MARIO WOODS: The Nuclear Base Security Policeman Abducted By Non Human Intelligence- SPECIAL PRESENTATION

0:00 Speaker 1: And as we turned left on the not a hard lift,

0:03 Speaker 1: just a dog leg left. There sat this object on

0:07 Speaker 1: top of November five that was about ten feet in

0:10 Speaker 1: the air, directly on top of that blast door. That

0:14 Speaker 1: was the size of a Walmart building. It was huge

0:17 Speaker 1: and it was a sphere.

0:19 Speaker 2: I sat down with Mario Woods, a former US Air

0:22 Speaker 2: Force security responder. In nineteen seventy seven, he was stationed

0:27 Speaker 2: at Ellsworth Air Force Base in South Dakota. Then age

0:31 Speaker 2: twenty three, he experienced an incident that would change him forever,

0:36 Speaker 2: literally leaving him with missing time marks on his body

0:40 Speaker 2: and a colleague locked in catatonic shock for.

0:43 Speaker 1: Hours, literally could not get a breath of air. It

0:47 Speaker 1: was just all encompassing me.

0:50 Speaker 2: So here it is my full interview with Mario Woods.

0:57 Speaker 3: So who are you?

0:59 Speaker 1: Oh? My name is Mario Woods. I currently live in

1:03 Speaker 1: Southeast Georgia. I'm sixty nine years old. I served in

1:07 Speaker 1: the Air Force from nineteen seventy five to nineteen eighty three,

1:11 Speaker 1: and in nineteen seventy seven had quite the experience on

1:14 Speaker 1: November five, Mississi, which was a minute man two one

1:17 Speaker 1: point two mega ton weapon in the ground in a

1:22 Speaker 1: harden structure in a silo just north of a small

1:26 Speaker 1: town named Newell, South Dakota, which is thirty miles north

1:32 Speaker 1: of Sturgis, which most people have heard before. And this

1:36 Speaker 1: is a high plains area of buffalo running terrain. Seen

1:39 Speaker 1: them a few times also, But one o'clock in the

1:45 Speaker 1: morning changed my life that week of November we say

1:50 Speaker 1: eighteenth in nineteen seventy.

1:52 Speaker 3: Seven, and you were stationed at Ellsworth.

1:55 Speaker 1: At Ellsworth Air Force Base, that's correct.

1:57 Speaker 3: And what was your role there? What were you doing?

2:00 Speaker 1: Security police assigned to the missile squadron. You have about

2:05 Speaker 1: eight hundred security police officers that work work the site

2:08 Speaker 1: and about one third or assigned to aircraft back at

2:14 Speaker 1: the main support base of Ellsworth, the actual air force base.

2:17 Speaker 1: All the missile sites themselves are manned by six man

2:20 Speaker 1: teams and there are one hundred and fifty men of

2:23 Speaker 1: man two missiles with fifteen launch control facilities. Is where

2:28 Speaker 1: you live and you act as a response team while

2:32 Speaker 1: on duty on a twelve hour shift to respond to

2:36 Speaker 1: any and all given alarms or launch facility checks or

2:39 Speaker 1: anything that an ordinary police type duty would be.

2:43 Speaker 3: Not for our sake, but for the context of the audience.

2:47 Speaker 3: Do you have any mental health history prior to your

2:50 Speaker 3: siting in nineteen seventy seven year experience. In nineteen seventy.

2:53 Speaker 1: Seven, No, I do not. I was part of the

2:55 Speaker 1: Personal Reliability program. Also for sensitive nuclear equipment.

3:00 Speaker 3: Can you explain what that is?

3:01 Speaker 1: Yeah, anyone that works around any type of nuclear devices, weaponry,

3:06 Speaker 1: or construction of or the storage of nuclear components whatever

3:13 Speaker 1: it may be, plutonium, uranium, or anything that's used in

3:17 Speaker 1: the h in that particular field. You have to be

3:20 Speaker 1: cleared and granted a clearance in order to do it.

3:24 Speaker 1: If they detect anything that's abnormal with how you may

3:27 Speaker 1: react up to an including taking life if you have to,

3:31 Speaker 1: and you know, in preservation of keeping that hours or

3:36 Speaker 1: saving someone's life. I mean, they really analyze you deeply

3:39 Speaker 1: to see if you know you can't do that, and you.

3:42 Speaker 3: Have to report if you're taking any sort of medication.

3:45 Speaker 1: Oh, they know, yes, any sort of yes.

3:48 Speaker 3: Diagnoses in the past dealing with mental health.

3:50 Speaker 1: Correct. They do random blood tests, your analysis everything. We

3:56 Speaker 1: didn't have gum swaves back then or you know, the

3:59 Speaker 1: tests were quite different back in that day. But that

4:01 Speaker 1: was really there. There was no leniency in that.

4:06 Speaker 3: Okay, so you're in Ellsworth Air Force Base. It's in

4:10 Speaker 3: nineteen seventy seven. You have a partner that you're working with.

4:12 Speaker 1: Yeah, that name, yeah, Michael Johnson. He's a real light

4:15 Speaker 1: skinned black guy. He told me he was from Chicago, Illinois,

4:19 Speaker 1: and we only worked together that one day. He was

4:21 Speaker 1: working vacation really from my partner, whose name was Steve Welchell,

4:25 Speaker 1: who went to North Carolina to get married. So he

4:27 Speaker 1: had thirty days and wish to do that. So in

4:30 Speaker 1: the interim while we went on a tour into the field.

4:33 Speaker 1: Remind you your main base is Ellsworth and you report

4:36 Speaker 1: there are SATAFF for our operations facility is at Ellsworth

4:41 Speaker 1: and all the different all the three squadrons meet there

4:44 Speaker 1: for this huge guard mount as we are. You know,

4:47 Speaker 1: we depart from there on buses or helicopters if the

4:50 Speaker 1: weather's too bad and they can't travel on the road,

4:53 Speaker 1: and we go out to our respective launch control facilities

4:55 Speaker 1: where we live for three days at a time and

4:58 Speaker 1: come in the morning of the fourth day.

5:00 Speaker 3: So set the scene for the night in question.

5:03 Speaker 1: What are you doing? Really nothing. We had gotten out

5:06 Speaker 1: there probably about nine thirty ten o'clock in the morning.

5:10 Speaker 1: Usually if you're working the night shift which we were

5:13 Speaker 1: assigned to, which was six pm to six am. We

5:16 Speaker 1: try to lay down and take a nap, but you

5:19 Speaker 1: know that young and strong and vibrant, I didn't really

5:22 Speaker 1: see the need to do that. So during the day

5:26 Speaker 1: I just stayed up and did some other things, played

5:28 Speaker 1: some ping pong or something, and that night we went

5:31 Speaker 1: on due to at six pm, of course, we go

5:34 Speaker 1: in and we get all of our code tables issued

5:36 Speaker 1: to us and all that stuff. Or when we're dispatched,

5:39 Speaker 1: it can be either or. And I guess it was

5:44 Speaker 1: about nine o'clock, nine to fifteen or so, and I

5:49 Speaker 1: smoked cigarettes then, so I just thought i'd walk outside

5:52 Speaker 1: and have a cigarette. And it was between nine and

5:54 Speaker 1: thirteen degrees outside, so I have my long Johns on

5:58 Speaker 1: over my fatigues, and I just walked outside, and you know,

6:01 Speaker 1: you're talking prairie land as far as you can see

6:03 Speaker 1: north and east and west, and you don't see south

6:06 Speaker 1: because the building's behind you. And I see this light

6:10 Speaker 1: off to my east at about a thirty degree angle,

6:14 Speaker 1: and it looks like like a mini moon. I honestly

6:21 Speaker 1: thought it was it was the landing lights or some

6:25 Speaker 1: type of landing lights for a B fifty two bombers

6:28 Speaker 1: because the main base supported aircraft uploaded aircraft of B

6:34 Speaker 1: fifty twos, and they often flew sorties or tests runs

6:40 Speaker 1: across the prairies at night, usually at around three hundred feet,

6:45 Speaker 1: so it was like a low level flight, right. It

6:47 Speaker 1: was pretty cool to see that. That's what I thought

6:51 Speaker 1: it was. I thought they were coming to me. That's

6:53 Speaker 1: why I couldn't really gauge the distance. I mean, I

6:56 Speaker 1: thought five to seven miles, and I'll stick with that

7:00 Speaker 1: at about thirty degrees, but that it never changed, and

7:04 Speaker 1: I kept looking at it. Looking at it. Now, if

7:06 Speaker 1: I extended my hand this way, it covered the circumference

7:11 Speaker 1: of the of the lights. I was the light I

7:13 Speaker 1: was looking at.

7:14 Speaker 3: So how far away was the object?

7:16 Speaker 1: I would guess five to seven miles. And the reason

7:20 Speaker 1: I say that is at the end of this I

7:22 Speaker 1: can make that correlation because you got to have things

7:26 Speaker 1: that you know that put all this together. And it

7:30 Speaker 1: was just so strange. It was as if there was

7:33 Speaker 1: a light right out there, a few miles away from you,

7:36 Speaker 1: and you know it doesn't belong there, but it's not

7:39 Speaker 1: coming near you, and it's not going in either direction

7:41 Speaker 1: anywhere else, and there's no noise associated with it, just

7:44 Speaker 1: sits there. So that's where I was with that, and

7:48 Speaker 1: I'm smoking this cigarette, and I thought, what, Literally, I thought,

7:51 Speaker 1: what the hell is that? It can't be Is that

7:54 Speaker 1: be fifty two's or is it helicopters. We did have

7:56 Speaker 1: helicopters back then, but I never saw them fly at

7:59 Speaker 1: night like that. And so again I just thought it

8:04 Speaker 1: was two B fifty two bombers together so close, you know,

8:07 Speaker 1: one behind and a wingman like you know, like that

8:10 Speaker 1: that I just took it as that. But I held

8:12 Speaker 1: my hand out like this and it covered the light

8:14 Speaker 1: the circumference of the light. But if I did my

8:17 Speaker 1: fist like this, then it was larger than my fist was.

8:20 Speaker 1: And I thought, that is really strange. How can that be.

8:24 Speaker 1: When I sailed with my father growing up, I went

8:27 Speaker 1: to see with him a couple of times during the summertime.

8:29 Speaker 1: He could do that. You can't do that today, but

8:31 Speaker 1: back then, you know, a chief engineer could do that.

8:36 Speaker 1: I went inside the facility, went into the flight Security

8:39 Speaker 1: controller office, which was just right to the right as

8:42 Speaker 1: you opened the front door, and Bill Holloman, he was

8:45 Speaker 1: a established sergeant. He was talking to his wife back

8:48 Speaker 1: at Ellsworth, and the toggle switch or the rocker switch

8:53 Speaker 1: was on the wall just behind him, right next to

8:55 Speaker 1: the entrance to the elevator door where the officers used

8:58 Speaker 1: to go down the elevator to the caps. And I said, hey, Bill,

9:01 Speaker 1: I said, there's something out here, strange in the air.

9:03 Speaker 1: I said, some lights. I said, do you mind if

9:05 Speaker 1: I flipped my lights? Flip the lights at this thing?

9:09 Speaker 1: And he just looked up at me, literally, and he

9:11 Speaker 1: had that big old gray phone back to his head

9:14 Speaker 1: and he just kind of waved me off, you know, like,

9:15 Speaker 1: go ahead, do what you want to. So I just, honestly,

9:17 Speaker 1: no sos or nothing. I just flipped it off and

9:20 Speaker 1: on off and on off and on three times. And

9:25 Speaker 1: I ran back outside and I was probably twenty twive

9:28 Speaker 1: twenty twenty five feet away from the door and just

9:31 Speaker 1: a little bit to the east of it, of the door,

9:33 Speaker 1: of the front of the door, and just watching it.

9:37 Speaker 1: A couple of minutes went by, maybe a minute and

9:40 Speaker 1: a half, and all of a sudden, this thing goes

9:42 Speaker 1: out on out, on out and on, and it just

9:48 Speaker 1: sent shivers up me and I went, wow, they do

9:51 Speaker 1: see me. So I literally thought it okay, because I've

9:54 Speaker 1: had them do wing waves at me before, like fighter

9:56 Speaker 1: aircraft or helicobra's elf do a little swing like that

9:59 Speaker 1: up there, so you want to go. And as security

10:01 Speaker 1: policemen you're taught that. You are taught hand signals and

10:04 Speaker 1: flashlight signals, you know, for aircraft if you need to

10:06 Speaker 1: be rescued or you're trying to aid them getting to

10:09 Speaker 1: the ground or what have you. You know you are

10:11 Speaker 1: trained on that. So I just thought it was really cool.

10:14 Speaker 1: I thought, all right, well let's carry this on a

10:16 Speaker 1: little bit further because still it was in the same location,

10:20 Speaker 1: not coming closer, no sound. So as I went in,

10:24 Speaker 1: I said, hey, Michael. Didn't know Michael from Adam's house, Kent.

10:28 Speaker 1: It's the first time we ever worked together. And he

10:30 Speaker 1: was just simply come out, sent out to work vacationally

10:35 Speaker 1: from my partner. So I went and I said, hey, man,

10:39 Speaker 1: there's something in the air you need to come and

10:40 Speaker 1: look at. And now he worked missiles also, but on

10:43 Speaker 1: a different flight. He was usually at a different location.

10:46 Speaker 1: He didn't work in November, and he outranged me by

10:48 Speaker 1: two months by the way, so he would be driving

10:51 Speaker 1: the vehicle and I would be the passenger or the

10:53 Speaker 1: team member. So he kind of looks at me for

10:57 Speaker 1: a minute and really is not too excited. I said,

10:59 Speaker 1: come on here, man, you got to see this, hoping

11:01 Speaker 1: it would still be there when I went outside. So

11:04 Speaker 1: he comes outside. I said, hold on right there. We

11:07 Speaker 1: walked about twenty twenty five feet and I said, look

11:09 Speaker 1: at that. You see that? He goes yeah. I said,

11:11 Speaker 1: I just flashed the lights at that thing, and it

11:13 Speaker 1: flashed back at me, and he just looked at me

11:15 Speaker 1: as in disbelief. So I said stay right here, and

11:18 Speaker 1: I ran a neuro fast and I said, hey, Bill,

11:21 Speaker 1: you got to come see this thing. Because he and

11:22 Speaker 1: I we went back aways and we knew each other

11:24 Speaker 1: pretty well, and I don't know what kind of discussion

11:27 Speaker 1: he was in with his wife, but he chose not

11:28 Speaker 1: to come out and stayed on that down phone. So

11:32 Speaker 1: I flipped the lights again, same sequence, bliplip blip blip

11:35 Speaker 1: blip blip, three of them three times, ran back outside

11:38 Speaker 1: about two minutes past, and it goes out, comes on,

11:42 Speaker 1: goes out, comes on, and stayed on twice three and two.

11:49 Speaker 1: That's right, And so he just kind of looked at

11:54 Speaker 1: me and looked back at that. I said, what do

11:56 Speaker 1: you think man? He goes man, I don't know, And

11:59 Speaker 1: I said, to do it again. I'm gonna do it again.

12:01 Speaker 1: Maybe it'll I said, do you hear anything? Couldn't hear nothing.

12:05 Speaker 1: He didn't hear anything. He didn't seem to be too impressed.

12:09 Speaker 1: I must say that. He just it didn't seem to

12:11 Speaker 1: really get a hold of him the way it did me.

12:12 Speaker 1: I was excited about it, still not knowing what it was.

12:16 Speaker 1: I said, I said, it's got to be be fifty

12:18 Speaker 1: two's no reply, So I ran back in again. I

12:22 Speaker 1: did the same thing. He stayed right there, flipped it off,

12:25 Speaker 1: flipped it off, with it off, lit on, ran back outside.

12:28 Speaker 1: I know Bill Hollman thought I was a nut by

12:30 Speaker 1: that time. So I get back out there, and it

12:33 Speaker 1: flipped off and it did not come back on. But

12:37 Speaker 1: when it did come on was about it was about

12:39 Speaker 1: thirty seconds or so. It had moved just a little

12:42 Speaker 1: bit north, but it had moved further westward, like from

12:47 Speaker 1: that position to this position, which made it look save

12:51 Speaker 1: from the say, from the three o'clock position where I

12:54 Speaker 1: was visualizing it seeing it maybe to the one thirty

12:58 Speaker 1: position something like that, and he came on and it

13:01 Speaker 1: just stayed right there. Never heard anything, never saw any

13:06 Speaker 1: type of flame or anything like an after burner or nothing.

13:09 Speaker 1: It didn't move. It just was right there. And he goes, hey, man,

13:13 Speaker 1: he just said, I don't know, And I said, what

13:16 Speaker 1: do you think it could be? Whatever? Whatever? And he

13:19 Speaker 1: walked back inside. So the last time I went in

13:23 Speaker 1: there and flipped the lights at the thing came back out,

13:25 Speaker 1: and then that would be the fourth time, and it

13:28 Speaker 1: was out and I didn't see it again. It was

13:31 Speaker 1: when I came back out, it was gone or it

13:33 Speaker 1: was out. So I just shook my head. I just

13:36 Speaker 1: took it as well. I guess they went that way,

13:39 Speaker 1: you know, maybe flying up toward or over toward Belfoush,

13:41 Speaker 1: which is about thirty miles away north and west of

13:45 Speaker 1: our location. More north of that's North Dakota, you know.

13:50 Speaker 1: So I mean we were in that proximity, in that

13:52 Speaker 1: high northwestern area there, And so I just went back inside.

13:56 Speaker 1: And I guess all this time from like a quarter

13:59 Speaker 1: after nine to about nine forties when all this transpired,

14:03 Speaker 1: you know, maybe nine thirty five. It's hard to be exact,

14:06 Speaker 1: but I try to be and I went in and

14:08 Speaker 1: started playing some cards, watching TV or something or he

14:12 Speaker 1: didn't want to do anything. As I said, we literally

14:15 Speaker 1: didn't know each other, and we didn't We spoke very little,

14:18 Speaker 1: and other than the fact that I knew, you know

14:20 Speaker 1: the area in November, you know that site and all

14:23 Speaker 1: the missile sites where they were located, which are ten

14:25 Speaker 1: of them, he was just there to fill in. So

14:32 Speaker 1: we watched TV until midnight and that signal comes on.

14:36 Speaker 1: It used to be looked like a radiological signal used

14:38 Speaker 1: to come on at twelve o'clock when on the three

14:41 Speaker 1: stations that we have would go off the air and

14:43 Speaker 1: then it would have that loud knowing you know that signal. Yeah,

14:48 Speaker 1: so that happened, So he just turned the TV off.

14:52 Speaker 1: Nation was a different place than believe me, was in

14:54 Speaker 1: a different place then, and I guess it was about

14:58 Speaker 1: twelve fifteen when as I was sitting down, I think

15:02 Speaker 1: I was looking at a book or something. I hear

15:04 Speaker 1: the alert phone in the flight security controller's office go off.

15:09 Speaker 1: And that's the phone that's directly connected to the launch

15:12 Speaker 1: control people downstairs, two officers downstairs, and it sounds like

15:18 Speaker 1: and it rings until you pick it up. You got

15:20 Speaker 1: to snatch it off the wall. And of course Bill

15:23 Speaker 1: Holloman did that, and I hear him saying, yes, sir, yes, sir, yes, sir,

15:27 Speaker 1: Sit four November five, which is a two pronged alarm.

15:31 Speaker 1: It's an above ground and a below ground sensor that

15:34 Speaker 1: has been affected. And as I said, the temperature was

15:36 Speaker 1: between nine and thirteen degrees that night, so it was cold.

15:39 Speaker 1: Sat on my long John's fatigue pants and shirt, you know,

15:43 Speaker 1: and my I had on bunny boots because I knew

15:47 Speaker 1: I was going to be doing some walking, because you

15:49 Speaker 1: have to do a certain certain type of route around

15:52 Speaker 1: the facility on foot inside and outside the fence line,

15:56 Speaker 1: which is a good walk and snow it gets kind

16:01 Speaker 1: of a little dicey CAUs it just does. But anyway,

16:05 Speaker 1: so we got all of our equipment. We had our weapons,

16:07 Speaker 1: we had our coat tables, we had our ditty bags,

16:10 Speaker 1: which is what you carry all your stuff in. And

16:12 Speaker 1: the F one fifty four pickup truck was sitting directly

16:15 Speaker 1: outside our front door. We keep it plugged in because

16:19 Speaker 1: it gets so cold there that it will freeze up

16:22 Speaker 1: the coolant in your engine. Or they also have a

16:25 Speaker 1: way of keeping the transmission warm with a plug in

16:29 Speaker 1: so unplugged that we were set to go, the vehicles

16:32 Speaker 1: warming up, and we got our safety briefing and everything

16:35 Speaker 1: that we needed, and off we went. And I'd say

16:38 Speaker 1: that was probably right around twelve, twenty twenty five, and

16:41 Speaker 1: it was a fifteen minute excuse me, travel time to

16:46 Speaker 1: November five. And strangely enough, that was the closest launch

16:50 Speaker 1: facility to our launch control facility where we lived. It

16:54 Speaker 1: was the closest one as the crow flies. It was

16:57 Speaker 1: only maybe five and a half miles away, but that

17:00 Speaker 1: you had to get there made it probably ten miles

17:04 Speaker 1: or eight and a half ten miles somewhere in there.

17:10 Speaker 1: So as we left, we go through the gate out

17:13 Speaker 1: to the end of These are all Clay roads. You

17:15 Speaker 1: can go from one end of the state on the

17:16 Speaker 1: other on the Clay Road and they're maintained by the state.

17:19 Speaker 1: They're very nice. Got to the intersection, hung the left.

