UFO CRASH RETRIEVALS WITH UFO Military Historian MICHAEL SCHRATT

0:13 Speaker 1: Welcome back to Total Disclosure the podcast. My name's Tie

0:17 Speaker 1: and I am your host. Uh. We have a great

0:21 Speaker 1: show tonight. One of my favorite people in the world. Uh,

0:25 Speaker 1: and I'm so excited, mister Michael Stratt is here, so

0:30 Speaker 1: let's get him out it in here. How you doing,

0:32 Speaker 1: mister Michael.

0:33 Speaker 2: Going to be with you? Good to be with you?

0:37 Speaker 2: Mm hmm, great doing good?

0:42 Speaker 1: Thank you. Sorry, I was having a little trouble hearing

0:46 Speaker 1: because first three things started playing in the background, So

0:50 Speaker 1: I am sorry about that. But Military Aviation Historian, You've

0:56 Speaker 1: done so much work with you in the UFO topic.

1:00 Speaker 1: I mean, I think you're in like every documentary I've

1:04 Speaker 1: ever watched on the subject. It's crazy you make your routes.

1:09 Speaker 2: Maybe so you know, we do what we can here,

1:14 Speaker 2: you know.

1:15 Speaker 1: Yeah, So tonight we decided that we were going to

1:18 Speaker 1: talk about crash retrievals UFO crash tables to be specific. Now,

1:23 Speaker 1: I just had a conversation with mister Tim Burchett, congressman

1:28 Speaker 1: out of Tennessee, and I tried talking to him and

1:31 Speaker 1: getting him to open up about some of the crash retrievals. Obviously,

1:35 Speaker 1: he spearheaded the UFO hearings that David Grush was a

1:38 Speaker 1: part of, and we got to hear a little bit

1:41 Speaker 1: about before Roswell and that you know, this cover up

1:46 Speaker 1: may pre date you know a lot of the preconceived

1:52 Speaker 1: notions of modern day ufology. So I just wanted to

1:55 Speaker 1: get your thoughts on that at least to start.

1:58 Speaker 2: I concur with that, because we've got multiple Crush retrievals

2:02 Speaker 2: from nineteen forty six at right Field, Dayton, Ohio. We've

2:06 Speaker 2: got Cape Girardo nineteen forty one. If the Italy case

2:10 Speaker 2: is to be believed, that's nineteen thirty three, So there's

2:12 Speaker 2: multiple cases prior to Roswell, absolutely right.

2:17 Speaker 1: And you know Tim and I were talking about they're

2:22 Speaker 1: the ass at program and Jim Lekatski claiming that he

2:27 Speaker 1: had breached the hull of a UFO, and you know,

2:32 Speaker 1: David Grush also had said that Lockheed wanted to get

2:39 Speaker 1: rid of or get new eyes on some of the

2:44 Speaker 1: material that they were in possession of and they were

2:47 Speaker 1: set to deliver but basically a UFO to as app

2:53 Speaker 1: the program and that was the ultimate goal and why

2:56 Speaker 1: Robert Bigelow got the money to retro fit his facility

3:00 Speaker 1: to take on a project like that. It ultimately was

3:04 Speaker 1: thwarted by the CIA, But I think it's really really

3:08 Speaker 1: interesting to think, I mean, how long have these crash

3:11 Speaker 1: retrievals and how long have we had potential alien craft,

3:16 Speaker 1: potential alien technology.

3:19 Speaker 2: Well at least seventy to eight years. And that's borne

3:23 Speaker 2: out by a lot of first hand military witnesses from

3:26 Speaker 2: Leonard Stringfield who were at the site where craft were

3:31 Speaker 2: loaded onto eighteen wheeler tractor trailer low boy truck sent

3:34 Speaker 2: to Wright Patterson Air Force Base. We've got other medical

3:37 Speaker 2: personnel who were in charge of the autopsies, the pathologists, reports,

3:43 Speaker 2: the X ray lab technicians. This is all within the

3:45 Speaker 2: Stringfield collection.

3:47 Speaker 1: Right, And it's just when so many people are telling

3:51 Speaker 1: you that this there's something to this, it really does

3:59 Speaker 1: start to solidify. I mean, we're in the age of

4:01 Speaker 1: information and it could be a blessing and a curse,

4:04 Speaker 1: if you will, kind of right, because with information comes

4:10 Speaker 1: misinformation deception. Uh. And it seems that in government there's

4:16 Speaker 1: this battle for disclosure and it's like it's it's we're

4:19 Speaker 1: waiting to see who's gonna win out. But civilians like

4:23 Speaker 1: yourself have done tremendous work at looking at some of

4:26 Speaker 1: these cases and kind of extracting the truth to a degree.

4:32 Speaker 1: And Roswell is a huge, huge, huge case. Uh, it's

4:37 Speaker 1: it's obviously the most well known UFO crash and probably

4:42 Speaker 1: UFO case. So I mean, you've done a lot of

4:46 Speaker 1: work on it, and I just want to you know, uh,

4:48 Speaker 1: thank you for that, first of all, but I want

4:50 Speaker 1: to hear more about what you've you've uncovered.

4:54 Speaker 2: Okay, so and we can we can share screen whenever

4:57 Speaker 2: you want. But what I've been doing the last I'd

5:00 Speaker 2: say it's almost been four years now, as I've been

5:03 Speaker 2: doing a deep dive into the first ten military witnesses

5:09 Speaker 2: that were procured by Leonard Springfield. Over about a thirty

5:14 Speaker 2: year period. He collected dozens and dozens of first hand

5:17 Speaker 2: witnesses who guarded craft and hangars, who guarded et bodies

5:22 Speaker 2: and formelde hyde preservation liquid tubes underground facilities at Wright

5:27 Speaker 2: Patterson Air Force Base, also at Eggland Air Force Base.

5:30 Speaker 2: And you know, they absolutely do diversify their portfolio. So

5:35 Speaker 2: you've got at Edwards North Base Complex, You've got things

5:38 Speaker 2: at Homestead Airforce Base, you've got things at McDill Air

5:40 Speaker 2: Force Base, and these are the type of witnesses that

5:43 Speaker 2: I like to drill down on. And going through the

5:47 Speaker 2: book that Leonard had published, there's about one hundred and

5:50 Speaker 2: nineteen crush retieval cases there, and I like to just

5:53 Speaker 2: make the point that all we need is one of

5:55 Speaker 2: these to be correct. So these legacy witnesses that the

5:58 Speaker 2: numbers are in our face, absolutely in our.

6:01 Speaker 1: Favor, absolutely, and like you said, if just one of

6:07 Speaker 1: these cases is legit, then the implications for that are absolutely,

6:14 Speaker 1: they're they're wild, and it affects every single person on

6:18 Speaker 1: this planet absolutely absolutely.

6:21 Speaker 2: That's why during World War Two, this subject matter was

6:25 Speaker 2: classified higher than the atomic bomb. It was classified above

6:29 Speaker 2: top secret, and that's where Timothy Good got the name

6:32 Speaker 2: of his book, Above top secret. So when we talk

6:35 Speaker 2: about crash retrievals, and this is the literally everything, it's

6:42 Speaker 2: wrapped up in everything. All of this is the retrievals,

6:46 Speaker 2: the body, the debris, it's the holy grail that's going

6:49 Speaker 2: to be the vehicle that really manifests disclosure.

6:52 Speaker 1: Here absolutely, and I'd love you could share a screen

7:00 Speaker 1: absolutely whenever and we can get into the get into that.

7:06 Speaker 1: But the crash rechieval part is is it's not touchy.

7:13 Speaker 1: But many people or skeptics, if you will, well, we'll

7:17 Speaker 1: often say, if these craft are so advanced, and if

7:21 Speaker 1: they're coming from so far away, and they're you know,

7:24 Speaker 1: thousands and thousands of years ahead of us in intelligence,

7:27 Speaker 1: how are they crashing? And I find it an interesting question.

7:32 Speaker 1: It does perplex me that if they can traverse the

7:36 Speaker 1: cosmos or dimension app dimensions themselves, how are they crashing?

7:42 Speaker 1: And it just it leads me to think that there

7:45 Speaker 1: was a couple accidents and then we developed weaponry to

7:51 Speaker 1: bring them down.

7:55 Speaker 2: I think the best way to comment on that is

7:58 Speaker 2: what we're hearing about crashing is not necessarily motherships crashing,

8:03 Speaker 2: worrying about scout ships crashing. That's the first thing. And

8:06 Speaker 2: absolutely to go with what your further statement is there

8:10 Speaker 2: there absolutely appears to be a rogue element within the

8:13 Speaker 2: military industrial complex that is targeting, tracking, and shooting these

8:17 Speaker 2: things down to exploit their free energy systems and their

8:21 Speaker 2: weapons advancement technology. That appears to be what's going on here.

8:25 Speaker 1: Yes, so kin kind of like what David Grush said

8:29 Speaker 1: when you refer to a cold a secret cold war.

8:34 Speaker 2: A secret cold war. Yeah, no checks and balances, no

8:37 Speaker 2: public scrutiny, no congressional oversight. This is a whole different thing.

8:42 Speaker 2: This is outside the realm of the United States elected

8:46 Speaker 2: government officials. This is completely something else because the Senators

8:51 Speaker 2: and congressmen, the Arms House, Arms and Services Committee chairmen,

8:55 Speaker 2: they do not have access to this information. They don't

8:58 Speaker 2: have a high enough secure a clearance to get read

9:01 Speaker 2: in on these programs. And that's the problem we're running

9:04 Speaker 2: into associating these with congressional hearings.

9:09 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and and and you know, it's funny because

9:13 Speaker 1: I often think back upon the ass APP, just the

9:19 Speaker 1: ass APP program, just the three people that signed off

9:24 Speaker 1: on it. Uh Ted Stevens, who had seen a UFO.

9:28 Speaker 1: Daniel Innoway gives an incredible speech about a government that

9:34 Speaker 1: does a shadow government. And then Harry Harry Reid, who's

9:38 Speaker 1: longtime friends with Robert Bigelow, George Knapp and has an

9:43 Speaker 1: ongoing conversations about you know, UFOs and if they're not

9:47 Speaker 1: even read in, right, these are the these are the

9:51 Speaker 1: highest of the high the game.

9:55 Speaker 2: This is the crown Jewels here, we're dealing with the

9:57 Speaker 2: Crown Jewels. This is the varsity team we're dealing with here.

10:00 Speaker 2: These guys don't play around. This is for keeps, you know.

10:04 Speaker 1: This is for Do you think there's a possibility of

10:08 Speaker 1: such thing as like a secret space program?

10:11 Speaker 2: Absolutely, absolutely, without a doubt, without a doubt, because we've

10:15 Speaker 2: been spending one hundred million dollars per day on classified

10:20 Speaker 2: black programs during the Clinton administration. That was one hundred

10:23 Speaker 2: million dollars per day. We were blowing on all of.

10:26 Speaker 1: This stuff, right right, and and uh let's let's uh,

10:32 Speaker 1: let's get into your sure get into your powerpointing. I

10:35 Speaker 1: love the name, by the way, retrievals. Yeah, retrievals are

10:39 Speaker 1: the third kind cosmic.

10:42 Speaker 2: This is an homage to Leonard Springfield. So yes, let's

10:45 Speaker 2: go ahead and start here. Retrievals are the third kind

10:48 Speaker 2: cosmic crashes, corpses, and cover ups. We will continue on here. Uh.

10:53 Speaker 2: It is the holy grail of ufology. It absolutely is,

10:55 Speaker 2: because this this is the vehicle that is going to

10:59 Speaker 2: facilitate disclosure because within the crash retriebles, we've got the craft,

11:03 Speaker 2: we've got the bodies, and we've got the debris. And

11:06 Speaker 2: everybody knows that we don't need any more CE one cases.

11:10 Speaker 2: We don't need any more lights in the sky. Reports

11:12 Speaker 2: and citing we don't need that. We're decades beyond that.

11:15 Speaker 2: What we need now is nothing short of the physical hardware.

11:20 Speaker 2: That's the point where we're at right now. You know,

11:22 Speaker 2: everybody asked about the evidence and you need extraordinary evidence

11:27 Speaker 2: to support these claims. Well, it's true you do, and

11:30 Speaker 2: that's why the crash retrievals are really the most important.

11:34 Speaker 2: I won't go through all this here, but I'll just

11:36 Speaker 2: state that I want to kind of give people an

11:39 Speaker 2: idea of where Leonard got this information. So this is

11:43 Speaker 2: three star USO first generals, US Air Force fighter pilots, astronauts,

11:48 Speaker 2: commercial pilots, air traffic controllers, neurosurgeons, pathologists, theoretical physicists and mathematicians,

11:55 Speaker 2: US Army officers, US Navy officers, military police, high level

12:01 Speaker 2: Pentagon officials, top military brass scientists, and engineers who worked

12:06 Speaker 2: at Right Patterson Air Force Base and other government facilities.

12:09 Speaker 2: So this is just a brief overview of the very

12:13 Speaker 2: high level military first hand witnesses that Leonard dealt with

12:18 Speaker 2: to get his information. So this isn't just somebody saw something.

12:22 Speaker 2: This is an actual military personnel rank file number D

12:27 Speaker 2: two fourteen. These are documented sources here. Let's continue on

12:31 Speaker 2: a couple of quick quotes. Number one, UFO crash retrievals

12:35 Speaker 2: can't be real, because if they were, I would have

12:38 Speaker 2: read about in the local newspaper. That's number one. Number two,

12:41 Speaker 2: there are not now, nor ever have been any extraterrestrial

12:45 Speaker 2: visitors or equipment on Right Patterson Air Force Base. This

12:49 Speaker 2: is their press release, July nineteen eighty. That's what they're

12:52 Speaker 2: telling us. This is the official Air Force policy here.

12:55 Speaker 2: We've never had anything at Right Patterson. There's no bodies,

12:59 Speaker 2: there's no craft. So what we're going to do as

13:01 Speaker 2: we go through here is it's going to be Leonard

13:04 Speaker 2: Stringfield's first hand military witnesses up against the Air Force

13:09 Speaker 2: and their claim about their not being anything, and we're

13:11 Speaker 2: going to see who comes out on top. Here. This

13:14 Speaker 2: is the man of the hour. This is Leonard Stringfield.

13:18 Speaker 2: He is the originator who coined the term UFO crash

13:23 Speaker 2: or trible. It all goes back to Leonard Stringfield. So

13:25 Speaker 2: when you hear about all this stuff in congressional hearings

13:28 Speaker 2: and this recent report about crash for Tuble, it all

13:32 Speaker 2: filters back to Leonard Stringfield, and over a period of

13:36 Speaker 2: at least two decades he had compiled just dozens and

13:42 Speaker 2: dozens of these first hand military witnesses. This is what

13:44 Speaker 2: we want to talk about today. A couple of bio

13:47 Speaker 2: points here. He was born in nineteen twenty. He grew

13:51 Speaker 2: up in Cincinnati, Ohio. By the time he graduated from

13:55 Speaker 2: high school in nineteen thirty nine, he already memorized the

13:58 Speaker 2: entire dictionary. They gave him a nickname. He was called

14:01 Speaker 2: Webster because he literally remembered the entire dictionary. So if

14:07 Speaker 2: there was anyone on this planet that was qualified to

14:11 Speaker 2: take these reports, it was Leonard Springfield. He joined the

14:14 Speaker 2: military as soon as he heard about the attack on

14:16 Speaker 2: Pearl Harbor on December seventh, nineteen forty one. After the war,

14:21 Speaker 2: he was employed by a chemical company in Ohio. He

14:24 Speaker 2: retired after thirty years. Now. He wrote two books, Inside

14:28 Speaker 2: Saucer Post three Dish Serial back in nineteen fifty seven,

14:31 Speaker 2: Situation Read the UFO Siage back in nineteen seventy seven.

14:36 Speaker 2: The next point here is what we want to drill

14:38 Speaker 2: down on. His lecture on UFO Crasher Triebles at the

14:41 Speaker 2: nineteen seventy eight UFUND Symposium in Dayton, Ohio. Caused an

14:45 Speaker 2: international sensation, and the reason why is number one. Back

14:51 Speaker 2: in nineteen seventy eight, the whole concept of UFO Crasher

14:55 Speaker 2: tribles was a new entity back then, and number two

14:59 Speaker 2: is Leonard was given permission to maintain an important part

15:03 Speaker 2: of our national history by retelling these accounts from his witnesses.

15:08 Speaker 2: But the agreement was that their names had kept under wraps,

15:13 Speaker 2: and so there was absolutely pushback at the MUFIND symposium

15:17 Speaker 2: because nobody could independently verify these claims without the names,

15:22 Speaker 2: and so there was absolutely some pushback here. He passed

15:25 Speaker 2: away December eighteenth, nineteen ninety four, and all we have

15:29 Speaker 2: now left are his status reports, and we're going to

15:32 Speaker 2: continue on here. Cincinnati Inquirer, July nineteenth, nineteen ninety three.

