The Dark Corners Of UFOlogy- Walter Kirn on UFO whistleblower David Grusch
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Speaker 1: All right, welcome back to the show. Everybody.
Speaker 2: I did this kind of impromptu wasn't gonna go live
Speaker 2: because tomorrow is the holiday. But there was a couple
Speaker 2: of things that kind of like caught my attention today
Speaker 2: that I think I just wanted to discuss real quick.
Speaker 1: And then, you know, wish.
Speaker 2: Everybody applidy happy holiday. If you are in the US
Speaker 2: and you do celebrate, definitely want to, you know, show
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Speaker 2: everyone who supports the show and whether it be monetarily
Speaker 2: sharing clips. We have some great episodes that are being
Speaker 2: filmed over the next.
Speaker 1: Couple of weeks.
Speaker 2: So we'll be taken this week off, or I'll be
Speaker 2: taking this week off, I should say, and next week
Speaker 2: the podcast will kick back up. I just released part
Speaker 2: two of the uapp d episode, and then there'll be
Speaker 2: a lull this week and then next week got something
Speaker 2: really cool for you. So with that being said, I
Speaker 2: I got that I recorded this video. So there's two
Speaker 2: videos I want to play and then I want to
Speaker 2: talk about. Because age of disclosure, obviously I put my
Speaker 2: review out for it. You know, Dan Farra, I think
Speaker 2: did a great job. He made a really, really serious
Speaker 2: film involving UAP and the intelligence community and legacy UFO
Speaker 2: programs and public UFO programs like Asapp. Even though they
Speaker 2: didn't really specifically talk about as APP, they did talk
Speaker 2: about a tip, which you know, it's if you know,
Speaker 2: if you if you're not going to try to get
Speaker 2: too caught up in the details. I think that's what
Speaker 2: is happening right now on the like, if you're heavily
Speaker 2: involved at the UFO community and you're tapped into it
Speaker 2: and you have your pulse on what the general consensus is,
Speaker 2: it's kind of weird. I've never seen a film like
Speaker 2: this divide like it has now. I'm not saying it
Speaker 2: was perfect, nor am I saying it's the end all
Speaker 2: be all. However, it's definitely sparked interest. I mean, it
Speaker 2: is number one. Last time I checked, it was number
Speaker 2: one on Amazon. I don't I mean, I don't know
Speaker 2: what the ratings are. They don't really release those numbers
Speaker 2: when it's you know, straight to streaming, so we may
Speaker 2: never know how many people actually or households actually rented it.
Speaker 2: I'd be interested to definitely see the figures and compared
Speaker 2: to other films like The Phenomenon, and unacknowledged, you know,
Speaker 2: with their releases. I think that would be interesting to
Speaker 2: see how many you know, people are paying attention now
Speaker 2: that maybe weren't back then, or are just getting into
Speaker 2: it now because congressional hearings and all that. You know,
Speaker 2: say what you want. But and then the topics progressed.
Speaker 2: Whether that's a good thing, the topic has progressed, I
Speaker 2: don't think anyone could argue that the topic has not
Speaker 2: become less stigmatized. I think there's more people with adding opinions.
Speaker 2: You know, there's more streamers the Internet, there's more podcasters,
Speaker 2: there's more opinions. And with with the attracted distigmatization that's
Speaker 2: happened post let's say two thousand and four, like two
Speaker 2: thousand and one to twenty seventeen, and then twenty seventeen
Speaker 2: and onward, twenty seventeen onward, much different story. The New
Speaker 2: York Times article, as flawed as I think it is,
Speaker 2: it has changed the subject. There's no doubt about it
Speaker 2: that the domino that that tipped over was a domino
Speaker 2: that was much needed. And you know, I think again,
Speaker 2: I think a lot of the division is happening now
Speaker 2: because we're so far past like and I this sounds
Speaker 2: kind of this sounds selfish when I even think it,
Speaker 2: so I can't imagine how it sounds to someone who
Speaker 2: might be on the outside looking in. But it's kind
Speaker 2: of like, we're over the stories. And I'm a podcaster,
Speaker 2: I interview people, I facilitate stories, so I'm not specifically
Speaker 2: tired of the stories.
Speaker 1: But it seems that.
Speaker 2: A lot of people like they're ready for the next level,
Speaker 2: whatever that is, whether it's physical evidence, you know, whether
Speaker 2: it's carding out a body or you know, biologics and
Speaker 2: then having them like whatever the next step is. They
Speaker 2: that's all they want, that they're they're tired of the
Speaker 2: I'd have to speak about that in a skiff mentality and.
Speaker 1: Fair enough, fair enough.
Speaker 2: I however, I'm a story guy. I like to hear stories.
Speaker 2: I give benefit people benefit of the doubt. I understand that disclosure.
