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Back. Welcome back to total disclosure. Everybody. This is our new weekly
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But but what we're here for tonight is a new show, and I'm
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no bias, no no one side of the other. We need more
of that, and that is what I'm gonna set out to do. And
I'm gonna do that by bringing on guests for certain segments, uh, but
mostly I'm gonna be doing the show alone, guys, uh, and it's
just gonna be me uh and kind of going through the biggest stories uh and
and kind of uh flushing things out uh and and engaging with you uh,
the audience, because I feel like, uh with TDP lately, we've been
lacking in that area. Uh. So it's gonna be really fun to see
where this thing can go. Hopefully eventually we can do some call ins uh,
but to sky is the limit. Tonight we have probably the biggest show.
It's funny because we're coming out of the gate with like probably the biggest
show uh that I've done in a while. Uh. We have so much
to talk about tonight, uh, including some weird stories from around the community.
We're gonna start it with that, but before that, I want to
bring in the new producer of Need to Know, with Ross coltheart and Bryce,
mother, Zabel baby Castal. Congratulations, Yo, what's up time?
I appreciate it, dude. Yeah, sighting man, it's pretty cool,
pretty cool. You you've you've just you've you've become everything that you you you
you were you meant to be. Uh and and you're just beginning that path.
Man. You you only contribute positivity to to the to the community,
to to everybody around you. And you you very much earned this with not
just that but your quality of work as well. Appreciate it, yeah,
man. And it all started, it all started really in Roswell with just
me meeting Bryce and networking my way onto you know, opportunities and you know,
collaborating with people like yourself and you know others. So it's been it's
been real enjoyment to to just work with a lot of more people. Yeah.
And and you said so you said that happened just by So that's like,
ladies and gentlemen, I just want to say that is what happens when
you network, is you you gain these these opportunities that you wouldn't if if
you if you had just sat silent. So next time you're thinking of not
walking over to someone and introducing yourself, I think, don't don't, don't
think about it, walk over, introduce yourself fairly, shake their hand and
say you're the best. You know, I'm the best decision that you you
know, whatever, do the time anything, Who cares. I just said,
hey, I love your podcast. Do you need any help? And
he was like yes, absolutely, He's like, actually yeah, but so
now so does the British Lady now say produced by not yet? No,
that's that was just that that's just like an intro sound clip. But yeah,
I've got I've got to get like a new one, you know.
Like so I have a lot of I had a lot of you know,
sort of creative freedom to be able to make some more clips and add some
uh, you know, different aspects of the show that might just improve it.
I'm not trying to change it at all, for sure. I'm just
trying to like first fill in and you know, make sure that it goes
as smoothly as it was before, and then maybe I can sort of add
a little bit more in terms of graphic design and video production to it as
it goes. Yeah, because I think the It's not that I'm not like
cropping on the producer, but I think it was very It was a very
basically edited show. If I'm not wrong, it looked like they were editing
on iMovie. Yeah yeah, yeah, So I mean I edit with Adobe
and and film RAA. So you know, I mean, like we shouldn't
you know, we're using these tools. They shouldn't be using eyemovie. But
guys, we get our first segment of the night and that is ange stories
from around the community. Now, so what we found was that it was
gonna be really fun. And you know, a lot of the topics that
we cover here on uh these kind of shows, they can be very heavy.
And I figured that we would start the show with a couple weird news
stories, anomalous sightings and some stuff that's been just happened recently. And I
did get both of these from coast to coast. So for the first one,
it was April twenty ninth, twenty twenty four. An Argentinian sailor was
left feeling perplexed after a peculiar blinding illumination is seen emanating Argentina's prominent La La
La hotel, recently the lavish resort where he was recently hosted Argentine President Javier
Mila. Sorry if I'm getting these names wrong. The sailor is no stranger
to those waters, and claims this was an eerie site with no logical explanation
as the sun was covered by a cloud. Now it's kind of weird because
when I was filming, because we have the video of the sighting when and
my girlfriend is somewhere here, I'm sure watching, and she can confirm that
what we were filming our remote So this ad patri terribles. So you can
see, I'm on a lake and I we had a very we had a
very similar situation. I'm gonna get to it, but I want to finish
this. So the president of recently stayed there and the sighting occurred right around
that same time. Coincidence or not, I don't know, of course.
You know, he alleges that the light could be viewed from various angles,
its intensity was very impressive, and that there's no part of the hotel that
could account for the anomalous light i e. Refraction or you know, prosaic
ex nations, leading him to believe uh and to suggest that the event was
a true anomalous phenomena. And the videos right here, guys, and I
mean listen, it's an orb. Right, it's an orb, and it's
it's an it's a ball of light, right, and it's one guy's story.
But the reason I picked this one is because, again Jess, I
know she can back me up on this. She was there, I took
We were filming that Dentia herbals Ad and from across the lake, I saw
a blinding ORB. I kid, you not looked exactly the same as the
one you just saw. And I have video of it. I took seven
minutes, several minutes of video of this thing. And guess what, ty
guess when we went back to review the footage, only one second was remained.
All of it was gone from my phone. And she was there.
She watched me hit record and I was talking during it. I you know
me, I was, I was filming an ad, I had all my
cameras with me. I all of a sudden, this dude, this light
was so bright that when you looked at it, my tears were coming down
my eyes and she saw them. And she was looking at this thing right
there with me, and she was like, this thing like it had Nope,
it was in the middle of the woods. It was in the and
so I have video that one second of video I'm about to show you.
