Lue Elizondo's Attorney Ivan Hannel: "SCIF FLU" & Rep Luna On JRE- Karl Nell & The Apocalypse?

0:24 Speaker 1: All right, welcome back to Total Disclosure. Got a special

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0:34 Speaker 1: I'm gonna get back into this, you know, doing a

0:37 Speaker 1: live show per week, making sure that that we're interacting

0:41 Speaker 1: and engaging with the community more consistently. I was a

0:45 Speaker 1: little bit delayed today. I do want to apologize for that.

0:50 Speaker 1: But guys, we've got a great show for you today.

0:53 Speaker 2: I want to say.

0:54 Speaker 1: Welcome everyone to Tell the Disclosure. As I said before,

0:57 Speaker 1: today on the show, we'll be having an electrified discussion.

1:00 Speaker 1: We're diving deep into the enigmatic world of UFOs and

1:04 Speaker 1: government disclosure with none other than Ivan handle Esquire, a

1:08 Speaker 1: powerhouse attorney who's becoming a more prominent voice and figure

1:13 Speaker 1: in the UAP conversation. As the legal counsel for Lou Elizondo,

1:18 Speaker 1: a former head of a TIP. Whether you like it

1:21 Speaker 1: or not, Lou has become a leading voice in UFO disclosure.

1:25 Speaker 1: Ivan is a front row seat to some of the

1:28 Speaker 1: most groundbreaking developments in this space, from navigating congressional briefings

1:33 Speaker 1: to protecting whistle blowers and facilitating.

1:36 Speaker 3: The avergence of new insiders.

1:38 Speaker 1: Ivan's journey, Glenn's law secrecy and the Search for Truth. Tonight,

1:44 Speaker 1: we'll explore Ivan's experiences, unpack the legal and poelitical complexities

1:50 Speaker 1: of UFO disclosure, and maybe get a glimpse at what's

1:53 Speaker 1: coming next.

1:55 Speaker 2: Kick back, Gradicola and buckle up.

1:57 Speaker 1: It's going to be Oh why ride.

2:08 Speaker 2: All right, mister Hanl. Good to have you on the show,

2:11 Speaker 2: my friend. Thanks. I sorry, I'm the one who was delayed,

2:16 Speaker 2: and I apologize that so it was not your delay,

2:19 Speaker 2: it was mine. But keeping everything honest. But thanks very much,

2:23 Speaker 2: and you know, happy to chat with you. I hope.

2:26 Speaker 2: I have a tendency to look at the screen rather

2:27 Speaker 2: than the camera, so I apologize. I'll do my best.

2:30 Speaker 1: You're fine, man, You're fine. I'm sure you've been in

2:33 Speaker 1: far more tense environment.

2:39 Speaker 2: This is you and I have.

2:41 Speaker 1: A conversation as as as friends and you know, Jimmy

2:45 Speaker 1: I think Jimmy Church has a really good saying.

2:48 Speaker 2: We should always.

2:48 Speaker 1: Steal it from him. But uh, you know where the

2:51 Speaker 1: conversation starts. It starts where it ends, it ends, but

2:54 Speaker 1: will end as friends.

2:55 Speaker 2: Oh that's a beautiful one. That's a great I was

2:57 Speaker 2: on I think I was with Jimmy Church once on

2:59 Speaker 2: the radio. Sho show you to you seemed like a

3:01 Speaker 2: very nice person.

3:02 Speaker 3: Yeah he is.

3:03 Speaker 2: He's pretty intense. He's really intense. Actually, oh interesting, Okay,

3:07 Speaker 2: that's interesting. I thought I did find him to be

3:09 Speaker 2: very pro disclosure, which you know, I certainly respect. And yeah,

3:15 Speaker 2: that was that was a nice time. Yeah, so I listen.

3:18 Speaker 1: I've been watching your presence in the community grow, so

3:22 Speaker 1: I've been very eager to chat with you, and you know,

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4:04 Speaker 1: Okay, Bill's paid one last time.

4:07 Speaker 2: Thank you, Ivan.

4:08 Speaker 3: Let's get let's get started. Brother, the your seasoned attorney.

4:15 Speaker 1: UFOs and UAPs aren't exactly standard legal fare. What was

4:20 Speaker 1: the defining moment when you first got pulled into this

4:24 Speaker 1: world of ufology and how did your relationship with buel

4:28 Speaker 1: Zondo begin?

4:31 Speaker 2: You know, there wasn't really a moment in particular. I

4:34 Speaker 2: think I just became interested in it like anybody else.

4:38 Speaker 2: You know, I go back to the sort of seven

4:40 Speaker 2: old twenty seventeen New York Times article and you know,

4:45 Speaker 2: began to give it more credit. Perhaps I was not

4:48 Speaker 2: a historian of UFOs. It's not that I thought it

4:50 Speaker 2: was impossible, as I've said many times, I simply thought

4:53 Speaker 2: it was unlikely that in my lifetime I would be

4:56 Speaker 2: the you know, part of the generation where there was

4:59 Speaker 2: a recognition of some sort of presence or observation or

5:03 Speaker 2: whatever it is. And also, frankly, I was fairly skeptical

5:06 Speaker 2: that the United States government could keep a program to

5:12 Speaker 2: recover and deconstruct or whatever you want to call it,

5:16 Speaker 2: reverse engineer UAP. I prefer to call them UFO. So

5:21 Speaker 2: I'm just going to go back to that, and everybody

5:23 Speaker 2: else can say whatever they want. But I just thought

5:27 Speaker 2: it was somewhat improbable. But you know, in reflection, you know,

5:30 Speaker 2: you can think of, you know, by analogy, that there

5:33 Speaker 2: are programs that you know, the atomic bomb probably wasn't

5:36 Speaker 2: known by very many people up until it blew up.

5:39 Speaker 2: The D Day invasion, where you know, both sides had

5:41 Speaker 2: certainly incentives to learn what was happening on the other

5:44 Speaker 2: side and what's going to happen within a certain period

5:47 Speaker 2: of time, was held secret despite hundreds of thousands of

5:50 Speaker 2: people being on either side waiting for death. Frankly, so

5:54 Speaker 2: you know, you can see, you know, so it's possible,

5:58 Speaker 2: I mean, and you know, the levels of stupidity, frankly

6:02 Speaker 2: that the government is capable of is astronomical. Another example

6:06 Speaker 2: which gave me reason to think it might be possible

6:09 Speaker 2: that they would do something as inane as trying to

6:12 Speaker 2: hide the recovery and reverse engineering of UFOs and associated

6:17 Speaker 2: strange things, was you know, Agent Orange. Actually, I mean,

6:21 Speaker 2: if I you know, if you ever, I came from Arizona,

6:23 Speaker 2: and Arizona is very hard to maintain a garden without

6:26 Speaker 2: having weeds. It's just like you've got to nuke the ground.

6:28 Speaker 2: And I'm not in favor of that. I prefer a

6:30 Speaker 2: more natural setting. But in Arizona. It's all fake law

6:33 Speaker 2: lawns and whatever, and you're out there cutting the grass

6:36 Speaker 2: and so on. So so to imagine defoliating and whoever

6:43 Speaker 2: came up with the genius idea of defoliating entire mountain

6:46 Speaker 2: ranges and paths in a country in order to drop

6:49 Speaker 2: iron bombs which are imprecise anyway, you know, is one

6:53 Speaker 2: of the most extraordinarily stupid endeavors that could have ever happened.

6:59 Speaker 2: And yet it did, you know, And I could go

7:01 Speaker 2: on and on, you know, the whether it's nine to eleven,

7:04 Speaker 2: the ridiculous invasion of the wrong country, uh, during the

7:08 Speaker 2: random you know, during the Afghanistan, you know, in modern

7:11 Speaker 2: whole thing. And then even our response to COVID was

7:15 Speaker 2: completely asinine. It's not that I'm you know, anti vaccine necessarily,

7:19 Speaker 2: but uh, you know, I iknew so without going into

7:23 Speaker 2: all the you know, my my whole COVID stuff, Uh, fundamentally,

7:28 Speaker 2: I had to accept that might be possible that the

7:30 Speaker 2: US government, you know, we both had some very well

7:34 Speaker 2: hidden program that it persisted over many decades, and in

7:37 Speaker 2: addition was for some strange set of probably very human reasons,

7:44 Speaker 2: not necessarily good reasons. But human reasons was inhibiting knowledge

7:48 Speaker 2: about this within the domain of physics. Is Eric Weinstein

7:53 Speaker 2: perhaps you know, believes or or just to the general public,

7:58 Speaker 2: you know, and and and so I had to give

8:00 Speaker 2: it some credence and that's where it kind of began

8:02 Speaker 2: for me. And then they became more formally involved, as

8:05 Speaker 2: you know, and of referenced only last year, although I

8:09 Speaker 2: think I was a little bit before that, you know,

8:11 Speaker 2: chatting with people in the community, reaching out to people

8:14 Speaker 2: and getting their perspective, and you know that that was it.

8:18 Speaker 2: So it wasn't you know, it wasn't one seminal moment

8:21 Speaker 2: where you know, I was in my car and you know,

8:24 Speaker 2: light came out and all that crap. Now, it's not

8:27 Speaker 2: like that. It was just very.

8:29 Speaker 1: You have a you didn't have a Jake Barber moment

8:33 Speaker 1: where or passed through you.

8:35 Speaker 2: And you know, that's a fascinating thing. I mean, I

8:38 Speaker 2: both envy him for having such an extra extreme experience.

8:41 Speaker 2: He certainly, in my opinion, believes what he believes. Genuinely.

8:45 Speaker 2: That's what I infer by looking at his face and

8:47 Speaker 2: understanding him and you know, his behavior. He really seems

8:50 Speaker 2: to have had a phenomenal experience. I've had no experiences

8:53 Speaker 2: what I must have whatever it is that keeps the

8:55 Speaker 2: aliens away, and some people think that's good and some

8:58 Speaker 2: people think that's bad. I have no opinion of it.

9:01 Speaker 2: I'm not a you know, I'm not a eufologist, not

9:03 Speaker 2: only in the in the sense that I've studied. You know,

9:06 Speaker 2: I haven't studied this field as some have, and many

9:08 Speaker 2: people sort of use that as a I wouldn't say

9:12 Speaker 2: a crutch. I wish I could do much more study,

9:15 Speaker 2: but you know, they feel very aligned with the study

9:18 Speaker 2: of this phenomena. I, you know, really see it in

9:22 Speaker 2: a very narrow lens. I'm not necessarily I almost think

9:26 Speaker 2: of sometimes, you know, it's almost like a Jihattist for UFOs. Rather,

9:30 Speaker 2: I am an American who wants our government to work,

9:33 Speaker 2: and I think this would be one way of maybe

9:36 Speaker 2: getting to some community, both within the United States and

9:40 Speaker 2: within the world, so that we have something better to be.

9:44 Speaker 2: And my predicament throughout this journey has been that the

9:48 Speaker 2: people involved in this whole thing, not all of them.

9:52 Speaker 2: Many of them are great people, and I don't want

9:54 Speaker 2: to malign all of them, but we need to be

9:58 Speaker 2: better on the route to the destination. As I always say,

10:02 Speaker 2: it's not the aliens won't save us from ourselves. If

10:04 Speaker 2: we bring mal intent and corruption and conspiracy and power

10:09 Speaker 2: broker y and behind the scenes bullshit, then the net

10:12 Speaker 2: result will be uh, you know, the aliens aren't going

10:15 Speaker 2: to fix that. And there are many people who are

10:17 Speaker 2: very enthused for the technology and they think they're going

10:19 Speaker 2: to fly around on magic carpets or what the fuck

10:22 Speaker 2: it is, sorry curse and you know, but for me,

10:27 Speaker 2: that's not that's insane. You're not going to be better

10:30 Speaker 2: on Mars with your you know, magic technology. You're not

10:34 Speaker 2: going to be better. You're going to be just who

10:36 Speaker 2: you are. So who we are now actually matters. And

10:39 Speaker 2: there's many people within this community who allow people a

10:42 Speaker 2: very poor character and poor behavior and actually bad intent

10:48 Speaker 2: to lead this group of people. And I think it's

10:52 Speaker 2: really unfortunate because your character does matter. You know, people change,

10:57 Speaker 2: I understand, and we're all a mix of good and bad.

11:00 Speaker 2: So you know, I understand that, but I'm not willing

11:04 Speaker 2: to sacrifice my principles on the road to UFOs. That's

11:13 Speaker 2: a good point. And so so after you have this

11:20 Speaker 2: or at least you.

11:21 Speaker 1: Have these series of thoughts where you start to consider

11:27 Speaker 1: that what has been said around the UFO topic may

11:32 Speaker 1: in fact there be there there is a there. Uh

11:36 Speaker 1: you You then, how do you meet Elizondo and how

11:40 Speaker 1: do you become specifically one of the most well known

11:45 Speaker 1: people in in in ufology?

11:49 Speaker 2: How do you call ufology? I call it upology. I'm sorry,

11:52 Speaker 2: I just I don't know.

11:53 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's I think it's a potato. It'sato, honestly, Okay, Yeah,

11:57 Speaker 1: so uphology. So, I mean, you went from zero to

12:01 Speaker 1: sixty real quick, and it was some man who was

12:04 Speaker 1: represented mind you, I didn't mean to cut you off there.

12:07 Speaker 1: I do apologize. This is a man that was represented

12:11 Speaker 1: by Danny Shean, right, this is a man who led

12:20 Speaker 1: one of the most now at least allegedly led one

12:24 Speaker 1: of the most well known you know, UFO programs, you know,

12:30 Speaker 1: kind of what the whole twenty seventeen article was based around.

12:34 Speaker 1: So you're reading that article and then you become a

12:37 Speaker 1: lawyer for the guy that's talked about in that article.

12:41 Speaker 2: Sure, So how does that happen? Well, I mean it

12:45 Speaker 2: was very simple. I'll be you know, I'll tell you

12:48 Speaker 2: the story I met him. I mean it's not a

12:49 Speaker 2: big deal. And by the way, I know for you

12:51 Speaker 2: all it's a big deal. But you know, I represent people,

12:53 Speaker 2: whether you're a client, you know, who has a business

12:56 Speaker 2: dispute with another client, whether it's corporations disputing certainly represented individuals,

13:01 Speaker 2: and many kinds of things. I take everybody sort of

13:03 Speaker 2: the same. So for me, it wasn't some you know,

13:09 Speaker 2: I know, I know it's hard for you all to imagine,

13:10 Speaker 2: but I'm not. Again, I'm not a you know, I'm

13:13 Speaker 2: not a ufologist necessarily. I'm simply a lawyer who found

13:17 Speaker 2: himself in unusual circumstance with an interest in the field. Okay,

13:20 Speaker 2: that's it. I met Lou because a guy named Ewan Fung,

13:23 Speaker 2: who is the former head of the UAP Disclosure Fund,

13:28 Speaker 2: nice person. I happened to meet him once. I think

13:30 Speaker 2: they were frankly looking for you know, there were some

13:34 Speaker 2: additional people on this call with Lou who are perhaps

13:38 Speaker 2: maybe going to give some funds or something like that,

13:40 Speaker 2: and I just got I knew them, they were friends,

13:43 Speaker 2: and I still respect them. They're two very nice people

13:45 Speaker 2: in the community, and so I was introduced. I really

13:48 Speaker 2: don't have any other greater explanation than that. It was

13:50 Speaker 2: just a random moment where you know, it was like, Hey,

13:53 Speaker 2: would you like to meet Lou I was like, I didn't.

13:55 Speaker 2: I frankly didn't know much about him. I know that

13:57 Speaker 2: sounds strange because you all did, but I didn't know

14:01 Speaker 2: a whole lot about him. And got on the phone,

14:03 Speaker 2: and you know, I found it to be a very

14:05 Speaker 2: interesting and kind and re seeingly reasonable person. So I

14:08 Speaker 2: got along with him. Well, and that really is and

14:11 Speaker 2: I apologize, and you know, that's it. So it was

14:13 Speaker 2: just a very sort I'm gonna meet my family.

14:15 Speaker 1: That was it.

14:15 Speaker 2: It was just a very positive experience, and enjoyed his conversation,

14:20 Speaker 2: and you know, we continued to talk. I think he

14:23 Speaker 2: at that point did not have a particular uh you know,

14:28 Speaker 2: I don't know what was going on with his legal world,

14:30 Speaker 2: but so we just talked to people. Now that really

14:33 Speaker 2: where it began.

14:36 Speaker 1: You recently mentioned a new witness who could blow open

14:40 Speaker 1: the New Jersey drone mystery, and that challenges Arrow's narrative

14:45 Speaker 1: and really the official narrative that's been put forth by

14:50 Speaker 1: the Trump administration, by the Buide administration, by pretty much

14:55 Speaker 1: everybody without reviewing sensitive details what makes this witness so

15:00 Speaker 1: significant and how could their testimony, you know, reshape the

15:03 Speaker 1: public narrative and speculation about the incident.

15:07 Speaker 2: So I don't know that I've suggested that he's you know,

15:11 Speaker 2: I don't know if quite I've characterized it that way,

15:13 Speaker 2: but let me But I do think he has important

15:15 Speaker 2: things to say, and I think he's a good person.

15:19 Speaker 2: I met him, boy what, I don't know. It might

15:23 Speaker 2: have been eight months ago. It was a random thing.

15:25 Speaker 2: He reached out to me. He had a very unusual story,

15:29 Speaker 2: although he was fairly readisent to share all the details

15:32 Speaker 2: of it, which is typical. And I tend not to

15:34 Speaker 2: ask questions of people beyond what they're willing to share,

15:38 Speaker 2: out of respect for their internal you know, their internal morality.

15:42 Speaker 2: So I don't try to coerce people in telling me

15:45 Speaker 2: their stories or anything that you know, would certainly be classified.

15:49 Speaker 2: And with him, he was not a government person and

15:53 Speaker 2: seemed nice. He had a very unusual story and the

16:00 Speaker 2: details of which, however, at least initially I could not confirm. However,

16:08 Speaker 2: he did share with me, and then you know, became

16:11 Speaker 2: more interested. Of course, a lot of the communications that

16:13 Speaker 2: were going on, frankly with the Senate S s C.

16:17 Speaker 2: I centered a rounds and others in his office, and

16:22 Speaker 2: eventually Arrow too. And although you know, these are you know,

16:26 Speaker 2: emails and texts and so on, and they don't necessarily,

16:29 Speaker 2: you know, out of some degree of caution. I don't

16:33 Speaker 2: think people put in, you know, the full script. So

16:35 Speaker 2: I'm getting you know, you're kind of reading a whole

16:38 Speaker 2: event or series of events that have transpired. But nevertheless,

16:42 Speaker 2: there was a lot of smoke, and I didn't, you know,

16:47 Speaker 2: I've not seen the underlying materials that he possesses, say

16:51 Speaker 2: one component, and I don't mean a component, I just

16:54 Speaker 2: mean a thing. But you know, I began to consider

17:01 Speaker 2: his his story, and and he he asked me to

17:08 Speaker 2: do a particular, very narrow task that was important to him.

17:12 Speaker 2: I really didn't even understand why I was that important,

17:15 Speaker 2: but I was successful with that task ultimately, and I

17:19 Speaker 2: assumed it was just gonna leave it from there. You know,

17:21 Speaker 2: I didn't really know what his desire was in full relief,

17:27 Speaker 2: but he seemed to have had, you know, not the

17:31 Speaker 2: best experience with certainly Errow, and I didn't know how

17:35 Speaker 2: to make it right, but I was glad to have

17:36 Speaker 2: accomplished the narrow task that I was asked to do,

17:39 Speaker 2: which is fine by me. I'm an attorney or not.

17:41 Speaker 2: You know, I don't have to see all the inside baseball. Then, however,

17:48 Speaker 2: you know, Tim Phillips went on with Mick West, and

17:52 Speaker 2: and actually what predates that, and was Representative Burlison spoke

17:58 Speaker 2: to him, had some communications. I wasn't privy to that,

18:02 Speaker 2: which is fine. I'm not a you know, I'm not

18:04 Speaker 2: not a control freak. Well, unfortunately, there are there's this

18:09 Speaker 2: the ufology crowd is filled with absolute maniac control maniac

18:13 Speaker 2: except I don't know that there's there might be, you know,

18:15 Speaker 2: some comparable group of people who are extraordinarily controlling. I

18:21 Speaker 2: think it might deal be because I'm part of the

18:23 Speaker 2: military and intelligence community background of these lunatics. But in

18:29 Speaker 2: any event, I you know, he brothers and went out

18:34 Speaker 2: said he had met with my client, felt there was

18:36 Speaker 2: some degree of truth to what he was presenting. Let's say.

