SALEM WITCHES: KIM AKA 'Lady Steele' EXPLAINS WITCHCRAFT in Massachusetts

0:03 Speaker 1: Jishishsh Yeah, Johnny, just wait for it to light up, honey. Okay,

1:19 Speaker 1: whatever you want to do, we're not backing. Mh you

1:27 Speaker 1: know a second hand of yours.

1:31 Speaker 2: My name is Kim Branch. Around here, most people know

1:34 Speaker 2: me as either Lady Steel or the Pirate Witch.

1:38 Speaker 3: Why is that?

1:40 Speaker 2: I was part of Pirate Skilled at one time? So,

1:45 Speaker 2: and and I was I was born and raised on

1:47 Speaker 2: the water basically, so the water is my love.

1:51 Speaker 3: And so yesterday we were here. We filmed with Lee,

1:54 Speaker 3: and we filmed.

1:55 Speaker 4: With Emily, and they brought us into drink of the

2:01 Speaker 4: paranormal in this town.

2:03 Speaker 5: There seems to be some sort of bubble that when

2:06 Speaker 5: you enter into this town there's a different feeling.

2:09 Speaker 2: Oh definitely.

2:11 Speaker 5: On my way out, you had mentioned aliens, you have

2:14 Speaker 5: hoos and all that.

2:17 Speaker 3: So I want you to tell me you've been in Salem?

2:20 Speaker 3: What you're all right?

2:22 Speaker 2: Well, I don't actually live in Salem, but I've been

2:23 Speaker 2: working here almost thirty years, so.

2:25 Speaker 3: You've been working here for a very long Yeah. So

2:27 Speaker 3: you know the locals, you know, I do.

2:29 Speaker 4: And so let's start by talking about the wood Strides. Okay,

2:34 Speaker 4: So can you walk me through why it started? How

2:38 Speaker 4: it happened, and why it happened in colonial north of Erica.

2:44 Speaker 2: Okay, well that's pure at New England was very harsh.

2:48 Speaker 2: There were some pretty strict rules like you could wear bray,

2:51 Speaker 2: you could wear black, or you could wear brown, and

2:53 Speaker 2: that was it. So one of the first women accused

2:56 Speaker 2: of wore red hell shep scandal. She had four husbands,

3:03 Speaker 2: she owned a bar. She was pretty wealthy and independent,

3:07 Speaker 2: and that was a big no no in purit in

3:08 Speaker 2: New England. Now, imagine you're living in those times, times

3:12 Speaker 2: when as a young female, your father could literally be

3:17 Speaker 2: to with an inch of your life for doing something wrong.

3:20 Speaker 2: And you get caught doing something you shouldn't be doing,

3:23 Speaker 2: dancing naked in the woods doing a spell to see

3:27 Speaker 2: your future husband with your your slave. What's your answer

3:32 Speaker 2: going to be the devil made me do it. Yep,

3:37 Speaker 2: And that's how it started.

3:38 Speaker 3: So hysteria spread through this town.

3:44 Speaker 2: It absolutely did, like a pandemic.

3:47 Speaker 3: Next thing, you know, I think, so how long.

3:51 Speaker 2: Did it actually last a little under a year.

3:54 Speaker 3: So people think it lasted.

3:57 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, it was very brief. Yeah.

4:00 Speaker 4: And what led us here was there were in Dulrica,

4:05 Speaker 4: where I'm from, there were three nuns hanged for witchcraft,

4:09 Speaker 4: and I found a place where they were practicing it.

4:14 Speaker 3: Is there such thing as real witchcraft?

4:17 Speaker 5: Absolutely were people performing it then in the sixteenth late

4:21 Speaker 5: sixteenth century.

4:22 Speaker 2: Uh, sort of. I wouldn't call it witchcraft, however, it

4:29 Speaker 2: was folk magic. So have you ever seen Game of Thrones?

