"Pivotal Moment in Human History" UFOs-Aliens & More with Bob McGwier
His interest in UFOs and the unknown stems from a deep curiosity about the universe and the possibilities that lie beyond our current understanding. Bob has been involved in numerous discussions and investigations regarding unidentified aerial phenomena (UAP), advocating for a scientific approach to studying these encounters. His passion for exploring the mysteries of the cosmos has led him to engage with various communities, sharing insights and fostering dialogue surrounding the implications of UFO sightings and extraterrestrial life.
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Speaker 1: not so sure about that. But today's guest, it's all
Speaker 1: about today's guest and this is a person I respect,
Speaker 1: I hold in high regard, and I want to welcome
Speaker 1: to the show, mister Bob McGuire. Well, hello, Bop, Hello.
Speaker 2: And hey, I'll call my mother later. Letter. Let you
Speaker 2: tell her how much.
Speaker 1: You yeah, yeah, please please do please, I would love that.
Speaker 1: That's awesome. So, Bob, you've been on the show before,
Speaker 1: you and your lovely uh, your lovely wife, and so
Speaker 1: just for everybody that maybe maybe they forgot, can you
Speaker 1: can you give us a brief intro on who you are,
Speaker 1: how you got into the field.
Speaker 2: Sure. Sure, So I had a few weird, weird experiences
Speaker 2: between ages zero and eighteen, with the last one being
Speaker 2: not at eighteen, an hour and a half of missing time.
Speaker 2: And during this hour and a half of missing time,
Speaker 2: I was with my girlfriend at the time. We were
Speaker 2: headed home from college and something happened. So I had
Speaker 2: no idea what missing time was or any explanation for
Speaker 2: what happened. I thought I had gotten road hypnosis and
Speaker 2: managed not direct. So we went home, told everybody sorry,
Speaker 2: we got lost whatever, and didn't think about it. But
Speaker 2: over the next two weeks I kept getting these serious urges,
Speaker 2: and finally, at the end of two weeks. I said, look,
Speaker 2: I'm in the wrong place. I need to change universities
Speaker 2: and change majors, and here's what I want to do.
Speaker 2: And my dad said, hey, that's great. You pay for
Speaker 2: this year and we'll see after that. So I changed schools.
Speaker 2: I got a job pumping gas, and I majored in
Speaker 2: mathematics and electrical engineering and got a dual degree. But
Speaker 2: after the first semester where I made all a's, he paid,
Speaker 2: I mean he was. He was a tough customer and
Speaker 2: he paid. He paid the tuition for me and my brother.
Speaker 2: We had to work to pay for the place we
Speaker 2: lived in. So it was my dad was. It was
Speaker 2: a great man, but he was. He was pretty strict. Okay.
Speaker 2: After doing the engineering and math, I went off to
Speaker 2: work at Sandia National Labs and realized while I was
Speaker 2: there for a year that the only people that got
Speaker 2: respect in the nineteen seventies and a technical field had
Speaker 2: a PhD. So I looked around. I applied all over
Speaker 2: the place, and I got admitted to the applied.
Speaker 3: Mathematics program at Brown University, and I moved up there
Speaker 3: and stayed there four years. While I worked on my degree,
Speaker 3: I worked taught quantum field theory by a Nobel laureate
Speaker 3: Leon Cooper, and famous mathematicians and.
Speaker 2: Famous computer scientists were around me all the time. Mold.
Speaker 2: My courses in computer science were taught to me by
Speaker 2: the world famous Don Knuth, who was major in the
Speaker 2: early days in the architecture of algorithms and analysis do
Speaker 2: so anyway, so I had a great education. I left
Speaker 2: there and went to work for the United States government
Speaker 2: doing intelligence work on behalf of the intelligence community, sometimes
Speaker 2: sitting at a contractor sometimes sitting at the agency. But
Speaker 2: it was easy to go back and forth during those days,
Speaker 2: so my career was interesting. So in twenty twenty ten
Speaker 2: I was asked to work on a major problem for
Speaker 2: the intelligence community at Oakridge National ABS. I went down there,
Speaker 2: spent a year, and came back and realized, I think
Speaker 2: I would like to leave what I'm doing and go
Speaker 2: work at Virginia Tech as the chief scientist and director
Speaker 2: of research for a new institute that was founded by
Speaker 2: Ted Hume and his wife. Ted Hume was the last
Speaker 2: of the directors of the Office of Science and Technology
Speaker 2: at the CIA that was anonymous, So I worked for
Speaker 2: him up the CIA and had gone to start a
Speaker 2: company that was bought out by Pinetic, and with a
Speaker 2: large he endowed this institute at Virginia Tech, where I
Speaker 2: stayed for ten years. It's now by far the most
Speaker 2: well funded research entity at Virginia Tech, and it's gone
Speaker 2: from a center to a national security institute. And the
Speaker 2: just the electrical lab person I hired, who I knew
Speaker 2: was a superstar, came in and his lab, which started
Speaker 2: with five people, now has its own building and hundreds
Speaker 2: working for it. I mean, it was the most successful
Speaker 2: massive research facility of growth you can imagine. And I
Speaker 2: just feel lucky because we had no idea if it
Speaker 2: was going to work. But the purpose was takes scientists
Speaker 2: years and other people and introduced them to the kinds
Speaker 2: of work they would see if they went inside and
Speaker 2: worked in the intelligence community for DoD or the contractors.
Speaker 2: And so I had a ton of great work. And
Speaker 2: so that went on fine. But at the end of
Speaker 2: that in twenty nineteen, after hearing about UFOs inside and
Speaker 2: seeing evidence for a couple of years, I joined the
Speaker 2: Richard Dolan Forum and gobbled down all his books and
Speaker 2: listened to everything he had to say, and I heard
Speaker 2: him interview Chris bledsoe in four to one hour episodes,
Speaker 2: and following that, I requested to Chris, who lived an
Speaker 2: hour and a half from me in North Carolina, would
Speaker 2: I be allowed to come over and visit because I
Speaker 2: wanted to see the stuff, and since I'm find just
Speaker 2: maybe I could do something that would help him. So
Speaker 2: I went over and we had experiences. Gigantic orbs flew
Speaker 2: over our heads, we had flash bowls popping in the trees,
Speaker 2: and up in the sky. We had weird like your
Speaker 2: purple aura in your background was covered with this purple haze.
Speaker 2: It looked like it was the surface of a pond.
Speaker 2: And then all of a sudden it disappeared, and Chris
Speaker 2: knew without looking they were gone and said we could
Speaker 2: go inside. So I concluded our visit. Then I went
Speaker 2: home and the hitchhiker followed me home, and over the
Speaker 2: next two weeks I had multiple hitchhiker style things, including
Speaker 2: seeing craft have apports of water that looks like somebody
Speaker 2: was squirting me in the face with a squirt gun
Speaker 2: right in the middle of my home. So I called
Speaker 2: Chris and told him I would help him. I did.
Speaker 2: I went to a UFO conference aiding Chris to give
Speaker 2: his first full PowerPoint presentation with his evidence, which I
Speaker 2: got to look through all of and we picked out
Speaker 2: what is and I helped him ride it and all
Speaker 2: this other stuff. So as a result we became close friends.
Speaker 2: But the end of the story is, like many who
Speaker 2: see Chris and are involved and grow into a trusting relationship,
Speaker 2: I had experiences not unlike what he has, not to
Speaker 2: the same degree and not identical. But the real thing is,
Speaker 2: before going to see Chris, I had three heart attacks,
Speaker 2: which I survived nicely with a full carinary bypass. So
Speaker 2: COVID hit. The university was going to close for over
Speaker 2: a year, and I didn't want to sit there and
Speaker 2: do nothing, so I retired, And after all the hoopla
Speaker 2: of me retiring, I moved away, and the experiences followed
Speaker 2: me to my new home. And but before I went,
Speaker 2: I had my cardiovascue. The surgeon do a scan of
Speaker 2: my heart and do all the tests you need. So
Speaker 2: he quickly determined after asking me what in the heck
Speaker 2: had I done? I told him just been living my
Speaker 2: life and taking the medicine you gave me an eden right,
Speaker 2: So he says, well, I cannot detect any damage to
Speaker 2: your heart. It has been percent output and you have
Speaker 2: the heart of what looks to me like a thirty
Speaker 2: year old And so hey, what can I say? Here
Speaker 2: we are it's been experiences NonStop since my mother passed away.
Speaker 2: Two years later, Lalla Bride offered to give me a reading.
Speaker 2: She gave me a reading, and that's when I absolutely
Speaker 2: knew that this stuff of people being mediums and other
Speaker 2: things for some people is absolutely real, totally real. I've
Speaker 2: stole the story plenty of times. I won't believe it,
Speaker 2: but anyway, it was totally real. And so she and
Speaker 2: I grew close after we started a business, and I
Speaker 2: moved to Maryland and we now live together where we
Speaker 2: are inundated with.
Speaker 1: Activity, right, And what I want to bring up is
Speaker 1: now I want to talk to you about Chris blood
Speaker 1: Sell and in your time with him, because we're gonna
Speaker 1: we're gonna have some very deep conversations today tonight. But
Speaker 1: I want to start with I mean, I've I've talked
Speaker 1: to Chris, you know, just on Facebook. I've been trying
Speaker 1: to get him on the show. I know he's got
Speaker 1: some contracts and stuff like that. He did agree that
Speaker 1: he would come on, it just it's all about timing,
Speaker 1: uh and and I know eventually I'll be able to
Speaker 1: sit down and talk with him. But what I want
Speaker 1: to talk about with you and your relationship with Chris
Speaker 1: is you went into this with this with what seems
Speaker 1: to be a technological kind of nuts and bolts mindset
Speaker 1: and came out of it with maybe a different perception
Speaker 1: of reality.
Speaker 2: That's that's extremely astutid you because I went as as
Speaker 2: a scientist and engineer and left as one of Chris
Speaker 2: Bludso's best friends and no longer acting like a scientist.
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to gather daither for him or anything like.
Speaker 2: He has plenty of weird people around him from government
Speaker 2: and other entities that are doing all that, including having
Speaker 2: I believe I don't know for a fact, but I
Speaker 2: believe given what happened that they bugged his home while
Speaker 2: I was there. They listened to me describe a detailed
Speaker 2: experiment that would prove to the government of his ability
Speaker 2: to interact with the entities, given he had shown me
Speaker 2: evidence that no one else had seen and he was
Speaker 2: not supposed to show because this person had a federal
Speaker 2: job as a security officer and didn't want to get out,
Speaker 2: and so they did the experiment. And I'll just describe
Speaker 2: it quickly. The guys go out in the field someplace
Speaker 2: unknown to Chris. He has no idea who they are.
Speaker 2: They have no idea who is the subject of the experiment.
Speaker 2: So the controllers of the experiment who are don't know
Speaker 2: either end. So it's a double blind experiment. They don't
Speaker 2: know either end. So the the one in the middle says, Okay,
Speaker 2: the people are set up, do your thing, and Chris
Speaker 2: asks the entity to find them and show up in
Speaker 2: front of their cameras, and they did within a few seconds.
Speaker 2: And after that all hell broke. Clues on the government
Speaker 2: wanting to know everything.
Speaker 1: About him, and it isn't that peculiar. So that's when
Speaker 1: because we hear about, you know, this guy from NASA
Speaker 1: showing up at Chris Yes, and Tim is suspected suspected
Speaker 1: to be the person or or Tyler Uh in Diana
Speaker 1: Pisulka's books. Now, no one can confirm that, aside from
Speaker 1: her and maybe a trusted few. But I think the
Speaker 1: community is starting to put the dots together what's happened,
Speaker 1: because if you look at what's happening with Chris. I
Speaker 1: mean five six hundred years ago, they would label him
Speaker 1: a saint.
Speaker 2: Okay, So let me explain to you where we are now.
Speaker 2: In the talk I did with him, were using his data.
Speaker 2: In twenty twenty, he showed pictures of Tim Taylor at
Speaker 2: his daughter Emily's graduation and with Chris at NASA and
Speaker 2: standing in the door where astronauts come out. So and
Speaker 2: Tim got to go in and sit in the astronauts
Speaker 2: conference room with Chris. So I don't think it's a
Speaker 2: secret anymore. Chris is just not gonna say Temp's name
Speaker 2: out loud. But I can tell you for a fact,
Speaker 2: Tim Taylor has been in evidence that Chris has displayed publicly.