17:23 Speaker 1: There's no traffic, believe me, there's no traffic. And next intersection,

17:28 Speaker 1: turn left and it's four and a half miles from

17:30 Speaker 1: that intersection up to Highway seventy nine which runs down

17:34 Speaker 1: to newle So you're going uphill as you go down

17:38 Speaker 1: in this little depression area. You're going uphill toward the

17:41 Speaker 1: highway bed. As they build them highs of snow and

17:43 Speaker 1: ice runs off of them. And I just happened to

17:46 Speaker 1: look to about my four o'clock position, straight that way

17:51 Speaker 1: where November five was located. And when I did, I see,

17:55 Speaker 1: I see this pulsation like an orange, yellow and white

18:00 Speaker 1: glow coming off the ground from miles away. Should never

18:03 Speaker 1: have never seen that before. And I said, hey, Michael,

18:07 Speaker 1: I said, check this out, man, I said, you see

18:09 Speaker 1: that glow over there? I said, look, look off, I said,

18:11 Speaker 1: can you see that? He didn't say anything yet. And

18:14 Speaker 1: as we got up to Highway seventy nine and we

18:17 Speaker 1: turned right, then we were on top of that plateau,

18:20 Speaker 1: and now that four o'clock has become like a one

18:23 Speaker 1: thirty again, and I said, look at that, man, I'm

18:26 Speaker 1: telling you that's that object. And why I said that,

18:28 Speaker 1: I don't know. He just said, whatever, man, And he

18:31 Speaker 1: said that to me a couple of times that night.

18:33 Speaker 1: Whatever man. So as we traversed down Highway seventy nine

18:39 Speaker 1: toward Newell to a stop sign. There's one stop sign

18:42 Speaker 1: and one stop light, and Newell and the population then

18:45 Speaker 1: was two hundred and thirty people in that town, and

18:48 Speaker 1: it was on the entrance and the exit on Highway

18:50 Speaker 1: seventy nine. Every time I entered Newell, population was two

18:53 Speaker 1: hundred and thirty. When I left, it was two hundred

18:55 Speaker 1: and thirty. So now it's six hundred and something. So

18:58 Speaker 1: I was there in twenty one. But as we went downhill,

19:03 Speaker 1: I lost sight of that, of that pulsating glow. We

19:06 Speaker 1: went down to the stop sign, we took a right,

19:10 Speaker 1: and the road goes out about a mile and a

19:11 Speaker 1: half and then a dog legs back to the left,

19:14 Speaker 1: and as we turned left on them, not a hard left,

19:18 Speaker 1: just a dog leg left. There sat this object on

19:22 Speaker 1: top of November five that was about ten feet in

19:25 Speaker 1: the air, directly on top of that blast door. That

19:28 Speaker 1: was the size of a Walmart building. This thing was

19:31 Speaker 1: as big as this building you're in right here. It

19:33 Speaker 1: was huge, and it was a sphere. It had an

19:37 Speaker 1: energy source that moved around it like like you'd see

19:42 Speaker 1: pictures of the sun. How it's just like boiling. I

19:45 Speaker 1: don't want to call it plasma, but I don't know

19:48 Speaker 1: what really to call it. But there were no tail sections,

19:51 Speaker 1: no portholes, there were no thrusters. There was no leading

19:56 Speaker 1: edges of any kind, wings tail, sex, nothing that we

20:00 Speaker 1: would associate anything in the air with. It was a

20:03 Speaker 1: complete sphere, but on a magnitude that is just hard

20:06 Speaker 1: to even comprehend.

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21:50 Speaker 1: So we pulled up to this thing about sixty feet

21:56 Speaker 1: on the access road to the side itself. Yeah he's

21:59 Speaker 1: you know. I think the fence was either ten or

22:00 Speaker 1: twelve foot fence with big opening gates on it. And

22:04 Speaker 1: we pulled up at a forty five degree angle right

22:06 Speaker 1: where the cattle crossing is located. Because all these ranchers

22:09 Speaker 1: owned this property and the property was leased from them

22:12 Speaker 1: to put these missile sites on back in the day

22:14 Speaker 1: when they built them, so the cattle can't come out

22:17 Speaker 1: into the main road. It still happens, but it really

22:20 Speaker 1: decreases that from occurring. So we pulled up right at

22:23 Speaker 1: that cattle gate, and immediately upon doing so, immediately upon

22:30 Speaker 1: doing so, it was as if a light came down

22:34 Speaker 1: that just blew my eyeballs out of my head. It

22:38 Speaker 1: just you could literally almost see the veins behind your eyelids.

22:43 Speaker 1: It was as if I don't know what kind of

22:48 Speaker 1: energy that was, but whatever was released or put down

22:52 Speaker 1: our way just completely almost disabled you just from the brightness.

22:57 Speaker 1: It was like living in a welder's light for a

22:59 Speaker 1: few moments, and then the atmosphere just vacated. Couldn't breathe

23:05 Speaker 1: literally could not get a breath of air. Now, I

23:07 Speaker 1: don't know if that was from my excitement. I don't

23:10 Speaker 1: know it's from adrenaline. I'm twenty three years old. I

23:13 Speaker 1: was in excellent shape. I could flat foot twenty five

23:17 Speaker 1: miles in full combat dress and smoke a cigarette at

23:21 Speaker 1: the end of it didn't bother me a bit. Literally,

23:22 Speaker 1: I was in that kind of shape. Wow, And I

23:26 Speaker 1: was just so taken Michael Johnson. I never remember him

23:30 Speaker 1: looking up at the thing, but for me, I was

23:33 Speaker 1: at a forty five degree angle and I'm looking directly

23:36 Speaker 1: out his window and part of the back window in

23:40 Speaker 1: the from this is an F one fifty four pickup truck,

23:44 Speaker 1: a nineteen seventy five or seventy six, I can't remember which,

23:47 Speaker 1: but the square body type pick a truck with the

23:50 Speaker 1: Western mirrors on the sides of him. Two will drive vehicles.

23:55 Speaker 1: And the only thing I knew to do was to

23:57 Speaker 1: ask for relief. And where did that come from? I

24:00 Speaker 1: have no idea where that where that thought or impulse

24:06 Speaker 1: came from.

24:07 Speaker 3: You pray to God or Jesus or just relief generically.

24:10 Speaker 1: I think he was in there and I just asked

24:12 Speaker 1: for relief from what I was experiencing to breathe because

24:16 Speaker 1: I didn't think I was going to be able to

24:18 Speaker 1: take another breath of air. And I grabbed my flashlight,

24:22 Speaker 1: which I've gotten ridicule before. It was like it was

24:25 Speaker 1: an aluminum black three D cel flashlight. Think it was

24:30 Speaker 1: made in Japan, I'm not sure, but it was a

24:32 Speaker 1: great tool and they just started making them. Now maglight

24:36 Speaker 1: didn't come out until seventy nine. I had this in

24:38 Speaker 1: seventy seven. It was given to me as a gift.

24:41 Speaker 1: And I rolled the window down and I reached up

24:50 Speaker 1: with my right hand and I grabbed onto that mirror

24:52 Speaker 1: pulled myself up on that window seal because I was

24:55 Speaker 1: so afraid to step out of the cab of that truck.

24:58 Speaker 1: Now I'm fully armed, what would I be afraid. I've

25:00 Speaker 1: never been afraid to do anything. I mean, especially in

25:04 Speaker 1: my duty. I was so afraid of what I was experiencing.

25:11 Speaker 1: I didn't know how to I know how to deal

25:12 Speaker 1: with it. I pulled myself up on the seat of

25:15 Speaker 1: that up on the window sill of that truck, out

25:17 Speaker 1: of that seat, and I grabbed my flashlight, and I

25:22 Speaker 1: had a glove on my left hand, and I had

25:25 Speaker 1: I had my flashlight on my right hand, and I

25:26 Speaker 1: had had my hand on the blue bubble up on

25:28 Speaker 1: top of the glove, and I just I just flashed

25:31 Speaker 1: that flashlight at this thing like I did at the facility.

25:36 Speaker 1: I guess, I don't really know. And as soon as

25:38 Speaker 1: I did, it felt that I got relief. It felt

25:42 Speaker 1: like there was relief, and I just slid back down

25:45 Speaker 1: in the seat and as I slid back down on

25:47 Speaker 1: the seat, I noticed all these I noticed dust particles

25:50 Speaker 1: and stuff that in a way in which that cab

25:52 Speaker 1: was lit up that it's hard to describe. It seemed

25:56 Speaker 1: like everything was in slow motion. Like the dust that

25:59 Speaker 1: was in that calve circulating from the vent work was

26:05 Speaker 1: like it was in slow motion movement. I was looking

26:08 Speaker 1: at it as like sparkles or something, or like glitter.

26:10 Speaker 1: It was like that, And I thought, what's happening here?

26:14 Speaker 1: What is this? And I was trying to breathe. I

26:18 Speaker 1: was trying to talk to Michael, got no answer from him,

26:22 Speaker 1: as he was just stuck or glued to that, to

26:25 Speaker 1: that steering wheel, and he was just bathed in a

26:27 Speaker 1: blue white light. You know. The light intensity never honestly

26:31 Speaker 1: went away. It was just it was just all encompassing.

26:35 Speaker 1: It was just it was just all surrounding to a

26:38 Speaker 1: point where you're like trapped in light. There's nowhere, there's

26:44 Speaker 1: nowhere to go. I mean, there's nothing you can do

26:46 Speaker 1: about it. You just I don't know. I just felt

26:49 Speaker 1: like somebody had me right where they wanted me for

26:51 Speaker 1: some reason. These thoughts and all this that I just

26:59 Speaker 1: described went by in just a couple of seconds, not minutes,

27:03 Speaker 1: but just a couple of seconds. All this just happened

27:06 Speaker 1: so fast, faster than what I've just told you. And

27:12 Speaker 1: then this black ball, about six times the size of

27:15 Speaker 1: a beach ball, looked like as if it had vents

27:18 Speaker 1: or something on it, not round vents, but these long,

27:22 Speaker 1: long like lines coming down the side of it. Just

27:27 Speaker 1: it didn't touch our truck, but it shot right down

27:30 Speaker 1: in front, over the hood of this F one fifty.

27:35 Speaker 1: And I don't even know what to say, but it

27:37 Speaker 1: was so fast and so whatever it was doing quick

27:42 Speaker 1: that it just bounced around from every location on the

27:45 Speaker 1: truck front, back, left, right, in front, and then it

27:49 Speaker 1: was just gone. I don't and I still don't know

27:54 Speaker 1: how much time has passed. Then I became afraid, and

28:01 Speaker 1: I made sure I rolled my window up. I put

28:05 Speaker 1: my AM sixteen when I came back, got it back

28:07 Speaker 1: in it. When I slid back into the truck, I

28:08 Speaker 1: put my AM sixteen between my legs and I was

28:11 Speaker 1: holding onto the barrel. I don't know where my flashlight went.

28:14 Speaker 1: I just knew to secure my weapon between my legs

28:16 Speaker 1: and I held onto the barrel. And this permeating smell

28:20 Speaker 1: I have no idea where it came from, because, as

28:22 Speaker 1: I said, my window was up, and I know his

28:23 Speaker 1: window was up, so it had to come through the

28:25 Speaker 1: ventilation duckwork, I guess. But it permeated the vehicle like

28:30 Speaker 1: I mean, stench, smell bad ammonia, like you want to

28:35 Speaker 1: roll the winds down, you want to step outside and

28:38 Speaker 1: get some fresh air. I mean, some of the cleanest

28:40 Speaker 1: air on the planet runs through South Dakota year round.

28:43 Speaker 1: But this was like standing in a in a I

28:49 Speaker 1: don't know, when a bottom of a boat or something,

28:53 Speaker 1: you know where they catch shrimp, I guess, and dump

28:57 Speaker 1: them there, but put them there. I shouldn't even say that,

28:59 Speaker 1: but anyway, it was overwhelming. And when I smell that,

29:04 Speaker 1: I just got a real strange feeling from within, like

29:10 Speaker 1: something when you're afraid or when you're scared or something.

29:14 Speaker 1: Because I knew that wasn't normal, and I know I'd

29:17 Speaker 1: never smelled that before. I only associated with what associated

29:21 Speaker 1: it with what I smelled in the past, trying to

29:23 Speaker 1: make a maybe a visualization in my mind what it

29:27 Speaker 1: could be. And the light never stopped. The pressure did.

29:35 Speaker 1: We could breathe again, or I could breathe again, Michael Johnson.

29:38 Speaker 1: He didn't. He never said anything from the time we

29:43 Speaker 1: rolled up to that site anything. The last thing he

29:46 Speaker 1: said to me was on the top of Highway seventy

29:48 Speaker 1: nine when whatever man as it was glowing over in

29:51 Speaker 1: the far distance that I saw this pulsation off the

29:55 Speaker 1: ground or what I took ass off the ground from

29:58 Speaker 1: where we were from driving there. And so when that happened,

30:06 Speaker 1: I felt as if I was becoming I was sleepy

30:12 Speaker 1: or tunnel visioned or something. I kept shaking my head

30:15 Speaker 1: as I relive it as we're sitting here right now,

30:17 Speaker 1: I kept trying to I felt as if I was

30:21 Speaker 1: going to go out. So I was trying to hold

30:23 Speaker 1: my breath and squeeze, you know, like pilots do that,

30:27 Speaker 1: you know in g suits to keep the blood in

30:30 Speaker 1: their head, right. But I felt as if I was

30:32 Speaker 1: going to pass out. And I started getting this tunnel

30:36 Speaker 1: vision effect in a way where I couldn't I couldn't see,

30:39 Speaker 1: and it was just getting smaller and smaller, and it

30:41 Speaker 1: was black on the exterior of that visual that I

30:44 Speaker 1: was looking out the front window. I mean, all these

30:47 Speaker 1: thoughts are running around in your brain and this is

30:50 Speaker 1: only take This has all taking place in just a

30:53 Speaker 1: couple of minutes, not ten minutes, not even five minutes,

30:56 Speaker 1: from what I understand. And as I'm blacking out, I know,

31:02 Speaker 1: I feel something on my right side, and I turned

31:06 Speaker 1: my head and I see these four I'm gonna call

31:10 Speaker 1: them beings, And they are not walking as you and

31:14 Speaker 1: I walk. They are just gliding across the ground, maybe

31:19 Speaker 1: I don't know how high off the ground. I couldn't

31:21 Speaker 1: really see that, But they have these little uniforms on

31:25 Speaker 1: and the one on the far right, he had some

31:28 Speaker 1: type of a small wand in his waistbelt. I've got

31:31 Speaker 1: a drawing of it that had a yellow tip on it,

31:35 Speaker 1: some type of a yellow tip, and it really got

31:38 Speaker 1: my attention, and I was and I just couldn't believe

31:43 Speaker 1: what I was seeing. But the one behind those three,

31:47 Speaker 1: the front three were the same size, exactly the same size,

31:51 Speaker 1: looked exactly the same. But the one behind him was

31:55 Speaker 1: a chest and a head taller than the little guys.

31:59 Speaker 1: And he and this thing on his chest right here

32:02 Speaker 1: that pulsated the same color as what was on that

32:05 Speaker 1: little wand. And when I saw him, and then I

32:09 Speaker 1: was afraid. Then I felt fear, maybe just visualized fear.

32:15 Speaker 1: I don't know. They didn't do anything to me that

32:18 Speaker 1: caused fear other than where I was and what I'd

32:20 Speaker 1: just gone through. And then I went black. I just

32:25 Speaker 1: I just went that's the last thing that I saw

32:26 Speaker 1: in my mind. And just a second went by, and

32:33 Speaker 1: literally I came. When I came to, my weapon was

32:36 Speaker 1: between my legs and I'm still holding on to it.

32:40 Speaker 1: And I just looked straight up like that and right

32:42 Speaker 1: out the windshield of that one fifty in his total blackness,

32:47 Speaker 1: and I thought, where where'd all the light go? Where's

32:51 Speaker 1: no Literally I didn't even know where I was. We were?

32:54 Speaker 1: I said, Michael, Michael, where are we happen? Where's November five?

32:59 Speaker 1: Because this it's lit up. It has lights on it,

33:02 Speaker 1: you know, they're like like pole lights. It has those

33:04 Speaker 1: type of lights on it at night. This is a

33:06 Speaker 1: standalone facility, so even if external power is cut, this

33:10 Speaker 1: thing takes over and has a generator run itself. Right.

33:14 Speaker 1: No answer from Michael, And I kept yelling at him, Michael, Michael,

33:18 Speaker 1: what's going on with you? Man? And I pushed him

33:20 Speaker 1: in his shoulder really hard. I put my finger in

33:23 Speaker 1: his ear. After a couple of minutes. I shoved him,

33:25 Speaker 1: shoved him, checked his pulse, he was breathing. I couldn't

33:31 Speaker 1: get anything out of him. He was as if he

33:33 Speaker 1: was in some type of a state which I didn't

33:35 Speaker 1: even really know to have the words for, as if

33:39 Speaker 1: his eyes were open and he was breathing and his

33:41 Speaker 1: heart was pumping. But he was just stuck on that

33:44 Speaker 1: steering wheel. And I tried, I don't know how many

33:47 Speaker 1: times to get him to say something. I said, snap

33:49 Speaker 1: out of it, man, what's going on? What's wrong? I

33:53 Speaker 1: got frustrated with that, and I just popped the door open,

33:56 Speaker 1: little lever on the side. I popped the door open,

33:59 Speaker 1: and I stepped out, trying to get in my mind

34:02 Speaker 1: where November five go, because that's where we were, I mean,

34:05 Speaker 1: and this was a this was a very serious alarm.

34:09 Speaker 1: So that reason had to be found out why that

34:14 Speaker 1: thing alarmed how it did in that alarm configuration. And

34:21 Speaker 1: when I stepped down, I stepped in mud with those

34:24 Speaker 1: money boots on, and I went, what the hell? How

34:27 Speaker 1: is this? And then to my right, where your chair

34:31 Speaker 1: is located, maybe a foot further, there was a wall

34:36 Speaker 1: there at about a forty five degree angle, and it

34:38 Speaker 1: was white, and it went up about I don't know

34:40 Speaker 1: as far as I could see, like fifty feet, when

34:41 Speaker 1: my eyes got more accustomed to the darkness. And then

34:45 Speaker 1: when I looked in both directions, not knowing exactly where

34:48 Speaker 1: I was on the compass, it was as far as

34:52 Speaker 1: I could see that direction, as far as I could

34:55 Speaker 1: see that direction, and of about fifty feet. When I

34:58 Speaker 1: become acclimated to the to the darkness, had no idea

35:02 Speaker 1: where this was. I said, Michael, come on, man, you

35:06 Speaker 1: gotta wake up. Dude. We're you know, we're in a

35:09 Speaker 1: bad way here. We got to find out what the

35:11 Speaker 1: hell's going on here? You know nothing, nothing. I even

35:16 Speaker 1: tried pulling his hand off that steering wheel, and he

35:18 Speaker 1: was just, he was just. I don't know how a

35:21 Speaker 1: person can stay that tense and for so long that

35:24 Speaker 1: he don't cramp up. I would cramp up doing that,

35:27 Speaker 1: but he did. The next thing that I knew was

35:32 Speaker 1: I hear WSCEED and November one. That's us WSC November one,

35:40 Speaker 1: watch your location, and I just I said, are you

35:43 Speaker 1: going to get that? Thinking that would snap him out

35:45 Speaker 1: of that. Hearing that radio signal a radio call for us,

35:50 Speaker 1: He didn't answer and I picked it up, and I said,

35:52 Speaker 1: Senior Eman Woods WSC. I said, uh, I don't know

35:58 Speaker 1: where we are, and he goes, do you need medical

36:01 Speaker 1: help or do you need assistance? And I said, I

36:05 Speaker 1: don't know, Sir. I said, I'm fine, but my partner

36:07 Speaker 1: won't respond to me. I said, he's awake, breathing and well,

36:10 Speaker 1: but he won't let go of the steering wheel and

36:12 Speaker 1: he's just sitting in a driver's seat just like he

36:14 Speaker 1: is stuck.

36:15 Speaker 3: He's just like in the frozen kids state.

36:18 Speaker 1: That's the word that I had never heard when it

36:20 Speaker 1: was told to me, catatonic state. And that's correct. He was.

36:24 Speaker 1: So when I finally got out of the vehicle again

36:30 Speaker 1: and walked and looked, and I'm thinking, where did all

36:32 Speaker 1: this mud come from with this temperature because everything else

36:35 Speaker 1: is frozen. As I said, that wall was at about

36:45 Speaker 1: fifty feet high and at this strange angle like forty

36:48 Speaker 1: five degrees. Well, it was the backside of the New

36:51 Speaker 1: Lake Reservoir dam, and that is about on the map,

36:56 Speaker 1: about eight miles eight and a half miles away from

37:00 Speaker 1: November five. Now, we only had two wheel drive vehicles,

37:04 Speaker 1: and where we were positioned behind that dam was in

37:08 Speaker 1: the very center of that damn wall a really at

37:14 Speaker 1: the most center point, and at the far end was

37:16 Speaker 1: the slew gate where they control the water flow and

37:19 Speaker 1: allow it text to go out if it gets at

37:21 Speaker 1: the reservoir gets too full. And in front of us

37:24 Speaker 1: was the rest of the dam, and that road ran

37:27 Speaker 1: north and south wing. Security control told me to maintain

37:36 Speaker 1: one minute security checks, so they were trying to triangulate

37:39 Speaker 1: our location. Now I'd never done that in tech school,

37:43 Speaker 1: but i'd heard of it. I may have read something

37:45 Speaker 1: about it, but i'd never done it or been part

37:47 Speaker 1: of that training, so I didn't know how it was done.

37:50 Speaker 1: So I did what they ask and I probably made it,

37:53 Speaker 1: probably made, I don't know. I probably made twenty twenty

37:56 Speaker 1: five checks before they got to us. And as I

38:01 Speaker 1: was doing that, I noticed it was getting light to

38:04 Speaker 1: the east and that was the sun coming up. And

38:07 Speaker 1: then it dawned on me. Well, man, we got this

38:11 Speaker 1: alarm last night at twelve fifteen, and I looked at

38:14 Speaker 1: my watch and it was after six am. So we

38:17 Speaker 1: have all that missing time. And I can't explain any

38:20 Speaker 1: of it because for me, it was just what I saw,

38:23 Speaker 1: what we experienced, what I smelled, lights out. Next thing

38:27 Speaker 1: I know, we're sitting behind the new Lake Reservoir dam

38:30 Speaker 1: miles away, miles away. The sergeant Garza it was there

38:37 Speaker 1: were three alert teams looking for So that's six security

38:41 Speaker 1: policemen from three different sites. Whether they use the primary

38:45 Speaker 1: or the backup alert teams, I'm not really sure. And

38:48 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one discovered that not only did they

38:51 Speaker 1: were they searching for US, but wing security control or

38:57 Speaker 1: base control or whoever. They were asked for a federal

39:01 Speaker 1: or state assistant. So they sent out two deputy officers

39:04 Speaker 1: from Sturgis and one state trooper that that area was

39:09 Speaker 1: his area. And I've got a guy that's named Steve

39:13 Speaker 1: that's working on as he is a state trooper today.