15:38 Speaker 2: Author continues quest for truth about UFOs. Quote. What I've

15:44 Speaker 2: collected has staggering implications for mankind. This would be the

15:48 Speaker 2: biggest thing since Christ. Really it's a bold statement, but

15:52 Speaker 2: it's true. Even if one of these cases is authentic,

15:55 Speaker 2: it is the biggest thing. Absolutely, Let's continue on here.

15:59 Speaker 2: At one time, there were twenty two bank boxes of

16:03 Speaker 2: original drawings renderings. There were newspaper clippings there were handwritten notes,

16:11 Speaker 2: there were sketches by the first time witnesses. That information

16:14 Speaker 2: should be tracked down and brought within these congressional hearings

16:18 Speaker 2: will continue. Now for anyone who wants to follow along

16:22 Speaker 2: with this, I want to give you the page number,

16:25 Speaker 2: the case number, the reference of where I'm getting this information.

16:28 Speaker 2: This comes from Leonard's book UFO Crash Retriebles the Complete

16:33 Speaker 2: Investigation Status Reports one through seven. That's where I'm getting

16:38 Speaker 2: all of this information. So if you want to read

16:40 Speaker 2: all of the intricate details, how many bodies were recovered,

16:44 Speaker 2: what the flight suits looked at, how they shipped it

16:47 Speaker 2: to Wright Patterson Air Force Base, how many craft were

16:50 Speaker 2: that you know, these are the kind of details that

16:53 Speaker 2: are in this book. However, when you start paging through

16:56 Speaker 2: this book, you're going to find out that it's very heavy.

17:01 Speaker 2: It's all reading. It's not for the faint of heart.

17:04 Speaker 2: You have to have a real big interest in this subject.

17:08 Speaker 2: And there's no drawings, there's no photographs, there's no illustrations,

17:11 Speaker 2: so you're left with your own imagination to try to

17:15 Speaker 2: make up an idea of what these cases look like.

17:17 Speaker 2: So over the past four years, I've made it my

17:19 Speaker 2: crusade to commit these two refine drawings, and using those

17:25 Speaker 2: as a guide, I went to a full color rendering

17:27 Speaker 2: and that's what I want to go over with you tonight.

17:29 Speaker 1: Here.

17:30 Speaker 2: Also want to mention Magic Eyes Only by my good

17:33 Speaker 2: friend Ryan Wood. So within the Stringfield book that I

17:37 Speaker 2: just showed everybody, there's one hundred and nineteen crash retrieval cases.

17:41 Speaker 2: Ryan's book Earth's Encounters with Extraterrestrial Technology has an additional

17:47 Speaker 2: one hundred and four crash retrieval cases. So now we're

17:50 Speaker 2: pushing over two hundred. If we even knock out fifty

17:54 Speaker 2: of these, we're down to one fifty. We only need one.

17:57 Speaker 2: So the numbers are in our favor. I mean, it's

18:00 Speaker 2: at a point now where we can't lose, and that's

18:02 Speaker 2: why I want to take everyone to Las Vegas. Here,

18:04 Speaker 2: So we're going to take our trip to Las Vegas,

18:07 Speaker 2: and we're going to go to any one of these casinos,

18:10 Speaker 2: you can pick anyone. We'll go to a Roulette wheel

18:12 Speaker 2: and let's just say they have one hundred and twenty spaces,

18:15 Speaker 2: and we put down one hundred and nineteen chips representing

18:19 Speaker 2: our one hundred nineteen crash retrieval cases. You can kind

18:21 Speaker 2: of see where this is going. We can't lose. It's

18:25 Speaker 2: a mathematical certainty. We can almost not lose. All we

18:28 Speaker 2: need is one to be correct, and the whole concept

18:31 Speaker 2: of UFO crash retrieval non existence falls apart completely. So

18:35 Speaker 2: again the numbers are in our favor. Let's continue on.

18:38 Speaker 2: I want to give credit to Rudy Guardea for doing

18:40 Speaker 2: all the original sketch work for this presentation. Okay, why

18:44 Speaker 2: don't we start here. You were talking about pre roswell cases. Well,

18:48 Speaker 2: here's one right here. This is nineteen forty two. This

18:52 Speaker 2: is at an army base in north of Georgia. It's

18:55 Speaker 2: page three nineteen in Leonard's book. So if anyone in

18:58 Speaker 2: Congress wants to get more details, here's your source. There's

19:02 Speaker 2: the page number. What they described is when this craft

19:05 Speaker 2: came down, it augured into the side of the building.

19:08 Speaker 2: It ripped open a whole breach on the side of

19:10 Speaker 2: the craft itself. Now there were three levels. This thing

19:12 Speaker 2: is about fifteen feet in diameter, it's ten feet high.

19:16 Speaker 2: Rudy's drawn a detailed bubble view on the upper right

19:19 Speaker 2: hand corner. So the upper deck had this display panel.

19:24 Speaker 2: There were buttons and switches there. Now on the mid deck,

19:27 Speaker 2: which you can kind of see on Rudy's blow up here,

19:30 Speaker 2: there was a wrap around window. In back of that

19:33 Speaker 2: wrap around window was what looked like four barstools. The

19:36 Speaker 2: bottom deck had an entryway hatch. Now there were four

19:41 Speaker 2: crew members taken alive. They were about five feet tall,

19:43 Speaker 2: ninety pounds, large black eyes, milky white skin. This is

19:47 Speaker 2: all long before Roswell. Here now, according to the first

19:51 Speaker 2: ten military witness, there was a series of what looked

19:55 Speaker 2: like hieroglyphic writings written along the bottom circumference of the craft.

20:00 Speaker 2: I'm going to do a blow up here. This gives

20:03 Speaker 2: you an idea of what these may have looked like.

20:05 Speaker 2: These were absolutely seen not only on the bottom of

20:07 Speaker 2: the craft, but on the inside upper dome section of

20:11 Speaker 2: the craft itself. And so yet this seems.

20:16 Speaker 1: To be a theme, if you will, we look at

20:20 Speaker 1: like things like Rendelsham and Jim Peniston saying that it

20:26 Speaker 1: looked like Egyptian hilogrifts. I always mess that word up,

20:31 Speaker 1: hieroglyphs on on it, and it's I find that to

20:36 Speaker 1: be very very interesting and at least a commonality that

20:40 Speaker 1: we can, you know, start to draw maybe some conclusions to.

20:45 Speaker 2: Begin because this iconology and markings pops up on at

20:52 Speaker 2: least seven or eight other cases where we've got writing

20:55 Speaker 2: on the inside wall of the craft itself. So by

20:59 Speaker 2: the fault, what I believe this means is there has

21:03 Speaker 2: to be a trans national team of linguistic experts and

21:08 Speaker 2: engineers trying to decipher and encode, decode what these symbols mean.

21:13 Speaker 2: There has to be they've got to have multiple three

21:16 Speaker 2: ring binders of this. So that's something that I always

21:19 Speaker 2: keep in mind here that's got to be going on here.

21:21 Speaker 2: So this is kind of my first past color illustration

21:24 Speaker 2: of what this may have looked like recovered back in

21:27 Speaker 2: nineteen forty two. Something like this was recovered back in

21:32 Speaker 2: nineteen forty two, long before Roswell. Let's continue on, go ahead.

21:36 Speaker 1: So you're saying, I'm just to clarify for anyone. So

21:41 Speaker 1: did it say that the crash happened at the base,

21:46 Speaker 1: or it would happen somewhere in North Georgia and it

21:49 Speaker 1: was taken to a base.

21:51 Speaker 2: It happened on an army base north of Georgia that

21:54 Speaker 2: even Leonard didn't know. He could not get that information

21:57 Speaker 2: and it literally augured into the side of the buildings

22:00 Speaker 2: there and ripped open the hole on the side of

22:03 Speaker 2: the craft that's talked about in the report.

22:05 Speaker 1: Okay, so that was that was at the army base.

22:08 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, at the army base.

22:10 Speaker 1: Yeah.

22:10 Speaker 2: It was not brought there. It came down there.

22:13 Speaker 1: Yes, Yeah, another commonality.

22:16 Speaker 2: That's how. That's how that one went down. Now, this

22:18 Speaker 2: is one's interesting. This is right Field, Dayton, Ohio. And

22:21 Speaker 2: we're calling it right Field because back in nineteen forty six,

22:26 Speaker 2: the US Air Force didn't exist back then, so it

22:28 Speaker 2: was known as right Field, Dayton, Ohio back in nineteen

22:32 Speaker 2: forty six. We've got two witnesses on this case. One

22:35 Speaker 2: is an AVIONX mechanic and his six year old son,

22:38 Speaker 2: Tex Martin. So we've got two witnesses. This is page

22:41 Speaker 2: two forty two to two forty three in the book.

22:44 Speaker 2: Now what you're looking at here is a period correct

22:48 Speaker 2: photograph of Hanger Complex number four. It still exists today.

22:53 Speaker 2: The major hangar on the far right hand side that

22:55 Speaker 2: you see here, this is Hangar bay E. I've actually

22:57 Speaker 2: been inside this hangar before. I'm going to blow this

23:00 Speaker 2: up a little bit and our witness six year old

23:05 Speaker 2: tex Martin. He joined his father one day at right

23:09 Speaker 2: field day no how, because he was getting really good grades,

23:12 Speaker 2: his father invited him along. So he came along and

23:15 Speaker 2: they're in an adjoining cafeteria to that main hangar there,

23:20 Speaker 2: and there was this basically someone who is cleaning things up.

23:27 Speaker 2: I guess you could call him a janitor. He kind

23:29 Speaker 2: of thought that he wanted to buy this little boy

23:33 Speaker 2: a little soda here. The boy asked his father if

23:36 Speaker 2: it would be okay. He gave permissions, so this janitor

23:39 Speaker 2: hands this six year old boy of soda. And second

23:42 Speaker 2: he did that, this doorway opened up that was going

23:47 Speaker 2: right inside the main hangar. I'm going to go on

23:49 Speaker 2: to the next slide here and you can see our

23:51 Speaker 2: primary eye witness. As the door was opened up, we

23:54 Speaker 2: had a military police guard walk through. This little boy

23:58 Speaker 2: looked inside this because he was at the right place

24:01 Speaker 2: at the right time, he got a sneak peek inside there.

24:04 Speaker 2: What did he see? First of all, he said he

24:08 Speaker 2: saw two eighteen wheeler tractor trailer low boy trucks with

24:12 Speaker 2: unknown tarp debris. On the other side of that, there

24:15 Speaker 2: was about an eighteen foot diameter dish shaped craft with

24:18 Speaker 2: two rings wrapped around the outer circumference. It had tripod

24:21 Speaker 2: landing your legs. It was off white in color. And

24:24 Speaker 2: then he said there there was approximately three et bodies

24:27 Speaker 2: laying on the floor on stretchers, half covered up. This

24:31 Speaker 2: is coming from this witness, and his father saw this

24:34 Speaker 2: as well, so we don't have to rely on the

24:36 Speaker 2: testimony of a six year old boy. His father saw

24:39 Speaker 2: this as well. So let's go on to the next

24:42 Speaker 2: drawing here, and this is kind of a reverse image.

24:45 Speaker 2: So we've done one hundred and eighty degrees and you

24:47 Speaker 2: can see our primary eyewitness peeking through the door in

24:50 Speaker 2: the background, and you've got the tractor trailers, you've got

24:53 Speaker 2: the tarp debris, they've got chains connecting the tarps. You've

24:56 Speaker 2: got the bodies on the ground. So what we're doing

24:58 Speaker 2: here on this drawing is roughing everything out. We're getting

25:02 Speaker 2: all the monuments in place, and then I'm going to

25:04 Speaker 2: go to Rudy's refined drawing, and now this is all

25:08 Speaker 2: coming into view. Now you can kind of get an

25:10 Speaker 2: idea of what this looked like. So this thing was

25:11 Speaker 2: twenty feet in diameter, It had two rings wrapped around

25:15 Speaker 2: the outer circumference, sitting on tripod, landing your legs, and

25:19 Speaker 2: then you've got the et bodies in the foreground laying

25:22 Speaker 2: on the hangar floor on stretchers. This is what was

25:24 Speaker 2: described by not only Tex Martin, but his father saw

25:28 Speaker 2: it as well. Now he was reprimanded for all of this.

25:30 Speaker 2: He got in trouble big time. But we do have

25:33 Speaker 2: their names, we do have their testimony within the Streamfield collection.

25:37 Speaker 2: So what we want to do now, We're going to

25:40 Speaker 2: take Rudy's drawing as a guide as a template. Follow

25:44 Speaker 2: this closely. We'll come up with a full color rendering

25:47 Speaker 2: by Joel Christopher Pain. And this is what we came

25:49 Speaker 2: up with just to make this come alive. And we

25:52 Speaker 2: want to preserve an important part of our national history.

25:55 Speaker 2: And you know, we're a couple in here now and

25:58 Speaker 2: we haven't even got to Roswell yet. Okay, so let's

26:00 Speaker 2: continue on. Go ahead.

26:02 Speaker 1: That is a I mean, right right Field has long

26:09 Speaker 1: been suspected of being a destination of this material. Inevitably.

26:17 Speaker 1: Uh So, no matter what case it is, you know,

26:22 Speaker 1: whether it's Roswell or or something similar, it seems that

26:28 Speaker 1: right Patterson seems to always get involved somehow. So I'm wondering,

26:34 Speaker 1: do we think that this case was a craft. This

26:37 Speaker 1: one didn't just you know, come through the hangar, right

26:39 Speaker 1: pat it was it looks like it was bust in.

26:43 Speaker 2: It was. It was brought in. It was brought in.

26:45 Speaker 2: And to kind of go along the line of what

26:46 Speaker 2: we were just talking about here, the reason why craft

26:51 Speaker 2: in the forties and fifties and sixties were brought to

26:53 Speaker 2: right Patterson Air Force Base for a number of reasons.

26:56 Speaker 2: Number one, they have the Aero Medical Lab there, so

26:59 Speaker 2: they can test the bodies, they can test the tissue samples,

27:03 Speaker 2: they can investigate the autopsy reports. Number two is they

27:08 Speaker 2: have the Foreign Technology Division there so they can test

27:10 Speaker 2: the tensile strength of the metals and the material. So

27:14 Speaker 2: it makes sense that they would ship things to write

27:16 Speaker 2: Patterson Air Force Base. Yes, okay, so we'll continue on

27:21 Speaker 2: here now, same location, same date in nineteen forty six. However,

27:26 Speaker 2: in this case, our witness was a private and w

27:29 Speaker 2: records management and the source for this is space The

27:33 Speaker 2: Final Frontier, page fifty nine by Clark McClellan. I'm going

27:36 Speaker 2: to show you the cover of the book. This is

27:38 Speaker 2: what the cover of the book looks like. So if

27:40 Speaker 2: anyone wants to follow along, this is where I'm getting

27:43 Speaker 2: the information. Now within the book is this sketch from

27:47 Speaker 2: the primary eyewitness. Now, this thing came in to right Field, Dayton, Ohio,

27:52 Speaker 2: from Arkansas on a railroad flatcar. So they shipped this

27:56 Speaker 2: thing all the way from Arkansas to write Patterson Air

27:59 Speaker 2: Air Force known as right Field. Now I want to

28:02 Speaker 2: mention that this thing was fifteen feet in diameter. It

28:05 Speaker 2: was seven feet tall, highly polished, mirror reflective exterior, no

28:10 Speaker 2: visible seams, no wells, no socket head capscures, no fasteners

28:16 Speaker 2: of any kind, no he's head fasteners, no rivets. This

28:22 Speaker 2: thing was very highly polished. It had a series go ahead.

28:27 Speaker 2: I had a series of rectangular windows wrapped around the

28:29 Speaker 2: outer circumference of the craft itself. Again, this thing is

28:32 Speaker 2: fifteen feet in diaminald. Let me go to the next slide. Here,

28:35 Speaker 2: here's my AutoCAD drawing that kind of shows you the

28:38 Speaker 2: layout of this thing. Now, if you look on the

28:40 Speaker 2: upper right, what I've done is I've peeled back the

28:43 Speaker 2: skin that shows you this central column that was three

28:47 Speaker 2: feet in diameter. It started at the bottom of the craft,

28:49 Speaker 2: went through the midpoint terminating at the roof of the

28:52 Speaker 2: top of the craft itself. Now, if you look closely

28:56 Speaker 2: here to the left of center, one window left of

29:01 Speaker 2: center in my bottom drawing here, you'll see there's a

29:04 Speaker 2: red dot that is the attempted point of entry with

29:08 Speaker 2: diamond tip drill bits. And this comes up three times

29:12 Speaker 2: within the stringfield collection where you have these white lab

29:15 Speaker 2: coat technicians that are desperately trying to breach these craft

29:20 Speaker 2: with diamond tip drill bits, and they can't do it,

29:23 Speaker 2: they cannot get inside. And what comes up at least

29:26 Speaker 2: three times.

