TDP UFO FILM REVIEWS: "FOIL" Featuring Creadtors Of the Film Zach Green and Devin O'Rourke
"After opting out of their high school reunion to reconnect on a desert camping trip, Rex and Dexter realize their intentions for the weekend are at odds. Dexter, a failed filmmaker, hopes to harness a fabled vortex in the area to inspire a movie idea. Rex, a rebellious conspiracy theorist, plans to investigate a rumored UFO crash believed to explain the anomaly. Tensions boil over when they meet an unusually friendly camper who claims to have found some wreckage from the crash: a mysterious piece of shiny foil. In over their heads, the two friends are unsure what to believe. Reconciling their past may be the only way either of them walks out of this desert with a future." Cranked Films 2023 TM
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All right, and we're back with the stars and uh the the creators of
Foil. Guys, thank you so much for being on total disclosure. So
I I do want to start off by saying, so, I absolutely loved,
absolutely loved the film. Just from the trailer, you kind of get
that vibe that this is going to be you know, that buddy cop,
not buddy cop, but that buddy h trip kind of feeling. And I
really loved the setting, the intimacy of the film, and just everything that
you put together, how you weaved it. And I do want to talk
about, you know how how you did some of that, But first I
really just want to dig it to who you guys are. Uh So we'll
start with Zach. Zach, can you tell us just a little bit more
about your background and you know how you why is this the movie you made?
Sure? Yeah? Well, yep, I'm Zach Green, a director,
co writer, co star of Foil. I hail from Austin, Texas.
Went to high school out there, grew up out there, started taking
film classes in high school about junior senior year. Was into it was simultaneously
also pretty heavily like a musical theater like theater dork. So I think a
lot of Yeah, so I think like a lot of my like dialogue obsession
and also just like bigger style of performance comes you know from is rooted in
that continues to be. Uh. But then I moved out tire to Orange
County to go to Chapman in eight for film school, like a directing writing
emphasis there, and I've been out here ever since, not working film the
entire time. I never fully stopped acting, but there was a period there
where I was, you know, working at a furniture fabricator shop for five
years, and and then at one point an old college buddy introduced me to
Devon. We became fast friends, and you know, our sensibilities linked so
seamlessly that it quickly led to actually Devin coming to me pitching the the initial
sort of elevator pitch of Foil. So if I was into it. So
your real life friendship kind of is reflected in the film in a way.
Sure, Yeah, Yeah, I mean yeah, Bud's on screen buds in
real life for sure. Yeah. Cool? Cool? So, Devin,
uh, if you could share the same Yeah. So, I'm also from
Texas. Originally I grew up in Houston. I went to University of Texas
at Austin, and I didn't know Zach back then. We actually we were
there. We had some overlap in years, but I didn't know Zach until
really five or six years ago. I moved to LA, I went to
film school, and then moved to LA in twenty ten. And you know,
I've worked mostly as an editor at various studios, but I've always I've
always written and acted as well. And throughout the years, I made some
short films. And when I met Zach, like you said, we realized
that we just had similar sensibilities in terms of how we think about filmmaking and
you know, our approach to it in terms of like improv and the looseness
of it and the emphasis on dialogue. And also we realized that we both
have an interest in sci fi movies and also real life UFO and paranormal cases.
So well that oil, I think we kind of the idea because we
we'd made a short film right before in twenty twenty, and that went well,
and we realized that we both wanted to make something bigger. We wanted
to make a feature, and we thought, you know what if we brought
sort of our dialogue friendship sort of core to a sci fi story, and
that's sort of where it started. So you clearly know either So either you
know the subject or you researched it heavily before, because you do incorporate these
aspects of various UFO like legitimate like whether you want to you know, look
at it as a believer or a skeptic, you know, war or history.
