Secrecy Among 'Legacy UFO programs' (Ft. Congressman Burlison)

0:29 Speaker 1: All right, everybody, welcome back to the Total Disclosure Podcast.

0:35 Speaker 1: Will repeal back the layers of secrecy and shine a

0:38 Speaker 1: light on the truth that shape our world. I'm your host, Tie,

0:43 Speaker 1: and today we're honored to have one of my favorite

0:45 Speaker 1: members of Congress and a true champion in the fight

0:49 Speaker 1: for transparency, Representative Eric Berlason from Missouri's seventh district. Rep.

0:55 Speaker 1: Burlason has been at the forefront of the UFO UAP

0:59 Speaker 1: discussion and investigation in Congress, working tirelessly alongside colleagues like Rep.

1:06 Speaker 1: Anna Pauline A Luna and Representative Tim Burshett to demand

1:10 Speaker 1: answers from not only the government, but from private contractors

1:14 Speaker 1: and the deep state apparatus that's kept these secrets buried

1:19 Speaker 1: for decades, from whistleblower protections to subpoena powers and beyond.

1:23 Speaker 1: He's pushing for a disclosure that can redefine humanity's place

1:27 Speaker 1: in the universe. In this episode, we're going to be

1:30 Speaker 1: tackling everything from advanced technologies hidden in plain sight, to

1:34 Speaker 1: potential interven interventions by non human intelligence, and even darker

1:39 Speaker 1: connections like to figures like Jeffrey Epstein. With that being said,

1:45 Speaker 1: I'd like to welcome my friend Eric Berlson, Rep. Burlison. Rep. Burlison,

2:00 Speaker 1: thank you for joining me. This is your third appearance

2:03 Speaker 1: on Total Disclosure, not including the recent meeting that I was.

2:09 Speaker 1: I was unable to attend with Robert Salas, but you

2:15 Speaker 1: you met with him, and I was a little under

2:17 Speaker 1: the weather. I couldn't make the hearing, even though I

2:19 Speaker 1: was invited by you guys, and it was it was

2:23 Speaker 1: I literally killed me not to be there. But at

2:26 Speaker 1: the first, the second hearing in with witnesses, the one

2:31 Speaker 1: that Alizonder testified at, I had brought Salas in to

2:36 Speaker 1: meet with Mith Mace and that had gone over so

2:40 Speaker 1: well that, you know, when you and I kind of

2:43 Speaker 1: got in touch, I wanted to do the same thing

2:46 Speaker 1: because the nuclear witnesses are something that's very close to

2:48 Speaker 1: me and it's a topic that I'm really passionate about. Huh.

2:54 Speaker 1: Kind of just starting off the show, how did that

2:57 Speaker 1: meeting go and how how did did it open your

2:59 Speaker 1: eyes to certain things? How was it to be briefed

3:02 Speaker 1: by Captain Robert Sallis of the Malmstroam case.

3:06 Speaker 2: Yeah, mister Sallas is an amazing human being. He's you know,

3:12 Speaker 2: and he and he's very bold. You know, he's put

3:14 Speaker 2: his reputation on the line. He's a patriot who served

3:18 Speaker 2: our country and and he's got a remarkable story. So

3:23 Speaker 2: it and he certainly was somebody that you know, he

3:26 Speaker 2: wasn't like a low level individually. He was pretty high

3:29 Speaker 2: up in his rank whenever the event happened. And to

3:33 Speaker 2: hear his story firsthand and to meet him firsthand was

3:35 Speaker 2: a real honor for me. So it was, it was,

3:39 Speaker 2: it was great. And thank you for helping to set

3:41 Speaker 2: that up.

3:42 Speaker 1: Ye oh, my god. And that's one thing I wanted

3:46 Speaker 1: to kind of start with because I I kind of

3:51 Speaker 1: know my place in the community. I have these discussions,

3:55 Speaker 1: I facilitate stories, and I facilitate people being able to talk.

4:02 Speaker 1: You know. Uh, we had a phone call the other night,

4:04 Speaker 1: you and I and I said, you know, I don't

4:06 Speaker 1: care if you tell me you're a vampire. I want

4:09 Speaker 1: to hear more right. I probably won't hang out with

4:11 Speaker 1: you past a certain hour, but or hang out with

4:14 Speaker 1: you at all, but I'm willing to hear you out right.

4:17 Speaker 1: And I think that's something that you and I both

4:18 Speaker 1: have in common. You know, we're we're not afraid of

4:23 Speaker 1: of people in the community being like, why are you

4:26 Speaker 1: talking to that person? Why are you talking to that person?

4:29 Speaker 1: It's something that I've really respected about you, you know,

4:34 Speaker 1: pretty much since I met you and since you started

4:38 Speaker 1: getting into this topic. How's it been. I mean, it's

4:41 Speaker 1: it's it's been about a year now, right, a little

4:45 Speaker 1: over a year. How's that been.

4:48 Speaker 2: It's a pretty steep learning curve, especially getting to know

4:51 Speaker 2: all the all the players involved, getting oh yeah, and

4:55 Speaker 2: everybody that's passionate about this topic. There's there's a lot

4:59 Speaker 2: of people. And then also you have the it's it's

5:01 Speaker 2: a very rich history involved in and so if you know,

5:05 Speaker 2: one can spend years just researching all of the events

5:09 Speaker 2: and the timelines of those events and locations and the details.

5:13 Speaker 2: And so there's there's quite a bit to you know,

5:17 Speaker 2: jump into. But I feel like we I've jumped in

5:20 Speaker 2: with both feet and have an open mind about it.

5:23 Speaker 2: And so it's been it's been quite a year and

5:26 Speaker 2: a half or more.

5:28 Speaker 1: Yeah, And and and looking back on twenty twenty five,

5:32 Speaker 1: you know, just to again kind of warm ourselves up

5:36 Speaker 1: into the conversation, how do you look at twenty twenty

5:40 Speaker 1: five as a whole now that you know, we're the

5:44 Speaker 1: first day out of twenty twenty five or in twenty

5:46 Speaker 1: twenty six. Now looking back on twenty twenty five for

5:51 Speaker 1: the UFO UAP topic and you know, broader, broader, some

5:56 Speaker 1: broader things. Where do you think we're at. Do you

5:59 Speaker 1: think we're in a good going forward? Do you think

6:02 Speaker 1: we need to change some things?

6:05 Speaker 2: I think we're in a good place. Obviously, there's more

6:08 Speaker 2: that we can do, and we plan to do more.

6:12 Speaker 2: I would say the successes that we've had in twenty

6:14 Speaker 2: twenty five or that you've got you know, you know,

6:18 Speaker 2: a lot more awareness from from the different branches of

6:22 Speaker 2: the government. So you've got more awareness from the intelligence

6:25 Speaker 2: community of this topic. You've got more involvement from the

6:32 Speaker 2: different from you know, the FBI and others that are

6:37 Speaker 2: paying more attention to these reports, particularly because you've got

6:42 Speaker 2: you know, it kind of overlaps quite a bit with

6:45 Speaker 2: with drones and so there's there's a lot of drone

6:49 Speaker 2: activity that's happening, and so it's kind of forcing the

6:52 Speaker 2: different agencies in the government to pay attention, to pay

6:55 Speaker 2: quite a bit more attention and to dedicate some sort

6:59 Speaker 2: of you know, surveillance equipment and research towards this topic,

7:03 Speaker 2: and I think that all of that is a good thing.

7:04 Speaker 2: And I think the hearings that we've had and the

7:08 Speaker 2: focus this last year has only elevated the conversation. I

7:11 Speaker 2: think having the the film Age of Disclosure come out

7:15 Speaker 2: has only elevated the conversation more. Having some key players

7:19 Speaker 2: like Marco Rubio in that documentary was is I think groundbreaking,

7:25 Speaker 2: and so I think that this year has moved the

7:29 Speaker 2: ball forward absolutely.

7:31 Speaker 1: I couldn't you know, I'll kind of skip ahead. I

7:36 Speaker 1: had this a little bit. I think I had this

7:37 Speaker 1: as my second actual written question. You mentioned Age of Disclosure,

7:44 Speaker 1: you know, in what many call the Age of Disclosure

7:50 Speaker 1: for UFOs and UAPs. What were some of your key

7:53 Speaker 1: takeaways from from the film from recent developments and what

7:59 Speaker 1: do you believe the broader implications for society, technology, global

8:03 Speaker 1: security will be going forward.

8:07 Speaker 2: I think one of the most remarkable conversations that I

8:10 Speaker 2: that I pulled from that was when Marco Rubio was

8:13 Speaker 2: absolutely when he was discussing the fact that people assume

8:17 Speaker 2: that the president is read in on day one, and

8:21 Speaker 2: I think he might have been paraphrasing what others have

8:23 Speaker 2: told him, and he and we often get we often

8:27 Speaker 2: get blamed for things like I often I'm in interviews

8:30 Speaker 2: all the time and I'll be repeating what somebody has

8:33 Speaker 2: told me, and it gets somehow reported is what I'm

8:36 Speaker 2: saying is fact when I'm just relaying what I've been told.

8:40 Speaker 2: And but at the end of the day, to hear

8:44 Speaker 2: from Marco Rubio in that documentary that the president is

8:50 Speaker 2: in essence and on a need to know basis is

8:55 Speaker 2: was jaw dropping for me. I think the other thing

8:59 Speaker 2: that was kind of a jaw dropper was when Clapper

9:01 Speaker 2: talked about I believe was Clapper was when he was

9:03 Speaker 2: talking about that that there was there was UAP activity

9:08 Speaker 2: over Area fifty one and that that was something that

9:11 Speaker 2: was being investigated. So the fact that You've got some

9:15 Speaker 2: major players that were coming forward, willing to come forward

9:18 Speaker 2: and test and provide their narrative to that documentary, I

9:22 Speaker 2: think was was really compelling. I think that Dan Farah

9:28 Speaker 2: did a fantastic job, and I think that he kind

9:30 Speaker 2: of kept it on track. Part of the journey of

9:34 Speaker 2: this process for me has you know, if you allow it,

9:38 Speaker 2: it'll take you down some rabbit holes that are pretty crazy.

9:42 Speaker 2: And I try to try to have an open mind,

9:45 Speaker 2: but sometimes you have these conversations and you think, how

9:49 Speaker 2: in the world did I end up in this conversation?

9:53 Speaker 2: And I but I think Dan Farah did a good

9:55 Speaker 2: job of just kind of keeping that grounded and doing

9:57 Speaker 2: a doing a great job and making it something that

10:00 Speaker 2: digestible for people that are that are not like you,

10:03 Speaker 2: who have been involved, you know, like knee deep in

10:06 Speaker 2: this for quite some time.

10:07 Speaker 1: Right.

10:08 Speaker 2: I think it was a fairly digestible documentary.

10:12 Speaker 1: Yeah. And and and you know, the community, and I

10:17 Speaker 1: think we should probably talk a little bit. We talked

10:19 Speaker 1: on the phone about kind of keeping this in a positive,

10:24 Speaker 1: you know framework. But there's a huge problem in the

10:29 Speaker 1: community that it's always like it's always a fight, it's

10:34 Speaker 1: always a it's like this Star Wars. I come from

10:38 Speaker 1: like the Hollywood world and you know, superhero movies, and

10:42 Speaker 1: there's no bigger uh in fighting than in like the

10:46 Speaker 1: Star Wars community and in the Marvel and D community.

10:50 Speaker 2: Right.

10:50 Speaker 1: And then I came, yeah, yeah, exactly, And you know,

10:55 Speaker 1: I come, I come over to the UFO side of

10:57 Speaker 1: things because of how toxic Hollywood is, and I'm it's

11:03 Speaker 1: almost like I've seen this before and I'm looking at

11:07 Speaker 1: it going, guys, where you're doing exactly if there is

11:11 Speaker 1: a deep state, which I think we can all probably

11:13 Speaker 1: agree there is, in fact, I mean I undoubtedly there is. Right,

11:20 Speaker 1: the people that are controlling the Epstein's, the Ditties, the

11:23 Speaker 1: Harvey Weinstein's, if that doesn't define the cabal, and if

11:27 Speaker 1: those aren't the same people that are suppressing the technology

11:30 Speaker 1: that you know we so desperately want, those are the

11:33 Speaker 1: people that are blackmailing presidents, right, lords princes like that

11:41 Speaker 1: is who we should be focusing on, not fighting each other.

11:44 Speaker 1: That this is what they want, and and that goes

11:48 Speaker 1: for every day like every day, everyday life too. They'd

11:53 Speaker 1: rather hear us fighting about gender and and and race

11:58 Speaker 1: when nine point nine percent of the time I go

12:02 Speaker 1: into the city, there's no racism. People are holding the

12:07 Speaker 1: doors for each other. What we see on the news

12:10 Speaker 1: is is just it's yeah, it's pitting us against each other.

12:17 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a really good point. And unfortunately social media

12:22 Speaker 2: really exacerbates this because there's a lot of people that

12:25 Speaker 2: feel that it's they have this drive to get clicks

12:28 Speaker 2: and to get more people to follow them, and so

12:30 Speaker 2: they're willing to say outlay indish things and be rude

12:34 Speaker 2: and sometimes vulgar accrued on social media, and that it

12:38 Speaker 2: is just part of the game. I deal with it.

12:41 Speaker 2: I've been dealing with it ever since I got involved

12:44 Speaker 2: in politics. Unfortunately, it's just the way that human nature is.

12:49 Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess, but I guess just in a community

12:53 Speaker 1: where we really do all or at least I thought so,

12:58 Speaker 1: where we all have one goal in one commonality and

13:02 Speaker 1: that's total d disclosure, how we get there, I think

13:08 Speaker 1: is a concerted effort. But luel A Zondo is not

13:12 Speaker 1: going to be the one to run the ball across

13:14 Speaker 1: the goalpost. Neither is doctor Greer. It's going to be

13:19 Speaker 1: all of us. And I think that's what gets lost.

13:22 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that, like I will say, just

13:25 Speaker 2: you know, observationally, from my perspective, people are picking camps

13:31 Speaker 2: way early. I mean this is there's not enough facts

13:34 Speaker 2: in my opinion to pick one camp over the other.

13:37 Speaker 2: That's based on the time that I've been looking into this.

13:41 Speaker 2: I mean, choosing team griffindor versus Team Hard whatever you

13:45 Speaker 2: call it, huffle pop or whatever is. Unfortunately, that's what

13:49 Speaker 2: people are doing quite often in the space and what

13:52 Speaker 2: I would submit is that there are you prepared to

13:55 Speaker 2: be wrong? Right? And so I think that people, if

13:59 Speaker 2: you really truly are trying to find the truth, you

14:02 Speaker 2: need to be prepared to be wrong about at least

14:06 Speaker 2: some things, right, and so rather than but I think

14:10 Speaker 2: that unfortunately, what what these factions are doing is really

14:15 Speaker 2: digging people into a narrative that may or may not

14:18 Speaker 2: be true. And so, and I know and I think

14:21 Speaker 2: that they're they're you know, the attacks on anyone else

14:24 Speaker 2: who brings out contrary information is is not necessarily helpful

14:29 Speaker 2: for the for the discussion, for the cause.

14:32 Speaker 1: It's it's it's not it's what it is is day

14:37 Speaker 1: to day these there's people that like they live on

14:41 Speaker 1: h X or Twitter. I can't still I can't get

14:45 Speaker 1: used to that. But they live on the UFO Twitter, right,

14:50 Speaker 1: And that's it's it's it is what it is. I mean,

14:54 Speaker 1: you do you boo, But that's it's it's like the

14:58 Speaker 1: boredom of of of not something happening every day, Well,

15:03 Speaker 1: they got to fill the time with something else. So

15:05 Speaker 1: that's where they start poking and prodding. And that's my

15:08 Speaker 1: you know, observation as a as a as a as

15:10 Speaker 1: a someone who's inside the community.

15:14 Speaker 2: Oh, Tyler, I'm sure that someone's gonna take this podcast

15:18 Speaker 2: and they'll they'll be people will kind of storm, what's

15:22 Speaker 2: you know, find something that they can disagree about. Absolutely,

15:25 Speaker 2: it's just inevitable.

