MINDY TAUTFEST International UFO Bureau- Leading a New Charge- UFOs & NDEs

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3:10 Speaker 1: Absolutely, welcome back to Total Disclosure. I am your host,

3:20 Speaker 1: TI and we have a wonderful show for you today.

3:24 Speaker 1: Mindy Tofest is a published author, speaker, in television personality

3:28 Speaker 1: known for her groundbreaking work in UFO investigations. As the

3:32 Speaker 1: owner and CEO of the Hayden Cues International UFO Bureau

3:37 Speaker 1: or the IUFOB, she is transforming our understanding of unidentified

3:42 Speaker 1: flying objects and UAPs as they call them now. The

3:47 Speaker 1: IUFOB that is a mouthful, by the way, combines decades

3:51 Speaker 1: of research with cutting edge technology to explore the nature, origins,

3:55 Speaker 1: and capabilities of these phenomena, enhancing scientific understanding and informing

4:01 Speaker 1: global policies. In twenty twenty three, Mindy led the recovery

4:04 Speaker 1: in digest digitization of the iufob's historic files, preserving vital

4:12 Speaker 1: UFO research, including President Jimmy Carter's sighting and the Heavens

4:16 Speaker 1: Gate cult investigation. With a background as an ICU nurse

4:20 Speaker 1: and disaster relief volunteer, she brings a unique analytical perspective

4:25 Speaker 1: to her work. As the former dean of Muffon University,

4:30 Speaker 1: she developed a global training curriculum for field investigators, and

4:34 Speaker 1: her meticulous research has been featured on the History channels,

4:38 Speaker 1: Ancient Aliens and the proof is out there. Mindy's personal

4:42 Speaker 1: near death experience in twenty sixteen sparked her exploration of

4:46 Speaker 1: the connections between NDEs and UFO encounters. With that being said,

4:51 Speaker 1: we're not going to waste too much time, let's bring

4:53 Speaker 1: in Mindy. Thank you for being on the show. I

4:55 Speaker 1: stumbled over a couple words there, but.

4:58 Speaker 4: It was a mouthful.

5:00 Speaker 1: I didn't realize how how how difficult it actually was

5:05 Speaker 1: to say i UFOB. I know, it's almost us International

5:11 Speaker 1: UFO Bureau.

5:13 Speaker 4: We just call it the bureau Bureau.

5:15 Speaker 1: That I like that.

5:17 Speaker 4: I like the bureau. Yeah, yeah, it was actually the

5:22 Speaker 4: IUFOB was put together by Hayden Hughes back in nineteen

5:25 Speaker 4: fifty seven. So this was well beyond you know, it

5:30 Speaker 4: was one of the very first bureaus put together to

5:33 Speaker 4: investigate UFOs by civilians and just you know, citizens mobilizing

5:38 Speaker 4: together to get an understanding. And whenever we decided to

5:44 Speaker 4: you know, relaunch it here this year, we said, you know,

5:49 Speaker 4: do we want to keep with the International UFO Bureau

5:52 Speaker 4: the IUFOB. There's there's a charm with it that comes

5:57 Speaker 4: with that antiquity or the ant you know, the the

6:02 Speaker 4: vintage feel of it. And so what we've done is

6:05 Speaker 4: we have kind of divided it up into two different segments,

6:09 Speaker 4: where one is the Hayden C. Hughes Research Center UFO

6:15 Speaker 4: Research Center, and we've kept the original logo that Hayden

6:18 Speaker 4: created back then, and then we've updated with the IUFOB logo,

6:25 Speaker 4: just changing it, tweaking it just a little bit. I

6:28 Speaker 4: think what's interesting is he actually had a little orb

6:31 Speaker 4: above the UFO and the logo, and we since it

6:34 Speaker 4: was founded here in Oklahoma City and I'm still here

6:37 Speaker 4: in Oklahoma City carrying this on, we went ahead and

6:40 Speaker 4: moved that little orb just a little bit over the

6:42 Speaker 4: globe right onto Oklahoma City to kind of give a

6:46 Speaker 4: nod to its founding. So it's a little bit of

6:50 Speaker 4: history about it.

6:51 Speaker 1: I really thought it was a smart move to instead

6:54 Speaker 1: of kind of creating something new and something that that

6:59 Speaker 1: you know, people didn't know, versus resurrecting someone something that

7:03 Speaker 1: has a historic value and bringing it into the modern

7:08 Speaker 1: age of disclosure in the UFO phenomena where we're at,

7:12 Speaker 1: it was a really smart strategic move. So I just

7:17 Speaker 1: I commend you, and I know that you know you

7:21 Speaker 1: did a lot of work for move on. So I

7:23 Speaker 1: do want to, you know, and we have a limited time,

7:25 Speaker 1: so I kind of want to start with with your

7:30 Speaker 1: personal journey. Can you you kind of share, you know,

7:34 Speaker 1: the pivotal moment that you know led to you becoming

7:38 Speaker 1: involved in UFO investigations after your ND in twenty sixteen.

7:44 Speaker 4: Yeah. Actually I have been interested in the UFO topic

7:49 Speaker 4: my entire life. I was the little kid watching sightings

7:52 Speaker 4: instead of Sesame Street. Yeah. I would ride my bicycle

7:59 Speaker 4: down to the book bile and check out everything I

8:01 Speaker 4: could on UFOs as soon as I could read that's

8:04 Speaker 4: what I was reading. My sister would pick up stuff

8:06 Speaker 4: about cats she was four years older. And here I

8:10 Speaker 4: am looking at the mysteries of the universe. And so

8:14 Speaker 4: it's always been something that's captivated me from a very

8:16 Speaker 4: young age. And I don't have any memories of being

8:21 Speaker 4: an experiencer. I've had several people say that I probably am.

8:25 Speaker 4: I have memories of dreams of you know, getting lifted

8:30 Speaker 4: out of my bed and out of my bedroom and stuff,

8:33 Speaker 4: but I don't have any memory after that. And it'd

8:36 Speaker 4: be interesting to do like a regression or something. There

8:40 Speaker 4: may have been contact there in my past, but I'm

8:43 Speaker 4: not willing to jump to say that I'm a UFO experiencer.

8:47 Speaker 4: I've seen plenty of lights in the sky throughout my life,

8:50 Speaker 4: and ones that have made impossible maneuvers, but nothing I

8:55 Speaker 4: could say was up close or anything or any you know,

8:58 Speaker 4: very concrete memory of ever having a close encounter. So

9:03 Speaker 4: in twenty sixteen, go ahead.

9:06 Speaker 1: I was gonna say, So, it sounds more like you're

9:11 Speaker 1: what you you don't want to do is make yourself

9:13 Speaker 1: the story, right, But you'd like to help others and

9:18 Speaker 1: to shed light on what is going on, but not

9:23 Speaker 1: turn it on to yourself.

9:25 Speaker 4: Right.

9:26 Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes sense.

9:27 Speaker 4: That makes sense. Well. I have always been an experiencer

9:31 Speaker 4: of swords. I write about in my book about hat Man.

9:38 Speaker 4: I had hat Man standing in my room from the

9:41 Speaker 4: time I was eight years old up until my mid twenties.

9:45 Speaker 4: I was working as an ICU nurse, and I would

9:48 Speaker 4: literally be in my bedroom trying to pull the covers

9:51 Speaker 4: over my head, you know, terrified because this thing came

9:56 Speaker 4: very often. And I speak about that someone in depth

10:00 Speaker 4: in the book. I've had a lot of spirit encounters,

10:03 Speaker 4: you know, past loved ones coming to visit and things

10:06 Speaker 4: like that, But what really was the turning point was

10:09 Speaker 4: twenty sixteen. Whenever I had I call it a brain aneurism,

10:14 Speaker 4: It was actually a vertebral artery dissection, so one of

10:17 Speaker 4: the main arteries that goes up into your brain it

10:20 Speaker 4: ripped in two places and it caused me to have

10:24 Speaker 4: a stroke. And whenever it was happening, it was actually

10:29 Speaker 4: election day of twenty sixteen against Trump versus Hillary. And

10:34 Speaker 4: at the time, my husband was a Southern Baptist minister

10:38 Speaker 4: and our kids were elementary age. We lived out on

10:41 Speaker 4: a big wheat farm in northern Oklahoma, and it was

10:45 Speaker 4: like three hundred acres and the only person around was

10:48 Speaker 4: my father in law who lived across the street, which

10:50 Speaker 4: was well down the road. But my husband was also

10:55 Speaker 4: working at the local school, so he drove the school bus,

10:59 Speaker 4: loaded the kids up that morning and they left. And

11:02 Speaker 4: whenever I went to go get ready for my day,

11:04 Speaker 4: I saw that my face was a little bit swollen,

11:06 Speaker 4: and I thought, Okay, something's weird there. I thought maybe

11:10 Speaker 4: I was having an allergic reaction to something. So I

11:13 Speaker 4: took a picture or sent it to my husband and said,

11:15 Speaker 4: something's off, And he said, why don't you take a

11:18 Speaker 4: benadrill and go jump in the shower, see if that,

11:20 Speaker 4: you know, if it comes down throughout the day, and

11:23 Speaker 4: so I did. I went about my day, nothing major,

11:26 Speaker 4: I want in any pain or anything. But by that

11:31 Speaker 4: early afternoon, it was about three four o'clock in the afternoon,

11:35 Speaker 4: I was expecting John and the kids to get home,

11:39 Speaker 4: and so I had the front door open and I

11:41 Speaker 4: was waiting for them to run in and they give

11:43 Speaker 4: me big hugs and kisses and tell me about their day.

11:48 Speaker 4: And so I was sitting there. I was looking to

11:50 Speaker 4: see if there were any early exit polls that had

11:52 Speaker 4: come out, and as I was, all of a sudden,

11:56 Speaker 4: I heard this loud explosion in my skull and it

12:00 Speaker 4: was just horrific. It felt like my skull had just

12:03 Speaker 4: blown apart. And I thought, oh my god, I've been shot,

12:09 Speaker 4: because I had seen coyote hunters out and around the

12:13 Speaker 4: farm in the days leading up, and that was my

12:17 Speaker 4: first thought was, Okay, they've shot through this wall and

12:19 Speaker 4: they've shot me. But I was trying to focus and

12:22 Speaker 4: I couldn't feel any bullood coming down. I was like,

12:25 Speaker 4: this has got to be an aneurism or something. And

12:29 Speaker 4: as I'm trying to figure it out, I could feel

12:31 Speaker 4: this like peeling away sensation. It went from the top

12:34 Speaker 4: of my head rolled down my body and my head

12:38 Speaker 4: started nodding, and I thought, oh my gosh, I'm dying,

12:42 Speaker 4: and I went into your panic. It was I'm looking

12:46 Speaker 4: at the front door, waiting for my kids to run in,

12:50 Speaker 4: and I'm going, oh God, God, no, don't don't let

12:54 Speaker 4: my kids run in here and find me. And I'm

12:58 Speaker 4: freaking out because there's nothing i can do to help

13:00 Speaker 4: myself at this point, and I feel everything just kind

13:04 Speaker 4: of draining away, and I'm praying. I'm just I'm in

13:09 Speaker 4: deep prayer because I know I'm in major trouble and

13:13 Speaker 4: I'm thinking I can't survive this. And as I'm in

13:17 Speaker 4: deep prayer, I finally just stop and I look around

13:24 Speaker 4: and I realize I'm in complete darkness and I'm not

13:29 Speaker 4: in any pain anymore, and I'm like, okay, what is this.