Speaker 2: Disclosure is complicated, and you know, we're dealing with some
Speaker 2: of the most existential topics there are. To think the
Speaker 2: process would be anything but slow, Uh, would be naive
Speaker 2: unless you know, something shows up tomorrow above the White House,
Speaker 2: and even then we might not hear about it. Right. Uh,
Speaker 2: you know they've done that before technically two weekends in
Speaker 2: a row. And then you know, actually Age of disclosure
Speaker 2: brought up this case about the Bush residents and how
Speaker 2: you know there was a U A p on caught
Speaker 2: on radar, caught on multiple sensory systems that was over
Speaker 2: the residence of the you know, George Bush and his
Speaker 2: cabin or not cabin maybe it's not, maybe it wasn't,
Speaker 2: but his residence in Texas and UH jets were scrambled,
Speaker 2: and you know when they when asked about it, they were,
Speaker 2: you know, couldn't say anything. We signed NDA's so you know,
Speaker 2: they they for lack of a better term, they've tried,
Speaker 2: you know, to see the president.
Speaker 1: Maybe they haven't.
Speaker 2: You know, some of the lower people would know, you know,
Speaker 2: meetings at Holloman Air Force Base and the Eisenhower Palm
Speaker 2: Springs disappearance where he was at the dentist but journalists
Speaker 2: were saying he was dead. And you know, the deeper
Speaker 2: you are down the rabbit hole, the more stories you know,
Speaker 2: the more UH you know, the more you start connecting
Speaker 2: like JFK to UFOs somehow That's how I measure, That's
Speaker 2: how I measure people. How far do you think JFK
Speaker 2: had anything to do with UFOs, and that's that's how
Speaker 2: I judge where they are in the topic. So anyway,
Speaker 2: there's a video I want to play. This is Chris Millen.
Speaker 2: He put this out in response to Age of Disclosure.
Speaker 2: By the way, not a lot of a lot of
Speaker 2: people aren't happy. Some of the a lot of people
Speaker 2: in the film that like Salads, Robert Salace, I know,
Speaker 2: Bob Jacobs, Mario Woods.
Speaker 1: Some of the witnesses are upset that they they got.
Speaker 2: Okay, again, I'm not saying anything bad here, but Bob
Speaker 2: Salas got thirty four seconds of screen time.
Speaker 1: What the fuck? What the fuck? Like, that's crazy, that
Speaker 1: thirty four seconds. I don't know.
Speaker 2: That's the that's the that's the it's crazy. That's crazy
Speaker 2: to me anyway. So this is Chris Mellan speaking to Congress.
Speaker 1: It sounds like.
Speaker 2: In the new.
Speaker 3: UAP documentary Age of Disclosure, we learned that the Air
Speaker 3: Force had a secret program to track UAP in the
Speaker 3: vicinity of Area fifty one and other sensitive military facilities
Speaker 3: in the nineteen nineties. This report comes from none other
Speaker 3: than General James Clapper, former Director of US Air Force Intelligence.
Speaker 3: A former Director of National Intelligence.
Speaker 2: Before before we get into this further, like I said,
Speaker 2: I do want to say happy holidays to everybody and
Speaker 2: without this community. I know, like people give it a
Speaker 2: bad rap sometimes, like you know, they always want to
Speaker 2: see the bad and everything. But I find that that
Speaker 2: this community love it or hate it, hate or love
Speaker 2: it skeptical, skeptical, debunker or die hard believer. Right, I
Speaker 2: am grateful this year and for for all years. I
Speaker 2: am grateful that there's a community where I can come
Speaker 2: and I can exchange ideas with people that are like minded, right,
Speaker 2: that don't like, for instance, I think a lot of
Speaker 2: us in the UFO field, like during the holidays especially right,
Speaker 2: it's kind of weird because like if you're known and
Speaker 2: in the family as like the UFO guy, like you're
Speaker 2: always going to be known as the UFO guy.
Speaker 1: And there's something about that.
Speaker 2: That's it's it's almost like it's for for me, it's
Speaker 2: a badge of honor, but for some reason it's for
Speaker 2: some people to scarlet letter. And you know, just remember that.
Speaker 2: I think history will will favor the favor.
Speaker 1: The people.
Speaker 2: That allowed for the thinking that something that that humans
Speaker 2: aren't the top of the food chain. Right, it's not
Speaker 2: to say that, you know, we are less than I
Speaker 2: don't like that route. When, like the can they compare
Speaker 2: humanity as like an ant hill to an alien species
Speaker 2: as an alien species, and we're just the ant hill.
Speaker 2: I think that is a crude analogy and and and I.
Speaker 1: Think it really like it does.
Speaker 2: It does a disservice to humanity because we have done
Speaker 2: some of we've done amazing things and the fact that
Speaker 2: we're here, uh, you know, we we've made a lot
Speaker 2: of mistakes too. But I think history will be will
Speaker 2: look kindly on those who who dared to ask the questions.
