ROB SANSONE-The Elohim: ALIEN ENGINEERS of Human Origins

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1:40 Speaker 4: Yeah. Community has always asked the same timeless questions, why

1:55 Speaker 4: are we here? Who created us? Are we alone in

1:59 Speaker 4: the universe? And what happens when we die? Today we

2:02 Speaker 4: explore these questions from a perspective that challenges conventional religion, science,

2:08 Speaker 4: and our understanding of human origins. My guest is a

2:11 Speaker 4: religious scholar from the Ralian movement in the worldview that

2:16 Speaker 4: proposes humanity was created by an advanced extraterrestrial intelligence known

2:22 Speaker 4: as the Alohem. We're not here from mockery, for blind

2:25 Speaker 4: belief or easy answers. We're here because of curiosity, philosophy,

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3:06 Speaker 4: And with that being said, I'm joined by Rob. How

3:10 Speaker 4: you doing good? Yeah? Thank you for having me. I've

3:13 Speaker 4: had the Rabbi sorry is Leon?

3:18 Speaker 6: Yeah?

3:18 Speaker 2: Leon?

3:20 Speaker 4: Yes, and I had a fantastic, fantastic conversation with him.

3:24 Speaker 4: And through line for me has always been that if

3:26 Speaker 4: humanity was created by intelligence that's beyond Earth, what does

3:31 Speaker 4: that reveal about our meaning, our consciousness, our destiny, our future?

3:36 Speaker 4: You know, what does that say about our place in

3:39 Speaker 4: the world?

3:40 Speaker 2: Right?

3:40 Speaker 4: Because if God didn't create us, but almost like a

3:45 Speaker 4: advanced scientist race of beings tinkered with us, Like is

3:49 Speaker 4: that why the secrecy is because they don't want us

3:52 Speaker 4: to know who our creator is? Is that too much

3:54 Speaker 4: for people? So I have all these questions, you know,

3:56 Speaker 4: just for listeners who are encounting this worldview for the

3:59 Speaker 4: first time, how would you describe the Raelian movement the

4:02 Speaker 4: perspective in a thoughtful, grounded way A couple of sentences? Yeah,

4:06 Speaker 4: so the Raelian movement is a religion.

4:11 Speaker 2: We are.

4:13 Speaker 4: Our priority is to welcome back.

4:15 Speaker 5: They still watch us and observe us after they created

4:18 Speaker 5: us a long time ago, but they're kind of waiting

4:22 Speaker 5: to see us develop, like watching a child figure out

4:27 Speaker 5: how the world.

4:28 Speaker 4: Works, right really quick?

4:30 Speaker 2: Yeah?

4:31 Speaker 4: What is what? What are the alohein? They're people, right,

4:35 Speaker 4: They're there. They created us in their image. The best

4:38 Speaker 4: way I.

4:38 Speaker 5: Could describe them as people, they are from another planet,

4:42 Speaker 5: so you could say extraterrestrial, but you know, you say extraterrestrial,

4:46 Speaker 5: and people think all kinds of different things. And I

4:49 Speaker 5: think it's really important to kind of ground their their nature.

4:54 Speaker 4: And how they relate to us.

4:55 Speaker 5: That they're people like us, and they went through all

4:58 Speaker 5: their civilization, went through all the same troubles that we're

5:00 Speaker 5: going through now, and hopefully we can overcome our problems.

5:05 Speaker 5: It's like how they overcame Theirs.

5:08 Speaker 4: Okay, and Eloheim, if I'm not mistaken, Eloheim is Messenger,

5:16 Speaker 4: are those who came from the sky those, yes, those

5:19 Speaker 4: who came from the sky. It's Hebrew from the Torah.

5:23 Speaker 4: And kind of whether Jewish people went wrong is they

5:27 Speaker 4: translate Eloheim as God, right? But what the Ralian movement

5:34 Speaker 4: is saying is no, no, no, is not You didn't

5:37 Speaker 4: translate it exactly correctly.

5:39 Speaker 5: It is.

5:40 Speaker 4: You know, it's a messenger from above, right. We may

5:44 Speaker 4: look at that through a different lens as God, but

5:48 Speaker 4: they're just like you and us. They're just from a

5:49 Speaker 4: different planet. So is that kind of make put it

5:54 Speaker 4: together for people who don't know?

5:56 Speaker 2: Yeah?

5:57 Speaker 4: Yeah, because, like I said, extraterrestrial.

5:58 Speaker 5: You know, people can be kind of care of that

6:00 Speaker 5: maybe or alien invaders or whatever, this guy or that guy, right, Yeah,

6:05 Speaker 5: but you know when they come back and they come

6:09 Speaker 5: out and they reveal themselves and they looked like a

6:12 Speaker 5: human being, that might kind of surprise some people.

6:15 Speaker 2: Maybe. Yeah.

6:17 Speaker 4: And there's I mean, we'll get to it. There's tons

6:18 Speaker 4: of cases where there was beings that came out of

6:22 Speaker 4: the graft looking just like human beings, and you know

6:26 Speaker 4: they maybe they were a little shorter, a little taller, given,

6:29 Speaker 4: but the that was all there, like it was the

6:34 Speaker 4: five point head, two arms, two legs. So you know,

6:38 Speaker 4: I find that to be interesting. You probably are more

6:41 Speaker 4: familiar than I.

6:42 Speaker 5: But like no one ever, any anyone that's claimed to

6:45 Speaker 5: have been abducted or had a visitation, they're never like,

6:47 Speaker 5: oh this dude had like eleven legs and tentacle arms,

6:50 Speaker 5: and like you never sul you never hear that story, right.

6:52 Speaker 4: No, the craziest parts are like, oh, the maddest beings, right, Oh,

6:59 Speaker 4: they looked like insects or whatever. And it's like, well,

7:02 Speaker 4: you could also be there could be some sort of

7:05 Speaker 4: technology where they screen, like they screen you from seeing

7:09 Speaker 4: what they actually are, right. So I mean, and then

7:13 Speaker 4: people with false memory people input things to kind of

7:17 Speaker 4: like shield themselves from trauma. So who knows what those

7:22 Speaker 4: memories what they were actually, you know, but most of

7:26 Speaker 4: abduction stories are just you know, they took me, kind

7:29 Speaker 4: of like we take cows, tag them, put them back, right,

7:34 Speaker 4: So I don't know what's going on there, but I

7:36 Speaker 4: mean it's something I find to be interesting.

7:40 Speaker 2: Right.

7:41 Speaker 4: If the elohem and these extraterrestrials or these UFOs that

7:45 Speaker 4: we are talking about, if they are the same, why

7:47 Speaker 4: are they taking us?

7:50 Speaker 5: Rail has said that there are no alien abductions, so

7:55 Speaker 5: it's fake, right, So I mean, I know you probably,

7:57 Speaker 5: like I said, you probably have a lot more knowledge

7:59 Speaker 5: and experience into the researching this stuff, and surely some

8:03 Speaker 5: of your listeners do too. But yeah, he explains that

8:08 Speaker 5: anyone coming from space is friendly because to have the

8:13 Speaker 5: technology to escape your solar system, it also gives you

8:19 Speaker 5: the technology to destroy yourselves, right, and if you're a

8:24 Speaker 5: violent or an aggressive civilization, you're gonna do that first

8:27 Speaker 5: before you make it to another planet.

8:29 Speaker 4: So there's no there's no abductions. Well, it could be

8:35 Speaker 4: my lab. Have you ever heard of my lab? My

8:38 Speaker 4: lab is like a military abduction, So it's military posing

8:42 Speaker 4: as alien, like that's the cover. Sure, I think that's

8:46 Speaker 4: probably like, what is an abduction? Sounds like a more

8:49 Speaker 4: human thing, doesn't It doesn't sound like an advanced species thing.

8:53 Speaker 4: It sounds like a primitive human kind of deal.

8:57 Speaker 5: Right, because like maybe a long time ago we kind

9:01 Speaker 5: of did this, and certainly we still have zoos. Right,

9:03 Speaker 5: But when we observe animals and you want to watch

9:05 Speaker 5: them in the wild and you care about the animals,

9:07 Speaker 5: you don't.

9:08 Speaker 4: You don't disturb them.

9:09 Speaker 5: You set up like a camera, yes, you leave it right,

9:12 Speaker 5: and you just like record, you know what I mean? Right?

9:15 Speaker 4: So, yeah, abduction doesn't seem like.

9:19 Speaker 5: Even if you were in advanced civilization trying to like

9:22 Speaker 5: study another civilization, I don't know that you would like

9:26 Speaker 5: traumatize people by by doing that.

9:28 Speaker 4: Surely you've like overcome that, right, right, right, and that

9:32 Speaker 4: may it does make sense? It does? And uh with that,

9:36 Speaker 4: I mean, with that being said, do you do you

9:39 Speaker 4: see this disbelief system the Raelian movement? Do you do

9:45 Speaker 4: you see it as a religion, a philosophy, science, a

9:50 Speaker 4: synthesis of all three? Is it? Yeah? I mean I

9:54 Speaker 4: guess you could say it's all three. I mean, I think.

9:58 Speaker 5: Every religion has like a philosophy aspect to it. But

10:02 Speaker 5: I would say it's a religion, right, We're here to

10:08 Speaker 5: unite together and welcome back our creators and understand our origins.

10:15 Speaker 4: And to develop a more peaceful society. Interest.

10:22 Speaker 5: So I think in that sense it's very much a religion.

10:24 Speaker 2: Yeah.

10:25 Speaker 4: So what do you think the difference between like say,

10:30 Speaker 4: Christianity and Realianism is, like, aside from the obvious, like

10:37 Speaker 4: different perspectives, because people will say, like, this isn't a religion,

10:41 Speaker 4: this is right, like what defines a religion because occult

10:46 Speaker 4: versus a religion? Right, people label things a cult versus religion. Really,

10:50 Speaker 4: in my experience, the only difference is the leaders dead

10:54 Speaker 4: right right, Yeah, I mean the person who started it

10:57 Speaker 4: dies becomes a religion, right, Yeah. I think the difference

11:00 Speaker 4: is like Christianity as a cult and we're not. Isn't

11:03 Speaker 4: it funny? How kind of the dichotomy of it is

11:07 Speaker 4: where people see Christianity as like it's the religion, when

11:11 Speaker 4: in fact it's not. Most places outside of the United

11:15 Speaker 4: States are not like mainly Christian I mean, this is

11:20 Speaker 4: kind of a newer religion. It's in fact, i'd say

11:25 Speaker 4: out of the big three, I'd say it's the most

11:28 Speaker 4: recently formed. Well Islam I mean technically was founded?

11:33 Speaker 1: Oh is it?

11:33 Speaker 4: Is it?

11:33 Speaker 2: After?

11:36 Speaker 4: Interesting? Okay? Well again for me, it's like it's this

11:41 Speaker 4: is why I find it easy to not I don't

11:44 Speaker 4: need to like pick one. I'm like, okay, wait, what

11:47 Speaker 4: if what if all of them have a piece of

11:49 Speaker 4: the puzzle? Why can't And again, you know we were

11:52 Speaker 4: talking off air. It's the Tyra Bible. Why are we

11:56 Speaker 4: we're talking different languages, right, We're living in places with

12:00 Speaker 4: fake imaginary borders you can only see from a map

12:03 Speaker 4: that you draw, not from space. For sure, the borders

12:07 Speaker 4: aren't there. We speak, we look a little different, like

12:12 Speaker 4: a united humanity. I don't think there's anything we couldn't

12:15 Speaker 4: do yeah, but divided will fall. Yeah, so I agree?

12:20 Speaker 6: Is that?

12:21 Speaker 4: What is the core message of Realianism? To love one another?

12:28 Speaker 5: That's all everything is is to yeah, overcome our aggressiveness

12:33 Speaker 5: and to to not ignore our differences, but to embrace

12:37 Speaker 5: them and love people even though they may be different.

12:41 Speaker 4: And how has this affected you? Like, how are you

12:46 Speaker 4: pre Realianism? I mean, what changed for you?

12:52 Speaker 5: It's like, it's kind of like a hard answer for

12:55 Speaker 5: me because I first discovered it when I was like fifteen,

13:00 Speaker 5: So so I've been railing a long time.

13:02 Speaker 4: Yeah, oh I thought you would. Maybe I was thinking

13:08 Speaker 4: about this well maybe I thought you had converted it later,

13:12 Speaker 4: but maybe I'm misspoken. No, I mean interesting, Yeah, so

13:16 Speaker 4: you found Ralianism at a pretty young age. How'd you

13:19 Speaker 4: do that?

13:20 Speaker 5: Well? Kind of like you said, all these religions have

13:23 Speaker 5: these different pieces of the puzzle. So at that time,

13:28 Speaker 5: I felt like either all of these religions were wrong, right,

13:35 Speaker 5: which right many atheists probably certainly think and conclude right,

13:41 Speaker 5: or they're all right. It didn't make sense to me

13:44 Speaker 5: that like, Okay, this one religion has the answer and

13:47 Speaker 5: like everybody else in the world is wrong, right, Like

13:51 Speaker 5: that's just I don't know, man, that just didn't sit right.

13:54 Speaker 2: Yeah.

13:55 Speaker 5: So so you know, it's a long story, but I

13:59 Speaker 5: found the Railian message and that kind of like wrapped

14:03 Speaker 5: it all together for me and kind of like explained

14:07 Speaker 5: how all these different religions are connected because we say

14:13 Speaker 5: that the Yellowhim sent and taught all these prophets. So

14:16 Speaker 5: like Jesus and the Buddha and Muhammad, all of these

14:19 Speaker 5: were prophets of the Yellowhim. So all these religions have

14:25 Speaker 5: a trace root back to them.

14:27 Speaker 4: So kind of Relianism is kind of like saying like, hey, guys,

14:32 Speaker 4: you're all again, you're all on the right path, but

14:35 Speaker 4: you're you're seeing it the wrong way.

14:37 Speaker 5: Yeah right, You've.

14:39 Speaker 4: Kind of like it's a limited hangout you've created, and

14:42 Speaker 4: when in fact, all these prophets, Muhammad, Jesus, you've created

14:46 Speaker 4: all these religions for they were all from the same thing.

14:51 Speaker 4: And that's this bigger picture that with the Alohim, so

14:55 Speaker 4: Jesus and Muhammad they were both from messages of Aloheim,

14:58 Speaker 4: is what you're saying.

14:59 Speaker 5: Okay, of course, now there's fundamental differences, right because they've

15:03 Speaker 5: people a long time ago misunderstood and mistrains it and

15:06 Speaker 5: blah blah blah, and so now they all believe in

15:08 Speaker 5: a supernatural god or souls and blah blah blah. But

15:14 Speaker 5: this is just primitive people not understanding what they're being

15:19 Speaker 5: taught or shown.

15:20 Speaker 4: Right. I think one of the episodes of your show that.

15:23 Speaker 5: I watched, you talked about cargo cults, right, and and

15:29 Speaker 5: I mean that's the history of the world's religion is

15:33 Speaker 5: just a giant.

15:34 Speaker 4: Giant cargo cult. I mean, look across continents, we build

15:38 Speaker 4: these pyramids and they're all the same architecture. You see

15:44 Speaker 4: that similar architecture all around the world, and we're taught

15:47 Speaker 4: that none of them ever talked to each other, right,

15:50 Speaker 4: that before a certain time, you know, this culture didn't interact.

15:54 Speaker 4: There's no possible way that these people had any connection.

15:59 Speaker 4: Yet the bird men with purses and on every continent,

16:03 Speaker 4: they're building pyramids on every continent. So if you're telling

16:09 Speaker 4: me that none of them spoke, then what I see

16:13 Speaker 4: is they were all seeing the same thing. Yeah, exactly, right,

16:17 Speaker 4: fair enough.

16:18 Speaker 5: Certainly, like different cultures have different myths that vary, but

16:23 Speaker 5: for being so separated, there's a lot of similarities and

16:29 Speaker 5: a lot of commonalities, and so that was just some

16:31 Speaker 5: of the things that I thought of, like what what

16:35 Speaker 5: is the thread that links all of these together?

16:40 Speaker 4: And that's where I. That's that's why I and I.

16:44 Speaker 4: You know, people like say that, oh, Ty, you just

16:47 Speaker 4: talk about UFOs, you talk about this like you know,

16:51 Speaker 4: extra true. I'm like, no, it's not that. That's not

16:55 Speaker 4: the that's not the core question. My core question is,

16:59 Speaker 4: you know, why do you think that human beings across

17:01 Speaker 4: cultures felt felt compelled to ask questions about the meaning

17:07 Speaker 4: about our perspective, our God and origins. Right, So, for you,

17:14 Speaker 4: from your worldview, you know, what is the deeper purpose

17:17 Speaker 4: of human life? It can't just be to wait for

17:21 Speaker 4: these people to return, No, no, no, of course not.

17:25 Speaker 5: It's to enjoy life though they created us out of

17:28 Speaker 5: love too, to enjoy being.

17:31 Speaker 4: Alive and to just enjoy pleasure.

17:35 Speaker 5: So it's not it's not, you know, to serve them

17:40 Speaker 5: or to you know, earn a place in heaven or

17:44 Speaker 5: something like this, just about enjoying life.

17:48 Speaker 4: I mean, you said heaven, you know, so do you

17:51 Speaker 4: not think that there's a heaven or a hell or

17:54 Speaker 4: any of those? Right? Because so, what is the soul

18:00 Speaker 4: if there if there is no soul, what is consciousness? Like,

18:04 Speaker 4: what is that spark inside of us? Because I look

18:07 Speaker 4: at you, right, I look and I know that that

18:10 Speaker 4: that you're there, that there's not humans sparking you. For instance,

18:14 Speaker 4: like when I was in the room when my mom passed,

18:17 Speaker 4: I watched it go that spark. I watched it go,

18:20 Speaker 4: And so there's something tangible to it. So what is that?

18:26 Speaker 6: Right?

18:26 Speaker 5: Well, I mean you kind of just said it right,

18:28 Speaker 5: it's something tangible. So Rayel has explained that, like there's

18:32 Speaker 5: there's a what do you want to say, like a

18:35 Speaker 5: collection or like a group of neurons in your brain,

18:39 Speaker 5: which is your consciousness. So it's it's literally something physical.

18:43 Speaker 4: And so you're saying the brain creates consciousness.

18:47 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean like he's never like given like the

18:51 Speaker 5: details on it. And I kind of, you know, my

18:53 Speaker 5: own ideas are like, you know, I wonder if like

18:56 Speaker 5: all the cells in your body you're conscious or something,

18:59 Speaker 5: and then this is just kind of whatever's in your brain.

19:02 Speaker 4: It's just sort of like the the center of the

19:06 Speaker 4: web in.

19:09 Speaker 2: Like that.

19:09 Speaker 5: So but that's just you know, I do a lot

19:12 Speaker 5: of other reading and stuff and you know, listen to

19:15 Speaker 5: things too. Of course, and so that's just kind of

19:17 Speaker 5: my own speculation.

19:18 Speaker 4: But but there's no soul, so you know, inism, there's

19:23 Speaker 4: no soul.

19:24 Speaker 5: Yeah, there's no like astral body or like ethereal thing

19:28 Speaker 5: that like possesses this right, right, It's not something that

19:34 Speaker 5: then like goes off somewhere else and.

19:37 Speaker 4: Becomes you know, like you're in this form but like

19:41 Speaker 4: astray and then you keep going like that always seem

19:44 Speaker 4: a lot off to me, I will admit like that,

19:46 Speaker 4: like ghosts for instance, Right, I think ghosts are they're

19:51 Speaker 4: not like it doesn't it's not but unfinished business. It's

19:54 Speaker 4: like an echo. It's an echo of the atoms and

19:58 Speaker 4: stuff that made you up that are tethered to a place.

20:01 Speaker 4: It's like a it's an echo in and it's like

20:03 Speaker 4: kind of like replays. That's why, like ghosts can't hurt

20:08 Speaker 4: you if they're even a thing, right, I think they're

20:11 Speaker 4: more so like us seeing the past almost. It's like

20:16 Speaker 4: but we can get into that a little bit. A

20:17 Speaker 4: little bit later. I heard this story and I want

20:21 Speaker 4: to ask you about it. There was this group of

20:25 Speaker 4: Reliance that went to France and they meet up with

20:32 Speaker 4: Real himself and they're outside this either airport or conference center,

20:38 Speaker 4: and it's like fifty fifty people and one person says,

20:46 Speaker 4: look up, look up, and they look up and there's

20:50 Speaker 4: these two balls of light and all of a sudden,

20:55 Speaker 4: this cottony substance starts to fall. Can you tell me

21:00 Speaker 4: about this? How do you know this?

21:03 Speaker 2: I know?

21:03 Speaker 4: Yeah, and you weren't there. No, it was there, Okay, Yeah,

21:09 Speaker 4: I don't know when this was, like, you know, the

21:11 Speaker 4: seventies or the eighties or something, but that's fifty innocence.