That's it. Damn you. You probably blinked and missed it. That's how
quick now I am. So I'm I'm only playing it again because I need
everyone to see it that I took seven to eight minutes a video of this
thing, and that's all that we reviewed the footage. All the other footage
was there, but that footage specifically of that orb through the tree line across
the lake. I only had one second. So now all I have is
a story and is in my word right. And it's like the phenomena plays
tricks on us, Yeah, and it messes with us. So the next
one is the flying humanoid. This one's even crazier, guys. So on
May one, twenty twenty four, in Turkey, a shepherd looked up at
the sky and shout out to Jess because she she put these blurves together there
for me because I was working on the other topics. And as a shepherd
looked up at the sky and saw what appeared to be a flying humanoid while
his sheep were grazing in the pasture. He managed to capture this on camera,
exclaiming that this anomaly resembled a dark figure with fully form limbs. We
have the video right. The shepherd was able to follow the body in the
air for about a minute before it disappeared from his view. He claims he
was excited to see this object and it should be investigated. Could this have
been logically explained or is it simply just fucking otherworldly? You've got to be
the would you see him? What do you guys get us? A hedge
on London would just mean some lot of in Yeah, I don't know about
that one. Man. I don't know, man, I don't know.
What do you think? Initially it looks like a balloon, but then it
doesn't like really shift at all if it was very because it looks like it's
traveling a little bit. So I feel like a balloon would be shifting and
you'd be able to like have it. And it almost like it could coordinate.
It rotated just for like it shifted its rotation and then it just kept
on its path. So it's interesting. Yeah, yeah, no, definitely
definitely some weird stories from across across the spectrum. But so you're here tonight
for for for the story. Uh and and it's a heavy one. It's
it's dude, this could be the the the not only the key to disclosure,
but really something that breaks the camel's back, the straw that breaks the
camel's back. So we'll be right back. So the Fugal feud, the
Fugal Arrow meeting that we all know about now, Ty Astro, can you
talk to me about what is going on in what I took a little a
couple of weeks break and from everything. Uh this this means, you know,
because I I wrapped filming for Dudley Road, I took a couple I
needed a break. I was wearing myself way too thin. What is going
on here? Because I know there were hints of this meeting at Arrow between
Fugle and Arrow, but all of a sudden, the story's now blown up.
Yeah, and I think it's going on. A lot of it I
think is because of the involvement of Kirkpatrick and the question of his capacity at
which he was at the meeting, And so what we're kind of sifting through
right now as a community is you know what was said at that meeting,
Because there's been some recent interviews with Brandon Fugel and also Shawn Kirkpatrick, and
they both point to this sort of meeting that occurred, and I think there's
a lot of confusion and a lot of different different accounts of what was taking
place at that meeting, and so, you know, just to kind of
set it so, I have not been really that critical of Sean Kirkpatrick because
I just think that his scientific approach to it and the gathering of the data
is one aspect that we need. However, on the other side, with
the whistleblowers, I think there's been a lot more controversy in what the whistleblowers
have been coming forward and saying. And then also is Kirkpatrick's opinions in his
involvement in UFOs before he got to Arrow. So this is the first time
where it's actually addressed where Kirkpatrick was, according to Brandon Fugel involved in UFOs
and the big statement for me the thing and man, this is just it's
like a chink in an armor and that this could, like you were saying,
this could blow the whole thing wide open. And because according to Fugal,
Kirkpatrick stood up that Fugl was there to give a presentation about Skinwalker Ranch
and according to Fugle, during that presentation, right when it got started.
Somebody stood up and they said, if you're going to talk about the UFO
phenomenon, you don't need to do that because everybody in this room acknowledges it
as being real. Steve green Street says that his sources say that Kirkpatrick was
the one who said that. So if we have evidence of Kirkpatrick saying that,
to me, he's it just debunks his whole a lot of arrow and
a lot of what he's been saying where there's no evidence. He hasn't been
interested in this. It's a nothing burger. And so I think this is
the first time where people have actual evidence. And so Fugle shared the picture
when Kirkpatrick had his interview a couple of days later, which was a couple
of days ago, Fugel shared a couple of pictures of Kirkpatrick at the meeting,
and so you could see that, you know, there's a presentation being
given. There's figures like how put off Kit green were there? Fugle And
so the one thing that I was sort of you know, getting to Brandon
Fugel about was he mentioned a video, the full video of the meeting,
and so I think, what what what I'd still like to see is the
release of that video because it would show because to me, the picture doesn't
show show the capacity at which Kirkpatrick was actually there. So we don't know
that Kirkpatrick was interested in UFOs. We just know that he was there.
And if you listen to Kirkpatrick's interview, he acknowledges that he was there.
He said, yeah, I was there at a meeting. But it was
for like a continuation of a tip and aset, which makes sense to me
because a tip basically was ended around like twenty twelve, and so to me,
a tip was under Bigelow, how put Off ended up facilitating the sale
of Skinwalker Ranch to Brandon Fugel. So to me, if we're looking at
twenty eighteen, this was probably a pitch to have a continuation of the program
of some of like a program like ConA Blue which got denied, but down
the road of this another program to skinwalk a Ranch. So I would imagine
Fugel had a he was like, Okay, I've got Skinwalker Ranch. Now
I've got all this new equipment. Maybe we can go back and have you
know, a little bit of assistance in a program that actually looks at this
again, and I think this was that pitch to basically show these guys that,
like, there's some stuff taking place. And so I think on the
other side of the table, they probably brought in Kirkpatrick to be like,
hey, man, like you are very familiar with like Chinese tech and uh,
you know stuff that's going on that's maybe that you've looked at in the
skies with in terms of drones. Maybe you can sit in on this meeting
and see. What I think is disputed is that Kirkpatrick wanted to sit in
the meeting, he knew about UFOs, he was coming to debunk it.
All that is not clear with just those pictures. I think if the video
were released, that would be the smoking gun to discard Arrow, to discard
Kirkpatrick, because if he stands up in that meeting and he says, hold
on, guys, all of this is real, we acknowledge it. That's
that's it, right, you know what I'm saying. So this dude has
been on a rampage lately, going on various media saying that there's nothing to
this essentially be you know, uh, backing himself into a Project blue Book
two point zero corner. And if there's a if if if if in a
meeting, this dude stood up and said, listen, you don't need to
convince us that UFOs exist, we already know they do, then this guy
is ousted and Arrow is ousted, which means the d O D is ousted,
which means the Pentagon is ousted, which means the White House is ousted.
