"UFO Whistleblower Jake Barber: 'I’d Testify Under Oath' – Shocking Claims About Crash Retrievals" SPECIAL PRESENTATION
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Speaker 2: Do you believe that our government is in possession of the agents?
Speaker 4: Absolutely?
Speaker 5: Welcome to tonight's episode of the Total Disclosure Podcast.
Speaker 4: My name is Ti and I.
Speaker 5: Am the host and creator, and we're going to be
Speaker 5: having a special presentation with the full interview from Jake Barber,
Speaker 5: who is a UFO crash retrieval whistleblower who recently came
Speaker 5: out on a special via News Nation and Ross Coltart.
Speaker 5: This is a special presentation, the full interview unedited.
Speaker 1: My name is Jacob Barber and For the last thirty years,
Speaker 1: I've worked for the US government and its private partners
Speaker 1: in both an official capacity as an enlisted man in
Speaker 1: the United States Air Force and in a nonofficial capacity
Speaker 1: for the broader intelligence community as a contractor. Over the
Speaker 1: last three decades, my work has been very diverse and
Speaker 1: has included the recovery of downed UAP of non human origin.
Speaker 1: I am pleased to share that as of a couple
Speaker 1: weeks ago, I have fulfilled a promise to our friend
Speaker 1: David Grush by getting myself into a skiff with Congress,
Speaker 1: and I have provided top secret sci testimony on the
Speaker 1: subject matter of UAP. With this behind us, I'm pleased
Speaker 1: to be at a place where I can share information
Speaker 1: with the public. The type of information I can share
Speaker 1: will be limited by my adopt serve restrictions and personal
Speaker 1: restrictions I have sat in order to protect the privacy
Speaker 1: and quality of life of my friend's family and colleagues.
Speaker 1: So with that, let's top.
Speaker 4: So, Jake, You've just made an historic revelation that we
Speaker 4: are not alone? How did it feel?
Speaker 1: Felt? Pretty good? Actually, get that off my chest.
Speaker 4: You've lived with this secret for how long?
Speaker 1: You could say more than a decade.
Speaker 4: So let's roll back. Let's tell the story of Jake Barber. Okay,
Speaker 4: you say you were an enlisted man and then you
Speaker 4: ended up working for the intelligence community as a contractor.
Speaker 4: Tell me that story. How did that happen?
Speaker 1: Well? In high school, I was seventeen years old. I
Speaker 1: was prospected into a program and enlistment program. It was
Speaker 1: a guaranteed enlistment or guaranteed training enlistment program contract for
Speaker 1: a specific career field at the time called combat control
Speaker 1: career field is still called that. The contract was unique
Speaker 1: at the time. It was a ten year commitment to
Speaker 1: Air Force Special Operations. I finished my screening for that
Speaker 1: program and September of nineteen ninety four, I shipped off
Speaker 1: to Air Force basic training. Upon completion of that, I
Speaker 1: went to a place known as Operating Location Hotel. This
Speaker 1: was a Air Force Special Operations selection. I completed selection
Speaker 1: roughly four months later and then entered into what is
Speaker 1: known as the pipeline. The pipeline is a approximately a
Speaker 1: two year specialized training schedule where you go to a
Speaker 1: number of schools. At a certain point my pipeline, I
Speaker 1: was approached by some individuals who had a discussion with
Speaker 1: me and convinced me it might be a good idea
Speaker 1: to consider becoming an airplane mechanic.
Speaker 4: Was that to be your cover?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 4: Yes, Because I noticed your DD two one four, which
Speaker 4: is your release discharge document from the US Air Force
Speaker 4: which you've provided US. It says you're an aerospace mechanic.
Speaker 4: I was.
Speaker 1: I was a mechanic. I spent a lot of time
Speaker 1: on the flight line at Polp Air Force Base and
Speaker 1: an obscure maintenance sharp known as the DASH twenty one
Speaker 1: du rail sharp, and I spent a lot of time there.
Speaker 1: They may cover capacity and I worked tired.
Speaker 4: You're constrained very heavily, aren't you by what's called a
Speaker 4: Defense Office Pre Publication Security review. Correct, And that's called
Speaker 4: ADOPSA for sure. Yes, And if you accidentally or deliberately
Speaker 4: reveal information that they've told you that you're not allowed
Speaker 4: to reveal, you can go to jail.
Speaker 1: For the rest of Yeah. They've created quite a landmine
Speaker 1: of words to avoid.
Speaker 4: So there are certain agency names, certain designations in the
Speaker 4: military that you're not allowed to reveal or use.
Speaker 1: Yes, and for a good reason.
Speaker 4: Let me clarify something. Though you were trained as a
Speaker 4: top special operations soldier.
Speaker 1: Upon completing that, I was given orders to Pope Air
Speaker 1: Force Base, where I spent a lot of time actually
Speaker 1: working in a maintenance capacity in an obscure maintenance shop
Speaker 1: known as the DASH twenty one dual rail shop. My
Speaker 1: time outside of that was spent in any number of clubs.
Speaker 1: You could say, I was a member of many clubs
Speaker 1: where I got an opportunity to do a lot of
Speaker 1: interesting training.
Speaker 4: You were given extensive special operations training.
Speaker 1: I trained in things like survival. I was in parachute club,
Speaker 1: I was in scuba club, I was in weapons club,
Speaker 1: I was in pilot club. I even was in Spanish club.
Speaker 1: I was in entrepreneur club, paramedic club.
Speaker 4: So they were fully training you for whatever that COVID
Speaker 4: role was going to be.
Speaker 1: Nobody was training me. I was there on my own
Speaker 1: free will, out of my own interest, and trained in
Speaker 1: a number of clubs a mechanic.
Speaker 4: But you were training yourself in a whole range of
Speaker 4: different skills. And I noticed your D two to one
Speaker 4: four document. It actually shows that you've got a sharpshooter's achievement. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 4: so how many mechanics have a sharpshooter's achievement not many.
Speaker 1: I will say that the standard for marksmanship in the
Speaker 1: Air Force is pretty low. But I did qualify as
Speaker 1: expert marksmen in a number of small arms. Right.
Speaker 4: And you've also, I noticed you're able to talk about
Speaker 4: the fact that you earned a commendation for the use
Speaker 4: of combat medical skills to help save the lives of
Speaker 4: two men in a horrible accident.
Speaker 1: Yeah. That's the interesting thing is every once in a
Speaker 1: while my club skills would show up in the ordinary
Speaker 1: Air Force. Part of what goes on when things are
Speaker 1: heavily compartmentalized is often the left hand doesn't know what
Speaker 1: the right hand is doing, and so serving in my
Speaker 1: capacity as what is known as an OP for oppositional force.
Speaker 1: By the time I as I was deeply immersed in
Speaker 1: my club training, I soon began to be deployed as
Speaker 1: what's known as a Red team member. I became a
Speaker 1: Red Team expert.
Speaker 4: So an opposition force person, what do they do? Just
Speaker 4: explain to me what you do.
Speaker 1: So OP four is the bad guys. So an OP
Speaker 1: four is a utility team, and that team's utility as
Speaker 1: in pressure testing or stress testing, the effectiveness of blue
Speaker 1: what are known as blue forces which are the good guys.
Speaker 1: So OP four is trained to deploy their own intuition
Speaker 1: and innovation in order to make the regular soldiers' lives hell.
Speaker 1: And that was where I was uniquely qualified and was
Speaker 1: deployed in that fashion and a number of real world
Speaker 1: scenarios and training scenarios.
Speaker 4: Now it's a very useful set of skills that you
Speaker 4: acquired in the Air Force. Yes, you've essentially had the
Speaker 4: training of a top tier one operator at if you
Speaker 4: like Delta Force or Ists two four level, which is
Speaker 4: the top US Air Force elite group. But you were
Speaker 4: not a top tier one operator.
Speaker 1: That is correct. There's no evidence that I was ever
Speaker 1: assigned to any task force that was associated with those
Speaker 1: teams you just mentioned.
Speaker 4: What were you?
Speaker 1: What was I Ross? I was a highly talented airplane
Speaker 1: mechanic who got to deploy on a number of presidential
Speaker 1: support missions. I was a security escort for what are
Speaker 1: known as hvts all over the world. I also worked
Speaker 1: I deployed in Bosnia in support of the hunt for
Speaker 1: war criminals.
Speaker 4: So why do countries like America have covert people like yourself?
Speaker 4: Watch the purpose of it?
Speaker 1: Well, there's a lot of utility in what you could
Speaker 1: call a hidden hand. For better or for worse, the
Speaker 1: US government and its agencies tend to paint themselves into
Speaker 1: a corner, and they're bound by their own regulations and
Speaker 1: rules of play, and which makes it extremely valuable to
Speaker 1: be able to outsource to folks who don't have to
Speaker 1: follow those same roles.
Speaker 4: So you were operating outside of the normal rule book.
Speaker 4: But to be clear, there's nothing wrong with a COVID role.
Speaker 4: The US government uses COVID operators all the time.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, it's one hundred percent in the best interest of
Speaker 1: everyone in this country and to maintain superiority from a
Speaker 1: national security standpoint, that we play the game that way.
Speaker 4: And do you regard yourself as a patriot?
Speaker 1: Do you absolutely first and foremost before anything else. And
Speaker 1: I'd like to be clear, let's do this right now.
Speaker 1: I'd like you to know exactly what side I'm on. Firstly,
Speaker 1: I'm on the side of my family and my friends. Second,
Speaker 1: I'm on the side of the American people. And I'm
Speaker 1: on the side of the government and the military. Third
Speaker 1: and only as long as they're taking care of the
Speaker 1: first two.
Speaker 4: In that time when you were being trained learning all
Speaker 4: these skills, did you have any idea about aliens.
Speaker 1: No, not at all.
Speaker 4: One way you can validate that you were doing special
Speaker 4: work is that you were actually recommended for a heroism medal.
Speaker 4: Weren't you the US Air Force as I was? And
Speaker 4: you're not allowed to talk about that operation, are you?
Speaker 1: No? There was classified missions that took place in Bosnia,
Speaker 1: But every once in a while things showed up in
Speaker 1: my record, and at some point I had the presence
Speaker 1: of mind to start making copies of certain things, which
Speaker 1: was a little nerve wracking because it may have been
Speaker 1: illegal that I was in possession of certain things. But
Speaker 1: this was a letter recommendation that calls out my particular
Speaker 1: act of heroism.
Speaker 4: Were you awarded that medal?
Speaker 1: No, it was squashed by my case officer.
Speaker 4: And do you think it was squashed because they didn't
Speaker 4: want you to be conspicuous?
Speaker 1: Yeah, because what the hell would an aircraft make and
Speaker 1: chasing war criminals in Bosnia and doing so to the
Speaker 1: extent that he would find himself in a situation that
Speaker 1: would be worthy of a medal of heroism.
Speaker 4: Now, you can't name the agency the organization that you
Speaker 4: were working for, can you, No, you're forbidden by your
Speaker 4: Dobster forbidden at any stage during any of the training
Speaker 4: that you received. Was anyone ever telling you that you
Speaker 4: were part of a government that was aware of the
Speaker 4: existence of non human intelligence?
Speaker 1: No, not at that time. And I'll have to tell
Speaker 1: you that everything changed for me right around nine to
Speaker 1: eleven and I left the Air Force and basically made
Speaker 1: a left turn at Albuquerque, never part of the global
Speaker 1: War on Terror, and quite literally maybe a left turn
Speaker 1: at Albuquerque, and was sent out to California at that
Speaker 1: time to begin establishing my cover basis for an independent
Speaker 1: as an independent contractor, so that I can serve what
Speaker 1: was coming down the line next for me, and that
Speaker 1: is the path which led to the UAP subject.
Speaker 4: In your time in deployment, you met certain people from
Speaker 4: an aerospace company, didn't you, Yes, I did. Now it's
Speaker 4: also part of the constraints you operate under that you
Speaker 4: can't name that aerospace contact.
Speaker 1: There's no good reason to name them, even if I
Speaker 1: wasn't constrained.
Speaker 4: What were they doing there.
Speaker 1: While they were supporting US with some new weapons technology
Speaker 1: that could be used to disable vehicles and aircraft?
Speaker 4: I can disclose this. My understanding is that they were
Speaker 4: essentially using it was actually I think it's a matter
Speaker 4: of public record that microwave weapons, pulse microwave weapons were
Speaker 4: being used at that time.
Speaker 1: Correct, There were some early prototypes that were being used
Speaker 1: at that time, and I met individuals that were there
Speaker 1: representing the companies that were providing that service to the government,
Speaker 1: made friends, and those relationships led to opportunities later in
Speaker 1: the California Desert where I began my journey.
Speaker 4: Before we go any further, had you ever, as a
Speaker 4: child experienced any kind of anomalist phenomena yourself, No, this
Speaker 4: was completely off the books for you. It was complete
Speaker 4: revelation to you.
Speaker 1: I mean, I was born in the seventies. I grew
Speaker 1: up a fan of Star Wars and Star Trek and
Speaker 1: Back to the Future, and it certainly was a pleasant
Speaker 1: and fun idea. But during that same time, it was
Speaker 1: also very clear that the culture it was clearly nostalgic,
Speaker 1: like the subject matter of UAP and non human intelligence,
Speaker 1: which wasn't an acronym we used back then aliens. Let's
Speaker 1: say that it was one hundred percent a fictional story.
Speaker 1: So while I was interested in it, it was purely as
Speaker 1: an adolescent, from being interested by any other fictional subject.
Speaker 4: Before we get into the nitty gritty of what happened
Speaker 4: after two thousand and one, let's talk about what you
Speaker 4: perceive are the rights and responsibilities of American citizens under
Speaker 4: your constitution. As an enlisted man, did you swear an
Speaker 4: oath to the Constitution?
Speaker 1: Yeah? You sure, dad? Yeah?
Speaker 4: How much do you care about the ideas and the
Speaker 4: principles that are espoused in the US Constitution?
Speaker 1: Those ideas are absolutely paramount. They come above everything else.
Speaker 1: Even though I mentioned my family and my friends, or
Speaker 1: whose said I am one first, I cannot facilitate protecting
Speaker 1: them without the fundamental nature of the US Constitution. So
Speaker 1: it is paramount to everything else.
Speaker 4: Is it fair to say that the reason why you're
Speaker 4: speaking to us here today is because you think it's
Speaker 4: important that the American people be told about what we're
Speaker 4: going to disclose in accordance with the const Article one
Speaker 4: of the US Constitution enshrines the idea that all arms
Speaker 4: of government must be transparent and accountable to the Congress.
Speaker 4: Is that happening, you know?
Speaker 1: I can't really speak to that. From what we're being told,
Speaker 1: there is no evidence of extraterrestrial presence here. There is
Speaker 1: no evidence of non human intelligence. There is a little
Speaker 1: bit of admittance and evidence that there's something anomalous in
Speaker 1: the sky flying around, and we don't know what it is.
Speaker 1: So the bad news is I can't really help further
Speaker 1: that question that everyone once answered. But the good news
Speaker 1: is I'm going to begin to be able to start
Speaker 1: answering that question. And that's the primary reason I'm here
Speaker 1: to speak to you today.
Speaker 4: Do you think Congress is being misled deceived about what
Speaker 4: is secretly known about non human intelligence alien life engagement.
Speaker 1: It's clear they don't have the full story.
Speaker 4: What's being held back.
Speaker 1: Just about everything. But there's another problem. I don't even
Speaker 1: know that they're giving it a proper attention to begin with.
Speaker 1: So unfortunately Congress is very ignorant when it comes to
Speaker 1: the subject.
Speaker 4: So very recently, the Pentagon spokesman assured press reporters and
Speaker 4: a Pentagon briefing that there is no evidence of extraterrestrial
Speaker 4: engagement with planet Earth. Is that true?
Speaker 1: No, that's not true. Now they like to hang their
Speaker 1: hat on some keywords there, extraterrestrial, So that means outside
Speaker 1: of the planet Earth, and that is yet to be
Speaker 1: determined by my best understanding.
Speaker 4: So you're saying, you know, for affect there are aliens, Yes,
Speaker 4: there are alien craft on Have you been involved in
Speaker 4: the recovery of those alien crafts?
Speaker 1: Well, Ross, yes, I have.
Speaker 4: How did it feel to say that I'm kind of
Speaker 4: over it?
Speaker 1: Like this has been a fact I had to get over.
Speaker 1: It wasn't easy when it first hits you. That was
Speaker 1: years ago, and it's actually quite therapeutic to get to
Speaker 1: talk about it. And I'm encouraged that it's becoming commonplace
Speaker 1: because that's where it needs to be for us to
Speaker 1: move forward and start gathering some evidence, which we intend
Speaker 1: to do.
Speaker 4: So you're building up a cover in California shortly after
Speaker 4: nine to eleven.
Speaker 1: What are you doing, Well, I'm doing a number of things.
Speaker 1: One trying to fill out a sensible explanation for my backstory.
Speaker 1: I mentioned one of the clubs I was in was
Speaker 1: pilot club, and you'll speak to my good friend Don
Speaker 1: Paul here shortly, who I met during that time, but
Speaker 1: there's no record of that. So I actually one of
Speaker 1: the first things I did is I had to go
Speaker 1: to commercial pilot school order to create a legitimate training
Speaker 1: record so that I could operate in an official capacity.
Speaker 1: This time as a helicopter pilot.
Speaker 4: So you'd learned how to fly as a covert operator,
Speaker 4: but they didn't give you a license for it in
Speaker 4: the military now, because you weren't allowed to have that
Speaker 4: qualification because that would undermine your cover. I suppose correct.
Speaker 4: So you had to go and pretend to not be
Speaker 4: a pilot in order to get your commercial.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was loads of fun. Actually, I found it
Speaker 1: quite challenging to pretend I didn't know how to fly,
Speaker 1: so I was amusing.
Speaker 4: You must have blitzed it.
Speaker 1: Well. Pretending to be bad was quite easy in the beginning.
Speaker 1: The hardest part was faking a natural learning curve, so
Speaker 1: how to show that I'm getting better in a progression
Speaker 1: that they've seen before. So that was fun. A few
Speaker 1: times I took the library to mess with my flight instructor,
Speaker 1: but he just thought I got lucky.
Speaker 4: So this happened for what a couple of year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a number of things we're done. So one of
Speaker 1: the rules we go by is that legitimacy is the
Speaker 1: best cover. So in order to provide a certain utility
Speaker 1: to the government by way of a contractor, I have
Speaker 1: to go and establish a lot of legitimate businesses I
Speaker 1: have to function in a legitimate way under existing contracts
Speaker 1: to build a cover. A cover is not a hollow shell.
Speaker 1: It has to be layers deep. And the best way
Speaker 1: to have many layers of cover is to just go
Speaker 1: do something genuine to begin with.
Speaker 4: So let's be clear about this. You're a very financially
Speaker 4: successful businessman in your own right. You've done well in business. Yes,
Speaker 4: you are not being paid by us or anyone to
Speaker 4: do this interview.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 4: No, In fact, you're deriving no financial benefit or in
Speaker 4: kind benefit at all from doing this interview. Now, why
Speaker 4: are you speaking to us today, Well.