Speaker 2: So where else do we want to go?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, final thing. I I don't know whether to
Speaker 2: take Tim Taylor seriously or not. I mean, I knew
Speaker 2: that he had a security clearance, and I knew it
Speaker 2: was high. And he has a bunch of city appearances
Speaker 2: that through the classified system where you can look up
Speaker 2: people see if they're okay for you to talk to,
Speaker 2: he had a bunch of clearances that I couldn't even see. Okay,
Speaker 2: So what this meant with me was he was highly
Speaker 2: cleared and had the ability to do stuff. So I
Speaker 2: found a piece of evidence when I was doing Chris's
Speaker 2: talk that it took me a couple of months to
Speaker 2: figure out what it meant. And here's here's the deal.
Speaker 2: It's a picture of an envelope with half an address
Speaker 2: on it, and on top of the envelope is laid
Speaker 2: a napkin. The napkin has the presidential seal on it
Speaker 2: and mark as from Camp David. It is illegal to
Speaker 2: copy that and put it on anything, so that was official.
Speaker 2: The omeloe displayed half of Chris Bledsoe's address.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: The inescapable conclusion is that Tim Taylor had taken Chris's
Speaker 2: stories and in an invitation by the only person who
Speaker 2: could when we had our last black president, invited him
Speaker 2: to Camp David. And uh, and Chris's story was told
Speaker 2: to the President of the United States.
Speaker 1: I mean that is monumental. So and and and we've
Speaker 1: even seen so did you see the episodes of that series?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I just dropped everything. Uh did you
Speaker 1: see the episodes they did with Chris on that series
Speaker 1: beyond Skinwalker Dge?
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, especially with the thing that was most interesting
Speaker 2: in me, of course, is the results of the E
Speaker 2: E E G they did on himself. He has an
Speaker 2: extremely unusual EG. Others may have seen this when doctor
Speaker 2: what's his name did it on Tyler Henry. Both Chris
Speaker 2: and Tyler Henry have exactly the same EG patterns when
Speaker 2: they're doing their paranormal or consciousness activity. So he had
Speaker 2: both sleeping, had a sleeping brain and a highly active
Speaker 2: brain at the same time. It's really weird.
Speaker 1: And yeah, they said, they said, and and if I'm
Speaker 1: being if I'm misquoting it, strike me down. But I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure they were saying that the way his delta
Speaker 1: waves are coming out, it was like he was a monk,
Speaker 1: a trained meditator. And but his brain was also highly
Speaker 1: active in another UH wave wave set. So and it
Speaker 1: was and it didn't and and I mean you see
Speaker 1: him on on camera literally point and then and and
Speaker 1: you know, I've I I know Brandon Fugel, uh you know,
Speaker 1: and some of the other teams. They a lot of
Speaker 1: footage from that show gets thrown onto the floor. People
Speaker 1: think they fake stuff. They don't they The editing company Prometheus,
Speaker 1: of course, is going to dramatize things It's a TV
Speaker 1: show at the end of the day, but the data
Speaker 1: sets that we're getting from it, I think are are
Speaker 1: are valuable.
Speaker 2: That is the contractual arrangement which I know about, is
Speaker 2: that they do the science, the other team gets to
Speaker 2: do videography and whatever, but they are not allowed to
Speaker 2: interfere with the science collection at all. And nobody at
Speaker 2: the ranks will lie for the TV.
Speaker 1: And that's so. And beyond Skinwalker, you have a trained
Speaker 1: CIA agent and Andy Bustamante, who I've come to really
Speaker 1: really admire and I want to get him on the show.
Speaker 1: But they were saying so they I was listening to
Speaker 1: a conversation with him and he was like, I mean,
Speaker 1: as soon as Chris pointed, they looked and there was
Speaker 1: just these orbs coming through the trees. And apparently Chris
Speaker 1: has done this with multiple people. We're talking like people
Speaker 1: like Jim Semivan, who I mean, Jim arguably is one
Speaker 1: of the first dominoes, you know, that fall that lead
Speaker 1: to the New York Times article in itself, And just
Speaker 1: for the.
Speaker 2: Only reason I got to go to Chris's is Jim
Speaker 2: Simmivan told Chris to allow me.
Speaker 1: Right, So Jim is a very important character in all this.
Speaker 1: So what is your relationship with Jim Semivan?
Speaker 2: So I did operations pretty much all over the world
Speaker 2: for about a decade, and Jim Simmivan was a senior
Speaker 2: leadership in the Clandestine Service.
Speaker 1: So that is that's where you guys cross paths.
Speaker 2: Well, I didn't know him until later. I mean, we
Speaker 2: can email exchange each other now, but I did not
Speaker 2: know him personally. Playback then, I was junior to be
Speaker 2: brother and elbows with him.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, gotcha, gotcha? Gotcha. So so with Chris, like
Speaker 1: I said, it seems like you come out like most
Speaker 1: people do with saying I think I have reality wrong,
Speaker 1: like I think I have it wrong, like fundamentally, because
Speaker 1: I mean, and I've been talking about this a lot lately,
Speaker 1: but you know, we're we're raised in a world and
Speaker 1: especially scientists right that I mean this, I can see,
Speaker 1: feel touch, I mean, hell, I could go a step
Speaker 1: further and taste this. If I really wanted to be gross,
Speaker 1: I could smell it. You know, this is real. It's
Speaker 1: black and white. It's right in front of me. Can't
Speaker 1: be mistaken, right, but right exactly, we're taught that the
Speaker 1: world is black and white. But it's not till later
Speaker 1: we realize that there's so much great.
Speaker 2: So let me tell you how as a scientist I
Speaker 2: know this. Donald Hoffmann is a cognitive scientist at the
Speaker 2: University of California, and.
Speaker 4: He has proven a mathematical theorem resulting from application of
Speaker 4: the game theory of evolution to show that entities that
Speaker 4: perceive actual reality.
Speaker 2: Are not selected by evolution. What evolution selects is the
Speaker 2: game function increase that preserves your longevity and allows you
Speaker 2: to breathe. So the facts are our per sexual system
Speaker 2: integrated to wherever our consciousness reside, does not perceive reality. Right,
Speaker 2: we live in an illusion, So.
Speaker 1: And the the the implications does it and and and
Speaker 1: people ask all the time are we living in a simulation?
Speaker 1: You know this, that, that and the other thing? Well
Speaker 1: does it matter?
Speaker 2: So it's living in an illusion just means you don't
Speaker 2: see everything you might see to know what the actual
Speaker 2: reality is living in a simulation. Yes, it's really hard
Speaker 2: to get there if you believe in nothing.
Speaker 5: So if you because someone something, some entity capable of
Speaker 5: computation and manipulation, has to be running.
Speaker 1: The simulation, right, the observer of the the You know,
Speaker 1: because we talk about the double slid experiment, for instance,
Speaker 1: I mean argue about the.
Speaker 2: Universal consciousness, and I do that because Donald Hoffman does.
Speaker 1: Right, So do you think that that? Okay? So we
Speaker 1: talk about how there may not be so a tree
Speaker 1: falls in the woods, does anyone hear it? Well? Some
Speaker 1: people say the tree doesn't exist unless an observer is there.
Speaker 1: Are you trying to say that there is an ultimate
Speaker 1: observer that keeps that that that's why we reality is
Speaker 1: reality the.
Speaker 2: Way we're wildly entangled with other consciousnesses as they are
Speaker 2: instantiated in our space time. So together we communally make
Speaker 2: what we observe as our space time reality.
Speaker 1: So yes, yes, yes, so okay, and now could that
Speaker 1: be manipulated?
Speaker 2: Absolutely? So look, Donald Hoppin is not yet proven everything yet,
Speaker 2: but he has a really interesting view that universal consciousness,
Speaker 2: which is the basis for everything everything we see and
Speaker 2: around us, comes from the universal consciouness like God on
Speaker 2: high making it okay, So we are distillations through a
Speaker 2: very narrow funnel of everything that's going on in the
Speaker 2: universal consciousness and our perception call it our screen with
Speaker 2: our icons and all that stuff on. It is how
Speaker 2: we perceive spacetime. And it's projecting the signal onto our
Speaker 2: screen for us to view. But it is a very
Speaker 2: restricted pipe of information from the universal consciousness, which is everything,
Speaker 2: down to our little piece of it, which is us,
Speaker 2: our ego. And so what this and from that he
Speaker 2: can derive? He calls them decorated permutations. He has dynamics.
Speaker 2: He has a mathematical model alls of us pretty wild
Speaker 2: and hard, hard to read if you don't have a
Speaker 2: lot of training. Just say, he's got a model. He's
Speaker 2: trying to make fit and predict, get physics out of
Speaker 2: the model. Okay, So, uh and what he shows is
Speaker 2: given that that's reality, the universal consciousness is required to
Speaker 2: make it all function.
Speaker 1: And so would that make because I've had this talk
Speaker 1: with other folks and uh so, the same way that
Speaker 1: you can take a radio, right, you can smash up
Speaker 1: the radio of the bat, You can throw it off
Speaker 1: a building and it smashes to pieces. Right, but the
Speaker 1: signal is still coming through right our bodies or our
Speaker 1: brain could it be a is it a receiver? And yes,
Speaker 1: the body does die eventually, but the signal, I mean
Speaker 1: it doesn't, it doesn't go away, It just returns.
Speaker 2: That is my personal belief and so a lot of
Speaker 2: what I do now is try to catch some science
Speaker 2: of that showing that's that's actually what's going.
Speaker 1: On, which would make it would it would make so
Speaker 1: much sense.
Speaker 2: I mean, everybody, everybody should read Dean Raiden's work. It's
Speaker 2: approachably as over one hundred papers in peer review journals
Speaker 2: about how consciousness is real and how we can affect
Speaker 2: physics with our consciousness and so forth and so including
Speaker 2: down to particle physics. So that's Dean Raiden, and then
Speaker 2: Ingo Swan wrote about twenty something books, and everybody who
Speaker 2: cares about consciousness should go read them.
Speaker 1: Why won't Why won't science? Being someone of science, why
Speaker 1: won't science tackle consciousness? They won't even they won't breathe
Speaker 1: the word answer.
Speaker 2: I have an answer. It's really straightforward, the same reason
Speaker 2: I don't attack UFOs and other things. I'm a scientist.
Speaker 2: I'm at a university or research institution. I want a
Speaker 2: lad I want people to work in my lab. I
Speaker 2: want students. They cost money. If I can't get somebody
Speaker 2: to fund my lab and my work, it ain't gonna happen.
Speaker 2: Because I needed to survive. There are no funding sources
Speaker 2: to investigate UFOs in a serious way, or a funding
Speaker 2: source to investigate consciousness in a serious way. Though that
Speaker 2: is slowly.
Speaker 1: Changing slowly, And I titled this show that we're at
Speaker 1: a pivotal moment in human history. And we talked a
Speaker 1: little bit before the cameras started rolling. But would you
Speaker 1: is it safe to agree or is it safe to
Speaker 1: say that you agree that right now? I mean I
Speaker 1: know a lot of generations, and yeah, I mean you're
Speaker 1: older than I am. You've been through more, You've seen more, right,
Speaker 1: just I mean by law of averages, right, you've seen more.
Speaker 1: You've been around longer, at least as far as we know. Right,
Speaker 1: my consciousness may be ancient. Who knows. I don't know.
Speaker 1: But we seem to be at a point like no
Speaker 1: other in history. And in the next I don't know,
Speaker 1: six months, year, I don't know. I can't really put
Speaker 1: a label on it. But we are going to choose
Speaker 1: our future and whether we have a sequel or not.
Speaker 1: If you want to kind of simplify it, how would
Speaker 1: you say the current geopolitical sphere is very scary, It's
Speaker 1: very frightening.
Speaker 2: Look, I lived then at the edge the pointy tip
Speaker 2: of the sword of the geopolitical sphere for years and
Speaker 2: doing stuff overseas that was weird, okay, So and so
Speaker 2: my senses are attuned to the leaky signals coming out
Speaker 2: of institutions I used to work for and support, and
Speaker 2: I remember how they would formulate their expression of what
Speaker 2: was going on for the public when I was inside
Speaker 2: and knew everything that was going on. And I hear
Speaker 2: that going on now, and I'm worried, right, I'm very
Speaker 2: worried that we are completely and totally ignoring what will
Speaker 2: be two billion refugees caused by climate change in the
Speaker 2: next decade and we're sitting here ignoring it. I put
Speaker 2: gasoline in my car. I'm going to drive a thousand
Speaker 2: miles this weekend. And it's just because what alternative do
Speaker 2: I have. I'm not buying a piece of jump Tesla.