21:17 Speaker 5: Yeah, And I spoke with well, all right, So on

21:21 Speaker 5: the Netflix documentary about Us, they interviewed I forget his name,

21:25 Speaker 5: like Jean Paul Solnier or something, and I met him

21:30 Speaker 5: and he was one of the Aralians that we was

21:33 Speaker 5: there and saw this stuff. He only spoke French, so

21:37 Speaker 5: like you know, he was like sitting in front of

21:40 Speaker 5: me and someone else was like translating for me, and

21:43 Speaker 5: I was kind of only half paying attention, but whatever,

21:45 Speaker 5: and so anyway, he saw this and yeah, it was

21:49 Speaker 5: like the snowy cotton stuff. It's it's talked about in

21:54 Speaker 5: the Ralian book the Messages we call it, where it's

21:58 Speaker 5: explained to be like the same kind of thing that's

22:00 Speaker 5: in the Bible.

22:01 Speaker 2: Like the.

22:03 Speaker 4: I was a man, I'm literally jat th I was going.

22:07 Speaker 6: Yeah.

22:07 Speaker 4: So anyway, so Jean Paul explained that he he and

22:11 Speaker 4: some others.

22:12 Speaker 5: Like tried to take it and like put it in

22:14 Speaker 5: a test toe, but like as soon as they touched it,

22:16 Speaker 5: it would fall apart, almost like a picture like cotton candy.

22:20 Speaker 5: You know how it like kind of melts in your mouth. Yeah,

22:22 Speaker 5: so it's like just something about even your hand is

22:25 Speaker 5: like too warm for it and just falls apart. So

22:27 Speaker 5: they tried to like scoop it into a test tube

22:29 Speaker 5: without touching it, and I think it stayed there for

22:31 Speaker 5: like a little while, but after a few hours or

22:33 Speaker 5: a day or something.

22:34 Speaker 4: It was gone. And that's crazy. Yeah, that's because I

22:38 Speaker 4: was gonna say this the story sounds familiar. Yeah, and

22:41 Speaker 4: I go, why does it sound so familiar to me?

22:43 Speaker 4: And I'm thinking, I'm going, oh shit them, and I

22:48 Speaker 4: just it clicked and I went, oh my god, like

22:51 Speaker 4: funny always say that, Oh my God. I was like,

22:54 Speaker 4: holy crap, that's so do you think this is? This

22:57 Speaker 4: was some sort of like hey you guys around the

23:00 Speaker 4: right track? Yeah, visitation Why wouldn't they come down? Why

23:04 Speaker 4: wouldn't they come Like, why wouldn't they come down? I

23:07 Speaker 4: mean that's the question everyone's gonna ask, right Sure. Yeah, So,

23:09 Speaker 4: I mean the whole point of the Railing movement is

23:11 Speaker 4: to welcome the Yello Hem. But we want to do

23:13 Speaker 4: it like officially.

23:14 Speaker 5: So is this whole thing about building an embassy for

23:17 Speaker 5: him as Leon alluded to as like the third Temple

23:20 Speaker 5: of Jerusalem. So we the Yellow Him asked us to

23:24 Speaker 5: build this embassy because they want to come down for

23:27 Speaker 5: the whole world. Like they don't want to just like

23:29 Speaker 5: land in front of the White House, right, because then

23:32 Speaker 5: it's like, oh, like do they only care about Americans, right,

23:35 Speaker 5: not like Chinese people or whatever? So or but then

23:38 Speaker 5: are they going to like land one hundred and eighty

23:40 Speaker 5: four or however many countries are they going to do this?

23:43 Speaker 5: And you know they want like legally recognized and politically

23:48 Speaker 5: neutral territory where they have an embassy that's recognized as

23:53 Speaker 5: an embassy where they can come down.

23:55 Speaker 4: And how how much work has gone into making this

24:00 Speaker 4: reality lot embassy? Yeah?

24:03 Speaker 5: I mean so we you know, we have the blueprints

24:06 Speaker 5: for it, that's all all set. I've seen the video

24:08 Speaker 5: like of what it. Yeah, it would look like it's

24:12 Speaker 5: like a renda. There's like a three D like you

24:14 Speaker 5: walk through it.

24:14 Speaker 4: Whatever. Looks pretty cool. Yeah, so just flying glasses coming

24:18 Speaker 4: in like, yeah, that would be a cool world. Yes.

24:21 Speaker 5: Yes, So last year we announced that a country had

24:30 Speaker 5: like signed paperwork to work with us in determining a

24:35 Speaker 5: site to build this really so uh if I knew,

24:42 Speaker 5: I couldn't.

24:43 Speaker 4: Say although understood the paperwork that they signed, ah said

24:50 Speaker 4: that they would announce you know, they would effectively announce

24:54 Speaker 4: it this year, and this plot of land that they're

24:57 Speaker 4: giving would then not it would be like a city

25:00 Speaker 4: state almost. It's not it's it doesn't ceases to become

25:04 Speaker 4: that country. It's neutral ground because that's what an embassy

25:07 Speaker 4: would be. Yeah, in the sense that like any embassy

25:11 Speaker 4: is in another country.

25:12 Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, okay, you know you wouldn't say, like Chinese

25:16 Speaker 5: embassy is a city state, right.

25:19 Speaker 4: Right, right?

25:20 Speaker 6: Right?

25:20 Speaker 4: Right? Okay? Yeah, maybe wrong wordage there. Do you do

25:25 Speaker 4: you believe that humanity is evolving primarily in technology, consciousness,

25:34 Speaker 4: and morality or all of the above. Do you think

25:38 Speaker 4: one thing's driving it more than the other.

25:40 Speaker 5: Maybe just technologically, right, you know, maybe we've gotten better

25:44 Speaker 5: over the centuries, a little less barbaric in some places

25:49 Speaker 5: more than others. Maybe this is kind of like a big,

25:54 Speaker 5: big point that we talk about because, Ah, the reason

25:59 Speaker 5: that the other decided to send another profit rayel and

26:05 Speaker 5: is because we've reached this age where we have the

26:10 Speaker 5: technological capacity to destroy ourselves. Yes we do, right, So

26:16 Speaker 5: humanity faces a decision of doing that or using its

26:23 Speaker 5: scientific knowledge to help people and create effectively a paradise.

26:29 Speaker 5: So we have the technology, we do right, Certainly we've evolved,

26:34 Speaker 5: the technology part, the ethical or moral part, you know,

26:41 Speaker 5: I think the verdict.

26:41 Speaker 4: Is out right, you know. And that's the crazy part

26:45 Speaker 4: to me, is we have the ability to solve most problems, yes,

26:51 Speaker 4: or we don't want to, but like, don't hold back.

26:54 Speaker 5: I mean, what if we have the capacity solve all problems?

26:59 Speaker 5: Like how does a how does that change how you

27:01 Speaker 5: look at the world?

27:02 Speaker 4: Well, it changes, you know, drastically, because I remember there

27:05 Speaker 4: was winters. You know, I didn't come from a silver

27:09 Speaker 4: spoon family. I mean, my dad, I shouldn't have said that.

27:15 Speaker 4: Can you mark the time? I gotta take that part out.

27:19 Speaker 4: Doesn't have time, It doesn't have a time there's no

27:24 Speaker 4: time for things. My family would gamble away money and

27:43 Speaker 4: spend the money on drugs, and we wouldn't have hot water, right,

27:48 Speaker 4: we wouldn't have much food. And this is the winter.

27:52 Speaker 4: We're talking about winter Massachusetts, you know, like it's happening

27:55 Speaker 4: right now. Like I if and if that, if if

28:00 Speaker 4: I find out we've had zero point energy or we've

28:03 Speaker 4: been able to pull from the ether the vacuum, and

28:06 Speaker 4: that this whole infrastructure has been is not needed, that

28:12 Speaker 4: would hiss me off, right, Yeah, yeah, because that means

28:18 Speaker 4: somewhere there's someone who has made the decision actively to

28:23 Speaker 4: suppress this sort of technology. And I think it's true.

28:27 Speaker 4: I think the US government, while not be it. You know,

28:30 Speaker 4: the US government is a vague thing. It's a big,

28:33 Speaker 4: large thing. There is a section of it, quote unquote

28:36 Speaker 4: deep state, the cabal, call it whatever you want. I

28:39 Speaker 4: call them dickheads. Right, they've decided, And you know what,

28:44 Speaker 4: I'm even to the point where I am fairly confident

28:48 Speaker 4: the people that are running the Epstein's, the Ditties, the

28:52 Speaker 4: Harvey Weinstein's, those are that's the deep state. If you're

28:56 Speaker 4: blackmailing the most powerful, can you uh politically, geopolitically, would

29:05 Speaker 4: you would you say that the United States President is

29:07 Speaker 4: one of the most powerful people in the world. Yeah, right, right,

29:11 Speaker 4: I mean, if you're blackmailing that person, who are you

29:16 Speaker 4: working for? I think we might be dealing with the

29:19 Speaker 4: same thing. The people that are infusing themselves with children's blood,

29:26 Speaker 4: like openly talking about it, like and abusing minors. I

29:35 Speaker 4: think those are the same people that are hiding all

29:38 Speaker 4: this ship from us because they see themselves above us,

29:41 Speaker 4: right as it's almost like a breakaway civilization they've created. Right.

29:48 Speaker 4: But there's like a meme of someone saying, like the

29:53 Speaker 4: earth is the hotel and we're just the staff something right, right,

29:57 Speaker 4: So it's already it's pretty spot on you. So my

30:02 Speaker 4: big thing is why are they observing us? If they

30:09 Speaker 4: are observing us constantly, why would they let this happen?

30:14 Speaker 2: Yeah?

30:14 Speaker 4: And is it like I get the answer, they can't interfere, right,

30:19 Speaker 4: because that would change the course of this. So this

30:22 Speaker 4: is the free will YadA YadA. I don't know if

30:26 Speaker 4: that's a good enough answer.

30:27 Speaker 5: I know, yeah, And I've talked to you know, people

30:30 Speaker 5: about this before, and it's often not a good enough answer.

30:34 Speaker 5: And you know, I don't know that I have something

30:37 Speaker 5: that would be so consoling. But it's kind of like

30:42 Speaker 5: the question, like what if we had all the technology

30:46 Speaker 5: to do it right. Well, we have the capacity to

30:50 Speaker 5: hold these people accountable and to serve justice and to

30:54 Speaker 5: know better than to do this, to do those acts right.

30:59 Speaker 5: So yes, they could come and interfere and and maybe

31:04 Speaker 5: that would help, but it's not their role to come

31:06 Speaker 5: down and be police officers either, right, Like.

31:10 Speaker 4: We're all we're adults. Here, a very good point.

31:13 Speaker 5: We can sort this out ourselves, not because because they

31:19 Speaker 5: want us to figure it out, but because we're responsible

31:22 Speaker 5: for our own actions and it's not their responsibility too

31:28 Speaker 5: to come down and do that.

31:31 Speaker 4: Right, you know what, that's a good fair point. That's

31:33 Speaker 4: a fair point.

31:34 Speaker 5: You know.

31:34 Speaker 4: It's like sometimes maybe you have to let the kid

31:38 Speaker 4: fall so he can ru.

31:40 Speaker 5: Right, yeah, but then you know, to play devil's advocate

31:44 Speaker 5: against myself would be like if you see two kids

31:48 Speaker 5: like punching each other and you know, yeah, you know

31:53 Speaker 5: you might want to separate them. So like, but here's

31:56 Speaker 5: the thing too, is like maybe them see us and

32:00 Speaker 5: they see that we don't want their help. They've sent

32:04 Speaker 5: how many profits they've said, there's a profit here now

32:07 Speaker 5: right out right, and we don't want to talk to

32:11 Speaker 5: him so about it, and we.

32:12 Speaker 4: Don't listen to their advice.

32:14 Speaker 5: We don't listen to them for how many aliens are

32:17 Speaker 5: there compared to eight billion people in the world they

32:21 Speaker 5: see playing the people that you know aren't interested, aren't ready,

32:25 Speaker 5: maybe not even ready, right, might not be. And and

32:29 Speaker 5: so when they come back, like, there's still going to

32:32 Speaker 5: be people that aren't ready. Even if they came back

32:34 Speaker 5: to the embassy and said, hey, we want to help,

32:38 Speaker 5: you're going to have religious people that think they're the devil.

32:42 Speaker 4: You're going to have a bunch of.

32:45 Speaker 5: Skeptics that think they're alien invaders just masquerading the rest.

32:51 Speaker 4: And then you're also gonna have the people that say

32:53 Speaker 4: it's not even really happening, right, so, like there's just

32:56 Speaker 4: a for it's like there's no winning for them. You know,

32:59 Speaker 4: I could see that. Do you think that if we

33:01 Speaker 4: started trading nukes they might be that might be like

33:06 Speaker 4: and I know that I've walked nuclear controllers into members

33:11 Speaker 4: of Congress right It's office to brief them about UFO

33:14 Speaker 4: sightings over a nuclear bases where they interfered with the weapons,

33:19 Speaker 4: like they didn't interfere with them, like take them away.

33:22 Speaker 4: They flicked them on, made us pee ourselves, and then

33:27 Speaker 4: turned them back off. Right, It's not like they set

33:30 Speaker 4: one off or or disarmed and disabled it and it

33:35 Speaker 4: was never able to be brought back online. They it's

33:39 Speaker 4: like a message. When I asked Bob Sallie, Dave Shindiley,

33:45 Speaker 4: I mean, when I asked, what was the message, get

33:49 Speaker 4: rid of these fucking things.

33:50 Speaker 5: Yeah, get rid of these fucking things.

33:52 Speaker 4: That's what he said. Yeah.

33:54 Speaker 5: And they say, they all saying the messages in Peace

33:56 Speaker 5: Maryland that nuclear weapons are the next stream danger for humanity.

34:01 Speaker 4: So it's it's the thing that could and will destroy us.

34:06 Speaker 4: All the progress we've made, everything we've done, every bit

34:12 Speaker 4: of history exists on this blue rock, all of it

34:17 Speaker 4: gone with the beause the next one that goes off

34:20 Speaker 4: is the last one that goes off.

34:22 Speaker 5: Sadly, that's my perspective. Yeah, because we didn't like stop

34:27 Speaker 5: it with the bomb at Hiroshima.

34:29 Speaker 4: Right, we go, Hey, we got another one, right.

34:31 Speaker 5: Right, We made them bigger and better and faster, and

34:34 Speaker 5: you know, and now they're supersonic, yes, right, yes, and

34:38 Speaker 5: there you can't defend that that's checkmate all day, and

34:43 Speaker 5: Russia is getting dangerously close to saying yeah, if I

34:48 Speaker 5: can't have it, nobody can, and now it's scary.

34:52 Speaker 4: Yeah.

34:53 Speaker 5: So what Rail recommends is actually that all countries have

34:56 Speaker 5: nucleus the opposite. It's it seems counterintuitive, Yeah, everyone can

35:02 Speaker 5: have a gun. Well, the way I see it is,

35:05 Speaker 5: if you're a country with a nuke, then you don't

35:07 Speaker 5: get invaded by the United States. Right, it's easy to

35:14 Speaker 5: stop the bully if if you don't ever fight bad. Yeah,

35:19 Speaker 5: it sounds dangerous, right, but everyone has a nukele then

35:22 Speaker 5: but then everyone becomes afraid. Right, this isn't the answer

35:26 Speaker 5: of uh.

35:28 Speaker 4: I thought about that one. Yeah, this wouldn't be like,

35:32 Speaker 4: oh wow.

35:32 Speaker 5: Humanity is wise enough to overcome it's violence. No, it's

35:36 Speaker 5: they were fucking stupid enough to they all got nukes.

35:39 Speaker 5: Now they're all too afraid of each other.

35:42 Speaker 4: So they're like, okay, well.

35:43 Speaker 5: Now that everyone has a nuke, maybe we can all disarm, right,

35:46 Speaker 5: because you don't want to be like one of the

35:47 Speaker 5: six countries with the nukes and the whole world's asking

35:50 Speaker 5: you to disarm.

35:52 Speaker 4: Right, It's like, and let's be fair, if an invader

35:56 Speaker 4: ever came from the sky. Invader, not that Alohim. If

36:02 Speaker 4: anything ever came from the sky, that would probably be

36:03 Speaker 4: our defense, right, That's that's our ultimate power, that's our weapon. Sure, right, So,

36:11 Speaker 4: and that's where I get a little nervous with the

36:13 Speaker 4: messages from like what do you think that when I

36:16 Speaker 4: asked the nuclear controllers, what do you think the message was?

36:20 Speaker 4: What was the UFO by shutting ten nukes off that

36:23 Speaker 4: are analogue, mind you, separated by miles. To shut one

36:28 Speaker 4: of these things off in the year nineteen sixty seven,

36:32 Speaker 4: you would have needed a small army, and they ten

36:36 Speaker 4: at once. It didn't happen, right, Like, it doesn't happen.

36:41 Speaker 4: It did, right, it did, and it's happening all the time.

36:46 Speaker 4: And in Russia a modern day Ukraine, former Soviet Union,

36:51 Speaker 4: they didn't turn them off. They turned them on. And

36:56 Speaker 4: I think that was the same message. It was for

37:00 Speaker 4: more aggressive people, right, so for the United States, who

37:04 Speaker 4: in the Cold War wasn't the aggressor, so to say,

37:07 Speaker 4: Russia was the big scary one for us. They turned

37:11 Speaker 4: them off and they showed that hey, just because these

37:14 Speaker 4: are your most powerful weapons doesn't mean they are ours.

37:17 Speaker 4: We could take control of these at any time. But

37:19 Speaker 4: in Russia they showed, hey, this is what it looks

37:22 Speaker 4: like when you almost start World War three and they

37:24 Speaker 4: get a little fear inside them. So I think I

37:27 Speaker 4: think the could that be someone trying to trick us

37:32 Speaker 4: into disarming because that is our only weapon against them?

37:35 Speaker 4: I think it's just them like kind of pinpointing and highlighting,

37:39 Speaker 4: like you see what I'm saying, though, I do like, hey,

37:43 Speaker 4: we're gonna pretend to be this angelic force that's here

37:47 Speaker 4: for good. Oh oh oh, So you think like me,

37:49 Speaker 4: I don't think I'm speculating. Sure, Okay, yeah, I wasn't fair.

37:55 Speaker 4: I wasn't saying, like you know, Jeff I because yeah,

37:58 Speaker 4: sixty thousand, I gotta make sure that I allegedly allegedly So,

38:06 Speaker 4: so you're wondering that it's if it's possible that disarm

38:14 Speaker 4: us to so that they could invade us, so that

38:18 Speaker 4: that we wouldn't have no weapon that they could we

38:20 Speaker 4: could use against that everything else is inferior, right, splitting

38:24 Speaker 4: at him that that that nuclear technology is actually the

38:28 Speaker 4: only thing that's keeping What if that's the only thing

38:31 Speaker 4: that's keeping these things from just being sightings? And not

38:34 Speaker 4: because a lot of people ask, oh no, if they

38:36 Speaker 4: if they wanted us gone, they would have. We would

38:38 Speaker 4: have been gone a long time ago. No one wants

38:42 Speaker 4: to rule over dust and ash, right, So they're not

38:46 Speaker 4: going to just flick an asteroid at us from the

38:48 Speaker 4: asteroid belt and go, we'll just wait out the world

38:50 Speaker 4: to again, right, No, they don't want to rule over

38:53 Speaker 4: a dust and ash. They want to rule over the

38:56 Speaker 4: paradise that we have, right, And what if the nuclear

39:01 Speaker 4: weapon is the only thing that's holding them back? Yeah,

39:04 Speaker 4: I mean, so to be clear, right, yeah, yeah, Like

39:09 Speaker 4: just to reiterate or clarify, like we would say that

39:14 Speaker 4: all extraterrestrial civilization contact would be peaceful inherently, inherently because

39:21 Speaker 4: they've grown past this idea of self.

39:24 Speaker 5: Distraction, right right, right, But to indulge speculation, if you

39:29 Speaker 5: can disarm or almost set off a nuke, surely it's

39:35 Speaker 5: not a threat that you're not threatened by the nukes, right,

39:38 Speaker 5: So you don't actually care, right, So.

39:44 Speaker 4: I don't know's it's.

39:47 Speaker 5: Just hard for me to imagine because it's just like,

39:50 Speaker 5: what would they gain from like coming down and invading us.

39:55 Speaker 5: It would be so dependent on whatever else you thought, right, like,

39:58 Speaker 5: there's because I don't think you and invade like we

40:00 Speaker 5: think okay, okay, right, hear me out. I don't think

40:04 Speaker 5: you invade with like the way we see an invasion, right,

40:09 Speaker 5: like what we did in Iraq for instance, right for

40:12 Speaker 5: better or worse, Like just just look at that or Vietnam.

40:15 Speaker 5: That's an invading force, right, that's coming to your door.

40:19 Speaker 5: They're coming over that border. But if you're going to

40:21 Speaker 5: infiltrate the world, right, you got to get them to

40:25 Speaker 5: think one way, right, you gotta get them to you

40:28 Speaker 5: gotta you're playing us to be different here and there.