Speaker 1: Because I've got some good news. Okay, So I know
Speaker 1: everyone's been waiting for people like me to speak out,
Speaker 1: and we haven't been doing nothing the past several years.
Speaker 1: There's been a lot going on, and I'm very pleased
Speaker 1: to share that we are moving forward in an official
Speaker 1: and transparent capacity to explore the answer to these questions
Speaker 1: that there appears to be no evidence for. And our
Speaker 1: number one goal now is to function in a private
Speaker 1: capacity with the backing of venture capitalists and in coordination
Speaker 1: with some of the most key departments in the government,
Speaker 1: in order to start answering these questions in a transparent
Speaker 1: way related to the UAP topic.
Speaker 4: Are you affront at a front? Yeah? I mean you've
Speaker 4: worked obviously in counterintelligence, you're a trained intelligence operative. Is
Speaker 4: this some kind of disinformation propaganda operation?
Speaker 1: No? And I'm going to say no, And I'm going
Speaker 1: to tell you I'm not lying to you. But unfortunately
Speaker 1: there's no way that I can convince you of that.
Speaker 1: If that's what you're thinking.
Speaker 4: A lot of people watching this will be thinking, oh,
Speaker 4: you can never trust to spook. You know, there's obviously
Speaker 4: wheels within wheels, this is part of some official government
Speaker 4: disclosure operation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, is it? No, it's not. And again I'm not
Speaker 1: going to be able to make you believe that. But
Speaker 1: what I can invite you to do is, I'll paraphrase
Speaker 1: the book of Matthew. You will know us by our fruits.
Speaker 1: So I'd like to invite you to stay tuned in
Speaker 1: and watch what our new project is about to do,
Speaker 1: and prepare to be dazzled.
Speaker 4: So you're proposing you're part of a team that is
Speaker 4: proposing to do private retrievals of alien technology. Yes, yes,
Speaker 4: and you've got the backing fruit.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 4: Wow. So let's talk about now what you do know, okay,
Speaker 4: when you finally secured your pilot's training in the commercial world,
Speaker 4: what happened While I.
Speaker 1: Was getting my pilot's training, I was also working to
Speaker 1: set up a number of businesses in order to pursue
Speaker 1: government contracts for from the DOI, the d O D
Speaker 1: and all their all the organizations and departments within those
Speaker 1: and mostly what we did a lot like in the nineties,
Speaker 1: you know, the cover capacity takes up the the most.
Speaker 1: Most of your time is spent operating in the cover capacity.
Speaker 4: So you were working in legitimate businesses, earning a living
Speaker 4: like everybody else. Like everyone else, you're just waiting for
Speaker 4: the cool.
Speaker 1: Waiting for the call, the the you know, the incidental
Speaker 1: benefits of the UH the capabilities of the companies you
Speaker 1: set up are those benefits that are on standby to
Speaker 1: be deployed in the subject matter of UAPs.
Speaker 4: So you've set up all those legitimate businesses, when did
Speaker 4: you get the cool?
Speaker 1: So as a helicopter operator, we provide a number of
Speaker 1: services to a number of departments within the military industrial complex,
Speaker 1: and that includes the Department of the Interior as well
Speaker 1: as the DOI. The Department of the Interior has a
Speaker 1: number of other departments within it, and we worked mostly
Speaker 1: in those for our KONUS or within the continentally United States.
Speaker 1: Those operations include things like firefighting, long haul short haul
Speaker 1: which is our external loads for helicopters working for the
Speaker 1: BIA Bureau of Indian Fairs. Anything you could do to
Speaker 1: provide utility, anything that you could do with the utility
Speaker 1: of a helicopter we were put to task on.
Speaker 4: Now, at this stage, there was no indication of any
Speaker 4: anomalous phenomena at all. No, when did you first start
Speaker 4: becoming aware of strange objects in the sky during your work?
Speaker 1: Well, a lot of the work we did was on
Speaker 1: what I call the range, and the range is a
Speaker 1: particular geographical area where the US government and its private
Speaker 1: partners used to test all kinds of things, weapon systems
Speaker 1: and resilience to weapon systems of certain craft. And so
Speaker 1: you see a lot of exciting things that I have
Speaker 1: to remind you that my particular role is very basic
Speaker 1: security and transportation. It gets a little broad as you
Speaker 1: drill down, but I'm a security and transportation expert, and
Speaker 1: that's the service we provided broadly provided to the government
Speaker 1: and its partners.
Speaker 4: So you start seeing at the range, yes, interesting objects.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, it's always interesting out there. You know. It
Speaker 1: was a process for me getting to the point until
Speaker 1: we had our first experience with something that was obviously
Speaker 1: non human in origin. But up until that time, there's
Speaker 1: lots of interesting things in the sky. I can tell
Speaker 1: you that our technology, and by our I mean anything
Speaker 1: that lies within the inventory of the United States Government,
Speaker 1: it's private partners, it's pretty spectacular or some cool things,
Speaker 1: And from an observer's standpoint on the ground, it's hard
Speaker 1: to tell exactly what's going on. Things come in and
Speaker 1: out of sight, things disappear for a moment and reappear things,
Speaker 1: Things seem to move very quickly, things change color, they
Speaker 1: change shape. And a good reference for this is I'm
Speaker 1: sure we've all seen these drone shows like that could
Speaker 1: put on at the Super Bowl halftime or other places,
Speaker 1: and those are pretty amazing to see, visually amazing, but
Speaker 1: we all know that's human tech and we accept it.
Speaker 1: But if you kind of think about that and think
Speaker 1: about perhaps what we might be doing privately in the
Speaker 1: interest of national security, your imagination could fill in the
Speaker 1: blanks on what you might see on a test range
Speaker 1: that's being used by the US government. It's partners.
Speaker 4: I mean, I guess we all expect that there's technology
Speaker 4: that we don't know about that's being kept confidential for
Speaker 4: very good reasons, because the United States doesn't want foreign
Speaker 4: adversaries to know that it has an aerospace advantage or
Speaker 4: a weapons advantage over a potential rival. And were you
Speaker 4: telling yourself that for a long time when you started
Speaker 4: seeing anomalous objects on the rain.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because just like it is now, you kind of
Speaker 1: have to train yourself. Even once you become a believer
Speaker 1: in the UAP subject, and you take some folks outside
Speaker 1: who are believers and they look up, they get really
Speaker 1: excited and falsely identify a satellite as a UAP or
Speaker 1: something else. In the SKay an airplane that has you
Speaker 1: might not be able to see its position, lights or
Speaker 1: its drog.
Speaker 4: So you know what Lui la Zondo has described as
Speaker 4: the five observables, instantaneous speed, incredible hypersonic speeds, trans medium travel,
Speaker 4: water to air, air to water, positive lift, some kind
Speaker 4: of propulsion system that isn't explained by conventional systems, and stealth.
Speaker 4: So you were seeing objects that complied with those weird observables.
Speaker 1: Yes, And at that time you would also see things
Speaker 1: when you talk about the I'm sorry, that trans trans medium.
Speaker 1: So one of those that that would raise your eyebrow
Speaker 1: is more of the trans medium characteristics because things would
Speaker 1: come from the ground, like from the earth, from a ridge,
Speaker 1: from a mountain, or it could pass.
Speaker 4: Through, so they'd come out of the ridge, out of
Speaker 4: a ridge. Now that is clearly technology that is certainly
Speaker 4: not known.
Speaker 1: Now again, that is that that is the visual understanding
Speaker 1: of what you're.
Speaker 4: Seeing and was that human technology?
Speaker 1: You I just don't know that, I do not know.
Speaker 4: So there came a time though, where you begin to
Speaker 4: realize that this was something else.
Speaker 1: Well, let me add to we also know of circumstances
Speaker 1: and you'll speak to some of my teammates here where
Speaker 1: we did recover things that were that were exotic in
Speaker 1: nature in the sky and we know they were classified craft,
Speaker 1: and we recovered them and took them back to where
Speaker 1: they go, and that was that was a regular thing.
Speaker 4: So there are things that we're trying to protect that
Speaker 4: are far beyond what we know about publicly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, much like everything in my story that we're talking about,
Speaker 1: eighty to ninety percent of the time, it's very ordinary
Speaker 1: and boring. Once you get acclimated to the lifestyle. It's
Speaker 1: but for a five or ten percent that is the
Speaker 1: most outrageous and exciting time of your life. But the
Speaker 1: majority of what we see and do is explainable and
Speaker 1: is ordinary and is known by many people and is
Speaker 1: not classified. But there is a certain percentage which is
Speaker 1: extremely sensitive, and that extremely sensitive bit does include what
Speaker 1: we know is our own man made advanced technology, and
Speaker 1: we work to our recovery efforts. If this is where
Speaker 1: we're going with the conversation. When we look at a
Speaker 1: recovery mission or a crash recovery team, you don't put
Speaker 1: together a team like that with the intent of recovering
Speaker 1: non human craft. That team is trained and provided the
Speaker 1: training and tools and technology to conduct a recovery mission
Speaker 1: for a number of objects and craft. But in the
Speaker 1: rare occasion, or let's say the hypothetical occasion, something of
Speaker 1: a non human origin or source were to interface with
Speaker 1: the ground, you would deploy that same team. And that
Speaker 1: is the segue and how we got involved with this
Speaker 1: particular subject.
Speaker 4: So tell me about the moment when you realized that
Speaker 4: you were involved in a retrieval of non human technology
Speaker 4: alien tich.
Speaker 1: So it became very clear the first time we recovered
Speaker 1: something that was non human in origin that there was
Speaker 1: precisely what we were dealing with. Our communications changed, our
Speaker 1: communication process and procedure was modified. It was also clear
Speaker 1: to everyone on the team that what we were dealing
Speaker 1: with was something that was unexpected versus expected. And then
Speaker 1: just visually looking at the object on the ground, you
Speaker 1: could tell that it was extraordinary and anomalous. It was
Speaker 1: not human.
Speaker 4: How close did you get?
Speaker 1: Well, I was a helicopter pilot and I operate with
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty foot to two hundred foot long line,
Speaker 1: so I got within one hundred and fifty feet of
Speaker 1: this object.
Speaker 4: What did you see?
Speaker 1: I saw an egg, a white egg.
Speaker 4: How large was the object?
Speaker 1: I would say approximately twenty feet plus or minus a
Speaker 1: little bit about the size of a large suv.
Speaker 4: Did it have any seams?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 4: And it was pure, pure white.
Speaker 1: It was like pearly white, like a metallic pearly white.
Speaker 1: The best I could assess.
Speaker 4: I mean, what you're describing sounds like something out of
Speaker 4: a TV show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, fortunate. I'm going to share some images with
Speaker 1: you and you can see one of these flying in
Speaker 1: the sky. I feel like in broad daylight.
Speaker 4: So you actually saw it in the sky before.
Speaker 1: No, not this one. But in our new venture, we've
Speaker 1: already begun work and we're capturing sense of data of
Speaker 1: the exact same craft flying in the sky.
Speaker 4: How did you know that that egg shaped object was
Speaker 4: non human in origin?
Speaker 1: Well, visually, after seeing all kinds of things in my past,
Speaker 1: it was clearly something that was ridiculously looking. It's inconsistent
Speaker 1: with anything I'd ever seen before. I can also tell
Speaker 1: you that the reaction by my team, who was very experienced,
Speaker 1: was not was atypical. We changed our are we modified
Speaker 1: our entire process for recovery that night, our communication process changed.
Speaker 1: We all knew we were dealing with something extraordinary. And
Speaker 1: in addition to that, it has also been verified by
Speaker 1: me by high ranking members of the U I p
Speaker 1: UAP task for us that what we recovered that night
Speaker 1: was in fact known in HI craft.
Speaker 4: So the implications of that are actually quite shocking. It
Speaker 4: means the government's lying to us, which shouldn't come as
Speaker 4: any surprise to us, but we're being lied to.
Speaker 1: I don't I can't comment on that because I don't
Speaker 1: know what the government knows this this operation, I just
Speaker 1: can't comment to that, because.
Speaker 4: Do you think it's possible that there are even senior
Speaker 4: people in the PENTAGONU who of what you know?
Speaker 1: Absolutely, there are senior people in all branches of government
Speaker 1: that are unaware of what's going on at the bottom.
Speaker 4: So when General Air Force General pat Ryder speaks at
Speaker 4: a press briefing in the Pentagon and says there is
Speaker 4: no evidence of extraterrestrial visitation or engagement with Planet Earth,
Speaker 4: he might actually be telling the truth because he hasn't
Speaker 4: been read in like you with correct Now you have
Speaker 4: what's called, I understand a top secret sci clearance. You
Speaker 4: have compartmented intelligence clearance to certain programs.
Speaker 1: My clearance is given like on as a as like
Speaker 1: an as needed basis. So like when I go, it's
Speaker 1: not like I go, there's no record of me having
Speaker 1: top secret clearance anywhere, But I get well.
Speaker 4: There is because in the documents that you've showed us,
Speaker 4: there is one document that shows a NATO top secret clearance.
Speaker 4: And what does that mean?
Speaker 1: Ah, that means you are cleared to the highest level
Speaker 1: that you that you need to be in order to
Speaker 1: function in the capacity that you've been assigned on a
Speaker 1: particular mission.
Speaker 4: And it's quite a high clearance.
Speaker 1: It's a very high clearance.
Speaker 4: And so the best if it was done to secure
Speaker 4: your cover, and as part of protecting that cover, it
Speaker 4: wasn't allowed to be known that you had high clearances.
Speaker 4: But what you have been able to demonstrate to us
Speaker 4: is that you were in fact given high clearances as
Speaker 4: part of your role.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the clearance has kind of accompanied me like a shadow.
Speaker 1: If I got deployed on a particular mission. Let's use
Speaker 1: an aircraft, an HVT mission for example, high value target,
Speaker 1: High value target. I spent a lot of time in
Speaker 1: the nineties living out of a hotel room at Pope
Speaker 1: Air Force Base with a pager that was our technology
Speaker 1: back then. So I'll give you a short story that'll
Speaker 1: tie this together. So a typical situation for me would
Speaker 1: be told to go stay at the lodging on base
Speaker 1: and I could travel to the chow hall, I could
Speaker 1: travel to the gym, but I had to stay within
Speaker 1: that response area. We would have a sealed aircraft. A
Speaker 1: sealed aircraft an aircraft that has been configured and swept
Speaker 1: and then a metal seal goes on the door to
Speaker 1: where if that door is open or broken, we know
Speaker 1: someone has entered that aircraft in an authorized capacity, so
Speaker 1: we'd have a sealed aircraft there. If we got dispatched,
Speaker 1: I would go to an aircraft. There would be manifests
Speaker 1: that go with that aircraft that would list all the
Speaker 1: crew members, their security clearances, and a rough description as
Speaker 1: to the mission. At those times with the crew would
Speaker 1: be briefed. Security clearances would be issued to that crew.
Speaker 1: And anytime I was on an HVT mission that was
Speaker 1: highly sensitive, I would operate under what is known as
Speaker 1: a NATO top secret security clearance. And there are documents,
Speaker 1: a few documents that I was able to make copies
Speaker 1: of that show that.
Speaker 4: And indeed the document that you've showed us shows very
Speaker 4: clearly that you and the pilot were the only people
Speaker 4: on board the plane that had a NATO top secret clearance.
Speaker 1: Yeah, probably the reason he was assigned is because I
Speaker 1: was there, So not to sound arrogant, but be the
Speaker 1: fact that I was being deployed on that mission meant
Speaker 1: that the aircraft commander also needed to be read into
Speaker 1: a certain degree which would require that clearance.
Speaker 4: As part of the reason why they keep your clearances
Speaker 4: secret in that covert role, so that they have plausible
Speaker 4: deniability if you ever did decide to speak publicly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, here's a funny thing, like the US government can
Speaker 1: make a bunch of rules in order to create a
Speaker 1: scalfif team that keeps things intact, but they make a
Speaker 1: bunch of rules so that they can break them and
Speaker 1: hack the system and get around them. It provides great
Speaker 1: obscurity to create the rules that separate the known from
Speaker 1: the unknown. And I want to add one comment here
Speaker 1: is when we're talking about circumstances like the first time
Speaker 1: we recovered to UAP, which was the flying Egg, that immediately,
Speaker 1: regardless of where you were or what level of security
Speaker 1: or operating under at the time, when that shows up,
Speaker 1: you're instantly now in a top secret class fight situation,
Speaker 1: regardless of people's clearance.
Speaker 4: So before you flew out that day to go and
Speaker 4: do the recovery of the egg, what were you told.
Speaker 1: I was told that we were going out to do
Speaker 1: our normal thing. We're going to provide range security, and
Speaker 1: we transport crew and we're doing our normal range work.
Speaker 4: You weren't told that this was an anomalous craft that
Speaker 4: was clearly of non human origin.
Speaker 1: And I genuinely believe no one else knew this was
Speaker 1: going to happen either, I think. I think it was
Speaker 1: a shock to everyone, And.
Speaker 4: At no stage were you have subsequently told that the
Speaker 4: craft was of non human origin. No, so, how do
Speaker 4: you know it wasn't human? How do you know that
Speaker 4: we don't have top secret TIChE that is shaped like
Speaker 4: an egg?
Speaker 1: Right? Well, I'll tell you that because of the reaction
Speaker 1: of my leadership structure, and because of my experience working
Speaker 1: in that capacity, everyone involved was convinced that what we
Speaker 1: were seeing and dealing with was in fact exotic in
Speaker 1: its origin. I will also tell you that during this process,
Speaker 1: over the last couple of years, it's been confirmed to
Speaker 1: me by ranking members of the UAP Task Force that
Speaker 1: what we were working with that night was in fact
Speaker 1: n hi and it was not a unique experience. The egg,
Speaker 1: as we're referring to, is known by and there have
Speaker 1: been many others that have encountered this type of craft
Speaker 1: in our atmosphere, outside of our atmosphere, broad day, night time,
Speaker 1: all over the place.
Speaker 4: You've got a good look at this subject, didn't you.
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Was there any visible propulsion system on it?
Speaker 1: No, not what we even know. There's no engine, there
Speaker 1: was no thermal signature. I was operating at night when
Speaker 1: I finally came in to pick it up. Some working
Speaker 1: under night vision goggles at the time, and it was
Speaker 1: quite clear. I flipped them up, flipped them down, and
Speaker 1: looked at it a couple of different ways.
Speaker 4: Was there a thermal signature?
Speaker 1: There was not a thermal signature.
Speaker 4: It wasn't hot. No, No, you know general laws of thermodynamics.
Speaker 4: You know, if an object's been flying or driving an engine,
Speaker 4: it's going to show heat, isn't it. Yes, So how
Speaker 4: do you think that object was being propelled?
Speaker 1: Well, that's a great question that we're looking forward to
Speaker 1: exploring with our new venture.
Speaker 4: So when you went back to base, was it the
Speaker 4: sort of job where you could go to your bosses
Speaker 4: and say, hey, listen, what was that object that I
Speaker 4: picked up? That's strange looking egg thing.