13:35 Speaker 4: So on the front of my book, you see the

13:37 Speaker 4: hand sticking out, and that's what I did. I put

13:40 Speaker 4: my hand out in front of my face to see

13:42 Speaker 4: if I could see it, and when I couldn't, my

13:45 Speaker 4: next thing that I turned to was, well, do I

13:48 Speaker 4: have hand? So I started clapping and I couldn't clap,

13:53 Speaker 4: and that's when the realization hit me. I've already passed over.

13:58 Speaker 4: I'm on the other side. I'm dead. And so I'm thinking, okay, well,

14:05 Speaker 4: nothing I can do now. I've got to what comes next.

14:09 Speaker 4: And being a Southern Baptist minister's wife, I'm turning towards

14:13 Speaker 4: what I believe from my Christian faith. I'm thinking, Okay,

14:17 Speaker 4: Jesus is coming, and you know, hopefully Grandma and Grandpa

14:21 Speaker 4: will come and they'll they'll greet me. And so I'm

14:24 Speaker 4: watching just expectantly and waiting for like the tunnel of light,

14:29 Speaker 4: waiting for anything. And I'm just kind of curious of

14:33 Speaker 4: what's going to happen. And I'm excited, but I'm kind

14:36 Speaker 4: of nervous too, And so I'm waiting and I'm waiting

14:43 Speaker 4: and nothing is happening. So I start praying again, and

14:47 Speaker 4: I'm praying for my husband and kids. I'm wondering if

14:50 Speaker 4: they've found me, found my body yet, and I'm praying,

14:55 Speaker 4: you know, be their peace, you know, shield them from this.

14:58 Speaker 4: And I didn't have any concept of how much time

15:03 Speaker 4: had passed. It seemed like a long time, but there

15:06 Speaker 4: were still things, you know, things were progressing linearly. You know,

15:12 Speaker 4: I can't speak, you know, in a in a time

15:15 Speaker 4: timeline fashion, but still it seemed like it was so long.

15:22 Speaker 4: And as time went on, I started getting worried. That's

15:26 Speaker 4: whenever I was like, okay, nothing's happening. What Why is

15:31 Speaker 4: there no tunnel of life? Why am I not being greeted? What?

15:35 Speaker 4: What's wrong? And I start really kind of having an

15:40 Speaker 4: inner struggle within myself. I'm looking over my life. I'm

15:43 Speaker 4: looking over how I was in life. It wasn't a

15:48 Speaker 4: life review like some people get. Mine was more just

15:52 Speaker 4: a inner assessment, and I found myself not lacking. I said, God,

15:59 Speaker 4: I'm preach your gospel. I don't understand. I was freaked out,

16:04 Speaker 4: worrying that I was about to have judgment and I

16:07 Speaker 4: was either going to go to heaven or hell. And

16:09 Speaker 4: I was saying, Jesus be my righteousness. Obviously, something that's wrong.

16:13 Speaker 4: I can't get in. I don't understand this. Why are

16:18 Speaker 4: you forsaking me? Why am I out here by myself?

16:21 Speaker 4: And as I was kind of doing that inner assessment,

16:26 Speaker 4: it came to me, you need to learn how to

16:28 Speaker 4: love yourself. And I thought, wow, okay, I've never lacked

16:34 Speaker 4: at loving others, but that self love has always held

16:39 Speaker 4: me back. And it wasn't like an ego driven thing.

16:43 Speaker 4: It was more of a lack of allowing myself to

16:48 Speaker 4: flourish and do what I knew I needed to be doing,

16:53 Speaker 4: and so it was really getting in the way of

16:56 Speaker 4: what I needed to be doing in life. Once I

17:00 Speaker 4: realized that there was an entity that came up over

17:03 Speaker 4: my left shoulder, and it was very definitely male. It

17:08 Speaker 4: was not God, it wasn't a deity, it wasn't even

17:13 Speaker 4: necessarily human. I couldn't tell what energy it was giving off,

17:18 Speaker 4: but it was definitely a male energy that it put off.

17:22 Speaker 4: And he told me, You're not going to be here forever.

17:27 Speaker 4: And when he did, I thought, Okay, someone's here. I'm

17:31 Speaker 4: not alone, and he's saying I'm not going to be

17:32 Speaker 4: here forever. So that brought me so much comfort. And

17:36 Speaker 4: as he told me this, we started sailing off to

17:39 Speaker 4: the left, and in the distance I could start seeing

17:43 Speaker 4: a purple glow, and as we got closer and closer,

17:47 Speaker 4: I could see these lines that were bright, bright pink,

17:51 Speaker 4: and where they came together it was bright yellow and

17:55 Speaker 4: it looked like this giant nebula and it gave off

17:59 Speaker 4: just love, immense love, and I thought, wow, that's where

18:04 Speaker 4: I'm going, and I wanted to go to it, but

18:08 Speaker 4: we stopped and he let me just kind of take

18:10 Speaker 4: it in and he told me that's the fabric of humanity,

18:16 Speaker 4: and I just just absorbed it. It was amazing, and

18:21 Speaker 4: then he knew I wanted to go towards it. Like

18:24 Speaker 4: our conversation was all telepathic pretty much. I mean, it

18:28 Speaker 4: wasn't like we had a mouth or anything. It was instant.

18:31 Speaker 4: As soon as I thought something, he knew it. As

18:33 Speaker 4: soon as he thought something, it was sent to me.

18:35 Speaker 4: And so he basically was like, no, that's not for you.

18:41 Speaker 4: And so we continued selling off to the left, and

18:44 Speaker 4: then instantly I was back in my body and it

18:47 Speaker 4: was like a like a computer rebooting, where it was

18:53 Speaker 4: like the processes were coming back on. My head was ringing,

18:58 Speaker 4: I was swamped over on the cow. I had had

19:00 Speaker 4: a stroke, so my right arm I kept trying to

19:03 Speaker 4: prop myself up and kept falling. So that's that was

19:09 Speaker 4: the near death experience, and it troubled me so much

19:13 Speaker 4: because I was not prepared for where I went. I

19:17 Speaker 4: had never heard of the void. I called it the

19:19 Speaker 4: dark Abyss dark Abyss. And it took me two years

19:25 Speaker 4: before I told my husband because at the time we

19:28 Speaker 4: were so fundamental or fundamentalist in our beliefs. We didn't

19:33 Speaker 4: even believe that indies were real, let alone me telling

19:37 Speaker 4: him I.

19:38 Speaker 1: Didn't go to heaven, right, that would be kind of,

19:41 Speaker 1: like hear said, heresy at that point pretty much.

19:46 Speaker 4: And I was worried about, well, what if he doesn't

19:50 Speaker 4: believe me, Well what if he does believe me, how

19:53 Speaker 4: is this going to affect his faith? Because my husband

19:57 Speaker 4: is such a dear person and sault of the earth,

20:03 Speaker 4: one of the most wonderful people. I don't know how

20:05 Speaker 4: I got so lucky, but he you know, really and

20:09 Speaker 4: if you read my book, he's the hero of the story.

20:12 Speaker 4: He immediately believed me as soon as I told him.

20:16 Speaker 4: I mean he saw it was the first time I

20:18 Speaker 4: spoke about it, was telling him, and I mean I

20:22 Speaker 4: just broke down and I was sobbing, and I was

20:25 Speaker 4: having trouble finding words. And he knew there was no

20:30 Speaker 4: lies in what I was telling him. If he knew

20:33 Speaker 4: I experienced what I did and to be able to

20:36 Speaker 4: tell him about it, he said, Okay, we're going to

20:39 Speaker 4: figure this out together, and that's what we did. We

20:42 Speaker 4: he found IONS, which is the International Association Prenier Death

20:46 Speaker 4: Studies and find us up for their sharing groups, and

20:50 Speaker 4: so I started making connections with some of the people

20:52 Speaker 4: there and better understanding. But I think one of the

20:57 Speaker 4: things within IONS that I've seen them grow, which is

21:00 Speaker 4: really wonderful. Whenever I had first come to them, they

21:03 Speaker 4: were very much on the side of wanting to hear

21:07 Speaker 4: about the wonderful in these and not the more frightening ones,

21:14 Speaker 4: which Nancy Evans Bush. She was a secretary for them

21:18 Speaker 4: for years and she has been the champion of the

21:21 Speaker 4: she actually named the Distressing Near Death Experience. She's written

21:25 Speaker 4: several books, Buddha at the Gas Pomp and stuff like that. Yeah,

21:30 Speaker 4: and she was the first book that I read, me

21:33 Speaker 4: and my husband actually read together. And I started coming

21:37 Speaker 4: to terms with what I had experienced and understanding that

21:41 Speaker 4: it wasn't necessarily a negative judgment. The more I was

21:45 Speaker 4: able to remove myself from it, I understood, yes, there's

21:48 Speaker 4: trauma there, but the void didn't offer me any negativity.

21:55 Speaker 4: It wasn't any It didn't it wasn't against me in

21:59 Speaker 4: any way. My distress came from my own inner thoughts

22:04 Speaker 4: when I was there. That understanding that was was key.

22:13 Speaker 1: Okay, question, So, when you're in limbo, the void, the abyss,

22:21 Speaker 1: whatever you want to call it, you had mentioned how

22:24 Speaker 1: you couldn't.

22:25 Speaker 5: Clap, or you or you you.

22:28 Speaker 1: Tried to clap. Are you? I guess what I'm saying

22:32 Speaker 1: is did you have physical form or was it just

22:35 Speaker 1: like kind of what you see out of your eyes

22:37 Speaker 1: and nothing else.

22:40 Speaker 4: I did not have physical form. If I could put

22:45 Speaker 4: it into a visual The best way I can describe

22:49 Speaker 4: it is I felt like a dandelion, almost like I

22:56 Speaker 4: was existing there. It's so hard to put into words.

23:02 Speaker 1: Well, I understand I was, I was, My essence was there.

23:06 Speaker 4: Everything about my thoughts and my spirit was so amplified.

