Lue Elizondo: Just a Man? A Myth? Or a legend? Modern Day UFO disclosure

0:00 Speaker 1: Look here, here's the bottom money, guys. It's it's very simple.

0:02 Speaker 1: Either A the reality is that UAP are here, or

0:05 Speaker 1: B this is some form of mass hysteria. And if

0:08 Speaker 1: it is mass hysteria, that means you have admirals, generals,

0:11 Speaker 1: trained pilots with top secret clearances, weapons officers, air force

0:14 Speaker 1: nuclear technicians literally with their fingers on the nuclear button.

0:19 Speaker 2: Yeah right, that are all batch crazy Luise Alexander, Alexander.

0:24 Speaker 1: Lou alexandoon.

0:27 Speaker 3: What is going on?

0:27 Speaker 2: As aliens?

0:29 Speaker 1: We call them UAPs, non human na tried.

0:31 Speaker 2: Tic tac, black cube, jellyfish, red triangular crafte. That's nuts.

0:36 Speaker 4: You can't stop the United pilot from posting a ticked off.

0:39 Speaker 2: The white lettering under interference syndrome injuries and what's going

0:43 Speaker 2: on there?

0:44 Speaker 1: I'll have to be carefully sing qu are we ready

0:47 Speaker 1: to tell the American people the truth about you have

0:49 Speaker 1: heard ahead?

1:03 Speaker 4: Hey?

1:03 Speaker 5: Brother?

1:04 Speaker 1: Are you man?

1:07 Speaker 5: So?

1:07 Speaker 1: I still.

1:09 Speaker 4: After you?

1:10 Speaker 1: Hey? Gent by the way, you're not gonna leave this

1:12 Speaker 1: this gentleman here, mister hill I was living here in Washington,

1:15 Speaker 1: d C. In nineteen fifty two doing the things UFO

1:18 Speaker 1: incident here over Washington, and he was he just picked

1:22 Speaker 1: it up right now and and his father were sitting

1:23 Speaker 1: on the front porch.

1:25 Speaker 6: He actually witnessed the UFO event here over the Capitol Building.

1:28 Speaker 1: One of the last few people that I know that

1:30 Speaker 1: I actually can tell the story.

1:32 Speaker 2: We got an interview.

1:33 Speaker 1: I literally just met him right now, but about ten

1:36 Speaker 1: minutes ago. You know that this guy is Yeah.

1:39 Speaker 3: I didn't do to face when he came to the til.

1:40 Speaker 1: I said, no, no, know what you say. You know,

1:42 Speaker 1: I told him he should have.

1:44 Speaker 2: Just turned me away. First off, I want to give

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1:55 Speaker 2: Today's guest is the man behind modern UFO. Disclosure him

2:00 Speaker 2: or love him. There's a high chance you wouldn't even

2:03 Speaker 2: be thinking or talking about UFOs right now if it

2:06 Speaker 2: weren't for this man and his work over the last

2:09 Speaker 2: eight years.

2:10 Speaker 1: What's it like to be me? I wouldn't want anybody

2:12 Speaker 1: to have to be me. I don't want to be

2:14 Speaker 1: me in this particular case, because it's very tough. You're right.

2:19 Speaker 1: Half of the government hates what I've done. They consider

2:22 Speaker 1: it talking at a school, and of course you're right,

2:25 Speaker 1: half the public doesn't know what to think, right am.

2:28 Speaker 1: I disinformation agent? I got all these things around here

2:30 Speaker 1: from various intelligence agencies, right, I can't be trusted.

2:36 Speaker 2: No way.

2:38 Speaker 1: How you doing, sir, Nice to meet you. Oh my god,

2:41 Speaker 1: I'm living. I actually geek it out for like the

2:43 Speaker 1: first time ever. Sorry, your name Nate, Nate. Nice to

2:47 Speaker 1: meet you, sir. Sure if you want No, that's this guy.

2:54 Speaker 1: He's the famous YouTuber behind too What the Devil's Tell

3:00 Speaker 1: and runs into this games.

3:02 Speaker 2: Luis Elizondo is a Pentagon whistleblower whose fame has reached

3:06 Speaker 2: new heights with his autobiography Imminent, in which he discusses

3:10 Speaker 2: the existence of American legacy UFO reverse engineering programs and

3:15 Speaker 2: of non human intelligence, the fact that we are not alone.

3:19 Speaker 1: I don't think the fact that we are not alone

3:21 Speaker 1: in this universe is necessarily something that needs to be classified.

3:26 Speaker 2: He was the director of a TIP, or the Advanced

3:29 Speaker 2: Aerial Threat Identification Program, which was an offshoot of AWSET,

3:33 Speaker 2: or the Advanced Aerospace Weapons Systems Application Program. I know

3:37 Speaker 2: a lot of acronyms will help you understand these programs

3:41 Speaker 2: in what they were actually intended for later in the episode,

3:44 Speaker 2: because there are a lot of popular misconceptions about both.

3:49 Speaker 7: Baby, this is great.

3:53 Speaker 2: Yeah. This interview took place across two locations. Lose Home

3:58 Speaker 2: in Wyoming we filmed two years ago, and a certain

4:01 Speaker 2: special naval lodge in Washington, d C.

4:04 Speaker 1: This August Wow Masonic Temple. A lot of our founding

4:08 Speaker 1: fathers were Freemations, and a lot of these buildings were

4:12 Speaker 1: built by inspired by Freemason.

4:14 Speaker 2: And you have the pyramid and the eye on the

4:16 Speaker 2: dollar and oh yeah, yeah, a lot.

4:18 Speaker 1: Of inbolting, the Pentagon itself, the shape of the Pentagon,

4:21 Speaker 1: the way all the Lafont basically the architect who built DC. Yeah,

4:27 Speaker 1: if you look at the street from the air, you

4:29 Speaker 1: see the squared compass.

4:31 Speaker 2: So in I didn't know that.

4:32 Speaker 8: Yep.

4:34 Speaker 2: I brought along a Markandeal, one of my best friends

4:37 Speaker 2: and one third of the incredible YouTube channel Yes Theory,

4:41 Speaker 2: to help here, and we had an absolute blast.

4:43 Speaker 4: Dissemination of information is now exists in a way that

4:46 Speaker 4: it cannot be controlled.

4:48 Speaker 1: You know, until recently, I'd never seen close encounters a

4:50 Speaker 1: third kind. I found it really interesting that Spielberg got

4:54 Speaker 1: a lot of it right.

4:55 Speaker 2: I was like, Wow, before I lose pivotal in UFO investigations,

5:02 Speaker 2: he had an extremely intense history in American special operations, warfare,

5:07 Speaker 2: and intelligence.

5:08 Speaker 1: I've seen both the best of man and the worst

5:10 Speaker 1: of man, all within seconds of each other.

5:21 Speaker 2: His father, Lou Senior, was a Cuban exile who originally

5:25 Speaker 2: fought shoulder to shoulder with Castro. After falling out with

5:31 Speaker 2: the Cuban Communists and coming to America, he became part

5:34 Speaker 2: of the CIA's Bay of Pigs invasion to toppel Castro. Finally,

5:38 Speaker 2: he joined a hardcore militant group of Cuban exiles called

5:42 Speaker 2: Alpha sixty six that engaged in all sorts of very

5:46 Speaker 2: interesting rogue operations for three letter agencies. Alpha sixty six's

5:51 Speaker 2: explicit mission was to eventually invade Cuba and topple Castra.

5:55 Speaker 2: This was the environment Elizondo grew up in. Little Lou

5:58 Speaker 2: knew how to work every under the sun.

6:03 Speaker 1: Here's how you cocked this, pull it back, let it go,

6:07 Speaker 1: Bang bang bang, bank bank bank, bank bank in see.

6:13 Speaker 2: He went on to fulfill a pretty badass career in

6:16 Speaker 2: American defense and intelligence, protecting the US's most advanced technologies,

6:21 Speaker 2: running intelligence efforts against Isis, al Qaida, Hezbola, the Taliban,

6:26 Speaker 2: and FARK. He's been deployed across the world, and he

6:30 Speaker 2: even held a leadership position at the notorious Guantanamo Bay.

6:34 Speaker 2: Perhaps most importantly, he was a liaison to the Special

6:37 Speaker 2: Access Oversight Committee. Why does that even matter? Because this

6:41 Speaker 2: committee deals with the most sensitive, unacknowledged programs in our military. Finally,

6:46 Speaker 2: according to future guests of this show, Matthew Pines Blue

6:50 Speaker 2: even was a member of the US Army Intelligence Support

6:53 Speaker 2: Activity Group, otherwise known as Gray Fox. This was a

6:57 Speaker 2: tiny elite of the elite special missions unit that goes

7:01 Speaker 2: into hostile territory before Delta Force and Jaysock. And if

7:05 Speaker 2: you know anything about Jaysock, they might have a thing

7:07 Speaker 2: or two to do with UFO Crash Retrievals.

7:11 Speaker 1: Does the Dewey currently work with Jaysock?

7:13 Speaker 9: We work with all of the security entities around the

7:17 Speaker 9: federal government.

7:18 Speaker 10: Did you guys work with Jaysock?

7:19 Speaker 11: Yes or no?

7:21 Speaker 4: Yes? We do?

7:22 Speaker 1: Okay, everybody sausphy one o the truth? Okay, But how

7:25 Speaker 1: much of the truth do you want to know? And

7:27 Speaker 1: how much should we know?

7:29 Speaker 2: In twenty seventeen, after trying to brief General mad Dog

7:33 Speaker 2: Mattis on UFOs and having the door shut in his

7:36 Speaker 2: face by some bureaucratic intermediaries. Elizondo, along with his friend,

7:40 Speaker 2: former Deputy Assistant Secretary for Defense Intelligence Chris Mellin, decided

7:45 Speaker 2: to go off script. They took matters into their own hands,

7:49 Speaker 2: and they got three UFO videos cleared for release by

7:52 Speaker 2: the Pentagon. They took those videos to the New York

7:54 Speaker 2: Times for a bombshell article that was released in twenty

7:58 Speaker 2: seventeen that fateful day. UFOs have been all the rage, movies,

8:03 Speaker 2: media press. It is now pass to say that you

8:06 Speaker 2: believe in UFOs. It's a cottage industry, and yet simultaneously,

8:11 Speaker 2: very few people can tell you anything about them, who

8:14 Speaker 2: their occupants are, where they're from, and why they're here.

8:18 Speaker 1: This is a raging wildfire now, and it's not because

8:21 Speaker 1: of me. I can't take credit for that. It's because

8:23 Speaker 1: of what your generation has done with it. When we're

8:26 Speaker 1: off Cameron, we're going to show you guys something. We'll

8:28 Speaker 1: see how you react.

8:29 Speaker 2: O Blue cannot violate any security clearances, and so sometimes

8:33 Speaker 2: conversations with him can be frustratingly high level. Is there

8:37 Speaker 2: some spectrum that spots the UFOs more frequently?

8:42 Speaker 1: Uh huh. I have to be carefully asruing that question.

8:46 Speaker 1: There's some that's a good question.