Speaker 1: No, that's not quite how it works. When I got
Speaker 1: back to what you would call my base. When I
Speaker 1: go back to our facility, that's back to my normal
Speaker 1: working business, and the people that are involved there have
Speaker 1: really no idea what's going on when I'm holding myself
Speaker 1: out for work for the government.
Speaker 4: So this is this is how the compartmentalization system works.
Speaker 4: It's a need to know. There was no need for
Speaker 4: the people that were you were working with to know,
Speaker 4: so they weren't briefed in. Yes, and you only found
Speaker 4: out incidentally because you saw it on the range, right,
Speaker 4: So let's keep on going. That's twigged your interest for
Speaker 4: the first time, you've seen something that does appear genuinely anomalous.
Speaker 4: When was the next occasion when you became aware of
Speaker 4: anomalous non human technology?
Speaker 1: There is another craft that we recovered that I can
Speaker 1: talk about, and that craft was what we referred to
Speaker 1: as an eight gone. An egg gone is basically a
Speaker 1: disk shaped object that, when viewed from the top, has
Speaker 1: eight different symmetrical sections that are delineated by some form
Speaker 1: of redge.
Speaker 4: So it's an octagon shaped disc. Yes, both bunny chuts.
Speaker 4: Was there a name a nickname for the egg?
Speaker 1: Yeah, the egg we actually called nan news like from
Speaker 1: the Mork and Mindy show from the seventies, because it's ridiculous.
Speaker 1: That's exactly what it looked like. And so it's funny
Speaker 1: when you look back at the what may have been
Speaker 1: the motivation for the nineteen seventies, because where else would
Speaker 1: it that egg is a ridiculous idea for a guy
Speaker 1: from Mort from Orc. Right, so you have Mort from
Speaker 1: Ork who flew to Earth in an egg. It surely
Speaker 1: gives credit to the idea that some like to think
Speaker 1: that perhaps there was a pr program that utilized our
Speaker 1: fascination with Hollywood and television to paint pictures of actual
Speaker 1: fact as fiction, making it now some weird highbred you
Speaker 1: could call faction.
Speaker 4: So what time of day or night was it when
Speaker 4: you came across the octagonal object the eight gone.
Speaker 1: We did recovery on that both day and night, so.
Speaker 4: It took me through it. What happens you in your chopper?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm in I'm in my chopper. What sort of
Speaker 1: at the time? Is a Bell two twelve, which is
Speaker 1: the same as UHN one. It's a twin engine, twin
Speaker 1: bladed bell helicopter.
Speaker 4: You're flying at night?
Speaker 1: Flying at night?
Speaker 4: What time at night?
Speaker 1: Oh god, I don't remember, like after midnight.
Speaker 4: Have you been given any pre flight briefing?
Speaker 1: I would I'm the one who would be given the briefing.
Speaker 1: But we are given a load out on the particular
Speaker 1: object that when you're flying an external load, we designate
Speaker 1: two different sites. One's called the drop site. One's called
Speaker 1: the pick site. You could say the pick side is
Speaker 1: where the payload is that you're flying in to pick up.
Speaker 1: As you're making your first trip into the pick site,
Speaker 1: the payloads are already rigged and manifested for you and
Speaker 1: to prepare them for flight. When you're en route to
Speaker 1: that object, you're given some basic information like weight estimates,
Speaker 1: size estimates. And there's two objects that I'm here to
Speaker 1: talk about. One was the egg. The other is what
Speaker 1: we called an eight gone. The eight gone was essentially
Speaker 1: a flying disc with what looked like eight delineated sections
Speaker 1: when looking down. And I can tell you what it
Speaker 1: looked like from looking down because that's primarily how I
Speaker 1: saw it, because I'm a helicopter pilot. We did recoveries
Speaker 1: with the eight gons. There was more than one that
Speaker 1: was that made its way to the ground on this
Speaker 1: particular operation, and the recovery was done at night, and
Speaker 1: then more was done in the day. Because of where
Speaker 1: we operate, sometimes things can make their way into this
Speaker 1: deep terrain. The terrain where we operate is the highest
Speaker 1: mountain range in the whole United Coottina the United States.
Speaker 1: And so the decision was made to wait till daylight
Speaker 1: to recover some of the object or some of the
Speaker 1: material that was brought down or made its way to
Speaker 1: the around that night. During the recovery of the object,
Speaker 1: at night time, I make my way in the helicopter
Speaker 1: from where we can figure the line and we fly
Speaker 1: to where what we call the pick site. There's two locations.
Speaker 1: We designate them picksite, drop site drop site. At the
Speaker 1: delivery relocation. We have a crew both at the pick
Speaker 1: side and the drop site. On the ground, the pick
Speaker 1: team configures the cargo for flight.
Speaker 4: So whatever it is, the craft is sitting in a
Speaker 4: sling waiting for you a helicopter.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's sitting. We have these things called pumpkins, which
Speaker 1: are like rubberized bags or containers, and from my point
Speaker 1: of view that it was covered in a pumpkin, at
Speaker 1: least from the bottom and the sides. This is one
Speaker 1: of the most profound experiences I've ever had in my life.
Speaker 1: I'm about to share with you, So bear with me.
Speaker 1: This is for me. When it became clear. As I
Speaker 1: get closer to this pick site, I start feeling odd,
Speaker 1: start feeling extremely emotional, And the closer I get, the
Speaker 1: more the emotion starts to overwhelm me, and.
Speaker 4: What do you feel? What's the emotion?
Speaker 1: I feel a sense of my mother. I don't know
Speaker 1: how else to explain it. I feel this intense hybrid
Speaker 1: of sadness and happiness and beauty and song. And it
Speaker 1: was very disruptive to me because I had a very
Speaker 1: practical responsibility at the time to operate a helicopter in
Speaker 1: the mountains at night, and I began wondering what was
Speaker 1: wrong with me? It was late am, Like, am I
Speaker 1: just stressed? Am I tired? Am I marinating in cortisol
Speaker 1: and estrogen? I don't know. But as I came over
Speaker 1: this object for the pit, there was this overwhelming sense
Speaker 1: of emotion.
Speaker 4: What's it? Saying the object to me? What you're feeling?
Speaker 1: Like? I said? It was an overwhelming sense of sadness, happiness.
Speaker 4: Is it your feeling? Are you suddenly having a mental
Speaker 4: breakdown on the job.
Speaker 1: No. I felt like something connected with me. I felt
Speaker 1: like something had tuned in to me and my soul
Speaker 1: and was providing me some sense of guidance on what
Speaker 1: to do and how profound what I was doing was.
Speaker 1: And it was so overwhelming that I began to cry.
Speaker 4: And I can't imagine crying at nighttime with night vision
Speaker 4: goggles is the healthiest way to fly a shopper.
Speaker 1: No, it is not. And then I'm confused as to
Speaker 1: why I'm crying at the same time, and then I'm
Speaker 1: do I abort the mission? And so I just did
Speaker 1: my best to focus on my particular accues when doing
Speaker 1: this type of work, and I got the load hooked
Speaker 1: up and I began flying away. And once it was
Speaker 1: just me and that object in between the pick and
Speaker 1: the drop site, it was about twenty miles in between,
Speaker 1: I felt like something was inside of me. I felt
Speaker 1: like I was possessed by the most beautiful spirit I'd
Speaker 1: ever been possessed by.
Speaker 4: And was it loving?
Speaker 1: It was loving, but there was a sense of sadness
Speaker 1: at the same time.
Speaker 4: And had you ever had an experience like this before?
Speaker 1: No? No, it was a very feminine energy. I'll tell
Speaker 1: you that it felt like it felt like the spirit
Speaker 1: of God, but not in any masculine sense that I
Speaker 1: had ever felt. It was like, again, the feeling of
Speaker 1: my mother and my daughter and beauty. And it wasn't
Speaker 1: like soul. It was like a frequency that I was
Speaker 1: connected with.
Speaker 4: Was it scared.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it is a thing. I'm still
Speaker 1: trying to figure out why that happened. Well, I don't
Speaker 1: want to say that, because I have a pretty good
Speaker 1: idea of what's going on now and whatever that force was,
Speaker 1: since that night, it has stayed with me, and as
Speaker 1: crazy as it sounds, it's what's guiding me now and
Speaker 1: it's what's providing.
Speaker 4: Protection for me. It's changed your life, it's changed my life.
Speaker 4: Do you think it's made you a better person that
Speaker 4: ex experience?
Speaker 1: It has made me a more sensitive and aware person,
Speaker 1: which I think all of us would be better people.
Speaker 4: So that was a moment when you became aware of,
Speaker 4: at the very least a technology that had the capacity
Speaker 4: to touch you remotely, remotely, telepathically, telepathically. Now, telepathy, we
Speaker 4: are told is a nonsense, it's a fiction. What happened
Speaker 4: after you flew the object in the sling to presumably
Speaker 4: the drop off zone.
Speaker 1: Once I made the drop before I got there, I
Speaker 1: was really scared that I was going to have to
Speaker 1: stop flying and punch this thing off because I was
Speaker 1: so distracted. But then I was like, well, crap, now
Speaker 1: we've got another recovery site. Now we're going have to
Speaker 1: recover this. I'm gonna have to burn to the land. I
Speaker 1: don't know. So it took everything I had in me
Speaker 1: at the time to get to my drop site and
Speaker 1: I delivered this. Oddly enough, no one in my crew
Speaker 1: ordered having similar effects from this. I do not believe
Speaker 1: there was a being in that craft. I've come to
Speaker 1: understand now after being involved with other parts of the
Speaker 1: programs that are tested on the range, that there is
Speaker 1: a there is a known and researched and implemented emotional
Speaker 1: or psychic or what we call a psionic component to
Speaker 1: the research and development of the UAP program.
Speaker 4: Now, Jack, I know it's going to be very confronting
Speaker 4: for our audience to hear this, but you think that
Speaker 4: you've discovered something potentially about yourself as a result of
Speaker 4: that experience, that you might infect have abilities that you
Speaker 4: were never aware of.
Speaker 1: I know when I in my childhood, if we look
Speaker 1: back to when I was a kid, I sincerely believe
Speaker 1: that the screening I went through in high school. You
Speaker 1: know my grandparents are when I was a kid. I
Speaker 1: the reason I joined the military is real simple. I
Speaker 1: wanted to jump out of airplanes and kill bad guys
Speaker 1: and make my grandparents proud. And my grandparents were the
Speaker 1: most amazing people I've ever met. You know, they grew
Speaker 1: up during the Great Depression, dealt with World War Two,
Speaker 1: and my grandfathers particularly were the strongest and the most
Speaker 1: sensitive men I've ever met. All wrapped up into one person.
Speaker 1: We can call them Navy Grandpa and Army Grandpa. Let's
Speaker 1: say so. You know, Navy Grandpa was a very influential
Speaker 1: naval officer who's actually a member of the Seal's predecessors,
Speaker 1: the Scouts and Raiders. Army Grandpa was an Army captain
Speaker 1: and a salesman. They both founded our neighborhood church and
Speaker 1: literally set the cornerstone to our church together. Unfortunately, you know,
Speaker 1: their children. My parents were very loving people, but made
Speaker 1: a lot of bad decisions and this led to step
Speaker 1: families for me at a very young age, and to
Speaker 1: get away from the abuse of environment, I spent a
Speaker 1: lot of time outside. I would tell my mom, I'm
Speaker 1: going to my dad's house. I'd tell my dad, I'm
Speaker 1: going to my mom's house, and I would I'd bug
Speaker 1: out and just go live outside.
Speaker 4: You were living in the bush somewhere.
Speaker 1: Yeah, essentially, I was homeless, but you know, I just
Speaker 1: told myself I was a wild commando survivalist and that
Speaker 1: gave me pride in what I was doing instead of shame,
Speaker 1: and so that I refined a pretty a pretty high
Speaker 1: level of independence at a young age. But my grandparents
Speaker 1: were still always there making sure I had some outlet
Speaker 1: for things, and so they got me involved with an
Speaker 1: art program and a music program. I'll have to tell you,
Speaker 1: so my Navy grandfather, he was the superintendent. He got
Speaker 1: his doctorate in education, and by the time I had
Speaker 1: graduated high school, he had retired as a superintendent of
Speaker 1: our school district. So he was a very influential man.
Speaker 4: And I understand he ran the gifted and talented education
Speaker 4: program for that school district.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you could say he was the ambassador for this
Speaker 1: area for the Gate program, which was a program for
Speaker 1: gifted and talented kids. And my personal experience with that
Speaker 1: was great. It was I just got pulled out of
Speaker 1: normal class a couple of times a day, at least twice,
Speaker 1: and got to go to a private classroom where I
Speaker 1: had one on one time with a staff member there
Speaker 1: who played a lot of games with me inside and outside,
Speaker 1: and we ran a number of creative classes together, and
Speaker 1: outside of that, I also after school I would attend
Speaker 1: I had a private art teacher, I learned music, and
Speaker 1: so I felt like I had a unique education experience
Speaker 1: as a kid. My grandfather also got me involved in
Speaker 1: water polo and swimming. He was a diver and a swimmer,
Speaker 1: and water polo became a great outlet for me. I
Speaker 1: found the the competition and the physical exhaustion was like
Speaker 1: great medicine for me.
Speaker 4: Looking back, though, now do you think there might have
Speaker 4: been something special about your selection into the Gate program.
Speaker 1: Well, if we we look into my high school years,
Speaker 1: you know, unfortunately my senior year I got a lot
Speaker 1: of trouble. When I did show up to school, I
Speaker 1: was a bit disruptive in class. I had a smart mouth,
Speaker 1: I liked being a class clown, and I got a
Speaker 1: lot of fights. And by the time my senior year
Speaker 1: came around, I was the varsity goalie on our water
Speaker 1: polo team, and five weeks into my senior year, I
Speaker 1: got expelled for fighting again, and at that time I
Speaker 1: was on a disciplinary contract. So my accumulation of bad
Speaker 1: behavior throughout high school resulted in a contract, which was
Speaker 1: interesting and it was a one and done fail situation.
Speaker 1: In five weeks into my senior year, I was expelled.
Speaker 1: At this time, my grandparents decided to hold an intervention.
Speaker 1: And I don't even think my parents or step parents, no,
Speaker 1: but the two men got together and met with me
Speaker 1: and decided to research military programs that would be available
Speaker 1: at that time. And so we made several trips down
Speaker 1: to UCLA to an office near there, and I began
Speaker 1: going through a series of tests of all kinds. There
Speaker 1: were physical, physiological, psychological, creative tests, and we assumed that,
Speaker 1: you know, all of this was pretty typical.
Speaker 4: You know, now, don't you that the US Air Force
Speaker 4: has been secretly testing people through the Gate program for
Speaker 4: certain psychic abilities.
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 4: Were you tested?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 4: Do you think that might have played a part in
Speaker 4: what happened to you that night when you were recovering
Speaker 4: that craft?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know that the Air Force realized that.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you, I know others that I've come to
Speaker 1: meet through the program that we'll talk about that we're
Speaker 1: in a psionic program that have a very similar backstory.
Speaker 1: But for whatever reason, I was not used in that way. Again,
Speaker 1: my creativity and intuition resulted in as I've shared with
Speaker 1: you before, being used for creative wargames, being very creative
Speaker 1: in wargames. But what I used is intuition. If we
Speaker 1: make a spectrum and we put intuition on the conservative side,
Speaker 1: let's say the right side of the scale, on the
Speaker 1: more far outside, that might be something that looks a
Speaker 1: lot like telepathy or telekinesis, and we call this psionics,
Speaker 1: which we can talk about. And so I knew I
Speaker 1: was intuitive, I knew I was creative, and I also
Speaker 1: know I had good imagination. And so looking back, it
Speaker 1: was clear that becoming a Red Team expert, those are
Speaker 1: the tools that I would deploy. My intuition and creativity
Speaker 1: is what made me successful in that capacity.
Speaker 4: I'm quite struck by how many very senior elite soldiers,
Speaker 4: special operations soldiers, when they admit what they do in
Speaker 4: a combat situation where they're facing imminent harm, there's often
Speaker 4: a moment where they talk about intuition, precognition. They knew
Speaker 4: something was about to happen. Does it happen to you?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I would. I would say that I have a
Speaker 1: keen ability to make good decisions short term and long term.
Speaker 1: I also find comfort in chaos, you could say, and
Speaker 1: I actually see things more clearly in chaos and tend
Speaker 1: to make very wise decisions.
Speaker 4: And is that a quality that you recognize in a
Speaker 4: lot of your colleagues and special operations.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you might be interested to know that people at
Speaker 1: an elite operator level, there's a lot of them that
Speaker 1: are left handed. A lot of them that were artists
Speaker 1: as kids are still are very good drawers, illustrators, musicians.
Speaker 1: They're also if you were to describe their personalities you
Speaker 1: might have you might find yourself using some oxymorons like
Speaker 1: peaceful warriors, sensitive savages. You could say that it's a
Speaker 1: real thing and I'll add one more or a bunch
Speaker 1: of dead serious goofballs. So there's this dichotomy between feminine
Speaker 1: and masculine at the extremes that I don't know if
Speaker 1: you could go as far as to say, is the
Speaker 1: big Blue Air Force and the big Black Department of
Speaker 1: Defense knows what they're doing, and they're prospecting for these
Speaker 1: kids at a level, and they're planning this long term,
Speaker 1: well thought out path. But what you will find is
Speaker 1: that we end up making our way there.
Speaker 4: Something made you connect with that machine that night.
Speaker 1: Yes, it chose to connect with me and reportedly no
Speaker 1: one else on my crew.
Speaker 4: So when you got back to base, did you report
Speaker 4: the fact that you'd had that extraordinari?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 4: No, why not?
Speaker 1: I was because I didn't know what happened, and I
Speaker 1: don't want You know, you carry a lot of responsibility
Speaker 1: as a pilot, you know, in this I've moved from
Speaker 1: being a very pragmatic person with a tremendous amount of
Speaker 1: responsibility in day to day grind in this dimension to
Speaker 1: a place where I've had to take into account and
Speaker 1: incorporate things that are basically metaphysical and find a balance
Speaker 1: between the two, all while maintaining the trust that I
Speaker 1: could do my very pragmatic work. So this was something
Speaker 1: pretty new to me this night. The last thing I'm
Speaker 1: going to do is go back and tell my team
Speaker 1: that I almost had to pop the load off because
Speaker 1: I was connected with a goddess that was making me cry.
Speaker 4: So you've had those two anomalous incidents with craft. Clearly,
Speaker 4: these are objects that are being recovered that do not
Speaker 4: appear to be human technology.
Speaker 1: So this is a good thing to talk about because
Speaker 1: what we're dealing with is either non human intelligence. If
Speaker 1: we want to use those words or that phrase or
Speaker 1: that acronym. It's either that or we need to dramatically
Speaker 1: redefine what we think human intelligence is.
Speaker 4: Because this object, whatever it was, was capable of communicating
Speaker 4: with you in your mind.
Speaker 1: That object or whatever was controlling that object, was also
Speaker 1: connecting to me through the mind, through my mind.