Speaker 1: Right right, right, and and and and I mean we
Speaker 1: could go down that rabbit hole. But electric cars, uh,
Speaker 1: I mean they're.
Speaker 2: Not They're not ready for prime time, though they are getting.
Speaker 1: There, right, Yeah, it's it's but in the minerals involved,
Speaker 1: you know how we're getting them. It's a little dicey,
Speaker 1: So you know, it's it's it's it's also got to
Speaker 1: be cleaned up. But uh, it's it's hopefully it's getting
Speaker 1: there and hopefully we'll figure something out.
Speaker 2: Uh. Well, the United States after COVID decided to clean
Speaker 2: up its act on supply change, and it's finding alternative
Speaker 2: sources with our friends, even if it costs a little more,
Speaker 2: so we can avoid having to buy stuff from people
Speaker 2: we don't like.
Speaker 1: Well, how in a society, now, what if we were
Speaker 1: to find out that something such as a zero point
Speaker 1: energy has been hidden from us? And I personally have
Speaker 1: gone through winters with my family when I was younger
Speaker 1: where we had no money for pro paane, so what
Speaker 1: we were doing is boiled water. We would uh uh
Speaker 1: my mom would like turn the stove on and open
Speaker 1: the door to heat the house. I mean, if we
Speaker 1: went through all that and and and I don't even
Speaker 1: have it, like my childhood you know, was rough, but
Speaker 1: there's people who have it much rougher. And if we
Speaker 1: find out one day that all these patents that have
Speaker 1: been seized by the Patent Office about that have to
Speaker 1: do with alternative energy devices, I mean we're talking civil
Speaker 1: war kind of attitude, like like actual people, people's lives
Speaker 1: and livelihood, you know, So I mean, what UFOs they
Speaker 1: have to be using if we have them, like David
Speaker 1: Grush says, if all the evidence points to that we
Speaker 1: have some sort of crash retrieval program, if we have
Speaker 1: harnessed that energy, I mean, the implications of hiding it
Speaker 1: are they would spark a revolutionary war.
Speaker 2: Yep. So I feel any of those who know that
Speaker 2: I'm Bob McGuire underscore N four h Y on X Twitter.
Speaker 2: You can see that. In the last week I wrote
Speaker 2: a very very long essay on what would happen if
Speaker 2: suddenly we got free energy available to everyone with no
Speaker 2: one in the way. And it's an analysis of all
Speaker 2: the things that would be impacted, in positive and negative.
Speaker 2: It's not complete, but it's certainly a good start. And
Speaker 2: here's what I think are parts of the things that
Speaker 2: are in the way. Let's suppose suddenly we had the
Speaker 2: ability to give you, Tyler, a little cube that power
Speaker 2: everything you want on demand. Right, You're no longer buying
Speaker 2: power from company X, the specific Pacific Electric or whatever.
Speaker 2: And I'm no longer buying from a BG BG and
Speaker 2: E okay, so Baltimore Gas Electric. So they're gonna go
Speaker 2: broke gone. The oil companies gonna go broke because they're
Speaker 2: no longer needed except for lubrication and other things. And
Speaker 2: it'll take time for all that to evolve. But the this,
Speaker 2: this is truly destructive advancement and technology in that so
Speaker 2: much will go over. It won't be fun but fun,
Speaker 2: and we better figure out how to manufactory and distribute
Speaker 2: it quickly so that people can switch over quickly, so
Speaker 2: that the individual people can get on and get going
Speaker 2: with their lives, even though all these other energy sources
Speaker 2: will be failing if such a thing were possible. But
Speaker 2: just the implications of what we have seen and observed
Speaker 2: from credible observers are that an unbelievable source of energy
Speaker 2: is available to produce what we observe.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the proof of concept is every every credible UFO sighting.
Speaker 1: That's the proof of concept right there. For because you
Speaker 1: know the accounts, they never say that, you know, these
Speaker 1: things are running on steam power or or gasoline or
Speaker 1: making you know noises and combustion, you know, combustion engine. No,
Speaker 1: it's always the skipped across the sky or you know
Speaker 1: it looked like it was jumping through dimensions, skipping across
Speaker 1: the sky. You know, that's just what.
Speaker 2: The thing that people should realize is the people that's
Speaker 2: set up in the late nineteen forties the UFO secrets
Speaker 2: after the crash at Roswell. Are these same people that
Speaker 2: set up the secrets for the Manhattan Project, right and
Speaker 2: now the worst of the secrets, like this energy source
Speaker 2: are their energy required to propel the craft, et cetera.
Speaker 2: Are classified at birth under the terms of the Atomic
Speaker 2: Energy Act.
Speaker 1: Because anything that produces a radio radioactive signature, even though
Speaker 1: even if it's not from a source that of our
Speaker 1: own making or you know whatever, that falls under that
Speaker 1: classification system from the DOE, which is it maybe you
Speaker 1: know better, but does that fall under SAD. I feel
Speaker 1: like that's a different set of classifications and.
Speaker 2: The Atomic Energy Act, So.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's mainly without general oversight.
Speaker 2: Well they are they are allowed to have that stuff
Speaker 2: classified and no one can demand to look at it
Speaker 2: with f O I A. And it is secured from
Speaker 2: oversight from Congress.
Speaker 1: Right, And there lies our problem is the people that
Speaker 1: we represent, that we have that we elect to represent
Speaker 1: us in government are are are They're trying their best,
Speaker 1: but I mean, look at things like the and what
Speaker 1: I wanted to bring up look at things like the
Speaker 1: Wilson Davis memo. Right. The Wilson Davis memo has generated
Speaker 1: significant discussion in the UFO community. Uh, and I mean
Speaker 1: you're looking at uh Rear Admiral Wilson in the E,
Speaker 1: G and G parking lot, right, saying that he can't
Speaker 1: get access to this information, this program, that and and
Speaker 1: and and he has a need to know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he's he's not on the bigot list, right.
Speaker 1: But you're not on the sir, You're not on the list.
Speaker 1: You could go to the president, you don't even go
Speaker 1: to every whoever the fuck you want, but you're not
Speaker 1: Gassie what's behind the door, because you're just you don't
Speaker 1: have a need to know.
Speaker 2: So thet then he got his career threatened.
Speaker 1: Right, and and so the Wilson Davis memo and you
Speaker 1: have a kind of an interesting connection.
Speaker 2: So my initial connection is it's really really so weird.
Speaker 2: This is one sacredous the after another. So I, as
Speaker 2: I told you before, I got interested in UFOs from
Speaker 2: seeing stuff inside. I knew that Richard Dolan wrote about
Speaker 2: UFOs on the National Security State, so I figured that
Speaker 2: was the easiest to read stuff. And the easiest way
Speaker 2: to figure out stuff. So I went there and he
Speaker 2: I became trusted and trust a relationship with him, so
Speaker 2: I knew he was about to out the Wilson Davis document.
Speaker 2: It came through a securitis route, but he got it
Speaker 2: and he decided to blast it all over the world
Speaker 2: and told everybody about it. And of course then there's
Speaker 2: years of denying its reality and so forth and so on,
Speaker 2: and so I would retire, and I moved to my
Speaker 2: retirement home, and during that move, I'm going through craft
Speaker 2: figuring out what to throw out, and I found my
Speaker 2: daily journal from a time before all of this happened,
Speaker 2: in which I made a note about a friend of
Speaker 2: mine who was worked at the National Reconnaissance Office who
Speaker 2: was there while I was attending a conference and asked
Speaker 2: me to come up and visit him in his office.
Speaker 2: And he showed me a letter he got from Wilson
Speaker 2: complaining about his problem, and did this guy have any
Speaker 2: way to help him gain access to the information? And
Speaker 2: I went, WHOA. Wilson just retired as the director of
Speaker 2: the Defense Intelligence Agency, and I was there for amazing
Speaker 2: conference which is run by the Defense Intelligence Agency. So
Speaker 2: I went WHOA Okay, look friend, let me tell you
Speaker 2: what you do. Here's what you do. You don't acknowledge
Speaker 2: that you even received this. You burn it as fast
Speaker 2: as you can. It's not mark classified. Just burn it,
Speaker 2: put it in the burn bank. And I let But
Speaker 2: I made a note in my journal and so I
Speaker 2: completely forgot about it. And then I found this note
Speaker 2: in my journal when I was deciding whether or not
Speaker 2: to throw it away, and there you go. So that
Speaker 2: was weird. And then Golan comes out with this. I
Speaker 2: go to a conference and Huntsville for the SCU and
Speaker 2: I'm sitting at the table with Linda Thompson, who is
Speaker 2: a well known researcher in UFOs, and a person asked
Speaker 2: John Alexander about the Wilson Davis notes. And Eric David
Speaker 2: is sitting in the back of the room. John Alexander says,
Speaker 2: why are you asking me this? Back there is the
Speaker 2: author of the Wilson Davis notes. Go ask him. And
Speaker 2: so he was totally out of all over the world
Speaker 2: as the author of the Wilson Davis notes. And now
Speaker 2: Eric himself has claimed ownership.
Speaker 1: So with those notes, do you I'm just gonna ask,
Speaker 1: are are the notes genuine belief.
Speaker 2: I believe it. I'm one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: Right, and and and I mean even in the notes,
Speaker 1: I think Admiral Wilson says that you know, if this
Speaker 1: comes out, I'm not I'm going to deny it. And yes,
Speaker 1: even I believe, I believe that he's been reached out to,
Speaker 1: like by Arrow or whoever, and he basically told them, like,
Speaker 1: you can bring me in a skiff, you can ask me.
Speaker 1: I am going to tell you the same thing that
Speaker 1: I've told everybody, no compment, like.
Speaker 2: If if he has sinned to sign some kind of
Speaker 2: non disclosure agreement for this black program. In it in
Speaker 2: the non disclosure agreement are requirements. The requirements are if
Speaker 2: you are asked about this program by intent, reasoning for it,
Speaker 2: what you're working on or the sponsor, you are required
Speaker 2: to tell the following lie, right, and he signed the.
Speaker 1: Document and and that's and so being a person like yourself,
Speaker 1: do you think that's patriotic or do you think that
Speaker 1: that is hindering a serious effort Because there is a line,
Speaker 1: and the UFO community they don't really know when it's
Speaker 1: always instant gratification that I've been dealing with this, and
Speaker 1: I don't want to. I don't want to bring this
Speaker 1: up in a bad way, but I've been dealing with
Speaker 1: this one witness who has been seeing orbs, and honestly,
Speaker 1: his story is remarkable. And he kept asking me, can
Speaker 1: you put me in touch with Chris Bludsoe? Can you
Speaker 1: put me in touch with Chris Bloodsoe? And I'm like, dude,
Speaker 1: I can't even I can't get Chris's attention for longer
Speaker 1: than two minutes myself, Like I can't. He just he
Speaker 1: thinks that he it was very it sucked because he
Speaker 1: after I told him all that, I was like, listen,
Speaker 1: I'm having on congressman, I'm having on Bob McGuire. You know,
Speaker 1: I can do my best to get your word out,
Speaker 1: but like I that it doesn't work the way you
Speaker 1: think it works. And now he labeled me compromised. He
Speaker 1: thinks I'm working for the government.
Speaker 2: You know they throw her out. Well, I've listened to
Speaker 2: all this crap for a decade. Now I just don't
Speaker 2: pay any attention to it. And there's there's a reason.
Speaker 2: There's a reason. Maybe some of the individuals you've named here,
Speaker 2: uh answer every text message and every time I call
Speaker 2: because I don't do this bullshit.
Speaker 1: Right right, and and that and that. Honestly, that's what
Speaker 1: I love about you, man, and I love that I've
Speaker 1: been able to cultivate.
Speaker 2: Let me thank my girlfriend for giving us a supersticker.
Speaker 1: Oh did she thank you? Honey? I would have. I
Speaker 1: was gonna say, you know, if she wanted to hop on,
Speaker 1: she was more than welcome. But so with the and
Speaker 1: thank you. Really, I really do appreciate any uh, because
Speaker 1: we're working on a film right now. Uh cursed echoes
Speaker 1: for everybody that is interested in the paranormal. I'm from Massachusetts,
Speaker 1: so we've connected a story about a haunted road in
Speaker 1: bill Ricca to the Salem or I was gonna say,
Speaker 1: to the Salem, Massachusetts, to the Salem witch childs. And
Speaker 1: then from there we were sent to the Bridgewater Triangle.