40:32 Speaker 4: Just like you said in the beginning, right, So it's

40:34 Speaker 4: not just the Americans you need. You need the Chinese

40:36 Speaker 4: on board. So you're gonna you're gonna divide and conquer

40:40 Speaker 4: a little bit, and you're gonna play the good guy

40:42 Speaker 4: that's here, that's here to to bring you into paradise,

40:47 Speaker 4: to bring you over the finish line. That sounds great.

40:53 Speaker 4: When has anything been that good? And when and if

40:56 Speaker 4: it is that good, is it always true? Because for me,

40:59 Speaker 4: there's always catch somewhere. So what if they're just like,

41:02 Speaker 4: what if this idea of the trickster like Loki right,

41:07 Speaker 4: the trickster. They come bearing false prophets or false prophecies will,

41:15 Speaker 4: so just as much as we hear about the good stuff,

41:18 Speaker 4: there's the bad as well, because there's a yin and yang.

41:21 Speaker 4: So I don't believe that all extra any non human intelligence,

41:27 Speaker 4: by definition is life outside of Earth. Right, Angels, demons,

41:33 Speaker 4: the gin, they all fall into that category of non

41:36 Speaker 4: human intelligence. They're not all good though, but they're not

41:39 Speaker 4: all bad. So I'm just saying could sell and be

41:45 Speaker 4: posing as the good guy in order to trick us

41:48 Speaker 4: because they want what we have, and what we have

41:52 Speaker 4: may be special consciousness the soul if you will, I

41:57 Speaker 4: know you don't. Again, I'm coming up against found fundational

42:00 Speaker 4: problems in Relianism for a reason. Yeah, because what if

42:03 Speaker 4: we do? Because like, have you ever heard of bob'zar?

42:07 Speaker 5: Yeah, but I don't really like I don't know much

42:10 Speaker 5: about them. Okay, I know the name, and I know

42:12 Speaker 5: he's how uh prolific he is right in the UFO

42:17 Speaker 5: like yesh, Yeah, so he.

42:20 Speaker 4: Uh he was the guy who broke like he was

42:22 Speaker 4: the whistleblower from inside Area fifty one. Okay, you know,

42:27 Speaker 4: the George Nap and he had said something about how,

42:32 Speaker 4: in the briefings he was given, the military had concluded

42:37 Speaker 4: that at least one of the species visiting Earth he

42:44 Speaker 4: saw us as containers batteries if you will. Yeah, I've

42:47 Speaker 4: heard this. So again I'm just throwing everything because again

42:51 Speaker 4: I don't believe in one thing. I'm trying to see

42:53 Speaker 4: the world is and as neutral as possible. Yeah, So

42:57 Speaker 4: I'm just not so quick to say welcome.

43:00 Speaker 5: Yeah right, sure, right, And this is what I alluded to,

43:03 Speaker 5: and the difficulty the yellow he will have when they

43:06 Speaker 5: come back, right, because it's not just this, but it's

43:08 Speaker 5: facing Christians that are going to be like, well, you're

43:11 Speaker 5: the devil and rails, the anti Christ.

43:13 Speaker 4: And so I guess my question being is how do

43:16 Speaker 4: we know that Elohim, who ray Al has been in

43:19 Speaker 4: contact with, right, how do we know that they are

43:23 Speaker 4: who they say they are?

43:24 Speaker 5: M Yeah, I don't know if I have like a

43:28 Speaker 5: crystal clear fair answer, that's fair.

43:31 Speaker 6: Right.

43:31 Speaker 4: There's an element of trust.

43:32 Speaker 5: I suppose on our part faith, sure, but I guess

43:39 Speaker 5: I just think, like like you said, like if something

43:42 Speaker 5: was going to happen, I think it would have already happened, Okay.

43:47 Speaker 4: And there's no there's no answer that I don't that's

43:50 Speaker 4: the right answer, I think, sure, right, I guess I'm

43:52 Speaker 4: just posing the question. Yeah, maybe rhetorically too. I don't

43:58 Speaker 4: know actually, because I how do you answer that? Right?

44:05 Speaker 4: What is Ryale's I'm sorry? I was kind of like,

44:09 Speaker 4: I feel like I always inflecting the wrong vowel. How

44:12 Speaker 4: does rat? How do you say it? Real? So it

44:16 Speaker 4: is a long a ray? Yeah? Okay? What has he

44:21 Speaker 4: said about them? What do they look like? What do

44:24 Speaker 4: they what do they feel like? What's their vibe like?

44:28 Speaker 5: What's peaceful and happy and friendly? When when he met them,

44:33 Speaker 5: they looked like like people, like humans. He described them

44:37 Speaker 5: as being a little shorter and with like a greenish

44:40 Speaker 5: skin tone.

44:43 Speaker 4: Interesting, Yes, I think.

44:45 Speaker 5: The messages in his book he writes like as if

44:49 Speaker 5: they had liver trouble or something.

44:52 Speaker 4: You know. But but here's here's here's here's the thing though.

44:57 Speaker 5: It was like, you know, that calls to mind like

45:01 Speaker 5: little green men.

45:03 Speaker 4: Right for me now, just because I'm outside of that mentality,

45:07 Speaker 4: but I see what you're saying. When you say that's

45:09 Speaker 4: like an average pressure, they're gonna go oh right, he said,

45:12 Speaker 4: shorter and green? Oh yeah, yeah.

45:14 Speaker 5: But they have this technology where they could upload their

45:18 Speaker 5: minds into new bodies, so they could appear as anything.

45:23 Speaker 4: Oh so it could maybe you know, maybe they do

45:28 Speaker 4: look like.

45:28 Speaker 5: Us in their human order, but maybe they took this

45:30 Speaker 5: form that was a little archetypical, little kind of classic

45:35 Speaker 5: science fiction. He just to appear a little more familiar

45:39 Speaker 5: to Rayl in that kind of way, a little bit

45:42 Speaker 5: kind of what.

45:42 Speaker 4: I said earlier, screen memory kind of or that would

45:45 Speaker 4: be the ultimate screen memory. That's reality being changed. But

45:49 Speaker 4: I see what you're saying.

45:49 Speaker 5: Yeah, So when they first appeared to him, they came

45:52 Speaker 5: down and flying saucer and you know, had the blinking

45:54 Speaker 5: light and it was very slow and kind of decebidly,

45:57 Speaker 5: you know, kind of how you imagine space craft would

46:02 Speaker 5: kind of be.

46:03 Speaker 4: He said it was blinking. Yeah, there was a blinking light.

46:07 Speaker 4: Did he say a color perhaps that you can remember.

46:10 Speaker 5: Yeah, but don't quote me, because it's like there's a

46:13 Speaker 5: light on top of the light on the bottom, and

46:15 Speaker 5: one is red and one is white. I don't know which.

46:19 Speaker 5: I don't I don't think it. I don't know if

46:20 Speaker 5: it matters right right, Maybe I don't know. In lines, Yeah,

46:25 Speaker 5: So but on subsequent appearances. They came all at once,

46:30 Speaker 5: the spacecraft. It just like appeared like out of nowhere.

46:34 Speaker 4: Right, So they had this technology to do that.

46:40 Speaker 5: But to make someone who's unfamiliar with them and put

46:44 Speaker 5: them at ease, they kind of do the.

46:46 Speaker 4: Whole self down a little.

46:48 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, not dumb yourself down, right, but like do

46:54 Speaker 5: something a little more expected. We're familiar, right, You're.

46:57 Speaker 4: Not gonna want to scare the person. You can want

47:00 Speaker 4: to come as like again, see that's where I get

47:05 Speaker 4: that that trickster all of it. Yeah, so inherently by

47:09 Speaker 4: changing who you are, it's do you not agree that

47:13 Speaker 4: that is? It's not and and again it's not deceptive

47:18 Speaker 4: for like the wrong reason the way you say it. Right,

47:22 Speaker 4: they're trying to look the part that you you know,

47:24 Speaker 4: to not freak you out two, bring you in slowly

47:28 Speaker 4: kind of in phases. Right, I see the why you

47:32 Speaker 4: would do that. But do you see why someone might

47:35 Speaker 4: also say that's deceitful? Yeah, I mean I do. Yeah,

47:39 Speaker 4: so again that's just my mindset. So but but but

47:43 Speaker 4: I think that is the right way to do it.

47:45 Speaker 4: I think it's to ease someone in, like come as

47:47 Speaker 4: something familiar and then at the more that you know

47:51 Speaker 4: that their brain allows, you know, give them. Then you

47:56 Speaker 4: start showing up instantly, you know, the facades kind of

48:00 Speaker 4: going away. It's becoming more normal. So you can start

48:03 Speaker 4: to open it up a little bit, literally, open the aperture,

48:07 Speaker 4: write a little bit, a little bit more light for

48:09 Speaker 4: the person. So I get it.

48:12 Speaker 5: But but to counter all this, if you're the yellow him, like,

48:15 Speaker 5: what are you supposed to do? It's impossible to Yeah,

48:20 Speaker 5: it's right, because you know it's funny to me. After this,

48:27 Speaker 5: we'll take a quick break.

48:30 Speaker 4: But you know it's funny to me. Is this idea

48:36 Speaker 4: of little green men? Right? Sure? Where did it come from?

48:46 Speaker 4: It's recent, I'll tell you that. Oh man, I don't

48:50 Speaker 4: know like.

48:53 Speaker 2: That.

48:54 Speaker 4: I might go as far back as like fairies. Yeah, yeah, okay.

48:58 Speaker 4: Jeacqu Valet would say the same, very prominent researcher. He

49:01 Speaker 4: says that the fairies are the whole idea of it.

49:04 Speaker 4: If you just swap words, it's modern day UFOs and aliens. Sure, right,

49:10 Speaker 4: it's the same thing. But yes, you're you're on you're

49:14 Speaker 4: on something there. But it also pop culture. Pop cultures

49:21 Speaker 4: created this idea. But is that art reflecting life or

49:26 Speaker 4: is it life reflecting, I would argue that it is

49:30 Speaker 4: the latter that the archetypal alien is actually drawn because

49:38 Speaker 4: Spielberg consulted with Jay Allen Heinek, the lead astronomer on

49:45 Speaker 4: Project Blue Book, so he was investigating cases for the

49:48 Speaker 4: US Army, right they were. Spielberg was given that access,

49:55 Speaker 4: so he took like the craft and Close Encounters, right,

49:59 Speaker 4: it lights up, it's a disc. It gives the guy

50:02 Speaker 4: a sunburn at one part, remember, right, that's physiological effects.

50:06 Speaker 4: Those are intricate details, very intricate details. And they're communicating

50:14 Speaker 4: with this species not through English but through music because

50:19 Speaker 4: music is universal, right, so you start breaking these ideas

50:23 Speaker 4: down fundamentally. Obviously, he tweaked things for his movie right

50:29 Speaker 4: to his life because his mother was a music engineer

50:32 Speaker 4: and his father was a scientist, and he bridged the

50:34 Speaker 4: gap like Close Encounters literally for him is bridging that gap.

50:39 Speaker 4: But he had access to all the real military files

50:44 Speaker 4: on how these craft looked, operated, the beings that were reported.

50:49 Speaker 4: So no, it's people go, oh, Close Encounters, that's where

50:53 Speaker 4: it all comes from. This alien back Now, it comes

50:57 Speaker 4: from the Project Blue files, and those were they on

51:00 Speaker 4: real casework, real people's sightings. So it's art imitating life.

51:06 Speaker 4: So it doesn't even matter if there's an archetype that's

51:10 Speaker 4: what they want. Some it doesn't surprise me that they

51:16 Speaker 4: would look a little different, but the humanoid but a

51:19 Speaker 4: little different, right, So that's never bothered me. But what

51:24 Speaker 4: bothers me is when people reduce it to little green

51:28 Speaker 4: men and like laugh about it. A lot of that

51:31 Speaker 4: comes from like South Park, believe it or not. Their

51:35 Speaker 4: episode first episode was Alien Probe Carpment, So really the

51:39 Speaker 4: first first episode is that episode. It's it's making fun

51:44 Speaker 4: of Whitley Streeber because Whitley Streeber is the guy who

51:48 Speaker 4: talks about being probed by an alien, like being taken

51:52 Speaker 4: and probed by an alien. Yeah, I think it only

51:54 Speaker 4: would know like Barney Hill and Betty and Barney Hill.

51:57 Speaker 6: Yeah.

51:58 Speaker 4: So again it can all be traced back to pop

52:01 Speaker 4: culture references, and I think that is I mean, we

52:04 Speaker 4: know with Project un Operation Mockingbird that the US government

52:12 Speaker 4: was influencing media to fix their narrative. We know that

52:18 Speaker 4: they're influencing what we see and what we hear in

52:22 Speaker 4: movies and TV to guide us a certain way. And

52:26 Speaker 4: again to you talked about how we needed that archetypal alien.

52:32 Speaker 4: They changed to be a little bit more familiar, right

52:36 Speaker 4: maybe and they so you see where I'm going with it. Yeah, okay,

52:42 Speaker 4: So what does ray Al say about it comes down?

52:47 Speaker 4: It's a craft? Is the craft like legitimately a disc?

52:53 Speaker 4: Then does that open up and beings come out and

52:54 Speaker 4: grab them? He describes it as a flattened bell.

52:59 Speaker 5: So that mean actually, I don't know, maybe this or

53:03 Speaker 5: maybe that guy up there, but you know, kind of

53:06 Speaker 5: like a curve, like a low curve, and.

53:08 Speaker 4: Then like right, you know, and then it lands.

53:14 Speaker 5: I don't know, hovers I guess above the ground a

53:17 Speaker 5: little bit, and then like the stairway comes out and

53:19 Speaker 5: that's when.

53:20 Speaker 4: And then they invite him off, not force full, right,

53:24 Speaker 4: and they're of flesh, yes, of flesh and whatever. Yeah,

53:30 Speaker 4: and they sit in two chairs. Really they talk, yeah

53:35 Speaker 4: and really yeah, and like you know this is they

53:38 Speaker 4: take him anywhere in the second encounter.

53:43 Speaker 5: So his first encounter with them was in nineteen seventy three, right,

53:48 Speaker 5: and then in nineteen seventy five they took him to

53:50 Speaker 5: their planet, yes, which is similar. It also happens to Mohammad.

53:55 Speaker 4: What is their planet called? What did he say, I

53:59 Speaker 4: don't think they they didn't have like a name for it.

54:02 Speaker 4: It's interesting. What did did he say?

54:04 Speaker 5: What?

54:04 Speaker 4: It looked like.

54:06 Speaker 5: Beautiful and at least the area he was in was

54:08 Speaker 5: kind of like tropical.

54:11 Speaker 4: Architecture anything.

54:14 Speaker 5: The buildings were kind of like like shells, like seashell

54:21 Speaker 5: kind of looking. A lot of the furniture was like

54:26 Speaker 5: a fur kind of material, but almost as if it

54:29 Speaker 5: were alive, not like a pelt, but as if you know,

54:33 Speaker 5: something that's cool, Yeah, unusual vegetation colors seaweed that you

54:41 Speaker 5: could see, and it looked like a rainbow under the water,

54:44 Speaker 5: you know.

54:45 Speaker 4: So this idea of colors again comes up. Sure, so

54:49 Speaker 4: he was seeing like arguably more color than you would hear, right,

54:52 Speaker 4: is what you're saying.

54:54 Speaker 5: You know, I mean are like green, right, But like

54:57 Speaker 5: I don't know if you can create life, you know

54:59 Speaker 5: that skill and technical and gets better over time even

55:03 Speaker 5: for them, so they can, Well.

55:05 Speaker 4: I wonder if you see me saw like if there

55:07 Speaker 4: was colors that like aren't on our spectrum, and like

55:10 Speaker 4: it was almost like a bit overwhelmed, like seeing a

55:12 Speaker 4: new color like super vibrant.

55:15 Speaker 5: Like maybe, but like it's still your same eyes, right, Yeah,

55:18 Speaker 5: you can't, like, so you can't certenly see new things, right,

55:23 Speaker 5: you can't actually, Oh you can't.

55:25 Speaker 4: Yeah, So I mean your eye gets like the think

55:28 Speaker 4: about the green blue dress, do you remember that? Like

55:30 Speaker 4: the mean, so I can trick your eye into seeing

55:33 Speaker 4: something color? Wow?

55:35 Speaker 5: Yeah, and you can. So that's not like the spectrum, right, Yeah,

55:40 Speaker 5: we only so our.

55:41 Speaker 4: Eyes are only capable of seeing like a certain percentage

55:45 Speaker 4: of the visible light spectrum, right, because then you go

55:48 Speaker 4: an ir and like that's all on the same spectrum.

55:51 Speaker 4: So I wonder if he goes to this place and

55:55 Speaker 4: his eyes are seeing like the remnants he can't actually

55:59 Speaker 4: see it, but it's the remnants of like like a

56:03 Speaker 4: higher dimensional like evolved planet of being. It's it's in

56:09 Speaker 4: it because it comes up in other cases.

56:11 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's interesting because it's never that's never been the

56:13 Speaker 5: impression I got.

56:15 Speaker 4: This is why I love to talk to him about

56:16 Speaker 4: that encounter. Those encounters, so he he gets he sees

56:21 Speaker 4: them twice. When does he officially create the Raelian movement

56:26 Speaker 4: after the first sighting before the second?

56:29 Speaker 5: Yeah, so after the first encounter he creates it. But

56:32 Speaker 5: it's known as Maddock, which is like a French acronym

56:37 Speaker 5: for movement for welcoming the yellow Him or something like that.

56:42 Speaker 5: And then after the second encounter he kind of reshapes

56:46 Speaker 5: it into the Raelian movement.

56:51 Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, and the Raelian beliefs suggest that that humanity

56:56 Speaker 4: was created. So this is where he comes back and says,

56:59 Speaker 4: you know, humanity was created by disadvanced intelligence. How should

57:06 Speaker 4: we understand that idea, like in a nonsensational way, if that.

57:11 Speaker 5: Makes sense, What do you mean sensational way?

57:14 Speaker 4: How should we understand these ideas about the Alohat being

57:22 Speaker 4: not God but our creator? How should we see that?

57:28 Speaker 5: We should see them as equals even though they've created us,

57:33 Speaker 5: They created us in their image, and one day we too,

57:37 Speaker 5: if we get everything right and we're peaceful and can

57:41 Speaker 5: figure it out, one day we too will create life

57:43 Speaker 5: on another planet. So we're just a link in this

57:47 Speaker 5: infinite chain. And so they want to be seen and

57:53 Speaker 5: want to see us as equals to them. Yes, they're

57:56 Speaker 5: more technologically advanced, but in terms of feeling at one

58:02 Speaker 5: with the universe and in more spiritual or meditative ways,

58:07 Speaker 5: were equal to them. So they want us to see

58:10 Speaker 5: them as equals. And that's a lot different than being

58:14 Speaker 5: afraid of alien invaders or being confronted with a god

58:18 Speaker 5: who demands worship, demands many things. Yes, and so I

58:24 Speaker 5: think that's that's a really important distinction in something unique

58:29 Speaker 5: to the alien beliefs interest your standing should say.

58:34 Speaker 4: So, they want us to know that they are no better. Right,

58:41 Speaker 4: they might be, their intelligence level might be above us,

58:46 Speaker 4: but it's only because maybe they've had more time. They

58:48 Speaker 4: don't want us to see them as gods. They want

58:51 Speaker 4: us to see us equal, that we're all like, you know,

58:54 Speaker 4: this idea of something I've been thinking about lately. Why

58:59 Speaker 4: did men, men and gravitate towards each other? Right? Why

59:04 Speaker 4: did we seek in our in like the early primitive

59:10 Speaker 4: you know, caveman like that era. Why did we come

59:14 Speaker 4: together out of the darkness? We came together and stood

59:19 Speaker 4: with each other instead of you know, just going through life,

59:25 Speaker 4: you know, just you and your family or whatever right

59:28 Speaker 4: we built, we sought each other out and formed these groups.

59:36 Speaker 4: And it's like we're almost doing that on a cosmic

59:38 Speaker 4: scale now, sure, yeah, we're coming out of our infancy.

59:44 Speaker 6: And you know.

59:47 Speaker 4: It's it's just a it's a parallel for me, right,

59:50 Speaker 4: the man of the cave man, Right, again, they it's

59:54 Speaker 4: the progression. It's now we're we're not discovering five, we're

1:00:00 Speaker 4: discovering space travel. Right, We're on the next step. It's

1:00:06 Speaker 4: the next scale, it's the next step, it's the next frontier,

1:00:10 Speaker 4: they even call it. Right, And we're looking out into

1:00:15 Speaker 4: this cold or what we seem to think is this cold,

1:00:19 Speaker 4: dark abyss that we call the cosmos, and we need

1:00:25 Speaker 4: a little warmth, right, So I find a really interesting

1:00:29 Speaker 4: parallel there, and it's like we need a companion to

1:00:34 Speaker 4: take this ride with, to show us the ropes, to

1:00:37 Speaker 4: show us what's really out there. Right. We need to

1:00:39 Speaker 4: come together. We don't need to keep fighting each other,

1:00:43 Speaker 4: we need to come together. So it's interesting. So when

1:00:47 Speaker 4: we come back, I want to kind of really dive

1:00:50 Speaker 4: into some some things beyond you know, just the surface

1:00:58 Speaker 4: level like things. But before we kick off, before we

1:01:03 Speaker 4: take the break, what do you think that if Rayal

1:01:10 Speaker 4: was here himself speaking to someone who maybe like got

1:01:15 Speaker 4: this bad rap from the media coverage, what do you

1:01:19 Speaker 4: think he would want them to hear? What message about Ralianism?