Speaker 4: Now you learned, didn't you that this was the tip
Speaker 4: of an iceberg? Wasn't just you correct? What did you learn?
Speaker 1: Well? My work coincidentally shortly after that led me in
Speaker 1: support of another particular part of the program, which deals
Speaker 1: directly with looking at this piece right here, which is
Speaker 1: is there a component on the summoning side that we
Speaker 1: call and the operation side of these non human craft
Speaker 1: that has to do with consciousness, or at least a
Speaker 1: field of consciousness that perhaps humans can tap into and
Speaker 1: maybe all beings in the universe can tap into.
Speaker 4: What is a psionic?
Speaker 1: A psionic person is someone with a predisposition for extraal
Speaker 1: temporal you could say, abilities and sensitivities. Someone who is
Speaker 1: has a fantastic intuition.
Speaker 4: What did you discover the psionics were being used for
Speaker 4: in the program?
Speaker 1: In the program, there was certainly a desire to explore
Speaker 1: the idea that perhaps UAP could be summoned, could be
Speaker 1: communicated with, could be controlled, and could be persuaded to land,
Speaker 1: all by deploying people with psionic abilities to interface and
Speaker 1: communicate with the UAP.
Speaker 4: And did you see that happen?
Speaker 1: Yes? I did so.
Speaker 4: There were people who were purportedly psionically gifted who were
Speaker 4: brought into the program.
Speaker 1: Yes, there were. Where did they come from? They come
Speaker 1: from all over? They're not all over, I mean from
Speaker 1: outside the United States as well as.
Speaker 4: In And how are they detected? How are they picked?
Speaker 1: You know, I don't really know. You'd have to ask
Speaker 1: somebody else.
Speaker 4: I'm told that there are particular indigenous communities around the world,
Speaker 4: Native Americans, people in different third world countries who apparently
Speaker 4: have enhanced psychic abilities that.
Speaker 1: Are I think. I think most people could grasp the
Speaker 1: idea that perhaps people that are from other cultures. You know,
Speaker 1: our culture has leaves a lot to be desired when
Speaker 1: we look at the contaminat that exist in our food,
Speaker 1: contaminants that exist in our drugs, and contaminants in our culture.
Speaker 1: And some of these contaminants, it turns out, aren't great
Speaker 1: for your spirituality or your consciousness or your psionic abilities.
Speaker 1: And so those who live a particular lifestyle or live
Speaker 1: in a culture where they have a more natural or
Speaker 1: direct way of life with nature and their surroundings seem
Speaker 1: to within those groups of people, there's a little bit
Speaker 1: higher demographic than there typically is for those with it
Speaker 1: psionic ability. So these people are sought out and are
Speaker 1: are used to contribute to the research that might be
Speaker 1: going on with the psionic I.
Speaker 4: Want to put something to you. I've spoken myself. You
Speaker 4: haven't told me this, but I've spoken myself to people
Speaker 4: of Native American background, Indigenous Americans, who say that this
Speaker 4: is a particularly popular thing for recruitment from the program
Speaker 4: to happen in Indigenous American communities.
Speaker 1: Yes, I know that for a fact.
Speaker 4: There are also people from countries in the third world
Speaker 4: where these abilities are recognized and not treated with stigma
Speaker 4: as we do in the Western world.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there is no stigma. In fact, if there's any stigma,
Speaker 1: if you're the one who's not playing along, you might
Speaker 1: be the outcast in those cultures.
Speaker 4: So the irony is that part of your discovery inside
Speaker 4: the program is that there genuinely are people who can
Speaker 4: actually make a mental spiritual connection to a technology.
Speaker 1: Yes, was that a revelation to you? It was fun.
Speaker 1: It was actually fun to learn. It's one of the
Speaker 1: things in our work that was like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: there's more to life. It answered certain questions and intuitions,
Speaker 1: if you will, that we have going back to your childhood,
Speaker 1: and if anything, that we're most present in your childhood,
Speaker 1: which is very satisfying, because you know something as a child,
Speaker 1: you have this particular feeling and it kind of dies
Speaker 1: out as you become more mature and have to take
Speaker 1: on more responsibility, and so to be able to nurture
Speaker 1: that and accept that that might be the case, and
Speaker 1: to see organizations as serious as those who we worked
Speaker 1: with taking this seriously was actually a heck of a
Speaker 1: lot of fun.
Speaker 4: So this is antological shock, I think for many people
Speaker 4: watching this, because we're all being told firstly, there's no
Speaker 4: such thing as aliens visiting this planet.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And secondly, we're all being told there's no such thing
Speaker 4: as telepathy or psychic abilities. It's rubbish.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know. I don't think there is going to
Speaker 1: be an ontological shock. I think people are going to
Speaker 1: react to it the same way I did. I think
Speaker 1: it's going to be an ontological relief because I think
Speaker 1: everyone deep down knows that there is more to life
Speaker 1: than what we are being told and experiencing. And to
Speaker 1: know that there might be something like a sixth seventh
Speaker 1: eighth sense that has a spiritual, spiritual connection and that
Speaker 1: that might actually have a good nature and application behind it,
Speaker 1: Like not only is it not shocking, but it should
Speaker 1: be welcomed, I.
Speaker 4: Would think, Well, I'd go further, Jake, it's beautiful.
Speaker 1: It's beautiful, and.
Speaker 4: Isn't that the message you got from whatever?
Speaker 6: That sense of beauty overwhelming and love and love And
Speaker 6: it's funny hearing an elite soldier talking about love.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and benivolence.
Speaker 1: You know what fuels every elite soldier is a preservation
Speaker 1: of love or something that they love. That's what's behind
Speaker 1: all the strength.
Speaker 4: So let's go through the psionic program. When a psionic
Speaker 4: operator engages with technology, how do they do.
Speaker 1: It using their mind? Something like meditation? And I need
Speaker 1: to preface this by saying, this is stuff that I've
Speaker 1: come to know recently. The night that I had this experience,
Speaker 1: there was another team involved, come to find out, was
Speaker 1: a psionics team and they were also working that night.
Speaker 4: And do you think it was them that had attracted
Speaker 4: the object in the first place?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I do.
Speaker 4: And so how did the object come to land?
Speaker 1: I think it was invited to land by the psionics team.
Speaker 4: Is that always how they make the objects land?
Speaker 1: No, there's a number of other ways. So I have
Speaker 1: to tell you that weapons systems are tested out there.
Speaker 4: I know this from other sources. I know that high
Speaker 4: pulse microwave weapons are being used to bring down some
Speaker 4: of these craft.
Speaker 1: Yes, Now.
Speaker 4: How often was it done where the objects would land
Speaker 4: on their own accord? And how often was it done
Speaker 4: that weapons would be used?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't tell you how often. I can tell
Speaker 1: you they are brought down both ways that they are
Speaker 1: invited to land by the psionics team. Other times they
Speaker 1: are invited in by the psionics team. But then hpms,
Speaker 1: which are high powered microwave weapons, are deployed and they
Speaker 1: have an effect where they can disrupt the flight pattern
Speaker 1: of the object. And when it is an object, sometimes
Speaker 1: it's not, and it can result in that aircraft being
Speaker 1: forcibly brought down.
Speaker 4: When they did the attraction of the objects, was it
Speaker 4: purely psychic or was the machinery that was used as well.
Speaker 1: So there's five components to our operation which might answer
Speaker 1: a lot of your questions. So the first component is
Speaker 1: a calling phase. Calling is either through man or machine
Speaker 1: based summoning systems. We have man based systems which our
Speaker 1: psionic assets, which make a psych connection through intuition or
Speaker 1: consciousness with the object and can invite it in the
Speaker 1: other is a machine based calling system which uses many
Speaker 1: systems which I'm not going to go into detail about.
Speaker 1: You could refer to them as a dog whistle or
Speaker 1: a lure and UAP. Certain types seem to be specifically
Speaker 1: attracted or responsive to our machine based calling systems, and
Speaker 1: then from there, once they're brought in, we communicate with them.
Speaker 1: Now the psionics can have a dual role because in
Speaker 1: this communication phase we do a lot of data collection,
Speaker 1: so it's verifying that what we are seeing is something tangible,
Speaker 1: also that it is responding to our efforts, So we
Speaker 1: might invite it to move left or right, or to
Speaker 1: position our particulars machine based systems in a particular direction,
Speaker 1: and then measure the response.
Speaker 4: The implication of what you're saying is that this intelligence
Speaker 4: that's behind these objects, whatever it is, seems willing to share.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think it ultimately is working for us,
Speaker 1: and it is commonly talked about that what we are getting,
Speaker 1: even when we weaponize it is a donation, a gift,
Speaker 1: and even when we deploy equipment. When there's a combined
Speaker 1: operation with a psionics team and a machine based team,
Speaker 1: all the equipment kind of has to be blessed and
Speaker 1: brought in when it's a psionically led operation for summoning.
Speaker 4: A lot of people watching this Jake are going, I'm
Speaker 4: sure this is crazy. This guy's making this up. This
Speaker 4: can't possibly be true. Alien vehicle psychic techniques to engage
Speaker 4: with technology, this is disinformation fabrication.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, we intend to prove that's not the case,
Speaker 1: which has a lot to do with the timing as
Speaker 1: to why I'm coming out now. We plan to produce
Speaker 1: that evidence in our new venture with our teams that
Speaker 1: we've used for years in the Legacy program. We've now
Speaker 1: gotten out and we've pulled our resources and we're backed
Speaker 1: by venture capital. We're also working in coordination with the
Speaker 1: most forefront government agencies that you would want involved with
Speaker 1: us on this subject matter, and we're going to start
Speaker 1: producing evidence on all of this and we're going to
Speaker 1: share it with But.
Speaker 4: Christian, you know it works because you've seen it done. Yes, yep,
Speaker 4: and so have your colleagues.
Speaker 1: That's correct.
Speaker 4: What would you say to people who might say, there's
Speaker 4: no way a secret like this could have been kipped
Speaker 4: for so long? I mean you're describing an operation that,
Speaker 4: in your experience, has been going for at least ten
Speaker 4: twenty years. Yeah, yeah, do you know how long the
Speaker 4: program's been doing the site?
Speaker 1: Say, I'm sorry, did over it? I don't know what
Speaker 1: else to tell you.
Speaker 4: So it can be kipt. A secret can be kipped.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, secrets. There are lots of secrets, some kept
Speaker 1: for good reasons.
Speaker 4: So let me briefly summarize the implications of what you're saying.
Speaker 4: Aliens are real.
Speaker 1: So I would like to know. Unfortunately, we've got to
Speaker 1: get really specific with the semantics. Okay, So what do
Speaker 1: you mean by alien?
Speaker 4: Something non human and intelligent built craft that you have
Speaker 4: been involved in recovery.
Speaker 1: Yes, something that is inconsistent with our idea of what
Speaker 1: a human is is involved with these craft.
Speaker 4: Are these intelligences whatever they are, are they extra terrestrial?
Speaker 4: Are they from somewhere else? Or could they possibly be living.
Speaker 1: That this place. I can to remind you, I'm a
Speaker 1: security and transportation guy that has been involved in this program,
Speaker 1: really within the purview of those two categories. So you're
Speaker 1: going to have to ask someone else.
Speaker 4: I presume you've got a chance to talk to the
Speaker 4: psionics when they mentally telepathically engaged with whatever this intelligence was.
Speaker 4: What did they tell you about it?
Speaker 1: Well, that they refer to it as a they in
Speaker 1: a very spiritual nature, something like angels, angels and demons.
Speaker 1: Let's say, there's certainly good energies and bad energies, but
Speaker 1: it's talked of in a very very nebulous way like this,
Speaker 1: because no one really knows what it is. No one,
Speaker 1: especially on the psionic side. We're still trying to figure
Speaker 1: that out. We're still trying to figure out exactly what
Speaker 1: it is, and there's probably a number of things going on.
Speaker 1: There might be biological entities, and we use the word
Speaker 1: biological for a very specific reason. Biological. We don't need
Speaker 1: we limit it to that because we aren't here to
Speaker 1: imply that it is sentient or has a consciousness. We
Speaker 1: really don't know that there is some evidence that that
Speaker 1: shows it might be the case. That these are something
Speaker 1: like soft tissue drones or lab meat that was programmed
Speaker 1: in order to operate. Craft meets robots meet robots. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: so it really begs the question. But ironically, while some
Speaker 1: of the biological cargo that comes with these craft is
Speaker 1: not conscious, consciousness itself is how you interact and pilot
Speaker 1: the craft, which is ironic because for the first time ever,
Speaker 1: the biological creatures inside are not conscious, but the craft is.
Speaker 4: The other implication too, from what your experience shows, is
Speaker 4: that whatever and wherever the intelligence is that's behind those craft,
Speaker 4: it seems friendly.
Speaker 1: Benevolent, benevolent.
Speaker 4: Yeah, in fact, loving, loving.
Speaker 1: It's if you want to connect with it, if you
Speaker 1: want to have a relationship, and if you want to
Speaker 1: see stuff flying in the sky, you need to be
Speaker 1: channeling a loving energy.
Speaker 4: That's finitely beautiful.
Speaker 1: Yeah it is. In fact, there can be individuals in
Speaker 1: the group that throw off that vibe, that can mess
Speaker 1: up the vibration of the psionics work and their communication
Speaker 1: with the beings, and then you aren't as successful.
Speaker 4: Have you in any of the work that you've done,
Speaker 4: And I know you're being very limited in what incidents
Speaker 4: you're prepared to talk about Have you ever come across
Speaker 4: malevolent intelligence that's non human?
Speaker 1: I have not, I personally have not.
Speaker 4: Have any of your colleagues, You'll have to ask them. Okay,
Speaker 4: The implications, though, of what you're telling us are incredible.
Speaker 4: We are not alone.
Speaker 1: We are not alone.
Speaker 4: There is a non human intelligence that has been engaging
Speaker 4: with this planet. Yes, to your knowledge, Is it just
Speaker 4: the United States that is having these incomes?
Speaker 1: Now, now, I can tell you for a fact that
Speaker 1: my team has been sought after for our unique service
Speaker 1: that we provide by organizations outside the United States.
Speaker 4: But let's to be clear, I don't want to put
Speaker 4: you in the position of imputing that you might have
Speaker 4: been helping unfriendly countries. Neither of the countries or none
Speaker 4: of the countries that you work with foreign adversaries.
Speaker 1: And when I say that, I use the word organizations
Speaker 1: instead of governments, because there are there are, there are
Speaker 1: many other folks that may be operating in a private
Speaker 1: capacity that so let me let me say this, This
Speaker 1: situation is not unique to the US.
Speaker 4: To your knowledge, Russia and China doing retrievals of non
Speaker 4: human crest.
Speaker 1: I have no idea I imagine they are.
Speaker 4: Why would you.
Speaker 1: Say that well, because this particular activity is not unique
Speaker 1: to the United States. I know for a fact that
Speaker 1: members of my team have been asked to provide our
Speaker 1: expertise and service for organizations outside the US, not China
Speaker 1: and Russia. But the US government does not have a
Speaker 1: monopoly on the UAP subject matter. I mean, the skies
Speaker 1: are not classified. Your conscience can't be redacted. So the
Speaker 1: NHI can connect with whoever the hell they want, and
Speaker 1: whoever the hell they are can connect with NHI. And
Speaker 1: this lends itself to a particular situation of formula that
Speaker 1: you can imagine exists, which is if you have a
Speaker 1: belief that this is a worthwhile venture, which ironically the
Speaker 1: government has made extremely clear, like there are many people
Speaker 1: myself and our new organization included that is not waiting
Speaker 1: on the government to say this is something you should
Speaker 1: invest time in energy, and that's become abundantly clear in
Speaker 1: the last two years. But prior to that, anyone that
Speaker 1: had the will to believe that, and the money to invest,
Speaker 1: and that tools and techniques and talent in order to
Speaker 1: do it could set up their own communication crash recovering
Speaker 1: reverse engineering program anywhere in the world. NHI is not
Speaker 1: hold itself out exclusively for the United States.
Speaker 4: Why has this been kept secret from all of us?
Speaker 1: Oh? God, I don't know. I really don't know. I imagine,
Speaker 1: you know, I have to trust that be careful what
Speaker 1: you wish for. There might be very good reasons. I
Speaker 1: imagine that some of what we see. I know that
Speaker 1: some of what we see is our own advanced tech.
Speaker 1: And it's absolutely imperative that we keep a competitive advantage
Speaker 1: over our adversaries. As a patriot, that's paramount. We need
Speaker 1: to be able to defend ourselves. And unfortunately, you can't
Speaker 1: tell the public things without telling your adversaries. So therefore
Speaker 1: the public, for their own good, is going to be
Speaker 1: kept They're going to be kept out of the know
Speaker 1: on certain subjects. And so there's this difference between secrecy
Speaker 1: and privacy, and I will lay this out because we
Speaker 1: need to be able to flip back and forth between
Speaker 1: the two. Privacy is something that protects responsibilities and the
Speaker 1: dignity of whoever needs that privacy. Secrecy is something that
Speaker 1: typically hides vices, amorl intentions and crimes. Let's say I
Speaker 1: know for the most part that what we're dealing with
Speaker 1: when it comes to our government. The subject matter is
Speaker 1: a matter of privacy, not secrecy, if you want to
Speaker 1: look at.
Speaker 4: It that way. Somebody you discovered was recruiting these operations
Speaker 4: in secret.
Speaker 1: There are videos of these operations that were captured illegally
Speaker 1: during these operations that are out there.
Speaker 4: You became a weird, didn't you while you were doing
Speaker 4: these retrieval operations that there was concern from a private
Speaker 4: aerospace company that certain computers had gone missing. Yes, and
Speaker 4: those computers were Panasonic tough books correct five, Panasonic tough
Speaker 4: books six six.
Speaker 1: What happened, Well, we were deployed on a particular task
Speaker 1: to recover what we call hvts, or high value targets.
Speaker 1: Those high value targets were Panasonic tough books, and whatever
Speaker 1: was on these tough books was highly sensitive material. And
Speaker 1: this came about, I have to tell you after twenty eighteen,
Speaker 1: it is quite possible, I will say that the sensitive
Speaker 1: material that is on these Panasonic tough books has to
Speaker 1: do with sensor data video that was illegally captured during
Speaker 1: some of these operations, some of which may be incriminating
Speaker 1: or classified.
Speaker 4: Now I can understand a lot of people may watching
Speaker 4: this may be indignant but there are good reasons why
Speaker 4: some things are classified in the military. Absolutely, So you
Speaker 4: were tasked to get these laptops back, yes, because the
Speaker 4: concern was they could break the secrecy of the whole program.
Speaker 1: I can't speak to what the implications were of this
Speaker 1: sensitive information getting out. You know, my job is pretty simple.
Speaker 1: I get tasked on something, I get given a pretty
Speaker 1: narrow scope, and after doing this for twenty years, that's
Speaker 1: enough for me because everything that I've done up until now,
Speaker 1: I've been very well taken care of, and everything I
Speaker 1: trust the process by which we operate. So I'm only
Speaker 1: pre loading it that way because that wasn't the case
Speaker 1: by the end of this operation. For the first time
Speaker 1: in my career, by the end of this operation, we
Speaker 1: began asking questions we've never asked, which is, who are
Speaker 1: we working for? What is going on? And why did
Speaker 1: it turn out to be that there were two seemingly
Speaker 1: adversarial parties trying to employ us to go after these hvts.