4:33 Speaker 2: You know when Brand falls out the window and then

4:36 Speaker 2: Mom is at his bedside, Yes, and she's making a

4:38 Speaker 2: wreath and what is on the reef? Do you remember stage?

4:43 Speaker 3: No? I don't remember.

4:44 Speaker 2: Little dolls And every one of those little dolls represented

4:49 Speaker 2: a stage of Brand's life. So she was literally charting

4:54 Speaker 2: his course, so to speak, you know, from birth to

4:57 Speaker 2: his change and on. Lots of people practiced all magic.

5:04 Speaker 2: Little girls to this day. They played with Barbie and

5:07 Speaker 2: ken Right and they create this homemaker believe world. They're

5:11 Speaker 2: actually doing doll magic. I'm Barbie, I have all these

5:14 Speaker 2: wonderful things. If it's fast car and a hot tub

5:18 Speaker 2: and a playhouse, they're literally doing doll magic. Everybody does it.

5:23 Speaker 2: I mean boys do it with their lego characters or

5:26 Speaker 2: their he man dolls, you know all that stuff. So

5:30 Speaker 2: were they practicing witchcraft? Now? They were doing some folk magic.

5:33 Speaker 2: But everybody did back then exactly. I mean, you didn't

5:38 Speaker 2: run to the doctor when you had a cold, you know,

5:41 Speaker 2: you usually went to see the local midwife, because the

5:44 Speaker 2: local wind wife, she would have been skilled in the

5:47 Speaker 2: arts of herbalism and healing, and that would have been

5:50 Speaker 2: a great thing.

5:52 Speaker 3: That's a lot of sense.

5:54 Speaker 4: So with that, they end up hanging burning, no burning,

6:03 Speaker 4: not here, no no no burning no. So uh, they

6:06 Speaker 4: end up pressing the gentleman and hanging women and mens children.

6:14 Speaker 4: Do you think that that was because the land itself

6:18 Speaker 4: is already different or is the land different because of

6:23 Speaker 4: the tragedy, if any makes sense?

6:27 Speaker 2: I think that so it escalated into a hysteria because

6:32 Speaker 2: once these little girls realized that that they literally had

6:36 Speaker 2: power over the entire town, and they were very you know,

6:39 Speaker 2: they were prepebescent, and they had all the power. You know,

6:45 Speaker 2: you don't like missus Jones fall on the floor, screams,

6:48 Speaker 2: she's pinching you, and she goes to trial. In the end,

6:52 Speaker 2: it also became very profitable to accuse somebody to witchcraft.

6:58 Speaker 6: Everything.

6:58 Speaker 4: Yeah, right, sense that that woman he talked about, she

7:02 Speaker 4: owned a business.

7:03 Speaker 3: Sure that was taken from yep.

7:06 Speaker 2: But as an accuser. You've got some of that. Oh

7:10 Speaker 2: so it became profitable, so there was a.

7:12 Speaker 3: Big for accusing someone. Yeah, okay, it makes a lot

7:16 Speaker 3: more sense.

7:16 Speaker 6: Yeah.

7:17 Speaker 4: Now do you think it's disrespectful or respectful that which

7:21 Speaker 4: is now hold the land and in memory and practice

7:26 Speaker 4: witchcraft openly invite instead of you not being able to

7:32 Speaker 4: flaunt your true self here now Salem embraces.

7:35 Speaker 2: All of that exactly.

7:37 Speaker 3: Do you think that is respectful or disrespect.

7:39 Speaker 2: I think it's very respectful too. I think it shows

7:42 Speaker 2: to the world that, uh, you know, we're just people.

7:47 Speaker 2: We just believe a little differently. But in the end

7:50 Speaker 2: do we right? You know, most witches lived by some

7:55 Speaker 2: form of do unto others as you would have done

7:57 Speaker 2: unto you. We call it harm none. But it's the

8:00 Speaker 2: same thing in the end, uh so, which is people,

8:06 Speaker 2: you know.