Speaker 2: So you know, we're all in it together at the
Speaker 2: end of the day.
Speaker 1: How do I play it now?
Speaker 3: That's sure? Air Force, you ain't pre d program continue
Speaker 3: to this day? Where's the data? What did the Air
Speaker 3: Force learn? Moreover, why is it that when Congress asked
Speaker 3: the services for UAP information in their possession in the
Speaker 3: twenty twenty Intelligence Authorization Bill, the Air Force denied having
Speaker 3: any pritent information other than a handful of very recent
Speaker 3: innocuous reports submitted after DoD guidance was finally issued in
Speaker 3: twenty twenty, requiring all military components to report UAP sidings.
Speaker 3: In my view, the Air Force brass treat Congress with contempt,
Speaker 3: even if not in a strictly illegal manner. I also
Speaker 3: believe that the secret Air Force UAP program described by
Speaker 3: General Clapper or another like it, remains quity active behind
Speaker 3: the scenes. I say this because it would explain a
Speaker 3: number of things. For example, why is it that Air
Speaker 3: Force F twenty two's, despite having greatly superior sensors, did
Speaker 3: not report UAP operating in DoD training areas off the
Speaker 3: East coast when Navy F eighteen's were routinely detecting and
Speaker 3: reporting UAP on the same ranges. Why is it the
Speaker 3: USS Princeton radar data from the Nimtz case disappeared after
Speaker 3: US Air Force officers visited the ship. In fact, there
Speaker 3: are many similar cases where Navy data was removed by
Speaker 3: US Air Force personnel. Similarly, why are the Knimts decklogs
Speaker 3: missing for precisely the period of Prieston UAP tracking back
Speaker 3: in two thousand and four? Why is it the Air
Speaker 3: Force never reports UAP detected by its strategic radar systems.
Speaker 3: These solid state phased array radars are believed to be
Speaker 3: the most powerful emitters on the planet. Yet, despite their
Speaker 3: massive range and constant covering, even when UAP are detected
Speaker 3: operating for days directly in front of these powerful admitters,
Speaker 3: the Air Force fails to issue at EUAP reports. Why
Speaker 3: is it that none of the innumerable nor AT UAP
Speaker 3: intercept cases from recent decades were submitted with the twenty
Speaker 3: twenty one UAP report to Congress, including.
Speaker 1: The famous UAP case over.
Speaker 3: The Bush Ranch in Texas where f sixteen pilots were
Speaker 3: made to signed NDAs by the Air Force.
Speaker 1: Well maybe that's where I heard.
Speaker 3: As recently as last year, the Air Force was still
Speaker 3: refusing to provide nor AT UAP intercept data to dods
Speaker 3: All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office in Congress. Why are the
Speaker 3: no reports of UAP and space despite a massive US
Speaker 3: Air Force base availance capability. Why is it the US
Speaker 3: that the Air Force seized Navy sonar data obtained after
Speaker 3: an encounter by a US nuclear submarine with the underwater UAP.
Speaker 3: In some I believe the Air Force is treating Congress
Speaker 3: contemptuously when it comes to dodging formal Congressional requests for
Speaker 3: Air Force UAP data. It seems likely the Air Force
Speaker 3: has either carefully marshaled all of its UAP data into
Speaker 3: an obscure, highly secret quote waves special access program that
Speaker 3: even the tiered ranking members of the intelligence committees are
Speaker 3: not cleared for, or that the Air Force is using
Speaker 3: Atomic Energy Act or other authorities justifying concealing this UAP information.
Speaker 3: For example, the Air Force might claim they are merely
Speaker 3: the executive agent for CIA or the National Nuclear Security Agency,
Speaker 3: and that reporting of this data is therefore not their responsibility.
Speaker 3: Their counterpart agency might claim the reverse, leaving Congress uninformed,
Speaker 3: as the quote deep state exploits a fish in the
Speaker 3: current Congressional Military and Intelligence before you framework.
Speaker 1: So that is that? Is that?
Speaker 2: So? I think now Chris Mellan is someone that you know,
Speaker 2: I think, I know, I have a lot of respect
Speaker 2: for Chris Mellan, I do, I think. I mean, it's
Speaker 2: tough to kind of say like this, but a man
Speaker 2: with his wealth and means to be invested in the
Speaker 2: topic as such. I mean, you could say he's making
Speaker 2: money up. I don't know if he is. I don't
Speaker 2: think he is. He seems genuine enough to me. I mean,
Speaker 2: could it be that he's still in the pocket of
Speaker 2: the government, probably right to some degree, probably same with
Speaker 2: the other guys. Honestly, it's not a not a big deal,
Speaker 2: not a big I mean, you.
Speaker 1: Just got to know that.