8:48 Speaker 2: Okay, but if you suspend your cynicism for a moment

8:52 Speaker 2: and actually take some of his high level analogies as

8:55 Speaker 2: very important puzzles to decode core truths underneath layers that

8:59 Speaker 2: need to be peeled off carefully. This interview has a

9:02 Speaker 2: startling amount of information. I'm saying this not you, but

9:06 Speaker 2: I think I think infrared is interesting.

9:10 Speaker 1: Yeah, infrared can tell you a whole lot of stuff.

9:12 Speaker 2: Yeah, specific band.

9:14 Speaker 1: Yeah, we know that UAP are interested in nuclear capabilities

9:22 Speaker 1: and our military capabilities. It's no different than we go

9:25 Speaker 1: to the Serengeti and we watch the cheetahs preying upon

9:28 Speaker 1: the antelope. You know, it's it's interesting to watch. What

9:31 Speaker 1: is their hunting techniques? What are their capabilities. There's a

9:38 Speaker 1: lot of cult history, occult history and essa.

9:42 Speaker 2: From the catastrophic implications of weaponizing UFO technology to the

9:47 Speaker 2: esoteric roots of the American space program to alien chips

9:51 Speaker 2: implanted in human bodies, one of which Lou actually handled firsthand.

9:55 Speaker 1: It was moving under the microscope under its own metabolism.

9:59 Speaker 2: To regular we seeing green orbs in his house, to

10:02 Speaker 2: him astral projecting himself next to a terrorist as a

10:05 Speaker 2: part of a CIA operation to his formerly undisclosed work

10:09 Speaker 2: with David Grush.

10:10 Speaker 1: We both worked in a skift together. I am telling

10:12 Speaker 1: you straight up, that guy he knows a lot more

10:14 Speaker 1: even than he was allowed to say.

10:16 Speaker 2: The amount of reality altering claims Lou makes in this

10:19 Speaker 2: episode could warrant one hundred other episodes.

10:22 Speaker 12: They seem to be interested in nuclear stuff.

10:24 Speaker 2: There is an absolute connection to New Fear. Yeah, absolutely?

10:27 Speaker 2: And is it that's unequivocal? Do you think it's the

10:30 Speaker 2: power unlock more than the destructive force?

10:33 Speaker 1: I think.

10:37 Speaker 13: So.

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13:40 Speaker 14: My father and I were sitting on the back porch

13:42 Speaker 14: and you happened to look up and see it looks

13:45 Speaker 14: like full plaise look please or something it.

13:48 Speaker 3: Likes four of them.

13:50 Speaker 14: They trailer lot be full of what handed and I

13:54 Speaker 14: asked him to follow what was it?

13:56 Speaker 1: He does a little bit, Muca. I don't know how

13:59 Speaker 1: did which direction house face your porch?

14:01 Speaker 14: My porch was like the thirteenth and ebit twelve blocks

14:05 Speaker 14: from here from the Capitol, right off half a block

14:09 Speaker 14: off of Pennsylvania Avenue and my back porch. From my

14:13 Speaker 14: back porch you could see the Capitol.

14:16 Speaker 2: This show contained a lot of bizarre synchronicities that I

14:20 Speaker 2: have trouble explaining. In fact, the groundskeeper of this lodge,

14:24 Speaker 2: an eighty two year old man named Maurice Hill, recognized

14:28 Speaker 2: Lou before we even got there and started to open

14:31 Speaker 2: up about his own UFO encounters. Soon we learned that

14:35 Speaker 2: he was one of the last living witnesses of the

14:37 Speaker 2: famous DC flyover, a slew of UFO sightings in July

14:42 Speaker 2: of nineteen fifty two in the Capitol, prompting headlines like

14:45 Speaker 2: this newspaper article and a call between Truman and then

14:49 Speaker 2: American chief UFO investigator Edward J. Rupelt. It also sent

14:53 Speaker 2: the CIA into a frenzy about how to manage the

14:56 Speaker 2: UFO problem.

14:57 Speaker 1: We can say that the recent site you are in

15:00 Speaker 1: no way connected with any secret development by any department

15:05 Speaker 1: of the United States. There's been a lot of discussion

15:08 Speaker 1: that actually there were some I think it was an

15:11 Speaker 1: F one oz five fighter jet that was actually scrambled

15:14 Speaker 1: to intercept those lights, those luminous objects. And there's even

15:18 Speaker 1: one reported account where perhaps they were asked to fire

15:21 Speaker 1: upon and may have actually hit one of them. That

15:24 Speaker 1: has not been verified yet, but there are some allegations

15:27 Speaker 1: about that.

15:28 Speaker 14: And then two of my friends were standing on the

15:31 Speaker 14: sidewalk talking down on Wildly Street northeast and while we

15:36 Speaker 14: were talking, this happened to look up to see this

15:39 Speaker 14: thing going up in the air. Looked like a huge jellyfish.

15:44 Speaker 14: We'll see what the hell is the jellyfish doing doing?

15:47 Speaker 14: And it just was going up and up like the

15:51 Speaker 14: jellyfish was in the water or whatever. At the bottom

15:54 Speaker 14: of it. Looking at it, it looks like looking into

15:57 Speaker 14: a volcano when you see a reddish and black the

16:01 Speaker 14: lava had lava bubbling or whatever. That's what it looked

16:04 Speaker 14: like under the bottom of it.

16:05 Speaker 1: First of all, when when did this occur?

16:07 Speaker 14: What what year that was in the seventies, around seventy

16:11 Speaker 14: three seventy four.

16:13 Speaker 1: Early to mid seventies. Yeah, okay, and was that here

16:15 Speaker 1: in Washington, d C. Yeah? Do you remember what direction

16:18 Speaker 1: you were looking at in the sky?

16:21 Speaker 14: Yeah, that way southeast?

16:27 Speaker 1: How far away? And how big was the object? If

16:29 Speaker 1: you had to guess.

16:30 Speaker 14: That thing was big? It was about the size of

16:33 Speaker 14: the maybe a car like around, but it was round,

16:38 Speaker 14: about the size of a cob. And it was about

16:41 Speaker 14: when I first saw it was like like looking at that,

16:46 Speaker 14: and then it looked like it was just going up

16:48 Speaker 14: and almost like a parachute.

16:50 Speaker 6: Is that ah, like a parachute like, but it was

16:53 Speaker 6: just going interesting, Well, how is this about thirty feet? Yeah,

16:58 Speaker 6: we're roughly about thirty fet That was about forty five

17:02 Speaker 6: or fifty feet A little wow.

17:05 Speaker 2: When UFO researcher Jeremy Corbel released a video that was

17:09 Speaker 2: caught in Iraq in twenty eighteen of a jellyfish shaped UFO,

17:14 Speaker 2: I have to admit I was a bit skeptical. It

17:16 Speaker 2: just felt like the object looked like none of the

17:18 Speaker 2: other discs, tic TACs saucers that get reported it was

17:22 Speaker 2: extremely high strangeness and so hearing this groundskeeper Maurice Hill

17:27 Speaker 2: saying that he himself had had an up close and

17:30 Speaker 2: personal encounter with a jellyfish shaped UFO was actually pretty

17:34 Speaker 2: mind blowing and was fairly confirming for me.

17:37 Speaker 1: Well, thank you for your yeah, sir, it's been an

17:40 Speaker 1: honored privilege. Thank you very much, mister Hill. Oh you will,

17:42 Speaker 1: thank you, thank you for telling that story for us.

17:45 Speaker 2: That's amazing, both the DC flyover and the jelly right.

17:48 Speaker 1: And by the way, there's other accounts of jellyfish hold

17:50 Speaker 1: on now yeah. Oh yeah, there's actually a DVD on

17:53 Speaker 1: it too. Yeah.

17:55 Speaker 2: Are they dropping anything because I know there's some cases

17:57 Speaker 2: where there's multilava.

17:59 Speaker 1: Yeah, we always mostly there's a there's a reference to

18:03 Speaker 1: something called angel hair, which refers to a slewing off

18:08 Speaker 1: or sloughing off of the outer layer of the vehicle

18:11 Speaker 1: and it drips down onto onto almost like a like

18:14 Speaker 1: a residue or like a like molten metal on the ground,

18:19 Speaker 1: and that that is referred to as angel hair. I

18:21 Speaker 1: talk about my book that the external part of the

18:24 Speaker 1: craft may be a blative, sacrificial that's why there's a

18:28 Speaker 1: lot of layers. Potentially, what happens is that when it's

18:31 Speaker 1: juiced up, there is an interaction between the energy source

18:35 Speaker 1: and the outside of the craft, which is actually engine.

18:37 Speaker 1: It's not actually an engine inspide and that is what

18:40 Speaker 1: creates that bubble. But every time you juice it up,

18:42 Speaker 1: you lose a layer.

18:45 Speaker 2: It's disposable.

18:46 Speaker 1: Correct. Would you talked to people that quote unquote call

19:02 Speaker 1: themselves experiencers or quote unquote abductees, They'll say the same thing.

19:06 Speaker 1: There's this correct pattern where it's almost as if an

19:09 Speaker 1: individual has chosen. And what you saw in the movie

19:12 Speaker 1: last night was was a kind of a I think

19:14 Speaker 1: a hot tip to that. Do you that that it's

19:19 Speaker 1: not random? That there is definitely some sort of deliberateness,

19:22 Speaker 1: if you will, or purposeful selection.

19:31 Speaker 2: You handled an implant and it was it was the

19:35 Speaker 2: department of that affairs affairs give you this implant that

19:40 Speaker 2: you describe it as these fibers, these spinley fibers, and

19:43 Speaker 2: then you sort of you get those away from the thing.

19:45 Speaker 2: It's like microchip. Is that right?

19:48 Speaker 1: So it's let me give you the best explanation. I

19:50 Speaker 1: can imagine a little square piece of metal that was iridescent,

19:55 Speaker 1: meaning different colors, purples and silvers and different colors, that

19:59 Speaker 1: was entombed in a soft, gelatinous what appeared to be

20:05 Speaker 1: human soft tissue if you were to remove a tissue

20:08 Speaker 1: sample from somebody maybe about this big and inside there

20:11 Speaker 1: was a foreign object that was metallic, appeared to be

20:15 Speaker 1: metallic and multicolored and on the biological materialist encapsulation, these fibers,

20:22 Speaker 1: multicolored fibers, yellow greens, blues that came off of that

20:27 Speaker 1: central piece of gooey mass. And according to the pathologists,

20:34 Speaker 1: it was moving under the microscope under its own metabolism. Yeah,

20:39 Speaker 1: and it was removed by a surgeon from the Department

20:42 Speaker 1: of Veterans Affairs from a US veteran who claimed to

20:46 Speaker 1: have a up close and personal contact with a UAP

20:50 Speaker 1: occupants or just up I don't know about that particular case,

20:55 Speaker 1: and I have to be very Pippa and patient confidentiality.

21:00 Speaker 2: Where do we have any sense of where that implant

21:02 Speaker 2: is or we have an idea?

21:04 Speaker 4: Okay, are you familiar with whitley'sdriver's store?

21:07 Speaker 1: I am not.

21:08 Speaker 4: Well, So Whitley has has an implant in his ear

21:11 Speaker 4: that has been documented under like an X ray, and

21:16 Speaker 4: in an attempt for him to to extract it, it

21:19 Speaker 4: had the same behavior. It evaded the surgeon.