8:06 Speaker 3: So, so what you're saying is everyone in Salem at

8:10 Speaker 3: night doesn't get around a big cauldron.

8:13 Speaker 2: Absolutely not. Now, we don't do that.

8:17 Speaker 4: But you know, there are some peculiar peculiarities with the land.

8:21 Speaker 3: There are the same Salem land. It's on the way line.

8:25 Speaker 4: We know this to be. It induces something to whatever

8:32 Speaker 4: is inside of it. Yeah, there's something strong in the south.

8:36 Speaker 4: There have been UFO sightings, prominent UFO sightings.

8:40 Speaker 3: Her normal activity, of course.

8:42 Speaker 4: Can you go into some of the stuff that you

8:44 Speaker 4: know about, and you you've been here the longest that

8:48 Speaker 4: if anyone we've talked to, you've you've worked in the area.

8:51 Speaker 4: Can you tell us some stories.

8:53 Speaker 2: Sure. So Salem was not only known for its which is,

8:55 Speaker 2: but it was known for its pirates. It was equally

8:58 Speaker 2: famous for that. At the time, Salem was the richest

9:01 Speaker 2: port in the United States. It was a port town.

9:05 Speaker 2: Most of the sailors and all the other merchants and

9:10 Speaker 2: so on that lived in a port town were very

9:14 Speaker 2: tuned in to the local witches. Why because they could

9:18 Speaker 2: do spells for good weather. You know, everybody wants fair

9:23 Speaker 2: following seas, right, You don't want a hurricane to take

9:25 Speaker 2: you out. You go see the local witch. You have

9:27 Speaker 2: her do some sort of a spell to aid and

9:30 Speaker 2: keeping you safe while you're out at sea. You come

9:32 Speaker 2: back safely. She makes a little money off of it,

9:35 Speaker 2: hopefully you make some money off of it. So it

9:38 Speaker 2: was a very good trade.

9:39 Speaker 3: So it's harmonious.

9:40 Speaker 2: At one point it was absolutely harmonious and it wasn't.

9:44 Speaker 3: And so big pirate town comes with that. I mean

9:48 Speaker 3: that comes with a lot of stuff. It comes with

9:50 Speaker 3: a lot of stuff, right, a lot of good stuff

9:53 Speaker 3: and a lot of bad stuff as well. And how

9:58 Speaker 3: does aliens tie into all this?

10:00 Speaker 2: Oh, there were actually a few famous pirates that come

10:02 Speaker 2: from here, right. So you have Benjamin Hornegold who trained

10:06 Speaker 2: Edward Cheach black Beard and literally black Beard, and he

10:11 Speaker 2: also trained a very fine gentleman named Sam Bellamy, also

10:16 Speaker 2: known as Black Sam Bellamy, the richest pirate in the

10:20 Speaker 2: world at the time. She was only a pirate for

10:26 Speaker 2: about a year. And then on his return to Wellfleet

10:31 Speaker 2: on Cape Cod, he had a love there who had

10:34 Speaker 2: been scorned by her father because she was with child.

10:37 Speaker 2: She didn't do well, but she took up midwiffery, she

10:40 Speaker 2: took up herbalism, i e. Witchcraft, Okay, and she unfortunately

10:46 Speaker 2: the baby died and she was put on trial, but

10:48 Speaker 2: she escaped twice and then the towns started screaming she

10:51 Speaker 2: was witch. Well Sam Bellamy was on his way back.