39:16 Speaker 1: Who that deputy was or who that state trooper was,

39:19 Speaker 1: it was on duty at that time. And two of

39:22 Speaker 1: the three are passed, but one named last named Kellogg

39:25 Speaker 1: is still alive and I'm trying to make contact with him.

39:29 Speaker 3: Did Michael Johnson ever make it out of his catatonic state,

39:31 Speaker 3: your partner.

39:33 Speaker 1: No, not while we were there. When sergeant guards have

39:36 Speaker 1: pulled up, he pulled up within say sixty feet, I

39:41 Speaker 1: guess he didn't want to get into the the snow

39:44 Speaker 1: area that we were in. He pulled up, and I

39:47 Speaker 1: walked around the back of the truck, walked out toward

39:49 Speaker 1: him and I said, I said, hey, certain guards, how's

39:52 Speaker 1: it going. I said, what's going on? He said, Mario,

39:55 Speaker 1: I can't talk to you about this. He said, I'm

39:57 Speaker 1: just here to escort you back to November Control. And

40:00 Speaker 1: I said, okay, but I need help with Michael Johnson.

40:03 Speaker 1: And he looked at me kind of strange. He said,

40:04 Speaker 1: what do you mean. I said, I can't get him

40:06 Speaker 1: off the steeringwheel, and he won't talk, He won't say anything. Well,

40:09 Speaker 1: you know, I've never dealt with anything like that, or

40:12 Speaker 1: anybody else has that. I know O where somebody's you know,

40:15 Speaker 1: locked up frozen in some type of a state of

40:18 Speaker 1: catatonic state, hanging on to something. You know, usually you

40:24 Speaker 1: can you know, I literally couldn't believe how hard it

40:27 Speaker 1: was to get that man's hands off that steering wheel.

40:29 Speaker 1: I couldn't believe it. So we unbelted him and did that,

40:32 Speaker 1: and we slid him across the driver's seat and into

40:35 Speaker 1: the passenger side, belted him back in. He just sat

40:38 Speaker 1: there with his hands down, looking forward and I kept

40:40 Speaker 1: talking to him, thinking at some point he would just

40:42 Speaker 1: feel fall free, you know, or whatever he was experiencing.

40:46 Speaker 1: But again, this was a two wheel drive vehicle, and

40:50 Speaker 1: walking around that vehicle, as I just described, on the

40:53 Speaker 1: left side or driver's side of that vehicle, about four

40:56 Speaker 1: and a half foot away from that door was a

41:00 Speaker 1: drop off that's there today, and that is the holding

41:03 Speaker 1: pond for anything that comes out of that dam. And

41:06 Speaker 1: it's pretty dead gum deep. So had we gone in there,

41:12 Speaker 1: driven in there, I'm just this is a what if. Now.

41:15 Speaker 1: Had we driven in there, that road's only five feet wide,

41:18 Speaker 1: there's no way that this too will drive F one

41:20 Speaker 1: P fifty Ford with road tires on it, not even

41:23 Speaker 1: any big mud tires or anything. Didn't even have those

41:26 Speaker 1: back then, would be able to turn around. We were

41:30 Speaker 1: just in the only position we could be in to

41:32 Speaker 1: drive out of that dead gum place. And I drove

41:35 Speaker 1: out of it, and I never went over any tracks,

41:37 Speaker 1: and it hadn't snowed anymore or anything that nothing had

41:41 Speaker 1: changed since since we were there. When I left out

41:44 Speaker 1: of there, it was the only set of tracks coming

41:47 Speaker 1: out of where we were, one set of tracks. But

41:51 Speaker 1: had he opened that door, and stepped out of that

41:52 Speaker 1: vehicle or I had you'd gone right down now, you know,

41:55 Speaker 1: it wouldn't have probably just slid down in mud, but it

41:58 Speaker 1: was down pretty deep, and it was just amazing to

42:01 Speaker 1: me how we were in the right position to exit there.

42:04 Speaker 1: That's important to me trying to explain it to myself

42:09 Speaker 1: how this took place. So followed them back to the

42:14 Speaker 1: launch control facility to November one. They escorted us all

42:18 Speaker 1: the way there and then two of the three teams

42:22 Speaker 1: dropped off, and I guess Garza or one of the

42:25 Speaker 1: teams remained. I guess they had to have when we

42:28 Speaker 1: were going to be removed from the site and taken

42:30 Speaker 1: back to the main base of Ellsworth, which is about

42:32 Speaker 1: fifty five miles away, And I didn't know that at

42:35 Speaker 1: the time. They had to have our replacements immediately there.

42:38 Speaker 1: That you can't be understaffed on any kind of launch

42:40 Speaker 1: control facility. It has to be fully staffed at all times.

42:47 Speaker 1: So when we pulled up at the site, my flight

42:49 Speaker 1: chief was there, mass re Start Hawkins or Master Sart

42:53 Speaker 1: and Joel Gray. Assistant flight chief was Tech Sargeant Hawkins,

42:57 Speaker 1: the facility manager. He was a tech sergeant now the

43:02 Speaker 1: two officers that were on duty, they were off duty

43:04 Speaker 1: now and they were above ground. They had been relieved.

43:07 Speaker 1: They were placed them Surro underground. Bill Holloman, the sight cook,

43:14 Speaker 1: and of course you had one of the one security

43:18 Speaker 1: response team that remained him and his partner. So they

43:22 Speaker 1: took me in the day room and I told when

43:24 Speaker 1: they came out to meet us, the gate slides open.

43:26 Speaker 1: I pulled in right in front of the flight security

43:29 Speaker 1: Controller's office and they just descended upon the vehicle. Well,

43:34 Speaker 1: we got our bags out and all that stuff, and

43:37 Speaker 1: they went to the pastor's sign and I said, I

43:39 Speaker 1: don't know what's wrong with Michael. I said, I can't

43:40 Speaker 1: get in to speak. And I said, we had a

43:42 Speaker 1: heck of a time getting them off this steering wheel.

43:45 Speaker 1: Nobody said anything at that point. They took him, put him,

43:48 Speaker 1: put his arms over their shoulders, and they took him

43:50 Speaker 1: to the back room. I think in the in the

43:53 Speaker 1: facility manager's quarters. I don't know what they did, but

43:56 Speaker 1: that's where they took him. They took me into the

43:59 Speaker 1: day room where I walked into the day room, and

44:02 Speaker 1: mind you, I had been up the entire day before

44:05 Speaker 1: five o'clock in the morning till we had guard mount traveled,

44:08 Speaker 1: you know, to get out there, then stayed up all day,

44:10 Speaker 1: went all night long until this happened. And so now

44:17 Speaker 1: it's probably somewhere around I'm going to say seven fifteen,

44:21 Speaker 1: seven thirty in the morning, and we had just departed

44:25 Speaker 1: New Lake Reservoir Dam and I had never been there before.

44:28 Speaker 1: I never I never knew that place was even there.

44:31 Speaker 1: And it's a little north of November Control and it's

44:36 Speaker 1: sitting back off the road about four and a half miles,

44:38 Speaker 1: so it sits way back up on the prairie, and

44:40 Speaker 1: I honestly had never been there before. No one knew

44:43 Speaker 1: about it, And so they started banging me with questions

44:48 Speaker 1: and what did you see? What did you do? You know,

44:52 Speaker 1: how did you do this? You communicated this, you didn't

44:56 Speaker 1: report this? You know what was wrong with the sight?

44:59 Speaker 1: Just all the these things were coming at me, and

45:00 Speaker 1: I was answering every single one of them, and they

45:02 Speaker 1: believe me, there was a bunch of questions. You just

45:05 Speaker 1: don't go missing on a nuclear missile site for five

45:12 Speaker 1: hours and not answer questions. It's a big deal.

45:15 Speaker 3: Did you get the sense when they were asking you

45:17 Speaker 3: questions that they had seen things like this before, or

45:21 Speaker 3: like it was this completely novel thing where it's like,

45:25 Speaker 3: what the hell happened here? We have no idea, like

45:27 Speaker 3: we have no idea how to even we have no

45:28 Speaker 3: pattern recognition for this.

45:31 Speaker 1: Well, there were rumors years before I got there that

45:33 Speaker 1: something happened down toward the bad Lands in the sixty

45:36 Speaker 1: sixth area and where two security policemen were found out

45:42 Speaker 1: of their vehicle. The vehicle was some distance away from them,

45:46 Speaker 1: their weapons were distanced from them in an open a prairie,

45:50 Speaker 1: and they one was found completely with no clothes on

45:53 Speaker 1: and the other was just about like ninety percent unclothed.

45:58 Speaker 1: And I don't know what happened that, but there were

46:00 Speaker 1: always talks and rumors about things in the air or

46:04 Speaker 1: things on the back of the runway at Ellsworth. You

46:07 Speaker 1: know B fifty two's uploaded bombers that are ready to

46:10 Speaker 1: go uploaded on the alert pad, and what are the

46:15 Speaker 1: U F eighty six is at one point or a

46:17 Speaker 1: couple of times to chase these objects away. And I

46:21 Speaker 1: think there's several reports of that. One of the guys

46:24 Speaker 1: that I know who's in the S sixteen pilot, Chris Leato,

46:28 Speaker 1: we were talking about We were talking about that one time.

46:32 Speaker 1: But anyway, they questioned me up one side and down

46:36 Speaker 1: the other. And I remember telling Master Start and Gray,

46:42 Speaker 1: I said I can draw some things if you'd like

46:44 Speaker 1: me to, and that the question never really got I

46:49 Speaker 1: don't know if it didn't get to him or answered

46:51 Speaker 1: to or what happened, But they just kept asking questions,

46:55 Speaker 1: and I got to the point where it was just

46:57 Speaker 1: everything was just at one time coming from space in

47:01 Speaker 1: my mind, questions about the whole deal. And I said, hey,

47:04 Speaker 1: I said, I got to go to the restroom just

47:07 Speaker 1: to get away from it for ten seconds. I just

47:09 Speaker 1: wanted a little bit of peace, just for a few

47:11 Speaker 1: seconds of trying to cope with what I had just seen,

47:16 Speaker 1: lived through and experienced. There's nothing I ever had before.

47:22 Speaker 1: And I went to the restroom and I opened up

47:24 Speaker 1: the stall door, which is still there today. I went

47:27 Speaker 1: right back to it in twenty one and I just

47:30 Speaker 1: went and sat on the toilet and closed the door.

47:34 Speaker 1: And you know, as a regular stall, the doors about

47:36 Speaker 1: that high up off the floor blew. And these these

47:39 Speaker 1: facilities were extremely nice. I mean you could they were not.

47:45 Speaker 1: They were very well maintained and extremely nice and I

47:48 Speaker 1: was just sitting there on that toilet thinking about what

47:51 Speaker 1: I had seen and what it transpired. You know, the

47:55 Speaker 1: thought hit me. I didn't even strike the site. And

47:57 Speaker 1: that's the procedure that you do when you arrived at

48:00 Speaker 1: the facility, that's required for you have these steps that

48:03 Speaker 1: you have to follow to eliminate whatever threat there is there,

48:09 Speaker 1: but to assess the entire situation and report that back.

48:14 Speaker 1: We never reported anything back like that, you know, we didn't.

48:17 Speaker 1: I don't even think we used the radio from moments

48:20 Speaker 1: of arrival. I really don't. I can't remember if we did.

48:25 Speaker 1: And all of a sudden, jesse, I get this ringing

48:28 Speaker 1: in my ears. That was as if somebody struck a

48:32 Speaker 1: liberty bell right next to my head. I mean, really,

48:34 Speaker 1: I have to emphasize that, because it was like it

48:37 Speaker 1: got my attention. I don't know if I reached up

48:39 Speaker 1: and put my hands on my ears or what. But

48:42 Speaker 1: when it happened, everything turned like lime green to me,

48:47 Speaker 1: like pea green. And I didn't It was as if

48:52 Speaker 1: my vision was changing, or some part of my visual

48:55 Speaker 1: acuity was changing. And close my eyes, and when I did,

49:02 Speaker 1: I had this feeling I was leaving my body literally

49:07 Speaker 1: I was, you know, I thought I was dying. I said,

49:10 Speaker 1: I guess this is this, this is how you die.

49:14 Speaker 1: And every time I closed my eyes, I felt as

49:16 Speaker 1: if I went without going anywhere. I felt as if

49:19 Speaker 1: I kept going lower within myself. And I knew that

49:24 Speaker 1: there was a clear channel to exit me through my feet.

49:29 Speaker 1: I knew there was. It was a map, there was

49:32 Speaker 1: something there that I could leave if I so she

49:35 Speaker 1: chose to do so, and it scared me to death.

49:38 Speaker 1: It's literally scared me to death, man. And when I

49:42 Speaker 1: opened my eyes that last time, I saw four fuzzy

49:45 Speaker 1: feet walking by pause, walking by the bottom of that

49:49 Speaker 1: door with a set of cocker and military boots behind him.

49:52 Speaker 1: That was a dog handler and his drug dog. So

49:56 Speaker 1: you know they had gotten one of They had gotten

49:57 Speaker 1: them to come out fifty five miles out from base

50:00 Speaker 1: to go through all of our stuff, make sure there's

50:01 Speaker 1: no drugs involved. And I said, man, I said, I'm glad,

50:06 Speaker 1: I'm glad to see you because he didn't know what

50:08 Speaker 1: I just experienced. And I said, my diddy bag is

50:10 Speaker 1: out there in the day room. He says, that's all right, Mario,

50:13 Speaker 1: we already have it. I don't know who he was,

50:15 Speaker 1: but he knew my name. I don't know if you

50:17 Speaker 1: had just been told my name or what. You know.

50:19 Speaker 1: I played a lot of tennis back then. Been somebody

50:21 Speaker 1: I played with. But I said, I'll be out in

50:27 Speaker 1: just a minute. Man. He says, yeah, no worries, man.

50:29 Speaker 1: He says, you're all good. Just come and check on you.

50:31 Speaker 1: That's what he said. Just came in to check on you.

50:33 Speaker 1: I said, thank you. So they left or were leaving,

50:37 Speaker 1: and I opened up the stall door and I just

50:39 Speaker 1: went to the sink and mind you, I still have

50:40 Speaker 1: on my long John's and my fatigue pants and shirt

50:44 Speaker 1: and you know, saying clothes. I was in about thirty

50:48 Speaker 1: hours now and I just turned that faucet on its

50:51 Speaker 1: ice cold water, and I just literally just drowned myself

50:54 Speaker 1: with water. I was just soaking wet because Masters Sartin

50:57 Speaker 1: Gray said something to me as I came out there.

51:00 Speaker 1: He said, what did you do climb in the sink

51:01 Speaker 1: or something like that, and I did. I don't even

51:04 Speaker 1: know if I answered. I just said yes, sir, so

51:09 Speaker 1: I think I had a towel in my hand, and

51:12 Speaker 1: he said, well, he goes, get your stuff. He goes.

51:14 Speaker 1: We have to go. We have to go back to

51:16 Speaker 1: the sat TAP building that was our main operations building

51:19 Speaker 1: aunt Ellsworth. And I said, yes, sir, so I grabbed

51:22 Speaker 1: my stuff and immediately I said, well Michael Johnson, he said,

51:24 Speaker 1: don't worry about him, He'll be going with Sartant Hawkins.

51:26 Speaker 1: I said, okay, And I really wanted to talk to him,

51:30 Speaker 1: but immediately upon arrival at that site, we were separated

51:33 Speaker 1: right then and there. Now I don't know what good

51:35 Speaker 1: it would have done, because he wasn't coherent, or wasn't

51:37 Speaker 1: answering or anything. Anyway.

51:39 Speaker 3: He hadn't said a word nothing.

51:41 Speaker 1: Not one word that I knew of, not one word.

51:43 Speaker 1: He hadn't said anything to me or to anybody else

51:45 Speaker 1: that was there. And I don't know how they transported him,

51:48 Speaker 1: you know, other than him telling me that mattresstar Tex

51:51 Speaker 1: Sardant Hawkins was going to take him to the base. Right.

51:55 Speaker 1: So I got my diddy bag and loaded up and

51:58 Speaker 1: UH got my weapon, everything, and off we went to

52:03 Speaker 1: Ellsworth and it was about an hour ten minute ride

52:06 Speaker 1: back to Ellsworth. We went in through the back gate

52:09 Speaker 1: at Box Elder and went straight to the SATAP building

52:13 Speaker 1: and he escorted me the entire way Armory turned in,

52:17 Speaker 1: turned in a weapon, all that stuff, and which was

52:21 Speaker 1: normal procedure, you know, went to Ralphie Spreaker's office under escort.

52:30 Speaker 1: And of course when you are called in like that,

52:33 Speaker 1: you do a formal report in where you literally bangled,

52:36 Speaker 1: knock on the doorframe or whatever, even if the door's open,

52:38 Speaker 1: you knock on the door frame, and then your commander

52:41 Speaker 1: whomever tell you can enter the room. You enter the room,

52:44 Speaker 1: go directly to his desk. You know, he was together

52:46 Speaker 1: at attention, you know, report in, you know, Seniorman was

52:49 Speaker 1: reporting his order, sir, you know, and he told me

52:54 Speaker 1: at ease, but he didn't tell me I could sit down.

52:57 Speaker 1: Never forget that. I just thought it was strange, and

53:01 Speaker 1: he had to know how long I'd been up. I mean,

53:03 Speaker 1: I was weakened, if I may say, I just felt

53:06 Speaker 1: really weakened in a different state, not knowing what I'd experienced.

53:11 Speaker 1: I was still wet from an hour and fifteen minutes

53:14 Speaker 1: ago from the sink, you know, So it was really strange.

53:17 Speaker 1: And he asked me some questions, and he said, I

53:23 Speaker 1: remember saying, sounds as if you've had an interesting evening

53:27 Speaker 1: or night or something like that, and I said, yes, sir,

53:30 Speaker 1: And I looked to my left and there's a total

53:33 Speaker 1: of five people in that room. There's the deputy base

53:35 Speaker 1: commander who I don't remember his name, but next to

53:39 Speaker 1: him was a man in a gray tweed suit with

53:43 Speaker 1: a hat and the hat was under his arm. Then

53:46 Speaker 1: there was a Captain Jack Reid OSI. Next to him

53:53 Speaker 1: was this new OSI guy named Rick Dody.

53:59 Speaker 3: Interesting. Yeah, so, and do you have any speculation as

54:02 Speaker 3: to who the guy in the great tweet seat was.

54:05 Speaker 1: I was never introduced to him nor told his name,

54:07 Speaker 1: and I only found out Jack Reid was a captain

54:12 Speaker 1: in OSI. He was the lead OSI officer on Ellsworth

54:16 Speaker 1: at that time, and through an email that Rick Dody

54:22 Speaker 1: sent me after about five years of trying to trying

54:25 Speaker 1: to get him to answer my emails or talk to me,

54:29 Speaker 1: because the first time I saw him was on Ancient Aliens,

54:31 Speaker 1: and I said, I know that guy. He was at

54:32 Speaker 1: my debrief.

54:33 Speaker 2: I was a counter intelligence officer for the Air Force

54:35 Speaker 2: Officer's Special Investigation. I was personally fascinated by the fact

54:40 Speaker 2: that Richard Doty had been involved in the aftermath of

54:43 Speaker 2: Mario's case. I knew about Doty because of a great

54:45 Speaker 2: book called Project Beta by Greg Bishop. Doty was an

54:49 Speaker 2: Air Force counterintelligence agent basically tasked with performing a psychological

54:53 Speaker 2: operation on an innocent researcher named Paul Benowitz, who had

54:58 Speaker 2: seen an exotic craft at Air Force Base. Doty convinced

55:02 Speaker 2: Benowitz that he was in touch with aliens, even receiving

55:04 Speaker 2: signals on his computer. This eventually drove Benowitz into psychiatric hospitalization.

55:10 Speaker 2: So the fact that DODI was part of Mario's debrief

55:13 Speaker 2: is fascinating, seems very important and requires follow up by

55:16 Speaker 2: some brave souls.

55:18 Speaker 1: And up to that point, I had nobody. Yeah, I'd

55:21 Speaker 1: had nobody that could say, yeah, they were there or whatever.

55:24 Speaker 1: You know, what have you? I tried running down my

55:26 Speaker 1: old flight chief and assistant flight chief, but with no

55:29 Speaker 1: success or anybody else, and especially Michael Johnson. Some money

55:32 Speaker 1: has been spent trying to locate Michael Johnson. We've looked

55:35 Speaker 1: in hospitals, we've looked.

55:37 Speaker 3: In can't find him anywhere.

55:38 Speaker 1: No, Sir, and I reported at the Arrow in March

55:41 Speaker 1: of twenty three. I think when I spoke with them,

55:44 Speaker 1: did ERA follow up at all? I don't know. They

55:46 Speaker 1: never got back with me four hours and nineteen minutes

55:50 Speaker 1: I spoke with them.

55:51 Speaker 3: That's crazy.

55:52 Speaker 1: Yeah, And they set I would get a copy of

55:53 Speaker 1: everything which had been you know, talked about. They say,

55:56 Speaker 1: they don't record it. How do you? How do you?

56:00 Speaker 1: How do you send somebody a copy without recording something?

56:02 Speaker 3: Come on, that's ridiculous.

56:04 Speaker 1: Can you write that fast? No?

56:06 Speaker 3: But I mean it's also like.

56:07 Speaker 1: And there's more than one person sitting there also.

56:10 Speaker 3: Oh my god, but you I mean, the government agency

56:13 Speaker 3: tasked for investigating UFOs and you don't record your conversation.

56:16 Speaker 3: That's absolutely absurd.

56:18 Speaker 1: Yeah. And then two weeks later is when Kirkpatrick went

56:20 Speaker 1: on and said there was no substantial evidence.

56:23 Speaker 3: Can you contact Michael Johnson's family?

56:26 Speaker 1: I don't have any way, I don't have any any

56:28 Speaker 1: numbers or anything. He said he was from Chicago, Illinois.

56:31 Speaker 1: Believe me, every resource, including other law enforcement officers that

56:34 Speaker 1: I know today's technology have not located him yet. Neither

56:38 Speaker 1: has AERO.

56:39 Speaker 3: So what was your interaction with Dodie?

56:41 Speaker 1: Nothing? Not One't that we'd ever spoke or anything like that.