Speaker 2: As long as you know it and you can work
Speaker 2: within the confines of the truth, then I think it's fine.
Speaker 1: You know, I think we've.
Speaker 2: Always wanted more people involved, So when it actually starts
Speaker 2: to happen, I don't think we can start slamming the door, right.
Speaker 1: And that's where I get caught up.
Speaker 2: You know, for years and years and years, we've begged
Speaker 2: the government to get involved. We've begged people with credentials
Speaker 2: to get involved, and now that they have, we call
Speaker 2: them grifters or gatekeepers. And I listen, some of them are,
Speaker 2: some of them are fair enough. I just think that
Speaker 2: we need to be a little bit more non combative,
Speaker 2: call out the bullshit. Of course, of course, I just think.
Speaker 2: You know, watching the reception to Age of Disclosure, it's
Speaker 2: got me. It's got me worried, honestly, honestly, it's got
Speaker 2: me worried. But speaking of disclosure, I kept seeing a
Speaker 2: clip get shared. I don't know who this gentleman is,
Speaker 2: Walter Kim, but he showed up on Megan Kelly and
Speaker 2: Megan Kelly's like, you know, her and Candace Owens are
Speaker 2: arguably her. Candace and Tucker are arguably probably the biggest
Speaker 2: platforms out there right now, you know, other than Rogan
Speaker 2: and that. So this is, you know, this is where
Speaker 2: advancement happens, right getting those people talking about it. So
Speaker 2: I found this to be very interesting. And he talks
Speaker 2: about Grush and knowing him, and so Walter, if I
Speaker 2: forgive me, I'm gonna share the video first and get
Speaker 2: that going, and then I'll stop it and.
Speaker 1: I'll go over who he is. I'll be sure that
Speaker 1: real quick. Oh man, this is why I needed Young Jamie.
Speaker 1: Young Jamie, pull it up. Oh there it is. Thank you,
Speaker 1: Young Jamie. I'm just kidding. Thank you. Tyler. Uh.
Speaker 2: By the way, before I start this, I keep hearing foots.
Speaker 2: I know this sounds like so cliche, but I live
Speaker 2: on the first floor in my main house. The studio
Speaker 2: is above my garage I live. I've lived on the
Speaker 2: first floor for the past couple of years too, because
Speaker 2: we just moved here like about a year ago. But
Speaker 2: before that, I was at I was at another place
Speaker 2: and I was on the first floor, so I kind
Speaker 2: of got used to the footsteps like above me. Anyone
Speaker 2: who lives on the first floor in like a double family,
Speaker 2: multiple family house, you'll know this, sound like people walking
Speaker 2: above you. I mean, God forbid, if you live in
Speaker 2: an house with a second floor, you'll know this. So
Speaker 2: I live in the first floor in the main house.
Speaker 2: And how for a while, and even before that, when
Speaker 2: I was in Summerville at the original studio and house,
Speaker 2: I was in the basement. So I've grown so accustomed
Speaker 2: to like hearing people walk above me. There's no one
Speaker 2: above me in the studio. And I realize now since
Speaker 2: the day that I bought this place, I've been hearing
Speaker 2: footsteps above me in the studio. There's no one above me.
Speaker 2: I got so used to it that it just sounded normal.
Speaker 2: I swear to God, I swear on anything. I'm not
Speaker 2: just making this up to sound like oh, because the
Speaker 2: paariranormal is kind of like my line in the sand.
Speaker 1: But I think it's just an animal, of course.
Speaker 2: But I can now recall multiple times where I heard
Speaker 2: like someone walking across the and I'll bring the camera
Speaker 2: up there. I'll show you there's nothing above me. There's
Speaker 2: a little attic, but it's not like it's got to
Speaker 2: finished floor or anything like that. It's like one of
Speaker 2: those ones you can push up through and then it's
Speaker 2: like beamed out and it's it's only like two feet
Speaker 2: tall or three feet tall.
Speaker 1: So I've heard fucking footsteps up there.
Speaker 2: Man. I've been freaking out lately because I'm like, dude,
Speaker 2: I spend way too much time in here.
Speaker 1: I don't need this.
Speaker 2: So if there is something with me, like, I want
Speaker 2: this to be on air too. I am saying, if
Speaker 2: there is anything here, we can happily coexist.
Speaker 1: Happily. I will not bother you. Just please don't scare
Speaker 1: the shit out of me.
Speaker 4: It's just my feet or is this coming up in
Speaker 4: your your social media and like your life more these days,
Speaker 4: I can't hear any No, it's just me. Okay, But
Speaker 4: I'm in new and I talked to Walter, so that's
Speaker 4: what's happening, well.
Speaker 1: My old there over on Fox News. Just in this interview.
Speaker 4: Okay, Yes, we like Brett and he interviewed like the
Speaker 4: god of UAPs.
Speaker 1: You guys what you should be called UFOs. Yes, we've
Speaker 1: gotten up.