10:55 Speaker 2: They were going to stop in Walfleet and then they

10:57 Speaker 2: were going to go to Maine. But he was coming

10:58 Speaker 2: by to get me his love Maria. In the process,

11:03 Speaker 2: they ran into a north easter. Now, he was on

11:07 Speaker 2: the on the Galley Widow, which was a very big ship,

11:10 Speaker 2: forty can and it was huge. It was really the

11:13 Speaker 2: cream of crop. It was carrying approximately six ships worth

11:17 Speaker 2: of cargo, gold, rum, wine, silver, the krem de la Creme. Yeah,

11:25 Speaker 2: so they run into a north easter just off the

11:28 Speaker 2: coast of the cape and he hit a shoal and

11:32 Speaker 2: the ship breaks and halfen sings. Two people's arrived and

11:40 Speaker 2: everything's spilt across the ocean floor. Now Maria is out

11:43 Speaker 2: on the dunes because she knows he's coming, and searching

11:47 Speaker 2: the next day along the shoreline for her love. Well,

11:51 Speaker 2: they can't find him. Only two people's arrived. Now howloo.

11:55 Speaker 2: Aliens tie into that. What do they say about the

11:59 Speaker 2: Annaki the creators? And why did they create us? Gold?

12:07 Speaker 2: What was on that pirate ship? There was gold. There

12:10 Speaker 2: was a lot of gold.

12:11 Speaker 3: I'm surprised, so you know, I do. So do you

12:16 Speaker 3: think they stepped in?

12:19 Speaker 2: I don't know if they stepped in, but they were

12:21 Speaker 2: certainly taking advantage of the situation.

12:25 Speaker 3: They told us that never left.

12:32 Speaker 4: Actually, so there are some versions of the text where

12:36 Speaker 4: some say the left, but some say that they did not.

12:40 Speaker 2: Right.

12:40 Speaker 4: Are you under the impression that what we're seeing in

12:43 Speaker 4: the skies is them?

12:45 Speaker 2: I mean, I don't really have an opinion one of

12:48 Speaker 2: them one way or the other. I'd have to I'd

12:49 Speaker 2: have to see one. Actually, I'm gonna show me kind

12:53 Speaker 2: of girl.

12:54 Speaker 3: Right, I think that's very.

12:59 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting. And we're less than forty miles from

13:03 Speaker 2: the bridge wrought a triangle which you know sasquatch, you know,

13:08 Speaker 2: little fairy folk. There's all kinds of things that go

13:10 Speaker 2: on supposedly in the Bridgewater Triangle. We're spinning distance right,

13:14 Speaker 2: and we're going there next, are you? Oh? Oh have fun?

13:18 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's my next start.

13:19 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you'll enjoy that.

13:21 Speaker 3: But there there.

13:24 Speaker 4: Was there's clearly something about this region, yes, right, the

13:29 Speaker 4: beginning of the new land, right, creating a new uh

13:34 Speaker 4: like a new.

13:35 Speaker 2: Way of life, a whole new society.

13:37 Speaker 4: A whole new society, right, And it was one based

13:40 Speaker 4: off of.

13:43 Speaker 3: Not agreed but wanting to start.

13:48 Speaker 2: And the reason the Puritans came here was for religious freedom.

13:52 Speaker 2: And then it got all turned around and is it.

13:57 Speaker 3: Ah, that's how the irony worked, right, yep? How it

14:01 Speaker 3: all came full circle.

14:02 Speaker 4: Yep, because if those people then could see what was here.

14:07 Speaker 2: Now, Oh, should they be horrified?

14:12 Speaker 3: They would try to be killing you all.

14:13 Speaker 2: Oh yeah absolutely.

14:14 Speaker 3: But it's it's something. Is there is something about Salem?

14:18 Speaker 2: Yeah, so you mentioned the lay lines, but there's also

14:21 Speaker 2: there's what we call memory of place. So when the

14:25 Speaker 2: Puritans came, there wasn't native tribe here prior to that, well,

14:30 Speaker 2: they were pushed out. Okay. So there's bad incident number one. Okay,

14:36 Speaker 2: And then of course you have the witch trials, and

14:38 Speaker 2: you have there's other infighting. You've got the Revolutionary War,

14:42 Speaker 2: You've got there's all these things that leave a memory. Now,

14:46 Speaker 2: the most recent, as far as I know, big event

14:52 Speaker 2: was in nineteen fourteen, a big fire went through Salem. Yes,

14:57 Speaker 2: devastated a lot of well, there was a lot of

14:59 Speaker 2: death that and along with that, it's not like they

15:01 Speaker 2: had ladders, brooks and ladders back then, you know exactly

15:06 Speaker 2: exactly did.