18:42 Speaker 2: So that was fine. I didn't know where it was

18:44 Speaker 2: going to go, but I wished him well. And then

18:46 Speaker 2: the strangest thing happened, which was, you know, the Tim

18:48 Speaker 2: Phillips interview with Mick West.

18:50 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's through I mean not through me for a loop.

18:54 Speaker 2: It is strange. I mean, I I don't know, you know,

18:57 Speaker 2: I wasn't really keeping track of Tim Phillips. I really

19:00 Speaker 2: didn't know much about him as a person. I knew

19:02 Speaker 2: about Kirkpatrick just through the same stuff that you see

19:05 Speaker 2: online and so on, and you know, he didn't seem

19:10 Speaker 2: he seems smart but disingenuous, let's say. But Tim Phillips,

19:15 Speaker 2: you know, I began to see that he was on

19:17 Speaker 2: many podcasts, and on this podcast that around the forty

19:20 Speaker 2: two forty three minute mark, he was asked a question

19:23 Speaker 2: by Mick West, which was, you know, what was it

19:26 Speaker 2: like to work with Arrow? Now? One of the funny

19:28 Speaker 2: things about Tim Phillips, if you're an observer of people,

19:31 Speaker 2: is that he tends to be fairly discursive. I am too,

19:34 Speaker 2: sometimes because I'm tired and sometimes, you know, I kind

19:36 Speaker 2: of want to lay out all my thinking. But he

19:41 Speaker 2: was asked what was it like to work with the

19:43 Speaker 2: task Force? Now, we can certainly talk more about the

19:45 Speaker 2: task Force shortly. I'm sure that's gonna be a topic.

19:47 Speaker 2: But he was asked that, and his response was extraordinarily strange.

19:51 Speaker 2: It was it was orthogonal, to the question it was

19:55 Speaker 2: you know, what was it like to work with the

19:56 Speaker 2: task force? He could have said, you know, it was great,

19:59 Speaker 2: or you know it's mint, or it wasn't my real

20:01 Speaker 2: responsibility or whatever, and instead he says, they sent us

20:06 Speaker 2: one witness who I had, you know, Essentially, he implied

20:10 Speaker 2: that this one witness was a danger to others because

20:16 Speaker 2: he said, I'm not a medical professional. And you know,

20:18 Speaker 2: if I say I'm not a medical professional, but you're

20:21 Speaker 2: a bank thief, you can't excuse your words by preceding

20:27 Speaker 2: them with I'm not a medical professional, but I think

20:29 Speaker 2: you're you know, wanted by the law that it doesn't work.

20:33 Speaker 2: And he did that typically in a sort of self

20:35 Speaker 2: protective way that people do. And then he also went

20:39 Speaker 2: and said that you know that he brought in physical materials.

20:43 Speaker 2: Mick West asimal, what you know, what did you did

20:45 Speaker 2: you bring in physical materials? And having knowledge that he

20:48 Speaker 2: did have physical materials, I was surprised that he was

20:53 Speaker 2: willing to confirm that, and he did confirm it, and

20:55 Speaker 2: then he went on to say that as a result

20:57 Speaker 2: of that, either the physical materials and other written and

21:01 Speaker 2: videographic and photographic and other information which I again I've

21:04 Speaker 2: not seen myself but for one small but for you know,

21:07 Speaker 2: sort of emails and texts and one object. He he

21:13 Speaker 2: basically said that as a result of that, he went

21:15 Speaker 2: back to talk to the chairman of which I assumes

21:18 Speaker 2: the chairman of the SSCI, and who I believe is

21:23 Speaker 2: Tom Cotton at least you know, and this year, and

21:29 Speaker 2: he said he talked to him and as a result

21:33 Speaker 2: he was recommended to go get read in to various

21:37 Speaker 2: programs at what he called the Nevada test site, which

21:39 Speaker 2: I assume is Area fifty one or something like that.

21:43 Speaker 2: And then even stranger, he said that because of his

21:46 Speaker 2: read into those programs and his knowledge of what my

21:49 Speaker 2: client brought forth, that what he could understand why people

21:57 Speaker 2: might think this technology was alien in nature because it

22:02 Speaker 2: must be so technologically advanced. That was a mind blowing

22:06 Speaker 2: moment in some respects, although you're having to follow sort

22:09 Speaker 2: of the lattice work of Tim Phillips' presentation and thought process,

22:15 Speaker 2: but essentially it confirmed that at least in some great degree,

22:23 Speaker 2: whatever it was that my client presented to Centered Rounds

22:27 Speaker 2: and Sci and Arrow was compelling enough to go get

22:31 Speaker 2: Tim Phillips red into I guess at least more than

22:34 Speaker 2: one program, he said program. So I'm just going to

22:36 Speaker 2: infer it's more than one that has what might seem

22:41 Speaker 2: to be alien technology. Now, because I know my client's story,

22:46 Speaker 2: and I know it's exact timeframe two thousand and three,

22:50 Speaker 2: and because I know what he claims he saw, it

22:53 Speaker 2: would certainly not be a minor technology. And I want

22:56 Speaker 2: to clarify, just for everybody, when you say something is

23:00 Speaker 2: alien like, right, which is what Tim Phillips said, it

23:04 Speaker 2: is distinct from saying it is simply advanced. So if

23:09 Speaker 2: I said to you, you know, if I showed you

23:12 Speaker 2: the I believe it's the NAD. I forget what it's called.

23:15 Speaker 2: The F forty seven, I don't know some new plane

23:17 Speaker 2: that we're building or potentially building, and I said to you,

23:21 Speaker 2: does that look alien like? I don't think you would

23:24 Speaker 2: say yes. I mean, you might say, shirts an upgrade

23:26 Speaker 2: from the F thirty five or the F fifteen or

23:29 Speaker 2: the F four, you know, one of those planes, But

23:32 Speaker 2: you wouldn't say, wow, that's alien right. So what it is,

23:35 Speaker 2: What this means is this is not just an incremental

23:39 Speaker 2: or even a significant but still prosaic. Let's say improvement

23:46 Speaker 2: upon existing technology. This seems to be a capability or

23:49 Speaker 2: a capacity that is wild. Now. Originally putting it back

23:55 Speaker 2: at two thousand and three was very strange for me, because,

23:58 Speaker 2: first of all, I simply just didn't have the imagination

24:01 Speaker 2: to think that the United States government could be that

24:04 Speaker 2: advanced back in two thousand and three. I mean, you know,

24:07 Speaker 2: I have not been told the drones over the East

24:10 Speaker 2: Coast and elsewhere have been sort of presenting themselves, as

24:12 Speaker 2: well as many videos of whatever it seems to be

24:14 Speaker 2: going on. You know, I just didn't think we had

24:17 Speaker 2: made that kind of advancement that was presented. You know,

24:23 Speaker 2: I just couldn't fathom it.

24:24 Speaker 1: Because I go ahead, well finish your point, because what

24:29 Speaker 1: I'm about to say is going to require I apologize.

24:33 Speaker 2: No no, no, that's fine. I've probably gone to to have

24:35 Speaker 2: a tency.

24:35 Speaker 3: No no, no, no, I'm loving this. Keep gone.

24:38 Speaker 2: But based on what you know I knew about the story,

24:43 Speaker 2: and based on Tim phillips qualification of you know, confirmation,

24:49 Speaker 2: whatever you want to call it, it suggested to me

24:53 Speaker 2: that we've had a program and I've heard things that

24:56 Speaker 2: suggest that we have some very advanced programs standing. I

25:01 Speaker 2: didn't know how long standing. But you know, you think

25:02 Speaker 2: about things like James Lekatski said, you know, I don't

25:05 Speaker 2: know it took twenty years to get inside. You know,

25:07 Speaker 2: he talked about getting inside of U. Yes to twenty years.

25:10 Speaker 2: Well when was that? And you know, perhaps this is

25:14 Speaker 2: been going on for much longer. I mean, we know

25:17 Speaker 2: that there's been programs since this, you know, since the forties.

25:20 Speaker 2: But you know, I had kind of accepted the idea

25:23 Speaker 2: that they had gotten nowhere or that we certainly would

25:25 Speaker 2: exercise we would use this tremendous capacity to do something

25:30 Speaker 2: at least militarily, if not for social good. But we haven't.

25:34 Speaker 3: So it would have popped up in the public sector

25:36 Speaker 3: such I would.

25:37 Speaker 2: Have thought so at some point. I mean, I'm sure

25:39 Speaker 2: there's plenty of unique technology or you know, some super

25:42 Speaker 2: torpedo or some super communications system or so even some

25:46 Speaker 2: great satellites or something, but nothing that you know, we

25:48 Speaker 2: don't understand is being sort of part of the five

25:51 Speaker 2: observables or something very unusual. Right, But it appears to

25:55 Speaker 2: be the case that we made some significant advances. Does

25:57 Speaker 2: this mean that you know the tik bak was human

25:59 Speaker 2: or not? I have no idea. I may have no

26:01 Speaker 2: claims about that. He may have an idea about that

26:03 Speaker 2: the object that he saw was not a tic tac

26:05 Speaker 2: or at least at least at least initially. I can't

26:08 Speaker 2: say later because I don't you know, I don't know

26:10 Speaker 2: all the details, and I can't speak for him. And

26:13 Speaker 2: by the way, just really quick, I haven't said enough

26:17 Speaker 2: about him. He's a good person. He wants to you know,

26:21 Speaker 2: he's just a business person. He is not a ufology

26:26 Speaker 2: you know advocate. He it's not that he discredits it

26:29 Speaker 2: or thinks it's unreasonable. He's just very sort of looking

26:32 Speaker 2: to help the United States with what he considers a

26:35 Speaker 2: prosaic need, at least in terms of, you know, a

26:39 Speaker 2: thing that he can help with. It's based on human technology,

26:42 Speaker 2: let's leave it at that. And so so that's his mindset.

26:46 Speaker 2: And you know, I was shocked by the way he

26:49 Speaker 2: was treated maligned for no reason. You know, there's so

26:52 Speaker 2: many missteps these intelligence community people make to arbitrarily because

26:58 Speaker 2: probably because frankly, I think was bothered by the weeks,

27:02 Speaker 2: the preceding weeks, you know, when Burlison said he had

27:07 Speaker 2: met with this whistleblower, and so they know who they

27:09 Speaker 2: all are. I think he was in his head and

27:12 Speaker 2: he was responding to something that bothered him. And so

27:16 Speaker 2: in addition to simultaneously saying that my client and again

27:20 Speaker 2: it is not Llewell's not a pleased for those who

27:22 Speaker 2: are new understanding.

27:23 Speaker 1: So is this the person that has been talked about

27:26 Speaker 1: as a potential future whistleblower.

27:29 Speaker 3: But will not right now? A.

27:32 Speaker 2: He's not a whistleblower. He's not a part of the government.

27:35 Speaker 2: He's not revealing some he's not interior to a program

27:37 Speaker 2: and coming out and saying there's corruption or whatever. He's

27:40 Speaker 2: a private citizen who ran into a very unusual event,

27:45 Speaker 2: had happened to have, through himself and his family, the

27:48 Speaker 2: background to perhaps engage it in a sophisticated way and

27:53 Speaker 2: gathered evidence and worked at it and figured some things out. Now,

27:56 Speaker 2: again I can't speak to I've never seen it, you know,

27:59 Speaker 2: I can only see the degree to which SSC I

28:04 Speaker 2: was taking him seriously, trying to get him perhaps funding,

28:07 Speaker 2: but was running into roadblocks because what he wanted to do, frankly,

28:11 Speaker 2: was to help, you know, to help America prepare for

28:14 Speaker 2: or at least understand that although this technology is very advanced.

28:18 Speaker 2: It is not fool proof, and to me, the relevancy

28:22 Speaker 2: of all of this is not what the underlying technology is.

28:24 Speaker 2: Although it's very interesting because it may be derived from

28:27 Speaker 2: our favorite topic, right uap or UFOs, And that's where

28:30 Speaker 2: it becomes very interesting. But it also becomes interesting in

28:33 Speaker 2: another way, which is that for me, I was reflecting,

28:37 Speaker 2: I was thirty years old on nine to eleven, and

28:41 Speaker 2: that was a you know, I remember, and you're pretty

28:44 Speaker 2: I don't know how you look a little young, but

28:46 Speaker 2: you know, compared.

28:47 Speaker 1: To thirty yeah, thirty two, so yeah, it's nine to eleven.

28:52 Speaker 2: Yeah, you were young. You probably felt it. But you know,

28:55 Speaker 2: I was thirty years old and watching people take swan

28:58 Speaker 2: dives off of towers because of lunatic gihat is unfortunately,

29:02 Speaker 2: which now are throughout our country with their insanity. But

29:08 Speaker 2: but you know, I watched people swan dive off the

29:10 Speaker 2: World Trade centers, and then I watched just make every

29:13 Speaker 2: possible mistake in terms of how we treated our people,

29:16 Speaker 2: in terms of invading the wrong country, in terms of

29:18 Speaker 2: not you know, Halle Burton, if you remember all of that,

29:20 Speaker 2: and it's corruption and you know, you know, all the

29:23 Speaker 2: wrong things happen, and you know, so it was very

29:27 Speaker 2: it was very shocking, and so for me personally, you know,

29:31 Speaker 2: I really think that we have a big problem with drones.

29:36 Speaker 2: Whatever these drones are over New Jersey and had been

29:40 Speaker 2: prior to that over Colorado, Nebraska are a significant issue.

29:45 Speaker 2: Whether they are merely advanced drones, whether they incorporate some

29:49 Speaker 2: phenomenal technology, I don't know. I can't trust any videos

29:52 Speaker 2: and photos anymore. I'm not a sleuth like that, But

29:55 Speaker 2: what I will say is that President Trump.

29:59 Speaker 1: It's a sad world that live in where video evidence

30:01 Speaker 1: is is, you know, with the advancement of AI, video

30:05 Speaker 1: evidence is essentially like kind of it's being every day

30:11 Speaker 1: more and more rendered obsolete in terms of credibility.

30:15 Speaker 2: Yeah, kind of. It's a strange thing where as you

30:18 Speaker 2: advanced technologically, the more truth can be found in the past.

30:23 Speaker 2: And you know, and that's why doctor via via Roel,

30:27 Speaker 2: if I was pronouncing her name's work might be very

30:29 Speaker 2: important to astro chain because it predates, you know, our

30:33 Speaker 2: efforts in space. So that science is incredibly important in

30:37 Speaker 2: my opinion, although I certainly don't know what transients are

30:39 Speaker 2: and still doesn't make sense to me. You know what

30:41 Speaker 2: they are doing.

30:44 Speaker 3: I could.

30:45 Speaker 1: I was watching it, and I'm like, I don't really understand,

30:49 Speaker 1: Like it was full frustrating because I'm like, I don't

30:51 Speaker 1: really fucking understand what she's saying, but it sounds like

30:55 Speaker 1: something that's very impactful and the science like that. That's

30:59 Speaker 1: of course I had to do research. But I feel

31:01 Speaker 1: you're frustrated that guy.

31:03 Speaker 2: And that guy Dennis. I'm sorry. I don't know his

31:05 Speaker 2: name as Asperg or something like that. I'm sorry. I

31:07 Speaker 2: just I apologize. I don't know his last name and

31:09 Speaker 2: I'm probably mispronouncing, but his Asperger not Asperger. I don't

31:15 Speaker 2: think it's that. I'm sorry, but but whatever his name is,

31:18 Speaker 2: and I apologizer. He you know, his very emotional video

31:23 Speaker 2: that he put up and then took down, And you know,

31:25 Speaker 2: I really don't love taking down tweets because I not

31:29 Speaker 2: unless frankly, there's a spelling her. Sometimes I'm tempted because

31:32 Speaker 2: I often misspell. I hate to do that, but or

31:35 Speaker 2: if I really mistook something or was incorrect, I'm always

31:38 Speaker 2: willing to correct myself. But his h you know, he

31:43 Speaker 2: seems like a person of good will in his sense

31:45 Speaker 2: that something was very a miss or or maybe with

31:50 Speaker 2: the science or with the information is persuasive to me.

31:54 Speaker 2: You know, that's something there is there. So I wish

31:56 Speaker 2: them luck and hopefully they can uh help the scientifically

32:02 Speaker 2: less literate like myself and the scientific community which is literate,

32:07 Speaker 2: come to do some conclusion about what what might be

32:10 Speaker 2: going on. So it's unusual, but in any event, you know,

32:12 Speaker 2: so for me, my client is a good person. He

32:15 Speaker 2: was really just trying to to to look for sharing information,

32:20 Speaker 2: seeing the business opportunities, and really working in good faith

32:23 Speaker 2: with the executive branch and also with the Congress. Unfortunately,

32:26 Speaker 2: as you can tell, it's a it's a it's it

32:29 Speaker 2: is kind of a swamp in some respects. And uh,

32:31 Speaker 2: you know, I know that he remains. I know that,

32:33 Speaker 2: you know, if there is somebody out there who does

32:36 Speaker 2: have the relevant congressional ties, you know, he's willing to

32:41 Speaker 2: certainly re engage the government and and and do what

32:44 Speaker 2: he can because again he's a patriot, he's he's around

32:48 Speaker 2: my age, and and he just danced to do what

32:52 Speaker 2: he considers the right thing. As well as you know,

32:54 Speaker 2: he's invested with a lot of money, so there's business

32:56 Speaker 2: interests there. So it's a combination of the things. But

32:59 Speaker 2: ultimately I think that Tim Phillips confirmed something is very

33:03 Speaker 2: significant about the information he presented. It has implications towards

33:08 Speaker 2: advanced technology, the drones that we've seen over the East Coast,

33:12 Speaker 2: which have been confirmed by President Trump. However, you know,

33:14 Speaker 2: simply as FAA approved.

33:16 Speaker 3: I don't I don't think that that's true.

33:19 Speaker 2: And it begs all the questions of why are they there,

33:22 Speaker 2: and what are they doing? And what technology do they use?

33:25 Speaker 2: And are they all are And you know, I've heard

33:27 Speaker 2: different things. He seems to have some sense that they're

33:31 Speaker 2: that China has made some advancements, if not maybe to

33:34 Speaker 2: our degree. But I can't speak for him, and until

33:37 Speaker 2: he wants to come forward more, it is his choice

33:40 Speaker 2: to remain in the background. But I would say that

33:46 Speaker 2: he was mistreated by Arrow. This is no unusual thing, right,

33:51 Speaker 2: I mean, I think let me let me tell you

33:53 Speaker 2: on the point that I just like to make and

33:54 Speaker 2: I see these weird patterns. But although I'm not particularly

33:57 Speaker 2: a fan of Dave Grush, I will say for reasons,

34:01 Speaker 2: I will say that the release of his medical records

34:04 Speaker 2: is extremely you know, unfortunate. It's not a good look. Well,

34:08 Speaker 2: I don't know if that had anything to do with Arrow.

34:09 Speaker 2: Perhaps not, but if I found it coincidental that in

34:15 Speaker 2: Kim Phillips deriding my client it became medicalized as him being,

34:19 Speaker 2: you know, a danger to himself or others there. You know,

34:23 Speaker 2: you see these patterns by people and then they repeat

34:26 Speaker 2: because they can't help themselves, and I find that disgusting.

34:30 Speaker 2: If I don't like you and who you are and

34:32 Speaker 2: what you're going to say, I'm gonna tell it to you.

34:33 Speaker 2: I'm very direct that way, and people don't like that.

34:36 Speaker 2: And that's okay, because I don't live for ufology or

34:39 Speaker 2: the UFOs. Frankly, I mean, I'm just going to say

34:41 Speaker 2: here once and for all everybody, I'm not that I

34:48 Speaker 2: don't care about the aliens. I care about the humans. Okay.

34:51 Speaker 2: I don't care about your technology and your craft. I

34:53 Speaker 2: don't think you're going to do any good with it.

