NASA Flight Surgeon Reveals Secret UFO with Air Force Insignia | Dr. Gregory Rogers Speaks Out
Dr. Rogers recounts being shown a mysterious craft bearing a U.S. Air Force emblem, an experience that challenges official narratives and raises questions about hidden aerospace technologies. With a distinguished career at NASA and the Air Force’s 45th Space Wing at Cape Canaveral , his testimony offers a rare insider’s perspective on the intersection of military operations and unidentified aerial phenomena.
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Speaker 1: And so uh when they're using experimental aircraft.
Speaker 2: When it started to move and do things as.
Speaker 1: It did, it did this and used it a little more,
Speaker 1: and then it rotated and the other way.
Speaker 2: But when I saw what was on the front, I
Speaker 2: was really shocked because it's a US Air Force, no way,
Speaker 2: the US flight.
Speaker 1: It was just above episode said that thing of Oh
Speaker 1: my goodness.
Speaker 3: No, you go on record at least say that. Welcome
Speaker 3: back to Total Disclosure. I am your host, TI, and
Speaker 3: tonight we have something extraordinary. What happens when a man
Speaker 3: entrusted with the lives of our nation's astronauts, The very
Speaker 3: chief flight surgeon for NASA desides, it's time to speak
Speaker 3: the truth. Doctor Gregory Rogers isn't just another name on
Speaker 3: a list. He's not just another military veteran. He was
Speaker 3: a guardian of human performance in the harshest environments imaginable space,
Speaker 3: from West Germany in the Cold War to Cape Canaveral
Speaker 3: at the dawn of a new era. Doctor Rogers has
Speaker 3: been at the epicenter of American aerospace medicine, but behind
Speaker 3: the Paulish dresme lies a secret for decades, he's remained silent.
Speaker 3: Found by duty by clearance fear until now. In this
Speaker 3: exclusive total disclosure episode that is brought to you in
Speaker 3: part and mainly by the International UFO Bureau, Doctor Rogers
Speaker 3: breaks ranks and steps out of the shadows to share
Speaker 3: what he's never shared publicly before, his direct experience seeing
Speaker 3: a flying saucer. Not speculation, not a story, but a
Speaker 3: first hand account from a man who's walked the corridors
Speaker 3: of NASA and looked after those who left Earth. This
Speaker 3: isn't again, just another whistleblower. This is the chief flight surgeon.
Speaker 4: And what he's about to tell us may change the
Speaker 4: way we look at reality.
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Speaker 6: Whole truth and helping the truth.
Speaker 3: So help you guy?
Speaker 2: Do you believe that our government is in possession of you? Against?
Speaker 6: Absolutely?
Speaker 2: All?
Speaker 3: Right? So we're back with doctor Gregory Rogers, uh, NASA
Speaker 3: chief flight surgeon for many years, author of an amazing
Speaker 3: booked Impact. That's a lot of information, uh, and from
Speaker 3: someone who's highly credible, uh, such as yourself, you know,
Speaker 3: due to you know, the jobs you've had, the clearances
Speaker 3: of you you've held. I really want to make sure
Speaker 3: that we were able to cover everything here. So before
Speaker 3: we dive into what you've you've witnessed, can you walk
Speaker 3: us through what your role as NASA's chief flight surgeon
Speaker 3: and what kind of responsibilities and clearances came with that.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, I was actually the chief of aerospace Medicine
Speaker 1: for the forty fifth Space Wing. Now the forty fifth
Speaker 1: Space Wing owned Cape Canaveral Air Force Station. But NASA
Speaker 1: actually is the owner of Kennedy Space Center. But we
Speaker 1: worked hand in hand for the space program. The only
Speaker 1: thing that separated us was the Banana River. If you
Speaker 1: cross the bridge, you're on Kennedy Space Center. If you
Speaker 1: cross the bridge, the other way. You're on Cape Canaveral.
Speaker 1: So I was responsible for at the time of launch,
Speaker 1: being the senior flight surgeon for the astronaut reskin Recovery team.
Speaker 1: We had these helicopters HH three Jolly Green Giants, and
Speaker 1: so I was usually on Jolly one. We had another
Speaker 1: flight surgeon on Jolly two, and then another flight surgeon
Speaker 1: on Jolly three. If anything happened on the pad or
Speaker 1: after launch or during the landing and the ash were injured,
Speaker 1: we would swoop in, pick them up, provide medical care,
Speaker 1: and then get into an appropriate hospital. So for the
Speaker 1: astronauts that that was what we did.
Speaker 3: Okay, So you've served in both Army and Air Force.
Speaker 3: You were stationed at Cape Canaveral h during that time.
Speaker 3: Did you ever encounter protocols or situations that, you know,
Speaker 3: looking back, maybe seemed unusual given the information you know
Speaker 3: that you have now.
Speaker 1: The security protocols at Cape Canaveral Air Force Station at
Speaker 1: the time now it's Cape Canaveral Space Force Base, but
Speaker 1: they were extremely tight.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: One of the funny things that would happen is sometimes
Speaker 1: we'd have visitors who thought they were important and so
Speaker 1: like a three star general drives up to the front
Speaker 1: gate and at Cape Canaveral and says, hey, I want
Speaker 1: to see what's going on inside. I'm a three star general.
Speaker 1: And the guards are saying, well, you may be a
Speaker 1: three star general, but you do not have authorization to
Speaker 1: enter this facility, sir, You're going to have to turn
Speaker 1: around and leave. So the security measures for what we
Speaker 1: were doing on Cape Canaveral were very tight.
Speaker 3: Wow, okay, And you know, I know that you don't
Speaker 3: like to you don't like this necessarily speculate, but you know,
Speaker 3: in the UFO world, in the UFO community, there's been
Speaker 3: there's been a lot of talk about NASA and potential
Speaker 3: like esoteric rituals that were performed. I mean, if you
Speaker 3: even look at the names of the launches, you know,
Speaker 3: whether it's Artemis or Apollo or Colombi. You know, you
Speaker 3: go through all these things and there there seems to
Speaker 3: be something more to it. Did you ever did you
Speaker 3: ever wonder about any of that?
Speaker 1: Well, yes and no. You know, one thing people didn't
Speaker 1: really know about the Space Shuttle orbiters. They were not
Speaker 1: named for space objects or anything else. They were actually
Speaker 1: named after famous ships that were in the America's cup,
Speaker 1: so so Challenger, Atlantis, Columbia were originally ships or or
Speaker 1: speedboats that were in the competition, and so they actually
Speaker 1: chose those names from that. For the spacecraft, they did
Speaker 1: go largely to Greek mythology, and so Gemini there's two
Speaker 1: of them. Well that's kind of easy. But why they
Speaker 1: specifically chose mythological names as something that I heard speculated
Speaker 1: about but absolutely no official information.
Speaker 3: What was the speculation among NASA employees.
Speaker 1: Well, the names came from the people at the top.
Speaker 1: So if the people at the top had any sort
Speaker 1: of link to outer space visitors UFOs anything like that,
Speaker 1: perhaps that may be why they went back to Greek mythology.
Speaker 1: But generally speaking, I think they just wanted to use
Speaker 1: names that uh sounded like you know when when when
Speaker 1: we went to the Moon, we we even had one
Speaker 1: of the spacecraft that was named Snoopy after the cartoon series,
Speaker 1: right right, Yeah.
Speaker 3: So that that's that's also a very very good point,
Speaker 3: you know, And I just I I've always wondered because
Speaker 3: we look at people like you know, Jack Parsons and
Speaker 3: his connection to the esoteric and you know, mainly being
Speaker 3: you know, uh, the father of rocketry. And then you
Speaker 3: know Berner von Braun, who famously was brought here from Germany,
Speaker 3: you know, Nazi Germany after the win of the war,
Speaker 3: to to develop the NASA space program. And you know,
Speaker 3: you just you start to wonder if there's something other
Speaker 3: or something more to it than just names of spacecraft
Speaker 3: or where they actually you know, some sort of ritualistic, uh,
Speaker 3: way of ensuring that the program was successful, and.
Speaker 1: I know it's it's the early race for the space
Speaker 1: program was whether the Germans we had captured could beat
Speaker 1: the Germans that the Russians had captured. So they had
Speaker 1: different reasons for choosing names, and some of them were
Speaker 1: rather curious. For instance, we could have beaten the Soviets
Speaker 1: into space with Sputnik, but we had one of the
Speaker 1: Redstone rockets that Werner von Braun, who was working on
Speaker 1: that it had actually I believe, exceeded sixteen thousand miles
Speaker 1: an hour. Well, seventeen thousand miles an hour is orbital speed.
Speaker 1: So if you get to seventeen thousand miles an hour,
Speaker 1: you drop off of satellite. It stays in orbit. Right
Speaker 1: from what I heard, President Eisenhower did not like the
Speaker 1: idea of the Germans being the ones that put America
Speaker 1: in space, so he wanted the American project in Vanguard,
Speaker 1: which is owned by the Navy, to be the first
Speaker 1: ones to orbit a satellite. That they kept having setbacks.