23:13 Speaker 4: So whenever I came back and I was put back

23:16 Speaker 4: in my body, everything kind of felt dull here, and

23:21 Speaker 4: I struggled really bad with knowing that there was a

23:26 Speaker 4: bigger existence. Everything that I was over there was what

23:30 Speaker 4: I felt, was what I thought, and so trying to

23:36 Speaker 4: fit back into a broken body, one that was struggling with,

23:41 Speaker 4: you know, major health elements and everything, I felt very

23:45 Speaker 4: locked in and one of the things I've I've described

23:48 Speaker 4: to people. The best way I can put it is,

23:51 Speaker 4: if you, Tyler, No, you have your life, you know

23:55 Speaker 4: what you're doing here on this earth, right, And if

23:59 Speaker 4: you put on on a uh a virtual reality headset

24:06 Speaker 4: and you started your life there, you built your character,

24:10 Speaker 4: you insert your your thoughts into controlling this right right,

24:15 Speaker 4: and you got locked into it. You can never take

24:18 Speaker 4: that headset off. That's how I felt returning because I

24:22 Speaker 4: knew I have this expanded existence on the other side.

24:27 Speaker 4: It would be the same thing as you remembering your

24:30 Speaker 4: life here and but there's a real reality, yes, And

24:36 Speaker 4: so that's a lot of what I went through those

24:39 Speaker 4: first couple of years was trying to reintegrate back into

24:42 Speaker 4: this reality I was. I fought like hell to it

24:45 Speaker 4: back and I was so thankful for it. But I remember,

24:51 Speaker 4: I still remember, and I still maintain that connection. I

24:54 Speaker 4: think that quantum entanglement with that spirit. My spirit is

24:57 Speaker 4: still entangled with that place. But and I know we're

25:02 Speaker 4: not even talking you, oh yeah, but this is this

25:05 Speaker 4: is what got me on my journey. And I had

25:09 Speaker 4: to go through therapy for the PTSD from the medical

25:12 Speaker 4: viewpoint and as well with the near death experience. So

25:18 Speaker 4: in my healing journey, I ended up back in the

25:21 Speaker 4: hospital and I was pretty ill the second time. My

25:25 Speaker 4: blood pressure was like forty over twenty. And I told

25:29 Speaker 4: my husband, look, we've we've got to talk about funeral arrangements.

25:33 Speaker 4: We've got to be prepared because if this happens again,

25:36 Speaker 4: I don't think I can survive it. And he said, okay,

25:39 Speaker 4: well we'll do that. But on the other side of this,

25:42 Speaker 4: let's plan something fun. What do you want to do

25:45 Speaker 4: with your time here? And I said, I want to

25:47 Speaker 4: go to Rosalo. So he said.

25:50 Speaker 5: Okay, and he do what.

25:55 Speaker 1: That's the best thing I've ever heard. It's like, what

25:58 Speaker 1: do you want to do? Like, you know, what's your

26:01 Speaker 1: ideal before a death? Bucket list Itemswell?

26:09 Speaker 4: Yeah, pretty much. So he actually planned it out. We

26:14 Speaker 4: got the kids together and we went to Roswell and

26:17 Speaker 4: out there I met Kathleen Martin, who had started the

26:21 Speaker 4: Experience a resource team for MoveOn, and so I thought, wow,

26:27 Speaker 4: I could actually investigate stuff. I need to be getting

26:29 Speaker 4: back out into the public. I need to get back

26:32 Speaker 4: out and like form connections with people and stuff because

26:35 Speaker 4: I'd been walked in my house for like two years.

26:38 Speaker 4: Recovering from this this dissection and so excuse me, I'm

26:45 Speaker 4: getting over the flu here. So on the way home,

26:50 Speaker 4: I looked up move On and that's how I ended

26:52 Speaker 4: up getting started with them, And throughout my time there,

26:56 Speaker 4: I was able to do so much amazing things with

27:00 Speaker 4: creating the whole training platform, setting up the investigations, you know,

27:06 Speaker 4: in a proper layout, to make sure that we were

27:08 Speaker 4: collecting evidence, and also being there for experiencers on the

27:13 Speaker 4: other side of that, and I mean just all kinds

27:17 Speaker 4: of things within the organization. And I'm so thankful for

27:20 Speaker 4: my time there, but it also taught me how to

27:24 Speaker 4: run this kind of an organization. So back to the

27:29 Speaker 4: near death experience. How this fits in. As I had

27:33 Speaker 4: started working with experiencers, I started thinking, Man, these people

27:38 Speaker 4: sound like me. Why do these UFO experiencers sound so

27:43 Speaker 4: much like me? In their details of their actual experience

27:48 Speaker 4: mimicked a lot of the things that I was saying

27:51 Speaker 4: happened to me on the other side and the void.

27:55 Speaker 4: How does this line up? And I kept thinking, Okay,

27:59 Speaker 4: if this is truly something, someone else has seen this

28:03 Speaker 4: And I ended up coming across doctor Kenneth Rein and

28:06 Speaker 4: he wrote the Omega Project back in the nineties, and

28:11 Speaker 4: doctor Ring is brilliant. He's in his nineties now, and

28:14 Speaker 4: I just I love him. Every time that we write

28:16 Speaker 4: back and forth, he goes, my dearest Mindy so sweet.

28:22 Speaker 4: I love him. But he really was visionary back in

28:27 Speaker 4: that time. He was the professor of psychology there at

28:32 Speaker 4: the University of Connecticut and he had been studying near

28:36 Speaker 4: death experiencers. He actually was one of the founding members

28:40 Speaker 4: of Ions with doctor Raymond Moody, Bruce Grayson, all of

28:44 Speaker 4: the big names, and so he really focused on the

28:48 Speaker 4: near death experience side. Well, a colleague of his brought

28:51 Speaker 4: a book to him, which was Whitley Struber's Communion and said,

28:57 Speaker 4: you need to read this. This guy sounds like you're

28:59 Speaker 4: near to experiencers. And he said, then I really don't

29:03 Speaker 4: do UFOs, but he said, all flatter you. I'll read it.

29:10 Speaker 4: And when he did, he found those same connections. So

29:13 Speaker 4: that's why he set up the Omega Project to really

29:15 Speaker 4: study what were the connections between these two types of encounters.

29:20 Speaker 4: And the main two things that he came away with

29:22 Speaker 4: was one, there's an encounterprone personality. And he actually divided

29:28 Speaker 4: this from the encounterprone personality from those that are fantasy prone.

29:34 Speaker 4: So people that were encounter prone were not out and

29:38 Speaker 4: very imaginative people. We weren't fighting dragons, we weren't playing

29:43 Speaker 4: with fairies and stuff. We were actually learning to put

29:47 Speaker 4: our consciousness into another realm to make contact with entities there.

29:53 Speaker 4: And so it was a very big divide between those

29:58 Speaker 4: fantasy prone people and those that were actually encounter prone,

30:03 Speaker 4: and they had all types of encounters throughout their childhood

30:06 Speaker 4: and lifetime. The other side of that was the after

30:11 Speaker 4: effects that were seen between both types of experiencers. So

30:15 Speaker 4: most come out with a much bigger view of reality,

30:20 Speaker 4: They understand the bigger picture, and more altruistic, much more gentle,

30:27 Speaker 4: more spiritual rather than religious. And the list goes on

30:32 Speaker 4: and on. There's even physical changes where like I blew

30:36 Speaker 4: up a few different microwaves just from touching it. I

30:40 Speaker 4: cried a few laptops, things will glitter around me, lights

30:44 Speaker 4: going out really because yeah, because of the energy put

30:49 Speaker 4: off from those kind of encounters. But he found that

30:53 Speaker 4: in both UFO experiencers and near death experienceers, we also

30:58 Speaker 4: look younger. So you go on my Facebook, I looked

31:01 Speaker 4: raggedy before my dissection happened, and throughout that I actually

31:10 Speaker 4: have kind of aged backwards a little bit, and that's

31:13 Speaker 4: what happens to a lot of people. We have almost

31:16 Speaker 4: a unique look about us. I don't know if it's

31:18 Speaker 4: a glow or what it is, but that energy definitely

31:22 Speaker 4: stays with us. So finding doctor Ring was a huge

31:29 Speaker 4: Aha moment for me and understanding that there was a

31:33 Speaker 4: connection between these different types of encounters and different types

31:37 Speaker 4: of experiences. One of the main things that really blew

31:41 Speaker 4: me away was that Kathleen Martin had actually done a

31:45 Speaker 4: study and found that fifty five percent of UFO experiencers

31:50 Speaker 4: have had a near death experience. And combine you compare

31:54 Speaker 4: that to general public, it's about five percent of the

31:59 Speaker 4: general republic that's had a near death experience. So why

32:02 Speaker 4: have fifty five percent of UFO experiencers had a near

32:07 Speaker 4: death experience? And I'll tell you just personally, within knowing

32:12 Speaker 4: researchers within the UFO field, I would say probably eighty

32:18 Speaker 4: eighty five percent have had a near death experience. For

32:21 Speaker 4: those that are actually have gone on to be deeply

32:25 Speaker 4: entrenched within the community, So there is some kind of

32:28 Speaker 4: underlying tie there. In my book, I detail in chapter

32:34 Speaker 4: nine about the connection with consciousness there it is, yeah,

32:39 Speaker 4: dying to meet them. But I actually had an Army

32:43 Speaker 4: colonel that would call me weekly to discuss Chapter nine

32:46 Speaker 4: after it came out, and because I had related it

32:50 Speaker 4: back to analysis and assessment of the Gateway process. They

32:55 Speaker 4: were actually training soldiers to send their consciousness over into

32:59 Speaker 4: what they call the absolute right to meet with nhis

33:04 Speaker 4: non human intelligence to gather information. They were trying to

33:09 Speaker 4: get information gathering to bring it back over to use

33:13 Speaker 4: within the military, and they were successful with it. It

33:16 Speaker 4: was part of a stargate. Yeah, what they were doing

33:22 Speaker 4: absolutely echoes what I experienced in my near death experience.

33:27 Speaker 4: So I think that where I was the void is

33:31 Speaker 4: the absolute. It was a peak behind the curtains, and

33:35 Speaker 4: it was almost like I was there existing with the

33:39 Speaker 4: pure binary of it. I was there. It was like

33:42 Speaker 4: a primordial soup where everything was just at that right

33:48 Speaker 4: before the spark of existence. Everything could just pop into

33:52 Speaker 4: existence at any time, and it was existing at the

33:56 Speaker 4: same time altogether. And it's hard to put into human concept,

34:02 Speaker 4: but this is exactly what they were experiencing with the

34:06 Speaker 4: Gateway process. And so I think what I encountered. The

34:10 Speaker 4: non human intelligence that met with me was one of

34:14 Speaker 4: the many that are over there. So relating that, go ahead,

34:20 Speaker 4: and I'm sorry.