Speaker 4: So what happened?
Speaker 1: So my team and I worked in coordination with our
Speaker 1: contact for this particular task. There was obviously another team involved,
Speaker 1: which is an intelligence team. Most of our intelligence came
Speaker 1: by way of human which is human intelligence, which is
Speaker 1: essentially the reporting of information by a human by their
Speaker 1: own observation and experience. And we recovered our first two
Speaker 1: tough books.
Speaker 4: They were.
Speaker 1: They were in the high Sierras, I'll tell you that.
Speaker 1: And we had first deployed began recon on that particular
Speaker 1: target for the first two in the winter time and
Speaker 1: there was tons of snow, so we continued to just
Speaker 1: observe that location in order to keep tabs on who
Speaker 1: might be coming and going. It's very remote, there's no
Speaker 1: way there. The only way to get there be by
Speaker 1: foot or horse or helicopter. So we did a couple
Speaker 1: of snow surveys and at the time the snow was
Speaker 1: over nine feet so we had waited to for the
Speaker 1: fall before we would deploy to get these first two.
Speaker 4: Are you and your men armed?
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're always armed, yeah.
Speaker 4: Because whoever this was is potentially very dangerous.
Speaker 1: I'm armed when I go to Starbucks, so that's not
Speaker 1: saying much. But we were armed. Yeah. So we recovered
Speaker 1: our first two tough books. We got back to our
Speaker 1: base location and then went through and took photographs. Discovered
Speaker 1: that the hard drives were missing, which is something we
Speaker 1: expected could be the case. We then took pictures and
Speaker 1: detailed reports of the tough books and the contents of
Speaker 1: the casing that we found them in, and we delivered
Speaker 1: them to a very familiar facility which is consistent with
Speaker 1: the company we are working for. And then we went
Speaker 1: back to task and waited for more instructions on where
Speaker 1: to look next for the missing components of these computers,
Speaker 1: as well as the other tough books that were thought
Speaker 1: to have been out there. The next piece of intelligence
Speaker 1: that came through led us to a lake and high
Speaker 1: altitude lake and we found the hard drives and a
Speaker 1: sealed steel container twenty five feet underwater.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so somebody else's going through a lot of effort
Speaker 1: in order to hide these things.
Speaker 4: But you can you can't blame them. I mean, this
Speaker 4: is worth a lot of money if you sell it
Speaker 4: to the right.
Speaker 1: Body, depending upon what's on there. It was clear that
Speaker 1: again this is this. It was clear that whatever was
Speaker 1: hidden was highly sensitive to the employer of the task
Speaker 1: we were on and to whoever was in possession of
Speaker 1: these at the time they were being hidden.
Speaker 4: At any stage, did you find yourself under threat?
Speaker 1: Yeah, So we didn't get much past that mission, we
Speaker 1: never recovered anymore. The very next time we went out,
Speaker 1: things got strange for me and my spider senses. My
Speaker 1: intuition was on high alert because our intel contact changed.
Speaker 1: The rhythm and style of our intel changed. I'll leave
Speaker 1: it at that. And when we deployed to the next
Speaker 1: location to begin our reconnaissance and in preparation for going
Speaker 1: to have a look around, uh, the intelligence became change
Speaker 1: began to change. Last minute. Also, we were given a
Speaker 1: partnered air asset instead of using our own, and we
Speaker 1: took it in good faith. And as we got closer
Speaker 1: to the day in which we were going to deploy,
Speaker 1: intelligence kept changing, and so that that raised my concern.
Speaker 1: We ended up going anyway, and when we got there,
Speaker 1: the h vts were gone and it was clear that
Speaker 1: shots had been fired. And I'm going to leave it
Speaker 1: at that. So when I got back to our home
Speaker 1: base after that, I made contact with our with our dispatcher,
Speaker 1: let's say, and said we're out, We're done, and I
Speaker 1: needed space to breathe. We then deployed our own air
Speaker 1: assets and we got the hell out of there.
Speaker 4: You felt you were insignificant, dangerous, Yeah, And I was
Speaker 4: concerned that we were being set up, we were being
Speaker 4: prepared for the one thing that we've always.
Speaker 1: Offered employers, and that is plausible deniability, and that we
Speaker 1: were perhaps going to be the hidden hand that gets severed,
Speaker 1: and that perhaps we were the ones who may be
Speaker 1: responsible for capturing that sensitive material on the front end.
Speaker 4: Do you think that you and your team had come
Speaker 4: under suspicion for the videos?
Speaker 1: Is it as simple as I think that's very likely,
Speaker 1: or we were a suitable patsy.
Speaker 4: I do have to put one thing to you, yeah,
Speaker 4: because it's an incident that I'm being told about from
Speaker 4: two thousand and four, and I've been told about it
Speaker 4: by multiple people. I've been told that a private aerospace
Speaker 4: company was testing one of its own vehicles, what's referred
Speaker 4: to as an Alien reproduction vehicle an ARV in the colloquialism.
Speaker 4: That vehicle crashed somewhere south of New Mexico, possibly in Mexico,
Speaker 4: and I'm told that a team from that private aerospace
Speaker 4: contractor was deployed and while they were there, another team
Speaker 4: arrived from the US military, and they had innocently been
Speaker 4: deployed by their government to intercept what they thought was
Speaker 4: a potentially anomalous craft, and in the course of that encounter,
Speaker 4: I am told two men were killed. Can you comment
Speaker 4: on that incident.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's nothing I can add to that story or
Speaker 1: a comment on if I did have something to add,
Speaker 1: If I had knowledge of that, it would certainly be
Speaker 1: something I would expect to get squashed by Dabster, And
Speaker 1: quite possibly, if I was involved in something like that,
Speaker 1: I probably wouldn't show it for one of my other reasons,
Speaker 1: which is maintaining the privacy and quality of life of
Speaker 1: my friends and family.
Speaker 4: It's too dangerous for you to talk about potentially.
Speaker 1: It, certainly it would be. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Can you speak more broadly without referring to that particular incident,
Speaker 4: speaking broadly about the implications from the program. Do you
Speaker 4: believe people have been hurt or killed as a result
Speaker 4: of attempts to protect the secrecy of this whole venture.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's my understanding and belief that, unfortunately that is true.
Speaker 4: People have been murdered.
Speaker 1: That seems to be the case.
Speaker 4: You were in a situation where what you were doing
Speaker 4: was plausibly deniable, You felt under threat, you were asking
Speaker 4: who you were working for. Who were you working for?
Speaker 1: Yeah? For the the first time in my career. Let
Speaker 1: me start by saying that for my entire career, both
Speaker 1: in the Air Force and as a contractor afterwards, I've
Speaker 1: been very well taken care of. I was given time
Speaker 1: off to get my head right when I needed to.
Speaker 1: I was given time to take care of my family
Speaker 1: when my wife had twins. I've been very well compensated.
Speaker 1: I've been trusted in everything that needed to be laid
Speaker 1: out before me. When put on certain tasks was as
Speaker 1: advertised and as promised. That all changed in twenty eighteen
Speaker 1: and I cut ties and built had to get rid
Speaker 1: of everyone on my team and build a brand new
Speaker 1: team from scratch, the same way I always had. But
Speaker 1: we cleaned house, and I went back and recruited through
Speaker 1: for very reliable sources the type of team members I
Speaker 1: always have from the places I always have, and we
Speaker 1: set out to try and figure out exactly who the
Speaker 1: adversarial parties were that were both interested in these laptops.
Speaker 1: And again it was obvious to us at least who
Speaker 1: the employer was, but they were now in question in
Speaker 1: my mind as being part of the problem we ran into.
Speaker 1: And it'd be clean clear to me after working in
Speaker 1: this world that perhaps it wasn't this company, perhaps there
Speaker 1: was someone in mid level management or someone completely external
Speaker 1: that was masquerading as representatives of this company, and they
Speaker 1: liked wearing their merchandise. Okay, So we came up with
Speaker 1: a plan and I decided, we're not going to ask
Speaker 1: questions down here, We're going to go to the top.
Speaker 1: So I reached out to the director of security for
Speaker 1: the particular organization and a sister organization, set up a
Speaker 1: meeting with them, and went and spoke to them directly
Speaker 1: about our operation to find out which was true, because
Speaker 1: there was only two truths in my minds. Either they
Speaker 1: were complicit or they were compromised. So either their company
Speaker 1: and their chain of command was compromised, meaning the top
Speaker 1: had noid it was going on at the bottom, or
Speaker 1: they were complicit. This mission that we were asked to
Speaker 1: do was directed from the top down.
Speaker 4: So the question in your mind was was this a
Speaker 4: rogue operation? What did you find What did you find out?
Speaker 1: Well? I found out that the people at the top
Speaker 1: claimed to know nothing about it, and they didn't want
Speaker 1: to touch it with a ten foot poll and they
Speaker 1: advised me to leave it alone.
Speaker 4: So this leads you to the possibility that this was
Speaker 4: a rogue operation. Somebody was tasking you to do things,
Speaker 4: dangerous things where your life had been in danger and
Speaker 4: your team members had been in danger.
Speaker 1: This is a good example for everyone watching as to
Speaker 1: how something like this could be kept secret because you
Speaker 1: could think of me as again, I'm just a security
Speaker 1: and transportation specialist. Everything else i'm speaking to and that
Speaker 1: I know about I gain just from my own knowledge
Speaker 1: and interest of being in the environment. But I speak
Speaker 1: to a lot of things that aren't necessarily my specialty.
Speaker 1: I'm on the very fingertips of this thing, which is
Speaker 1: part of why you haven't heard from me before. I
Speaker 1: am I operate in the shadows by design. I'm the
Speaker 1: fingertips of this thing. I have first hand accounts of
Speaker 1: working with these crafts and in these organizations. They're up
Speaker 1: here at the Shoulder, Like our friend David Grush's worked
Speaker 1: at a very high administrative level. He didn't know who
Speaker 1: I was. He had to find me through the process.
Speaker 1: And so there are things that the Shoulder is intending
Speaker 1: to do. If we're going to use a joint analogy
Speaker 1: that ends up being facilitated by individuals on the fingertips.
Speaker 1: There's another joint in between, that's the elbow. This is
Speaker 1: that mid level something could be dramatically redesigned and repurposed
Speaker 1: at the elbow joint to where the mission of the
Speaker 1: fingertips is not consistent with the mission of the shoulder.
Speaker 4: When you confronted the head of security for that unnamed
Speaker 4: private aerospace company, what was his reaction. Was he nervous?
Speaker 1: Oh, he was nervous.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's quite unusual for you to go and
Speaker 4: knock on the door of a very, very senior person
Speaker 4: in such a huge organization.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, he welcomed me, and this is something that
Speaker 1: we had made arrangements.
Speaker 4: For, right, But was he perhaps freaked out frightened when
Speaker 4: you confronted him about what you told him?
Speaker 1: I know, I'd like to think I know how to
Speaker 1: make myself come across disarming.
Speaker 4: And so he told you to forget it.
Speaker 1: We had a lovely talk. Actually, it was very personal,
Speaker 1: very congenial, and he shared concerns. Maybe I would go
Speaker 1: as far as say he had more concerns than I did,
Speaker 1: and he was at a point in his career where
Speaker 1: he didn't want to deal with this anymore. He was
Speaker 1: making changes in his career to try and think distance himself.
Speaker 1: If he had any knowledge at all, it was clear
Speaker 1: he's trying to distance himself from it. He didn't want
Speaker 1: to get involved. But he did provide some advice on
Speaker 1: who where we should go. If you look at the
Speaker 1: inspector general function of any organization, that is certainly a
Speaker 1: place that he recommended we go. But he he made
Speaker 1: it clear that there were some inspector generals that may
Speaker 1: be a better place to go than others.
Speaker 4: And is that what you did?
Speaker 1: No, I didn't do that.
Speaker 4: Why didn't you go to the inspector general? Because these
Speaker 4: are the oversight agencies that the US government has set
Speaker 4: up to properly investigate these kind of abuses of power.
Speaker 1: It wasn't at that point you got to remember, like
Speaker 1: I had lost all faith and everything. I was starting
Speaker 1: at ground zero. I even fired my whole team and
Speaker 1: was rebuilding my own network from the ground up. So
Speaker 1: at this top of I'm a fingertips guy, so my
Speaker 1: knowledge of the shoulder I was not going to go.
Speaker 1: I didn't know who to trust, So even going to
Speaker 1: an inspector general, the expectation would be for me to
Speaker 1: just spill all. So I hadn't done my homework enough
Speaker 1: to where I felt comfortable going to an inspector general,
Speaker 1: and it wasn't sure that that was going to provide
Speaker 1: me the outcome I wanted.
Speaker 4: So what did you do?
Speaker 1: So the first thing I did is I began expanding
Speaker 1: the list of people whose opinion I was going to ask,
Speaker 1: and through that process, I found myself reaching out to
Speaker 1: the one thing that was always my get out of
Speaker 1: jail free card, which was I knew if anything got bad,
Speaker 1: I could go to members of Congress, particularly Senate Intelligence Committee,
Speaker 1: the Monitor for the CIA and plead my case and
Speaker 1: ask for help. So we started there, and unfortunately that
Speaker 1: was a very disheartening experience because me going there asking
Speaker 1: for their help very quickly turned into them asking for
Speaker 1: my help. You're kidding, no, no, which was extremely disappointing
Speaker 1: to say the least. But they were scared. They were scared,
Speaker 1: and they were running into their own problems of being
Speaker 1: in fear of they were being harassed, and they were
Speaker 1: afraid for their own personal safety.
Speaker 4: So people instigating this UAP legacy program for Congress was
Speaker 4: feeling threatened.
Speaker 1: They were feeling threatened, and other people they were speaking
Speaker 1: to as sources were being threatened, and so they very
Speaker 1: quickly after learning who I was, began asking me for
Speaker 1: personal protection and for strategies to mitigate threat.
Speaker 4: But you're not getting the help you need.
Speaker 1: No, I'm like, I came to you. So that pretty
Speaker 1: much was a devastating moment where I'm like, shoot, we're
Speaker 1: all alone. And it was unfortunately a much more grave
Speaker 1: situation because what it indicated was that our Congress was
Speaker 1: not only ignorant to the subject, they were neutered. They
Speaker 1: were neutered by what they could do about why.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's in your constitution, Jake. The Constitution enshrines
Speaker 4: the idea that Congress rules. Everything is accountable to Congress.
Speaker 1: Congress needs an enforcement arm, so lars without enforcement don't exist.
Speaker 4: So, Jake, hearing your story about a psionic program inside
Speaker 4: the legacy UAP retrieval program makes me think back to
Speaker 4: cases like the nineteen eighty Bentwaters incidents. We're at an
Speaker 4: RAF base, a Royal Air Force base in the United Kingdom,
Speaker 4: Christmas nineteen eighty A craft allegedly landed in an adjacent forest,
Speaker 4: the Rendlesham Forest. Yeah, what do you think happened there?
Speaker 1: Man? That's one of my favorite cases. Once they began
Speaker 1: looking into the history of this thing. That's one of
Speaker 1: the ones that stood out to me, especially when you
Speaker 1: think about where we are now. I'll tell you this,
Speaker 1: if bent Witers happened tomorrow, like this thing.
Speaker 4: Would be over with because they couldn't conceal it.
Speaker 1: No, well, you couldn't conceal it. But it's just everything
Speaker 1: we're looking for has already happened, like your book, for example,
Speaker 1: in plain sight, if you just look, it's so obvious.
Speaker 1: But that one case has everything we need. And I
Speaker 1: don't know how anyone can say there's no evidence of
Speaker 1: extraterrestrial And maybe they're hanging their hat on that's why
Speaker 1: we have non human intelligence. Maybe they're trying to hang
Speaker 1: their hat on this one little narrow place they can
Speaker 1: slip through, which is things are not from outside the planet.
Speaker 1: I don't know how they're doing that. But whatever the case,
Speaker 1: what went on at bent Waters has everything we need.
Speaker 1: It has firsthand experiencers, people that have made physical contact
Speaker 1: with the craft, the most reputable people in the Air
Speaker 1: Force at that time working on a nuclear facility. OSI
Speaker 1: shows up immediately.
Speaker 4: The Office of Special Investigation.
Speaker 1: A special investigation that's a office. Yes, people are sworn
Speaker 1: to secrecy people. It happened on multiple occasions. There's multiple
Speaker 1: sensor data that goes with the first hand witness.
Speaker 4: What do you testimony, What do you speculate brought that
Speaker 4: craft down?
Speaker 1: Well, I'm certainly speculating, but after my experience, I think
Speaker 1: what may have happened in that case is it may
Speaker 1: have been a craft that was attracted to a psionic
Speaker 1: asset or was being operated by a sound. If that
Speaker 1: craft was ours and it was being operated psionically, there's
Speaker 1: this thing called link loss link losses. It's it's a
Speaker 1: common phrase used with drone operation. Drones are or UAVs
Speaker 1: as we call them, unmanned aerial vehicles or uas they're
Speaker 1: also called that unman aerial systems are operated remotely. In
Speaker 1: the off chance that there's a disconnect between the operating
Speaker 1: system or the transmitting side and the receiving side within
Speaker 1: these craft, it's called a link loss. And when that happens,
Speaker 1: our man made systems are designed to RTB or return
Speaker 1: to base, or they can go to designated landing sites
Speaker 1: in a link loss, so that same system would be
Speaker 1: deployed because commonly what happens with a psionic asset who
Speaker 1: is using a form of intuition and consciousness to connect
Speaker 1: with the craft. There's a disconnect we call it, which
Speaker 1: is like link loss. I can tell you when we
Speaker 1: run exercises using the psionic assets in an intentional environment
Speaker 1: to get samples to the ground, we intentionally disconnect the
Speaker 1: psionic asset so that the HPM systems can be energized,
Speaker 1: because there are some potential issues that can happen if
Speaker 1: the sionic asset is still connected to the craft when
Speaker 1: it's hit with an EMP or other HPM.
Speaker 4: I'm told part of their consciousness can stay in the craft.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems to be the case that the human
Speaker 1: being can suffer some form of cognitive injury by still
Speaker 1: being connected to that craft when that craft is de energized.
Speaker 4: There is a case at the Reftbent Waters. During the
Speaker 4: Reftbent Waters incident in the United Kingdom, there was an
Speaker 4: eman called John Burrows who was exposed to what we
Speaker 4: now know was an extraordinary amount of gamma radiation dangerous radiation,
Speaker 4: and he suffered quite terrible injuries, but had a terrible
Speaker 4: time persuading veterans affairs that he deserved medical assistance. Because
Speaker 4: he couldn't prove that this was an occupational exposure to radiation.
Speaker 1: Well, I can tell you I came to know the
Speaker 1: name John Burrows because I've been seen by the same
Speaker 1: doctor as him, Doctor go Nola, for the exact same reason.