15:09 Speaker 3: There's always been something.

15:11 Speaker 2: Always and the land naturally holds that.

15:15 Speaker 4: So you think, do you think that what we see

15:18 Speaker 4: as ghosts or maybe just echoes.

15:21 Speaker 2: I feel like some of them are. I think some

15:23 Speaker 2: of them are actual flesh and blood spirits. But most

15:30 Speaker 2: of what Salem is is it's a massive uh, it's

15:33 Speaker 2: a land memory and there's a lot of residual haunting,

15:37 Speaker 2: if you will. A lot of the homes here are haunted,

15:40 Speaker 2: a lot of the businesses are haunted. We all have

15:42 Speaker 2: our little spirit who runs around. We just kind of

15:45 Speaker 2: accept it.

15:45 Speaker 3: Have you ever seen anything like that? You can't explain.

15:50 Speaker 2: I mean here in.

15:52 Speaker 4: Pentagram around we are literally steps from one of the

15:59 Speaker 4: oldest great sites in the world.

16:01 Speaker 2: Yeah, if not well in the US, yes, especially Yeah,

16:06 Speaker 2: it's the second oldest in the United States.

16:09 Speaker 3: Have you ever seen anything?

16:12 Speaker 2: I've seen shadows and shapes. I've had people bring me

16:15 Speaker 2: pictures and some of the pictures are amazing. So, like

16:19 Speaker 2: I was telling you before, I used to work next

16:21 Speaker 2: door and I used to do spellcastings for people and

16:25 Speaker 2: people would bring me their cameras after they would be

16:27 Speaker 2: out over at the cemetery taking pictures. And I've had

16:30 Speaker 2: people bring me a camera and go, what is this.

16:34 Speaker 2: I've seen full body apparitions in their pictures. I've seen orbs.

16:38 Speaker 2: I've seen yeah, so little glorgs like yeah, yeah, you

16:44 Speaker 2: get a lot of those in the cemetery. After dark.

16:46 Speaker 2: Just stand there with camera and be patient. You'll get them.

16:49 Speaker 2: It's pretty active.

16:51 Speaker 3: Do you ever think do you ever think if we

16:57 Speaker 3: were to find out that we are not if.

17:01 Speaker 4: The government of the world, you know, came out let's

17:05 Speaker 4: just call it the United States, starts at the un

17:08 Speaker 4: and finishes it, we find out the first block is

17:13 Speaker 4: or not alone in the universe?

17:14 Speaker 3: Exactly what do you think that does the to society

17:20 Speaker 3: and to sale.

17:22 Speaker 2: I think it would hurt a lot of the larger

17:24 Speaker 2: religions in the world because it kind of blasts apart

17:27 Speaker 2: their whole creation story. If you will. You know, anthropologists

17:31 Speaker 2: and archaeologists all agree there's never been a time in

17:33 Speaker 2: history we didn't believe in magic. Yeah, you know, so

17:37 Speaker 2: there's that and if your mind is opened, you wouldapt

17:42 Speaker 2: and if it's not, you don't and you don't survive.

17:45 Speaker 6: See, we've been told by many people that in the

17:52 Speaker 6: next couple of years we will be finding out that

17:55 Speaker 6: we are not alone.

17:57 Speaker 3: Do you think that that, Well, you've seen a that.

18:00 Speaker 4: He increase in visitors to sail and oh yeah, in Halloween.

18:04 Speaker 3: Time, all the time, all the time. Yeah, do you

18:08 Speaker 3: think that?

18:09 Speaker 4: Do you think that the people will start flocking here

18:12 Speaker 4: even more.