21:21 Speaker 1: So we have someone right now, there's a person at

21:24 Speaker 1: one of the aerospace corporations. I cannot say their name

21:26 Speaker 1: because I don't want to get them any kind of trouble.

21:28 Speaker 1: But they've had something moving in their body now for

21:31 Speaker 1: several years and then they keep look cutting it in

21:33 Speaker 1: different parts of the body.

21:34 Speaker 4: Yeah, And I've asked Whitty about it, because he was

21:37 Speaker 4: a sole conference and I asked him, like why he

21:40 Speaker 4: never why he never removed it, And if I remember correctly,

21:43 Speaker 4: it was something around like he just he he felt

21:46 Speaker 4: like maybe there was maybe this was the nhi's way

21:50 Speaker 4: of communicating with him, and he didn't want to He

21:53 Speaker 4: didn't want to interrupt that. And it was also his

21:56 Speaker 4: his late wife she had recommended that he doesn't he

21:59 Speaker 4: doesn't take it out.

22:07 Speaker 15: I know that there's a story about edgar Mitchell, who

22:09 Speaker 15: was a naval astronaut who said that in a in

22:13 Speaker 15: a training mission over Germany, he saw over multiple days,

22:16 Speaker 15: sauce squadron of like nine UFOs that flew in all

22:20 Speaker 15: these different formations, and he had footage off them. They

22:23 Speaker 15: said that when he got back to the US in Washington,

22:25 Speaker 15: as soon as he landed a military plane land that

22:28 Speaker 15: took the footage.

22:29 Speaker 12: Never heard about it again.

22:31 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, look, it's it's not uncommon. Let's let's

22:33 Speaker 1: talk about one of the founders of my program a tip,

22:36 Speaker 1: the Senator Stevens from Alaska. This was a World War

22:40 Speaker 1: Two pilot, he who he himself admitted he had encounters

22:44 Speaker 1: with food fighters during the war. Okay, and this is

22:47 Speaker 1: a senator fighter food fighters. So the food fighter is

22:50 Speaker 1: a it's a term that was used by the Allies

22:53 Speaker 1: for UFOs huh, that would chase the aircraft and follow

22:58 Speaker 1: them from during their during their operations, midter operations over

23:03 Speaker 1: occupy Germany and other places as well.

23:06 Speaker 15: It was so where does all this Where do all

23:11 Speaker 15: these videos and reportings end up?

23:15 Speaker 1: That's a great question one I probably can't answer right

23:20 Speaker 1: now but hopefully soon.

23:21 Speaker 2: For the food fighters, they seem like more like flare

23:27 Speaker 2: style or like like ball lightning sort of things.

23:30 Speaker 1: Some are some are actual technical crafts. A lot were

23:32 Speaker 1: described as as as you know, glowing balls if you will,

23:35 Speaker 1: light luminous luminous objects. Yeah, but there's actually pictures of them.

23:41 Speaker 2: So why did so many? Because the food fighters were

23:43 Speaker 2: famous nineteen forty four nineteen forty five in a specific

23:47 Speaker 2: kind of triangle of southern Germany, So why do you

23:50 Speaker 2: think those things kind of popped up there specifically.

23:53 Speaker 1: Well, military operations, right, we know that UAP are interested

23:56 Speaker 1: in nuclear capabilities and our military capabilities. So what was

24:01 Speaker 1: going on at the height of World War Two? Well,

24:04 Speaker 1: winter takes all. Both countries are trying to be the

24:05 Speaker 1: first to develop the atomic bomb, right, and a lot

24:10 Speaker 1: of new technology was being fielded by both sides, and

24:13 Speaker 1: a winner takes all scenario. So you know, if you

24:16 Speaker 1: wanted to see how it's no different than we go

24:19 Speaker 1: to the Serengeti and we watch the cheetahs pring upon

24:22 Speaker 1: the antelope. You know, it's interesting to watch what is

24:25 Speaker 1: their hunting techniques, what are their capabilities?

24:32 Speaker 2: As edgar Mitchell sort of pattern match to a specific

24:37 Speaker 2: type of abductee who almost has a conversion experience post experience,

24:43 Speaker 2: so they have some sort of close encounter maybe of

24:47 Speaker 2: you know, with the craft or of the third kind,

24:49 Speaker 2: and then afterwards they start to believe more in mind

24:52 Speaker 2: over matter, more in sort of parapsychology, and maybe even

24:57 Speaker 2: that you know, they exhibit strange sort of biological features

25:00 Speaker 2: that they never had prior.

25:02 Speaker 1: Well, you know a lot of people who experience life

25:05 Speaker 1: changing events no different than PTSD right and soldiers who

25:09 Speaker 1: who suffer some sort of trauma or drama that changes you. Yeah,

25:14 Speaker 1: it will change you. It can change the way you think,

25:16 Speaker 1: the way you perceive. I don't think it's that really

25:19 Speaker 1: far of a leap to suggest that if you have

25:22 Speaker 1: an extraordinary experience and it's going to change your life

25:25 Speaker 1: in an extraordinary way.

25:27 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, Like gury Geller says that he had an

25:29 Speaker 2: et experience as a young.

25:31 Speaker 8: Kid, Mitchell tells me one day, Edgar Mitchell, the sixth

25:34 Speaker 8: Man paula fourteen who walked on the Moon. Ori, is

25:37 Speaker 8: somebody very important in NASA secret base that wants to

25:40 Speaker 8: meet you. I said, fine, who is he? And he

25:43 Speaker 8: says to me it's doctor Werner van Brown. I say, what,

25:47 Speaker 8: doctor Verner von Brown wants to meet me. He was

25:51 Speaker 8: a Nazi, I mean, but he was a rocket genius.

25:55 Speaker 8: My curiosity killed me. I said, let's go. Verner pulls

25:59 Speaker 8: out a piece of man and he says to me, Uri,

26:02 Speaker 8: touch this. Tell me what you feel. I put my

26:05 Speaker 8: fingers on it and I say, wow, it doesn't feel

26:08 Speaker 8: like it's from here.

26:09 Speaker 2: Then he says, come with me.

26:10 Speaker 8: Do you see this door behind him? Verner von Brown

26:13 Speaker 8: takes me into his personal office. There is a safe

26:16 Speaker 8: in the office. He opens the safe. I see a

26:19 Speaker 8: piece of metal. I've never seen such a color. Pulls

26:22 Speaker 8: it out. It's not heavy, says Uri. Touch this, tell

26:25 Speaker 8: me what you feel now. I put my hand on it,

26:28 Speaker 8: and I say, Werner, this is not from here.

26:29 Speaker 1: He says, you're right.

26:31 Speaker 8: This is a piece of a UFO that crashed on

26:34 Speaker 8: our planet. You know, I'm mind blown because as a

26:38 Speaker 8: child I used to sneak into movie theaters in Tel

26:40 Speaker 8: Aviv to see films on extraterrestrial life. And this is

26:44 Speaker 8: coming from the mouth of Werner Van Brown.

26:48 Speaker 2: I think he was part of the starting of stargate right, originally.

26:51 Speaker 16: The ah in that Russell targ He was really the

26:58 Speaker 16: guy who brought the V two rocket, Yeah, which.

27:02 Speaker 1: Is really like a scud missile.

27:03 Speaker 2: Well, what I find so crazy with the rocket? He

27:05 Speaker 2: and Arthur Rudolph and have created the NASA Saturn program. Correct,

27:10 Speaker 2: that was one hundred and twenty nine people. It was

27:12 Speaker 2: a transplant of the Nazi program.

27:13 Speaker 1: Absolutely, haven't worked secretly with us.

27:16 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's pretty nuts. Yeah, and you had a bunch

27:18 Speaker 2: of other Auto Skorzen. He had a bunch of people

27:21 Speaker 2: we took over YEP from Buddy Germany. Is there anything

27:26 Speaker 2: more kind of mystical or strange than meets the eye

27:28 Speaker 2: when it comes to the history of US rocketry.

27:31 Speaker 1: Sure, Look at launch Pad thirty three. I mean everything

27:34 Speaker 1: is Masonic. Look at the Apollo missions. These were all

27:37 Speaker 1: the zodiac signs, right. You have Apollo, and you have

27:40 Speaker 1: the Juno missions, have all these Mercury missions, And there's

27:44 Speaker 1: a lot of occult history, occult history in NASA.

27:50 Speaker 2: As Lou mentions here, even the conventional American space program NASA,

27:55 Speaker 2: the Saturn and Apollo programs have far more esoteric roots

27:59 Speaker 2: than meet Some of the top American astronauts were Freemasons.

28:04 Speaker 2: Buzz Aldrin, Gordon Cooper, Don f Isazel, Gus Grissom, James Irwin,

28:10 Speaker 2: and Edgar Mitchell were all Freemasons. Another famed astronaut of

28:14 Speaker 2: the highest thirty third Masonic rink was the famous John Glenn,

28:20 Speaker 2: who urged Terry Reid to investigate UFOs as part of OSAP.

28:26 Speaker 2: Buzz Aldrin even established a Masonic lodge on the Moon

28:30 Speaker 2: called Tranquility Lodge two thousand, chartered by the Grand Lodge

28:34 Speaker 2: of Texas and brought a free Masonic Scottish rite flag

28:37 Speaker 2: to the moon to consecrate the whole thing. Do you

28:42 Speaker 2: think that somehow made the program more effective or well?

28:48 Speaker 1: I mean, look whether it did or not. I mean,

28:49 Speaker 1: if people have a belief in something, you know, there's

28:51 Speaker 1: like there's that ould saying there's no such thing as

28:53 Speaker 1: an atheist in a foxhole. The idea or notion that

28:58 Speaker 1: people at the supernatural can assist you is no different

29:02 Speaker 1: than back of the Romans carrying Talus mount into combat

29:05 Speaker 1: or conferring with the oracles Delphi before a major battle

29:10 Speaker 1: of significant event.

29:11 Speaker 2: Right, and what about the start of the American space program?

29:14 Speaker 2: Jack Parsons, the godfather of American rocketry and founder of

29:19 Speaker 2: jet propulsion laboratories, would often recite occultist Alistair Crowley's version

29:24 Speaker 2: of the hymn Japan before every rocket test. Who lines

29:30 Speaker 2: were love waves of sim He also claimed to have

29:33 Speaker 2: encountered a blonde haired alien falling a ritual in the

29:36 Speaker 2: Mohave Desert in nineteen forty eight. Hi, there are you

29:40 Speaker 2: interested in the White House? So Jack Parsons was in

29:43 Speaker 2: the Oto. You know this crazy cult?

29:47 Speaker 1: I too?

29:48 Speaker 2: Yeah, this is with Alistair Crowley. And all that, and

29:51 Speaker 2: they would do past life regressions Jack Parsons if you

29:54 Speaker 2: go all the way to the past in terms of

29:57 Speaker 2: what his life was.

29:58 Speaker 1: Blood it's called sex magic. It was some of the

30:00 Speaker 1: the the the occult aspects of OTO. Yeah, the sex

30:05 Speaker 1: magic rituals.

30:06 Speaker 2: Yeah, they did that. And but his his past life

30:08 Speaker 2: regression was Simon the Sorcerer, and you know, you know,

30:12 Speaker 2: Simon the Sorcerer was kind of uh So Simon the Sorcerer.