Speaker 1: So when the Soviets launched Sputnick, he told the Vanguard
Speaker 1: people get out there and launch. Well, it blew up
Speaker 1: on the pad, so that was no good. So they
Speaker 1: went back to Werner von Braun and said, look, paint
Speaker 1: your rocket some other color. We're going to name it
Speaker 1: the Juno one because we don't want people to know
Speaker 1: that it could have launched last year. So they changed
Speaker 1: the name of the rocket to the Juno one and
Speaker 1: we launched the Explore one satellite. Now, then the Sputnik
Speaker 1: did nothing but send radio signals to say it was there.
Speaker 1: Explore one actually had scientific information and we discovered information
Speaker 1: of the Van Allen Belts of ionizing radiation circling the Earth.
Speaker 1: But we could have done it earlier, you know, Okay,
Speaker 1: paint the rocket something else, change the name of it.
Speaker 1: Now we'll go to space. So that's when we finally
Speaker 1: got to Explore one into space. Those are the kind
Speaker 1: of back room deals largely due to politics causes great
Speaker 1: problems for the space program. You know, I think you
Speaker 1: mentioned my book Impact. One of the reasons I wrote
Speaker 1: it was because the NASA managers, due to costs and
Speaker 1: launch weights, refused to send repair kits with the Ash astronauts.
Speaker 1: And so in nineteen eighty nine, nineteen ninety, ninety one,
Speaker 1: ninety two, I found this extremely disturbing. Lots of other
Speaker 1: people did too. It wasn't just me, but I decided
Speaker 1: to write a Space Shuttle novel explaining through the story
Speaker 1: we've got a huge problem. So in my story, we
Speaker 1: launch an orbiter, it becomes damaged and has a puncture
Speaker 1: through the thermal protection tiles, and so because there's no
Speaker 1: repair kit, the only way these people have a chance
Speaker 1: to come home is for us to launch an unmanned
Speaker 1: rocket that they could rendezvous with, get the repair kit,
Speaker 1: seal the hole, and then use reinforced carbon carbon to
Speaker 1: cover the external portion of it, and then come back
Speaker 1: and land. Well. Eight years later, the reinforced carbon carbon
Speaker 1: was damaged at eighty one seconds into the launch. The
Speaker 1: Columbia crew had no repair kit. Because they had no
Speaker 1: repair kit, NASA didn't do anything because even if they
Speaker 1: found a hole, what were they going to do. They
Speaker 1: had no repair kit, so they just sort of hoped
Speaker 1: that just like many other times before, we had terrible
Speaker 1: problems and they said, we'll probably make it fine, and
Speaker 1: in previous ones we did, but aren't so fortunate with
Speaker 1: that now. I think if you go back to Hoote Gibson,
Speaker 1: he has gone on the record about one of his
Speaker 1: early DoD missions and he and his crew thought they
Speaker 1: were they were going to die. And when they landed
Speaker 1: and they saw how badly the orbiter had been damaged,
Speaker 1: they said, oh, my goodness, we got to do something.
Speaker 1: But the thing is, movement of changes within the space
Speaker 1: program are extremely difficult because of all the bureaucracy. So
Speaker 1: even though I wrote my book in nineteen ninety five,
Speaker 1: I had books signing with buzz Aldron, I had a
Speaker 1: book signing with Jim Lovell Junior, the commander of Apollo thirteen.
Speaker 1: People knew about my story, but they did not do
Speaker 1: anything about it. And so eight years later we lost
Speaker 1: the Columbia because of damage to the thermal protection tile
Speaker 1: with the reinforced carbon carbon on the leading edge of
Speaker 1: the left wing, not too distant from where I had
Speaker 1: damaged my orbiter in my story. Had they actually had
Speaker 1: a repair kit and just covered that hole, the crew
Speaker 1: returns the orbiter's damage, but you can fix that and
Speaker 1: it would just be another near miss. But with no
Speaker 1: repair kit, it wasn't a near miss. It was a
Speaker 1: catastrophic failure.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So do you think now, in your in your educated
Speaker 3: and experienced opinion, why were they so ignorantly Why was
Speaker 3: NASA so so non attentive? Two set issue? If tons
Speaker 3: of employees were raising warning flags or was it a
Speaker 3: case of nobody wanted to raise the warning flag because
Speaker 3: they didn't want to lose their job.
Speaker 1: Well, there there were. There were other people besides me
Speaker 1: who raise the warning flag. But the problem is the
Speaker 1: lower level people working on the orbiter were totally out
Speaker 1: of touch with the NASA managers at the top. And
Speaker 1: at the top they're worried about the finances. If you
Speaker 1: put weight onto a Space Shuttle orbiter at the time
Speaker 1: of launch, you have to take something else off. They
Speaker 1: weren't interested in doing this, so they said, you know,
Speaker 1: we're taking a calculated risk, but we think it'll be okay.
Speaker 1: Well it was okay until it wasn't. And when it wasn't,
Speaker 1: they killed the screw and you think that this could
Speaker 1: have had that crew been able to repair this hole.
Speaker 1: You know, it's maybe like eighteen inches. You repair an
Speaker 1: eighteen inch hole and the crew doesn't die, and the
Speaker 1: orbiter survives, and then you exit on the ground.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: I can tell you how frustrated I was when that happened.
Speaker 3: Well, I can't even imagine. And and of course you
Speaker 3: know this is where things kind of start. And you know,
Speaker 3: I just want to say, because you did bring up
Speaker 3: D O D space flights and I just wanted to
Speaker 3: get this off my chest while while we're on the topic.
Speaker 3: Because now, obviously there was the public facing space program.
Speaker 3: Do you, as a NASA, as a NASA employee in general,
Speaker 3: as a d D you know, as a as a
Speaker 3: career man, is there something to the idea that there
Speaker 3: could be a more secretive space program that is funded
Speaker 3: through black money.
Speaker 1: Well, in a certain extent, we already know that it happened.
Speaker 1: The X fifteen was a vehicle that could actually reach
Speaker 1: into physiologic space. There were members of the X fifteen
Speaker 1: crews who got their astronaut wings based on what they
Speaker 1: did with X fifteen and not as part of NASA.
Speaker 1: If you go to Kennedy Space Center. There's a wall
Speaker 1: where it shows the name of astronauts who have died.
Speaker 1: When you look at those names, you're going to see
Speaker 1: some that were never directly associated with NASA, but they
Speaker 1: were flying other experimental aircraft that had the power to
Speaker 1: reach space, even if it wasn't orbital. But that is
Speaker 1: an example. It is very easy to say, well, you know,
Speaker 1: once they started it, they also did it here or there.
Speaker 1: You know, they have an experimental aircraft or spacecraft that
Speaker 1: now sort of looks like a space shuttle. It's unmanned,
Speaker 1: but they send it up and it can stay up
Speaker 1: in space over a year. Well, no one knows what
Speaker 1: it's doing, but you know it's doing something important. So
Speaker 1: I'm not going to dismiss that as something inconsequential because
Speaker 1: there's no telling all of the implications there. We had
Speaker 1: missions where before launch we knew what was going on,
Speaker 1: but they were not going to tell the public. You know,
Speaker 1: I mentioned the Air Force Technical app Location Center. One
Speaker 1: time I deployed on what was called a constant globe mission,
Speaker 1: and so we went to the South America and we
Speaker 1: did things to check the weather. Officially, it was a
Speaker 1: w C one thirty five. So it was a weather plane,
Speaker 1: so we checked the weather in South America. But it
Speaker 1: was related to the context of what AFTACK does and
Speaker 1: so anyone who's interested can look up what AFTAC does
Speaker 1: and then you can probably sort of figure out what
Speaker 1: we were doing there.
Speaker 3: H this is and you know, I don't mean to
Speaker 3: go off on a side journey there, but the secret
Speaker 3: there's been a lot of controversy with with you know,
Speaker 3: atential secret space program because we know that there are
Speaker 3: there are Charlatans out there, and there are hoaxers out there,
Speaker 3: grifters who have perpetrated you know, a whole mythous behind
Speaker 3: the secrets pace program and even gone as far to
Speaker 3: say that NASA is you know, a huge front. So
Speaker 3: I just wanted to kind of get your your take
Speaker 3: on that before we dove into your event. Thank you,
Speaker 3: So I appreciate that. And so so to get into
Speaker 3: the event, what everyone wants to talk about. So I
Speaker 3: want to first, I want to start off. I do
Speaker 3: this with most witnesses to anything. I'd like you to
Speaker 3: bring me back. I know you spoke about it in
Speaker 3: your statement, but I want to be there. I want
Speaker 3: to be there. I want to be standing next to you.
Speaker 3: Can you describe that day in as much detail as
Speaker 3: you remember? So where where were you? How were you
Speaker 3: A approached?
Speaker 1: I was actually leaving the building. At the end of
Speaker 1: the hallway was the external door that went to my car,
Speaker 1: So I believed that I was walking down the hallway
Speaker 1: to go get in my car and drive back to
Speaker 1: Patrick Air Force Base. This guy stops me, and you know,
Speaker 1: at the time, my first inclination was I don't want
Speaker 1: to bother with whatever the guy's doing. But he was
Speaker 1: kind of insistent and said, it'll just take a few minutes.