29:27 Speaker 1: Can you, just for anyone who doesn't know, can you

29:30 Speaker 1: explain the importance of why diamond tip drills and not

29:35 Speaker 1: being able to get through means anything.

29:37 Speaker 2: Well, think about this. What if you could have an aircraft,

29:41 Speaker 2: for instance, a third generation, fourth generation stealth fighter aircraft

29:46 Speaker 2: that you reversed engineer the metallurgical technology, something that was

29:50 Speaker 2: recovered back in the nineteen forties that could not be dented,

29:54 Speaker 2: could not be burned, could not be damaged in any

29:57 Speaker 2: way by a sixteen pound sledgehammer as light as a feather.

30:01 Speaker 2: If you made your aircraft out of that, you would

30:03 Speaker 2: rule the skies. And that appears to be what has

30:06 Speaker 2: been done.

30:06 Speaker 1: Here, diamond diamond being the the krim dela krim of

30:13 Speaker 1: of of drill tips. It is you're using the only

30:18 Speaker 1: way to break into a or cut through another metal

30:23 Speaker 1: is to use a stronger alloy metal sure or or

30:27 Speaker 1: or you know, you keep going up in that scale,

30:30 Speaker 1: diamond being the the pinnacle of strength, and they can't

30:35 Speaker 1: breach the hull with diamond diamond drill.

30:40 Speaker 2: It's it's very clear in the report that they had

30:42 Speaker 2: multiple teams of white lab coat technicians. They probably started

30:47 Speaker 2: out with stainless steel drill bits, but the snapped, They

30:51 Speaker 2: snapped and broke, and they got dull and they said,

30:54 Speaker 2: you know what, we need something a lot harder, something

30:57 Speaker 2: that can pierce metals. And they tried that and it failed.

31:01 Speaker 2: They could not get inside. That's the case on this one. Here.

31:04 Speaker 2: I'm going to go on to the next slide. Here,

31:05 Speaker 2: this is my very first past kindergarten level illustration to

31:10 Speaker 2: give you an idea what this thing may have looked like,

31:13 Speaker 2: just kind of roughing it out here. I'm going to

31:15 Speaker 2: go to the next slide. Now, here's Joseph Race's full

31:19 Speaker 2: color runnering, much better than mine. But he's got everything

31:22 Speaker 2: correct here. He's peeled back the skin which shows you

31:25 Speaker 2: this three foot diamond or central column. Now, there were

31:29 Speaker 2: no seats in this thing. There were no display panels

31:32 Speaker 2: in this This could have been a drone, we don't know.

31:34 Speaker 2: But again they could not get inside of this particular craft.

31:38 Speaker 2: And he's got the red dot on the left of

31:40 Speaker 2: center as well. So let's continue on here. So here's

31:44 Speaker 2: Rudy's drawing. So this private records management. He goes into

31:49 Speaker 2: the hangar because he has to deliver a letter to

31:51 Speaker 2: one of the high level military brasses there. He's met

31:54 Speaker 2: by his friend who's a guard there, and this guy says,

31:57 Speaker 2: come here, I got something I want to show you.

31:59 Speaker 2: So he brings them into the hangar kind of in

32:01 Speaker 2: the back of the hangar, and this craft is just

32:04 Speaker 2: sitting on the hanger floor. Now off to the right,

32:07 Speaker 2: he said that there was a tarp that was partially

32:09 Speaker 2: folded up in the foreground. There was an open toolbox

32:13 Speaker 2: with an electric drill and a diamond tip drill bit.

32:15 Speaker 2: And so that's where we're getting the whole concept here.

32:18 Speaker 2: And this pops up multiple times, this whole thing about

32:22 Speaker 2: diamond tip drill bits pops up multiple times within the

32:26 Speaker 2: Stringfield collection. So what we want to do now is

32:29 Speaker 2: we'll take Rudy's drawing as a guide and I want

32:32 Speaker 2: to take you inside this hangar in a three D

32:35 Speaker 2: world here and see if we can make this come alive.

32:38 Speaker 2: And this is what we came up with. Something like

32:41 Speaker 2: this was seen at right Field, Dayton, Ohio back in

32:44 Speaker 2: nineteen forty six. It could still be there today. I

32:47 Speaker 2: don't know. I'd love to go there and see, just

32:49 Speaker 2: like all the rest of us, because we've been paying

32:52 Speaker 2: for this.

32:53 Speaker 1: Right right these programs. And that's the problem. What do

32:56 Speaker 1: you think of I mean the program and I don't

33:02 Speaker 1: mean to cut you off here, but the community. I

33:06 Speaker 1: I kind of told you about this when we talked

33:07 Speaker 1: on the phone. The program name Michael Schellenberger spoke about

33:14 Speaker 1: being immaculate constellation. And it kind of makes sense because

33:21 Speaker 1: I don't know if you ever talked to Diana Posoka,

33:23 Speaker 1: but her contact that she named in American Cosmic as

33:27 Speaker 1: Tyler who works for NASA. I mean he talks about

33:32 Speaker 1: all the essolteric backgrounds behind NASA. I mean we know

33:37 Speaker 1: Operation paper Clip, uh, you know, to to to bring

33:42 Speaker 1: the Nazi scientists over here and and convert the the

33:47 Speaker 1: what is it the rocketry? Uh, and and to incorporate

33:50 Speaker 1: into the space program. There's a lot of weird stuff

33:53 Speaker 1: going on there. But Tyler also claims that these crash

33:58 Speaker 1: retrievals they view them as quote unquote gifts. So a

34:03 Speaker 1: program name like Immaculate Constellation having a biblical set meaning

34:09 Speaker 1: and like a gift from the gods kind of feel

34:14 Speaker 1: it just goes I feel like it goes together. So

34:16 Speaker 1: do you do you make anything of that?

34:18 Speaker 2: Do you think, well, you know, they they could be

34:20 Speaker 2: hand me downs, They could be hand me downs. This

34:23 Speaker 2: could have been a drone, So yeah, that's possible. And

34:26 Speaker 2: the whole reference to constellation, obviously it's pointing toward the

34:30 Speaker 2: stars as being the origin point for all of this,

34:33 Speaker 2: so that checks out as well.

34:35 Speaker 1: I just I find it to be interesting because I

34:38 Speaker 1: don't know whether I'm being fed disinformation through you know,

34:47 Speaker 1: the quote unquote UFO whistleblowers who've gone through the dobts

34:51 Speaker 1: or process. Right, It's like, okay, when is a whistleblower

34:55 Speaker 1: a whistleblower? I mean, is Louelizondo a whistleblower? I don't

35:00 Speaker 1: necessarily think so, because you know, he even says it

35:05 Speaker 1: himself that he'll protect national security at any cost, that

35:09 Speaker 1: he still works with the government. David Grush also says

35:12 Speaker 1: these things. So I just always try to be clear

35:16 Speaker 1: about I mean, we have to be careful about what

35:20 Speaker 1: we perceive as truth from the official narratives that are

35:25 Speaker 1: given to us. And like you said, you're just going

35:29 Speaker 1: through a list of crash retrievals. If even one of

35:31 Speaker 1: these happened, game over.

35:36 Speaker 2: And that's the beauty of the Stringfield collection, because we

35:39 Speaker 2: don't have to rely on one witness, We don't have

35:42 Speaker 2: to rely on a lone wolf. What we're seeing here

35:46 Speaker 2: is multiple similar characteristics from different witnesses that all have

35:53 Speaker 2: this common denominator. For instance, the diamond tip drill bits,

35:57 Speaker 2: we've got the writing, you know, some of the man

36:00 Speaker 2: made craft. They've got tubes, pipes, and cylinders on the

36:03 Speaker 2: bottom of the craft. So we don't have to rely

36:05 Speaker 2: on one person. And these people, even though they don't

36:08 Speaker 2: know each other, they're independently verifying the cases through these

36:13 Speaker 2: different witnesses. So that's the beauty of the Springfield collection here. Now,

36:17 Speaker 2: who would have a need to know back in forty

36:19 Speaker 2: six forty seven timeframe. This is a letter from Nathan

36:23 Speaker 2: Twining to Air Force Brigadier General George Shuligan, September twenty third,

36:28 Speaker 2: nineteen forty seven. He says the phenomenon reported is something

36:31 Speaker 2: real and not visionary or fictitious. Later on in this

36:35 Speaker 2: document he talks about the flight path of these vehicles,

36:40 Speaker 2: the formation of the craft. It's a very interesting historical document.

36:45 Speaker 2: So this would have been a gentleman who probably had

36:47 Speaker 2: a need to know back in forty seven timeframe. All right,

36:50 Speaker 2: we're going to go onto the next case here, Papaco's

36:53 Speaker 2: Indian Reservation west of Globe, Arizona, January nineteen forty seven.

36:57 Speaker 2: We're still not at Roswell yet. This is of Superstition Mountains.

37:02 Speaker 2: The primary eyewitness served in the US Navy during World

37:05 Speaker 2: War Two. This is page ninety three in Leonard's book

37:08 Speaker 2: Case A ten. I'm going to take you to the

37:11 Speaker 2: next slide here, and this is Ruby's strowing. So you've

37:14 Speaker 2: got two personnel. They're energy. They're going down this unimproved

37:18 Speaker 2: road not too far from the Superstition Mountains, and they

37:22 Speaker 2: come across two military police. They're armed, they're challenged and

37:27 Speaker 2: stopped immediately. They're told you're not supposed to be here,

37:31 Speaker 2: get out of here immediately. And they were at the

37:33 Speaker 2: right place at the right time, at the very initial

37:36 Speaker 2: stages of a retrieval operation. They got to see it all.

37:40 Speaker 2: Off to the left, another fifty feet down this unimproved

37:43 Speaker 2: road was about a thirty foot diamond or dish shaped craft.

37:46 Speaker 2: It augured in at about a thirty five degree angle.

37:49 Speaker 2: It had two rings wrapped around the outer circumference of

37:52 Speaker 2: the craft itself. There was an indented windows wrapped around

37:55 Speaker 2: the outer circumference and a low rise dome on top,

37:58 Speaker 2: and they saw all of this is in the report.

38:01 Speaker 2: We've got the page number. So what we want to

38:03 Speaker 2: do now is use this as a template. We'll go

38:06 Speaker 2: to the full color rendering. And this is what we

38:09 Speaker 2: came up with just to kind of make this case

38:11 Speaker 2: come alive back in nineteen forty seven. So if we

38:14 Speaker 2: had senators and congressmen who could be read in on

38:19 Speaker 2: this and actually had some teeth and some power to

38:24 Speaker 2: run this to ground, we could get the documents on this.

38:29 Speaker 2: We can get the photographic documentation in the form of

38:32 Speaker 2: eight by ten glossy black and white photographs they've probably

38:35 Speaker 2: got motion picture film reil of this, so these things

38:39 Speaker 2: could actually be runderground. Let's go to the next one.

38:41 Speaker 1: Go ahead, just to be clear, Just to be clear,

38:45 Speaker 1: if I was the government, I mean, if I was

38:47 Speaker 1: the military and that thing is sticking out of the ground,

38:54 Speaker 1: I am taking pictures, I am taking video. And my

39:03 Speaker 1: my problem with with all of this is what what

39:07 Speaker 1: if we're dealing with something like you know, well it

39:10 Speaker 1: seems that we are dealing with it, but that all

39:13 Speaker 1: of these crafts have gone to private aerospace and that's

39:18 Speaker 1: how they keep them out of the public sector.

39:21 Speaker 2: Well done, well done.

39:22 Speaker 1: Right, So that I mean, how do you how do you?

39:25 Speaker 1: I mean Eisenhower literally stood there a military general who

39:30 Speaker 1: who ordered Normandy warning us about the military industrial complex, right?

39:36 Speaker 1: And how how, how how powerful they could become and

39:40 Speaker 1: with the technology I'm seeing in the ground right there.

39:43 Speaker 1: Mm hmmm, if if, if it's true, they would be

39:48 Speaker 1: the all powerful.

39:50 Speaker 2: Correct right ified above top secret?

39:55 Speaker 1: Ye? Right? Do you think Oppenheimer? Do you think Oppenheimer

39:59 Speaker 1: knew about UFOs?

40:02 Speaker 2: I believe so, and I believe the AEC, in conjunction

40:06 Speaker 2: with the United States Navy was kind of the originators

40:11 Speaker 2: of running the cover up. These two entities together, the

40:14 Speaker 2: Atomic Energy Commission the United States Navy were definitely involved

40:18 Speaker 2: in this, without a doubt, without a doubt. Now we

40:22 Speaker 2: talk about the craft here, what I like to do

40:24 Speaker 2: as a side project is, obviously I want to track

40:28 Speaker 2: down where the bodies went. I want to track down

40:32 Speaker 2: where the craft went, but I also want to track

40:35 Speaker 2: down what happened to the debris and the hardware. So

40:38 Speaker 2: within the reports from the Stringfield collection, there's a mention

40:43 Speaker 2: of something called Foot Brothers Gear and Machine Company. There's

40:47 Speaker 2: a one page notation. I'm going to just go over

40:49 Speaker 2: this real quickly. Here, according to Robert Helmold, Foot Brothers

40:53 Speaker 2: Gear and Machine Company of Chicago conducted metallurgical analysis on

40:58 Speaker 2: pieces from a saucer or that crash in Arizona back

41:02 Speaker 2: in nineteen forty seven. Now it could be the case

41:04 Speaker 2: we just talked about. So here we've got this gear

41:07 Speaker 2: company that allegedly got this debris. So of course I

41:11 Speaker 2: started digging. I wanted to look at the background of

41:14 Speaker 2: what this company does. You know, who are they, what

41:16 Speaker 2: did they do, what do they manufacture? So let's go

41:19 Speaker 2: to Chicago Tribune, January fifteenth, nineteen fifty five. It says

41:24 Speaker 2: it makes gears as large as twenty one feet in

41:27 Speaker 2: diameter and weighing forty five thousand pounds, and others small

41:31 Speaker 2: enough to put on a watch chain. Its gears are

41:34 Speaker 2: found on airplanes of all types, including jets and helicopters.

41:38 Speaker 2: In a year, it will make thousands of different gears

41:41 Speaker 2: for use by industry. So if the United States military

41:45 Speaker 2: recovered something back in nineteen forty seven, and they really

41:50 Speaker 2: weren't sure what they were looking at, but they had

41:53 Speaker 2: a small arch radius of material that might have some

41:56 Speaker 2: teeth on it, they'd be sending it to this company.

41:59 Speaker 2: So this checks out. They'd be sending it to this

42:02 Speaker 2: expert company that manufactures gears of all sizes. It makes sense.

42:07 Speaker 2: Hendrick's Commercial Register, nineteen oh nine. You can kind of

42:11 Speaker 2: see the types of gears that this Foot Brothers Gear

42:15 Speaker 2: Machine company actually makes. Let's do one more here, the

42:18 Speaker 2: purchasing agent, May nineteen twenty three. These are the gears

42:22 Speaker 2: that this place makes. So yes, it absolutely is consistent

42:26 Speaker 2: with the location where you want to send some debris

42:30 Speaker 2: of unknown origin to see if they could reverse engineer

42:32 Speaker 2: the technology. It completely makes sense, all right. Next one

42:36 Speaker 2: white Sands missile Range, July fourth, nineteen forty seven. The

42:41 Speaker 2: primary witness was a technical sergeant in US Army Air Force.

42:46 Speaker 2: This is page one ninety six and Leonard's book. So

42:48 Speaker 2: if anyone wants to follow along and get all the details,

42:52 Speaker 2: it's page one ninety six in the book. So we'll

42:54 Speaker 2: go to the next slide. When this thing came down,

42:57 Speaker 2: I should mention it was completely at night. This was larage.

43:01 Speaker 2: This thing was one hundred and fifty feet in diameter,

43:03 Speaker 2: tipped up at about a twenty degree angle. Again, this

43:07 Speaker 2: is at night. This thing was excruciatingly well lit. They

43:12 Speaker 2: had light alls, they had spotlights, they had search lights

43:15 Speaker 2: on this thing. They had people with Geiger counters walking

43:19 Speaker 2: around this thing checking to see if it was radioactive.