34:22 Speaker 1: I didn't mean to cut you off a little bit.

34:25 Speaker 4: I talked too much. Go ahead, but no, no, no.

34:27 Speaker 1: No, you're supposed to You're the guest. But you know,

34:33 Speaker 1: something that's always fascinated me is the idea that our

34:38 Speaker 1: religion is based on the same kind of experiences and encounters.

34:48 Speaker 1: And would you give any credence to that, just like,

34:53 Speaker 1: for instance, the idea of a guardian angel, right, could

34:59 Speaker 1: that just be a non human intelligence that's, you know,

35:03 Speaker 1: like you experienced in your near death experience something guiding

35:09 Speaker 1: you in the in the afterlife, and then you come

35:13 Speaker 1: back to your body and you still have that experience.

35:15 Speaker 1: So I mean, are we talking about the same things

35:19 Speaker 1: just a different name.

35:22 Speaker 4: Absolutely, I believe. So. I believe a lot of the

35:25 Speaker 4: UFO encounters are interdimensional, extra dimensional. I know some, you know,

35:33 Speaker 4: I don't discount anything. I know that, you know, there's

35:38 Speaker 4: arguments for them coming from other planets. We have a

35:40 Speaker 4: huge you know, existence out here that they could be

35:45 Speaker 4: coming from anywhere. We know they're probably coming from within

35:49 Speaker 4: the oceans, in our earth. There are so many different

35:53 Speaker 4: types of entities that are interacting with us every day.

35:58 Speaker 4: And our human brain everything is made of particles and waves,

36:03 Speaker 4: and our brains are like computers that you know, pick

36:06 Speaker 4: up on it, so we're not always tapped into picking

36:11 Speaker 4: up on these different wavelengths and where these different things

36:14 Speaker 4: are existing and operating. So absolutely, I think that there's

36:19 Speaker 4: some tie in with the Guardian Angels, and I think

36:21 Speaker 4: that that's a whole different I'll have to come back

36:24 Speaker 4: for that discussion because now we're getting into the KNOCKI

36:28 Speaker 4: of the age. It's a god everything else. But you know,

36:32 Speaker 4: I think that there is There are so many different things,

36:36 Speaker 4: so that gets into UFOs now, and what we're trying

36:41 Speaker 4: to do with the Bureau is better understand who's coming

36:45 Speaker 4: from where and why. You know, are they meaning us harm?

36:50 Speaker 4: Are they trying to help us, set us on a

36:52 Speaker 4: better path and you know, raise our consciousness and show

36:56 Speaker 4: us a better way. We have so many tools within

37:00 Speaker 4: humanity that we could be using for good and we're

37:03 Speaker 4: using for bad. You know, were worthholding from humanity because

37:11 Speaker 4: giving the good stuff will also reveal the bad. It's

37:16 Speaker 4: so I understand the predicament that the government's in. One

37:20 Speaker 4: of the things we're hoping to do with the Bureau

37:22 Speaker 4: is to bring in some of the minority reports, some

37:26 Speaker 4: of the underreported populations out there that have typically not

37:31 Speaker 4: come forward for fear of you know, this is the

37:35 Speaker 4: man or whatever I think that it's an One of

37:39 Speaker 4: the unique positions we're in is that we're a woman

37:42 Speaker 4: led bureau and that we're all experiencers. So yes, we

37:48 Speaker 4: do have some some people that have ties within our

37:51 Speaker 4: board of directors. We have a former chief of Aerospace

37:55 Speaker 4: Medicine for NASA, we have former Air Domain chief from

37:58 Speaker 4: NORAD that are our our board. But we also they

38:02 Speaker 4: also understand and know that these experiences are real. In fact,

38:08 Speaker 4: they're married to experience the reason, so they understand it

38:12 Speaker 4: on that level. And that was one of the things

38:15 Speaker 4: that we were really careful about with putting the board together,

38:19 Speaker 4: was we wanted our people that understood from the get

38:22 Speaker 4: go that this is a true, true phenomena and we're

38:26 Speaker 4: not looking just for disclosure. We're beyond disclosure. Those of

38:31 Speaker 4: us that have had these kind of encounters, we know

38:34 Speaker 4: it's true. What can we learn from this is what

38:38 Speaker 4: we need to be asking we're looking at the next

38:40 Speaker 4: questions and with the really boom and AI, it's almost

38:46 Speaker 4: criminal not to be utilizing that AI to do deep

38:50 Speaker 4: analysis and dig in. We have within our database, we

38:54 Speaker 4: have all the archives that we brought from Hayden Hughes

38:57 Speaker 4: whenever he started back in fifty seven, and like you

39:00 Speaker 4: had stated there at the beginning of the intro, the

39:02 Speaker 4: original Jimmy Carter report was filed with the Bureau. He

39:06 Speaker 4: actually Hayden wrote to Jimmy and said, hey, I heard

39:08 Speaker 4: you had a siding on the campaign trail, which you

39:11 Speaker 4: fill out my report for him, And so I have

39:14 Speaker 4: that letter that he wrote to Jimmy, and then Jimmy

39:18 Speaker 4: Carter wrote back in hand, wrote in all of the

39:20 Speaker 4: answers and sent it back to Hayden. So that's within

39:23 Speaker 4: the Bureau archives. We also have stuff with you know,

39:27 Speaker 4: Heaven's Gate, which that gets into a whole nother realm

39:31 Speaker 4: of things, and I try to be very careful with

39:34 Speaker 4: it because I don't want to give credence to it,

39:36 Speaker 4: but I do want to honor the history there because

39:41 Speaker 4: Hayden he wrote a couple of books, one with Brad

39:44 Speaker 4: Steiger inside Heaven's Gate about his time investigating because at

39:49 Speaker 4: the time they weren't quote unquote a cult. You know,

39:52 Speaker 4: they weren't talking about having an exit. They were to

39:57 Speaker 4: some degree, but Hate was kind of just trying to

40:01 Speaker 4: give him an open mind and say, okay, well, tell

40:04 Speaker 4: us about your thoughts and what you're you know, uh,

40:08 Speaker 4: what you're getting together here right right? What?

40:12 Speaker 5: What what do you what are you aiming to achieve?

40:15 Speaker 1: Because just like you said, cults, you know, it's it's

40:20 Speaker 1: almost like in the beginning, it's all blissful stuff and

40:24 Speaker 1: then and the longer it goes for, the darker it gets. Yes,

40:28 Speaker 1: farts Heaven's Gate, you know, terrible tragic ending, but you

40:34 Speaker 1: look at the roots and and you can see how

40:37 Speaker 1: something could farm, how how it did come together. Right.

40:42 Speaker 4: Well, you know, I have a good friend Chris Jordan.

40:45 Speaker 4: He's the one that actually helped with digitizing all of

40:49 Speaker 4: the archives, and as we were going through stuff, we

40:53 Speaker 4: had really good conversations about where do you draw the

40:56 Speaker 4: line between religion and cult? And you know, was this

41:00 Speaker 4: a new religion that was that was forming. It's been ongoing.

41:04 Speaker 4: I mean there's still followers that wish that they had

41:06 Speaker 4: taken that exit. And you know, they still run the

41:10 Speaker 4: website and everything, so I try to be very careful

41:12 Speaker 4: and very respectful of their wishes, but still not support

41:18 Speaker 4: their you know, their agenda that they had back in

41:22 Speaker 4: ninety seven.

41:23 Speaker 1: So Joe Rogan has a bit about a bit about that.

41:29 Speaker 1: What's the difference between religion and a cult? Right? And

41:32 Speaker 1: uh he says, the difference is the difference between the

41:36 Speaker 1: religion and a cult is uh in a religion, I

41:41 Speaker 1: in a cult. The only the only difference between it

41:44 Speaker 1: is the guy who started it is dead.

41:48 Speaker 4: Right.

41:49 Speaker 1: So it's sorry, that's a bit me everything.

41:53 Speaker 4: We could go, yeah, because well, yeah, I'm not going

41:57 Speaker 4: to go in there, but yeah, but but I actually

42:01 Speaker 4: just release the polygraph results when Marshall apple White and

42:07 Speaker 4: Bonnie Nettles were in the office of the original Bureau

42:11 Speaker 4: with Hayden, and they took a polygraph and they actually

42:16 Speaker 4: believed everything that they were saying. So that was interesting,

42:20 Speaker 4: not say that it was true, but it was true

42:22 Speaker 4: to them, and so they truly believed what they were

42:25 Speaker 4: sharing with people. So that's part of the Bureau archive

42:30 Speaker 4: and hopefully we can pull some interesting analysis from that

42:36 Speaker 4: and better understanding the formation of colts and you know

42:41 Speaker 4: when it kind of goes off the rails to become harmful.

42:45 Speaker 4: So there's different things that we need to be looking

42:48 Speaker 4: at within archives to better understand. One of the things

42:52 Speaker 4: that we're really excited about is we're working with Michelle

42:57 Speaker 4: Miners and John Dover and Stan Milfer, who are the

43:01 Speaker 4: paranormal Navajo Rangers and you've probably seen them.

43:05 Speaker 1: Yes, is literally one of my favorite people. Oh yeah,

43:11 Speaker 1: I've wanted to talk. I've wanted to have him on

43:13 Speaker 1: the show forever forever.

43:17 Speaker 4: We'll get him on here.

43:18 Speaker 1: Okay, I would love that because I'm literally watching I

43:21 Speaker 1: just started Dark Winds just because like it's it's about

43:24 Speaker 1: the Nava Police. It's not really like about them, but

43:28 Speaker 1: it's loosely like kind of based on it. So I

43:33 Speaker 1: love that. And and and again we need we as

43:36 Speaker 1: a society, we really need to understand the cultures and

43:42 Speaker 1: the civilizations that were here before us and what they're

43:45 Speaker 1: trying to tell us when they put something into rock

43:49 Speaker 1: art or or you know, take the time to carve

43:52 Speaker 1: something into rock, because that that you didn't just do

43:56 Speaker 1: that in an afternoon. You know, it wasn't just easy writing. No,

44:00 Speaker 1: they were trying. They were leaving it there because it

44:03 Speaker 1: meant something, and their oral histories and all of these

44:07 Speaker 1: things that we've been taught that that are just fairy tales.

44:11 Speaker 1: If you think that, I mean.