Uh so uh is this a topic of passion for you guys? I
would say that it's always been something that has intrigued me and something that ultimately
I think it is the thing that I believe in and think about. But
I think Devin definitely brings a more like specific I would maybe not encyclopedic level,
but like he he definitely knows his his stuff, like I only know
like the very big, very popular UFO cases out there. But I think
you, having seen the film, you notice that in Devin's seen where he
really describes a close encounter very specifically, he that all came from his knowledge
of I mean, yeah, if you want to elaborate further, Yeah,
So, Devin, you I want to know if I'm right about where you
pulled that story from. So can you tell me where you drew that enclose
encounter, how you crafted that story, because there is a similarity in in
in you know, of course abduction stories in general. But where did you
where did you draw inspiration from that? I would say it was deep detailed.
Yeah, there are there are a few real life stories that informed the
details of that, one being the Travis Walton case, uh and sort of
the idea of like lost time, and another being the Reynal Tromp forest incident
and Jim Peniston's story about you know, he's in nineteen eighty US Air Force
base and and uh in England touches he touches the craft and he says that
he got like a flash of binary code in his head which ended up being
like the coordinates for for that that place. And so that that was listening
to his interviews definitely inspired that. The details of that story, the and
and you you you even used And that's what I loved is you use the
premise of that, you know, because it's in your journal, right,
you end up you know, you end up seeing that it was written.
And that's first first of all, And I'm glad you said it. So
I got Travis Walton and renders from forst those two. I was like,
this is where it's getting pulled from, because you know it had those and
you're right when Jim Touchcraft allegedly had that flash of and then wrote this,
you know this code that was just you know, uh stuff. So that's
that's that's what I caught. Like, that's real lure and I love that.
I love that about this. I'm glad you got that. You know,
the movie is very silly overall, but it was important to us two
you know, take with with with Rext's story, like abduction story, to
take that seriously because very I've I've seen kind of how the people who have
those stories have been affected personally over their whole lives, and we wanted it
to be accurate and we wanted to be you know, respectful of people's real
stories, even though this is a silly comedy. Yeah, well that was
important to kind of balance balance the silliness with some some sincerity as far as
that that story went. Well, yeah, and I think you did a
good job of of of when you're when you actually retell the full story,
uh and recall the entire event. Uh. I think that scene it was
very powerful in that nature where you know where the tone shifts, right,
it goes from that that you know, like bantery comedy, uh, to
a really like listen, man, this isn't a joke for me, right,
like this is this is this is it and and like it's it's it's
you know, something something happened to me and I'm I'm looking very answers.
And it's what I call the moment of conversion. Right when I talk to
actual experiencers, it's the moment they know they go from being a believer to
a knower. And I mean, have you had any you know, you
those sightings of your own? I would I have not had like a definitive
one Zach actually has any like paranormal activity anything. I honestly, I can't
say definitively that I that I have. I think what really the core of
it for me though, is like it's we talk about a lot about like
believe, being a believer and knowing, and like it's it's a matter of
it's a it's like a it's about faith really, not like religious faith,
but it's like wanting to believe that there's something more out there, right,
And that's sort of like the the core of this movie. For me,
it's about faith and like and sort of like Rex really wanting to to find
meaning and what he experienced and like there has to be meaning, right,
this has to be real. There has to be something else out there.
Right. I can't just be I just I can't sit back and not right
this question. But also but also it's about how when you have that kind
of experience like Rex did, you can become sort of like frozen in time,
like you can't it's hard to move on, which he hasn't really done
in his life, right, Like he's he hasn't been able to mentally move
on until he finds some answers. So and that's inevitably where the boddiness comes
in. And you know, it just so happens that in the film.
You know, zach Is is back for from Hollywood as a as a fail.