15:27 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like that. It's like bringing back to my

15:30 Speaker 1: uh going full circle Marvel here. It's like Thanos. It's

15:34 Speaker 1: just inevitable, right, it just all right, let's uh, let's

15:40 Speaker 1: really get into some stuff here. Man again, you know what,

15:44 Speaker 1: I'll say it, you're my favorite member of Congress. I'll

15:46 Speaker 1: say it for the record. Uh yeah, you're my definitely

15:50 Speaker 1: my favorite member of Congress.

15:52 Speaker 2: I'm not my own favorite member.

15:58 Speaker 1: Berchant. I love you, I really do. Paulina Luna, I

16:03 Speaker 1: love you too, But I don't know, I just have

16:07 Speaker 1: a good connection with you.

16:08 Speaker 2: Man.

16:10 Speaker 1: But Representative, you've been deeply involved in the UFO investigation

16:15 Speaker 1: on the Hill. Can you share your thoughts on how

16:19 Speaker 1: staffers uh can sometimes act as gate keepers speaking of it,

16:24 Speaker 1: potentially filtering or blocking critical information before it actually reaches

16:29 Speaker 1: said Member of Congress.

16:32 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that. Look, I've spoken about this once before,

16:36 Speaker 2: so but I've kind of under underscored this point. Is

16:40 Speaker 2: that a lot of staffers. They enter the hill and

16:44 Speaker 2: they start off with the entry level role of being

16:47 Speaker 2: maybe an intern somewhere, and then they move up into

16:50 Speaker 2: being a course some in some form of correspondence, and

16:54 Speaker 2: they they kind of work their way up to being,

16:57 Speaker 2: you know, like maybe a legislative director for for member,

17:01 Speaker 2: whether in the House from the Senate. But then they

17:02 Speaker 2: all really see the big kind of like golden, golden

17:07 Speaker 2: parachute or no, not gold is is eventually becoming a lobbyist.

17:12 Speaker 2: And there's no better path to doing that than going

17:15 Speaker 2: through this being a committee staffer. So once they get

17:18 Speaker 2: on a committee, they're they're on their staff in that committee,

17:22 Speaker 2: and then eventually they'll get picked up by some by

17:25 Speaker 2: some firm and get some clients and there, and then

17:27 Speaker 2: they're able to afford their second third home, all of

17:31 Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. Okay, that being said, the I

17:36 Speaker 2: know for a fact because I've I've had conversations with

17:39 Speaker 2: staffers who have said to me they would prefer that

17:43 Speaker 2: I go on X y Z committee because at the

17:46 Speaker 2: end of the day, it gives them more career opportunities

17:48 Speaker 2: after the fact. So that I've talked with, I've spoken

17:51 Speaker 2: with staffers who will jump to different members because it

17:55 Speaker 2: because of the committee that that member might be on

17:58 Speaker 2: and what kind of doors that it might open. And

18:01 Speaker 2: so if that get kind of paints a picture of

18:04 Speaker 2: where staff and what they're thinking is. Now, let's talk

18:07 Speaker 2: about the UAP topic. This topic does not benefit anyone

18:13 Speaker 2: in politics. It's it's there's no real win here. And

18:16 Speaker 2: so if you're a staffer, you really don't want to

18:19 Speaker 2: spend any time whatsoever on this topic. It's a distraction

18:23 Speaker 2: from getting you into because look, there's not a lobby

18:26 Speaker 2: firm that's hiring on this topic. So any kind of

18:30 Speaker 2: effort or time that's spent on this is is not

18:33 Speaker 2: necessarily in their motivation. If anybody that is motivated to,

18:38 Speaker 2: it's out of pure personal interest. And so I have

18:44 Speaker 2: I hire specifically staff that do have an interest in

18:47 Speaker 2: this because because at least for right now while while

18:51 Speaker 2: I'm investigating this as part of this oversight committee, you

18:55 Speaker 2: kind of you try to hire staff that are that

18:57 Speaker 2: are going to be helpful. But but I don't know

19:02 Speaker 2: that that's the case across the board. So that being said,

19:06 Speaker 2: the other aspect that that that we have to deal

19:09 Speaker 2: with is turf. So we often have you know, these

19:13 Speaker 2: committee staff who have got the purview of you know,

19:16 Speaker 2: whatever top so the committee staff for the Intelligence Committee,

19:20 Speaker 2: or the committee staff for the Armed Services Committee, whether

19:24 Speaker 2: in the House and the Senate. In some cases you've

19:27 Speaker 2: got some some turf that's being protected by the staff

19:32 Speaker 2: on appropriations. So all of that sometimes that will come

19:37 Speaker 2: to play, and if you've got a topic that that

19:40 Speaker 2: maybe they don't want you to be working on, that

19:43 Speaker 2: you'll see some opposition outside of this topic. For example,

19:48 Speaker 2: when it came to the when we were doing the

19:50 Speaker 2: one big Beautiful Bill, you definitely it was a lot

19:55 Speaker 2: more difficult to pass because each committee staff was not

19:59 Speaker 2: going to give up up their domain of a particular area.

20:03 Speaker 2: So as a result, you ended up having to parse

20:06 Speaker 2: up or cut up the bill into multiple in the

20:09 Speaker 2: multiple pieces and then assign those to the different committees

20:14 Speaker 2: of where they've got their purview. And that what that

20:17 Speaker 2: means is that every committee has to has to pass

20:21 Speaker 2: their section in order to make the entire bill work.

20:24 Speaker 2: That if that gives you an idea how difficult sometimes

20:27 Speaker 2: it is to get anything accomplished in Washington, DC. A

20:31 Speaker 2: lot of it has to do with egos, a lot

20:34 Speaker 2: of it has to do with turf and and that's

20:37 Speaker 2: why it's so difficult sometimes to get anything done. And

20:40 Speaker 2: I've experienced that firsthand with trying to get the UAP

20:44 Speaker 2: Disclosure Act put on to the National Defense Authorization Act,

20:49 Speaker 2: or or get even getting the bill you know, heard

20:53 Speaker 2: independently and getting it to the floor has has all

20:56 Speaker 2: become difficult because there's because there's multiple committee that have jurisdiction.

21:02 Speaker 1: Mm hmm, yeah, in your experience, how can we how

21:08 Speaker 1: can we ensure is it? Is it what you do?

21:10 Speaker 1: Is it by just hiring people that are interested in

21:12 Speaker 1: How can we ensure that whistle that you know, the

21:15 Speaker 1: whistleblowers and the key intel make it directly to decision

21:18 Speaker 1: makers like yourself, like Luna, like Merchant without interference? Is

21:24 Speaker 1: it by hiring interested folks and dedicated folks.

21:29 Speaker 2: I think it's got to be under the direction of

21:31 Speaker 2: the member. So the elected official really is the only

21:35 Speaker 2: person that's going to put pressure on the staff to

21:38 Speaker 2: move something one way or another. So I think I

21:42 Speaker 2: would say the public should pay attention to who where

21:46 Speaker 2: the gatekeeper keepers might be and be willing to pick

21:49 Speaker 2: up the phone and call those offices and make it

21:51 Speaker 2: clear that that this is important for for you, because

21:55 Speaker 2: it's not. It's this is a topic that's not important

21:58 Speaker 2: to I mean, sadly, it's important to politicians or their staff.

22:03 Speaker 2: So the only way that it's going to become important

22:05 Speaker 2: is if people call and and and write their congressman

22:08 Speaker 2: or their senator to make it important.

22:11 Speaker 1: Absolutely kind of shifting gears here, you know, because that

22:17 Speaker 1: makes total sense. It's it's got to be on the

22:20 Speaker 1: member and and hey, if any member out there needs

22:23 Speaker 1: help or you know, an advisor, I'm willing. I'm willing

22:27 Speaker 1: to do it. Uh, you know, I got some media

22:30 Speaker 1: training and uh a journalistic background. Just you know, let's go.

22:36 Speaker 2: I think you want to live in d C.

22:38 Speaker 1: No, I don't know. I don't, but it would be

22:40 Speaker 1: close to the action. And there's something that is a

22:43 Speaker 1: little nice about that if anywhere, But I don't know.

22:48 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. I've been wanting to

22:53 Speaker 1: someone just sent in a chat about it, and I

22:57 Speaker 1: was going to ask you guys this anyway, So he

23:01 Speaker 1: just interstell Uap said, do Congress in the intelligence community

23:06 Speaker 1: take Chris Bledsoe's the lady prophecies? Seriously? In what role

23:11 Speaker 1: do you think this could play in UFO disclosure. I

23:13 Speaker 1: want to just hold that right there because I did

23:17 Speaker 1: have a question that I wrote about that, and so

23:23 Speaker 1: I don't know if you know, but respected individuals like

23:27 Speaker 1: Chris Bledsoe in his book Ufo of God predicted that

23:31 Speaker 1: when the star of Regulus aligns with the gaze of

23:34 Speaker 1: the Sphinx, humanity will enter a new stage of consciousness.

23:39 Speaker 1: Others in the community discuss potential world challenge world changing

23:45 Speaker 1: events tied to non human intelligences. Have you heard this

23:49 Speaker 1: and what is your take on these types of dated predictions,

23:54 Speaker 1: and you know, do they align with anything that you've

23:57 Speaker 1: heard in congress? A lot of people talk about twenty

23:59 Speaker 1: twenty ses Evan, this is specifically Easter twenty twenty six,

24:05 Speaker 1: and when they did the after he was told by

24:09 Speaker 1: this entity the lady that that date was going like that.

24:13 Speaker 1: When the she never gave a date, she said, when

24:16 Speaker 1: the star of Regulus is in the gaze of the Sphinx.

24:19 Speaker 1: So astronomically they did that. They did it out and

24:23 Speaker 1: it just the the star of Regulus is a red

24:26 Speaker 1: star and it's bright red. So she said, the red

24:30 Speaker 1: star of Regulus when it aligns with the gaze of

24:33 Speaker 1: the Sphinx, humanity will enter a new phase of consciousness.

24:36 Speaker 1: So that is on that happens to be Easter twenty

24:40 Speaker 1: twenty six, which is Easter is like the It's really

24:45 Speaker 1: critical to his story. He has a very religious framework

24:48 Speaker 1: on this, and he's been visited by NASA, the CIA,

24:52 Speaker 1: Jim semi Van and the CIA, NASA, Travis Taylor. You know,

24:58 Speaker 1: people that have very very interesting backgrounds have been paying

25:03 Speaker 1: attention to this guy. Have you talked to him?

25:07 Speaker 2: I've met Chris Bledsoe. I've not. I've not heard this

25:12 Speaker 2: prediction from him directly. I haven't. This is the first

25:15 Speaker 2: t Ii'm hearing about it. I probably need to take

25:18 Speaker 2: some time and pick up his book. But I've got

25:22 Speaker 2: a lot of things I'm working on. Surprising this this

25:28 Speaker 2: occupies maybe two percent of my workload. I hate to

25:32 Speaker 2: say that, but like we've got health care issues in America,

25:36 Speaker 2: We've got all kinds of other things that are in Minnesota. Yeah,

25:40 Speaker 2: in Minnesota. So that we Oversight Committee will spend an

25:44 Speaker 2: enormous amount of time investigating this latest round of fraud efforts.

25:50 Speaker 2: I'm on the Doge Committee. We spent a lot of

25:52 Speaker 2: time on that but but yeah, Chris, he's a he's

25:56 Speaker 2: a really really kind and gentle person, really great to

26:02 Speaker 2: be around, and I and I I enjoy him. He's

26:05 Speaker 2: a he's a nice person. He's so I've been. I

26:10 Speaker 2: went to dinner with him after I'm trying to remember

26:13 Speaker 2: if it was after the hearings or before one of

26:15 Speaker 2: the hearings. Went to dinner with him and some other

26:18 Speaker 2: people that are kind of in a way that they're

26:20 Speaker 2: kind of grit Chris Bledsoe groupies and and I'm saying

26:24 Speaker 2: that in the most like, you know, they're they're good

26:27 Speaker 2: people too, but but they kind of that. But they're

26:29 Speaker 2: all friends together. So I didn't really know them very well,

26:33 Speaker 2: but they wanted to have a conversation. So I just

26:36 Speaker 2: happened to have the evening open and we went to dinner.

26:38 Speaker 2: And I didn't know who Chris was. I learned about

26:42 Speaker 2: about his you know, his story and what he what

26:46 Speaker 2: he claimed to me that he was able to actually

26:49 Speaker 2: communicate with and that he had like the ability to

26:53 Speaker 2: to communicate and call in U a p S. And

26:57 Speaker 2: so I asked him, so, where where does this happen

27:01 Speaker 2: in the desert over the water, you know, where can

27:05 Speaker 2: this happen over a city and he said anywhere, And

27:08 Speaker 2: I said anywhere, anytime of the day, at night when

27:12 Speaker 2: And he said, you know, pretty much anytime. It's easier

27:14 Speaker 2: to see it at night. And I said, what about

27:15 Speaker 2: right now? What about right here? Right now? And I

27:19 Speaker 2: and I said that because I have been, you know,

27:22 Speaker 2: this last year and a half or more of being

27:24 Speaker 2: involved in this topic, it gets pretty frustrating to hear

27:28 Speaker 2: lots of stories, to hear people's first hand accounts, and

27:32 Speaker 2: yet not have any kind no receipts, no proof, nothing.

27:37 Speaker 2: And so I asked him if he would be willing

27:39 Speaker 2: to demonstrate that we we went on the Capitol Mall

27:45 Speaker 2: after a few hours. I gave him a few hours

27:48 Speaker 2: and nothing happened. But you know, but then I was

27:52 Speaker 2: told that a few weeks later they went to the

27:54 Speaker 2: exact same location and I think they recorded it was

27:57 Speaker 2: on Ross caulth Arts Show. They actually released some some

28:03 Speaker 2: videos that they had taken from their cell phones of

28:05 Speaker 2: some objects that they reportedly according to them, that they

28:08 Speaker 2: called in with Chris. But I was not there, so

28:13 Speaker 2: I can't confirm that that was the case. All I

28:16 Speaker 2: can tell you is that I gave him a chance

28:18 Speaker 2: went out with him and nothing happened. And so that's

28:23 Speaker 2: all I know, if.

28:31 Speaker 1: I'm being fair. I I was at Contact in the

28:34 Speaker 1: desert and Bledsoe was there. I actually introduced him at

28:39 Speaker 1: Contact and Desert to the stage. I had the pleasure

28:44 Speaker 1: of introducing him. And he's someone that his story does

28:48 Speaker 1: resonate with me a little bit. But he so that

28:55 Speaker 1: that aside, right, you know, because he was he was

28:59 Speaker 1: at contacted as they did a SkyWatch and it's in

29:02 Speaker 1: Palm Springs. There's a lot of things moving in the

29:05 Speaker 1: in the sky, whether it's satellites. Again, I think it's

29:11 Speaker 1: a little bit. It's a when they do it like that.

29:16 Speaker 1: What Chris says is if there's anyone that's a non

29:20 Speaker 1: believer in the group, it will affect the Yeah, so

29:26 Speaker 1: you know, again.

29:27 Speaker 2: I'm the non believers. That would be me. Then I

29:30 Speaker 2: was the non believer. But I'm willing to I was

29:32 Speaker 2: willing to see and and to and and was willing.

29:36 Speaker 2: But but if that's the case, then I guess I might.

29:39 Speaker 2: I guess I gave some bad juju for that moment.

29:42 Speaker 1: Did you tak you tainted the ex.

29:46 Speaker 2: Maybe it was me?

29:48 Speaker 1: No, No, Eric it's not you. It's not you because

29:51 Speaker 1: that contact in the desert. Uh. And then they do

29:54 Speaker 1: them on the beach a lot. But there are people,

29:57 Speaker 1: so I listen, maybe take this at take this for

30:02 Speaker 1: what it is. Maybe go I would say, maybe I

30:08 Speaker 1: can work it. Maybe I can work this out. Actually,

30:11 Speaker 1: maybe you and I could go to Chris's home. He's

30:16 Speaker 1: invited me to his home. People from Nasev gone there,

30:20 Speaker 1: like like I said, the CIA have gone there. And

30:23 Speaker 1: they even the show the Skinwalker Rant show, the spinoff

30:29 Speaker 1: one that's a little bit more scientific in my opinion.