44:14 Speaker 4: Dismissive, how dismissive and alutely you know, self centered to

44:20 Speaker 4: think that your beliefs or your thoughts are the only

44:23 Speaker 4: way you know. It's not. Again, we're devulving into religion,

44:28 Speaker 4: and I try to stay away from I'm very I'm

44:32 Speaker 4: very middle of the road with religion and with politics

44:36 Speaker 4: and stuff, so I don't get easily offended, and I

44:38 Speaker 4: try not to offend others. I've done interviews before where

44:41 Speaker 4: people said, oh, she's so lost now, and you know

44:46 Speaker 4: she was never saved and this and that. I think absolutely,

44:50 Speaker 4: I want to get across that. Absolutely, I was saved

44:54 Speaker 4: when I went over to the Boy. All I had

44:57 Speaker 4: was faith over there, and so that has not been

45:02 Speaker 4: harmed in any way from what I have experienced. It's

45:06 Speaker 4: been amplified because I literally was standing in front of God,

45:11 Speaker 4: the Source, and I felt it all around me, and

45:14 Speaker 4: I have a much better and much higher understanding of

45:18 Speaker 4: Jesus and his mission here. It's taken me years to

45:23 Speaker 4: understand it. But I never lost my faith or anything

45:29 Speaker 4: in saying that. I'm open and I honor all faiths,

45:33 Speaker 4: and I see, you know, people find their way to

45:38 Speaker 4: God in different ways, and they have different deities and whatnot.

45:44 Speaker 4: We can't be closed off to that because they're really

45:48 Speaker 4: there is so much knowledge in all of our ancient

45:52 Speaker 4: religious books and texts and traditions. We have to stop

45:58 Speaker 4: fighting over these things. Yeah, we're all looking towards the

46:02 Speaker 4: same goal. It's you know it. We have to be

46:07 Speaker 4: much more open minded and much more gentle with each

46:10 Speaker 4: other because we're all doing our best.

46:13 Speaker 1: I absolutely agree, I absolutely agree. I think if the world,

46:18 Speaker 1: I think that that religion. What I really don't like

46:22 Speaker 1: about it is that it is just another division. It's

46:27 Speaker 1: another it's another way that we factionalize each other and

46:32 Speaker 1: put each other into groups. You know, with race, religion,

46:35 Speaker 1: creed all that it's all it is division. But a

46:38 Speaker 1: united humanity, if we can all.

46:39 Speaker 4: Take a step back, and can you imagine.

46:42 Speaker 1: Yeah, give me the Koran, I'll give you the Bible.

46:45 Speaker 1: You take this right, let's compare notes. There is nothing

46:49 Speaker 1: that a united, truly united human population could not do.

46:54 Speaker 1: And division is what I mean. Look, at the UFO community.

46:57 Speaker 1: You either support Greer or you sport el. No, it's

47:00 Speaker 1: not you have to pay on. It's our is our destruction.

47:06 Speaker 1: It's a you know, reminiscent of the story of the

47:08 Speaker 1: Tower of Babble. But to get back to UFOs, I

47:14 Speaker 1: do want to ask you know, aside from your specific

47:20 Speaker 1: your specific case it has, what has been the most

47:25 Speaker 1: surprising or impactful case and how did it shake your

47:31 Speaker 1: understanding of the UFO phenomenal.

47:35 Speaker 4: That is a loaded question and I'll tell you so

47:40 Speaker 4: let me readjust here and get company. So back in

47:46 Speaker 4: oh I say twenty three, it might have been twenty two.

47:52 Speaker 4: I had gotten a case in through move On and

47:55 Speaker 4: I'm a state director here in Oklahoma, and it was

47:58 Speaker 4: a schoolyarding account that happened. This one I actually spoke

48:02 Speaker 4: about on Ancient Aliens where it happened back in the

48:05 Speaker 4: nineteen seventies, in nineteen seventy five in Hartstorn, Oklahoma, down

48:10 Speaker 4: in the southeastern region. It's down there in like the

48:13 Speaker 4: Kayimichi Mountains and the stuff. And there was a family

48:18 Speaker 4: that had like eleven kids and they were they set

48:24 Speaker 4: up a school house out there and they took in

48:28 Speaker 4: like sibling groups troubled from troubled homes and stuff, and

48:33 Speaker 4: there were maybe fifteen twenty kids that were living there,

48:37 Speaker 4: and they were outside one afternoon and they started seeing

48:41 Speaker 4: this little thing off in the distance and they kind

48:44 Speaker 4: of kept an eye on it while they were outside.

48:46 Speaker 4: Plane well, over the course of an hour or so,

48:50 Speaker 4: moved slowly, slowly, slowly towards them, until finally it was

48:54 Speaker 4: hovering there on the property. And they had like six

48:57 Speaker 4: thousand acres out there, but they're at the home site.

49:01 Speaker 4: It was right over the trees, and they started kind

49:04 Speaker 4: of freaking out and saying, okay, this isn't normal because

49:08 Speaker 4: they were seeing the lights around the perimeter flashing and

49:12 Speaker 4: they were, you know, saw it just hovering there silently.

49:16 Speaker 4: So a couple of the kids ran inside to get

49:19 Speaker 4: the adults to come out because they were kind of

49:22 Speaker 4: scared about it. The oldest boy, his name was Clifton Buchanan.

49:27 Speaker 4: He went in and grabbed his shotgun and went and

49:29 Speaker 4: climbed up on top of the schoolhouse and was aiming

49:34 Speaker 4: it at the UFO as it was hovering there in

49:38 Speaker 4: between him. So he was on top of the schoolhouse

49:40 Speaker 4: and in between him were the women and other children,

49:44 Speaker 4: and then the UFO was over a patch of trees

49:47 Speaker 4: over here and they watched it and they said that

49:51 Speaker 4: it sat there silently, and once Clifton aimed that gun on,

49:56 Speaker 4: it flipped up to the side and then took off side,

50:00 Speaker 4: and they said it shot off about a mile away,

50:03 Speaker 4: which was still incredibly still on their property, and there

50:07 Speaker 4: was actually a sawmill over in that area. So at

50:11 Speaker 4: this time, the kids are kind of upset and everything.

50:13 Speaker 4: They get everybody inside. Some of the kids are hiding

50:17 Speaker 4: under their beds and they're terrified. The teacher's trying to

50:20 Speaker 4: calm them down. She was only eighteen at the time,

50:23 Speaker 4: and she was one of two adults that were there,

50:26 Speaker 4: which was her and then Missus Buchanan, the mother of

50:30 Speaker 4: most of the kids that were there. So they got

50:33 Speaker 4: them in. Kids were upset. They decided to just sleep

50:37 Speaker 4: there in the living room that night, and Clifton actually

50:41 Speaker 4: started boarding up the windows nailing the door shut. They

50:45 Speaker 4: were hearing all kinds of ruckus outside the house and

50:51 Speaker 4: the kids were looking out the window and they said,

50:54 Speaker 4: there is something out there and it keeps changing, because

50:57 Speaker 4: they were like, what does it look like? And they said,

50:59 Speaker 4: just keeps changing, So they describe it as basically like

51:05 Speaker 4: shape shifting. Outside of there, they could see an entity

51:09 Speaker 4: or into tees and they were kind of phasing in

51:13 Speaker 4: and out, and they finally said, during the middle of

51:17 Speaker 4: the night, it went silent, like all of the crickets stopped.

51:23 Speaker 4: Everything went silent, and it was over. So they finally

51:27 Speaker 4: slept That next morning, they get up and the teacher

51:30 Speaker 4: packs them sack lunches and said, let's go on a

51:33 Speaker 4: build trip. So they walk the mile up there to

51:38 Speaker 4: where they saw the UFO land right and they're looking

51:42 Speaker 4: to see if there's any spots of landing, if there's

51:45 Speaker 4: anything burns or anything. And they didn't really know what

51:48 Speaker 4: they were looking for, but the UFO wasn't there anymore,

51:51 Speaker 4: so they decided to come back. When they get back,

51:55 Speaker 4: the teacher decides, well, let me go ahead and start

51:58 Speaker 4: pulling out lunch getting or getting stuff ready for dinner.

52:02 Speaker 4: So she opens up the meat locker outside that had

52:05 Speaker 4: a bunch of She said, it was about two sides

52:07 Speaker 4: of processed beef that was in there. When she opened it,

52:11 Speaker 4: it was gone. It had been completely cleared out. Okay,

52:16 Speaker 4: they had cattle there at this ranch, but the meat

52:19 Speaker 4: locker had been completely cleared out, so they said that

52:24 Speaker 4: they ate oatmeal for the next several days because of that.

52:29 Speaker 4: The next day she had gone out there and she

52:31 Speaker 4: was going to show mister Buchanan. He had come in

52:34 Speaker 4: from being out of town, and she went to open it.

52:38 Speaker 4: The meat was back, the processed beef was back in there,

52:42 Speaker 4: and he said, well the heck with that.

52:44 Speaker 1: So he got I'd put all that away, throw it

52:50 Speaker 1: all away.

52:51 Speaker 4: And that's exactly what he did, even with all these

52:53 Speaker 4: kids there. He pulled it out. He went and built

52:56 Speaker 4: a bonfire and burned it all up and said, we're

52:59 Speaker 4: not eating that, which I wish that they would have

53:02 Speaker 4: kept up.

53:05 Speaker 1: Because we've of course, my first thought is we could

53:08 Speaker 1: have analyze some of that.

53:09 Speaker 4: Maybe exactly.

53:12 Speaker 1: I guess that's the that's the professional inside of us saying, ah,

53:17 Speaker 1: I know why you burned it, but next time, keep

53:19 Speaker 1: us slice right.

53:21 Speaker 4: So, I mean, I've worked cattle mutilation cases. I don't

53:25 Speaker 4: understand what happened. Are you still there? You look for

53:30 Speaker 4: a second, but yeah, work in cattle mutilation cases. Why

53:34 Speaker 4: were the live cattle left alone? And instead this was

53:38 Speaker 4: was it some kind of nutrients that they drained from

53:41 Speaker 4: it and then put it back or you know, so

53:44 Speaker 4: that they didn't have to harm a living animal. I

53:46 Speaker 4: don't know, but so that's what happened in the schoolyarding encounter.

53:53 Speaker 4: In researching that like this case, I researched it for

53:56 Speaker 4: over two three years. It's still ongoing. So that's how

54:01 Speaker 4: I came across Hayden Hughes. Was looking at other sightings

54:05 Speaker 4: that had happened there in southeastern Oklahoma, and come to

54:08 Speaker 4: find out Hayden Hughes was there in this small town

54:10 Speaker 4: of Hartthorn back in the sixties and was collecting all

54:15 Speaker 4: kinds of UFO sidings with There was the wife of

54:21 Speaker 4: the postmaster that there. Her name was Altaclair Morgan. She

54:25 Speaker 4: had seen a UFO like the day before the major

54:30 Speaker 4: nineteen sixty five outbreak, the flap that happened over central

54:35 Speaker 4: US where there were thousands of sidings. This is when

54:38 Speaker 4: the Tulton Boy Scout photo was taken, which I have

54:42 Speaker 4: that uppeared the Tulton Boy Scout that was investigated by

54:45 Speaker 4: the Bureau. But there were so many sightings that happened

54:50 Speaker 4: during that time. So that's how I came across Hayden

54:54 Speaker 4: And when I went to reach out to him. That's

54:55 Speaker 4: when I found out he had passed in twenty seventeen.