Speaker 4: So what happened to you?
Speaker 1: Oh, we're not quite sure. But the first time I
Speaker 1: got exposed to what, in hindsight is obviously a radiation
Speaker 1: exposure of some kind is we were transporting.
Speaker 4: HVTS high value targets.
Speaker 1: High value target which are at this time was a
Speaker 1: large sealed container. I'll tell you I was near the
Speaker 1: continent of Africa, and after this particular mission, me and
Speaker 1: everyone on my team got extremely sick, sick like physically
Speaker 1: ill in the hospital. Within weeks after this, I'd lost
Speaker 1: every hair on my body, which they call an alopecia
Speaker 1: migrating alopecia. And I also lost the skin on my arms.
Speaker 4: So the skin's actually falling off your.
Speaker 1: Body, yeah, like not just falling out, It was lopping
Speaker 1: off within a couple of days, like a severe sunburn.
Speaker 1: This led to a series of all kinds of other
Speaker 1: What I have learned since being with doctor Nolan is
Speaker 1: autoimmune issues. I ended up developing a severe heart murmur
Speaker 1: that I'd never had before, which is the same thing
Speaker 1: that John Burrows had, And throughout my career I would
Speaker 1: have reoccurring autoimmune dysfunction when exposed to other things. I
Speaker 1: ended up recovering from that. At the time, and because
Speaker 1: of the nature of my work, was classified. The VA
Speaker 1: was only dealing with symptomology, not causation in the treatment
Speaker 1: of my injuries. And I didn't even really understand that
Speaker 1: it was radiation.
Speaker 4: So were you treated it for radiation poisonings?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: I was not. Are you being No, No, I'm not
Speaker 1: being treated now for radiation poison But.
Speaker 4: You're being investigated for what sounds like a radiation exposing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Because I had other occurrences later in my career,
Speaker 1: after nine to eleven, when I left my enlisted capacity
Speaker 1: and went to work as a contractor, I've had other
Speaker 1: episodes where I've had other illnesses and I've had I've
Speaker 1: lost the hair on my body and patched out several times.
Speaker 1: And to me, I don't know if this My fear
Speaker 1: is that there's something permanently broken that might show up
Speaker 1: in the form of cancer, God knows what later in life,
Speaker 1: and we're going to be way behind and trying to
Speaker 1: figure out how to deal with it. So I am.
Speaker 1: I did leave the service with the service a service
Speaker 1: connected disability through the VA, and so I'm getting treatment
Speaker 1: through the Palo Alto VA under the supervision of doctor
Speaker 1: Gary Nolan right now, and he's dedicating his expertise and
Speaker 1: his clout to get me the best treatment I can
Speaker 1: get now.
Speaker 4: Professor Gary Nolan is one of the world's top immunologists,
Speaker 4: hugely respected scientist who has, as I understand it, he's
Speaker 4: spoken publicly that he's been involved in a program for
Speaker 4: an intelligence agency in investigating Havana sinndrome. Yes, so does
Speaker 4: it give you some comfort that you are now getting
Speaker 4: the medical help that you should have got all those
Speaker 4: years ago?
Speaker 1: Hell? Yeah it does. And plus he's got the best
Speaker 1: badside manner I've.
Speaker 4: Ever But clearly, because of the covert nature of the
Speaker 4: job you were doing, you weren't told what you'd been
Speaker 4: exposed to.
Speaker 1: Well now we and we transported what we call mystery
Speaker 1: boxes all the time. I have no idea it could
Speaker 1: have been empty. It probably wasn't empty, but we don't
Speaker 1: know what was inside the boxes and.
Speaker 4: What were you told if somebody tried to seize that box,
Speaker 4: what were they told? What were your orders?
Speaker 1: We maintained the authority to use lethal forests if anyone
Speaker 1: tried to seize those boxes.
Speaker 4: So whatever that box was, it was extremely valuable to
Speaker 4: the US government.
Speaker 1: That's correct.
Speaker 4: I have to say, Jake, that the idea that you
Speaker 4: would be so recklessly exposed. You know, a person who's
Speaker 4: clearly patriotic, who's clearly been a highly trained operator at
Speaker 4: the elite levels of special operations in the US military.
Speaker 4: It offends my sense of decency that employers would expose
Speaker 4: you to something so richularly.
Speaker 1: Can I put on my speculative hat for a minute?
Speaker 4: Sure?
Speaker 1: Okay, So if the Air Force, let's say, knew that
Speaker 1: what we were working with that night had any type
Speaker 1: of radiological signature or could turn on or turn off,
Speaker 1: there's a whole set of process that we are we're
Speaker 1: trained in on how to deal with that from a
Speaker 1: hasmat perspective and a containment perspective and a measurement perspective
Speaker 1: on our person to detect the level of risk that
Speaker 1: might be associated. And the fact that none of that
Speaker 1: was apparent that night tells me they didn't know what
Speaker 1: was in the box and it got turned on or
Speaker 1: turned off, which leads me to believe, in hindsight all
Speaker 1: these years that it may have been something of non
Speaker 1: human origin or exot let's just say exotic. It may
Speaker 1: have been something exotic that debated or still had some fallout.
Speaker 1: Let's say that they were unaware of.
Speaker 4: Now, are you the only person that you're aware of
Speaker 4: inside the program who's suffering healths iss?
Speaker 1: No, No, not at all.
Speaker 4: How many are they.
Speaker 1: More than me? And probably fifty one percent or greater
Speaker 1: I would say, are suffering some form of health effects. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll just say that just so you know it's more
Speaker 1: common than it's not.
Speaker 4: That's heartbreaking. I mean, we ask our men and women
Speaker 4: in service to do so many things. The idea that
Speaker 4: because a program is secret, you wouldn't get the.
Speaker 1: Hell, I'm going to push back on that a little bit.
Speaker 1: I don't think this is something that's unique to the program.
Speaker 1: Is we keep saying, I would say, fifty one percent
Speaker 1: of more of the people that come out of the
Speaker 1: military have and they sacrifice their bodies for good reason.
Speaker 1: That's part of what we're willing to do. I mean,
Speaker 1: the ultimate sacrifice. They say is death. Which we've all
Speaker 1: agreed to do, is to give up our life. So
Speaker 1: anything less than death goes in with that obligation that
Speaker 1: we gave up voluntarily. So the military at large or
Speaker 1: anyone that works in this capacity in the broader service
Speaker 1: of our nation, you get injured, especially doing it thirty
Speaker 1: years in.
Speaker 4: The course of your high value target investigation. You met
Speaker 4: doctor Stephen.
Speaker 1: Greer, Yeah, yeah, I did.
Speaker 4: What was the purpose of meeting doctor Stephen Greer?
Speaker 1: Well, first of all, I'd like to say that, you know,
Speaker 1: you could say what you want about doctor Greer, but
Speaker 1: the guy's been thirty years ahead of everyone else on
Speaker 1: a lot of the details of this subject.
Speaker 4: So a lot of what he says is correct to me.
Speaker 1: He's like the Bentwaters, like we had everything we needed
Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty and now we're fishing around from morsels
Speaker 1: of that. This guy, he's he's been ahead of everyone.
Speaker 1: And what I find quite funny is the one thing
Speaker 1: he gets the most shipped for is the one thing
Speaker 1: he's probably most right about, and that is his CE
Speaker 1: five protocol.
Speaker 4: So CE five is when he uses meditation and he
Speaker 4: claims it engages telepathically with the phenomenon.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's his term for it. Like, we don't use
Speaker 1: CE five. We don't use doctor Gridge protocol note or
Speaker 1: other people in the in the program or subsequent programs.
Speaker 4: So CE five is real.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if we're going to use this term, I'll tell
Speaker 1: you what is real is the ability to go into
Speaker 1: something like a meditative state and summon UAP and pilot UAP.
Speaker 1: That is real. It's one hundredercent real.
Speaker 4: Wow. I have to process that for a moment because
Speaker 4: that is just the most extraordinary claim.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, we hope to prove it soon.
Speaker 4: On what basis did you approach toup Degrea?
Speaker 1: My understanding was that whoever was an illegal position, whoever
Speaker 1: was an illegal possession of these hvts, may have the
Speaker 1: intention to expose that sensitive material as a whistleblower.
Speaker 4: You were concerned he might take it to doctor Green.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I was still working in my official capacity of
Speaker 1: protecting the sensitive data that was on these h vts.
Speaker 1: That was my job at the time. So doctor Greer
Speaker 1: was scheduling here a whistleblower conference in DC and was
Speaker 1: holding a large event at the Press Club in Washington,
Speaker 1: d C. And so we reached out to him. One
Speaker 1: of my teammates made a bump with him in the
Speaker 1: Virginia area and shared with him some information to pique
Speaker 1: his curiosity and to also bonafide ourselves as someone he
Speaker 1: should maybe consider listening to. And we set up a
Speaker 1: meeting and I explained to him up front what our
Speaker 1: intentions were, that we believed that there were or whistleblowers
Speaker 1: that might come forward with something that is sensitive and
Speaker 1: it may not be appropriate to disclose. And I asked
Speaker 1: to become asked to be put in a position of
Speaker 1: authority with him where I could vet his whistleblowers. So
Speaker 1: we offered our service to help that whistleblowers. At the
Speaker 1: time thinking our guys whoever was whoever had these HTTs
Speaker 1: might show up with the Redundans. Nope, they never did.
Speaker 1: But it was on this trip that we were What
Speaker 1: was interesting at the time is we were contemplating our
Speaker 1: own whistleblower.
Speaker 4: Path forward because of what had happened.
Speaker 1: Because of what had happened, it was happening at this time,
Speaker 1: and so what surprised me is during this event, a
Speaker 1: young marine named Michael Herrera came forward with a very
Speaker 1: particular story and spoke of a particular operation that we
Speaker 1: were aware was taking place or operations like it. Let's
Speaker 1: say we're going on and I saw this young guy
Speaker 1: get up there and it just spoke to me. Call
Speaker 1: it my intuition that was blessed. I was blessed with
Speaker 1: that night. I made contact with non human intelligence for
Speaker 1: the first time. But my intuition, you know, was on
Speaker 1: high alert that night. And when he spoke, I knew
Speaker 1: what he was saying was true, and no one else
Speaker 1: was believing him, and he was wrong about a few
Speaker 1: key things that he was speculating on. And so I
Speaker 1: made the decision after he spoke to go to doctor
Speaker 1: career and ask to speak with him privately.
Speaker 4: So let me summarize very quickly what Michael Herrera alleged.
Speaker 4: He was on a relief mission in Sumatra, Indonesia. They
Speaker 4: were deployed, he and his small patrol to a particular
Speaker 4: area and they were helping find people who needed help. Yeah,
Speaker 4: in the course of that patrol, they would carry weapons.
Speaker 4: That's something that's been vigorously disputed by some of his colleagues,
Speaker 4: but he's adamant that he was carrying weapons. And they
Speaker 4: stumbled across a craft, a gigantic craft, many many, many
Speaker 4: meters wide hovering in the air, and below that craft
Speaker 4: there was a platform where trucks forward one fifties and
Speaker 4: there were containers that he described that pushed buttons with
Speaker 4: you what he described, didn't he he was told? He told.
Speaker 4: He told the Greer Disclosure Conference, which was in twenty
Speaker 4: twenty three, that the paramilitaries pointed their weapons and threatened
Speaker 4: to kill the Marines, that they were American. They took
Speaker 4: their guns off them, and they basically threatened that they
Speaker 4: were going to be killed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's exactly what he talked about.
Speaker 4: Basically, they were told eventually they were released. They were
Speaker 4: told to walk away with their weapons were unchambered. There
Speaker 4: were no runs in the wind pappens, and they were
Speaker 4: told to walk away. They allowed them to leave, but
Speaker 4: they were told not to look back.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I can't speak to all that, And let me
Speaker 1: be clear, that is not the type of group I
Speaker 1: would ever volunteer to be a part of. But I
Speaker 1: know that there are guys like that out there that
Speaker 1: get shopped out and become part of these programs. The
Speaker 1: particular part that struck me were two things. One, the
Speaker 1: description of his craft. Although the size was enormous, I
Speaker 1: have no experience with the craft that size. But the
Speaker 1: craft he designed was precisely the same craft that we
Speaker 1: had come in contact with in our operations within the
Speaker 1: United States, and that is it was a disc with
Speaker 1: the eight gun construction when viewed from above. The other
Speaker 1: thing was he spoke of the containers and his initial
Speaker 1: speculation was that they made they must have been moving
Speaker 1: drugs because they had something on the top that looked
Speaker 1: like some fortum of HVAC system of some kind. And
Speaker 1: I knew right away those were the same type of
Speaker 1: containers we used for the site team when they're operating
Speaker 1: and being transported.
Speaker 4: So what are the containers useful?
Speaker 1: The containers are used for transportation of the side team
Speaker 1: and also just as an operating base. It's a it's
Speaker 1: a mobile operating base. And so this quickly went off
Speaker 1: the rails because it for some reason, the term human
Speaker 1: trafficking got put into the story after, or got put
Speaker 1: into the minds of the people that were hearing his
Speaker 1: story after I got involved.
Speaker 4: So what did Michael Herrera think? He thought they were
Speaker 4: either gun running or drug running, didn't.
Speaker 1: Hey, yeah, he thought they were That's what he assumed.
Speaker 1: They were running drugs and I knew that those type
Speaker 1: of containers, when associated with that craft, were used for
Speaker 1: the side team. That's why they had mini split h
Speaker 1: VAC units on the top provide comfortable environments inside for
Speaker 1: humans for either transportation or for operation and operate inside
Speaker 1: those containers and they're sealed. They're kind of like a
Speaker 1: Faraday cage in that regard where it allows you to concentrate.
Speaker 1: If you're going to operate from those, you can concentrate
Speaker 1: on your work as a siasset, or they're used to mobilize.
Speaker 4: So clearly, whoever those men were, they were American, they
Speaker 4: were private military contractors, and they weren't very friendly. Now
Speaker 4: are they the people that you feel pose a threat
Speaker 4: at times to the legitimate operations of the program.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it doesn't take many bad apples to
Speaker 1: ruin the batch because.
Speaker 4: To make the point you're at pains, aren't you too?
Speaker 4: Emphasize that generally this is a well run operation that
Speaker 4: runs on ethical boundaries.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the boundaries My primary messages, My primary message that
Speaker 1: I want to get across is that this mass vilifying
Speaker 1: of what's referred to as the military industrial complex is
Speaker 1: a very bad idea, and there are very good people
Speaker 1: that work over here, not just good, the best, the
Speaker 1: best and brightest that America has to offer. And the
Speaker 1: goods and service that are provided by those organizations which
Speaker 1: fall under the military industrial complex are the goods and
Speaker 1: services that make our country the greatest in the world,
Speaker 1: and we benefit from those on a daily basis. And
Speaker 1: so to mass vilify it on mass is not only
Speaker 1: I mean, that's a crime in itself, but it's a shame.
Speaker 1: And we're so hungry to people are so eager to
Speaker 1: quantify where their threat is coming from. We want a
Speaker 1: bad guy, and this is not an entire cabal of
Speaker 1: bad guys. There are a few bad guys like it
Speaker 1: everywhere that operate within the military industrial complex, and unfortunately
Speaker 1: their operations get the spotlight.
Speaker 4: So you decided that Michael Herrera, his account made sense
Speaker 4: to you from what you knew about the program.
Speaker 5: You do.
Speaker 1: I told him, I told him what I believed was
Speaker 1: going on, and that that I knew that there were
Speaker 1: operations going on OCONUS in third world countries to recruit
Speaker 1: and train psionic assets and whether or not this was
Speaker 1: an opportunity to recruit or provide job opportunities to new
Speaker 1: people or he stumbled upon an operation in which they
Speaker 1: were currently being deployed, and maybe they had to evacuate
Speaker 1: themselves from that area because of the natural disaster. Who knows,
Speaker 1: But that's all speculation.
Speaker 4: There's two applications that come out of that. Firstly, we're
Speaker 4: recruiting psionics from Indonesia, a foreign country. Yeah, are those
Speaker 4: people given? Are they voluntarily going they?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's my understanding they're very well taken care of.
Speaker 1: You have to you have to think. And this is
Speaker 1: where the human trafficking idea was a a very unfortunate
Speaker 1: turn in Michael's story, especial after my involvement with it,
Speaker 1: because now, oh great, now we got this guy that
Speaker 1: is at least somewhat indirectly informed that there's a human
Speaker 1: trafficking operation. And when we talk about human trafficking, we
Speaker 1: think of sex trade and all kinds of other things,
Speaker 1: and this is not it at all. It's my understanding
Speaker 1: that the programs that are conducted to recruit psionic assets
Speaker 1: in third world countries, these people come willingly, and if
Speaker 1: you were to go down there and try and liberate
Speaker 1: them with any type of liberation army, you would be
Speaker 1: liberating people that don't want to be liberated. They get
Speaker 1: very well taken care of, they get fed. There's actually
Speaker 1: a sense of pride, especially within the Native American communities
Speaker 1: that have been involved in this program that do cooperate
Speaker 1: outside of KONUS as well. There's a sense of pride
Speaker 1: with this skill and ability. And so again this is
Speaker 1: another example of it's almost like we want there to
Speaker 1: be darkness in this area, and there is not darkness.
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you, by nature of my experience, as
Speaker 1: I shared, non human intelligence itself does not operate that way.
Speaker 1: And so these people that are whose skills are nurtured
Speaker 1: are basking in a gloi light, I would assume most
Speaker 1: of the time when they're doing their work.
Speaker 4: For them, it's a very positive experience engaging spiritually with
Speaker 4: this phenomenon.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you say they're basking in some divinely beautiful
Speaker 1: frequency in order to do the work properly.
Speaker 4: The implications from what you're saying are that if Michael
Speaker 4: Herrera is telling the truth, if he really did see
Speaker 4: a gigantic octagonal craft floating in mid air with no
Speaker 4: visible means of propulsion in Indonesia and Sumatra in I
Speaker 4: think two thousand and nine, it suggests that a private
Speaker 4: military contractor working for an aerospace company was operating some
Speaker 4: kind of reverse engineered vehicle.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's certainly possible, I would say, especially based on
Speaker 1: what I saw. I dealt with a much smaller version
Speaker 1: of an octagonal sasser. This was a bigger one. I
Speaker 1: could certainly see that being possible.
Speaker 4: Can you answer me this question, have you seen any
Speaker 4: alien reproduction vehicles, any replica vehicles made from non human technology?
Speaker 1: I honestly can't tell you with certainty once we get
Speaker 1: into the space, But I can tell you what I
Speaker 1: know has been human, what has been non human when
Speaker 1: it gets into the hybrids, I just don't know.
Speaker 4: Can you tell me how many retrievals you've been involved in? No,
Speaker 4: that's a classified thing.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 4: Can you tell me were the remaining I think four
Speaker 4: hard disks ever recovered.
Speaker 1: The four tough books to my knowledge. Now we stopped
Speaker 1: at two.
Speaker 4: So there are still four hard disks containing potentially incriminating
Speaker 4: material at large.