Speaker 1: Now it kind of you know, I'll just do whatever,
Speaker 1: a little plug there. But what are your takes on hotspots?
Speaker 2: A lot they're re is. So for whatever reason, she
Speaker 2: and I seem to be living on a hotspot, there's
Speaker 2: a lot of activity. But I think it's cause we're
Speaker 2: close to Aberta improving grounds and then Sedona, Arizona. She
Speaker 2: will o Kurts that place is loaded with activity. Just
Speaker 2: people should go and follow Melinda Leslie and look at
Speaker 2: what she does, and if they get the opportunity, go
Speaker 2: on one of her UFO tours. And here's what I
Speaker 2: can guarantee you. You will see craft and orbs and
Speaker 2: or orbs in the sky, or you'll get your money back.
Speaker 2: I just waited and she she's she's living.
Speaker 1: Well right I I. I had her on the show
Speaker 1: and she invited me out there. She said, bring your camera,
Speaker 1: bring all your camera gear. We'll make it a little
Speaker 1: short documentary if you want. And I was like, like,
Speaker 1: you're that.
Speaker 2: But I gotta tell you what that's that's the great
Speaker 2: offer because right now she is been filming with I'm
Speaker 2: gonna I'm gonna park he did Accidental Truth.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 6: Ron James and Ron James are filming right now on
Speaker 6: the edge of Bradshaw Ranch over the mountain into this
Speaker 6: place where droans won't fly because they are forbidden by
Speaker 6: their firmware, by the by the United States government for
Speaker 6: flying there.
Speaker 2: So they're filming military aircraft and UFOs working together, going
Speaker 2: in and out of the ground. So Melinda did some
Speaker 2: research and right on the edge of that property, which
Speaker 2: is clearly has a note town enforced by firmware.
Speaker 1: There's a bit which which, by the way, for anyone
Speaker 1: listening this happens or watching this happens like it's to
Speaker 1: prevent people from flying drones into like airports or or Air.
Speaker 2: Force bass in Virginia that have not had a drone
Speaker 2: fly over them. Okay, let me finish the story. Yes,
Speaker 2: Melinda is a researcher. So she researched because there was
Speaker 2: a connection between Bradshaw and a seaman factory on the
Speaker 2: other side of the mountain. I won't go into but
Speaker 2: go look at beyond Skimwalker Ranch and you'll figure it out.
Speaker 2: But she did a background search on the property that
Speaker 2: that seaman factory is on, and by Lockheed Martin.
Speaker 1: Yep, yep, yep. And for anyone who doesn't know or
Speaker 1: is been living under a rock, Lackey Martin is a company.
Speaker 1: It's an aerospace company that has long had dealings with
Speaker 1: the military and been a very very highly scrutinized company.
Speaker 1: Uh from the UFO community. Uh, since most people point
Speaker 1: the finger saying that they have they're involved in the
Speaker 1: cover up.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And and Eisenhower, I mean, you know, we see we see,
Speaker 1: we see it start to happen, right, the cover up
Speaker 1: start to happen. I mean right after Roswell. Right months later,
Speaker 1: the National Security Act, the sweeping National Scurity Act happens.
Speaker 2: And that's after the over blight of the Capitol.
Speaker 1: Exactly exactly, So people forget. People always say that notion like, whoa,
Speaker 1: why don't they just land on the White House lawn? Well,
Speaker 1: they practically fucking did.
Speaker 2: And Truman blew a gasket.
Speaker 1: Yes, so would you would you be willing to tell
Speaker 1: that story?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Well, so for two weekends in a row, multiple
Speaker 2: UFOs fly right over the Washington, Miama close to the
Speaker 2: White House and then over the Capitol, and the United
Speaker 2: States Air Force, through multiple air bases, including the ones
Speaker 2: that did not have a drone fly over them, flew
Speaker 2: interceptors up there to find the things, and they the
Speaker 2: things ran away from them like they were nats. Okay. So,
Speaker 2: uh Truman almost immediately after that sits down with help
Speaker 2: from Edward Condon, Bannerver Bush. You get the idea, right,
Speaker 2: the National Security Rules and uh so they author of
Speaker 2: the National Security Act. They found Central Intelligence Agency from
Speaker 2: the remnants of the US from World War Two and
Speaker 2: They formed shortly after that in fifty four, the National
Speaker 2: Security Agency, whose job is to read other people's messages
Speaker 2: and to collect signals and to encrypt our stuff so
Speaker 2: other people can't read it, and on and on. They
Speaker 2: built the National Security Community during the Truman administration using
Speaker 2: the National Security Act and the Etomic Energy Act and
Speaker 2: so forth. Truman was paranoid and he was very secretive.
Speaker 1: And I actually just did a video. It's on YouTube.
Speaker 1: I actually, I'll put it like a little thing right here.
Speaker 1: I did a video about what if Truman used Roswell
Speaker 1: as a political stage or not a political stage, but he,
Speaker 1: instead of covering it up, announced that we are not
Speaker 1: alone to try to bring humanity together and what the
Speaker 1: implications of that could look like. So uh, it was
Speaker 1: a fun video to do, but in fact, in our reality,
Speaker 1: that is not what is what. That's not what happened.
Speaker 1: It was the exact opposite. They they tightened everything down,
Speaker 1: and like you said, I mean Condon himself, who wrote
Speaker 1: the Condon Report. There's there's a bunch of scandal there
Speaker 1: when you look at it there because he had been
Speaker 1: stripped of his c clearance right around the same time
Speaker 1: as Oppenheimer, yet and and he had wrote, uh, the
Speaker 1: the Atomic Secrecy Act right reinstated to come and then
Speaker 1: right the the the UFO stuff like red flag or no, so.
Speaker 2: It's a red flag. And and Lewis what's his name
Speaker 2: Strauss he hated Oppenheimer, and he and Condon the others
Speaker 2: who did want the Oppenheimer to get all the credit
Speaker 2: for doing the UFO staff decided to get him out
Speaker 2: of there and blocking forever having access.
Speaker 1: You know, absolutely, so that that kangaroo court, you know,
Speaker 1: was it really about nuclear technology or was it about
Speaker 1: something else?
Speaker 2: He afforded He afforded him the opportunity by covering up
Speaker 2: a friend of his and his brother's affiliations during the
Speaker 2: time of the craziness the red.
Speaker 1: Scare right times right. And you know someone who I
Speaker 1: think is doing really great work right now is maybe
Speaker 1: you know Jesse Michaels. Yeah, he's doing great, He's doing
Speaker 1: amazing work. Uh and and he's been really like helping
Speaker 1: me and myself connect dots. And do you think so
Speaker 1: do you think Oppenheimer knew more about UFOs than than
Speaker 1: than we know.
Speaker 2: I think Oppenheimer set up the original scientific work on
Speaker 2: the UFO under the atomic secrecy hat structure, just like
Speaker 2: the Manhattan Project. And then he ran a foul politically
Speaker 2: of a bunch of people and they wanted him out
Speaker 2: and they took it over right.
Speaker 1: So and and that would because we've again we talked
Speaker 1: about the beginning of show how the Atomic Act, this
Speaker 1: Atomic Secrecy Act, it didn't just cover nuclear like our
Speaker 1: own nuclear technology. It covered anything with a radioactive signature.
Speaker 1: So any so we talk about Randallsham, we talk about
Speaker 1: other Socorro New Mexico. We taught Corona, New Mexico, all
Speaker 1: these things. I mean, if they gave off any radiation whatsoever,
Speaker 1: which tends to be the case, they automatically are are
Speaker 1: are classified and and sectored uh and sequestered away.
Speaker 2: So so it is how put off is given a
Speaker 2: talk about what it would look like around a warp
Speaker 2: bubble around the UFO and so anything has black body radiation,
Speaker 2: some of it is infrared and other things. But after
Speaker 2: it goes through the time distortions are in the gravitational
Speaker 2: field around a craft through a warp bubble, it will
Speaker 2: have Doppler shifted much higher frequency until it is ugly radiation.
Speaker 2: That's all we need to classify it under the Atomic
Speaker 2: Energy Act.
Speaker 1: My god, it's so easy. It's just so it's so
Speaker 1: easy to cover everything up. So that's and that's what
Speaker 1: people don't realize is people don't think that the military
Speaker 1: and the US government can keep secrets. But they can.
Speaker 1: They can and arguably, like this is the biggest story
Speaker 1: never told.
Speaker 2: Right, Well, if the recent stories are right, there's only
Speaker 2: eight hundred people on the entire Bigot list, and that
Speaker 2: may be exaggerated because it's probably gotten smaller. Probably, Yeah, right,
Speaker 2: people know the secrets.
Speaker 1: I have no doubt in my mind. This came up
Speaker 1: in the last podcast I did with Samuel Chong. But
Speaker 1: he thinks that those of those eight hundred people that
Speaker 1: do know that it is a global operation. No borders,
Speaker 1: there's no Russian, Chinese. I mean, yes, they have nationality,
Speaker 1: but this group of people transcend government and society law
Speaker 1: in general. They they don't they don't have to adhere
Speaker 1: to the laws that you and I adhere to. They
Speaker 1: are above the law in most cases.
Speaker 2: I don't know how much people believe in Richard Dodes,
Speaker 2: but Richard Doli has said Richard Dodi has said that
Speaker 2: for years and years, we and the Russians have worked
Speaker 2: together and exchanged information at the scientific level. All these things.
Speaker 2: We have gone to their places and they have come
Speaker 2: to ours.
Speaker 1: Because and it would make sense if I was if
Speaker 1: I was a superpower and okay, okay, okay, let's break
Speaker 1: it down even further. If I was Company A and
Speaker 1: Company B was across the street, right, and we were competitors,
Speaker 1: but there was something that was interfering with Maybe this
Speaker 1: is a bad I think I did a bad analogy here,
Speaker 1: So let's just keep it with countries. But if I
Speaker 1: was the US and I had nuclear weapons, and I
Speaker 1: was Russia and you also have new and we can
Speaker 1: end the world together with us simple miscalculation, I'd want
Speaker 1: to get ahead of that problem and say, hey, these UFOs,
Speaker 1: are you seeing them too? Because we don't want to
Speaker 1: think it's each other and blow the world up.
Speaker 2: Well, you should know then that the treaty that Nixon
Speaker 2: and Branshing have signed from the start treaty his garmtroduction
Speaker 2: talks their first treaty has the UFO clause in it
Speaker 2: and establishes the red the hot Hotlire hotline.
Speaker 1: So that would get them on the phone. And so
Speaker 1: because there's been instances. I just, for instance, had Robert
Speaker 1: Sallas on the show. Now a lot of people, you know,
Speaker 1: they have criticisms of him. Some you know, it's it's
Speaker 1: the UFO community, So I think everyone has one side
Speaker 1: and the other, right.
Speaker 2: I just ignore all that.
Speaker 1: Yes, he's fucking telling the truth. Guys. Uh, there's no
Speaker 1: doubt in my mind. And I I had to go
Speaker 1: through stages of interviews with his wife just to get
Speaker 1: him to talk to me, because his wife is so
Speaker 1: sick of people, uh playing gotcha, getting them on our
Speaker 1: show and then trying to back them into a corner.
Speaker 1: And I think that is such a it's such a
Speaker 1: if you if you're a podcast and you do stuff
Speaker 1: like that, walk the doors that way, walk out, because
Speaker 1: if that's if you're like the Steve streaming Stephen Green streets,
Speaker 1: it just just please leave us alone, like we just
Speaker 1: we're better off. Yeah, that's a good man, And it's
Speaker 1: it's really like I I would be hard pressed to
Speaker 1: say that we know the government has infiltrated UFO groups
Speaker 1: in the past to kind of sew disinformation. Right, So
Speaker 1: when someone like David Grush comes out, for instance, a
Speaker 1: very highly decorated beyond measurable incredibility when he comes out
Speaker 1: and says these ground breaking things in front of Congress
Speaker 1: under oath, sitting next to two of the bravest people
Speaker 1: to be able to sit next to him, you know,
Speaker 1: Commander Fravor. You know arguably that guy, that guy is
Speaker 1: Top Gun Maverick. You know that he is Tom Cruise
Speaker 1: from Top Gun Maverick. And then Ryan Graves, who's been
Speaker 1: you know, he was in the military. His crew, he
Speaker 1: didn't see them, but they were seeing them on radar.