That if this video surfaces, it could lead to that that watershed moment.
This is important and Brandon has a as an obligation in my and I'm
not calling on Brandon to do anything illegal, I'm not, but I'm saying
that if if he wants his show and and all of his research to be
taken seriously, then he needs to show the community that that his that his
word can be taken at value, because if it wasn't said, and it's
just gonna be he said, she said this this whole game, then then
then everybody and everybody is gonna throw the baby out with the bathwater, because
that's plausible deniability. It's just another story. Yeah. And I think one
of the things too that frustrated me is like UFO Twitter's like spiking the ball
like a touchdown dance, like they've like everything is done now and uh you
know Kirkpatrick's a liar and did da da uh? Well he I think probably
lied a little bit. But to me, the big reveal would be that
video. And I and I even suggested, like, you don't even have
to release the whole video. Just crop out Kirkpatrick, just that part in
that ten second part and release that because I think Fuel didn't want and doesn't
want to put the other people in the meeting out there like that, So
just clip that part and then show that part of Kirkpatrick saying this stuff.
And so that's that's what I think. That's why I was kind of pressing
him publicly on Twitter. I was like, dude, like just release the
video like that would do so much more. And I think people are like,
well, we don't need the video and you know we've already seen he's
a liar, and I just don't think that's like we're not going to be
talking about this. These pictures next week because they're not that they're not that
powerful to me. To me, they are. I think I think this
story is among one of the most powerful because it has the the because because
of the stance and the formidable for I don't know if this is a word.
How formidable Kirkpatrick has been uh saying and and and and trying to convince
the general population that there is nothing to this that they have no found,
they found no evidence of anything of relevance. But I do want to get
your take on something else, the Grush emails with Arrow, because there seems
to be a lot of communication issues with Arrow. Yeah, so in terms
of when Arrow was reaching out to Grush and he was sort of saying they
weren't Yeah, yeah, I mean there's that's the year the last year.
I think that's been one of the most confusing parts is what Grush has been
saying about communication from Arrow, and then Arrow's basically come out. They've even
released like signal chats. So they released the signal chats where they were reaching
out to Grush on multiple occasions, and I think what I'm not sure ex
eactly what's what Grush has said in terms of the exact reason why, uh
he wasn't able to respond. But there was even like a I believe a
meeting that was set up with Jillibrand that he was supposed to just show up
at and he didn't show up, and then On the other side, I
think Grush was looking at it like they don't have access. Grush seems to
believe that they the Arrow just doesn't have the access to claims, so why
why go so why go through and have the historical report say it's all bullshit?
Right? So again, in a sense, it's that kind of being
like, you know you don't need because I mean he did in some of
his email and the one email that and you can see his response or he's
saying, until you answer my questions, you know, I'm not I'm not
meeting. So he clearly wanted some type of information that they weren't giving.
And it seems from there that the relationship just kind of either crumbled or you
know, Grush lost faith in the entire ARROW system, much like everybody else.
Yeah, and you can see just from like the whistleblowers now they're not
going to Arrow. I was a co host in the Twitter space where Jason
Sands came out and so yeah, and just on Reddit today there was another
quote unquote whistleblower who revealed a lot of it was an anonymous account. So
it's not really I don't know how credible it would be because nothing was really
revealed in terms of identity or programs, I think, but you know,
they're looking for ways. Some of these guys want to come out and come
public, and they're not willing to just wait around for Control disclosure to kind
of figure it out for them. They're really and I think it's valuable to
be able to directly communicate with the community and the community dig into some of
these claims and just waiting for other people higher ups, you know, to
sort of tell us what's going on that I think We've got a huge group
of great researchers and people to look into this. Yeah, And that's what
I've been saying lately is I think that the disclosure might actually come from civilian
scientists and researchers before it comes from any government official. And I truly think
that that that that very well could be the case now with Arrow and this
meeting in particular with Skinwalker Rant owner Brandon Fugel, is the tape classified,
No, And it's not. It wasn't Arrow that he met. He met
with. It was a group of staffers unt if they were with the d
O D. But it wasn't Arrow hadn't been formed yet. This was this
was sort of before Arrow. This was before the few years before the UAP
Task Force was formed. So this was so this isn't like the Jay Stratton
days. This is after so a tip in twenty twelve, ASAP a tip
it was known to like end around that time. And in my opinion,
what was happening in those like six keys to what you were saying, they
were trying to pitch. They're trying to pitch these new programs because they didn't
get like OSTAP and a tip, didn't get what weren't getting funded anymore.
So they were probably like, Okay, they've sort of maybe exhausted what what
they wanted or got from Skinwalker Ranch. And that's why I think Bigelow was
in part selling the ranch. So in that in that you know couple of
years was the sale of the ranch to Fugl And so now Fugl's got the
ranch and he's how put Off is probably all involved in like hey man,
there's probably still some life in there, like you could probably pitch the program
again, pitch the the ranch. You've got all of this new money coming
in, you want to really study it in terms of collecting data. And
I think that that was in twenty eighteen, a pitch to to sort of
be like, hey, come back here, this could be part of another
program to study the phenomenon we've you know, even a slide was up there
with like unidentified objects that were that were pictured. So I think that a
lot of it has played out. And then the UAP Task Force came.
Travis Taylor was head of the ua hits lead scientists of u AP Task Force.
So there's a lot of connections in there, you know, right right,
And Travis Taylor, you know, plays a huge role, and and
and so doesn't Jay Stratton and and and you know with with Skinwalker Rant and
and this, why do you think the government is is so so heavily interested
in Skinwalker Rant specifically, I don't think they are anymore just because the no
program has been funded. Again, I think that Fugle this is just my
personal opinion. I have no idea. And this would be great to get
to ask fugl Is, like, Okay, you went into the meeting.
What type of meeting was Was this like a pitch to get a program?
And then because it wasn't funded, did he just start the show instead?