18:16 Speaker 2: I think, you know that that's an interesting question. I

18:21 Speaker 2: think if there was like a really big sighting over

18:23 Speaker 2: a Salem, absolutely because we would have hords of people

18:28 Speaker 2: from all different interest groups. You know, we get the

18:32 Speaker 2: people that you know, they come and they want to

18:33 Speaker 2: see all the hocus pocus stuff, or they want to

18:36 Speaker 2: see the witches and the black hats and the long dresses.

18:39 Speaker 2: And sometimes we don't dress like this. Sometimes we wear

18:42 Speaker 2: blue jeans and workers, you know, because we are just people,

18:46 Speaker 2: sometimes with a telerate, your bank, you know. Right, A

18:50 Speaker 2: lot of people understand that exactly, which is normal people.

18:54 Speaker 3: And that's what out of.

18:56 Speaker 4: All the interviews that we've done here, I think that's

18:58 Speaker 4: what we get to is Salem is full of now

19:01 Speaker 4: just regular people, but it's a special, special.

19:06 Speaker 2: Place, and some of them are regular people who have

19:09 Speaker 2: to practice magic. And it's not a bad thing. It's

19:12 Speaker 2: not a bad bad it's not a bad thing. There's

19:15 Speaker 2: no such thing as good or bad magic. There's only

19:17 Speaker 2: good abroad people. And that doesn't matter your belief system.

19:20 Speaker 2: It doesn't mean it's just good and bad people.

19:23 Speaker 3: Do you believe in a god?

19:25 Speaker 2: I believe lots of them.

19:26 Speaker 3: Lots of God. They always told us they to return.

19:30 Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

19:32 Speaker 3: Salem seems to be into the places that they might

19:34 Speaker 3: return to.

19:35 Speaker 4: You.

19:36 Speaker 2: Well, they'd certainly be welcomed with.

19:38 Speaker 4: The Great Bear and the te Guisa right stone end,

19:41 Speaker 4: there's places that seem to draw people. Yes, right, So

19:46 Speaker 4: when you say, I think if a good sighting happens,

19:50 Speaker 4: I think they're not going to show themselves over Washington,

19:55 Speaker 4: d C. So they can get shot down at the

19:57 Speaker 4: miss right, They're going to show themselves.

19:59 Speaker 2: Well, they'll be except So I think that's true in

20:02 Speaker 2: the next couple of years.

20:03 Speaker 3: I think you may.

20:07 Speaker 2: It's not a bad thing. My brother used to tell

20:09 Speaker 2: me I was an alien, So tell me more. So

20:13 Speaker 2: I was born as an rage factor, baby, what does

20:15 Speaker 2: that mean? So my blood was a different r age

20:19 Speaker 2: factor than my mother's so at birth, like her blood

20:24 Speaker 2: tried to kill my blood. Oh god, so I needed

20:27 Speaker 2: a bunch of transfusions. Now, it said, and I don't

20:31 Speaker 2: have empirical proof, but most of the royals have urge

20:34 Speaker 2: factor of blood negative our age factor blood. And that's

20:38 Speaker 2: why they intermarried, you know, they marry. That's why it

20:42 Speaker 2: keeps the bloodline pure. It also keeps you from losing

20:45 Speaker 2: your children, because if you have an RAGE positive and

20:48 Speaker 2: an RH negative, be a good killed child. Like I

20:51 Speaker 2: was a medical impossibility. But here I am so.

20:57 Speaker 4: M what.

21:00 Speaker 2: We could be. You know, someday we'll know.

21:03 Speaker 3: Someday we'll know.

21:04 Speaker 4: But has a medium said, you don't practice openly?

21:08 Speaker 3: Oh?

21:09 Speaker 2: I do?

21:10 Speaker 3: So you don't do it for my No? What do you?

21:15 Speaker 3: What is the other side telling you? Is there something

21:18 Speaker 3: called me?