30:16 Speaker 2: That how the word simony came into existence is he

30:20 Speaker 2: was using sort of black magic to levitate and then

30:24 Speaker 2: he saw I think it was like Peter and Paul

30:27 Speaker 2: y uh they were levitating because of God, and he

30:30 Speaker 2: was like, oh yeah, the Disciples and he was like, okay,

30:35 Speaker 2: like you guys are somehow levitating higher than me. I'd

30:38 Speaker 2: love to pay for that power. So that's where the

30:40 Speaker 2: word simony comes from.

30:41 Speaker 1: Mm.

30:42 Speaker 2: And so he could fly using the sort of d

30:44 Speaker 2: black magic sort of thing. Jack Parsons uh sort of

30:48 Speaker 2: a known occultist who would do all sorts of weird

30:50 Speaker 2: sex magic rituals, and uh also was very interested in

30:55 Speaker 2: kind of levitation. When they did a past life regression

30:57 Speaker 2: on him, apparently that.

30:58 Speaker 12: Was what they wow.

31:00 Speaker 2: And just listen to what religious studies professor Diana Posulka

31:04 Speaker 2: had to say in our interview about just how religious

31:07 Speaker 2: and interested in Latin and Greek rituals people in the

31:11 Speaker 2: Space program are.

31:13 Speaker 17: Yes, they were doing some extraordinary types of rituals and

31:16 Speaker 17: they definitely believed that they were in touch with these beings.

31:20 Speaker 17: They presented them differently. So the Parsons crew, Yeah, they

31:24 Speaker 17: were way out there and they were doing this in

31:27 Speaker 17: the La Desert, right and staff, and they were doing

31:30 Speaker 17: ritual magic and they believed that they were in contact

31:33 Speaker 17: with you know, extraterrestrials and.

31:35 Speaker 4: Things like that.

31:35 Speaker 2: All right.

31:38 Speaker 17: On the Russian side though, they were doing the same thing,

31:40 Speaker 17: but it was under a Christian veneer. So Chikowski believed

31:44 Speaker 17: that he was actually in touch with the angelic beings

31:46 Speaker 17: and he talks about it and writes about it, and

31:49 Speaker 17: that these beings are in constant contact with us if

31:52 Speaker 17: we're able to receive their knowledge.

31:56 Speaker 2: And there's been this weird progressive split in science from

32:00 Speaker 2: like if you look at any of the most interesting

32:02 Speaker 2: scientists back in the day who've contributed most of science,

32:05 Speaker 2: whether it was Newton or Bacon or you know, Jack

32:08 Speaker 2: Parsons was more of an industry man, but like all

32:11 Speaker 2: of these people dabbled in some weird beliefs and practices.

32:15 Speaker 2: And now it's this weird citadel where like you have

32:18 Speaker 2: to be this very straight edge materialist reductionist in the

32:22 Speaker 2: kind of Ivory tower.

32:24 Speaker 12: And then there's like woo woo.

32:26 Speaker 2: You know, people that write about how quantum physics is

32:28 Speaker 2: the law of attraction, but there's no real scientific base

32:31 Speaker 2: and it's this bizarre bifurcation that I think has caused

32:34 Speaker 2: real stagnation.

32:35 Speaker 1: You have religion, you have science. Right, think of it

32:41 Speaker 1: as think of it your Egyptian right. Think of a pyramid. Right.

32:46 Speaker 1: On one side of the pyramid, you have these wonderful

32:49 Speaker 1: stones making the pyramid right, and on the other side

32:52 Speaker 1: you have this thing called science. Right, and when you're

32:54 Speaker 1: standing at the base of the pyramid and you're looking up. Okay,

32:58 Speaker 1: when I'm on this side, I'm on SCIgen, it's religion

33:01 Speaker 1: could not be any further they are. They almost diametrically

33:03 Speaker 1: because right, but as you begin to climb the pyramid,

33:08 Speaker 1: what happens. Religion and science get closer and closer together,

33:12 Speaker 1: and in fact they lean on each other, they need

33:14 Speaker 1: each other, and in fact, there comes a point of

33:17 Speaker 1: singularity here where the difference between science.

33:19 Speaker 2: And religion is indistinguishable.

33:21 Speaker 1: They are the same. And the point being is that

33:25 Speaker 1: the problem where religion and science run into problem is

33:28 Speaker 1: that they're fundamentally asking two different questions. One is asking how,

33:34 Speaker 1: one is asking why, and that is why the two

33:38 Speaker 1: don't meet. At the bottom you read the Tora, there's

33:42 Speaker 1: the stories that we grew up learning, and then there's

33:44 Speaker 1: you know, kabbala, which was kind of that part that

33:47 Speaker 1: most people were like, hey, you know, you don't want

33:48 Speaker 1: to spend too much time reading that. Let's let the

33:50 Speaker 1: let the experts, you know, focus on that. But there's

33:54 Speaker 1: a lot of this, both science and mysticism. We were

33:57 Speaker 1: talking about the Quran here and and some of the

34:02 Speaker 1: numerology that is in there. When I see your knowledge,

34:04 Speaker 1: I mean in a classic sense of knowledge. What I

34:06 Speaker 1: mean is the ratios, the way words are spoken, how

34:09 Speaker 1: they're spoken, and how they relate to real day science.

34:12 Speaker 1: You have to say, wait a minute, there is some

34:15 Speaker 1: insight here that goes way beyond I mean, there is

34:19 Speaker 1: true hard science. The development of the fetus. It's another

34:22 Speaker 1: example that you have this beautiful marriage, is beautiful merger

34:27 Speaker 1: of religion and science, and this understanding that you have

34:30 Speaker 1: to have both that the spiritual world the physical world

34:34 Speaker 1: are all part of the bigger plane. Do you know

34:36 Speaker 1: where the word angel comes from? Now comes from the

34:39 Speaker 1: Latin word a helios, so a helios sun or light

34:44 Speaker 1: or fire, purity. It's a term to describe the supernatural

34:51 Speaker 1: properties of these supernatural beings.

35:00 Speaker 2: Do you think that you know, rumors that the Nazis

35:02 Speaker 2: had a flying saucer, you know, do you think that's

35:05 Speaker 2: a shriver meta?

35:07 Speaker 11: Uh?

35:08 Speaker 1: Well, I think they something tried. I mean there's you know,

35:10 Speaker 1: the experiments which were which we're now known and other ones.

35:17 Speaker 2: And they are food fighters over Bavaria.

35:20 Speaker 1: But in reality they they did not have the technology

35:25 Speaker 1: that we're seeing today the distant.

35:28 Speaker 2: Do you do you think there's all this stuff around?

35:30 Speaker 2: You know, you know what Operation high Jump is. Of

35:32 Speaker 2: course you think that's a bullshit story where Admiral Richard

35:35 Speaker 2: Byrd goes down the coast of Argentina towards the Antarctica

35:39 Speaker 2: and he and his fleet encounter lad they're shooting discs.

35:44 Speaker 1: The problem is also said a lot of other things. Right,

35:47 Speaker 1: they found green spaces in Antarctica and other things. And

35:50 Speaker 1: the problem with it is you can get on Google

35:52 Speaker 1: now you can see for yourself that's bullshit. Yeah do

35:57 Speaker 1: you think so?

35:57 Speaker 2: Do you think there's nothing to the non or Hitler

36:01 Speaker 2: fascinating fast?

36:02 Speaker 1: They were fascinating in They had several missions down there. Yeah,

36:06 Speaker 1: I mean it was a it was a hidden content, yeah,

36:09 Speaker 1: you know, I mean no, there was absolute truth to that. Yeah.

36:14 Speaker 1: The question is were they successful in exploiting it? Yeah,

36:17 Speaker 1: the answer is probably no.

36:19 Speaker 2: Yeah. It feels like in if you're talking about science,

36:28 Speaker 2: we've gotten to there. We're reaching kind of a Heisenberg

36:32 Speaker 2: limit of science in terms of scale, and so it

36:36 Speaker 2: feels like the next frontier is within is looking at consciousness.

36:41 Speaker 2: And all science goes through, you know, the mind body problem,

36:44 Speaker 2: It goes through a fundamental epistemology of consciousness. So do

36:50 Speaker 2: you think that that's somehow super important for the next

36:54 Speaker 2: scientific paradigm or breakthrough?

36:56 Speaker 11: Well?

36:56 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, look, when you ask a computer do

37:00 Speaker 1: a calculation, right, the computer is has basic programming? Is

37:07 Speaker 1: it dos? Right? Is it Windows based?

37:09 Speaker 4: Is it?

37:10 Speaker 1: And that will tell you the limitations of its processing capability.

37:13 Speaker 1: We're no different We're just biological computer systems, and we

37:17 Speaker 1: have our limitations, we also have our strengths.

37:19 Speaker 2: So this is an interface.

37:20 Speaker 1: It's an interface, right, And do you.

37:22 Speaker 2: Think the ability to move outside of the interface in

37:25 Speaker 2: certain cases allows certain people to see UFO?

37:28 Speaker 1: Possibly? Possibly? Maybe some of the computers can work both

37:32 Speaker 1: Windows and DOSS and because of that, you know, UFOs

37:36 Speaker 1: versus not.

37:37 Speaker 2: Is there something because so we see generally between four

37:40 Speaker 2: hundred and seven hundred nanometers in the electromagnetic wave spectrum.

37:43 Speaker 2: Is there some spectrum that spots the UFOs more frequently?

37:51 Speaker 1: I'll have to be carefully answering that question. There's it's

37:55 Speaker 1: a good question.

37:56 Speaker 2: Okay, okay, I'm saying this not you, but I think

38:05 Speaker 2: I think infrared is interesting.

38:08 Speaker 1: INFORED can tell you a whole lot of stuff.

38:10 Speaker 2: Yeah, specific bands of it.

38:12 Speaker 1: Yeah.

38:13 Speaker 18: M I was contacted by a CEO of a think

38:26 Speaker 18: tank in Washington, d C. He says, I want you

38:29 Speaker 18: to come and participate in the conference here in Washington.

38:34 Speaker 3: That's all.

38:36 Speaker 1: Be busy.

38:37 Speaker 19: What's it about? This conference is about disclosing something to

38:42 Speaker 19: the American public as a startup position. So let's the

38:48 Speaker 19: scene that there have been crashing treebles by Russia, China

38:54 Speaker 19: and the United States, and the question is can we

38:59 Speaker 19: bring the.

39:01 Speaker 2: How put off was at the Sole conference last year

39:05 Speaker 2: and he told a very interesting story of actually the

39:07 Speaker 2: George W. Bush administration where they're doing this kind of

39:11 Speaker 2: net assessment is oh, he told that he told that

39:14 Speaker 2: story publicly, really yeah, in front of an audience.

39:17 Speaker 1: I never thought that conversation would come out.

39:19 Speaker 2: And it's tell it's you know on YouTube now, So.

39:22 Speaker 1: That actually occurred. That was a real conversation. I'll bet

39:25 Speaker 1: you know what. Probably not a whole lot of people

39:27 Speaker 1: know that the YouTube is out there, because when I

39:29 Speaker 1: knew about it, it was very very very very sensitive. Yeah.