Speaker 4: Great former Air Force guy. Just listen to this SoundBite.
Speaker 1: Watch.
Speaker 5: I don't like to characterize necessarily where they came from.
Speaker 5: There are definitely some kind of non human sentience, but
Speaker 5: it is true, believe it or not. We've recovered the
Speaker 5: vehicles and we actually have physical proof, and I was
Speaker 5: actually partially cleared into some of those activities. It was
Speaker 5: beyond the oral testimony provided to me. I actually had
Speaker 5: partial access to the data and actually read the intelligence
Speaker 5: reports resulting from those programs with your own eyes.
Speaker 4: Yes, all right, Now that's extraordinary because my understanding is
Speaker 4: this is not some kook.
Speaker 1: There's not some crackpot.
Speaker 4: This is a former Air Force and he's saying he
Speaker 4: actually saw the vehicles and some sort of non sentient being.
Speaker 6: No sentient beings, er Jasmine Crockett sent sentient beings have awareness.
Speaker 4: And thought, oh my god, but this is something you've
Speaker 4: been reporting on, you've been paying attention to.
Speaker 6: So in the in the spirit of Charlie Kirk, I
Speaker 6: decided I would do nothing but tell the truth when
Speaker 6: I came out here tonight. I was invited to be
Speaker 6: on his show a couple of months before he died,
Speaker 6: and I declined that should give everybody pause. Take every
Speaker 6: opportunity to have with good people, because they might not
Speaker 6: be around forever.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 6: Dave Brush is a friend of mine and he's a source,
Speaker 6: and I've known him for three years. I was texting
Speaker 6: him in the green room. I said, what can I
Speaker 6: tell Megan's audience? He said, the problem with the aliens
Speaker 6: is that we care a lot about them that they
Speaker 6: don't care a lot about us.
Speaker 1: In other words, I find it hard to believe, he said, aliens.
Speaker 6: Still exploring this universe. The gorilla was only discovered in
Speaker 6: the middle of the nineteenth century. It was a it
Speaker 6: was a mythical being that they finally discovered in the jungle.
Speaker 6: They found bodies and so on. I'm convinced, and I
Speaker 6: hate to tell you this, that Dave is telling the truth,
Speaker 6: and that against great pressure and great mockery, he's trying
Speaker 6: to describe our actual world to us. It's a world
Speaker 6: in which we have not made all the discoveries yet. Now.
Speaker 6: He often compares them to mountain lions. He says, do
Speaker 6: you believe in mountain lions? Everybody would say, yes, right,
Speaker 6: how many of you actually seen one?
Speaker 1: I have seen one, You've seen one?
Speaker 6: Okay, well, ugly I am. I am convinced that this
Speaker 6: isn't a syop that this isn't what conspiracy theorists called
Speaker 6: Project Bluebeam, an attempt to dazzle us all with a
Speaker 6: false god that will bring us all under you know,
Speaker 6: slavery of some sort of world government. I think that
Speaker 6: very rarely, but somewhat commonly over the years, going back
Speaker 6: through human history, we have been visited by beings of
Speaker 6: other types. It's a big universe. When we barely understand
Speaker 6: we're very young, we're going to learn about I can
Speaker 6: promise you this, We're going to learn more about this.
Speaker 6: And in the same interview he tells you that Donald
Speaker 6: Trump knows a lot about it. That's my information too.
Speaker 6: If you know anything about Donald Trump, he can't. He
Speaker 6: will not avoid bragging about what he knows before he
Speaker 6: So I expect him to be the president who tells
Speaker 6: us what we haven't heard.
Speaker 4: So what can you just like outline it for us
Speaker 4: more clearly, Like what exactly is he telling you?
Speaker 1: They've seen, They've.
Speaker 6: Recovered craft that have crashed. Some of those craft have
Speaker 6: fought each other. In other words, people say, how could
Speaker 6: they crash they come across the universe. Well, we're not
Speaker 6: so sure they'd come all that far. Frankly, We're not
Speaker 6: so sure. They don't have places nearby to come visit.
Speaker 6: They're a little bit like gardeners from the descriptions of
Speaker 6: the people I've had as sources. They check on the
Speaker 6: garden every once in a while, but they have their
Speaker 6: own business, They have their own family fights, they have
Speaker 6: their own voyages. Now what he's talking about are actual
Speaker 6: bodies on the ground. I imagine there's going to be
Speaker 6: a day where you're going to sit down in front
Speaker 6: of your television and people who you trust, scientists, politicians,
Speaker 6: ones who don't necessarily agree with each other on everything,
Speaker 6: but do agree on something like the truth will bring
Speaker 6: forward the evidence. You will be convinced. It will not
Speaker 6: rock your world. If you're a religious person, you can
Speaker 6: handle it. If you've read the Bible, there are all
Speaker 6: sorts of creatures in there who aren't explained. If you
Speaker 6: believe that these are a demonic presence, I don't think
Speaker 6: they are any more than certain animals are. But you know,
Speaker 6: there was a time when we thought we were alone
Speaker 6: in the universe, almost as a planet, that the Sun
Speaker 6: revolved around us and so on. We survived that, We
Speaker 6: survived the revelation that it was the other way around.