Yeah, let's let's say what it is. He's it failed. He
is it failed. Uh one of the one of the l A transports we
call them, right, and uh, he's back home and it's he's funnily
uh trying to get a job at Uh. Well I won't spoil that,
but yeah, go watch the film. But he's funnily, funnily trying to
get a job. It's really it's really like it's a good moment. But
you guys then meet and you want to go on this, you know for
what Zach would be this and a retreat uh and and inspirational uh journey to
kind of spark his inner inner inner writer. And for you, uh,
it was something else or for your character it was something else. So I
love that aspect of the uh to contrasting goals and you know them kind of
both being hidden under this reunion of two friends. So I mean, Zach,
talk about your UFO or pernal activity. Sure. Yeah. So I
grew up visiting a on my dad's side of the family. We would we
would rent a house and then later had a house down in a little south
of Laguna like Capistrano Beach, like just north of San Clementy, and growing
up would stay up late watch the night skies all the time. Was always
fascinated by what I was seeing bringing my dad. You know, we had
a little telescope trying to think I was finding stuff, but you know it
was usually like stars aligning and doing like different colored flashings phenomenon. And but
there was one particular time where I was driving south on the five about to
exit PCH to get to the house, and it was day. It was
broad daylight, It's a very overcast day, and as I turned left onto
the PCH, I saw like the underbelly, like the shadow underbelly of a
disc, like pretty clearly sticking out from the cloud cover to my right.
I'm going, like the beaches to my right. I wouldn't say it was
over the water. It was like pretty you know, maybe like a like
thirty degree angle from where I'm looking. And it's one of those things where
like I'm on the I'm like driving quickly and don't want to kill myself,
but I'm like trying to get a good look. And I didn't have a
sun roof to look through, and sort of pulled off into like the closest
parking pull off area that I could. It was like a little embankment of
restaurants. It's like a kind of bad Italian resta. I was right there
and got out, and by the time I got out of the car,
I didn't see anything up there, but I you know, very vividly,
that whole experience of drive was probably the whole thing was probably like a two
minute experience of at no point was it moving or going away or disappearing or
anything, and at no point did it present itself more than just like the
dark outlined separated disc from you know, the overcast you know sky behind it.
But that's the only time that that really felt like, Okay, I
like fully can't explain you know what that was or yeah, so there's that.
And you know, for the longest time, I thought I had like
a more paranormal like you know, I guess what one we call like a
ghost like experience, But I have since come to uh, yeah, hell
yeah man, this yeah, this imagery is like something similar to to this
yeah yeah, this one, yeah yeah, the one you're pointing at,
Yeah, not so much the one on the left with the wisps in it.
Yeah, full kind of like that. And I can't unfortunately, I
can't save it because it's like a web web p file and those don't work.
It has to be a certain imagery. But yeah, so like I
don't know, there's a there's a cool little picture reference. There's always been
a lot of conjecture around uh activities surround that part of the ocean, like
Catalina Island and all, yeah, well I've had a sighting on on Catalina
there I was. I was there filming and and I I have the film.
I mean there's no there's no doubt about what was seen. I mean
I was. I was shooting with the Sony Alpha seven C so with with
the telephoto lens though, so I didn't get you see it go by like
as I'm speaking, and I mean, it's just not I'll talk. Maybe
we could talk and I'll send it to you guys after. But yeah,
and asn't. I've never showed it to anybody because it's gonna be included in
something eventually. But uh, yeah, so you're kind of ironic. But
I also had a UFO siding right outside this right oside here. And what's
funny is I grew up. This is where I grew up, and I'm
in Boston, Okay, so uh this is coast, and I lived next
to an Air Force base, and but I also lived next to right beyond
right at this military industrial complex. Right they had defense. Uh they have
a huge role in the defense budget and they and they the huge headquarters.
So I had this disc come the flyings classic saucer come literally just right over
my right over my head and right over my house as I was. This
is when I was like fourteen, and uh, I mean it was oscillating
and moving forward and it went over my house. I chased it into the
backyard and by the time I got in the backyard it was God. But
uh, that's what I didn't even know the UFO was. I went to
the library and and found out that other people had sightings that that were like
mine, that that and there was a label for it called a uf foe,
and it was just it was that was like the predecessor to my journey.