39:32 Speaker 2: So he says some pretty crazy study. He says that

39:34 Speaker 2: George W. Bush was very interested in disclosure at he

39:38 Speaker 2: and Cheney and they were thinking about, you know, disclosure,

39:41 Speaker 2: and they did this sort of net assessment study on

39:44 Speaker 2: it with their national secure.

39:46 Speaker 1: Bush his father was aware. He was briefed into the.

39:48 Speaker 2: UAP director of the CIA for a very long time.

39:51 Speaker 1: Correct. Correct, And there's a backstory there too, and probably

39:54 Speaker 1: not at liberty to discuss, but but George Bush Senior

39:56 Speaker 1: was briefed into the UAP reality.

39:59 Speaker 2: And so so Junior is interested in possible disclosure. They

40:03 Speaker 2: come out of that study under Stephen Hadley, national Security

40:06 Speaker 2: advisor at the time, basically saying that we actually don't

40:09 Speaker 2: think full disclosure is good for humanity. The fact that

40:13 Speaker 2: George W. Bush contemplated UFO disclosure is fairly mind blowing.

40:18 Speaker 2: It's especially interesting in light of the revelation my friend

40:22 Speaker 2: Walter kernbroke after his conversation with David Grush, and I.

40:26 Speaker 18: Said to him, who, among all the people in society.

40:31 Speaker 1: Is keeping this secret?

40:32 Speaker 3: Who sits atap the.

40:33 Speaker 12: Pyramid of classified information?

40:36 Speaker 3: He said, Dick Cheney.

40:40 Speaker 2: If Dick Cheney was in fact a gatekeeper for the

40:43 Speaker 2: legacy UFO programs, then it leads me to believe that

40:46 Speaker 2: either the program was trying to out itself with Cheney's

40:50 Speaker 2: tacit approval, or if UFO disclosure was presented by outsiders,

40:54 Speaker 2: Cheney probably helped squash the idea. Either way, this is

40:58 Speaker 2: certainly a loose thread worthy of follow up because we

41:01 Speaker 2: know George Bush's father, George H. W. Bush, was fully

41:05 Speaker 2: read into UFO legacy programs. Just listen to this anecdote

41:08 Speaker 2: from Lee's lawyer, Daniel Sheehan.

41:11 Speaker 5: President Carter had seen a UFO, Yeah, in nineteen sixty nine.

41:16 Speaker 5: I believe it was, And so that when he was

41:19 Speaker 5: elected in the first week of November of nineteen seventy six,

41:25 Speaker 5: you know, the first thing he did was he sent

41:28 Speaker 5: for the head of the Central Intelligence Agency to come

41:31 Speaker 5: down to Planes Georgia to brief him on the UFO issue.

41:34 Speaker 5: And it turns out that person was George hw.

41:37 Speaker 1: Bush.

41:40 Speaker 2: Do you agree with that net assessment? Do you think

41:43 Speaker 2: that that full disclosure is too kind of cataclysmic for

41:46 Speaker 2: the average world.

41:46 Speaker 1: Well, there's between full disclosure and disclosure. Full disclosure is perhaps,

41:51 Speaker 1: you know, letting the world know if we've gleaned any

41:53 Speaker 1: technological advance from it, you know, towards our adversaries. I

41:57 Speaker 1: do think there's a need to keep things classified. I

42:00 Speaker 1: do think that there are reasons we don't want to

42:02 Speaker 1: tip our hand to our technological advantage over a particular adversary, right,

42:06 Speaker 1: we don't want to start another race, you know, weapons race.

42:12 Speaker 1: But at the same time, disclosure itself, the fact that

42:14 Speaker 1: we're we are not alone. No, I think I think

42:17 Speaker 1: America can handle the truth. In fact, I think America

42:20 Speaker 1: deserves the truth. I think we have to do a

42:22 Speaker 1: better job. I think we as a people need to

42:25 Speaker 1: stop being spoon fed information from what certain elements in

42:30 Speaker 1: our government tell us again, let me let me just

42:32 Speaker 1: clarify her, because this is important. I'm not against my government.

42:34 Speaker 1: I have to ever choose between real national security and disclosure.

42:37 Speaker 1: I will always choose national security. I make no mistake.

42:40 Speaker 1: And people might say, oh, they're terrible, do hey I

42:43 Speaker 1: am I'll play. I am a patriot. I am loyal

42:45 Speaker 1: to my nation. I am loyal to the American people.

42:47 Speaker 2: I mean like, it's it's it's kind of a two

42:49 Speaker 2: pronged issue. It's sort of criminal to keep the nature

42:52 Speaker 2: of reality from you know, the American population. That's sort

42:55 Speaker 2: of really unethical. The fact that STEM students are growing

42:58 Speaker 2: up maybe with the wrong framework. Because I spoke to

43:00 Speaker 2: output Off, he said that topological physics could be being

43:03 Speaker 2: held within you know, the government.

43:05 Speaker 1: You know that there's physics knowledge held by aerospace companies

43:09 Speaker 1: that is.

43:09 Speaker 20: Not there certainly is materials knowledge materials well, okay, materials

43:14 Speaker 20: which involves topological physics or whatever.

43:19 Speaker 2: That seems a little you know, off to me. But

43:22 Speaker 2: then on another level, even from a national security perspective,

43:26 Speaker 2: if we have these programs. You take Carl Nell's you know,

43:30 Speaker 2: you set up Army Futures Command. You take his statements

43:32 Speaker 2: in the debrief eight face value, which is that we're

43:35 Speaker 2: in this arms race to reverse engineer these crafts visa v.

43:38 Speaker 2: Russia and China. If we have this balkanized corporatized system

43:43 Speaker 2: where these with these fiefdoms to avoid Foyer requests that

43:48 Speaker 2: was set up in the fifties, and you have all

43:50 Speaker 2: these aerospace corporations, many of which you've named in your

43:52 Speaker 2: book Lockey, Northrope, you know, Bae, all these sorts of

43:55 Speaker 2: you know, companies, and we're sort of doling out, you know,

43:59 Speaker 2: you take care of this system. You take care of

44:01 Speaker 2: this system. You take care of this system. And then

44:03 Speaker 2: in the Russian Chinese side, they have these centralized nationalized

44:07 Speaker 2: systems with their best and brightest working on it. How

44:10 Speaker 2: are we not call this Manhattan Project two point zero?

44:13 Speaker 2: How are we not going to lose Manhattan Project two

44:16 Speaker 2: point oh?

44:16 Speaker 1: Correct? Let me let me share something with you, and

44:19 Speaker 1: I go back to the whole corruption thing. When when

44:21 Speaker 1: people in the government are making unilateral decisions not to

44:24 Speaker 1: inform Congress and not to inform the executive branch and

44:27 Speaker 1: making a decision to keep disinformation away from American people

44:30 Speaker 1: without going through the proper, proper processes, you know, to

44:33 Speaker 1: make that decision. That's a problem I have. And look,

44:37 Speaker 1: we when I asked, how did I'm gonna ask you

44:40 Speaker 1: a very simple question, both of you, and it's all political,

44:43 Speaker 1: very simple. How did nine to eleven happen? Do we

44:47 Speaker 1: know how nine eleven actually happened? I mean not conspiracy,

44:50 Speaker 1: I mean honestly, And we could say because some terrorists

44:53 Speaker 1: hijacked in aircraft, But what really happened is that we

44:57 Speaker 1: didn't share information. We had, the CIA, the FBI, the

45:01 Speaker 1: Department Events all had pieces and bits and pieces of

45:04 Speaker 1: information and they didn't share it with each other. And

45:07 Speaker 1: that's what caused nine to eleven. Okay, And that's important

45:10 Speaker 1: because we won the Cold War against Russia, not because

45:16 Speaker 1: we kept better secrets. And by the way, this is

45:18 Speaker 1: a line that I learned from Christopher Mellen, who knows

45:21 Speaker 1: his shit. Chris said, we didn't win the Cold War

45:26 Speaker 1: because we kept better secrets in Russia. We won the

45:29 Speaker 1: Cold War because we knew how to move information more

45:32 Speaker 1: efficiently within our system. Right. The problem is we haven't

45:37 Speaker 1: learned our lesson with nine to eleven, and we're continuing

45:40 Speaker 1: to do It's the same thing with UAP. We haven't

45:43 Speaker 1: learned to move that information appropriately, and it's staying in

45:47 Speaker 1: these silos. And what's happening. It's becoming necronic. It's the

45:52 Speaker 1: information and insight is dying there. It's not getting out.

45:58 Speaker 1: And I think, especially when you look looking at a

46:00 Speaker 1: competitive situation, global situation like we have now with adversaries

46:04 Speaker 1: out there, Russia and China have no problem talking about

46:07 Speaker 1: this at all. Of In fact, China had a couple

46:09 Speaker 1: of years ago in the China Morning Sun an article

46:11 Speaker 1: about the Five Continents initiative. I mean, they're full till boogie.

46:15 Speaker 1: They're like, hey, we know these things are real. We're

46:16 Speaker 1: moving forward.

46:17 Speaker 2: Yeah.

46:17 Speaker 1: Countries in South America, same thing. Japan just begged the

46:20 Speaker 1: United States to enter into a bilateral information sharing agreement

46:24 Speaker 1: with the United States solely for the purposes of sharing

46:26 Speaker 1: UAP information.

46:27 Speaker 2: It's crazy. I recently, a couple of weeks ago, I

46:30 Speaker 2: spoke with had a revolutionary tech former, had a revolutionary

46:33 Speaker 2: technologies at Lockheed Skunk Works, and he said, I could

46:37 Speaker 2: say high level that we spoke really nice guy, cool guy.

46:41 Speaker 1: He's a good dude.

46:42 Speaker 2: I brought up there, you go. I brought up a

46:45 Speaker 2: couple of frameworks that if you were to talk to

46:49 Speaker 2: an average, you know, professor in any science program across

46:54 Speaker 2: the country, they would call me crazy. Parapsychology, this idea

46:57 Speaker 2: of mind over matter. You sort of talk a little

46:59 Speaker 2: bit about this in your book Imminent with kind of

47:01 Speaker 2: remote viewing. And then I also brought up this sort

47:04 Speaker 2: of you know, different version of electrodynamics, you know, sort

47:07 Speaker 2: of a little change in Maxwell's equations. And he was

47:11 Speaker 2: very like, there's a lot of resonance there. He agreed

47:14 Speaker 2: with me on a lot of this stuff. And I'm

47:16 Speaker 2: having this conversation thinking, how the hell does this like renegade,

47:21 Speaker 2: scrappy kid who like it's like I have a history degree,

47:24 Speaker 2: I don't know shit, and this aerospace guy we're agreeing

47:28 Speaker 2: on stuff. And then like you have Sean Carroll Neil

47:30 Speaker 2: de grasse Tyson, like our best and brightest scientists have

47:32 Speaker 2: no idea what either of us would be talking about.

47:35 Speaker 2: It's crazy.

47:36 Speaker 1: Sometimes knowing history is one of the most important things

47:39 Speaker 1: you can know.

47:42 Speaker 2: Hear that, mom.

47:49 Speaker 12: They seem to be interested in nuclear stuff. There is

47:51 Speaker 12: an absolute connection to move hear?

47:53 Speaker 1: Yeah? Absolutely?