30:31 Speaker 1: The guy Bustamante and the other guy, they they they

30:36 Speaker 1: did this thing where they put like EEG on them

30:39 Speaker 1: and he was went into meditation and you know, he

30:42 Speaker 1: went into a meditative state that is only achieved by

30:45 Speaker 1: like monks and like really practiced meditators, and he did

30:49 Speaker 1: it like that at least maybe that's how the editing

30:51 Speaker 1: showed it. But he did it really quickly. And then

30:54 Speaker 1: when his brain went into the alpha like or whatever

30:58 Speaker 1: it's called that the theta, I think it's the beta,

31:01 Speaker 1: he orb started coming through the trees and they did

31:05 Speaker 1: catch us on film. So these big spectacle part parties

31:09 Speaker 1: that they do where they charge people to go out. Again,

31:12 Speaker 1: that's where it gets a little tricky for me. Greer's

31:15 Speaker 1: done that kind of stuff. It seems more about something else.

31:22 Speaker 1: I'm not saying that about Chris. I'm not saying that

31:24 Speaker 1: about anyone, but I will say that that seems more gimmicky.

31:27 Speaker 1: But the stuff that's like really really interesting, I think

31:31 Speaker 1: is a very more localized thing. And he's also said

31:36 Speaker 1: things like one of the more what I find to

31:40 Speaker 1: be a little bit even more interesting is the fact

31:44 Speaker 1: that he also mentioned that a divine revelation would happen

31:47 Speaker 1: where non human intelligence might intervene during conflicts like those

31:53 Speaker 1: between Israel and Iran. He literally said, when Israel and

31:57 Speaker 1: Iran start trading missiles, that this non human intelligence, angelic,

32:06 Speaker 1: not alien, whatever you want to call it, was going

32:08 Speaker 1: to intervene and then make themselves known. And that's going

32:11 Speaker 1: to happen what I think you said in the next

32:14 Speaker 1: year two as well, and that it's heating up right now.

32:18 Speaker 1: Although that's like that, I don't know, I don't know,

32:20 Speaker 1: what do you what do you think of these things?

32:23 Speaker 2: I don't really pay much attention to prophecy. I mean,

32:30 Speaker 2: if it comes true, that's really fascinating. But I don't

32:33 Speaker 2: really and maybe this just comes from the being a

32:37 Speaker 2: Christian and having so many people get it wrong about

32:40 Speaker 2: you know, the date and the time that when when

32:43 Speaker 2: Christ is going to return. Usually that date comes and

32:46 Speaker 2: goes and nothing, nothing happened. So I don't. I just

32:49 Speaker 2: don't really give a lot of lot of credence to it.

32:52 Speaker 1: But fair enough.

32:54 Speaker 2: But you know, if it's if he, if he, if

32:56 Speaker 2: he hits the nail on the head and gets it,

32:58 Speaker 2: you know, right, then good for in.

33:01 Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess that. I guess it's something I just

33:04 Speaker 1: think for for my my own perspective. I I always

33:08 Speaker 1: tell people like if you have a date, if someone

33:11 Speaker 1: if some because you know, Chris looks at it like

33:14 Speaker 1: he's a very religious framework, like that Christian framework. If

33:18 Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken, it's the you know the lady, the

33:23 Speaker 1: lady in white, right, She's not she's not a non

33:28 Speaker 1: human intelligence, So to say is what he thinks is

33:31 Speaker 1: she's like uh shath or or like that. I don't know.

33:35 Speaker 1: It's it's kind of crazy when you actually get into it.

33:37 Speaker 1: But I I just say dates, you're better off not

33:41 Speaker 1: saying it because then you know, God forbid, you are

33:44 Speaker 1: a good faith person and you you want to contribute

33:48 Speaker 1: to the community, and then you put a date out

33:50 Speaker 1: there and something doesn't happen, then you lose all your credibility,

33:55 Speaker 1: like all of it with with one day. So move

34:00 Speaker 1: on from the Bloodstoe stuff. So, whistle blower David Grush

34:05 Speaker 1: and I know we have a couple of things in

34:06 Speaker 1: the chat to get to as well. The Lakatski thing

34:09 Speaker 1: is something I really want to look at. But whistle

34:12 Speaker 1: blower David Grush has been working with your offense in

34:16 Speaker 1: twenty twenty five. Can you give us an update on

34:18 Speaker 1: that collaboration. Have there been, you know, secure compartmented information

34:25 Speaker 1: facility briefings? Do you have details on those names, dates,

34:29 Speaker 1: lists of hostile versus non hostile witnesses yet?

34:33 Speaker 2: Yeah? I do. I mean it's been quite a year.

34:36 Speaker 2: David has been extremely helpful, particularly in kind of navigating

34:42 Speaker 2: the intelligence community. He helped us directly write the interrogative

34:48 Speaker 2: letters that that we ultimately ended up sending just before

34:52 Speaker 2: the before we had the hearing this last year, and

34:58 Speaker 2: and then and he's helping us write some more different

35:00 Speaker 2: other agencies and private companies. So he's been helpful in

35:04 Speaker 2: that regard, also helpful in kind of evaluating witnesses and

35:10 Speaker 2: providing insight because he's interviewed most of these people in

35:14 Speaker 2: his official capacity when he was employed with the federal government,

35:17 Speaker 2: so he was able to give that kind of insight

35:20 Speaker 2: also about you know, some of the players even that

35:23 Speaker 2: have not been whistleblowers yet he's bringing he has brought

35:28 Speaker 2: to us that he is that he's working on a

35:31 Speaker 2: potential new witness that seems has seems to have a

35:37 Speaker 2: tremendous amount of potential, and so I'm excited about that,

35:42 Speaker 2: but it could fall through at any point, So I

35:44 Speaker 2: don't want to get people's hopes too high. But we

35:48 Speaker 2: do have we do have more witnesses and potential whistleblowers

35:52 Speaker 2: to come forward. He's he's introduced me to some people

35:55 Speaker 2: that and set up some meetings and conversations with people

35:59 Speaker 2: that have we're not willing to go public, and those

36:03 Speaker 2: have been pretty interesting conversations. Again, I'll say, nothing that

36:08 Speaker 2: has produced receipts, but but at least it's kind of

36:12 Speaker 2: helping kind of flesh out what we're some some different

36:16 Speaker 2: perspectives as well. So David also was helping our staff

36:22 Speaker 2: with the UAP Disclosure Act language. I also have Danny

36:26 Speaker 2: Sheehan that's working on that. So Danny is kind of

36:29 Speaker 2: working to evaluate. You know, since we didn't get it

36:33 Speaker 2: put into the bill, we've got some time to kind

36:35 Speaker 2: of re evaluate that language that was originally written by

36:40 Speaker 2: by Grush and cooperation with some others, and and I

36:44 Speaker 2: think that language was was what Chuck Schumer ultimately kind

36:48 Speaker 2: of settled on. But there's there's there we might be

36:51 Speaker 2: able to tweak that language to be a little bit

36:53 Speaker 2: more grounded in a way in which we're not allowing

36:57 Speaker 2: gatekeepers to to stop information because I think that one

37:02 Speaker 2: of the criticisms of the of the Disclosure Act language

37:05 Speaker 2: is that if a president really wants to stop something

37:09 Speaker 2: from happening, that they could appoint a board of people

37:12 Speaker 2: that are committed to not releasing any information. Now you've

37:17 Speaker 2: got Senate confirmations, and I think that the Senate would

37:20 Speaker 2: would kind of have some say in that. But at

37:22 Speaker 2: the end of the day, we want to have as

37:24 Speaker 2: much authority in the hands of Congress as possible because

37:29 Speaker 2: we've we know the executive branch has a history of

37:32 Speaker 2: not being fully transparent, so so Gresh has been really

37:36 Speaker 2: helpful in a lot of ways to our staff, and

37:41 Speaker 2: I'm glad that we had him on. He's still he

37:44 Speaker 2: still sometimes speaks a language that I don't understand. And

37:47 Speaker 2: what I mean is that there's so many acronyms and

37:51 Speaker 2: and different departments and agencies and even like forms and

37:55 Speaker 2: software that that is part of the vernacular of people

37:58 Speaker 2: in the intelligence community. But but but I'm getting just

38:02 Speaker 2: now getting used to.

38:05 Speaker 1: Interesting. Interesting and Okay, So Rep. Luna spoke about a

38:12 Speaker 1: couple of not even maybe two days ago. Rep. Luna

38:15 Speaker 1: spoke about some sort of threat or event that took

38:18 Speaker 1: place before a skiff meeting. If you don't mind, could

38:24 Speaker 1: you follow up on that. I'm very interested obviously.

38:30 Speaker 2: Right, so you never know what was going on, But

38:34 Speaker 2: we had a remote briefing where Grush was was at

38:40 Speaker 2: a different location in a skiff. And there's there's a

38:43 Speaker 2: technology that allows us to do basically what we're doing

38:46 Speaker 2: right now, like a type of zoom type.

38:49 Speaker 1: Skiff the skiff communication.

38:51 Speaker 2: That's right, Yeah, And it's and it's very I don't

38:54 Speaker 2: know what, I don't know, but it's highly encrypted, highly secure,

39:00 Speaker 2: and and I'm sure that the Federal Gunment has enough

39:02 Speaker 2: confidence that that it is secure. So and you have

39:06 Speaker 2: to use very particular devices. You've got to be in

39:09 Speaker 2: a in a location that is really secure as well.

39:12 Speaker 2: And and so because for convenience, Grush went to this

39:16 Speaker 2: one location and on his way there he he had

39:22 Speaker 2: I think it was a road rage incident, but someone

39:25 Speaker 2: basically flashed a gun at him when driving on his

39:29 Speaker 2: way to to the to the skiff. But you know,

39:36 Speaker 2: it could be anything I once had. And a lot

39:39 Speaker 2: of times you kind of see things, you see shadows

39:44 Speaker 2: where they aren't really shadows, so it could have been

39:48 Speaker 2: I kind of chalk it up to that it was

39:49 Speaker 2: just a road rage incident, because yeah, what you're.

39:53 Speaker 1: Saying is it could be it had nothing to do

39:57 Speaker 1: with Grush himself, like being a U faux whistleblower. But

40:01 Speaker 1: it was more like road rage, regular road rage and

40:04 Speaker 1: someone who's just because I've had that, I haven't had

40:06 Speaker 1: a gun pulled on me like that or flash to

40:09 Speaker 1: me like that. But I've had people follow me, you know,

40:13 Speaker 1: and I don't go on I don't go on the air,

40:14 Speaker 1: and and I'm like, oh, yeah, I got followed by

40:17 Speaker 1: uh the f No, you know, I accidentally cut or

40:20 Speaker 1: what he thought cut off. So you're saying there's no

40:23 Speaker 1: definitive evidence to suggest that that was related, But that

40:28 Speaker 1: could also be exactly what they want, right, Yeah.

40:33 Speaker 2: That could be I'll give you like. And this has

40:35 Speaker 2: happened to me before. So years ago, when I was

40:37 Speaker 2: a Missouri state representative, I sponsored a bill that's called

40:42 Speaker 2: right to Work. And right now, anyone who's one of

40:45 Speaker 2: your viewers or listeners is now imediately not gonna like me.

40:49 Speaker 2: And that's but who is union? So this is a

40:52 Speaker 2: bill that the state's sponsor that is part of the

40:56 Speaker 2: Taft Hartley Act. It lets it lets individual members choose

41:00 Speaker 2: whether they wish to join a union or not join

41:02 Speaker 2: a union. It's up to them, and at the end

41:05 Speaker 2: of the day, I'll move on. But it is a

41:08 Speaker 2: very controversial bill, and it got me a lot of

41:11 Speaker 2: death threats, and I mean a lot of death threats.

41:13 Speaker 2: And I to the point where they would call my wife,

41:16 Speaker 2: they would find out who my wife was, they would

41:18 Speaker 2: call her and tell her that your husband isn't going

41:20 Speaker 2: to live through Christmas, things like that. And in the

41:23 Speaker 2: middle of that time period, I was driving down I

41:27 Speaker 2: forty four headed home at night from Jefferson City, and

41:32 Speaker 2: I had a pickup truck go flying past me, you know,

41:35 Speaker 2: probably more than ninety miles an hour. Then they hit

41:39 Speaker 2: their brakes, came back up to me and did a

41:42 Speaker 2: pit maneuver on me and spun me into oncoming traffic

41:46 Speaker 2: going seventy miles an hour on I forty four. The Yeah,

41:50 Speaker 2: the truck had Union bumper stickers on it, and it

41:54 Speaker 2: and so as a result, as you can imagine, it

41:56 Speaker 2: makes you think, oh my god, they really did try

42:00 Speaker 2: to kill me, or someone from from the Unions really

42:04 Speaker 2: tried to kill me. But it turns out it was

42:06 Speaker 2: just an individual who had who was high, who had

42:10 Speaker 2: taken some some either meth or fit and al and

42:14 Speaker 2: and they not only hit me, but they hit about

42:16 Speaker 2: four other vehicles as they were like ping ponging down

42:20 Speaker 2: the highway.

42:20 Speaker 1: Sounds more like meth to me, right to sleep, Yeah.

42:27 Speaker 2: But the end that's like to me, that's when you're

42:30 Speaker 2: in the heat of things and you've got and you've

42:32 Speaker 2: got all these threats happening, and you know, there's a

42:34 Speaker 2: lot of intensity and there's a lot of scrutiny around things.

42:37 Speaker 2: It can cause you to kind of jump to conclusions

42:40 Speaker 2: that may not be necessarily true.

42:42 Speaker 1: It become paranoid, yeah, you know the straight I mean,

42:47 Speaker 1: getting a death threat. It's something very spooky, and not

42:50 Speaker 1: a lot of people have had an app I would

42:52 Speaker 1: say a small number of people relative to the population

42:58 Speaker 1: size have gotten a death threat. And even if you

43:03 Speaker 1: know it's something like on the internet, it's kind of

43:06 Speaker 1: like a rite of passage if you get a death threat,

43:10 Speaker 1: Like if you're a public person and you get a

43:12 Speaker 1: death threat, it's like a rite of passage, ironically, and

43:16 Speaker 1: it's most likely meaningless, but something does change in and

43:23 Speaker 1: I can imagine being someone like you or David Grush,

43:26 Speaker 1: or someone who's living with this kind of burden. MM

43:33 Speaker 1: could because then everything I mean, if you if you're

43:37 Speaker 1: not able to balance that paranoia out, I mean you

43:42 Speaker 1: could you could go down. You could spiral pretty easily

43:46 Speaker 1: if you if you weren't sound of mind, of course,

43:49 Speaker 1: like you guys are so that that that's terrifying. But

43:53 Speaker 1: I'm glad to glad to hear that that that you know,

43:59 Speaker 1: nothing actually happened. I'm glad to hear that. So is

44:02 Speaker 1: Grush going to be staying on in twenty twenty six?

44:06 Speaker 2: I don't know how how long in twenty twenty six,

44:08 Speaker 2: but we've got some more activity here in the next

44:11 Speaker 2: few months. And so as long as Gresh is willing

44:15 Speaker 2: to stay on and provide value, we'll be keeping him

44:18 Speaker 2: on on my at least on my staff.

44:20 Speaker 1: You guys on on weaponized, You guys. And when I

44:25 Speaker 1: say you guys, I mean you know what I call

44:28 Speaker 1: the trio, you burrel Lesson, not you, well, you bur Lesson.

44:35 Speaker 1: And then Rep. Luna and Rep Burchet, you guys went

44:38 Speaker 1: on weaponized. And I have two things. But the first

44:44 Speaker 1: thing was you guys talked about how there's no current

44:48 Speaker 1: plans to have any future hearings right now because you

44:51 Speaker 1: just don't think that it would actually move the needle?

44:55 Speaker 1: Is can you elaborate on that?

44:57 Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say that we've the wit or the

45:00 Speaker 2: potential people that we would bring forward at this point,

45:03 Speaker 2: I don't know that they would move the needle. And

45:06 Speaker 2: so that's why I think we're kind of there's a

45:10 Speaker 2: lot of conversations that we can have behind the scenes

45:13 Speaker 2: that we to just kind of continue to fact find

45:15 Speaker 2: and gather information. But I don't know that we should

45:19 Speaker 2: go about the effort of of of doing like a

45:24 Speaker 2: massive public hearing. Again, when that, I don't know that

45:27 Speaker 2: we would we would accomplish moving as we said before,

45:31 Speaker 2: moving the needle the what I do. So, but we're

45:36 Speaker 2: going to be looking for different witnesses. We're also looking

45:39 Speaker 2: to get access to some files and some documents that

45:43 Speaker 2: have been very helpful from one of the whistlers that

45:46 Speaker 2: has not been in a public hearing, which is Matt

45:48 Speaker 2: Matt Brown. Hey, yeah, Matt Brown, great guy.