Speaker 1: I've got to show you this thing. So I foolishly
Speaker 1: went inside with him and he locked the door, closed
Speaker 1: the loovers. As soon as he did that, I said,
Speaker 1: why are you doing that? He said, well, we need
Speaker 1: to do this, and my alarm bells were going off
Speaker 1: because I knew of no reason that I should be
Speaker 1: in that office locking the door and closing the loovers.
Speaker 1: So he sits down at the computer and he said,
Speaker 1: this will just take a few minutes, and he's doing
Speaker 1: stuff on the computer and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: I can see that a video is loading, and so
Speaker 1: he moved to the seat to the left, and I
Speaker 1: sat down where he was, and just about the time
Speaker 1: I sat down, lo and behold, here on the computer
Speaker 1: screen is the image of a stinking flying saucer. And yeah,
Speaker 1: it was like, what on earth are you doing? Why
Speaker 1: would you show this to me? Even if we have it,
Speaker 1: I don't have a need to know. You know, you
Speaker 1: shouldn't be showing this to me. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: I'm looking at a flying saucer, so you know, I'm
Speaker 1: so I'm sitting there thinking, man, what on earth have
Speaker 1: I gotten into? And so then he said, just just
Speaker 1: wait and you'll see what it actually does. And again
Speaker 1: I want to emphasize there was nothing on the screen
Speaker 1: that said any degree of classification, where it was located,
Speaker 1: what the time or date was. So it was just
Speaker 1: this clean screen that just happened to have a flying
Speaker 1: saucer on it. So I'm sitting there watching it, and
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden it starts doing all of
Speaker 1: the things that I described, and so, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: very surprised to see this. And then all of a
Speaker 1: sudden there's a knock on the door and this guy
Speaker 1: goes ballistic. Yeah, and so as soon as he shuts
Speaker 1: everything off and tells me not to say anything. I realize, Man,
Speaker 1: this guy had no business on earth showing that video
Speaker 1: to me. But the thing is, you can't unsee that. No,
Speaker 1: it's a flying saucer. I saw it. It was moving,
Speaker 1: it was doing stuff. But my goodness, in nineteen ninety
Speaker 1: two airline pilots F sixteen pilots, they're not going to
Speaker 1: report UFOs. So as I'm thinking about this, I thought, man,
Speaker 1: there is no way I want to touch this with
Speaker 1: a ten foot pole. Well there's something I just decided
Speaker 1: I'm getting out of here.
Speaker 3: Well there's one. There's one. I want to go into
Speaker 3: the characteristics of what you're seeing on the video, because
Speaker 3: you mentioned one detail that I don't think I have
Speaker 3: ever heard. Now, I've heard a lot of UFO stories.
Speaker 3: I've heard a lot of encounter stories, and you know,
Speaker 3: someone will always bring up the point, you know, it
Speaker 3: didn't have an American flag on it. Uh, it didn't
Speaker 3: have a Russian flag on it. It didn't have a
Speaker 3: Chinese flag on it. You know, So they're they're they're
Speaker 3: very unclear on what you know, Uh, whether it's it's
Speaker 3: from up there or whether it's you know, our own technology.
Speaker 3: What you saw did have the US Air Force emblem
Speaker 3: on it, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that that was as shocking as seen the
Speaker 1: vehicle itself. Now, then it is my firm belief, you know,
Speaker 1: when when we're testing vehicles and things, we will put
Speaker 1: like rectangles in mar so that as the aircraft is moving,
Speaker 1: we can make sure that the cameras that are tracking
Speaker 1: it are seeing what's going on. So the black triangles
Speaker 1: on this completely white ship seemed totally Yeah, that seemed
Speaker 1: totally consistent to me with the testbed program somebody, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know if it had flown before or this
Speaker 1: was the first time they were testing it, but this
Speaker 1: this was a prototype vehicle. Now, then, one of the
Speaker 1: things about that is sometimes defense contractors will be given
Speaker 1: money and projects to do, and they will operate these
Speaker 1: things outside of the official US Air Forces they're developing it.
Speaker 1: You know, you go back, I think it was Northrope
Speaker 1: that was developing the F twenty. They were not authorized
Speaker 1: to spend the money to develop the F twenty, but
Speaker 1: they got Chuck Yeager to promote it and they did
Speaker 1: all of this stuff. Now, then that was done within
Speaker 1: the confines of that defense contractor. Now, then if there
Speaker 1: was a defense contractor or several defense contractors. You know,
Speaker 1: in the nineties they went from NASA operating the Space
Speaker 1: Shuttle to the United Space Alliance, and so they said, well,
Speaker 1: we're just going to smash these contractors together and we'll
Speaker 1: let all of them do this. So the United Space
Speaker 1: Alliance was formed. If there was some sort of a
Speaker 1: contractor of this sort, it might not have even been
Speaker 1: an Air Force vehicle, but it could have been in
Speaker 1: the process of being designed and tested so that it
Speaker 1: would eventually be put into the Air Force inventory. So
Speaker 1: I cannot say that even though it said US Air Force,
Speaker 1: that it was actually a US Air Force inventory vehicle.
Speaker 3: Right, And again I do want to go into some
Speaker 3: of the characteristics because you said that it pitches, it
Speaker 3: almost turns, and doesn't it's able to essentially control its
Speaker 3: angle of attack without or maintaining its angle of attack.
Speaker 3: This sounds very similar to you know, when you watched
Speaker 3: the gimbal video that came out with the twenty seventeen
Speaker 3: article that was filmed in I believe it was twenty seventeen.
Speaker 3: It was filmed twenty fourteen when it was filmed, and
Speaker 3: it rotates and they say it in the video it's rotating.
Speaker 3: It's rotating. Now was this craft and that video could
Speaker 3: you draw any conclusions to how it was moving?
Speaker 1: What the gimbal video vehicle was caught on film doing
Speaker 1: was the very same kind of thing that I saw
Speaker 1: that got me so interested with the forty five degree
Speaker 1: angle of attack. For instance, if a helicopter is flying,
Speaker 1: there's a rotor disc. Now, then the rotor disc points
Speaker 1: straight down at a ninety degree angle. If your level,
Speaker 1: it stays where it's at. But if you change the
Speaker 1: angle of attack for the rotor disc, the force vector
Speaker 1: is going to alter, and so you're going to have
Speaker 1: a downward force vector, but you're also going to have
Speaker 1: a forward force vector. So as soon as you change
Speaker 1: the angle of attack of the rotor disc that that
Speaker 1: helicopters moving, it's going to follow the force vector that
Speaker 1: the rotor disc creates. In a fixed wing, you can
Speaker 1: have thrust vectoring so that you do different things, but
Speaker 1: the thrust vector of an aircraft is going to decide
Speaker 1: what it does. And so for traditional aircraft, if you
Speaker 1: go to a forty five degree angle, the thrust is
Speaker 1: generally coming out of the act of the vehicle. From
Speaker 1: the engines. So the thrust vector is going to be straightforward,
Speaker 1: so it's going to move directly opposite the thrust vector.
Speaker 1: This thing did not appear to have a thrust vector,
Speaker 1: and as it was moving, the reason it was staying
Speaker 1: in place was because it was not demonstrating a thrust
Speaker 1: vector that would cause it to move. So something else
Speaker 1: was going on.
Speaker 3: So this was not using any any propulsion technology that
Speaker 3: you were aware of in our inventory that's visible.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to answer that question. I mentioned some
Speaker 1: electromagnetic dischargers, but also one of the things was that
Speaker 1: there was sort of a mass coming up and you
Speaker 1: had these umbilicals. I don't know what's in the umbilicals.
Speaker 1: It could have been control elements, you know, electronics. It
Speaker 1: could also been, you know, a massive electrical surge so
Speaker 1: that the power plant that was on the vehicle may
Speaker 1: not have been satisfactory to perform all that it was doing.
Speaker 1: So they were feeding additional electricity so that the vehicle
Speaker 1: could do things. But are you I would be totally guessing,
Speaker 1: and because of the nature of what those guesses would be,
Speaker 1: I'm just I do not want to make those guests.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, it's it's kind of funny. And I
Speaker 3: totally respect that.
Speaker 1: I really do.
Speaker 3: I anytime anything like that occurs, and you do because
Speaker 3: I don't think I said that in the beginning. You know,
Speaker 3: feel free to decline to comment. But you know, I'm
Speaker 3: sure you know a guy named T. Townsend Brown, you know,
Speaker 3: in the in the fifties, all the magazines, all the
Speaker 3: scientists or propulsion experts, and you know, at the time,
Speaker 3: they didn't they weren't the aerospace. It wasn't the aerospace industry.
Speaker 3: There were aircraft companies and all the aircraft companies. We're
Speaker 3: talking about how the g engines were coming and then
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, the it just goes you know,
Speaker 3: it just goes dark. It just it disappears. So, you
Speaker 3: know a lot of people have suspected that we did
Speaker 3: crack anti gravity at least you know, by nineteen fifty five,
Speaker 3: and that it probably went underground, it went to the
Speaker 3: black programs. And you know a lot of people have
Speaker 3: talked about the B two and how that can be
Speaker 3: a reference to the Buyfield Brown, you know, Buyfield Brown effect,
Speaker 3: and you know, charging each side of the stealth fighter, uh,
Speaker 3: you know, positive or negative to increase its abilities, And
Speaker 3: you know, I think that's you know, what you're discussing.