I've always been that guy at the at the party that's asking you know,
like like like like kind of like your character Devin uh uh or at
least in his current form in the movie, where he's like, you know,
drinking and you know, asking the existential questions and uh, you know
that guy where uh you know, uh, it's it's kind of funny.
So I really drew to your character. But I also drew to your character
Zact in the sense that you're the short temperedness and because I have that as
well, I definitely have that as well. But uh, where did you
pull from and and how how did you? How did you when he pitched
this to you? What was the what what was your vision for the for
the character? And is that what we ended up with? Great question?
You know. So when Dev originally pitched it, he he was sort of
envisioning almost like a one act version of it, like two guys in the
desert come across a piece of something that may or may not be space boil
and then kind of you guys are turning on each other's sort of a darker
take. Dev references tape Richard Linklator's tape as like the very original inspo and
like makes it. It was made sense to pitch given that the short we'd
just done was shot in one day, no budget, you know, right
follow up to that, and so that would be like, you know,
if we wanted to replicate that short exactly with foil, that's probably how we
would have done it and approached it right. But by that time we were
in lockdown. It was it was full COVID lockdown, and that sort of
opened the door to let us dream bigger. Not that we weren't also wanting
that, you know, we'd love to do our first feature and but that
kind of gave us permission to, like, okay, like, nothing's going
on right now with anyone anywhere where we are all stuck, you know,
for who knows how long, in determined amount of time, So that gave
us time to just sort of let our imaginations run wild with it. And
that's when we started to have a lot of fun with where it could go.
And honestly, I don't think we had sort of set characters going into
it. I mean I know that we you know, we discussed a lot
just the different interpretations of foil, one which being that the characters, the
main characters should all be foils of one another, just to you know,
easily inspire conflict and generate you know, good dialogue scenes that way. But
really it started with just Dev and I kind of maybe, you know,
you could loosely call out the curve of your enthusiasm approach of like having beats
set up for a scene or for a sequence, and then Devin would come
over and we'd hang out in my backyard ten feet apart, and we would
improv through those beats with sometimes with cameras on, but usually just with our
voice recorders on on our phones and that slowly would start to we'd sculpt scenes
from that. And also we we kind of found our characters through that improv.
Oh so yeah, I mean I think we at least had a we
I think we at least knew for sure. I was the skeptic and you
were the believer. We knew that much, right, But but yeah,
I love the I love that poster as well. Uh and to Emily My
she's the poster designer, she killed it. Yeah, and so it's playing
right now, right, it's out right now and Prime and Apple Prime and
Apple Yeah. Awesome, awesome, awesome, And uh, we're not done
yet, by the way. I just wanted to make that clear. And
then I believe you can go to foil movie. Uh if I'm maybe mistaken,
Yeah, foil movie dot Yeah, foilmovie dot com backslash uh to see
more and watch the film or to learn more about it. But you know,
mm hm, how did you so how long did it take to make
uh make the movie? And what were the shooting conditions, like in the
desert like that, because I know it could be challenging, uh, you
know, being in in the heat like that, but also at night it
becomes really really cold. Yeah, it was very cold at night. So
we wrote it. Like Zach said during Lockdown, I think we had our
first draft in November of twenty twenty. That's actually that's when we started writing.
We started okay by the spring of twenty twenty one, yeah, I
think, Yeah, early twenty one we had a draft. We continued revising
it up until we began shooting in September of twenty one. We shot the
first act. Essentially, we shot us driving out in the Bronco, which
was in Joshua Tree. That was the weekend of shooting, and then we
came back and shot in La the video store scene, and then we took
a little break until the next February while we sort of found a new location,
desert location in Lancaster to shoot the bulk of it. So the main
the main schedule was two weeks in February of twenty two out in Lancaster,
and it was still hot during the day. It was damn cold at night,
bearable during the day. What's that. Yeah, Yeah, it gets
real cold and windy, really windy during win there's nothing blocking the wind,
right, It's essentially a wind tunnel. It took down canopies and stuff.