34:55 Speaker 2: I think that the knowledge of it is important in

34:59 Speaker 2: the same way the knowledge of how the sun works

35:01 Speaker 2: or how black holes work is also important. It teaches

35:04 Speaker 2: us about what reality is and is not, and whether

35:07 Speaker 2: it is masked to us or not. But I am

35:10 Speaker 2: not particularly interested in, you know, that reality of aliens

35:15 Speaker 2: or any child whatever you want to call them, a UFOs,

35:17 Speaker 2: all that stuff, It does not fascinate me. The problems

35:20 Speaker 2: we have are between and within us as human beings.

35:24 Speaker 2: And I have said multiple times in many different formats

35:27 Speaker 2: that the problems are us and the aliens will not

35:30 Speaker 2: save us. And I mean that. And so deception and

35:33 Speaker 2: control behind the scenes in this field is what exactly

35:38 Speaker 2: is holding us back. And then you look at Congress

35:40 Speaker 2: and with some exceptions such as I believe Tim Burchad

35:43 Speaker 2: is a very nice person. I think Representative Brosen is

35:45 Speaker 2: a really nice person. Yep. I think Senator Rounds is

35:48 Speaker 2: a very intelligent person who might be keeping some things

35:51 Speaker 2: from us. Yeah yeah, But outside of that, I'm not

35:58 Speaker 2: that you know, this is not my ghod. My ghod

36:02 Speaker 2: is to try to make government better and to bring

36:04 Speaker 2: openness and accountability and transparency and ultimately cooperation. All of

36:08 Speaker 2: this should be for a cooperative approach to resolving a sociological, political, technological,

36:15 Speaker 2: and scientific phenomena.

36:18 Speaker 1: Well, what do you what do you think about if

36:22 Speaker 1: trillions of dollars have been misallocated and funneled into essentially

36:29 Speaker 1: black illegal uh illegally run without proper oversight from Congress

36:36 Speaker 1: and thus the people that the taxpayer. Again, this is

36:42 Speaker 1: a human issue, right, and so yes, if we find

36:46 Speaker 1: out because Rogan and Luna had a conversation and I

36:50 Speaker 1: want to talk to a little bit about something else

36:53 Speaker 1: that that was said. But if we find out that people,

36:57 Speaker 1: I mean, do you support mass and this?

37:01 Speaker 2: I personally do not. I don't, Okay, No, no, no, no,

37:05 Speaker 2: I can understand where people are. You know, let's just

37:08 Speaker 2: forgive everybody and move on so that there's no I'm

37:13 Speaker 2: glad you feel passionate. That's nice. But again, yes, no,

37:17 Speaker 2: I would not favor a mass amnesty for people. I

37:19 Speaker 2: can understand that. You know, if you did the rough calculations,

37:22 Speaker 2: just say, well, if you forgive you know, one hundred

37:24 Speaker 2: or a thousand or ten thousand people. I don't know

37:25 Speaker 2: how many people are behind all of this. Probably many

37:28 Speaker 2: are dead, you know, it last a long time and

37:30 Speaker 2: so on. But if we forgive them now, we will

37:32 Speaker 2: get the benefit of aliens and spaceships and we will

37:36 Speaker 2: go send to the stars and all of that. No,

37:39 Speaker 2: you won't, You'll do what you've always done, which has

37:41 Speaker 2: been corrupt and ridiculous. So there must be accountability. And

37:45 Speaker 2: then when you think about the people who allege, and

37:47 Speaker 2: you know, I believe there's some truth there. I haven't

37:49 Speaker 2: seen enough to bring a legal case. But to the

37:51 Speaker 2: people who alleged that they were in programs just with

37:54 Speaker 2: them in very distressing positions and all this stuff, you

37:57 Speaker 2: know that like the gay program, I don't know the

37:59 Speaker 2: truth of it, you know, and I've got a lot

38:01 Speaker 2: on my plate, but I would you know something of interest,

38:03 Speaker 2: let's say, And I'll continue to keep my eye on it.

38:05 Speaker 2: And I've met some very nice people who are good

38:07 Speaker 2: people who say they were part of it, and I

38:09 Speaker 2: don't dispute them. But at the same time, you know,

38:12 Speaker 2: they have to want to do more, and I have

38:13 Speaker 2: to have the evidentiary basis to do anything more. So

38:17 Speaker 2: I'm at a loss with it. I'm at a standstill,

38:19 Speaker 2: but I do I think it would be absolutely wrong

38:25 Speaker 2: to compromise our ethics and also my morality at least

38:32 Speaker 2: to forgive people for harming others and deceiving the American people.

38:35 Speaker 2: No doubt, if there were trillions of dollars or hundreds

38:38 Speaker 2: of billions or whatever it is spent over time on

38:41 Speaker 2: black programs, you know, and there is a need for

38:43 Speaker 2: black programs, because even the lineem that you have. You know,

38:46 Speaker 2: I'm not saying that black programs don't have a place,

38:51 Speaker 2: but the fact that there seems to be nobody to

38:54 Speaker 2: account for whatever that might be going on, and they

38:58 Speaker 2: deny any knowledge of this other than telling us at

39:01 Speaker 2: least the ontology that we have some unique technology opportunities

39:04 Speaker 2: from craft that we you know. And of course I

39:06 Speaker 2: don't think they can because once you open up that

39:08 Speaker 2: can of worms, everybody's gonna want to know, where's the bodies,

39:10 Speaker 2: what are the craft? How long is this going going on?

39:13 Speaker 2: And but you know what, I think that story should

39:15 Speaker 2: be told. I think we need to come clean. We

39:18 Speaker 2: do not need a review board to look at things

39:21 Speaker 2: and sanitize things and decide what comes in and out.

39:24 Speaker 2: We need accountable government from the people who are there

39:26 Speaker 2: right now. We need the Senate, the Congress, you know,

39:29 Speaker 2: the House, the agencies, and the President and the judiciary

39:33 Speaker 2: when necessary to to to be true to its nature

39:38 Speaker 2: and its purpose. Find your own north star, give us

39:42 Speaker 2: whatever truth there is. America can handle the truth, as

39:46 Speaker 2: Louel Azando does, saying so and repeatedly said, you know,

39:51 Speaker 2: and and and again his his his philosophy is I

39:54 Speaker 2: can't break the rules to make the rules. So he

39:56 Speaker 2: has a little different you know. I mean maybe i'd

39:58 Speaker 2: be more snow mishi and go off tangent, know and

40:00 Speaker 2: run to Well. I wouldn't run to Russia unless I

40:02 Speaker 2: could get myself in a room with Putine for about

40:04 Speaker 2: five minutes, two minutes and finish him. But I mean death.

40:09 Speaker 1: Uh.

40:09 Speaker 2: But I'm not a fan of Putin, and obviously for

40:13 Speaker 2: that reason, I'm also a big proponent of Ukraine as

40:15 Speaker 2: well as Israel. But you know, I'm no fan of

40:18 Speaker 2: his policy in Ukraine. But and I'm not religious. I'm

40:23 Speaker 2: not religious. Just everyone I know not religious.

40:25 Speaker 3: Yeah, so whatever, I don't think.

40:30 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think that has really a place for well,

40:34 Speaker 1: not that religion doesn't have a place in the in

40:36 Speaker 1: the field.

40:37 Speaker 2: But he does. I'm okay with religion. I'm not against

40:40 Speaker 2: it unless unless you're throwing acid in girls' faces, or

40:43 Speaker 2: marrying off children, or stony gay people, or or suppressing

40:47 Speaker 2: voices or banning music that particular religion. Yeah, I have

40:51 Speaker 2: a huge problem with that.

40:52 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that of course is for a different time,

40:55 Speaker 1: different yeah, different topics.

40:57 Speaker 3: But I you know it's something I am passionate about it.

41:00 Speaker 1: And you know, I know I talk about UFOs and

41:02 Speaker 1: I talk about but I also like talking about political

41:06 Speaker 1: uh the geopolitics, and I do like getting into that.

41:10 Speaker 1: But I want to I'm gonna steer back a little bit. No, no, no, no,

41:14 Speaker 1: don't don't be sorry. This is how it works, this

41:17 Speaker 1: is how discussion works.

41:19 Speaker 2: I'm really sorry.

41:20 Speaker 3: I thank you. I love it. Uh. Luna was on

41:25 Speaker 3: Brogan made some headlines.

41:27 Speaker 1: It made some headlines, and you know she while not

41:32 Speaker 1: directly referencing Elizondo, she had said something.

41:39 Speaker 3: Lou responded to it by.

41:42 Speaker 1: Showing some emails about So essentially, you have the leader

41:46 Speaker 1: of the task force right this, the secrets task Force,

41:49 Speaker 1: saying Okay, we're trying to bring these people in. They

41:53 Speaker 1: they're they're talking a big game, but when we open

41:56 Speaker 1: the skiff up, they're nowhere to be seen. They's skiff flu. Okay,

42:02 Speaker 1: now that's the buzzword of the of the week, skiff flu.

42:05 Speaker 1: And els Lou taking this to heart, you know, to heart,

42:09 Speaker 1: whether it was about him or not, he steps out

42:12 Speaker 1: and says, listen, that's not what's happening here.

42:16 Speaker 3: You know that that's not at all. What's happening?

42:19 Speaker 1: So and then Luna responds again and so, what is

42:22 Speaker 1: going on?

42:23 Speaker 3: What is going on? What's the truth or what what?

42:26 Speaker 3: What is what is your take on what's going on?

42:30 Speaker 2: I know exactly what's going on. Okay, So first of all,

42:33 Speaker 2: let's go back Representative Luna in at the end of

42:36 Speaker 2: the hearing last year in November, I think it was

42:38 Speaker 2: November thirteenth where.

42:39 Speaker 3: I was there. So was I was, oh, yeah, yeah,

42:43 Speaker 3: I know, I saw you that I was gonna bring

42:45 Speaker 3: that up.

42:45 Speaker 2: People people made funny fun of me if I thought

42:47 Speaker 2: I was you know, they made fun of my tie.

42:49 Speaker 2: You guys don't know this, but at least all my tie.

42:51 Speaker 2: So that's why my tie was weird. And I like it.

42:54 Speaker 2: I love the guy. I mean, it's fine, but I

42:57 Speaker 2: understand I was. I was extraordinarily tired too. People like

43:00 Speaker 2: it looks like a lizard. I was like, yeah, I

43:01 Speaker 2: felt like sleeping at the time.

43:04 Speaker 3: Yeah.

43:04 Speaker 1: We were all at like four a m. Outside standing

43:07 Speaker 1: in the fuck gold.

43:09 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it was it's tiring.

43:11 Speaker 1: You know.

43:12 Speaker 2: Look, look, even after that hearing, instead of just being positive,

43:17 Speaker 2: you know, she said, lou was there to sell books

43:19 Speaker 2: all he said was in context that he had to

43:21 Speaker 2: have doopts or review things so that he could release

43:23 Speaker 2: certain information. It wasn't like he was saying he didn't

43:25 Speaker 2: even name the book. I mean, if you're gonna be

43:27 Speaker 2: a pop you know, he could have brought the book,

43:29 Speaker 2: he could have waved it around, he could have said,

43:31 Speaker 2: as you know, imminent, imminent, imminent. He didn't do that,

43:34 Speaker 2: and then she had the gall the temerity tod critique him,

43:37 Speaker 2: you know, when he was very critical to bringing you know,

43:40 Speaker 2: to getting some of that, not all of that. I

43:42 Speaker 2: think there were others who you know, who were involved

43:44 Speaker 2: in getting that whole immaculate constant constellation, you know, all that.

43:49 Speaker 2: So that was fine. You know, Jeremy Corbell did great efforts,

43:51 Speaker 2: and I think you know, I always I love George Nappa,

43:53 Speaker 2: you know, I appreciate the work that they've done and

43:56 Speaker 2: you know, even if it may be different than what

43:58 Speaker 2: I would do, but I appreciate that. But so, you know,

44:03 Speaker 2: that was really quite an insult, and he didn't take

44:06 Speaker 2: it personally. You know, lou is a very forgiving person,

44:08 Speaker 2: a very kind person. He wasn't huffing and puffing about it.

44:11 Speaker 2: He was like gosh, that was weird. Why why'd you

44:13 Speaker 2: do that? But I said, I don't know. Maybe she

44:15 Speaker 2: maybe that's what she took out of she was the

44:17 Speaker 2: last thing she heard. I don't know, so and we

44:19 Speaker 2: were exhausted. I barely remembered it, you know, but it

44:21 Speaker 2: was something that was noted, and it was a strange

44:23 Speaker 2: degree of sort of disregard for somebody who's you know,

44:27 Speaker 2: I mean, let's be clear here, Luke lou had to resign.

44:30 Speaker 2: Luke quit his job, and as a government employee, you know,

44:34 Speaker 2: you don't, you don't. There's not always easy, you know,

44:36 Speaker 2: easy parallel paths to go. So he's sacrificed for all

44:41 Speaker 2: these years in ways that people will maybe never find out.

44:47 Speaker 2: And I don't mean death threats or all that. I

44:49 Speaker 2: kind of I'm sorry. I just I'm not a I've

44:53 Speaker 2: dealt with a lot of death, and you know, I'm

44:55 Speaker 2: sure he knows what he's talking about. But some of this,

44:57 Speaker 2: the whole sort of illusion to violence, I'm I'm I'm

45:00 Speaker 2: more skeptical about all of that, just because I personally

45:02 Speaker 2: haven't seen it. But you know, whatever, it might be true.

45:05 Speaker 2: But but he sacrificed a great deal of his time, energy,

45:12 Speaker 2: you know, and everything and and and and made this

45:15 Speaker 2: event in some way along with all the you know,

45:17 Speaker 2: you always stand on the shoulders of the giants in

45:20 Speaker 2: moving things forward. So so he's part of everything, but

45:22 Speaker 2: not not everything. And he's humble about it. And for

45:25 Speaker 2: her to come out of that and say that was

45:27 Speaker 2: very strange and uh somewhat insulting, but you know, he he,

45:31 Speaker 2: he moved past it and he was happy, you know,

45:34 Speaker 2: and and then you know, we we move forward. And uh,

45:39 Speaker 2: there was this opportunity, I guess to do a skiff

45:43 Speaker 2: and I and is there anything you want me to

45:45 Speaker 2: focus on? Because I can tell the entire story from

45:47 Speaker 2: my perspective, but if you have a specific question, please

45:49 Speaker 2: let me know.

45:50 Speaker 1: Nook continue, I I definitely want to know what what

45:54 Speaker 1: the why? There's a why there's a complete dissonance and

45:57 Speaker 1: and are there's.

46:00 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I will, I will. Well there's only really

46:03 Speaker 2: one side, but you know, Luna could have her side

46:06 Speaker 2: as incomprehensible and incoherent as it is. So she is.

46:11 Speaker 2: I just I call her sometimes Princess Luna or Florida Woman.

46:14 Speaker 2: It just depends on my mood.

46:16 Speaker 3: Florida Woman.

46:18 Speaker 1: Yeah, I get it that might become a sound bite.

46:21 Speaker 3: I don't know.

46:21 Speaker 2: Listen, I don't care. I could care less people, you know,

46:25 Speaker 2: all the UFO people are super like, oh god, you know,

46:28 Speaker 2: don't say this to a senator representative. I mean, I'm

46:31 Speaker 2: gonna just tell you a funny story. I was at

46:33 Speaker 2: the UAPDF here and one of the lawyers there saw

46:35 Speaker 2: me getting Eric Bertless's cellphone number because I was like, oh,

46:37 Speaker 2: you know, I don't even remember why I was getting it.

46:39 Speaker 2: I just got it and it turned out to be

46:41 Speaker 2: handy later, but anyway, and he texted me, of all people,

46:45 Speaker 2: but anyway, this was a long time.

46:46 Speaker 3: Yeah, he actually saw me too. It was weird.

46:49 Speaker 2: Okay, good. He's a nice guy. He's a very very

46:50 Speaker 2: nice person. I give him all credit for being a

46:53 Speaker 2: peacemaker and a thoughtful person and a sober person. So

46:56 Speaker 2: unfortunately there were some saf foo's. But but you know,

47:01 Speaker 2: and this lawyer ran up to try to get the

47:03 Speaker 2: same number because I was just bold enough and it

47:07 Speaker 2: wasn't even bold. I was like, hey, what's your telephone

47:09 Speaker 2: number in case we need to reach you to because

47:11 Speaker 2: remember at that time, that was when the snaffoo had happened.

47:14 Speaker 2: So I was trying to I had not, you know,

47:17 Speaker 2: engaged in all the setup for all of this crap.

47:20 Speaker 2: But then seeing how incompetent those people were at UAPDF, frankly,

47:25 Speaker 2: I decided to get somebody's numbers so I could say, hey,

47:27 Speaker 2: are we on? Because you know this was it was

47:29 Speaker 2: a strange cancelation. So to go back. There was this

47:32 Speaker 2: idea of a skiff, and frankly, Lou Alizondo was going

47:36 Speaker 2: to go there, I think really in a coordinating fashion

47:41 Speaker 2: rather than a testimonial one. Necessarily that he was bringing

47:44 Speaker 2: people who he thought could be helpful to the task

47:46 Speaker 2: force to from different agencies who had been working on this.

47:50 Speaker 2: That is as literally, that is as broad as I

47:53 Speaker 2: understood it, and I was fine. Lou asked me to

47:55 Speaker 2: present myself. I was willing to go. He had maybe,

47:59 Speaker 2: you know, sometimes time you have a concern based on

48:01 Speaker 2: his experience as to whether he would need a legal

48:03 Speaker 2: advertent council at the time. I'm always happy to do

48:06 Speaker 2: that to whatever limited extent I can. You know, it's

48:10 Speaker 2: going to be inside a skiff, I unless there's some

48:13 Speaker 2: reason for me to be inside there that engages a

48:16 Speaker 2: legal topic. I had not been part of any of

48:18 Speaker 2: the planning, you know. So I had not intended to

48:21 Speaker 2: be in any skiff or anything like that, although if necessary,

48:24 Speaker 2: i'd certainly do so. But there's a process for that,

48:26 Speaker 2: which I think pretty pretty elaborate for a civilian.

48:29 Speaker 3: So yeah, you're I'm a civilian.

48:33 Speaker 1: There's civilion, but you're you're an attorney for someone who's

48:37 Speaker 1: but you you still don't have the clearance.

48:39 Speaker 2: No, no, no, I have no clearances. And beyond that,

48:41 Speaker 2: I'm just telling you guys, and I know it's unbelievable

48:43 Speaker 2: to all of you, and everybody wants to be in

48:46 Speaker 2: the room where it happened or fly on the wall.

48:48 Speaker 2: I have no interest in that at all. I don't

48:50 Speaker 2: care what these people say in their skiff. I wish

48:52 Speaker 2: them luck, find the aliens, find the UFOs, find the

48:56 Speaker 2: government corruption, but I don't need to know that. I'm

48:59 Speaker 2: not sure what I would do with that information. What

49:01 Speaker 2: am I going to do? Knock on a hangar you know,

49:03 Speaker 2: Rambo style and you know parachute in and you know,

49:06 Speaker 2: I mean, what am I going to do with this crap?

49:07 Speaker 2: So I'm like, go do what you're going to do.

49:09 Speaker 2: And if there's a legal component where I think there's

49:11 Speaker 2: any jeopardy or some pressure, I will certainly be there.

49:13 Speaker 2: So that was really it. I was very tired. I

49:16 Speaker 2: had a lot of trial work the week before, but

49:18 Speaker 2: I said, okay, I'll fly in, fly in. I forget

49:21 Speaker 2: if I arrived the day before, you know, Sunday or Saturday.

49:24 Speaker 2: I forget exactly when. But I flew in and there

49:28 Speaker 2: was a lot of emails being back and forth. And

49:30 Speaker 2: I will say this right now. I was on a

49:34 Speaker 2: chain of emails and David Grush was on those chains

49:37 Speaker 2: of emails. I still have them. And he was very

49:40 Speaker 2: persistent about qualifying who was going to be in the

49:43 Speaker 2: room and what their role was going to be, and

49:45 Speaker 2: if they had clearance and if their agency did this.

49:48 Speaker 2: And on one sand I respected it because you know,

49:51 Speaker 2: you want to make sure they you know that there's

49:52 Speaker 2: not a snapoo and something. Somebody gets up to the

49:55 Speaker 2: door and it's like, I'm sorry, but you're not on

49:56 Speaker 2: the guest list. So I understood that. I did not

49:59 Speaker 2: know that it was his role in particular to be

50:01 Speaker 2: sort of the you know, the security guard for the skiff,

50:05 Speaker 2: which is what he seemed to be making himself into.