Speaker 1: So somebody else was hired and they recovered them.
Speaker 4: Is it a question mark in your mind that maybe
Speaker 4: it was a foreign adversary power that was trying to
Speaker 4: cure this incredibly sensitive it's certainly possible. Was there a
Speaker 4: name for the psionics? Was there a term that you
Speaker 4: used for There's a term we used, which is what
Speaker 4: P three program? Why the P three.
Speaker 1: There's three p's, it's the psionic predisposition potential P three. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Now that's not an official program name that you'll find anywhere.
Speaker 1: That's why I'm able to say that.
Speaker 4: From your understanding of the kind of people obviously who
Speaker 4: were capable of psionic ability. Obviously there's people of Native
Speaker 4: American background, people from third world countries that are deeply
Speaker 4: spiritual that appear to have this capacity to engage with
Speaker 4: the phenomenon. Was there any other group that was especially
Speaker 4: susceptible to being able to engage with this technology?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Kids, children, children, It's been suggested to me that left
Speaker 4: handed gay men are particularly good at it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that certainly seems to be the case that there
Speaker 1: is a larger distribution of the predisposition amongst children and
Speaker 1: gay men. For whatever reason the demographic when compared to
Speaker 1: normal society. Within the program, that gay men and kids
Speaker 1: and females are more often seen as having the predisposition
Speaker 1: for the psionic ability.
Speaker 4: I'm again exploring the boundaries of where I can go
Speaker 4: And you might want to say no comment to this,
Speaker 4: but I'm going to put it to you anyway. I
Speaker 4: have another source inside the program who has told me
Speaker 4: that one of the aerospace companies holding this tech at
Speaker 4: one stage relinquished a craft to the US government saying
Speaker 4: that they hadn't been able to successfully reverse engineer it.
Speaker 4: And it has been put to me that this was
Speaker 4: a lie, and that they have in fact got a
Speaker 4: fully flying, intact, reverse engineered craft.
Speaker 1: I've heard the very same thing from a very reputable source,
Speaker 1: so I would I would believe that's true.
Speaker 4: The implications of this that there's a whole secret program
Speaker 4: involving potentially energy technologies, anti gravity technologies that are mind blowing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's fun, isn't it.
Speaker 4: It is fun? Yeah. I mean, I guess the message
Speaker 4: that I'm getting from you is one of kind of optimism.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm very pleased to be at a place where
Speaker 1: this is becoming fun again. You know, when I started
Speaker 1: this journey thirty years ago as a seventeen year old kid,
Speaker 1: as I've shared with you, my intentions were very simple
Speaker 1: and clear. I wanted to jump out of airplanes, kill
Speaker 1: bad guys, and make my grandparents proud. Somewhere along the way,
Speaker 1: things got very confusing and very complex. We're now at
Speaker 1: a point where things are very simple for me again,
Speaker 1: and I see clearly what I want to do with
Speaker 1: the rest of my life, and I have my why,
Speaker 1: and fortunately because of my experience, I have the how,
Speaker 1: I have the capability, and we over the last two years,
Speaker 1: while we've been hiding out, we've been working to find
Speaker 1: a way to bring this operation out of the shadows
Speaker 1: and into an open environment where we could build a
Speaker 1: public private partnership with full transparency and explore all of
Speaker 1: these things that have been explored in secret in a
Speaker 1: way that we can start from scratch. But we may
Speaker 1: be sixty seventy years behind what everyone calls a legacy program,
Speaker 1: but I'm telling you we're going to catch up very quickly.
Speaker 1: And the reason it's going to work is because we
Speaker 1: have all of the people like me that have been
Speaker 1: working there. I call it the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen.
Speaker 1: But we have been recruiting guys from within the program
Speaker 1: and women and those who are associated with the program
Speaker 1: in a very open way and have formed and are
Speaker 1: forming a new team in coordination with government agencies the
Speaker 1: two we would want the most coordination with are are
Speaker 1: coming on board with us, and we also have the
Speaker 1: funding through venture capital.
Speaker 4: Can you name those agencies?
Speaker 1: Not at this time, but I hope too very soon.
Speaker 1: You know, we have some really important meetings next week,
Speaker 1: and I hope that after that time I'm going to
Speaker 1: need to ask permission out of just good faith with
Speaker 1: those folks to see how much they want.
Speaker 4: To be I guess a lot of people watching this
Speaker 4: might be worried that you're getting sucked into, say an
Speaker 4: intelligence agency or a military agency that is going to
Speaker 4: try and shut you down.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, or it could be where we're just the
Speaker 1: we're just the Legacy program two point zero and this
Speaker 1: all goes underground again. I'm giving you my promise right now.
Speaker 1: Our organization is called Skywatcher. We are part of what
Speaker 1: has been defined as the Explorers Club, and it is
Speaker 1: full of people who have the best intentions in mind.
Speaker 1: And there's going to be accountability with her. There's not
Speaker 1: going to be transparency. And I know that sounds like
Speaker 1: a lot coming or sounds like could be a load
Speaker 1: coming from a guy like me with my background, But
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not going to be able to prove
Speaker 1: it to you in this conversation. But I'll say pay attention,
Speaker 1: and I'll paraphrase a quote from the Book of Matthew
Speaker 1: and say, you will know them by their fruits, So
Speaker 1: stand by and judge us for our fruits.
Speaker 4: You've been really touched, haven't you by this experience. It's
Speaker 4: touched you spiritually.
Speaker 1: Yes, it has.
Speaker 4: There was a gathering at Esclain, Okay, and a lot
Speaker 4: of very high net worth individuals who were interested in
Speaker 4: suppression of non human intelligence attended. What happened.
Speaker 1: I think something epic happened. I think something happened that,
Speaker 1: if it was fully documented and understood, would go in
Speaker 1: the history books.
Speaker 4: I had a feeling last week that that was historical.
Speaker 1: It felt absolutely historic. What you had was a combination
Speaker 1: of the world's leading Like most frontier scientists, you had
Speaker 1: people that were top experts in all their fields, and
Speaker 1: then you had a variety of fields that was outrageous.
Speaker 1: We had neurosurgeons, doctors in neurosurgery, We had physicists. We
Speaker 1: had high net worth individuals in the billions that were
Speaker 1: extremely open minded and had a frontier attitude towards all this.
Speaker 1: We had mystics, we had psychic kids. We had children
Speaker 1: from Germany that could harness and actually showcase their ability
Speaker 1: to perform telekinesis their ability to psychically see things with
Speaker 1: their mind, and we're able to prove that to all
Speaker 1: of us. We also deployed some of our psionic assets
Speaker 1: that we've used and are part of our new team
Speaker 1: with Skywatcher, and we summoned UAP. We had the UAP
Speaker 1: come and fly around and visit, hang out with us,
Speaker 1: and take off.
Speaker 4: And I have to say I saw it too. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and it was profound. It's a spiritual experience. And what
Speaker 4: you're trying to do now is replicate in the private
Speaker 4: sphere what's being suppressed in the public sphere.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, we we're not looking back. You know,
Speaker 1: we could. We can leave the bad actors of the past,
Speaker 1: we can leave them with their lives. We have no
Speaker 1: need for that. We're looking forward. I am absolutely confident
Speaker 1: that we are capable of generating the type of high
Speaker 1: quality the censor data and photography and film evidence that
Speaker 1: everyone is wanting. I'm also confident that if we continue
Speaker 1: on the path with our with our government agencies, that
Speaker 1: we're going to get a craft. We're going to get
Speaker 1: material in hand. I know it's possible, it's just a
Speaker 1: matter of working out the logistics.
Speaker 4: I'm just I'm just exploring this with you. The implications
Speaker 4: are that this one part of the black world of
Speaker 4: the US government that is being hidden from Congress, hidden
Speaker 4: from some presidents, I know, working on retrieved alien non
Speaker 4: human technology. It's being kept from the knowledge of the
Speaker 4: American public. And yet there's they're being funded with taxpayer dollars,
Speaker 4: billions of taxpayers dollars. If you believe it. What do
Speaker 4: you think of that?
Speaker 1: Well, it doesn't sound right, does it? But you could
Speaker 1: probably tell that same story around a number of other
Speaker 1: things they have nothing to do with aliens, And unfortunately
Speaker 1: that's the government and the world we live in.
Speaker 4: But the exciting thing is the thing I find breathtaking
Speaker 4: from what you're saying, is you're saying, as somebody who's
Speaker 4: come from that black world.
Speaker 1: Yeah, screw the secrecy. I'm going to say it a
Speaker 1: little differently. The monopoly the US government has on the
Speaker 1: subject matter is not respected by the non human intelligence spirits. Again,
Speaker 1: the skies are not classified, and your conscious cannot be redacted.
Speaker 1: And ultimately, why I feel safe and why I feel
Speaker 1: optimum optimistic about the future is I know that the
Speaker 1: NHI is guiding us that way.
Speaker 4: Can you explain how it is that you're not authorized
Speaker 4: to do this interview, but you ended up applying for ADOPTSA.
Speaker 4: I think our audience might be confused. They might think
Speaker 4: that this is somehow an authorized interview and that they
Speaker 4: are a peaceeople in the Defense Department pulling the strings
Speaker 4: telling you what to say, and that this is some
Speaker 4: kind of disinformation operation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes a lot of sense to me. But
Speaker 1: for what it's worth, I can tell you that's not
Speaker 1: the case. I mean, the dopster process is very interesting.
Speaker 1: It's way more casual, especially on the on st than
Speaker 1: you might think when you take into account the ramifications
Speaker 1: for violating, the mandates that come out of it and
Speaker 1: the subject matter that it's supposedly protecting. But you know,
Speaker 1: they get put in a really tough spot, and this
Speaker 1: is part of something we aimed to take advantage of.
Speaker 1: I guess you could say by interrogating the dopts or system.
Speaker 1: One of the things I haven't shared yet is in
Speaker 1: our effort to find out who we were looking for,
Speaker 1: one of the ways we came up with on how
Speaker 1: to do that was to query for who might want
Speaker 1: to redapt statements we intended to go public with through Dopster.
Speaker 4: So you filed I think, a fictionalized account of some
Speaker 4: of your experiences to dopts it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So any author or anybody that's going to be
Speaker 1: contributing to an author to put something in writing or
Speaker 1: to share it orally like this has to go through
Speaker 1: the doptsor process if you ever held a security clearance
Speaker 1: working for a government agency in the subject matter that
Speaker 1: you are intending to go public on. So right off
Speaker 1: the bat, there's a tail right there. The fact that
Speaker 1: I had to go through Dopster tells you I had
Speaker 1: a security clearance on the subject matter right there. So
Speaker 1: there's their first failure of poker face, and that's exactly
Speaker 1: what we set out to exploit. And so we came
Speaker 1: up with a reconnaissance mission. The reconnaissance mission looked like this,
Speaker 1: We were going to write a detailed manuscript as fiction
Speaker 1: through a ghost writer. When we completed that, it was
Speaker 1: about one hundred and twenty thousand word manuscript. We broke
Speaker 1: that manuscript into actual sections that we called episodes because
Speaker 1: Dopster wants you to complete or submit the entire document.
Speaker 1: We submitted our first twenty thousand words, our first ten
Speaker 1: thousand words, which was twenty pages, and within that first
Speaker 1: chunk of information, we included four types of information, and
Speaker 1: that information's purpose, again was to inform us as to
Speaker 1: what they considered sensitive, and the SMMES which stands for
Speaker 1: subject matter experts, that they were outsourcing the information too.
Speaker 4: Because what they do in the Dopster process is they
Speaker 4: send it out to all of the agencies that might
Speaker 4: be affected by you going public on something, yes, even
Speaker 4: in a fictionalized manuscript, and they say to them, is
Speaker 4: there anything in here that needs to be redected to
Speaker 4: protect national security?
Speaker 1: That's correct, and it could be. You could present it
Speaker 1: to them as fact or fiction. It doesn't matter the
Speaker 1: con text.
Speaker 4: But more importantly, if it's protecting national security and it's rejected,
Speaker 4: it has to be a legally authorized program, doesn't it.
Speaker 1: Yes, it does. So this is what we use to
Speaker 1: set up our four categories of information that I want
Speaker 1: to get through with you. Category one we included in
Speaker 1: that manuscript information we knew was classified, that we were
Speaker 1: privy to, and we knew that was patently classified on
Speaker 1: a very high level. Information Category number two was information
Speaker 1: that was classified but we knew only existed within the
Speaker 1: hearts and minds of the operators that were at the
Speaker 1: fingertips of that operation. Information Category number three was information
Speaker 1: that was classified but you may be surprised to learn
Speaker 1: was already in the public domain and open source. Because
Speaker 1: of the nature of the Internet, there are things that
Speaker 1: the DoD in its partner would say that shouldn't be
Speaker 1: out there, but it is anyway. So we put some
Speaker 1: of that in there. And then we had our fourth category, information,
Speaker 1: which was the most fun, which was where we took
Speaker 1: a little liberty and went fishing. We took our information
Speaker 1: that we knew was compartmentalized, connected it with other information
Speaker 1: that were these fact islands we were aware of because
Speaker 1: of our I won't say how, and then we took
Speaker 1: our own creative liberty at connecting those two dots through
Speaker 1: particular pathway as to why that might exist, and filled
Speaker 1: that space with other fictional classified information. What happened six
Speaker 1: months later, It took six months. We came back with
Speaker 1: seven pages or redactions of all four categories.
Speaker 4: Wow, so one that confirms there is a classified program
Speaker 4: relating to this information.
Speaker 1: Wow, now there was a counterplay here. So although that
Speaker 1: was informative, I have to tell you when they came back,
Speaker 1: our intention was now that reconnaissance mission, having bared fruits,
Speaker 1: was now going to inform how we went back and edited.
Speaker 1: Remember this was the first twenty pages of a multi
Speaker 1: page I would say, the first ten thousand words of
Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty thousand word manuscript. We were then
Speaker 1: going to take that information and write around it in
Speaker 1: order to extract more intel through the dopster process.
Speaker 4: So you were running a counter counter surveillance operation against
Speaker 4: the very organizations.
Speaker 1: That's a red team's best tool right there. You were
Speaker 1: doing four opposition play three, four or five dimensional chess,
Speaker 1: so you play multi dimensional chess.
Speaker 4: So even though they know you and your team were
Speaker 4: thinking about publishing something, they don't know that you were
Speaker 4: speaking publicly on national television about the legacy program.
Speaker 1: That's a good question. No they don't, but it doesn't
Speaker 1: mean I was limited to do that because I have
Speaker 1: to tell you about the counterplay. So there is a
Speaker 1: although they have no poker face, they're in a really
Speaker 1: tough spot because not redacting information means that if they
Speaker 1: just if they just chose, hey, this is sensitive, but
Speaker 1: we're not going to redact it. Well, now, obviously that
Speaker 1: makes it into the public domain. But by redacting it,
Speaker 1: they prove that it's sensitive. So they have no idea
Speaker 1: as to They have no idea as to how you
Speaker 1: acquired the information. They know based on your security clearance
Speaker 1: and your background, because it had to be submitted under
Speaker 1: my official name and social Security number and my record
Speaker 1: in order to get triggered. That's how they know what
Speaker 1: smmes to send it to. The SMEs who I worked for,
Speaker 1: squashed all kinds of stuff. Then it went to one
Speaker 1: of the other smmes I worked for. They squashed their stuff,
Speaker 1: and it came back with all these squashings in the
Speaker 1: form of black ink. Now, let me keep going, because
Speaker 1: the counterplay for them would have been to let certain
Speaker 1: information go so that it could be formally categorized as
Speaker 1: not sensitive and the fictitional liberties taken by an author
Speaker 1: of a fictional book, so they could do that. They
Speaker 1: could have done that, but we didn't really see that.
Speaker 1: What they did do, however, was they got a sense.
Speaker 1: They got on to us, they figured out what we
Speaker 1: were doing, and they said stop. You cannot send anything else.
Speaker 1: You have to submit the whole manuscript. And we told them, well,
Speaker 1: that is the whole book. We're going to release this
Speaker 1: like episodes of a special. This is the whole season,
Speaker 1: but we're going to release it in episode. So we
Speaker 1: have to send it to you ten thousand words at
Speaker 1: a time because that's how it's going to be released.
Speaker 1: And they were kind of caught there and they didn't
Speaker 1: quite know how to respond. So I can tell you
Speaker 1: that since then, and this was a two thousand correction,
Speaker 1: this was twenty twenty two, I think believe in January
Speaker 1: when we first submitted the manuscript and they haven't gotten
Speaker 1: back to us on the rest of it's still sitting there.
Speaker 4: Do you think that there are people in private aerospace
Speaker 4: who think that it's in the that eventually this story
Speaker 4: is going.
Speaker 1: To be I know there are, and we have a
Speaker 1: lot of people in private aerospace that are part of
Speaker 1: our Skywatcher program that have.
Speaker 4: Come on because just echoing the point that you made
Speaker 4: earlier that the military industrial complex is not one big,
Speaker 4: monolithic organization that says the same view thing and has
Speaker 4: the same view. There are people I know inside the military,
Speaker 4: inside the intelligence community, and you've been one of them
Speaker 4: who basically think it's implausible to try and keep this secret,
Speaker 4: and moreover, that the public has a right to know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's going to come out. It's all coming out.
Speaker 1: It's coming out probably like this year.
Speaker 4: So you think yourself, the public has a right to
Speaker 4: know this information, not all of that. Now, what sort
Speaker 4: of things need to be protected?
Speaker 1: Do you think that's anything that affects national security? Like,
Speaker 1: we have to be careful of what we wish for,
Speaker 1: Like we don't know what we don't know, even me,
Speaker 1: I don't know what I don't know. And if we're
Speaker 1: at the point where we have so little trust in
Speaker 1: our government that we're just gonna there's a reason it's
Speaker 1: called catastrophic disclosure. Catastrophic is not good for those calling
Speaker 1: for heads anymore than it's good for those whose heads
Speaker 1: are being called for. Like, we as a public do
Speaker 1: not want catastrophic disclosure. What we need Again, there's a
Speaker 1: few bad apples. We need to maintain our institutions. We
Speaker 1: don't get rid of them. We need to find a
Speaker 1: way to get the right people promoted to positions of
Speaker 1: power and trust, and we already have that. It's called
Speaker 1: the Gang of Aid in Congress. They're a big part
Speaker 1: of that. Right now, it's not functioning that way, but
Speaker 1: we're not going to change. We can't change the structure.
Speaker 1: We need to get the right people into power, into positions,
Speaker 1: start looking into it. And again, you don't need to
Speaker 1: rely on the government, it's already there. Like, what we
Speaker 1: need to know is this, We need to know that
Speaker 1: we're not alone. We need to know that there's a
Speaker 1: profound spiritual component to our existence, and that's just for
Speaker 1: the sake of our own fellowship is creatures sharing this planet.
Speaker 1: But also there's an extreme amount of utility in our
Speaker 1: ability that has been suppressed forever. So if we could
Speaker 1: learn how to use that. And also for those that
Speaker 1: are keeping the secrets, keeping it secret is a bad
Speaker 1: way to try and study something. We need an open source.