45:52 Speaker 1: Maculate constellation for anyone who Yeah, for anyone who doesn't know,

45:58 Speaker 1: do you mind explaining who Matt Brown is?

46:00 Speaker 2: Yeah? So he was. He was someone who was working

46:04 Speaker 2: in the intelligence community, had access to some files and

46:08 Speaker 2: was able to see some things that that see a

46:12 Speaker 2: document called Immaculate Constellation. We had a reporter, Michael Schellenberger,

46:19 Speaker 2: come forward in the in the hearing that that Nancy

46:23 Speaker 2: Mace chaired, and that was and he was essentially providing

46:30 Speaker 2: information that that he had gleaned from his conversations with

46:33 Speaker 2: Matthew Brown. And now but now Matthews has come forward publicly,

46:38 Speaker 2: He's shown his face and I think he did it

46:42 Speaker 2: on Weaponized and so and so now we can we

46:46 Speaker 2: can we can talk about it. But he he's been

46:49 Speaker 2: extremely helpful in in providing some detailed information that we

46:54 Speaker 2: that we otherwise would not be able to track down.

46:57 Speaker 2: So I appreciate I appreciate his effort, and really everybody

47:01 Speaker 2: who's been brave enough to come forward.

47:04 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know that brings me to this this question,

47:11 Speaker 1: so you have this is from Christians for Ironically, Christians

47:17 Speaker 1: for UAP Transparency. Eric has said that they don't want

47:21 Speaker 1: Lakatski to testify because it wouldn't be anything new. Grush

47:27 Speaker 1: didn't say anything new either. Wouldn't you want his testimony

47:31 Speaker 1: to be on the record and blow up the headlines? Now,

47:35 Speaker 1: I will also caveat that by saying that Lakatski has

47:43 Speaker 1: set on record that he will essentially lie under oath.

47:50 Speaker 1: I'm maybe I'm taking maybe I'm misquoting that. I hope

47:54 Speaker 1: I'm not, But I'm almost certain that he said that

47:58 Speaker 1: he would he would keep the like he would have

48:03 Speaker 1: to lie under oath, he wouldn't be able to tell

48:05 Speaker 1: the full story, or he would just you know, do

48:09 Speaker 1: the whole You know, we have to talk about that

48:11 Speaker 1: in a skiff thing. So what do you wouldn't the cats?

48:14 Speaker 1: He wouldn't he be somebody you wanted to bring in.

48:17 Speaker 2: I'm totally open to talking to him or anybody really

48:21 Speaker 2: if there if there's something that we can glean from

48:23 Speaker 2: that conversation, and if he's willing to come forward and

48:26 Speaker 2: we can provide some new information in a public setting,

48:29 Speaker 2: that's fantastic. I think the reason that we haven't really

48:34 Speaker 2: spent a lot of time and focus in his direction

48:37 Speaker 2: is that he has publicly said that he won't tell

48:40 Speaker 2: us anything that isn't already in his books.

48:43 Speaker 1: Oh that's right, yes, And.

48:46 Speaker 2: So I don't know, I mean, that's kind of a

48:48 Speaker 2: frustration we had. We in fact, we did kind of

48:52 Speaker 2: reach out to him through I kind of we did

48:54 Speaker 2: reach out to him through Jeremy Corbel to see if

48:58 Speaker 2: he was willing to come forward. And I'm not sure

49:01 Speaker 2: where that where that where the kind of fallout happened,

49:04 Speaker 2: but at the end of the day, it didn't matriculate

49:09 Speaker 2: to an actual, you know, interview and the and so look,

49:14 Speaker 2: I I'm open to talking to him and if he's

49:16 Speaker 2: got more information to share, maybe maybe if he feels

49:20 Speaker 2: more comfortable doing it in a secure setting, because a

49:22 Speaker 2: lot of a lot now a lot of them are

49:26 Speaker 2: are looking for that before they can, or at least

49:29 Speaker 2: you hear this a lot in the testimony. They'll give

49:32 Speaker 2: it a public setting. They'll say I cannot say that

49:35 Speaker 2: outside of a secure setting, and people.

49:37 Speaker 1: Are kind of people don't want to hear that in

49:39 Speaker 1: a hearing.

49:39 Speaker 2: Again, No, I'm sick of it myself. And because then

49:46 Speaker 2: it's hard to actually get him in a secure setting,

49:48 Speaker 2: because you got to then I got to go through

49:50 Speaker 2: the all the hoops of getting the different committees of

49:54 Speaker 2: purview to that. So if if that person signed an

49:57 Speaker 2: nda A with with the Pentagon on, then you got

50:01 Speaker 2: to get House Arm Services and maybe the Intel Committee

50:04 Speaker 2: to like sign off on letting that person provide a

50:07 Speaker 2: briefing to us on the topic. So it becomes a

50:11 Speaker 2: big hassle sometimes to get people into a secure setting.

50:15 Speaker 1: That was right, That was right. Christian tom Thompson said

50:19 Speaker 1: that it was Admiral Wilson that said he would lie

50:22 Speaker 1: under oath and that was from the Eric that the

50:25 Speaker 1: Wilson Davis memo, which you are familiar with, right, Yeah,

50:29 Speaker 1: when when you guys had so actually another thing you

50:34 Speaker 1: guys have had doctor Eric Davis in some sort of

50:38 Speaker 1: not a congressional hearing, but some sort of congressional I

50:42 Speaker 1: don't know what you would have called that, but it.

50:46 Speaker 2: Was a form or something.

50:48 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And he was talking about different types

50:52 Speaker 1: of alien civilizations. Why did no one Why did no

50:56 Speaker 1: one ask him about the notes.

51:00 Speaker 2: About the notes about the.

51:01 Speaker 1: Memo that he's most famous for. Oh, Admiral Wilson like Davis,

51:07 Speaker 1: like I just I was like, why did anyone take

51:10 Speaker 1: that chance?

51:10 Speaker 2: Maybe maybe we didn't have that conversation there, but we

51:13 Speaker 2: have had that conversation with him in a a in

51:17 Speaker 2: a separate meeting in a secure location, because we have

51:20 Speaker 2: had a meeting with with Eric Davis and a skiff.

51:24 Speaker 1: Interesting. Well, he said that if he was able to

51:29 Speaker 1: get a presidential pardon, not a presidential pardon, but like

51:34 Speaker 1: a whatever it is when they commute you of your NDAs,

51:37 Speaker 1: like presidential whatever, like a blanket parton to get him

51:44 Speaker 1: out of those NDAs, that he would tell you, guys,

51:47 Speaker 1: everything is that something Obviously the right the the Republicans

51:55 Speaker 1: need to kind of win the midterm that's for such

52:01 Speaker 1: things to be possible. But could you see a situation

52:05 Speaker 1: where Trump actually does like if he wants to leave

52:08 Speaker 1: a legacy, it seems kind of a no brainer that

52:11 Speaker 1: this is the topic to do it with.

52:14 Speaker 2: I mean, it's to you, it is. I don't know

52:17 Speaker 2: that to Trump this is a you know, a topic

52:20 Speaker 2: that is top of mind for him. I think it

52:23 Speaker 2: has to become top of mind before he takes action.

52:27 Speaker 2: And I think that I'm not I don't speak for

52:32 Speaker 2: the president. I'm just I'm just kind of relaying what

52:35 Speaker 2: I'm getting a sense of from people that are that

52:38 Speaker 2: are immediately around him that it's not exactly a top

52:43 Speaker 2: priority and and there's a sense that this may distract

52:47 Speaker 2: from other objectives that he has, whether it's domestic policy

52:50 Speaker 2: or foreign policy. And so I think that if if

52:55 Speaker 2: given the opportunity, and if he knew that it was,

52:58 Speaker 2: would that the public was extremely interested in it. I

53:03 Speaker 2: think that Trump has no problem with the disclosing or

53:09 Speaker 2: what I've requested specifically is that he do an executive

53:11 Speaker 2: order that's similar to the one that he did with

53:14 Speaker 2: the JFK files, because we've we've actually gotten some pretty

53:17 Speaker 2: good new information on that topic, because because Trump did

53:22 Speaker 2: an executive order demanding those files be released. So I

53:26 Speaker 2: would like for the and I've I've requested that from

53:29 Speaker 2: the White House staff.

53:30 Speaker 1: But we'll see interesting. So the huh, okay, that's and

53:39 Speaker 1: then that's that's that's fair. That's fair. So we just

53:43 Speaker 1: have to you know, I think I think because on

53:46 Speaker 1: the campaign trail, whenever asked about it. On like the

53:50 Speaker 1: the podcasting side, I think this is the first election

53:53 Speaker 1: that featured podcasting as like a real means to speak

53:57 Speaker 1: to the masses, because the legacy media is just not

54:00 Speaker 1: the way it used to be, maybe never was. I

54:03 Speaker 1: I'm not sure I'm.

54:06 Speaker 2: Going to take like a Joe Rogan or Sean Ryan

54:10 Speaker 2: or someone that has that, you know, when Trump was

54:13 Speaker 2: campaigning and and they I believe that Rogan brought it up.

54:17 Speaker 1: He did.

54:18 Speaker 2: I think it's going to take that kind of level

54:20 Speaker 2: of inquiry to get Trump to respond. And I hope

54:25 Speaker 2: that Rogan.

54:26 Speaker 1: Can you guys just show him Age of Disclosure. Just

54:30 Speaker 1: get him in a private theater.

54:32 Speaker 2: Wh he has time to sit still for that long?

54:36 Speaker 1: Yeah you got. Yeah, we got to do like a

54:40 Speaker 1: congressional watch party of Age of Disclosure.

54:43 Speaker 2: Yeah, we so, Anna and I and Tim Burchett were

54:47 Speaker 2: invited by Dan Farrah for a pre screening and we

54:50 Speaker 2: did see it before it was released and The New

54:54 Speaker 2: York Times covered that.

54:55 Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, and I so again, it's just like I

54:59 Speaker 1: feel like age of disclosure. What was a good I

55:04 Speaker 1: thought that because there was talk of a Presidential Advisory

55:08 Speaker 1: Board or investigatory board after that film came out. Was

55:13 Speaker 1: there any truth to that or was that just kind

55:15 Speaker 1: of speculate, speculative community stuff.

55:19 Speaker 2: I'm not sure if they're if they're looking to put

55:21 Speaker 2: together something else. I know that there there is investigations

55:25 Speaker 2: that are occurring, uh that with within the within the

55:29 Speaker 2: federal government.

55:30 Speaker 1: Well, the FBI as a U a P thing now

55:33 Speaker 1: too right, I.

55:37 Speaker 2: Can't I can't really speak to that that that and

55:41 Speaker 2: I couldn't really say that there it's it's a U

55:44 Speaker 2: a P group. I think you would be I think

55:50 Speaker 2: we would all be ignorant to believe that they're not

55:52 Speaker 2: called in to investigate sightings and some of which might

55:58 Speaker 2: be end up becoming or into as a U a P.

56:01 Speaker 2: But you know, the FBI is their interest is making

56:05 Speaker 2: sure that the the airspace in the United States is secure,

56:09 Speaker 2: and whether that's drone incursion or or or other that

56:14 Speaker 2: it's something that they that they that they're called tasks

56:17 Speaker 2: to investigate.

56:19 Speaker 1: Yeah. Fair enough, fair enough, So I wanted to ask something.

56:26 Speaker 1: It's a bit it's a bit heavy. The Epstein files

56:33 Speaker 1: have revealed a web of influence across government left and right,

56:40 Speaker 1: seemingly covering up something much larger and darker. Why do

56:46 Speaker 1: you think that Epstein was so interested in figures like

56:51 Speaker 1: Eric Weinstein? Eric Weinstein? Why was he so interested in

56:55 Speaker 1: free energy and cracking advanced technologies?

57:01 Speaker 2: It could have been just a private interest. Look, I mean,

57:03 Speaker 2: clearly the guy was a pervert and he had a

57:05 Speaker 2: very dark nature to him. What I think that people

57:11 Speaker 2: tend to not like go into a social setting with

57:15 Speaker 2: people that they don't know or that they barely know,

57:18 Speaker 2: and just announce to the world what their proclivities are

57:22 Speaker 2: if they've got some kind of dark right, I mean,

57:24 Speaker 2: that's just is obvious. And one of them, I'll say, politically,

57:28 Speaker 2: like when you when you get to the point where

57:30 Speaker 2: I'm at, where you just you've encountered thousands and thousands

57:33 Speaker 2: and I mean tens of thousands of people, one of

57:37 Speaker 2: them is either many of them are criminals and you

57:41 Speaker 2: can't vet everybody that you talk to. That being said,

57:46 Speaker 2: a lot of them. I think that there is a

57:49 Speaker 2: weird instinct to some people that know that they're going down,

57:54 Speaker 2: like that they're doing something criminally wrong. There's a weird

57:57 Speaker 2: instinct that some of them have where they want to

57:59 Speaker 2: with want to get close to a politician or to

58:02 Speaker 2: like someone of influence, because if they know they're going down,

58:07 Speaker 2: then they want to kind of they want to create

58:10 Speaker 2: those relationships to for for what might happen. So or

58:16 Speaker 2: if you know you're going down, then you then you

58:19 Speaker 2: try to create an image of some you know, some

58:23 Speaker 2: something that's like on the to kind of like.

58:26 Speaker 1: Look at me, I'm working with the government, you know,

58:29 Speaker 1: like I'm I'm I'm a member of society that's not

58:31 Speaker 1: a total loser.

58:33 Speaker 2: Right, Look at me. I'm I'm donating money to all

58:35 Speaker 2: the yeah, to these charities and to the you know,

58:38 Speaker 2: I'm try investing in science and discovery all that stuff.

58:44 Speaker 2: I think that that while it may not be something

58:47 Speaker 2: that they put together as a formalized plan, I think

58:50 Speaker 2: that that's part of the motivation behind some of the efforts.

58:54 Speaker 2: And it could be that he was following some of

58:57 Speaker 2: his other interests. I mean, he clearly was a guy

59:00 Speaker 2: that was interested in being around some pretty heavy thinkers

59:04 Speaker 2: and scientists and quantum physicists, and and and I actually

59:10 Speaker 2: I wish, I wish that I was able to spend

59:13 Speaker 2: time with some quantum physicists. That's a topic that I

59:16 Speaker 2: can never get enough of. I think it's pretty awesome.

59:18 Speaker 1: But well, all right, and hear me out on this,

59:22 Speaker 1: he like hear me out apparently, so again I said

59:30 Speaker 1: this earlier. Is it not obvious in the sense that

59:38 Speaker 1: the people that are controlling the Epstein's right, the ditties,

59:44 Speaker 1: the Harvey Weinstein, that's film for anyone who doesn't know

59:49 Speaker 1: those people are, that's film, Hollywood, that's the music industry,

59:54 Speaker 1: and that's the financial world. Right, And then we go

59:58 Speaker 1: on to look at religious we know it's there too.

1:00:02 Speaker 1: We don't have to, you know, I live in Boston

1:00:03 Speaker 1: where it was uncovered with with a certain church, so

1:00:07 Speaker 1: I don't have to get into some super specifics here.

1:00:10 Speaker 1: But am I the only one that's like, hey, wait

1:00:14 Speaker 1: a second, guys, the people that are controlling those that

1:00:18 Speaker 1: are honey potting and essentially blackmailing the most important and

1:00:26 Speaker 1: powerful public facing people. Ninety nine out of one hundred

1:00:30 Speaker 1: people will tell you that the United States President is

1:00:33 Speaker 1: the most powerful person in the world. Right, If if

1:00:38 Speaker 1: you've got a guy that's blackmailing him, the most powerful person,

1:00:43 Speaker 1: who do you think is controlling him? If that's not

1:00:46 Speaker 1: the deep state, if that's not the cabal, and that's

1:00:50 Speaker 1: not the same people that are suppressing this sort of technology,

1:00:53 Speaker 1: technological advancement, that have these that Daniel in Away right

1:00:58 Speaker 1: Hawaii you send it her from was also part of

1:01:01 Speaker 1: the Gang eight, spoke about this shadow government that operates

1:01:06 Speaker 1: with its own army, its own fundraising mechanism, its own agenda,

1:01:10 Speaker 1: It operates above the law. And you know, we've never

1:01:15 Speaker 1: heard of them. We don't know those people because they

1:01:18 Speaker 1: want it that way, right, these are are we not

1:01:22 Speaker 1: dealing with the same thing? And I feel like people

1:01:25 Speaker 1: in the UFO world they just they don't want to

1:01:27 Speaker 1: make the tie because it's it's it's dark, it is dark.