50:08 Speaker 2: So I was strangely not impressed, let's say, by the

50:14 Speaker 2: degree of sort of I'm gonna be careful, but I

50:20 Speaker 2: would say I found it unusual how invested he was

50:23 Speaker 2: and making sure everybody who was there had to write

50:26 Speaker 2: and reason to be there. I didn't know that that

50:28 Speaker 2: was his role, whether it was imposed, whether it was appointed,

50:31 Speaker 2: I had no idea. I thought that was handled through

50:33 Speaker 2: like the House Sergeant of Arms or the House Security

50:36 Speaker 2: Committee or you know. But look, it's okay. I could

50:39 Speaker 2: care less. I was barely tracking those emails except seeing

50:42 Speaker 2: multiple multiple emails going back and forth and on. Saw

50:45 Speaker 2: those lunatics, and I, you know, was I got a

50:51 Speaker 2: weird feeling the week before that maybe something might not

50:56 Speaker 2: work out or maybe a person might not be able

50:58 Speaker 2: to present because of this. And I just assumed, who knows.

51:01 Speaker 2: I was like, whatever, these people are very security conscious.

51:04 Speaker 2: I respect that. Let them get the right clearances. If

51:06 Speaker 2: he wants to invest his time in that, that's fine. Yeah, yeah,

51:09 Speaker 2: that's fine. Yeah. However, so there was the so that

51:14 Speaker 2: was happened in the week prior. There was one thing

51:18 Speaker 2: that also happened that was very alarming to me. And

51:23 Speaker 2: I will just say that I've communicated that to Eric Burlison,

51:26 Speaker 2: And I will also say that there was an engagement

51:31 Speaker 2: that I found very inappropriate by the UAPDF people about

51:35 Speaker 2: lose testimony inside that skiff. Beyond that, I will not

51:38 Speaker 2: go further, but they have at least and it was

51:41 Speaker 2: coercive and I found it extraordinarily inappropriate, and I mean it,

51:46 Speaker 2: and I am happy to go and give and testify

51:48 Speaker 2: under oath, not before the Luna screw her, but again,

51:54 Speaker 2: but if if need be, I am more than willing

51:57 Speaker 2: to go under oath and polygraph or whatever it is.

51:59 Speaker 2: You know it's usually under oath. I'm an attorney, I

52:01 Speaker 2: have bar licenses. I you know, there's things of jeopardy.

52:06 Speaker 2: But I found there were some very inappropriate communications. I

52:08 Speaker 2: do not like the people at UAPDF, except for Chris Mellen,

52:11 Speaker 2: who's a very decent human being. But the rest I

52:14 Speaker 2: have no communication with and would never speak to them again.

52:18 Speaker 2: So there was a tremendous I chewed people out at UAPDF,

52:25 Speaker 2: and I told them if they ever did that, because

52:26 Speaker 2: it was infringing upon my professional duties. It was trying

52:30 Speaker 2: to coerce me, to coerce lou On behalf of I

52:34 Speaker 2: won't even say Girliston has that information and I'm done

52:38 Speaker 2: done with it.

52:38 Speaker 3: So that was not why Lou and Matt left.

52:44 Speaker 2: I don't know why Matt left. I think he wanted

52:47 Speaker 2: to work on his podcast. I think he maybe felt

52:49 Speaker 2: his role. You know, I don't know. I wasn't a

52:51 Speaker 2: part of you APDF. They wanted me to be, and

52:54 Speaker 2: we can tell that story another time, but I refused

52:57 Speaker 2: because I began to get Inklan's frankly, that they were

53:00 Speaker 2: really trying to control things. They're a bunch of control freaks.

53:04 Speaker 2: Except for Chris Mellon, seems like a decent human being,

53:07 Speaker 2: honorable person. But I'm not going to prevent I am

53:09 Speaker 2: going to come out and say my truth. So, yeah, yeah,

53:14 Speaker 2: they're they're horrible. And not everybody, not the board member.

53:17 Speaker 3: Well you don't have to Yeah, you don't have to

53:20 Speaker 3: get into it. But I get what you're saying.

53:22 Speaker 2: But some of those people, their behavior was abhorrent to me,

53:26 Speaker 2: to the point where it cross my mind that if

53:29 Speaker 2: if some of this had been in writing, but we

53:31 Speaker 2: can elicit the testimony and emails and so on in details,

53:35 Speaker 2: that I would be moving for a bar complaint against somebody.

53:38 Speaker 2: So I was extraordinarily angry that anybody would try to coerce.

53:42 Speaker 2: It's different when you try to give some information, but

53:45 Speaker 2: this was coercive and I will never have that again.

53:48 Speaker 2: I will never let that happen again. One thing you

53:50 Speaker 2: cannot do with me is try to get me to

53:52 Speaker 2: coerce my client to do anything he or she does

53:56 Speaker 2: not want to do. That's never going to work for you,

54:00 Speaker 2: and I will never be controlled by that. I'm a

54:02 Speaker 2: lawyer for a reason. I'm not here for uthology. I'm

54:04 Speaker 2: here to be an actual lawyer. I go to trial,

54:07 Speaker 2: I stand before judges. I do the right thing within reason,

54:11 Speaker 2: and I don't represent you. And I try to represent people,

54:14 Speaker 2: even with their flaws, as best I can. And I'm

54:16 Speaker 2: talking about Louis starting generally. So anyway, so that Skiff, Yeah,

54:21 Speaker 2: let's just go. Let's just tell the whole story. To

54:22 Speaker 2: be dene with it. Skiff's supposed to happen April twenty nine,

54:26 Speaker 2: get an email I flew in. I think, yeah, maybe

54:28 Speaker 2: it was the same day. I don't know, but anyway,

54:29 Speaker 2: get an email. I didn't even look at it that

54:35 Speaker 2: that you know, the meeting had been canceled, and I

54:38 Speaker 2: didn't know why it was given that. We were given

54:40 Speaker 2: a very banal reason that there was some legislative snafoo

54:44 Speaker 2: and so on. Okay, and that was fine. You know,

54:50 Speaker 2: if that had been it, and it had been true,

54:52 Speaker 2: I would have been like, well, that's weird. This seems

54:54 Speaker 2: very like surprising because you would know your legislative schedule.

54:57 Speaker 2: But things do change in Congress at at a moment's notice,

55:01 Speaker 2: and we have to be flexible. So I was disappointed,

55:04 Speaker 2: But I'm like, I'm not going in the skiff. I

55:06 Speaker 2: don't even know what's going on. I don't I don't

55:08 Speaker 2: care that much, and I'm not here to be associated

55:11 Speaker 2: with people who want to be in a skiff, right, Like,

55:13 Speaker 2: I'm not the person who wants to hang out in

55:15 Speaker 2: the room or next to people. This is all garbage

55:18 Speaker 2: to me. So I just said, look, fine, nobid do.

55:22 Speaker 2: Then within a day or two, Representative Luna actually told

55:26 Speaker 2: someone it might have been Matt Laslow or somebody else,

55:29 Speaker 2: that the reason the skiff had been canceled was because

55:31 Speaker 2: Dave Grush did not have a security clearance.

55:35 Speaker 3: I remember this, Well, wait.

55:38 Speaker 2: A minute, why didn't you tell us that in the

55:40 Speaker 2: first place. Dave grush. I mean, why did you invite

55:43 Speaker 2: all these people to this event? If the primary reason,

55:47 Speaker 2: did you think he was going to get a security clearance?

55:49 Speaker 2: Did you you know what's going on here? Now? There

55:52 Speaker 2: may have been other reasons too, legislative reasons, maybe some

55:55 Speaker 2: personal reasons. I don't know. Unfrankly, I don't care, because

55:59 Speaker 2: all timately I would have been happy to say, well,

56:01 Speaker 2: you know, things didn't work out, let's go tow it

56:03 Speaker 2: around DC. I met a nice person for lunch. I mean,

56:05 Speaker 2: you know, it just it was fine. It was fine,

56:07 Speaker 2: you know right. The problem was is that after that

56:14 Speaker 2: there was the UAPDF show whatever you want to call it,

56:19 Speaker 2: on that Thursday'll just tell you. I don't want to

56:22 Speaker 2: go into all the details again, but you know Lou

56:24 Speaker 2: was run ragged. There was a dinner the night before

56:27 Speaker 2: it was planned by those nitwits. Lasted UNTI almost eleven pm.

56:31 Speaker 2: I will tell you, as a person who actually puts

56:32 Speaker 2: people up on the stand, I do not tell them

56:34 Speaker 2: to do anything that you know, do not stay up

56:37 Speaker 2: till eleven o'clock at night if you have to perform

56:39 Speaker 2: at you know the next day following position, get some sleep,

56:43 Speaker 2: eat what you like if you work out, work out first,

56:45 Speaker 2: you know, take a walk, Like there's things you do

56:48 Speaker 2: to get people ease into things.

56:49 Speaker 3: That's actually a good point.

56:51 Speaker 2: Oh it was insane.

56:52 Speaker 3: It was actually I didn't even think of before.

56:56 Speaker 2: It was just it was actually quite sad.

57:00 Speaker 3: So it was like, keep them up till eleven drinking.

57:03 Speaker 2: He wasn't drinking. He was drinking water and he was

57:05 Speaker 2: you know, no, he wasn't drinking to my knowledge.

57:08 Speaker 3: I mean, he has a right to, but I'm saying I.

57:11 Speaker 2: Have a drink.

57:13 Speaker 1: But the night was a thing that goes to eleven,

57:17 Speaker 1: and like you would assume that.

57:19 Speaker 2: Look, it was probably a nice you know, people thought

57:22 Speaker 2: it would be a nice opportunity to talk and all that,

57:24 Speaker 2: but I mean, you know, this is game time, guys.

57:26 Speaker 2: You don't you don't like if you you you know,

57:28 Speaker 2: the u APDF people were like, we're the geniuses in

57:30 Speaker 2: the room. Meanwhile they're doing something completely asinine and scheduling

57:35 Speaker 2: this guy for an insane schedule to where he I

57:38 Speaker 2: have no idea, and then to drive starting at ten

57:41 Speaker 2: thirty or eleven back to you know where his house was,

57:46 Speaker 2: kids whatever it was. I mean, my god, it was nuts.

57:49 Speaker 2: And he dropped people off, including ourselves. I mean, I

57:52 Speaker 2: felt bad for him, I felt bad for myself, but

57:55 Speaker 2: I assumed it was fine. And you know, some people

57:57 Speaker 2: operate well on tremendous being tired. I don't know, they

58:01 Speaker 2: seem to overperform. So it was strange and there were

58:04 Speaker 2: some very strange experiences at that dinner. There was a

58:06 Speaker 2: lot of testifying, which I also found extraordinarily self serving

58:10 Speaker 2: and disgusting. And I'm not going to even get into that,

58:12 Speaker 2: and I don't care about those people. I would just

58:14 Speaker 2: tell you there was a lot of weird stuff. There

58:16 Speaker 2: are also some great people, I thought, you know, there

58:19 Speaker 2: was some really nice people too. Eric Davis was a

58:22 Speaker 2: gentleman and very interesting and fun, and you know, I

58:24 Speaker 2: briefly talked to him. I talked to some very nice people,

58:27 Speaker 2: but there were also people who were I just described

58:30 Speaker 2: him as sycophants, and I don't like him. So Lou

58:34 Speaker 2: came out of that. The next day, you know, we

58:38 Speaker 2: went to that event. Lou was extremely tired, you know.

58:41 Speaker 2: He you know, there was the photo issue, which I

58:45 Speaker 2: did not know a damn thing about it, just like frankly,

58:47 Speaker 2: I didn't know recently about all this stuff. On Twitter.

58:49 Speaker 2: I saw it like everybody else. I'm not what you

58:52 Speaker 2: all think is some sort of like I'm a handler,

58:55 Speaker 2: like i'm Tom knit with, I'm a lawyer. I don't

58:59 Speaker 2: have time to be tying his shoe or or or

59:02 Speaker 2: and he doesn't need me for that. He's an adult

59:04 Speaker 2: human being. So I'm not his you know, his handler.

59:08 Speaker 2: I'm certainly not somebody who's going to impose your thinking

59:11 Speaker 2: upon him. I am here to act on his behalf

59:15 Speaker 2: and a legal capacity to the degree he wishes. And

59:18 Speaker 2: that is it.

59:19 Speaker 1: So so what the photo thing, I actually wasn't even

59:25 Speaker 1: to touch that, But I mean, could you at least

59:29 Speaker 1: agree that probably wasn't the best decision.

59:33 Speaker 3: And but maybe it does.

59:35 Speaker 1: Maybe it was just a bad like you know, like

59:39 Speaker 1: you said out late the night before.

59:41 Speaker 2: He was asked to hype the UAPDF didn't have money,

59:44 Speaker 2: and he was asked frankly, to hype their organization, hype

59:48 Speaker 2: the event. We need hype because they're always desperate for money.

59:51 Speaker 2: There is a degree to which it is griff.

59:53 Speaker 3: I mean lily in the name right, well.

59:57 Speaker 2: I mean you know they had to name it that

59:58 Speaker 2: and they're five ohc three obviously four I believe, which

1:00:01 Speaker 2: is collecting money to give the people, you know, to

1:00:03 Speaker 2: influence people. So they're a lobbying organization essentially, although they

1:00:07 Speaker 2: claim not to do lobbying whatever we'll see. But but yeah,

1:00:12 Speaker 2: so they you know, so he holds up this photo.

1:00:14 Speaker 2: I agree the photo was. I thought it was a

1:00:17 Speaker 2: water tank or something, because you know, I've flown over

1:00:19 Speaker 2: the Southwest. I used to live in Phoenix. I'm flying

1:00:21 Speaker 2: around all the time. It looked like a water tank.

1:00:23 Speaker 2: I don't know, But you know, what is the UFO

1:00:25 Speaker 2: supposed to look like on the ground from above? Maybe

1:00:27 Speaker 2: like a water tank? Like I fucking don't know what

1:00:29 Speaker 2: these things look like. I think he was just encouraged

1:00:33 Speaker 2: to be provocative by these morons. He was tired and

1:00:38 Speaker 2: exhausted because of their particular schedule. I don't think. I don't.

1:00:42 Speaker 2: I think he was curious about the photo. Maybe I don't.

1:00:44 Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe you know, I really don't know,

1:00:47 Speaker 2: but i'd never seen it. But his point was again,

1:00:50 Speaker 2: as you know, anybody with any reason could see, was

1:00:52 Speaker 2: simply to say, look, guys, you know there's photos that

1:00:55 Speaker 2: commercial pilots and other people get. We should have a

1:00:58 Speaker 2: place that's probably not arrow to resolve all of that stuff.

1:01:02 Speaker 2: I had been under the misimpression that actually the FA

1:01:05 Speaker 2: or somebody had like a center for sending in anomalist photos.

1:01:09 Speaker 2: I thought that had already been done. But I believe

1:01:11 Speaker 2: that's not correct. I believe that that turned out to

1:01:14 Speaker 2: be true, not true. So as I was sitting there,

1:01:16 Speaker 2: I was like, gee, I thought, I thought there was

1:01:18 Speaker 2: already this, you know, but I understood the point of it,

1:01:21 Speaker 2: and he meant it with the best of intent. He

1:01:23 Speaker 2: wasn't trying to discredit the field or himself obviously, he

1:01:27 Speaker 2: was just extremely tired trying to be you know, get

1:01:31 Speaker 2: some notorieties done. And you know, then you had all

1:01:34 Speaker 2: this stuff with the you know, Eric Davis and the

1:01:36 Speaker 2: four different aliens.

1:01:37 Speaker 3: That was wild.

1:01:40 Speaker 2: It was. I was really surprised that no major media

1:01:43 Speaker 2: was like, wait a minute, what are you saying here?

1:01:44 Speaker 1: I mean, that was and let me ask you, because

1:01:48 Speaker 1: again you're not You're self admitted that you're not really

1:01:54 Speaker 1: one for like, you don't the research.

1:01:56 Speaker 2: I don't. I don't care about your aliens.

1:01:58 Speaker 1: Right now, there is something called the Wilson Do you

1:02:02 Speaker 1: know about the Wilson Davis memo? Yeah, of course, yeah, okay, okay,

1:02:05 Speaker 1: so you do know, But so a guy who writes

1:02:11 Speaker 1: allegedly because still I don't know why he wasn't asked

1:02:15 Speaker 1: right then and there, bro, did you write these notes?

1:02:19 Speaker 1: Let's confirm it right now, because if so, there's a

1:02:22 Speaker 1: lot of I mean, if that, if that meeting actually

1:02:28 Speaker 1: happened in his document, if if he would say under

1:02:31 Speaker 1: some sort of congressional I thought for sure that we

1:02:34 Speaker 1: were at that's what we were going to get, but

1:02:36 Speaker 1: instead he's talking about a species of aliens.

1:02:40 Speaker 3: And and sure, I.

1:02:41 Speaker 1: Feel like we went from it went from very nuts

1:02:46 Speaker 1: and bolts to very not nuts and bolts very quickly.

1:02:51 Speaker 2: Look, you know, yeah I was I didn't have no

1:02:55 Speaker 2: or listen, there was no preparation in any run through

1:02:58 Speaker 2: that I could tell. It was very There was no

1:03:00 Speaker 2: run through for the event that I was participant of.

1:03:03 Speaker 2: Or two. I know that they've made efforts to you know,

1:03:07 Speaker 2: get the room. They screwed up the sound, but that's

1:03:09 Speaker 2: understandable because of you know, technical difficulties happened under the

1:03:13 Speaker 2: best circumstances. They happened just a while ago and on the show.

1:03:16 Speaker 2: But but yeah, you know, I don't know what to

1:03:19 Speaker 2: make of it. I don't know what the intent was.

1:03:21 Speaker 2: I wasn't responsible for the organization. Generally speaking, I thought

1:03:24 Speaker 2: the strategy behind it was strange. As a participant, I

1:03:28 Speaker 2: was just seeing it, you know, because you have a

1:03:30 Speaker 2: miss smash of here's a photo and here's Aliens and

1:03:33 Speaker 2: all this crap, and then you know, a viy lobe

1:03:35 Speaker 2: And he was very interesting to listen to. But he

1:03:37 Speaker 2: went on quite a bit, and I was like, wow,

1:03:39 Speaker 2: is he going I didn't know if I was risk

1:03:40 Speaker 2: one for twenty you know, I thought everybody was gonna

1:03:42 Speaker 2: be on for ten, twelve minutes, fifteen minutes, but he

1:03:44 Speaker 2: went on at length and it was It was actually

1:03:46 Speaker 2: very interesting, and I have you know, he's a very

1:03:48 Speaker 2: interesting and a very charming person. You know so well.

1:03:53 Speaker 2: I mean, maybe you.

1:03:53 Speaker 3: Don't like him, but I didn't say that, didn't say okay,

1:03:57 Speaker 3: I listen. I just had him here.

1:03:59 Speaker 2: He was just okay, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Yeah, I'm sorry.

1:04:01 Speaker 2: I apologize. So I apologize to you and Dovulo, but

1:04:04 Speaker 2: I have no discreditor. And also he's a very nice person,

1:04:07 Speaker 2: so you know, so so I don't under I didn't

1:04:10 Speaker 2: understand the strategy of the event, but it seemed to

1:04:13 Speaker 2: be you know, typically a mishmash of ideas and people,

1:04:19 Speaker 2: and uh that was it. And I actually left around

1:04:22 Speaker 2: right after lou held the photo up. I for no

1:04:25 Speaker 2: reason but coincidence, I took a break. There was a break,

1:04:27 Speaker 2: and I got out of the room. I think I

1:04:29 Speaker 2: might have left on cam. I don't know, because I

1:04:31 Speaker 2: needed to catch a plane and frankly, I just wanted

1:04:33 Speaker 2: to go. You know, I was tired. I was unhappy

1:04:36 Speaker 2: with those people and the way it was organized and

1:04:38 Speaker 2: all the stress and what they communicated to me the

1:04:41 Speaker 2: week before on behalf of Lunatic, So I was just

1:04:45 Speaker 2: not having it. And uh, I just rolled out, got

1:04:48 Speaker 2: my suitcase, went to the airport. I had a beer

1:04:50 Speaker 2: and worked on legal work. And then it got even

1:04:52 Speaker 2: weirder on the plane, but you know, because of the

1:04:54 Speaker 2: staff of the photo and some idiotic communications with those dummies.