Speaker 3: I don't want to put words in your mouth. Of
Speaker 3: course you you did not say that, but I mean
Speaker 3: it kind of sounds like it adds up with what
Speaker 3: the the lore has told us, or at least the
Speaker 3: it's fitting your story fits into the larger puzzle. And
Speaker 3: that's what interests me. It really does.
Speaker 1: My response for something disappearing like that is one of
Speaker 1: two things. Either it proved to not work or it
Speaker 1: proved to work very effectively. Now then if it proves
Speaker 1: not to work, everybody's going to dump it and they're
Speaker 1: going to try something else. If it actually works, then
Speaker 1: the capabilities of what works you're going to start expanding.
Speaker 1: You're going to use them on all kinds of things.
Speaker 1: Once we got microchips, the Aird air missiles that the
Speaker 1: United States developed were far superior to what had been
Speaker 1: available before. And every time we developed new technology, we're
Speaker 1: going to use it. Back in the fifties, we were
Speaker 1: in the Cold War. If we if we had something
Speaker 1: that was so extraordinary that it could change the balance
Speaker 1: of power, I don't believe we would have ignored it.
Speaker 1: We would have used that somewhere. You know. It's like
Speaker 1: sometimes people ask me, do you believe there's a conspiracy
Speaker 1: with pharmaceutical companies to not let people know that we've
Speaker 1: actually cured cancer. Well, my response to that is, you
Speaker 1: got to be kidding me. Every doctor who does research
Speaker 1: is wants to be famous. Every time a doctor do
Speaker 1: you know, doctor Alsheimer just discovered what was going on
Speaker 1: with a neighbor of his, So what do you do?
Speaker 1: You name it after yourself? These people, you know, if
Speaker 1: they have a chance to name something after themselves, they
Speaker 1: have a chance to get a Nobel Prize. You think
Speaker 1: they're going to keep that quiet because somebody's afraid of many. No,
Speaker 1: if we have anything like that, whenever it is brought forward,
Speaker 1: those are the people getting the Nobel Prizes. If we
Speaker 1: had something that would absolutely cure cancer, whatever doctors were
Speaker 1: on the research, they would be jumping up and down,
Speaker 1: they would be on all the talk shows. They would
Speaker 1: be doing everything they could to get that Nobel prize.
Speaker 1: So when people ask me questions like that, this is
Speaker 1: how I get that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I totally get that. So okay, back to the event,
Speaker 3: and I want to ask one one more question about
Speaker 3: the look of the craft. You had said to me
Speaker 3: in a private converse or in a phone call that
Speaker 3: it was sixty percent you know, top and forty sent
Speaker 3: bottom shaped shaped like a disc. Uh. You know you've
Speaker 3: obviously drawn that here in your in the best ability
Speaker 3: that you can.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 3: We don't trust me. That's that's better than I could do.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 3: So I appreciate it. What you know, there was a
Speaker 3: there was a person who claimed to work at Area
Speaker 3: fifty one and who told the world in nineteen eighty
Speaker 3: nine that what that he saw something that that was
Speaker 3: shaped similarly. I'm not I don't want to say any names.
Speaker 3: I don't want to go specifics here.
Speaker 1: Everybody everybody knows who it is that one thing, one thing,
Speaker 1: you know, I can't speak to, of course, of anything
Speaker 1: he said. However, when I saw what was called the
Speaker 1: sports model, when I saw that, I thought, man, that
Speaker 1: that looks, you know, pretty similar to what I saw.
Speaker 1: And I saw it in nineteen ninety two, so there
Speaker 1: would be only three years difference. I don't know if
Speaker 1: it would be the same type of vehicle, whether someone
Speaker 1: else was trying to do a similar sort of thing,
Speaker 1: but it was. It was very similar to what was
Speaker 1: called the Sports model.
Speaker 3: And that's that's that's what I wanted to figure out,
Speaker 3: and I don't because I don't like to. I don't
Speaker 3: want to tie anyone's story to anyone else's. Of course,
Speaker 3: I just find it odd that in nineteen eighty nine,
Speaker 3: you know, in that timeframe, that story comes out, and
Speaker 3: then in ninety two and he had in you know,
Speaker 3: when he did give his testimony to George Knapp, in
Speaker 3: that silhouetted version, he had said that these were in hangars.
Speaker 3: You know, they were in hangars, and what you saw
Speaker 3: was in a hangar and it was undisclosed, you know,
Speaker 3: an undisclosed hangar. There was no time or insignia that
Speaker 3: would have told you when it occurred or when it
Speaker 3: was filmed. You know, could it have been something similar?
Speaker 3: And I think the answer to it is, you know,
Speaker 3: obviously something that is going to speculation, But it is
Speaker 3: in that same time frame that you're seeing both, and
Speaker 3: I find out to be peculiar.
Speaker 1: If I was asked the question, did you see any
Speaker 1: close similarities between this drawing and what I saw, my
Speaker 1: answer would be yes, I see some significant similarities.
Speaker 3: Well yeah, and that's that's that's what I was asking.
Speaker 3: So I really do appreciate, appreciate you going into detail
Speaker 3: about that. Now, did you see any flight surfaces, any rivets,
Speaker 3: any seams, anything.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 1: Not only was there nothing of that sort, but even
Speaker 1: everything was extremely smooth. You know, even where the little
Speaker 1: top met the main aircraft, it was blended. If you
Speaker 1: think about the difference of the F one seventeen, At
Speaker 1: the time they made the F one seventeen, they didn't
Speaker 1: have very good computers, so they had to make lots
Speaker 1: of flat surface. By the time they made the F
Speaker 1: twenty two, there's no flat surfaces. Everything is very smooth
Speaker 1: and blended. Because anytime you have a corner or straight edge,
Speaker 1: you're going to increase the radar signature. So if I
Speaker 1: had to say that the surface looked either like the
Speaker 1: F one seventeen or the F twenty two, I would
Speaker 1: say absolutely, it looks more like that F twenty two
Speaker 1: outer surface than anything that F one seventeen would.
Speaker 3: Look like wow wow. So you know, to paint a
Speaker 3: picture almost like something that was three printed in a
Speaker 3: hole on a mass scale.
Speaker 1: You you look at the history. The F one seventeen
Speaker 1: started out in the nineteen seventies and then came out
Speaker 1: operational in the nineteen eighties. All of the pre production
Speaker 1: work and research for the F twenty two was being
Speaker 1: done in the nineteen nineties, and they already had computers
Speaker 1: that could figure out, okay, if we blend the wing here,
Speaker 1: if we blend the tail here, here's as long as
Speaker 1: we blend it in this way, we're going to significantly
Speaker 1: decrease the radar cross section. That is the kind of
Speaker 1: thing I saw on the vehicle I witnessed in ninety.
Speaker 3: Two, absolutely amazing.
Speaker 1: And there were no straight no straight surfaces, no corners,
Speaker 1: no rivets, there was nothing. If I was thinking, what's
Speaker 1: going to be the radar cross section of this thing,
Speaker 1: I would think, man, the radar cross section is going
Speaker 1: to be low, so you.
Speaker 3: Know, very low chances of it being picked up, high
Speaker 3: chances of stealth available stealth capability.
Speaker 1: Well, you would also have to do radar absorbent material
Speaker 1: and a bunch of other kinds of things, but just
Speaker 1: from the appearance of the surface, it would be susceptible
Speaker 1: to that type of engineering.
Speaker 3: And when again, so after you watch, after your see
Speaker 3: the video, you you turn to the person that showed
Speaker 3: you and asked something along the lines of you know,
Speaker 3: is this ours? Where do we get this? And he
Speaker 3: motions upward as in it came from either the gods or.
Speaker 1: He pointed up as though he's indicating space, and he says,
Speaker 1: we got it from then, so that is some intelligent source.
Speaker 1: At that moment, I wasn't really interested in they with
Speaker 1: any additional information because he had already screwed me over.
Speaker 3: Right right, And that's a you know that that is
Speaker 3: an interesting aspect to this thing, because you know, you
Speaker 3: didn't ask to see this, and you know, I I,
Speaker 3: I don't even want to ask this, but I think
Speaker 3: I have to. Is there any chance that this was
Speaker 3: done to you on purpose to have you an eventual
Speaker 3: some sort of disinformation campaign, some some some way to
Speaker 3: try to trick you, to discredit you. Is there is
Speaker 3: there any chance that that could be what's at play?
Speaker 1: This is going to sound a little bit personal, but
Speaker 1: my impression of the guy who is showing me this
Speaker 1: was that he was shorter than me, a little bit dumpier,
Speaker 1: and with just sort of the way he acted, I
Speaker 1: think he was probably someone who is not necessarily well
Speaker 1: liked by his co workers, especially when I saw the
Speaker 1: response of those people to him, when they came into
Speaker 1: a locker room and he's there, and the way he responded,
Speaker 1: I think he probably had some ego issues and as such,
Speaker 1: if you were going to pick someone to be responsible
Speaker 1: for transmitting information, this was not the person you would choose.
