take what you want. I mean, there's always

1:36:56 Speaker 2: a progression into it. For me personally, there's no pretty

1:37:00 Speaker 2: Girl there, right, it's a one way ticket. But the

1:37:02 Speaker 2: offers that I got, and this has all been reported.

1:37:06 Speaker 2: I mean again, everything I got I turned in. There's

1:37:09 Speaker 2: no secrets. You get a random oh sorry, wrong number

1:37:13 Speaker 2: thing and then talking, then the picture of it, and

1:37:16 Speaker 2: then it's like, well you know I live and here

1:37:18 Speaker 2: I live there. Oh really this happened to live in DC?

1:37:21 Speaker 2: When you just happen to be going to DC that way,

1:37:23 Speaker 2: you want to get a drink, right, then it progresses

1:37:26 Speaker 2: into like, you know, do you know about China?

1:37:28 Speaker 1: Like, you know, do you like China?

1:37:29 Speaker 2: So then if you say no, and you know, I

1:37:32 Speaker 2: don't even think against Chinese people, Asia plenty of friends

1:37:35 Speaker 2: by all means, but when you know you're talking to

1:37:37 Speaker 2: a fucking spy, you're a little nastier, you know, So

1:37:42 Speaker 2: you can play that angle or you can play the

1:37:44 Speaker 2: other angle. But you know what essentially the alp but

1:37:47 Speaker 2: agencies were telling me is is like you've got to

1:37:49 Speaker 2: have more than just a text. You got to get

1:37:51 Speaker 2: some sort of location from them. You got to get

1:37:53 Speaker 2: some sort of phone number, something we can exploit to

1:37:57 Speaker 2: catch him. Right, So this is why you got to

1:38:00 Speaker 2: talk a little bit and get some information. So then

1:38:04 Speaker 2: they've got a place you can stay while you're up

1:38:06 Speaker 2: there in DC. We'll guess we're that information land right

1:38:09 Speaker 2: over to the fucking authorities, right because now you've got

1:38:12 Speaker 2: a location. So that's the process of it, you know,

1:38:16 Speaker 2: I mean, I've been married for.

1:38:17 Speaker 1: A long time, but they're trying to get you to trip.

1:38:22 Speaker 2: It's the normal trips, even for people who are married.

1:38:25 Speaker 2: The old pretty latty scheme, the honey traps.

1:38:27 Speaker 1: The red sparrow.

1:38:29 Speaker 2: This stuff works.

1:38:31 Speaker 1: And because men are men all out tend they're they're

1:38:36 Speaker 1: what they're leveraging is they're they're leveraging the I mean again,

1:38:43 Speaker 1: this is a society that allows like OnlyFans to exist, right, Yeah,

1:38:50 Speaker 1: and the Epstein stuff and we can go down we

1:38:52 Speaker 1: don't have to go down that road. But it's just

1:38:54 Speaker 1: an example of like this is the real world. Whether

1:38:58 Speaker 1: you guys want to see it or not, this stuff happens.

1:39:01 Speaker 1: So yeah, But.

1:39:02 Speaker 2: Moving on, the greatest control is to be able to

1:39:05 Speaker 2: blackmail somebody and everything you mentioned there, whether it be

1:39:08 Speaker 2: Epstein or the honeypot trap. At the end, that's what

1:39:11 Speaker 2: it comes down to. What Now they got a secret.

1:39:13 Speaker 1: They want what you have, and they'll do anything to

1:39:17 Speaker 1: have that leverage over you.

1:39:19 Speaker 2: Correct.

1:39:20 Speaker 1: The only you only have the option of giving it up.

1:39:25 Speaker 2: You have to agree or yeah, or they're gonna send

1:39:28 Speaker 2: honeypop pictures to your wife. That's the sort of ship

1:39:30 Speaker 2: that the black man, right, that's where it comes from.

1:39:33 Speaker 1: So what you you had mentioned something to me about

1:39:46 Speaker 1: Admiral Tim Goddet. I don't know. I'm sure you saw

1:39:50 Speaker 1: the recent.

1:39:51 Speaker 2: Clip I did in the battle back and forth, a

1:39:53 Speaker 2: bit like I've had. Yeah.

1:39:56 Speaker 1: Do you know what that tells me? It tells me

1:40:00 Speaker 1: that they are willing to lie through their teeth just

1:40:04 Speaker 1: right at you. Like Kirkpatrick, the man who ran arrow,

1:40:10 Speaker 1: is willing to just boldly lie even though it was

1:40:16 Speaker 1: very verifiable that he was lying. But he's just willing

1:40:20 Speaker 1: to do it. And he's sipping his coffee and he's

1:40:23 Speaker 1: acting like like this is no big thing. Yeah, why

1:40:27 Speaker 1: is doctor Evil?

1:40:28 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, his own nickname, self proclaimed nicknames doctor Evil.

1:40:31 Speaker 2: What I what I will say about that is there

1:40:35 Speaker 2: are certain rules that are supposed to be followed, and

1:40:38 Speaker 2: one of them is, especially within the IC. And just

1:40:41 Speaker 2: what I'm into now is you don't put someone else's

1:40:44 Speaker 2: name out there unless there's a reason. So when Tim Phillips,

1:40:48 Speaker 2: you know, essentially led everybody to it. To me, there's

1:40:52 Speaker 2: a reason, Kirkpatrick, whether you like him or not, has

1:40:56 Speaker 2: never burned nosed my ass, right, So I stay away

1:41:01 Speaker 2: out of It's kind of the mutual respect. It's not

1:41:04 Speaker 2: a fear of saying something. It's like there's no good

1:41:07 Speaker 2: to come from having a verbal battle I think Tim

1:41:10 Speaker 2: Phillips has realized that now because I didn't back down,

1:41:13 Speaker 2: and there's no clear example than what you just mentioned,

1:41:16 Speaker 2: because what we have on record now is that Tim Galadett,

1:41:21 Speaker 2: Tim Phillips, and Kirkpatrick all only agree on one thing.

1:41:25 Speaker 2: Everybody's focused on whose story's real? What do they agree on?

1:41:30 Speaker 2: It happened at Aero, Kirkpatrick's version his office, Phillips version

1:41:35 Speaker 2: his office, but also Kirkpatrick's office. Galadet it happened at Ero. Okay,

1:41:40 Speaker 2: so we got that these are their words, not mine, right,

1:41:44 Speaker 2: because I've had a sign paperwork that I can't say

1:41:46 Speaker 2: certain things. So what happens over the battle, there's a

1:41:52 Speaker 2: reason why Sue Goff is involved in keeping stories straight, well,

1:41:58 Speaker 2: whether it was intentional, because remember you read a little

1:42:03 Speaker 2: bit of his statement. He says, this is from my unclassified,

1:42:07 Speaker 2: you know, essentially public record, and I thought that was odd,

1:42:11 Speaker 2: and then he puts up a screenshot. What's on the

1:42:14 Speaker 2: screenshot his meeting at Arrow. These are I'm using other

1:42:19 Speaker 2: people's words here. Of course, has been said by both

1:42:22 Speaker 2: Phillips and Kirkpatrick. We don't release the location of the

1:42:27 Speaker 2: Arrow office because we don't want people to know where

1:42:29 Speaker 2: it's at, what's on that fucking thing, the galadet, the

1:42:35 Speaker 2: location of goddamn address. So there's no fucking good from

1:42:43 Speaker 2: getting into these verbal battles. So what that tells me

1:42:47 Speaker 2: is how shitty Arrow really is being rant Because these

1:42:52 Speaker 2: guys are supposed to be professionals, They should fucking know

1:42:57 Speaker 2: this is what's gonna happen. There's always going to be

1:42:59 Speaker 2: a casualty. Either is always going to be damaged.

1:43:02 Speaker 1: So you think Errow is fit for the job at hand.

1:43:07 Speaker 2: Ero is being assigned a job they don't want, versus

1:43:11 Speaker 2: are they fit so analyzing things that they don't have

1:43:14 Speaker 2: a UAP or ORBS attached to them, they're probably pretty

1:43:18 Speaker 2: good at it with the experts that they have. What

1:43:20 Speaker 2: is this? Is it a Chinese this?

1:43:22 Speaker 1: You know?

1:43:22 Speaker 2: Is it this?

1:43:24 Speaker 1: But they don't want the job of UAP.

1:43:28 Speaker 2: Even me, I'm willing to still say we tried to

1:43:31 Speaker 2: analyze as best as we could, We still kept somewhat

1:43:33 Speaker 2: of an open mind, but fall the evidence for them,

1:43:36 Speaker 2: it's definitely a no as it comes in. So with that,

1:43:40 Speaker 2: I can't say they're good for the job because they

1:43:43 Speaker 2: won't give it an honest look.

1:43:46 Speaker 1: I found out today. So I recently interviewed a Connecticut

1:43:51 Speaker 1: state legislator, Joe Hawkshaw, and I woke up to a

1:43:56 Speaker 1: text today that said that he had entered a bill

1:44:02 Speaker 1: for Connecticut familiar with yeah, for the state to study UAP,

1:44:07 Speaker 1: and they were going to stand up an investigation that

1:44:10 Speaker 1: included you know, professor university and all that it went

1:44:16 Speaker 1: into appropriations, right, meaning the money was going to go

1:44:19 Speaker 1: there no matter what, like it was already pretty much greenlit.

1:44:25 Speaker 1: At the last minute they went and the money is

1:44:29 Speaker 1: still being allocated for a UAP study, but now it's

1:44:32 Speaker 1: going to be done by AI because they don't want

1:44:35 Speaker 1: to actually hire anyone human and they went with the

1:44:38 Speaker 1: Democratic candidates version of the of the program. So they

1:44:46 Speaker 1: last minute redrew up an alternate plan that included only

1:44:50 Speaker 1: an AI investigation. So it's just like, yeah, what are

1:44:56 Speaker 1: we doing here, guys, what are we doing?

1:44:59 Speaker 2: Just I'm clear on this, and I mean again, this

1:45:02 Speaker 2: isn't about me telling the story. There's a reason why

1:45:05 Speaker 2: it needs have been admitted by multiple politicians. The Pentagon.

1:45:09 Speaker 2: You have someone in more than once in a skiff

1:45:13 Speaker 2: with sitting senators who are on committees that can verify

1:45:16 Speaker 2: everything you say. Why you're there, they send someone out

1:45:18 Speaker 2: the door to verify it because, unbeknownst to some podcasters,

1:45:22 Speaker 2: you can't have electronics inside of a SKIP.

1:45:25 Speaker 1: So for anyone doesn't know, it's it's essentially a Faraday cage.

1:45:29 Speaker 2: Right, you're locked in a bank vault yep, yep essentially.

1:45:33 Speaker 2: So if you say this was there at this GPS

1:45:35 Speaker 2: and they go and they call n GA or whoever

1:45:38 Speaker 2: the hell they need to call, and they get an

1:45:40 Speaker 2: answer back and they come and give you a NAD

1:45:42 Speaker 2: yeah or no, and you don't get multiple meetings over

1:45:44 Speaker 2: years unless you're getting all yeah right right. So with

1:45:48 Speaker 2: that said, I say this uncertainty a as much as

1:45:54 Speaker 2: I like what they're doing, a college or institution will

1:45:57 Speaker 2: never fucking solve this or find it in the sky.

1:46:00 Speaker 2: You don't have what you need, not just funding the knowledge.

1:46:04 Speaker 2: You don't know what you're looking for.

1:46:06 Speaker 1: I agree, But what I the point being is you're

1:46:11 Speaker 1: what they You can control Artificial intelligence you can't necessarily control.

1:46:17 Speaker 1: You don't always have control over human right, So you know,

1:46:22 Speaker 1: if they were to find anything, you know now it's

1:46:25 Speaker 1: an AI and you know they write yeah.