47:54 Speaker 2: And is it that's unequivocal?

47:56 Speaker 12: Do you think it's the power unlock more than the

47:58 Speaker 12: destructive force.

48:00 Speaker 1: I think I'll shave that when when I'm not like them.

48:06 Speaker 12: Yeah, no worries.

48:07 Speaker 1: So let's look at this real quick. Have you have

48:09 Speaker 1: the fundamental understanding of space? You have points A in

48:14 Speaker 1: points B. Okay, now you and I. If I want

48:18 Speaker 1: to drive from let's say here in Wyoming down to Denver, Colorado,

48:22 Speaker 1: that's expressed as a function of distance over time. And

48:26 Speaker 1: I could have gone four hundred miles and it took

48:28 Speaker 1: me eight hours, and I express it linearly right, So

48:30 Speaker 1: here I am near and it takes me eight hours.

48:33 Speaker 1: And if I have the ability to form space time

48:35 Speaker 1: not even that much, I'll have to foll all you

48:37 Speaker 1: have to do. Watch this. If you have the ability

48:40 Speaker 1: to just compress space time a little bit, yeah, just

48:43 Speaker 1: a little bit. Now watch this. I'm going to show

48:46 Speaker 1: you this. So now my trip from Wyoming to Denver,

48:55 Speaker 1: instead of taking you know, four hundred miles and eight hours,

48:59 Speaker 1: can do it in one hundred miles, and I can

49:02 Speaker 1: do it in one hour. Right, But I'm still in

49:05 Speaker 1: the same universe as you. What do I see you doing?

49:08 Speaker 2: I see that, you see that, I see this incredible

49:11 Speaker 2: spect I see you observe crazy speeds. It's just temporal

49:16 Speaker 2: dimension hacking, right, But it seems like.

49:19 Speaker 1: It's just a walk in the park. I'm going in

49:21 Speaker 1: slow motion, but be watching whoa and this whole space

49:25 Speaker 1: Because this is like this. The object inside that bubble

49:28 Speaker 1: might actually be much bigger than what we're seeing.

49:31 Speaker 2: So if he equals mc square squared, then the only

49:39 Speaker 2: way to get this sort of space time metric effect

49:42 Speaker 2: is if you have enough energy, you got.

49:44 Speaker 1: It, because if you do it, the only two ways

49:46 Speaker 1: will warp space time is with mass or a lot

49:48 Speaker 1: of energy. Think of mass and energy as the same thing.

49:51 Speaker 1: Mass is ice, energy as steep, but they're both water. Okay,

49:55 Speaker 1: so same thing kind of here. Energy and mass had

49:57 Speaker 1: this relationship.

49:57 Speaker 2: So you need to get playing scale energy something I cannot.

50:01 Speaker 1: If I use mass to do this, I'm going to

50:03 Speaker 1: I need I need mass more than the Earth. I'm

50:05 Speaker 1: going to perturb everything on the planet. So what's probably happening,

50:08 Speaker 1: it's it's a whole lot of that uh that is

50:11 Speaker 1: that is doing that's allowing you to create a bubble

50:14 Speaker 1: and then do.

50:15 Speaker 2: That it's some material that's able to harness that sort

50:18 Speaker 2: of energy, which, wow, how Camp, what would be your

50:23 Speaker 2: confidence level of that theory being true?

50:26 Speaker 1: I would not have shared that with you if I

50:28 Speaker 1: wasn't highly confident.

50:29 Speaker 2: But that but how you can't ultimately no rite or

50:33 Speaker 2: or can you?

50:34 Speaker 1: You know, there's some a lot of smart people out there,

50:36 Speaker 1: certainly a lot smarter than me, that have come up

50:38 Speaker 1: with some interesting scientific models and mathematical formulas that say

50:44 Speaker 1: that could very well be the case.

50:53 Speaker 2: As app stands. For the Advanced Aerospace Weapons Systems Application Program,

50:58 Speaker 2: a Pentagon program that ran from two thousand and seven

51:01 Speaker 2: to twenty twelve, Harry Reid, the Senate Majority leader from Nevada,

51:05 Speaker 2: with a deep personal interest in UFOs, Daniel Inuay from Hawaii,

51:10 Speaker 2: and Ted Stevens, Senator from Alaska, who had seen a

51:13 Speaker 2: UFO as a fighter pilot in World War Two, all

51:16 Speaker 2: provided a twenty two million dollar contract to Bigelow Aerospace

51:21 Speaker 2: to basically study UFOs and paranormal phenomena at Skinwalker Ranch.

51:26 Speaker 2: But as we've heard from the UFO whistleblower, David Grush,

51:29 Speaker 2: the original intent of the program was actually far more ambitious.

51:33 Speaker 21: The Lockey Martin wanted to divest itself from this material

51:37 Speaker 21: at a specific facility that's known to me that I

51:40 Speaker 21: provided to the Inspector General. And the idea was if

51:43 Speaker 21: they made a Catcher's mint, a security catchers mint for

51:46 Speaker 21: this shit at you most serious set possible. The contractor

51:51 Speaker 21: and the other government customer, which was the Central Intelligence

51:54 Speaker 21: Agency for that specific Lockeed material. And it was shit

51:59 Speaker 21: that they recovered from like the fifties and stuff, and

52:01 Speaker 21: it was like bits and pieces of of like Hall

52:04 Speaker 21: structure shit like that. So they were going to tech

52:07 Speaker 21: transfer its and the twenty one or twenty two million

52:09 Speaker 21: dollars was actually for Big Low Aerospace to build out,

52:14 Speaker 21: you know, facilities in Las Vegas and material analysis equipment.

52:19 Speaker 2: But going back to that transfer.

52:20 Speaker 21: With Lockeed, basically the CIA UH said fuck you Toda

52:26 Speaker 21: and Lockeed and it was totally killed. So Harry Reid's

52:31 Speaker 21: request to get the material transfer to the ASEPP program

52:35 Speaker 21: was totally killed because of bureaucracy and kind of fiefdom stuff.

52:40 Speaker 2: So OSAP was actually set up to transfer a UFO

52:44 Speaker 2: held by Lockeed Martin to a Special Access Program to

52:48 Speaker 2: get some outsider civilian scientist eyes on it. The program

52:51 Speaker 2: was not initially just set up to study ORBS cattle

52:54 Speaker 2: mutilations and electromagnetic anomalies on Skinwalker Ranch. That's what it

52:58 Speaker 2: got turned into when the craft never got successfully transferred.

53:02 Speaker 2: This would explain the program lead rocket scientist James Lukatski

53:06 Speaker 2: telling Jeremy Corbel on his podcast Weaponized that he actually

53:10 Speaker 2: stepped inside the hull of a craft that was probably

53:14 Speaker 2: the craft that was going to be transferred to ASAPP.

53:17 Speaker 2: The United States government has in its possession of craft

53:19 Speaker 2: of unknown origin, and you were able to access the inside.

53:24 Speaker 2: Is that correct? Yes. It's very important to note that

53:28 Speaker 2: a lot of people in the general public implicitly accept

53:32 Speaker 2: ASAPP as the most secret core UFO program there is.

53:37 Speaker 7: They just released I think by accident.

53:41 Speaker 1: How's that happened?

53:42 Speaker 14: It's ConA blue.

53:44 Speaker 1: Are you familiar with this?

53:45 Speaker 2: No?

53:45 Speaker 14: This is like a UAP program.

53:47 Speaker 2: Yeah, just think about it. Lockeed spends roughly eighty five

53:53 Speaker 2: million dollars on a single New F thirty five fighter jet.

53:56 Speaker 2: Do you really think that the same company that builds

53:58 Speaker 2: the F thirty five would only spend twenty two million

54:01 Speaker 2: dollars on investigating an off world craft they discovered. No,

54:05 Speaker 2: absolutely not. But say you have an incredibly secretive UFO

54:09 Speaker 2: program involving only people who've signed the most hardcore of NDAs.

54:15 Speaker 2: As time went on, maybe it would become harder and

54:18 Speaker 2: harder to get talent from the outside world. Maybe you'd

54:21 Speaker 2: find yourself competing with Chinese and Russian equivalents that are

54:25 Speaker 2: far more centrally coordinated. And maybe what you'd do is

54:28 Speaker 2: set up a limited hangout whereby you'd transfer some of

54:32 Speaker 2: that technology without saying too much about it, to get

54:35 Speaker 2: some outside eyes on it, so that some new physics, biology,

54:39 Speaker 2: and aerospace talent could look at these mysterious vehicles and

54:42 Speaker 2: contribute their input. You'd probably learn a few things this way.

54:46 Speaker 2: Number one, who is worthy of being initiated into the program?

54:50 Speaker 2: Number two? How much money would allow adversaries to successfully

54:54 Speaker 2: understand or attempt to reverse engineer a UFO that they've found.

54:58 Speaker 2: Number three, what are effective ways is to throw people

55:01 Speaker 2: off the trail? And number four one of the most

55:03 Speaker 2: effective but limited information sets you can give out so

55:07 Speaker 2: that only the most qualified initiates can discover core truths.

55:12 Speaker 2: The person involved in transferring this UFO to Asapp was

55:16 Speaker 2: VP of Lockeed Martin Space System's Advanced Technology Center, a

55:20 Speaker 2: guy named Jim Ryder.

55:22 Speaker 13: AFSAPP was originally intended to skip out Bigelow Aerospace facilities

55:27 Speaker 13: in Las Vegas do to a UAP material divestment plan

55:33 Speaker 13: proposal to asset leadership by Lockheed Martin Space Systems vice

55:38 Speaker 13: president doctor James Ryder, now deceased.

55:42 Speaker 2: I urge everyone to listen to this talk Jim Ryder

55:45 Speaker 2: gave called the Garment of God.

55:49 Speaker 9: If you wanted to study certain kinds of things related

55:51 Speaker 9: to what's called ESP in the United States, you had

55:54 Speaker 9: to height it very carefully because you were crazy and

55:57 Speaker 9: then government and wanting people to thunk their supporting ray stuff.

56:01 Speaker 9: But if you wanted to do the work in Russia,

56:03 Speaker 9: go right ahead, fine, here's your money, because they're not

56:07 Speaker 9: caught in the religion that says it's not possible.

56:09 Speaker 2: I have to say I found myself agreeing with just

56:12 Speaker 2: about all of his philosophical and scientific frameworks. But he

56:16 Speaker 2: says things you would never expect a prime defense contract

56:20 Speaker 2: or executive to say. He speaks about love as a

56:23 Speaker 2: physical force and divine love being the highest example of

56:27 Speaker 2: that force. He talks about the law of attraction, of

56:30 Speaker 2: extrasensory perception, and psychic abilities of an electrically polarizable vacuum,

56:36 Speaker 2: even of the relationship of electromagnetism the human body and healing.

56:41 Speaker 2: He even speculates that gravity is an electric dipole. I

56:46 Speaker 2: highly recommend you listen to this talk on linking it.

56:48 Speaker 2: In the description of this video. One of the stories

56:54 Speaker 2: in Imminent, which is maybe the most mind blowing, is

56:57 Speaker 2: that you and some CIA colleagues, you guys had there's

57:02 Speaker 2: a terrorist in custody, and you guys are engaging in

57:05 Speaker 2: remote viewing protocols and you're testing out how effective They

57:08 Speaker 2: already want to say, what happens here, it's absolutely wild.