Like I've got on gathering all this data. I'm doing all this stuff,
I can't get funding from the government. Maybe I'll just make this into a
show and then kind of release what I find during this publicly, you know,
sort of that in that in that way, I don't I don't think.
I think a lot of the appeal and interest in Skinwalker ranches from the
public and the community. But I'm not sure so much of the government,
although I'm sure that they're still keeping their tabs on it, you know.
Hence like the eminent the eminent domain. Remember in the uap DA, Fugle
and Taylor publicly came out and said, I'm not We're not going to support
this. We don't want the government coming into Skinwalker and just grabbing stuff.
So that's another motivation for it too. Maybe he doesn't even want it.
Yeah, Well, I think a lot of people were against eminent domain,
even people like Jacques Filet, who you know, stood up at Saul conference
and said, you know, like does like where does it stop? Where?
Where would that stop? Could the government just walk into his house and
take the materials that he has and has had for years. And I think
that that eminent domain is really what what failed this. The the passing of
that act, but I mean, do you see any hope for it in
the future. I think one of the eminent domain Well, I think one
of the things that the community and activists wanted the most was that presidential panel,
like the panel that can review a lot of these cases. Yeah,
the review board. So I think that if if that's included, that would
be really big. And then untilmain, you know, I'm not really sure
about the reach that would do or how that would affect other people. I'm
sure a lot of people like Valet and Fugal that have maybe some of these
materials, but again, like we want to see that, you know,
like if they're not, they're not really even releasing it publicly. So it's
kind of frustrating. And it's like these guys have it, they're just not
even releasing it still. They're scared that someone's gonna come take it. It's
like, well, we don't even know anything as the public, right,
so right, and kind of just leaves us in the dark. And and
and they wonder why we speculate, Right, It's like they wonder, why
how you fucking speculates because we're in the dark. Gun everything Jesus my god.
But listen, I want to get you were there the night that Jason's
So, you were there the night that Sands come out? Sure, and
I want to talk to you about it. Do you think you did a
great job? By the way, hosting that I will say was not expected?
Bro like it. Yeah, And this topic is unexpected. I don't
even think I was gonna bring it up, but I want to bring it
up because I don't know when the next time you'll be able to be on
the show is. So you were on that panel, I mean you were
you you hosted that that that that Twitter spaces. Do you what what?
What did you take away from his testimony? Do you think he's legit?
And do you think any connotation with this twenty and back program, even though
he has clarified since then about what he was referring to, do you think
any connotation towards that twenty and back program? Uh, and the baggage that
it holds will damper this this man's endeavors. I think initially it has because
it was brought up a few times and he answered it. But you know,
for the space itself, like it was so spontaneous of him coming up
that it was just weird in the space that he decided to show up at
because everybody was just kind of bullshitting. One of the things though, is
people were kind of like speculating on what he was. Like nobody knew Jason
Sands really was, and so we were just discussing on like, oh,
in the James Fox documentary, like I wonder what this whistleblower is going to
say? And like there were a little bit of spaces and some podcasts that
sort of like we're mentioning him and then getting kind of shut down media wise.
Spaced Out Radio was one, and so like people were starting to speculate
and talk about him, and I think he just got to where a point
where like, imagine you being in a space and everybody's like talking shit about
you, and like you'd want to come up and be like listen, guys,
like you guys got it all wrong. I think he wanted to do
that quickly, and then it turned into this historic space because really, you
know, somebody just asked questions like wait, are you the whistleblower from James
Fox documentary And he's like yeah, and everybody's like wait what wait what,
And so then I had to be like screw it. Okay, uh host
mode because I was I was co hosting the space. So I went from
like wanting to ask questions to like managing the room. And it got where
there was like five hundred or so, you know, there's like a thousand
people in the room. Thirty requests were going on, you know, so
like managing. Yeah, and you did a great job of getting people and
their questions in and and and and yeah, man, what a I like?
And it's obviously like obviously the just that space was not recorded, like
of course that night, that one time, it's not recorded and there's no
playback on it. And it was on four twenty. Uh, and you
know, I just like the stars aligned, I guess for mister Sands,
because he just he just came out and just fucking blew everyone's minds. Uh
but I I I but just imagine, bro imagine it like you've been on
spaces now, imagine that you're the focus of six hours and you've never been
on a Twitter space before ever up speaking, and all of a sudden you're
just thrusted and you're in Everything that you say is now under a microscope.
And so he said a few things the twenty and back I kind of forget
the other ones that were controversial, but that's one of the main ones.
And I think that, like the community just like secrets discounting in general.
Yeah, just discounting everything that he said, because he answered in a way
where, you know, he acknowledged that like he was part of some program,
and then it kind of got associated with this twenty and bat Corey Good
program, which he's come out and sort of clarified this, like that's not
really what he was talking about. So I think most of the community now
the bigger picture that I see from this is that now the community has had
experience directly asking questions and some tough questions to whistleblowers and then us being able
to research and flush out that information. And what I think frustrated some people
higher up, like James Fox, maybe Leslie Keene, Chris Mellen controlled disclosure
folks, was that he did that was that he came out on a space
and that he was supposed to just chill until James Fox documentary, and then
instead he came out and basically said more probably than we're going to hear in
the James Fox documentary, including his personal experience with those with the Blue Aliens.
So it's kind of like, well, so that is So that's what
I wanted to talk to you about because there's been a lot of confusion about
that aspect because again it was not recorded and is it You can't find it,
So can you do me one favor and recount and to your best ability,
recount his story about the blue alien And I think to I know,
he said that in the space, like he texted James Fox, and James
Fox, you know, there's nothing really James can do about it, you
know, uh, appending an NDA, which I I doubt that the NDA
went as as far as you can't tell your story ever to anybody. It
just wouldn't work that way. And I I definitely think that then, like
you said, the controlled the disclosure people like James, you know, especially
James, because he has a lot of vested interest in you know, uh
in this, uh as well as Leslie. Uh my season finale guest.