1:46:29 Speaker 2: I mean my point, I'm trying to hammer down is

1:46:31 Speaker 2: it's the same way as the Galileo Project. It's not

1:46:35 Speaker 2: gonna fucking find anything. I'm just I'm telling you.

1:46:37 Speaker 1: Now, this is the program by Avulo, right.

1:46:40 Speaker 2: None of this shit's gonna find anything by all means.

1:46:44 Speaker 2: I'm the only one that's got the track record can

1:46:47 Speaker 2: bring it in. And none of that stuff works. So

1:46:50 Speaker 2: what I'm trying to tell people is not brag about myself.

1:46:53 Speaker 2: I'm trying to say what you do is very important,

1:46:57 Speaker 2: and when you instantly do something that's not gonna work,

1:46:59 Speaker 2: and it does mean because it's not with good intentions, right,

1:47:02 Speaker 2: Like I love you know, I saw the interview. He's

1:47:05 Speaker 2: got all good intentions, but he doesn't how would you

1:47:07 Speaker 2: know the answers of how to set this up. It's

1:47:11 Speaker 2: bad in the end because now what you have is

1:47:14 Speaker 2: another state that's going to say, well, I know the

1:47:15 Speaker 2: one up in Connecticut spent this much of money, didn't

1:47:18 Speaker 2: find it. And so that's where I'm trying to angle

1:47:20 Speaker 2: people into, Like who you put, where you put your money,

1:47:24 Speaker 2: and who you put your back into in this community

1:47:26 Speaker 2: does have an effect.

1:47:27 Speaker 1: Okay, fair enough, and that's that's fair. You're fighting the

1:47:32 Speaker 1: invention secrecy Act, which you had mentioned before, and you

1:47:37 Speaker 1: claim that you're you're winning, I would assume.

1:47:41 Speaker 2: Yeah, if I was losing, I wouldn't be here because

1:47:43 Speaker 2: you can't say anything.

1:47:45 Speaker 1: What does that battle look like right now?

1:47:48 Speaker 2: Yeah, Again, we're exposing secrets, not just military technological secrets,

1:47:53 Speaker 2: but how the government really operates. You know, when I

1:47:58 Speaker 2: got out of the FBI office, they mentioned it TAR, right,

1:48:01 Speaker 2: because I've had to go through all of this SORR.

1:48:04 Speaker 2: Iar's International Traffic of Arms Regulations to the Department of State,

1:48:09 Speaker 2: and basically what it has to do with is any

1:48:11 Speaker 2: technology they determine they should control, which, by the way,

1:48:15 Speaker 2: it's a massive umbrella. It's not just stealth planes. You

1:48:18 Speaker 2: could be talking about anything. Right at one point time,

1:48:21 Speaker 2: they even try to regulate gunsmiths.

1:48:23 Speaker 1: But the Invention Secrecy Act again was put in as

1:48:30 Speaker 1: a clamp down on It's the.

1:48:32 Speaker 2: Other part of the box. The first part of the

1:48:34 Speaker 2: box is i TAR, because it TAR is separate. But

1:48:36 Speaker 2: what IAR says is you have to turn in the schemacs,

1:48:41 Speaker 2: basically the information about it. They want to essentially know everything,

1:48:44 Speaker 2: how it's made, what it can do, and then they

1:48:46 Speaker 2: look at it and they determine what else could it do,

1:48:50 Speaker 2: not even just what you're pointing out, And then they

1:48:53 Speaker 2: regulate who you can talk to, every marketing material that

1:48:56 Speaker 2: you're going to have to sell, this has to be approved.

1:48:59 Speaker 2: Every person you want to talk to it has to

1:49:02 Speaker 2: be approved. If you sell it, it has to be approved.

1:49:06 Speaker 2: So they control everything. There's no court system to go to,

1:49:11 Speaker 2: so if I want to sell something or I want

1:49:13 Speaker 2: to talk to so many other country it all has

1:49:17 Speaker 2: to be approved in itar. Although we didn't go through

1:49:20 Speaker 2: with the application because they were really honest, like wanting

1:49:23 Speaker 2: to know how to make it, and it's like, we're

1:49:25 Speaker 2: not gonna We're not going to go through approval if

1:49:27 Speaker 2: we have to tell you how to make it, Like

1:49:28 Speaker 2: that's just another screw job of you know, more requests

1:49:31 Speaker 2: for more information, requests for information. It's a disaster. So

1:49:36 Speaker 2: if you violate that, and they can also just tell

1:49:38 Speaker 2: you violated it, you don't have to have approval. You're

1:49:42 Speaker 2: talking about millions per fine federal pen time. I mean,

1:49:48 Speaker 2: it's fucking come down on you come down to it.

1:49:51 Speaker 2: So the other side of that is you say, okay,

1:49:54 Speaker 2: let me patent this. You go through the US Patent Office.

1:49:57 Speaker 2: It's the same thing in the patent office for people

1:49:59 Speaker 2: that don't know. If you are a US citizen, you

1:50:01 Speaker 2: have to go through the patent office. It doesn't matter

1:50:03 Speaker 2: if you're in another country, doesn't matter. If you paid

1:50:06 Speaker 2: for everything yourself. It doesn't matter if you only clean

1:50:08 Speaker 2: the floors where it was made by law. You have

1:50:10 Speaker 2: to go through the US Patent Office. First, they look

1:50:16 Speaker 2: at it, Department of Energy, Department of Defense, slash war

1:50:19 Speaker 2: and even then, you know, Commerce basically looks at it

1:50:22 Speaker 2: and says, will this throw the US financial system to

1:50:24 Speaker 2: a mess? Does this mess us up on defense and

1:50:27 Speaker 2: military and so on? If they determine that, then they

1:50:30 Speaker 2: have the ability to implement the Invention Secrecy Act, which

1:50:34 Speaker 2: means you have a patent, but it's thirs, it's not

1:50:37 Speaker 2: yours until they release it and why they have it,

1:50:41 Speaker 2: you cannot speak about it. That means to the public.

1:50:44 Speaker 2: That means you couldn't do a podcast like this and

1:50:47 Speaker 2: talk about the invention or how you're getting screwed. You

1:50:50 Speaker 2: can't even tell your own spouse if you do. This

1:50:52 Speaker 2: is going to sound familiar federal pen time and millions

1:50:57 Speaker 2: in fines the fucking box. So now, who do you

1:51:02 Speaker 2: sell it? To you're stuck in the only fucking customer

1:51:06 Speaker 2: the US government.

1:51:08 Speaker 1: They get a string and uh, I believe I probably

1:51:13 Speaker 1: don't have the exact numbers in front of me or

1:51:16 Speaker 1: but a lot of energy related uh like propulsion like

1:51:23 Speaker 1: that stuff, anything energy related and like hard material science

1:51:29 Speaker 1: advancement are often kept at bay using these methods.

1:51:36 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I have some ideas of some of

1:51:37 Speaker 2: the numbers and what people he knows it's growing, so

1:51:40 Speaker 2: this is being not just they are. It's growing so

1:51:46 Speaker 2: benefit they figured out what to use and then they're

1:51:49 Speaker 2: they're making damn good effort of you know, more and

1:51:51 Speaker 2: more and more people's patents and so you know what

1:51:54 Speaker 2: I want to really hit home with people on this

1:51:58 Speaker 2: is is they've also figured out tricks. You say, well,

1:52:01 Speaker 2: take him to court by law, kind of like the

1:52:03 Speaker 2: eminent domain says, you know, everybody's jumping on, they have

1:52:06 Speaker 2: to pay you a reasonable value. Well, there's been court cases.

1:52:10 Speaker 2: No lawyer will even take him because when you get

1:52:12 Speaker 2: into the court cases on record, what happens is is

1:52:14 Speaker 2: the Department of Defense and Department of War says, yes,

1:52:18 Speaker 2: we use that person's device that could defeat this, defeat

1:52:22 Speaker 2: that and it's all correct, And they say, well, why

1:52:26 Speaker 2: didn't you negotiate a price? And what they say is

1:52:28 Speaker 2: is because the price in the amount we use is classified,

1:52:31 Speaker 2: which is the legal loophole. So there's no mathematical equation

1:52:37 Speaker 2: to be paid and there's no minimum to be paid.

1:52:41 Speaker 2: So what you get is zero because for them classify,

1:52:44 Speaker 2: it's classified what they would need to pay you. And

1:52:46 Speaker 2: that's been accepted across every fucking court that has come through.

1:52:51 Speaker 1: How do we advance? How do we advance as a

1:52:56 Speaker 1: society when advancement is compartmentized?

1:53:00 Speaker 2: Well, it's that's again we're talking about half problems and

1:53:05 Speaker 2: a whole problem. So that's the beginning of it. The

1:53:09 Speaker 2: other part of it is every single person on send

1:53:12 Speaker 2: Armed Service Committee and the House you know HIPSI just

1:53:15 Speaker 2: like SSCI, they know damn well what the Invention Secrecy

1:53:19 Speaker 2: Act is. You go to their own personal youtubes. You

1:53:22 Speaker 2: can do it right now. Listen to them speak. They've

1:53:26 Speaker 2: gone on a suit, you know, American flag pen just

1:53:30 Speaker 2: talking on stop about authitarian governments that you know, still

1:53:35 Speaker 2: from their people and keep them, you know, in the poor.

1:53:38 Speaker 2: And it's like, if I was to ask you here today,

1:53:41 Speaker 2: you tell me what country this is, And I'll tell

1:53:43 Speaker 2: you what happens. They take what you have that's from

1:53:46 Speaker 2: your money, and they threaten you with jail time and

1:53:51 Speaker 2: millions and fines to ruin you. And you can't tell

1:53:54 Speaker 2: anybody even the story about how you're getting screwed. Who

1:53:57 Speaker 2: the fuck says the United States of America? You might

1:54:01 Speaker 2: say China, you know, you might go Korea, this and that,

1:54:04 Speaker 2: and you'd be right right, But it's hattening here. And

1:54:07 Speaker 2: the problem is is this is one of the dirty problems.

1:54:09 Speaker 2: So how do we answer that. We got to get

1:54:13 Speaker 2: ship out in sunlight? As they say, people, I mean,

1:54:15 Speaker 2: when's the last time you're around the water cooler at

1:54:17 Speaker 2: work and someone brought up the Invention Secrecy Act? Right?

1:54:20 Speaker 2: It just does.

1:54:21 Speaker 1: Doesn't happen, It's hidden, doesn't happen. It's kind of scares

1:54:31 Speaker 1: me in theory and like just thinking about that because

1:54:37 Speaker 1: at any moment, the next big thing, because they're not

1:54:41 Speaker 1: going to there, they're not going to green light any

1:54:47 Speaker 1: alternative propulsion that puts their earnings and lifestyle at risk.

1:54:52 Speaker 1: When they have investments into the oil and then are

1:54:57 Speaker 1: inside trading and have such, you know, have made a

1:55:04 Speaker 1: career out of a job that was never supposed to

1:55:09 Speaker 1: be a career thing.

1:55:11 Speaker 2: You nailed it. So for people that don't know and

1:55:13 Speaker 2: want to do a little bit of research. One of

1:55:15 Speaker 2: the things that they really try to lock up with

1:55:17 Speaker 2: the Invention Secrecy Act with solar panels, and I'm sure

1:55:20 Speaker 2: the more beneficial ones they have is but so much

1:55:23 Speaker 2: it got out about it from other countries they couldn't.

1:55:26 Speaker 2: But what they were going to say is the ability

1:55:29 Speaker 2: to harness the sun into electricity is a defensive advantage

1:55:35 Speaker 2: and now the rest of the world can't have it.