56:45 Speaker 1: He was directly reporting to Captain Jack read next to him.

56:49 Speaker 3: Okay, So that's fascinating, right, that this guy who's clearly

56:52 Speaker 3: this disinfo agent, you know, at least in the context

56:55 Speaker 3: of Benowitz, is showing up seven years earlier, eight years

56:59 Speaker 3: earlier in your case, and you don't know.

57:02 Speaker 1: Ran new he rand new then. So as a person

57:07 Speaker 1: that's very high in this whole thing said, those were

57:12 Speaker 1: the days that when he was probably honestly not changed

57:19 Speaker 1: in any way. Perhaps I just want to say that

57:22 Speaker 1: the right way because we you know, we I email

57:25 Speaker 1: him once in a while and he'll answer me back,

57:28 Speaker 1: whereas it took me about five years to get him

57:30 Speaker 1: to even do that, and then we got to be

57:33 Speaker 1: on a cast together.

57:35 Speaker 3: So real quick, just context. He now has come out

57:39 Speaker 3: saying he's reformed and he apologizes for you know, his

57:42 Speaker 3: malpractice in the past. A lot of people are suspicious

57:46 Speaker 3: of that reform. It does feel a little bit sometimes

57:50 Speaker 3: to me like he's flooding the zone with this info,

57:52 Speaker 3: like he'll talk about, you know, six alien races. Yeah,

57:55 Speaker 3: and it just seems extremely speculative and not based on

57:58 Speaker 3: any sort of evidence.

58:00 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's more than I know how to swallow.

58:03 Speaker 1: I only know that what I witnessed is my incident,

58:06 Speaker 1: and anybody that I could get that's you know, that

58:10 Speaker 1: was there has some idea of it or that I knew.

58:14 Speaker 1: I've done everything that I can to try and locate them,

58:16 Speaker 1: and he is the only person so far that I

58:19 Speaker 1: have found alive. And mind you, I'm sixty nine and

58:22 Speaker 1: I think he's older than I am. I think I

58:24 Speaker 1: think that's what he told me, that he was in

58:27 Speaker 1: his seventies, and I have no idea. I mean, when

58:30 Speaker 1: I saw that thing the other day about him saying

58:32 Speaker 1: he was it was from seventy eight to eighty eight

58:36 Speaker 1: when he was in OSI, really really bothered me. And

58:39 Speaker 1: that was just last week that I saw that. And

58:42 Speaker 1: I'll try to find the program again and I'll send

58:44 Speaker 1: you something about it.

58:45 Speaker 3: Did you have any biological after effects after you had

58:49 Speaker 3: this experience?

58:49 Speaker 1: Well, I, if you want me to, I'll explain that

58:54 Speaker 1: because I get sent over to the flight surgeon's office

58:59 Speaker 1: after this entire debriefing takes place and questions and like

59:04 Speaker 1: you wouldn't believe from my commander, and I just relayed

59:08 Speaker 1: everything that I just told you, with the exception of

59:12 Speaker 1: what I saw or what I thought I saw at

59:16 Speaker 1: the side window of my vehicle. Had I said that

59:20 Speaker 1: I saw these beings, they would have immediately removed me

59:25 Speaker 1: from the PRP Personal Liability Program. I'd have lost my clearance,

59:28 Speaker 1: I'd have lost my job, I'd have never been in

59:31 Speaker 1: the missile feel again. And I was newly wet at

59:34 Speaker 1: the time, and I needed a job, and I loved

59:37 Speaker 1: what I was doing. I just had no idea that

59:40 Speaker 1: something like this could even happen.

59:42 Speaker 3: So did you lie about what happened?

59:44 Speaker 1: No? I did not lie. I just simply did not

59:46 Speaker 1: tell them what I saw out that side window to them.

59:49 Speaker 1: Everything else the size of the craft, you know, and

59:53 Speaker 1: how we came upon it and flipping the facility lights

59:57 Speaker 1: at it, and I told them the entire story. Sorry,

1:00:00 Speaker 1: up to the point where what was out that window,

1:00:04 Speaker 1: I never said a word about. Yeah, so I had

1:00:06 Speaker 1: to write that in the report also. But that was

1:00:08 Speaker 1: after about an hour and a half, almost two hours

1:00:12 Speaker 1: of this debriefing in the commander's office. And once that

1:00:17 Speaker 1: was done, he said, well, we're going to have the

1:00:18 Speaker 1: flight surgeon to take a look at you. I said, yes, sir, okay.

1:00:22 Speaker 1: So they loaded me up in his staff car and

1:00:25 Speaker 1: took me over to medical. And I'd never been in

1:00:27 Speaker 1: a flat surgeon's office before, thinking, oh boy, well, you know,

1:00:30 Speaker 1: what's what's this going to be. And I'm still wet,

1:00:32 Speaker 1: Like I said, I'm still damp from the water, the

1:00:35 Speaker 1: basin bath, I call it. And uh. I stripped down

1:00:41 Speaker 1: to my underwear and my and my a T shirt

1:00:45 Speaker 1: or something, and there was a nurse in the room

1:00:47 Speaker 1: and there were two flight surgeons and it was a

1:00:49 Speaker 1: time and when they had these these gray like separating

1:00:54 Speaker 1: walls that were about five or six feet high with

1:00:55 Speaker 1: this little waving glass at the top of it, so

1:00:58 Speaker 1: if you walked in another room over there, you could

1:01:00 Speaker 1: see heads, but you couldn't see what was going on.

1:01:03 Speaker 1: That used to be like a big like a room

1:01:04 Speaker 1: divider or something. And that was important because the guys

1:01:07 Speaker 1: from OSI, they were on the other side of that,

1:01:10 Speaker 1: of that wall, of that that panel, and I knew

1:01:13 Speaker 1: they were there. Uh. And as the doctor's you know,

1:01:19 Speaker 1: started you know, asking me questions, it was one tall

1:01:23 Speaker 1: and one short.

1:01:26 Speaker 2: Uh.

1:01:26 Speaker 1: They tested my ears, eyes, nose, throat, looked at my joints,

1:01:29 Speaker 1: my hands, my fingers, you know, just literally everywhere. And

1:01:35 Speaker 1: then they'd like walk over a few feet away and

1:01:38 Speaker 1: they'd talk a little bit and I couldn't quite hear

1:01:40 Speaker 1: what they were saying, and the nurse was just over

1:01:41 Speaker 1: to my right and uh came back and the one

1:01:48 Speaker 1: of them grabbed a you know, a latex glove and

1:01:50 Speaker 1: he puts it on his hand, and I just thought,

1:01:52 Speaker 1: there's a nurse in here. And he snapped that thing.

1:01:55 Speaker 1: You know, I just thought, oh, you know, really I did.

1:01:57 Speaker 1: I thought, oh, man, you know, we'll look forward to this.

1:02:01 Speaker 1: And he goes, uh, everyon woods, you mind if I

1:02:04 Speaker 1: take a look at your gums. And that was the

1:02:09 Speaker 1: that was farthest from my mind of anything in that

1:02:12 Speaker 1: room that day. And I said, excuse me. He goes, yeah,

1:02:15 Speaker 1: I need, I need to look at your gums, your teeth.

1:02:19 Speaker 1: Uh that was better than the alternative. I said, sure, okay.

1:02:24 Speaker 1: So I just sat right there and he just hooked

1:02:27 Speaker 1: my mouth and he just took his index finger and

1:02:29 Speaker 1: his thumb and he just went all the way around

1:02:32 Speaker 1: by gums and my teeth, squeezing tops and bottoms, and

1:02:35 Speaker 1: I mean really took his time and spent time up

1:02:37 Speaker 1: here in the front under my tongue, just pressing down

1:02:41 Speaker 1: like on the bottom, like the floor of your jawbone

1:02:44 Speaker 1: or something. And h took him a couple of minutes

1:02:47 Speaker 1: and believe me, if somebody puts their fingers in your

1:02:49 Speaker 1: mouth for a couple of minutes, it's strange feeling. It's

1:02:53 Speaker 1: not something that you that you want to repeat or

1:02:56 Speaker 1: have repeated.

1:02:56 Speaker 3: Why do you think he checked that.

1:02:57 Speaker 1: I have no idea. I have honestly no idea. And

1:03:00 Speaker 1: when he stopped, he popped the glove offs. He says,

1:03:03 Speaker 1: you know, you have a couple of burns on your body,

1:03:05 Speaker 1: right And I said, excuse me. He goes, yeah, above

1:03:08 Speaker 1: your right eye and on the back of your right hand. Well,

1:03:11 Speaker 1: I didn't have a glove on this hand, and my

1:03:14 Speaker 1: beret came down like this, you know, as my beret

1:03:17 Speaker 1: was on my head, and it burned me right above

1:03:19 Speaker 1: my eyebrow right there. Now, I did have those air

1:03:22 Speaker 1: force glasses on, and I think that's why I had

1:03:25 Speaker 1: a strange curve in it that in that little sunburn.

1:03:29 Speaker 1: But he says, we need to take a skin sample,

1:03:31 Speaker 1: and I said, oh, okay, and they pulled out the

1:03:36 Speaker 1: nurse had this little tray with two types of our

1:03:41 Speaker 1: two little stainless cylinders on it with cork tops on it,

1:03:47 Speaker 1: and I guess the tool was inside the little cylinder thing.

1:03:52 Speaker 1: He popped that off. He went up here and he

1:03:54 Speaker 1: just clipped a piece of skin off there, and he

1:03:56 Speaker 1: took the whole tool and he stuck it right down

1:03:58 Speaker 1: in there, put a cork corn it later on that tray.

1:04:00 Speaker 1: I felt it, you know, it didn't feel like much,

1:04:02 Speaker 1: just a little clip, I mean, like clipping a nail

1:04:04 Speaker 1: or something, you know. And then he did it on

1:04:06 Speaker 1: the back of my hand, once over here and once

1:04:08 Speaker 1: a right over here. Same tool. I don't know if

1:04:11 Speaker 1: they could pick up two different pieces of flesh, but

1:04:13 Speaker 1: that's what he used, the same tool, put it in

1:04:15 Speaker 1: the other one, corked it and did that, and they

1:04:17 Speaker 1: walked over for a second and talked a few more moments,

1:04:20 Speaker 1: and then they turned around and said, uh, thank you,

1:04:23 Speaker 1: you know, but you know you're done. You know you

1:04:26 Speaker 1: can go back over to the commander's office now you

1:04:28 Speaker 1: can get dressed. I said, yes, sir, thank you. Okay.

1:04:34 Speaker 1: So when I look back up os I had they

1:04:36 Speaker 1: had they had gone. So there was a driver in

1:04:41 Speaker 1: the in the in uh Colonel Spraker's vehicle. He was

1:04:44 Speaker 1: waiting on me. When I got dressed and went back

1:04:46 Speaker 1: out there. Uh, I got in a vehicle only straight

1:04:49 Speaker 1: back to Colonel Spraker's office where os OS I was there.

1:04:54 Speaker 1: So Colonel Spraker asked some more and every time I

1:04:56 Speaker 1: asked about Michael Johnson, they tell They kept telling me,

1:04:59 Speaker 1: don't worry about Michael Johnson. He's fine, he's fine. Really

1:05:04 Speaker 1: bothered me.

1:05:06 Speaker 3: It just almost sounds like they're covering for something.

1:05:08 Speaker 1: Yeah, he don't worry about Michael Johnson, he is fine.

1:05:12 Speaker 1: And uh. Oh, when I would to go back to

1:05:16 Speaker 1: Colonel Speaker's office again, I had to go and do

1:05:18 Speaker 1: a formal report in again and uh do everything else

1:05:25 Speaker 1: told then he told me I could sit down in

1:05:27 Speaker 1: front of him, which I did, and then the uh

1:05:31 Speaker 1: Captain Jack Reid walked over to his desk, Colonel Spiker's

1:05:35 Speaker 1: desk and handed him the paperwork and uh. At the

1:05:39 Speaker 1: same time, Colonel Spraker handed me these reporting forms. I

1:05:45 Speaker 1: don't know what. I don't know the number, but he

1:05:47 Speaker 1: handed me these. He handed me these forms. He said,

1:05:50 Speaker 1: I need you to write down every single thing that

1:05:52 Speaker 1: happened on that site tonight, from the time you got

1:05:55 Speaker 1: this alarm to the completion, you know, And I went, oh,

1:05:59 Speaker 1: I mean, I very well and I'm pretty detailed, and

1:06:02 Speaker 1: I'll be happy to do that again, I omitted what

1:06:05 Speaker 1: I saw at my right window, so I never got

1:06:08 Speaker 1: a copy of that. They would not let me have

1:06:10 Speaker 1: a copy of that, which I found kind of odd

1:06:14 Speaker 1: because anytime any other time, you know, you get article

1:06:16 Speaker 1: fifteen or something, you get a copy of it, you

1:06:19 Speaker 1: know something bad that you've done. And again I felt

1:06:21 Speaker 1: as if I'd done something incorrect or wrong, because I

1:06:23 Speaker 1: knew I didn't strike that site, and that seemed to

1:06:25 Speaker 1: be a big question, is why I didn't you strike

1:06:27 Speaker 1: this site. Of course, they had to have somebody address

1:06:33 Speaker 1: that alarm. I don't know who and how, but they did.

1:06:36 Speaker 1: But then Jack Reid walked over and handed him to

1:06:38 Speaker 1: this other piece of paper as he was putting mine down,

1:06:41 Speaker 1: and it was like a non disclosure agreement. But I

1:06:44 Speaker 1: don't even think they had that terminology then. I just

1:06:48 Speaker 1: think it was something that I was told. For one,

1:06:51 Speaker 1: this was now a classified incident. That's what I was told,

1:06:55 Speaker 1: and I was agreeing to that, and that I would

1:06:57 Speaker 1: not speak to any type of They didn't even use

1:07:02 Speaker 1: the word social media. It like media people at any time,

1:07:05 Speaker 1: if anybody comes into the missile field, you don't talk

1:07:08 Speaker 1: to anyone period. You don't even tell your wife. And

1:07:11 Speaker 1: now she thought it was odd because I should have

1:07:14 Speaker 1: been gone come back in the morning of the fourth day.

1:07:16 Speaker 1: I had just departed the day before. Then this happened

1:07:20 Speaker 1: that night, and then I wasn't allowed to call her

1:07:23 Speaker 1: till about three o'clock when everything was said and done,

1:07:25 Speaker 1: and I agreed to that agreement. So Rick Doty's job,

1:07:30 Speaker 1: what he later said when I questioned him about it,

1:07:35 Speaker 1: was he was there. He was brought in to go

1:07:42 Speaker 1: over sent over to the flight surgeon's office to pick

1:07:45 Speaker 1: up our medical records, min named Michael Johnson's. Now, I

1:07:51 Speaker 1: had no idea Michael Johnson was even over there, if

1:07:53 Speaker 1: he was truly there or not, I'm really not sure.

1:07:55 Speaker 1: I never saw him. I didn't see Michael again, as

1:07:58 Speaker 1: I said, for about eighteen days. But uh, he was

1:08:02 Speaker 1: there to study.

1:08:03 Speaker 3: So you did see Michael eighteen days later.

1:08:05 Speaker 1: Yeah, he was there to pick up just our medical

1:08:10 Speaker 1: records and bring them back to his officer, which I

1:08:12 Speaker 1: find I just find indifference with that. You know, there

1:08:18 Speaker 1: had to be something said about what just happened. I mean,

1:08:20 Speaker 1: for one, it was an incident of security, being that

1:08:23 Speaker 1: we didn't do what we were supposed to do, and

1:08:25 Speaker 1: we had five hours of missing time. They have to

1:08:27 Speaker 1: account to that for somebody, somebody higher than that based

1:08:30 Speaker 1: commander or deputy based commander and that squadron commander. They

1:08:34 Speaker 1: had to address somebody, say right, pat or wherever they

1:08:37 Speaker 1: have to up channel reporting has to take place at

1:08:41 Speaker 1: that incident. So I was able to call her at

1:08:49 Speaker 1: about three o'clock and she picked me up and she

1:08:50 Speaker 1: sees me I had a band aid up here, and

1:08:52 Speaker 1: I got one on the back of my hand. What happened?

1:08:53 Speaker 1: I can't tell her, and I had to stick with that,

1:08:57 Speaker 1: and I said, just something happened, And I said, my

1:09:00 Speaker 1: partner and I we were brought back in. You know,

1:09:02 Speaker 1: I'll go back out. So I got extra days off.

1:09:04 Speaker 1: We'll go back out on next rotation. But I never

1:09:06 Speaker 1: went back into MBOR control. He sent me to Kilo

1:09:09 Speaker 1: Control under the scrutiny of my flight chief and assistant

1:09:12 Speaker 1: flight chief and the OIC, which was a lieutenant over

1:09:16 Speaker 1: all the missile over everything out there in that sector.

1:09:21 Speaker 1: And he had a hit not a name, but he

1:09:24 Speaker 1: had a terminology, not a flight chief, but an officer

1:09:28 Speaker 1: in charge of flight operations. I'm not sure. And he

1:09:32 Speaker 1: stayed there at Kilo Control, and of course I was

1:09:36 Speaker 1: a member then never a team leader again until the

1:09:39 Speaker 1: day I nine months later I got my assignment to

1:09:41 Speaker 1: go to Korea. But getting back to that, about two

1:09:47 Speaker 1: and a half three weeks later, we're living in called

1:09:51 Speaker 1: Hayn's Way apartments. They're still there today in Rapid City.

1:09:56 Speaker 1: I get this or none kid you not. When that

1:10:01 Speaker 1: knock came with that door, I knew it was Michael Johnson.

1:10:05 Speaker 1: I knew it was that man. And I never met

1:10:07 Speaker 1: him or had him in any kind of other than

1:10:09 Speaker 1: sitting in the cab of that truck, which I not.

1:10:11 Speaker 1: He only said like three words to me whatever man

1:10:13 Speaker 1: and outside to or I don't know what it is.

1:10:16 Speaker 1: And that was back at the sight when I was

1:10:18 Speaker 1: flashing the lights at it. That's all he'd never said

1:10:20 Speaker 1: to me, other than the fact that in the day

1:10:23 Speaker 1: room or on the way out on a bus he

1:10:25 Speaker 1: said he was from Chicago, Illinois. He was not married,

1:10:28 Speaker 1: and he lived in the barracks. I knew that. He

1:10:31 Speaker 1: knocks on my door open. I said, Michael, how you doing, man?

1:10:34 Speaker 1: I said, come on in here. We got to talk.

1:10:36 Speaker 1: You know, band heads are off had no more marks.

1:10:39 Speaker 1: It was sunburned kind of thing. It was more marked

1:10:41 Speaker 1: what he did, what he took off, than there was

1:10:43 Speaker 1: when the skin healed, so which was nothing. I'm old

1:10:47 Speaker 1: Tampa boy, so I'm used to sunburn, you know. I

1:10:49 Speaker 1: looked like this in the summertime. But he came in

1:10:54 Speaker 1: and I said, I introduced him to my wife, and

1:10:56 Speaker 1: I said, all right, this is what we're going to do.

1:10:59 Speaker 1: And he looked at me and I said, I want

1:11:01 Speaker 1: you to draw what you saw, and I'm going to

1:11:03 Speaker 1: draw what I saw. Now. I hadn't drawn anything up

1:11:06 Speaker 1: to that time other than pyramids and trying to find

1:11:09 Speaker 1: out what the hell a pyramid, what it is, what

1:11:11 Speaker 1: it does, and what's supposed to be or why.

1:11:14 Speaker 3: Real quick before you say what you both draw? Was

1:11:17 Speaker 3: he in a normal state again? He was talking, He

1:11:20 Speaker 3: was cool, and like, okay.

1:11:22 Speaker 1: Yeah he was. He was cool. He was still reserved,

1:11:24 Speaker 1: but he was cool, you know, because we didn't really

1:11:27 Speaker 1: know each other that well.

1:11:28 Speaker 3: Yeah.

1:11:28 Speaker 1: Sure, And so he comes in and he meets my wife,

1:11:34 Speaker 1: and I think I put him at the kitchen table.

1:11:36 Speaker 1: We had a round kitchen table, and I sat at

1:11:38 Speaker 1: the coffee table on the couch and I started drawing,

1:11:41 Speaker 1: you know, the craft, what I saw, you know, and

1:11:45 Speaker 1: we talked about you know, what we heard, what I

1:11:49 Speaker 1: heard everything. He saw the craft, he saw the black

1:11:57 Speaker 1: sphere in front of the vehicle, jumping up down, He

1:12:01 Speaker 1: smelled the smell, he heard do not fear. He heard

1:12:05 Speaker 1: all that and saw every bit of it, but couldn't

1:12:07 Speaker 1: do nothing about it. It was as if he was

1:12:09 Speaker 1: just literally turned off and couldn't respond to anything. He

1:12:14 Speaker 1: felt everything. I ran that finger in his ear that deep.

1:12:18 Speaker 1: I felt really bad about that, but I just wanted

1:12:21 Speaker 1: him to know that I was trying. I was checking it.

1:12:23 Speaker 1: He knew that I was checking him from what you know,

1:12:25 Speaker 1: what was going on, you know, But he couldn't do

1:12:27 Speaker 1: nothing about it. He couldn't undo himself or just move.

1:12:33 Speaker 3: So how'd you guys leave it?

1:12:34 Speaker 1: So?

1:12:34 Speaker 3: Did you? You drew very similar things?

1:12:36 Speaker 1: Yeah, we drew the exact same pictures and everything.

1:12:38 Speaker 3: Can we see the pictures and show the audience?

1:12:40 Speaker 1: Well, I do have the drawings. Yeah, I don't have

1:12:43 Speaker 1: him from him, but I've got my rendition of him.

1:12:56 Speaker 3: That's remarkable. And then after that, what happens between Michael

1:13:00 Speaker 3: there an hour, hour and a half and it was

1:13:01 Speaker 3: a good kid.

1:13:02 Speaker 1: And it was good vibes all the way through. He

1:13:04 Speaker 1: had some tea or something and we talked some more.

1:13:07 Speaker 1: Said hey, well we need to get together again and

1:13:09 Speaker 1: chat some more, you know, and he said, yeah, I

1:13:11 Speaker 1: agree with that. That was the last time I ever

1:13:13 Speaker 1: saw him.

1:13:14 Speaker 3: You couldn't get in touch after that, No, she tried, No, Yeah, yeah.