1:01:33 Speaker 1: But those same people, could that be the breakaway civilization

1:01:38 Speaker 1: kind of thing as well? Doctor Michael Masters has talked

1:01:41 Speaker 1: about it. You know, this cabal if they want to

1:01:44 Speaker 1: keep that technology secret, they want the rest of the

1:01:48 Speaker 1: world living on fossil fuels and taking planes that that

1:01:54 Speaker 1: haven't been upgraded, our aviation transportation, our grid, it's it's

1:02:00 Speaker 1: all very crude when we start looking at what they

1:02:04 Speaker 1: might have in some of these bunkers. So, I mean,

1:02:10 Speaker 1: have you thought about this?

1:02:12 Speaker 2: I don't know how to answer that. Those kind of

1:02:15 Speaker 2: there's a lot there to what you just asked.

1:02:18 Speaker 1: Do you understand why I asked a question? Let me

1:02:22 Speaker 1: try to There was actually no there was no question there.

1:02:26 Speaker 1: My real question is are you does it not make

1:02:30 Speaker 1: sense that all of it connects, that all of it

1:02:34 Speaker 1: seems to have a a the bubble seem to overlap.

1:02:41 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm careful in this regard that the older I get,

1:02:47 Speaker 2: the more I realized that it's dangerous to try to

1:02:50 Speaker 2: connect things that may not be connected. I think it's

1:02:53 Speaker 2: a natural tendency to try to connect things and to

1:02:56 Speaker 2: look for a commonality that's kind of creating that that's

1:03:01 Speaker 2: connecting things. I'm not saying that they aren't connected. I'm

1:03:04 Speaker 2: just saying I don't know that I don't know. I'm

1:03:07 Speaker 2: not jumping to that conclusion. I think that with Epstein,

1:03:13 Speaker 2: to go back to that, I think the part of

1:03:15 Speaker 2: the problem is you've got some major major political donors

1:03:21 Speaker 2: and people of influence who whose names whether they were

1:03:26 Speaker 2: you know, part of the the perverted actions or not,

1:03:30 Speaker 2: or they were part of a cover up or not.

1:03:33 Speaker 2: They there name, they at least had enough interaction with

1:03:36 Speaker 2: with Epstein that they don't want their names and their

1:03:38 Speaker 2: reputations harmed. And they're gonna they're absolutely going to have

1:03:42 Speaker 2: influence over over whether that information is released. They're gonna

1:03:46 Speaker 2: they're going to make phone calls, and they're gonna try

1:03:49 Speaker 2: to protect their their their reputation. So I think that

1:03:54 Speaker 2: that's something that's at play now. I think, separately the

1:03:59 Speaker 2: com conversation about about, you know, if there's some kind

1:04:04 Speaker 2: of technology that our military contractors have access to, and

1:04:11 Speaker 2: if it's if it's being if there's people that are

1:04:14 Speaker 2: kind of gatekeeping that information, I think that's a whole

1:04:18 Speaker 2: that might I think it's a separate topic. But I

1:04:22 Speaker 2: have spoken with people that claim that there is a

1:04:25 Speaker 2: breakaway civilization, that there is kind of this dark, very

1:04:30 Speaker 2: dark agency within the government. I don't know. I don't

1:04:34 Speaker 2: believe that to be the case. Again, I'm open if

1:04:39 Speaker 2: somebody wants to bring the receipts, then then let's talk

1:04:42 Speaker 2: about it. But to me, it's really highly improbable that

1:04:46 Speaker 2: you've got so many people working on some of like

1:04:50 Speaker 2: something like this of this scale without having without having

1:04:55 Speaker 2: some evidence come forward.

1:04:57 Speaker 1: Okay, fair enough, I mean I suppose fair enough. But

1:05:06 Speaker 1: you know, there was a question that was asked that

1:05:10 Speaker 1: I was supposed to get to and I forgot, So

1:05:15 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm gonna get to this. In a moment here,

1:05:19 Speaker 1: Jeene Sticko asked a question. This is something that an

1:05:24 Speaker 1: age of disclosure was also brought up to though I

1:05:27 Speaker 1: don't know if you remember it, but Rubio, something that

1:05:31 Speaker 1: Rubio said that in that film that I really like

1:05:34 Speaker 1: that really stuck with me was that you'll have like

1:05:37 Speaker 1: you'll have Senator A, right, and Senator A will work

1:05:43 Speaker 1: with a private contractor. Materials will get transferred and then

1:05:49 Speaker 1: you know, the private contractor is you know, they go

1:05:52 Speaker 1: to work on it, and then the next you know,

1:05:56 Speaker 1: the next site election cycle that senator is is you know,

1:06:01 Speaker 1: whatever is not there anymore gets voted out, gets beaten

1:06:04 Speaker 1: an election or his term you know, uh, he steps down,

1:06:08 Speaker 1: Like not likely to be the case. But anyway, the

1:06:14 Speaker 1: second person that comes in, they have even less, probably

1:06:18 Speaker 1: half the knowledge that the first senator did about the

1:06:21 Speaker 1: original agreement, and then go down the line. So the

1:06:24 Speaker 1: private contractor just seems to have to wait out people

1:06:29 Speaker 1: in government because you know, again there there's those people

1:06:35 Speaker 1: are coming and going where the private contractor is not.

1:06:39 Speaker 1: So you know, when Rubio said that, I was like, wow,

1:06:42 Speaker 1: that that makes a lot of sense too. So do

1:06:45 Speaker 1: you think that materials have been transferred and then you

1:06:49 Speaker 1: know contractors might be taking advantage of of the democratic

1:06:54 Speaker 1: nature of our situation.

1:06:57 Speaker 2: I have no doubt that that happens across the board,

1:07:00 Speaker 2: whether it's this topic or other topics. And I have

1:07:03 Speaker 2: no doubt because when with the DOGE effort, that's what

1:07:06 Speaker 2: we were able to uncover is a lot of the things,

1:07:09 Speaker 2: the ways from abuse that they were able to find

1:07:13 Speaker 2: has to do with the fact that you've got decisions

1:07:16 Speaker 2: that were made from previous administrations or previous selected officials

1:07:20 Speaker 2: who passed something, maybe it was a government program, it

1:07:23 Speaker 2: was purchasing a software system, and then they move on

1:07:28 Speaker 2: and forget about it, and meanwhile we're paying we're still

1:07:32 Speaker 2: paying the licensing fees for software that has never been implemented,

1:07:36 Speaker 2: just to give my example, right, and so the so

1:07:39 Speaker 2: the problem is those contractors have no problem taking the

1:07:43 Speaker 2: check and continuing to operate, and in fact would prefer

1:07:48 Speaker 2: that no one remembers that what they're supposed to be doing.

1:07:51 Speaker 2: So I think that there's no doubt in my mind

1:07:55 Speaker 2: that that happens and probably does happen within our military

1:08:00 Speaker 2: contracts as well.

1:08:02 Speaker 1: That's so sad too, because.

1:08:05 Speaker 2: No, as a taxpayer, it's really awful. I mean, when

1:08:08 Speaker 2: you saw how much waste that was uncovered, I'm disappointed

1:08:12 Speaker 2: that we weren't able to actually codify more of the

1:08:17 Speaker 2: DOGE cuts. And look, I don't care if you're a

1:08:20 Speaker 2: Republican or Democrat. There was a time when Bill Clinton

1:08:23 Speaker 2: and Al Gore put together an effort that they is

1:08:26 Speaker 2: essentially DOGE of its time in the nineties. Yeah, and

1:08:31 Speaker 2: they had some really bold things that they were suggesting,

1:08:35 Speaker 2: things like consolidating the ATF into the FBI in order

1:08:40 Speaker 2: to save money and overlapping resources and scope they I mean,

1:08:44 Speaker 2: there was a ton of suggestions that they came up

1:08:48 Speaker 2: with because they were trying to make government more efficient.

1:08:51 Speaker 2: And sadly, I think that we become so partisan and

1:08:56 Speaker 2: political that even the most obvious things that we would

1:09:00 Speaker 2: we should all have a ninety nine percent agreement on

1:09:03 Speaker 2: end up becoming divisive, and so the DOJE effort, sadly

1:09:09 Speaker 2: was one of those and and hopefully we can move on.

1:09:14 Speaker 2: But but but that was I think one of the

1:09:16 Speaker 2: things that they fully uncovered was that a lot of

1:09:19 Speaker 2: these programs that end up becoming almost eternal. I mean,

1:09:24 Speaker 2: Ronald Reagan famously said, the closest thing to eternal life

1:09:27 Speaker 2: that we'll ever see on this planet is a government program.

1:09:30 Speaker 2: So sadly, politicians come and go, but the government programs

1:09:34 Speaker 2: tends to say and and it's and you imagine how

1:09:38 Speaker 2: big the government is today. There's not a single one

1:09:41 Speaker 2: person that can come through and know where everything is going.

1:09:45 Speaker 2: And so because of that, it's just that things get

1:09:47 Speaker 2: lost in the weeds.

1:09:49 Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely couldn't agree more. My friend, so Jane does

1:09:56 Speaker 1: ask here, and Jane was a part Jane was. I know, Gene,

1:10:01 Speaker 1: he's a good he's a good guy. He was a

1:10:04 Speaker 1: part of just the intelligence community. Uh is also a veteran.

1:10:11 Speaker 1: He asked, how does how has the Department of Energy

1:10:15 Speaker 1: and Pentagon compartmentalization hindered oversight of US and Russian including

1:10:22 Speaker 1: the Soviet era reverse engineering programs, including the late nineties

1:10:27 Speaker 1: technology transfers.

1:10:31 Speaker 2: So I think that the the DOE is an agency

1:10:34 Speaker 2: that has probably not been looked at very very much,

1:10:40 Speaker 2: and I think that that's a that's an area that

1:10:42 Speaker 2: we really need to be focusing on at this point.

1:10:44 Speaker 2: So there there doesn't appear to be a whole lot

1:10:48 Speaker 2: of oversight over the Department of Energy and the and

1:10:51 Speaker 2: the the secure programs within the DOE and that, and

1:10:55 Speaker 2: I think that Tulsi's team is trying to change that.

1:11:00 Speaker 2: They are they're trying to get at least some more

1:11:05 Speaker 2: oversight from the Office of Inspector General into the Department

1:11:08 Speaker 2: of Energy, and so hopefully there's some there's some success

1:11:13 Speaker 2: that comes.

1:11:13 Speaker 1: Out of that progress. Yeah, are you guys doing anything

1:11:18 Speaker 1: different in twenty twenty six? How are you guys going

1:11:21 Speaker 1: to shake up you know, this this this hurdle that

1:11:28 Speaker 1: the UAP Disclosure Acts has enacted, you know, going forward?

1:11:34 Speaker 1: I know we talked about it a little bit, but

1:11:37 Speaker 1: how how can we get this pass? What are the

1:11:40 Speaker 1: steps that are going to need to be taken by

1:11:43 Speaker 1: numbers of Congress like yourself and by you know, ordinary citizens.

1:11:48 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that there was some progress made in

1:11:50 Speaker 2: these last few months and weeks leading up to the

1:11:53 Speaker 2: passage of the National Defense Authorization Act because we had

1:11:57 Speaker 2: some success a year ago in the Senate getting it

1:11:59 Speaker 2: added on on temporarily, but it really was never fully

1:12:02 Speaker 2: considered by by the House or really the full Senate

1:12:07 Speaker 2: as well. So but now I will say my team

1:12:12 Speaker 2: we when we were going into the when we were

1:12:16 Speaker 2: going coming out of the shutdown, we we were calling

1:12:23 Speaker 2: or actually it was right before we went when we

1:12:25 Speaker 2: were coming out of the shutdown that first week, and

1:12:28 Speaker 2: then we were getting ready to we passed the appropriation

1:12:30 Speaker 2: bill to fund us to the end of January, and

1:12:33 Speaker 2: then we took our scheduled week back home at the

1:12:38 Speaker 2: week of the Thanksgiving period. During that week, I was

1:12:43 Speaker 2: on the phone with nearly every every person that I

1:12:46 Speaker 2: that would take a phone call, and I mean like

1:12:48 Speaker 2: the ranking member, the chairman of these committees, and and

1:12:52 Speaker 2: my team was working with their staffs and I and

1:12:55 Speaker 2: I think we made a lot of progress because we

1:12:57 Speaker 2: we we got a lot of people that were not

1:12:59 Speaker 2: aware of this bill just saw it as as this

1:13:03 Speaker 2: huge because the amendment is very it's a large amendment,

1:13:07 Speaker 2: and it's something that a lot of these committee staff

1:13:10 Speaker 2: are not familiar with. And so we got a lot

1:13:13 Speaker 2: of familiarity established in the in the this last Thanksgiving

1:13:17 Speaker 2: period so, but I think it was the problem is

1:13:21 Speaker 2: that we we really didn't have our finger on who

1:13:26 Speaker 2: who was the obstacle. Now, I think we've got some

1:13:30 Speaker 2: time and this is a topic that over the next year,

1:13:34 Speaker 2: hopefully we can get some some some approval early on

1:13:39 Speaker 2: to have this language added, hopefully in the early stages

1:13:43 Speaker 2: of the of the progression of the bill. I would

1:13:46 Speaker 2: love to have it added in committee before it even

1:13:49 Speaker 2: goes to the House floor, so that we can really

1:13:52 Speaker 2: lay the groundwork and get and have a good chance

1:13:55 Speaker 2: of passing it.

1:13:56 Speaker 1: Awesome. That's that's a that makes me like, it makes

1:14:00 Speaker 1: me really happy. I think something that I think the

1:14:05 Speaker 1: I mean, do you think you'll have to concede any

1:14:08 Speaker 1: language like eminent domain or anything that gives this this

1:14:13 Speaker 1: act teeth?

1:14:15 Speaker 2: I hope not. I hope not. Yeah, but that does

1:14:20 Speaker 2: not appear to be right now a red flag for others,

1:14:24 Speaker 2: and and I'm hoping you not make it a red flag.

1:14:27 Speaker 1: Okay, and then of course at least.

1:14:30 Speaker 2: There's very few people that have brought that up.

1:14:34 Speaker 1: Okay, Well, yeah, I think that that's fair. The people

1:14:40 Speaker 1: that I'd see having the most problem with it are

1:14:42 Speaker 1: probably the ones that we should be looking at SO.

1:14:47 Speaker 1: But I mean there are guys like Jacques Vallet who

1:14:50 Speaker 1: have raised concerns about it, and that's because he has

1:14:54 Speaker 1: collected material. So he said, you know, what does that

1:14:59 Speaker 1: mean for him as a private citizen with these materials.

1:15:03 Speaker 1: You know, he works with doctor Gary Nolan and and

1:15:08 Speaker 1: has the is He's turned over a lot of these

1:15:10 Speaker 1: materials to Gary Nolan.

1:15:13 Speaker 2: And I would say an easy way to thread that

1:15:16 Speaker 2: is to say, if the federal government gave you material

1:15:20 Speaker 2: to investigate and and we don't and now we no

1:15:23 Speaker 2: longer have access to that, it's time to give it back.

1:15:28 Speaker 2: I think that's a simple way of putting it.

1:15:30 Speaker 1: I like that. I like that, I really do. In

1:15:34 Speaker 1: the past, and I think even in past hearings you've

1:15:38 Speaker 1: referenced UH claims of Lockheed Martin transferring non human technology

1:15:46 Speaker 1: to government programs like ASAP. Have you received any new

1:15:50 Speaker 1: briefings from aerospace in aerospace companies on this and what

1:15:56 Speaker 1: and what and why can't have it? Read my writing here?

1:16:02 Speaker 1: What is the U A U A P Caucus planning

1:16:04 Speaker 1: UH to send to compel answers from firms like Lockheed

1:16:08 Speaker 1: or BAE Systems or you know, include private contractor here.