1:55:38 Speaker 2: You know, I'm not a tree hugging green injury guy,

1:55:40 Speaker 2: but it's like, give me a fucking break, like you

1:55:42 Speaker 2: know that was going to be buried, and that's the

1:55:45 Speaker 2: process of how they think, you know the damn well.

1:55:49 Speaker 2: And I guarantee what we have right now is no

1:55:51 Speaker 2: where and they're capable with the military is pulling from

1:55:54 Speaker 2: from solar panels, which is more of the answer the

1:55:56 Speaker 2: world needs.

1:55:57 Speaker 1: Elon must said no again, I'm not sure exactly if

1:56:00 Speaker 1: he's right, but he said on Joe Rogan, the Joe

1:56:05 Speaker 1: Rogan experience, that like the small town, like the size wise,

1:56:13 Speaker 1: if you filled it with solar panels could run the

1:56:15 Speaker 1: United States like for three to five years, you know,

1:56:22 Speaker 1: not again, yeah I miss quoting a little bit, but

1:56:25 Speaker 1: something that was like super reasonable, and it was like, wait,

1:56:28 Speaker 1: why aren't we doing this? It's because they can't put

1:56:31 Speaker 1: a meter on things like that. And this is where

1:56:34 Speaker 1: it all began.

1:56:35 Speaker 2: You got it because you know, without getting into my

1:56:37 Speaker 2: life and some of the projects I've worked on, you know,

1:56:40 Speaker 2: I used to be involved in essentially a group that

1:56:43 Speaker 2: would do that where we go in and especially for

1:56:47 Speaker 2: you know, groups of people as I'll word it, who

1:56:50 Speaker 2: aren't doing real well or there's not jobs and the

1:56:52 Speaker 2: sort of environments find grants to put solar panels up

1:56:58 Speaker 2: in the field and you run all the lines and

1:57:02 Speaker 2: now they've got free energy for the amount of time

1:57:06 Speaker 2: that you know, the life extended warranty of that, like

1:57:08 Speaker 2: this ship does actually work. But do you think your

1:57:11 Speaker 2: electric company wants to knock out the industry that they

1:57:15 Speaker 2: have and they're legally allowed to lobby against it so

1:57:20 Speaker 2: that you can control your electric bill. So it's multiple

1:57:24 Speaker 2: things where the United States advantages of being a free

1:57:26 Speaker 2: country is being taken advantage of from the calls coming

1:57:30 Speaker 2: from withinside.

1:57:33 Speaker 1: Spot on spot on as of a couple of days ago,

1:57:40 Speaker 1: because I don't want to give an I don't want

1:57:42 Speaker 1: to give an exact timeframe, but the beginning of a

1:57:46 Speaker 1: UFO files have begun to be released. Uh, do you

1:57:51 Speaker 1: expect anything to happen? Do you expect that any disclosure

1:57:59 Speaker 1: will occur over the next thirty to ninety days? Like

1:58:04 Speaker 1: people like David Grosh A saying so no.

1:58:09 Speaker 2: However, my opinion will vary. And the reason it varies

1:58:15 Speaker 2: is because you know, I have a little bit of

1:58:17 Speaker 2: knowledge on it. Again, I can't go into the details,

1:58:21 Speaker 2: but I'm still headed to d C. I'm actually not

1:58:25 Speaker 2: a you know, I haven't been black balled or blacklisted

1:58:29 Speaker 2: from the people that really matter.

1:58:31 Speaker 1: Yeah, in these industries.

1:58:33 Speaker 2: Now it doesn't mean that we've got a deal worked

1:58:34 Speaker 2: out yet, but they still have to talk to me.

1:58:38 Speaker 2: And so I do have various information. From what I've

1:58:41 Speaker 2: been told is that one of the next rounds that

1:58:44 Speaker 2: comes out is going to deal more with stories. So

1:58:48 Speaker 2: rather than getting the visual of this, now you're going

1:58:52 Speaker 2: to get a story if someone's been abducted in Kansas

1:58:56 Speaker 2: sort of thing. And what my fair is is that

1:58:59 Speaker 2: just like the photo, everybody's gonna jump on that and say, well,

1:59:02 Speaker 2: it came from the FBI files, it came from NASA,

1:59:05 Speaker 2: it must be true, right when it's not. It's just

1:59:09 Speaker 2: a record. So I believe the stories are coming. My

1:59:13 Speaker 2: other worry is such as the video of the hellcat

1:59:17 Speaker 2: that hit the UAP and undetected, which looking at the video,

1:59:21 Speaker 2: that's not what happened. And I've seen that video before.

1:59:29 Speaker 2: I've covered that a little bit before. That video is super.

1:59:32 Speaker 1: Stot before it was released in the congressionally hearing.

1:59:36 Speaker 2: That video so people understand was shopped around to multiple people.

1:59:42 Speaker 2: Burlison said it was dead dropped. I don't know what

1:59:44 Speaker 2: that means exactly, but no, no, no, how it was

1:59:48 Speaker 2: dead dropped to him, because I'll explain how it became

1:59:51 Speaker 2: to me and others, and how that worked is everybody

1:59:54 Speaker 2: has messaging service, signal, telegram, whatever it may be, and

2:00:00 Speaker 2: you don't actually have to send your phone number, right,

2:00:03 Speaker 2: so I could text you and all you know is

2:00:05 Speaker 2: whatever name I put in there, maybe I'm Bob, and

2:00:09 Speaker 2: you get something from me, and then I delete my

2:00:11 Speaker 2: account and now you've got a video of something, and

2:00:14 Speaker 2: Bob's long gone and there's no way to track down Bob, So.

2:00:18 Speaker 1: I had something similar to happen to me.

2:00:20 Speaker 2: That's how it came to me.

2:00:22 Speaker 1: Someone threatened me and then just disappeared out of.

2:00:25 Speaker 2: My body, right So, and I don't know if that's

2:00:27 Speaker 2: what he means. I would hope to God that someone

2:00:29 Speaker 2: at the house can't dead drop something under your door

2:00:31 Speaker 2: like anthrax and nobody picks it up on security. But

2:00:35 Speaker 2: somehow he got a hold of it. Right Other people,

2:00:38 Speaker 2: I'm not going to say their names, but what you

2:00:40 Speaker 2: have to ask yourself is who would have my phone number,

2:00:45 Speaker 2: Burlason's phone number, and some committee members in both the

2:00:48 Speaker 2: House and Senate in order to shop a video that

2:00:51 Speaker 2: has oftentimes longer duration or a different cut, a different cut,

2:00:58 Speaker 2: a different cut. So you see it hit and you

2:01:03 Speaker 2: don't know what happened. It's got some tailings. Somebody else

2:01:06 Speaker 2: sees it and it goes down, well the alleged UAP,

2:01:13 Speaker 2: which is obviously not a UAP. So then that makes

2:01:16 Speaker 2: a video that and we've had people kind of walk

2:01:19 Speaker 2: through this, right, maybe hit a balloon and crash. Maybe

2:01:21 Speaker 2: it's this and that. So now you've propped up a

2:01:24 Speaker 2: video and they've kind of set you up to put

2:01:27 Speaker 2: this out and then they can always hold that back

2:01:30 Speaker 2: and be like, well, now that it's got all this hype,

2:01:32 Speaker 2: let's release a video that shows something different because they

2:01:35 Speaker 2: want to discredit you. So I'm setting that up to say,

2:01:40 Speaker 2: when the videos come, because we're hearing about them, some

2:01:42 Speaker 2: of them are gonna blow our mind and some of them

2:01:44 Speaker 2: are gonna, you know, change our view of the world.

2:01:48 Speaker 2: Don't do narrative control. You gotta really analyze these for yourself.

2:01:54 Speaker 2: And again that's why I say, do I think disclosures

2:01:57 Speaker 2: coming No, not from this. What we need to see

2:02:00 Speaker 2: is arrows two or three percent that they couldn't solve

2:02:04 Speaker 2: because that's already went through an analysis. We don't need

2:02:06 Speaker 2: to see things that appear to be just from a

2:02:08 Speaker 2: folder that was never analyzed, thrown on the judge's desk, right.

2:02:14 Speaker 1: Right, right, yeah, totally. I totally agree with that. Getting

2:02:21 Speaker 1: into some of the material, tell me if you can't,

2:02:31 Speaker 1: but after being after analyzing it, do you believe that

2:02:37 Speaker 1: this material was made on this planet?

2:02:40 Speaker 2: It comes from earthly material, meaning there's only so many

2:02:45 Speaker 2: elements we have, right, So some of the stories that

2:02:49 Speaker 2: others have said where it's not on the periodic table

2:02:51 Speaker 2: I know nothing about that. What I can tell you

2:02:53 Speaker 2: is definitely can pull everything you need on a raw

2:02:57 Speaker 2: format from the ground. You know, really, isn't is this

2:03:01 Speaker 2: idea of you have to have a certain material from

2:03:03 Speaker 2: another planet. It's what it goes through in manufacturing that

2:03:06 Speaker 2: makes it what it is. That's the specialty.

2:03:09 Speaker 1: Okay, next question the isotope ratios. Do they match the

2:03:18 Speaker 1: manufacturing process of this world.

2:03:22 Speaker 2: Yes. However, again you're getting into things where when you

2:03:28 Speaker 2: get to advanced technology, just like with physics, what do

2:03:32 Speaker 2: we keep hearing it defies physics. We're looking at the

2:03:35 Speaker 2: past and not the future. So when you think of

2:03:37 Speaker 2: the forefront of technology, the idea that something wouldn't match

2:03:43 Speaker 2: that with isotopes would almost leave more credence to This

2:03:47 Speaker 2: is the top level of what we have hidden that's

2:03:49 Speaker 2: one hundred years ahead. Not necessarily Aliens made it in

2:03:53 Speaker 2: their warehouse. So these are the problems I have, these questions.

2:03:56 Speaker 2: What I can tell you is we went through all

2:03:59 Speaker 2: this with s C right. Because I only talked to

2:04:02 Speaker 2: Ero very briefly. They were mainly covering the you know,

2:04:05 Speaker 2: the international threats that I had a drop box, I

2:04:08 Speaker 2: had a number I had to turn stuff over to right,

2:04:10 Speaker 2: followed all that, and at the same time, SSCI is

2:04:14 Speaker 2: really the one that I'm dealing with because those two

2:04:15 Speaker 2: groups hated each other. So SCI is the skiff. I

2:04:19 Speaker 2: keep going back in and then they call and get

2:04:20 Speaker 2: things verified. So at SCI we worked through this and

2:04:25 Speaker 2: what it came down to is okay, well, next step

2:04:29 Speaker 2: because we'll use Tim Phillips words right, because again ITAR

2:04:32 Speaker 2: has an umbrella and people don't understand this. When they

2:04:35 Speaker 2: went to court got brought to court, one of the

2:04:37 Speaker 2: questions for the Department of State was what is the

2:04:40 Speaker 2: definition of what you cover and not cover? Because they

2:04:43 Speaker 2: just try to reach out to someone and be like, oh,

2:04:45 Speaker 2: you've made an ITITAR violation.

2:04:46 Speaker 1: You're in deep shit.