Oh my god, I can't believe. I just is it Ralph Bloometal,
No, I cannot believe I just did that. So my season finale guest
is Danny Shan and yeah, uh yeah, yeah, I just I can't
believe forgot his name. Uh, I'm gonna edit that out, definitely.
Oh shit, this is alive. Forgot jokes on me, but uh yeah,
So I'm definitely gonna talk to to uh mister Shean about it. But
can you tell me the story about the blue alien because I couldn't get that.
Yeah, And I think that to me, I think the James thought
it's sort of split up into two different things. His experience and knowledge of
the program, this like crash retrieval secret program, and then what separate from
his experience with these extraterrestrials or non human intelligence. So I think a lot
of James Fox documentary to me will probably be focused on his involvement in that
program of basically like gathering information about these crash retrievals within it, and less
about like he's an experiencer. That's just my opinion. For the experience,
he was given direction from some authority to go on this trip, and he
was given specific directions not to go to this certain place, to go buy
this certain area, and him and I believe he was with one other or
two other people went to this place. They were like a you know,
like when somebody tells you don't to go there, do you get like yeah,
So they go there and all of a sudden there's this blue, non
human like alien and they ask him like, can they have a part?
Like they're looking for this part. Uh, they need to fix their ship,
I believe is the story. It's a little bit hazy for his exact
for exactly what he said, but you know, I can share to his
account of it. But basically, they were looking for this part and he
was like, well, you know, you probably need to go over to
area fifty one and and and talk with those guys. And the alien said,
no, they we can't go there. They they they hurt, they
hurt aliens or something like that. It's something to that effect. And so
that was sort of like their exchange for everybody. Yep, no, yeah,
it's it's not it's not fresh in my memory, but that was kind
of like the gist of what happened. He he they sell a physical being.
The being needed help with repairing their ship, which is weird that they
would like come ask us. It's like what are we to do? Like,
yeah, they're let me get my transistors out and hold on, Yeah,
got my alien to screw driver. But the alien or the area fifty
one. Thing it comment is is interesting when they're like, no, we
ain't going over to area fifty one, Like that's dangerous for us. Were
they to area fifty one where that would be like a point they place out,
point out. I'm not sure. Yeah, that's a that's an interesting
aspect, you know, was he was he out in the desert? You
know it went somewhere in the desert where you shouldn't go, ye you know.
Uh, and no, I'm just saying again speculation, but you know
it is what it is. But yeah, man, I just I I
I can't be I can't be more congratulatory towards towards you and and you know
what you're what you're going to achieve with need to know. Yeah, I'm
excited. I'm so excited to see what you what you do, what you
do with the show and and and how you progress it and how each episode
gets better and and with your help, I know it will. So I
mean, feel free to stick around for the rest of the show, man,
but we're gonna uh we're gonna cover some stuff here. So there are
so did you hear if you are going to stick around? Uh, well,
I'll stick around for a little bit for like ten or fifteen minutes if
that's cool. Yeah, yeah, all right, cool, all right,
so we'll be right back guys. Yeah, all right. So Michael Herrera
came on the podcast, and actually, you know what, let's go with
the directed energy weapons because you're here and the Michael Hurt I think I think
I do that part alone just because, but I want to play a quick
video, two quick videos, and then we're going to talk because it has
to do with you, and it makes more sense because it has to do
with Ross Coldert and direct energy weapons not too long back where he actually speculated
that the United States and other nations may have directed energy weapons. Now,
can you comment, does the US have secret dee W weaponry and is any
of that positioned on satellites in space? No, I can't comment with regard
to US force capabilities. Ross, I'm sure you can in your viewers can
understand why. But with regard to the capabilities that we have, it's very
important that we have a full range and a full complement of capabilities to deal
with any adversarial actions as they might unfold. If we did have directed energy
weapons in space, would that be a breach of the Art of Space Treaty.
Again, I can't comment with regard to what we do. I know
that the United States has been very diligent in complying with its treaty obligations.
Right. So one of the other things that when I was doing my research
was pointed out to me there was some indignance from commentators that there might be
a position taken by the US that it's wrong for nations to test anti satellite
weaponry because the grim reality isn't it is that if we do end up having
a nuclear confrontation, a thermonuclear war, isn't the most easy way of knocking
out potential adversaries ICBMs to use an electromagnetic pulse weapon in orbit, And hasn't
the US tested such a whipon right back to the nineteen fifties, eventuating in
the Staffish Prime tests that took place out of Johnson Etto in the nineteen sixties.
Well, again, ross with regard to US compliance with its own treaties,
I think we have a superb record. I wasn't even born in the
nineteen fifties, so going back that far, but I would tell you that
you know, the US takes its treaty obligations very seriously and has promoted the
peaceful use of space for decades and it's a responsibility of all space faring nations
to do the same. But can I just so that was a it wasn't
a UFO interview, But Ross is talking to someone about the satellite systems and
are our vulnerabilities basically? And then and then he's here, correct, he's
a very covert weapons. That's correct, entry your exit moment. How they're
designed is to make the target feel like they're crazy with their imaginement. And
you guys also said that these attacks are happening right here in this city.