1:04:59 Speaker 2: So anyway, and there's all if necessary to come out,

1:05:02 Speaker 2: but I don't care. I just I'm just I'm just

1:05:04 Speaker 2: sick of these people. So so ultimately what happened was

1:05:08 Speaker 2: is all of that ended, and I didn't know much

1:05:11 Speaker 2: about it other than there was a you know, issue

1:05:14 Speaker 2: of the photos. Now I can understand where UAPDF for example,

1:05:18 Speaker 2: and you know, did not want to at the time,

1:05:21 Speaker 2: uh issue any positive statement about Lou because maybe they

1:05:24 Speaker 2: didn't agree with him putting up the photo, or it

1:05:26 Speaker 2: was too impromptu, or it led to you know, you know,

1:05:29 Speaker 2: they didn't like it. And I get it, and I

1:05:31 Speaker 2: think Lou regretted showing it because he hadn't vetted it,

1:05:34 Speaker 2: although his point again was it was an exemplar of anything.

1:05:36 Speaker 2: He could have held up a rubber ducky and said, look,

1:05:39 Speaker 2: here's a rubber ducky. Let's find out what it is.

1:05:41 Speaker 2: You know, it was just meant in good spirit. But

1:05:44 Speaker 2: it but but in this UFO world, everything you do

1:05:48 Speaker 2: is micro you know, you're under a microscope, and unfortunately

1:05:51 Speaker 2: it's very unfortunate. So so then this idea came about.

1:05:56 Speaker 2: And again I was not part of the logistics of

1:05:58 Speaker 2: it that they were. You know that they were going

1:05:59 Speaker 2: to read do this skiff and that's fine, Okay, things

1:06:03 Speaker 2: can be redone. Why not you know, sure, Okay, I

1:06:07 Speaker 2: may not be able to attend it, but it doesn't

1:06:09 Speaker 2: seem like a big deal or maybe I could have.

1:06:11 Speaker 2: You know, I personally wasn't I was just thinking, I

1:06:13 Speaker 2: don't know if I want to come back to sit

1:06:14 Speaker 2: outside a room and just be around these lunatics. And

1:06:20 Speaker 2: then at some point, and I don't know exactly when

1:06:25 Speaker 2: it was, Luna said that these people have the skiff flu. Now,

1:06:32 Speaker 2: Joe Mergia came up with something where I think he

1:06:35 Speaker 2: said he had a post where he was very specific

1:06:37 Speaker 2: about exactly what Luna said. But it was very clearly

1:06:40 Speaker 2: that she was implying that Luelazondo was sick or avoidant

1:06:46 Speaker 2: in some way. She didn't really mean really sick. You know,

1:06:48 Speaker 2: if a person had been really sick, you wouldn't say, well,

1:06:50 Speaker 2: he just got diagnosed with cancer. You know, he's got

1:06:53 Speaker 2: skip blu. No, it was really intended to condemn him

1:06:58 Speaker 2: for failing to appear at her beck and call with

1:07:01 Speaker 2: three days notice. And I mean, what, That's not the

1:07:06 Speaker 2: way it works. Maybe for you lunatics and UFO Land

1:07:09 Speaker 2: you're like, you know, some unemployed idiot, and Oregon's like

1:07:12 Speaker 2: I would have left everything, dropped everything, go get for God.

1:07:16 Speaker 2: Is because I've been you know, go fuck yourselves. That's

1:07:19 Speaker 2: not how it works. You've got to be real and

1:07:21 Speaker 2: you're part of a professional institution, you know, I mean,

1:07:25 Speaker 2: I mean you're part of an organization that supposed to

1:07:27 Speaker 2: be the leadership of our country. That's not how you

1:07:29 Speaker 2: coordinate meetings. I'm sorry if you don't know how to

1:07:32 Speaker 2: do it. I have a paralegal who could do better

1:07:34 Speaker 2: than you. Okay.

1:07:36 Speaker 1: So you're saying that there was a lot of misconceptions

1:07:41 Speaker 1: about how this has has gone down.

1:07:44 Speaker 2: Not misconceptions displies, No, Yes, so they attributed. So she stupidly,

1:07:51 Speaker 2: impulsively and incorrectly maligned lou and implied that he was

1:07:57 Speaker 2: the one that caused this snaffho And then she on

1:08:00 Speaker 2: rogan and did it again. She doubles down why attack

1:08:04 Speaker 2: Luell was under the guys voluntarily come. He is a

1:08:07 Speaker 2: volunteer witness, He's a volunteer coordinator. He's a volunteer of

1:08:14 Speaker 2: all of this. He does not make money from this.

1:08:16 Speaker 2: He does not even get his expenses repaid except into

1:08:18 Speaker 2: you know, occasionally if an organization will will repay it. Okay,

1:08:22 Speaker 2: But other than that, he does not profit from this.

1:08:25 Speaker 2: So he is a volunteer to come before the Congress,

1:08:30 Speaker 2: and she sent him under the bus. Never asked what

1:08:34 Speaker 2: you know, never said anything about David Grush. Never if

1:08:38 Speaker 2: you're implying that, you know, Christopher Mellon didn't show up,

1:08:41 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, but you know he was probably not feeling

1:08:44 Speaker 2: well too, and maybe legitimate, you know, a real issue, right,

1:08:47 Speaker 2: And I don't I don't talk about the medical stuff.

1:08:49 Speaker 2: I'm just saying people get sick, they get colds. You

1:08:51 Speaker 2: know they're not feeling that well. That's life, right. So

1:08:55 Speaker 2: they said that lou was the guy who was essentially

1:09:00 Speaker 2: avoidant of testifying or giving information or participating in this gift.

1:09:05 Speaker 2: Nothing could have been further from the truth. The date

1:09:09 Speaker 2: they chose was extraordinarily inconvenience. It's not just flying from Wyoming.

1:09:13 Speaker 2: He had a commitment. I think of that same near

1:09:16 Speaker 2: that same time. You know he's been traveling, he's exhausted.

1:09:22 Speaker 2: I mean, you cannot just tell people show up. I'm

1:09:25 Speaker 2: the princess and that's what you need to do. That's wrong.

1:09:30 Speaker 2: And then at that point, also let's get into two

1:09:32 Speaker 2: other points. First of all, why should I have great

1:09:35 Speaker 2: confidence you're going to not do it again? You did

1:09:37 Speaker 2: it the first time. You didn't tell us The real reason,

1:09:41 Speaker 2: which apparently was Dave Grush had some security clearance issue.

1:09:44 Speaker 2: So well, did he get his security clearance fixed by

1:09:48 Speaker 2: mid May? Then if he didn't, why did you cancel

1:09:51 Speaker 2: in April? So nobody is asking these questions. They don't

1:09:56 Speaker 2: hold themselves to account if the Office of Luna or

1:10:02 Speaker 2: Burleson or any of those people who are responsible for

1:10:04 Speaker 2: this had just come forward and said, look, we screwed up.

1:10:07 Speaker 2: There were legislative considerations that were extremely important for us.

1:10:10 Speaker 2: Some people are sick, you know, things get continued. We're sorry,

1:10:14 Speaker 2: but we like these people. We will invite them back

1:10:16 Speaker 2: at a time where it works out for everybody. We

1:10:18 Speaker 2: apologize for a variety of snapfoos. Everything will be fine.

1:10:22 Speaker 2: Let's do it again. Instead. Representative Luna on her own initiative,

1:10:28 Speaker 2: comes out, comes out swinging at luel Azando for no

1:10:32 Speaker 2: reason and if she has a reason, tell us but now.

1:10:38 Speaker 2: And then of course she's like as dumb as a

1:10:40 Speaker 2: rock and says, oh, well, you know I didn't put that.

1:10:42 Speaker 2: It was Loue Alizondo, you idiot. So yeah, I'm not

1:10:46 Speaker 2: having it with her.

1:10:47 Speaker 1: Yeah, I was insane because she made the comment about

1:10:50 Speaker 1: and you know what, I don't defend one one person

1:10:54 Speaker 1: or another, and I'm not that type of I don't

1:10:57 Speaker 1: take sides, but I will say she mentioned okay, no,

1:11:02 Speaker 1: he wanted to, like the person got skiff flu they

1:11:05 Speaker 1: wanted to sell books but didn't come. I mean, you

1:11:09 Speaker 1: could have only been talking about Elizondo. And actually, if

1:11:14 Speaker 1: you watch Rogan's interview with Louelizondo, he repeatedly does say

1:11:21 Speaker 1: and I will give him this, he repeatedly does not.

1:11:25 Speaker 3: He says, I'm not here to promote the book. I'm

1:11:28 Speaker 3: here to talk to you.

1:11:30 Speaker 2: So I mean, I mean, look, you know, whenever you're

1:11:33 Speaker 2: on national media, you are promoting something in your brand,

1:11:36 Speaker 2: your books or something. I mean, let's not look lose

1:11:39 Speaker 2: a good person. And you know, if I was on

1:11:41 Speaker 2: Rogan and I had a book or a frying pan,

1:11:43 Speaker 2: I'd probably be routing it. But you know, he's he's

1:11:45 Speaker 2: he really is in there with the intent of telling

1:11:47 Speaker 2: America this is an issue you need to pay attention to.

1:11:50 Speaker 2: I'm only going to tell you up to a certain

1:11:51 Speaker 2: point because I believe I have commitments to the government,

1:11:54 Speaker 2: and if there's a relieve I will tell more than

1:11:56 Speaker 2: I can. You know more, But that's it. He's just

1:11:58 Speaker 2: that guy. He's not going to go he will not

1:12:00 Speaker 2: break the rules to remake the rules. Sorry, you don't

1:12:03 Speaker 2: like that, go find go find us Snowden to do that.

1:12:06 Speaker 2: Who cares? But that's not him, so real simple anyway,

1:12:11 Speaker 2: So she went out of her way to attack him. Now,

1:12:14 Speaker 2: she is a politician, she's popular. She's always showing herself,

1:12:18 Speaker 2: you know, with more with Trump or with more prominent people.

1:12:21 Speaker 2: She's always a firebrand. She's always claiming, you know, Biden,

1:12:25 Speaker 2: who's close to dead, is responsible for this, and Hillary

1:12:28 Speaker 2: read this, and Obama this. Meanwhile, she's supposed to be

1:12:31 Speaker 2: the get Epstein, We're going to change everything. Meanwhile she's like, oh,

1:12:35 Speaker 2: I don't know Epstein's fine because no longer convenient. I

1:12:38 Speaker 2: find she has absolutely no principles and I don't find

1:12:43 Speaker 2: her very smart. So that's what she did. She did

1:12:47 Speaker 2: the worst thing to try to ruin intentionally the life

1:12:51 Speaker 2: of somebody who's just trying to help. I mean, my god,

1:12:55 Speaker 2: how incompetent. But you know, frankly, because of what happened

1:13:00 Speaker 2: in the week prior to the April twenty ninth thing,

1:13:03 Speaker 2: I can tell you that somebody wanted Louel Azando to

1:13:07 Speaker 2: be subpoenaed. I was literally told that he would you

1:13:12 Speaker 2: know that he could get subpoena. That was like, who

1:13:14 Speaker 2: gives a shit? I deal with subpoenas every day, you clowns.

1:13:17 Speaker 2: So look, here's the reality. You know, there are some

1:13:23 Speaker 2: really terrible people who have no courage. And by the way,

1:13:28 Speaker 2: u APDF people, you didn't even come out and say

1:13:30 Speaker 2: anything nice about lou You could have easily come out

1:13:33 Speaker 2: and said, hey, this was a snaphoo. It wasn't Louela

1:13:37 Speaker 2: Zondo's fault. But because they were trying to distance themselves

1:13:40 Speaker 2: from the photograph, they were just like quiet as mice,

1:13:44 Speaker 2: no support for him back, just just letting him hang

1:13:47 Speaker 2: out to dry as if he had skiff flew. That

1:13:50 Speaker 2: was disgusting. You have no courage, you have no principles.

1:13:53 Speaker 2: I don't respect you.

1:13:54 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think, well, thank you for clearing clearing

1:14:00 Speaker 1: that up, because I mean, all.

1:14:04 Speaker 2: Right, well I'm done with it. But I will just

1:14:06 Speaker 2: say this, Look, Loue Alizondo is more than willing to

1:14:09 Speaker 2: present himself to Congress. Frankly, I would not advise him.

1:14:13 Speaker 2: My personal advice and you know he's hearing it, and

1:14:15 Speaker 2: he's heard it before, is that I would not do

1:14:18 Speaker 2: anything with Luna that isn't public because I don't trust

1:14:21 Speaker 2: her the way he's been treated, but he feels otherwise.

1:14:25 Speaker 2: He is still willing to present himself to a skiff

1:14:29 Speaker 2: to to to do so and to give to I

1:14:32 Speaker 2: personally think he will come out of there and she'll

1:14:34 Speaker 2: smash him anyway. She'll say he was unhelpful, didn't have

1:14:37 Speaker 2: the information, was reticent. And remember he can't give anything

1:14:41 Speaker 2: in a skiff until he is cleared by certain agencies.

1:14:44 Speaker 2: Just because a member of Congress wants to know something

1:14:47 Speaker 2: doesn't mean they can inferring the rights of the executive.

1:14:51 Speaker 2: You know. You can't be like, uh, hi, I'm represent

1:14:53 Speaker 2: I'm Florida woman representative. I want to know what who

1:14:57 Speaker 2: are agents are in Poland? Coming here and give me

1:15:00 Speaker 2: all the names of the agents in Poland. No, you

1:15:02 Speaker 2: got to go to the CIA or to the you know,

1:15:06 Speaker 2: whoever the hell you have to go to. You've got

1:15:07 Speaker 2: to go to somebody.

1:15:08 Speaker 3: It doesn't give you a blanket need to know.

1:15:11 Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't give you the right to just know anything.

1:15:14 Speaker 2: But you want to ask, you your paste? So if

1:15:15 Speaker 2: she went ahead, so anyway, listen, bottom line comes down

1:15:17 Speaker 2: to lou is always willing to go in a public setting.

1:15:21 Speaker 2: If he wants to go on a skiff, I'm going

1:15:22 Speaker 2: to accompany him. But make no mistake, I'm coming as

1:15:26 Speaker 2: a lawyer. Subpoena all you want. I could care less

1:15:31 Speaker 2: and challenge accepted lady, because you've done harm to people.

1:15:35 Speaker 2: You're scared. You're scared. When I read and hear these

1:15:37 Speaker 2: reports that the whistleblowers are rolling out not wanting to testify,

1:15:40 Speaker 2: I'm like, of course not. I mean, based on our experience,

1:15:43 Speaker 2: why would you. You'll be lambasted, You'll be set aside.

1:15:46 Speaker 2: So of course it's it's a clown show. And she's

1:15:48 Speaker 2: the head of the task force. Can you imagine such incompetency? Now,

1:15:53 Speaker 2: this is I'm not. I'm not. I'm not the nice guy.

1:15:55 Speaker 2: Lou is the nice guy. He'll always be the nice guy.

1:15:57 Speaker 2: He's probably too nice for his own good. But I'm

1:16:00 Speaker 2: not the nice guy. And people who know know that

1:16:03 Speaker 2: when I'm not the nice guy, it's not nice.

1:16:06 Speaker 1: So understood, I mean, and listen, I I'd be if

1:16:10 Speaker 1: I was in that position, and if if everything you know,

1:16:14 Speaker 1: if that's exactly, if that's how it went down, I'd

1:16:16 Speaker 1: be pissed too. And you and I was going to ask,

1:16:20 Speaker 1: what you know if you had a whistleblower, and like

1:16:25 Speaker 1: would you would you send them to Congress? Like would

1:16:29 Speaker 1: you feel safe sending them to Congress? At this point

1:16:31 Speaker 1: to Luna and I, I you answered obviously with the

1:16:35 Speaker 1: with the no, it would have to be more public.

1:16:39 Speaker 3: So that that's so.

1:16:40 Speaker 2: I think. I think, Look, look what listen I made.

1:16:43 Speaker 2: You know, I'm the I'm probably the I'm I don't

1:16:45 Speaker 2: know if I'm the one who coached her and issuing

1:16:47 Speaker 2: her first subpoena in this area. But if I have

1:16:49 Speaker 2: good I think the task force should issue subpoenas. But

1:16:52 Speaker 2: I think they should grab Colonel Now. I think they

1:16:54 Speaker 2: should grab James Lakatski. I think they should. I think

1:16:58 Speaker 2: they should grab other people. David Grush, I think they

1:17:01 Speaker 2: should grab them all and do it.

1:17:04 Speaker 3: The forty hospital witnesses that the.

1:17:06 Speaker 2: One person they the one person they subpoena, is gonna

1:17:10 Speaker 2: be the one person who's been coming to Congress for

1:17:12 Speaker 2: seven years? You moron, I mean, what is wrong with you?

1:17:17 Speaker 2: So look, you know, look that is weird. Actually that yeah,

1:17:20 Speaker 2: of course it's weird. Why not look for behind the crevices?

1:17:24 Speaker 2: Why not look behind the couch. Maybe that's what you

1:17:26 Speaker 2: just can't It's incredible, it is so disappointing.

1:17:30 Speaker 3: So I have you know ironic that you just brought.

1:17:35 Speaker 1: So there's been online discussion, There's been discussion for quite

1:17:40 Speaker 1: some time now, including you know, including lou to a

1:17:48 Speaker 1: degree about this idea of the date, the year twenty

1:17:54 Speaker 1: twenty seven, end of the world. And listen, I know

1:17:58 Speaker 1: I want you to be able to rear back on

1:18:01 Speaker 1: this one because there are people who are saying that

1:18:06 Speaker 1: they're becoming concerned because people are telling them, you know,

1:18:10 Speaker 1: that the world is going to end.

1:18:12 Speaker 3: Chris Bledsoe says that the you know, the the Sphinx and.

1:18:18 Speaker 1: The ore Regulus are going to ligne and humans will

1:18:23 Speaker 1: go through a transformation and.

1:18:25 Speaker 2: It's like a lot to show the leftovers or some.

1:18:28 Speaker 1: Weird shit, right right, So there's been a lot of

1:18:30 Speaker 1: this kind of stuff out there, and lately, you know,

1:18:34 Speaker 1: it's kind of taking a turn towards like this apocalyptic scenario.

1:18:40 Speaker 3: What's going on?

1:18:42 Speaker 2: Listen, I have heard all the dates. I mean, I

1:18:46 Speaker 2: don't know all the dates. But first of all, let

1:18:48 Speaker 2: me just point out for your audience a problem I have.

1:18:51 Speaker 2: Let's say, somebody came to you and I said to you, hey,

1:18:54 Speaker 2: you know I have some bad news. You know, something's

1:18:59 Speaker 2: going to happen in twenty twenty seven. Or let's say

1:19:03 Speaker 2: let's go back to nine to eleven. Right, let's say

1:19:05 Speaker 2: somebody came up to the CIA or FBI and said, guys,

1:19:09 Speaker 2: something is done right in this that analogy, right, But

1:19:14 Speaker 2: let's say somebody came and said something's gonna happen, right,

1:19:17 Speaker 2: wouldn't you want to know, like more precisely, you know,

1:19:21 Speaker 2: somebody came up to me and said, hey, guys, we're

1:19:23 Speaker 2: gonna have some terrors. They're gonna jump in some planes,

1:19:24 Speaker 2: and we're gonna a lot of chatter. I would be like,

1:19:27 Speaker 2: can you tell me at least if it's going to

1:19:28 Speaker 2: be on a Tuesday. Can you tell me if it's

1:19:31 Speaker 2: going to be on a federal holiday?

1:19:33 Speaker 1: You know?

1:19:33 Speaker 2: Do I have to do a guessing game? So this

1:19:36 Speaker 2: idea of twenty twenty seven is so asinine? Or any

1:19:41 Speaker 2: of these dates, whoever is the genius behind all of

1:19:45 Speaker 2: these dates, or any single one of them, could you

1:19:48 Speaker 2: be more precise? I assume if it is a comet,

1:19:51 Speaker 2: a meteor, the sun blowing up, ghosts showing up in

1:19:55 Speaker 2: our dimension whatever, you wouldn't know it would be. No, Oh,

1:19:59 Speaker 2: it's to be August twelfth at two thirty two pm.