43:22 Speaker 2: They had people with still cameras taking photographs. They had

43:27 Speaker 2: other picture people with motion picture film real cameras. So

43:31 Speaker 2: this was all documented on film. They got this one.

43:33 Speaker 2: They absolutely got this one documented. So let's go to

43:36 Speaker 2: the next slide. Here this is the full color rendering

43:40 Speaker 2: of what this may have looked like at White Sands

43:43 Speaker 2: when this thing actually came down. Now, what is the

43:46 Speaker 2: actionable item that we want to take away? On this

43:49 Speaker 2: particular case. So since still photography and motion picture film

43:54 Speaker 2: was recorded of this event, Senators and congressmen with the

43:58 Speaker 2: appropriate security clearances should try down and utilize this evidence

44:02 Speaker 2: for future public hearings. And we hope, we pray that

44:06 Speaker 2: this information could be included in next month's congressional hearings. However,

44:12 Speaker 2: the problem we're running into is number one, the senators

44:15 Speaker 2: and congressmen do not have a high enough security clearance

44:19 Speaker 2: to access as information and they have not been read

44:22 Speaker 2: into these programs. So how can they talk about this?

44:26 Speaker 2: How can they get access to this if they don't

44:29 Speaker 2: have a high enough security clearance. That is the brick

44:32 Speaker 2: wall we're running into in Congress.

44:34 Speaker 1: Right, because they see these people as temporary employees, right,

44:39 Speaker 1: I mean the president what what? What was the last

44:44 Speaker 1: president that you think do anything past the surface of

44:50 Speaker 1: UFOs that was read?

44:53 Speaker 2: Probably Bush Senior, but.

44:57 Speaker 1: My guess as well. But yeah, interesting.

45:02 Speaker 2: Okay, let's continue on here, all right. UFO crash retrieval

45:07 Speaker 2: nineteen forty seven, seen at a warehouse at Berkeley University.

45:12 Speaker 2: Believe it or not, we have the name Albert Bruce Collins,

45:16 Speaker 2: now deceased. He was a metallurgical engineer. It's page one

45:20 Speaker 2: ninety seven in the book. So here we've got this

45:22 Speaker 2: metallurgical engineer. He's at the right place at the right

45:25 Speaker 2: time when this eighteen wheeler tractor trailer low boy trucks

45:29 Speaker 2: come backing into the warehouse at Berkeley University. Now, what

45:33 Speaker 2: did he see. Let's go to the next slide. Here

45:36 Speaker 2: is what he said that he saw within the report. Now,

45:38 Speaker 2: this thing was thirty feet across. It looked like it

45:41 Speaker 2: was egg shaped. It was fifteen feet high. He said

45:45 Speaker 2: it literally looked like a cracked egg because there was

45:47 Speaker 2: a hull breaching on the side of the craft, showing

45:50 Speaker 2: you the interior, which was a thirty six inch diameter

45:54 Speaker 2: central core or egg yoke that was cylindrical, more of

45:58 Speaker 2: a beach ball type. Now, on the forward section of

46:01 Speaker 2: the craft there was a composite panel. There was another

46:04 Speaker 2: composite panel that wrapped around the outer circumference of this

46:08 Speaker 2: interior yoke. And he also said that on the bottom

46:11 Speaker 2: right of the craft there was a whole breach with

46:14 Speaker 2: debris and shrapnel pointing out. So we believe there was

46:18 Speaker 2: an interior implosion within this craft. So now, yep, that's

46:25 Speaker 2: how this went down. Because it was pointing out, so

46:29 Speaker 2: something was going on. There might have been a whole

46:31 Speaker 2: breach and implosions. Something was going on. This thing is

46:33 Speaker 2: about thirty feet across as it's being backed in. I'm

46:36 Speaker 2: going to go to the next slide. This gives you

46:38 Speaker 2: an idea of what pulled into Berkeley University warehouse back

46:42 Speaker 2: in nineteen forty seven. It could still be there today.

46:45 Speaker 2: So Congressman, Senators, House Armed Services Committee members should be

46:52 Speaker 2: tracking this down. We've got the paperwork on this, all right,

46:56 Speaker 2: let's continue on here. We'll go to the next one.

46:59 Speaker 2: Carrett Pas, south of Salinas, California, July August nineteen forty seven.

47:05 Speaker 2: This was seen by two nineteen year old workers. I

47:08 Speaker 2: mean they're literally in a carrot patch the night prior

47:12 Speaker 2: to this craft came down. It was found by the

47:15 Speaker 2: foreman when the two boys ended up showing up for

47:18 Speaker 2: work next morning. The foreman walked over to these two

47:21 Speaker 2: boys and said, hey, I think you've got to take

47:23 Speaker 2: a look at this. So he alerted the two nineteen

47:25 Speaker 2: year old workers. I'm going to go to the next

47:27 Speaker 2: slide here, and this is what they saw. This is

47:29 Speaker 2: from the original string Field dictation notes the original sketch

47:34 Speaker 2: nine feet in diameter, a double row of indented windows

47:37 Speaker 2: wrapped around the outter circumference, a flat top four feet tall.

47:41 Speaker 2: This was not a large craft by any means. Now,

47:43 Speaker 2: what's unique about this case, very unique actually is X

47:49 Speaker 2: marks the spot we've actually got a map of where

47:53 Speaker 2: this thing came down. You can see Gonzalez there. You've

47:56 Speaker 2: got the freeway off to the left. We've got Monterey.

48:00 Speaker 2: But I could probably take you and it's kind of

48:02 Speaker 2: running just east of the one oh one here. Back

48:07 Speaker 2: in nineteen forty seven when this thing came down, I

48:09 Speaker 2: could probably take you within plus or minus two hundred

48:13 Speaker 2: feet where this came down. We could be at the

48:16 Speaker 2: site where this thing came down if we had this

48:19 Speaker 2: map back at that time. But yeah, in this case,

48:22 Speaker 2: we do have the actual map. So here's my first

48:25 Speaker 2: past kind of AutoCAD drawing to show you what this

48:27 Speaker 2: thing looks like. This was not a large craft, about

48:30 Speaker 2: four feet tall, nine feet in diameter. Here is the

48:33 Speaker 2: first past solid works rendering, just to give you an idea. Now,

48:37 Speaker 2: this whole concept of double row of indented windows that

48:41 Speaker 2: pops up in about three of the first.

48:45 Speaker 1: I was gonna say, we're seeing some common themes in

48:48 Speaker 1: the craft.

48:49 Speaker 2: We are, yes, we are so in.

48:52 Speaker 1: The windows, structure and how it just the craft. They

48:57 Speaker 1: all have very similar features and it's actually interesting. It's

49:04 Speaker 1: interests me.

49:05 Speaker 2: It's popping up. And so that's why it's so important

49:08 Speaker 2: to look at the common denominator and this tapestry that

49:12 Speaker 2: runs through all these cases, because they're self confirming even

49:16 Speaker 2: though they're separated by time and space. So here's Rudy's

49:19 Speaker 2: drawing what this look like back in forty seven. Now,

49:23 Speaker 2: one of these nineteen year old workers, he got enough

49:26 Speaker 2: courage to walk over and he kicked the side of

49:29 Speaker 2: this thing. He made contact with this Within five minutes,

49:33 Speaker 2: there was a convoy of military vehicles that arrived on site.

49:37 Speaker 2: There were two jeeps. There was a six by six

49:39 Speaker 2: covered troop transport throwing a trailer. They were told to

49:45 Speaker 2: evacuate the area, so they walked about another eighth mile

49:49 Speaker 2: down the road, but they were close enough to see

49:51 Speaker 2: the entire operation. They saw the military personnel man handle

49:57 Speaker 2: this craft, put it onto the trailer. They covered it

50:00 Speaker 2: with a tart, put chains over the tarp, and moved

50:03 Speaker 2: it out of the location. So they they got to

50:06 Speaker 2: see the entire retrieval operation. So we're going to take

50:09 Speaker 2: this drawing from Rudy. We'll use it as a guide.

50:12 Speaker 2: We'll go to the full color rendering. This is what

50:14 Speaker 2: we came up with. So this is Selina's California UFO

50:18 Speaker 2: crash retrieval and they probably have this in a warehouse,

50:22 Speaker 2: maybe at Wright Patterson Air Force Base, who knows, who knows.

50:27 Speaker 1: So when he kicked this craft, yep, was there anything

50:33 Speaker 1: else to come out of that, because you know, we

50:35 Speaker 1: hear about people who get too close to these things.

50:39 Speaker 2: No, there are problems. No other response. So that was it.

50:42 Speaker 1: But it looks like they're getting it. Looks like they're

50:45 Speaker 1: getting more intricate as as as we go, right, They're

50:49 Speaker 1: they're UH using their detecting or searching for radiation. It's

50:55 Speaker 1: it's like they're learning, learning with each UH recovery how

51:01 Speaker 1: to keep it out of the public's eye, better and

51:04 Speaker 1: better and better.

51:06 Speaker 2: Correct. That's correct. Let's continue on here. Now. I want

51:09 Speaker 2: to mention Danny Sheehan. He plays an interesting role in

51:12 Speaker 2: this story here because he, as most people know, he

51:16 Speaker 2: obtained degrees from Harvard University and Harvard Law School. He's

51:20 Speaker 2: a large advocate for UFO disclosure and transparency. This is

51:23 Speaker 2: something that most people know, but I want to talk

51:26 Speaker 2: about something he was involved in that's directly related to

51:30 Speaker 2: our storyline here. And in nineteen seventy seven, he was

51:34 Speaker 2: given a one time only special security clearance to view

51:38 Speaker 2: some very interesting files at the Library of Congress. I'm

51:41 Speaker 2: going to go to the next slide here. Now these

51:44 Speaker 2: were the classified files specifically associated as Project Bluebook. These

51:49 Speaker 2: files are not to be confused with the unclassified Project

51:54 Speaker 2: blue Book records, which have long since been declassified and

51:58 Speaker 2: sent to the National Archives in Washington, DC. The photos

52:01 Speaker 2: were accessed by Danny Sheehan at the Madison Building basement

52:06 Speaker 2: during January of nineteen seventy seven under the direction of

52:09 Speaker 2: the Congressional Science and Technology Committee and Marcia Smith at

52:13 Speaker 2: the Congressional Research Service. So I'm just providing the details

52:17 Speaker 2: of how and where he got to see these files,

52:20 Speaker 2: all right, So where are the classified Project Bluebook files? Now?

52:24 Speaker 2: That really is the twenty four million dollar question. Where

52:28 Speaker 2: are the classified files? That's what we want to answer now.

52:32 Speaker 2: So he goes to the Library of Congress. This is

52:34 Speaker 2: January nineteen seventy seven to the James Madison Memorial Building.

52:39 Speaker 2: That's where all this went down. I'm going to give

52:41 Speaker 2: you a top view. Looking down now, you can see

52:43 Speaker 2: the United States Capital. If we go off to the right,

52:48 Speaker 2: you've got the Library of Congress. If we go directly

52:50 Speaker 2: south of that, we have the Madison Memorial Building. And

52:55 Speaker 2: that's what we want to focus in on. So according

52:58 Speaker 2: to Danny, he gets into an elevator, he goes down

53:02 Speaker 2: into the basement. Elevator doors open up. He walks down

53:05 Speaker 2: this long corridor hallway where he's met by two military

53:10 Speaker 2: guards where they check his ID. It's Danny. They let

53:15 Speaker 2: him into kind of this medium sized room. And when

53:17 Speaker 2: he walks into this medium sized room, I'm going to

53:20 Speaker 2: go to the next slide. Here, what he sees is

53:24 Speaker 2: a microfilm projector. Off to the right, there's a little

53:28 Speaker 2: bit of a mobile dolly that has files on it

53:31 Speaker 2: and cardboard boxes that are secured by a little bit

53:35 Speaker 2: of a string that have these microfilm reels in there.

53:37 Speaker 2: So now he's sitting down at this microfilm reader and

53:41 Speaker 2: he's kind of debating how he should spend his time here.

53:45 Speaker 2: And his first thought was, you know, I don't have

53:47 Speaker 2: a lot of time. This could be my only opportunity

53:50 Speaker 2: to be here. I don't have enough time to go

53:52 Speaker 2: through all of these documents individually. So what he did

53:56 Speaker 2: is he pulled out one of these microphone reels, he

53:59 Speaker 2: fed it through the reader, picked it up on the

54:01 Speaker 2: other pickup, and he started looking at the documents within

54:05 Speaker 2: this microfilm reader. And he's going through everything and all

54:08 Speaker 2: of a sudden, three photographs pop up, and they depict

54:13 Speaker 2: a winter time scene of a UFO crash retrieval operation.

54:18 Speaker 2: There's four people there. They're all wearing winter parkas. They

54:22 Speaker 2: have a furry flange along their hoods. Three of the

54:26 Speaker 2: men are taking photographs with still cameras, and they are

54:31 Speaker 2: taking photographs of a thirty foot diameter dish shaped craft

54:35 Speaker 2: that augurd in at a thirty degree angle and has

54:37 Speaker 2: a low rise dome on top. There's a series of

54:40 Speaker 2: hieroglyphic type lettering wrapped around the utter circumference of the

54:44 Speaker 2: lower part of the upper dome. And there's another personnel

54:49 Speaker 2: off to the left. He's the fourth guy. He was

54:52 Speaker 2: wearing that same parka here, and what he was doing

54:56 Speaker 2: is he was taking motion picture film footage of the

55:02 Speaker 2: entire event. What you're looking at Here on the bottom

55:05 Speaker 2: right hand corner is a napkin drawing of what Danny

55:12 Speaker 2: drew for me when I was sitting next to him

55:14 Speaker 2: four months at the restaurant. Of these hieroglyphic writings that

55:18 Speaker 2: were wrapped around the outer circumference. So let's go to

55:21 Speaker 2: the next slide. Here, what did the craft actually look like? Here?

55:26 Speaker 2: What did it actually look like? Well, we'll go to

55:29 Speaker 2: the next slide. If you look at Danny's napkin drawing,

55:33 Speaker 2: you can kind of see his rough drawing. So this

55:35 Speaker 2: is a side view tipped up at a thirty degree angle.

55:38 Speaker 2: You've got the dome there, you've got the hieroglyphic type writing,

55:41 Speaker 2: and then sitting right next to me across the table

55:45 Speaker 2: was Danny. Rudy was sitting right next to me as

55:48 Speaker 2: Danny was feeding us details. So Rudy started roughing out everything.

55:52 Speaker 2: So we've got the craft there on the upper drawing,

55:55 Speaker 2: we've got the people in place. I'm going to go

55:57 Speaker 2: to the next slide here, and this sh you the

56:01 Speaker 2: details that we wanted to put down. So the craft

56:05 Speaker 2: was thirty feet in diameter, came up at a thirty

56:07 Speaker 2: degree angle, craft had hieroglyphic riding on the upper dome.

56:11 Speaker 2: When this thing augured in it left a debris trail,

56:15 Speaker 2: and when it came to a stop, it built up

56:17 Speaker 2: a burn or kind of a debris section or mound

56:21 Speaker 2: of dirt on the right hand side. There were four

56:24 Speaker 2: men in the scene. Three had cameras, one had a

56:27 Speaker 2: duel rel motion picture film camera. Now he did not

56:32 Speaker 2: know the date or location of where this went down,

56:36 Speaker 2: sumber between nineteen forty eight to nineteen sixty one. I'm

56:40 Speaker 2: going to go to the next slide. All four men

56:43 Speaker 2: were wearing these winter parkas with the furry fringe flange.

56:48 Speaker 2: Three of them had these still cameras, so they were

56:51 Speaker 2: taking photographs of all of this. I'm going to go

56:54 Speaker 2: to the next slide. The fourth guy had a dual

56:58 Speaker 2: reel shoulder mounted motion picture film camera, so he was

57:03 Speaker 2: documenting this whole thing. This is a blow up of

57:07 Speaker 2: the symbols that we're seen on the bottom of the dome,

57:10 Speaker 2: and I'm going to go to the next slide. This

57:12 Speaker 2: is the cleaned up version of what these symbols actually

57:16 Speaker 2: look like here. So I want to take you through

57:20 Speaker 2: the refining process here of how we got to a

57:24 Speaker 2: complete refined drawing here, and we're going to start with

57:27 Speaker 2: Rudy's drawings, and you can see here this is kind

57:30 Speaker 2: of roughing it out. We've got the monuments in place,

57:33 Speaker 2: we've got the tip up angle. I'm going to go

57:36 Speaker 2: to the next slide here over on this one, you

57:38 Speaker 2: can see the burm built up on the right hand side.

57:42 Speaker 2: You've got the men in place. This is all in

57:44 Speaker 2: the rough stage, the kind of beginning stages of all this.