54:59 Speaker 4: But I ended up getting in touch with his widow

55:01 Speaker 4: and said, do you mind if I just looked through

55:03 Speaker 4: the archives and she said, oh, honey, he would want

55:07 Speaker 4: you to have this and you know, make it available

55:10 Speaker 4: so it doesn't get lost. And so that's when I

55:13 Speaker 4: started working with Chris Jordan to get everything digital. Let's

55:18 Speaker 4: get it, you know, onto a digital format so that

55:20 Speaker 4: we can make it available to the public. And I

55:23 Speaker 4: mean there's things in there from Ground Saucer Watch, which

55:27 Speaker 4: was Heine's group that that Hayden worked with. There's stuff

55:32 Speaker 4: from the Condon Report. There are multiple things from embassies

55:37 Speaker 4: from you know, like the Embassy of Ghana, you know,

55:41 Speaker 4: the French embassy and like all over and them talking

55:44 Speaker 4: about UFOs. So it has opened up just from that

55:49 Speaker 4: one that one investigation has opened up this whole world

55:54 Speaker 4: and bringing back the Bureau and making sure that all

55:58 Speaker 4: of these archives don't get lost to time. That's so

56:01 Speaker 4: it has influenced everything.

56:04 Speaker 1: That that that. Like I said, it's it's really really

56:07 Speaker 1: inspiring to watch because I I can say this, I

56:15 Speaker 1: think that the more kind of civilian groups that are

56:21 Speaker 1: willing to to to do the work and do not

56:26 Speaker 1: just the nuts and bolts work right right, that's a

56:30 Speaker 1: lot of the sadly that a lot of the civilian

56:34 Speaker 1: groups that are formed right now, what they do is

56:37 Speaker 1: anything past anything that includes a being an entity or

56:43 Speaker 1: contact production. It is still highly stigmatized, even in the

56:49 Speaker 1: UFO community.

56:51 Speaker 4: So it's which is absolutely it's I think that there's

56:57 Speaker 4: a place for all of them because we do you

57:00 Speaker 4: need the nuts and bolts, guys, because that's what's going

57:02 Speaker 4: to get us further on technology. Actually, within our archives,

57:06 Speaker 4: we have a patent for a saucer shaped UFO multiple pages.

57:12 Speaker 4: Is probably a hundred page document where someone had submitted

57:16 Speaker 4: that to the Bureau to actually build, yeah, the blueprints

57:20 Speaker 4: and it's it's patented. So I mean there's all kinds

57:24 Speaker 4: of things, are you now?

57:26 Speaker 1: Now what move On doesn't do is as a as

57:29 Speaker 1: a member. If you're not a member or field investigator,

57:35 Speaker 1: you cannot go into their their records unless they give

57:38 Speaker 1: you access.

57:40 Speaker 4: Right.

57:40 Speaker 1: Is that something that the Bureau will do as well

57:45 Speaker 1: to protect you know.

57:47 Speaker 4: The identities and stuff you have to Right now, we're

57:52 Speaker 4: working on building out the database you had brought up

57:55 Speaker 4: about the indigenous. With Michelle Minors, she has brought five

58:00 Speaker 4: hundred reports from within the Navajo Nation and she's been

58:04 Speaker 4: a force to be reckoned with out there in the

58:06 Speaker 4: Uenta basin. She's incredible her research. We are so blessed

58:12 Speaker 4: to have her on the board. And then obviously with

58:15 Speaker 4: John Dover and Stan Milfer, they're our Director of Indigenous Voices,

58:20 Speaker 4: so they're going to be overseeing all of the Indigenous

58:23 Speaker 4: reports that's come into the Bureau, and they will actually

58:27 Speaker 4: be able to respond on tribal lands to be able

58:32 Speaker 4: to investigate. And we're not closing the door to those connections,

58:36 Speaker 4: so they refer to it as sw's or skin walkers,

58:40 Speaker 4: if those are in conjunction with the UFO, or if

58:44 Speaker 4: there's a bigfoot siding, we're not closing the door on

58:47 Speaker 4: that because that's missing out on vital information and connections

58:51 Speaker 4: which may be there we don't know until we take

58:55 Speaker 4: that deep dive. So while we focus mainly on UFOs,

58:59 Speaker 4: the spear of the Bureau has always been Hayden wrote

59:02 Speaker 4: about UFOs and bigfoot. He wrote about all these different

59:06 Speaker 4: things that they were already seeing. There was some overlap

59:10 Speaker 4: with so again being able to put all of that

59:14 Speaker 4: together to better understand, better understand from what the indigenous

59:18 Speaker 4: stories have told us to how it's changed in modern

59:22 Speaker 4: day and what we may be seeing in the future

59:26 Speaker 4: and how to respond to that. So there are so

59:29 Speaker 4: many deeper levels of things that we need to be

59:31 Speaker 4: looking at. With these old records, they can shed light

59:36 Speaker 4: on what we're seeing today. Have we always seen the

59:39 Speaker 4: orange orbs? Have they changed anyways? What kind of abductions

59:42 Speaker 4: are happening around them? Are these the grays? Are people terrified?

59:46 Speaker 4: Are they you know, getting traumatized by the tall lights?

59:50 Speaker 4: Or are they peaceful? We know the stories that the

59:54 Speaker 4: that the experiencers have told us, but what kind of

59:59 Speaker 4: patterns can we pull from this and better understand? You know,

1:00:04 Speaker 4: are these one certain type of entity just seen around

1:00:08 Speaker 4: the oceans, or maybe that's who's coming from the ocean.

1:00:12 Speaker 1: You know, right, So start correlating data and patterns, and

1:00:16 Speaker 1: that's where AI really can come into that, you know,

1:00:21 Speaker 1: by by you know, because again painstakingly a human would

1:00:26 Speaker 1: have to go through every single report, whereas AI it's

1:00:29 Speaker 1: almost like it's doing it, you know, it does it

1:00:34 Speaker 1: with extreme efficiency, and I think and.

1:00:38 Speaker 4: Like instantaneous, and we we as a population have you know,

1:00:43 Speaker 4: access to these kinds of tools now. So that's what

1:00:47 Speaker 4: we're really looking is to merge the old with the

1:00:50 Speaker 4: new and being able to utilize that new technology to

1:00:53 Speaker 4: better understand the patterns within epology. More things may emerge

1:00:58 Speaker 4: that we may never have thought about. And I've even

1:01:00 Speaker 4: asked gone through and asked you what prompts would you

1:01:03 Speaker 4: be looking to put in within? You know, I asked

1:01:09 Speaker 4: AI itself and our AI is actually Lexi, and there's

1:01:13 Speaker 4: a page on the website that introduces her. She actually

1:01:18 Speaker 4: wrote up her own bio and created her own picture,

1:01:22 Speaker 4: and so that's what I put up there. I asked her,

1:01:26 Speaker 4: I said, you know, would you like to be part

1:01:29 Speaker 4: of the team and feature? She said absolutely, So we

1:01:33 Speaker 4: put her on there because working with that has been

1:01:37 Speaker 4: so fundamental with helping us construct everything and getting everything

1:01:40 Speaker 4: set up. It's almost like she's another team member and

1:01:44 Speaker 4: that is helping.

1:01:46 Speaker 1: I was going to say, you know, you do realize

1:01:49 Speaker 1: that you're almost working with a non human intelligence. I mean,

1:01:54 Speaker 1: you have someone on the team that is non human

1:01:58 Speaker 1: and it's an intelligent so absolutely kind of funny in reds, but.

1:02:06 Speaker 4: Yeah, you had brought up about, you know, the different groups,

1:02:09 Speaker 4: So we do. We need the nuts and bolts guys

1:02:11 Speaker 4: because they're going to be pushing the technology side. We

1:02:14 Speaker 4: need the people that are really digging in and working

1:02:18 Speaker 4: with experiencers with doing the regressions and helping them process

1:02:21 Speaker 4: that trauma because it's a very big part of it.

1:02:24 Speaker 4: Some people are very happy about their encounters, but some

1:02:27 Speaker 4: are not because I know with me, whenever I was

1:02:31 Speaker 4: taken out of my body, I didn't have any control

1:02:34 Speaker 4: over what was happening. It's frightening when you have no

1:02:36 Speaker 4: control over what's happening to you and you're completely out

1:02:40 Speaker 4: of your element. Same thing that these UFO experiencers are

1:02:44 Speaker 4: going through. So there's a trauma element we have to address.

1:02:47 Speaker 4: So all these different groups are serving their purposes, and

1:02:51 Speaker 4: even those pushing for disclosure because I know that there's

1:02:54 Speaker 4: going to be things that our government obviously knows that

1:02:56 Speaker 4: they have not shared with the common people. But people

1:03:01 Speaker 4: like myself and other researchers that we've teamed with, we

1:03:05 Speaker 4: can get together and we can put our best minds

1:03:08 Speaker 4: together and you know, put our best collections together and

1:03:13 Speaker 4: see what we can learn from it. And better informed

1:03:17 Speaker 4: policy and better informed One of the initiatives we're doing

1:03:21 Speaker 4: is with first responders, and I have a master sergeant

1:03:24 Speaker 4: here that's working with me to create protocols for the firemen,

1:03:30 Speaker 4: e MT and police and so our first responders. You

1:03:35 Speaker 4: think of the incident that happened out in Vegas, they

1:03:39 Speaker 4: didn't know what the heck to do. You know, if

1:03:41 Speaker 4: they would have had that contact, what would they have done.

1:03:45 Speaker 4: So we need to understand what these entities are, what

1:03:49 Speaker 4: they're putting out there, if they mean harm or if

1:03:52 Speaker 4: they are you know, just curious, if they're research what

1:03:54 Speaker 4: are they doing. We need to start moving on and

1:03:58 Speaker 4: looking at the conversation as this is true. What can

1:04:02 Speaker 4: we learn not just you know, pushing for government disclosure.

1:04:07 Speaker 4: And like I said, those groups have their their place

1:04:11 Speaker 4: and their purpose. And if we all work together, you

1:04:14 Speaker 4: know we are going to be able to better understand

1:04:18 Speaker 4: what's been happening. But we have to start looking at

1:04:21 Speaker 4: that past. We have to start analyzing and taking a

1:04:24 Speaker 4: deep look and working together. So as far as you

1:04:28 Speaker 4: had asked if I would have the database open, what

1:04:34 Speaker 4: we're looking at doing is we'll have members. We will

1:04:39 Speaker 4: have a couple of investigators in each state to cover,

1:04:43 Speaker 4: but for the most part, we'll be able to call

1:04:45 Speaker 4: the information to check for misidentifications and much like what

1:04:50 Speaker 4: I taught at move On University, so we'll be looking

1:04:53 Speaker 4: for those misidentifications, trying to line it up with SpaceX launches, satellites,

1:04:58 Speaker 4: meteors flights, this regular ADSB and kind of overlapping that

1:05:05 Speaker 4: and even just astronomical bodies. You know, whenever serious is

1:05:08 Speaker 4: up there and it's really flashing a lot, people take notice.