1:01:24 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean our most fundamental value is freedom, and

1:01:28 Speaker 5: so I think the way the media has portrayed us

1:01:32 Speaker 5: in the past is that we're being manipulated by a

1:01:36 Speaker 5: charismatic cult leader being robbed of our money. But I

1:01:41 Speaker 5: mean that's obviously that's not happening. But if you don't

1:01:46 Speaker 5: like the movement, you're free to leave. You don't have

1:01:49 Speaker 5: to to stay. We're not trying to force people against

1:01:54 Speaker 5: anything against their will.

1:01:58 Speaker 4: Interesting and what.

1:02:01 Speaker 5: Yeah, so to enjoy your life, be happy, whether you're

1:02:04 Speaker 5: Ralian or not. We're not here to convert people. We're

1:02:06 Speaker 5: only here to inform.

1:02:08 Speaker 4: It's interesting you guys have never like it's been aggressive

1:02:12 Speaker 4: towards me, like trying to like, it's never felt like

1:02:15 Speaker 4: someone's trying to convert me. It's like you just want

1:02:18 Speaker 4: to be heard. Yeah, and that's I find that to

1:02:21 Speaker 4: be incredibly interesting. So because you know, it's it's very

1:02:26 Speaker 4: open and almost the opposite of what I would think.

1:02:30 Speaker 4: Like you look at a real cult like Scientology, they

1:02:35 Speaker 4: would black the windows out on you, right, right, They

1:02:38 Speaker 4: literally won't let you leave.

1:02:41 Speaker 5: Yeah, right, once you're deep.

1:02:42 Speaker 4: In, Like that's a cult, right, Scientology, I think we

1:02:46 Speaker 4: can agree. Yeah, Scientology is like.

1:02:49 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I don't think I've heard like a

1:02:51 Speaker 5: good thing about it. Yeah, but people probably haven't heard

1:02:53 Speaker 5: a good thing about the Railian Movement.

1:02:55 Speaker 4: Either, exactly. You know, that's not to be an apologetic

1:02:59 Speaker 4: for science. What do you think some of the fail

1:03:01 Speaker 4: like failures have been media wized, like like what do

1:03:05 Speaker 4: you think? What do you think that some things that

1:03:08 Speaker 4: you wish didn't happen? We like all of it? I mean,

1:03:13 Speaker 4: what's what's the uh?

1:03:17 Speaker 5: I don't know what the refined answer is, right, I

1:03:19 Speaker 5: don't know.

1:03:20 Speaker 4: Maybe maybe maybe there's a nice way. What was the lady?

1:03:23 Speaker 4: Who's the lady that was trying to like create like genetically? Yeah,

1:03:28 Speaker 4: so doctor Bridget Boisselier was the the founder and director

1:03:33 Speaker 4: of Why was that so like defsive?

1:03:36 Speaker 5: Because it was happening in the United States and people

1:03:42 Speaker 5: are very religious or people like fundamental Yeah, people like

1:03:46 Speaker 5: to either people aren't very religious until they're like threatened

1:03:51 Speaker 5: and then they're like, no, I'm super religious, you know.

1:03:54 Speaker 5: So yeah, so there's a lot of fundamental Christians here

1:04:00 Speaker 5: who yeah, I thought we were playing God didn't like

1:04:04 Speaker 5: that idea, And can you say, wese their opinion?

1:04:08 Speaker 4: You know, because like should we even be saying we

1:04:12 Speaker 4: in that situation? Like what was it the Raelian Movement

1:04:17 Speaker 4: trying to clone it or was it just her? No,

1:04:19 Speaker 4: she was a Rallian.

1:04:21 Speaker 5: She was railing us and she was supported and encouraged

1:04:24 Speaker 5: by ray L.

1:04:25 Speaker 4: Yes.

1:04:25 Speaker 5: Oh okay, okay, but it wasn't like a Rallian you

1:04:30 Speaker 5: see what I mean?

1:04:30 Speaker 4: Like I could be Christian and be a murderer. Doesn't

1:04:33 Speaker 4: mean Christians are murdering or that are advocating for murder, right,

1:04:38 Speaker 4: you see what I'm saying. So this was actually like, okay,

1:04:42 Speaker 4: we we support what you're doing, because again, if our

1:04:45 Speaker 4: creators are scientists, yeah we can right.

1:04:50 Speaker 5: So this kind of ties back into two things that

1:04:53 Speaker 5: we were talking about earlier. Is one I mentioned that

1:04:58 Speaker 5: the only thing can upload their minds into new bodies.

1:05:02 Speaker 4: This is part of a process that they used to

1:05:04 Speaker 4: have achieved eternal life. So you clone a new body,

1:05:09 Speaker 4: that's right.

1:05:10 Speaker 5: You clone a new body for your your body, yep,

1:05:15 Speaker 5: you and they have a technique to accelerate its growth,

1:05:17 Speaker 5: so you're not waiting like twenty years for to be

1:05:20 Speaker 5: re uploaded into a new body or whatever. And then

1:05:22 Speaker 5: the mental mind uploading, So cloning is this first step

1:05:28 Speaker 5: towards eternal life. And so that's why we were so

1:05:32 Speaker 5: like and again if consciousness wasn't.

1:05:37 Speaker 4: Right, if it weren't physical. Yeah, if it weren't physical,

1:05:42 Speaker 4: you couldn't pull it off. Yeah, because it's like up, Okay,

1:05:45 Speaker 4: I see where you're going.

1:05:46 Speaker 6: Yeah.

1:05:46 Speaker 4: So, and then the other thing was and you couldn't

1:05:50 Speaker 4: do this if consciousness wasn't right, You really couldn't. I

1:05:55 Speaker 4: mean I don't think so. Yeah, if consciousness was some

1:05:58 Speaker 4: sort of a theory old like like spirit thing, you

1:06:03 Speaker 4: couldn't like put that into a clone and have it work.

1:06:07 Speaker 4: It would need to be something that could be transferred, right,

1:06:10 Speaker 4: And so that makes an interesting case for that.

1:06:12 Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's probably scary if you're like a Christian,

1:06:14 Speaker 5: You're like, you don't even want to know what the

1:06:17 Speaker 5: theological applications are of that, right, right. But you know,

1:06:21 Speaker 5: earlier I also mentioned like we have the technology to

1:06:24 Speaker 5: make the world like a better place and we just

1:06:26 Speaker 5: don't utilize it. And I mean we we know we

1:06:30 Speaker 5: can clone things, right, even if you don't buy into

1:06:36 Speaker 5: cloning helping to achieve eternal life or whatever, Like if

1:06:40 Speaker 5: your child died in an accident and you could like

1:06:45 Speaker 5: bring him back to life, yeah, you know, like or something,

1:06:50 Speaker 5: or just like my cat died and I just want

1:06:53 Speaker 5: my cat back. You know, that's something simple and kind

1:06:56 Speaker 5: of more innocuous. But there's there's a world that we're

1:07:01 Speaker 5: missing out on because religious fundamentalists are afraid of it.

1:07:07 Speaker 5: That would be challenges their beliefs.

1:07:10 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a hard debate too, Like, and this was

1:07:13 Speaker 4: the thing whether we should just be throwing around like, hey,

1:07:17 Speaker 4: my cat.

1:07:17 Speaker 5: Died, I don't want the same cat, but like that,

1:07:21 Speaker 5: maybe that like sounds stupid or something.

1:07:23 Speaker 4: No, it doesn't, but it's like for me, it sounds

1:07:25 Speaker 4: all too powerful because I would clone my dog in

1:07:29 Speaker 4: order to never lose it. Sad, sad to say, but

1:07:32 Speaker 4: I would do it right. I would be selfish and

1:07:35 Speaker 4: do it. And this was our I think that's where

1:07:38 Speaker 4: people think, maybe maybe that they think it's selfish because

1:07:42 Speaker 4: maybe they think loss is supposed to like that that

1:07:45 Speaker 4: is supposed to be a part of life. But who said?

1:07:48 Speaker 4: Who said that death is supposed to be something that

1:07:51 Speaker 4: we have to write through?

1:07:52 Speaker 5: I think like learning to deal and overcome the fear

1:07:55 Speaker 5: of death is an important part of life.

1:07:58 Speaker 4: But we all enjoy being a You shouldn't, I fucking

1:08:02 Speaker 4: love it, right, you shouldn't not enjoy it?

1:08:04 Speaker 5: I think it's okay to want to continue living. And

1:08:06 Speaker 5: if that means cloning, like I think that's okay too.

1:08:11 Speaker 4: Yeah, Crisper, we see like it's already it's going to

1:08:14 Speaker 4: someone's going to do it. It's not a matter of

1:08:17 Speaker 4: if or when. I mean, it's not a matter of if.

1:08:21 Speaker 4: It's a matter of if it went. Yeah, someone's going

1:08:25 Speaker 4: to do it. Yeah the Chinese like someone, someone's going

1:08:30 Speaker 4: to do it. And then whoever does unlock that. I mean,

1:08:37 Speaker 4: that's it. That the world will never be the same

1:08:42 Speaker 4: ever ever, And.

1:08:43 Speaker 5: That's our role as Rallians is to say like it's okay,

1:08:47 Speaker 5: Like this isn't something you have to be afraid of.

1:08:49 Speaker 4: This can be beneficial, this could be normal, right, interesting, Okay,

1:08:55 Speaker 4: let's take a little break. This has been heavy. But

1:08:58 Speaker 4: this is exactly why I reached out for someone who

1:09:00 Speaker 4: is a religious scholar, specifically someone who could take this

1:09:05 Speaker 4: kind of discussion that many people can believe it or not.

1:09:08 Speaker 4: I mean, I'm not like technically about someone who's a

1:09:13 Speaker 4: religious person who's yes of a certain like caliber. So

1:09:19 Speaker 4: with you were asked to be a Ralian guide. What

1:09:23 Speaker 4: does that mean?

1:09:25 Speaker 5: I mean the quickly I guess, yeah, like the dumbed

1:09:30 Speaker 5: down way to say it would be like it's.

1:09:32 Speaker 4: Like a Raelian priest, that's what you call it. Like

1:09:37 Speaker 4: someone who's in a little bit, like someone who's facilitating

1:09:40 Speaker 4: the factory, like a leader or a representative of the organization.

1:09:45 Speaker 4: I like the word better guide. It's like, you know,

1:09:49 Speaker 4: it's someone who's teaching you clearly, so and you turn

1:09:52 Speaker 4: that down. No, So you are okay, okay, so interesting. Okay,

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1:12:02 Speaker 4: with that being said, let's get back into it. How

1:12:06 Speaker 4: we doing good? All right? Kind of jumping, you know,

1:12:10 Speaker 4: right back into it. I kind of want to go

1:12:13 Speaker 4: into UFOs and contact and modern sightings. Do you believe

1:12:18 Speaker 4: that modern UFO sightings may represent continued observation or contact.

1:12:24 Speaker 2: With the aloeene?

1:12:25 Speaker 5: Yeah?

1:12:26 Speaker 4: Starting kind of simple, Yeah, So can you elaborate?

1:12:32 Speaker 1: Sure?

1:12:33 Speaker 5: Like lots of people have sightings of UAPs and UFOs

1:12:40 Speaker 5: or whatever, and I do think, you know, many of

1:12:45 Speaker 5: them are the allowheen.

1:12:48 Speaker 2: Trying to.

1:12:52 Speaker 5: Build interest I guess, build to peau people's curiosity m hm,

1:12:56 Speaker 5: so that they'll go looking for an answer.

1:12:58 Speaker 4: What was the thing that I saw?

1:13:00 Speaker 2: You know?

1:13:01 Speaker 4: And you know, hopefully we have the answer for them,

1:13:05 Speaker 4: you know, right, And I mean I know I've seen

1:13:09 Speaker 4: I had a very like broad daylight disc shaped craft

1:13:16 Speaker 4: tree top level that set me on this journey right

1:13:20 Speaker 4: from a young age. And I was never the same after, right,

1:13:26 Speaker 4: And you could argue that I'm only sitting here in

1:13:28 Speaker 4: this chair because of that event and the other one

1:13:32 Speaker 4: with my mother where I saw her essence leave the

1:13:36 Speaker 4: room essentially like a ball of light just leaving the

1:13:39 Speaker 4: room or something coming into the I don't know, but

1:13:49 Speaker 4: it changes people This is the only subject that I've

1:13:53 Speaker 4: ever seen where once people dip their toes or have

1:13:57 Speaker 4: something happen, it's almost like they dedicate the rest of

1:14:00 Speaker 4: their lives to figuring out what they saw. Nothing else

1:14:04 Speaker 4: does that nothing, And that's interesting to me. Why do

1:14:12 Speaker 4: you think reports of UFO encounters often occur near sacred

1:14:18 Speaker 4: locations or strategic sites militarily? We kind of talked about

1:14:23 Speaker 4: the military sites with nuclear weapons and such. I don't

1:14:27 Speaker 4: know about sacred locations, yeah, like Stone End, Yeah, I'm

1:14:33 Speaker 4: not sure. Well, even like pyramids, the pyramids that I've

1:14:38 Speaker 4: ever seen, the Jerusalem footage when they're over they're over

1:14:42 Speaker 4: the temple rock. Yeah, but if it's the one like

1:14:46 Speaker 4: that you're talking about, I think it's not been debunked

1:14:49 Speaker 4: for I know what you're saying. It is not. It's

1:14:52 Speaker 4: the debunkings are because I thought the same thing. I

1:14:56 Speaker 4: was like, oh, it's been debunked, right, Yeah, not not

1:15:00 Speaker 4: not as much as I thought. So. And we know

1:15:07 Speaker 4: that there's these there are these hot spots over the

1:15:11 Speaker 4: planet right all over, whether it's you know, magnetic anomalies,

1:15:18 Speaker 4: you know, perma triangle. There are places on this Earth

1:15:23 Speaker 4: where things aren't the same, and are those what are those?

1:15:28 Speaker 4: Are those? You know, portals or places where the veil

1:15:33 Speaker 4: is thin enough where something can instantaneously you know, that's

1:15:38 Speaker 4: like a it's almost like a beacon, right, and it

1:15:40 Speaker 4: allows them to travel here instantaneously. And that's what our

1:15:44 Speaker 4: eyes observe, is something that arise instantaneously. But maybe that's

1:15:49 Speaker 4: not what is really happening. It's just what we perceive

1:15:52 Speaker 4: it as being. You know, we see these craft doing

1:15:54 Speaker 4: ninety degree turns that would turn any biological creature into jail.

1:16:00 Speaker 4: The g forces would just rip us apart unless what

1:16:04 Speaker 4: we're seeing is an artifact of what it's actually doing.

1:16:09 Speaker 4: Because if I plug in, say I plug in coordinates,

1:16:14 Speaker 4: and now I add time to that coordinate, time as

1:16:17 Speaker 4: a coordinate itself. Now you're positioning your like what you

1:16:23 Speaker 4: just punch in and punch out of this dimension and

1:16:26 Speaker 4: it looks like you're going from point A to point

1:16:28 Speaker 4: B instantly, But what you're doing is you're punching out

1:16:31 Speaker 4: here and you're coming back in here at the exact time,

1:16:36 Speaker 4: at the exact coordinate. You see what I'm saying. So

1:16:38 Speaker 4: what might not be instant to the inside observer, to

1:16:44 Speaker 4: the outside observer. It looks like that, right, and we

1:16:49 Speaker 4: know this to be the case. The twin paradox to

1:16:52 Speaker 4: one twin goes to space, one doesn't. Time moves faster

1:16:56 Speaker 4: for the twin in space relativity, right Einstein. So these

1:17:00 Speaker 4: are things we know, and you know interdimensionality and all

1:17:06 Speaker 4: that has been brought up by people like David Grush.

1:17:09 Speaker 4: And I asked the Rabbi about David Grush, the UFO whistleblower,

1:17:15 Speaker 4: and how he had said that the US government is

1:17:18 Speaker 4: in possession of non human biologics, biologics and craft So

1:17:28 Speaker 4: do you if that's true, do they have the alohem?

1:17:33 Speaker 4: I don't really think so. I might suspect that, you know,

1:17:40 Speaker 4: these crafts that they him send down to pique interest

1:17:44 Speaker 4: and curiosity in people are effectively drones.

1:17:49 Speaker 5: This is all speculation. I don't think Rails ever really

1:17:51 Speaker 5: said anything about this. I would I would guess that

1:17:53 Speaker 5: they're drones.

1:17:57 Speaker 4: Unmanned.

1:17:58 Speaker 5: Yeah, but also the only Heam can create biological robots essentially,

1:18:05 Speaker 5: so so something that could look and act human. But

1:18:13 Speaker 5: I don't know, it doesn't have the consciousness of the way.

1:18:18 Speaker 4: We do, or it could be people have reported that

1:18:22 Speaker 4: the Grays are they move like it's almost like they

1:18:26 Speaker 4: have no no soul. This is what people say. But

1:18:30 Speaker 4: it's like they're cold and calculated.

1:18:32 Speaker 2: Right.

1:18:33 Speaker 4: It sounds like a robot.

1:18:34 Speaker 5: Yeah right, I mean they can.

1:18:35 Speaker 4: Biologically infused robot. Yeah.

1:18:38 Speaker 5: I don't think like the only him wouldn't come down

1:18:39 Speaker 5: here and be like like expose themselves to the danger

1:18:44 Speaker 5: of being shot down.

1:18:46 Speaker 4: Not that I don't. I don't really think we would

1:18:48 Speaker 4: be able to do that.

1:18:49 Speaker 5: But why would you like do that, Why would you

1:18:54 Speaker 5: subject yourself to that or like endanger yourself like that?

1:18:58 Speaker 5: So I don't think I don't necessarily think they themselves

1:19:02 Speaker 5: are coming down here. Okay, so if if the US

1:19:06 Speaker 5: government had uh bogics, I don't. I don't think it's

1:19:13 Speaker 5: it might be from the yellow human. I don't think

1:19:15 Speaker 5: it's like.

1:19:16 Speaker 2: The the yelling.

1:19:17 Speaker 4: Okay, broader question, do you think that there if there's

1:19:23 Speaker 4: one species out outside of this Earth, there has to

1:19:27 Speaker 4: be many. There's infinite yes, infinite? Yeah, So do you

1:19:32 Speaker 4: think that that's we're dealing with?

1:19:34 Speaker 5: Multiple could be. But so this is kind of funny

1:19:37 Speaker 5: how how real describes this is Earth is kind of

1:19:41 Speaker 5: like a no fly zone. That's the kind of phrase

1:19:45 Speaker 5: he uses where well, I mean, like I just said,

1:19:48 Speaker 5: it's we're just so violent and aggressive.

1:19:51 Speaker 4: We we discriminate and.

1:19:54 Speaker 5: Hate each other for the color of our skin or

1:19:57 Speaker 5: the clothes that we wear. I mean people, you know,

1:20:00 Speaker 5: if you wear the job, you know, people have a

1:20:02 Speaker 5: lot of reactions to something like that. So something is innocuous.

1:20:06 Speaker 5: Is just the clothing you aware that you wear can

1:20:10 Speaker 5: can make you the victim of an assault. People don't

1:20:15 Speaker 5: People from space, people from other planets don't want to

1:20:18 Speaker 5: come here because they're not all human.

1:20:21 Speaker 4: They don't look human, right, you know, so they're waiting

1:20:25 Speaker 4: for us to become more peaceful. Too. Interesting. Interesting, So

1:20:30 Speaker 4: there's an infinite but there could be some because with

1:20:35 Speaker 4: every rule there are rule breakers, right sure, So you

1:20:39 Speaker 4: could have you could see a scenario where other maybe

1:20:44 Speaker 4: other species are visiting but trying to stay off the

1:20:50 Speaker 4: radar of this aloheme because you know, they've you know,

1:20:56 Speaker 4: called it a no fly zone. Like, hey, guys, they

1:20:58 Speaker 4: need to be can't We can't interact, right, We need

1:21:02 Speaker 4: to let this play out the way it's got to

1:21:04 Speaker 4: play out, right, and then, like you know, use there's

1:21:09 Speaker 4: civilizations that are more events than us, but less than

1:21:12 Speaker 4: the alow heat yeah, right, yeah, prone to mistakes, prone

1:21:16 Speaker 4: to sure, you know, yeah, making judgment calls then, right,

1:21:20 Speaker 4: you know, I think where you're onto something here. It's

1:21:23 Speaker 4: like we're not the.