1:20:02 Speaker 2: I guess I'll cancel my appointment, you know. And I

1:20:04 Speaker 2: don't see any behaviors of anybody acting differently than they

1:20:08 Speaker 2: should be, unless they anticipate living a long and prosperous life.

1:20:12 Speaker 2: I just am finishing the build of a duplex, put

1:20:15 Speaker 2: a metal roof on it so it could last one

1:20:17 Speaker 2: hundred years or fifty years. I'm planning for next year.

1:20:21 Speaker 2: I've set trial dates. Lou Alzando's up at a bar

1:20:25 Speaker 2: and trying to do a business so he can help

1:20:27 Speaker 2: the people in his community because it's a small town

1:20:29 Speaker 2: and it needs more business and employment. None of these

1:20:33 Speaker 2: people are acting like it's the end of the world,

1:20:36 Speaker 2: So I don't know comes from. Certainly, I probably asked

1:20:41 Speaker 2: people about various dates. I got to tell you there.

1:20:44 Speaker 2: I will give to one thing, but one funny story

1:20:46 Speaker 2: I had in somebody, and they didn't really I don't

1:20:48 Speaker 2: remember they gave me a date, but I do remember

1:20:50 Speaker 2: they were telling me some weird story about like a

1:20:52 Speaker 2: blue planet with blue souls or I don't even know

1:20:55 Speaker 2: what it was. It was super weird. The guy was

1:20:57 Speaker 2: a nice guy. I'm not trying to be mean to him.

1:20:59 Speaker 2: I'm just saying, you know, I've heard all these weird

1:21:01 Speaker 2: stories and I don't put one bit of faith on them.

1:21:04 Speaker 2: What's happened is, unfortunately, you know, there's a particular person,

1:21:08 Speaker 2: a guy named Jonathan Davies. I believe he is a

1:21:10 Speaker 2: lunat idiot of who's the head of Unhidden and has

1:21:13 Speaker 2: a board member of Jay Stratton, who certainly hates me

1:21:15 Speaker 2: for certain reasons. And uh, you know, so they yeah

1:21:19 Speaker 2: and so and Jay, if you're out there, you know

1:21:21 Speaker 2: what I mean. So I'm just telling you that these

1:21:26 Speaker 2: lunatics go behind the scenes. And people have told me

1:21:29 Speaker 2: many times that I've been discredited, said to be an

1:21:31 Speaker 2: intelligence agent, said to be, you know, disingenuous. I need

1:21:35 Speaker 2: to be, you know, I don't even know what the

1:21:37 Speaker 2: rumors are. They're so weird. I'm an alien. I mean,

1:21:40 Speaker 2: there's so these people are such nerds. I mean, sorry,

1:21:42 Speaker 2: there's such nerds. I just can't help it. I don't

1:21:44 Speaker 2: mind nerds, but but you know, I mean they're just weers.

1:21:48 Speaker 2: They're trolls. They're disgusting, and so do I believe there's

1:21:51 Speaker 2: any date of impending apocalypse. Please don't call I love.

1:21:55 Speaker 2: I've had people call me in the nicest ways and

1:21:57 Speaker 2: trying to ask the guys, is there something happening. There's

1:22:00 Speaker 2: nothing happening that I know. I do think we have

1:22:02 Speaker 2: to worry. I do think we have to worry about

1:22:04 Speaker 2: a new COVID variant or you know, bird flu. I

1:22:07 Speaker 2: think we have to worry about Putin deciding, you know,

1:22:09 Speaker 2: he's the king of the world and destroying everything. I

1:22:12 Speaker 2: have to worry about Taiwan, I have to. I think

1:22:14 Speaker 2: we have to worry about Islami jihadism in Pakistan and

1:22:16 Speaker 2: maybe a bomb going a rant or a dirty bomb.

1:22:19 Speaker 2: I think we have to worry about genetically modified organisms. Perhaps,

1:22:21 Speaker 2: you know, there's a lot of things we really have

1:22:23 Speaker 2: to worry about prosaic and certainly the drones are very

1:22:26 Speaker 2: very curious. I think we have to switch our immediate

1:22:29 Speaker 2: attention to them. But I do not think there is

1:22:31 Speaker 2: any apocalyptic event. I think that's garbage. But I would

1:22:35 Speaker 2: just say that if there were an apocalyptic date, and

1:22:38 Speaker 2: if anybody were spreading that rumor, and if that rumor

1:22:40 Speaker 2: were presented to Congress, it would be colonel call now.

1:22:43 Speaker 1: Oh wow, Okay, so you are not messaging, you're not

1:22:50 Speaker 1: talking about any dates.

1:22:53 Speaker 2: Let me be extraordinarily clear again. There is no date

1:22:57 Speaker 2: I am aware of, right, no date, not even a

1:23:00 Speaker 2: year that I have any reason to believe at all

1:23:03 Speaker 2: there is any apocalyptic event forthcoming. Okay, none, zero, no,

1:23:09 Speaker 2: no date, no doom. I know you like it because

1:23:13 Speaker 2: it gives meaning to your lives or some fascination or

1:23:17 Speaker 2: reified that the aliens are going to come and I'm

1:23:19 Speaker 2: going to be transported to you know, to visit my

1:23:22 Speaker 2: grandparents in the past or whatever the fuck you stupid thing.

1:23:25 Speaker 2: But there is no dates of apocalypse, and I don't believe.

1:23:29 Speaker 2: I don't believe in any of it. I think it's weird.

1:23:32 Speaker 2: I'm not saying it's not possible, because I have to

1:23:35 Speaker 2: accept there are always a possibility that maybe something could happen.

1:23:38 Speaker 2: And so, for example, if doctor via Roell's work is

1:23:41 Speaker 2: true that there are these transients, and you know, I mean,

1:23:44 Speaker 2: I'm going to give it a possibility that you know,

1:23:47 Speaker 2: that anything is possible, and we have had I mean, remember,

1:23:50 Speaker 2: I don't know how long ago, but there was a

1:23:51 Speaker 2: comment that hit of or yeah, a meteor com I

1:23:54 Speaker 2: don't know.

1:23:54 Speaker 3: What it was hit Russia.

1:23:56 Speaker 2: Russia is not the Tungusta one, but it was the

1:23:59 Speaker 2: other one that was you know, ten years ago.

1:24:01 Speaker 3: Or something like that. Yeah, there's video of it.

1:24:03 Speaker 2: Right, And I mean I'm sure, I wish I'm sure

1:24:05 Speaker 2: if somebody wouldn't like to have known. I think people

1:24:06 Speaker 2: got hurt, you know. But yeah, but so so there

1:24:11 Speaker 2: are things like that that worry should worry us.

1:24:13 Speaker 1: Wouldn't that be a fucking wouldn't that be just the

1:24:17 Speaker 1: most ironic. We're like, we're, you know, the New Year

1:24:21 Speaker 1: twenty twenty seven hits and a month later, you know,

1:24:24 Speaker 1: we find out like, oh shit, we're gonna get smacked

1:24:27 Speaker 1: by the by this.

1:24:29 Speaker 2: You know, if you if you believe that, then please

1:24:31 Speaker 2: sell me your stocks a ten percent of value and

1:24:34 Speaker 2: we'll be well.

1:24:36 Speaker 1: No, the irony is if it really did happen, and

1:24:40 Speaker 1: it was, you know what I mean, and all of

1:24:41 Speaker 1: a sudden, we're just like, ah, fuck, maybe we shouldn't

1:24:44 Speaker 1: have uh maybe you know, maybe we shouldn't have willed

1:24:47 Speaker 1: this into existence.

1:24:49 Speaker 2: Well I mean look, I mean, oh please, I think

1:24:52 Speaker 2: that's all nonsense. I mean, look, if there's advanced species

1:24:55 Speaker 2: out there coming to visit. I mean, why would you

1:24:59 Speaker 2: come and just roy like the ants, you know, I

1:25:02 Speaker 2: find it just phenomenally yeah, you know looks so you know,

1:25:05 Speaker 2: if there's something, I mean, there could always be a

1:25:07 Speaker 2: meteor comment, you know, whatever. These things are flying around.

1:25:10 Speaker 2: We found one traversy and recently through the solar system

1:25:12 Speaker 2: quite large. I don't think, you know, it's not coming

1:25:14 Speaker 2: our way, but I mean I think there's a you know,

1:25:19 Speaker 2: I think what's going on here is the psychology of

1:25:22 Speaker 2: people want some doom to energate, you know, enervate them

1:25:27 Speaker 2: and so on. But but you know, that's my hypothesis.

1:25:33 Speaker 2: I don't see any reason to panic about anything. I

1:25:36 Speaker 2: think these are just the rumor mill. And you know

1:25:39 Speaker 2: they've always tried, you know, these lunatics online try to

1:25:42 Speaker 2: malign me. They want me to stay quiet, but I've

1:25:45 Speaker 2: you know, and honestly it's only because I've honored lou

1:25:50 Speaker 2: who generally turns the other cheek, never says anything negative

1:25:53 Speaker 2: about anyone. Even with Luna, he was quite respectful and

1:25:57 Speaker 2: wanted to make peace, and he was just saying, look,

1:25:59 Speaker 2: here's the truth he inadvertently released. But that's public stuff anyway,

1:26:04 Speaker 2: it's silly, but but there is no piece to be had,

1:26:08 Speaker 2: and uh because not at least at least I don't

1:26:12 Speaker 2: see any indications from Representative Luna that she wants to

1:26:18 Speaker 2: actually communicate directly. She's always like, my phone number is there?

1:26:23 Speaker 2: It's like what I mean? I mean what you have?

1:26:26 Speaker 2: You can get loose phone number in ten seconds, right?

1:26:29 Speaker 2: You know?

1:26:30 Speaker 1: Well, I think there are bad actors in Congress because

1:26:34 Speaker 1: I know that after the November hearing, I walked I

1:26:40 Speaker 1: specifically walked one of the nuclear witnesses, Bob Sallie. I

1:26:45 Speaker 1: walked him into Nancy Mays's office, who chaired that very

1:26:49 Speaker 1: hearing that we both sat through, and she I have

1:26:54 Speaker 1: her on camera saying that she was going to fight

1:26:58 Speaker 1: for a UFO and nukes hearing, and the next week,

1:27:04 Speaker 1: literally the next week, she's battling the trans community and

1:27:10 Speaker 1: loses all credibility with normal people because no one wants

1:27:15 Speaker 1: to engage her now. But I think that she was

1:27:18 Speaker 1: I think that that hearing was a way to gather

1:27:20 Speaker 1: certain it was a way to red team certain people.

1:27:26 Speaker 2: Look, I don't know about that. You're welcome to have it.

1:27:30 Speaker 2: I don't have any opinion about Mace I don't, and

1:27:35 Speaker 2: that's fine. I mean, I you know, it's a mixed

1:27:39 Speaker 2: issue on that. But all I can say is, you know,

1:27:43 Speaker 2: the reality is is that lou is a good person,

1:27:47 Speaker 2: happy to work with whoever wants to work with him.

1:27:50 Speaker 2: You have to just be reasonable, provide regular notice. You know,

1:27:54 Speaker 2: I suspect it, certainly. I would love is, you know,

1:27:56 Speaker 2: him to be compensated at least for his expenses. But

1:27:58 Speaker 2: you know he's eaten it before, as you can eat

1:28:00 Speaker 2: it again, you know. But because he doesn't get a

1:28:03 Speaker 2: congressional stipend to travel and live and all that crap,

1:28:07 Speaker 2: go back and forth from Florida and cause chaos. But

1:28:10 Speaker 2: I'm not here to roll over and say, uh, you

1:28:14 Speaker 2: know that this is that this is an equal Uh

1:28:16 Speaker 2: you know that this is just a snafoo, and it's

1:28:18 Speaker 2: a you know, equally wrong by both sides. This is

1:28:22 Speaker 2: one hundred percent wrong by Luna. She's in temperate, she

1:28:26 Speaker 2: slams everybody. Her brand is to make everybody terrible, to

1:28:31 Speaker 2: show herself with guns. It's just it is, it is

1:28:35 Speaker 2: really unfortunate. And it's not because I hate Republicans. I'm

1:28:40 Speaker 2: kind of a probably a Reagan Republican. I don't know

1:28:43 Speaker 2: if there's probably seven of us left in the country. Yeah,

1:28:47 Speaker 2: you know, so, uh you know. I I don't love

1:28:51 Speaker 2: the Democrats and a lot of their policies, although I

1:28:53 Speaker 2: do like some of them, of course. And but but regardless,

1:28:57 Speaker 2: this has been a She is responsible. She has to

1:29:01 Speaker 2: take responsibility. She's the head of the task force forever,

1:29:04 Speaker 2: long of that lasts. And I to threaten a witness

1:29:09 Speaker 2: with a subpoena, first of all, it's no threat. She

1:29:12 Speaker 2: won't And I think she has very limited chances of

1:29:17 Speaker 2: ascertaining anything because she is so she comes with such

1:29:20 Speaker 2: bad will you know when you when you when you

1:29:22 Speaker 2: bring people into a meeting, you don't threaten them to

1:29:24 Speaker 2: bring them in. Do you understand this? I mean, does

1:29:27 Speaker 2: nobody get it? You don't lambass people when you want

1:29:31 Speaker 2: their cooperation. I no longer I don't care about Luna's

1:29:36 Speaker 2: cooperation or thoughts or beliefs or anything else. I'm not

1:29:39 Speaker 2: afraid of her. I don't respect her. I don't like

1:29:41 Speaker 2: what she's done, and I tell it to her face.

1:29:43 Speaker 2: And if we're in a public hearing, she's got me

1:29:45 Speaker 2: to deal with too. So, uh you know, the reality

1:29:48 Speaker 2: of it is this is absolute insanity, and it really

1:29:52 Speaker 2: begs the question of what the hell is going on?

1:29:55 Speaker 2: You know, clearly there is some situation happening with UAP,

1:30:00 Speaker 2: the UFOs, possibly at HI. There's some there there. I

1:30:04 Speaker 2: am that I am with you, you know, by a preponderance

1:30:07 Speaker 2: of the evidence, fifty one percent, maybe even seventy percent.

1:30:12 Speaker 2: All right, I'm with this idea that there's an investigation

1:30:16 Speaker 2: that needs to be had, but it can't be with

1:30:18 Speaker 2: these incompetent people, and Dave Grush is not one of

1:30:22 Speaker 2: the people. I am sorry, Get lawyers, get assistant US attorneys,

1:30:27 Speaker 2: get real attorneys to pursue and get subpoenas issued, and

1:30:31 Speaker 2: hold a kind of a church commission or something where

1:30:35 Speaker 2: where they can investigate the truth. It's not that I

1:30:37 Speaker 2: don't think Dave Grush has told important truths, but my

1:30:41 Speaker 2: experience with him behind the scenes has been very negative.

1:30:45 Speaker 2: And I made that very clear, very clear. Don't ever

1:30:52 Speaker 2: ever try to mess with me, and my.

1:30:55 Speaker 3: Client understood, understood.

1:30:57 Speaker 1: Yeah no, And I think that's I think, at least

1:31:00 Speaker 1: the way you know you represent you, I think it's

1:31:04 Speaker 1: I think you're you're you're.

1:31:08 Speaker 3: There's a big battle there. It's not a big battle.

1:31:10 Speaker 1: But it's a big it's it's it is a big

1:31:12 Speaker 1: task to come into this and kind of be exposed

1:31:15 Speaker 1: to all of it at hot at the one of

1:31:18 Speaker 1: the highest levels. Again, he is a very well known person.

1:31:23 Speaker 1: Do you remember do you remember I'm not sure if

1:31:28 Speaker 1: he like if he filled you in on some of

1:31:30 Speaker 1: the the post twenty seventeen stuff, but do you remember

1:31:35 Speaker 1: to the Stars Academy?

1:31:37 Speaker 2: Sure?

1:31:37 Speaker 1: Okay, so I got a viewer not a viewer question,

1:31:41 Speaker 1: but a viewer question. But in twenty seventeen, uh, Tom

1:31:47 Speaker 1: DeLong stood on stage and said, we are going to

1:31:51 Speaker 1: be building one of these things to entice investors. You know,

1:31:59 Speaker 1: mister Ella's was a member of this organization. I'm not

1:32:03 Speaker 1: saying that he is responsible. Have they encountered any issues

1:32:08 Speaker 1: with the SEC about an effort like this? And what

1:32:11 Speaker 1: does what do you think about the claims that this

1:32:16 Speaker 1: was more of a techno scam.

1:32:20 Speaker 2: I have no opinion upond to the Stars Academy. I

1:32:23 Speaker 2: don't know about their financial you know, whatever was going on,

1:32:28 Speaker 2: I know I will say I Lou you know, left

1:32:32 Speaker 2: became a part of that moved. His tenure there was

1:32:36 Speaker 2: cut short. He suffered greatly. I don't think intentionally and

1:32:41 Speaker 2: I don't know, but it was not a positive experience.

1:32:45 Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think it was ultimately positive. Think

1:32:47 Speaker 2: there were many good people. It just didn't work out.

1:32:50 Speaker 2: And you know, that's all I know about it. I

1:32:53 Speaker 2: don't know, you know, I've I've heard it. I was

1:32:54 Speaker 2: watching somebody I don't recall who. It was a speech

1:32:58 Speaker 2: by how put off somebody linked to it. I was like, okay,

1:33:01 Speaker 2: you watch it. It was a it was okay, speech

1:33:03 Speaker 2: about from twenty eighteen or something about the It mentioned

1:33:08 Speaker 2: to the Stars Academy and some efforts that they were making.

1:33:11 Speaker 2: I don't know what they're thinking was. I don't know

1:33:14 Speaker 2: what it was about. I could just say that whatever

1:33:16 Speaker 2: managerial fiduciary duties that were owed to that company and

1:33:21 Speaker 2: its investors has zero to do with the Luella Zondo

1:33:25 Speaker 2: so to that extent, I don't know. You know, he

1:33:28 Speaker 2: was just an employee and you know, unfortunately when when

1:33:33 Speaker 2: it collapsed, I think he suffered a lot. But other

1:33:36 Speaker 2: than that, I don't really have any information.

1:33:39 Speaker 3: Okay of that.

1:33:40 Speaker 1: And then that's and that's absolutely fair. Beyond you know,

1:33:44 Speaker 1: the legal and political battles. You know, what's the human

1:33:49 Speaker 1: toll of working in the UFO disclosure space as an attorney,

1:33:54 Speaker 1: and how is this journey affected you personally? What drives

1:33:57 Speaker 1: you to keep pushing forward alongside LOO in such a

1:34:00 Speaker 1: high stakes mission.

1:34:04 Speaker 2: I think that's I appreciate your question. I think that's

1:34:06 Speaker 2: your characterization of it, and I understand why you frame

1:34:08 Speaker 2: it that way. I'm a little different, you know. I'm

1:34:11 Speaker 2: happy being an attorney, a litigator. I have investments, I

1:34:14 Speaker 2: have properties, I have business partners wonderful. I have a

1:34:17 Speaker 2: wonderful wife and family. I'm curious. I like to read.

1:34:20 Speaker 2: I like to you know, do martial arts. You know

1:34:25 Speaker 2: when I when my body allows it, I like, I

1:34:27 Speaker 2: just want to kickboxing today. You know, got punched in

1:34:29 Speaker 2: the face a couple of times. Yeah, so you know,

1:34:33 Speaker 2: I love it. I'll watch the UFC tonight, you know,

1:34:35 Speaker 2: and tough with them. You know, I'm gonna have fun.

1:34:37 Speaker 2: I'm gonna go with Ddpchmives of Beast too. But I'm

1:34:40 Speaker 2: gonna go, you know.

1:34:40 Speaker 3: But yeah, I'm with you.

1:34:43 Speaker 2: But but the bottom line is, no, there's so many

1:34:45 Speaker 2: things to do in life. This is not my I

1:34:49 Speaker 2: do not These UFO people all in some way see

1:34:53 Speaker 2: themselves ending up is the architect of ufology or the

1:34:58 Speaker 2: lawyer for ufology or this for that, I don't see

1:35:01 Speaker 2: that at all. I think this is a government problem,

1:35:04 Speaker 2: a scientific problem, a technical social problem, political problem, a

1:35:08 Speaker 2: media problem. We need to approach it thoughtfully and resolve it.