1:16:16 Speaker 2: Well, we have we began with the Aerospace Corporation and

1:16:20 Speaker 2: then and then we'll continue to send interrogatory letters to

1:16:25 Speaker 2: other agencies, to other other contractors as well. So that's

1:16:30 Speaker 2: that's that's what I spoke to earlier, that some of

1:16:33 Speaker 2: the next steps that GRESH is working on.

1:16:36 Speaker 1: So okay, okay, so and and in these letters, it

1:16:42 Speaker 1: would just kind of state that listen, if you've been

1:16:45 Speaker 1: given something by the government, well.

1:16:48 Speaker 2: The letters kind of the way that we're setting it

1:16:50 Speaker 2: up is that we begin by saying we want a briefing.

1:16:54 Speaker 2: We want the Oversight Committee would like to have a

1:16:56 Speaker 2: have a formal briefing and a skiff and and we're

1:17:00 Speaker 2: requesting that briefing and and we're specific and then then

1:17:04 Speaker 2: there it's accompanied with the details of what the topic

1:17:08 Speaker 2: is and what we what we would like anticipate them,

1:17:11 Speaker 2: you know, bringing forward into that meeting if and then

1:17:16 Speaker 2: we can follow up with more direct letters after that.

1:17:21 Speaker 2: But that's the there's a strategy that the committee staff

1:17:24 Speaker 2: have that you know, the GRUSH is working through in

1:17:29 Speaker 2: order to get in order to get some of these answers,

1:17:32 Speaker 2: and that that's that's kind of the process.

1:17:35 Speaker 1: Interesting, interesting and I'm very interested to see how some

1:17:40 Speaker 1: of these these companies react to that. I although I

1:17:44 Speaker 1: I you know, I I I think I think as

1:17:49 Speaker 1: long as you guys remain committed and and I see

1:17:54 Speaker 1: a bright future in that In that regard, I don't

1:17:56 Speaker 1: know why, but you know, I could be wrong. I

1:18:00 Speaker 1: could be wrong. It's the optimism in me. What can

1:18:02 Speaker 1: I say? Listen? Eric Hecker is someone that I've spoken

1:18:09 Speaker 1: to on the show here. He's left a couple of

1:18:11 Speaker 1: comments that he wanted me to ask you about.

1:18:14 Speaker 2: Yeah. Uh.

1:18:16 Speaker 1: He he said that he briefed your team or made

1:18:19 Speaker 1: efforts to brief your team and just hasn't heard back.

1:18:23 Speaker 1: So he worked for Raytheon at the Antarctic Antarctic region

1:18:30 Speaker 1: that the station, and he is claiming that he had

1:18:35 Speaker 1: found evidence or or has evidence knows things that there

1:18:40 Speaker 1: is a weapon. There's a weapon in Antarctica and it

1:18:45 Speaker 1: is posing as a neutrino detector. H and and so

1:18:50 Speaker 1: have you have you spoken to him?

1:18:54 Speaker 2: You know?

1:18:56 Speaker 1: I mean, we we know there are things like directed

1:19:00 Speaker 1: energy weapons. We know that there are these systems that

1:19:07 Speaker 1: have been developed and might be private, they'll breach national security.

1:19:12 Speaker 1: I'm a I just want to know. Have you have

1:19:17 Speaker 1: you looked at that claim because it you know, if

1:19:22 Speaker 1: we are looking for contractors to tell us what they know.

1:19:27 Speaker 1: I mean, he did work for right down, he was

1:19:29 Speaker 1: at the wee Can. He's shown all that I mean, So,

1:19:33 Speaker 1: is there is there any future plans to look at this.

1:19:37 Speaker 2: So that the task force is not focused on things

1:19:40 Speaker 2: that are not I mean task force is focused on

1:19:43 Speaker 2: the JFK assassination and disclosure of that, and the and

1:19:48 Speaker 2: the RFK, the MLK assassination, the Epstein list, as well

1:19:54 Speaker 2: as the UAP topic. This is kind of tangential but

1:19:59 Speaker 2: not really part of the u AP topic, which is

1:20:01 Speaker 2: why it's it's an intriguing story at this point. It's

1:20:06 Speaker 2: a story, and so I I was willing to and

1:20:10 Speaker 2: I did speak with mister Heckler Hecker Hecker, Eric Hecker,

1:20:18 Speaker 2: I spoke. I spoke with him as probably a Bredian slip.

1:20:22 Speaker 2: I spoke with him for quite some time. We had

1:20:24 Speaker 2: a long conversation with my staff over the phone, and

1:20:28 Speaker 2: it was it's a remarkable story. I again, I kind

1:20:31 Speaker 2: of fall into the bucket at this point. I'm I'm

1:20:35 Speaker 2: I'll listen to your story, but I'm not going to

1:20:37 Speaker 2: believe you until you bring receipts to the conversation, and

1:20:40 Speaker 2: so and so that's kind of where where that conversation

1:20:45 Speaker 2: has ended. Okay, I'm open if he wants to bring

1:20:49 Speaker 2: some some form of evidence or proof. I think if

1:20:52 Speaker 2: I recall the conversation, he was he was challenging us

1:20:55 Speaker 2: to take a trip to the Antarctic and go busting

1:20:59 Speaker 2: in and I'm not about to do that. That's Oh,

1:21:04 Speaker 2: that would be the probably the biggest wild goose chase,

1:21:07 Speaker 2: potentially wild goose chase that that I could put. So

1:21:11 Speaker 2: I'd like to have some evidence before I continue investigating that.

1:21:15 Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, that's I I don't I can't say that's

1:21:17 Speaker 1: not fair. I mean yeah, I mean that I don't know.

1:21:21 Speaker 1: If you know, the people of Missouri, uh would be like, hey,

1:21:28 Speaker 1: you know, Berl said, what are you doing in the

1:21:29 Speaker 1: in the Arctic? What does that have to do with anything?

1:21:33 Speaker 1: But I mean it is a place of very very

1:21:37 Speaker 1: high how do you want to say it? There? There

1:21:43 Speaker 1: there's very interesting things that I think, you know, I've

1:21:47 Speaker 1: heard about Antarctica and just the history of the of

1:21:52 Speaker 1: the continent and great to visit.

1:21:56 Speaker 2: I just I just I'm not I would be very

1:22:01 Speaker 2: hard to justify taking using government dollars to fly down there,

1:22:04 Speaker 2: and I'm certainly not going to go on a campaign fund.

1:22:07 Speaker 2: So so just more evidence. There's gonna have to be

1:22:11 Speaker 2: some kind of evidence that's going to have to surface

1:22:15 Speaker 2: to justify that.

1:22:17 Speaker 1: Fair fair enough, fair enough. You've also so you've spoken

1:22:22 Speaker 1: about the need for short term amnesty to encourage insiders,

1:22:29 Speaker 1: you know, from the actual UAP programs, the legacy programs,

1:22:33 Speaker 1: to come forward without fear of prosecution for NDA's or

1:22:37 Speaker 1: related crimes. Do you believe this could reveal evidence of

1:22:45 Speaker 1: human trafficking or financial misconduct tied to these programs and

1:22:50 Speaker 1: how would you structure such protections.

1:22:53 Speaker 2: Yeah, it could be a real possibility that that has

1:22:57 Speaker 2: been a narrative that you know that this narrative that

1:23:01 Speaker 2: is kind of common within it's part of the zeitgeist

1:23:05 Speaker 2: that you have a form of child trafficking of children

1:23:10 Speaker 2: that have some kind of ability that that is. But

1:23:15 Speaker 2: I'm not so. What we don't want to do is

1:23:18 Speaker 2: create a scenario where you have someone that really was

1:23:21 Speaker 2: a human trafficker that had nothing to do with this

1:23:25 Speaker 2: topic coming forward just so they can just sell immunity

1:23:29 Speaker 2: on some of the things that they were doing. So yeah,

1:23:33 Speaker 2: so that's why I'm leaving it up to in my bill,

1:23:37 Speaker 2: the UAP Disclosure Act, really leaving that decision up to

1:23:42 Speaker 2: the discretion of the board that's being created, so they

1:23:46 Speaker 2: would determine people that are coming forward, if they if

1:23:50 Speaker 2: what level of amnesty that they would be willing to

1:23:52 Speaker 2: give them in order to get the information from them.

1:23:57 Speaker 1: Okay, very very interesting. I have a and again, you know,

1:24:03 Speaker 1: the child trafficking thing, and again it it's again, it's

1:24:09 Speaker 1: it's really dark. And I think, like again, we have

1:24:13 Speaker 1: to be also not only do we have to be

1:24:15 Speaker 1: humble and okay with being wrong, but we have to

1:24:18 Speaker 1: be okay that if this gets a little dark, I

1:24:23 Speaker 1: would be surprised if it didn't.

1:24:27 Speaker 2: We have to go there, sadly, Sadly it's it's there's

1:24:32 Speaker 2: there's real evidence of child trafficking and and and some

1:24:38 Speaker 2: of which is related to the sex industry, and some

1:24:41 Speaker 2: of it's related to organ harvestings. Sadly, there's it's just

1:24:47 Speaker 2: really it's tragic in today's world, in today's modern society,

1:24:54 Speaker 2: that this kind of evil still exists. But yeah, it's

1:24:59 Speaker 2: that's one of the most disturbing things. In fact that

1:25:01 Speaker 2: the movie that recently came out, Sound of Freedom, is

1:25:05 Speaker 2: one of the most heart wrenching movies to watch that

1:25:09 Speaker 2: kind of covers this topic.

1:25:11 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's fucking crazy, it's fucking it is it's

1:25:17 Speaker 1: part of my language. But it makes me, it makes

1:25:21 Speaker 1: me sick, but it makes me motivated.

1:25:24 Speaker 2: And sadly, and sadly, there was a lot that was

1:25:28 Speaker 2: related to having an open border over the last four years. Yeah,

1:25:33 Speaker 2: because there's there was a lot of children that are

1:25:35 Speaker 2: being trafficked across that border, and there are a lot

1:25:38 Speaker 2: of children that we admitted like that we and I say,

1:25:41 Speaker 2: Alejandro mariorcis admittedly lost in the process. So we have

1:25:47 Speaker 2: I think it was somewhere around eighty thousand children that

1:25:51 Speaker 2: they could not account for. Not to say that they

1:25:55 Speaker 2: all ended up in the sex trade or organ harvesting,

1:25:58 Speaker 2: but but that that create when you have that much

1:26:02 Speaker 2: confusion and that much happening, it's it's pretty that's that

1:26:08 Speaker 2: creates the environment for for some of these evil people

1:26:11 Speaker 2: to operate.

1:26:12 Speaker 1: So we need to be careful with amnesty.

1:26:15 Speaker 2: We do.

1:26:16 Speaker 1: We need to be careful, but you know that it

1:26:20 Speaker 1: is it is, it's it's going to be something I've

1:26:24 Speaker 1: always said that, you know, even since twenty seventeen and

1:26:27 Speaker 1: when Lou came forward, I always did say that, you know,

1:26:31 Speaker 1: we were going to have to meet halfway, Like we

1:26:34 Speaker 1: can't just be like we're going to put you all

1:26:37 Speaker 1: in prison, but tell us what you know about the programs,

1:26:41 Speaker 1: Like we're gonna have to meet them halfway, but they

1:26:43 Speaker 1: also need to be able to prove to us that

1:26:45 Speaker 1: they were involved in said program. Right, Yeah, that's fair enough,

1:26:50 Speaker 1: fair enough. You know you you you played a video

1:26:56 Speaker 1: in the recent hearing about it was the hell Fire

1:26:59 Speaker 1: missile and it bounced off of some sort of orb

1:27:04 Speaker 1: craft looking thing. Yea, you you were given that video

1:27:09 Speaker 1: what hours before the hearing? And you know, have you

1:27:12 Speaker 1: seen things? You know, have you seen other things like

1:27:16 Speaker 1: that that that would really make a dent in the community,

1:27:19 Speaker 1: have showed or dent popular haven't.

1:27:21 Speaker 2: I haven't yet seen any any new videos we have,

1:27:26 Speaker 2: As I mentioned before, we have a list of of

1:27:29 Speaker 2: videos that we're seeking and we're requesting, but I haven't.

1:27:33 Speaker 2: I haven't had my eyes on anything since that.

1:27:37 Speaker 1: That one was interesting. Uh, you know, how what do

1:27:44 Speaker 1: you see in that video?

1:27:47 Speaker 2: I don't you know, honestly, I can't really I can't

1:27:51 Speaker 2: ascertain exactly what it is that video is revealing. I mean,

1:27:57 Speaker 2: and I haven't gotten a clear answer as well. So

1:28:01 Speaker 2: the fact that there isn't really any anything anybody coming

1:28:04 Speaker 2: public with a clear answer as to what it is

1:28:10 Speaker 2: is it kind of it leads to the mystery. It

1:28:13 Speaker 2: continues the mystery about what was happening in that video.

1:28:16 Speaker 2: So well, there's funny I've heard that, I've heard like

1:28:21 Speaker 2: what people think it is what it's probably but it's

1:28:24 Speaker 2: but but there's but they also have no definitive proof

1:28:27 Speaker 2: of what of that as well, So I just can't. Yeah, Also,

1:28:34 Speaker 2: what I was hoping to happen from that A you know,

1:28:37 Speaker 2: I very much anticipated this could be a moment where I,

1:28:44 Speaker 2: you know, kind of what like what happened with Lou

1:28:49 Speaker 2: with the with the photo that of the of the

1:28:52 Speaker 2: agricultural rings or circles, right. I think Lou did that

1:28:58 Speaker 2: in an attitude of trying to be trans parent. But

1:29:01 Speaker 2: when you do that, you're taking a risk when the

1:29:04 Speaker 2: alternative is to is to sit on it and fully

1:29:07 Speaker 2: vet it and to and and then be confident about

1:29:10 Speaker 2: what you're getting ready to release with one hundred percent certainty.

1:29:14 Speaker 2: The problem is we you know that. I think that's

1:29:17 Speaker 2: where why we have the problem that we have today.

1:29:20 Speaker 2: We have an attitude of of that that where people

1:29:25 Speaker 2: are not releasing things. And my my position was, look,

1:29:29 Speaker 2: if I sit on this, I'm never going to find

1:29:31 Speaker 2: an answer here because this video was not some I

1:29:35 Speaker 2: don't have the capabilities of of of using I don't

1:29:39 Speaker 2: have the technology to evaluate whether it's an AI video

1:29:42 Speaker 2: or or what it is. And at the end of

1:29:45 Speaker 2: the day, I did I didn't claim that it was

1:29:48 Speaker 2: something more than what it is. I just simply said,

1:29:51 Speaker 2: this is the kind of stuff that is an elected official.

1:29:54 Speaker 2: I'm getting people are dropping files anonymously to to to

1:29:59 Speaker 2: some of us members of Congress and then and so

1:30:03 Speaker 2: rather than sit on it, I chose to release it

1:30:07 Speaker 2: and let the public decide what's what the video is about.

1:30:10 Speaker 2: And so I thought it.

1:30:12 Speaker 1: Was pretty But I honestly, I I thought that the

1:30:18 Speaker 1: last hearing that you guys held was probably and I'm

1:30:21 Speaker 1: not saying this to like stroke anyone's ego or you know,

1:30:25 Speaker 1: do anything like that. I really did think because I

1:30:28 Speaker 1: was at I was at the others this one I

1:30:33 Speaker 1: watched at home, and it was like it was the

1:30:35 Speaker 1: most electrifying hearing I thought, I in my opinion, I

1:30:40 Speaker 1: think it was the one that you know, I know,

1:30:43 Speaker 1: David Gresh made a huge splash with his but this hearing,

1:30:47 Speaker 1: I think with the topic, you know, slowly distigmatizing and

1:30:53 Speaker 1: some of that stigma shedding away. The Dylan Borlins, the

1:30:59 Speaker 1: George Knapp, Chief Wiggins. I thought, you know, Chief, there

1:31:05 Speaker 1: was a lot of things that you know, he's an

1:31:07 Speaker 1: active duty member of the Navy, So for them to

1:31:09 Speaker 1: let that happen, that was pretty amazing.