Speaker 6: We'll survive this. It'll be interesting, kids will be more
Speaker 6: interested in science. I think our universe will light up
Speaker 6: for us again. They've kept it to themselves for I
Speaker 6: think obvious reasons. And I spoke to someone just recently.
Speaker 6: I said, how should they first disclose this? And he
Speaker 6: said they should take the craft that they've reverse engineered
Speaker 6: that have capacities that you and I don't know about,
Speaker 6: and fly them over Phoenix. They've done that, and in
Speaker 6: fact that happened because the Phoenix Lights is one of
Speaker 6: the great UFO scares of all time if you know
Speaker 6: about it. So I pretict that's going to happen. And
Speaker 6: I don't think it's going to be all that long.
Speaker 6: And I don't and I think after all the movies
Speaker 6: and all the you know, pop culture, we're not going
Speaker 6: to be all that shocked by it. I think we'll
Speaker 6: integrate it and it's not going to destroy our civilization
Speaker 6: to find out.
Speaker 4: I have an idea for them to integrate into the
Speaker 4: United States in a way and the world the Earth.
Speaker 4: That's going to make everybody really happy. It's going to
Speaker 4: make things non controversial. People are going to be in
Speaker 4: favor of their addition to our wave of life. They
Speaker 4: just have to start by grabbing one of us. I
Speaker 4: nominate Elizabeth Warren. Just you take her, She's gone.
Speaker 1: I'm in masths.
Speaker 4: She probably was part of that Hope tribe at your
Speaker 4: high school, and we can all get behind that idea.
Speaker 1: Another unifier.
Speaker 6: The problem with if Trump announces that, the liberals won't
Speaker 6: believe him.
Speaker 1: I mean, I've said that too.
Speaker 6: Trump could lay out absolute proof of this thing and
Speaker 6: half of the people wouldn't believe it, just like you know,
Speaker 6: they went and grabbed tile and all the minute it
Speaker 6: seemed like he was against it.
Speaker 1: My friend just lost her ring. She went to replace it.
Speaker 1: She realized it was a gold ring.
Speaker 4: At the price of it has gone up like.
Speaker 1: Since you bought the ring a year ago.
Speaker 2: That's because okay, so that's the end of that. Then,
Speaker 2: I think, uh, what he says is mainly on point. Uh,
Speaker 2: mainly on point.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: I think I he said Grush said the aliens. I
Speaker 2: I I have.
Speaker 3: Not heard.
Speaker 2: Him once in any interview in any like claim that
Speaker 2: it was anything specific. So unless he privately says that,
Speaker 2: I just I feel like that would have come out.
Speaker 2: There is some backlage, like there is another side. Uh,
Speaker 2: someone that that was pretty big in the in the
Speaker 2: UFO community.
Speaker 1: The community. Uh, they're like the.
Speaker 2: Research community and the podcasting community.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: This you'll know his ex account by tiny Klaus. Interestingly enough,
Speaker 2: I looked, I went to see if I could message
Speaker 2: Gary Nolan, and I opened him his page up on
Speaker 2: X and turns out I'm blocked.
Speaker 1: I don't know why.
Speaker 2: I mean, it could be something I said, but I
Speaker 2: don't know Klaus's.
Speaker 1: And the reason I bring that up in the first
Speaker 1: place is not to be.
Speaker 7: Like, oh poor me unblocked by Gary Nolan, but like
Speaker 7: I respect Gary, I've only ever said positive things about him,
Speaker 7: So I just don't understand why it's I mean, is
Speaker 7: it is what it is.
Speaker 1: One day, if I ever see him in person, I'll
Speaker 1: bring it up to him.
Speaker 2: I'll say, hey, you know, like maybe we could talk
Speaker 2: this out or and if my chance he sees this
Speaker 2: on X or something.
Speaker 1: You know, just know that, like I really do we
Speaker 1: need It's not it's not even that.
Speaker 2: We deserve, but we need people like Gary in the field.
Speaker 2: People have said that he's uh, you know, there's these
Speaker 2: like limited hangouts on Signal and and other you know platforms,
Speaker 2: discord or whatever it is. I don't know, but I
Speaker 2: mean that's always that's always happening. One recent one that
Speaker 2: I did see, ah, and like I said, was was
Speaker 2: Klaus saying that he was essentially like there's just like
Speaker 2: a weird, weird story and and I'm not sure what
Speaker 2: to think about it. I mean, here's some of the
Speaker 2: stuff that he was saying, is like this so closest
Speaker 2: saying and closest known as a pretty respectable person. So
Speaker 2: like when he when he's saying this, I'm I'm a
Speaker 2: little taken aback by it because he's going like against
Speaker 2: the Grush narrative, against the Gary Nolan's.