1:35:12 Speaker 2: So for me, you know, I'm going to go about

1:35:15 Speaker 2: living my life. I'm happy to represent individuals as needed,

1:35:20 Speaker 2: but I'm not going to compromise myself and my integrity

1:35:23 Speaker 2: as an attorney as well as just as a human

1:35:25 Speaker 2: being on the altar of aliens. If they want to

1:35:29 Speaker 2: visit with me, I'm happy to do so. But the

1:35:31 Speaker 2: only people, by the way, who bothered the hell out

1:35:33 Speaker 2: of me in this field have been the people in it,

1:35:36 Speaker 2: not the aliens. And you know, and to that extent,

1:35:42 Speaker 2: I mean, you know, frankly, this is even though it

1:35:47 Speaker 2: seems like the stakes are high, because you know, there's

1:35:49 Speaker 2: an ontology and the science behind it that would have

1:35:51 Speaker 2: tremendous implications for humanity. Again, I do not feel the

1:35:55 Speaker 2: humans are particularly prepared. They're not good enough, I means,

1:36:00 Speaker 2: are going to fix this. So I go back to

1:36:01 Speaker 2: fix ourselves and learn the science and figure out what's

1:36:04 Speaker 2: going on. It's pretty simple.

1:36:05 Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe instead of looking we need to start looking

1:36:08 Speaker 1: in right.

1:36:10 Speaker 2: Look in, be a better person, tell the truth, Stop

1:36:13 Speaker 2: letting the jackasses out their control. Who you talk to,

1:36:17 Speaker 2: what your narrative is, what you say, Stop judging people

1:36:20 Speaker 2: so quickly, Stop telling people that they're going to subpoena them,

1:36:23 Speaker 2: you knit with, you know, just be a decent human being.

1:36:28 Speaker 2: There are some decent human beings, but there's few and

1:36:31 Speaker 2: far between, unfortunately, and there's a lot of people who

1:36:34 Speaker 2: compromise their ethics and will not tell truth to power.

1:36:37 Speaker 2: Despite being educated and having read all the right books,

1:36:40 Speaker 2: they will not do so because fundamentally they want something

1:36:44 Speaker 2: out of this, because they have some sort of hollow emptiness.

1:36:47 Speaker 2: I come in with the full life, I leave with

1:36:49 Speaker 2: the full life. So I'll represent the people who want

1:36:52 Speaker 2: representation in whatever way. When there's an actual legal issue

1:36:55 Speaker 2: in front of me, I'll attack it as I need to.

1:36:58 Speaker 2: And to the sense that representative of Luna, you know,

1:37:02 Speaker 2: has has has created a legal issue, well, she's going

1:37:05 Speaker 2: to get one back. And I'm going to say, if

1:37:07 Speaker 2: you're going to subpoena lou there are other people.

1:37:09 Speaker 1: To subpoena as well, like and you named so like

1:37:12 Speaker 1: I said, let's go Jim Lekatski, who open I don't.

1:37:17 Speaker 2: By the way, the only reason I say James I

1:37:19 Speaker 2: heard him on webinars, But I never aways like, why

1:37:23 Speaker 2: isn't everybody like going, wait, hey, dude, come back, you

1:37:26 Speaker 2: know get it's a poena Luna. Why don't you ask

1:37:29 Speaker 2: the guy who said he went inside of there was

1:37:31 Speaker 2: something about being inside of the UFO that.

1:37:33 Speaker 3: Somebody got I'm fucking talking about They're not.

1:37:37 Speaker 2: I have a plenty of other people I can point too,

1:37:39 Speaker 2: but I don't know these people and what they did

1:37:41 Speaker 2: and you know, in reality, and and what their roles are.

1:37:44 Speaker 2: And uh, I'm sure there's bunches of people that would

1:37:47 Speaker 2: be better, you know who where you could actually learn

1:37:50 Speaker 2: information at an operational level. However, I think all of them,

1:37:54 Speaker 2: if they are part of the national security in any way,

1:37:56 Speaker 2: need to get clearance. And if not that you have

1:37:58 Speaker 2: a you're going to have a battle between the Congress

1:38:02 Speaker 2: and the executive. But you know, to Congress saying appropriately, hey,

1:38:07 Speaker 2: we want these people to tell us their truth, the

1:38:10 Speaker 2: executives saying no, that's executive privilege. The unitary executive don't

1:38:14 Speaker 2: get to learn that, and then we have to have

1:38:16 Speaker 2: that that that debate, and and and by the way,

1:38:21 Speaker 2: I mean, you know, nobody holds Congress has done jack

1:38:23 Speaker 2: Ship and Luna. You've done nothing except threating. Louel was

1:38:26 Speaker 2: on it with the sub poenut, you know, I mean,

1:38:28 Speaker 2: this is insane. How are we going to get to

1:38:30 Speaker 2: the bottom of this? Use your power for good? This

1:38:33 Speaker 2: is not the good. You've just decided to lambast somebody

1:38:36 Speaker 2: because you were on Joe Rogan and poor Joe Rogan.

1:38:40 Speaker 2: I mean, you know, he's got all his curiosities. You know,

1:38:42 Speaker 2: he doesn't know and and he entertains these people, you know, and.

1:38:48 Speaker 1: Obviously she's easy on the eyes and definitely Congress favor it.

1:38:54 Speaker 2: You know, it really grosses me out when people are like,

1:38:56 Speaker 2: oh god, you know, because I heard people say, oh,

1:38:58 Speaker 2: she's so pretty, she's so pretty. I mean, was in

1:39:00 Speaker 2: a room if there were people telling me how attractive

1:39:02 Speaker 2: she was and she I'm sure she loves to hear it.

1:39:05 Speaker 1: You know.

1:39:05 Speaker 2: But you're not there as the maximum representative.

1:39:09 Speaker 3: Of You're there as the representative of Florida.

1:39:12 Speaker 2: Not right. You're there to be a decent human being

1:39:14 Speaker 2: and stop stop punishing everybody who has a different view

1:39:19 Speaker 2: of life. I don't agree with Biden particularly, or a

1:39:23 Speaker 2: Hillary or I like Obama, but you know, I don't

1:39:26 Speaker 2: agree with some of the dude with many of the

1:39:28 Speaker 2: Democrat platforms, but I'm not going to impose upon them

1:39:30 Speaker 2: some that they're terrible people. You know, maybe maybe they were.

1:39:34 Speaker 2: There could be, you know, wrongs that were done, but

1:39:37 Speaker 2: this is not the way to proceed, and not to

1:39:40 Speaker 2: do it to people you're inviting to an event to

1:39:42 Speaker 2: give you information to help you do whatever it is

1:39:45 Speaker 2: you believe your job is. I don't know what she

1:39:47 Speaker 2: thinks her job is. She's taking on a wide compass.

1:39:51 Speaker 2: So far, I don't know that what she's resolved. Maybe

1:39:53 Speaker 2: she has had some successes. I'm I'm not particularly I'm

1:39:58 Speaker 2: not as fat. I like JFK's ideas and his speeches,

1:40:01 Speaker 2: and you know, he's handsome and it was the Camelot

1:40:04 Speaker 2: and all that. I love that, And if and if

1:40:06 Speaker 2: he was assassinated by CIA or something like that, that's

1:40:09 Speaker 2: extraordinarily unfortunate and important to the historical record. All that

1:40:13 Speaker 2: said is true. But you know, the UAP issue to

1:40:16 Speaker 2: me and the drone issue are right now and they've

1:40:21 Speaker 2: been set on the back burner, and you've ambassador the

1:40:24 Speaker 2: people who came willingly on their own dime, often to

1:40:29 Speaker 2: to do the right thing for your own publicity benefit.

1:40:34 Speaker 2: I will see you soon.

1:40:37 Speaker 3: Wow.

1:40:39 Speaker 1: One last thing, because I I, uh, we overshot the

1:40:44 Speaker 1: time here, sure, but I'm having such a good time.

1:40:47 Speaker 3: I mean, you're this is wonderful.

1:40:49 Speaker 1: But you know, she she also made a claim and

1:40:53 Speaker 1: I don't want to make this about Luna, I really don't,

1:40:56 Speaker 1: but since it's here, I mean, she made a claim

1:41:00 Speaker 1: about interdimensional beings in the same breath as this whole

1:41:04 Speaker 1: skiff flute thing, and she said she has seen she

1:41:08 Speaker 1: saw evidence that that suggested that these things are interdimensional.

1:41:16 Speaker 1: If she has that kind of evidence somewhere, how do we,

1:41:20 Speaker 1: the people or someone like yourself, who is you know,

1:41:24 Speaker 1: biting at the champion, how do we get that stuff out?

1:41:28 Speaker 1: I mean, you can't just go on an internationally syndicated,

1:41:32 Speaker 1: the biggest podcast in the world and say you have

1:41:35 Speaker 1: you've seen evidence of interdimensional beings that operate out of

1:41:39 Speaker 1: outside of space in time and then just move on.

1:41:44 Speaker 1: I mean, that's a fucking huge claim.

1:41:47 Speaker 2: Is there a way these interdimensional beings can take her

1:41:50 Speaker 2: with them. You know. Look, I don't know.

1:41:58 Speaker 1: I would hate to be I would hate to be

1:42:01 Speaker 1: an attorney fighting you in a courtroom.

1:42:08 Speaker 2: Generally speaking with the posing counsel. I'm very very polite,

1:42:11 Speaker 2: and we try to work together when I can, if

1:42:12 Speaker 2: they're reasonable. That's the best way to do it. And

1:42:15 Speaker 2: we're here to fight for truth, not for just fighting

1:42:18 Speaker 2: for our egos or whatever it happens to be. There's

1:42:20 Speaker 2: a bit of that, of course, but that's not why. Look,

1:42:24 Speaker 2: I don't know what she's talking about interdimensional beings. I

1:42:26 Speaker 2: don't think she could, you know, I don't. I have

1:42:29 Speaker 2: no interest. I mean, that's an interesting idea. She's prone

1:42:33 Speaker 2: to provocative claims. She finds herself as an attention seeking person.

1:42:38 Speaker 2: Whatever evidence. I mean. That rule to require is you know,

1:42:41 Speaker 2: some significant understanding. I have no all knowledge of that.

1:42:45 Speaker 2: If there are interdimensional beings, I don't know really what

1:42:48 Speaker 2: good that does it. I'm not you know, I've only exist,

1:42:50 Speaker 2: you know, I exist in the four dimensions right now,

1:42:55 Speaker 2: and that's it. So that's all that I know. Not

1:42:57 Speaker 2: against the possibility, and it's very interesting, but I do

1:42:59 Speaker 2: not try her to transmit, you know, whether there were

1:43:02 Speaker 2: jelly beans and a jelly you know, in a jar.

1:43:05 Speaker 2: You know, I have no interest in what she has

1:43:07 Speaker 2: to say. I don't believe any of it. Wherever her

1:43:10 Speaker 2: sources are probably in an office next door or something,

1:43:14 Speaker 2: who knows, and I have just no I just I

1:43:17 Speaker 2: just can't take her seriously. Again, she could have a

1:43:19 Speaker 2: secret for all the UFOs, you know, somewhere in Florida.

1:43:22 Speaker 2: There's a lot of weird people there. But you know,

1:43:27 Speaker 2: but I don't accredit that with anything. You know, It's

1:43:30 Speaker 2: funny because you know, in the UFO world, they're like,

1:43:32 Speaker 2: oh God, don't piss her off. Don't piss her off.

1:43:34 Speaker 2: It's like, you guys have no standards. You're willing to

1:43:37 Speaker 2: let yourselves go to compromise any principle you're afraid, and

1:43:41 Speaker 2: it's it's it's it's ridiculous. And because she's attractive, or

1:43:45 Speaker 2: because she's outspoken, or because she's on your side.

1:43:48 Speaker 1: I will say that I do. I do agree with

1:43:53 Speaker 1: you there. You know, for for ninety plus years, the

1:43:57 Speaker 1: government was the enemy, let's say, quote unquote, and now

1:44:02 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you know, we we have a

1:44:05 Speaker 1: couple representatives, a couple senators, a couple people in government

1:44:11 Speaker 1: that are showing interests, and now all of a sudden

1:44:14 Speaker 1: we hang on their every breadth, their every word. When

1:44:18 Speaker 1: it's the same government, it's the same.

1:44:21 Speaker 2: Look bird, look. Look. First of all, Eric Burlston is

1:44:25 Speaker 2: a gentleman and a nice person. He's tried to mediate this,

1:44:27 Speaker 2: and to his credit, I'm glad for that. I don't

1:44:31 Speaker 2: think it'll work good. But he's a great guy. Timber Chat,

1:44:34 Speaker 2: I think as well. So you know, he's interested in this.

1:44:36 Speaker 2: It seems like from his heart, you know, that's where

1:44:39 Speaker 2: this interest comes from. I believe mister Garcia. I've never

1:44:41 Speaker 2: represented Garcia, I've never met him, but I believe I've

1:44:44 Speaker 2: heard good things that he's you know, has good intentions.

1:44:47 Speaker 2: You know. There are senators too. Booker I think is

1:44:49 Speaker 2: interested in some ways. Certainly it's a state, you know,

1:44:52 Speaker 2: New Jersey. I don't know, you know, I wish. I

1:44:56 Speaker 2: think there's a degree of real interest. But the politicians

1:44:59 Speaker 2: don't have to be our enemies. But neither should we.

1:45:02 Speaker 2: You know, count how to them and kneel before them

1:45:05 Speaker 2: as if they're just all powerful. And the people who

1:45:08 Speaker 2: are part of the orbs as I will call them,

1:45:11 Speaker 2: are constantly using their proximity without being lobby ast somehow

1:45:16 Speaker 2: to Congress people to secure notoriety funding whatever. Well, sorry,

1:45:22 Speaker 2: there's a degree to which that does seem like drifting, okay,

1:45:26 Speaker 2: and yeah, yeah, so no, I do think that there

1:45:31 Speaker 2: needs to be an organization to effectively lobby. And I

1:45:33 Speaker 2: think lobbying is when it's registered and appropriate, correct, so

1:45:37 Speaker 2: that you know, so that Congress becomes informed and interested.

1:45:40 Speaker 2: I'm not against any of them, but the representatives serve us.

1:45:46 Speaker 2: Stop being so weak that you you know, get a

1:45:50 Speaker 2: broader constituency, do the poor go talk to other representatives

1:45:53 Speaker 2: who are curious about this from a religious perspective, a

1:45:56 Speaker 2: personal perspective. You know, there's five hundred and thirty five

1:45:59 Speaker 2: of them. I'm sure some of them have been abducted

1:46:01 Speaker 2: by aliens but won't say it or whatever, you know

1:46:03 Speaker 2: what I mean, like like, there's got to be somebody

1:46:05 Speaker 2: out there. You know, we need better people and more

1:46:07 Speaker 2: of them, and it needs to be bipartisan. It can't

1:46:10 Speaker 2: be continually with just the Republicans. They haven't been successful.

1:46:14 Speaker 2: They can't find Epstein's murder, you know, despite whatever I mean,

1:46:17 Speaker 2: they can't find his collaborators. They can't do you know. Look,

1:46:20 Speaker 2: I mean it's all nonsense, so correctly, Yeah, they need

1:46:25 Speaker 2: to get by. The ufology needs a broader set of

1:46:28 Speaker 2: representatives and senators who are interested in it. I don't

1:46:32 Speaker 2: believe that the UAP Disclosure Act, you know that everybody's like,

1:46:36 Speaker 2: oh gosh, you got to support it, you got to

1:46:38 Speaker 2: support it. I talked to people who are like, you

1:46:40 Speaker 2: got to support it. Him like who wrote it? They're like,

1:46:42 Speaker 2: we have no idea it was call him now with

1:46:44 Speaker 2: some help from who knows who? And you know, and

1:46:47 Speaker 2: he's been operating behind the scenes. I see guy that

1:46:51 Speaker 2: he is. He's I had a terrible set of experiences

1:46:55 Speaker 2: with him.

1:46:55 Speaker 1: I was going to say, do you think this is

1:46:57 Speaker 1: he's problematics.

1:47:01 Speaker 2: I absolutely think he's problematic and.

1:47:04 Speaker 3: The topic where it's going or you.

1:47:06 Speaker 2: Know, he's a very intelligent person, right, and so I

1:47:10 Speaker 2: hold you, if you're intelligent like that to a higher

1:47:13 Speaker 2: not lower standard. Okay, you have a better standard. And

1:47:18 Speaker 2: unfortunately I think he's you know, I don't know why.

1:47:23 Speaker 2: For example, you know, rather than saying, let's as a

1:47:29 Speaker 2: community look at legislation, and first of all, there should

1:47:32 Speaker 2: be investigation before legislation, and we haven't even done any investigation.

1:47:36 Speaker 2: They've not issued one suboena in Congress except for Louelli

1:47:39 Speaker 2: Zonda apparently, and then they're going in passing legislation. Are

1:47:44 Speaker 2: you insane? Right? Don't do that. There should be a

1:47:47 Speaker 2: public and community investigation prior to passing legislation that is

1:47:53 Speaker 2: appropriate to what is discovered according to the facts. This

1:47:57 Speaker 2: is government one oh one, unless yes, you have private

1:48:01 Speaker 2: interests guiding themselves to some nirvana which you know, please support,

1:48:07 Speaker 2: please support, support. No, it should be public, The drafting

1:48:13 Speaker 2: should be public, the people should be public, the upologies community.

1:48:17 Speaker 2: We should say we collaborate together on a piece of

1:48:20 Speaker 2: legislation that we think will hit the low hanging fruit

1:48:23 Speaker 2: and gives us the best chance of either having people

1:48:25 Speaker 2: who are whistleblowers or what do you want to call them,

1:48:28 Speaker 2: or government people or non government people be securing their property,

1:48:32 Speaker 2: provide testimony under oath, and help us determine and also

1:48:35 Speaker 2: fund the science to see if there are things that

1:48:38 Speaker 2: have been excluded. You know, I'm you know from our understanding,

1:48:44 Speaker 2: whether in physics or astronomy, it doesn't mean this is

1:48:47 Speaker 2: what should happen, and it should be done openly, but

1:48:51 Speaker 2: not in secret five oh one C three, sending memos

1:48:55 Speaker 2: back and forth. I have seen them, so that you

1:48:58 Speaker 2: can sneak in the door and then go tell a congressman,

1:49:01 Speaker 2: just put this in, you know, and do this. And

1:49:03 Speaker 2: they don't know the topic, they don't have the legislative

1:49:05 Speaker 2: staff who are familiar with it, so they're just they're like,

1:49:08 Speaker 2: who's this? What's this? Okay? Yeah, drones? Sure you know.

1:49:12 Speaker 2: Now this isn't exactly the wrong way to do things,

1:49:15 Speaker 2: informed and educated and open, you know, why are we

1:49:20 Speaker 2: a try? Why do you? Why do you and I'm

1:49:23 Speaker 2: telling you I've seen this so many times? Why do

1:49:26 Speaker 2: you allow you? Demand government transparency, Demand that the government

1:49:31 Speaker 2: tell you about your UFO? Where are the aliens? Who

1:49:34 Speaker 2: knows what? And then the process to do that is hidden?

1:49:39 Speaker 2: It is absurd. Bring it to the community forefront. Bring

1:49:44 Speaker 2: it draft legislation together in a a in a congress,

1:49:48 Speaker 2: you know, in a like a constitutional congress, we'll call

1:49:50 Speaker 2: it a constitutional UFO congress, where legislation is proposed, voted upon, suggested,

1:49:56 Speaker 2: And then you take it as a community and you say, Congress,

1:49:59 Speaker 2: this is what we're looking to do. Would you do it? Instead?

1:50:02 Speaker 2: It's drafted behind the scenes by people with selfish interests

1:50:06 Speaker 2: aligned to take through eminent domain. Perhaps at least some

1:50:09 Speaker 2: people fear their property and their understanding and what they've

1:50:13 Speaker 2: worked towards.

1:50:14 Speaker 1: No.

1:50:15 Speaker 2: And plus the government, if there were UFOs, has every

1:50:17 Speaker 2: right to day to walk in and take it. It's

1:50:20 Speaker 2: not for absence of legislation, it's absence for willpower. So

1:50:24 Speaker 2: I'm telling you my truth as I understand it. I

1:50:26 Speaker 2: could be wrong. If you've change, I'm willing to change

1:50:30 Speaker 2: my mind. But I do not see goodwill.