Speaker 1: His crew absolutely dealt with these things on a daily basis.
Speaker 1: He's become a huge advocate for public safety and commercial
Speaker 1: airline safety, uh military airline safety. So when they sat
Speaker 1: there and they gave those powerful statements under oath, more
Speaker 1: people were watching the Johnny Depth trial. That's a joke.
Speaker 1: That's kind of that's a joke. Are you kidding me?
Speaker 2: I think, I think I think people are living in
Speaker 2: Okay nurses splits. They don't understand what's at stake, They
Speaker 2: don't understand the implications. They don't understand how much our
Speaker 2: world can change. What is what appears to me to
Speaker 2: be hidden is technology that freezes everyone from any form
Speaker 2: of want except the love of someone.
Speaker 1: Right, that's the only thing that can't be taken. It
Speaker 1: transcends both time space, it's, it's, it's and that's my
Speaker 1: I know we're jumping into like the wu right now,
Speaker 1: but there's something about like the ancient cultures and love.
Speaker 1: It's the ultimate tool against evil. And and I know
Speaker 1: that sounds weird, but some things have happened lately to
Speaker 1: show me that it is true. It is, it is
Speaker 1: absolutely true. So what we have to do is we
Speaker 1: have to stop falling into these these these social algorithms
Speaker 1: that are fed to us on our phone. Right, people
Speaker 1: aren't getting the news anymore, Bob, They're.
Speaker 2: Getting related by algorithms that that forced dopamine release. So
Speaker 2: you're adopted, abducted, yea.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Yeah he's got that's the Slider'
Speaker 1: twenty and be like yeah, so no, thank you so much.
Speaker 1: And actually, you know what, you know, maybe we can
Speaker 1: have her on UH in a future episode. I would
Speaker 1: love to do that, because I would love I want
Speaker 1: to talk to a medium, because I when I was
Speaker 1: in Salem and I was interviewing the witches self proclaimed,
Speaker 1: I'm not calling these women witches, they're self proclaimed, which is,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm very lucky I got to do my
Speaker 1: interviews in Salem. The backdrop is the Witch's Memorial where
Speaker 1: everyone go. That's where you go if you go to Salem,
Speaker 1: Like that's that's the thing everyone wants to see, is
Speaker 1: the gravestones. And like that's the backdrop of all my interviews.
Speaker 1: I got really lucky, you know. And so I'm interviewing
Speaker 1: these witches and mediums and all these people, and they
Speaker 1: keep telling, they kept telling me, and my girlfriend was there.
Speaker 1: Some of it's on camera that a title wave is coming,
Speaker 1: a title wave is coming. And when I asked for clarification,
Speaker 1: the medium said, it's not like an actual title wave,
Speaker 1: but it's a title wave of information. It's it's and
Speaker 1: she wouldn't go further because she didn't want to speculate,
Speaker 1: And anything further than that she would have been speculating
Speaker 1: and she didn't want to And you know what that
Speaker 1: that that set her up, in my eyes, is like okay,
Speaker 1: like this lady doesn't want to speculate what that could mean.
Speaker 1: She doesn't want to get it wrong, she doesn't want
Speaker 1: to make predictions. She doesn't want to go past what
Speaker 1: she's seeing. So it gave her more credibility than she'd
Speaker 1: already earned. People, What what do you think about that?
Speaker 1: Do you think we're on that precipice, Like we've talked about,
Speaker 1: we're at change in human history?
Speaker 2: Just just look and look around you that we are.
Speaker 2: We have several different things teetering on a ledge. One
Speaker 2: wrong move in the world is going to push a
Speaker 2: bunch of things over the edge, and we're gonna have
Speaker 2: to deal with it. I also don't want to speculate
Speaker 2: because I don't want to make people fearful when I
Speaker 2: don't have firsthand knowledge. And literally I'm not on the
Speaker 2: inside anymore. But I gotta tell you what I'm Literally,
Speaker 2: I have friends that live near military bases. They are
Speaker 2: seeing activity that you can't believe. Lala and I live
Speaker 2: near Aberdeen Proving Grounds. They are blowing up the earth
Speaker 2: over their tests and stuff. I mean, it's amazing. It's
Speaker 2: house rattis two or three days a week from all
Speaker 2: the testing and so something. Oh that's cute. Actual weapons
Speaker 2: over their artillery, drop bombs, et cetera.
Speaker 1: See live fire, live fire, It shakes the whole house.
Speaker 1: Thank god, Yeah, and and and so so things. Now,
Speaker 1: why would that be thank you. It's okay, you could.
Speaker 1: You're allowed in thank you. I appreciate it. I was
Speaker 1: getting a little, yeah, a little a little dry mouth,
Speaker 1: so I had thank you.
Speaker 2: We'll look regularly, we go to our stock files, bring
Speaker 2: out exemplars and test them to make sure they're still
Speaker 2: working right.
Speaker 1: It's efficiency, it's how we keep things. That's why you
Speaker 1: know Russia is seeing a huge problem because of the
Speaker 1: Chinese weaponry.
Speaker 2: Korea. Yeah, yeah, favor they blew up thirty thousand tons
Speaker 2: of it.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm. Uh did you see recently? Not even a
Speaker 1: couple I would even say it was a couple of
Speaker 1: days ago. This might have been within the last twenty
Speaker 1: four hours, but israel I ran lobbed like one hundred
Speaker 1: and eighty missiles to the Iron Dome. And uh, I
Speaker 1: mean things are getting I mean, I don't want to
Speaker 1: say it out loud, but if a certain country were
Speaker 1: to make a move on Taiwan, I am really and
Speaker 1: I'm genuinely fucking fearful, Like it's emotional. I am generally
Speaker 1: fearful that that the greedy, the one percent like people
Speaker 1: don't realize the same people that have the contracts to
Speaker 1: blow these places up somehow have the contracts to clean
Speaker 1: it up and rebuild it. Guys, we're being fucking played.
Speaker 2: Well, except except in the case of China. He has
Speaker 2: a single person caught, the personality dictatorship, and he has
Speaker 2: announced that in twenty twenty six he's gonna take Taiwan.
Speaker 2: What can we do but take him at his word?
Speaker 1: Literally, we have to say.
Speaker 2: That's all goot. So we are doing very provocative things.
Speaker 2: We're stationing special forces on the island of Taiwan. We
Speaker 2: basically have talked Japanese into unleashing. They have expeditionary forces
Speaker 2: and they're going to be able to project power the Philippines.
Speaker 2: They're letting us back on the island. We're putting all
Speaker 2: sorts of stuff on those islands. And it is clear
Speaker 2: that what we intend is when China launches the armada,
Speaker 2: whether it's drones or missiles or ships or whatever, they
Speaker 2: can't take the island without taking people. So we will
Speaker 2: largely sink their entire force. Yeah, and they will do
Speaker 2: a lot of image to Taiwan before that happens, because
Speaker 2: they're going to try to vomit into submission.
Speaker 1: Exactly exactly so, and you know it's weird. It's a
Speaker 1: weird connection. But in the nineties, this and we've we
Speaker 1: we are and I hate to say this, but strategically
Speaker 1: we made a stupid move, a stupid move by not
Speaker 1: keeping keeping an eye on, you know, throughout this whole
Speaker 1: Afghanistan thing. You know, we had our heads so focused
Speaker 1: on the war on terror that we didn't realize that
Speaker 1: that we didn't because back in the nineties, when China
Speaker 1: would get iffy or they would, you know, get a
Speaker 1: little spunk in them, all we had to do as
Speaker 1: a as a nation was send the the Princeton, that group,
Speaker 1: the Nimitz Battle Group. We would just send it into
Speaker 1: that the straight right there, and we would just park
Speaker 1: it and and China would see that and go, oh, nothing.
Speaker 2: I want to tell you right now, nothing's gotten better
Speaker 2: for them. There's a fifteen mile wide straight through which
Speaker 2: they receive all the raw materials they need to survive
Speaker 2: from whatever they would need to manufacture, stuff to fuel,
Speaker 2: and they export all the material they manufacture, et cetera.
Speaker 2: So they can't get food or supplies that the last
Speaker 2: longer than they probably have three months stockpile. But we
Speaker 2: could interdict right there and they would be starving in
Speaker 2: three months.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they're young. They're having a huge problem with
Speaker 1: their young people right now.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they're going that they're in the few mode. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I call it that the Eic, the ethic Ethic movement,
Speaker 2: because they're home going.
Speaker 1: This is bullshit. And you know what, the Korean people,
Speaker 1: like the North Korean people, need to snow out of it.
Speaker 1: They need they also need to snap out of this this.
Speaker 2: I don't know, they're gonna push and help.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so what could UFOs do to unite the world?
Speaker 1: How could what's the future? Could you see a future
Speaker 1: in which UFOs and the just disclosure in general change, Like,
Speaker 1: we all need to have that Edgar Mitchell moment when
Speaker 1: we're coming back from the Moon and we look upon
Speaker 1: the Earth and we see that there's no borders, there's
Speaker 1: nothing but a pale, blue, perfect beautiful planet. That's what
Speaker 1: we need. We need that as a society.
Speaker 2: I said, so, if if I were wanting them to
Speaker 2: interdict anything, it would be to render unusable every nuclear
Speaker 2: weapon on Earth. That would send a message that no
Speaker 2: one can deny.
Speaker 1: That would be my gods, that send shivers? Do you
Speaker 1: I I just choked on that A little bit that
Speaker 1: would Yeah, I drank, took a sip and that was
Speaker 1: choked on it. But do you also think that that
Speaker 1: might send the wrong because we have to look at
Speaker 1: intent here because the leaders of the world, now, neutrality
Speaker 1: looks a lot different than hostility. But in our eyes
Speaker 1: the human perspective, neutrality from them may seem hostility.
Speaker 2: It may see, but they've already done it. They went
Speaker 2: up over the mine not air force base and I
Speaker 2: know it feels and shut down our missiles. They went
Speaker 2: to Russia and started their missiles.
Speaker 1: As I say, they turned them off, So that that
Speaker 1: to me is a clear indicator.
Speaker 2: Right. But I mean, but they the only follow up
Speaker 2: is letting it sink in how powerful they are.
Speaker 1: Yes, And do you think that we the public know? Right? Uh?
Speaker 1: Do you think that that is why there hasn't been
Speaker 1: a nuclear exchange in I mean, there's only ever really
Speaker 1: been one or two, I should say. Do you think
Speaker 1: that the UFOs kind of did the job and and
Speaker 1: actually got to the the the objective was achieved where
Speaker 1: they kind of hinted at it like, hey, at any moment.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but I tell you I believe. What
Speaker 2: I believe is that corruption in Russia and China is
Speaker 2: basically doing their job for them. We have always intelligence
Speaker 2: report said that a bunch of messiles in China were
Speaker 2: tested and the tanks were filled full of water.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because they were the people that were the mercenaries
Speaker 1: were siphoning off the gas and selling the gas and not.
Speaker 2: Taking not fueling them with solid propeller. They were poppeting
Speaker 2: and filling it full of sawdust. I mean, they were
Speaker 2: just not doing anything. When you run a corrupt economy,
Speaker 2: you but that's your method of control. Expect the people
Speaker 2: to behave like you do.
Speaker 1: Correct you you're you're you're only going to get a
Speaker 1: mirror of you.
Speaker 2: In the Russian army in Ukraine right now. Ukraine has
Speaker 2: no right to be able to stop an army that
Speaker 2: people thought existed for Russia mounted their attack.
Speaker 1: Right because and and and you know a lot of
Speaker 1: people say, oh, you know what if these you know,
Speaker 1: like people in in like idiots, uh that all this
Speaker 1: UFO stuff is it's it's it's gotta be Russian technology
Speaker 1: or Chinese technology. You're gonna tell me that if Russia
Speaker 1: had UFOs at their disposal, that Ukraine and that war
Speaker 1: would still be happening. Come on, come on, that is
Speaker 1: such horseshit. This is not That is not technology that
Speaker 1: these countries clearly have. If they had it, they'd be
Speaker 1: using it, because at this point it's all they have.
Speaker 1: You can't go nuclear because then everyone goes nuclear and I.