1:13:18 Speaker 1: I don't know where he went. I don't know what

1:13:20 Speaker 1: happened to him. I don't know if he was sent

1:13:21 Speaker 1: somewhere else. It wasn't eight months later, well, it was

1:13:24 Speaker 1: about seven months. Six months later, I got promoted to

1:13:27 Speaker 1: an NCO noncommissioned officer buck sergeant, so I know he

1:13:31 Speaker 1: had to go. He he outranked me by two months,

1:13:33 Speaker 1: so he had to be upgraded also or promoted to

1:13:38 Speaker 1: an NCO.

1:13:39 Speaker 3: And have you tried looking up his records?

1:13:42 Speaker 1: Yeah? Everything, anything and everything.

1:13:44 Speaker 3: You can't find anything.

1:13:45 Speaker 1: I can't find a damn thing.

1:13:46 Speaker 3: Do you think the guy in the Great Tweed suit?

1:13:48 Speaker 3: You know, I think Bob Jacobs talked about two guys

1:13:51 Speaker 3: in Great Tweed seas.

1:13:52 Speaker 1: I think he was a GS Government Service employee.

1:13:54 Speaker 3: Okay, and so he was probably.

1:13:56 Speaker 1: Bob and I talked about that too.

1:13:58 Speaker 3: So he's probably the highest ranking guy in the.

1:14:00 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I don't know. I mean for GS service perhaps,

1:14:05 Speaker 1: but Colonel Spraker was the highest ranking in that room,

1:14:09 Speaker 1: and I don't remember the rank of the deputy base commander.

1:14:12 Speaker 3: If you have one hundred and seventy, you know, people

1:14:16 Speaker 3: seeing a thing around nuclear bases and they're all told

1:14:18 Speaker 3: to sign non disclosures after they see a thing. What

1:14:21 Speaker 3: do you think the real number is? Given how many

1:14:24 Speaker 3: thousands of people have worked at nuclear bases, you know

1:14:26 Speaker 3: in the seventy year plus American nuclear program history, you

1:14:32 Speaker 3: think it's over one thousand.

1:14:33 Speaker 1: It has to be. I would say that anybody even

1:14:35 Speaker 1: today then they're still active. You know, Ellsworth has been decommissioned.

1:14:41 Speaker 1: On the missile side, I think that was in nineteen

1:14:43 Speaker 1: ninety two. And the only missile that ever flew out

1:14:46 Speaker 1: of the ground and the minute Man program was at

1:14:49 Speaker 1: November two where I was located, not during my time

1:14:52 Speaker 1: but in the sixties, and I believe it flew for

1:14:54 Speaker 1: five seconds. That was detonated, you know, a dummy warhead.

1:14:57 Speaker 1: You know, they just wanted to make sure that it

1:14:59 Speaker 1: would launch out of this That's all mind's eye view

1:15:03 Speaker 1: from every one of those sites are standalone sites. Those

1:15:09 Speaker 1: missiles are stand alone with that launch control facility. So

1:15:12 Speaker 1: in each launch control facility, you got ten one point

1:15:16 Speaker 1: two megaton missile systems sitting in the ground all around you,

1:15:20 Speaker 1: I mean up to miles away from you. As I said,

1:15:23 Speaker 1: you know, November five was the closest launch facility to

1:15:27 Speaker 1: November control. If you had the technology to shut off

1:15:31 Speaker 1: one missile or to alarm one missile, would you not

1:15:37 Speaker 1: know that that's the shortest response time? And this is

1:15:39 Speaker 1: really reaching, But why didn't they set off November ten

1:15:43 Speaker 1: or November nine up by Castle Rock? Or why didn't

1:15:47 Speaker 1: we know? Why was it they didn't have no time

1:15:50 Speaker 1: to spare or what they just sat off November five?

1:15:53 Speaker 1: They knew we were coming. I literally, I really do

1:15:56 Speaker 1: think that. I mean, I don't think it was they knew.

1:15:58 Speaker 1: I think they know they can and see the power

1:16:00 Speaker 1: grid under the ground because everything out there is underground everything.

1:16:05 Speaker 1: That's why they ask how they keep power on in

1:16:06 Speaker 1: the winter time. They build underground all these years.

1:16:09 Speaker 3: Also, the response on the human side for you feels

1:16:12 Speaker 3: oddly routine. If that were like the first, the only

1:16:16 Speaker 3: incident that had ever happened, you'd think that, you know,

1:16:20 Speaker 3: the superior superiors would be freaked out right, like it's

1:16:23 Speaker 3: like you have nuclear missile silos, like, yeah, these are

1:16:27 Speaker 3: that's it's it's it's our you know, top of the

1:16:30 Speaker 3: food chain when it comes to American defense.

1:16:32 Speaker 1: Yes and offense or so we think. Yeah. So there

1:16:35 Speaker 1: are other variations, and I think they in to engauge

1:16:38 Speaker 1: our overall knowledge on splitting the atom and what's in

1:16:42 Speaker 1: those two hymn shales, what source we're using where it's

1:16:46 Speaker 1: no matter if it's plutonium, it's uranium or what it is.

1:16:49 Speaker 1: And I worked at those facilities too. I was with

1:16:51 Speaker 1: US DOE for quite some time also as a security inspector.

1:16:54 Speaker 1: So I've been through a lot of these laboratories. I've

1:16:57 Speaker 1: been to Los Alamos, Sandia, oak Ridge, Nashal Laboratory, the

1:17:01 Speaker 1: Y twelve facility, Oakridge Gases Diffusion Facility, and General Electric

1:17:05 Speaker 1: Neutron Devices where triggering mechanisms were built RTGs.

1:17:10 Speaker 3: So where were you at g Schinektiki, New York.

1:17:14 Speaker 1: No Largo, Florida. That was their DIE facility, which is

1:17:17 Speaker 1: now decommissioned. I don't do it any longer. They made

1:17:20 Speaker 1: the triggering device there that is used that you can

1:17:24 Speaker 1: see all.

1:17:24 Speaker 3: It's clear whatever's going on in the UFO site is

1:17:27 Speaker 3: very interested in not only nuclear weapons, but it seems

1:17:32 Speaker 3: like nuclear energy.

1:17:33 Speaker 1: Right in anything in which we use an atom for.

1:17:35 Speaker 1: But I honestly think that they gauge our intelligence on

1:17:38 Speaker 1: that in some way, and that's why they're so closely scrutinized.

1:17:42 Speaker 1: The other thing that's funny, I think they have a

1:17:44 Speaker 1: sense of humor. And the reason I think that is

1:17:47 Speaker 1: when you get all these sites that are shut down

1:17:49 Speaker 1: and everybody scrambles all offline and everything like what happened

1:17:53 Speaker 1: to Robert Salas for instance, and his commander. The flip

1:17:58 Speaker 1: side of that is when one of these it's alarm

1:18:01 Speaker 1: and start its countdown as is it's going to launch.

1:18:05 Speaker 1: So the response to that, once you're dispatched, if the

1:18:10 Speaker 1: launch crew wants to dispatch you, if they're really worried

1:18:13 Speaker 1: because they have an override also that they can do

1:18:15 Speaker 1: something with. And I don't know exactly how that works,

1:18:18 Speaker 1: but their dispatch you to the site with your F

1:18:22 Speaker 1: one fifty four pickup truck and all your goodies. You

1:18:24 Speaker 1: got your ditty bag, you weapon, your stuff, You're ready

1:18:27 Speaker 1: for it to be out there for two weeks if

1:18:28 Speaker 1: you have to every time you leave, you can stay

1:18:31 Speaker 1: out in that missile field for a very long time period.

1:18:38 Speaker 1: The missile is counting itself down. It's going to launch.

1:18:44 Speaker 1: You take and you go to the site, You open

1:18:46 Speaker 1: up the gates, You drive your vehicle right up on

1:18:49 Speaker 1: top of the blast door, which is at ground level,

1:18:51 Speaker 1: right on top of an octagon shaped nine ton door,

1:18:54 Speaker 1: and sit right on top of that site, right on

1:18:56 Speaker 1: top of that blast door. Put your vehicle in neutral.

1:19:01 Speaker 1: If you can find a rock big enough, chalk both tires,

1:19:04 Speaker 1: just chalk one front, run back so that don't roll

1:19:07 Speaker 1: if there's a little bit of lean to one of

1:19:08 Speaker 1: the one of the doors or something. So all we

1:19:11 Speaker 1: were told, grab your stuff, get off that site, and

1:19:15 Speaker 1: set up a one mile ECP entry control point and

1:19:19 Speaker 1: wait for further orders in hopes that if this thing

1:19:23 Speaker 1: cannot be stopped or overridden, when that when that blast

1:19:27 Speaker 1: door blows out from underneath that vehicle, it's going to

1:19:30 Speaker 1: fall down on top of that, on top of that rocket,

1:19:33 Speaker 1: and all it's in hopes to do is to damage

1:19:36 Speaker 1: it to offset its guidance control, so it'll just go

1:19:39 Speaker 1: off aimlessly like a scud and crash. That's what it.

1:19:42 Speaker 1: That's what they do, and get down to ten or

1:19:44 Speaker 1: fifteen seconds and it stops. Then everything's normal again. Crazy

1:19:50 Speaker 1: and people rolling up on these sites have sometimes seen

1:19:52 Speaker 1: those craft. Then they blow away and then that happens,

1:19:56 Speaker 1: you know. So I would venture to say that there

1:19:59 Speaker 1: were a hundred security policemen at Ellsworth Air Force Base

1:20:02 Speaker 1: while I was there. That's standard configuration. That's not an

1:20:07 Speaker 1: operational readiness inspection or anything like that. They were just

1:20:10 Speaker 1: normally eight hundred or right there. About security policemen, law

1:20:14 Speaker 1: enforcement and or security anybody that works in that missile field,

1:20:20 Speaker 1: I would say, I would say one out of every

1:20:24 Speaker 1: four has probably seen something in the night sky, because

1:20:28 Speaker 1: everybody works rotating shifts. Whether they report it or tell

1:20:31 Speaker 1: their partner about it is up to them. But I'd

1:20:33 Speaker 1: venture to say it's that frequent, that's why. And that's

1:20:36 Speaker 1: just that Ellsworth. That doesn't include min Not, that doesn't

1:20:39 Speaker 1: include Malstrom or F. E. Warren in Wyoming. I've been

1:20:46 Speaker 1: told or asked just recently if i'd appear before Congress,

1:20:52 Speaker 1: and I would. I would appeared before Congress. And I

1:20:56 Speaker 1: know that's pretty hair raising for a lot of people,

1:20:58 Speaker 1: but when they get all the scientists and all the

1:21:01 Speaker 1: pilots and everything else out of the way with these

1:21:09 Speaker 1: huge credentials, I was just a security policeman at twenty

1:21:11 Speaker 1: three years of age. I have a high school education,

1:21:15 Speaker 1: I have some college I've been mostly technical schools all

1:21:19 Speaker 1: my life, and I really try to read a lot

1:21:21 Speaker 1: and do a lot of things to educate myself further.

1:21:25 Speaker 1: It just didn't work out for me being able to

1:21:27 Speaker 1: do the things, you know, going to college and so forth.

1:21:31 Speaker 1: When they're done with all of that, they want a

1:21:33 Speaker 1: real up close and personal account, then they've got to

1:21:37 Speaker 1: come to me sooner or later. And you don't have

1:21:39 Speaker 1: to put that in this, but you know, that's what

1:21:44 Speaker 1: somebody up there told me. They said, eventually they got

1:21:48 Speaker 1: to hear somebody just had an up close and personal

1:21:52 Speaker 1: time with these things. So being that was on duty,

1:21:56 Speaker 1: I was a prime candidate for that, as I've been told.

1:22:00 Speaker 1: And I wish I had more witnesses. I wish there

1:22:02 Speaker 1: were people that could just pull up out of nowhere.

1:22:04 Speaker 1: You know that we're there, but you know, there's just

1:22:07 Speaker 1: so much time has passed. You know, we've been through

1:22:09 Speaker 1: so much with COVID and everything else. I don't know.

1:22:13 Speaker 3: What about what about the guy you said you were

1:22:16 Speaker 3: buddies with where you ran in and you started signaling

1:22:20 Speaker 3: that what you thought was a B fifty two At

1:22:22 Speaker 3: the time, it.

1:22:22 Speaker 1: Was his name Bill Holloman, Bill Hallman.

1:22:24 Speaker 3: I'm still in touch with Bill.

1:22:25 Speaker 1: Well, I know it's William William something Holloman. We called

1:22:29 Speaker 1: him Bill and he was from North Carolina. I have

1:22:31 Speaker 1: searched how many names of the last name of Holloman,

1:22:34 Speaker 1: I don't know. And that's the only way I've even

1:22:37 Speaker 1: did you.

1:22:37 Speaker 3: Even speak to him one on one after that? Being

1:22:40 Speaker 3: like number one, we signaled the thing.

1:22:42 Speaker 1: I was never I never went back to November Control.

1:22:45 Speaker 1: They sent me to Kilo Control. They's completely separator, so

1:22:48 Speaker 1: I never saw Michael Johnson again until about three weeks later.

1:22:53 Speaker 3: So they just separated you. And how far is Keilo

1:22:55 Speaker 3: Control from November.

1:22:56 Speaker 1: Honestly, it's a sister flight, but it's where the supervision

1:23:00 Speaker 1: and hang their hat at nights. Instead of us being

1:23:04 Speaker 1: at November Control or any of our OSCAR flight or

1:23:06 Speaker 1: any of the other flights where you don't have the

1:23:08 Speaker 1: supervision of a flight chief and an assistant flight chief,

1:23:14 Speaker 1: you do it Kilo. So they have a way of monitoring,

1:23:17 Speaker 1: watching every single thing that you do, and also the OIC.

1:23:21 Speaker 3: And so you just never saw Bill again.

1:23:24 Speaker 1: Note maybe at guard Mount once or twice. Hey Bill,

1:23:27 Speaker 1: that kind of thing just passing.

1:23:29 Speaker 3: You say, hey Bill, you know what about I.

1:23:31 Speaker 1: Wanted to, but it never really presented itself. And there

1:23:34 Speaker 1: were a couple other guys there, even at Sergeant Garza.

1:23:38 Speaker 1: I'd love to have spoken with him again because and

1:23:41 Speaker 1: he was from Texas. I remember that we talked about it,

1:23:44 Speaker 1: and because I was just that close born in Port Arthur,

1:23:48 Speaker 1: but I was born in Virginia and my parents and

1:23:50 Speaker 1: they moved to Port Arthur. My dad could ship in

1:23:54 Speaker 1: and out of there.

1:23:55 Speaker 3: And you received a hypnotic regression about all of this, Right.

1:23:58 Speaker 1: I did, I certainly did. Bob Upton did my first one,

1:24:02 Speaker 1: and Yvonne Smith did my second one.

1:24:03 Speaker 3: What came out?

1:24:04 Speaker 1: Uh, well, the the uh the inside of the craft?

1:24:12 Speaker 3: What was that like?

1:24:14 Speaker 1: I've got some drawings of it. But what I saw

1:24:19 Speaker 1: or what I experienced in my mind, uh, it was

1:24:26 Speaker 1: not all pleasant. M and these these were the one

1:24:31 Speaker 1: that was messing with me was a very tall one

1:24:34 Speaker 1: that was doing the you know one thing to me

1:24:37 Speaker 1: whereas in regression number two, I found out that Michael

1:24:45 Speaker 1: was laying opposite to me, and it was one of

1:24:49 Speaker 1: the short ones or small ones between us both and uh,

1:24:55 Speaker 1: he was facing one direction, I was facing the opposite direction,

1:24:58 Speaker 1: kind of like like that would be.

1:25:01 Speaker 3: And uh, what were they doing? Were they doing taking samples?

1:25:04 Speaker 1: Or well? The tall one did something to my wrist

1:25:07 Speaker 1: and I kept telling him how to hurt me, and

1:25:09 Speaker 1: he and uh, he told me he said something, you know,

1:25:15 Speaker 1: we don't hurt you, or something like that. I don't remember.

1:25:18 Speaker 1: I'd have to go back and listen to it again.

1:25:19 Speaker 1: I don't even listen to my first regression session for

1:25:22 Speaker 1: a year. I was so afraid of what I what

1:25:25 Speaker 1: I would hear, or what I would find out, or

1:25:28 Speaker 1: what I would see in the actual incident itself that

1:25:31 Speaker 1: when I when I sat down from inside that window,

1:25:36 Speaker 1: I want you to know that the words do not

1:25:38 Speaker 1: fear traveled through my body like vibration, like like a hiss,

1:25:48 Speaker 1: a telepathic I don't know, yeah, but I kept hearing

1:25:52 Speaker 1: over and over, do not fear, do not fear? Uh,

1:25:56 Speaker 1: do not fear?

1:25:57 Speaker 3: And was it a good vibe or bad? As far

1:26:02 Speaker 3: as yours?

1:26:03 Speaker 1: It was control. It was complete. It was as if

1:26:06 Speaker 1: you know, when somebody says something, you'll say, uh what

1:26:10 Speaker 1: or huh. There's none of that, there's no misinterpretation of

1:26:14 Speaker 1: someone speaking to you know exactly what's being said.

1:26:17 Speaker 3: Was there was there sort of a sense of their

1:26:20 Speaker 3: intention as positive or negative?

1:26:22 Speaker 1: Or was it assuring? Assuring? I think no matter what

1:26:28 Speaker 1: you see visually, do not fear. And that's what we

1:26:31 Speaker 1: seem to have the hardest problem with, is what we're

1:26:34 Speaker 1: seeing visually.

1:26:36 Speaker 3: If you had kind of a best guest, do you

1:26:37 Speaker 3: think they had positive intentions or negative?

1:26:40 Speaker 1: Or I think they had positive. But they fulfill their mission,

1:26:43 Speaker 1: whatever that mission is, whether it's to obtain DNA material

1:26:47 Speaker 1: or what have you, or some kind of a programming

1:26:50 Speaker 1: or I don't know, any whatever they want to do,

1:26:54 Speaker 1: they're going to.

1:26:54 Speaker 3: Do outside of like the obvious, which is you experienced

1:26:58 Speaker 3: this kind of crazy paranormals ruption in your life, did

1:27:02 Speaker 3: this kind of was this an inflection point or did

1:27:05 Speaker 3: it change your life in a dramatic way? After how so.

1:27:09 Speaker 1: I had to find out everything about archaeology and pyramids hmm.

1:27:13 Speaker 3: And so that was just something that it almost felt

1:27:16 Speaker 3: like it was installed inside of you or downloaded.

1:27:19 Speaker 1: Yes, and why still today?

1:27:22 Speaker 3: Why do you think you became so interested in that?

1:27:24 Speaker 1: I have no idea.

1:27:25 Speaker 3: Do you know that the Air Force paid for this

1:27:28 Speaker 3: movie called Stargate? Have you ever seen this movie?

1:27:30 Speaker 1: Subsolutely?

1:27:31 Speaker 3: So you know there's a stargate in the pyramid. It's

1:27:34 Speaker 3: sort of this portal, this like time travel machine. Do

1:27:37 Speaker 3: you think that might be related to you know why

1:27:41 Speaker 3: you're so interested in pyramids?

1:27:45 Speaker 1: I think they were power generators and whatever they generated

1:27:48 Speaker 1: power to was worldwide, and I think it was at

1:27:51 Speaker 1: a time in which we have been completely blacked.

1:27:55 Speaker 3: Out from Have you heard of Christopher Dunn?

1:27:57 Speaker 1: I have, yes, an engineer.

1:28:00 Speaker 3: What do you think of his theory?

1:28:01 Speaker 1: I think his theory is absolutely correct. Robert Shock and

1:28:06 Speaker 1: I think absolutely I think they're the erosion marks on

1:28:09 Speaker 1: that gray sphinx and everything else around it.

1:28:12 Speaker 3: Can you can you recapitulate or can you retell Christopher

1:28:16 Speaker 3: dunn theory just for the audience?

1:28:18 Speaker 1: Well, the the archaeological tools in which was used to

1:28:23 Speaker 1: create uh and and carve or cut this grantite or

1:28:28 Speaker 1: not any archaeological array of tools of copper and wooden

1:28:33 Speaker 1: chisels today in some form of of advanced mathematics was

1:28:40 Speaker 1: used in order to create what they did, and even

1:28:43 Speaker 1: just the placement of the pyramid great pyramid itself. I mean,

1:28:46 Speaker 1: the entire plateau is the only place that can support

1:28:48 Speaker 1: that weight. And the entire plateau was built before the

1:28:52 Speaker 1: pyramids were placed on top of it. So who hand

1:28:57 Speaker 1: that technology and what was used to who? Who mandated that? What?

1:29:01 Speaker 1: Pharaoh woke up one morning after his dates and whatever

1:29:06 Speaker 1: else he ate and said, let's build that plateau so

1:29:09 Speaker 1: it can hold how many millions of pounds of this

1:29:12 Speaker 1: thing weigh? I have no idea right now, but I

1:29:15 Speaker 1: mean seven hundred and fifty feet from edged it from

1:29:17 Speaker 1: corner to corner, and fourgner and thirty two feet high?

1:29:20 Speaker 1: Is that right? On thirteen acres? I mean, how can

1:29:27 Speaker 1: that be?

1:29:27 Speaker 3: Do you think the beings you experienced are aliens? Or

1:29:30 Speaker 3: do you think they're humans? Or what exactly did the alien?

1:29:34 Speaker 3: What exactly did the entities you encountered look like?

1:29:38 Speaker 1: Oh, they looked like grays. They looked like the small grays.

1:29:41 Speaker 1: But the one behind them, I guess you would classify

1:29:44 Speaker 1: him as a tall gray. On Whitley Strieber's book Communion,

1:29:48 Speaker 1: of course, the first time I saw that picture, I

1:29:50 Speaker 1: frozen my I froze in my stride, and I had

1:29:54 Speaker 1: to have that book and Barnes and Noble wherever it

1:29:57 Speaker 1: was at the time when it came out. Literally before

1:30:01 Speaker 1: I opened the first to the first page, I literally

1:30:03 Speaker 1: just sat and stared at that picture for many hours

1:30:08 Speaker 1: before I ever even read his book.