Speaker 1: We need all hands on deck, all brains on deck,
Speaker 1: all consciousness on deck in order to find out how
Speaker 1: we can exploit this in the best of ways, in
Speaker 1: order to come up with things like zero point energy.
Speaker 1: Let's say, until we do so, we're going to be
Speaker 1: stuck it with the same problem we have been for
Speaker 1: all the civilization. And that's a battling for limited resources,
Speaker 1: and if we could solve that problem by something that
Speaker 1: might come out of disclosure, that would be something I
Speaker 1: say should be disclosed things relative to national security. No,
Speaker 1: and we can't trust ourselves. We can't say give us
Speaker 1: all of it because we don't trust you. We have
Speaker 1: to put trustworthy people in position and let them make
Speaker 1: that decision.
Speaker 4: Okay, let me ask you this way. Then, do you
Speaker 4: think the public have the right to know that we
Speaker 4: are not alone?
Speaker 1: Yes, I'll say yes to that.
Speaker 4: And the thing I find shocking though, is that the
Speaker 4: most beautiful thing that you've described to me, the most
Speaker 4: exciting thing is what I think our audience is going
Speaker 4: to have the biggest trouble with is believing the idea
Speaker 4: that human beings have the capacity to do things with
Speaker 4: their minds that have been suppressed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've just kind of smile because that makes it
Speaker 1: more entertaining for me because they're going to be shocked.
Speaker 1: But you know what they think. I don't think that's
Speaker 1: necessarily the case. I think there's more people that believe it,
Speaker 1: they're just not talking about it. And I can tell
Speaker 1: you for a fact, even within our world of hardened
Speaker 1: operators at the highest level of guys that are still
Speaker 1: in behind closed doors. We all know it's true, and
Speaker 1: we have the most emotional talks like we're part of
Speaker 1: Oprah's book club. I mean, it's true. And right now
Speaker 1: we're in a moment where the truth is being obbuscated
Speaker 1: and twisted. But the truth, I'll tell you, is our weapon.
Speaker 1: And when we're willing to accept the truth, no matter
Speaker 1: how profound or ear shaking, is when we move into
Speaker 1: a position of power and it's going to liberate this
Speaker 1: subject And you know what, how fun would it be
Speaker 1: if we're right. I'm not telling you it'd be different
Speaker 1: if the government and what was being hid behind this
Speaker 1: subject matter was the fact that there was an asteroid
Speaker 1: on course for Earth, that there is no way we
Speaker 1: could we could redirect it, or there's no way we
Speaker 1: could defend against it, and we were all going to
Speaker 1: die in the year twenty twenty x or whatever it is.
Speaker 1: That's not what's being hidden. What's being hidden here is
Speaker 1: something extremely positive, and it's something we've all hoped for.
Speaker 1: It's the one thing we've all looked for in all
Speaker 1: of our religions that we celebrate right across the world
Speaker 1: it's the one thing that we want to be true
Speaker 1: of our religion, and it's the one thing that the
Speaker 1: one common thread amongst our religions, and so that's what's
Speaker 1: being hidden, and that's what we're going to find out,
Speaker 1: and you can't bottle it up.
Speaker 4: The implications of what you're saying also are that potentially
Speaker 4: there is some kind of capacity to draw incredible amounts
Speaker 4: of energy. I've seen it, the quantum VACU.
Speaker 1: You've seen it.
Speaker 4: You've seen it, I've seen it. There's also obviously the
Speaker 4: capacity to use propulsion systems that are far beyond what
Speaker 4: we're describing now.
Speaker 1: That seems to be the case as well.
Speaker 4: Anti gravity, anti gravity, they know about it, anti gravity,
Speaker 4: zero point energy. Those secrets are being suppressed from our knowledge.
Speaker 1: I've seen demonstrations recently that again proves that the government
Speaker 1: doesn't have monopoly on this. They have while they have,
Speaker 1: we know that they have been working on it. They've
Speaker 1: seemed to have been doing a good job in keeping
Speaker 1: others from making their own independent progress. But that time
Speaker 1: is changing. Independent progress is happening right now and it's
Speaker 1: coming out. That's why I'm so confident we don't need
Speaker 1: to rely on their body of lack of evidence. Let's
Speaker 1: say we don't need to rely on that, like it's here,
Speaker 1: like the shift has already happened. There's people in Silicon
Speaker 1: Valley and around the world that are so financially independent,
Speaker 1: so intellectually independent, and yes, so emotionally and psionically independent,
Speaker 1: that they don't need the government to tell us those things.
Speaker 1: But we still have to work through that.
Speaker 4: Do you think the aliens, the non human intelligence, wants
Speaker 4: us humanity to know about their existence?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I do believe that that's the message that we're getting.
Speaker 1: So you felt that your message, and there are other
Speaker 1: that I know of that are being sent that message directly,
Speaker 1: and they are extremely confident.
Speaker 4: So, Jake, in early October, you made the decision on
Speaker 4: the invitation of the Senate Select Committee for Intelligence to
Speaker 4: go to Congress and give evidence.
Speaker 1: Yes, I did.
Speaker 4: How was that day?
Speaker 1: It was great? It was nice to finally get it done.
Speaker 1: And it seemed like by the time I went, I
Speaker 1: held out so long that by the time I got
Speaker 1: there that a lot of people had already done the
Speaker 1: heavy lifting, like Dave and others, and so they were like, Okay,
Speaker 1: we know, we don't know, and we know that we
Speaker 1: haven't proven to be the most They know that they
Speaker 1: don't have They can't offer whistleblowers the protection we know
Speaker 1: they need, which was my primary objection the entire time,
Speaker 1: is that they offer protection, they have no way of
Speaker 1: providing it. They've got no enforcement, they've got no unfortunate
Speaker 1: they can't protect me, and so things had certainly changed.
Speaker 4: What was the reception in the room. What kind of
Speaker 4: comments did you hear?
Speaker 1: Well, for the most part, it was fantastic. You know,
Speaker 1: there was eight or nine people. I'm not going to
Speaker 1: say versus me, but it was a one v nine
Speaker 1: situation where it was me and there and then I
Speaker 1: had at times seven to ten people. A few had
Speaker 1: to come and go because we went for four and
Speaker 1: a half hours. But it was all ears. It was listening.
Speaker 4: David Grush and Commander David Fraber gave evidence to the
Speaker 4: Congress along with Ryan Graves. The two eighteen pilots set
Speaker 4: with David Grush and gave evidence to the Congress last
Speaker 4: year under oath, and they insisted on doing it under
Speaker 4: oath to emphasize the veracity the truthfulness of what they
Speaker 4: were saying. If you were asked, would you be prepared
Speaker 4: to do the same.
Speaker 1: One hundred percent, And I told them that. I told
Speaker 1: Congress that during our time in the skiff, Now, what.
Speaker 4: Impact do you think you had on the people listening
Speaker 4: in the room at the Senate Selectivitee for Intelligence.
Speaker 1: Well, we laughed, we cried, we had a lot of
Speaker 1: serious talk. So if anything, I would think I came
Speaker 1: across sincere. Keep in mind, we were scheduled for a
Speaker 1: two hour block. We went four and a half, so
Speaker 1: they were definitely engaged. They seemed like they were sincere,
Speaker 1: sincere in their effort to find out what's going on.
Speaker 4: Why hasn't somebody like you with first hand knowledge of
Speaker 4: the program come forward so definitively before.
Speaker 1: That's a good question, and that's what I kept waiting
Speaker 1: for more to come forward. I feel uniquely qualified to
Speaker 1: come forward at this time because I know we have
Speaker 1: this private venture coming and I've already been begun negotiating
Speaker 1: with those government agencies who I thought may have come
Speaker 1: after me, let's say, if they had ill will, and
Speaker 1: it's been proven to me that they don't.
Speaker 4: So there are government agencies that don't know about this program,
Speaker 4: that are aware of the obvious illegality of parts of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know if it's that. It's every department
Speaker 1: has within it a responsibility to deal with shit in
Speaker 1: the sky flying around that we don't know what it is.
Speaker 1: I mean, just start in the FAA for example, which
Speaker 1: is Ryan Graves's particular case he's trying to advance, is
Speaker 1: that you know, there is a safety of flight here.
Speaker 1: There is an aircraft separation issue, a collision avoidance issue
Speaker 1: in the air. If there are things flying around in
Speaker 1: the sky and the FAA doesn't have a way of
Speaker 1: managing that or producing safety reports on it, we've got
Speaker 1: a big problem. And the problem gets much bigger from there.
Speaker 1: And so while we like to speak of the government
Speaker 1: as the government, it is not one big cohesive machine
Speaker 1: that works together. And so every department, like the FBI,
Speaker 1: like Department of Homeland Security, like Border Patrol, Department Offense,
Speaker 1: you know, they have their own niche responsibilities in order
Speaker 1: to make sure things in the sky aren't our adversaries,
Speaker 1: aren't carrying payloads, aren't causing safety of flight issue, and yeah, aren't.
Speaker 1: They also have a responsibility to figure out whether or
Speaker 1: not aliens are visiting the planet and you think they are, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I do. So.
Speaker 4: The truth is that.
Speaker 1: The truth has been out for a long time.
Speaker 4: What would you like to see happen? Like, what's your
Speaker 4: dream You've seen this technology, Yeah, you've filed the sincerity
Speaker 4: of the intelligence that you were engaging with. What would
Speaker 4: you dream of? What's your aspiration for the future?
Speaker 1: You know, what'd be really cool is to be driving
Speaker 1: down the highway, look up and see a billboard advertisement
Speaker 1: for the United States Air Force recruiting kids into a
Speaker 1: career field for UAP research and study, for psionic exploration,
Speaker 1: for piloting technology to other gal like that would tell
Speaker 1: me we've arrived and we are at a place where
Speaker 1: clearly the public and the government are working together.
Speaker 4: Because the suppression of this secret it's not just suppressing
Speaker 4: technology and weapons, which I can you know, as much
Speaker 4: as I don't like the idea of it, I can
Speaker 4: understand why somebody might have made the decision to do that.
Speaker 4: It's suppressing spiritual knowledge that you think the public's got
Speaker 4: a right to know.
Speaker 1: Well, and here's where I would say, we need to
Speaker 1: respect the fact that we don't know. We don't know.
Speaker 1: Imagine weaponizing consciousness we don't think of in this story,
Speaker 1: we're telling we're assuming consciousness is the good, benevolent, harmless
Speaker 1: thing that should be disclosed everything we've researched and understood.
Speaker 1: Imagine if it is the case that consciousness could be
Speaker 1: weaponized and that people like the President of the United
Speaker 1: States could have could be undermine control. That's a huge problem.
Speaker 1: And imagine if someone could independently develop We already see
Speaker 1: this problem with drones. We are so out of control
Speaker 1: with the drone issue that drones can fly around with
Speaker 1: a payload and cause mash casualties because we don't have
Speaker 1: it under control. The f he doesn't we just unfortunately
Speaker 1: we don't have the CFRs, the CODA, federal regulations, and
Speaker 1: the people hired to deal with something like drones. Imagine
Speaker 1: if we had to manage and police the malevolent use
Speaker 1: or the weaponization of consciousness, that could be a really
Speaker 1: big problem.
Speaker 4: Have you done any operations yourself, retrievals or operations involving
Speaker 4: the Legacy program in Arizona?
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 4: Have you seen the rubber duck video which was shot
Speaker 4: by Border patrol from a surveillance plane over parts of
Speaker 4: the Arizona disc Do you know anything about that object?
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know anything about it?
Speaker 4: Are you aware of any underground basis?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 4: Have you visited any Yes? So they exist?
Speaker 1: They do.
Speaker 4: Can you tell me anymore? No, Ras, you can't blame
Speaker 4: me for trying.
Speaker 1: Now, I don't blame you.
Speaker 4: Do you know anything about the Phoenix Light since.
Speaker 1: I'm very Yeah, I'm familiar with that story. I remember
Speaker 1: hearing about it when I was a kid and going, oh,
Speaker 1: that's interesting, but not believing it. But now knowing what
Speaker 1: I know, it seems very clear to me that that
Speaker 1: was a legitimate non human intelligence that had flown some
Speaker 1: sort of craft over Phoenix.
Speaker 4: Which raises the question. All over the United States right now,
Speaker 4: US Air Force baces are being buzzed by what they
Speaker 4: call drones. Yeah, And funnily enough, nobody's seen one of
Speaker 4: these and been able to recover one because so called
Speaker 4: electromagnetic pulse weapons don't work on these objects.
Speaker 1: Whatever they are, not all UAP respond to the same
Speaker 1: weapon systems.
Speaker 4: It raises the question, is the phenomenon making it self
Speaker 4: war overt? Do you think? Is it trying to wake
Speaker 4: us up?
Speaker 1: Certainly is to me in my experience, But you know,
Speaker 1: it's hard to say. I don't know how to how
Speaker 1: to look at that from a completely objective. I don't
Speaker 1: know how much it's shown itself over the decades and centuries.
Speaker 4: Because a lot of people watching this, sad to say,
Speaker 4: you're pushing them up against a barrier of doubt, indecision, stigma,
Speaker 4: and taboo that's been attached to the subject for eighty years.
Speaker 4: A lot of people aren't going to believe this. What
Speaker 4: do you say to those people.
Speaker 1: I'm not here to make anyone believe anything. It's exhausting,
Speaker 1: like either you're gonna get it or you're not going
Speaker 1: to get it. Like we have we honor in our
Speaker 1: own capacity. We've operated Skywatcher already. Me and my team
Speaker 1: on the very first outing summoned a white egg in
Speaker 1: broad daylight. And why I have pictures of it I'm
Speaker 1: happy to share with you. We calculated this object to
Speaker 1: be traveling, depending upon the Slat range distance anywhere between
Speaker 1: three thousand and eleven thousand miles per hour based on
Speaker 1: this size. We're still analyzing the data we collected from
Speaker 1: the range and we're happy to show that to you.
Speaker 1: And so what else could that be? There's this other
Speaker 1: way of looking at this, like we can put all
Speaker 1: this information before you, and you could say, it's not this,
Speaker 1: it's not this, it's not this. We're at a point
Speaker 1: now where the amount of information is so overwhelming. The
Speaker 1: probability that any alternate, alternate explanation for its existence is
Speaker 1: there is so much less than the probability that what
Speaker 1: I'm telling you is exactly what is going on.
Speaker 4: You want this investigated, don't you?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I want to do the investigating. That's what we're doing.
Speaker 4: I wanted. But would you quite like to see as
Speaker 4: a result of this story, would you like to see
Speaker 4: yourself questioned and held to account for evidence and tested
Speaker 4: your allegation.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: We have an opportunity right now to work with the
Speaker 1: US government and as a private partner the place where
Speaker 1: we operate right now. We've been successful before in conducting
Speaker 1: our whole operation, all five phases of it. The US
Speaker 1: government has shown an interest. They know we're capable, they
Speaker 1: know what we've pulled out of the sky. It's consistent
Speaker 1: with the egg and everything else I've told you about.
Speaker 1: And what they're offering to do now is give us
Speaker 1: exclusive use access to facilities because they don't know what's
Speaker 1: going on. Departments there, there are departments within the broader
Speaker 1: branches of the three letter agencies that aren't being read
Speaker 1: into what other sections are. So they want us to help,
Speaker 1: and because we're one of the few groups of people
Speaker 1: that have experience and we provide them a path to redemption.
Speaker 4: So there's a business, there's real there's a real message
Speaker 4: here from you of incredible optimism about what this could represent.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is why I know disclosures coming and guess
Speaker 1: what it's going to come out in the most beautiful way.
Speaker 1: I believe the United States government in the next twelve
Speaker 1: months is going to use me and my team as
Speaker 1: a peaceful, non judgmental path forward to disclosure. They're going
Speaker 1: to help us conduct our operations and gather evidence in
Speaker 1: order to present this subject matter to the public so
Speaker 1: that these questions can be answered once and for all.
Speaker 1: And all the questions I'm talking about, what do the
Speaker 1: craft look like, how do they operate, who is operating them,
Speaker 1: how are they being operated, and where are they coming from?
Speaker 1: We should be able to answer those questions, probably entirely
Speaker 1: in the next twelve months.
Speaker 4: Can I put to you there is a dark state.
Speaker 4: There are people who don't have good intentions who want
Speaker 4: this secret to remain suppressed, aren't they It.
Speaker 1: Seems that way. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Are they going to win?
Speaker 1: No, they're not going to win. They're not going to win.
Speaker 1: We've passed a tipping point. Like I said, when you're
Speaker 1: talking about these people, they aren't organized. You become a
Speaker 1: dark person by by being filled with more vice than virtue.
Speaker 1: Virtuous people win. People full of vice they lose, and
Speaker 1: they're dividing amongst themselves. They're on a sinking ship. All
Speaker 1: of the good people that are in these organizations realize
Speaker 1: they're in a position they need to make a decision
Speaker 1: as to which side they're on, and despite having all
Speaker 1: this leverage and threat that they have that's being held
Speaker 1: against them, they're making the decision to move forward.
Speaker 4: Are there people inside the program who you know will
Speaker 4: come forward when you speak up?
Speaker 1: Yes, I know. I'm going to serve as a huge catalyst,
Speaker 1: and that's going to be an exciting day. The things
Speaker 1: I'm talking about are going to be you know, Dave
Speaker 1: did a great job of paving a path. I'm going
Speaker 1: to come along and try and improve upon that path
Speaker 1: and widen the road. I expect, in fact, the next
Speaker 1: people that are the next groups of folks that are
Speaker 1: going to be coming down this path, are going to
Speaker 1: blow it wide open.
Speaker 4: Do you worry for your safety, for your family safety?
Speaker 1: No, I don't. I don't. I think I'm being protected,
Speaker 1: believe it or not, by the NHI. And also I
Speaker 1: don't put up with harassment. I don't believe in the boogeyman.
Speaker 1: I am the boogeyman.
Speaker 4: You know how to help yourself?
Speaker 1: Yes, yep.
Speaker 4: So if somebody comes after you, they'd better watch out.
Speaker 1: It'll probably be the worst decision they ever made in
Speaker 1: their life. I intend to make it that way.
Speaker 4: Clearly. At the heart of all of this, there's been
Speaker 4: an eighty year cover up where we've all outside in
Speaker 4: the normal world being told that this is nonsense. Aliens
Speaker 4: aren't real, telepathy is nonsense. How do you deal with that?
Speaker 4: How do we reverse decades of stigma and taboo?
Speaker 1: Inform yourself, why are we relying on these people that
Speaker 1: have been keeping the secrets to let us in on
Speaker 1: the secret. Why don't we make their secrets obsolete by
Speaker 1: capturing the evidence ourself and becoming all firsthand experiencers of
Speaker 1: the phenomenon and the technology. Because that's possible, and.
Speaker 4: From what you're saying, Jack, Baba, that's a beautiful experience.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was the most beautiful experience that I've had
Speaker 1: in my life.
Speaker 4: Would you like to see your kids one day doing
Speaker 4: that wok?
Speaker 1: My kids already are believe it or not.
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