2:04:48 Speaker 2: And in court they said they couldn't actually identify what

2:04:53 Speaker 2: was or what wasn't cover. It was their terminology that

2:04:55 Speaker 2: it wasn't just ever going umbrella. In other words, if

2:04:58 Speaker 2: they want a fucking pencent on, yeah they can. So

2:05:01 Speaker 2: I try to speak with what's been released. Tim Phillips said,

2:05:05 Speaker 2: I got photos and I got material, right, concentrate on

2:05:09 Speaker 2: the photos. If you can have any idea of who

2:05:13 Speaker 2: SSCI staffs. I'm not going to go into it. You

2:05:16 Speaker 2: got all the pros from all the agencies, including NNGA. Right,

2:05:19 Speaker 2: you've got everybody, and you've got a direct link over

2:05:23 Speaker 2: there to call and verify things. And so with experts,

2:05:26 Speaker 2: you have to turn in metadata obviously on the original device, right,

2:05:31 Speaker 2: all these things have to be checked, and there's a

2:05:34 Speaker 2: reason you keep going in and in and in. So

2:05:38 Speaker 2: again those are Tim Phillips words. What ended up happening

2:05:42 Speaker 2: is that they were using my case to see if

2:05:48 Speaker 2: Ero was telling them the truth, so they would release

2:05:53 Speaker 2: some data to them and then essentially ask is Aero

2:05:56 Speaker 2: incompetent or are they lying? Because we know this is real,

2:06:01 Speaker 2: We've verified it's real. But when we ask Arrow, Aero

2:06:04 Speaker 2: tells us some of the stuff that Tim Phillips has

2:06:06 Speaker 2: tried to twist into the story. Right, So where am

2:06:11 Speaker 2: I going with all this? Well, there are secrets, and

2:06:17 Speaker 2: why I'm not necessarily a deep state guy. The deep

2:06:21 Speaker 2: state's fucking there right now. I'm not saying they're keeping

2:06:24 Speaker 2: aliens from us. But everything everybody's talked about in the

2:06:27 Speaker 2: way these secrets are kept is true. It's just what

2:06:31 Speaker 2: is the secret? What is the secret the material? Because

2:06:36 Speaker 2: that was the original question here is on record at SSCI,

2:06:42 Speaker 2: and that was one of their hot points. And the

2:06:44 Speaker 2: reason it was is because even if you can prove

2:06:48 Speaker 2: a picture's real with metadada and everything else, if they

2:06:51 Speaker 2: say it's not ours, then you don't know. So then

2:06:55 Speaker 2: what's next. Now I'm not going to go too far

2:06:57 Speaker 2: into the story, but we came to the conclusion that

2:07:00 Speaker 2: what was next was a data link because you couldn't

2:07:05 Speaker 2: you couldn't argue that you pull the data link and

2:07:07 Speaker 2: they go and pull those files or they won't pull

2:07:09 Speaker 2: the files for you, that you're busted, right, and some

2:07:14 Speaker 2: other particular items they wanted to look at, like things

2:07:17 Speaker 2: like let's look at what's in this and let's go

2:07:19 Speaker 2: back and look at all the previous stealth codings and

2:07:21 Speaker 2: see if there's any similarities. Right, So this has all

2:07:26 Speaker 2: went through an actual process, and it really is who's

2:07:31 Speaker 2: lying to who? There's no cohesive unit that's investigating this,

2:07:37 Speaker 2: and people have to remember that that's before you throw

2:07:39 Speaker 2: even the wild card of the house into this. Right

2:07:42 Speaker 2: right at the top level, this is what's going on.

2:07:47 Speaker 1: Doesn't give me solace for some reason, it gives me

2:07:53 Speaker 1: a bit of a gonna be honest, it gives. It

2:07:56 Speaker 1: makes me a little unsettled.

2:07:58 Speaker 2: You asked me if I thought disclosure was coming. Now

2:08:00 Speaker 2: you see why I say, it's sure the hell not

2:08:03 Speaker 2: going to be released or come from the government.

2:08:06 Speaker 5: It just.

2:08:08 Speaker 1: You said, roswell, you didn't think happened.

2:08:10 Speaker 2: Something happened, just not the spacecraft.

2:08:13 Speaker 1: What do you like? You know, the material? They talked

2:08:16 Speaker 1: about that like.

2:08:18 Speaker 2: I've heard it, but again you know and I've seen

2:08:21 Speaker 2: the picture, But is that because you know it's it's

2:08:24 Speaker 2: one of them things where where there's not evidence, you say, oh,

2:08:27 Speaker 2: well they they've hit that or distorted it. But in reality,

2:08:30 Speaker 2: what would you do, well, you would hide it or

2:08:32 Speaker 2: distort it. But for me, because a lot of people

2:08:35 Speaker 2: don't understand, you know, some of the things that we

2:08:37 Speaker 2: told them were coming and that have happened, and most

2:08:39 Speaker 2: people don't know about him, and I can't talk about

2:08:41 Speaker 2: them here. But let's just go back to the Chinese

2:08:43 Speaker 2: spy balloons, right, And this is one of the things

2:08:47 Speaker 2: I told them. If anyone comes in and briefs you

2:08:49 Speaker 2: on that and they say surveillance, throw them out of

2:08:51 Speaker 2: the fucking room. Because anytime they say that after they're

2:08:54 Speaker 2: always liked. But I don't know why because they got

2:08:56 Speaker 2: satellites and they got you know, people on the ground.

2:08:58 Speaker 2: Because that's not it. You have to study the psychological

2:09:02 Speaker 2: warfare and what the advantage is. Right. So back, you know,

2:09:08 Speaker 2: when the World Wars was going on and you get

2:09:10 Speaker 2: into Roswell, one of the things that Japan was going

2:09:14 Speaker 2: to do was send its sinerary balloons, which if one't

2:09:18 Speaker 2: for the Chinese spibulion, would sound like a ridiculous, half

2:09:20 Speaker 2: assed plan. But now people understand how jet streams really

2:09:24 Speaker 2: really fun, and the plan was they were going to

2:09:26 Speaker 2: send so many of them they fall into you know,

2:09:29 Speaker 2: Yellowstone forest fires, cities, and just for anybody, especially those

2:09:34 Speaker 2: in California that know, you can't fucking put the fire out.

2:09:37 Speaker 2: So what that says is you're being attacked in your

2:09:39 Speaker 2: own borders. And it's not because there's balloons. You just

2:09:44 Speaker 2: think they're over here on your property. So what do

2:09:46 Speaker 2: you say? You say, look, sorry, such and such country,

2:09:50 Speaker 2: but we're getting the shit be out of us. You

2:09:52 Speaker 2: pull all of our soldiers back here, which is what

2:09:55 Speaker 2: the plan. So now what happens in World War two

2:09:58 Speaker 2: if the US brings everybody back because the fre fucking

2:10:00 Speaker 2: United States is on fire and we're being attacked from.

2:10:02 Speaker 1: Within, the Nazis takeover Europe.

2:10:04 Speaker 2: It doesn't look good. So this is still something to

2:10:07 Speaker 2: this day that is used. And so what happened with

2:10:11 Speaker 2: the Chinese spy balloon? Go back and look, every single

2:10:14 Speaker 2: politician turned on the other group. Every Republican say it's

2:10:18 Speaker 2: a Democrat's fault. The Democrats says a Republican's fault.

2:10:21 Speaker 1: Shoot them down. What the fuck's going on?

2:10:22 Speaker 2: You know, all hell broke loose exactly like they wanted

2:10:26 Speaker 2: to fucking see. That was the point of the balloons.

2:10:31 Speaker 2: So what's gonna happen.

2:10:32 Speaker 1: To collect data from the ground? It was to collect response.

2:10:36 Speaker 2: Right now, again, if China jumps into Taiwan and we

2:10:42 Speaker 2: get involved, the war won't be in Taiwan. Let's not

2:10:47 Speaker 2: how we'll fight the United States. What do we know

2:10:50 Speaker 2: about drones over sensitive sites in the United States in

2:10:53 Speaker 2: military bases? That's the signal we fucking got you. And

2:10:58 Speaker 2: what are you gonna have to do with all your

2:11:00 Speaker 2: equipment and your warships? Right where do they come from?

2:11:03 Speaker 2: Off the coast right and Langley? You have to bring

2:11:05 Speaker 2: all that shit back here. And then they go walk

2:11:07 Speaker 2: right into Taiwan and win. This is the true definition

2:11:11 Speaker 2: of the three D chess. But people just want to

2:11:14 Speaker 2: think so simple about how this all progresses. But everything

2:11:17 Speaker 2: has a reason. So on the Roswell, I'm still in

2:11:21 Speaker 2: the book that it was essentially a detection balloon for looking,

2:11:26 Speaker 2: which is what the plan was, so you could detect

2:11:28 Speaker 2: the balloons coming from Japan through the jet streams that crashed.

2:11:32 Speaker 2: Understood because it makes more sense to me because I

2:11:34 Speaker 2: don't have ability to go back to Roswell and a

2:11:36 Speaker 2: time machine and get the truth. And that's my problem

2:11:39 Speaker 2: with a lot of people's stories.

2:11:43 Speaker 1: Getting into a little bit of more speculative stuff here.

2:11:48 Speaker 1: Now that we've covered a lot of the black and

2:11:51 Speaker 1: white of what you've gone through, has it opened up

2:11:55 Speaker 1: your mind in the sense that, like, do you believe

2:12:00 Speaker 1: that the phenomena is real?

2:12:04 Speaker 2: So, like I said, I'm always an open mind. One

2:12:07 Speaker 2: of the recent things that has been a it's not

2:12:12 Speaker 2: a discovery, but that my knowledge of base has come

2:12:15 Speaker 2: into it is things are so poor right now agencies

2:12:21 Speaker 2: or military branches, especially within the funding. If someone comes

2:12:25 Speaker 2: to them with the dreaded UAP, I've seen a UAP,

2:12:29 Speaker 2: or I've got something they call me and they say,

2:12:33 Speaker 2: can you talk to this guy who's got this company? Right?

2:12:37 Speaker 2: And it's not because some random person said that. There's

2:12:40 Speaker 2: always some legitimacy of why. I mean, it's already kind

2:12:43 Speaker 2: of been through the filter of this does this guy

2:12:46 Speaker 2: look real or not? And one of the questions I've

2:12:50 Speaker 2: been asked by a lot of people is about radiation,

2:12:53 Speaker 2: and I always tell them like, no, such as the

2:12:55 Speaker 2: story I was talking about, there's no there's no radiation there,

2:12:58 Speaker 2: And they've always brought that up like that's the big

2:13:00 Speaker 2: defining moment. So this particular technology that I went down

2:13:05 Speaker 2: and looked at for this company is and I'm not

2:13:09 Speaker 2: gonna get in too much, but basically, you have radiation

2:13:16 Speaker 2: in the sky that is able to be actually with

2:13:21 Speaker 2: scientific instruments, the results pulled down that says it's there.

2:13:25 Speaker 2: You can't argue that sky's like for instance, over Kansas

2:13:30 Speaker 2: or Missouri or Massachusetts. You can't have that sort of

2:13:34 Speaker 2: radiation spike to the point where these particular individuals think

2:13:41 Speaker 2: that it's a craft. Now, their equipment isn't set up

2:13:46 Speaker 2: like mine is to you know, pull that sort of

2:13:49 Speaker 2: data right, but they measure the radiation spikes, and so

2:13:53 Speaker 2: the radiation spike say it's true. So how do I

2:13:56 Speaker 2: look at that? I say, hey, we've got to figure

2:13:58 Speaker 2: out what the fuck it is anyway, right, because how

2:14:00 Speaker 2: they were doing it and what that byproduct may be.

2:14:03 Speaker 2: Someone else is going to figure it out. And then

2:14:05 Speaker 2: you don't have to send a nuke over in the

2:14:08 Speaker 2: gold dumb Sure the hell, I'm gonna pick setting up

2:14:10 Speaker 2: that's launched from the ground fifty foot up by a

2:14:12 Speaker 2: foreign national. And now we've all got radiation which has

2:14:16 Speaker 2: a bit of a shelf life. Oh yeah, water system

2:14:19 Speaker 2: and things.