1:21:24 Speaker 5: Only humanity that the only Him created. So it could

1:21:28 Speaker 5: be maybe that one of these other humanities has come

1:21:33 Speaker 5: to kind of scout and see what we're about. Because

1:21:37 Speaker 5: the Elham told us that they're not in contact with

1:21:40 Speaker 5: those other humanities. Interesting they didn't give a reason why,

1:21:47 Speaker 5: but I mean because we were the first humanity they created,

1:21:51 Speaker 5: so they are more overtly present or with their creation

1:21:56 Speaker 5: first child.

1:21:58 Speaker 4: Sure, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so you ignore the other

1:22:00 Speaker 4: two children that come after it. Well, you're just like

1:22:03 Speaker 4: a little like a little less like it's not that

1:22:07 Speaker 4: you're less protective, it's not you're willing. You know, you've

1:22:11 Speaker 4: been through the ring before.

1:22:13 Speaker 5: Yeah, now maybe you want to see how it plays

1:22:15 Speaker 5: out without content.

1:22:17 Speaker 4: I think like.

1:22:19 Speaker 5: Kind of like I don't know, hate to say it,

1:22:22 Speaker 5: but like maybe they're their early contact with us is

1:22:25 Speaker 5: has made things challenging for us right too.

1:22:30 Speaker 4: To have these different religions.

1:22:33 Speaker 5: People get very passionate and very violent.

1:22:36 Speaker 4: All the wars, yes.

1:22:38 Speaker 5: Over other people's religions. So it's created a lot of

1:22:43 Speaker 5: issues for us that I think have held us back.

1:22:45 Speaker 5: Right again, we come back to the cloning example, where

1:22:48 Speaker 5: I mean that's strictly a religious fear and apprehension. Yeah,

1:22:54 Speaker 5: it's not scientific, it's not a scientific sca. I think

1:22:58 Speaker 5: people were making that case said that time where it

1:23:01 Speaker 5: was like, well, if you clone a if you clone

1:23:05 Speaker 5: someone and then they grow up and they have all

1:23:09 Speaker 5: these genetic defects, you know, something like that.

1:23:12 Speaker 4: So I think there was a concern there too. But

1:23:15 Speaker 4: you know, people said the same thing about IVF, and

1:23:17 Speaker 4: now people don't give it a second thought, right, So

1:23:20 Speaker 4: absolutely couldn't agree more. Yeah, very interesting.

1:23:26 Speaker 5: So I think with these other humanities, they want to

1:23:29 Speaker 5: see how things play out without their presence.

1:23:35 Speaker 4: So I mean, do you think that the US government

1:23:47 Speaker 4: or any government knows of the existence of this advanced

1:23:53 Speaker 4: being civilization? I don't know.

1:23:56 Speaker 5: Man, Like when I watched your conversation with Leon, I

1:23:59 Speaker 5: kept asking myself this, like, do I think that anyone

1:24:05 Speaker 5: else has like the full picture, the full truth. I don't.

1:24:09 Speaker 5: I don't know.

1:24:10 Speaker 4: I don't think.

1:24:10 Speaker 5: So. I'm surely like there's a lot of evidence that

1:24:15 Speaker 5: governments have crafts where certainly have seen things, ah.

1:24:22 Speaker 4: Like the Vermana's right and the epic of the oh

1:24:28 Speaker 4: sure right, the Vmona's they're they're literally describing flying craft

1:24:34 Speaker 4: right at a time when nothing flew right. And you

1:24:38 Speaker 4: know that is similar to you know, uh, the idea

1:24:43 Speaker 4: of like dragons, like if if if if you're flying

1:24:50 Speaker 4: in like a rocket over ancient Rome, m hm, they

1:24:55 Speaker 4: would say, oh my god, it's a fire breathing dragon. Sure,

1:24:58 Speaker 4: fires coming out one side. It's a it's a long

1:25:02 Speaker 4: elongated thing. So again, are we miss identifying? Could our

1:25:09 Speaker 4: ancestors have been misidentifying? Technology is the core? And you know,

1:25:18 Speaker 4: because I think I actually have high suspicion that the

1:25:23 Speaker 4: Vaticant is actually the original cover up of this idea

1:25:28 Speaker 4: that that we are not alone. I think they were

1:25:31 Speaker 4: in the beginning the Church because they were judge, jury

1:25:34 Speaker 4: and executioner, right, And I think they were the law

1:25:37 Speaker 4: of the land just as much as they were like

1:25:40 Speaker 4: the the moral law of the land, Like the Church

1:25:46 Speaker 4: ruled at one point the rule of the world. And

1:25:52 Speaker 4: you know, I just think that they didn't want this

1:25:53 Speaker 4: o and it began there. So I think the Vaticant

1:25:56 Speaker 4: archives are full of things, you know, from like the

1:25:59 Speaker 4: Life Mary of Alexandria. That could help shed light on

1:26:02 Speaker 4: what others thought, you know, what others were seeing, like

1:26:07 Speaker 4: the Egyptians, because I don't think the modern dynastic Egyptians

1:26:13 Speaker 4: created the pyramids either. I think they're far older. I

1:26:16 Speaker 4: think the dynastic Egyptians inherited them. Because you see that

1:26:20 Speaker 4: with the newer the pyramids that are the oldest are

1:26:23 Speaker 4: the most pristine. How does that work? Once you get

1:26:28 Speaker 4: up to like the bent pyramid, It's like they couldn't

1:26:30 Speaker 4: they couldn't do it. They couldn't figure it out. Again

1:26:34 Speaker 4: those and we've never found a tomb inside of a

1:26:37 Speaker 4: pyramid ever, Not one mummy has ever been discovered inside

1:26:42 Speaker 4: a pyramid, So this idea that their tombs is just ridiculous.

1:26:47 Speaker 5: Yeah.

1:26:47 Speaker 4: And they coordinate to like astrological perfection, yeah something Yes,

1:26:55 Speaker 4: So the base of the pyramid, the circumference of the pyramid,

1:26:59 Speaker 4: like whatever mathematics work out to the speed of light,

1:27:03 Speaker 4: and they're aligned exactly to astronomical north and they mimic

1:27:14 Speaker 4: the three stars of Orion's belt, Like how could you

1:27:19 Speaker 4: do that with your a hunter gatherer society? Yeah, I

1:27:24 Speaker 4: mean a lot of people like ancient Greeks figure out

1:27:27 Speaker 4: the Earth was round. I don't want to discount like

1:27:30 Speaker 4: human genius and ingenuity and you know, people's ability to

1:27:36 Speaker 4: have figured that out. But that stuff, some of that

1:27:38 Speaker 4: stuff's a taller like Nasca lines right like that. I

1:27:43 Speaker 4: mean that's a little more mysterious, I mean than the pyramids. Yeah,

1:27:46 Speaker 4: go back to the Tepee, which is older than and

1:27:50 Speaker 4: and and ah zep Tepe is even older, and it

1:27:55 Speaker 4: predates the flood like that. There's nothing that's supposed to

1:28:00 Speaker 4: have been able to do that, To create such vast,

1:28:04 Speaker 4: intricate complexes like Stonehenge looks like child's play in comparison

1:28:13 Speaker 4: to go backly Teppy, like unreal, and it was buried

1:28:19 Speaker 4: on purpose. It seems like something they knew something was coming.

1:28:23 Speaker 4: Do you do you think that humanity has been reset?

1:28:29 Speaker 4: The world has been reset? Yeah? I mean so, yeah,

1:28:33 Speaker 4: somewhere else. First encounter the only kind of took him

1:28:37 Speaker 4: through our history or whatever.

1:28:39 Speaker 2: Can you do?

1:28:40 Speaker 4: Can you take me through that? Sure?

1:28:42 Speaker 5: I mean to the best of your viiliny briefly, Yeah, So,

1:28:45 Speaker 5: like a lot of this is recorded in the Bible,

1:28:49 Speaker 5: and so humanity made lots of technological progress. I don't

1:28:54 Speaker 5: know what they were capable of. I don't know if

1:28:56 Speaker 5: they were like making aeroplanes or whatever. And initially the

1:29:05 Speaker 5: Yellow heame their main government didn't want the scientists to

1:29:12 Speaker 5: create human life like that.

1:29:16 Speaker 4: Mm hmm.

1:29:17 Speaker 5: So they were afraid at that at this time with

1:29:23 Speaker 5: their understanding with that at that time, they were afraid

1:29:26 Speaker 5: that we might become a threat to them. So okay,

1:29:32 Speaker 5: so that's kind of like what the flood was. That

1:29:36 Speaker 5: was like the West, I guess I would say, I.

1:29:40 Speaker 4: Mean every culture across they all have the flood story

1:29:44 Speaker 4: and it's in the geological record as well. If you

1:29:47 Speaker 4: look at some of the erosion on the Sphinx, right,

1:29:50 Speaker 4: it's it's clear that some sort.

1:29:52 Speaker 5: Of like.

1:29:55 Speaker 4: Very large amount of water came through very quickly, very fast,

1:30:06 Speaker 4: and the younger driest impact theory this is where that is.

1:30:12 Speaker 4: You know, whether it was a comet that impacted you know,

1:30:15 Speaker 4: that melted some of the glacial ice and then that

1:30:20 Speaker 4: came you know that that raised ocean levels across the

1:30:24 Speaker 4: world right so much so that water just ripped through

1:30:29 Speaker 4: everything and we see evidence of that. So again I

1:30:34 Speaker 4: think that you know the problem with humanity right now

1:30:38 Speaker 4: is we're so we're so we need to like, no,

1:30:45 Speaker 4: we need to think we have control, right, that we

1:30:48 Speaker 4: understand everything. They want us to believe that the world

1:30:52 Speaker 4: is black and white zero one, yes or no, but

1:30:56 Speaker 4: it's so much more gray. They're robbing us of something

1:31:01 Speaker 4: but not telling us that we're not alone in the universe. Right.

1:31:05 Speaker 5: It might not all be nefarious for people keeping secrets,

1:31:09 Speaker 5: you know, but I think it's natural for scientists now

1:31:14 Speaker 5: to think that, you know, we have the most scientific

1:31:17 Speaker 5: understanding we've ever had, and I suppose we might, But

1:31:22 Speaker 5: that doesn't mean that in a thousand years, how much

1:31:25 Speaker 5: more we can learn and figure out and realize how

1:31:28 Speaker 5: much we have now is wrong.

1:31:30 Speaker 4: Yeah, we don't have this sense of time in that

1:31:35 Speaker 4: in that way. Have you ever seen anything you couldn't explain? No,

1:31:42 Speaker 4: I've never seen No.

1:31:44 Speaker 5: I've never I've met people, you know, I've met Randans

1:31:47 Speaker 5: who have seen flying saucers or whatever, but I've never,

1:31:51 Speaker 5: to my knowledge.

1:31:52 Speaker 4: I've never seen one. Yes, can you tell me a

1:31:58 Speaker 4: story about one of these Raelian sights?

1:32:02 Speaker 5: So I had a friend who was leading, like I

1:32:07 Speaker 5: don't love some kind of railing gathering, and and she

1:32:14 Speaker 5: had this feeling, this like intuitive urge to like look

1:32:19 Speaker 5: at the sky. So a couple of people that were

1:32:20 Speaker 5: with her, she's.

1:32:21 Speaker 4: Like, look, and there's something else, you know, and a

1:32:26 Speaker 4: disk girl light, like a disk d of thing really

1:32:30 Speaker 4: and is broad daylight? Yeah, it was during the day and.

1:32:34 Speaker 5: Something else happened to She's like, I can't quite remember where,

1:32:39 Speaker 5: Like she could tell where it was going to be,

1:32:41 Speaker 5: and she's like, oh, now there and.

1:32:42 Speaker 4: There was that something like that. Interesting. Interesting.

1:32:49 Speaker 5: So I want to say too though, like in regards

1:32:51 Speaker 5: to the flood and this reset the one who didn't

1:32:55 Speaker 5: know that they were part of this infinite chain of

1:32:58 Speaker 5: creation that I was talking about. But after the flood

1:33:05 Speaker 5: they realized it that their own creators had set up

1:33:10 Speaker 5: with some sort of spacecraft or archive that landed on

1:33:15 Speaker 5: their planet because apparently they their planet was destroyed somehow,

1:33:21 Speaker 5: some sort of solar cosmic disaster. I don't know, they

1:33:27 Speaker 5: don't really give detail on this, but at any rate,

1:33:31 Speaker 5: some spacecraft had been set around the Elephant's planet and

1:33:34 Speaker 5: landed and I don't know, like waid it all out on.

1:33:39 Speaker 4: The table, so to speak.

1:33:41 Speaker 5: So that's when the yellophant realized like, oh, like this

1:33:45 Speaker 5: isn't just some like scientific experiment to like throw away

1:33:49 Speaker 5: like these are our our children. And so that's that's

1:33:53 Speaker 5: when they started guiding us and helping us and really

1:33:59 Speaker 5: loving us. The whole reason that we were saved Caromoflowers

1:34:02 Speaker 5: because of the scientists that created us, I mean loved

1:34:06 Speaker 5: us as their children. But the that's government so apprehensive

1:34:11 Speaker 5: that they hadn't allowed this, the credous creation to happen

1:34:15 Speaker 5: at first.

1:34:17 Speaker 4: Whoah.

1:34:18 Speaker 5: Yeah, So you know we talk about what if they're

1:34:23 Speaker 5: really tricksters, right, trying to get just like you know,

1:34:28 Speaker 5: but the whole history we look at any religion, if

1:34:32 Speaker 5: they're tricksters, man, they're playing the long game, right, because

1:34:35 Speaker 5: every religion teaches to love one another and to be peaceful. Now,

1:34:42 Speaker 5: of course humanity is twisted religions to fit its own

1:34:46 Speaker 5: selfish needs right where, and that's how you get people

1:34:50 Speaker 5: using God to justify conflicts and wars and likes and whatever.

1:34:57 Speaker 4: Yeah.

1:34:58 Speaker 5: So but if you look at historically how the Eleanham

1:35:03 Speaker 5: have taught us and then rent, it's like it is

1:35:06 Speaker 5: through this this desire of love and kindness.

1:35:10 Speaker 4: So and that's why I don't think they're tricksters either.

1:35:15 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's what for thousands of years, you tell these

1:35:19 Speaker 5: people like to be all about love and peace and

1:35:24 Speaker 5: then only to be yeah, evil and deceit, right right, right? Maybe,

1:35:31 Speaker 5: so I guess.

1:35:32 Speaker 4: Maybe more of a concern now that you're saying it

1:35:36 Speaker 4: would be one of these other humanities trying to pretend

1:35:39 Speaker 4: that they're the eleg to get you know what I mean?

1:35:43 Speaker 5: Could that be where I don't some of this, I

1:35:46 Speaker 5: don't think so. I don't think they know their origins

1:35:49 Speaker 5: because in the bit of the message that the Elem

1:35:52 Speaker 5: gave us about these other humanities, please say that it's

1:35:55 Speaker 5: our job to give them the message of the elect

1:36:00 Speaker 5: for us to explain to them their.

1:36:03 Speaker 4: Or general creation. Mm hmm. Interesting.

1:36:10 Speaker 5: So then what's fucked is like if these other humanities

1:36:14 Speaker 5: are in contact with our individual governments, then as Aralian,

1:36:18 Speaker 5: it's like, how do I how do I talk to them?

1:36:21 Speaker 2: Right?

1:36:22 Speaker 4: Right?

1:36:24 Speaker 2: Wow?

1:36:25 Speaker 4: But I don't know that they've they've made it so far,

1:36:28 Speaker 4: you know, I don't know.

1:36:31 Speaker 5: Man.

1:36:32 Speaker 4: Yeah, there's there's a story right octight too, because I

1:36:37 Speaker 4: think this so President Eisenhower using pomp Springs actually contacting

1:36:45 Speaker 4: deserts held and it's I mean, it's it's Coachella Valley

1:36:51 Speaker 4: it's gorgeous, it's you know, just resort after resort. It's

1:36:57 Speaker 4: one of those places. But Eisenhower was out there and

1:37:02 Speaker 4: he goes missing. For all intentsive purposes, he goes missing.

1:37:07 Speaker 4: Secret Service doesn't know where he is. For the most part,

1:37:11 Speaker 4: no one knows where he is. The press even wrote

1:37:13 Speaker 4: pre wrote an article about his death because they thought

1:37:17 Speaker 4: that he was missing. They thought they were trying to

1:37:21 Speaker 4: hide that he had passed away, and they were getting ready,

1:37:23 Speaker 4: so they wrote this article, this press, this article, what

1:37:27 Speaker 4: you known website, jeesus, this newspaper wrote an article like

1:37:31 Speaker 4: getting ready for his death. And he was gone for

1:37:35 Speaker 4: like twelve hours, and reportedly in that twelve hours, what

1:37:41 Speaker 4: happened was he was ushered out. And the official story

1:37:46 Speaker 4: is that he had dental work, secret dental work that

1:37:51 Speaker 4: he needed, so he disappeared, And it just doesn't happ dental.

1:37:57 Speaker 4: There's no record of him having any dental because all

1:38:02 Speaker 4: that stuff is recorded the President's logs. So unless he

1:38:05 Speaker 4: didn't want people to know he was having a tooth extraction, like,

1:38:09 Speaker 4: it doesn't make sense. But others have said that no,

1:38:16 Speaker 4: what actually happened was Eisenhower was they needed to take

1:38:21 Speaker 4: him to a secure facility close by. We don't know

1:38:26 Speaker 4: what facility, but I can speculate what's close by, Southern California. Right,

1:38:33 Speaker 4: it's a helicopter ride away. Right, I'll let the audience

1:38:38 Speaker 4: in firm. But there's only a few places. And apparently

1:38:44 Speaker 4: there he met alien beings or I don't like the

1:38:49 Speaker 4: word alien, I like non human. They were non human intelligence.

1:38:54 Speaker 4: He met them there and they had said that they

1:38:59 Speaker 4: want did to help us, and that if we disarmed,

1:39:04 Speaker 4: aren't nuclear arsenal, Well, we'll give you tech free tech

1:39:10 Speaker 4: like zero point technology. Will give that to you and

1:39:13 Speaker 4: will help you usher in a new age of paradise. Right,

1:39:17 Speaker 4: sounds similar, so something and he wouldn't do it because

1:39:26 Speaker 4: he wouldn't. He wouldn't disarmed because he said, if I disarmed,

1:39:31 Speaker 4: the Russians are going to disarm. No one else is

1:39:34 Speaker 4: good in disarm.

1:39:35 Speaker 5: So.

1:39:37 Speaker 2: He can't.

1:39:37 Speaker 4: He couldn't take that risk.

1:39:39 Speaker 2: And then.

1:39:41 Speaker 4: There's another story about a Holloman Air Force based landing

1:39:45 Speaker 4: where something else occurred and he was given this offer again,

1:39:51 Speaker 4: but there was no disarmament deal. It was from like

1:39:54 Speaker 4: a gray species. That's the story that. So he was

1:39:59 Speaker 4: offered it by a set of race that was asking

1:40:04 Speaker 4: to disarm our nukes and will in turn, we'll give

1:40:10 Speaker 4: you technology that will change the world. He turned it down,

1:40:15 Speaker 4: and then another species came through and said, Hey, you

1:40:20 Speaker 4: don't got to disarm, but we'll give you the technology,

1:40:23 Speaker 4: but you have to let us abduct and do the

1:40:27 Speaker 4: you know, come as we want. That's the lore. How

1:40:31 Speaker 4: spot on is it? I don't know. Right, these are

1:40:33 Speaker 4: all stories. They're obviously unconfirmed stories, but a lot of

1:40:36 Speaker 4: people said that it's true. So I mean, if it's

1:40:42 Speaker 4: not the Alohat, then who are what is happening? That's

1:40:47 Speaker 4: my question. If it's not the Alohat, what who are

1:40:51 Speaker 4: all these things that are visiting us? If that's real.

1:40:56 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean all this stuff gets wrapped up in

1:40:58 Speaker 5: its own mythology and takes on a life of its own.

1:41:04 Speaker 5: But yeah, there's like these common threads of people from

1:41:09 Speaker 5: space wanting to help. Yeah, it could be it could

1:41:14 Speaker 5: even be Yellow Him posing as great as I guess

1:41:18 Speaker 5: against speculation, and they're just kind of testing humanity, like, oh,

1:41:25 Speaker 5: let's see, would they disarm if if we just outright

1:41:28 Speaker 5: said we would help them, and you know, they say no,

1:41:31 Speaker 5: And so then they know like that we're not ready.

1:41:35 Speaker 5: That's interesting. Yeah, that's that's interesting. Right, that's the kind

1:41:41 Speaker 5: of thing that I think might have I don't know.

1:41:44 Speaker 5: I don't think Rayel's ever said anything to my knowledge

1:41:47 Speaker 5: about that.

1:41:47 Speaker 4: But it's like, who was the person that they were

1:41:53 Speaker 4: going to sacrifice their child? Oh, Abraham, Abraham right, story

1:41:58 Speaker 4: of Abraham?

1:41:59 Speaker 5: Right?

1:42:00 Speaker 4: And then at the last minute God and it's stopped. Right, Yeah,

1:42:04 Speaker 4: you prove or you were, Like was he deceived by

1:42:10 Speaker 4: the devil? I can't remember. Yeah. So, like, so there's.