Oh yeah, I could imagine you couldn't could we even be filming? Like
is this usable? And the sound guy like really couldn't say. He was
just on the boom, like I think. So I guess we'll find out,
guys. Yeah, okay, so so wait so really none of that
came None of that came through. I mean, I was really impressed with
the quality. And I really liked some the because I'm a dialogue I'm a
dialogue junkie in it, right, h I love Christopher Nolan. Uh you
know guys like that, who are who are just you know, uh,
like you you need to pay attention to the dialogue and this there was a
lot of dialogue in it and there it was just it was really really really
really awesome to see, uh it come to life. And because I can
kind of see where it was going, you know, there was obviously some
inspiration from Roswell, uh like where the site is. But where did you
get the idea for uh, like, the the alien because you went with
a certain a certain arc type, not the not the typical and and and
I'm very curious as to why you went with the different, right unique take
on on the alien situation and what it is versus you know what the main
grays are, right, Yeah, and we don't we don't want to totally
spoil what that is, but we can. Yeah, I would say,
like you know, it came back to the word foil, right, and
we we what really unlocked the script for us was thinking about different meanings of
foil. There's the literal memory foil, which is also a Roswell inspired well
it's not it's not even just Roswell, Ye, it's Roswell. It's it's
Roswell Virginia. So many places I've talked about it. Yeah, uh yeah,
So that that's kind of we've, like you said, we've seen that
in different stories. There's a literal foil, there's the character foils, and
then another one is sort of like foil as sort of like a shiny distraction
like a and even like a like a mirage, like a desert mirage.
And people people that are everyone's representing a false version of themselves in a way,
and that sort of informed like how we thought about who people really are,
you know, and the idea that there could be you know, there
were early drafts of the script where Tom and Rambo were like older versions of
us and we were in some kind of time loop and there were different things
that at various versions of the script were one thing or another. But in
the end, like we came back to the word foil and the different meanings
of it and how how does that inform how we treat the the paranormal elements
for this? Right? Right? I really liked that. That's amazing And
when so this obviously is uh there's not a lot of cast, right,
So there's there's not a huge cast. How did you select uh the the
who you wanted uh to play? Each character? You know, these friends
of yours uh or and and other you know, how did that process go?
Is creating the other characters? So this being a pretty low budget endeavor,
there was no casting director in the process, and essentially everyone in the
movie except for maybe Eric in the bar, dev is someone that I previously
acted with in I was in a couple of feature films in Austin before I
came out for college, and in the first couple of years I was in
college, just like really lucked out with a guy there. I always want
to shout him out, Brian Poyser, who's like this really awesome indie filmmaker
in Austin. Chris Dubeck was the star of the first film that I was
in, All Lovers of Hate and should totally check it out. I think
it's I still think it's an awesome flick. And then his next movie he
also cast me in and I played a stoner roommate with Brian mc rambo.
Oh god if I cannot wait for that because love and their sex. Yeah.
My other roommate in the film is Zach Kreigor, who you know he
directed? Yeah, yeah, did that's the Barbarian Barbarian? Yeah, thank
you? Yeah, So me and him and Craiger were stoner roommates in that
one. And Ashley Ray Spillers who's Gina in the bar seeing the Carvey scene
shoes in that and then everyone else, uh Felix at the video store,
the manager Jasmine who plays Bonnie Jonkers, so I bump into at the store.
Those are all just those are actually folks they met out here in l
A through just a long I went on like a long five six year journey
of stand up improv through Groundlings and UCB and Second City networking. Yeah,
yeah, just kind of you know, and I'm not the best at it.