1:31:12 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. It was a great hearing, and and

1:31:17 Speaker 2: I thought that some of some of their first hand

1:31:19 Speaker 2: encounters were pretty remarkable and so and these are highly

1:31:24 Speaker 2: respected individuals. So sadly I wish that they had taken

1:31:28 Speaker 2: their camera phone out and filmed what they saw. But

1:31:32 Speaker 2: we are right now, we're just kind of left with

1:31:35 Speaker 2: their narrative. And I think, you know, at the end

1:31:38 Speaker 2: of the day, I don't doubt that, I don't doubt

1:31:40 Speaker 2: what they're saying that they believe they saw, and I

1:31:43 Speaker 2: think that they they they saw things they believe you know,

1:31:49 Speaker 2: was either I think we had in that hearing alone,

1:31:52 Speaker 2: you had a rectangular shape object. You had the the

1:31:57 Speaker 2: triangle shaped UAP as well, and then you had the

1:32:02 Speaker 2: glowing orbs that were described in that hearing, So.

1:32:07 Speaker 1: All kind of watching everything.

1:32:09 Speaker 2: Yeah, all three of those witnesses really kind of had

1:32:11 Speaker 2: different experiences, and and I thought that they were that.

1:32:17 Speaker 2: I thought they were honest. I just don't know that

1:32:20 Speaker 2: what they saw is exactly what they think they saw. Oh,

1:32:25 Speaker 2: that kind of I'm not going to jump to that

1:32:27 Speaker 2: conclusion without seeing it myself or having.

1:32:29 Speaker 1: Oh of course. Yeah. And that's why again, that's why

1:32:32 Speaker 1: I have the respect that I do for you, is

1:32:35 Speaker 1: because you're willing to talk to anyone, but you're not

1:32:39 Speaker 1: going to you know, quote unquote unquote jump into a camp. Right,

1:32:46 Speaker 1: That's that's just not who you are. And again I

1:32:48 Speaker 1: really really respect that. See. Look, Streamyard change my camera.

1:32:54 Speaker 1: Just for the record, we talked about this before the show,

1:32:57 Speaker 1: where it changes your equipment halfway on the fly, on

1:33:01 Speaker 1: the fly without you knowing.

1:33:03 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was in I had my audio source change

1:33:07 Speaker 2: on the fly in the last stream Yard that I did.

1:33:09 Speaker 1: So yeah, with guy, hopefully.

1:33:12 Speaker 2: The people of stream Yard are paying attention and they'll

1:33:15 Speaker 2: have a bug fix.

1:33:17 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a member of Congress. Guys, come on, and

1:33:20 Speaker 1: by the way, I wasn't going to bring this up,

1:33:22 Speaker 1: but did I never talked to you about this. You

1:33:24 Speaker 1: know that our last episode, the one that we did,

1:33:27 Speaker 1: our last it got deleted from YouTube for some reason.

1:33:30 Speaker 1: I did not delete it. It got deleted from YouTube.

1:33:35 Speaker 1: So let me say that again. Someone asked me for

1:33:39 Speaker 1: a copy of it, and I went, what do you mean,

1:33:41 Speaker 1: why do you need a copy of it? And they

1:33:43 Speaker 1: were like, it's it's not on your page anymore. It's

1:33:46 Speaker 1: on the audio the audio podcast. But they were like,

1:33:49 Speaker 1: we want the video and I was like, it's on YouTube.

1:33:53 Speaker 1: And I went back. I start looking. I'm like, wait,

1:33:58 Speaker 1: what the hell where is the video? And I swear

1:34:02 Speaker 1: it was deleted. I have and I there was no

1:34:06 Speaker 1: I emailed YouTube, no response back. There was no indication

1:34:11 Speaker 1: that I had ever deleted it, or that there was

1:34:13 Speaker 1: ever any copyrighted material used that would have gotten it

1:34:16 Speaker 1: taken down, because they communicate that with you. Nothing. It

1:34:20 Speaker 1: was just gone. It was very, very weird. But anyway,

1:34:28 Speaker 1: as we round out, you know, because I think you

1:34:32 Speaker 1: know your time is of course super valuable. I'm super

1:34:36 Speaker 1: super thankful to you every time you come on the show,

1:34:39 Speaker 1: and we have something planned for in person. We won't

1:34:42 Speaker 1: talk about that yet, but something coming up that I

1:34:45 Speaker 1: think will be really make a splash, because I think

1:34:48 Speaker 1: twenty twenty six is going to be a really good

1:34:49 Speaker 1: year for UFOs and the topic in general. So rounding things,

1:34:57 Speaker 1: rounding things out. You what, what was something on twenty twenty

1:35:05 Speaker 1: five that you encountered in the UFO topic that had

1:35:12 Speaker 1: you step back a little bit and say, oh shit,

1:35:14 Speaker 1: this is real, Like there's something it's maybe this is real,

1:35:18 Speaker 1: Like there there's there's a real act of covering up

1:35:23 Speaker 1: or or distancing or whatever you want to call it.

1:35:26 Speaker 1: There's something there. There isn't there there? And maybe I

1:35:30 Speaker 1: got a little too close. Was there ever a moment

1:35:32 Speaker 1: like that for you in twenty twenty five?

1:35:37 Speaker 2: I would say the closest thing I'll say for me

1:35:40 Speaker 2: twenty twenty five was was there was some high points,

1:35:45 Speaker 2: there were some low points. There was some points in

1:35:48 Speaker 2: which which I would say to my staff, I'm like,

1:35:52 Speaker 2: this whole thing is total bs. I'm at the you know,

1:35:55 Speaker 2: I met kind of my wits end and kind of

1:35:57 Speaker 2: coming to the conclusion that this is all all this

1:36:01 Speaker 2: is all total complete you know fiction, and and and

1:36:08 Speaker 2: because because you know, if you're in my situation and

1:36:10 Speaker 2: you just keep trying to get to the to the

1:36:13 Speaker 2: facts and trying to get to some kind of physical,

1:36:16 Speaker 2: tangible evidence, and you keep getting shut down left and right,

1:36:21 Speaker 2: or you or you end up at a dead end,

1:36:23 Speaker 2: it gets frustrating. And so there's been those some of

1:36:26 Speaker 2: those blowpoints. There's been moments where I walked out of

1:36:29 Speaker 2: a of a briefing like I I was. I will admit,

1:36:33 Speaker 2: like the meeting that I had with Anna and David

1:36:36 Speaker 2: Grush and the skiff was one of the most I

1:36:38 Speaker 2: walked out of that thinking that there's some you know,

1:36:44 Speaker 2: he at least has a tremendous amount of knowledge about

1:36:49 Speaker 2: the topic, more and I more than I could possibly remember.

1:36:53 Speaker 2: And the sad part about when you go into these

1:36:55 Speaker 2: skiffs is that you can't take any notes. You can't

1:36:58 Speaker 2: take any notes with you. You you it's really you

1:37:02 Speaker 2: have to have almost like a way in which you

1:37:05 Speaker 2: try to try to memorize everything that's said, because because

1:37:09 Speaker 2: it's it's very difficult, and you walk out and there's

1:37:12 Speaker 2: especially if it's a long conversation, there's a lot said

1:37:14 Speaker 2: and you're gonna forget a lot. So, but some of

1:37:18 Speaker 2: the conversations I've had with Grush indicate to me that

1:37:22 Speaker 2: at the very minimum, he is absolutely he knows his

1:37:25 Speaker 2: stuff for sure.

1:37:28 Speaker 1: Interesting. Interesting. I told you I was going to ask

1:37:33 Speaker 1: a question that was going to be a little bit uncomfortable,

1:37:36 Speaker 1: and it's uncomfortable for me because just just because the

1:37:44 Speaker 1: Secrets Task Force, I believe it did leave one thing

1:37:48 Speaker 1: out and that was nine to eleven.

1:37:50 Speaker 2: Oh right, yeah, have you ever.

1:37:54 Speaker 1: Heard now, going back to the Eric Hecker story, directed

1:37:58 Speaker 1: energy weapons and stuff like that, have you ever heard

1:38:02 Speaker 1: of doctor Judy would? I'm not I would implore you

1:38:09 Speaker 1: to look into her work about potentially Now again I

1:38:18 Speaker 1: say this, I want to put as much you know,

1:38:23 Speaker 1: m hm, So I just talk about with you, uh

1:38:30 Speaker 1: take take this without too much like conspiracy mind, but

1:38:39 Speaker 1: there is this idea that when you watch the towers fall,

1:38:44 Speaker 1: a lot of people have talked about where did the

1:38:46 Speaker 1: rubble go? Where did the rubble go? How did this

1:38:49 Speaker 1: building get incinerated to the point where it justified We

1:38:59 Speaker 1: know that with work like that was you know in

1:39:02 Speaker 1: the Reagan era with the Star Wars insitutive if you

1:39:06 Speaker 1: want to believe Eric Hecker and what is down at

1:39:09 Speaker 1: the selth Pole. Uh. Then there's this other idea of

1:39:13 Speaker 1: Project Bluebeam in the UFO community. People said, it's already happened.

1:39:18 Speaker 1: It happened on nine to eleven.

1:39:20 Speaker 2: Uh.

1:39:21 Speaker 1: Do you think that there's any possibility that what we

1:39:24 Speaker 1: saw on those TV screens that day could have been

1:39:31 Speaker 1: not right?

1:39:37 Speaker 2: I don't without having some kind of some kind of evidence. Again,

1:39:41 Speaker 2: I'm probably going to stay away from that for anything.

1:39:45 Speaker 2: There's a lot of people that died, a lot of family.

1:39:47 Speaker 1: Members that three thousand people, Yeah.

1:39:49 Speaker 2: You know that that are probably still recovering from the

1:39:53 Speaker 2: loss of their family member and their loved one. And

1:39:55 Speaker 2: I think, I don't, you know, I'd have to be

1:39:57 Speaker 2: really cautious about h out I understand me into something

1:40:01 Speaker 2: like that without having some kind of evidence. Now I've

1:40:05 Speaker 2: talked to Anna about why nine to eleven is is

1:40:08 Speaker 2: is a subject, and I think that what we're evaluating

1:40:13 Speaker 2: more than anything is is was was the information available

1:40:19 Speaker 2: that could have stopped this? Did that? And I think

1:40:22 Speaker 2: that there's the there's often sometimes sadly, there's a cover

1:40:26 Speaker 2: up in order to cover your rear, right, So there, Yeah,

1:40:31 Speaker 2: I think that some of our intelligence agencies may have

1:40:35 Speaker 2: been trying to cover for the for the you know,

1:40:37 Speaker 2: lack of it or the lack of communicating to catch this,

1:40:42 Speaker 2: and so.

1:40:43 Speaker 1: That's that they it's not that they didn't catch it,

1:40:46 Speaker 1: it's that they weren't willing to pass the evidence along

1:40:51 Speaker 1: and communicate with the other intelligence Apparatusis I mean, that's

1:40:57 Speaker 1: crazy to me. That's crazy to me, right, Yeah, Like

1:41:01 Speaker 1: the we're supposed to be the pinnacle of the pinnacle

1:41:07 Speaker 1: of intelligence, and I think people are going increasingly aware

1:41:11 Speaker 1: that something bad, whatever it was. But I don't think

1:41:19 Speaker 1: do you. I don't think the official narrative is one

1:41:23 Speaker 1: hundred percent solid, and I think maybe we can agree

1:41:27 Speaker 1: on that that there's something that there's there's something wrong

1:41:31 Speaker 1: with the official narrative and how it was presented.

1:41:34 Speaker 2: Yeah, I would I think that you you, there's no

1:41:40 Speaker 2: way that everything that was said is one hundred percent accurate.

1:41:44 Speaker 2: But I also say it's probably probably ninety nine percent

1:41:48 Speaker 2: accurate to what what happened is. So there may be

1:41:51 Speaker 2: some outliers, there may be some things that we did

1:41:54 Speaker 2: that we got wrong, But I would say what we

1:41:57 Speaker 2: need to be investigating in the committee is is definitely

1:42:02 Speaker 2: the communication errors that occurred the like the you know,

1:42:06 Speaker 2: whatever our technology was that didn't catch this, or or

1:42:10 Speaker 2: human intel efforts that didn't that failed us here. And

1:42:15 Speaker 2: then if there was a cover up, if if there

1:42:17 Speaker 2: if the federal government or like whether it was the

1:42:20 Speaker 2: CIA or the FBI, you know, specifically hid documents that

1:42:25 Speaker 2: indicated that they failed. That's something that I think needs

1:42:29 Speaker 2: to come to light. I think. And then at the

1:42:34 Speaker 2: same time, we need to be open to if there's

1:42:37 Speaker 2: people that we need to talk to and look at

1:42:39 Speaker 2: and while we're while we're exploring the topic, I'm open

1:42:43 Speaker 2: so open to looking into stuff.

1:42:46 Speaker 1: Okay, well, I listen. I I would I would look

1:42:52 Speaker 1: at doctor Judy Wood's work. I really would, because I

1:42:56 Speaker 1: think it can inform you on multiple things. And and

1:42:59 Speaker 1: you know, again, even if it's just a surface level,

1:43:04 Speaker 1: you know, it is what it is. You know I

1:43:06 Speaker 1: I I can only I can only tell you. I

1:43:10 Speaker 1: can only tell you, and then you do with it

1:43:12 Speaker 1: what what you think is viable. So listen, I I

1:43:17 Speaker 1: Every time I talk to you, I have I have

1:43:19 Speaker 1: such a good time. I think you're one of the

1:43:22 Speaker 1: most relatable members of Congress, if not the most relatable

1:43:26 Speaker 1: in some aspects. I really commend that the work that

1:43:29 Speaker 1: you've been doing. I commend your ability to discern the

1:43:34 Speaker 1: signal and the noise. And I think if more people

1:43:37 Speaker 1: were like you in Congress, you know, we were there,

1:43:43 Speaker 1: there would be nothing that we couldn't do. I want

1:43:46 Speaker 1: to I want to ask you one last, one last thing,

1:43:53 Speaker 1: the community, you know, the community as a whole. How

1:44:00 Speaker 1: did something that really affected us this year was the

1:44:03 Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk, the Charlie Kirk assassination. And I'd be remiss

1:44:10 Speaker 1: if I didn't talk because you know, UFO is, Yeah,

1:44:12 Speaker 1: it's my main thing, but I also there are other

1:44:16 Speaker 1: things that when they happen, like these wars in the

1:44:20 Speaker 1: Middle East, like these wars in Ukraine, it's hard to

1:44:25 Speaker 1: push the UFO topic in government when things like this

1:44:28 Speaker 1: are happening. So you know, when Charlie Kirk assassinated that

1:44:32 Speaker 1: that was a blow for the right and since then

1:44:36 Speaker 1: there's been a lot of infighting and it parallels for me,

1:44:40 Speaker 1: it's a parallel to the UFO community and the infighting

1:44:43 Speaker 1: over there. Do you see similarities in that sense.

1:44:48 Speaker 2: I think that's an interesting observation. And yeah, it's really

1:44:52 Speaker 2: sad and disgusting some of the some of the some

1:44:56 Speaker 2: of the I think people are capitalizing on his death.

1:44:59 Speaker 2: And this is the fact that there are people that

1:45:01 Speaker 2: are gaining followers and traffic on their social media accounts

1:45:07 Speaker 2: by by saying outlandish and unproven things. Is I think

1:45:14 Speaker 2: there's a special place in hell for some of the

1:45:17 Speaker 2: stuff that's been said and from for those people. So

1:45:21 Speaker 2: I think it's disgusting. Particularly clearly it's harmful to his

1:45:26 Speaker 2: family and his widow. And so I think I think

1:45:30 Speaker 2: if anybody is you know, that people ought to treat

1:45:35 Speaker 2: the whole, you know, the death of anyone, whether it

1:45:37 Speaker 2: was that the people that died on nine to eleven

1:45:40 Speaker 2: or or Charlie Kirk. You know, we have to be

1:45:44 Speaker 2: really careful about about having conversations about these things without

1:45:48 Speaker 2: having any kind of facts or evidence. And and I

1:45:52 Speaker 2: think we need to be really careful about the fact

1:45:55 Speaker 2: that you're, you know, you're you're using, you're really besmirching

1:45:59 Speaker 2: someone's memory and their legacy, and for what you better

1:46:03 Speaker 2: have a pretty damn good reason why.