57:49 Speaker 2: This is almost a direct side view looking at the

57:51 Speaker 2: side of the craft tipped up. We've got the men

57:54 Speaker 2: in place here. Let's continue on now. We want to

57:58 Speaker 2: take a look at this one. This is the correct

58:03 Speaker 2: placement of the men in this scene, and you've got

58:08 Speaker 2: the correct dishaped craft. However, when we showed this to Danny,

58:13 Speaker 2: he said that this was not the correct orientation. So

58:16 Speaker 2: what we ended up having to do is rotate the

58:18 Speaker 2: whole scene one hundred and eighty degrees and you end

58:22 Speaker 2: up with something that starts looking like this. This is

58:26 Speaker 2: a direct side view, but if we keep rotating another

58:30 Speaker 2: ninety degrees, we're going to end up with something that

58:33 Speaker 2: looks like this. And this is what we use to

58:40 Speaker 2: go ahead and create the refined drawing, and I'm going

58:43 Speaker 2: to hit you with our refined drawing. And this has

58:47 Speaker 2: been confirmed with Danny as being the most accurate drawing

58:51 Speaker 2: that's been made with the exception of the actual photograph

58:55 Speaker 2: that he saw back in nineteen seventy seven at the

58:59 Speaker 2: Madison Building in Washington, DC. So this is about as

59:02 Speaker 2: close as we're going to get to the actual photograph itself.

59:07 Speaker 2: We've got the winter scene, we've got the fore men,

59:11 Speaker 2: we've got the winter parkas, we've got the dish shaped craft,

59:14 Speaker 2: we've got the still cameras, and we've got the motion

59:17 Speaker 2: picture film real So this checks all of the boxes.

59:20 Speaker 1: Here the any correlation between the symbols. Are we seeing

59:28 Speaker 1: any repeated symbols?

59:31 Speaker 2: Well, he definitely said that they were written completely around

59:34 Speaker 2: the utter circumference of the lower dome, and I believe

59:37 Speaker 2: there probably were some repeating symbols here. This is something

59:41 Speaker 2: that we could certainly clarify with Danny, But I don't

59:44 Speaker 2: believe that there were some repeating symbols.

59:47 Speaker 1: I mean throughout cases. So are we seeing any common commonality?

59:54 Speaker 1: I wonder if we probably wouldn't have that if we

59:57 Speaker 1: had access to all the information made sure, but because

1:00:02 Speaker 1: we lack that that's right, that's right, Ken, But yeah,

1:00:07 Speaker 1: that'd be interesting to actually know, like to be able

1:00:10 Speaker 1: to figure that out right.

1:00:12 Speaker 2: So I didn't want to just stop here, though. I

1:00:15 Speaker 2: wanted to see if I could take this to the

1:00:17 Speaker 2: next level and see if we could get some photorealism here.

1:00:21 Speaker 2: So what I ended up doing is I put out

1:00:23 Speaker 2: a call for a UFO crash Retrieval illustration contest, and

1:00:29 Speaker 2: I had entries from all around the United States. I

1:00:31 Speaker 2: had people that entered my contest from all over the world,

1:00:35 Speaker 2: and I want to hit you with some of the

1:00:37 Speaker 2: best renderings here. I will go through all the criteria,

1:00:40 Speaker 2: but it's that same type criteria had to be thirty

1:00:43 Speaker 2: feet diameter, had to be period correct. So let me

1:00:46 Speaker 2: hit you with some of our best representations here. Now,

1:00:50 Speaker 2: there is a theoretical limit to what results you can

1:00:53 Speaker 2: achieve by typing prompts into an AI image generator. You

1:00:57 Speaker 2: still need the human touch. So bottom line is, you

1:01:00 Speaker 2: know you can type prompts in all day long and

1:01:03 Speaker 2: you won't get exactly what you're looking for. You still

1:01:06 Speaker 2: need the human touch. So let me go ahead and

1:01:09 Speaker 2: walk you through a couple of the entries here, So

1:01:12 Speaker 2: this was one yep, yep. I was hoping for that reaction.

1:01:18 Speaker 2: So this is yep. This is you know, this was

1:01:21 Speaker 2: seen by Danny she and they have the microfilm real

1:01:25 Speaker 2: we know where it was seen. I mean we know

1:01:27 Speaker 2: it was at the Madison Building. And I asked Danny,

1:01:30 Speaker 2: I go, how did these get here? He said that

1:01:32 Speaker 2: they brought the files from off site. So obviously, wherever

1:01:38 Speaker 2: the classified files for Project Blue Book are, they were

1:01:44 Speaker 2: brought from off site onto the Madison Building site. So

1:01:48 Speaker 2: who knows where that might be Maryland, there could be

1:01:50 Speaker 2: another location, could be Andrews Air Force Base, but they

1:01:53 Speaker 2: were brought in off site. So here was the first

1:01:55 Speaker 2: pass by Sean Lenahan. This gives you an idea what

1:01:58 Speaker 2: it looks like. You've got the winter scene here, we've

1:02:00 Speaker 2: got the Parkers, we've got the four men, we've got

1:02:03 Speaker 2: the tip up angle, we've got the hieroglyphic writing, we've

1:02:05 Speaker 2: got the furry flanges. It's checking all the boxes. So

1:02:08 Speaker 2: let me go to the next one. Here. This is

1:02:10 Speaker 2: another version. This is by Ben Lewis. It's a reputable entry.

1:02:15 Speaker 2: The guy did a pretty good job.

1:02:16 Speaker 1: This is a good one too.

1:02:19 Speaker 2: Yeah, they're all good. They all kind of have a

1:02:21 Speaker 2: different style. So let me go ahead and hit you

1:02:22 Speaker 2: with the winner here. This was the winner, so he

1:02:26 Speaker 2: won the prize, So this is Skyler. Stallings want to

1:02:29 Speaker 2: give him credit. And this is almost at the theoretical

1:02:33 Speaker 2: limit of what we can achieve with AI. And you

1:02:36 Speaker 2: know what you end up doing here is you use

1:02:38 Speaker 2: AI for your background. You use three D Studio Max

1:02:42 Speaker 2: or another three D rendering to get the craft to

1:02:45 Speaker 2: be one to one because you have to model the

1:02:48 Speaker 2: craft from scratch. You cannot type this in You'll never

1:02:50 Speaker 2: get it. And then you finish up with photoshop, which

1:02:54 Speaker 2: gives you the personnel and the equipment. So in point

1:02:58 Speaker 2: of fact, what you end up with then is a

1:03:00 Speaker 2: hybrid illustration. So now I want to hit you with

1:03:03 Speaker 2: a late entry. And this is what we came up with.

1:03:07 Speaker 2: This might be as close as we're gonna get to

1:03:11 Speaker 2: what this thing actually look like. You know, oh man,

1:03:15 Speaker 2: they recovered it. They recovered it, And there's pictures of this,

1:03:19 Speaker 2: there's motion picture film reel of this. All of this

1:03:22 Speaker 2: could be brought on in congressional hearings.

1:03:23 Speaker 1: All of it could be you hear that tim All

1:03:27 Speaker 1: of it speaking to you, mister Burchett, and I'm definitely

1:03:31 Speaker 1: gonna be sending them this episode, so.

1:03:34 Speaker 2: Well, please do by all means, By all means, uh,

1:03:37 Speaker 2: you know, we go ahead.

1:03:40 Speaker 1: Imagine seeing that, because how many pilots have said that

1:03:46 Speaker 1: they have seen, you know, a craft that look you know,

1:03:50 Speaker 1: I mean the term flying saucer. I know it was

1:03:55 Speaker 1: kind of convoluted, but these things, a lot of people

1:03:58 Speaker 1: describe them as like plate on a plate, stacked on

1:04:02 Speaker 1: a plate. And imagine what they see this thing flying

1:04:07 Speaker 1: through the air or agging down, you know, like I just,

1:04:11 Speaker 1: oh my god, it must be it must be like

1:04:16 Speaker 1: not real, like you don't think it's real life.

1:04:19 Speaker 2: It's got to be surreal when you come across it

1:04:21 Speaker 2: in real time.

1:04:21 Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I mean imagine being that guy with the

1:04:25 Speaker 1: with the camera just like what the hell am I

1:04:28 Speaker 1: looking at right now? Like it's real? But yeah, geez man.

1:04:34 Speaker 2: Yep, yep, all right, let's continue on here. Okay, So

1:04:37 Speaker 2: next one sixty four million dollar question, where are the

1:04:41 Speaker 2: top secret files on UFO crash retriebles being stored? So

1:04:46 Speaker 2: if centers and congressman, if you want to know, here

1:04:50 Speaker 2: is the location they are kept in three large computer

1:04:53 Speaker 2: banks spread throughout the country. Number one right Patterson Air

1:04:56 Speaker 2: Force Base, Date in Ohio. That's no surprise. Number two

1:04:59 Speaker 2: see I Headquarters, McLean, Virginia. Number three NSA Headquarters, Fort Meet, Maryland.

1:05:04 Speaker 2: Now within the stringfield collection. The witness had a two

1:05:09 Speaker 2: page report about this and he said at the bottom

1:05:12 Speaker 2: quote they will bend in any direction to keep them secret.

1:05:16 Speaker 2: So again, why senators and congressmen can't get access to

1:05:20 Speaker 2: it is because we're dealing with the big players here.

1:05:23 Speaker 2: We're dealing with the varsity team. They are not going

1:05:25 Speaker 2: to let this out easily. So we need to have

1:05:27 Speaker 2: people in Congress that have teeth, that have authority, that

1:05:31 Speaker 2: have power to breach this cosmic watergate, or we're all

1:05:35 Speaker 2: going to be here another fifty to eighty years and

1:05:38 Speaker 2: they're going to keep on kicking this can down their

1:05:40 Speaker 2: oad and we still won't know what's going on. That's

1:05:42 Speaker 2: why it's the final curtain call on UFO crush retrievals.

1:05:46 Speaker 2: This is it, this is it, this is it? All right,

1:05:48 Speaker 2: continue on location of where et craft are being stored.

1:05:52 Speaker 2: So we already talked about the files where that is.

1:05:55 Speaker 2: Now we want to talk about the craft number one,

1:05:57 Speaker 2: CIA Headquarters McLean, Virginia, McDill air Force based Tampa, Florida,

1:06:02 Speaker 2: Seymour Johnson Air Force based Goldsboro, North Carolina. So there's

1:06:07 Speaker 2: three locations.

1:06:10 Speaker 1: Now, all three of these locations, especially especially the IA

1:06:16 Speaker 1: Headquarters in Virginia, they would need to have some sort

1:06:21 Speaker 1: of underground facility, correct, I think in order to properly

1:06:27 Speaker 1: do this secret stuff like this, if it's this high level.

1:06:33 Speaker 1: Would you be surprised if any of these locations had

1:06:37 Speaker 1: underground facilities that were not known to the public.

1:06:41 Speaker 2: That doesn't surprise me at all at.

1:06:43 Speaker 1: All, interesting because it really it's something I've always thought, Uh,

1:06:49 Speaker 1: you know, we hear about it from from many, many

1:06:52 Speaker 1: many people that there there's there potentially is even a

1:06:58 Speaker 1: connection can acting tunnels to certain Air Air Force bases,

1:07:03 Speaker 1: And I don't know what merit there is to that.

1:07:07 Speaker 1: But these three locations, I mean, they're not going to

1:07:09 Speaker 1: be keeping UFOs where Google can see them.

1:07:12 Speaker 2: Oh well, it's been said that anything important is underground,

1:07:17 Speaker 2: So that's kind of what they state there now. Next

1:07:20 Speaker 2: one see one nineteen Flying box Car, Sierra Madre Valley, Mexico,

1:07:24 Speaker 2: nineteen fifty one. So I believe this was around nineteen

1:07:29 Speaker 2: forty eight time frame, because in the report it said

1:07:31 Speaker 2: it was prior to nineteen fifty one, so I'm thinking

1:07:33 Speaker 2: nineteen forty eight. The primary source was an engineer and

1:07:37 Speaker 2: he worked in highway construction. This is page thirty two

1:07:40 Speaker 2: in the book. At least two et bodies were recovered.

1:07:43 Speaker 2: So you've got this construction engineer. This craft comes down.

1:07:47 Speaker 2: The United States Military flies in in a box car,

1:07:51 Speaker 2: flying box car, and they ask assistance from this construction engineer. Now,

1:07:56 Speaker 2: how big is the craft? It's simple, it's a mathema certainty,

1:08:01 Speaker 2: we know how large the craft was. How do we

1:08:03 Speaker 2: know that? Simple? All you got to do is take

1:08:06 Speaker 2: a tape measure and measure the interior wall distance of

1:08:11 Speaker 2: the sea one nineteen flying box car clamshell aft entryway

1:08:15 Speaker 2: doors and that's nine feet ten inches wide. So by

1:08:18 Speaker 2: default the craft cannot be anymore than nine feet across

1:08:22 Speaker 2: because you need five inches of clearance on either side.

1:08:24 Speaker 2: So this is a small craft. This is not a

1:08:26 Speaker 2: large craft. Go to the next slide here. So here's

1:08:29 Speaker 2: Rudy's drawing of them kind of pulling the craft on

1:08:33 Speaker 2: a ramp into these back clamshell bay doors. On the

1:08:37 Speaker 2: Sea one nineteen flying box car. I'm going to take

1:08:39 Speaker 2: you to the full color rendering now, and now you

1:08:41 Speaker 2: can see Joseph rendering of what the scene might look like.

1:08:44 Speaker 2: The bodies are in the foreground. They were burnt badly.

1:08:48 Speaker 2: It was not for the faint of heart. And then

1:08:50 Speaker 2: you can see the clamshell doors are opened up. I'm

1:08:52 Speaker 2: going to do a blow up of the loading process

1:08:56 Speaker 2: and now you can kind of see the craft being

1:08:58 Speaker 2: loaded into the aft bay of the flying box car. Now,

1:09:02 Speaker 2: when the primary eyewitness knelt down to where the bodies were,

1:09:07 Speaker 2: and I'm going to move on to where the bodies are,

1:09:10 Speaker 2: he said that they were very small statued, very small.

1:09:14 Speaker 2: Their bodies were burnt, so this again was not for

1:09:17 Speaker 2: the fainting part. And when he kind of went down

1:09:20 Speaker 2: and touched their faces, their skin came out on his fingers.

1:09:26 Speaker 2: So this was a gruesome sight. They were badly burnt,

1:09:30 Speaker 2: according to this primary eyewitness, and they probably have these

1:09:34 Speaker 2: bodies as well, and some type of storage facility may

1:09:38 Speaker 2: still be at right Patterson Air Force Base. Who knows,

1:09:41 Speaker 2: or they might have diversified their portfolio.

1:09:43 Speaker 1: Go ahead, well, so I don't I know how I've

1:09:48 Speaker 1: had him on the show before. He did just ask

1:09:50 Speaker 1: a question, do you know what Richard Dodi asked about?

1:09:58 Speaker 1: So he wanted to clarify evidence that u apps are

1:10:03 Speaker 1: stored at those three locations. So you're I think he

1:10:07 Speaker 1: missed the part that so you're pulling from Leonard Stringfield's book.

1:10:12 Speaker 2: I'm pulling from Leonard Stringfield's book, and which has which

1:10:15 Speaker 2: has one hundred and nineteen crash retrieval cases from first

1:10:19 Speaker 2: hand military witnesses that loaded the craft onto trailers and

1:10:23 Speaker 2: also participated in retrieving the bodies.

1:10:27 Speaker 1: Yeah, and he followed it up with we know some

1:10:29 Speaker 1: are stored at NTTR and Lockeed location. Now, I think

1:10:34 Speaker 1: it's fair to say that that would that would be true.

1:10:36 Speaker 1: But again, you're just pulling from a certain data set.

1:10:40 Speaker 2: Correct, Correct, This is strictly Springfield.

1:10:43 Speaker 1: Yeah, I just wanted to clarify that for for him

1:10:46 Speaker 1: and for anyone else who is wondering popping popping in late.

1:10:52 Speaker 2: It's from the book that we showed in the very

1:10:54 Speaker 2: beginning here. Okay, Now, next one Naval Air Station, Sunnyvale, California,

1:10:59 Speaker 2: nineteen fifty Hangar one radar operator is our primary source.

1:11:04 Speaker 2: This is page case B five, page fifty seven. Two

1:11:08 Speaker 2: points to think about on this one. Number one, this

1:11:11 Speaker 2: hangar still exists. Number two, it's so large it has

1:11:15 Speaker 2: its own weather inside. That's how big this hangar is.

1:11:18 Speaker 2: It actually has its own weather.