Is that correct? I mean there have been some that have gone public with
respect to Washington d C. I think it was mister mister Rose said,
you spoke to a Russian agent who said that they knew the Americans and using
the same weapons on them. Is that correct? Correct? Like that have
something to do with part of the CIA's motive to cover up the existence of
the attacking his weapons, and it was a very logical. Yis Thank you,
mister chairman, Thank you to our witnesses for being here. Corect SO
grows up. I'm going to follow up a little bit on the interactions you've
had with Russian intelligence about these ahis, and mister Zad, I want to
ask this is a hypothetical, but I'm trying to understand why our government would
try to block information sharing or conceal information that they have. And one thing
that comes to mind is whether there's an operational risk to revealing any of the
of the details of their investigations. Is that something that you have come across
in any of your work. There's a lot of reasons why the information might
not be publicly released, and I do think that's something we could address more
on a question of environment to explore that. But there are understandable reasons why
the US government has not revealed much of what it knows. There's some long
term things that need to be done in terms of new acts, but then
the short term we need to do things like implement the original Havana view D
still hasn't done. They still have not implemented the Havana and we need a
VIA diagnostic Thanks to the VFW brothers and sisters that are here today and for
your meeting earlier, we don't have a VA diagnostic code for the five hundred
sum d of e sports. How are they going to get long term care
and disability without that? Well, I hope this issue you see in a
room that is often contentious, explosive volcanic that you've got members on both sides
who first honor and salute the victims and want to do everything we can to
make sure the third med whole and if they can return, can return,
and of course, as the victims have wanted to do, make sure do
everything possible to prevent anyone else from suffering animals. And you're so damn the
government admitted not only direct energy weapon existence, but the Havanah syndrome on the
public, man on the on the hold on, where's my that's not it?
There? It is there. It is on the public man on the
public like what and and and you know you can see in the demeanor of
the video with roths that this official gets very obviously he goes into like the
grush mode is what I call it now? Is the uh, I can't
reveal that under these circumstances. And I think we all know that these direct
energy weapons exist. And what's your take on on the existence of these things?
And I mean I just did a podcast with Eric Hecker. I know
he's a very controversial figure in the in the community, but I felt the
need to to at least give him is is time to speak. So what
do you what do you think about directed energy weapons? The use of them?
And you know, now this this admittance that they exist. Yeah,
no, the second clip is really scary, man. It's it's a concerning
dude, especially at one point he says, there's no entry or exit wound.
The target is made to feel like they're going crazy, and that's done
remotely. You don't you don't even have to be in the same room.
You know. The capabilities that they're talking about, they're not supposed to exist.
To to the to the to the public. The public would have would
have no idea such things exist and what capabilities that those that the implications that
that such technology, the keys that it could hold. So what are your
what are your thoughts on the direct energy weapons? Well with so with the
Ross Colhart clip, Uh, it makes me think about a lot about the
evolvement of the interactions that physical UFOs and extraterrestrials have have taken with us as
our technology and our weapons develop. So if we're now it's where we're able
to use these direct energy weapons on satellites and we're testing them. I wouldn't
figure there would be any activity from these extraterrestrials because they've they've realized, look,
we can't even get close to this planet. Guys, they're going to
just they've got technology all over the place. They're just going to shoot us
down. While you know, fifty years ago, all these crashes, you
know, there's a lot more crashes, crash retrievals, you know, stuff
that we have physically were able to gather and take back and study. Where
now they're not even getting close. They're like, you know that we didn't
have the capability to shoot them down. Now we've got these directed energy weapons.
Is technology that for in my opinion, it's probably you know, forty
years thirty or forty years ahead of what we have access to. You know,
like they've had AI. They probably had chat GBT like twenty years ago.
Oh yeah, DARPA, DARPA Chat GBT one probably in nineteen ninety two.
Yeah, but it's part of a chat GBT three. Yeah. Right,
So I just think about the our development technologically and how it affects now
non human intelligence, extraterrestrials, whatever's out there in interacting with us. Now
they see that like we're actually really a threat, like we have the ability
to like take them down it you know, it kind of affect their ships
or whatever their technology is. And so it might that might be a reason
if you look at the lack of data and evidence that we've had from Arrow
and Kirkpatrick's like, oh, there's no ets that that might be part of
the reason. Why is they're just not physically flying around anymore because they can't
they'll get shot down. Right. But Elon Musk, you know, Elon
Musk has there's been a lot of Elon Musk. Did you see where Ross
Colhart talked about Elon Musk has been read into the programs. So it's sort
of like Elon Musk has publicly come out and been like, uh, you
know, I don't have anything. But then you have Ross Colhart saying that
he has, he does know, and he's read in and basically probably the
access that he's had to be able to launch all these Startlink satellites is because
he's not saying anything, he's not showing the videos because if their last launch,
you could see video feed and they're switching from camera to camera and it's
like four KHD and you're like, oh man, if they see something,
it's definitely going to be captured, right right, And what's gonna happen when
when commercialized space becomes a legitimate thing and you know, uh, elon Is
is sending people up with these the you know, uh, you're right,
it's we're we're coming to this this this pin pin head And I I really,
I really I can feel us teetering on the edge of a paradigm shift
or this point of point of contact when wink when wink uh inside joke,
but this this moment, and I don't know what it's gonna be, but
I truly do think that that that the the brand and fugal that video,
if it could be really and israeleased, I think would be a huge,
huge win for the community and for everybody who's fought for disclosure, past,
present and future. Yeah, all the whistleblowers, all the people that have
come in and been witnesses, right, like people who have come forward to
Congress already with the congressional hearings with Grush, Fravor and Graves, you know,
all you know, everybody that's that's come forward in the past couple of
years and even back to twenty seventeen, all of you know, all of
this would be would gain a lot more credibility if the main person opposing it
was just you know, was bullshitting this whole time, and he's he's actually
acknowledged the reality of the UFO phenomenon years ago before he even took the job
at Arrow. I think that would just throw a total wrench in everything,
and that would be the biggest to me, that would be the biggest win
for disclosure so far. Yeah, and the skeptics who have used Kirkpatrick as
a kind of a a like they ride his wavetail, is his wake with
whatever he says, right, because he's a scientist, he's this, he's
the he's credible, he's the you know, he's was tasked with figuring this
out, got all the access as he needed. So it would really really,
you know, make the the skeptics and the debunkers, uh, kind
of take a step back and maybe maybe reevaluate some of some of what they
thought was the truth. And and uh, I think, you know,
like I've said in the past, where we're we're we're taught to believe that
there's either black or there's white. It's not only until you get into this
where you find that there's so much gray and astrol Thank you for being here
tonight, man, Thank you man. Appreciate the invite. Always a pleasure,
dude. Yeah, where can people continue the conversation with you? Where
can they? Uh, what's going on in your life? Yeah, I'll
just throw out a couple of projects that I'm working with. Obviously need to
know. I just came on as a producer. I'm super excited to just
go forward with those Just being in the room with those guys while they're talking
is humbling. It's It's incredible. I'm also working on a project called the
Echo Project with my good friend Jared, who we're building and we've built tech
sets, which is basically measurement devices and technology that that experiencers can wear when
they go out to make contact and do CE five and heist. So we're
sending out tech X, We're looking tech sets, and we're looking for experiencers
that have this type of phenomenon to reach out to us. That's Echo dash
project dot org. If you want to learn some more information, I'm also
doing you know, still doing Twitter spaces. I feel like just from some
of the contacts that I have that there's going to be some funding opportunities coming
up for content creators, filmmakers, space hosts, podcast I think that one
of the things that that's been sorely lacking is funding within the community. So
basically it's only been big, a low and fugel. But I think people
are coming in and they're seeing, you know, either from the crypto communities
or other communities that you know, this is a very interesting field. They
just need help to get real research done because a lot of people have nine
to five, they don't have that availability to put in the time to really
dig into this topic and do real research. So I think funding opportunities are
going to come. I'm always hosting spaces, getting the discussion going on Twitter.