Speaker 1: Of the world, and the whole limited hangout of that.
Speaker 2: If that is a thing, I don't know, but yeah,
Speaker 2: I really don't understand what's happening with it. But there
Speaker 2: is a dark side to ufology and fast like the
Speaker 2: factionalization of the topic. And I've seen this before like
Speaker 2: the movie community, even just in the subset of the
Speaker 2: comic book movie industry, Like that's the thing, Like there
Speaker 2: was factions between DC like the snipe. If anyone knows
Speaker 2: Zack Snyder and the story that happened with him in
Speaker 2: Justice League, and you know how after his daughter died,
Speaker 2: you know, Warner Brothers kind of like used that as
Speaker 2: an excuse to do like a What they wanted was
Speaker 2: something more like the Marvel Cinematic universe, something that was bright,
Speaker 2: it was colorful, it was quippie, and it made money,
Speaker 2: and Snyder very much was dark. If anyone's ever watched
Speaker 2: three hundred or any of Zach's films, there's a lot
Speaker 2: of Watchmen.
Speaker 1: He got the job because of Watchmen.
Speaker 2: But there was factions even in that community, like so
Speaker 2: DC like as a as a brand, there was factions
Speaker 2: in that most people know the factions of, like the
Speaker 2: Star Wars community. So for me, that's what it feels like.
Speaker 2: It's just a little bit more like real life, like
Speaker 2: we So, I really don't I don't want to go
Speaker 2: too far into it. I did want to bring it
Speaker 2: up because close close to saying that like it's all
Speaker 2: a syop, and a lot of people have been saying
Speaker 2: that lately, like it's all a syop, Like this whole thing,
Speaker 2: not the UFOs themselves, not that they exist, but the
Speaker 2: controlled disclosure that's happened since twenty seventeen. I think a
Speaker 2: lot of people are talking about this because Age of
Speaker 2: Disclosure has reignited some sort of spark up everyone's ass apparently,
Speaker 2: skeptics and believers and all they're just you know, fully
Speaker 2: at each other's throats right now. And I mean, it
Speaker 2: is what it is. I I didn't expect it to
Speaker 2: be this way, but it is. It is this way,
Speaker 2: and it concerns me. So I think we need to
Speaker 2: step back. I think a lot of people need to
Speaker 2: step back and take a take a break, disconnect, Like
Speaker 2: go throw axes at a tree in the woods, you know,
Speaker 2: go do whatever whatever you do. Take some of this
Speaker 2: time and during the holiday season if you live in
Speaker 2: the US, or the holiday season that we're about to
Speaker 2: approach in December, and and you know, reflect, and you know,
Speaker 2: we only have a finite amount of time on this
Speaker 2: earth that we are aware of. So do we really
Speaker 2: want to spend it like yelling at each other on
Speaker 2: X I don't know. I don't know, guys, but but
Speaker 2: this guy is saying what this Walter guy is saying
Speaker 2: on Megan Kelly. I like to see the topic spreading
Speaker 2: to those kinds of shows. As I said before, those
Speaker 2: kinds of Megan Kelly, the Candae Owens, whether you hate
Speaker 2: them or love them, they have the biggest reach right now.
Speaker 2: So you know those shows talking about this and you know,
Speaker 2: talking about Trump and talking about how they can.
Speaker 1: See him being that president.
Speaker 2: We've I talked about this last episode, that last live
Speaker 2: show that he has a you know, the the stage
Speaker 2: kind of is set right now and there's whisper whispers
Speaker 2: of a presidential you know investigation, uh advisory committee or
Speaker 2: whatever it is UH to investigate you aps. And who knows,
Speaker 2: maybe maybe Trump will come out to the podium and
Speaker 2: uh say, you know, we're not alone. He will not say,
Speaker 2: my fellow Americans, It's not going to start like that
Speaker 2: like Nick Pope would have you believe, you know, in
Speaker 2: every documentary, it's it's gonna be more like in someone
Speaker 2: needs to do this with AI.
Speaker 1: Just thinking of its making me fucking laugh.
Speaker 2: But like trump disclosure scenario where where he's just like
Speaker 2: unfiltered and Trump like in his voice. I can't do
Speaker 2: the I can't imitate him, but a lot of people can.
Speaker 2: But picture like disclosure in Trump's voice, Like that's the
Speaker 2: disclosure right this, I think anytime like anyone's ever mentioned
Speaker 2: disclosure being like, you know, the president's stepping up to
Speaker 2: the podium.
Speaker 1: They think of like.