1:50:33 Speaker 3: Have you seen?

1:50:35 Speaker 1: Were you in attendance at south By Southwest for that?

1:50:39 Speaker 3: The screening of I was not? No no, So you

1:50:42 Speaker 3: didn't see the film yet?

1:50:44 Speaker 2: No, no, no, But the trailer was really phenomenal.

1:50:46 Speaker 3: Yeah, I was gonna.

1:50:48 Speaker 1: I haven't saying it either, but I know that people

1:50:53 Speaker 1: are talking about it and saying that, you know, it

1:51:00 Speaker 1: could bring a general public uh like fever pitch, you know,

1:51:07 Speaker 1: and generate interests and listen.

1:51:08 Speaker 3: I hope it.

1:51:09 Speaker 1: I hope it does, but it's also calling for that

1:51:12 Speaker 1: mass amnesty, and I.

1:51:14 Speaker 3: Just don't think that that's the way to go.

1:51:16 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I've not seen the movie, so I don't

1:51:18 Speaker 2: know that it makes it all. Yeah, you know, I

1:51:21 Speaker 2: just saw the trailer and thought it was really cool.

1:51:23 Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it does look good.

1:51:25 Speaker 2: Aside from being night for the trailer, that's it. You know,

1:51:28 Speaker 2: I'm looking at when it gets out awesome. And I

1:51:30 Speaker 2: do think it could make a really big impact. You know,

1:51:33 Speaker 2: it's rare that a documentary really loves the needle in

1:51:36 Speaker 2: the popular culture. But there were some like bullying for Columbine,

1:51:40 Speaker 2: I think, and uh, you know Faarnheit and like there

1:51:43 Speaker 2: were some in the past and this could do the same.

1:51:46 Speaker 2: And I'm you know, I think we need more media.

1:51:49 Speaker 2: You know, I'm a big fan. I mean, it's that

1:51:51 Speaker 2: kind of silly. But you know, I've been watching The

1:51:53 Speaker 2: Resident Alien.

1:51:54 Speaker 1: Sh I literally just watched the last episode of season four.

1:52:00 Speaker 2: Are the only person the people who I like. I

1:52:02 Speaker 2: like the actor Alan whatever, the main act alien. The alien.

1:52:07 Speaker 3: So good.

1:52:08 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's super awesome. And then the sheriff is fun.

1:52:12 Speaker 2: And the other sheriff that have a female character. There's

1:52:14 Speaker 2: two people, they're all they're all cool. It's so much

1:52:17 Speaker 2: a fan and other great actors because they make me

1:52:19 Speaker 2: believe it, you know, but of some of the whininess

1:52:21 Speaker 2: on the show. But de bite that it's a wonderful

1:52:26 Speaker 2: show and it's fun, and so more media, you know,

1:52:29 Speaker 2: whether it's science fiction, more books and more science itself, right,

1:52:32 Speaker 2: and more consideration and more respect should be accorded. You

1:52:36 Speaker 2: can't just dismiss things. Not everybody could be telling a

1:52:39 Speaker 2: lie and creating confabulations. People might be mistaken. It's possible

1:52:44 Speaker 2: on things, but overall, I think the body of evidence

1:52:46 Speaker 2: says we should take this seriously. The problem is is

1:52:49 Speaker 2: we're stuck with the stigma, which has probably been engineered

1:52:53 Speaker 2: to a large extent. There's also most of us have

1:52:55 Speaker 2: not had personal experience with alien I never worry about

1:52:59 Speaker 2: being acted. I hope they do at some point take

1:53:02 Speaker 2: me because I can't stand all these people here, and

1:53:05 Speaker 2: everybody says, oh god, it could be terrible. It's like

1:53:07 Speaker 2: nothing could be worse than what I see with people.

1:53:10 Speaker 2: So I say the Bay basis like literal people's problems.

1:53:13 Speaker 2: So I'm very positive towards I personally. You know, if

1:53:17 Speaker 2: there is intelligent life and it's come to visit us,

1:53:20 Speaker 2: I do hope we you know, I don't know how

1:53:21 Speaker 2: they would communicate with us, because you know, it's hard

1:53:25 Speaker 2: to understand the mind of something else. But whatever it is,

1:53:29 Speaker 2: I think it's interesting and I think we should be

1:53:32 Speaker 2: positive towards it. And I'm not saying it's all good.

1:53:35 Speaker 2: I don't know. You know, they could come here and

1:53:37 Speaker 2: you know, want to turn us into a parking lot,

1:53:39 Speaker 2: like you know, Douglas Adams and the hitchhikers or whatever

1:53:43 Speaker 2: it was. I forget what it was, but you know,

1:53:44 Speaker 2: they could be wanting to do something weird. But I

1:53:47 Speaker 2: personally don't see it. I'm a fan of the optimism,

1:53:50 Speaker 2: and I think we can fix our political institutions. But

1:53:54 Speaker 2: the internal deceit and corruptions and coercion and all this

1:54:00 Speaker 2: garbage for such an abstract topic is bizarre to me.

1:54:04 Speaker 2: And we should just get to nuts and bolts, treat

1:54:06 Speaker 2: each other recently well, do things collaboratively. Maybe have that

1:54:09 Speaker 2: Constitutional Congress for some bill that could be presented. You know,

1:54:13 Speaker 2: there's also uh Sehn Munger, a lawyer. He had the

1:54:18 Speaker 2: oh gosh, the Registrate Registry Act, and I thought that

1:54:21 Speaker 2: was good. I'm open to that as an idea, but

1:54:23 Speaker 2: people have suppressed it, by the way. They've totally told

1:54:26 Speaker 2: you know, I'll just say people suppress it even you know,

1:54:30 Speaker 2: they try to you know, they just they can't can't

1:54:33 Speaker 2: help but but but want to please certain people or

1:54:36 Speaker 2: be afraid of certain people, and that's why that those

1:54:39 Speaker 2: other alternative voices get suppressed. It's disgusting. I find it

1:54:43 Speaker 2: reprehensible if so.

1:54:47 Speaker 1: Like what we'll end here. But and I really again,

1:54:50 Speaker 1: I thank you for time. And you know i'd love

1:54:53 Speaker 1: to have I'd fly Lou here to bost.

1:54:56 Speaker 2: Sorry, buddy, I you know you could. No, every everybody

1:55:00 Speaker 2: wants to go.

1:55:02 Speaker 1: Yeah, not asking you, I'm saying, unlike Congress, I would,

1:55:07 Speaker 1: I would pay for his expenses.

1:55:10 Speaker 3: So Lou, if you do see this, I'd love that.

1:55:12 Speaker 3: I don't.

1:55:12 Speaker 2: I don't think what's preventing him from going from Congress

1:55:14 Speaker 2: is you know a t I don't. I'm just saying,

1:55:18 Speaker 2: you know, and I appreciate you offering to to to

1:55:21 Speaker 2: host him. A very generous person with his time and and.

1:55:25 Speaker 3: Uh yeah, I really liked his UH.

1:55:29 Speaker 1: I think that's the last conversation I watched of his

1:55:31 Speaker 1: UH was when he did Chris Ramsey.

1:55:33 Speaker 3: I thought it was really well done and really really fun.

1:55:36 Speaker 1: But so if if if if there's a whistleblower out there,

1:55:40 Speaker 1: if there's someone who's worked in some sort of legacy

1:55:43 Speaker 1: program and they they want to be represented by someone

1:55:49 Speaker 1: who's going to have their best interest at heart. Uh

1:55:55 Speaker 1: would you be at there? You know, would you take

1:55:58 Speaker 1: their case? Would you take them on?

1:56:01 Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know, because I would have to

1:56:03 Speaker 2: evaluate it. You know, I only have so much time.

1:56:05 Speaker 2: But not just that, you know, you have to have both,

1:56:10 Speaker 2: you know. I believe in disclosure as a whole, and

1:56:14 Speaker 2: so I do think that anybody, you know, I'd have

1:56:17 Speaker 2: to find somebody whose interest is obviously towards disclosure. That said,

1:56:20 Speaker 2: I would imagine that I would also want people who

1:56:24 Speaker 2: have a respect for any security that might be associated,

1:56:28 Speaker 2: you know. I mean, if you want to run to

1:56:30 Speaker 2: you know, Russia and disclose there, I'm not going to

1:56:33 Speaker 2: help you commit any kind of crime, and you know,

1:56:36 Speaker 2: and I'm going to protect you and your personal issue

1:56:39 Speaker 2: interest rather. But yes, I mean, if people feel that

1:56:42 Speaker 2: they need legal representation, whether for myself or certainly from

1:56:45 Speaker 2: other people, go get it. And you know, and if

1:56:49 Speaker 2: you think you can't afford it, well I am pro

1:56:50 Speaker 2: bono and always happy to do that kind of thing.

1:56:53 Speaker 2: And I've talked to many people in the community and

1:56:55 Speaker 2: not in often sometimes in you know, legal ways, sometimes not,

1:57:00 Speaker 2: but you know, I'm always happy to help. So, you know,

1:57:05 Speaker 2: for people who are who really feel they're in a bind,

1:57:09 Speaker 2: and I've talked to some and I've helped them as

1:57:11 Speaker 2: i can. I don't think the threat is from death threats.

1:57:16 Speaker 2: I don't think the threat is from legal prescriptions. Although

1:57:20 Speaker 2: those with commitments to the government should take them seriously,

1:57:23 Speaker 2: because like you should take any promise seriously. You know,

1:57:26 Speaker 2: even if you disagree with it, you have to take

1:57:29 Speaker 2: it seriously, and then you deal with it through the

1:57:31 Speaker 2: proper channels, and then you attend to things. This is

1:57:33 Speaker 2: the way a system is designed to work. Going around

1:57:36 Speaker 2: the system to fix it breaks the system. It is

1:57:39 Speaker 2: the problem. So unfortunately, Congress right now is the red block.

1:57:42 Speaker 2: It's part of the system that has inhibited this or

1:57:46 Speaker 2: at least not taking it as seriously as it could.

1:57:47 Speaker 2: But you can see why. So as long as you're

1:57:50 Speaker 2: coming in good faith and you want to do something positive,

1:57:53 Speaker 2: and you really have a legal issue, and you can

1:57:57 Speaker 2: tolerate the fact that you know, I'm not everybody's cup

1:58:01 Speaker 2: of tea over my client. I'm going to go and

1:58:03 Speaker 2: help you up to what you want. But once it

1:58:08 Speaker 2: crosses a line. I do take this as you know,

1:58:12 Speaker 2: I take my role as a lawyer seriously. I'm not

1:58:14 Speaker 2: a public spokesperson. I don't speak for Loue Alizondo. I

1:58:17 Speaker 2: don't necessarily agree with him on everything under the sun.

1:58:20 Speaker 2: He likes one things I like different. You know, he's

1:58:23 Speaker 2: a good person. I don't want. I am not. I

1:58:25 Speaker 2: am not a puppet or a spokesperson, and I don't

1:58:29 Speaker 2: care to be associated with people because they're UFO glitterati.

1:58:34 Speaker 2: I just don't give a damn about that. So I'm

1:58:37 Speaker 2: here to do legal work when and where necessary in

1:58:41 Speaker 2: limited moments, and you know, that's it. So, you know,

1:58:45 Speaker 2: unfortunately I've been called back up. I feel like you

1:58:48 Speaker 2: know the movies where you know the ex soldier you know,

1:58:52 Speaker 2: is like in a cabin in the woods, and then

1:58:54 Speaker 2: all of a sudden the car drives up and it's

1:58:56 Speaker 2: like you got to come back, you know, Zach, and

1:59:00 Speaker 2: you know, help with this nonsense. I'm like, how did

1:59:04 Speaker 2: this even happen? So fucking crazy, you know.

1:59:08 Speaker 3: How did I end up here?

1:59:10 Speaker 2: How did I end up back? Looking? Hear the people

1:59:12 Speaker 2: you know, like you guys are insane and and it's

1:59:16 Speaker 2: just such a but it does explain the state of

1:59:19 Speaker 2: our country almost in some respects if we can't with

1:59:21 Speaker 2: such a weird issue, frankly, for the average person proceed

1:59:25 Speaker 2: in a thoughtful, kind, deliberative, open, positive way and instead

1:59:32 Speaker 2: choose and again, you know, I'm not gonna be that way.

1:59:35 Speaker 2: If you know, if they're not gonna be that way,

1:59:38 Speaker 2: they're gonna get mean Ivan. And now they're getting mean

1:59:43 Speaker 2: Ivan and it's not gonna it's not gonna be nice.

1:59:46 Speaker 1: Uh oh so yeah, so I uh wow, this was

1:59:49 Speaker 1: This was a very very, very fun conversation.

1:59:52 Speaker 3: I really want to say thank you for doing it.

1:59:54 Speaker 3: Thank you for clearing up some of that stuff. I'd

1:59:57 Speaker 3: love to love to talk in.

1:59:59 Speaker 1: The future about, you know, some geo more maybe more

2:00:02 Speaker 1: geopolitical stuff.

2:00:03 Speaker 3: And sure I broaden our horizon here.

2:00:06 Speaker 1: Sure you know where where could people find uh what

2:00:09 Speaker 1: the what the latest is on on Ivan?

2:00:12 Speaker 2: And look, I'm always I'm on Twitter and I even

2:00:16 Speaker 2: handled ESQ. Some lunatics I don't know who they were,

2:00:19 Speaker 2: took my old one, which is I've an underscore handle.

2:00:22 Speaker 2: I don't care though, I mean, you know, if this

2:00:23 Speaker 2: one goes down, I'll do another one. It's like this.

2:00:26 Speaker 2: You know, I don't know who took it down. I

2:00:28 Speaker 2: don't really care. I'll just start a new one.

2:00:30 Speaker 1: You know.

2:00:31 Speaker 2: I tweet a lot about different thoughts, and sometimes they're

2:00:34 Speaker 2: funny and sometimes they're silly, and sometimes they're about law,

2:00:36 Speaker 2: and sometimes they're about this stupidity. But no, I really

2:00:40 Speaker 2: just leave you. I'll please you. Also, you know, I

2:00:42 Speaker 2: have an email I even handle e s Q at

2:00:46 Speaker 2: proton dot emmy or whatever that you can reach me

2:00:48 Speaker 2: out if you have a real thing. But please don't

2:00:50 Speaker 2: email me like is there an apocalypse and pending? You know,

2:00:54 Speaker 2: are you a lizard? You morons? I don't have time

2:00:58 Speaker 2: for that, you dummies.

2:00:59 Speaker 3: And if I was a lizard, I'm not going to

2:01:01 Speaker 3: tell you on it evil.

2:01:03 Speaker 2: Oh no, no, no, I'm like, oh no, I would definitely

2:01:05 Speaker 2: tell you. I would definitely tell you because I'm very

2:01:09 Speaker 2: direct and transparent. Maybe you know, at fifty four, I'm

2:01:12 Speaker 2: not here. I'm not pining to be somebody else. I

2:01:17 Speaker 2: am who I am, flaws, good things, bad things, and

2:01:22 Speaker 2: so you get what you get. And yeah, you know,

2:01:25 Speaker 2: so you can reach out to me. And you know,

2:01:27 Speaker 2: I tweet about people, people say things. Please what one

2:01:30 Speaker 2: thing that's annoying for the ex people, Twitter people, whatever

2:01:32 Speaker 2: you call because when you just say something stupid like

2:01:35 Speaker 2: short and stupid like Lou suck. So I hate them.

2:01:38 Speaker 2: It's like, this is not your personal therapy session, you morons,

2:01:42 Speaker 2: like you know, I'm not your I'm not your therapist.

2:01:44 Speaker 2: I don't want to hear what you think of Lou,

2:01:46 Speaker 2: what you think of this, what you think of me,

2:01:49 Speaker 2: Like it's annoying. I just have to then, do you know.

2:01:51 Speaker 2: I just look past it. And I don't block people

2:01:53 Speaker 2: usually unless they start dominating the conversation in an appropriate way.

2:01:57 Speaker 2: But I'll block people if I have to do. I

2:01:59 Speaker 2: just don't like to. It's not my principle. I have

2:02:01 Speaker 2: a principle of open discussion, just like I'm doing here

2:02:04 Speaker 2: when other people would not. But but you know, so,

2:02:09 Speaker 2: so talk to me if you want, if you have

2:02:10 Speaker 2: something interesting. I don't have the time to look at everything,

2:02:12 Speaker 2: but I will say, you know, I found interesting things,

2:02:14 Speaker 2: interesting articles, videos, nice people, nice comments. There was great

2:02:17 Speaker 2: people in the community. And I really hope the scientific

2:02:19 Speaker 2: types still continue despite the consternations of this to to

2:02:24 Speaker 2: to do their best. So I hope the science goes on.

2:02:27 Speaker 2: I hope we can reframe the politics to one of

2:02:30 Speaker 2: coordination decency. I don't believe it's likely. Frankly, knowing the players,

2:02:36 Speaker 2: knowing the knowing the politicians, at least some of them.

2:02:42 Speaker 2: I think we're And the sad part is, honestly, by

2:02:44 Speaker 2: having you know, not done the right thing for lou

2:02:48 Speaker 2: and you know him sort of going off into the wilderness.

2:02:52 Speaker 2: You know it gonna have it's gonna be tougher than

2:02:54 Speaker 2: it would before. He's a great voice for the community,

2:02:58 Speaker 2: for the public at least. Granted, you get things wrong,

2:03:02 Speaker 2: yes so do I, so do we all. But but

2:03:05 Speaker 2: he brought attention to an issue that took seven years

2:03:08 Speaker 2: to get to Congress. And unfortunately he's not had you know,

2:03:11 Speaker 2: much of you know, other other people, and there really

2:03:15 Speaker 2: disturbing and strange ways and one a couple of one

2:03:18 Speaker 2: of the last points, I'll go find people a decent character,

2:03:22 Speaker 2: and it's not just their public character. What you hear,

2:03:26 Speaker 2: you know, what you actually know. If you know I've

2:03:28 Speaker 2: had personal experiences with people. I don't base this on supposition.

2:03:32 Speaker 2: I've had personal experiences. So what I'm saying I don't

2:03:35 Speaker 2: like somebody, it's probably a damn good personal reason. For it.

2:03:39 Speaker 1: Bear that in mind, right right, Yeah, no, as as

2:03:43 Speaker 1: I would expect. You know, I really really want to

2:03:47 Speaker 1: say thank you again for doing this, like.

2:03:49 Speaker 2: Thank you so much. Appreciate it, have your audience, have

2:03:52 Speaker 2: a great weekend with the left of it. For me,

2:03:54 Speaker 2: it's probably just work, but I appreciate you all. And

2:03:58 Speaker 2: you know, please please do good in your world, whether

2:04:00 Speaker 2: the el enter here or not. You know, whether it's

2:04:02 Speaker 2: taking your kids out, watching a great movie, treating yourself

2:04:04 Speaker 2: to something and taking a walk, doing the thing you

2:04:06 Speaker 2: were supposed to do, reading something new.

2:04:09 Speaker 1: Just don't sit on X all day in spaces and

2:04:12 Speaker 1: talk about It's.

2:04:13 Speaker 2: Hard not to get it's hard not to get into

2:04:15 Speaker 2: it and be you know, oh god, this person bad

2:04:16 Speaker 2: and these perp. But I talked to most I talk

2:04:18 Speaker 2: to most people. Most people, even the bad people in

2:04:20 Speaker 2: the community, the evildoers, I'll still talk to them sometimes

2:04:23 Speaker 2: to hear their thinking. And you know, I say, look,

2:04:25 Speaker 2: I'm just extraordinarily transparent. And people don't like that because

2:04:29 Speaker 2: they want to be all secret inside guru people. And

2:04:35 Speaker 2: you can just go fuck off.

2:04:37 Speaker 1: You know.

2:04:37 Speaker 3: Everyone wants to be the quarterback.

2:04:39 Speaker 2: And I'm not. I'm not interested in being a quarterback.

2:04:42 Speaker 2: I'm not even necessarily interested in being on the team.

2:04:45 Speaker 2: I'm interested in doing good work, and I wish everybody

2:04:47 Speaker 2: luck in this journey towards whatever is up there here

2:04:50 Speaker 2: in the spaces, in the interdimensional spaces of Luna's head.

2:04:56 Speaker 3: One last one. I love it. I love it.

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