1:42:16 Speaker 5: Two of the yellow him. One is Yahweh and one Satan.

1:42:20 Speaker 5: Satan is oh what Satan is one who believes that

1:42:26 Speaker 5: creating humanity was a mistake because we're so violent. And

1:42:30 Speaker 5: so he is an eloheman himself.

1:42:32 Speaker 4: Yes, but he's not like evil. He just different.

1:42:39 Speaker 5: He just thinks that we were a mistake because we're

1:42:43 Speaker 5: so violent, and that there's no there's no recourse.

1:42:47 Speaker 4: To set us on the right path. He hopes we do.

1:42:52 Speaker 5: Like, he still loves us, he's just not convinced that

1:42:56 Speaker 5: we're gonna get our ship together. And anyways, so the

1:43:02 Speaker 5: deal with Abraham was, look, these people are so.

1:43:09 Speaker 4: Stupid.

1:43:10 Speaker 6: Watch I'll get him to kill the kid. Yeah, I

1:43:13 Speaker 6: thought I could convince this guy to kill his own son.

1:43:16 Speaker 6: And then as he was about to do it, they

1:43:18 Speaker 6: were like, no, don't actually fucking do it. That's yeah,

1:43:23 Speaker 6: so that's your tricks around it, I suppose, right, But

1:43:28 Speaker 6: but it's to see.

1:43:31 Speaker 5: Lucifer is the third one. Lucifer is one of the

1:43:36 Speaker 5: Lucifer because Lucifer means light bringer or something. Yeah, so

1:43:42 Speaker 5: because he brought the light scientific knowledge to the humans

1:43:45 Speaker 5: that they created. So he was part of the team

1:43:49 Speaker 5: that created humans against the regulations of the Elephant's government.

1:43:57 Speaker 5: They created the humans anyway, and we are going through

1:44:00 Speaker 5: with the cloning, right, and they loved their creations, the

1:44:05 Speaker 5: humans they made, and so when the government realized that

1:44:10 Speaker 5: humans have been made, they were like, okay, well that right,

1:44:15 Speaker 5: So just don't teach them any scientific knowledge. You can

1:44:18 Speaker 5: teach them about like plants and animals and things, but

1:44:21 Speaker 5: don't teach them like how to build nukes, what airplanes,

1:44:25 Speaker 5: I don't know, whatever.

1:44:25 Speaker 4: Show them agriculture, keep show them how to keep themselves alives?

1:44:29 Speaker 4: You don't. Yeah, but.

1:44:34 Speaker 5: Lucifer and his team were like, but we love them.

1:44:37 Speaker 5: Is our children or is our equals? So we want

1:44:40 Speaker 5: to teach them, and so that's how he was the guard.

1:44:44 Speaker 4: Yes, the garden h very interesting, very very interesting from

1:44:56 Speaker 4: from your world view. What happens when a it does nothing? Elaborate? Man,

1:45:05 Speaker 4: that's it lights out? Why so what what would happen?

1:45:11 Speaker 2: Why?

1:45:12 Speaker 4: What happened? Before? You were alive? Nothing? You weren't anything.

1:45:18 Speaker 5: I mean you were you were the floor, you were dirt,

1:45:21 Speaker 5: I see, you know, and when you die, you'll just

1:45:25 Speaker 5: go back to being nothing.

1:45:28 Speaker 4: But doesn't that seem wasteful? Wasteful? Yeah, the universe is

1:45:33 Speaker 4: a lot of things, but wasteful. It is not okay,

1:45:40 Speaker 4: why why would why would this be finite? Why would

1:45:48 Speaker 4: our being? Why would our essence be finite? I mean,

1:45:53 Speaker 4: in a way, it's not right.

1:45:55 Speaker 5: There's no destruction of matter just takes a different form, right,

1:46:02 Speaker 5: because it's just it's just the I mean, consciousness is

1:46:07 Speaker 5: just awareness.

1:46:08 Speaker 4: So you're saying you're just clone, you're just.

1:46:11 Speaker 5: Madter that's aware that you're mad, and so when you die,

1:46:16 Speaker 5: just that awareness stops.

1:46:21 Speaker 4: That's hard to process for a lot of people. Yeah,

1:46:25 Speaker 4: because that would mean that we need eternal life and

1:46:29 Speaker 4: we need to clone. Because I don't think so if

1:46:36 Speaker 4: there's no difference. If there's no difference, right, if when

1:46:41 Speaker 4: we die lights up, then I want this ride to

1:46:44 Speaker 4: go on for fucking thousands. Sure, yeah, right, that's one

1:46:48 Speaker 4: way to look at it. If there's no haven in hell,

1:46:55 Speaker 4: lock me in, like let's start cloning. Yeah, I get that. Yeah.

1:47:00 Speaker 5: But also it makes life more precious, it does, you know,

1:47:06 Speaker 5: to It helps emphasize how important it is to be

1:47:10 Speaker 5: kind to one another and to cherish each moment you

1:47:15 Speaker 5: have with the people yeah that you love, you know,

1:47:21 Speaker 5: fuck man, so you know people's people say or think that.

1:47:26 Speaker 4: It's scary to.

1:47:28 Speaker 5: Know that, Like you know, your best friend or your

1:47:32 Speaker 5: family members member isn't in heaven or something.

1:47:35 Speaker 4: But I don't even want them in heaven. I want

1:47:40 Speaker 4: them to be like riding down the the ancestral plane, right,

1:47:47 Speaker 4: like I want them on the next adventure, the next adventure.

1:47:55 Speaker 4: Not that this adventure stops and that's the only adventure,

1:47:59 Speaker 4: but there's another venture waiting behind that this one. Right,

1:48:05 Speaker 4: I think that's what I want, is another adventure. Well,

1:48:09 Speaker 4: the matter that you become will become something else, right,

1:48:15 Speaker 4: the matter that you and I are composed of Once

1:48:18 Speaker 4: upon a time where Roman I'm not. That's not you

1:48:23 Speaker 4: can get down like this can of worms with like

1:48:25 Speaker 4: reincarnation and all this. Right, Well, that's that's not what

1:48:29 Speaker 4: I'm getting at.

1:48:31 Speaker 5: I just mean, you die, you go back into the ground,

1:48:36 Speaker 5: the ground becomes something else, becomes a tree.

1:48:38 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's not that you. You haven't like you as in.

1:48:42 Speaker 5: Your mind or whatever you think your personality is, haven't

1:48:45 Speaker 5: become the tree. Right, It's not like this sort of

1:48:49 Speaker 5: fantasy reincarnation, just like just like the.

1:48:55 Speaker 4: Just like the star nest that I'm made up, isn't

1:48:58 Speaker 4: the star reborn, right, it's just matter that's putashed itself

1:49:03 Speaker 4: or reformed into something else. Hm oooh, that's that's a

1:49:10 Speaker 4: that's a bitter fucking pill. You realize that, sure? Because religion, right,

1:49:17 Speaker 4: and this is interesting to me, this whole thing you

1:49:22 Speaker 4: gots don't think there's an afterlife, right, and for religion,

1:49:32 Speaker 4: I mean that's opposite. Usually religion, in my opinion, has

1:49:37 Speaker 4: been around to help people cope with death and to live. Right.

1:49:43 Speaker 4: Don't thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not murder? I

1:49:48 Speaker 4: should say you can kill it, just you know, because

1:49:51 Speaker 4: you can kill to eat, but you can't murder. You

1:49:55 Speaker 4: can't murder another human, but you can defend yourself and

1:50:02 Speaker 4: you know that means it's you or them, like and

1:50:05 Speaker 4: you have to kill them. That's not you murdering them,

1:50:08 Speaker 4: that's you defending your your own life. Megree. So there

1:50:13 Speaker 4: is a difference between taking a life and murder. Murders

1:50:18 Speaker 4: typically done in an aggressive, either premeditated or enraged state, right,

1:50:25 Speaker 4: killing Like if someone's if something, someone who's attacking you

1:50:28 Speaker 4: with an axe, and you got that axe, and the

1:50:33 Speaker 4: only way to stop them from you know, then jumping

1:50:36 Speaker 4: on your throat is for you to unfortunately do what

1:50:39 Speaker 4: you gotta do and they lose their life. Yeah, who's right?

1:50:46 Speaker 4: I don't know, man, I'm not convinced. Well, there's no

1:50:49 Speaker 4: happening there out it doesn't matter, does it. I don't know.

1:50:54 Speaker 4: I mean I still think it does matter. I mean,

1:50:57 Speaker 4: i'll tell you what.

1:50:58 Speaker 5: I think. That's kind of a chief argument, because that's

1:51:01 Speaker 5: what any any Christian would say. Why you can't even

1:51:06 Speaker 5: be atheist, right, you just have no sense of morality.

1:51:10 Speaker 5: But in fact I think I think that's yeah, that's

1:51:13 Speaker 5: short changing human nature.

1:51:15 Speaker 4: Yeah, so I agree. Most people just want to they

1:51:18 Speaker 4: want to be kind. They don't want conflict, right, nine

1:51:24 Speaker 4: point nine percent of the time, the people I meet

1:51:28 Speaker 4: just want to get to where they're going and do

1:51:30 Speaker 4: what they're doing. Like, no one wants to get fight you.

1:51:34 Speaker 4: But there's that one point one percent, right, So that's

1:51:39 Speaker 4: off that off that beaten path. Wait, I don't know

1:51:45 Speaker 4: if you're what if the next question is going to

1:51:47 Speaker 4: change the topic. But so I also want to mention

1:51:49 Speaker 4: the idea of heaven comes from the elements, planet of eternals,

1:51:55 Speaker 4: because I mentioned through cloning they've achieved eternal life, and

1:51:59 Speaker 4: so for some people from Earth, they do recreate them

1:52:03 Speaker 4: to live amongst their eternals eternal So there is some

1:52:10 Speaker 4: sort of there could be some sort of essens, but.

1:52:13 Speaker 5: It's not something exclusive to the element necessarily, right right, right,

1:52:19 Speaker 5: And when that day comes, we'll have to figure out,

1:52:21 Speaker 5: like what qualifications are we going to look for in

1:52:25 Speaker 5: people that we allowed to do because not everyone can

1:52:30 Speaker 5: you can't just.

1:52:32 Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, right, like billion people kill them. They

1:52:36 Speaker 4: don't recreate all their own people for eternal life. You know,

1:52:39 Speaker 4: they have whatever qualifications and tests or whatever they do,

1:52:43 Speaker 4: I would do. That's where morality came comes in.

1:52:47 Speaker 5: If we're on that sort of like if you're like, well,

1:52:49 Speaker 5: I want to be recreated for eternal life so I

1:52:51 Speaker 5: won't kill I still don't know that actually makes you

1:52:54 Speaker 5: a good personal right.

1:52:56 Speaker 4: Well, what I'm saying, Yeah, what I'm saying is people

1:53:00 Speaker 4: who live a more like genuine life. Those would be

1:53:05 Speaker 4: the people you'd want to grant eternal life to. Sure,

1:53:08 Speaker 4: not someone who's a serial criminal, right, or someone who's

1:53:13 Speaker 4: consistently not learning their lesson. It's not that they can't

1:53:17 Speaker 4: learn their lesson, it's just you know, you haven't yet,

1:53:21 Speaker 4: so you haven't shown us that you can can, that

1:53:24 Speaker 4: you've earned this right. So again I think that's I

1:53:31 Speaker 4: like that you brought that up, though I don't even

1:53:36 Speaker 4: know where, because that's frightening. It just frightens me that

1:53:42 Speaker 4: this lights out and I don't know why. I don't know,

1:53:50 Speaker 4: because that makes it so finite. It makes this ride

1:53:57 Speaker 4: the only ride. So now I'm like, if that's true,

1:54:02 Speaker 4: we need to get on this crisper ship. Right. Do

1:54:05 Speaker 4: you have the Raelians successfully cloned a human being? I don't.

1:54:11 Speaker 4: I mean, what's the official narrative.

1:54:14 Speaker 5: That Bridge did clone at least one human baby named Eve?

1:54:20 Speaker 5: And I mean she would be in her twenties now

1:54:23 Speaker 5: or something. Do you think that it is true? I

1:54:29 Speaker 5: think it's possible. Yeah, it doesn't like feel like it

1:54:34 Speaker 5: affects me one way or the other, I guess, you know.

1:54:40 Speaker 5: But if they've done it, we need to.

1:54:46 Speaker 4: Like do more, do more?

1:54:47 Speaker 5: Sure, Like let's get over this little play god bullshit.

1:54:52 Speaker 2: Yeah, like.

1:54:54 Speaker 4: If we can do it, we can do it. See,

1:54:57 Speaker 4: we can put guardrails on it. We don't have to,

1:54:59 Speaker 4: let you know, like, yeah, I'm not giving everyone a

1:55:02 Speaker 4: time machine, right.

1:55:03 Speaker 5: Right, And this is why I mean, like just clone pets,

1:55:06 Speaker 5: you know, just give people a few years to just

1:55:09 Speaker 5: kind of get comfortable with that.

1:55:10 Speaker 4: With that, Yeah, that's my push is like clone your

1:55:13 Speaker 4: pets and then normalize again generations, generations, decades, because normal

1:55:22 Speaker 4: there's a normalcy to so again. But that that process

1:55:26 Speaker 4: would have to begin with Bridget saying I didn't here's

1:55:31 Speaker 4: the proof. Why haven't we got that?

1:55:34 Speaker 6: It was?

1:55:35 Speaker 4: It was to protect the use. Yeah, but he was

1:55:40 Speaker 4: a miracle arguably sure. Yeah, Okay, what does Ral think

1:55:52 Speaker 4: I think he trusts Bridget a US? Has he met Eve?

1:55:56 Speaker 4: I don't know. I've never heard one way or the

1:55:58 Speaker 4: other nation show what is there any like company line

1:56:04 Speaker 4: that you have to tell no, not really or you

1:56:09 Speaker 4: have to believe. That's I mean really like if you

1:56:13 Speaker 4: wanted like the deep scoop, it's that. Yeah. I mean

1:56:17 Speaker 4: some Raylans just don't care.

1:56:19 Speaker 5: I think I'm kind of one of them, and then

1:56:21 Speaker 5: some Yeah, I have strong opinion, you know, I think

1:56:24 Speaker 5: this was something kind of divisive within the movement.

1:56:27 Speaker 4: This is that was around the time I was getting involved,

1:56:29 Speaker 4: So I don't know like the internal drama that happened,

1:56:34 Speaker 4: but from from other friends I've spoken with, it was yeah,

1:56:38 Speaker 4: I mean it was overwhelming. So to have this media

1:56:41 Speaker 4: coverage too. Christianity they get the news for, but the

1:56:49 Speaker 4: Catholic Church I should say, uh, get is you know

1:56:53 Speaker 4: they're the news for what you know? What wink break

1:56:56 Speaker 4: what we all know?

1:56:58 Speaker 5: Uh?

1:56:58 Speaker 4: And the Raelians are in the news because they may

1:57:01 Speaker 4: have cloned right? What the fuck kind of upside down

1:57:06 Speaker 4: when we live in it? Right? Where they call you

1:57:08 Speaker 4: a cult and them a religion? The fuck is that this?

1:57:15 Speaker 2: What do you mean?

1:57:17 Speaker 4: They're they're guilty of what? Like God, what do you

1:57:21 Speaker 4: mean sex parties? Like they started talking about that in

1:57:24 Speaker 4: the Netflix documentary. I go, this is coming from the

1:57:29 Speaker 4: fucking place, but that that Epstein Island recurred with you, like,

1:57:34 Speaker 4: don't don't lecture me about like at least it's all

1:57:36 Speaker 4: consensual in this case. You know, there's no there's no

1:57:42 Speaker 4: lawsuits that I can find that allege anyone has ever

1:57:47 Speaker 4: ever claimed that they were assaulted by real or anyone else.

1:57:53 Speaker 4: So like, what are we talking about here? We're just

1:57:57 Speaker 4: discrediting because we're cloning you. One of us is making

1:58:00 Speaker 4: brain chips. Peter Thiel might be the anti Christ, but

1:58:06 Speaker 4: Rayel's the problem.

1:58:08 Speaker 5: What the.

1:58:10 Speaker 4: Part of my French here? Yeah, it's just because people

1:58:12 Speaker 4: are up tight about sex.

1:58:14 Speaker 5: You know, we don't have big organized sex parties, right,

1:58:17 Speaker 5: but we say you don't have to be monogamous, right

1:58:21 Speaker 5: you know once, I mean we supported you know, if

1:58:26 Speaker 5: you're gay or trans, like we've always supported that, so

1:58:31 Speaker 5: I mean decades ago, that was.

1:58:34 Speaker 4: You know, challenging. That is a no goal. Yeah, it's

1:58:37 Speaker 4: no gown. A lot of people are very particular and

1:58:42 Speaker 4: reserved about It's almost like you guys are actually you

1:58:46 Speaker 4: guys are exactly what you say you are. And I

1:58:49 Speaker 4: think that's what people don't they're scared of that. Yeah right, Yeah,

1:58:54 Speaker 4: because you guys say you're like, listen, there's no soul, right,

1:58:59 Speaker 4: clothing like that's the next step to eternal life.

1:59:03 Speaker 5: We know.

1:59:03 Speaker 4: That's like, come on, guys, the clues are all around us, right, yeah,

1:59:08 Speaker 4: and then you know I've never met God mm hmm.

1:59:14 Speaker 4: But you might see like Jesus's face on a piece

1:59:16 Speaker 4: of toast, right, you know, and that might be proof, right,

1:59:21 Speaker 4: But I have seen a UFO and it made me so.

1:59:28 Speaker 4: It ignited something at me. It lit a fire inside me.

1:59:34 Speaker 4: The question for truth, which led me to sitting down

1:59:37 Speaker 4: here with you, led me to sit down with members

1:59:39 Speaker 4: of the conclus It's meant led me to places I

1:59:43 Speaker 4: never dreamed possible. Do you believe in something like feet destiny?

1:59:51 Speaker 5: No? No, everything is about your own responsibility to us.

1:59:58 Speaker 5: There was a lab I gotta I got it for it.

2:00:01 Speaker 4: Maybe you won't lab this did this? Jamie, Jamie, bring

2:00:09 Speaker 4: it up. Uh, find out which lab did this? Did this?

2:00:13 Speaker 4: But they correct then just look up you're rogan, Jamie.

2:00:23 Speaker 6: Look it up.

2:00:24 Speaker 4: Find out which lab did this. They froze water, but

2:00:27 Speaker 4: they spoke to the water, and yeah, it was some

2:00:31 Speaker 4: university lab that did it. And essentially what so they

2:00:36 Speaker 4: would speak, they would speak to the to the water

2:00:41 Speaker 4: and then freeze it. And they would use words that

2:00:44 Speaker 4: had positive connotation and negative connotation, right, Yeah, and the

2:00:52 Speaker 4: they'd freeze it and then they pull it and the

2:00:54 Speaker 4: ones that had words like love, the crystals would freeze

2:00:59 Speaker 4: beautifully writes all symmetrical, perfect, beautiful crystals, right, crystal instructure.

2:01:06 Speaker 4: And then where its like hate or war or you know, racism,

2:01:15 Speaker 4: the structure would be wild and wonky. So what they

2:01:20 Speaker 4: were concluded after various run throughs is that your intent matters.

2:01:30 Speaker 4: Your words you speak into existence matters. It affects the

2:01:36 Speaker 4: matter around you essentially, right. So that's why when you're

2:01:40 Speaker 4: having a good day, you hit every green light, right,

2:01:44 Speaker 4: because you're vibing right, you're in a positive mentality. But

2:01:48 Speaker 4: then there's the day where you wake up and you

2:01:50 Speaker 4: knock your shit off the metal piece of something on

2:01:55 Speaker 4: the bed, and then you hit every red light. Everyone's

2:01:58 Speaker 4: a piece of shit one could drive, you know, and

2:02:01 Speaker 4: everything goes wrong. I think it's a testament to that. Yeah,

2:02:06 Speaker 4: that's I mean what you're talking about. There is also

2:02:08 Speaker 4: your perception.

2:02:10 Speaker 5: If you think you're having a bad day, you're going

2:02:12 Speaker 5: to just notice all the things that you think are bad.

2:02:17 Speaker 4: So it's about having your headscool industry too. There is

2:02:20 Speaker 4: no good or bad day, it's just how you decide

2:02:23 Speaker 4: to see it. That's an interesting answer, yeah, because that's

2:02:29 Speaker 4: arguably also true. You'd be honing in on the negativity.

2:02:34 Speaker 3: It's the Institute of Nodic Sciences. So the Institute of

2:02:41 Speaker 3: Yes n O E T I see Sciences. Yes, it's no,

2:02:48 Speaker 3: it's I think it's no no attic whoops.

2:02:52 Speaker 4: But it's doctor.

2:02:54 Speaker 3: Mass Sirou and Moto.

2:02:57 Speaker 4: Yeah. So that's the first half of credit that I

2:03:01 Speaker 4: told this story at one hundred times, never credited the lab.