57:12 Speaker 1: Yeah, hal Putoff is kind of the godfather of the

57:19 Speaker 1: CIA's remote viewing program. But basically it is a fact

57:22 Speaker 1: that the US government, the intelligence community, we were taking

57:26 Speaker 1: spies and soldiers and teaching them to conduct what into

57:30 Speaker 1: vernacular you call psychic espionage. And by the way, Russians

57:35 Speaker 1: had a program too, So it wasn't just us trying

57:37 Speaker 1: to you know, pull something out of thin air. You know, again,

57:39 Speaker 1: no pun intended, but so were the Russians. And other countries,

57:44 Speaker 1: and there were some very effective cases where I mean

57:47 Speaker 1: it was very very compelling the data. I mean, there

57:49 Speaker 1: was no way you could repeat it without the getting

57:52 Speaker 1: getting those conclusions without remote viewers. So I was at

57:57 Speaker 1: the Pentagon. I also managed one of the UFO program.

58:01 Speaker 1: I was running portions of Guantanamo Bay involving high value detainees,

58:06 Speaker 1: and we decided to conduct an experiment where a few

58:10 Speaker 1: of us would get into a skiff. We had a

58:12 Speaker 1: brown black lunch, and we maybe thought we could try

58:19 Speaker 1: to remove you. And I had been to the detention

58:23 Speaker 1: facility before I got you. Really careful what I say here,

58:28 Speaker 1: I can get a hell of a lot of trouble,

58:32 Speaker 1: not realizing if you're effective or not. And then lo

58:37 Speaker 1: and behold. Not too long later, a major news media

58:41 Speaker 1: article came out I'm not going to say which one

58:44 Speaker 1: that detailed this detainees' experience with what apparently the detainee

58:51 Speaker 1: perceived as those five white figures over his bed, shaking

58:57 Speaker 1: his bed. And so I called up hal Putoff and

59:01 Speaker 1: I told him, I said, hey, boss, I you know,

59:06 Speaker 1: I think we think we need to stop because it's

59:08 Speaker 1: now the front page of the news. Favor I might

59:10 Speaker 1: have been the front page, but one of the front

59:11 Speaker 1: pages of the of the sections there, and he kind

59:15 Speaker 1: of chuckled and he says, yeah, you know. There was

59:17 Speaker 1: another time where I had told Hal I said, I

59:19 Speaker 1: have a really bad feeling there's something going to happen

59:21 Speaker 1: with the DC Metro within ninety days, and I can

59:25 Speaker 1: smell fire and smoke, and I'm very concerned. And he said, okay,

59:29 Speaker 1: we'll log it. And on the eighty ninth day talked

59:32 Speaker 1: to hell about it. On the eighty ninth day there

59:35 Speaker 1: was a fire, fatal fire on the redline of the

59:37 Speaker 1: Metro in DC. Now with that said, listen, that doesn't

59:40 Speaker 1: do as well as woo woo mumbo jumbo. Look, guys,

59:44 Speaker 1: I think there's a very scientific explanation. I think most

59:47 Speaker 1: people can do it. I think probably it's a vestigial

59:49 Speaker 1: capability that we've had for a long time as a species,

59:52 Speaker 1: before we had, you know, the sophistication of verbal communication. Look,

59:57 Speaker 1: when two dogs come into a room, there's this nonverbal communication.

1:00:01 Speaker 1: It's probably something very similar. I think it's probably based

1:00:03 Speaker 1: in quantum physics. If I had the guess, it's we

1:00:06 Speaker 1: don't quite understand it yet, But it's really not that special.

1:00:10 Speaker 1: You know a lot of people when you get to

1:00:12 Speaker 1: a hotel and you pick up the phone you call

1:00:14 Speaker 1: a loved one, they're like, oh my gosh, I was

1:00:15 Speaker 1: just thinking of you, right, probably something very similar.

1:00:19 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's but it's it's wild, and it's wild how

1:00:22 Speaker 2: much corroboration there actually is for this working. There's you know,

1:00:25 Speaker 2: this woman named Jessica Uttz who's this famous statistician, came

1:00:29 Speaker 2: in skeptical looking at all of the kind of Foyd

1:00:32 Speaker 2: stargate or declassified stargate documents, and she came out of

1:00:36 Speaker 2: this study saying, you know, I think there's something here.

1:00:38 Speaker 2: Ray Hyman is a skeptic. You know, I was like

1:00:41 Speaker 2: friends with like James Randy back in the day, was

1:00:43 Speaker 2: at University of Oregon. Also went through everything and did

1:00:46 Speaker 2: we ever do.

1:00:46 Speaker 1: It when we were at the we did that.

1:00:49 Speaker 14: Yeah.

1:00:49 Speaker 1: Okay, so you know, again can't be explained.

1:00:52 Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's real. I have a possible crazy explanation

1:00:56 Speaker 2: for it. Okay, maybe maybe this is wrong, but whatever

1:00:59 Speaker 2: has to be going on has to not attenuate over

1:01:02 Speaker 2: space time. And you know, certain materials like put Off

1:01:06 Speaker 2: as famous stories of putting people at the bottom of

1:01:08 Speaker 2: the ocean a submarine and they can sort of remote

1:01:10 Speaker 2: view stuff from far away. And so what if there

1:01:14 Speaker 2: is you know, this extended version of electrodynamics, like you know,

1:01:18 Speaker 2: there's this sort of other field where you get certain

1:01:22 Speaker 2: wave types that aren't kind of your traditional transverse Herritian wave.

1:01:25 Speaker 2: Quite possibly, Yeah, I don't know, but that might be

1:01:29 Speaker 2: one possible in road into this.

1:01:31 Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean a lot of people believe it's it's

1:01:33 Speaker 1: you know, based in quantum quantum entanglement. Yes, and the

1:01:37 Speaker 1: human consciousness may be an actual quantum process. I'm not

1:01:39 Speaker 1: a neuroscience, yeah, scientist, but some have speculated that that

1:01:43 Speaker 1: may be where human consciousness lies. It's an actual quantum process,

1:01:47 Speaker 1: which would explain kind of the understanding of how we

1:01:49 Speaker 1: interpret time and what it means in the present versus

1:01:53 Speaker 1: the past, versus the future, and how we can potentially

1:01:56 Speaker 1: perceive elements of the future in the past as if

1:01:59 Speaker 1: it's occurring now.

1:02:00 Speaker 2: Yes. In fact, like you know, Roger Penrose thought that

1:02:03 Speaker 2: the brain was maybe a quantum system room temperature quantum system, right,

1:02:09 Speaker 2: And so in quantum computing you can reverse cubit positions

1:02:14 Speaker 2: across quantum computations and so even people building quantum computers

1:02:19 Speaker 2: think that maybe you can send information back in time

1:02:21 Speaker 2: and a work in quantum.

1:02:22 Speaker 1: Well even you know, the holographic theory to them. You know,

1:02:25 Speaker 1: I'm not saying I believe it necessarily or I don't,

1:02:27 Speaker 1: but you know, there's interesting elements there where you have.

1:02:30 Speaker 1: You know, in holographic theory, you have three dimensional representation

1:02:36 Speaker 1: of an existence of reflection, that there's actually something else

1:02:40 Speaker 1: on the opposite end of the universe and all information

1:02:42 Speaker 1: there is there for all time, and that you know,

1:02:47 Speaker 1: we are living in what they consider what some scientists

1:02:50 Speaker 1: is called a holographic world. It's called holographic theory. Very interesting.

1:02:56 Speaker 1: But you know, as we study black holes and the

1:02:58 Speaker 1: event horizon more and we begin to learn about hawking

1:03:01 Speaker 1: radiation and information being lost versus stored. Yeah, there's some

1:03:06 Speaker 1: interesting theories out there.

1:03:14 Speaker 2: So you talk about the Colins Elite, this evangelical Christian

1:03:16 Speaker 2: group actually being one of the primary kind of blockers

1:03:19 Speaker 2: around UVP research. And then you even cite a story

1:03:22 Speaker 2: and eminent where this guy says, you know, Lucifer is

1:03:27 Speaker 2: you know, his realm is the skies, and you know

1:03:30 Speaker 2: this stuff is demonic and we should not study it

1:03:32 Speaker 2: at all. I believe there was a program at right

1:03:35 Speaker 2: Airfield called Stack five STAC five and they were doing

1:03:40 Speaker 2: these kind of bizarre magical protocol ceremonial magic and a

1:03:45 Speaker 2: lot of these people were CIA people from the Colins Elite,

1:03:49 Speaker 2: and they came out of that being like, this stuff

1:03:51 Speaker 2: is demonic and we shouldn't touch it. And maybe the

1:03:55 Speaker 2: thing that you've experienced more of is the Skinwalker Ranch

1:03:58 Speaker 2: stuff where people come out out of you know, experience

1:04:01 Speaker 2: being at Skinwalker Ranch studying stuff there, and they say,

1:04:04 Speaker 2: stuff follows me around to my home and I have

1:04:06 Speaker 2: to rid myself of it. I told you I went

1:04:09 Speaker 2: to Skinwalker Ranch right after I saw you a couple

1:04:10 Speaker 2: of years ago. I smelled sulfur and I was like,

1:04:13 Speaker 2: I got to get the hell out of here. And

1:04:15 Speaker 2: I had a kind of not the best couple of

1:04:18 Speaker 2: weeks after that. And so again, yeah, maybe it's the

1:04:22 Speaker 2: same thing that we've looked at in the past when

1:04:24 Speaker 2: it comes to angels and demons, and then the question

1:04:26 Speaker 2: is what is that. I don't know, you know, those

1:04:28 Speaker 2: are just different clature.

1:04:30 Speaker 1: But well, look, if you're going to go to the

1:04:31 Speaker 1: scene of a fire, don't be surprised when you come

1:04:34 Speaker 1: home and your your your shirt smells like smoke. Right,

1:04:38 Speaker 1: same thing, but it may not be necessarily tangible, but

1:04:42 Speaker 1: you know, perhaps there's there's leftover residue. Call it that,

1:04:49 Speaker 1: you know. I think the problem is that we have

1:04:51 Speaker 1: done such a good job in taking the things that

1:04:55 Speaker 1: we don't understand, and because you don't understand them, putting

1:04:59 Speaker 1: them to them in a corner and saying it's weird,

1:05:02 Speaker 1: it's bad, it's it's paranormal. But when you really look

1:05:06 Speaker 1: at what the word is, we have stigmatized that word.