1:11:20 Speaker 1: I was gonna say, yeah, it's got to happen zip

1:11:24 Speaker 1: code too.

1:11:25 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. During World War Two it was used

1:11:29 Speaker 2: as a storage facility for blints. You could put multiple

1:11:33 Speaker 2: blimts in this thing. That's how big this hanger is.

1:11:35 Speaker 2: So our radar operator he kind of goes through this

1:11:39 Speaker 2: off limits double door. When he gets inside, he's challenged

1:11:42 Speaker 2: by a guard. But he did see a large one

1:11:46 Speaker 2: hundred foot diameter dish shaped craft on the hangar floor,

1:11:50 Speaker 2: and it had a little bit of a low rise dome.

1:11:52 Speaker 2: There were a series of porthole windows wrapped around the

1:11:55 Speaker 2: utter circumference. He was challenged immediately and then was s

1:11:59 Speaker 2: kurt it out, but he did get to see it.

1:12:01 Speaker 2: When he got home later he told his mother quote

1:12:05 Speaker 2: it was certainly no aircraft of ours, is what he said.

1:12:08 Speaker 2: So this is coming from this radar operator at Hanger one.

1:12:11 Speaker 2: So we want to do the full color rendering something

1:12:14 Speaker 2: like this was seen by this radar operator. In hangar one.

1:12:20 Speaker 2: So very interesting.

1:12:21 Speaker 1: Go ahead, not elevated at all, just kind of resting.

1:12:25 Speaker 2: Sitting on the hangar floor. Yes, sitting on the hanger floor. Yep,

1:12:30 Speaker 2: this is according to what he stated within the Stringfield collection.

1:12:34 Speaker 2: Now next one Pentagon nineteen fifty two, Off Limits room.

1:12:39 Speaker 2: This is a Pentagon office worker, page one in the

1:12:43 Speaker 2: book case one. So we've got this office worker. She's

1:12:47 Speaker 2: at the Pentagon. We believe she went to an underground basement.

1:12:51 Speaker 2: There is a basement at the Pentagon. She kind of

1:12:54 Speaker 2: goes into this dark, dusty, murky room. It's not well lit.

1:13:00 Speaker 2: There's some cardboard boxes. She kind of makes one hundred

1:13:03 Speaker 2: and eighty degree turn, and what does she see. She

1:13:06 Speaker 2: sees a pickle alien in a large glass jar, and

1:13:09 Speaker 2: she shocked to her core. She can't believe what she's seeing.

1:13:13 Speaker 2: Within a matter of ten seconds, she feels this hand

1:13:17 Speaker 2: on her shoulder. It's an MP telling her to get

1:13:20 Speaker 2: out of the area immediately. But she did see this

1:13:22 Speaker 2: et in in a large jar, absolutely shocked to her core.

1:13:27 Speaker 2: So I thought, let's see if we can do a

1:13:29 Speaker 2: full color rendering to make this kind of come alive.

1:13:32 Speaker 2: And this is what I came up with which may

1:13:35 Speaker 2: have been seen by this office worker at the Pentagon Basement.

1:13:39 Speaker 2: Now we want to answer the question, is there really

1:13:44 Speaker 2: a basement at the Pentagon? Is there such a thing?

1:13:47 Speaker 2: Is there such a thing? Well, it turns out that

1:13:49 Speaker 2: our good friend Dick Cheney got lost in the basement

1:13:53 Speaker 2: of the Pentagon. So this Peninsula Times Tribune March twenty fifth,

1:13:58 Speaker 2: nineteen eighty nine's chief gets lost in the Pentagon Basement.

1:14:03 Speaker 2: So he was at one of the upper floors in

1:14:05 Speaker 2: a meeting. He was trying to get to his car.

1:14:07 Speaker 2: He went into the elevator, the elevator dropped down when

1:14:09 Speaker 2: they opened up. He thought he was going to get

1:14:11 Speaker 2: to his car, but he kind of got lost in

1:14:14 Speaker 2: this basement. So, yes, there is a Pentagon basement there

1:14:19 Speaker 2: where they could store who knows what. And we've heard

1:14:22 Speaker 2: rumors and speculation that different craft debris have been stored

1:14:27 Speaker 2: at the Pentagon Basement, So it would checks out here.

1:14:29 Speaker 1: How about you want to bet that if that was

1:14:33 Speaker 1: the first time he'd been down there, it wouldn't be

1:14:35 Speaker 1: the last.

1:14:36 Speaker 2: That's probably true.

1:14:39 Speaker 1: Speaking of people who you know might have known a

1:14:43 Speaker 1: thing or two, mister Dick Cheney, everybody.

1:14:46 Speaker 2: There you go, okay, continue on Camp Polk, Louisiana, summer

1:14:51 Speaker 2: nineteen fifty three. HJ. We have his name. He's a

1:14:55 Speaker 2: private in the Army. So this is another one of

1:14:57 Speaker 2: these first hand military witnesses. Case A one page eighty

1:15:02 Speaker 2: in the books. I'm giving you the reference to page number.

1:15:04 Speaker 2: The case numbers you can follow along here. Now he

1:15:07 Speaker 2: saw the entire retrieval operation from beginning to end, and

1:15:11 Speaker 2: he said that this egg shaped craft came down. The

1:15:15 Speaker 2: whole soil area was still worn to the touch. This

1:15:18 Speaker 2: thing was about thirty feet across. It had a fin

1:15:22 Speaker 2: that was wrapped around the outer portion of the craft

1:15:24 Speaker 2: itself that was still rotating when he got there. Now,

1:15:28 Speaker 2: he said that one humanoid being was carried out of

1:15:31 Speaker 2: the craft in a stretcher. There were three additional ets

1:15:37 Speaker 2: that were walking out of the craft being aided by

1:15:40 Speaker 2: medical personnel. The medical personnel were helping out the other three.

1:15:45 Speaker 2: They were about three and a half to four feet tall,

1:15:48 Speaker 2: oversize head, oversize eyes slit for them up minute nose.

1:15:52 Speaker 2: They were wearing a one piece green type fitting flight suit.

1:15:55 Speaker 2: They had mittens on and they had helmets on. Now,

1:15:59 Speaker 2: I also want to mention that they had no knee joints.

1:16:03 Speaker 2: They could only bend at their hips, so they had

1:16:06 Speaker 2: this step staggering as they were walking across the ground

1:16:10 Speaker 2: being helped by this medical personnel. So let's go to

1:16:13 Speaker 2: the next slide here, and Joseph has kind of really

1:16:16 Speaker 2: made this come alive. I'm going to give you a

1:16:18 Speaker 2: full color three D rendering if we were there when

1:16:21 Speaker 2: this all went down. I'm viewing a little bit closer here.

1:16:24 Speaker 2: Let's go to the next sliding. They all had these

1:16:27 Speaker 2: one piece, tight fitting flight suit. They absolutely he said,

1:16:30 Speaker 2: they were wearing helmets. They had what looked like mittens

1:16:33 Speaker 2: on and you can see our boys, our medical personnel

1:16:37 Speaker 2: are helping these ets out of this craft. Let's go

1:16:40 Speaker 2: to the next slide. Their comrade was being carried off

1:16:44 Speaker 2: into the back of an ambulance truck, and there was

1:16:47 Speaker 2: some type of communication going on between their fallen comrade

1:16:51 Speaker 2: and the others coming out of the craft itself. I'm

1:16:54 Speaker 2: going to blow this up a little bit closer now

1:16:56 Speaker 2: so that we can see the fallen comrade and he

1:16:59 Speaker 2: was being carried off into the ambulance truck. Now, what

1:17:03 Speaker 2: happened to these beings? That's what we want to look at,

1:17:07 Speaker 2: now what happened to the survivors. According to the source,

1:17:12 Speaker 2: these survivors had been sent to a hospital and put

1:17:15 Speaker 2: into isolation, but all soon died. He also learned that

1:17:20 Speaker 2: the cadavers were sent to a medical center near Washington,

1:17:25 Speaker 2: d C. What is this medical center near Washington, d C.

1:17:30 Speaker 2: That we've heard so much about associated with bodies associated

1:17:34 Speaker 2: with autopsies technical X ray reports. Well, it's none other

1:17:41 Speaker 2: than Walter Reed Army Medical Center that closed in twenty eleven.

1:17:47 Speaker 2: So that is the place where the bodies were sent

1:17:50 Speaker 2: autopsies where there medical reports almost ground zero for a

1:17:55 Speaker 2: lot of this. Now there's another location as well, John

1:17:58 Speaker 2: Hopkins Hospital, localtion of et autopsies that's talked about within

1:18:03 Speaker 2: the stringfield reports as well. So these two facilities absolutely

1:18:08 Speaker 2: had bodies when all this is going on. The reports,

1:18:12 Speaker 2: the bodies, tissue samples absolutely at these locations. It's it's

1:18:16 Speaker 2: talked about multiple times within the stringfield collection.

1:18:21 Speaker 1: Oh, I wonder, huh m hm. That's interesting because if

1:18:29 Speaker 1: I mean we're carrying them out, we're bringing them to hospitals,

1:18:36 Speaker 1: I mean, are we at some we're progressing on in

1:18:40 Speaker 1: the years. Do you think that we in the span

1:18:45 Speaker 1: of time that you know we started talking to them

1:18:52 Speaker 1: at any point or are we just these things? I

1:18:56 Speaker 1: know we're kind of speculating at this point we're going

1:18:58 Speaker 1: out of the work. But I mean, they're ushering off

1:19:02 Speaker 1: to hospitals, and is this all for observation and human gain?

1:19:09 Speaker 2: I can tell you. I can tell you from a

1:19:12 Speaker 2: source that I have, and her source was her father.

1:19:18 Speaker 2: Now this doesn't address your question about communication, but her

1:19:22 Speaker 2: father was high level military brass. He was crying uncontrollably

1:19:27 Speaker 2: one day and this woman went to her father and said,

1:19:31 Speaker 2: what's wrong, Why are you so upset? All he would

1:19:34 Speaker 2: say is, quote, a handshake has been made, so we

1:19:39 Speaker 2: have made contact. According to this source, there's no reason

1:19:42 Speaker 2: for this guy to lie. Now, I'm sure they probably

1:19:44 Speaker 2: establish some type of two way communication, be it through

1:19:49 Speaker 2: mental telepathy, something else, or an outside external box that

1:19:54 Speaker 2: they could translate language. That's possible, But at the very

1:19:58 Speaker 2: least contact has been made. A handshake has been made.

1:20:02 Speaker 2: All right, Let's move on to the next one. This

1:20:04 Speaker 2: one I really like. This is right Patterson Air Force Base,

1:20:06 Speaker 2: nineteen fifty three. I'm going to give you his name,

1:20:10 Speaker 2: Michael Olvie, Army Reserves Warrant Officer, Page fifteen, abstract number

1:20:15 Speaker 2: eight in the book. So it's right Patterson Air Force Base,

1:20:19 Speaker 2: nineteen fifty three. I believe it went down at Hangar

1:20:23 Speaker 2: Complex number four. The very last bay is bay. So

1:20:26 Speaker 2: you've got this four engine cargo transport DC seven. That

1:20:32 Speaker 2: taxis up onto the tarmac at right Patterson Air Force Base,

1:20:36 Speaker 2: probably pulls right up to this hangar. And I'm going

1:20:39 Speaker 2: to go to the next slide here, and this shows

1:20:43 Speaker 2: you the DC seven with the aft port cargo bay

1:20:47 Speaker 2: door opened up, and picture this entire scene going inside

1:20:51 Speaker 2: the hangar. Now, so once the DC seven taxis up

1:20:54 Speaker 2: onto the tarmac, the whole aircraft rolls into the hangar,

1:20:58 Speaker 2: the hanger bay doors close, cargo bay door opens up,

1:21:02 Speaker 2: and then a forklift starts unloading these pallets. On one

1:21:06 Speaker 2: of these pallets, he said that there were three crates,

1:21:10 Speaker 2: three wooden crates, and he was standing a couple feet

1:21:13 Speaker 2: away from this when all this went down. These three

1:21:16 Speaker 2: crates had their top lids pulled off, and so he's

1:21:19 Speaker 2: looking inside these crates and what did he see. He

1:21:23 Speaker 2: saw three et bodies about three and a half to

1:21:27 Speaker 2: four feet tall, all wearing a one piece tight fitting

1:21:30 Speaker 2: flight suit, oversized head, oversized eyes, slit for a mouth,

1:21:34 Speaker 2: minute nose. He said one of them had breasts, so

1:21:39 Speaker 2: he believed it was female. All three were being suspended

1:21:43 Speaker 2: off the bottom of the crates by a white colored

1:21:46 Speaker 2: netting to protect them from the dry ice freezer burn below.

1:21:50 Speaker 2: And he's looking at all of this, he can't believe this.

1:21:53 Speaker 1: Now.

1:21:53 Speaker 2: He also heard about debris also being transported in the

1:21:58 Speaker 2: same DC seven well, so there were other crates nearby

1:22:02 Speaker 2: that had debris from this crash retrieval. So what I

1:22:05 Speaker 2: want to do now is I want to use this

1:22:07 Speaker 2: as a guide and we'll go to the full color rendering.

1:22:10 Speaker 2: And this is what we came up with back in

1:22:13 Speaker 2: nineteen fifty three at Wright Patterson Air Force Base. So

1:22:16 Speaker 2: if we have congressmen and senators in Washington, DC that

1:22:20 Speaker 2: want to know about what was retrieved, they could run

1:22:23 Speaker 2: this case to the ground because we've got the bodies,

1:22:26 Speaker 2: we've got crates of debris there. All of this could

1:22:29 Speaker 2: be brought out in congressional hearings.

1:22:32 Speaker 1: So the boxes were marked the box of it.

1:22:36 Speaker 2: The boxes had debris within them associated with the crash retrieval.

1:22:42 Speaker 1: Right but in the artistry, is that a liberty that

1:22:47 Speaker 1: was taken or.

1:22:48 Speaker 2: This is something we put on there, This is something

1:22:50 Speaker 2: they probably stamped it with something.

1:22:52 Speaker 1: Okay, it with something. Yeah, you see what I would

1:22:58 Speaker 1: be a little thwarted to say that something marked top

1:23:02 Speaker 1: secret wouldn't have a cover on it.

1:23:05 Speaker 2: Well, in this case, the covers were pulled off as

1:23:09 Speaker 2: the forklift was dropping this down to the hangar floor

1:23:12 Speaker 2: and he was in the close proximity. His report is

1:23:15 Speaker 2: about two pages long and he describes this whole thing

1:23:18 Speaker 2: in great detail. So what I want to do now

1:23:21 Speaker 2: is I want to increase the angle of orientation and

1:23:24 Speaker 2: give you a ninety degree top view looking down. And

1:23:27 Speaker 2: now we can see these bodies in closer detail here.

1:23:31 Speaker 2: And this is all from this warrant officer. No reason

1:23:34 Speaker 2: to doubt what he said. No credible witness.

1:23:37 Speaker 1: The middle one with the breasts.

1:23:41 Speaker 2: We believe. So yeah, we have to be period correct here.

1:23:44 Speaker 2: But this is this is what he described.

1:23:46 Speaker 1: Yes, this is what is a good a very So

1:23:50 Speaker 1: we're seeing that most of these beings that we've seen

1:23:57 Speaker 1: or that are documented in this book, they are humanoid

1:24:01 Speaker 1: to some degree, humanoid looking, yes, yeah, okay, So you're.

1:24:06 Speaker 2: Humanoid looking right? Correct?

1:24:08 Speaker 1: All right?

1:24:09 Speaker 2: So reference number sixteen alien autopsy performed at Walter Reed Hospital.

1:24:15 Speaker 2: The cadaver was described as being three feet in height,

1:24:18 Speaker 2: with a large head, protruding brow, sunken eyes which wrapped

1:24:23 Speaker 2: around the side of the face, very long arms, gray skin.

1:24:27 Speaker 2: Source pathologists at the Cleveland Clinic via doctor Stanley Typco

1:24:32 Speaker 2: nineteen fifty two to nineteen fifty three. So here's another

1:24:35 Speaker 2: reference of this Walter Reed Hospital associated with the bodies here. Now,

1:24:41 Speaker 2: I want to talk about what they look like. So

1:24:43 Speaker 2: within the stream Field collection, there's three pages devoted to autopsies,

1:24:49 Speaker 2: pathologists report, medical doctor reports, X ray technician reports, and

1:24:55 Speaker 2: they give you details of what the bodies look like.