2:14:19 Speaker 1: Yeah.

2:14:20 Speaker 2: With that said, that's the first time I've seen verifiable

2:14:24 Speaker 2: information and data that says there is that possibility. And

2:14:27 Speaker 2: that's one of the things I want to go and

2:14:31 Speaker 2: look at because I still have an open mind. But

2:14:33 Speaker 2: people don't like to hear it. Unless you finance this,

2:14:38 Speaker 2: it doesn't go because when I put stuff up and

2:14:41 Speaker 2: you put stuff up for radiation spikes, that's not the

2:14:45 Speaker 2: same fucking drum. It's gonna be difficult to find something

2:14:50 Speaker 2: to survive. I've we've figured out a way to do it,

2:14:53 Speaker 2: but I'm just saying, like people need a focus. You

2:14:55 Speaker 2: can lead, yeah, right, right, and then you got to

2:14:58 Speaker 2: still be able to get the data. So what good

2:15:00 Speaker 2: would it be anyway if it was in a casing.

2:15:02 Speaker 2: So these are the things that I'm trying to find

2:15:05 Speaker 2: out and I'm trying to move forward on. But again,

2:15:09 Speaker 2: even the representatives that could help me go forward on

2:15:12 Speaker 2: this with funding are all really centered around this idea

2:15:16 Speaker 2: of if it doesn't have to do with psionics, NHI

2:15:20 Speaker 2: or ORBS or any of the local celebrities, they don't

2:15:23 Speaker 2: want to hear about it. And it's like start with

2:15:26 Speaker 2: the low hanging fruit, right, instead of just saying this

2:15:30 Speaker 2: and that, let's start at the drones that are over

2:15:32 Speaker 2: a military bases. Let's work our way up. I fucking

2:15:34 Speaker 2: promise you will get to what's whatever's in the sky.

2:15:37 Speaker 1: Why do you think they don't go after cases like

2:15:41 Speaker 1: Bob Salas or Dave Shindily or Mario Woods or the

2:15:49 Speaker 1: Lowering Air Force Base? Do you think? Why do you

2:15:52 Speaker 1: think they don't seem to have an interest in finding

2:15:57 Speaker 1: out what's shutting our nuclear webs things off or turning

2:16:02 Speaker 1: them on, or just being breaching the facility you talk?

2:16:08 Speaker 1: Your case really reminds me of Ndlschem.

2:16:10 Speaker 2: Okay, question for it right right.

2:16:13 Speaker 1: Your case sounds a lot like that, where it's the

2:16:16 Speaker 1: light right, and then there's a craft inside of that

2:16:20 Speaker 1: light that that can be seen and it's and it

2:16:23 Speaker 1: then you know. But I'm not saying that that's exactly

2:16:26 Speaker 1: what it was. I'm just drawing. But why do you

2:16:30 Speaker 1: think but RF bent Waters was one of the most

2:16:33 Speaker 1: strategic UH bases for the US during the Cold War,

2:16:41 Speaker 1: so there was absolutely nuclear weapons at that at that facility.

2:16:45 Speaker 1: These things are showing the ability to interact with our

2:16:50 Speaker 1: most sensitive facilities and weaponry. If that's not a national

2:16:55 Speaker 1: security threat, what is?

2:16:57 Speaker 5: Well.

2:16:58 Speaker 2: And I don't know all the stories. I know some

2:17:00 Speaker 2: of them, and so in fairness to them, let me

2:17:02 Speaker 2: kind of do this as a as everybody's just John

2:17:06 Speaker 2: Doe here, Yeah, right, take any of those cases and

2:17:11 Speaker 2: I say to you, okay, ty, show me the proof.

2:17:16 Speaker 2: And I'm not saying I don't listen to or believe him.

2:17:18 Speaker 2: I'm just saying, as it applies to the government, a

2:17:22 Speaker 2: story doesn't mean anything. Even if you had a photo

2:17:25 Speaker 2: of a blob or a you know, an ORB in

2:17:28 Speaker 2: your claiming it did, this doesn't mean anything. And like

2:17:31 Speaker 2: we're going to see even an ORB that shoots off

2:17:34 Speaker 2: and this this, and that they feel free to release.

2:17:38 Speaker 2: You really got to bring the fucking goods.

2:17:41 Speaker 1: There's one video that comes to mind, and if this

2:17:45 Speaker 1: came out, I would love to see your reaction to it,

2:17:48 Speaker 1: because this guy named Robert Jacobs, he was he's essentially

2:17:58 Speaker 1: what he did was they would shoot up the missile,

2:18:04 Speaker 1: the rocket that the dummy nuclear warhead. So I think

2:18:07 Speaker 1: it was an atlas at the time, and if that's correct,

2:18:12 Speaker 1: if that sounds right, they shot the missile up and

2:18:16 Speaker 1: he was the one responsible for videotaping it or recording it.

2:18:21 Speaker 1: And he says that the warhead got up into the

2:18:26 Speaker 1: you know where it was supposed to be or you know,

2:18:28 Speaker 1: the general vicinity, and then this craft just flies into

2:18:32 Speaker 1: frame and he says that, you know, the dummy warhead

2:18:37 Speaker 1: is represented by my thumb, the UF this craft is

2:18:40 Speaker 1: represented by his finger, flies in, shoots a beam into

2:18:43 Speaker 1: the top flies then like moves up, shoots another beam,

2:18:47 Speaker 1: moves over, shoots another beam, and then moves over hits

2:18:51 Speaker 1: it again, and then the dummy warred tumbles out of

2:18:53 Speaker 1: the sky. The next day he's called in by the

2:18:58 Speaker 1: senior command and they ask if him were you guys

2:19:01 Speaker 1: messing around, and they showed them the footage of this

2:19:06 Speaker 1: craft entering frame and then exiting the same way it entered,

2:19:10 Speaker 1: so showing clear intelligent control. You know, in the in

2:19:16 Speaker 1: the late seventies, shooting a dummy warred out of the sky.

2:19:20 Speaker 1: A video like that, I think, do you think that

2:19:22 Speaker 1: could do? You know, maybe a little bit more than

2:19:26 Speaker 1: what we're seeing.

2:19:26 Speaker 2: There's along list of videos where I say, yeah, if

2:19:29 Speaker 2: you could get it. And then there's the problem though,

2:19:32 Speaker 2: you go back to my story, right, even if you

2:19:34 Speaker 2: bring the goods with metadata, then they say it's not ours, right,

2:19:39 Speaker 2: and then you have to bring the data link and

2:19:41 Speaker 2: you work on and on on until you can really

2:19:43 Speaker 2: fucking pin them on something. They've got a system, as

2:19:48 Speaker 2: they've ran before, to either come after you, right, make

2:19:53 Speaker 2: people not listen to you, you're crazy, not safe to

2:19:55 Speaker 2: have around your family, to go against your story. I mean,

2:19:58 Speaker 2: let's think of one more recent and like the Nimics encounter. Right,

2:20:02 Speaker 2: guess what the radar's gone? You got stories now, how

2:20:07 Speaker 2: many years has it been twenty plus? It's fading off.

2:20:11 Speaker 2: This is the fucking system. So if there's a video

2:20:14 Speaker 2: that's the only thing from that story now again, because

2:20:17 Speaker 2: I don't know the people anything else. This isn't me

2:20:19 Speaker 2: going after them, This isn't me saying they're lying. I'm

2:20:22 Speaker 2: just saying this is the way the system works where

2:20:26 Speaker 2: they're just going to try and date you out of

2:20:29 Speaker 2: the public eye, and if you don't have the proof,

2:20:34 Speaker 2: you got nothing against Not that the story couldn't be true.

2:20:37 Speaker 2: I'm just saying, when you verse the government, it's a

2:20:41 Speaker 2: different fucking story trying to get their secrets out.

2:20:45 Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely I couldn't. Is there anything Is there anything

2:20:52 Speaker 1: else that you can share that you know that would

2:20:58 Speaker 1: help the community in terms of you know what to

2:21:06 Speaker 1: do if they experience something like you have.

2:21:09 Speaker 2: Right, So this is a really good thing to point

2:21:13 Speaker 2: out because again we've been talking through this and you know,

2:21:17 Speaker 2: different people when I talk to might say, oh I

2:21:19 Speaker 2: would have panicked, or oh I would have done this.

2:21:22 Speaker 2: You have to turn into a data collection person. You

2:21:26 Speaker 2: need to know where you're standing when it happens. Right.

2:21:31 Speaker 2: It doesn't have to be exact, but if you know

2:21:33 Speaker 2: the area especially, you'll know I was on this corner

2:21:36 Speaker 2: about halfway into this field. Take note of that what

2:21:40 Speaker 2: time it is is vitally important. Because if you don't

2:21:43 Speaker 2: know satellites, they're fucking fast. Okay, two or three minutes

2:21:47 Speaker 2: off and try and use your phone, which would be

2:21:49 Speaker 2: generally correct versus a car clock or something. Right, you

2:21:57 Speaker 2: got to get all the data you can. Now here's

2:21:59 Speaker 2: the sad part. Or if you only see a light

2:22:01 Speaker 2: that goes across the sky, if it does something that

2:22:04 Speaker 2: it shouldn't be able to do, you got nothing. Even

2:22:07 Speaker 2: with the date and the time, you're most likely never

2:22:11 Speaker 2: gonna be able to get a video of it, or

2:22:13 Speaker 2: your phone's not gonna want to pick it up. These

2:22:15 Speaker 2: are the challenges you should think about ahead of time.

2:22:19 Speaker 2: So what's more valuable? You kind of got to say

2:22:21 Speaker 2: that in your head. What's more valuable spending my time

2:22:24 Speaker 2: or my eyes on versus saying, oh shit, you know,

2:22:27 Speaker 2: I pulled my phone out and I was trying to

2:22:29 Speaker 2: adjust it and it was a blurry, and people are saying, well,

2:22:31 Speaker 2: what else is going around? Did you look anywhere else

2:22:33 Speaker 2: in the sky? You know what I mean? Like this

2:22:34 Speaker 2: is you didn't check the time because you're trying to

2:22:36 Speaker 2: get a video. Granted should be time on it, so

2:22:39 Speaker 2: it's a per case basis, But I mean, I'm not

2:22:43 Speaker 2: trying to be the Debbie Downer here, but if that's

2:22:47 Speaker 2: all you got, including with Ero, you don't got a

2:22:50 Speaker 2: fucking thing.

2:22:50 Speaker 1: It's just another story. Yeah, and again it's just another

2:22:53 Speaker 1: bad example of nothing that can be gotten.

2:22:55 Speaker 2: I'm not saying it didn't affect your life. If you've

2:22:57 Speaker 2: seen something, you got visit in the middle of the

2:23:00 Speaker 2: People will usually tell me stories and say, you know,

2:23:04 Speaker 2: I know this sounds crazier. If I wouldn't you, I'd

2:23:06 Speaker 2: never believe it. And I'm like, yeah, you just fucking

2:23:09 Speaker 2: said what the public is gonna think? And then if

2:23:12 Speaker 2: you tell it to me. Whenever I hear a story

2:23:14 Speaker 2: or I participate in spaces, I mean I try to

2:23:17 Speaker 2: be a pretty uh involved, don't shy away from you know,

2:23:21 Speaker 2: speaking to people. Right is like, was there any data

2:23:24 Speaker 2: in this I could use? So you spend two hours

2:23:27 Speaker 2: on a space, just tell me about all this stuff.

2:23:28 Speaker 2: I don't have the location, I don't have the data,

2:23:30 Speaker 2: I don't have the time. There's no real information I

2:23:33 Speaker 2: can go back and look at or try and get verified.