Speaker 3: Well, that actually raises multiple questions now because you know
Speaker 3: he so it sounds like maybe he wanted to show
Speaker 3: off a little bit.
Speaker 1: Exactly like my total impression was he wanted to show
Speaker 1: off to me. Yeah, I said, I have something that
Speaker 1: even you have never seen. As soon as he said that,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, oh, man, what's he what's he going to do?
Speaker 3: Right? And and and and Honestly, I think people need
Speaker 3: to remember that your first I mean, you're you're you're
Speaker 3: a patriot the way I see it, because you know,
Speaker 3: the first thing that's going through your mind is how
Speaker 3: do I report this? And you ultimately come to the
Speaker 3: conclusion that you can't because I mean, the reprisal rate
Speaker 3: was at one hundred percent. You know, you probably fly
Speaker 3: a desk for the rest of your life, and you
Speaker 3: know you have to go through major psycho vals and
Speaker 3: and and you know every single person involved would have been,
Speaker 3: you know, in serious issue, serious trouble. Do you ever
Speaker 3: regret not reporting it.
Speaker 1: No interesting. If I had reported it, it would have
Speaker 1: caused a whole chain of events for I have to
Speaker 1: report to these people. They will have to report it
Speaker 1: to these people. I would not have wanted to go
Speaker 1: to myke colonel who was my raider, to say whether
Speaker 1: or not I'm doing a good job every year, and
Speaker 1: he always gave me good, excellent ratings for the job
Speaker 1: that I did. I did not want to go to
Speaker 1: him and say, hey, sir, guess what I just saw
Speaker 1: flying saucer right you got to beginning. I wasn't going
Speaker 1: to do that.
Speaker 3: No, this is the person, you know. I just want
Speaker 3: to show a couple of pictures of you.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 1: Okay, this was my flag Surgeon's office out at Launch
Speaker 1: Complex thirty nine A. I'm in the backseat here, but
Speaker 1: this is a NASSA T thirty eight at the Shuttle
Speaker 1: Landing facility. So that's me when I was in West
Speaker 1: Germany and we were getting ready for UH sixty flight
Speaker 1: with the third Infantry Division. So you can see the
Speaker 1: third i D markings on it.
Speaker 3: And then here I'm going to show there will be
Speaker 3: super imposed, but there's a picture with you and buzz
Speaker 3: Aldron at a book signing. So I just want to
Speaker 3: and I show these things because I do want to
Speaker 3: show people that you absolutely are who you say you are. Anybody,
Speaker 3: I think we'll be able to look you up and
Speaker 3: see your credentials you provided them to me. You know what,
Speaker 3: what what made you decide to do this?
Speaker 1: This picture that I have on the wall back here,
Speaker 1: it's not really a picture, but it was given to
Speaker 1: me at the time that I left the Space program,
Speaker 1: and so it says Space Shuttle Support Team as pictures
Speaker 1: Shuttle operations. But then the flag below the flag, it
Speaker 1: says flag flown in space. So when they presented it
Speaker 1: to me, they said that this particular flag they thought
Speaker 1: had flown on STS sixty three with Atlantis for at
Speaker 1: least three point seven million nautical miles.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: So this flag was flown in space and then presented
Speaker 1: to me, So they wow. Do things like that very
Speaker 1: often unless you've got a reason that you deserve it well.
Speaker 3: And that's another thing about your character, my friend is
Speaker 3: and that's what I want to convey to people, is
Speaker 3: that you've kept this secret for how many years now,
Speaker 3: almost thirty.
Speaker 1: Thirty thirty three years. I didn't even see my wife
Speaker 1: for fifteen years, and when I did, she said, well,
Speaker 1: why are you telling me this now?
Speaker 7: Well, I have a told anybody else. You know, you're
Speaker 7: my wife, and you know, yeah, yeah, you know.
Speaker 1: But she didn't appreciate the fact that I told her
Speaker 1: fifteen years later.
Speaker 3: Right, And those things, you know, those kind of secrets,
Speaker 3: they they'll eat away at you and over the years.
Speaker 3: I do want to ask that because I don't think
Speaker 3: people really take this into consideration too much. You know,
Speaker 3: when you were.
Speaker 8: Seeing things on the news, or when you'd be at
Speaker 8: the grocery in a supermarket checkout and there would be
Speaker 8: a tabloid you know there about some crazy alien conspiracy.
Speaker 3: I mean, did it ever eat you up a little bit?
Speaker 3: That you know what you saw is an indication and
Speaker 3: just the fact that you have a knowing that other
Speaker 3: people around you just simply don't.
Speaker 1: Generally speaking, No, that really didn't affect me. I've done
Speaker 1: a lot of things down through the years. I was
Speaker 1: an ear doctor for six years. I had friends of
Speaker 1: mine back in the military who died for this country.
Speaker 1: One particular situation comes to mind, and we had just
Speaker 1: had a crew that had flown a perfect mission on gunnery,
Speaker 1: and so it was the first time that anyone had
Speaker 1: a perfect score for like four months. When they come
Speaker 1: back to the FARP, the forward arming and refueling point,
Speaker 1: the pilot who had done the shooting was actually one
Speaker 1: of our safety officers. He gets out of the aircraft,
Speaker 1: he's age one Cobra. He walks to the tail of
Speaker 1: the aircraft because he has to clear the aircraft since
Speaker 1: they had used live ammunition. When he gets to the
Speaker 1: back of the aircraft, he takes a ninety degree turn
Speaker 1: and walks right into the tail rotor of the helicopter.
Speaker 1: Took the top of his head off. Pieces are flying everywhere.
Speaker 1: The pilot that was at the controls the foot pedals
Speaker 1: control the tail rotor, and he could feel this sudden
Speaker 1: jerk on the foot pedals and as he looked, everyone
Speaker 1: was running behind him. He just got a sick feeling
Speaker 1: and I believe he threw up and he ended up
Speaker 1: having a tremendous amount of problems. Well, there were also
Speaker 1: eighteen or nineteen people who had witnessed this, so I
Speaker 1: wasn't there, but bring in the flight surgeon. You know,
Speaker 1: there's going to be things I have to do to
Speaker 1: get blood and urine samples for the accident investigation, and
Speaker 1: then I'm going to have to process his body for
Speaker 1: an autopsy, and I had to go out. I found
Speaker 1: one piece of his skull about a one hundred and
Speaker 1: thirty feet in front of the the aircraft, so I
Speaker 1: had to recover it and make sure the photographer got
Speaker 1: a picture of it and all this, and at the
Speaker 1: same time, I'm having to deal with all of these
Speaker 1: witnesses who are just breaking down all over and it
Speaker 1: was just an absolutely terrible time. Well, I didn't get
Speaker 1: back to my we were because we were at gunnery.
Speaker 1: We were actually intense A GP medium was what we had.
Speaker 1: And as I came and sat down, I was just
Speaker 1: totally exhausted. But one of my medics said, Captain Rogers,
Speaker 1: how bad was it? And I said, it's as bad
Speaker 1: as you could imagine. And so I'm sitting here talking
Speaker 1: to her a little bit, and she looks over at
Speaker 1: my boot and she says, doctor Rogers, I don't know
Speaker 1: how to tell you this, but I think part of
Speaker 1: Ronnie's brain. Oh my god. So I looked down and
Speaker 1: sure enough, there's brain tissue on my boot. So I
Speaker 1: reached down and pick it up and I throw it
Speaker 1: into this pop billy stove that we had for heat,
Speaker 1: and then to me. The very next moment, there was
Speaker 1: hand on my shoulder and it was my staff sergeant
Speaker 1: in C I see, and he says, come on, doc,
Speaker 1: we got to get over to the third attack. And
Speaker 1: I said, what are you talking about. It's the middle
Speaker 1: of the nine and I said, no, it's not, it's
Speaker 1: five fifty. We need to get over there. What I
Speaker 1: ended up tracking down the medic who had been talking
Speaker 1: to me, and I said, do you remember talking to
Speaker 1: me last night when I got back And she said yes, sir.
Speaker 1: And I said, do you remember telling me that part
Speaker 1: of the brain was on my boot and I threw
Speaker 1: it in the pop belly stove And she said yes, sir.
Speaker 1: And I said what did I do next? And she said, well,
Speaker 1: I was trying to talk to you, but you weren't responding.
Speaker 1: So I just got back in my sleeping bag and
Speaker 1: went to sleep. I lost five hours from absolutely nowhere
Speaker 1: because of the trauma of all this thing. So when
Speaker 1: I look back at all the different things I've done,
Speaker 1: I've got lots of things to think about. I can't
Speaker 1: just imagine something has happened. And you've got a really
Speaker 1: injured person who happens to live just a few doors
Speaker 1: from your house, and he's dying. You're doing everything you
Speaker 1: can to saving, but you can't saving, and he dies
Speaker 1: right under your hands.
Speaker 3: Yeah, my god.
Speaker 1: I've got lots and lots of stories. So if if
Speaker 1: I'm going to be thinking of stuff, I'm going to
Speaker 1: think about that. During Hurricane Andrew, we went went down
Speaker 1: and rescued people. We got credited with twenty three lives saved.