Speaker 2: Won't recall what's going on here. Ukraine is halting took
Speaker 2: for the most part, Russian advances to basically crawl with
Speaker 2: losing one thousand plus people a day with our twenty
Speaker 2: five year old technology. We have a lot better than that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know, there is this notion that we
Speaker 1: should as a society want the war to end, right.
Speaker 2: With the exception of there is only one end that
Speaker 2: Putin will accept, and that's people laying flowers on his casket.
Speaker 2: Putin is he will not surrender, He will not back off.
Speaker 1: You don't think that. Now, say President Trump, Say Trump
Speaker 1: gets in, Do you think this war escalates or goes
Speaker 1: de escalates?
Speaker 2: Oh no, it'll escalate because then he'll feel he's empowered
Speaker 2: to attack Europe. But they are spending every dime they
Speaker 2: can to catch up. They're integrating and working together.
Speaker 1: Okay, what if Harris gets in? How do we I
Speaker 1: mean we need to stop funding the war through a
Speaker 1: proxy like.
Speaker 2: No, I just don't agree with you, because Putin is
Speaker 2: not going to Look, look, listen to what Putin says,
Speaker 2: because he is telling you the truth. He has taken
Speaker 2: over territory in the country of Georgia, he has taken
Speaker 2: over territory in the country of Moldova. He took over
Speaker 2: the Crimean Peninsula from Ukraine, and when he was a
Speaker 2: signed a peace treaty, he attacked the rest of Ukraine
Speaker 2: a year later. This guy is constantly telling us who
Speaker 2: he is. He moved in to Syria and tried to
Speaker 2: kill the Americans there until they showed them, Look, you
Speaker 2: don't want to do that, and one hundred men mowed
Speaker 2: down close to two thousand Russians in two days. Look,
Speaker 2: Putin is a guy that is a bully is and
Speaker 2: he's now just to remind people. He's laid down two
Speaker 2: dozen red lines, and we've allowed Ukraine to cross all
Speaker 2: and what's happened?
Speaker 1: Right and and and I so again, how does how
Speaker 1: can UFO disclosure help? Because there's got to be something
Speaker 1: that unites us, that.
Speaker 2: Stocks the UFO disclosure is going to change human nature.
Speaker 1: You don't on our own right, and that would be
Speaker 1: a collective.
Speaker 2: So I'm not going to empower us with technology that
Speaker 2: enables the worst of us to act even worse.
Speaker 1: So do you think that there is someone behind these okay,
Speaker 1: let's call them the secret keepers, just for for a namesake,
Speaker 1: these secret keepers? Do you think that they they want
Speaker 1: this division and conflict to continue?
Speaker 2: No, I don't have good. Look, people have to understand
Speaker 2: how huge our government is. Not everybody in our government
Speaker 2: is united. If they were united, we wouldn't have the
Speaker 2: FBI Lincoln stuff that misled you about Hillary Clinton, or
Speaker 2: you wouldn't have the FBI telling stuff on Donald Trump
Speaker 2: before he ever went to trial when you're never supposed
Speaker 2: to allow evidence out. Look, there are always factions inside
Speaker 2: of a inside of a democratic government. You have the
Speaker 2: old and you have the new. You have the A
Speaker 2: and you have the B, and they they fight each
Speaker 2: other even inside.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I but you don't see any good notion like so.
Speaker 1: A notion that I would bring up here in this
Speaker 1: as an example is we see that the UFO issue
Speaker 1: seems to be bipartisan for the most for the most part,
Speaker 1: and I see that as a good thing.
Speaker 2: But that doesn't help us with our enemies. Right, just
Speaker 2: just because we wish Gee and Putin and what's his
Speaker 2: name in North Korea would be peaceful, they're not going
Speaker 2: to be. They don't have it in them.
Speaker 1: So so okay, now we've established that it's uh, there's
Speaker 1: no sitting at the table with these people.
Speaker 2: Yes, you'll sit at the table and they'll light.
Speaker 1: Twelve months, right, So okay, if we're if if we
Speaker 1: can't do that anymore, then I mean, do we need
Speaker 1: to Is it? Is it on us as a country
Speaker 1: or on NATO as an organization to then infiltrate and
Speaker 1: take these people out.
Speaker 2: We took this job on at the Breton Woods Agreement
Speaker 2: at the end of World War two. We guaranteed all
Speaker 2: of our enemies and anybody else who would come that
Speaker 2: we would make the oceans free of piracy and allow
Speaker 2: them to move their goods around the world. And we
Speaker 2: agreed we would open our markets and set up financial
Speaker 2: institutions and they could flow their goods into us and
Speaker 2: we would buy them without restriction. So a little that's
Speaker 2: breaking down a little bit, but that's still the governing
Speaker 2: structure of the world. And petro dollars is the international
Speaker 2: currency of exchange. And anybody that is daydreaming that China
Speaker 2: and India and bricks are going to replace the dollar,
Speaker 2: they're living in a pipe dream. There's not enough money
Speaker 2: in those countries to replace the trivions of dollars flowing
Speaker 2: through the currency system. It's a pipe dreaming. It isn't
Speaker 2: going to happen bil until the United States falls, and
Speaker 2: it has to fall hard. The Brettonwood system may made Peter,
Speaker 2: but I don't think it's gone fall.
Speaker 1: No, I don't think it is either. I just get
Speaker 1: worried sometimes about the the China, China, the Belton Road
Speaker 1: initiative that they have.
Speaker 2: Their they're bankrupt people. They don't understand that China is
Speaker 2: a bankrupt They have over leveraged themselves with the dark
Speaker 2: rup And look, the United States is also full of corruption.
Speaker 2: Otherwise you wouldn't have day Chinese company sending all the
Speaker 2: stuff that's needed to go to do the war in Iraq. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and there's people on the other side too. I'm not
Speaker 2: saying it's one side, but corruption is part of government.
Speaker 2: What we want to do is minimize it.
Speaker 1: And again I see a path forward where you the
Speaker 1: UFO issue or just because with the UFO issue, I
Speaker 1: think comes and I think it's kind of implied that
Speaker 1: when we're talking about UFOs, we're not just talking about UFOs,
Speaker 1: We're talking about kind of everything, right, the paranormal.
Speaker 2: We have to clearly demonstrate to our people and others.
Speaker 2: Here's how the UFO stuff is going to ultimately change
Speaker 2: your life forever for the better. Then it will be united.
Speaker 1: There you go, That's what I'm talking about. So using
Speaker 1: this as a catalyst, saying guys, look, you know we
Speaker 1: may you know, we're fighting over land, we're fighting over resources,
Speaker 1: but let's look at this. We see an alternative. Now,
Speaker 1: maybe the US government has made mistakes in the past,
Speaker 1: and you know what, we're gonna have to live with that.
Speaker 1: We're gonna have to meet the US government or military
Speaker 1: industrial complex halfway on this because the mistakes they haven't
Speaker 1: been made already. There's no fixing it, right, But what
Speaker 1: we can do in the future is be more transparent.
Speaker 1: Right if it's if you have a four K video
Speaker 1: of a UFO and the way you got it was
Speaker 1: through a sensor system, maybe that shouldn't be operating in
Speaker 1: a certain area. Scrub it all, scrub all you need,
Speaker 1: but show me the fucking UFO, right, do whatever you
Speaker 1: need to do.
Speaker 2: Look, I mean, you know what will happen. People will say, CGI,
Speaker 2: that's the where it came from.
Speaker 1: And that's the problem we're running up now is we're
Speaker 1: running congruent with AI and AI advancement. I mean your
Speaker 1: background is created by AI today, right.
Speaker 2: So technology?
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I mean we're talking what happens when AI
Speaker 1: is so realistic that someone makes a video that's so
Speaker 1: compelling and shows like something like a UFO landing, or
Speaker 1: or like a President Putin saying that he's about to
Speaker 1: launch nukes and that somehow goes viral, and we're one
Speaker 1: miscalculation away from something bad happening. So you know, I
Speaker 1: just I have this ominous darkness that I that that
Speaker 1: I feel, and I don't like I see a way out.
Speaker 1: But it's got to be we got to leave this
Speaker 1: mindset of MAD, like something that has the acronym MAD.
Speaker 2: We are not.
Speaker 1: How are we so oblivious that mutually as shured destruction
Speaker 1: is the only thing that's keeping us from being on
Speaker 1: this planet?
Speaker 2: It means there's a lot of omies paid to MAD
Speaker 2: because it QUO won the Cold War.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well it also pigeon held us into this feeling
Speaker 1: that the only thing that's keeping us alive is the
Speaker 1: notion that I got nukes and you got nukes, and
Speaker 1: we don't want the world to end. So we're not
Speaker 1: going to exchange battle, but we're going to keep them
Speaker 1: in silos pointed at each other. So everyone feels on
Speaker 1: edge all the time.
Speaker 2: Well, and you got one, you got one dictator threatening
Speaker 2: reuse them every two minutes, because yeah, I think one
Speaker 2: buff bluff calling after another. I don't think he's going
Speaker 2: to do it.
Speaker 1: No, I don't.
Speaker 2: I'm giving you my opinion based on years of geopolitical experience.
Speaker 2: I think Prutin is in real trouble. And if we
Speaker 2: went all in with Ukraine, and I don't mean send troops,
Speaker 2: I mean give them what they need and the permissions
Speaker 2: they need, they would have control of their country in
Speaker 2: a year.
Speaker 1: Right, But is it? I mean Ukraine wasn't. I guess
Speaker 1: we don't even have to go down that road because
Speaker 1: I think everybody knows that Ukraine wasn't free of corruption
Speaker 1: before this.
Speaker 2: Because Putin had his cronies installed in Ukraine. Right, it's
Speaker 2: not free of corruption now, just like the United States
Speaker 2: is not free constant battle. People want to take advantage
Speaker 2: any system. It's our job as citizens to fight.
Speaker 1: Against that right. It absolutely is. No, it absolutely is.
Speaker 1: And you know with that, with that being kind of said,
Speaker 1: uh in your opinion, how with why do I phrase this?
Speaker 1: You know, but because with recent reports of military encounters
Speaker 1: with U A P. You know, Alexando's books come out.
Speaker 1: You know, what do you think these incidents reveal about
Speaker 1: the nature of the phenomena, because you know it we're
Speaker 1: we're going down a path here that ultimately it's got
Speaker 1: to lead to some sort of disclosure. So you know
Speaker 1: what is the perception uh that that that you think
Speaker 1: has been revealed by things like el Zando's book, uh
Speaker 1: and other you know, military accounts.
Speaker 2: What I see now is a seventy year old security
Speaker 2: system that is fraying at your edges and falling apart,
Speaker 2: and the people who have been held inside with a
Speaker 2: chain around their neck and a gun at their head
Speaker 2: and fear as the main control authority are going effort.
Speaker 2: I'm going to tell the story. And man, somebody I
Speaker 2: thought would never ever open their mouth is Harold Malngram.
Speaker 2: Harold Malngram. People don't know how important this guy is.
Speaker 2: He is so important and he has been around for
Speaker 2: four presidents advising them and other things. Haild malngred and
Speaker 2: he started talking about the things he knows. And I'm
Speaker 2: telling you that is a name that will cause people
Speaker 2: in both parties, military, industrial, et cetera to sit up
Speaker 2: and take notice.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to look it up right now. Can you
Speaker 1: give me the lowdown.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's on X and he's starting to tweet out
Speaker 2: things he was told about non human intelligence and that
Speaker 2: he knows from being on the inside.
Speaker 1: So a new are you? Are you in contact with them?
Speaker 2: We exchanged stuff onto X, but he and I are
Speaker 2: not buddies. I film once and a skiff about near
Speaker 2: the end of Star Wars after Reagan. Yeah, and then
Speaker 2: brand Fare and the Lowell Woods and a bunch of
Speaker 2: other people were there and I gave him a briefing,
Speaker 2: and so that was my only personal contact with hereever.
Speaker 2: But I have known who he is ever since.
Speaker 1: Well. I would love to try to get him on
Speaker 1: the show and have a conversation.
Speaker 2: I don't know if he would do that, but you
Speaker 2: should try.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll maybe put in a good word for me
Speaker 1: because I'd love to have a conversation with them. But okay,
Speaker 1: I mean, so.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: These guys like David Grutch, you know, Lou Elizondo. I mean,
Speaker 1: they keep calling them whistleblowers, but they're not technically whistleblowers because.