I'm I'm kind of a terrible networker. But there are a few folks
that stuck that were patient with me as like a reclusive member of that community
and that yeah Arian Jazz and are two like uh, well yeah, no,
I wish I wish I had that. I wish I had more people
that were willing to act around me. I should also say too, that
we it. We benefited also from it being again lockdown, so everyone that
we called was like, yeah, you're you're shooting now, and like it's
like, what do you mean, it's the best time to shoot. No
one's doing anything, no one's out. But also it was great that,
uh that Zach knew all these actors, because to ask people to come out,
well, the other guy to the desert in those conditions for two weeks
was knowing it would be a brutal shoot. Like having that trust and experience
with Zach was important, I think, and it just made things a lot
easier when we were actually out there shooting because there was a level of comfort
with Zach that already existed. I think that was important. But yeah,
that I mean, and Zach had the instinct for Rambo is Brian and and
Thomas Chris and uh, just really good casting in Stincs the whole way.
Uh on Zach's part. Yeah, gentlemen, can you hold on one second?
Yep, my computer, I forgot my charger isn't plugged in again.
M O, I forget that recorded. Good thing. I can end it
out. It's a good thing about you're recording it. I love stream Yard.
So I'm sorry now I lost my train of thought. God damn it.
Yeah, we were discussing the cast well and also too like that that
does tie into what's always kind of we keep coming back to what a nice
yin Yang situation Devin and I have in so many ways, but one of
another of which being that, Yeah, my experience up to that point was
mostly in production at school, so that helped us, you know, that
was how we found our DP and and then also the acting production experience led
to the cast. But I didn't have much production or you know, post
production experience, or at least not in that world. Didn't know a lot
of people in that world. And that's where dev that's his bread and butter
and where he's been you know, working for many years. And you know
that's when he got to step in and plug people into positions and in ways
that I wouldn't have had any kind of rolodex too, right, you know,
which is great. It was like we we covered each other's lind spots
well in a lot of ways, right right. And so the the guy
who plays Tom, I'm blanking on his name right now. Uh, he
was amazing, uh, as well as the the other gentleman, the tall
lanky guy Rambo. So he blew me away actually, so yeah, because
no, he I don't even know what it was it was about him,
but like he reminded me of somebody and uh, it was just his character
was like it was so like, I don't know it. It really really
was just such a good performance because you didn't know whether to hate or love
the guy, uh, like because he's kind of like dopey in that sense,
like he's very literal. Uh, and you know, I kind of
saw the way something something coming, and you know, I'm glad, I'm
glad that the story that went away that it did. Uh. And I'm
really I'm really really glad that, uh, those that they were able to
to bring U life to those to those scenes because those were very, very
very How did you pull those off? Because there's limited, very limited VFX.
The VFX was you know, we there certainly was a lot of VFX,
but there was also a lot of times that where we went in to
shoot or at least we're very close to shooting, assuming we were going to
do VFX for things that we've managed to figure out how to do practically that
I think saved us a lot of headache and post. Really have to shout
out Jordan Black, the DP of the film, because he's just like a
tinkerer and very savvy on just like what if we just you know, use
this thing that's used for some total heather purpose for this and he's he figured
out how to make the spinning practical. He figured out how to make the
whole gag with lighting the bonfire a practical gag. He you know that that
like saved a lot for us. Yeah, the foil unfolding is practical.
You know that was practical. Yeah, well the foil does that foil that
we had does unfold itself, and and we did speed it up and post,
but you know we did stuff with with lights like blue lights shining across
it, and uh, we actually picked up that shot in the driveway.
After the shoot, we we shot it out there in the desert, a
version of it, and then we realized we can make it a little better,
and we brought dirt from the desert, uh and just re reshot that
and and Zack's drive away until it it felt right, made a little sandbox
in the driveway. Yeah, wow, wow, that's how did you end
up? How did you make that work with the foil? Then? Yeah,
it's it's just like so so so so is it something you can is
there already something online like similar where you can buy it where it like unfolds
and then you that's when you just sped it up. It was a product
on our production designer Adele understood that because we discussed that it really can't be
just kitchen foiled. There needs to be something about the sine to it,
right that would indicate and enough to the audience that it's interesting. Yeah,
but not fully one giving away that it that it is something you know of
note, but right, because there needs to be that deniability for Zach exactly.