21:19 Speaker 2: I think there's lots of things happening, and I think

21:23 Speaker 2: sooner than we think, because I think, especially in America,

21:27 Speaker 2: things are at a tipping point right now. It's a

21:31 Speaker 2: very serious tipping point. It's the worst it's ever been.

21:33 Speaker 2: People are in a panic, you know, and we notice

21:36 Speaker 2: it here too, you know, we get the crowds, but

21:40 Speaker 2: they're hesitant, you know, there, hesitant to you know, spend

21:45 Speaker 2: their money or stay or you know, because I think

21:48 Speaker 2: people are afraid and we're at that point where something bigger.

21:54 Speaker 3: Has to happen, a big confirmation.

21:58 Speaker 6: Yeah.

21:59 Speaker 3: Uh.

22:00 Speaker 4: One of the mediums yesterday said she first first shadowed

22:04 Speaker 4: a title way. Now we could suggest that that's the

22:09 Speaker 4: title wave literally or metaphorically exactly right, a title wave

22:14 Speaker 4: of information.

22:20 Speaker 2: Of people fleeing a repressive area where they live.

22:24 Speaker 7: So any of those kinds of things coming from the way,

22:29 Speaker 7: any of that, I mean, I've been on edge for

22:32 Speaker 7: a month, three months, so there's something coming.

22:36 Speaker 2: There's something, there's something I think.

22:40 Speaker 4: And just to go back to the witch trials, Okay,

22:47 Speaker 4: do you think that they targeting specifically educated women.

22:52 Speaker 2: Well, in a Puritan man's viewpoint, they were a threat

22:58 Speaker 2: to their manhoods, to their hierarchy. You know, thousands of

23:05 Speaker 2: years ago things were basically a matriarchy, and now the

23:08 Speaker 2: men run the show. And look where we are.

23:10 Speaker 4: I mean, they came here to start that and ended

23:14 Speaker 4: up turning on its return.

23:16 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so weird to me.

23:19 Speaker 4: That's why I can't wrap my head around the whole thing. Yeah,

23:23 Speaker 4: the fact that.

23:24 Speaker 3: There was that harmony, right, ask for blessings for my ship.

23:30 Speaker 7: Exactly to turn on them just as quick you and

23:34 Speaker 7: to have such a savage moment in history, well exactly.

23:38 Speaker 2: But imagine you leave, you leave England and you have

23:42 Speaker 2: all these rules and all these regulations, which is really

23:44 Speaker 2: what they were fleeing. It was less about religion, I think,

23:48 Speaker 2: and more about just fleeing the oppressiveness. Okay, they come here,

23:53 Speaker 2: they got their freedom, They can practices they want, they

23:57 Speaker 2: can do what they want. But unfortunately, how are breeds

24:02 Speaker 2: and corruption?

24:02 Speaker 3: Corruption?

24:04 Speaker 2: So and when you're the only big guy in town,

24:08 Speaker 2: you know, it's pretty easy to go corrupt pretty quick.

24:11 Speaker 4: So the census I get is that the witch trials

24:16 Speaker 4: were a witch hunt, yes, for something that didn't really

24:20 Speaker 4: exist exactly.

24:21 Speaker 2: Can I address that for a minute, because I hate

24:23 Speaker 2: hearing the term witch hunt in the media. Yes, And

24:30 Speaker 2: I absolutely hate that because, first of all, the people

24:33 Speaker 2: that are using those words are getting trials, fair trials,

24:38 Speaker 2: They have legal representation, they have billions of dollars these

24:43 Speaker 2: women and men on their back. Yeah. And they stood

24:49 Speaker 2: right there at the gallows and recited the Lord's prayer

24:51 Speaker 2: and it didn't matter because the decision had already been made.

24:55 Speaker 2: All you needed was empirical evidence.

25:00 Speaker 3: How do you think? How do you think? Why do

25:05 Speaker 3: you think the town stepped in and said, no.

25:09 Speaker 2: This is not well, they started accusing powerful people.