2:03:04 Speaker 4: So finally, what lab was it? From? University of that?

2:03:09 Speaker 4: That's what it was?

2:03:11 Speaker 3: The institute that I just said, what was it again?

2:03:17 Speaker 4: Just excited the yamh oh, the Institute of Noedic Sciences. Okay,

2:03:25 Speaker 4: so that's the lab the accreditation that it came from,

2:03:28 Speaker 4: and it was doctor Okay, I got it, got it,

2:03:30 Speaker 4: got the Noetic Institute got it. So I just found

2:03:35 Speaker 4: it to be interesting. And they also said that people,

2:03:41 Speaker 4: large amounts of people had This is a different study,

2:03:46 Speaker 4: but they put random number generators all around, all all

2:03:53 Speaker 4: over the place, like from my you know, like all

2:03:56 Speaker 4: over the place, and it was groups of people could

2:04:04 Speaker 4: affect the outcome of the numbers. It's supposed to be random,

2:04:08 Speaker 4: but it would start coming up as like targeted, like

2:04:14 Speaker 4: a group could think it into a specific number. And

2:04:23 Speaker 4: then there's a you know these stories of people before

2:04:25 Speaker 4: nine to eleven, before Parl Harbor, who had dreams of

2:04:28 Speaker 4: being attacked the night before. Ye, so like premonition, you know, destiny?

2:04:34 Speaker 4: Could could it be something that you know time? We

2:04:37 Speaker 4: know time's not linear, it's just how we perceive it. Yeah,

2:04:40 Speaker 4: I don't know if it's like some weird ton temporal thing.

2:04:44 Speaker 4: I think it's more like a donut when it comes

2:04:47 Speaker 4: to like.

2:04:48 Speaker 5: Like I read a story once of someone who you know,

2:04:52 Speaker 5: had an important flight to take and then the night

2:04:55 Speaker 5: before he was like, oh they got to cancel, and

2:04:58 Speaker 5: then that flight like had a crack crash. Right. I

2:05:01 Speaker 5: don't think that's like having a premonition, you know, something

2:05:06 Speaker 5: like nine to eleven. Maybe you're picking up something, you're

2:05:10 Speaker 5: picking up the plant, you know, like there's.

2:05:12 Speaker 4: Something major catastrophe.

2:05:16 Speaker 5: Yeah, or I don't know, I don't know how to

2:05:18 Speaker 5: say it, Like because there's people planning to do something

2:05:23 Speaker 5: and so you're picking up the brain waves of negative vibes.

2:05:29 Speaker 5: I don't know, again, something like that.

2:05:32 Speaker 4: So you don't think there's anything like ghosts in the

2:05:34 Speaker 4: form of like dead people walking. But again, what about

2:05:38 Speaker 4: when I said where it could be an echo of that?

2:05:43 Speaker 4: Definitely don't think so, because like when you die, like

2:05:45 Speaker 4: all that stuff just disperses. Your body just rots and

2:05:50 Speaker 4: whatever energy you have.

2:05:52 Speaker 2: So grim.

2:05:55 Speaker 4: So that's one of the most grim sentences anyone's ever

2:05:58 Speaker 4: spoken in this room. Your body rots and good. I

2:06:03 Speaker 4: don't know. I don't think there's I don't think there's ghosts,

2:06:06 Speaker 4: you know. Yeah, so all of that's bullshit. Yeah, so

2:06:09 Speaker 4: I don't think there's you think big that's bullshit? Yeah yeah, Okay,

2:06:23 Speaker 4: now that we've gotten out of the right and yeah,

2:06:26 Speaker 4: we're asking big questions here, the big ones, the existential ones. Yeah.

2:06:31 Speaker 4: So I don't think there's like fate And I don't know.

2:06:34 Speaker 4: I have like weird ideas about free will anyway, you know,

2:06:36 Speaker 4: because I think on some level we're just we're just

2:06:40 Speaker 4: like a reflection of the different things that have come

2:06:45 Speaker 4: to us. We're just a reaction to different events, you know.

2:06:50 Speaker 4: But it's also very interesting that you you not only you,

2:06:55 Speaker 4: but you the Raelian movement. Would you say that you

2:06:59 Speaker 4: are a representation of the belief system in the movement.

2:07:04 Speaker 4: Do most Ralians think ghosts of bullshit and bigfoots bullshit? Yeah?

2:07:12 Speaker 4: The most Yeah, ghost definitely, I don't like probably find

2:07:16 Speaker 4: But that's it's an interesting to me. And that there's

2:07:20 Speaker 4: no salt, right, so there's no habits, there's no help.

2:07:25 Speaker 5: That's the I mean, heaven, hell, soul, God like that,

2:07:29 Speaker 5: sulfs like fundamental.

2:07:32 Speaker 4: And that's what I mean. So that's fun. It's fun

2:07:34 Speaker 4: that that's it's fair to say that that is a

2:07:37 Speaker 4: belief that is held among all Radians. And that's interesting

2:07:42 Speaker 4: to me because you know, it's you guys are like

2:07:46 Speaker 4: it's interesting that again you're saying exactly who you are

2:07:52 Speaker 4: and you're kind of like calculated. It's like, it's the

2:07:57 Speaker 4: it's the common sense answer to each issue. Right. What

2:08:01 Speaker 4: happens when we die? Nothing?

2:08:04 Speaker 5: Right?

2:08:05 Speaker 4: Nothing? You go, you recycled into the world and you

2:08:09 Speaker 4: create life. You know what I mean. It's a cycle.

2:08:12 Speaker 4: But just like the evaporation of water, it's like we're

2:08:15 Speaker 4: going back into the oil. It's the oil put the

2:08:19 Speaker 4: soil and then you know, we can clone. We gotta

2:08:27 Speaker 4: clone then, so how do we get our How do

2:08:31 Speaker 4: we get our essence into a cloned body? How do

2:08:35 Speaker 4: I so? Do I no longer exist? Say I clone myself?

2:08:41 Speaker 4: Do I no longer exist as me? And the clone?

2:08:46 Speaker 4: Their brain develops and creates its own consciousness that has

2:08:51 Speaker 4: my memories? Yea? So do you mind if I gotad

2:08:59 Speaker 4: to continue?

2:09:00 Speaker 5: So when Rail went to the element's planet, they showed

2:09:05 Speaker 5: him how this process works in some big machine and

2:09:08 Speaker 5: we could watch the body taking form and then like

2:09:12 Speaker 5: stepping out of the machine to walk and talk to him.

2:09:17 Speaker 5: And so the eleant took a sample of Rayel and

2:09:20 Speaker 5: made a clone him, and they said something like, you know,

2:09:26 Speaker 5: now there's another woman and we're we're going to.

2:09:30 Speaker 4: Destroy it because there doesn't need to be two of them.

2:09:34 Speaker 5: So by knowing that his personality is already taking on

2:09:38 Speaker 5: a different form than he because he knows he's going

2:09:42 Speaker 5: to be destroyed, but that he's okay with it because

2:09:46 Speaker 5: he knows he's just a copy.

2:09:47 Speaker 4: So I think this is like.

2:09:50 Speaker 5: Some sort of philosophical question with the Martian problem, where

2:09:58 Speaker 5: there's some philosopher opposed this scenario, where maybe there's you know,

2:10:03 Speaker 5: we have some technology that can instantly teleport us to Mars, right, right,

2:10:09 Speaker 5: And you and all and your friends have all been

2:10:11 Speaker 5: doing this and they're like, oh, yeah, it's great. You

2:10:13 Speaker 5: can go to Mars and you can come back in

2:10:15 Speaker 5: an instant.

2:10:15 Speaker 4: It's awesome. And they finally convince you to do it.

2:10:21 Speaker 4: So you go to this machine and you find out

2:10:23 Speaker 4: that actually it's not in some teleportation. They just clone

2:10:28 Speaker 4: you onto Mars and destroy your current body on Earth.

2:10:33 Speaker 4: She but for all intents and purposes, it's you on Mars.

2:10:43 Speaker 4: So I which is you? Well? You know? So now

2:10:50 Speaker 4: can there be two of you? I mean yeah, because

2:10:53 Speaker 4: there's no way sharing the same experience, right, so you

2:10:57 Speaker 4: cancome two different piece win?

2:11:00 Speaker 6: Right?

2:11:00 Speaker 5: Twins are I mean identical twins are genetically the same,

2:11:04 Speaker 5: but they have completely different lives.

2:11:07 Speaker 4: Yeah, but I want to go see Mare with myself, sure,

2:11:10 Speaker 4: but I wouldn't want my clones to see it. I

2:11:13 Speaker 4: get the argument the debate. It isn't a good thought experiment,

2:11:19 Speaker 4: But it's almost like a branch timeline, right because as

2:11:23 Speaker 4: soon as that clone is then created, if it is,

2:11:27 Speaker 4: if it is standalone conscious, it's life is it might

2:11:34 Speaker 4: remember mine, but it's not it's life. It's life began

2:11:38 Speaker 4: that moment, but it thinks that it is the same life,

2:11:45 Speaker 4: so it doesn't know. At least I didn't know.

2:11:49 Speaker 5: It's a copy, you know, like the you that's on

2:11:52 Speaker 5: Earth is told that actually it's going to be it's

2:11:55 Speaker 5: not in teleportation.

2:11:57 Speaker 4: It's going to be a copy.

2:11:59 Speaker 5: But I guess I don't want I'd have to like

2:12:01 Speaker 5: reread this because I'm not sure what the Mars copy knows.

2:12:07 Speaker 4: Okay, because I'd be interested to follow up on that.

2:12:11 Speaker 5: But it's just another one of those kind of questions

2:12:13 Speaker 5: like how do these traditional religious beliefs about identity souls?

2:12:21 Speaker 5: How does that stand up to modern future technology? And

2:12:28 Speaker 5: it doesn't and they don't have an answer for it.

2:12:30 Speaker 5: And that's where I think the Railian explanations are unique

2:12:35 Speaker 5: in interest, where they're primed to help guide people through

2:12:42 Speaker 5: these these tough questions, and that is what a religion does,

2:12:48 Speaker 5: helps you through the beau And they didn't write like,

2:12:52 Speaker 5: so Christianity doesn't help you.

2:12:53 Speaker 4: They just say no, no cloning right, no genetically modifying

2:12:59 Speaker 4: this or tree. They don't have right.

2:13:05 Speaker 5: And every time they've been challenged with scientific discoveries, they

2:13:08 Speaker 5: have to completely like.

2:13:10 Speaker 4: Oh no, actually love right, Yeah, actually.

2:13:14 Speaker 5: I've always known that the Earth spins around the sun

2:13:16 Speaker 5: and God works in mysterious ways, and they always.

2:13:19 Speaker 4: Have to come up with something, but they're always back.

2:13:22 Speaker 4: They are always back. And they because they recently said

2:13:28 Speaker 4: that they would baptize an alien and it was like

2:13:33 Speaker 4: they seem alien wants to be baptized in creep, Like

2:13:37 Speaker 4: what are you targeting about?

2:13:39 Speaker 5: Does that mean?

2:13:40 Speaker 4: Whatever? You don't him in your water? Like what what

2:13:46 Speaker 4: is he gonna be? Like, I'm changed right? Like that

2:13:50 Speaker 4: that sounds so stupid because again they're positioning themselves as

2:13:55 Speaker 4: the authority and again we're equal, but we're not again,

2:14:00 Speaker 4: not above them just because you know, you you have

2:14:04 Speaker 4: to baptize them. They're the advanced specie. What are you

2:14:07 Speaker 4: talking about?

2:14:08 Speaker 5: Right? You know obviously I don't believe this, but what

2:14:12 Speaker 5: if what if it were the reverse? Like what if

2:14:13 Speaker 5: the alien? What if extratristules came to us? And we're like,

2:14:17 Speaker 5: you need to believe in.

2:14:18 Speaker 4: Our our source. Yeah, there is a story ready early on.

2:14:26 Speaker 4: I believe it's Georgia Dampski. I'm not. I'm not sure.

2:14:30 Speaker 5: I don't know if it's his case. Maybe Jamie can

2:14:33 Speaker 5: look it up. She's like, I've never doing this again.

2:14:42 Speaker 4: But they would give him trinkets and they told him

2:14:49 Speaker 4: that one of the drinkets was a statue of what

2:14:52 Speaker 4: they called this source, which is what they prayed to essentially,

2:14:58 Speaker 4: And yeah, I don't know, like he had he was

2:15:03 Speaker 4: one of these guys who had like amazing pictures of

2:15:06 Speaker 4: like clear flyingness that one like Billy Meyers. Those guys

2:15:13 Speaker 4: so interesting, you know, like bookmark like you know, so

2:15:19 Speaker 4: I just look for that commonality and uh, aget it

2:15:23 Speaker 4: sounds like, what like, what are model like? Because again,

2:15:33 Speaker 4: profits if we believed that they existed at all, really,

2:15:41 Speaker 4: then why do we have such a hard time with

2:15:43 Speaker 4: saying that one exists?

2:15:44 Speaker 2: Now?

2:15:46 Speaker 5: Yeah?

2:15:47 Speaker 4: Yeah really actually it makes no sense. The same place

2:15:57 Speaker 4: where you have to swear, like in courtrooms on the Bible,

2:16:04 Speaker 4: you know, swear, Oh why do we Why do.

2:16:09 Speaker 6: We do that?

2:16:09 Speaker 5: Because it threatens the status quos authority? Right, Jokesph Smith?

2:16:15 Speaker 5: Like Mormons, people in the Church of Latter Day Things.

2:16:18 Speaker 4: Well, we pretend Christians, It's like, but what we we

2:16:21 Speaker 4: only do it when we when when when it doesn't

2:16:24 Speaker 4: impact when it suits our needs. Right in a courtroom,

2:16:28 Speaker 4: you swear in a Bible because like you know, it's

2:16:31 Speaker 4: it symbolizes the ultimate truth, right, because you can't lie

2:16:35 Speaker 4: to God, like you know that you won't, you won't

2:16:38 Speaker 4: lie in front of God. Right. We use it when

2:16:42 Speaker 4: it's convenient, like it's interesting to me. And again, we

2:16:49 Speaker 4: fight wars and we justify doing those things because you know,

2:16:55 Speaker 4: our God is the righteous one or whatever it's it's

2:16:58 Speaker 4: just makes it's it seems like more of a form

2:17:01 Speaker 4: of control mm hm, whereas realism is not.

2:17:07 Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, you want to talk about people using religion

2:17:10 Speaker 5: to manipulate us, it's not the element.

2:17:13 Speaker 4: It's not extra stress for listen, you know we do it.

2:17:15 Speaker 2: We do it, we do it, we do it.

2:17:17 Speaker 4: Just find ourselves. We are our own worst enemy in

2:17:22 Speaker 4: most cases. And again, yeah, I want to I want

2:17:26 Speaker 4: to come back to this idea of like a whether

2:17:29 Speaker 4: you said, like a universal icon or statue or something. Yes, yeah, source,

2:17:38 Speaker 4: it was a a trinket like a statue for lack

2:17:43 Speaker 4: of a better term of what they called the source.

2:17:46 Speaker 4: It's like what they prayed to, what they thought created that.

2:17:51 Speaker 4: So Rails explained that our symbol, this star David with

2:17:55 Speaker 4: the swas in twine, which is that.

2:18:01 Speaker 5: Sure, I'm gonna actually, I'm gonna zoom in on you,

2:18:07 Speaker 5: okay for a moment.

2:18:09 Speaker 4: You do you mind holding it up clearer?

2:18:14 Speaker 2: Can you lift it?

2:18:16 Speaker 5: Yeah? I can also overlay a picture of it.

2:18:22 Speaker 2: Yeah.

2:18:23 Speaker 5: So Rails explained that this is like a universal symbol

2:18:29 Speaker 5: because it represents the infinite nature of the universe, that

2:18:35 Speaker 5: our planets and stars are the atoms of some infinitely

2:18:41 Speaker 5: huge being and our atoms.

2:18:46 Speaker 4: Are the stars and planets of infinitely small beings. So

2:18:52 Speaker 4: civilizations sort have reached this understanding of the universe. They

2:18:56 Speaker 4: all recognize the symbol as a symbol of infinity. It's

2:19:00 Speaker 4: very interesting. So even the yellowing he meditate in front

2:19:04 Speaker 4: of this symbol, and that's how they see us as

2:19:09 Speaker 4: equal to them too. They do the same meditations that

2:19:11 Speaker 4: we did for the same we have the same human nature. Yeah,

2:19:15 Speaker 4: and people, I think people are really quick to jump,

2:19:19 Speaker 4: Like you say swastika and they're like, oh, what that

2:19:24 Speaker 4: signifies the German Reich, right, and but they took it well. Yeah,

2:19:33 Speaker 4: there was a lot like the Nazi Party would not

2:19:35 Speaker 4: have existed if if it wasn't for bankers in the

2:19:38 Speaker 4: United States funding the startup of the party. So yeah,

2:19:41 Speaker 4: I agree with you. Oh, I just mean it's like

2:19:43 Speaker 4: a cynical take on modern day anyway. Right, they labeled

2:19:53 Speaker 4: that with that and they say, oh, that's bad, but

2:19:56 Speaker 4: that symbol was taken. They took that symbol and they

2:20:00 Speaker 4: co opted it. But that symbol it existed before them

2:20:04 Speaker 4: and was meant for it was a symbol of peace. Right,

2:20:08 Speaker 4: So then there's the Star of David. And then obviously

2:20:11 Speaker 4: there's another connotation there. It's like the opposite. It's the

2:20:15 Speaker 4: ones who were victimized by the people that wore the

2:20:19 Speaker 4: swas tickets. So combining it like probably just sounds weird, right,

2:20:26 Speaker 4: but those are again, these are these are these are

2:20:29 Speaker 4: not symbols that you don't just own a symbol. But

2:20:33 Speaker 4: it combines too, is what you're saying.

2:20:35 Speaker 5: It's like intertwined represents infinite time, there's no getting ahead.

2:20:41 Speaker 4: And then what does the star represent?

2:20:43 Speaker 5: So the start running up represents our planets and atoms

2:20:48 Speaker 5: her planets and starts being the.

2:20:49 Speaker 4: Atoms of some huge being and then they started running down?

2:20:52 Speaker 5: Is the reverse interesting? So there's no heaven, there's no how,

2:20:57 Speaker 5: there's no center to this infinite universe.

2:21:00 Speaker 4: Couldn't be a center, so there's no place for God

2:21:02 Speaker 4: to said, no place for souls to go or get

2:21:07 Speaker 4: sea older whatever people believe souls had to happen to them.

2:21:12 Speaker 5: Right.

2:21:13 Speaker 4: If what's one idea from your worldview that you wish

2:21:17 Speaker 4: more people would consider with an open mind?

2:21:30 Speaker 2: I don't know.

2:21:30 Speaker 4: I mean that's a that's a tough question, you know.

2:21:34 Speaker 5: I wish, yeah, I wish people took the movement more seriously.

2:21:40 Speaker 4: Sure, and and we're more open to what Rayl was

2:21:47 Speaker 4: talking about.

2:21:48 Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, of course.

2:21:51 Speaker 4: If if if there is a skeptic that's that's listening,

2:21:56 Speaker 4: what question would you invite them to sit with rather

2:21:59 Speaker 4: than reject?

2:22:00 Speaker 2: Mm hmmm.

2:22:03 Speaker 5: You know something that gets asked to railings and interviews.

2:22:07 Speaker 5: I think it's a lot or what would you do

2:22:09 Speaker 5: if you found out if it was all fake? You know,

2:22:13 Speaker 5: that's the wrong question. I'd like to well, I like

2:22:16 Speaker 5: to kind of flip it, you know, like, what would

2:22:17 Speaker 5: you do if you found out all your beliefs and

2:22:21 Speaker 5: foundational ideas were fake? What if you found out evolutionless fake?

2:22:27 Speaker 2: Like?

2:22:27 Speaker 4: What is that due to you? Or is it due

2:22:29 Speaker 4: to society? How does it change how you see the world? Right?

2:22:37 Speaker 2: What do you.

2:22:39 Speaker 4: Would you continue believing in it anyway, would you be like, Okay, no,

2:22:45 Speaker 4: there must be some other kind of evidence out there

2:22:47 Speaker 4: that does prove it's real.

2:22:51 Speaker 2: People.

2:22:51 Speaker 5: I don't have a view, so it's hard for me

2:22:54 Speaker 5: to Oh yeah, I don't necessarily mean you, right, I

2:22:56 Speaker 5: just mean like people, I think they would struggle.

2:23:01 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think mentally they would break. Yeah, and that's

2:23:05 Speaker 4: I think it's a problem. Yeah, so anyone, I don't

2:23:08 Speaker 4: think that's I.

2:23:09 Speaker 5: Don't think that's the right question even to ask, Like,

2:23:13 Speaker 5: but you wouldn't ask, hope, Like if you if it was.

2:23:17 Speaker 4: All bullshit, what would you do the whole life you

2:23:20 Speaker 4: dedicated to? Yeah? Right, that's not a good question, right right.