So she we kept returning to like prisms and like CD ROMs and like
you know, that kind of sheen to it. And sure enough she found.
I think it was really like an adhesive thing. It was like a
double sided adhesive paper that you're supposed to peel off and stick to stuff.
But if you didn't peel it and just kept both sides and crumpled it,
something about like the glue that was in there that was keeping it together did
give it a little bit of memory to it, so that when you know,
as long as you didn't fold it too dense, too hard to crumple
and let it go, it would it would you know, not all the
way back to fully smooth, but pretty darn close. I mean, right,
that's that's that's that's amazing because and that's what I love is like the
ingenuity of uh these these you know, because these productions don't have the Marvel
budgets, right obviously, but you but you made it look very very,
very very It's just like I said, it's very well done, and it's
it's very well presented in it in its nature, and you know, I
love a lot of the contrast and uh not just not not just between the
characters, but between the the the the story itself, uh, the UFO
history and what's real, what's not right? Because you're pulling from actual quote
unquote, actual events. So it was really really a fun, fun,
a fun movie for me to watch, and I really I really loved your
guys. Any plans for like a next project that you know has to do
with this topic. We're kicking some ideas around for the next thing. We
definitely really like living in the genre space. The you know midnight movie audience,
I think is one that we're attracted to. Definitely wouldn't rule out returning
to sci fi or you know UFO alien related. Well, there's a yeah,
there's a huge demand for it, man, there's there's there's a huge
demand for it, and especially good uh well told stories like yours that use
that that that that actual history, that actual Yeah, we wanted to do
right by the by people who really understand that stuff. We didn't want,
like Dev said, like there's plenty of gags in this movie, but that
we did not want that to be a gag. Yeah, there's there's a
lot of easter eggs for the really well versed UFO Got Upologist and to the
general audience, they can still understand the film without knowing the references because it
tells itself. But we definitely wanted to pass the small test of people like
you seriously about this stuff and know know the history and know the cases,
and so I'm glad that. Well that's what impressed me is Yeah, that's
what that like. You know, that's a back bag on Zach's character.
But you know, uh, you know, Devin, Devin, your character
was definitely you know, uh who I who I was obviously drawn to.
And you know, just uh you you said you didn't you don't act much,
right, so you know, was this a challenge for you to be
on screen again and to bring a character to life that was going to I
mean, because if you blew it, you would have blown it, right.
Yeah, Yeah, I mean I had acted, I'd only acted in
short films, and you know, going back to college, I did study
a little bit of acting and had done some various classes after college out in
LA but I had never been on a shoot for more than a day as
an actor. And knowing that I was going to be in scenes or primarily
with someone like Chris Dubeck, who's such as seasoned veteran and like such a
pro, yeah I was. I think I was a little intimidated going in.
But you know, we quickly realized like we we really just kind of
of hit it off pretty quickly, and I was comfortable with him. But
a lot of it was just like understanding the process and that like we're we're
not running one hundred meters sprint, like this is a marathon, Like this
is gonna be over two weeks, and I think I really just tried to
observe how Zach and Brian and Chris went about it and try to try to
follow their leads, because you know, it was it was unfamiliar territory for
me in terms of stepping out, stepping up as a as an actor who's
doing more than than than one day or he really just one scene, uh,
because the side down, we're essentially one scene. So this was definitely
more than I had ever taken on. So well, I think you nailed
it, man, I think you did. I think you nailed it.
You're you're very authentic in nature and in just your your nature, so uh,
definitely definitely a credit to you. And Uh, Zach, God,
I hated your character, uh in a good way, in a good way.
Uh, You're you're such a pastor to me. I was just like,
I can't wait for this guy to figure out, uh, what's really
going on because you know he needs it. Uh. And you really,
you really brought that uh frustration uh to screen and you dialed it in man,
like you're giving me anxiety at one point. So how did you how
did you go about doing that? How did I get tapped into that?