1:46:08 Speaker 1: Absolutely, And I think what you know, I wasn't exactly

1:46:12 Speaker 1: like a super fan of Charlie's, but I really loved

1:46:15 Speaker 1: the way he was able to bring people together to discuss,

1:46:22 Speaker 1: to openly discuss, because in a world that seems to

1:46:26 Speaker 1: be as connected as possible, we're we're also as isolated

1:46:31 Speaker 1: as possible. It's so weird how it's become like that.

1:46:34 Speaker 1: But sadly it has. The Internet. It gives people a

1:46:38 Speaker 1: way to connect with people and say, you know, socialize

1:46:42 Speaker 1: and you know, kind of touch on those same receptors.

1:46:46 Speaker 1: But all while you're sitting in the basement or in

1:46:49 Speaker 1: the studio or in the living room. It's it's it's

1:46:52 Speaker 1: weird in that sense. And it's also given way to

1:46:56 Speaker 1: a lot of things that, like I said, in the

1:46:58 Speaker 1: UFO community, the people that that the armchair armchair experts,

1:47:03 Speaker 1: the the people that capitalize on the drama and the

1:47:08 Speaker 1: and the and the nothing that's actually gonna move the

1:47:10 Speaker 1: needle forward, all right, they're focusing on the drama aspects

1:47:16 Speaker 1: because they know that's what gets the clicks. If it bleeds,

1:47:19 Speaker 1: it leads, And with Charlie, unfortunately, they took that to

1:47:22 Speaker 1: a whole other level.

1:47:25 Speaker 2: Right and sadly they're they're still doing that.

1:47:27 Speaker 1: So, yeah, did you hear about this? Like in Minecraft,

1:47:32 Speaker 1: there was like this place they built apparently in Minecraft.

1:47:35 Speaker 1: I don't understand Minecraft. I think it should be shut

1:47:37 Speaker 1: down because of the uh people, the people looking for

1:47:45 Speaker 1: little kids on that site or yeah that look into that.

1:47:50 Speaker 1: That is crazy. But Minecraft and all these games predators

1:47:55 Speaker 1: are it's a huge fucking problem. Represented if it's a

1:48:01 Speaker 1: huge problem. Sean Ryan had this god I can't remember

1:48:06 Speaker 1: his name. He's he's he's a white hat. He used

1:48:10 Speaker 1: to be a hacker, like a real real hacker, and

1:48:14 Speaker 1: now he's like a white hat hacker and he and

1:48:18 Speaker 1: he and he catches predators and the number one places

1:48:22 Speaker 1: Minecraft apparently, and no roadblocks roblock but Minecraft to roadblocks

1:48:28 Speaker 1: all those games and and it's crazy. It's crazy to me.

1:48:33 Speaker 2: But in the I think parents, I think parents should

1:48:37 Speaker 2: be should turn off all of that, like networking chat,

1:48:41 Speaker 2: especially to people that are that are unknown.

1:48:44 Speaker 1: Well, you can buy roadblocks. Roadblocks was because they make

1:48:48 Speaker 1: us if you know. You can buy skins in the

1:48:51 Speaker 1: game apparently for your character. One of the skins was

1:48:55 Speaker 1: a white shirt that had freedom on it with blood everywhere.

1:48:59 Speaker 1: It was the yes roadblocks. That shirt is still being

1:49:04 Speaker 1: sold on roadblocks so people and people can go to

1:49:09 Speaker 1: the assassination and take part in it or just be

1:49:13 Speaker 1: an observer. But they built the whole world out and

1:49:17 Speaker 1: then they're selling the T shirts on there, so then

1:49:20 Speaker 1: then they're taking a cut of it. They're taking thirty

1:49:22 Speaker 1: percent of that. And like it's fucking insanity, Like the

1:49:28 Speaker 1: absolute disassociation from reality that the that these it's happening

1:49:36 Speaker 1: and we're running, We are running when we should be

1:49:39 Speaker 1: crawling with this whole AI thing. I'm sorry, but yeah, sorry,

1:49:45 Speaker 1: I got a little heated there. I'm sorry about that.

1:49:47 Speaker 1: It really aggrevated. I don't even have kids and that

1:49:49 Speaker 1: aggravates me. So thank you for what you're doing. What

1:49:55 Speaker 1: what what's next for Eric Burlason and and the topic

1:49:57 Speaker 1: of UFOs.

1:50:00 Speaker 2: Yeah, so we will be hopefully we'll have that with

1:50:04 Speaker 2: whistle blower come forward.

1:50:06 Speaker 1: Well, if you're not going to have hearings, how is

1:50:08 Speaker 1: he going is it going to be?

1:50:10 Speaker 2: I'm talking, we're going to have a meeting with him. First,

1:50:13 Speaker 2: We've got a handful of people that we're going to

1:50:15 Speaker 2: be sending letters to. This is all based on previous

1:50:18 Speaker 2: people that that have come up in hearings or other

1:50:21 Speaker 2: other conversations, and these individuals have not been willing, They

1:50:26 Speaker 2: have not voluntarily come forward and have and so we're

1:50:29 Speaker 2: going to be sending letters requesting that they meet with

1:50:32 Speaker 2: the committee. And then we're also looking to get some

1:50:35 Speaker 2: of these files and documents that have been mentioned.

1:50:40 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's someone said we need a Burlson in Canada. Yes,

1:50:47 Speaker 1: you guys do, Yeah, you do.

1:50:49 Speaker 2: My my wife's family's from Canada. So I been in Ontario, London, Ontario, Sarnia.

1:50:56 Speaker 2: So if you're from that area, that's interesting. I've been there.

1:51:00 Speaker 1: If if if actually what there was one last thing,

1:51:06 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I do apologize the files that because I've

1:51:11 Speaker 1: been working with Gene on something and uh he I

1:51:15 Speaker 1: won't go into that part of it. I could talk

1:51:17 Speaker 1: to you about it off air because we only have

1:51:19 Speaker 1: a limited time. But the files that that Nap entered

1:51:24 Speaker 1: into Congressional record about the Soviet what he brought back

1:51:27 Speaker 1: from the Soviet Union or formerly the Soviet Union in Russia.

1:51:34 Speaker 1: Is there anything you can can you describe what he

1:51:36 Speaker 1: what he gave you? Is there any NDAs prohibiting you

1:51:39 Speaker 1: from that or.

1:51:41 Speaker 2: Is that not made public? If it's not made public,

1:51:43 Speaker 2: we can make that clearly, make that public.

1:51:46 Speaker 1: I please, if you could make that public because it's it's.

1:51:49 Speaker 2: Not yeah, okay, wow, I'll be happy to try to

1:51:53 Speaker 2: scan that in and and unless somebody stops me or

1:51:56 Speaker 2: something for some reason, I'll be happy to make that public.

1:52:00 Speaker 1: Well, like I said, Gene is a veteran and uh

1:52:03 Speaker 1: he he not that I don't want to give you

1:52:06 Speaker 1: the whole thing. But his father in law was the

1:52:09 Speaker 1: Soviet era, like die, it's Latvia what was formerly the

1:52:16 Speaker 1: Soviet Union. Very patriotic guy father in law, and Gene

1:52:22 Speaker 1: is married to obviously his daughter. He died, but in

1:52:28 Speaker 1: the inheritance they got this like journal, this this journal,

1:52:32 Speaker 1: and it was all about reverse engineering UFOs like not

1:52:38 Speaker 1: not like writing like a book, Like it's not a book,

1:52:41 Speaker 1: it's a mathematical scientific maybe I can send it to you.

1:52:47 Speaker 1: It's it's wild. So that's why I ask, because there's

1:52:53 Speaker 1: a lot of ties there, especially with the nuclear topic

1:52:57 Speaker 1: as well. But so what what what what could you

1:53:03 Speaker 1: say about the documents? I mean, as it a what

1:53:06 Speaker 1: was brought back bye by now.

1:53:09 Speaker 2: So a lot of it was some reports of that

1:53:14 Speaker 2: that they they uncovered some craft and and their research

1:53:17 Speaker 2: and and kind of trying to reverse engineer that craft.

1:53:21 Speaker 2: And I think one of the one of the narratives

1:53:24 Speaker 2: was that there was a part of the craft that

1:53:26 Speaker 2: they they were able to basically convert into some weapon

1:53:29 Speaker 2: and for for at least one period of time, it

1:53:33 Speaker 2: were able to activate it and utilize that weapon. So

1:53:36 Speaker 2: that's kind of that's part of the description. But I

1:53:38 Speaker 2: don't I believe the way it described it was it

1:53:41 Speaker 2: was it was, it was used, and it was and

1:53:44 Speaker 2: then it was never capable capable to be used again.

1:53:49 Speaker 2: But that's part of the that this narrative. I'll try

1:53:52 Speaker 2: to get that released if it isn't already. I would

1:53:56 Speaker 2: have thought that, just if you, I would have thought

1:53:59 Speaker 2: that the Oversight Committee would have put it up on

1:54:01 Speaker 2: the on the you know, in our hearing notes.

1:54:06 Speaker 1: Yeah, I I haven't found it, so I would. I

1:54:10 Speaker 1: would definitely appreciate that, and I know others that would

1:54:13 Speaker 1: as well. Yeah, So Eric, till our next discussion. My friend,

1:54:18 Speaker 1: you're one of the most amazing UH members of Congress

1:54:22 Speaker 1: and I I really I can't wait to see what

1:54:26 Speaker 1: you do next. I truly, I truly can't. So thank

1:54:29 Speaker 1: you so much for you know, always taking time and

1:54:34 Speaker 1: meeting with me and and doing these doing these shows.

1:54:37 Speaker 2: Absolutely thank you and happy New Year.

1:54:39 Speaker 1: Happy New Year to you and your family. I'll be

1:54:42 Speaker 1: in touch, of course about what we talked about about

1:54:46 Speaker 1: that in person thing, uh and making that reality. So,

1:54:52 Speaker 1: oh are you you guys are bringing the what's his

1:54:59 Speaker 1: name Walls in, right, Tim Walls, that's what I heard.

1:55:04 Speaker 2: I don't I haven't heard that, but that that's a.

1:55:07 Speaker 1: Nancy Mace put a tweet out today that said, if

1:55:11 Speaker 1: you have any questions that you want me to ask

1:55:13 Speaker 1: Tim Walls and the hearing, submit them below. So I

1:55:17 Speaker 1: assumed that that you knew that. I guess they're bringing

1:55:20 Speaker 1: them in.

1:55:21 Speaker 2: I think she wanted to have a I think she

1:55:23 Speaker 2: wants to focus in on the nuclear topic, on the

1:55:26 Speaker 2: on the connection, and so this might be. I I

1:55:29 Speaker 2: haven't heard the details of what she's putting together, but well, no, no.

1:55:33 Speaker 1: No, this is about well, okay, interesting because interesting because

1:55:36 Speaker 1: I brought Bob's Alice to her office and and and

1:55:40 Speaker 1: that was at the other hearing. But I meant about

1:55:44 Speaker 1: the fraud in Minnesota, Tim Walls.

1:55:46 Speaker 2: Oh, okay, I think that over. Sorry, I'm sorry.

1:55:51 Speaker 1: Oh you just dropped a little exclusive.

1:55:54 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I was thinking of I thought you were

1:55:56 Speaker 2: talking about Mike walls.

1:55:57 Speaker 1: I know, I jump everywhere. I'm crazy and.

1:55:59 Speaker 2: So no, Okay, So when it comes to Tim waltz Nick,

1:56:04 Speaker 2: I'm sure that the over the the overarching Oversight Committee

1:56:10 Speaker 2: and Chairman Comer are probably going to be I would

1:56:13 Speaker 2: be it's for sure that we're going to be bringing

1:56:16 Speaker 2: him in for questions.

1:56:18 Speaker 1: That's oh, I cannot.

1:56:20 Speaker 2: Probably bring in the whistleblowers in Minnesota as well, and

1:56:26 Speaker 2: then kind of work our way towards Tim.

1:56:29 Speaker 1: Amazing, amazing, amazing. I can't wait. So, my friend anything

1:56:37 Speaker 1: to say, what what would be your number one piece

1:56:40 Speaker 1: if someone asked you, what was your number one piece

1:56:42 Speaker 1: of advice that you could give to people in the

1:56:43 Speaker 1: UFO community going forward and leaving twenty twenty five behind

1:56:53 Speaker 1: and you know some of that stuff. What would be

1:56:55 Speaker 1: your piece of advice to anyone entering the subject.

1:56:58 Speaker 2: I would say, be respect full of of something you

1:57:02 Speaker 2: know and and and a lot of people are really

1:57:06 Speaker 2: quick to just jump all over people if if if

1:57:10 Speaker 2: you make a statement or a misstatement, try to try

1:57:15 Speaker 2: to give the community needs to like give people a

1:57:19 Speaker 2: little bit of grace. And I say that because they're

1:57:21 Speaker 2: there's so they're throughout this experience I've and maybe it's

1:57:25 Speaker 2: because people are so passionate. I've never been involved in

1:57:28 Speaker 2: a topic that has got such such little grace in

1:57:33 Speaker 2: in what said. And there's to the point where you

1:57:36 Speaker 2: really have to parse your words because you realize that

1:57:38 Speaker 2: anything that you say is going to be could be

1:57:42 Speaker 2: twisted or could be questioned. And so I would say

1:57:46 Speaker 2: the community just needs to let up a little bit.

1:57:48 Speaker 2: And yeah, and have and and the other thing is

1:57:51 Speaker 2: take a step back, because as I said earlier at

1:57:53 Speaker 2: the beginning of this interview, is that you're your perspective

1:57:57 Speaker 2: may not may be wrong, and you need to be

1:58:00 Speaker 2: prepared for that. So try to be have the same

1:58:03 Speaker 2: attitude of you know, of a true investigator, where you

1:58:09 Speaker 2: where you're willing to kind of accept the fact that

1:58:11 Speaker 2: some of your preconceived notions might be might might not

1:58:15 Speaker 2: be provable, or they may not have been proven. So

1:58:17 Speaker 2: be ready to change that and so absolutely have the

1:58:22 Speaker 2: perspective of a scientist who's actually trying to get the truth.

1:58:26 Speaker 1: Yeah, and when yeah, actually no, I'm not going to

1:58:31 Speaker 1: say that. I don't want to offend anybody on on

1:58:34 Speaker 1: the other side, but repro Lissen, keep doing what you're doing.

1:58:39 Speaker 1: We did get a last super Chat question. I feel

1:58:43 Speaker 1: bad for not being able to ask it. But there's

1:58:46 Speaker 1: evidence about seeing of the first and second and third

1:58:50 Speaker 1: generations of black triangles in Kansas. I don't know what

1:58:56 Speaker 1: that is. Elaborate on the evidence he has seen of

1:59:00 Speaker 1: the first, second, and third generations of the black triangles

1:59:05 Speaker 1: seen and filmed in Kansas. Do you know what? Do

1:59:08 Speaker 1: you know what this means?

1:59:10 Speaker 2: Yeah, there there's an individual that is that has brought

1:59:14 Speaker 2: forward some photos and in a claim that that these

1:59:22 Speaker 2: are a third generation or second generation of reverse engineered craft.

1:59:28 Speaker 2: They I don't I'm not. I haven't been able to

1:59:32 Speaker 2: verify that this is true, that that any anything that

1:59:35 Speaker 2: has been said is true. So we I in fact,

1:59:39 Speaker 2: I don't like Oh, okay, yeah, there's there's a lot

1:59:42 Speaker 2: of there's a lot of questioning about about the motivation

1:59:50 Speaker 2: of that's coming from that from that perspective.

1:59:53 Speaker 1: Okay, I think I I I actually I think I

1:59:56 Speaker 1: I think Tim Phillips I asked him, I think this

1:59:59 Speaker 1: is all the same person. So because I had Tim

2:00:03 Speaker 1: Phillips of arrow on and yeah, anyway, mister Burla said,

2:00:09 Speaker 1: representative to you and your family, nothing but the best

2:00:14 Speaker 1: I cannot wait to see what you guys have. I'd

2:00:17 Speaker 1: be very interested in you know, let me know if

2:00:21 Speaker 1: that whistleblower does come forward, because you know, I'll fly

2:00:24 Speaker 1: down to d C too to be a part of

2:00:27 Speaker 1: whatever you know, public forum that takes. And uh, we'll chat,

2:00:33 Speaker 1: we'll chat. Keep up the good work, my friend.

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