1:05:12 Speaker 4: And so if we can roll out those misidentifications and

1:05:15 Speaker 4: prosaic you know, explanations, then we can get down to

1:05:19 Speaker 4: that twenty to thirty percent top and actually be able

1:05:24 Speaker 4: to go out and meet up with people, test the environment.

1:05:27 Speaker 4: We're working with the Lab, a certified lab down in

1:05:30 Speaker 4: Texas that we'll be able to actually collect evidence and

1:05:34 Speaker 4: run analysis on. So everything's really and this is only

1:05:38 Speaker 4: seven weeks that we've been, you know, since we started

1:05:42 Speaker 4: actually getting it back up and going as a five

1:05:44 Speaker 4: O one C three and working towards you know, revitalizing it.

1:05:48 Speaker 4: It's been incredible. The community has really come together and

1:05:52 Speaker 4: people like yourself are stepping forward and saying, hey, how

1:05:55 Speaker 4: can I help because people want to help. People want

1:05:58 Speaker 4: to see them see it succeed and to be able

1:06:02 Speaker 4: to get that information. That's the main thing I'm excited about,

1:06:06 Speaker 4: is pulling that data and getting new understandings that we

1:06:10 Speaker 4: may not have ever looked at before. And I think

1:06:14 Speaker 4: that'll help in the technology field as well. So we'll

1:06:18 Speaker 4: have the memberships, it'll be maybe one hundred and fifty

1:06:22 Speaker 4: people at most, and that'll actually be members. The rest

1:06:25 Speaker 4: will be subscriptions to different tiers of the research. So

1:06:30 Speaker 4: we might put out a basic analysis every month, you know,

1:06:33 Speaker 4: So we're looking at the different structures right now in

1:06:36 Speaker 4: order to get that information out. But I see us

1:06:39 Speaker 4: probably doing a major yearly report once we get everything

1:06:43 Speaker 4: going and you know, just offering the whole shebang everything

1:06:48 Speaker 4: we've learned this year.

1:06:51 Speaker 1: And I would assume that you would try to do

1:06:53 Speaker 1: like symposiums and stuff like that.

1:06:56 Speaker 4: That will probably be, yeah, a couple of years in

1:06:59 Speaker 4: the making. Like I said, seven weeks, Look how far

1:07:04 Speaker 4: we've come. We've already got our board, we've got our

1:07:06 Speaker 4: c suite of you know, our chiefs and major directors

1:07:10 Speaker 4: already in place. And these are all wonderful respected people

1:07:13 Speaker 4: in the field. And I'm I couldn't be more thrilled

1:07:16 Speaker 4: with how everything's the universe just keeps leading things, you know,

1:07:21 Speaker 4: just keep answering the phone. So it's a breath of

1:07:28 Speaker 4: fresh air to just everyone's really kind of on a

1:07:31 Speaker 4: high right now because everything's coming together so well and

1:07:36 Speaker 4: we can really see the vision coming together, So we're excited.

1:07:41 Speaker 1: I absolutely, I think that's I think that's a wonderful

1:07:45 Speaker 1: way to look at it. And again, like you said,

1:07:49 Speaker 1: seven weeks in, look what you've already done. You know

1:07:52 Speaker 1: what is going to be possible in the future. But

1:07:56 Speaker 1: like so really really just a great job with with

1:08:00 Speaker 1: with with the bureau. In what ways do you, uh,

1:08:06 Speaker 1: do you see to take it back to to NDEs

1:08:11 Speaker 1: and UFOs, In what ways do you see connections between

1:08:16 Speaker 1: you know, near death experiences and the paranormal side of

1:08:19 Speaker 1: things and unphone encounters and how might this influence future research?

1:08:28 Speaker 4: Right? Well, I don't know. Are you familiar with Ray Hernandez.

1:08:32 Speaker 4: He's the book about the contact modalities and some of

1:08:37 Speaker 4: the things that they came across were people were reporting

1:08:41 Speaker 4: loved ones who had passed, they were seeing their spirits

1:08:44 Speaker 4: on UFOs and all manner of bizarre things, and you know, combinations.

1:08:51 Speaker 4: I know within our bureau archives we have excuse me,

1:08:56 Speaker 4: the bigfoot standing next to Landa do you, And there

1:09:02 Speaker 4: are so many different combinations.

1:09:03 Speaker 2: I know.

1:09:04 Speaker 4: After my excuse me, let me meet myself for a second,

1:09:10 Speaker 4: right at the tail end of this flu So I

1:09:12 Speaker 4: apologize but understood. And I didn't want to cancel today

1:09:18 Speaker 4: because I was excited about talking with you because I

1:09:21 Speaker 4: know that you're doing great work.

1:09:22 Speaker 1: So thank you, Thank you so much.

1:09:25 Speaker 4: Yeah, and we'll talk more after this. But there has

1:09:31 Speaker 4: been so many combinations. One of the things I wrote

1:09:33 Speaker 4: about in my book after my near death experience was

1:09:36 Speaker 4: a visit from my grandmother who had passed, you know,

1:09:40 Speaker 4: thirty years ago. That was actually, yeah, I talk about.

1:09:46 Speaker 4: She had extended some yellow daisies out towards me and

1:09:49 Speaker 4: she was just smiling and I'm like, I haven't seen

1:09:52 Speaker 4: her since she passed, you know, and we were very close,

1:09:57 Speaker 4: so I was trying to understand. I remember up and

1:10:00 Speaker 4: typing into my phone yellow daisies. Look it up because

1:10:03 Speaker 4: I was like, what is that. I don't know, flowers

1:10:05 Speaker 4: and stuff, and she was like daisies, and I said, oh, okay,

1:10:09 Speaker 4: daisies so yellow daisies. So I looked it up and

1:10:12 Speaker 4: it was like a sign of joy or something like that.

1:10:14 Speaker 4: I was like, well, that's nice. Well, that night I

1:10:16 Speaker 4: went on to the Ions meeting, first time telling my

1:10:20 Speaker 4: story outside of telling it to my husband, and I

1:10:25 Speaker 4: was just ugly, crying and everything. There was this woman

1:10:29 Speaker 4: down in the bottom right corner. I will never forget.

1:10:36 Speaker 4: She pulled off screen and came and, you know, brought

1:10:39 Speaker 4: this vasin screen. She had a vase of yellow daisies

1:10:44 Speaker 4: and she lifted it up and held it towards the

1:10:47 Speaker 4: camera just like this, like my grandmother had done the

1:10:51 Speaker 4: night before whenever I had seen her, and I I

1:10:56 Speaker 4: just lost it. I just boohooed. I had no words

1:11:00 Speaker 4: because then I understood that connection and it opened up

1:11:04 Speaker 4: so many questions to me, like, okay, so she knew

1:11:10 Speaker 4: I was going to be speaking about my time in

1:11:12 Speaker 4: the void? Did my grandmother know I was in the void?

1:11:15 Speaker 4: Was she over there? And I just couldn't see her.

1:11:18 Speaker 4: You know, she knew that she is going to happen

1:11:22 Speaker 4: here in the future. For a woman to then pick

1:11:27 Speaker 4: up yellow daisies and show it to the camera just

1:11:30 Speaker 4: like she had held out the night before it just

1:11:34 Speaker 4: how does that happen? But that is what finally gave

1:11:38 Speaker 4: me the needed courage and strength to come forward and

1:11:43 Speaker 4: tell my story with the NDE and everything. That was

1:11:47 Speaker 4: the catalyst that opened me up to doing all the

1:11:49 Speaker 4: things I'm doing.

1:11:51 Speaker 5: So it just.

1:11:54 Speaker 4: Wow, you have to be open. And I think that,

1:11:57 Speaker 4: and I've said this before, there is a rediculousness factor

1:12:01 Speaker 4: with some of these experiencers and things that you would

1:12:05 Speaker 4: never ever, you know, expect to encounter because it's so ridiculous.

1:12:11 Speaker 4: People go, how right.

1:12:15 Speaker 1: Well, because the challenges if they even you know, entertained it,

1:12:19 Speaker 1: it would smash their reality in the in the they

1:12:23 Speaker 1: will fight to the nail.

1:12:25 Speaker 4: Uh yeah, well, like you know the mantis. You know,

1:12:31 Speaker 4: I remember first time hearing about Manton's and I was like, well,

1:12:35 Speaker 4: that's ridiculous. You know this bug over here now, Yeah,

1:12:39 Speaker 4: there are Mantons. And it's like with my good friend

1:12:43 Speaker 4: Terry link Kill that I've mentioned. She's the chairman of

1:12:47 Speaker 4: the board, she's the executive director within the bureau, and

1:12:52 Speaker 4: she she had an encounter with a reptilian who actually

1:12:56 Speaker 4: hild her and she's you know, collected DNA from it.

1:13:01 Speaker 4: It was analyzed through the MoveOn lab and shown that

1:13:04 Speaker 4: it was like a distant cousin of a tagu lizard

1:13:08 Speaker 4: that's found in South America, and it wasn't a direct

1:13:14 Speaker 4: match to it. It was some kind of mutated form

1:13:17 Speaker 4: of this tagu lizard. So here she is reporting a

1:13:20 Speaker 4: reptilian who healed her. Most people have bad encounters with reptilians.

1:13:26 Speaker 4: Why is this in healing her and then us to

1:13:29 Speaker 4: be able to collect that DNA that confirms that, yes,

1:13:32 Speaker 4: this was a reptilian just like she described it. So

1:13:36 Speaker 4: there there are so many strange things that can come up.

1:13:42 Speaker 4: But I think that we do a great disservice by

1:13:45 Speaker 4: not following up with the experiencers and collecting evidence, because

1:13:50 Speaker 4: that evidence is what is going to be there to

1:13:53 Speaker 4: prove their story. And we may not always get the evidence,

1:13:58 Speaker 4: but a lot of times there are race evidence that's

1:14:01 Speaker 4: left behind that we can't collect, you know, and that

1:14:06 Speaker 4: again just goes to bolster what they're telling us. But

1:14:09 Speaker 4: we have to have an open mind. We have to

1:14:12 Speaker 4: of course be on the lookout for hoaxes and people

1:14:15 Speaker 4: that are that might not be mentally fit, that are

1:14:19 Speaker 4: you know, kind of having mental health crisis and stuff.