2:23:25 Speaker 4: A good question is tell me why it is true? Right,

2:23:28 Speaker 4: So tell me why it is true?

2:23:30 Speaker 5: Because I think it bridges all these puzzle pieces together,

2:23:35 Speaker 5: and because we are facing the technologies that rail predicted

2:23:45 Speaker 5: that at the time, like cloning, right, I mean that's

2:23:50 Speaker 5: the big one, right, We're also staring down at proficient intelligence.

2:23:54 Speaker 5: Then I did say that, So at the time these

2:23:59 Speaker 5: i is were science fiction, and now decades later and

2:24:04 Speaker 5: here they are that we've chosen not to pursue cloning

2:24:09 Speaker 5: doesn't make it less.

2:24:13 Speaker 4: Less of a prediction come true.

2:24:17 Speaker 5: Right, So I think I think the fact that he's

2:24:20 Speaker 5: made these predictions and that they are coming to light.

2:24:24 Speaker 5: I mean even meditation. I remember speaking with the Ralian

2:24:27 Speaker 5: from some country in Africa, and when he got into

2:24:34 Speaker 5: it and he would practice meditation, people there thought he

2:24:37 Speaker 5: was in a cult, exiting demons whatever. You know, He's

2:24:41 Speaker 5: just meditating, you know, And it took decades of research

2:24:45 Speaker 5: for us to realize that the profound effects of meditation

2:24:48 Speaker 5: on the mind, in the human brain.

2:24:52 Speaker 4: I couldn't agree more So.

2:24:54 Speaker 5: I think I think the movement and the philosophy and

2:25:00 Speaker 5: our explanations are I think they're what people need at

2:25:03 Speaker 5: this time. You know, where we can't people can't buy

2:25:08 Speaker 5: God anymore. Plenty of people say they're Christian, they don't.

2:25:12 Speaker 4: Go to church. This is true. So and did you

2:25:18 Speaker 4: do do you notice like like and actually this is

2:25:26 Speaker 4: super prevalent right now, there's been like a weird resurgence

2:25:29 Speaker 4: in being like Christian in like Silicon Valley, like you know,

2:25:37 Speaker 4: like the Tucker Carlson's, like the Nick Fuentes is all

2:25:41 Speaker 4: these weird guys right Like it's it's like the pendulum

2:25:48 Speaker 4: like swung. Yeah, like a lot of people, like in

2:25:50 Speaker 4: the early two thousands, like late nineties, early two thousands,

2:25:55 Speaker 4: I think like going to church, that's like it's stuff

2:25:58 Speaker 4: slowly was on the decline, yeah right. People became more

2:26:02 Speaker 4: spiritual rather than like religious. But now the panzela's kind of.

2:26:06 Speaker 5: Swinging back and people are like overly yeah Christian now yeah,

2:26:11 Speaker 5: well I wonder if you know, because you're talking twenty

2:26:13 Speaker 5: years ago. And so now you have this younger generational

2:26:16 Speaker 5: that's come of age now yeah right, And in the

2:26:19 Speaker 5: nineties in like Bible Belt area, there's a huge resurgence

2:26:24 Speaker 5: of getting teens to be absent. Yeah right, so there

2:26:29 Speaker 5: was a huge outreach to younger people to be more Christian,

2:26:34 Speaker 5: to be more religious. Yeah, and so now that's all.

2:26:38 Speaker 5: Do you think that is a pace for the worse

2:26:41 Speaker 5: as do you think that is a place in.

2:26:45 Speaker 4: In in.

2:26:48 Speaker 2: Life?

2:26:49 Speaker 4: Like should religion be the one to say that? To

2:26:55 Speaker 4: say to me the authority on that on the authoritium?

2:26:59 Speaker 2: What?

2:27:02 Speaker 4: Mhmm. I don't the fact that you have to be

2:27:10 Speaker 4: abstinate like that, I mean, that's your choice. I don't.

2:27:16 Speaker 4: I could care less what you do. Just does that

2:27:20 Speaker 4: do you do you tell people like you have to

2:27:24 Speaker 4: be abstinate. No, we don't see anything one where is

2:27:28 Speaker 4: what I mean, like, live your life. It's kind of

2:27:30 Speaker 4: interesting that the other side does though. It's a way

2:27:35 Speaker 4: of controlling people mentally. Yeah yeah, damn yes, well I

2:27:44 Speaker 4: do think like I could also want to say, like

2:27:46 Speaker 4: I think it's okay if someone is Christian. Yeah, right,

2:27:50 Speaker 4: Like I think it's okay, Like we should be had

2:27:52 Speaker 4: a couple Yeah. Like I missed the days where you

2:27:56 Speaker 4: could be Democrat or Republican and you can just have

2:28:00 Speaker 4: a conversation and you might not disagree. I mean, but

2:28:03 Speaker 4: you might not agree all the time, but your disagreement

2:28:06 Speaker 4: doesn't make you an enemy. I long for that.

2:28:10 Speaker 5: Yeah, well this is you know, I says. But like,

2:28:14 Speaker 5: also the nature of Christianity is inherently divisive. You either

2:28:20 Speaker 5: believe in my God or they don't. So that's not

2:28:23 Speaker 5: you know, a Republican and a Democrat at least like

2:28:27 Speaker 5: believe in America. They both believe in the same thing,

2:28:30 Speaker 5: and they're just trying to figure out how to get there.

2:28:33 Speaker 5: But if you're Christian or Jewish or Muslim and someone's

2:28:37 Speaker 5: not that you're inherently in conflict with them. There was

2:28:42 Speaker 5: this ad, this political ad that I just saw. Maybe

2:28:48 Speaker 5: you can find it.

2:28:50 Speaker 4: It was too it was it was crazy. It was

2:28:55 Speaker 4: it was someone there were opponents Republican Democrats, and they

2:29:00 Speaker 4: didn't add a political ad together. And they were like,

2:29:04 Speaker 4: I think, you know this should be it should be

2:29:08 Speaker 4: run like this, and the other guy was like, no,

2:29:10 Speaker 4: I think it should be run like this. Vote for me. Then,

2:29:12 Speaker 4: you know, the other guy was like, no, this way,

2:29:14 Speaker 4: vote for me. And then they came together at the

2:29:17 Speaker 4: end and they were like, we don't have to like,

2:29:21 Speaker 4: we don't have to be tearing each other down. We

2:29:26 Speaker 4: all want the same thing, just we want different ways

2:29:29 Speaker 4: to get there. It's like, so they ran the ad

2:29:31 Speaker 4: together and then they said at the end, both of

2:29:34 Speaker 4: them said we approved this message. It was like whoa,

2:29:38 Speaker 4: Like that's that's that's what we need, like a Republican

2:29:44 Speaker 4: And you know it's probably like some you know, not

2:29:48 Speaker 4: meaningless election, but it's probably some low level but the

2:29:51 Speaker 4: ad was amazing to see like two candidates like just

2:29:56 Speaker 4: being like I don't hate you because you know, love

2:30:02 Speaker 4: the neighbor, like or you know, just be respectful of

2:30:06 Speaker 4: your neighbor and their right to exist right and their

2:30:09 Speaker 4: right to their opinion, like we can disagree, but we

2:30:12 Speaker 4: can also not be enemies. And I think again, that's

2:30:16 Speaker 4: what we're missing right now, is the sense of community,

2:30:20 Speaker 4: the sense of something that brings us all together, that

2:30:23 Speaker 4: unites us. Do you think Raylianism could do that?

2:30:28 Speaker 2: Yeah?

2:30:28 Speaker 4: One day, Yeah I do.

2:30:31 Speaker 5: Yeah. And that's another reason why I think it is

2:30:34 Speaker 5: true is that you know, I wouldn't be railing if

2:30:38 Speaker 5: if I had to stand out in front of a

2:30:40 Speaker 5: on the street with a sign that says Aliens hate

2:30:43 Speaker 5: Kaggs or whatever, like, I wouldn't.

2:30:46 Speaker 4: You couldn't. You couldn't pay me to do that. Yeah, okay, okay, so.

2:30:52 Speaker 2: Yeah and.

2:30:57 Speaker 4: There, So what message? What what message would you would

2:31:01 Speaker 4: you leave for people who feel maybe lost searching for

2:31:07 Speaker 4: truth about our reality in our existence. I think if

2:31:12 Speaker 4: you're looking for truth, that's a beautiful thing. I think.

2:31:19 Speaker 5: I think whatever answer would come to, so long as

2:31:21 Speaker 5: it doesn't hurt other people, I think it's fine. Yeah,

2:31:27 Speaker 5: But I think it's important to look for truth and

2:31:29 Speaker 5: not be satisfied with answers that you might have been

2:31:34 Speaker 5: told growing up. I think that's what's like innately interesting

2:31:39 Speaker 5: about the UFOs or UAPs or whatever is that. It

2:31:46 Speaker 5: seems that someone knows something and doesn't want you to know. Yeah,

2:31:50 Speaker 5: so I think it's important whatever the answer is.

2:31:52 Speaker 4: Do you think that knows that's something? I think yeah, Like,

2:31:56 Speaker 4: do you think that deep state knows something? They don't

2:32:00 Speaker 4: have all the pieces, right, they're not completely clued in, Yeah,

2:32:04 Speaker 4: but they know enough to know that there's a there that.

2:32:07 Speaker 2: Yeah.

2:32:08 Speaker 5: I don't know that I would say anyone knows enough

2:32:11 Speaker 5: to think that the movement's a threat, you know, like, oh,

2:32:15 Speaker 5: these people did create us, but we got to like

2:32:18 Speaker 5: not tell people and we got to shoot them down

2:32:20 Speaker 5: if we see them. Like, I don't know, maybe that's happening,

2:32:24 Speaker 5: but that seems kind of like wild to me, you know.

2:32:26 Speaker 5: So I don't think I don't think people have I

2:32:28 Speaker 5: don't think the government has enough pieces to know something

2:32:31 Speaker 5: like that.

2:32:32 Speaker 4: See, you don't think they have like reverse engineered craft

2:32:34 Speaker 4: or anything they might. I know that a lot of

2:32:37 Speaker 4: people think that's what they Stealth jets were aar vs.

2:32:41 Speaker 4: You know, alien reproduction vehicles.

2:32:43 Speaker 5: Could be I've never heard of that, but I mean

2:32:46 Speaker 5: sure it could. Yeah, anything could be possible.

2:32:50 Speaker 4: Yeah, So yeah, I think you know the B two

2:32:57 Speaker 4: and this like the all bombers. I think there's more

2:33:03 Speaker 4: to those than we understand. Like the technology was, Uh,

2:33:07 Speaker 4: there's a guy T Towns in Brown and he broke

2:33:12 Speaker 4: so in the I believe in like the fifties, they

2:33:17 Speaker 4: kept all the scientists. It was all. It was a

2:33:20 Speaker 4: huge thing, and they were saying like the g Engines

2:33:23 Speaker 4: are coming, the g Engines. It was in Popular Mechanics magazine,

2:33:27 Speaker 4: like you know, they were saying like, we're right, we're

2:33:31 Speaker 4: this close to braiding gravity and being able to manipulate

2:33:35 Speaker 4: it in our favor and then boom nothing mhm. It's

2:33:43 Speaker 4: like nothing appened. I guess this doesn't work. Nope, there's

2:33:49 Speaker 4: this guy T Towns and Brown. Yeah, and that so

2:33:56 Speaker 4: T Towns and Brown and this other guy are those

2:34:00 Speaker 4: That's what the Byfield Brown effect is. And it's when

2:34:04 Speaker 4: you charge one side of the aircraft positive and you

2:34:09 Speaker 4: charge the other side negative, creating a magnetic bubble around

2:34:18 Speaker 4: the craft. So you're like, I'm not a scientist. There's

2:34:24 Speaker 4: some sort of technology there, but that they they're doing

2:34:28 Speaker 4: it with even the Stelt bombers, there's like they're highly

2:34:32 Speaker 4: charged particles on you know, on the positive side on

2:34:36 Speaker 4: one wing on the other it's like negative and that

2:34:39 Speaker 4: that's giving it some sort of other like bubble. So

2:34:42 Speaker 4: it's allowed, you know, it's that's still classified part of it.

2:34:48 Speaker 4: We know they exist, but we don't know about that

2:34:51 Speaker 4: side of it. But we think that the But what

2:34:55 Speaker 4: happened was it did they did craft gravity, but it

2:35:00 Speaker 4: went black because the National Security the Patent Office was

2:35:09 Speaker 4: born and that now you had to patent everything and

2:35:14 Speaker 4: had to go through the government, and they can What

2:35:16 Speaker 4: they could do is they could you would file for

2:35:17 Speaker 4: a pattern, they would slap a national security tag on it,

2:35:21 Speaker 4: and then you could only do business with the US government.

2:35:24 Speaker 4: You you're you can't sell it anywhere else and if

2:35:28 Speaker 4: you do, it's treason mhm. So they that's helped me

2:35:31 Speaker 4: lock up technology like locking up on h the public.

2:35:38 Speaker 4: That's how they keep things up back, you know, because Tesla,

2:35:44 Speaker 4: what I mean, do you hear that like a buzzing?

2:35:50 Speaker 2: Do you hear that? Yeah? What is that? H M?

2:36:01 Speaker 4: I thought she was like zoom out the candles mh.

2:36:06 Speaker 3: To be honest, I wouldn't even know how to do that.

2:36:11 Speaker 2: Okay, okay, h mm hmm.

2:36:28 Speaker 4: I let everything touch you might be causing feedback and

2:36:35 Speaker 4: then the cell phone turn about Wi Fi. I can

2:36:42 Speaker 4: hear that, not as much as before.

2:36:56 Speaker 5: M h m hmm.

2:37:00 Speaker 2: Okah kah.

2:37:06 Speaker 7: Rye, it's going right there all I heah. Interesting, it's

2:37:23 Speaker 7: like super faint but not fat. Yeah, alright, anyway back

2:37:28 Speaker 7: in uh tesla mhm.

2:37:31 Speaker 4: They could have gone with his work. They went with

2:37:34 Speaker 4: because you could put a meter on Edison's work. So

2:37:38 Speaker 4: it's just corporate greed. Yeah, has a fear story about this.

2:37:43 Speaker 4: I don know all the details, and they go, you know,

2:37:47 Speaker 4: just I don't know oil companies for trained companies, burying

2:37:56 Speaker 4: competitor technology, right, yep. It's very sad because there's been

2:38:05 Speaker 4: guys like Stanley Myers who created like a hydrogen engine

2:38:11 Speaker 4: and he was poisoned in a cracker barrel. Yeah, so

2:38:16 Speaker 4: it must be suicide. Yeah right, it's always suicide. Yeah,

2:38:20 Speaker 4: it's always they shoot themselves in the back of the

2:38:22 Speaker 4: head twice, You're like, it's a suicide. The hell. But

2:38:29 Speaker 4: we're going to get into a member's only section soon,

2:38:33 Speaker 4: and just a moment, we're already a little bit run late.

2:38:38 Speaker 4: Just a couple of questions rapid fire for the members.

2:38:41 Speaker 4: But this has been really really interesting, really really interesting

2:38:47 Speaker 4: and I would love to continue the conversation, you know,

2:38:51 Speaker 4: sometime again in a larger uh capacity, maybe we could.

2:38:58 Speaker 4: I'll figure something out. But I'd like these kind of

2:39:02 Speaker 4: like bringing not just talking about like UFOs and current disclosure,

2:39:10 Speaker 4: but how other people see the world. It's fascinating to

2:39:15 Speaker 4: me too because there's little things that I learned, and

2:39:18 Speaker 4: it's always it's always something that you might not even

2:39:21 Speaker 4: see in the moment, but it's always like in hindsight,

2:39:24 Speaker 4: so or hindsight being to me tony. So where can

2:39:29 Speaker 4: people like, do you have like a website? I don't

2:39:33 Speaker 4: even know how to ask.

2:39:34 Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, you can go to wrail dot org.

2:39:39 Speaker 5: You can find all of Rail's books of detail on

2:39:42 Speaker 5: these encounters, coming technologies, more about philosophy and meditation, all

2:39:50 Speaker 5: of his well, I don't know, I guess not probably

2:39:52 Speaker 5: not all, but there's hundreds of videos of home speaking

2:39:58 Speaker 5: different meditation tracks. We have transcripts of the speeches. So

2:40:03 Speaker 5: it's a lot of philosophy. You know, you can talk

2:40:07 Speaker 5: about disclosure and what does the government know or hiding

2:40:11 Speaker 5: or you can talk about that all day, but what

2:40:14 Speaker 5: do you do how do.

2:40:15 Speaker 4: You make sense of the universe? Ones saw that comes

2:40:17 Speaker 4: to light. I mean, that's what we have an answer for.

2:40:21 Speaker 4: I think. So you're planning for what comes next. Yes,

2:40:26 Speaker 4: you know it's coming, it's just when, Yes, and you're

2:40:28 Speaker 4: just getting You're like, okay, I've already accepted the fact

2:40:31 Speaker 4: that it that's the truth. We're getting ready.

2:40:35 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean that's why I don't know this. Maybe

2:40:38 Speaker 5: this plays into why we're not worried about converting people

2:40:42 Speaker 5: like they're coming. We're honor way to wealth and we're

2:40:46 Speaker 5: honored way to building the ends. Like I mentioned, So

2:40:50 Speaker 5: this is just preparing people for what's going to happen.

2:40:55 Speaker 5: And so when they come back and when eventually traditional

2:41:00 Speaker 5: religions disappear, something means to fill that void. Humans are

2:41:09 Speaker 5: inherently spiritual, and so how can how do we h

2:41:17 Speaker 5: redefine what spirituality is or how do we how do

2:41:20 Speaker 5: we approach the future with the scientific knowledge that we're

2:41:24 Speaker 5: going to have, and how do we But also yeah,

2:41:29 Speaker 5: I say we reconcile that with the need for spirituality,

2:41:33 Speaker 5: So to have an atheistic spirituality.

2:41:35 Speaker 4: That's the we come in and what we provide. It's

2:41:38 Speaker 4: very interesting, it's very interesting to me.

2:41:44 Speaker 6: M hm.

2:41:45 Speaker 4: Yeah, So you said real dot Org and then m

2:41:52 Speaker 4: do you guys have like do you guys have like churches? No? No,

2:42:00 Speaker 4: not run like that. We oh maybe one day, you know.

2:42:04 Speaker 5: Yeah, we organize like week long seven arts that we

2:42:08 Speaker 5: call Happiness Academies, because again it's very focused on philosophy

2:42:12 Speaker 5: and being happy in the now and present and enjoying life,

2:42:16 Speaker 5: learning to be kind and cultivating compassion for other people

2:42:21 Speaker 5: and for yourself. So we organize these all around the world.

2:42:28 Speaker 5: The biggest ones are held in Japan because that's where

2:42:30 Speaker 5: Royale lives now. But I live in Japan, yes, But

2:42:36 Speaker 5: next year here we're organizing a North American continent one

2:42:40 Speaker 5: that will be held in I don't know if it's

2:42:42 Speaker 5: Montreal or Quebec City. I don't know if they are

2:42:45 Speaker 5: in those details, but it'll be held in Canada. So

2:42:49 Speaker 5: railings from all over the continent, maybe even from other

2:42:51 Speaker 5: continents will be coming. And yeah, I mean it's we

2:42:57 Speaker 5: listen to speeches of Royal doesn't travel anymore, he used to,

2:43:02 Speaker 5: but we listen to the speeches and we practice meditation,

2:43:06 Speaker 5: different workshops.

2:43:07 Speaker 4: And it's a good time.

2:43:10 Speaker 2: Yeah.

2:43:10 Speaker 4: Well, I really appreciate you sitting down for total disclosure.

2:43:15 Speaker 4: You know, often I've talked to u f O researchers,

2:43:20 Speaker 4: you know, members of Congress, investigators, scientists, and I always

2:43:24 Speaker 4: like to throw a curveball and get like a more

2:43:27 Speaker 4: theological discussion in. So thank you so much for doing this.

2:43:34 Speaker 4: You know, I really again, Uh, would you ever would

2:43:41 Speaker 4: would you guys ever sit down and talk to like

2:43:45 Speaker 4: like a Catholic priest? Not maybe not Catholic, but would

2:43:49 Speaker 4: you ever talk to like someone who's part of the

2:43:54 Speaker 4: would you guys ever chat facilitator? That's what I was

2:43:58 Speaker 4: gonna say, happily facilitate that kind of like structural debate

2:44:04 Speaker 4: about Uh interesting, interesting, see how I do? Okay, Well,

2:44:10 Speaker 4: thank you guys everyone, and again always you know, you're

2:44:14 Speaker 4: always welcome back for any kind of chit chat. And

2:44:17 Speaker 4: I'd love to talk more about integrating more discussion. Uh

2:44:23 Speaker 4: you know of course, Uh like I said, for everyone, Uh,

2:44:28 Speaker 4: the members only segment is only members acid eyes on,

2:44:33 Speaker 4: So we're gonna jump over that now. So everyone, thanks

2:44:37 Speaker 4: you see on the other side, stay humble, stay kind.

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