25:12 Speaker 3: It's not how it stopped. How did it stop?

25:16 Speaker 2: Accused the governor's wife and he said, he said, that's

25:19 Speaker 2: it done.

25:21 Speaker 3: Cut the corn.

25:21 Speaker 2: Yeah, isn't done. Yeah, And because everything was based on

25:29 Speaker 2: spectral evidence. So Cotton Mather, who was very well known,

25:33 Speaker 2: can you say that Cotton Mather stepped in and said,

25:37 Speaker 2: you have to have more proof than somebody saying that

25:41 Speaker 2: they saw or that you're pinching me. I can't see

25:45 Speaker 2: you pinching me. You can't just say something without backing

25:49 Speaker 2: that up.

25:51 Speaker 4: So that's it's funny how it ended. Yeah, because it

25:56 Speaker 4: got too close.

25:57 Speaker 2: To home exactly.

26:00 Speaker 4: I wonder if do you ever wonder if his wife

26:03 Speaker 4: was never accused, how much longer it would.

26:05 Speaker 3: Have went on.

26:06 Speaker 2: I think at some point there would have been a

26:09 Speaker 2: very big rebellion.

26:11 Speaker 4: But I guess that's I guess I said last question

26:14 Speaker 4: a while ago. But was safe the only place where

26:21 Speaker 4: this was happening?

26:23 Speaker 3: Where was this happening?

26:25 Speaker 2: There were there was a woman named Sarah Spencer who

26:29 Speaker 2: was hanged in Connecticut, There were hanging in Rhode Island,

26:33 Speaker 2: and name so people were being tried all over the place.

26:37 Speaker 2: It wasn't just Sialement's just that in Salement was such

26:39 Speaker 2: a large amount in such a short little time that

26:43 Speaker 2: it was like this blaring alarm that something is wrong, right.

26:48 Speaker 3: And it ended up in my backyard, Yeah.

26:51 Speaker 4: Where a group of three nuns were hanged for practicing,

26:56 Speaker 4: which now again I have evidences that they were, But

27:03 Speaker 4: was it the folk magic?

27:04 Speaker 2: You're exactly exactly, because again none just do what they

27:09 Speaker 2: take a vow of poverty. Well, if you're poor, what

27:13 Speaker 2: do you do heal yourself? You know, you have to

27:17 Speaker 2: do your own things. You grow your herbs, you make

27:19 Speaker 2: your own medicine, you do everything you can to survive.

27:24 Speaker 3: If I could show you some of.

27:25 Speaker 4: These sites, the site that I found, would you be

27:29 Speaker 4: able to tell if something possibly?

27:32 Speaker 3: Okay, So when.

27:34 Speaker 4: I I'm gonna show you a couple of things later, okay, okay, yeah, and.

27:41 Speaker 3: I just want your take on them. Okay, that's off camera.

27:45 Speaker 3: But you've been really, really fun to talk.

27:49 Speaker 2: Oh, thank you.

27:52 Speaker 4: Next time, next time we're here, we're definitely gonna come excellent,

27:57 Speaker 4: because I would love to go to the Bridgewater Triangle

28:01 Speaker 4: and be able to show you what.

28:04 Speaker 3: I can bring up.

28:05 Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be great. I would appreciate that. But would.

28:10 Speaker 3: Wow, this is the real last question.

28:13 Speaker 4: Do you think the government or some sort of entity

28:19 Speaker 4: should come into sale and reinvestigate the paranormal science to

28:24 Speaker 4: see if it's really.

28:26 Speaker 2: I don't think they're interested. Why not well, because they

28:29 Speaker 2: don't want us.

28:29 Speaker 3: To know anything, they can't protect us.

28:32 Speaker 2: Well, there's that, I mean, certainly, but they just they

28:36 Speaker 2: want to keep us. I mean, you know, in their eyes,

28:38 Speaker 2: we're sheep. That's a good way, you know, they don't

28:42 Speaker 2: want to tell us b