1:24:58 Speaker 2: So I got some bullet items here. Three and a

1:25:00 Speaker 2: half to four and a half feet tall, two round almonds,

1:25:04 Speaker 2: sunken in eyes without pupils, heavy brow, ridge, large hairless

1:25:08 Speaker 2: head by human standards, no ear lobes, no definitive nose,

1:25:13 Speaker 2: small slit for a mouth, very thin neck, small torso,

1:25:17 Speaker 2: wearing a metallic flexible garment. Arms described as long and thin,

1:25:21 Speaker 2: reaching down to the knees, hands having four fingers without

1:25:25 Speaker 2: a thumb, slight webbing, short and thin legs, no toes.

1:25:29 Speaker 2: Skin color beige tan brown, tan, pinkish gray. So if

1:25:33 Speaker 2: we take all of this information from the first hand

1:25:38 Speaker 2: medical doctors and the pathologists report, and we incorporated this

1:25:43 Speaker 2: into a drawing, we're gonna end up with something that

1:25:45 Speaker 2: looks like this. And I believe this is the most

1:25:48 Speaker 2: accurate rendering based on the medical reports of people who

1:25:53 Speaker 2: autopsy these bodies. This checks the boxes. We've got the

1:25:57 Speaker 2: oversized head, we've got the brow ridge, we've got the

1:25:59 Speaker 2: rep wrong eyes, we've got the webbing between the fingers,

1:26:02 Speaker 2: we've got the emaciated body parts, arms that go down

1:26:06 Speaker 2: below the knees. Here, it's checking the boxes. So this

1:26:09 Speaker 2: is page forty six in forty seven within the Springfield publication.

1:26:14 Speaker 2: Want to give you the rightnesses of getting this.

1:26:17 Speaker 1: And this actually kind of reminds me of the Virginia

1:26:23 Speaker 1: being at a little the three ridges. Just some similarities,

1:26:29 Speaker 1: but interesting a little bit.

1:26:31 Speaker 2: Yep, a little bit. So let's see if we can

1:26:33 Speaker 2: commit this to a full color rendering and something like

1:26:36 Speaker 2: this is being recovered by our military personnel and being

1:26:40 Speaker 2: sent to Walter Reed Medical Center. At least I would

1:26:46 Speaker 2: say four cases within springfield collection minimum. That's a minimum

1:26:50 Speaker 2: of four cases, all right. Next one Walker Air Force Based,

1:26:54 Speaker 2: New Mexico, April twelfth, nineteen fifty four. This is a photographer.

1:26:59 Speaker 2: He was only eight years of age. But this guy

1:27:01 Speaker 2: was a genius. This is an Air Force photographer. He

1:27:05 Speaker 2: served between nineteen fifty four nineteen fifty five. It's page

1:27:09 Speaker 2: eighty two in the book. This guy was only eighteen

1:27:12 Speaker 2: years old. He knew about cameras, exposures, settings. He was

1:27:16 Speaker 2: a genius about cameras. Now I want to mention that

1:27:20 Speaker 2: Walker Air Force Base used to be called Roswell Army

1:27:25 Speaker 2: Airfield home with a five or ninth bomb Group. We're

1:27:27 Speaker 2: talking about the same place here. It's just renamed Walker

1:27:30 Speaker 2: Air Force Base. So what happened? Well, he was told

1:27:34 Speaker 2: to board an H nineteen helicopter. It looked just like

1:27:37 Speaker 2: this photograph that i've shown right here. He was with

1:27:40 Speaker 2: three other members of his team. They bore this H

1:27:42 Speaker 2: nineteen helicopter. They closed the door over the PA address system.

1:27:47 Speaker 2: The pilot says, quote, men, this is not a drill.

1:27:51 Speaker 2: This is a red alert scramble. So they take off

1:27:55 Speaker 2: from Walker Air Force Base. They had northbound the major

1:27:59 Speaker 2: highway is too their right. They make a forty five

1:28:01 Speaker 2: degree left turn. They're heading northwest toward Corona, and it's

1:28:05 Speaker 2: starting to get a little bit darker. They go over

1:28:07 Speaker 2: this little bit of a hill and what do they

1:28:09 Speaker 2: actually see. Well, they came across a fifty foot diameter,

1:28:15 Speaker 2: dishshaped craft that augured in at about a forty five

1:28:17 Speaker 2: degree angle. He's hovering above this scene in the helicopter

1:28:22 Speaker 2: told to open up the doors, and now he's taking

1:28:25 Speaker 2: photographs because this whole helicopter is shining a spotlight down

1:28:29 Speaker 2: on the scene, and he got very close up photographs

1:28:33 Speaker 2: of this entire scene. Now, again, this thing was fifty

1:28:35 Speaker 2: feet in diameter. It has a series of multicolored lights

1:28:39 Speaker 2: wrapped around the outer circumference that were still rotating. It

1:28:43 Speaker 2: had a low rise dome on top. He could see

1:28:45 Speaker 2: that there were four bodies laying near the craft. Now,

1:28:49 Speaker 2: next thing is the helicopter lands near where this thing

1:28:54 Speaker 2: came down. And the second that he walked out the helicopter,

1:28:58 Speaker 2: two things became readily apparent. Number One, the entire localized

1:29:04 Speaker 2: area had this pungent odor of automobile battery acid. That's

1:29:10 Speaker 2: the first thing. It had, this battery acid smell. Number

1:29:13 Speaker 2: two is that he saw lights approaching the where this

1:29:19 Speaker 2: thing came down. This was the beginning of the retrieval operation.

1:29:23 Speaker 2: So there were trucks, through transports, there were jeeps. I mean,

1:29:27 Speaker 2: he was there before they got there, and these were

1:29:29 Speaker 2: the lights approaching the area. Now, when he got out

1:29:32 Speaker 2: of the helicopter and was walking toward the craft, he

1:29:35 Speaker 2: couldn't walk any closer. There were military police there telling

1:29:38 Speaker 2: him you're not supposed to get any closer. But he

1:29:40 Speaker 2: also found out that there was an additional two bodies

1:29:44 Speaker 2: found inside the craft, for a grand total of six

1:29:47 Speaker 2: bodies recovered. I'm going to take you to the full

1:29:49 Speaker 2: color rendering and this is what we came up with

1:29:52 Speaker 2: with full color rendering. Here shows you what the scene

1:29:54 Speaker 2: looked like back in New Mexico nineteen fifty four timetrain.

1:29:59 Speaker 2: And this has all been commanded by photographs. They got

1:30:01 Speaker 2: very close high res photographs of this entire scene.

1:30:05 Speaker 1: My god, my god. M hm.

1:30:11 Speaker 2: So go ahead.

1:30:15 Speaker 1: So does he not He didn't even touch Roswell in

1:30:20 Speaker 1: this book.

1:30:21 Speaker 2: He talks about Roswell in the book.

1:30:22 Speaker 1: Yes, okay, all right, I just hadn't seen it. So

1:30:27 Speaker 1: this is New Mexico. I mean this is these are

1:30:30 Speaker 1: this is the craft. Uh you know that many people

1:30:33 Speaker 1: report seeing uh and and I find it interesting that

1:30:39 Speaker 1: uh they're they're auguring in and there there's been so

1:30:44 Speaker 1: many reports. So what what what's the explosion? Why? Why

1:30:50 Speaker 1: are these things here? I'm just I gotta. I know

1:30:54 Speaker 1: it's a the the million dollar question, but man, I

1:30:57 Speaker 1: got I would want to know.

1:30:59 Speaker 2: Well, well, if we go back to the research of

1:31:01 Speaker 2: Harry Drew, who is the expert on the Kingman not

1:31:06 Speaker 2: crash retrieval but soft landing, he clearly indicates that there

1:31:11 Speaker 2: was a triangulated radar range with very high powered radar

1:31:16 Speaker 2: where there was a corridor where these craft king flying by,

1:31:20 Speaker 2: and somehow this high powered radar system interacted with the

1:31:24 Speaker 2: navigational system on this craft and it slowly settled down.

1:31:28 Speaker 2: And that may be what we're seeing in a lot

1:31:30 Speaker 2: of these cases where there might be a high powered radar,

1:31:33 Speaker 2: there might be a directed energy weapon, there could be

1:31:35 Speaker 2: a scaler weapon that are being used to target, track

1:31:38 Speaker 2: and shoot these things.

1:31:39 Speaker 1: Down right, getting That's what I like to address the

1:31:44 Speaker 1: most is people are like, well, you know, again, these

1:31:47 Speaker 1: things are so advanced, why are they coming down. Well,

1:31:50 Speaker 1: we might have an answer in the you know, check

1:31:55 Speaker 1: out the locations. They tend to be military bases, absolutely

1:32:04 Speaker 1: important ones, you know.

1:32:07 Speaker 2: Well five or nine bomb group. Yeah, yeah, of comic bomb,

1:32:10 Speaker 2: so it would be very important. Absolutely. Here the other

1:32:14 Speaker 2: Roswell nineteen fifty five across the Texas Mexican border south

1:32:19 Speaker 2: of Langry, Texas. So I want to give credit credit

1:32:22 Speaker 2: to Noe and Reuben who did all the lake work

1:32:26 Speaker 2: tracking this one down. In a nutshell, what we've got

1:32:30 Speaker 2: are four B forty seven's heading south bound near southern Texas,

1:32:37 Speaker 2: heading westbound. They're being escorted by sixteen F eighty six

1:32:41 Speaker 2: saber jets. All of a sudden, this dish shaped craft

1:32:44 Speaker 2: goes right by their flight path. And this one day

1:32:47 Speaker 2: of F eighty six, which you see in this illustration.

1:32:49 Speaker 2: Here he peels away from the flight group and he

1:32:52 Speaker 2: watches as this thing augurs in just south of the

1:32:56 Speaker 2: Rio Grande River. He makes a left hand turn. I'm

1:32:59 Speaker 2: going to go to the next line, and you can

1:33:01 Speaker 2: see the pushpin. Here is Eagle's nest. And you've got

1:33:06 Speaker 2: the Texas Mexican border, you've got Rio Grande, and we've

1:33:09 Speaker 2: got this thing narrowed down plus or minus two hundred feet.

1:33:12 Speaker 2: We know it came down south of Langry, Texas, on

1:33:16 Speaker 2: the Texas Mexican border, just south of the Rio Grande River.

1:33:20 Speaker 2: And so where you see this eagles nest. If you

1:33:23 Speaker 2: go just a little bit south of that, on the

1:33:24 Speaker 2: other side of the river, that's where this thing came

1:33:26 Speaker 2: down literally probably plus or minus three hundred feet. So

1:33:31 Speaker 2: once he makes that left hand turn and starts heading northbound,

1:33:35 Speaker 2: where did he go? Well, he landed at Carswell Air

1:33:38 Speaker 2: Force Base. He got out of his F eighty six

1:33:40 Speaker 2: saber Jet. He drove to course at Canna Municipal Airport

1:33:44 Speaker 2: that you see on the upper right. He was joined

1:33:47 Speaker 2: by a friend. They both pile in a two seat

1:33:50 Speaker 2: tail dragger Auranka and fly back to the crash site

1:33:54 Speaker 2: before it got dark. So I'm going to take you

1:33:56 Speaker 2: there now. So now we've got our primary witness as

1:34:00 Speaker 2: his friend. They've landed. That's what you see in the

1:34:03 Speaker 2: right foreground. The craft was twenty five feet in diameter.

1:34:07 Speaker 2: It left a debris trail as it came in. It

1:34:09 Speaker 2: had a dome on top that flipped up, tipped off

1:34:13 Speaker 2: and was further downrange. Now there were multiple about ninety

1:34:18 Speaker 2: Mexican military personnel at the scene. And what I thought

1:34:22 Speaker 2: was interesting is Reuben told me that the Mexican military

1:34:28 Speaker 2: was going off into the back of the six by

1:34:31 Speaker 2: six troop transport that you see in the upper left

1:34:33 Speaker 2: of the drawing. They were pulling out blankets. They were

1:34:37 Speaker 2: laying the blankets down onto the warm debris, and once

1:34:42 Speaker 2: the blankets were warm, they were taking them and wrapping

1:34:45 Speaker 2: them around their bodies because it was still getting a

1:34:47 Speaker 2: little bit cold out. I thought that was a very

1:34:49 Speaker 2: interesting historical case. Now there were yep.

1:34:53 Speaker 1: Go ahead, that is such a that's like one of

1:34:58 Speaker 1: those details that you just don't like, you can't script

1:35:03 Speaker 1: that you know.

1:35:05 Speaker 2: You can't script. I know, I thought that was a

1:35:07 Speaker 2: historical point. That's something that you really think, wouldn't think

1:35:10 Speaker 2: that'd be a hoaxed little type of a historical detail.

1:35:16 Speaker 2: I think it's very interesting. Yep. Now, there were at

1:35:18 Speaker 2: least four bodies recovered. They were mangled and burnt. So

1:35:22 Speaker 2: if you see the whole breach on the side of

1:35:24 Speaker 2: the craft, I'm going to zoom in here and take

1:35:26 Speaker 2: you a little bit closer to the side of the

1:35:28 Speaker 2: craft here, and according to Air Force pilot Robert Willingham,

1:35:32 Speaker 2: who's our first hand witness quote, their arms looked like broomsticks.

1:35:37 Speaker 2: So these had these emaciated body parts that we talked

1:35:41 Speaker 2: about before on the other side. So I'm going to

1:35:42 Speaker 2: go to the full color rendering here and this shows

1:35:45 Speaker 2: you the scene. This is back in nineteen fifty five

1:35:48 Speaker 2: south of the Rio Grande River. You can see the

1:35:52 Speaker 2: debris trail, You've got the dome popped off. And what

1:35:55 Speaker 2: I want to do now is view a little bit

1:35:57 Speaker 2: closer to where our prime eyewitness looked inside the hull breach.

1:36:02 Speaker 2: And this is what we came up with. It was

1:36:04 Speaker 2: not for the feint of heart. It was a gruesome scene,

1:36:06 Speaker 2: but that's what he described as he looked in the

1:36:10 Speaker 2: craft just across the Rio Grande River. All right, now,

1:36:14 Speaker 2: next one right, Patterson Air Force Base, nineteen fifty five.

1:36:19 Speaker 2: Our primary eyewitness is Missus G. She worked in the

1:36:24 Speaker 2: Foreign Materials Division. Information provided to Leonard Streamfield via Charles Wilhelm.

1:36:31 Speaker 2: This is page seventeen Abstract twelve in the book. So

1:36:36 Speaker 2: think of this as being the closing scene of Raiders

1:36:40 Speaker 2: of the Lost Arc Indiana Jones, where they have this

1:36:42 Speaker 2: big warehouse and all this shelving. She worked in that

1:36:46 Speaker 2: kind of an environment here, so right, Patterson Air Force Base,

1:36:49 Speaker 2: nineteen fifty five, Missus G. And I'm going to take

1:36:52 Speaker 2: you to War Operations Building two fifty eight. This is

1:36:56 Speaker 2: almost identical to the environment that she worked at. Now,

1:37:00 Speaker 2: according to Missus G, she cataloged one thousand components that

1:37:06 Speaker 2: were coming in from the interior of a recovered UFO,

1:37:11 Speaker 2: And I'm going to repeat that a second time. Her

1:37:14 Speaker 2: job was to catalog one thousand components and hardware that

1:37:20 Speaker 2: came in from the interior of a UFO crash retrieval.

1:37:24 Speaker 2: So when we hear about senators and congressmen, well we

1:37:27 Speaker 2: don't have any evidence, we well go talk to Missus G.

1:37:31 Speaker 2: She cataloged a thousand components from one of these things.

1:37:34 Speaker 2: So it's her word against the government. So I'm going

1:37:37 Speaker 2: to go on a little bit further here. Now, this

1:37:41 Speaker 2: is Rudy's drawing that documents kind of what they had

1:37:44 Speaker 2: set up. They had this thing set up like an

1:37:46 Speaker 2: assembly line. So when the debris came in, they had

1:37:49 Speaker 2: one gentleman that was taking photographs of the debris. Then

1:37:53 Speaker 2: they moved it to the next station, and this guy

1:37:56 Speaker 2: was bagging and tagging the debris. Then they moved it

1:37:59 Speaker 2: over to Missus g and she cataloged it. Now, obviously,

1:38:03 Speaker 2: if you have a thousand components, you've got to have shelving.

1:38:06 Speaker 2: You've got to have room for everything. So we started

1:38:09 Speaker 2: populating all of the shelves with all this ET debris. Now,

1:38:12 Speaker 2: I don't know what it looked like right, I wasn't there.

1:38:14 Speaker 2: So we had to come up with something that would

1:38:18 Speaker 2: kind of like document what this may have looked like.

1:38:20 Speaker 2: Now while our primary eyewitness is getting all this recorded,

1:38:26 Speaker 2: she said that there was a mobile Dolly cart that

1:38:29 Speaker 2: went right by her desk that had two deceased ET

1:38:34 Speaker 2: corpses in formelde hyde preservation fluid go right by her desk.