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, they are the technical legal definition of
Speaker 2: whistle blower inside the United States government, which means they
Speaker 2: have detected something they believe is illegal, unethical, against the
Speaker 2: rules of whatever. They are required to make a disclosure
Speaker 2: under protection to the inspector General of the department they're in.
Speaker 2: Then they are officially covered by the Whistleblower Act, and
Speaker 2: within thirty days the inspector generals are to give a
Speaker 2: report to the to the committees in Congress that cover
Speaker 2: that agency. So I'll be out it. And they are
Speaker 2: in fact that kid and of official whistle blow.
Speaker 1: Okay, well, so but they're not. They're also you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: they're they're they're going through Dopster, which is the d
Speaker 1: D pre Publication Office.
Speaker 2: They're not a laker if they're going through, right.
Speaker 1: So, like, there's a difference between a whistleblower like Edward Snowden,
Speaker 1: who most would argue did a pretty traitorous thing. You know,
Speaker 1: some see it as like an act of defiance and
Speaker 1: or or like uh everybody, yeah, exactly exactly.
Speaker 2: But that guy did a lot, but he did, he did.
Speaker 1: People will never know how bad it was, right, he
Speaker 1: did compromise a lot of of of intel officers. He
Speaker 1: compromised a lot he did.
Speaker 2: But let me tell you what compromised in especially if
Speaker 2: some of them were at our agents. They died.
Speaker 1: They died. Yes, that's it's terrible. And that's what happens.
Speaker 1: And and and you know, because we we we look
Speaker 1: at the Internet and and these devices, and you know,
Speaker 1: the social media platforms that connect us, but we don't
Speaker 1: realize all the time that there are actual human people
Speaker 1: that are our lives are at stake who you can't
Speaker 1: And it's it's one thing to be it's one thing
Speaker 1: to alert us of a danger, but it's another thing
Speaker 1: to break national security because that does that that that
Speaker 1: is a problem.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: I mean, now he's living in Russia of all places, right,
Speaker 1: And I mean I see that as I don't know,
Speaker 1: I I snowed in makes me I go back and
Speaker 1: forth because it's like, I mean, are we better are
Speaker 1: we any better off with that information? Because nothing seemed
Speaker 1: to change no, they no, it did nothing changed.
Speaker 2: It's different, but still stuff goes on. But no, it's
Speaker 2: strictly more strictly controlled under more legal cover.
Speaker 1: Right. But I think most people know that you start
Speaker 1: talking about uh for breeze, you're going to start getting
Speaker 1: ads for for breeze.
Speaker 2: But that's generally that's because you've allowed you've allowed these
Speaker 2: silly telephone companies to have permission. The United States government
Speaker 2: does not have that permission, so they they record stuff,
Speaker 2: but that doesn't mean they look at it. So collection
Speaker 2: is defined as taking stuff that's stored. Once you have
Speaker 2: evidence that you can put in front of a court,
Speaker 2: or you can assure no American US person is involved,
Speaker 2: then you can look at it and see what it contains. Right.
Speaker 2: The reason is we would not be safe if they
Speaker 2: could not do that. We literally couldn't. The weapon could
Speaker 2: be inside the United States, put together by bad actors
Speaker 2: and we would never know. But hopefully, but that kind
Speaker 2: of stuff. With the slightest hint, you can go to
Speaker 2: a court. You can say here's what we know and
Speaker 2: we think it means this, and the files of court
Speaker 2: hed to be okay, and then you can go look.
Speaker 2: But that it's only worked because it's already in storage
Speaker 2: not looked at. And this is controlled by the most
Speaker 2: unbelievable control mechanisms. You can't go touch that stuff without
Speaker 2: alarms going off.
Speaker 1: Absolutely and this whole TikTok thing, But it brings out
Speaker 1: into question. I saw some just mention it TikTok. I
Speaker 1: mean you look at the differences in TikTok in China
Speaker 1: versus TikTok in the United States. There is a drastic
Speaker 1: difference in the companies. The Chinese have like educational semin
Speaker 1: like like times and stuff like that, and then the
Speaker 1: United States TikTok is is all just like you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's people are genuinely worried about it so
Speaker 1: far as uh, they might even ban TikTok if it's
Speaker 1: not sold to an American company.
Speaker 2: At least everybody okay TikTok, hold your finger on it,
Speaker 2: and you go to the bottom and hit delete.
Speaker 1: That delete it. Yes, I would have to agree on
Speaker 1: this one, because it is anybody knows. Everybody knows that
Speaker 1: if you are a company in China, you are working
Speaker 1: for the CCP no matter what at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, So that means all are information and if
Speaker 1: you start going into the to the laws that you
Speaker 1: sign up for, you know, the ones that nobody reads,
Speaker 1: the terms of service of of TikTok, you'd be fucking
Speaker 1: frightened to see what they collect about you on all your.
Speaker 2: The People's Liberation Army does whatever they want with that data.
Speaker 1: So and and and we know that data is the
Speaker 1: new that's the new thing, right, that's that's there.
Speaker 2: There is reason. There's a reason. There's a reason that
Speaker 2: illegal assets of the Chinese government inside the United States
Speaker 2: and storefronts set up by the Chinese government outnumber our
Speaker 2: total intelligence community workforce. Jesus, there's a reason. People need
Speaker 2: to wake the heath up, Jesus. China is not our friend.
Speaker 1: No, they are not. And but they are sly. They're
Speaker 1: very sly because they they they somehow found out how
Speaker 1: to make this the They're very smart, is what I
Speaker 1: should say. And that's what I meant earlier when you know,
Speaker 1: when we we had our eye on the war on terror,
Speaker 1: China kind of just you know, they they worked on
Speaker 1: trying to get better.
Speaker 2: Right. Uh.
Speaker 1: They send kids here into Boston to get trained at
Speaker 1: Harvard and then they go back to China with that information,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean with that education, So Virginia Tech.
Speaker 2: I had to call in the FBI and the US
Speaker 2: Naval investigated services because of all the Chinese people that
Speaker 2: were breaking into my office.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's it's at like I live in arguably,
Speaker 1: so with Boston, you know, the Ivy League uh area
Speaker 1: around here, and and I I say this with no prejudice,
Speaker 1: no racial thing, but there is a large Chinese population
Speaker 1: in Boston and that is and they're mostly in that
Speaker 1: college age rage. Uh, it's it's it's it's it's a
Speaker 1: statistic and it's it's actually quite alarming as well, because
Speaker 1: you don't you don't know with some of them. You
Speaker 1: look into the scholarships that they that they're given.
Speaker 7: Here, here's the theory that enough of them will learn
Speaker 7: that they have spent nearly two decades being lied to
Speaker 7: by their government about what the United States is actually like,
Speaker 7: and we'll go back and change minds.
Speaker 1: And then and I think that's what's how you see
Speaker 1: the people, the younger people uprising now saying wait a second,
Speaker 1: this is not how it should be, this is not right.
Speaker 2: I mean, they're just sitting at home with mom and
Speaker 2: dad doing nothing, can't afford the apartment, can't find a job,
Speaker 2: they haven't unemployment rate in those under twenty five or
Speaker 2: thirty I can't remember.
Speaker 1: Right, and then and and the the eight I think
Speaker 1: it's like it's a huge statistic, but uh, males, like
Speaker 1: it's like seven to one, and they're having a reproduction
Speaker 1: problem and there's a serious age cap you know that
Speaker 1: that that that is going to cripple that company, that
Speaker 1: that country. If it's not, I don't I don't think
Speaker 1: anyone sees a way that they can solve it. Actually,
Speaker 1: aside from immigration.
Speaker 2: And so look, a large portion of the problems are
Speaker 2: sold in China are solved by the ultimate horror of
Speaker 2: realizing the truth about demographics. China is undergoing the largest
Speaker 2: demographic collapse in the history of humanity. That's a lot
Speaker 2: your decrease. It's happening so fast they can't even keep
Speaker 2: up with it, and they're having to constantly correct their records.
Speaker 2: So there are hundreds of cities built to house all
Speaker 2: the new young people working at all these industries selling
Speaker 2: stuff to the West that are empty. Hundreds of empty cities,
Speaker 2: nothing to do with them.
Speaker 1: Yep. And honestly, the factories that they do have. They
Speaker 1: have to put nets outside of them because the people
Speaker 1: are so miserable. They don't have they don't have love
Speaker 1: because there's no women to love, right, they don't have
Speaker 1: They all they have is work like seventy two hours
Speaker 1: a week and they have to live at the place
Speaker 1: they work making Apple iPhones. They have to put nets
Speaker 1: on the buildings from people jumping. It's fucking terrible. It's
Speaker 1: fucking like And people in the United States complain and
Speaker 1: they complain and they complain. It's like, you don't know
Speaker 1: how good you have it.
Speaker 2: Well, they just stop buying Russia and Chinese propaganda. Yeah, look,
Speaker 2: we're not saints. We are definitely not saints. We had
Speaker 2: no business going into Iraq for weapons of mass destruction
Speaker 2: that didn't exist, and we spent two trillion dollars doing Now,
Speaker 2: we are not saints, but we need to understand that
Speaker 2: we have real enemies and they're gonna try to do
Speaker 2: whatever they can to mess with us.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, and because because we're the big dog, people are
Speaker 1: always going to fight upward and that is just a
Speaker 1: nature of reality.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do this. People call me a warmonger for
Speaker 2: a month.
Speaker 1: But I'm not no, no, passion. War is terrible. I
Speaker 1: mean people, that's and that's another thing is war is terrible,
Speaker 1: but it honestly we got to get and that's what
Speaker 1: I war. You know, ancient cultures and there listen you
Speaker 1: think wars. I mean they were constantly you know, battling
Speaker 1: each other ancient cultures. But I kind of think that
Speaker 1: they there there was ancient Do you believe that there
Speaker 1: might have been an ancient culture that was advanced like
Speaker 1: you know, say, I hate to say the a word
Speaker 1: like Atlantis or Limoria, that maybe technology wasn't like this
Speaker 1: like our phones, but it was more conscious base I think.
Speaker 2: I think we keep digging deeper with better tools, and
Speaker 2: archaeologists are finding almost always things are much older, happened
Speaker 2: much earlier than we think.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, absolutely, I mean go back, go back.
Speaker 1: I always say this one wrong, go beck Lee tepe
Speaker 1: right that that uh, that is really really divided uh people,
Speaker 1: Uh and you know it's it's pushing back dates and
Speaker 1: h have you heard about this all right, this is
Speaker 1: switching gears totally, But have you heard that rumor about
Speaker 1: uh NASA briefing Congress buying closed doors about a craft
Speaker 1: that is potentially heading our way.
Speaker 2: I can't find I can't find a source. I believe
Speaker 2: that says that, So do you.
Speaker 1: You don't think there's any merit to it?
Speaker 2: Uh, NASA has compartments, compartments, and I'm sure that they
Speaker 2: have to brief Congress on them, but that particular rumor
Speaker 2: I don't see any evidence for other than a few podcasts.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and the vetted guy Patrick, he had on
Speaker 1: that guy that he's like, I can't remember, I've never
Speaker 1: heard of him, and he was saying that he he
Speaker 1: had heard or he was being told that Congress was
Speaker 1: being told behind closed doors that they've found a craft.
Speaker 1: And this is right around the same time that NASA
Speaker 1: announces that they may have found city lights on a planet.
Speaker 2: That's like, hasn't told that?
Speaker 1: Right and so right, So we see this whole disinformation
Speaker 1: and it's like, you really don't know what's true or not,
Speaker 1: and it's like, you know, it's frustrating, And it's frustrating
Speaker 1: because there's.
Speaker 2: Nothing more frustrating to me than people in the public
Speaker 2: being lied to by governments and representatives, et cetera. And
Speaker 2: I am I've gotten to the point where I'm not
Speaker 2: an absolute free speech person. I believe it is time,
Speaker 2: and I wrote and put up on Twitter for everybody
Speaker 2: that wants to go look at it. A proposed constitutional
Speaker 2: amendment that will forbid people in government, whether elected or
Speaker 2: are employed, from lying to the American people. It's blinky,
Speaker 2: it covers every base, and it will toutally change the world.
Speaker 1: Really be interesting.