Speaker 1: I hardly remember any of it because I was so
Speaker 1: busy with it. But we lost one girl. She was sixteen,
Speaker 1: and she had no heartbeat. Stuff had collapsed on her,
Speaker 1: got the heartbeat going, she was breathing again, and so
Speaker 1: we're booking it to Jackson Memorial Hospital so that we
Speaker 1: can get her into surgery. But as I'm seeing her,
Speaker 1: I noticed as there was fluid coming out of her
Speaker 1: left ear. So I took a four by four cotton
Speaker 1: four by four and I touched it to the fluid
Speaker 1: well Cerebros. Spinal fluid and water have different densities, and
Speaker 1: so if water is there, it will absorb in cotton
Speaker 1: to a certain length. But if you have cerebro spinal fluid.
Speaker 1: It will spread in the cotton, but not as far.
Speaker 1: And so if you see a double ring, you know, okay,
Speaker 1: this is water, this is cerebral spinal fluid. She's got
Speaker 1: a base or skull fracture. I've got her breathing, I've
Speaker 1: got a heartbeat going. But this is really bad. So
Speaker 1: we dropped her off and the next day it was
Speaker 1: a madhouse. In the hallways, they didn't have any rooms,
Speaker 1: so they would just use post it notes and stick
Speaker 1: it up. And so this spot in the hallway was
Speaker 1: the room for that patient. And so all up and
Speaker 1: down all of the halls, the rooms were just sticky
Speaker 1: notes on the wall, and you had patients in every
Speaker 1: conceivable location. Well, I took another victim to the hospital
Speaker 1: the next day, and I saw one of the nurses
Speaker 1: that had taken care of this girl, and I said,
Speaker 1: did they end up doing any cranial surgery on her?
Speaker 1: And she said, oh no, no, she died two hours later.
Speaker 1: And I said, oh, my goodness. Nothing. The people I saved,
Speaker 1: you know, we were credited with twenty three I hardly
Speaker 1: remember any of them, but the patients I have lost
Speaker 1: stick in my mind for the rest of my life.
Speaker 3: Of course, of course, right naturally. I mean I couldn't
Speaker 3: even I mean, thank you for your service to this,
Speaker 3: you know. And I think it goes a long way.
Speaker 3: It goes a long way with people to hear your
Speaker 3: things like that, because you're not just someone who's coming
Speaker 3: out and saying, you know, I saw something, I saw something,
Speaker 3: and you know I want this or that. You know,
Speaker 3: I want a book deal or that. No, you just
Speaker 3: want to do something for the greater good. And I
Speaker 3: think at the end of the day, you know, we'll
Speaker 3: all be judged for our for our actions. And I
Speaker 3: think I think, my friend, I think you've I think
Speaker 3: you've done far more, far more good.
Speaker 1: There's one thing I want to say that I have
Speaker 1: probably said ten thousand times in my lifetime. When my
Speaker 1: friends died in the military, they did not put a
Speaker 1: Democratic flag on their coffin. They did not put a
Speaker 1: Republican flag on their coffin. They put an American flag
Speaker 1: on that coffin because that person gave everything they had
Speaker 1: to this country. And when I see people, especially elected officials,
Speaker 1: that are more loyal to their party than they are
Speaker 1: the United States of America, that drives me crazy. Yes,
Speaker 1: and have people dying giving their lives for this country,
Speaker 1: and we have other people that manipulate money and the
Speaker 1: government and political power just for the sake of their
Speaker 1: political party. So, you know, independent voter, and I just
Speaker 1: find the political infighting incredibly ridiculous.
Speaker 3: It's also redundant.
Speaker 1: We should we should have we should have people in
Speaker 1: Congress who are Americans first. They should do whatever it
Speaker 1: takes to be good for the United States. George Washington
Speaker 1: did not want to be president, but they said, look,
Speaker 1: this constitution thing isn't going to work unless your president.
Speaker 1: At the end of four years, he said, I'm finally
Speaker 1: going to go home, and they said, you can't. We've
Speaker 1: got so many problems. And so he had given his
Speaker 1: entire adult life to this country. But he said, okay,
Speaker 1: I'll be president for four more years, but I'd a
Speaker 1: lot rather go back to Mount Vernon and let everyone
Speaker 1: forget me. But he didn't do that. That's what our
Speaker 1: founding fathers have done. The military personnel who are so superior,
Speaker 1: so dedicated to this country, will give their lives. And
Speaker 1: there were many times that I came close to dying.
Speaker 1: I would not have wanted anything but an American flag
Speaker 1: on my coffin. People, stop doing all this political garbage
Speaker 1: and try being an American for a difference.
Speaker 3: Yes, I couldn't. I could not agree more with you, honestly,
Speaker 3: And I want to get into something here because I
Speaker 3: know we discussed this in our preliminary phone conversation. Uh
Speaker 3: what what would you say to people that are going
Speaker 3: to be skeptical of your experience in the sense that
Speaker 3: maybe you don't have you know, obviously they're you know
Speaker 3: that in the comments and people write articles and say
Speaker 3: it's just another it's just another story, it's just another
Speaker 3: there's no evidence to support it. What would you say
Speaker 3: to people like that?
Speaker 1: First of all, I have no evidence, But secondly, I
Speaker 1: couldn't have gained evidence at the time. I carried a
Speaker 1: pager because we didn't have cell phones. I had to
Speaker 1: leave the pager at the security office at the front door.
Speaker 1: Even if I had an iPhone, I could not have
Speaker 1: taken it in there. If I had the iPhone, I
Speaker 1: could not have taken a photo in that area without permission.
Speaker 1: So you know, I could sit there and get some
Speaker 1: crayons and draw something, but there was zero chance I
Speaker 1: was going to get any evidence because I was in
Speaker 1: a classified area. You can't take cell phones. I've done
Speaker 1: a cell phone, but I had to leave my pager
Speaker 1: at the front. Exactly how could I have possibly gotten
Speaker 1: any evidence of this?
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I've been in US gift uh.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: And for anyone who doesn't realize, uh, these I mean
Speaker 3: these clean rooms, these these secure facilities. Uh, I mean
Speaker 3: they're designed most of the time too to suppress any
Speaker 3: you know, signals, and and you know, you have to
Speaker 3: give up your phone, You have to give up anything
Speaker 3: that sends or receives a signal, even if it's an
Speaker 3: Apple Watch, you cannot have it in there, no recording
Speaker 3: devices when they bring you into these places. They ensure
Speaker 3: privacy and secrecy.
Speaker 1: Uh well, operational security even goes beyond that. Let's say
Speaker 1: that you're in a room and it is an absolutely
Speaker 1: secure room, and you have two workers there. If one
Speaker 1: of the people is talking to another person in the
Speaker 1: classified location and they are talking about Project A, if
Speaker 1: the phone rings for the other person and he picks
Speaker 1: it up, he cannot hold the conversation in the vicinity
Speaker 1: to where the person A is discussing another security issue.
Speaker 1: So one of them's going to have to hang up
Speaker 1: and call back later because they cannot both be discussing
Speaker 1: separate types of secure information because the person on the
Speaker 1: other end could hear the other person speaking. So when
Speaker 1: you get into operational security, it's a lot deeper than
Speaker 1: what most people can even possibly comprehend.
Speaker 3: Yes, I couldn't. Yeah, I couldn't have said it better myself.
Speaker 3: So and that goes to show you that you know,
Speaker 3: one of our problems scientifically, I think, and with breakthroughs
Speaker 3: I do think, is the stove piping of information. It's
Speaker 3: the compartment compartmentalization that is that has ultimately been built
Speaker 3: in to the infrastructure of our scientific advancement, you know,
Speaker 3: through d D contracts or other government contracts. And you know,
Speaker 3: Eisenhower obviously warned us about the military industrial complex for
Speaker 3: several different reasons, but I think one of them was
Speaker 3: that we would lose sight of what's important, and you
Speaker 3: know that the we'd become a very militaristic, militaristic society
Speaker 3: or a police state with one of the things, I
Speaker 3: think I would be crucified if I didn't ask you this.
Speaker 3: Did so many people in this community would crucify me
Speaker 3: if I didn't at least ask you a couple basic
Speaker 3: You know, we.
Speaker 1: Don't want you harmed, so go ahead and ask it.
Speaker 3: Well, there there are these you know, these questions. So
Speaker 3: astronauts have obviously spoken out and said that they have
Speaker 3: seen things in space, whether it's lights, discs, whether it's orbs,
Speaker 3: this or that. I I would be remiss if I
Speaker 3: didn't ask you, have you heard those same stories and
Speaker 3: given what you've seen, you know, is there do you
Speaker 3: think that it's possible.