2:23:36 Speaker 2: You have a story, it affected your life. I respect that,

2:23:39 Speaker 2: But overall to the movement, you don't have a fucking thing.

2:23:44 Speaker 1: It's a harsh reality. But yeah, I'm being.

2:23:48 Speaker 2: Harsh today, so people understand this because you don't move

2:23:51 Speaker 2: forward with stories. Is where I'm going with this, And

2:23:54 Speaker 2: we've kind of learned that from some of the hearings.

2:23:56 Speaker 2: Well not everybody, but it's now. I'm not saying they're

2:23:59 Speaker 2: lying standpoint, but you got to bring more.

2:24:05 Speaker 1: Absolutely, And what do you make of like some of

2:24:10 Speaker 1: these politicians and representatives of whether it's private companies uh

2:24:20 Speaker 1: IN in stuff like that, just military industrial complex. What

2:24:25 Speaker 1: do you make of some of these people coming out

2:24:27 Speaker 1: against investigating U I p s because they think it's

2:24:33 Speaker 1: demonic or angels and demons and we shouldn't be dabbling

2:24:37 Speaker 1: with that. What do you what do you make of

2:24:42 Speaker 1: of them turning around like that, we need them to

2:24:44 Speaker 1: be the ones to push this through, not to not

2:24:47 Speaker 1: to turn around and try to be the experts. Right,

2:24:50 Speaker 1: Yet they seem to have positioned themselves as all of

2:24:53 Speaker 1: a sudden the experts now and they're saying, you know,

2:24:57 Speaker 1: it's demons. Our vice president came out and said thought

2:25:00 Speaker 1: UFOs were demonic, Like, come.

2:25:03 Speaker 2: On, So, because there's a good example that just happened,

2:25:09 Speaker 2: I'm gonna point to a little bit. And that was

2:25:10 Speaker 2: with the preachers that just came out and said they

2:25:14 Speaker 2: were on a conference call and they heard all this information.

2:25:18 Speaker 1: Good example.

2:25:19 Speaker 2: I'm not going to get into who said what or

2:25:20 Speaker 2: what I believe, but what I will say is, and

2:25:22 Speaker 2: let's let's go ahead and torch the place here. If

2:25:26 Speaker 2: I say to you on angels and demons, and I say,

2:25:29 Speaker 2: what's the evidence? Right, I'm not talking about personal stories

2:25:33 Speaker 2: or you've seen something and you had people with you, right,

2:25:36 Speaker 2: the studios had this had that.

2:25:38 Speaker 1: You're talking about, like what video?

2:25:41 Speaker 2: What proof do you have for angels demons? You can

2:25:43 Speaker 2: have proof that something happened, but you got to convince someone.

2:25:46 Speaker 2: What would you bring to the government that would be valid?

2:25:49 Speaker 2: And unfortunately they wouldn't take that, just like they won't

2:25:51 Speaker 2: of whatnot. Like you've been through already, they come up

2:25:55 Speaker 2: with maybe this happened because you know, don't you find.

2:25:57 Speaker 1: It weird that they make you swear on a Bible?

2:26:01 Speaker 2: Well, this is kind of where I'm going with this,

2:26:03 Speaker 2: So now we jump into you know the point of

2:26:06 Speaker 2: that was is you don't have anything other than belief,

2:26:09 Speaker 2: doesn't mean it didn't happen. I'm saying what to present

2:26:13 Speaker 2: because you know, again there's always someone that will say, well,

2:26:15 Speaker 2: there's too much right, you know, too much pressure on

2:26:18 Speaker 2: the screw. Right, that's the issue here.

2:26:20 Speaker 1: So that happened to me.

2:26:23 Speaker 2: Right, let's kind of go through now church, which is

2:26:26 Speaker 2: where we're going to torch the place. What evidence do

2:26:30 Speaker 2: we have? You pick the god because there's more than

2:26:33 Speaker 2: one of any religion of proof. Okay, And now again

2:26:39 Speaker 2: I'm not going to go into different religions, but like

2:26:43 Speaker 2: you get into things and it's remarkably similar, but they're

2:26:47 Speaker 2: also not just the sky, it's the angle where it's

2:26:49 Speaker 2: like there was this god that did this and you know,

2:26:53 Speaker 2: whether it be turned water into wine or gave somebody

2:26:56 Speaker 2: certain stones to decipher, but he didn't show them to anybody,

2:26:59 Speaker 2: and he was the only one that got told how

2:27:00 Speaker 2: to do it. This is the genesis of all these

2:27:03 Speaker 2: different religions. Now, people are going to be pissed about this,

2:27:05 Speaker 2: but what I'm trying to say is if there's no

2:27:08 Speaker 2: proof for one and then that being this you know,

2:27:13 Speaker 2: demons and what not thing, and then the UFO thing, and

2:27:17 Speaker 2: there's no proof for the other, but the other, right,

2:27:19 Speaker 2: and we'll talk about one nation under God is built

2:27:22 Speaker 2: on that, right. It's everywhere you swear on a Bible,

2:27:26 Speaker 2: like you pointed out, you've already got a belief system

2:27:30 Speaker 2: that is accepted. There will never be an elected official

2:27:33 Speaker 2: or a president that won't ever have to announce what

2:27:35 Speaker 2: church he goes to. I mean, this is what we expect,

2:27:38 Speaker 2: not just accept but if you're not in church, you

2:27:41 Speaker 2: sure the hell aren't going to be my president. You

2:27:43 Speaker 2: know it's on our money. So that is an accepted answer,

2:27:49 Speaker 2: and that's how that's going to be pushed, is how

2:27:53 Speaker 2: could it not be right? We swear on a Bible,

2:27:55 Speaker 2: we do this, we do that, So that's actually and

2:27:58 Speaker 2: I'm not saying that's not his own personal feelings, right,

2:28:01 Speaker 2: but that's actually the easiest answer to give other than

2:28:04 Speaker 2: say it's all bs, because that would be accepted. The

2:28:09 Speaker 2: whole thing I mentioned with the preachers is is vultures

2:28:13 Speaker 2: know where there's there's there's the dead body and the money.

2:28:16 Speaker 2: They can sniff it anywhere you are in an industry

2:28:20 Speaker 2: where you have to provide zero proof. And I don't

2:28:22 Speaker 2: want to like get too personal and bring up people's

2:28:24 Speaker 2: bad memories, but like you have a god where you

2:28:27 Speaker 2: say they're the creator. You can never see him. If

2:28:31 Speaker 2: I right now say show me or I say strike

2:28:34 Speaker 2: me down, won't happen. Kids getting molested in the church

2:28:37 Speaker 2: by their priests, good people dying, bad people being rich.

2:28:41 Speaker 2: And it's all part of God's plan, right, that's what

2:28:44 Speaker 2: we tell ourselves. It's all part of God's plan. So

2:28:46 Speaker 2: that's the industry they're in.

2:28:47 Speaker 1: It happens for a reason, is what. This happens for

2:28:49 Speaker 1: a reason.

2:28:50 Speaker 2: It's got you know, you got to trust me.

2:28:52 Speaker 1: What reason is there for kids to be?

2:28:54 Speaker 2: And how is that a better fucking place? Right?

2:28:56 Speaker 1: Tell me? Tell me how that works.

2:28:59 Speaker 2: It's it's an industry of bullshit, okay. And then you

2:29:02 Speaker 2: now put into that the UFO part of people that

2:29:07 Speaker 2: they pray on because they say, what are you really

2:29:09 Speaker 2: believing in? And this is a lot of the community,

2:29:12 Speaker 2: so it was such an easy way. And look at

2:29:15 Speaker 2: their counts of viewers followers, right, these are the sort

2:29:18 Speaker 2: of people that are coming into the community that are

2:29:20 Speaker 2: being cheered on because they're telling the story you want.

2:29:23 Speaker 2: So my answer to that is, no, I don't see

2:29:26 Speaker 2: any angels and demons. I've certainly not ran into any

2:29:30 Speaker 2: case where it's where it's that but it still is

2:29:33 Speaker 2: the easiest answer. I know it sounded odd when he

2:29:36 Speaker 2: said it, but again, all I would have to do

2:29:39 Speaker 2: and be like, look at the back of your dollar bill, right,

2:29:43 Speaker 2: pledge of allegiance, one nation under God, Right, where do

2:29:47 Speaker 2: you you know? Who do you get married by? I mean,

2:29:48 Speaker 2: it's it's implemented in our system. So if you don't

2:29:51 Speaker 2: want to say aliens, you don't want to say bullshit,

2:29:53 Speaker 2: you're going to just say angels and demons.

2:29:58 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very true, is very true. Yeah, default back

2:30:02 Speaker 1: to your your core you know, core religious doctrine like that. Yeah,

2:30:11 Speaker 1: it's that default answer that they can give.

2:30:14 Speaker 2: So just real fast, if you say aliens and people

2:30:17 Speaker 2: don't believe with you, they say you're crazy. I mean,

2:30:18 Speaker 2: that's that's the common thing. If you if you believe

2:30:20 Speaker 2: in God and I say I don't believe in that,

2:30:22 Speaker 2: no one says, oh, that person's crazy because they believe

2:30:24 Speaker 2: in that. They're just like, yeah, I'm not religious. But

2:30:27 Speaker 2: such easier calm, you know.

2:30:29 Speaker 1: But again forgive me. But by definition, an angel or

2:30:36 Speaker 1: a demon would be what non human intelligence. I'm not

2:30:43 Speaker 1: calling it aliens. I find that word to be kind

2:30:47 Speaker 1: of like too much in a box. And I think

2:30:51 Speaker 1: Arrow has done has showed people that they why do

2:30:55 Speaker 1: they use the word only the word extra terrestrial. It's

2:31:00 Speaker 1: way of lying by omission. Right, You're you're you're saying

2:31:04 Speaker 1: that we have no evidence of extraterrestrial life. Well no

2:31:08 Speaker 1: one said that. Well that's exactly what we thought it was.

2:31:11 Speaker 1: The U and UFO or UAP is unidentified. Big he there, right,

2:31:17 Speaker 1: So no one ever wanted you to go looking just

2:31:19 Speaker 1: for extraterrestrials. It could be interdimensional ultraterrestrial. And so I

2:31:25 Speaker 1: find the words to be chosen very specifically.

2:31:29 Speaker 2: I'll harp on this just a little bit more, just

2:31:31 Speaker 2: so people I'm clear on my position on it, which

2:31:34 Speaker 2: is that you know, you look into the Bible and

2:31:37 Speaker 2: you look at a globe. If anyone still has one,

2:31:40 Speaker 2: I'm getting dated, But I do everything that happened in

2:31:43 Speaker 2: the Bible happened in Israel, not the world.

2:31:47 Speaker 1: Isn't that funk weird?

2:31:48 Speaker 2: So again, if you believe it, two of every animal

2:31:53 Speaker 2: we're put on the arc and so on. So now

2:31:54 Speaker 2: we're using the same book to describe what is an

2:31:57 Speaker 2: angel or what is a demon? And this is of

2:32:00 Speaker 2: course not that there's not religion. There's not setting. I mean,

2:32:03 Speaker 2: I believe there's something that happens afterwards. It just means,

2:32:05 Speaker 2: and we've talked about this before, when man touches something,

2:32:08 Speaker 2: it just turns to stories and ruins what the truth is.

2:32:12 Speaker 2: So angels and demons, you know, are angel being any

2:32:16 Speaker 2: non human intelligence? I don't think was thought out in

2:32:19 Speaker 2: that way. And I think people who believe in this

2:32:21 Speaker 2: are pulling that long stretch because eventually the story was

2:32:26 Speaker 2: and I think you and I have talked about this.

2:32:28 Speaker 2: The first saucer that got put in a newspaper was

2:32:31 Speaker 2: described as moving like a saucer on water, not actually.