Well? You know, honestly, it probably comes a lot from just being
growing up a middle child. Being very much a diplomat and a mediator is
socially familiarly on set as director. You know, I would say to Devn
like directing is a lot like politics, Like you are the face of a
thing. You're always moving forward, You're always putting a positive spin. You
can't ever dwell. You have to. You know that there's so much the
image of you know, everyone's looking to you, and you can't falter in
that. So, you know, in a way, weird way, I
think playing Dexter was a nice outlet to then as soon as you say action
become a little whiny little ship, you know, until we say cut and
then go back to you know, leading the thing. Yeah it was it
was, it was done. It was done really really well. And yeah,
yeah, so like I said, guys, I really I really love
this film and uh, I uh what what? Where can people find you
guys? On social media and stuff like that. I wish I was a
better poster. But you can find me at the Big Underscore Green, The
Big the Big Green, and uh I have a website teamsatgreen dot com where
you can see I've got the short that the Devin I did on there,
a couple of other projects and whatnot. Those are those are probably the best
spots to find me. Yeah, and so more so is more of your
work, folks, like on there for people to view? Is it on
YouTube? You know? There's a college project sequence. I'm kind of proud
of another kind of weird splattergore rock opera horror film that I made. I
love that it's on there. It's called Mooseman. It's about a moose monster,
all practical effects stuff. It's very silly and weird. You can watch
a piece of that on there. I do a lot of voiceover work.
You links to my voiceover demos and you can hear the you know, wacky
weird voices I do. I think some of my stand ups on there.
Yeah, just to anything that it feels like you know, Hey, if
you want to check out my stuff, it's represented on some level at Teamsatgreen
dot com. Awesome, awesome, awesome, awesome and uh Devin, Devin
uh Man. Where could people find uh find more of you? Uh?
My handle across social media is at hey, uncle Dev, and it's mostly
you know these days foil and uh a lot of golf, a lot of
golf stuff. I'm kind of a golf nut, so uh be prepared for
that. Yeah, well you guys, yeah yeah, at foil movie and
foilmovie dot com. It's out now on on Amazon Prime and uh and Apple
TV. Mm hmm awesome. And like I said, personally, I can't
recommend it enough. I I I I was blown away, uh with you
know, because I wasn't. It's not it's not to your It's again,
this is not speaking to your filmmaking or your experience. But I went into
it not expecting much and I came out of it like, I am so
happy that I watched that because it was really fun, it was upbeat,
but it also, uh you know, had those nods for the UFO people
like me and the people who take it seriously. So I think you guys
did a wonderful job of blending those two two worlds, uh, the comedic
and the you know, actual, the actual UFO history. And you know,
I just absolutely uh I give it. So what I do is I
give it a score. I literally have a sheet that I do. And
you guys, I think hit uh seven point eight out of ten, so
uh, you know, which is a really high score for me. Uh,
really really high. Avengers endgame. Uh, I think only had like
a nine point one, so uh, don't worry. Uh seven point is
a great, great score. Uh you guys, Yeah, no, you
guys did great. Uh. And I am personally going to recommend this to,
like I said, everybody, uh and and and really really would love
to help get this scene by more people. Uh it's out right now,
like I said, Uh, anyone who has an iPhone, you get like
a year of Apple TV for free, and uh you know it's oh it's
not on there. You you have to purchase it right now, right you
can rent it or buy it throughout okay prime, Yeah, okay, all
right, yeah, so right now it's rentable and then it will probably end
up on a streaming service. But yeah, so head over there. I
did support them, and uh support everything they're doing, guys, because it
is absolutely tremendous. Thank you gentlemen for being here. Thanks, this was
awesome. Man. Like I said, reach out to me, you know,
stick around after the credits roll and uh we'll talk for a second.
But I would love to uh uh you know, uh have you back on
for future projects, uh, especially if they're genres you know related. Would
love to thank you. Yeah, all right, all right, time set
a baby and the Times second and yeah,
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