Speaker 1: I have heard those stories, and I've heard the stories
Speaker 1: from people that I consider absolutely reliable. The only problem is,
Speaker 1: just like me in ninety two, who's who's going to
Speaker 1: turn around and talk about this? You know, if this
Speaker 1: is your flight, first flight into space and you mentioned
Speaker 1: something like that, it's also your last flight in space. Yes,
Speaker 1: if if you say something, the concern is okay, they've
Speaker 1: just removed you from the astronaut core. Most of the
Speaker 1: astronauts do not get paid a whole lot while they're astronauts,
Speaker 1: but when they retire, they get hired by all these
Speaker 1: big corporations because they say, oh well, we want astronaut
Speaker 1: X on our board of directors. And whenever somebody comes
Speaker 1: to visit, they trot out their astronaut and do all
Speaker 1: of this stuff. You do something like that and report something,
Speaker 1: nobody's going to want you.
Speaker 3: That is a sad reality. It is a sad reality.
Speaker 3: And you know, I think from from the landing on.
Speaker 2: The Moon.
Speaker 3: To you know, just International Space Station work, people have reported.
Speaker 3: You know, they've at least come forward in recent years
Speaker 3: because you know, I think the stigma is fading away
Speaker 3: a little bit. You know, the Navy has put in
Speaker 3: place protocols for people to report, but there is still
Speaker 3: that stigma element to it that people have signed to it.
Speaker 3: You know, there are reporting mechanisms now, but people are
Speaker 3: still less likely to report something because of the stigma
Speaker 3: that people impose upon it. So why are you coming
Speaker 3: forward now of all time?
Speaker 1: Because I've just retired from the Department of Defense and
Speaker 1: I don't have to worry about any promotions or bonuses
Speaker 1: or anything of that sort because I'm out. However, I
Speaker 1: am still very concerned that for me, my family, my grandkids,
Speaker 1: there could be people out there who are going to
Speaker 1: go to extreme links to harasses. I really hate to
Speaker 1: think that anybody would do anything to any member of
Speaker 1: my family, But you can't put anything beyond anyone these days.
Speaker 3: So so you are aware that they're you know, there
Speaker 3: there are you're taking a chance by coming forward, and
Speaker 3: that there could be repercussions, and you know, I think that,
Speaker 3: you know, I think that's a sad thing because I
Speaker 3: know a lot of people are going to embrace what
Speaker 3: you're saying, and they're going to look at you for
Speaker 3: who you are, for who you've proven yourself to be.
Speaker 3: But again, there's always going to be those people who
Speaker 3: they're just kind of stuck in that box and they
Speaker 3: don't want to pick their head up and realize that
Speaker 3: anything else is possible or that something else may be
Speaker 3: going on they can't explain, because God forbid, they can't
Speaker 3: explain it. That frightens them the most.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, there are people that we rescued from the
Speaker 1: search and rescue missions out this one time this but
Speaker 1: with five people sunk one hundred and thirty five miles
Speaker 1: off shore, we had to get in our helicopters hook
Speaker 1: up with the C one tanker to get out there
Speaker 1: because we could not hover with the fuel load that
Speaker 1: we took off with, So we had to go pick
Speaker 1: up these people then aerial refuel because if we don't
Speaker 1: do the area refuel We're not going to get back
Speaker 1: to land. The people we rescued appreciated what we did. However,
Speaker 1: of the people on this planet have never heard of
Speaker 1: what happened, and so you know, most people have no
Speaker 1: idea who I am. And I am just really going
Speaker 1: to be concerned that if I'm at a restaurant, somebody's
Speaker 1: going to say, hey, that's the flying saucer guy, and
Speaker 1: that's all I am.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, I think again, I I I am
Speaker 3: generally I'm going to be generally optimistic about this and say,
Speaker 3: I think that people are going to receive your testimony.
Speaker 3: You did another interview with Josh Boswell and that will
Speaker 3: have come out by the time this comes out as well.
Speaker 3: So I know you don't want to do a ton
Speaker 3: of interviews and you want to get things off the
Speaker 3: record with as few people as possible. I think that
Speaker 3: goes a long way to say, you know again, you're
Speaker 3: not looking for you know money, You're not asking for money.
Speaker 3: The International UFO Bureau has been your outlet that facilitated
Speaker 3: all of this, you know.
Speaker 1: And I really want to bring that up. Mandy top
Speaker 1: Fest is the director, Terry is running everything. I just
Speaker 1: got through talking to her five times yesterday. But the
Speaker 1: International UFO Bureau in Oklahoma City was actually founded back
Speaker 1: in the fifties that this was one of the earliest
Speaker 1: UFO or organizations, and Jimmy Carter reported his UFO he
Speaker 1: wanted a place he could trust, and he wasn't president
Speaker 1: at the time, but Jimmy Carter trusted the International UFO
Speaker 1: Bureau to take his report and handle it in a
Speaker 1: proper fashion. So these are the kind of things that
Speaker 1: as we're sort of expanding the International UFO Bureau that
Speaker 1: we really want to make clear we are not just
Speaker 1: taking people off the street and doing stuff. We are
Speaker 1: taking specialists in different kinds of fields, some of them
Speaker 1: in information technology, we're doing some with like me, military
Speaker 1: or technology backgrounds. And when you look at the people
Speaker 1: that are now part of it, and I'm looking at
Speaker 1: one of them on the other side of the screen here, yes,
Speaker 1: these are extremely professional people. This is not being handled
Speaker 1: in a lackadaisical manner. It is not being treated as
Speaker 1: you know, just some story. The stuff we're doing will
Speaker 1: make a difference. So anyone who is not paid attention
Speaker 1: to the International UFO Bureau, they certainly need to do that,
Speaker 1: and there's no better time than now. But yeah, the
Speaker 1: Bureau is going to make a difference.
Speaker 3: And what would you say to any other whistleblower of
Speaker 3: any sort, you know, if they if they had an experience,
Speaker 3: or if they have any information that they wanted to
Speaker 3: share with the public. Given your experience, would the International
Speaker 3: UFL Bureau be capable of handling that.
Speaker 1: Yes they would. However, everything about this ninety two experience
Speaker 1: is just now being revealed, so I can't tell you
Speaker 1: what the six month repercussions are going to be because
Speaker 1: it's going to take six months for me to find
Speaker 1: that out. So I would encourage people to tell the
Speaker 1: stories that they have. You know, when I was a
Speaker 1: flight surgeon, we had multiple aircraft miss apps and so
Speaker 1: we would always look for every witness who saw anything
Speaker 1: about that aircraft misapp and we want to get their
Speaker 1: report because one person might until one little detail that
Speaker 1: becomes very important, and then someone else has a different
Speaker 1: detail and you know, maybe they're not very accurate about this,
Speaker 1: but they tell us this one thing and as soon
Speaker 1: as we hear that, we say, oh my goodness. You know,
Speaker 1: you know, people these days, because of what happened in
Speaker 1: New York, they're asking about mass bumping. Well, mass bumping
Speaker 1: originated back in Vietnam when the Hueys were first being used,
Speaker 1: so that they were crashing and they didn't know why,
Speaker 1: so they ended up having to put special cushions on
Speaker 1: the dual roator to prevent mass bumping. But if you
Speaker 1: don't pay attention, you still lose a helicopter and crew
Speaker 1: right right.
Speaker 3: And you know we talked earlier about your book Impact,
Speaker 3: and you know, you tell that story, you know, it's
Speaker 3: almost like you were the muse was working through you
Speaker 3: and you were channeling something because you know the story
Speaker 3: you told, you know almost you know, it almost happens.
Speaker 3: You know, it does happen a few years later, and
Speaker 3: other people have described that.
Speaker 1: I have heard the story that, you know, I've not
Speaker 1: done research on it, but somebody, sometime or another I
Speaker 1: heard that in like nineteen or eighteen ninety seven, somebody
Speaker 1: wrote a novel about a ship on its maiden voyage
Speaker 1: going from England to the United States. It hits an
Speaker 1: iceberg and sinks, and supposedly the name of the ship
Speaker 1: was the Titan. And then oh and then in nineteen
Speaker 1: ten twelve, the Titanic does exactly what the guy wrote
Speaker 1: in the book. Well, I hate to say this, but
Speaker 1: what I predicted would happen. If you had damage to
Speaker 1: the thermal protection system and tried to land anyway and
Speaker 1: tried to go through entry without protecting the thermal protection system,
Speaker 1: You're going to die. And eight years later, the crew
Speaker 1: of Colombia was lost because they did not have a
Speaker 1: repair kit so that they could return to Earth in
Speaker 1: a safe manner. And that's a tragedy. Oh my goodness,
Speaker 1: it's such a tragedy. But you know when that happened,
Speaker 1: it just broke my heart. I mean, man, I told
Speaker 1: you that.
Speaker 3: It right, it's almost worse. It's yeah, it's almost worse
Speaker 3: in your case, because you know you did. It's it's
Speaker 3: almost like I said, you know, cursed with information, and
Speaker 3: you know the could haves the wood ofs and the
Speaker 3: did not. You know, those will, those will get away
Speaker 3: at you. And and you know, I'm sure, I'm sure
Speaker 3: you know you have to come to grips with it
Speaker 3: some some way, and and you have to some degree.
Speaker 3: But there's still that that inkling of like, you know,
Speaker 3: I feel like we could have done more. We could
Speaker 3: have done more, and I really want to thank you
Speaker 3: for having the courage to, you know, come forward and
Speaker 3: tell what you saw. I think it is a piece
Speaker 3: in a larger puzzle that we continue to try to understand.