You can find me my Twitter handle at the underscore Astral Underscore, and
I'm hosting remote viewing spaces, always doing some psychic stuff and psychic project.
So I love what you do, man, I love what you do.
And uh, we are so looking forward to the next time that we get
to talk, and uh, you know, one of these days we're going
to meet up man, and uh, it's gonna be it's gonna be a
rip brower on time. And we just want to say thank you for being
here tonight. Brother. All right. So with that being said, guys,
on to the next h all right, guys. Recently I had whistleblower
Michael Herrera on the podcast. He told a story, uh his experience uh
in Indonesia with the Marine Corps where he was overtaken by uh some military or
or some unmarked military men. Uh. They were clearly military, I should
say they were unmarked, all black, all dressed in black. Uh,
there was a UFO in the distance, and they were conducting some sort of
operation. They were disarmed or not disarmed, but they were basically disarmed.
And uh he you can find his testimony, you know. I'll put the
link for that podcast in the description below. However, guys, so there
has been a new development in that story. Michael's platoon leader has come out.
Now the platoon leader is opposing Michael's testimony. So I just want to
warn you that there is conflict here. I've I've talked to Michael h Arera,
I have not been able to get in touch with platoon leader Uh,
Nathaniel. However, from what Michael is telling me is that I'll tell you
after we play the videos from the vetted podcast. Uh. But vetted podcast
had on the platoon leader. A platoon leader. We are not exactly sure
if that if he was actually on the Indonesia UH trip. We don't know
if he was the team leader for that mission. Uh that the there are
a lot of details that are still missing. So right now it's really testimony
verse testimony uh and story verse story. But you know, we did cover
the initial story uh and Michael's story, so I do feel the need that
we need to present all sides. So here's the first clip. With the
help of Joey is not my name was an independent investigator looking into Michael's case,
I was able to get an interview with Nathan. He even agreed to
go on camera shows face. Now, let me mention that Nathan has never
done an interview before this, So what you'll see later in this video has
never been presented about Michael Herrera's story. So they let him back in after
that, Yeah, they still got to get their time. When you're first
introduced to Michael, he's already had this history of missing a deployment and he's
showing up wanting to kind of be treated like, I'm not a new guy.
I've been around the block. But you're like, you actually haven't been
on a deployment, so you're technically new, right essentially, Yeah, that's
just how it works. Like, Also, no one's going to look favorably
on you if you ran away from a deployment. So you show up to
me and it's like, great, now I have the problem child and he
wants to and he thinks we're buddies because at one point we were in the
same peer group, so that was a weird thing. So you're his team
leader? How did you how do you be? I'm a team leader?
And how big is the team? Yeah? Two teen months by the time
I got out, months of time you know you just oh really, oh
yeah, wow, I have way too much time on got on the helicopters
we flew in. We have Well, so that's the one in teen months
by the time I got out. So what does a typical day of humanitarian
aid work look like? Like? What are you doing? Exactly? Like?
What does that look like? Well, that's the one and only humanitarian
mission ever did. What does a typical day of humanitarian aid work look like
like what are you doing? Exactly? Like what does that look like?
Well, so we didn't even have a big role. We just from what
I remember, we got on the helicopters. We flew in. We had
I think we brought them shovels and like food, and we landed and I
actually I confirmed it because I have these these photos are floating around. I've
seen on all these things that they come from me. And it collapsed and
I remember they said, oh, that's like the school and there's people still
in there, and I was like, oh Jesus, I was like,
I don't. I just remember thinking, I don't know how you're gonna move
that like, and that's one of the pictures. I was drinking a coconut,
so the little people we all just stood there staring up. And I've
seen it on some of these people send me photos of LZ and I'm like,
I was standing in that corner. That's the big S three. He
hacked them down and he had some coconuts and we took off a little while
later, coming in on choppers. So you your guys base camp. So
sorry about the editing. I must not have caught that little fast forward thing.
But here's the we're gonna keep going. It doesn't show any guns anything,
because you guys are going for humanitarian aid. So yeah, that's that's
another thing people get stuck up on. It is weapons, right, you
got to he said, we have weapons. So we went in my best
of my recollection. We went in day two. Right by this time when
we went in, we had already been told you were not bringing rifles.
You're not bringing weapons because that looks bad. Everyone's taking photos and why does
the guy have an M sixteen taking a knee in in front of a bunch
of locals that neat shovels. It just doesn't look good. So what I
remember was, I think it was, you know, grape vine rumor stuff.