2:32:34 Speaker 1: Sasa a saucer, but then everyone started.

2:32:37 Speaker 2: A saucer, right, So this is kind of what my

2:32:40 Speaker 2: problem is with this, where it's like then we thought

2:32:43 Speaker 2: they were coming from Mars and outer space. Now most

2:32:45 Speaker 2: people will kind of agree, like we've got enough up

2:32:48 Speaker 2: there and things that like, that's probably not happened. So

2:32:51 Speaker 2: now it's in the sea. It's interdimensional, could be, but

2:32:54 Speaker 2: I feel like people are just working through formulating a

2:32:58 Speaker 2: narrative where it's it could still be angels or demons

2:33:02 Speaker 2: because it's not human intelligence. It's like you're moving the goalposts.

2:33:07 Speaker 1: I never really liked it like that.

2:33:10 Speaker 2: Just again, if you can show up and turn the

2:33:12 Speaker 2: water in a wine or I mean any of this stuff.

2:33:14 Speaker 2: I mean my view of this, Well.

2:33:16 Speaker 1: What do you make of things like Stargate? I mean,

2:33:20 Speaker 1: we know that government has looked into things that seem

2:33:25 Speaker 1: like magic, yeah, right, and had success allegedly. So are

2:33:29 Speaker 1: you saying that you don't think do you think this

2:33:32 Speaker 1: has all been conflated to something to some degree?

2:33:36 Speaker 2: I would say from the people, I won't drop me

2:33:39 Speaker 2: names right now because I've got enough battles, but that

2:33:41 Speaker 2: have accolades of working for agencies for decades. You can

2:33:47 Speaker 2: be pretty fucking crazy and still work for an agency,

2:33:51 Speaker 2: and add enough, a lot of them were involved in this. Now,

2:33:54 Speaker 2: with that said, even from my own crew, there's this

2:33:58 Speaker 2: quote that basically goes like there's a fine line between

2:34:01 Speaker 2: genius and mad man. And it's true. And the problem

2:34:06 Speaker 2: is the mad man isn't actually a bad thing if

2:34:09 Speaker 2: you don't go over there full fucking term. Right. So

2:34:12 Speaker 2: what I'm saying is I can show you all the

2:34:16 Speaker 2: data We've pulled, the videos, the metadata of something doing

2:34:20 Speaker 2: something that defies physics. Right, what a regular even a

2:34:25 Speaker 2: high level physicists will tell me is that's not possible

2:34:29 Speaker 2: because the math doesn't And it's like, well, we've verified

2:34:33 Speaker 2: everything we're showing you right, so obviously it is fucking possible.

2:34:36 Speaker 2: So I have to deal with.

2:34:38 Speaker 1: So obviously we don't have an under mad man.

2:34:40 Speaker 2: Because they're the only ones that will be like, let

2:34:42 Speaker 2: me fucking figure out how this, you know, like, let

2:34:45 Speaker 2: me come up with something. So again, there is a

2:34:49 Speaker 2: value to these people in the community. I don't want

2:34:51 Speaker 2: to come out like I'm just hitting them. It's just

2:34:54 Speaker 2: sometimes and I can tell you again because I work

2:34:56 Speaker 2: with all these people, some other ideas or what whatnot

2:35:00 Speaker 2: could be out there. But did the government look into it. Yeah,

2:35:02 Speaker 2: and they also were staring at goats And you know, again,

2:35:06 Speaker 2: we need the fucking data. If you can't put the

2:35:08 Speaker 2: data down, which is what a year against you, you know,

2:35:13 Speaker 2: it's still just a fucking story. You know. What I

2:35:16 Speaker 2: want to say kind of lastly on that is, as humans,

2:35:21 Speaker 2: you believe one of two things. For the most part.

2:35:23 Speaker 2: One story is your God created everyone, which means out

2:35:29 Speaker 2: of nothing, and no matter what religion you're in, he

2:35:32 Speaker 2: spoke to somebody or he showed himself to somebody or

2:35:35 Speaker 2: he's you know, not recently obviously, but the origin of

2:35:39 Speaker 2: the of the religion. The second part is is you

2:35:42 Speaker 2: believe that we were some sort of you know, bacteria

2:35:45 Speaker 2: or microbe on a rock, and then we went through this,

2:35:49 Speaker 2: We went through that, monkeys and cavemen, and we're here evolution. Okay,

2:35:55 Speaker 2: So look at both of those. How did we get

2:35:58 Speaker 2: to where we are right now? If it's our technology,

2:36:02 Speaker 2: If God can speak to you through your mind, how

2:36:06 Speaker 2: come he couldn't have just told somebody how the fuck

2:36:08 Speaker 2: to make this? If we've advanced from back carry on

2:36:12 Speaker 2: a fucking rock, you're telling me we couldn't come up

2:36:15 Speaker 2: with a craft that does exactly what the mnemics encountered.

2:36:18 Speaker 2: I mean, we've been flying for low over one hundred years.

2:36:20 Speaker 2: So it's not that I don't think people should consider it,

2:36:24 Speaker 2: but both of those answers come down to it, it still.

2:36:27 Speaker 1: Would have been human made, right.

2:36:29 Speaker 2: So that's kind of where I'm stuck at because I

2:36:32 Speaker 2: can't find other people's proof, which is why I gave

2:36:36 Speaker 2: up on the word that it come from part of it,

2:36:39 Speaker 2: part of it, because it's just not worth the time.

2:36:41 Speaker 1: It's so much of a I'll never get those lands

2:36:44 Speaker 1: so much of a rabbit hole.

2:36:46 Speaker 2: I don't have access to that. I know what I

2:36:48 Speaker 2: can do now, and that's the key for me going forward.

2:36:51 Speaker 1: Is there any question I missed? Are you a religious man?

2:36:56 Speaker 2: I consider myself highly religious, don't attend church? I do.

2:37:01 Speaker 1: Do you think there's an afterlife or.

2:37:03 Speaker 2: There is definitely something that happens when you pass away.

2:37:08 Speaker 2: I don't know if I would go as far as afterlife,

2:37:10 Speaker 2: because even if you look at you know, religions, Catholics,

2:37:12 Speaker 2: Jehovah Witnesses, some religions don't even have a hell, they

2:37:15 Speaker 2: only have a heaven. But when you analyze that, it's

2:37:18 Speaker 2: always everybody's getting along, and it's like, well, then that's

2:37:21 Speaker 2: not the people that die. So as everybody is zombie

2:37:24 Speaker 2: that got their brain piffed, and everybody just says, yeah, hi,

2:37:26 Speaker 2: how are you?

2:37:27 Speaker 1: Like?

2:37:27 Speaker 2: That's not where I would want to It's not what

2:37:29 Speaker 2: I would call it, right, I want to tie I

2:37:31 Speaker 2: fucking knew, you know, right, Like that's how you think

2:37:33 Speaker 2: about family. So again, there's so many problems in those stories,

2:37:37 Speaker 2: but I do feel pretty confident that when you pass away,

2:37:41 Speaker 2: something happens. I just don't have the answer of what,

2:37:45 Speaker 2: and I'm pretty sure what we've been taught everywhere is

2:37:47 Speaker 2: probably not the right story.

2:37:50 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm with you on that. I'd fall under

2:37:54 Speaker 1: that same category of saying that I don't think we

2:37:56 Speaker 1: have it right, not even close, because and the reason

2:38:01 Speaker 1: I say that is because the one thing I the

2:38:04 Speaker 1: one thing the universe doesn't seem to be is wasteful.

2:38:07 Speaker 1: It just doesn't doesn't waste anything, and it seems weird

2:38:15 Speaker 1: that this would be all just for nothing.

2:38:17 Speaker 2: Right, So for sure, I mean, you know, there's this

2:38:23 Speaker 2: question that's always like do you think someone else is

2:38:26 Speaker 2: out there? And even people that are kind of not

2:38:28 Speaker 2: kind of they're detested by the community, like Kirkpatrick would

2:38:30 Speaker 2: be like, yeah, statistically, there has to be another life

2:38:34 Speaker 2: form they usually say, you know, in this universe, not galaxy.

2:38:39 Speaker 2: And you know, if you actually talk to someone that

2:38:42 Speaker 2: does that, like believe or not, there's people that do this.

2:38:44 Speaker 2: Now if anyone that's seen Moneyball knows now about the professions,

2:38:47 Speaker 2: you know, seticians and whatnot, but they would actually tell

2:38:50 Speaker 2: you that if you look at that modern it would

2:38:53 Speaker 2: be the other way around, because it's so rare, it's

2:38:57 Speaker 2: almost impossible to think that it would happen somewhere else

2:39:00 Speaker 2: versus the universe is so big it's got to happen. Again,

2:39:03 Speaker 2: there's two ways to look at that, to phrase that right,

2:39:08 Speaker 2: So again we know we're pretty come from. There's nothing

2:39:11 Speaker 2: else in our galaxy. There's no you know, how it'd

2:39:13 Speaker 2: you know, right, But again it may just be the

2:39:18 Speaker 2: one one thing. Now with that said, you scares me more. Well,

2:39:22 Speaker 2: here's what I always say, because this is what I

2:39:24 Speaker 2: think about, right, Like I don't think about the aliens,

2:39:27 Speaker 2: I don't think about where did this come from? I

2:39:30 Speaker 2: view it in this sense. You know. One of the

2:39:32 Speaker 2: things that happened when we go into SSCI is they'd

2:39:34 Speaker 2: kind of want to know like how to battle with

2:39:35 Speaker 2: the arrow, right, So in every fucking briefing I had

2:39:39 Speaker 2: this section called walking down a physicists, and what that

2:39:43 Speaker 2: meant was they'd be like, well, they told us this,

2:39:45 Speaker 2: They told us that, you know, right, not possible defies physics.

2:39:49 Speaker 2: So I would start with things that everybody agrees on,

2:39:52 Speaker 2: including NASA, which is, you know, there's a particular planet

2:39:55 Speaker 2: that's so bright it defies the laws of physics. It

2:39:58 Speaker 2: should have exploded, you know, planet star right, and so

2:40:03 Speaker 2: that defies physics. Everybody agrees it's all been validated on information.

2:40:07 Speaker 2: So we know physics can be defied. Look at the Sun.

2:40:11 Speaker 2: Every day in your life. The sun's been up there,

2:40:13 Speaker 2: it's always ten years away. We've never been able to

2:40:15 Speaker 2: replicate a source that can just fill itself back up.

2:40:19 Speaker 2: It just there's so many instances and you get back

2:40:21 Speaker 2: down here to Earth and we'd point out things like

2:40:23 Speaker 2: there was this mystery on you spin magnets around and

2:40:27 Speaker 2: it changes the magnetic field right, And that was discovered

2:40:31 Speaker 2: in a way that when they wanted to test it,

2:40:33 Speaker 2: they literally got drills, you know, like you would drill

2:40:35 Speaker 2: a hole in your wall, put magnets on the end,

2:40:38 Speaker 2: and then got some high dollar Mornding equipment. But it's like,

2:40:40 Speaker 2: how often have we had magnets and drills. No one's

2:40:44 Speaker 2: discovered this stuff. So this idea of like we know

2:40:47 Speaker 2: what physics are now, I would walk that all the

2:40:49 Speaker 2: way back from the universe. And where I would start

2:40:53 Speaker 2: with is, even though there's theories, where does the universe end?

2:40:57 Speaker 2: We've actually been measuring it for a long time notes growing. Yeah,

2:41:02 Speaker 2: but here's the problem. We said end. You can't define

2:41:06 Speaker 2: volume without knowing the parameters, and nothing can just end.