Speaker 2: JFK stepping up to the podium or Ronald Reagan. Right,
Speaker 2: these people who who have just pure grace when they speak.
Speaker 2: Even Barack Obama, everyone knows that guy was slick. He
Speaker 2: was slick when he got to the podium. So you
Speaker 2: could see that, my fellow Americans, you know that the
Speaker 2: addressing the nation at its core, right, Trump.
Speaker 1: Doesn't do that.
Speaker 2: He just walks out like he owns the fucking place
Speaker 2: and it just starts talking. He didn't no preamble, no intro,
Speaker 2: right into the middle of the conversation and you know,
Speaker 2: and we're off and running. So someone I will pay
Speaker 2: twenty dollars if someone makes me that clip and sends
Speaker 2: it to me privately so I can, uh, I can
Speaker 2: share that because I do not know how to use
Speaker 2: AI like that. But seriously, I wanted to make this
Speaker 2: a quick show. Let me know what you guys think.
Speaker 2: Do you do you think David Grush is the real deal?
Speaker 2: I think he's the real deal. I think a lot
Speaker 2: of people are, you know, they're they're torn. I think
Speaker 2: there's been a lot of disinformation. One thing I will
Speaker 2: agree with age of disclue is that there is some
Speaker 2: sort of operation that is infiltrated, whether it's this topic
Speaker 2: or just like media in general, and they're just catching it.
Speaker 2: You know, there is a campaign to actively kind of
Speaker 2: like try to put the lid back on this as
Speaker 2: much as they can, right, whether it's you know, leaking
Speaker 2: PTSD files or discrediting.
Speaker 1: People or silencing them.
Speaker 2: I'm a firm believer that that is actively happening, and
Speaker 2: that there is active recovery programs, crash retrieval programs that
Speaker 2: are operating without oversight. They have their own fundraising mechanisms,
Speaker 2: the answer to no one but themselves, and they are
Speaker 2: exploiting that technology. I can't give you all the details
Speaker 2: because I don't know all the details, but I've seen
Speaker 2: enough evidence to suggest that, like call it MJ twelve,
Speaker 2: called the deep state, there is something behind the scenes
Speaker 2: that They're not the billionaires you hear about, right, They're
Speaker 2: the ones who control the billionaires you hear about. Think
Speaker 2: on that, Think on that. I've said it for a
Speaker 2: long time. The same people that control the epsteins of
Speaker 2: the world, right, and how that won't come out right?
Speaker 2: You know, the people that control the diddies and the Epstein's.
Speaker 2: You don't think those are the same people that are
Speaker 2: actively covering up free energy, right, same people that would
Speaker 2: do those atroth the.
Speaker 1: Most heinous things.
Speaker 2: And I don't want to get demonetized or dy platform,
Speaker 2: so I'm not gonna say the words, but you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, heinous crimes on that island, heinous shit.
Speaker 2: And you don't think that people that are that are
Speaker 2: the ones that are getting that information from those people,
Speaker 2: the ones who are you know, giving them the resources
Speaker 2: to blackmail the the highest politicians and monarchs and uh
Speaker 2: uh influential people in every industry. If you don't think
Speaker 2: that there is a dark side that we don't know about,
Speaker 2: then you are naive and evil exists and that island
Speaker 2: is proof of it. So happy Thanksgiving everyone, if you
Speaker 2: do celebrate Happy holidays. Uh, super super thankful for you guys.
Speaker 2: Super thankful to people that listen and make the show
Speaker 2: possible and allow me to uh rent the studio and
Speaker 2: do all this. We're definitely expanding in capabilities. Uh, we
Speaker 2: are going to be starting to fly people in. I
Speaker 2: have a big roster that we're working on right now,
Speaker 2: talking to guys like Patrick Jackson, the Sphere Network, down
Speaker 2: to Paul Heineck, Danny Sheen.
Speaker 1: The list is going to go on and on and on.
Speaker 2: But I'm gonna bring him into the studio, just like
Speaker 2: I did with rosan urk av Lobe, even though that
Speaker 2: episode didn't air. And you know, like the contact of
Speaker 2: the Desert episodes, I fell in love with the in person.
Speaker 2: I fell in love with it. I just I really
Speaker 2: like that. And I don't want to do virtual episodes anymore.
Speaker 2: I want to feel the energy in the room right.
Speaker 2: I have the means to do it, and I want
Speaker 2: to do this show even if I make, if I
Speaker 2: break even. I don't want money I make. I have
Speaker 2: my day job. I'm fine, I am good. So I'm
Speaker 2: here for I'm here for the truth, and the truth
Speaker 2: to me truly answers everyone, Uh, I'm gonna take a
Speaker 2: few days off, so enjoy your time with your family,
Speaker 2: hold them close, tell them you love them. I love you, guys,
Speaker 2: See you soon.
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