1:30:11 Speaker 3: Do you think that there there's actually a line from

1:30:12 Speaker 3: Communion by Whitley Streeberry where it's like this weird joke,

1:30:16 Speaker 3: you know. Actually I think he or his wife comments

1:30:19 Speaker 3: on how ugly the aliens are, and the alien turns

1:30:23 Speaker 3: back and he goes, someday, soon, my dear, you'll look

1:30:26 Speaker 3: like us. So it's this implication that actually, we're kind

1:30:29 Speaker 3: of turning into these beings.

1:30:31 Speaker 1: In ten thousand years, will we have these smaller appendages,

1:30:34 Speaker 1: our little fingers, our little toes. How will our bodies

1:30:38 Speaker 1: be at that particular point in time, you know? How

1:30:40 Speaker 1: will our diets change? How will light change? How will

1:30:43 Speaker 1: radiation that affects our atmosphere today, how will it change

1:30:46 Speaker 1: in the future? How will it change us completely as

1:30:49 Speaker 1: we become a space faring civilization and we will be

1:30:53 Speaker 1: and you know whatever, whenever that could take place, we

1:30:57 Speaker 1: will do that? How will that change without the gravity

1:31:01 Speaker 1: that we undergo today and the things in which we

1:31:06 Speaker 1: live with today, you know, radio waves, five G. Everything

1:31:09 Speaker 1: has an effect on you.

1:31:10 Speaker 3: So you think these beings could be us from the future.

1:31:14 Speaker 1: No, I don't think they are. I don't think we're

1:31:16 Speaker 1: going to be that. I don't think we're that lucky.

1:31:18 Speaker 3: So what do you think they are? Do you think

1:31:20 Speaker 3: they're from another dimension?

1:31:21 Speaker 1: Or they could be? I mean, the technology is wide open.

1:31:25 Speaker 1: Anything you can imagine probably is.

1:31:27 Speaker 3: What was the craft like? So you're in the inside

1:31:30 Speaker 3: of this thing? What did it look like?

1:31:33 Speaker 1: A beehive?

1:31:35 Speaker 3: Beehive?

1:31:35 Speaker 1: Yeah?

1:31:36 Speaker 3: How so?

1:31:37 Speaker 1: Well there were from my looking around as I did

1:31:41 Speaker 1: in that playground, like I always try to take a

1:31:44 Speaker 1: mental picture or something, there were just multi levels with

1:31:51 Speaker 1: all these small grays everywhere, going to and fro and

1:31:55 Speaker 1: doing whatever they were doing. I just got to look

1:31:57 Speaker 1: for a moment and I was following one. Even the

1:32:00 Speaker 1: floor and the boards around the bottom of the floor

1:32:05 Speaker 1: had energy. Was everything emanated power in some way? The

1:32:12 Speaker 1: walls was there a humming association, not that I can remember.

1:32:17 Speaker 1: And it almost.

1:32:18 Speaker 3: Felt like the tall gray was maybe in charge of

1:32:21 Speaker 3: these smaller grays.

1:32:21 Speaker 1: Absolutely in that room. Another thing too, I was not

1:32:26 Speaker 1: on a table. I was, from my memory, I was

1:32:31 Speaker 1: on some type of a I was like wrapped in

1:32:38 Speaker 1: a triangular kind of beam or something that was body

1:32:43 Speaker 1: length about four foot in the air, and as like

1:32:49 Speaker 1: a strange light would not a strange light. It's even

1:32:57 Speaker 1: harder to describe, but it was as if I was

1:32:59 Speaker 1: in ser in something that was some type of a

1:33:02 Speaker 1: force field or some kind of a holding field that

1:33:06 Speaker 1: they could move you around in like a gurney without wheels,

1:33:11 Speaker 1: a table without a back or wheels or legs attached

1:33:15 Speaker 1: to it. And I felt as if you know, they

1:33:18 Speaker 1: when they reached in or when he lifted my arm up,

1:33:21 Speaker 1: lifted me up right here on my wrist, you know,

1:33:25 Speaker 1: it exited that that pyramidal field or whatever it was

1:33:30 Speaker 1: above me, and it was in his atmosphere at that time.

1:33:36 Speaker 1: In my in hypnosis, That's what I saw. The other

1:33:40 Speaker 1: thing was, this is most interesting. I'm taken to a room.

1:33:46 Speaker 1: When I first get there, I'm taken into this room,

1:33:51 Speaker 1: if you can call it a room. Everything's generated, everything's powered.

1:33:54 Speaker 1: There's power on every wall, every nook and cranny where

1:33:58 Speaker 1: no buttons or or or place of the insert of

1:34:02 Speaker 1: tape or anything like that. But the whole place is

1:34:05 Speaker 1: like is powered. And there were all these old things

1:34:11 Speaker 1: like a sewing machine table with a Singer sewing machine,

1:34:15 Speaker 1: those old fifty style lamps that went from the floor

1:34:18 Speaker 1: to the ceiling and had bulbs sticking off of them

1:34:20 Speaker 1: out that TV and a cabinet.

1:34:23 Speaker 3: It was like an antique shop ye for future.

1:34:26 Speaker 1: Yeah, like a museum. And this is an old wooden

1:34:31 Speaker 1: box radio. And I found that to be so cool

1:34:35 Speaker 1: because I ended up buying a us r KO radio

1:34:40 Speaker 1: and a mahogany cabinet that worked with twos from a

1:34:43 Speaker 1: rancher there in South Dakota that I wish I'd never

1:34:47 Speaker 1: had wooden knobs and everything on and worked beautifully. And

1:34:50 Speaker 1: uh that from that from when I saw that I

1:34:54 Speaker 1: had to have one of these dawn radios. I don't

1:34:56 Speaker 1: know why. And this one was much nicer than what

1:34:58 Speaker 1: I saw, but iron a steam iron standing. I drew

1:35:03 Speaker 1: pictures of it, the best of my recollection of everything.

1:35:07 Speaker 1: And then I was told in the in the very

1:35:09 Speaker 1: back of the room there was a round window, but

1:35:11 Speaker 1: it looked like it looked like it was a It

1:35:14 Speaker 1: was a round window with a slice taken out of it,

1:35:16 Speaker 1: like a pie without with a slice removed from it.

1:35:19 Speaker 1: And I was told, like, I go look out that window,

1:35:21 Speaker 1: but I was too afraid to walk over there and

1:35:23 Speaker 1: look out of it. For some reason, I didn't. I

1:35:26 Speaker 1: don't know why, but I mean, but I felt at ease,

1:35:29 Speaker 1: but I still didn't want to know or didn't want

1:35:32 Speaker 1: to see out that window. Something really bothered me and

1:35:36 Speaker 1: about looking out that window. And I was told that

1:35:38 Speaker 1: twice that I could go look out the window, and

1:35:40 Speaker 1: I didn't. So then I was told to follow and

1:35:45 Speaker 1: to follow, and I did. I followed a small gray

1:35:48 Speaker 1: in front of me, little legs and like a little

1:35:55 Speaker 1: great type like spandex suit or something on. I guess.

1:36:03 Speaker 1: I mean, these these things are so foreign to you.

1:36:05 Speaker 1: This this whole visual concept is so foreign to It's

1:36:08 Speaker 1: very hard to find words for a lot of it,

1:36:10 Speaker 1: even after forty four years, and it's just difficult. And

1:36:14 Speaker 1: I went, I followed him, went turned left in this

1:36:16 Speaker 1: small little opening area and went into this room where

1:36:19 Speaker 1: it was just fogged. And then that's where my memories end.

1:36:24 Speaker 1: But that's where the thing was done to my wrist.

1:36:29 Speaker 1: And then I don't know from that point on that

1:36:34 Speaker 1: seemed to be right around the end of it.

1:36:36 Speaker 3: Did it feel like a dream like state or did

1:36:38 Speaker 3: it feel physical in this hypnotic regression?

1:36:41 Speaker 1: Oh no, it felt physical real. The first time I

1:36:44 Speaker 1: was hypnotized, which was Robert Upton, Bob Upton, uh I had.

1:36:50 Speaker 1: I had a pretty bad time because I never I'm

1:36:54 Speaker 1: not a person ever thinking that I could be hypnotized

1:36:56 Speaker 1: to start with. I'm pretty strong willed, and I feel

1:37:01 Speaker 1: as if I'm common sensed also, and I just thought, oh,

1:37:04 Speaker 1: hypnosis is for someone else, It's just not for me.

1:37:07 Speaker 1: But Robert wanted me to try it, so I said okay.

1:37:11 Speaker 1: And the funny thing because we had been through a

1:37:15 Speaker 1: hurricane just prior to that down in Brunswick, Georgia, and

1:37:18 Speaker 1: I had some roof damage and deck damage on the

1:37:21 Speaker 1: back of my home and they were reroofing my house

1:37:25 Speaker 1: that day. Now, what a day to be hypnotized on

1:37:27 Speaker 1: by this guy who he came up from Jacksonville, sixty

1:37:30 Speaker 1: seven miles south of me, and he's like the lead

1:37:42 Speaker 1: hypnotic regression person form Moufon at the time. I don't

1:37:46 Speaker 1: know if he still is, but he has my admiration.

1:37:49 Speaker 1: I couldn't do his job.

1:37:50 Speaker 3: And he didn't get any sort of weird sense from

1:37:53 Speaker 3: him that he had ulterior motives.

1:37:55 Speaker 1: No now, Now, Robert Hasting had given him a set

1:37:58 Speaker 1: of questions that he was going to ask me, and

1:38:00 Speaker 1: he told me that, and I was fine with that.

1:38:02 Speaker 1: They were reroofing my home. So you'd imagine there's like

1:38:06 Speaker 1: fifteen people on my roof and my home has got

1:38:09 Speaker 1: a really steep roof. I couldn't do it. I can't

1:38:12 Speaker 1: climb up there anymore. But so they're literally peeling off

1:38:17 Speaker 1: plywood and replacing plywood, and nailers and everything else, things

1:38:21 Speaker 1: being tossed run up there. I never heard a single

1:38:25 Speaker 1: a single air gun going off during that hypnosis session.

1:38:29 Speaker 1: That's why I knew I was hypnotized. I never heard

1:38:31 Speaker 1: any of that. But he took me down to a level.

1:38:35 Speaker 1: He had a way of doing it that evidently worked.

1:38:38 Speaker 1: But once I did and I confronted what I saw,

1:38:48 Speaker 1: it really upset me a great deal. Literally come in

1:38:52 Speaker 1: to face to face and smelling that smell again, hearing

1:38:54 Speaker 1: those words again. Maybe I got that deep into it

1:38:59 Speaker 1: and I never thought of it. I could. I don't

1:39:02 Speaker 1: know if if a person's mind has changed, as we

1:39:05 Speaker 1: had said earlier. I don't know if that's what happens.

1:39:09 Speaker 3: But was it cathartic at all? Or was it just

1:39:13 Speaker 3: purely painful?

1:39:16 Speaker 1: It got painful, it really did. I mean when when

1:39:20 Speaker 1: when I visualized and saw what was being done in

1:39:24 Speaker 1: my wrist, in the way in which it was being done,

1:39:26 Speaker 1: it just I mean, he could have cut my whole

1:39:28 Speaker 1: arm off. I wouldn't known the difference. I couldn't. There's

1:39:30 Speaker 1: nothing I could do to stop it, you know, I mean,

1:39:32 Speaker 1: it could have been the end of my life right there.

1:39:34 Speaker 1: And that's how that's how.

1:39:36 Speaker 3: Did you know implants? As far as the puncture, well.

1:39:38 Speaker 1: I have no idea. And those are on the other

1:39:40 Speaker 1: side of my body anyway, or those pock marks.

1:39:43 Speaker 3: But do you still have the marks at all?

1:39:47 Speaker 1: Yeah?

1:39:48 Speaker 3: Can I see him?

1:39:48 Speaker 1: Sure? Right there? Yes, right there that he sucks on. Wow. Wow, Wow,

1:40:00 Speaker 1: I see it. Wow.

1:40:03 Speaker 3: Yeah, those look I mean just like perfectly vertically aligned.

1:40:07 Speaker 1: Well I had a doctor who's no longer with this.

1:40:10 Speaker 3: But like so clearly not like a spider, but like

1:40:12 Speaker 3: too way too big for that, Like you know, yeah,

1:40:16 Speaker 3: what would usually like like a couple of centimeters now

1:40:19 Speaker 3: maybe a centimeter each.

1:40:21 Speaker 1: Doctor Mark Gole, he did I had back surgery years

1:40:25 Speaker 1: ago and he did that, and we had talked, we

1:40:27 Speaker 1: had talked. He was a really great guy. Unfortunately COVID

1:40:30 Speaker 1: took him way too young, as it did many many people.

1:40:34 Speaker 1: And we were sitting in my backyard one night and

1:40:36 Speaker 1: after he had looked at this and he said, you know,

1:40:38 Speaker 1: he said, I'm gonna be honest with you, Mario, because

1:40:39 Speaker 1: I wanted to get something from him recorded, you know,

1:40:44 Speaker 1: and I didn't have that chance to the last time

1:40:46 Speaker 1: I saw him was probably twenty nineteen, and he had

1:40:50 Speaker 1: some family issues and had to go up north and

1:40:52 Speaker 1: where he got COVID, and he died and his kids

1:40:55 Speaker 1: went to school with my kids at Frederick Academy on St.

1:40:59 Speaker 1: Simon's Island in Georgia. But he said, you know, what

1:41:06 Speaker 1: perplexed him was that there was no known life saving

1:41:11 Speaker 1: event that he could think of, even including up to

1:41:14 Speaker 1: a car accident, that anything would be put in there

1:41:18 Speaker 1: or down here to either put in something or take

1:41:22 Speaker 1: out something. He said, in they're exactly the same depth,

1:41:26 Speaker 1: and this in the same size, you know, top the bottom,

1:41:31 Speaker 1: he says, So I find that really odd. You know

1:41:34 Speaker 1: because I told him the whole incident what happened, and

1:41:36 Speaker 1: he just he's like, Holy.

1:41:37 Speaker 3: Car indicates a technology or paradigm well of our medical understand.

1:41:43 Speaker 1: And if you look at this up close under a

1:41:45 Speaker 1: microscope which has been done from or magnifying scope, it

1:41:50 Speaker 1: has a little dimple right right on the top of it,

1:41:52 Speaker 1: like like you drop water and you know, drop a

1:41:55 Speaker 1: rock in water and he goes boop bloop. That little

1:41:57 Speaker 1: dimple is right in the middle of both of them.

1:41:59 Speaker 3: Yep.

1:42:00 Speaker 1: That is really that is really strange. So I don't

1:42:04 Speaker 1: know when these happened. I honestly don't. I don't remember

1:42:07 Speaker 1: healing from them. I didn't say it happened during my

1:42:10 Speaker 1: incident in seventy seven. I don't know where they came from.

1:42:13 Speaker 3: Do you feel like you have a mission associated with

1:42:15 Speaker 3: this interest in pyramids where it's like, you know, at

1:42:20 Speaker 3: the time at which you're you leave this earth, you

1:42:23 Speaker 3: want to accomplish something related to the pyramids.

1:42:28 Speaker 1: Man, that's a great question. Yes, I would like to

1:42:32 Speaker 1: know the answers. I would like to see those tools,

1:42:35 Speaker 1: you know, as as Christopher Dunn says, I would like

1:42:41 Speaker 1: to see those tools. And finally, the admission that they

1:42:46 Speaker 1: had tools far greater than what we ever have imagined.

1:42:50 Speaker 1: And I think just like melting rock in South America

1:42:54 Speaker 1: as so I can say human and so many other

1:42:56 Speaker 1: facilities where these rocks are you know, thirteen sods in

1:43:00 Speaker 1: just an inch and a half and stuck in a hole.

1:43:02 Speaker 1: It's two feet deep all the way through the entire rock.

1:43:05 Speaker 1: How do you do that without softening that stone?

1:43:07 Speaker 3: Do you feel like end the site? Do you feel

1:43:09 Speaker 3: like these sites globally? I feel like this is what

1:43:12 Speaker 3: Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson, I love that guy man,

1:43:15 Speaker 3: Robert Shock, all these guys are kind of getting into

1:43:18 Speaker 3: this idea that maybe a lot of this ancient geological

1:43:22 Speaker 3: you know, architecture, megalithic architecture that's precociously astronomically aligned in

1:43:26 Speaker 3: a way that we don't even understand today, and it

1:43:30 Speaker 3: lines up with you know, Ice age or pre ice

1:43:33 Speaker 3: age certainly, you know kind of vernal equinox. Absolutely, and

1:43:37 Speaker 3: so do you think that a lot of this architecture

1:43:39 Speaker 3: was these were maybe kind of celestial ascent chambers that

1:43:43 Speaker 3: were starts into another world. Sure, and maybe things were

1:43:47 Speaker 3: getting kind of gnarly or cataclysmic and they were portals

1:43:50 Speaker 3: to elsewhere elsewhere.

1:43:52 Speaker 1: Totally believe that.

1:43:53 Speaker 3: Have you ever seen the Netflix show Dark by any chance.

1:43:56 Speaker 1: I've seen some of it, I believe.

1:43:58 Speaker 3: So it involves seeing people around nuclear bases and a

1:44:02 Speaker 3: secret time travel program.

1:44:04 Speaker 1: Oh I got to see that.

1:44:05 Speaker 3: Yeah, you should check it out because I.

1:44:07 Speaker 1: Wish they'd call me. I'd like to know.

1:44:09 Speaker 3: You know, you know, Lawrence Lawrence Bell is about Bell Aircraft.

1:44:13 Speaker 3: So they broke the sound barrier in nineteen forty seven

1:44:17 Speaker 3: x fifteen Chuck Jeger exactly. And so there's an article

1:44:20 Speaker 3: in nineteen fifty six where they're saying we're going to

1:44:22 Speaker 3: beat gravity and it's right around the bend. And Lawrence

1:44:25 Speaker 3: Bell's quote from this article is, we are already working

1:44:29 Speaker 3: with nuclear nuclear fuels to cancel out gravity. And so

1:44:34 Speaker 3: you got to think if if time travel is possible

1:44:37 Speaker 3: at any point in the future, it's probably always been possible, right,

1:44:41 Speaker 3: And so where would we discover some sort of time

1:44:43 Speaker 3: travel program. It would probably be co located with nuclear programs,

1:44:47 Speaker 3: absolutely so, and then how would you affect timelines? You

1:44:51 Speaker 3: might do it with, you know, particular people who represent

1:44:53 Speaker 3: kind of nodes or whatever who get interested in things

1:44:57 Speaker 3: like pyramids after you know their encounters and so do

1:45:00 Speaker 3: you think that you know, that's a possible explanation that

1:45:03 Speaker 3: maybe a future time travel program represents an overlay over

1:45:07 Speaker 3: all of these nuclear sites in a way that somehow,

1:45:10 Speaker 3: you know, might profoundly shift humanity and might also keep

1:45:13 Speaker 3: us alive, because if you think about where is the

1:45:17 Speaker 3: center of the apocalypse, it's these nuclear sites. I mean,

1:45:21 Speaker 3: where what's going to you know, dictate the end of

1:45:24 Speaker 3: the world or not. You know, it's going to be

1:45:26 Speaker 3: these sites, I have no ideas, are crazy speculation, but

1:45:29 Speaker 3: so gravity is is very related with time and general relativity.

1:45:33 Speaker 3: So you know, Lawrence Bell is right, and they're kind

1:45:36 Speaker 3: of using nuclear fuels to cancel out gravity. Maybe you're

1:45:39 Speaker 3: using nuclear fuels to mess with time too.

1:45:42 Speaker 1: It just makes you wonder how much technology that has

1:45:45 Speaker 1: been buried somehow or another has been removed from our

1:45:49 Speaker 1: everyday conscious thought, you know, and why was that removed?

1:45:54 Speaker 1: Do we get so dangerous to ourselves? I mean, unfortunately,

1:45:58 Speaker 1: I wish we weren't so warlike because you don't believe

1:46:02 Speaker 1: something that I believe in, We're supposed to go to

1:46:04 Speaker 1: war over that. I just I just I just dislike

1:46:08 Speaker 1: that so much, you know, and religion, you know, I

1:46:11 Speaker 1: don't want to get into that. But what you believe

1:46:16 Speaker 1: is fine with me, Well, you believe is fine with me.

1:46:20 Speaker 1: What I believe is fine with me? And why can't

1:46:23 Speaker 1: it just be that?

1:46:24 Speaker 3: Do you think that? Yeah?

1:46:26 Speaker 1: No, no, no, I do think that this technology that we're

1:46:30 Speaker 1: speaking of, even though we don't know it truly exists,

1:46:33 Speaker 1: it points to its existence in some way. And one

1:46:36 Speaker 1: day I think we will find the magic key somewhere.

1:46:40 Speaker 1: There's a craft, if it hasn't already been discovered, that's

1:46:43 Speaker 1: sitting in a cave somewhere, or under the ocean somewhere,

1:46:46 Speaker 1: under a ledge somewhere, or maybe even circling the planet

1:46:50 Speaker 1: invisible we can't see we're going to run into one day.

1:46:52 Speaker 1: I don't know.

1:46:53 Speaker 3: Well, maybe it'll happen, or maybe.

1:46:55 Speaker 1: It'll happen sooner or later. And I just hope, I

1:46:58 Speaker 1: honestly do. And I get asked this all the time,

1:47:01 Speaker 1: Well you think they're going to come and defeat us

1:47:06 Speaker 1: and take us over? And my answer is always the same. Look,

1:47:10 Speaker 1: if any civilization that's out there comes here within their

1:47:14 Speaker 1: own lifetime and leaves and goes back in their same lifetime.

1:47:17 Speaker 1: That's ten thousand light years advanced to us. That's what

1:47:20 Speaker 1: Carl Sagan said that bar none, that's just ten thousand

1:47:25 Speaker 1: light years advanced to us. So think about that. We're

1:47:27 Speaker 1: like the ants in an ant bed and they're standing

1:47:29 Speaker 1: in there looking at us. You know, I often think

1:47:32 Speaker 1: about the reverse visualization that night when I was flipping

1:47:35 Speaker 1: the facility lights at that craft, whatever it was at

1:47:39 Speaker 1: the time. To me, what would I have thought in

1:47:41 Speaker 1: my mind had I been up there looking down at

1:47:44 Speaker 1: this rectangular shape sight, somebody's turning off and on the

1:47:49 Speaker 1: lights real quick in succession. Why would I flash back?