2:41:12 Speaker 2: What's on the other side, what's holding this thing in place?

2:41:15 Speaker 1: Floating?

2:41:16 Speaker 2: Oh, it's uh, you know this area of nothing? Well,

2:41:19 Speaker 2: how long does the nothing go on? Because it's obviously

2:41:21 Speaker 2: got to be something we're growing into it. Oh, it

2:41:24 Speaker 2: goes this one? Okay, Well, what's hold in that place?

2:41:26 Speaker 2: And you'll never get to a fucking answer of what's

2:41:28 Speaker 2: holding everything into place because something would have to be

2:41:31 Speaker 2: holding it into place, and on on on, and you

2:41:35 Speaker 2: can't say it goes on forever because there's no fucking

2:41:38 Speaker 2: way for everything anything, to ever go on forever. So

2:41:40 Speaker 2: you have two possibilities and they're both fucking impossible. So

2:41:45 Speaker 2: the people that want to believe in different things, I

2:41:47 Speaker 2: never try and come at them too hard because it's like,

2:41:50 Speaker 2: we got to admit we live in a possible fucking world.

2:41:53 Speaker 2: You know, the simulation theory I've never bothered to answer.

2:41:58 Speaker 1: But doesn't it for all the reasons you just listed.

2:42:01 Speaker 2: But it's because it's not the right question. You know,

2:42:04 Speaker 2: if you want to say to me, do you think

2:42:05 Speaker 2: we're in somebody's video station, you know, video game? I'm

2:42:09 Speaker 2: fine with that, but it doesn't answer the question because

2:42:11 Speaker 2: whatever five foot tall lizard people are playing us on

2:42:14 Speaker 2: their PS five, they have to have a sky. Where

2:42:18 Speaker 2: does their fucking sky in? And what's holding their galaxy

2:42:20 Speaker 2: and play? And so that's my question, is the big

2:42:22 Speaker 2: one of Like, so it's not that I don't entertain it,

2:42:27 Speaker 2: it's that you're asking. You know, for me, that's not

2:42:29 Speaker 2: the fucking question.

2:42:30 Speaker 4: You want to go right again, that's fine, but you

2:42:37 Speaker 4: still would have to have someone running it, and then

2:42:38 Speaker 4: you get back into the questions where the fuck is

2:42:40 Speaker 4: all this in because it can't and it can't also

2:42:42 Speaker 4: go on forever.

2:42:43 Speaker 2: So anything is possible is kind of my end. No,

2:42:47 Speaker 2: it doesn't mean everything's.

2:42:48 Speaker 1: Possible, but anything is possible.

2:42:53 Speaker 2: Correct.

2:42:53 Speaker 1: So, and I've actually never liked defies physics. It's like,

2:43:00 Speaker 1: because that suggests that we have a full understanding of

2:43:04 Speaker 1: the universe's properties, and I think that's fair to say

2:43:07 Speaker 1: that we do not if things are already defining those You.

2:43:12 Speaker 2: Can't say that and also agree that there's multiple examples

2:43:15 Speaker 2: that we know defy physics. You can't say both. And

2:43:18 Speaker 2: that's why I would give them that amo to go

2:43:20 Speaker 2: in and be like, oh, really, explain the sun to

2:43:22 Speaker 2: me then.

2:43:25 Speaker 1: Right, thank you for having the courage to answer these questions.

2:43:37 Speaker 1: Is there anything that you want to tell people I'm

2:43:42 Speaker 1: Before we wrap.

2:43:42 Speaker 2: Up this, I'll catch people up to where I am today.

2:43:45 Speaker 2: You know, like I've always said, some people say word

2:43:47 Speaker 2: defined you. If I show up, I show up just

2:43:49 Speaker 2: like here, you know, the same way online. You know,

2:43:54 Speaker 2: that's just kind of how I am. I try to be,

2:43:56 Speaker 2: and I feel like I've easily been in more spaces,

2:43:58 Speaker 2: not because I do a whole lot, it's just everybody else,

2:44:01 Speaker 2: especially whistleblowers, And I understand why are kind of laying low,

2:44:05 Speaker 2: but I'm usually out there in my storial stand. I've

2:44:07 Speaker 2: got legs, but I'm working on things still within the government.

2:44:12 Speaker 2: We're getting ready to head up to d C in

2:44:15 Speaker 2: a couple of days, and we've caught attention of lots

2:44:18 Speaker 2: of people, and that includes the executive branch as we

2:44:22 Speaker 2: speak about reason and be and think what you want

2:44:26 Speaker 2: about people. But when you go through what I went

2:44:28 Speaker 2: through for multiple years, and you know, the same thing

2:44:31 Speaker 2: the SSCI said is like, well, you've already essentially been

2:44:34 Speaker 2: run through the ringer by all these other branches that

2:44:37 Speaker 2: have ver you know, validated you, and now we come

2:44:39 Speaker 2: up here in validate you. That's what the executive branch wanted.

2:44:44 Speaker 2: Even though you've got one team kind of work into

2:44:47 Speaker 2: what if it's aliens, there's another team wanting the actual

2:44:50 Speaker 2: answers of what the fuck's in the sky. Yeah, and

2:44:54 Speaker 2: that happens to be just me. So I'm doing a

2:44:56 Speaker 2: lot behind the scenes. Can't always tell people, but there

2:45:00 Speaker 2: is a lot going on. Try not to ruin it

2:45:05 Speaker 2: if you don't have something better or some validation would

2:45:08 Speaker 2: be my own encouragement to end it on. Let the

2:45:10 Speaker 2: process play out here.

2:45:12 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people do need to find

2:45:13 Speaker 1: their place and they don't have that. Like, like, I

2:45:18 Speaker 1: know what my place is, right is to facilitate stories,

2:45:22 Speaker 1: and sometimes I help facilitate people with other people. I

2:45:26 Speaker 1: know what my job is. More people need to know

2:45:29 Speaker 1: what they need to do.

2:45:30 Speaker 2: We probably should have inted it because now I'm gonna

2:45:32 Speaker 2: come down kind of hard on people just because I'm

2:45:34 Speaker 2: gonna make that point.

2:45:35 Speaker 1: Right, we can always cut it out.

2:45:39 Speaker 2: No, No, well, let's put this in. So I'm gonna

2:45:42 Speaker 2: say something that sounds incredibly harsh, and most people want

2:45:45 Speaker 2: to turn this off. Don't because I want to explain

2:45:48 Speaker 2: what it means, probably not what you think.

2:45:50 Speaker 1: Right zooming on his face. Now, just for this part, I'm.

2:45:53 Speaker 2: Just kidding everyone that's listening to this, Okay, don't don't

2:45:58 Speaker 2: turn this off. Hear me out is nobody sounds terrible.

2:46:03 Speaker 2: Now I work with my kids schools. I preach the

2:46:06 Speaker 2: opposite of that. Right, everybody's a somebody, everybody has a

2:46:10 Speaker 2: place in the world. So then what do I mean?

2:46:13 Speaker 2: What I mean is this, We've been through this. If

2:46:16 Speaker 2: I give you the secret sauce to what's in the

2:46:19 Speaker 2: stealth coding of these things that can do this, can

2:46:22 Speaker 2: you go back and look at the files of all

2:46:24 Speaker 2: of our various stealth codings is classify.

2:46:27 Speaker 1: No.

2:46:28 Speaker 2: If I tell you what satellite you need to pull this,

2:46:31 Speaker 2: this this from, can you do that?

2:46:34 Speaker 1: No?

2:46:34 Speaker 2: If I give you GPS, date, time and stamp. I'm

2:46:36 Speaker 2: not talking about a trial to you know, flight tracker,

2:46:40 Speaker 2: because that shit doesn't show up on that can you

2:46:43 Speaker 2: pull it?

2:46:44 Speaker 5: No?

2:46:44 Speaker 2: And people have to understand that that like, you have

2:46:48 Speaker 2: to go about things differently than you are on both

2:46:52 Speaker 2: sides skeptics and folks that are telling or story. And

2:46:57 Speaker 2: if you're not willing to fight the government, you won't

2:47:00 Speaker 2: get there. And if you fight the government to beat them,

2:47:03 Speaker 2: you got to play on their field by their rules.

2:47:06 Speaker 2: Everybody keeps trying to move the wealth. We'll get the UAPDA,

2:47:09 Speaker 2: we'll get the files released, just sure the fuck won't.

2:47:12 Speaker 2: They're going to keep that shit hidden. So again, my method,

2:47:16 Speaker 2: whether people like it or not, is to play on

2:47:18 Speaker 2: their field by their rules and try and fucking beat them. There.

2:47:23 Speaker 1: Love it. That's such a good place to end. Dude,

2:47:26 Speaker 1: Thank you, you've been absolutely wonderful, and go fight for us. Right.

2:47:35 Speaker 2: I'm telling you the answers are possible to get and

2:47:38 Speaker 2: hopefully when I get.

2:47:38 Speaker 1: Them, I hope you'll come back and share them.

2:47:43 Speaker 2: I'll be back and if I ever go missing, hopefully

2:47:46 Speaker 2: it's for a good reason. Ok, not the opposite, Yeah,

2:47:49 Speaker 2: right right, right right.

2:47:52 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for being air man. Good luck

2:47:58 Speaker 1: with everything that you're about to go try and do.

2:48:01 Speaker 1: If yeah, if you always have an open door here,

2:48:04 Speaker 1: and thank you everyone for watching. H of course you

2:48:07 Speaker 1: know we usually do uh film. We always ask, you know, respectfully,

2:48:17 Speaker 1: what people want, and we're always willing to accommodate. And

2:48:21 Speaker 1: if someone doesn't want to be seen on camera, I

2:48:23 Speaker 1: respect that, and I respect why you do you know

2:48:29 Speaker 1: why you did ask that? Uh. And you know, for

2:48:32 Speaker 1: anyone else who thinks that you have to go on

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2:48:40 Speaker 1: protect your family, just know that that's not the case.

2:48:44 Speaker 1: And we are willing to work with you to better humanity. Uh,

2:48:50 Speaker 1: and not you know, put you in danger. So this

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2:49:05 Speaker 2: You go buy Whistling Mike. Just Mike's fine.

2:49:09 Speaker 1: On this X. So I'll put that link in the description.

2:49:12 Speaker 1: Blow for anyone wants to follow you and hear you

2:49:16 Speaker 1: know more of what you have to say. And for

2:49:18 Speaker 1: everyone else, stay humble, stay kind, and stay vigilant, and

2:49:22 Speaker 1: we'll see you next time.

2:49:27 Speaker 6: The thing is black, where the truth was kept behind

2:49:32 Speaker 6: the lines while the silence slept. We trace the static

2:49:38 Speaker 6: on a lonely while searching the desert for a frozen fire.

2:49:50 Speaker 6: The horizon's wide and the night is deep promises that

2:49:56 Speaker 6: the agent sees wait for the light to break the seal.

2:50:06 Speaker 1: Nothing planes that.

2:50:08 Speaker 6: They can conceal in the total disclosure. We find our

2:50:13 Speaker 6: way sooner.

2:50:16 Speaker 1: Redacted to the light of day.

2:50:20 Speaker 2: They're redacted to the light of.

2:50:25 Speaker 6: The poles, scan the sky, and Drew doesn't live in

2:50:30 Speaker 6: a professional lie. Join the signal, join the sound until

2:50:39 Speaker 6: the next time. We're breaking ground.

2:50:48 Speaker 2: So for ten minutes we hit this thing with everything

2:50:51 Speaker 2: we had to document it.

2:50:54 Speaker 1: I just hit my copy. That was hilarious. All Right,

2:51:08 Speaker 1: I gotta stop him in this fucking thing. Alright, it's

2:51:11 Speaker 1: too