Speaker 3: It's something that you know, we're not We're not dealing
Speaker 3: with with something that's simple here. Uh, these phenomena are
Speaker 3: are among the most complex. These questions are complex.
Speaker 1: And they're very old. I mean, go back in the Bible,
Speaker 1: Elijah and Elisha are walking through Jericho and the sons
Speaker 1: of the prophets come out to Elisia and saying, hey,
Speaker 1: don't you know that your boss is going to be
Speaker 1: taken up to heaven today. Well, he says, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, don't bring it up. So they cross the
Speaker 1: Jordan River and on the other side, you know, it's
Speaker 1: it's like, I hate to say it like this, but
Speaker 1: I'm going to anyway.
Speaker 2: You know, he.
Speaker 1: Went through the check in process, he put his luggage
Speaker 1: out there, he went to gate number one. This fiery
Speaker 1: chariot spacecraft comes down and lands, He gets on, his luggage,
Speaker 1: gets on, and then they take off. Now, then, at
Speaker 1: the time, they had no word for rocket. The fastest
Speaker 1: thing they knew was a chariot. But this fiery chariot
Speaker 1: with smoke takes off and leaves. Well, if you took
Speaker 1: some of those very people out to a space Shuttle
Speaker 1: launch when I was doing that, and they watched these
Speaker 1: seven people in these funny orange suits climb onto the
Speaker 1: space shuttle, and they don't know what a space shuttle is.
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden they watch and this
Speaker 1: tremendous roar comes out, and flames and smoke are coming up,
Speaker 1: and you see these people go up into space. They
Speaker 1: would have no words to describe what they had seen.
Speaker 1: And so when we look at this fiery chariot that
Speaker 1: took Elijah to Heaven into space, how do we you
Speaker 1: know what that fiery chirt was. It could have been
Speaker 1: a piece of technology that we now understand that those
Speaker 1: people wouldn't have wouldn't have known. If I took an
Speaker 1: iPhone back to ancient Egypt and I took pictures of
Speaker 1: people and I did all this stuff, you can do.
Speaker 1: You know, somebody is five miles away and I talked
Speaker 1: to him on the iPhone. They would think I was
Speaker 1: a god that'd be worshiping me, or think that I'm
Speaker 1: a devil and put me to death right, But it's
Speaker 1: technology right, and and.
Speaker 3: You know, given I guess to, I want to get
Speaker 3: your take on that because it is kind of interesting.
Speaker 3: It's always interested me. You know, you talked about earlier,
Speaker 3: you know, the how they named the ships in Atlantis,
Speaker 3: and uh, do you believe that there? You know that
Speaker 3: there could possibly have been a more advanced civilization that
Speaker 3: you know existed pre ice pre the last Ice Age,
Speaker 3: and that you know, that's who may be being referenced
Speaker 3: in a lot of these you know, stories of antiquity
Speaker 3: and back even further of this civilization that seems to
Speaker 3: be global and to have godlike powers. Could that have
Speaker 3: been misidentified technology?
Speaker 1: Well? The one thing I would say is when you
Speaker 1: look at the archaeology, where are the remnants of any
Speaker 1: of this thing? If we have a seven forty seven crash,
Speaker 1: they'll go out in the field and they'll try to
Speaker 1: pick up everything that's there. But you could go back
Speaker 1: five years later and and a little piece of wire
Speaker 1: that was there and it's copper and it's got a
Speaker 1: coating on it because it was part of an aircraft.
Speaker 1: If you had that kind of technology, there should be
Speaker 1: that sort of residue that's out there. But I want
Speaker 1: you to think about something else. Our solar system is
Speaker 1: four point six billion years old. If there's you know,
Speaker 1: and as the star Antari's that has solar system with
Speaker 1: say two planets that actually developed intelligent life, but they
Speaker 1: did that one hundred thousand years before us. Look at
Speaker 1: the technology difference between now and one thousand years ago.
Speaker 1: If you're talking about one hundred thousand years in the
Speaker 1: future in those other planets, in other solar systems, they
Speaker 1: could be so far ahead of us that they're they're
Speaker 1: watching us just to make sure we don't kill ourselves,
Speaker 1: but they're not necessarily going to intervene a lot. You
Speaker 1: know who's a Star Trek fan. You know the prime
Speaker 1: directive you don't alter the development of culture on rather
Speaker 1: primitive planets.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you don't play god.
Speaker 1: Yeah, according to someone who was from a planet one
Speaker 1: hundred thousand years ahead of us, we would look primitive absolutely.
Speaker 1: And then and then all of a sudden, a nuclear
Speaker 1: weapon goes off. Well, this alerts everybody. Well, when did
Speaker 1: the biggest part of the UFO phenomenon start? Once we
Speaker 1: set off nuclear weapons? And so that's you know, there
Speaker 1: could be early warning systems that you know, maybe they
Speaker 1: can monitor gravitational waves that we can't. Maybe they've actually
Speaker 1: discovered a graviton with a plus two rotation boson. There
Speaker 1: is no telling what they might know that we don't know,
Speaker 1: and so us trying to figure that out. You know,
Speaker 1: I heard of some islands in the South Pacific during
Speaker 1: World War Two. All of a sudden, the Navy lands,
Speaker 1: and we have airplanes, and we the cargo cults, and
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, two years later, everybody leaves,
Speaker 1: and you know, some of these primitive islanders started building
Speaker 1: what looked to be airplanes as best they could make it,
Speaker 1: and they thought the gods had visited them. It wasn't
Speaker 1: the gods, you know, it was the Navy and the
Speaker 1: Air Force, but it was beyond their capability to comprehend.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So that's the classic cargo cult story. I love
Speaker 3: that one because it does give you, It gives you
Speaker 3: like a modern day case study into what happens when
Speaker 3: you know, we would call superior civilization meets more primitive civilization, and.
Speaker 1: We have actual evidence. You know, people went back there
Speaker 1: and they found this is the evidence of the thought
Speaker 1: process of these humans. They thought they met gods. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: they were Americans, but not gods.
Speaker 3: Yes, And that's that's a great you know, that's a
Speaker 3: that's a great point. That's a great story, Doctor Gregory Rogers.
Speaker 3: I thank you so much. This is only going to
Speaker 3: be I think part one. I think we're going to
Speaker 3: do try to do it part two, and we're going
Speaker 3: to try to do that. I would like to do
Speaker 3: it in person. So before I let you go, what
Speaker 3: what do you hope that people understand most from you
Speaker 3: coming forward? What do you hope to get from this?
Speaker 3: What like from people?
Speaker 1: I hope we beg I hope we begin to consider
Speaker 1: the fact that, you know, there are tiny little problems
Speaker 1: that we make into major mohills and then all of
Speaker 1: a sudden something happens. You know, there were people in
Speaker 1: villages that were fighting each other in Poland, and then
Speaker 1: on September first, nineteen thirty nine, the Germans invade. Well,
Speaker 1: the arguments they were having with their neighbors are nothing
Speaker 1: compared to the fact that panzers are rolling through their village.
Speaker 1: We don't always have a good perspective on what the
Speaker 1: most important things in our lives should be.
Speaker 3: That is that is wonderful, that that's truly truly wonderful.
Speaker 3: Where can people uh, where can people find out more
Speaker 3: about your story or you know, more about you? Can
Speaker 3: they buy the book Impact on Amazon?
Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, you know Amazon? You can contact the company
Speaker 1: that makes it, Austin mcaulay. But you know it should
Speaker 1: be on Barnes and Noble or or what.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, great, Yeah, but I think it's a wonderful story.
Speaker 1: Well, I wanted to be. I wanted it to be
Speaker 1: very educational. When people get through with my story, they're
Speaker 1: going to say, man, I had no idea the space
Speaker 1: program was this complex.
Speaker 3: Yes, and that's a it's a super I think it's
Speaker 3: super important to highlight that it's not you know, it's
Speaker 3: this base program. But ultimately there's there's politics involved, there's
Speaker 3: there's there's so many components, there's so many working pieces
Speaker 3: and moving pieces that you know, one decision doesn't get
Speaker 3: made without seven to eight people, you know, agreeing or disagreeing. So,
Speaker 3: you know, for everything that you've done, for everything that
Speaker 3: you've done for your country, I want to say thank
Speaker 3: you for your testimony as well. And if given an opportunity, uh,
Speaker 3: would you tell would you speak under oath?
Speaker 1: Sure?
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, with that being said, everybody watch out for
Speaker 3: part two. UH. The International UFO Bureau will definitely be
Speaker 3: announcing that as well as you know. If you want
Speaker 3: to stay up to date with the story, International UFO Bureau,
Speaker 3: all the links are in the description below.
Speaker 2: UH.
Speaker 3: This has mainly been brought to you by the Internet
Speaker 3: Salophone Bureau in partnership with total disclosure and like I said,
Speaker 3: and Mindy like Mindy teufest uh the leader of the bureau.
Speaker 3: So with that being said, we will catch you next time.
Speaker 3: Keep your eye on the sky. You never know what
Speaker 3: might fly by. Thank you, doctor Rogers for everything.
Speaker 1: It was my pleasure.
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