1:47:53 Speaker 1: Or wait a minute, how does that person down there

1:47:55 Speaker 1: see us up here? Why would they know that we're

1:47:58 Speaker 1: not supposed to be here or we're just up here observing.

1:48:01 Speaker 1: How will they know that? Do we find out who

1:48:04 Speaker 1: this guy is or a person is I should say,

1:48:07 Speaker 1: or what I don't know? I've done that reverse thing

1:48:10 Speaker 1: a couple of times to try to give answers to myself,

1:48:12 Speaker 1: which always end up, you know, with a zero back

1:48:16 Speaker 1: where I started. But I do want to say that

1:48:18 Speaker 1: where New Lake Reservoir Dam was, it's a Pythagorean triangle.

1:48:26 Speaker 1: From November one, November five, over to New Lake Reservoir

1:48:30 Speaker 1: and back to November one control. I believe based on

1:48:35 Speaker 1: that position of New Liak Reservoir dam, that's where that

1:48:38 Speaker 1: craft was. It was over that body of water when

1:48:40 Speaker 1: I saw it. Why, I don't know, but there's there's

1:48:43 Speaker 1: always some type of there's a lot of sightings over water, yes,

1:48:48 Speaker 1: and the deepest part of that reservoir I think is

1:48:50 Speaker 1: only like forty feet. I could be wrong. It's under

1:48:53 Speaker 1: reconstruction right now because I've been talking about it a

1:48:56 Speaker 1: lot for the last couple of years. I don't know

1:48:57 Speaker 1: if that's done anything. But the people in Nuwell are

1:49:02 Speaker 1: really good and i'd while we were there h doing

1:49:05 Speaker 1: that filming, there were a couple of individuals. We're out

1:49:09 Speaker 1: on Ormond Road, that's the road that November five is

1:49:12 Speaker 1: on into dirt road still today, and there's a golf

1:49:15 Speaker 1: course off to the left side of it. When you

1:49:17 Speaker 1: when you turn out a Newell on the Ormond Road

1:49:21 Speaker 1: in that day, you know, the town's so small that

1:49:23 Speaker 1: when we arrived there early in the morning the film,

1:49:25 Speaker 1: all these people started seeing us, so they you know,

1:49:29 Speaker 1: news travels fast to there, and they're great people. I've

1:49:32 Speaker 1: always I've always had a lot of respect for those folks.

1:49:35 Speaker 1: And great cooks too, great Western Plains cooks. Man, they

1:49:39 Speaker 1: could cook some good food. But uh, you would not

1:49:43 Speaker 1: believe the parade we had going up and down ormand

1:49:45 Speaker 1: Road watching this film. And it was the strangest thing

1:49:48 Speaker 1: because I had not been back to November five since

1:49:51 Speaker 1: that night, and the producer did not want to go

1:49:55 Speaker 1: directly in front of November five sight itself because there's

1:49:59 Speaker 1: now a like a small cattle processing facility on it

1:50:04 Speaker 1: built on it because it's built on the bedrock. And

1:50:06 Speaker 1: when they detonated and collapsed the silos in and returned it,

1:50:10 Speaker 1: they left the fencing and the rock base there. So

1:50:13 Speaker 1: these ranchers used to store hey on or do something

1:50:16 Speaker 1: on their cattle. The fencing is all still there. We

1:50:19 Speaker 1: could have used another site, but instead they went about

1:50:23 Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty yards to the east of the site,

1:50:26 Speaker 1: and we were looking into a plane field. You know,

1:50:32 Speaker 1: while I'm holding up my drawings and the drones over

1:50:35 Speaker 1: my shoulder taking pictures up. I just felt that not

1:50:37 Speaker 1: very good. But when I got out of that vehicle

1:50:41 Speaker 1: and walked toward that site, man, that feeling came over me.

1:50:45 Speaker 1: I went to my knees and hypnosis. When Robert Upson

1:50:52 Speaker 1: finished that hypnosis, something was wrong with me. And about

1:50:55 Speaker 1: four days later I went to my monologist. Uh, and

1:51:02 Speaker 1: I was in aphib and uh so I had to

1:51:07 Speaker 1: go in the next day because my heart was out

1:51:09 Speaker 1: of rhythm. Never had any heart problems whatsoever ever in

1:51:12 Speaker 1: my life. I've always been an athlete. And of course they

1:51:15 Speaker 1: put the patches on and shot me and recinked me.

1:51:20 Speaker 1: I guess and uh, about a week went by and

1:51:24 Speaker 1: I started thinking about this thing over and over again. Boom,

1:51:26 Speaker 1: I went right back in the aphib. So I had

1:51:28 Speaker 1: to go back and do it again. And uh then

1:51:30 Speaker 1: they got me on medication. So I have to take medication,

1:51:34 Speaker 1: you know. And anytime you go in aphib, I guess

1:51:36 Speaker 1: they they put you on a blood dinner.

1:51:38 Speaker 3: Do you regret having done the hypnotic.

1:51:40 Speaker 1: Regrets now because it really gave me some insight, you know,

1:51:43 Speaker 1: and then it made it a lot easier when I

1:51:46 Speaker 1: when I uh did the session just last year or

1:51:49 Speaker 1: year before last with Yvonne Smith in California.

1:51:53 Speaker 3: Do you ever experience weird electromagnetic effects with your body

1:51:57 Speaker 3: or like what sort of stuff.

1:51:59 Speaker 1: Like a light going on, offer something when I walk

1:52:01 Speaker 1: in a room, a fluorescent light, fluorescent light. Yeah, I've

1:52:03 Speaker 1: got a little a little light fixture. It's named Honda.

1:52:07 Speaker 3: Phone's dying quickly, anything like that.

1:52:09 Speaker 1: No, I have had some other strange things go on, though,

1:52:13 Speaker 1: Robert Haysin's I talked about that, with emails vanishing everywhere,

1:52:18 Speaker 1: you know, off the cloud and everywhere else, just wipe clean.

1:52:21 Speaker 1: I've had that happen, as is he. But yeah, I've

1:52:26 Speaker 1: had surbil incidents where that has really bothered me. Then

1:52:29 Speaker 1: the night of December seventeenth, twenty seventeen, my son was

1:52:36 Speaker 1: in his room. He was he was home from from working.

1:52:40 Speaker 1: He was working, he was living in Florida. Came home

1:52:42 Speaker 1: to visit, and it was right at four eleven AM.

1:52:48 Speaker 1: And that's also another thing about waking up at certain

1:52:51 Speaker 1: times of the night. One eleven, three point thirty three,

1:52:54 Speaker 1: four eleven. It's just it's just strange how that, how

1:52:58 Speaker 1: that happens. But I pay attention to it. And I

1:53:05 Speaker 1: have a room in the back of the house because

1:53:06 Speaker 1: I worked twelve hour shifts, so it rotated, so sometimes

1:53:10 Speaker 1: i'd have to, you know, sleep during the day, you know,

1:53:13 Speaker 1: till three pm get up to go in for a

1:53:15 Speaker 1: six pm to six am shift. You know, I said

1:53:17 Speaker 1: it was rotating, so I had to have it darkened

1:53:20 Speaker 1: out so you could sleep. You just guy just can't

1:53:21 Speaker 1: sleep in sunlight. I don't know anybody they can. But uh. Anyway,

1:53:26 Speaker 1: I was, I was there sleeping and had to get

1:53:27 Speaker 1: up for work, and all of a sudden I opened

1:53:33 Speaker 1: my eyes and I had this. I'm standing at the

1:53:36 Speaker 1: foot of my bed. I have I have never been

1:53:38 Speaker 1: a person to sleep walk ever in my life that

1:53:41 Speaker 1: I know, I know ever. And I'm standing at the

1:53:44 Speaker 1: foot of my bed, holding onto my bed frame with

1:53:46 Speaker 1: my right hand, and directly in front of me, there's

1:53:48 Speaker 1: about a four and a half or a five foot

1:53:50 Speaker 1: hold diameter in the north wall of my bedroom, and

1:53:55 Speaker 1: on that in that circle, that vanished immediately, like sparks

1:54:01 Speaker 1: flew off either side of it. It's like, what the anyway,

1:54:07 Speaker 1: as soon as that, as soon as that flashed out

1:54:11 Speaker 1: or went away, all the lights in my house started flickering,

1:54:15 Speaker 1: just all over the house. And then these strange alarms started.

1:54:19 Speaker 1: I started hearing them, and my son popped through my

1:54:22 Speaker 1: door and he goes dad, what the hell is going

1:54:24 Speaker 1: He goes, what's going on? I said, I don't know, son.

1:54:27 Speaker 1: He goes, what's those alarms? And I said, I don't know.

1:54:30 Speaker 1: I grabbed my pistols. I didn't know why I was

1:54:31 Speaker 1: going to clear my house, you know, and uh, which

1:54:34 Speaker 1: I did. I couldn't explain what I just saw and

1:54:39 Speaker 1: hadn't even verbally said anything about it yet. And it

1:54:42 Speaker 1: was just right in front of me. Uh. And mind you,

1:54:45 Speaker 1: just two dressers that were partially that had a that

1:54:49 Speaker 1: were partially gone or in that dark circle that I saw.

1:54:55 Speaker 1: And so I cleared my house and the and I

1:54:58 Speaker 1: go into the kitchen area and all the lights were

1:55:01 Speaker 1: just like just barely on, like they're just like the

1:55:04 Speaker 1: candle light all throughout the house. And the stove, the oven,

1:55:09 Speaker 1: the microwave, and the refrigerator. They have low voltage alarms

1:55:13 Speaker 1: on them, which I never knew. That's what the alarms were.

1:55:17 Speaker 1: They were all going off. So everything seemed to be

1:55:21 Speaker 1: normal other than the fact the lights were on. I

1:55:23 Speaker 1: tried flipping on lights and they wouldn't come on. They

1:55:25 Speaker 1: just come on barely and just flicker for a minute.

1:55:28 Speaker 1: I just turned it back off, you know. But the

1:55:30 Speaker 1: light over the stove. It was doing that. Every light,

1:55:33 Speaker 1: every electrical component in my home was affected. Everything, doorbells

1:55:36 Speaker 1: is some everything. So I went back to talk to

1:55:40 Speaker 1: my son. I said, Jake, I said, what the heck

1:55:43 Speaker 1: was that? Man? He goes, I don't know, Dad, it's weird.

1:55:45 Speaker 1: It's really weird. You can call him and talk to

1:55:47 Speaker 1: him about it. So I said, well, I'll call George

1:55:50 Speaker 1: Power in the morning when I get up, you know.

1:55:53 Speaker 1: So I just put everything down. I laid back down

1:55:56 Speaker 1: and just thinking, you know, what was that? And about

1:56:02 Speaker 1: eight o'clock, my son pops through my door and goes.

1:56:04 Speaker 1: He knocks first, he says, hey, Dad, he goes, George

1:56:06 Speaker 1: Power's here. I said what he said, Yeah, Georgia Power's

1:56:10 Speaker 1: in the front yard. And I live on an acre.

1:56:13 Speaker 1: So to my to the street from my front porch

1:56:16 Speaker 1: is about two hundred feet and uh so I got

1:56:20 Speaker 1: dressed and I hobbled out there, and these guys are

1:56:23 Speaker 1: out there working on the where the power distribution comes

1:56:27 Speaker 1: into my home and it's all underground. My home was

1:56:29 Speaker 1: built in ninety seven. And uh so I found the supervisor.

1:56:34 Speaker 1: I said, I said hey, I said, hoy, you doing sir,

1:56:37 Speaker 1: I said, I told him my name. He goes, it's

1:56:38 Speaker 1: your house and I said, yes, sir. He just looked

1:56:40 Speaker 1: at me and uh, I said, wow is the I said,

1:56:45 Speaker 1: what happened? He goes, he just looked at me and

1:56:48 Speaker 1: he said, uh, well he lost he lost power, lost

1:56:52 Speaker 1: the leg of power. I said, dang, that does that

1:56:55 Speaker 1: mess up the whole neighborhood. He goes, he looked at

1:56:57 Speaker 1: me and he says no. He says, just your house.

1:57:00 Speaker 1: I said, what do you mean. He goes, well, you

1:57:02 Speaker 1: let up our board downtown like the fourth of July

1:57:05 Speaker 1: out here and I said, well, how did I do that?

1:57:09 Speaker 1: We were all asleep? He said, I don't know. He said,

1:57:12 Speaker 1: but we're going to have to replace this leg so

1:57:14 Speaker 1: you have power in your home. He said, come on,

1:57:17 Speaker 1: I'll show you something. They had already taken this big

1:57:19 Speaker 1: dolly and they had like transformer equipment. I've got pictures

1:57:23 Speaker 1: of it, he called Robert Hastings. First thing, they take

1:57:27 Speaker 1: this transformer thing on a dolly, take it to the

1:57:31 Speaker 1: back where my meter is, and they jumper into that

1:57:35 Speaker 1: meter box so to establish power or a what do

1:57:39 Speaker 1: you call it? To refine the power going in my

1:57:44 Speaker 1: home Instead Instead of just two legs, it gives it

1:57:48 Speaker 1: a third leg. Somehow it converts it, and I don't

1:57:50 Speaker 1: know how that works, but I got pictures of it,

1:57:52 Speaker 1: and he said, you'll be fine too. We can come

1:57:53 Speaker 1: out and replace that wire. And he took them about

1:57:57 Speaker 1: two days, three days, and they were back and they

1:58:00 Speaker 1: did it. But uh, I just kept questioning what I

1:58:04 Speaker 1: had seen and what had happened and why that happened,

1:58:07 Speaker 1: and ours was the only house affected. A couple of

1:58:11 Speaker 1: weeks later, one of our neighbor's kids come by to

1:58:15 Speaker 1: my son used to play with. He stopped his truck.

1:58:18 Speaker 1: He's got an F one fifty. He says, hey, mister Woods,

1:58:21 Speaker 1: and he's been in my backyard. These kids had had parties.

1:58:23 Speaker 1: They all shot bows and arrows together, bb guns, name it.

1:58:26 Speaker 1: You know, we do all that stuff, ride motorcycles. He goes, hey,

1:58:30 Speaker 1: mister Woods. He said, I was cutting my grass and

1:58:32 Speaker 1: he waved at me, and I stopped, and I stopped

1:58:35 Speaker 1: and he stopped and he goes, hey, what was going

1:58:38 Speaker 1: on there last week or so when all those lights

1:58:41 Speaker 1: were in your backyard? And I said, what are you

1:58:43 Speaker 1: talking about? He just he didn't hesitated for a second.

1:58:46 Speaker 1: He goes, he goes, your backyard was lit up like

1:58:49 Speaker 1: a Hollywood set or something. He said, like those great

1:58:52 Speaker 1: big lights they say, up in the air. And he says,

1:58:54 Speaker 1: the whole backyard was lit up. I said, what do

1:58:57 Speaker 1: you mean, man? He said, yeah, o'clock in the morning.

1:59:00 Speaker 1: He was leaving for work. That's how he saw that.

1:59:03 Speaker 1: And I said, well, you know, I've only got two

1:59:05 Speaker 1: spotlights right there in the corner of that room outside

1:59:08 Speaker 1: And I said, uh, and on the corner of the

1:59:11 Speaker 1: back and the lights over the on the rear patio.

1:59:14 Speaker 1: You know. He goes, I don't know, but it was

1:59:16 Speaker 1: lit up like you wouldn't believe. And I just I

1:59:19 Speaker 1: just kept it to myself. I said, man, what did happen? Really?

1:59:24 Speaker 1: So what would they what interest could they possibly they

1:59:30 Speaker 1: would have in you know, in a sixty five year

1:59:33 Speaker 1: old manner or whatever age I was at that time,

1:59:37 Speaker 1: What could they possibly want? I mean, what do you think?

1:59:40 Speaker 1: I have no idea, I honestly don't have a clue.

1:59:43 Speaker 3: What do you think? What do you hope the world

1:59:45 Speaker 3: gets from your testimony?

1:59:48 Speaker 1: Understanding perhaps or the possibility of uh perhaps not to

1:59:57 Speaker 1: fear as much and not to think that they're here

2:00:03 Speaker 1: to defeat us because they were we wouldn't be having

2:00:06 Speaker 1: this conversation right now. They had done it long ago.

2:00:10 Speaker 3: Anyhow do you think they're hybridizing themselves with us?

2:00:14 Speaker 1: Could very well be depends upon their maybe their situation

2:00:19 Speaker 1: on their own planet. Maybe they're overcrowded perhaps, or there

2:00:23 Speaker 1: something's dying there, or progression through space, you know, you

2:00:27 Speaker 1: can't always get back to the starting point, you know,

2:00:30 Speaker 1: maybe they have to occupy worlds along the way in

2:00:33 Speaker 1: their great expansion.

2:00:35 Speaker 3: Well, it sounds like even on Ellsworth that it was

2:00:37 Speaker 3: kind of an open secret that, you know, a lot

2:00:39 Speaker 3: of people had had some interesting experiences before you. Mario,

2:00:44 Speaker 3: do you think you know? I was talking with Robert Hastings,

2:00:46 Speaker 3: and you know, he was noting that he had one

2:00:49 Speaker 3: hundred and sixty seven ICPM security personnel, radar operators, guys

2:00:53 Speaker 3: on basis like yourself who've experienced crafts. And then I

2:00:57 Speaker 3: remember I asked him, I was like, you know, Robert,

2:01:00 Speaker 3: what percentage of these people have had close encounters of

2:01:02 Speaker 3: the third kind where they've actually met beings? And he

2:01:05 Speaker 3: said something like seven or eight. But then he said,

2:01:07 Speaker 3: I didn't ask anybody. Those are the people that volunteered.

2:01:10 Speaker 3: And I think about the culture of secrecy and humility

2:01:14 Speaker 3: when it comes to working at you know, nuclear bases.

2:01:17 Speaker 3: If you have seven or eight people who you're just

2:01:19 Speaker 3: incidentally finding out are having, you know, close encounters of

2:01:23 Speaker 3: the third kind and actually seeing beings, it's probably over

2:01:26 Speaker 3: one hundred. It's of the one hundred and seventy, it's

2:01:29 Speaker 3: probably you know, a massive you know.

2:01:31 Speaker 1: And never alone, always with a partner. You're never alone

2:01:35 Speaker 1: in any nuclear facility. It's a two man rule that

2:01:40 Speaker 1: has to be two of you at all times.

2:01:41 Speaker 3: Are there other cases like yours that you've found out

2:01:44 Speaker 3: about where the partner sort of seems to disappear or

2:01:47 Speaker 3: go miss.

2:01:47 Speaker 1: In Terry Lovelace in his partner, Toby.

2:01:51 Speaker 3: Because Terry's still around, right, oh yeah, yeah, he's a

2:01:54 Speaker 3: great guy, but Toby's gone.

2:01:55 Speaker 1: Toby's gone. Terry told me that he literally he never

2:01:59 Speaker 1: fully recovered out there their incident. He was not on duty.

2:02:02 Speaker 1: They were simply on a camping trip.

2:02:04 Speaker 3: And is Toby like in some facility, mental health facility,

2:02:08 Speaker 3: or is he just like no no trace of him.

2:02:11 Speaker 3: Terry can't even find him.

2:02:12 Speaker 1: No, no, no, he was available. And of course the VA

2:02:16 Speaker 1: they were given him, you know whatever, pills or whatever

2:02:20 Speaker 1: to help his anxiety. And from my understanding, he had

2:02:26 Speaker 1: a really bad drinking problem from that period of time

2:02:29 Speaker 1: and some people, I guess that's the way it affects,

2:02:33 Speaker 1: and it's really quite sad. And he was a real

2:02:38 Speaker 1: light skinned black guy also, and we talk about that

2:02:40 Speaker 1: correlation between us and our partners. And it happened the

2:02:43 Speaker 1: same year also in that movie Close Encounters the Third

2:02:46 Speaker 1: Kind came out. I went to see it in Rapid

2:02:49 Speaker 1: City at the theater you know on Main Street still

2:02:53 Speaker 1: there today or the building is. I'm not sure if

2:02:56 Speaker 1: the theater is or not, but I think it is.

2:02:59 Speaker 1: And that part where Roy Neary is crossing the railroad

2:03:05 Speaker 1: tracks and he's looking at the map, got the flashlight

2:03:08 Speaker 1: in his mouth and that light pops on. If you'll notice,

2:03:12 Speaker 1: during that period of time, his body it was as

2:03:15 Speaker 1: if he was being whatever he was hearing or feeling

2:03:20 Speaker 1: was talking to him or programming him on the inside.

2:03:23 Speaker 1: He's literally he's doing some kind of a weird i

2:03:31 Speaker 1: should say, receiving of whatever is giving him. And you

2:03:37 Speaker 1: can see it and he portrays it very well, and

2:03:39 Speaker 1: it really made me think a lot because when I

2:03:41 Speaker 1: saw that movie, it is as if what's going on

2:03:43 Speaker 1: in the missile field right now, not just to me,

2:03:45 Speaker 1: but to these craft are out there, there's cattle mutilations

2:03:48 Speaker 1: going on. Lendham Moldenhouse in the area. I tried contacting

2:03:52 Speaker 1: her in like twenty might have been before that, but

2:03:55 Speaker 1: she got my email in or twenty fourteen. I'd sent

2:03:58 Speaker 1: something to her, and she worked at a station in Denver, Colorado,

2:04:04 Speaker 1: was you know, like I don't know if she was

2:04:06 Speaker 1: in what kind of news she did, but she was

2:04:08 Speaker 1: investigating cattle relations all throughout the northwest where we were,

2:04:13 Speaker 1: and of course we were told not to speak to

2:04:15 Speaker 1: any media people whatsoever. But the point is that when

2:04:21 Speaker 1: he underwent what he did under that light before that

2:04:25 Speaker 1: craft let him go, it seemed to put something in

2:04:28 Speaker 1: his mind which really struck me. Before it stopped, you know,

2:04:32 Speaker 1: and moved. I had to literally get up out of

2:04:34 Speaker 1: my seat and I ran out and sat on the

2:04:37 Speaker 1: curb on main Street in Rapid City because what I

2:04:41 Speaker 1: just saw felt as if it was a direct replay

2:04:45 Speaker 1: of what I just went through, only a little bit different,

2:04:48 Speaker 1: where you know, the craft was above him and these

2:04:51 Speaker 1: little guys came up to the side of our vehicle.

2:04:55 Speaker 1: Just that, just like that, and it's really hard to

2:05:00 Speaker 1: deal with.