Some Air Force colonel in charge of stuff said get back on, don't
bring that crap back and it kind of fits. I've seen photos of the
ninth where they have weapons or combat load, and I recognize one of the
guys. He was a different platoon. It makes sense they went in the
first day. Day two comes around. My platoon goes in. By this
time, there's no rifles, and I you know, when you tell marines
going to Indonesia because they gave us like information, Oh, way way up
north. There's a lot of like, you know, terrorism in this all
you know young marines like, oh god, I have my guns, right,
got to bring your rifles. Some may or may not have broad pistols
in their backpacks just to protect themselves. Got it so without without not but
not following any orders to do that, just to know that's like, I
don't I'm just going to protect myself put in the backpack. That's another thing
I've said to people's like if I had a weapon, you would see it
in every photo. There is not a chance in hell that weapon is coming
off my body. It is just not happening. Oh I'm just going to
leave a rifle in the jungle. Oh my god. Like if someone in
the military is listening, they know it is not happen that. Yeah,
you do that, And that's so it's a strap. The gun has a
strap as well. As we didn't have radios, That's what I heard him
say. We did not have radios. You were never going anywhere without a
radio. You think they're dropping marines to walk into a jungle with no radios.
I've been in plenty of jungles. You get lost in like thirty feet,
you're not coming back. It is not it's a non starter. Now.
The only thing that's un settling with this is the fact that they never
gave us any comms. You know as well as I do, how risky
that is. You didn't have any comps. We didn't have any comps.
Would have had comms, You're damn right, would have called it in,
report something suspicious, maybe get some eyes on a helo, get a hold
of the call signs and try to do them fly around. And they never
did. And obviously we didn't have comps to do it, but they were
more occupied with what was going on behind us. Back on the boat.
Where do you keep your weapons? Are you? Are you issued the weapon
and it's yours to take care of it all times? Is it? Are
the pistols? Also, like my photo with Horrare and my guy, and
you see me on my photos standing there, there's nothing or whatever, it's
still the boat. Oh yeah, yeah, So you basically you got you
went in once because it's kind of like a oh everyone gets to go in
once. It's a cool little thing, handsome stuff. Come back, you
get a ribbon humanitarian it's just they need some people to carry stuff in.
It was no, you know, we're just extra people at that point.
The Marine infantry isn't like crushing humanitarian Aid. We're just what do you need
this to do? Okay? Stuff? Okay? Cool, you're a humanitarian
day trip out. You were not with Michael? No, I was.
Yeah, Oh you were with Michael. So you went with Michael out for
this aid mission. Yeah okay. So so the same mission that he says
he encountered this UFO, you were with him, and that didn't and according
to your recollection, that did not happen. It did not happen. It
did not happen because I took the photo of my two guys, my fire
team on the helicopter going in to the humanitarian Aid. He's right there,
he's in the photo. Michael says, that's not I know. That would
be a problem, wouldn't it. Yeah, yeah, it did not happen
because to the Humanitarian Aid he's right there, he's in the photo. Michael
says, that's not him. I know that would be a problem, wouldn't
it. That would be a problem. But no, I've never no one's
doubted I'm his team leader, right, they know I am. I'm glad.
Fourteen years ago I made the little caption of my photo. It was
like the two devils I'm responsible for, meaning devil dogs, the two guys
I'm in charge of. There's two of them, Carrera and another guy named
Patrick. They're right there. Okay, So Michael is claiming that he was
not that's not him in the photo and that he got approached I guess separately
at night or something to go on this separate mission. Have you ever heard
of anything like that happening. No, No, that didn't happen because he's
the lowest of the low he's the newest guy there. No one's going to
him for any special hookup. You don't get hooked up. It's not it's
just want to happen. I'm a steam leader, like, it's just you
know, yeah, you know where he is at all times. What's going
to happen? Yeah, yeah, No one goes to Camire you want to
do something. No, you got wad leaders, platoon sergeants, platoon commanders,
company gunny. It doesn't work like that. So, guys, I
am, I've talked, like I said, I've talked to Michael Michael.
Michael has been told not to respond and to let guys like me, uh
Joey is not my name, Uh, which is Twitter handle guys like us
to respond because apparently so this is Michael's side of the story. Again,
just presenting both sides, not taking a stance here, I do not,
I mean, because uh, this guy from Vetted, I mean, he
seems very very credible. Uh and and you know, just you know,
sounds just as truthful as as Michael did. So again I'm kind of you
know, I'm even at a loss for words here. So I Michael says
that that that he was not on the mission that night and that it was
a separate thing that he was asked to do. Now, it is true
that my Michael, and he did admit it, that he did go what
you would consider not a wall but unattended u a unaccounted for and he did
miss his first deployment. But that's because, uh, someone that was very
close to him was was very sick and passing away. So he kind of
explained that side. And from the testimony that I'm gathering, uh from from
from Vetted, Uh, it's it's more less, uh, Nathan, just
kind of you know, uh, going through his side of the story.
So again we've seen this before. Right now, until there's more evidence,
it's going to stay story verse story uh testimony, verse testimony. The the
picture that that Nathaniel is saying is is the the smoking gun. Michael says
that is not him in the picture. Again, Michael says that it's not
him in the picture. And if you do look at pictures that are of
Michael at that age, you don't there is not too much I wouldn't say
that there's not resemblance, but it definitely doesn't look exactly the same. But
again the pictures, you know, with the helmet all the strap on,
you know. So so again I'm just at a loss for words on this
one. I'm more incog. You know, I'm friends with Michael. I
don't know Nathan, so you know, I'm I'm gonna stick with Michael on
this one as of right now until further notice. But I do want to
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of right now, as of right now, the Horrera story, what what
are you saying again is that Nathan was not there? Not there? There
seems to be some pictures. Again, now some possible theories could be that
they were there at different times. He does say that you know we uh,
no one doubts that I'm a team leader. Why would he say that
like that? It just seems like a weird thing to throw in there.
Uh it there are some there there are flaws in uh some of Nathan's testimony.
Uh when you listen through the whole podcast, which I'll link through.
So there are definitely two opposing stories here, and it is going to be
up to the community to discern which one is the truth until we get some
more evidence and Michael is at least promising more evidence and to to to whatever
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