Speaker 2: I don't care if you don't tell me stuff, just
Speaker 2: don't lie to me to cover it up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, all right, I could get on board with
Speaker 1: something like that. Yeah, Like if there are some things
Speaker 1: that I don't think that we should know, you know,
Speaker 1: I think some things are better, you know, left to
Speaker 1: the professionals, right, like operations for instance, the one to
Speaker 1: capture in lying and you know that stuff. Dude, I'm
Speaker 1: happy to let you guys do that and do what
Speaker 1: you need to do, right.
Speaker 2: I do not want to endanger still team sex lives
Speaker 2: by knowing stuff.
Speaker 1: Right exactly means and methods. I get it, I get it.
Speaker 2: But the best ones, the best ones, people don't even
Speaker 2: really know who they are.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, yeah, the best and the.
Speaker 2: Best of those military teams. They are. They are wild,
Speaker 2: They're awesome, and I won't even say their name.
Speaker 1: Right, like some of those strike teams.
Speaker 2: I mean they.
Speaker 1: Hint right, they you know, they're the type of teams
Speaker 1: that can top all nations overnight and change regimes overnight.
Speaker 1: And you don't hear their names. You don't. They're not
Speaker 1: in the news that they're there. And I and I
Speaker 1: guess what, I'm happy. I'm happy. I love that they
Speaker 1: exist because it makes me feel a little bit safer.
Speaker 2: It's better to have small, specialized, highly trained, highly capable
Speaker 2: people who are trained how to operate in these close
Speaker 2: environments without destroying a whole building, so we don't have
Speaker 2: to go to war every time somebody crosses us. As example,
Speaker 2: every one of those people is a volunteer.
Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely. And you know, would it be out of
Speaker 1: the realm of possibilities that some sort of team has
Speaker 1: been assembled? Do you think it's out of the realm
Speaker 1: of possibilities that some advanced team uses some sort of
Speaker 1: reverse engineered UFO technology that people see sometimes?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's possible.
Speaker 1: You think it's possible. I think it's possible because I
Speaker 1: think it's possible that we have some sort of man
Speaker 1: made UFO, at least one one model that that is.
Speaker 1: You know, I would say, it's probably the triangle. Uh,
Speaker 1: it's probably the t R three B if I something
Speaker 1: similar to it, if I would have to say, I
Speaker 1: but there's there's definitely I think there's something.
Speaker 2: Uh laala and I have had three trianglesply ride over
Speaker 2: us since I moved here. Three Yeah, just what kind
Speaker 2: of sun they are? Real?
Speaker 1: That's the end of it, period period period unmista what
Speaker 1: we saw. And again, you know you're you're open about
Speaker 1: where you you you you're in the area of an
Speaker 1: active military base, very active.
Speaker 2: They fire artillery and other guns and bombs over there
Speaker 2: multiple days during the week. They do leave us alone
Speaker 2: on weekends.
Speaker 1: Well, everyone's gonna have the weekend. Everyone, everyone's everyone's gonna go.
Speaker 1: You know, looking ahead, what do you envisioned for the
Speaker 1: future of of UFO disclosure?
Speaker 2: Okay, so we know from uh interview. Look, look, Matt
Speaker 2: Laslow is doing a great job all around. He's going
Speaker 2: around and doing the great stuff, and he's out at
Speaker 2: almost all the upcoming hearings. And we're hearing from one
Speaker 2: of the sponsors centered Rounds that the U A p
Speaker 2: d A is not dead. Yeah, that even going to
Speaker 2: make it into the package, but it will be brought
Speaker 2: up as an amendment in the Lane duck session. Nobody
Speaker 2: wants to take any kind of risk in the next
Speaker 2: thirty days until the election is over.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, and.
Speaker 2: And all helps them break loose soon after.
Speaker 1: Wow? Really?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: So what do you mean by that.
Speaker 2: Burning up?
Speaker 1: No, that's okay, We're we're going to be winding down
Speaker 1: now right now. But what do you mean all hell
Speaker 1: is going to break loose?
Speaker 2: Oh? Learning stuff, disclosure. Oh, but I still think it's
Speaker 2: going to be dominated by league and nothing official.
Speaker 1: Okay. So I mean because the ship that you're seeing
Speaker 1: right is, I mean, we are what can the the
Speaker 1: amount of evidence, the amount of testimony, the amount of witnesses,
Speaker 1: the amount of people, the the global consciousness is shifting,
Speaker 1: and I think it's shifting towards the fact that more
Speaker 1: people believe than don't believe.
Speaker 2: Now, look, that really does impact, I impact on the
Speaker 2: collective consciousness.
Speaker 1: And that's what I was going to say, Like, we
Speaker 1: know that they've done studies where you know, they've talked
Speaker 1: to water and and and then frozen in and you
Speaker 1: know when they spoke words like love or or intent,
Speaker 1: you know, uh, positive words. The ice, Uh, the crystals
Speaker 1: are beautiful. But when they spoke words like fear or
Speaker 1: hatred or violence like the crystals in form and they
Speaker 1: be all messy. So our intent, our our collective intent,
Speaker 1: it literally matt hers our words mat r they affect.
Speaker 2: I have personally witness after eyebat a bunch of raised
Speaker 2: beds her go out and try to talk to and
Speaker 2: love on and heal a plan. I would, hey, that
Speaker 2: thing is dead and two days later to be alive.
Speaker 2: No way, I'm promising. God is my witness. I don't
Speaker 2: have a reason to about it because I'm just telling you,
Speaker 2: I'm a shocked beyond compare as anybody. I'm constantly having
Speaker 2: that I don't understand reality thrown in my face.
Speaker 1: I don't. That's unbelievable, and that and that's and that's
Speaker 1: again I I I love that because it really does
Speaker 1: send that message that love, right, it's it's the transcending
Speaker 1: universal combatant to hate and to violence. So maybe that's
Speaker 1: the key.
Speaker 2: Right. Love is definitely a competent we we we do need.
Speaker 2: Oh man, look, it's it is painful for me to
Speaker 2: go on UFO, Twitter and an X basis and have
Speaker 2: listen to the battles going on between people who are
Speaker 2: ultimately without agency to impact anything except stroking their own egos.
Speaker 1: Ego.
Speaker 2: It bothers me a lot, it does. I just try
Speaker 2: to sound like the words of sad.
Speaker 1: Yeah no. And you're you You're You're often, you're often.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: What I love about you is that you're you're not
Speaker 1: afraid to speak your mind, but you also know when
Speaker 1: to filter and when to speak to the general public
Speaker 1: versus your you know, you separate your thoughts, like you know,
Speaker 1: your fleeting thoughts are very you know, uh exactly. Uh so, uh,
Speaker 1: you're you're you're genuine guy, and you've seen some some
Speaker 1: crazy stuff, uh, especially you know recently, Like I'm sure
Speaker 1: you're seeing it. I watch your Twitter, I watch your
Speaker 1: your Facebook. Uh Lala is always posting content about the stuff.
Speaker 2: It's never ending around here.
Speaker 1: That's and that's what crazy. I want to come out there.
Speaker 1: I want to see it. I want to experience it
Speaker 1: because I've had some some experiences recently that they make
Speaker 1: they're just they're sending me in a certain direction. And uh,
Speaker 1: you know that's why I reached out to you, and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, I what what what what advice do you
Speaker 1: have for people in the field of science. This will
Speaker 1: be the final uh question in the field of science.
Speaker 1: You know, young kids, young younger guys, younger females that
Speaker 1: want to get into the science of.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you my strongest possible recommendation is you're not
Speaker 2: gonna learn shit sitting in front of your computer. Okay,
Speaker 2: that's number one. The second is, but I'm not gonna
Speaker 2: sit in front of my computer. What am I going
Speaker 2: to do? Do a little research. Find a person who
Speaker 2: is open to public access. Even if it cost a
Speaker 2: few bucks for you to go out and observe this
Speaker 2: stuff with that person, it's worth the money because you're
Speaker 2: gonna leave there changed.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're gonna have you have trouble allowing your biases
Speaker 2: and your logic overcome what you experienced. And my one
Speaker 2: of my favorite things is if you ruled out all
Speaker 2: the things that are impossible, the only thing left must
Speaker 2: be the answer.
Speaker 1: Yep and yeah absolutely it mess And you are not
Speaker 1: going to.
Speaker 2: Learn anything about this field sitting in front of computer
Speaker 2: except what somebody else tells you.
Speaker 1: Don't be a prisoner, right, escape the the echo chamber.
Speaker 2: If you will get out of the echo chamber and
Speaker 2: pay a vacation and.
Speaker 1: Go look yeah, and and and because for scientists, uh,
Speaker 1: you know we talk about the lack of funding, right,
Speaker 1: so more what I meant was for them, you know,
Speaker 1: if they want to get into the science of UAPs,
Speaker 1: but they're in university, how do they how do they
Speaker 1: try to be on the cutting edge research university?
Speaker 2: Every member of the research faculty is an independent entity.
Speaker 2: It's their whole little LLC. If they can go get funding,
Speaker 2: they can do it violates university policy.
Speaker 1: Okay, so all we need more people pitching ideas and
Speaker 1: pitching for funding. Yep, okay, all right, so that see
Speaker 1: that's the that's so guys, that's that. Maybe that's our
Speaker 1: next move as civilians is to push more, push for
Speaker 1: more funding for civilian because if we're not going to
Speaker 1: get it from if we're not going to get the
Speaker 1: President to come out and say, my fellow Americans, we're
Speaker 1: not alone, then we need to go do it ourselves.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So yeah, I mean, look, people need to realize
Speaker 2: how much money they're spending on all this craft we're
Speaker 2: using talk on stuff, and realize if they throw ten
Speaker 2: dollars to somebody that's doing good research and got one
Speaker 2: hundred other people to throw a few bucks that stuff
Speaker 2: might happen.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 2: I had to figure out a way to cross the rubicon.
Speaker 1: But there's a problem in the UFO field is when
Speaker 1: you start asking for money, they call you and they
Speaker 1: label you a grifter. That's a real problem. It's a
Speaker 1: real problem, they.
Speaker 2: Say to get over because nothing happens with a research
Speaker 2: person of any merit that doesn't cost money, nothing, yep,
Speaker 2: because they have required to pay for their lab, some
Speaker 2: of their salary, and their students to do the work. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and that's how we educate kids in this country through schools.
Speaker 1: Right, And we hold guys like doctor Gary Nolan in
Speaker 1: high regard, but he came into the field after he
Speaker 1: had already built a super successful career, you know, like.
Speaker 2: Not anybody who has eleven Nobel Prize nominations.
Speaker 1: Is a bad guy, right, Right, So we need to
Speaker 1: get more funding and more you know, we're people involved
Speaker 1: in this on the scientific side, and and the astronomical side,
Speaker 1: the UH and then honestly the philosophical side, because there're
Speaker 1: gonna be philosophical implications from disclosure and we're gonna need people.
Speaker 2: Down religious, social physics, math, mag's engineering, all these things
Speaker 2: are involved. Go find what you care about, find somebody
Speaker 2: who you believe, believe in, and help them.
Speaker 1: Out exactly so, And like what I like to tell
Speaker 1: everyone is I found my way. My way is like
Speaker 1: talking to people like Bob, I collect stories, right, I
Speaker 1: help illitate that. So I found my job. You found yours.
Speaker 1: So thank you so much, mister Bob McGuire. You've been amazing.
Speaker 1: Thank you for spending almost two hours, for coming up
Speaker 1: on two hours. I usually only go an hour and
Speaker 1: a half, but I love, always love having a nice
Speaker 1: conversation with you. You are absolutely amazing and a huge
Speaker 1: cherish among the UFO community.
Speaker 2: Thank you very much.
Speaker 1: So where can people find you? I'll have all your
Speaker 1: links in the description below, but just off hand.
Speaker 2: So I'm on Bob McGuire on Facebook, I'm Bob McGuire
Speaker 2: underscore sorry m h on X and those are by
Speaker 2: far the easiest ways to find me.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, and yeah, and I highly suggest that
Speaker 1: you keep out for him, watch out for him and
Speaker 1: what he's doing, because he's always posted great content and
Speaker 1: is genuinely uh surrounded by the phenomena well connected into
Speaker 1: the community, like with such peach as Chris Bledsoe and others. So, I,
Speaker 1: like I said, I always want to be on your
Speaker 1: good side, buddy. Uh. And with that being said, everyone
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Speaker 1: all right, Bob, see you next time.
Speaker 2: So yeah, take good to take care of try.
Speaker 1: Of course you
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