2:05:01 Speaker 3: We often it feels like the earbones are messed with

2:05:05 Speaker 3: the bones dealing with balance and orientation, and then this

2:05:10 Speaker 3: is an interesting kind of connection around them checking your teeth.

2:05:14 Speaker 3: My buddy made a documentary on this guy, Andre Pooharich.

2:05:17 Speaker 3: Pooharich helped start the mk ultrip program. So it's like

2:05:20 Speaker 3: CIA lobbying guy was is he? I think he was

2:05:24 Speaker 3: read something about a guy with that name. I'm pretty

2:05:27 Speaker 3: sure I did. Yeah, he's either he's like, yeah, Eastern

2:05:30 Speaker 3: European or Russian. Yeah, maybe maybe Yugoslavian. And yeah, he's

2:05:35 Speaker 3: at Northwestern and he had you know, the Roundtable Institute

2:05:38 Speaker 3: at Gain where they were sort of summoning stuff. And

2:05:41 Speaker 3: then he was also he had this actually school of

2:05:44 Speaker 3: space children in upstate New York where he was you know,

2:05:48 Speaker 3: studying all sorts of telepathy and download channeling. Actually the

2:05:51 Speaker 3: book Star Trek came. He had this one channel er

2:05:55 Speaker 3: named Phyllis Schaeffer and she wrote a book called The

2:05:59 Speaker 3: Only Planet Choice that was channeled and she was in

2:06:02 Speaker 3: communication with the nine quote unquote, which is this council

2:06:05 Speaker 3: of you know, possible et beings. They were talking about

2:06:08 Speaker 3: the earth as a bottleneck of consciousness. We have to

2:06:10 Speaker 3: get past this bottleneck in order to ascend whatever fascinating stuff.

2:06:15 Speaker 3: But interestingly, Pooharich found this guy who was sort of

2:06:21 Speaker 3: schizophrenic and he was hearing voices in his head, but

2:06:24 Speaker 3: it almost sounded like the voices he was hearing were

2:06:26 Speaker 3: similar to like what somebody would describe in an alien

2:06:29 Speaker 3: telepathy experience where they were getting he was getting kind

2:06:33 Speaker 3: of immediate downloads. And Pooharts was studying him and they

2:06:37 Speaker 3: realized he was a construction worker and he was working

2:06:40 Speaker 3: with you know, sawing metals or whatever, and so they

2:06:43 Speaker 3: found these fine you know metals in his teeth and

2:06:48 Speaker 3: that somehow and Pooharj's belief was that extremely low frequency

2:06:54 Speaker 3: radio waves were actually responsible for thought in a way

2:06:58 Speaker 3: that's upstream or connected with the acoustical waves that represent

2:07:02 Speaker 3: our normal cognition.

2:07:04 Speaker 1: Wow.

2:07:04 Speaker 3: And so maybe they were checking your teeth either because

2:07:08 Speaker 3: they were worried that you were already receiving downloads or

2:07:11 Speaker 3: like in touch prior to this experience, or because they

2:07:15 Speaker 3: thought the implant where they would communicate with you on

2:07:18 Speaker 3: a go forward basis might be there.

2:07:21 Speaker 1: Wow, I've never even thought of it that way. I

2:07:25 Speaker 1: some people said they were looking at you maybe for

2:07:28 Speaker 1: radioattic contamination or something like that.

2:07:31 Speaker 3: You might be right.

2:07:32 Speaker 1: I mean that really does make sense, man, I mean

2:07:35 Speaker 1: you got to look at it all. You can't you

2:07:36 Speaker 1: can't discount anything because you're dealing with the technology that

2:07:41 Speaker 1: don't sit on couches. You know that that can speak

2:07:45 Speaker 1: full volumes through your cellular work in your body. Yeah,

2:07:50 Speaker 1: they don't need to communicate. I mean they have not.

2:07:52 Speaker 1: That's something that's their brain is so far past that. Yeah,

2:07:56 Speaker 1: they don't have to speak words to you, and their

2:07:59 Speaker 1: language is probably where we say an umlan Like there's

2:08:06 Speaker 1: none of that in that. Yeah, they have in those conversation.

2:08:08 Speaker 1: It's direct rude access and you never ever will forget

2:08:12 Speaker 1: that feeling and that sound. Ever.

2:08:15 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's almost like we have this meme library that

2:08:18 Speaker 3: was like is installed or something you look at like

2:08:21 Speaker 3: Descartes demon like. Maybe that's actually more true than where

2:08:25 Speaker 3: the Cartesian three D time bound plane is sort of

2:08:29 Speaker 3: controlled at least as far as the veneer that we

2:08:32 Speaker 3: see and the shade the shades of that we're seeing

2:08:36 Speaker 3: shadow of play of something higher, and that's something higher

2:08:40 Speaker 3: might community be able to communicate on a much more

2:08:42 Speaker 3: direct level level and also be able to shade or

2:08:48 Speaker 3: you know, in Plato you have like you know, it's like,

2:08:51 Speaker 3: don't trust your senses, right right, you have to contemplate

2:08:54 Speaker 3: virtue and you can ascend out of the lower world

2:08:56 Speaker 3: or whatever. There's much more and yeah, and and you

2:09:04 Speaker 3: forget your primordial self. And maybe in experiences like this

2:09:07 Speaker 3: you sort of, you know, you get back in touch

2:09:09 Speaker 3: with it. But maybe maybe some of these beings are Yeah,

2:09:13 Speaker 3: you know. I was at help put off his house

2:09:14 Speaker 3: not too long ago, and on his bookshelf he had

2:09:17 Speaker 3: this book called Daemonic Reality, and it was like, you know,

2:09:21 Speaker 3: like I don't know. I got to read the book,

2:09:22 Speaker 3: but it feels like the implication is like our low

2:09:25 Speaker 3: level reality is kind of controlled by some sort of

2:09:28 Speaker 3: you know, gnostic traditions. You might call it like a

2:09:30 Speaker 3: demi urge. Sure, where we're not seeing you know, ultimate reality.

2:09:36 Speaker 1: I think in Lou's book, I found the part where

2:09:39 Speaker 1: he talks about some of his superiors where they had

2:09:42 Speaker 1: this demonic uh direction, thinking these things were.

2:09:49 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's called the Collins Elite.

2:09:52 Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, you know, versus where lou was and his thinking,

2:09:57 Speaker 1: which I agree with one hundred percent. I've been to

2:10:00 Speaker 1: that several times. Well, you know, these are just demons.

2:10:02 Speaker 1: These are just angels and demons, you know, all right, Well,

2:10:05 Speaker 1: what's your definition definition of an angel? In my book?

2:10:11 Speaker 1: I mean, I would just look at somebody that says that.

2:10:13 Speaker 1: You know, I'm not saying it doesn't exist. You know,

2:10:16 Speaker 1: I'm serious. And I've seen something in my time too,

2:10:20 Speaker 1: after our mother passed away, and that really an apparition,

2:10:26 Speaker 1: I'll just say. And it was my mother's apparition, and

2:10:29 Speaker 1: my brothers both saw it, and and that established me.

2:10:35 Speaker 1: You know, that night, I said, and we all talked

2:10:38 Speaker 1: about it, our mama was standing in that kitchen in

2:10:41 Speaker 1: a lightning storm. Her figure was there, not her face,

2:10:45 Speaker 1: but her figure was there. And at two o'clock in

2:10:49 Speaker 1: the morning on a thunderstorm night in Tampa, Florida, a

2:10:51 Speaker 1: couple of days after she died. And that's the truth.

2:10:53 Speaker 1: But I totally agree with what you what you're just

2:10:57 Speaker 1: saying there, because I think that I always associated to

2:11:02 Speaker 1: when you're in your mother's womb and your and your

2:11:05 Speaker 1: dad or your mom or your one of your aunts

2:11:07 Speaker 1: been down, or your brother's future brother or sister leans

2:11:11 Speaker 1: down and starts talking to you, and you're in your

2:11:13 Speaker 1: mother's womb. You know, baby hears that? That to me

2:11:20 Speaker 1: directly related to what I kept hearing do not Fear that.

2:11:25 Speaker 1: I recognized it, And the accent on that voice sounded

2:11:31 Speaker 1: as if something off of what was that Hogwarts or

2:11:39 Speaker 1: what or what do you call it? Yeah, Harry Potter,

2:11:43 Speaker 1: when that snake is talking to him like that, that's

2:11:46 Speaker 1: the way those works, That's the way those words roll

2:11:51 Speaker 1: you like. I can't even do it, do not fear,

2:11:53 Speaker 1: do not fear and elongated out, not just those words,

2:11:58 Speaker 1: how short I will and do not fear? And I

2:12:01 Speaker 1: still can't do it right. But it gets to every

2:12:05 Speaker 1: part of you in description, it gets to every party.

2:12:09 Speaker 1: You just feel it radiate through you.

2:12:12 Speaker 3: And before joining Ellsworth Air Force Base, what was kind

2:12:15 Speaker 3: of your motivation? Why'd you get into this?

2:12:18 Speaker 1: Honestly, I should have probably gone in the navy. My

2:12:21 Speaker 1: father was a merchant seaman and he sailed with Texaco,

2:12:24 Speaker 1: sailed all of his life, seeing USOS. He was in

2:12:30 Speaker 1: an car accident in seventy three and lost his life.

2:12:33 Speaker 1: And I just turned seventeen years old when that happened,

2:12:38 Speaker 1: So it literally changed the entire configuration of my family

2:12:42 Speaker 1: and my thoughts prior to I wanted to go to

2:12:45 Speaker 1: the Maritime Institute. I think it was in some part

2:12:48 Speaker 1: of Connecticut. I could be mistaken, and I wanted to

2:12:51 Speaker 1: become a captain. I didn't want to be a chief

2:12:53 Speaker 1: engineer because I saw how dirty my dad would get,

2:12:56 Speaker 1: or I'd go down to an engine room of a

2:12:58 Speaker 1: ship that he was on at port and see him

2:13:00 Speaker 1: climbing up out of a cylinder of a of an engine.

2:13:04 Speaker 1: So you know, the size of these things are massive,

2:13:06 Speaker 1: and I always respected that a great deal. But for me,

2:13:11 Speaker 1: growing up in South Florida and a long beach and

2:13:14 Speaker 1: other places, I always had this aspiration for things that flew.

2:13:18 Speaker 1: So whenever the Cape was launching and that kind of thing,

2:13:21 Speaker 1: I always went outside, either to see him or go

2:13:23 Speaker 1: with a bunch of friends go to Cape pin Averl to,

2:13:25 Speaker 1: you know, to watch a rocket launch. And originally I

2:13:28 Speaker 1: didn't want to go. I wouldn't even think about security police.

2:13:32 Speaker 1: But uh, I'm colorblind. And after I had passed all

2:13:36 Speaker 1: the tests to work on rocket engines, because I thought

2:13:39 Speaker 1: NASA is my goal. Right. I was in the hallway

2:13:43 Speaker 1: at the AFIES station in Jacksonville, just a young guy,

2:13:45 Speaker 1: long hair down the here and this little staff s

2:13:50 Speaker 1: artist she came running up to me. She goes, mister Woods.

2:13:52 Speaker 1: She goes, we got to talk to you for a minute.

2:13:54 Speaker 1: And I said, what is it. You know, I was

2:13:56 Speaker 1: ready to go. I was going to go back home

2:13:57 Speaker 1: to Tampa.

2:13:59 Speaker 3: Uh.

2:14:00 Speaker 1: And she told me, she goes, h, I need you

2:14:03 Speaker 1: to talk to somebody, and I said, okay. So I

2:14:05 Speaker 1: went back with her in this office and there was

2:14:08 Speaker 1: this gentleman standing there and I think he was like

2:14:10 Speaker 1: a tech sergeant. He's six seven somewhere around there. And

2:14:13 Speaker 1: he goes, mister Woods, because I need you to look

2:14:15 Speaker 1: at some things. And he opens up this sample book

2:14:18 Speaker 1: like you would go pick out carpet, you know, all

2:14:20 Speaker 1: these different colors of carpet, but it was wiring. And

2:14:23 Speaker 1: he said, show me the purple and yellow intertwined wire.

2:14:29 Speaker 1: And I just looked, you know, and really I couldn't

2:14:32 Speaker 1: do it. And he let me do that two or

2:14:35 Speaker 1: three times, and he goes, that's why you can't wire

2:14:38 Speaker 1: a rocket engine. So it made perfect sense to me,

2:14:41 Speaker 1: So of course I did score good on my ass Baptists.

2:14:45 Speaker 1: So she asked me if i'd be interested in some

2:14:47 Speaker 1: other things, and I said, sure, let's have a look.

2:14:49 Speaker 1: So they had video tapes back then, and I looked

2:14:54 Speaker 1: at a couple of them, and then I saw these

2:14:55 Speaker 1: guys repelling out of a helicopter, you know, fully clothed,

2:14:58 Speaker 1: fully armed, you know, and came out on fast ropes.

2:15:01 Speaker 1: And I said, and they had berets on their head.

2:15:03 Speaker 1: And I said, that's what I want to do. So

2:15:05 Speaker 1: that's I ended up in security police. Wow, and loved it.

2:15:08 Speaker 3: So you want to be a rocket scientist, Well.

2:15:10 Speaker 1: I wanted to do engines. Rocket engines, yes, I have.

2:15:13 Speaker 3: That's a tough job.

2:15:15 Speaker 1: I used to always launch rockets growing up as a kid,

2:15:17 Speaker 1: did you Yeah, they were ninety eight cents for you know,

2:15:20 Speaker 1: these little rocket engines and those fuselages were all made

2:15:23 Speaker 1: out of like a paper towel rolls or something.

2:15:27 Speaker 3: What do you think sparked your early interest in rockets

2:15:30 Speaker 3: and space?

2:15:33 Speaker 1: I'm sure that what I saw in nineteen sixty one

2:15:36 Speaker 1: at d Queen Elementary School in Port Arthur, Texas had

2:15:39 Speaker 1: something to do with it.

2:15:41 Speaker 3: Where'd you see in nineteen sixty one?

2:15:43 Speaker 1: My mother was taking me to my first grade school,

2:15:49 Speaker 1: which was d Queen Elementary, and we were about the

2:15:53 Speaker 1: fifth or the seventh car back in line, and I'm

2:15:56 Speaker 1: on the passenger side, in the front seat, no seat belt.

2:15:59 Speaker 1: We didn't do that back then. My sister was in

2:16:01 Speaker 1: the back seat. Of course, my mother's driving, and she

2:16:04 Speaker 1: stopped short of the car in front of her and

2:16:06 Speaker 1: she says, look, Anthony, look at those flying saucers. When's

2:16:10 Speaker 1: the last time your mother ever said something like that

2:16:12 Speaker 1: to you. I mean, I'm just six years old, five

2:16:16 Speaker 1: and a half six years old, and I just couldn't

2:16:19 Speaker 1: even fathom what she said. And they were right over

2:16:22 Speaker 1: a church, just maybe twenty five to fifty feet in

2:16:25 Speaker 1: the air, and there were three of them. They were beautiful,

2:16:28 Speaker 1: prettiest craft have seen in my life. I can picture

2:16:30 Speaker 1: them in my mind right now. My sister and I

2:16:32 Speaker 1: talk about it all the time. And the thing that

2:16:36 Speaker 1: struck me was they were there long enough to where

2:16:38 Speaker 1: I kind of did a really strange scan looking around

2:16:41 Speaker 1: at people. Always kind of anything worth memorizes, and memorizing

2:16:45 Speaker 1: is worth looking around for a moment to take a

2:16:48 Speaker 1: quick mental picture of it. If that explains that. But

2:16:51 Speaker 1: we had a playground directly across from the school that

2:16:54 Speaker 1: the road was blocked off, and all the kids, everybody

2:16:57 Speaker 1: met out there before class time. Every eye and arm

2:17:02 Speaker 1: and hand and pointer finger was pointing in the air

2:17:05 Speaker 1: and then looking back to the left at the side

2:17:08 Speaker 1: of the school. We didn't have ac back then, so

2:17:11 Speaker 1: the windows were always open. There were people. It was

2:17:13 Speaker 1: like a four maybe five story building at the time.

2:17:16 Speaker 1: It's been since rebuilt, but anyway, all these people were

2:17:21 Speaker 1: pointing out the windows, and the grades went from kindergarten

2:17:25 Speaker 1: to twelfth grade there, so everybody and including teachers, were

2:17:29 Speaker 1: looking outside. And the strangest part about it it was

2:17:33 Speaker 1: over the directly over this church that sat right on

2:17:36 Speaker 1: the corner of the Queen Boulevard, and the schools here

2:17:40 Speaker 1: and the church was there, so they were just right

2:17:43 Speaker 1: here and we were right there next to it. And

2:17:46 Speaker 1: my mom she opens her door and steps out, and

2:17:48 Speaker 1: my sister I remember her saying, Mom, I'm scared. She says,

2:17:51 Speaker 1: it'll be okay, Honnie. They're not here to hurt you.

2:17:54 Speaker 1: That's what she said, and I grabbed her by the

2:17:56 Speaker 1: other hand. We were hanging there watching them, you know,

2:17:58 Speaker 1: and probably washing them for a good couple of minutes.

2:18:01 Speaker 1: And they were white silver Craft standard saucer configuration with

2:18:07 Speaker 1: a dome on top and a dome on the bottom,

2:18:10 Speaker 1: but they had these lights. It went around the outer

2:18:12 Speaker 1: rim of it, and they were all and they were

2:18:15 Speaker 1: all synchronized, and it was extremely fast. It was so

2:18:19 Speaker 1: much to take in as something you've never seen or

2:18:23 Speaker 1: it couldn't even know existed, but it felt so normal.

2:18:27 Speaker 1: It looked so normal, like somebody was checking in on us,

2:18:30 Speaker 1: if that's the word. And when they left, it was

2:18:35 Speaker 1: all at one time, straight up. If there would been clouds,

2:18:38 Speaker 1: they'd have punched holes through those clouds and they were

2:18:41 Speaker 1: just gone. It just literally just went from that big

2:18:44 Speaker 1: around to this big round and out of your sight.

2:18:48 Speaker 1: And the strangest part about that, everybody on that playground

2:18:53 Speaker 1: and in the school in school, nobody said a word about.

2:18:56 Speaker 1: Everybody went right back to what they were doing and

2:18:59 Speaker 1: never mentioned it all day long.

2:19:01 Speaker 3: Have you talked to any of the witnesses since since.

2:19:03 Speaker 1: No other than my sister, my mother since passed long ago,

2:19:06 Speaker 1: but uh uh part off for textas is a long time,

2:19:10 Speaker 1: a long time ago, but uh, I've never forgotten that.

2:19:15 Speaker 1: So it's really really something that's remarkable.

2:19:19 Speaker 3: Did you feel changed after that.

2:19:20 Speaker 1: At all or in some way? My sister and I

2:19:25 Speaker 1: talked about it. I just think the visualization of it

2:19:27 Speaker 1: and what he could possibly mean to a six year

2:19:29 Speaker 1: old definitely has in, you know, changing effects on what

2:19:34 Speaker 1: you've known forever. You know, not questioning God because I

2:19:37 Speaker 1: believe in God and uh and and and my Savior,

2:19:41 Speaker 1: but I I it just changes you. It it opens

2:19:45 Speaker 1: your eyes or your mind into what is or could be.

2:19:50 Speaker 3: And that might have gotten you interested in space and

2:19:53 Speaker 3: rock possibly that sort of thing.

2:19:54 Speaker 1: Yeah. Interesting, I don't think that. I don't think they

2:19:57 Speaker 1: come without a reason. I if I can just say that,

2:20:00 Speaker 1: I think I think they have great effects. And there

2:20:04 Speaker 1: seems to be this thing with the number three. What

2:20:08 Speaker 1: it could mean, I don't know. I know, I know

2:20:10 Speaker 1: Tesla had a real strange thing concerning the number three,

2:20:13 Speaker 1: and I've read a lot about him.

2:20:17 Speaker 3: Well, it's yeah, it's a sort of Jesus died at

2:20:19 Speaker 3: thirty three. Alexander the Great died at thirty three. See

2:20:22 Speaker 3: in freemasonry of thirty three levels.

2:20:25 Speaker 2: Why do you think, why do you think that it's

2:20:27 Speaker 2: such a it's such a like a life changing event,

2:20:30 Speaker 2: that seems pretty as a pretty bizarre that people won't

2:20:33 Speaker 2: especially sixty one one.

2:20:34 Speaker 3: You haven't seen that anything.

2:20:36 Speaker 1: In the sky. No ever, other than aircraft with propellers.

2:20:40 Speaker 1: There were no jets, you know at the time. I

2:20:43 Speaker 1: flew on a bunch of them, so even at a

2:20:45 Speaker 1: young age. But yeah, that's very true. I al, I

2:20:49 Speaker 1: always wonder if just being in the proximity of these things,

2:20:54 Speaker 1: if they're if they're pulsing or emanating some type of

2:21:00 Speaker 1: some type of not energy but a wave, or something

2:21:06 Speaker 1: that might be inducing to humankind. Uh, maybe in the

2:21:11 Speaker 1: thought of them or or or some some kind of idea. Uh.

2:21:17 Speaker 1: I don't ever, very few people that I've spoken with

2:21:20 Speaker 1: or call me have ever run from a craft or

2:21:25 Speaker 1: if they've seen one up close and personal. But it

2:21:30 Speaker 1: just amazes me that it just seems to be the

2:21:34 Speaker 1: normal thing when a person does see it, and then

2:21:37 Speaker 1: they later recollect and know it's something different now you

2:21:40 Speaker 1: know about it, like that feels so shocking. So you

2:21:45 Speaker 1: have you're two young kids. Uh, she had seen things before,

2:21:48 Speaker 1: she said, and uh, and she literally didn't elaborate on

2:21:52 Speaker 1: any of it, but she said she had seen things

2:21:54 Speaker 1: before in Rocky Mountain, North Carolina growing up as a

2:21:57 Speaker 1: as a kid. And of course my father was from

2:22:00 Speaker 1: Naca Hoon, Duras, and he's seen so many things I

2:22:03 Speaker 1: can't even in the in the jungles and in the ocean.

2:22:07 Speaker 1: And he used to always tell me of, you know,

2:22:10 Speaker 1: an entire crew of twenty nine or thirty men seeing

2:22:13 Speaker 1: something exit