1:38:38 Speaker 2: She saw these two et corpses, and just before she died,

1:38:44 Speaker 2: she said the following quote, Uncle Sam can't do anything

1:38:48 Speaker 2: to me once I'm in my grave. Six months later

1:38:50 Speaker 2: she died. We got her testimony just in time.

1:38:54 Speaker 1: Damn. But so Congress can't go talk to missus.

1:38:58 Speaker 2: We can't talk to her now. But the degree is there,

1:39:01 Speaker 2: the catalog is there, the records are there, the photographs

1:39:04 Speaker 2: are there. It's all there. It's all there. A thousand

1:39:07 Speaker 2: components were recovered.

1:39:09 Speaker 1: Yeah, those things don't just go missing.

1:39:11 Speaker 2: No, they don't. They don't go missing. So here's our

1:39:15 Speaker 2: full color rendering of what this may have looked like.

1:39:17 Speaker 2: So you got Missus G kind of in the background, right,

1:39:20 Speaker 2: You've got the photographer, We've got the preservation of the bodies,

1:39:24 Speaker 2: We've got all the different debris populating the shelving here.

1:39:28 Speaker 2: Something like this back in nineteen fifty five was going

1:39:32 Speaker 2: on at Wright Patterson Air Force Base. And we want

1:39:35 Speaker 2: to honor the testimony of Missus G. Because she's a pioneer,

1:39:39 Speaker 2: she's a patriot. Why would this woman lie? Why would

1:39:42 Speaker 2: this woman lie? She knew she was dying of cancer

1:39:45 Speaker 2: and she let it all hang out. Why would she lie? However,

1:39:48 Speaker 2: I want to mention that we don't have to rely

1:39:51 Speaker 2: on Missus G. Alone. We have an independent second source

1:39:55 Speaker 2: that backs her up. Okay, I want to take you

1:39:58 Speaker 2: to June Crane. People that are involved in this type

1:40:01 Speaker 2: of research know about June Crane. She grew up in Dayton, Ohio.

1:40:06 Speaker 2: She was intimately involved in the librarian system. Just a

1:40:10 Speaker 2: credible woman. Worked for the United States government between nineteen

1:40:14 Speaker 2: forty two to nineteen fifty two, worked in classified laboratories.

1:40:18 Speaker 2: She had a Q clearance. She held ET debris at

1:40:21 Speaker 2: Wright Patterson Air Force Base. Stated that by nineteen fifty two,

1:40:25 Speaker 2: the US government had been involved in three UFO crash

1:40:28 Speaker 2: retrieval operations. Spoke to a pilot that stated that he

1:40:32 Speaker 2: flew in ET bodies and wreckage. So if you want

1:40:35 Speaker 2: to know more about her, this book talks about it.

1:40:39 Speaker 2: Tell my Story June Crane Air Force and UFOs by

1:40:43 Speaker 2: James Clarkson. He interviewed this woman over a period of

1:40:46 Speaker 2: four years and took detailed notes of exactly everything that

1:40:50 Speaker 2: she told him. Very credible witness. When you put these

1:40:54 Speaker 2: two women together, now you got yourself a case. Now

1:40:57 Speaker 2: you cannot deny it anymore.

1:40:59 Speaker 1: You know both that right right, right field?

1:41:03 Speaker 2: Both Patterson Air Force Base.

1:41:05 Speaker 1: Yes, very intriguing, yep.

1:41:08 Speaker 2: So why why would she lie? She's involved in the

1:41:11 Speaker 2: reference library, her name is on the plaque there to

1:41:15 Speaker 2: this day. She's a very reputable woman. No longer with us.

1:41:18 Speaker 2: But again, why would this woman lie to her to us?

1:41:21 Speaker 2: No reason to lie to us at all at all.

1:41:24 Speaker 1: Had had a Q clearance, I.

1:41:26 Speaker 2: Mean clearance, yep.

1:41:28 Speaker 1: Yeah, those people tend to be and people forget, like

1:41:32 Speaker 1: how patriotic it, you know, to be an American After

1:41:36 Speaker 1: World War Two, you were very proud to be an

1:41:39 Speaker 1: American and your country and honor. That meant something to you.

1:41:46 Speaker 1: So for these people who had those clearances to come

1:41:49 Speaker 1: out later in life after seeing kind of what happened

1:41:54 Speaker 1: with that information in that material could be very telling.

1:41:58 Speaker 2: Absolutely, you got it actionable item. Since over one thousand

1:42:04 Speaker 2: components of physical et hardware exists, this evidence should be

1:42:08 Speaker 2: tracked down by senators and congressmen with the appropriate security

1:42:12 Speaker 2: clearances and should be presented in open public congressional hearings.

1:42:16 Speaker 2: That's what needs to happen. This hardware needs to be

1:42:19 Speaker 2: put into congressional hearings. It's there.

1:42:23 Speaker 1: It's there, mister, mister Birchett. That is one thing he

1:42:26 Speaker 1: did say is he said he's not going to stop

1:42:29 Speaker 1: until they can wheel the smoking gun in front of

1:42:35 Speaker 1: the public like that. That's what he wants to do,

1:42:39 Speaker 1: is he wants to be able to roll something out

1:42:42 Speaker 1: and say there it is, just so you guys have it.

1:42:47 Speaker 1: You know, there's your extraordinary evidence.

1:42:51 Speaker 2: So I hope that's the case. I hope that's the case.

1:42:55 Speaker 2: I think we've got time for two more here. So

1:42:57 Speaker 2: this is retired Air Force pilot late nineteen fifty fifties

1:43:00 Speaker 2: interview conducted by Ed camerat Junior. This is a five

1:43:04 Speaker 2: to six minute movie clip, and what he talks about

1:43:07 Speaker 2: is seeing a sixty foot diameter dish shaped craft about

1:43:11 Speaker 2: ten foot wide, gash on the upper dome. It has

1:43:15 Speaker 2: a series of windows wrapper on the outer circumference, and

1:43:17 Speaker 2: he saw within this six minute film clip it kind

1:43:21 Speaker 2: of cut to another scene. So the first scene was

1:43:24 Speaker 2: the interior the hangar with the craft, and then it

1:43:26 Speaker 2: cut to another scene that showed this display panel with iconology.

1:43:31 Speaker 2: There were lettering, there were symbols, there were star charts. There,

1:43:34 Speaker 2: there were three bodies recovered about five feet tall. That's

1:43:37 Speaker 2: within this six minute film clip here. And I'm going

1:43:40 Speaker 2: to do a blow up of what we believe to

1:43:42 Speaker 2: be the propulsion system and one of these display panels.

1:43:46 Speaker 2: I'm going to take you to my full color rendering

1:43:48 Speaker 2: so that we can kind of make this come alive

1:43:50 Speaker 2: and something like this was document. They've got this on

1:43:53 Speaker 2: film too. So not only do we have the bodies,

1:43:56 Speaker 2: we've got the craft, we've got the eight x ten

1:43:58 Speaker 2: black and white, glossy photo and we've got the motion

1:44:01 Speaker 2: picture film reel to back all this up. So this

1:44:04 Speaker 2: kind of gives you an idea what this may have

1:44:05 Speaker 2: looked like within this five to six minute film clip. Here,

1:44:09 Speaker 2: all right, this is another one rite Patterson Air Force Base,

1:44:13 Speaker 2: nineteen sixty two, and we're dealing with a group of

1:44:16 Speaker 2: transient pilots, so credible witnesses, at least five pilots. They

1:44:22 Speaker 2: were part of the three hundred and fifty fourth Technical

1:44:25 Speaker 2: Air Command Fighter Wing right Patterson Air Force Base, nineteen

1:44:28 Speaker 2: sixty two. This is page eighty eight in the book

1:44:31 Speaker 2: Case A six. They're jogging down the row of hangars.

1:44:35 Speaker 2: One of these hanger doors was opened up. They run

1:44:37 Speaker 2: inside because they're looking for this fourth wall to complete

1:44:43 Speaker 2: their handball court, and they walk into this fifteen foot

1:44:49 Speaker 2: diameter dish shaped craft. It's propped up on two engine

1:44:51 Speaker 2: test stands, and there is military police with weapons guarding this.

1:44:58 Speaker 2: And what one of these guys as to one of

1:45:00 Speaker 2: our pilots I thought was very interesting. I'm going to

1:45:02 Speaker 2: go to the full color rendering kind of gives you

1:45:04 Speaker 2: an idea of what this may have looked like back

1:45:07 Speaker 2: in sixty two at right Patterson Air Force Base. So like,

1:45:10 Speaker 2: as we go through these, the craft count goes up,

1:45:13 Speaker 2: the body count goes up, and it's no longer a

1:45:15 Speaker 2: deniable issue at this point because we've got first hand

1:45:19 Speaker 2: military witnesses. But I want to hit you with what

1:45:21 Speaker 2: this guy said. Here's what he said when he was

1:45:24 Speaker 2: challenged by this guard here. He said the guard challenge

1:45:27 Speaker 2: by saying, I don't think you're supposed to be here, sir,

1:45:31 Speaker 2: I replied to the affirmative, and we turned about face

1:45:34 Speaker 2: and departed, mumbling to ourselves that the good old US

1:45:38 Speaker 2: had developed or had all along flying saucers in service.

1:45:42 Speaker 2: So here's another one of these cases where you've got

1:45:45 Speaker 2: military pilots actually seeing flying saucers in these hangars at

1:45:52 Speaker 2: right Patterson Air Force Base. Okay, we'll do one more.

1:45:54 Speaker 2: Braniff International Airways here this plays a role.

1:45:59 Speaker 1: Go ahead, Well, I find that story you just told

1:46:04 Speaker 1: that one to be very in the realm of what

1:46:08 Speaker 1: we just spoke about. Right, he's patriotic. He turns around

1:46:12 Speaker 1: and he's like, hey, at least it's us who has them, right,

1:46:16 Speaker 1: you know?

1:46:17 Speaker 2: Correct? So that's why that case it just rings true.

1:46:22 Speaker 2: Why would this guy lie? Why would he lie all right?

1:46:25 Speaker 2: Reference number fifty three, nineteen sixty three. Source is PJ.

1:46:30 Speaker 2: We have his name. He originally served as a captain

1:46:33 Speaker 2: in the Navy, and later he flew for Braniff International Airways.

1:46:37 Speaker 2: He was at right Patterson Air Force Base back in

1:46:39 Speaker 2: nineteen sixty three. He encountered two flying saucers in a

1:46:43 Speaker 2: hangar there. One was thirty feet in diameter and could

1:46:47 Speaker 2: hold twelve. He said there was a second craft that

1:46:50 Speaker 2: he said could carry two. So he saw two flying

1:46:54 Speaker 2: saucers inside a hanger at right Patterson Air Force Base.

1:46:58 Speaker 2: And we'll kind of wrap this up with this case

1:47:00 Speaker 2: from Ryan Wood.

1:47:02 Speaker 1: Here.

1:47:02 Speaker 2: This is Santa Rosa, New Mexico, Spring nineteen sixty three.

1:47:06 Speaker 2: This is page two one seven in his book. Our

1:47:10 Speaker 2: primary eyewitness was a radar. She was an X ray technician.

1:47:15 Speaker 2: She was not a registered nurse. She was an X

1:47:17 Speaker 2: ray technician. She was twenty four years of age. A

1:47:21 Speaker 2: call came from the dispatcher about a crash of an

1:47:24 Speaker 2: unknown craft across town. So she piles in with the

1:47:28 Speaker 2: doctor into one of these nineteen sixty three four Galaxy

1:47:32 Speaker 2: ambulance cars. They drive across town and when they get there,

1:47:38 Speaker 2: what does she see number one. She sees two squad

1:47:42 Speaker 2: cars at the scene and there's two police officers. She

1:47:45 Speaker 2: gets out and her first thought was where are their parents?

1:47:50 Speaker 2: She sees at least three et bodies three and a

1:47:54 Speaker 2: half feet tall. They look like children, and so they

1:47:59 Speaker 2: load up the bodies into the back of the ambulance.

1:48:02 Speaker 2: They've drive this back to the hospital, and then something

1:48:05 Speaker 2: very interesting happens. Here's our full color rendering that gives

1:48:08 Speaker 2: you an idea of what this may have looked like.

1:48:11 Speaker 2: This is by Thomas Chain. I did one as well.

1:48:14 Speaker 2: I don't think it's as good as what he did,

1:48:15 Speaker 2: but this kempt us giving idea of what this scene

1:48:19 Speaker 2: may have looked like at the crash scene itself. Now

1:48:22 Speaker 2: I want to hit you with how this kind of

1:48:24 Speaker 2: ended here. Within an hour of arriving at the hospital,

1:48:28 Speaker 2: the United States Air Force arrived and ordered all three

1:48:31 Speaker 2: bodies to be removed. They also confiscated all paperwork, notes, graphs, charts,

1:48:37 Speaker 2: and even undeveloped X rays. The X ray technician said

1:48:41 Speaker 2: she saw a flatbed truck outside with an object that

1:48:44 Speaker 2: was covered by a tarp. So not only did they

1:48:46 Speaker 2: get the three bodies, but they got the craft as well.

1:48:49 Speaker 2: Now here's where this Air Force colonel came in and

1:48:52 Speaker 2: told her this quote. He told her this did not happen.

1:48:57 Speaker 2: You are never to speak about this. And remember this.

1:49:01 Speaker 2: The government has a long arm. So what I want

1:49:05 Speaker 2: to do in this presentation is just give you a

1:49:08 Speaker 2: brief overview of some of the mission critical crash retreatal

1:49:11 Speaker 2: cases within the Stringfield collection. The goal here is to

1:49:16 Speaker 2: make these cases come alive and preserve an important part

1:49:20 Speaker 2: of our national history by committing these two well referenced

1:49:24 Speaker 2: and refined drawings and full color renderings. And I want

1:49:28 Speaker 2: to thank you for having me join you today.

1:49:31 Speaker 1: Well, I would love to. I'd love to follow this

1:49:33 Speaker 1: up with you know, the rest and and go through

1:49:39 Speaker 1: more of that research. This was really really fun. I

1:49:43 Speaker 1: personally love this kind of you know, it's a presentation.

1:49:49 Speaker 1: It's it's fun for me to I kind of just

1:49:52 Speaker 1: get to kick back and make make my comments and

1:49:55 Speaker 1: learn most of those cases. Actually, I would say ninety

1:50:00 Speaker 1: nine of those cases. Ninety nine percent of those cases

1:50:03 Speaker 1: I did not know about. It's because you're right, the

1:50:07 Speaker 1: Stringfield books are very I mean, you have to be

1:50:11 Speaker 1: strict in how you read them. They are heavy reading,

1:50:15 Speaker 1: Like you said, so, I think it's a tremendous benefit

1:50:20 Speaker 1: that you have gone in and kind of extrapolated some

1:50:23 Speaker 1: of the data and brought that data to life for

1:50:26 Speaker 1: people to see and hear. So again, I think the

1:50:29 Speaker 1: work that you're doing is absolutely tremendous.

1:50:32 Speaker 2: Thank you. I appreciate it.

1:50:34 Speaker 1: Where can people if they want to find more about

1:50:37 Speaker 1: your research, if they want to hear more about your

1:50:40 Speaker 1: research and get a good look at it, how can

1:50:43 Speaker 1: people do that?

1:50:45 Speaker 2: Okay, I'm on Facebook, I'm on x and I'm also

1:50:48 Speaker 2: on YouTube. My YouTube channel is just my name Michael Schratt.

1:50:52 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'll link them all below. That way, anyone

1:50:56 Speaker 1: who is listening in the future, you guys can check

1:50:59 Speaker 1: out Michael on all of his platforms. As we like

1:51:03 Speaker 1: to say, Michael, uh, you've been our best guest thus far.

1:51:08 Speaker 1: Every guest is the best thus far, you know, and

1:51:12 Speaker 1: uh we truly, we truly appreciate what you've done for

1:51:16 Speaker 1: the topic of UFOs, how much of your time that

1:51:20 Speaker 1: you've you've put into it. And I just want to

1:51:24 Speaker 1: remind everyone that it's going to take all of us

1:51:27 Speaker 1: to uh run the ball into the end zone. You know,

1:51:31 Speaker 1: it's not a one player game. It's gonna take you know,

1:51:36 Speaker 1: it's gonna take us all coming together. So keep keep

1:51:40 Speaker 1: up the great work, Michael, and we'll definitely be talking soon. Okay,

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1:52:07 Speaker 1: to this guy, because you never know what might fly

1:52:09 Speaker 1: by or apparently crash. All right, guys, see you next time.

1:52:14 Speaker 2: Cool h