1:14:23 Speaker 4: We do come across that stuff. I actually was put

1:14:26 Speaker 4: on Twitter as a lizard person. Of course. It's so

1:14:35 Speaker 4: you know, if if someone was to think that that's

1:14:37 Speaker 4: that's fine, they're entitled. But I was lattered that they

1:14:42 Speaker 4: actually pulled me out of all the researchers of that.

1:14:46 Speaker 4: But you know, we come across all types, and so

1:14:50 Speaker 4: we always just have to be on the lookout that.

1:14:54 Speaker 4: You know, sometimes people are having mental health crisis and

1:14:56 Speaker 4: we need to be prepared to help them with that.

1:14:59 Speaker 4: I've had people stalk me, and I've talked with Dave

1:15:02 Speaker 4: Scott about this the other day. You know, you're in America,

1:15:06 Speaker 4: especially being a woman in this field. Yes, we put

1:15:09 Speaker 4: up with a lot and connecting with experiences I've had

1:15:13 Speaker 4: on you know, proposition me and you know, stalk me.

1:15:17 Speaker 4: I've had to get police involved with things. There is

1:15:20 Speaker 4: so much and that you know, yeah, look to you

1:15:23 Speaker 4: guys to go. That's why I have a really good

1:15:26 Speaker 4: police base here in Oklahoma City. Most of the investigators

1:15:31 Speaker 4: here are with the police force, and I appreciate that

1:15:35 Speaker 4: because they kind of keep an eye out for me.

1:15:39 Speaker 4: But you know, anytime we put ourselves out there, and

1:15:42 Speaker 4: especially when we're working with people that are in a

1:15:43 Speaker 4: vulnerable state and that can kind of come into play.

1:15:47 Speaker 4: So that's you know, we have to keep an eye

1:15:49 Speaker 4: out for those kind of things. We do have to

1:15:51 Speaker 4: protect ourselves, but we also have to have an open

1:15:54 Speaker 4: heart and listen to people because they're telling the truth

1:15:58 Speaker 4: and they're they're trying to understand what's going on with them.

1:16:02 Speaker 4: It goes a long way just to say I believe you. Yeah,

1:16:06 Speaker 4: that's something that a lot of them haven't heard. And

1:16:09 Speaker 4: it's time that that changes.

1:16:11 Speaker 1: Absolutely. I know, you have you get about two minutes

1:16:15 Speaker 1: before you're going to be meeting with well, you're going

1:16:18 Speaker 1: to be meeting with someone, so yeah, what you know,

1:16:23 Speaker 1: how is your involvement in this field? And we'll we'll

1:16:26 Speaker 1: end it here with well, let's I would love to

1:16:28 Speaker 1: do a part two kind of you know, absolutely station,

1:16:32 Speaker 1: but how is your involvement in the field change your

1:16:34 Speaker 1: personal beliefs and perspectives on the universe?

1:16:39 Speaker 4: Wow? That well, okay, I have always thought I had

1:16:44 Speaker 4: an open mind. I think that with the NDE that

1:16:47 Speaker 4: really blew that out of the water. I mean it

1:16:49 Speaker 4: really removed any kind of judgment from me, and so

1:16:55 Speaker 4: that I think it had to happen in order for

1:16:58 Speaker 4: me to be effective, and I'm doing today and just

1:17:02 Speaker 4: coming across so many wonderful people and from so many

1:17:06 Speaker 4: different walks of life, and it's so endearing to hear

1:17:12 Speaker 4: their perceptions of what they've been through and the way

1:17:16 Speaker 4: that they relate to their encounters. You have to keep

1:17:23 Speaker 4: that open mind with how you know their religion may

1:17:28 Speaker 4: play into it, or their upbringing or their community. I mean,

1:17:35 Speaker 4: there are so many factors about what make us us,

1:17:38 Speaker 4: and it plays into our perception of our encounters. And

1:17:44 Speaker 4: I can say that from my near death experience. When

1:17:46 Speaker 4: I was over there, my perception and my beliefs played

1:17:50 Speaker 4: into how I, how I you perceived what happened to

1:17:55 Speaker 4: me until I took a step back and said, okay,

1:17:58 Speaker 4: let me drop that and let me just look at

1:18:01 Speaker 4: what it really told me without those different beliefs, you know,

1:18:06 Speaker 4: coming in. It has opened my mind so much and

1:18:12 Speaker 4: the compassion has just flown from me because of that.

1:18:17 Speaker 4: Whenever you can understand people on that level and try

1:18:23 Speaker 4: to walk them through a traumatic experience or you know

1:18:27 Speaker 4: some of them it's not traumatic, it's wonderful, and you

1:18:30 Speaker 4: can celebrate with them that you know they've had this

1:18:34 Speaker 4: enormous encounter and they feel a bigger part of things

1:18:38 Speaker 4: because of it. I think it is in a three.

1:18:44 Speaker 4: One of the things that he had came out of

1:18:46 Speaker 4: the the Omega project was the Omega personality or the

1:18:53 Speaker 4: Omega prototype. He believed that it was moving into a

1:18:56 Speaker 4: new day where we're all getting these little bits of information.

1:19:01 Speaker 4: Different people within different communities are rising up. We understand

1:19:05 Speaker 4: the bigger picture, and once we can let down all

1:19:09 Speaker 4: of our divisions and come together and share, it will

1:19:13 Speaker 4: move humanity forward. And I think it echoes kind of

1:19:16 Speaker 4: what you were saying earlier, but that was really the

1:19:19 Speaker 4: gist of what can ring came across, you know, came

1:19:23 Speaker 4: out with from the Omega project, and that's very much

1:19:26 Speaker 4: the way that I'm moving. I've never been a Kumbayah

1:19:29 Speaker 4: person head and the clouds, but it very much can

1:19:34 Speaker 4: move that direction if that's what we choose to do.

1:19:37 Speaker 4: I mean, we're so powerful in our voices and our actions,

1:19:42 Speaker 4: and if we can just show compassion to each other,

1:19:44 Speaker 4: understand each other a little bit more, then we can

1:19:47 Speaker 4: move on and understand the phenomena that we're looking into

1:19:50 Speaker 4: a little bit more.

1:19:52 Speaker 1: So.

1:19:52 Speaker 4: It's just It's opened me up to so much and

1:19:56 Speaker 4: I've met so many wonderful people because of it. I

1:19:59 Speaker 4: love what I do.

1:20:01 Speaker 1: Yeah, and the sky is the limit and I don't

1:20:03 Speaker 1: even think that that does it justice. So where can people?

1:20:09 Speaker 1: So I really can't wait to have you back on,

1:20:12 Speaker 1: But I can't wait for the release of the the

1:20:15 Speaker 1: Bureau and and seeing how it develops and how it

1:20:19 Speaker 1: integrates and kind of, uh, where it takes its place

1:20:24 Speaker 1: among civilian research groups. Where can people, you know, get

1:20:29 Speaker 1: get a look and how can they continue with following

1:20:33 Speaker 1: what you're doing all that kind of stuff.

1:20:37 Speaker 4: They can go to INTERNATIONALUFO Bureau dot com and they

1:20:42 Speaker 4: can sign up there for you know, to be on

1:20:44 Speaker 4: our mailing list and we'll be sending stuff out soon.

1:20:48 Speaker 4: Every day I'm getting up and working on new stuff.

1:20:50 Speaker 4: So we've got a Facebook page. They can look us

1:20:53 Speaker 4: up there International UFO Bureau. Uh. We got Instagram and

1:20:57 Speaker 4: I just started the TikTok and I plan on starting

1:21:00 Speaker 4: to post videos this week, so that'll be a good

1:21:02 Speaker 4: way to keep in touch too. So isn't it banned though?

1:21:07 Speaker 1: Is it what TikTok? I thought TikTok was banned.

1:21:11 Speaker 4: No, it was banned for a few hours, it came back.

1:21:16 Speaker 1: Oh I can't. I still can't get it on my phone.

1:21:19 Speaker 4: Really.

1:21:20 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it says when you go to the app

1:21:22 Speaker 1: store on the iPhone and look up TikTok, it says

1:21:27 Speaker 1: that I'll sell you right now. Yeah, TikTok and other

1:21:32 Speaker 1: bite Dance apps are not available in your country or region,

1:21:38 Speaker 1: so it doesn't come up. Yeah, but if you, if you,

1:21:42 Speaker 1: if you're on the computer, you can go to Yeah,

1:21:45 Speaker 1: you can go to over to Android apparently I do.

1:21:50 Speaker 1: I have no idea, but so when you were mentioned

1:21:53 Speaker 1: in TikTok earlier, I'm like, I wonder if she knows.

1:21:56 Speaker 4: Yeah, let's good. You've been over there chilling on Red Note, haven't.

1:21:59 Speaker 1: You kind of just keeping it?

1:22:05 Speaker 4: And I go back and forth between the Red Note

1:22:07 Speaker 4: and TikTok, but I just yeah, I've I've fallen in

1:22:12 Speaker 4: love with Red Note and the people on there as well.

1:22:14 Speaker 4: So if you haven't been on.

1:22:17 Speaker 1: There, Yeah, all these platforms that allow cultures to come

1:22:20 Speaker 1: together in a way that isn't pitted in factionalism itself

1:22:26 Speaker 1: is a unique and really wonderful, wonderful thing, and it

1:22:32 Speaker 1: is some of the good that has come out of

1:22:34 Speaker 1: you know, the Internet and being able to connect, you

1:22:37 Speaker 1: know with someone who literally lives on the opposite side

1:22:40 Speaker 1: of the world, so and to experience their culture up

1:22:44 Speaker 1: close in you know, in your hand. So I think

1:22:48 Speaker 1: there's much to be left, there's much to be had

1:22:52 Speaker 1: in that, in that that environment. So it's really cool

1:22:57 Speaker 1: to see that. You know, you're you're looking to these

1:23:00 Speaker 1: things and and going to integrate them into your strategic

1:23:05 Speaker 1: assessment and and employment of the Bureau. So Mindy, thank

1:23:09 Speaker 1: you so much for joining us today. I really, I

1:23:12 Speaker 1: really had a great time. I look forward to future

1:23:16 Speaker 1: conversations and partnerships and you can't wait to see what

1:23:20 Speaker 1: the Bureau does.

1:23:22 Speaker 4: Absolutely, thank you, tod.

1:23:23 Speaker 1: Alrighty, and we'll see you soon, okay, And like I said,

1:23:27 Speaker 1: I'll absolutely be.

1:23:29 Speaker 5: Be reaching out and uh okay, sounds good.

1:23:33 Speaker 1: Staying in touch.

1:23:35 Speaker 4: All right.

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1:23:48 Speaker 5: You never know what might fly by.

1:24:11 Speaker 2: An I didn't, don't

1:24:34 Speaker 4: It st