1:05:11 Speaker 1: The reality is if the word para is Latin, it

1:05:16 Speaker 1: means above or beside. That's it. And so when I

1:05:18 Speaker 1: say parachute, what do you think of? You think of

1:05:20 Speaker 1: a device that deploys over your head and you float

1:05:23 Speaker 1: down and hopefully hit the ground more with a thump

1:05:24 Speaker 1: instead of a thud. Right. If I say paramedic, you

1:05:28 Speaker 1: think of a first responder or somebody who's good, who's

1:05:31 Speaker 1: in an ambulance there to save your life. But when

1:05:33 Speaker 1: I say paranormal, people tend to spook that. Yeah, they

1:05:39 Speaker 1: kind of look at you, see what you mean? They

1:05:40 Speaker 1: kind of And my point is that the word paranormal

1:05:43 Speaker 1: is no different than any other word with prefix. We

1:05:47 Speaker 1: have made it weird. But the truth is everything in science,

1:05:51 Speaker 1: by definition, everything is paranormal until it becomes normal, right,

1:05:55 Speaker 1: whether it's a cell phone or a Wi Fi or

1:05:57 Speaker 1: electromagnetic spectrum and things like that. And so we have

1:06:01 Speaker 1: to we have to really do a better job of

1:06:04 Speaker 1: policing ourselves and avoiding this unnecessary stigma. This is why

1:06:10 Speaker 1: I said before, you know, tomorrow's technologies seems like magic today.

1:06:14 Speaker 1: You know, imagine being Da Vinci walking in the desert

1:06:16 Speaker 1: and coming across a garage door opener. We hadn't invented

1:06:21 Speaker 1: plastic back then. We don't even understand what the electromagnetic

1:06:24 Speaker 1: spectrum is, right, or what a battery is. That's pretty magical. Look,

1:06:29 Speaker 1: I'll tell you right now, true story. A lot of

1:06:32 Speaker 1: us that are involved in this, you know, scientists right

1:06:36 Speaker 1: have been now accused on social media as being conspiracy theorists.

1:06:41 Speaker 1: They label user it like a weapon. They say you're

1:06:43 Speaker 1: a conspiracy theorist. No, actually, I'm a scientist.

1:06:45 Speaker 22: Now.

1:06:45 Speaker 1: The people that are labeling you the conspiracy theorists that

1:06:47 Speaker 1: they follow the scientific methods aren't even scientists, right, I

1:06:50 Speaker 1: actually went to school to be sent I became a

1:06:53 Speaker 1: special agent and following the you know, following the leads

1:06:56 Speaker 1: where they go. But some people have a really hard

1:07:00 Speaker 1: time pushing their boundaries of understanding. They allow other people

1:07:05 Speaker 1: to formulate their opinions for them, and then they get

1:07:08 Speaker 1: stuck in. And this is why I always say the

1:07:10 Speaker 1: true believer and the true skeptic are exactly the same person,

1:07:14 Speaker 1: just opposite ends of the spectrum, because no matter what,

1:07:17 Speaker 1: no matter to face of what evidence, the true believer

1:07:19 Speaker 1: and the true skeptic are never going to change. Right, Right,

1:07:22 Speaker 1: there's the same person. And the skeptic says, oh, you

1:07:25 Speaker 1: go crazy believers, and the believers say, oh, you're crazy skeptics.

1:07:28 Speaker 1: It's the same person, yeah, depending on who you ask, right,

1:07:32 Speaker 1: because the true skeptic is actually a true believer, just

1:07:35 Speaker 1: in their own narrative.

1:07:36 Speaker 2: And when people say this stuff is not repeatable, that's

1:07:39 Speaker 2: just false to me. There are two patterns that I

1:07:41 Speaker 2: think are interesting and I'd love to get your take

1:07:43 Speaker 2: on this. One is the nuclear connection. According to Robert Hastings,

1:07:47 Speaker 2: a mutual friend of ours who wrote a great book

1:07:50 Speaker 2: called the UFOs and Nukes.

1:07:51 Speaker 1: One hundred percent, he's right, he has legit, he has

1:07:54 Speaker 1: his observations, and his conclusions are spot on. I couldn't

1:07:57 Speaker 1: talk about it at the time when I was in

1:07:59 Speaker 1: the government, but everything he was reporting we saw, Yeah,

1:08:02 Speaker 1: it was absolutely correct.

1:08:03 Speaker 2: And you have these guys, these radar operators, you know,

1:08:06 Speaker 2: ICBM missile security personnel who they couldn't be the you know,

1:08:11 Speaker 2: the last thing from the people who want fifteen seconds

1:08:13 Speaker 2: of fame. They don't get into that line of work

1:08:15 Speaker 2: because they have some history, no attention seeking desire.

1:08:18 Speaker 1: No, you don't. Look, you don't. You don't get involved

1:08:20 Speaker 1: in the UFO topic to seek fame. You want ridicule

1:08:24 Speaker 1: and you know, right, isolation and choose UPHO topic. Look,

1:08:29 Speaker 1: here's the bottom line, guys. It's it's very simple. It's

1:08:31 Speaker 1: really a binary choice. Either A the reality is that

1:08:36 Speaker 1: u APR here and they're doing what they're doing, or

1:08:39 Speaker 1: B this is some form of mass hysteria. And if

1:08:42 Speaker 1: it is mass hysteria, that means you have trained pilots

1:08:46 Speaker 1: with top secret clearances flying live munitions over populated cities.

1:08:50 Speaker 1: You have weapons officers, and you have Air Force nuclear

1:08:55 Speaker 1: technicians literally with their fingers on the nuclear button. Yeah right,

1:09:00 Speaker 1: you have admirals and generals. You have directors of CIA

1:09:05 Speaker 1: and directors of national intelligence that are all batshit crazy, right,

1:09:11 Speaker 1: So choose your poison? Yeah, yea, Yeah, it's and which

1:09:15 Speaker 1: which is a bigger problem? Well, first of all, it's

1:09:17 Speaker 1: even more scary if it is a mass delirium. Yeah,

1:09:20 Speaker 1: then we've got bigger problems in our hands.

1:09:22 Speaker 2: That's what I tell people. I say, if you're a

1:09:23 Speaker 2: null hypothesis, is that there's some cabal that is controlling

1:09:27 Speaker 2: all of this. That's crazier than just admitting that there's

1:09:30 Speaker 2: some sort of intelligence beyond humanity. David Grush July twenty sixth,

1:09:34 Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, testified before Congress American Hero, American hero,

1:09:39 Speaker 2: amazing guy. And he said in a friend of ours,

1:09:44 Speaker 2: and he said some pretty crazy things. And one thing

1:09:47 Speaker 2: that I think is not often spoken enough about.

1:09:51 Speaker 1: Well, let me just interrupt what people saying. We are

1:09:53 Speaker 1: crazy things, but he's not crazy. I'm telling you right now.

1:09:56 Speaker 1: I worked with the guy. I can't say where. I've

1:09:58 Speaker 1: been asked not to say where. We both worked in

1:10:00 Speaker 1: a skift together. He had every access that you needed

1:10:03 Speaker 1: to have, and he saw the same information I did.

1:10:05 Speaker 1: So I am telling you straight up. That guy. He

1:10:08 Speaker 1: knows a lot more even than he was allowed to say.

1:10:11 Speaker 1: You know, anybody out there who wants to go ahead

1:10:13 Speaker 1: and pooh pooh Dave and said, well, you know there's

1:10:14 Speaker 1: anecdotal No it's not. He was, Oh, well, he talked

1:10:17 Speaker 1: to forty some witnesses. It's all secondhand. No, it's not.

1:10:20 Speaker 1: That's what That's the only thing he can tell you.

1:10:22 Speaker 1: But I'm telling you there's a hell of a lot

1:10:23 Speaker 1: more that if he was allowed to say, people wouldn't

1:10:26 Speaker 1: say that.

1:10:27 Speaker 2: Yeah about him, I've gotten to know him pretty well.

1:10:28 Speaker 2: He's just incredibly smart and hard.

1:10:31 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a tragedy of what they did to him.

1:10:33 Speaker 1: You know, I'm not surprised they tried to do the

1:10:35 Speaker 1: same crap to me. You know, they try to dig

1:10:37 Speaker 1: up anything and everything. Fortunate, I've had a very very

1:10:39 Speaker 1: clean background, but you know, had to stop them from trying.

1:10:43 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, And Grush said very interesting stuff around

1:10:48 Speaker 2: the atomic classification system, basically overlaying UFO secrecy.

1:10:54 Speaker 21: The guys that were involved in Manhattan were overlaying the

1:10:57 Speaker 21: same ecosystem of secrecy and some of the same ways

1:11:01 Speaker 21: to protect stuff that they're protecting.

1:11:04 Speaker 1: Our nuclear secrets.

1:11:05 Speaker 11: The Manhattan Project when I have custody of it, and

1:11:08 Speaker 11: then it would go into the Atomic Energy Commission, and

1:11:11 Speaker 11: then it would go into the Department of Energy, which

1:11:14 Speaker 11: has its own line of clearances.

1:11:17 Speaker 2: And so it's not only that UFOs are showing up

1:11:19 Speaker 2: at nuclear sites all across the US, but actually you

1:11:22 Speaker 2: have an entirely different clearance system the NPKY.

1:11:25 Speaker 1: There is brother, there's reports right now online. Anybody can

1:11:28 Speaker 1: see him. The government reliefed a bunch of UFO related

1:11:31 Speaker 1: documents not too long ago, a few years ago, thinking

1:11:33 Speaker 1: nobody would pay attention to, I think like ten thousand reports.

1:11:37 Speaker 1: And when you look in there, U see actual verbatim

1:11:40 Speaker 1: UFO incidents back in the fifties and sixties, over the

1:11:44 Speaker 1: Savannah River Facility, over what Oakridge National Laboratory, over what

1:11:49 Speaker 1: Los Alamos. And by the way, it's still happening today, right,

1:11:52 Speaker 1: So this isn't like, oh, this is kind of a

1:11:55 Speaker 1: new revelation. Uh uh.

1:11:57 Speaker 2: James McDonald's famous physicist too, was of very marginalized over

1:12:02 Speaker 2: this topic. He was that I think Arizona State. I

1:12:04 Speaker 2: believe he saw his sighting I think was at Savannah Riversite,

1:12:08 Speaker 2: and it was around that.

1:12:09 Speaker 1: I mean, look at look at that poor Harvard professor, right,

1:12:12 Speaker 1: and they tried to try to get rid of him,

1:12:14 Speaker 1: and he want a loll coat case. John mack that's right,

1:12:17 Speaker 1: John mac Well had to go to court. Yeah, because

1:12:21 Speaker 1: the system didn't want him.

1:12:22 Speaker 22: Talking from my point of view, when I got involved,

1:12:28 Speaker 22: the CIA came to my office and then they showed

1:12:30 Speaker 22: me MRIs of some of these people. And most of

1:12:32 Speaker 22: those people had interactions with UFOs. And these were Department

1:12:36 Speaker 22: of Defense and Intelligence people, so supposedly and reasonably credible individuals.

1:12:41 Speaker 22: So in looking at the MRIs of some of these people,

1:12:45 Speaker 22: we noticed a area of the brain that seemed to

1:12:49 Speaker 22: be disturbed, let's say, are different in many of these individuals.

1:12:54 Speaker 1: This is a part of brain known as the quantity

1:12:57 Speaker 1: put him in, and it is a very specific part

1:12:59 Speaker 1: of the It's responsible for all sorts of stuff and

1:13:02 Speaker 1: and some of even speculated precognition.

1:13:05 Speaker 3: Me certainly intuition.

1:13:07 Speaker 1: Intuition, for sure.

1:13:09 Speaker 2: You did a great piece with with rass Card.

1:13:12 Speaker 1: Oh, thank you. He's a good man.

1:13:13 Speaker 2: He's awesome. He's a very good man, and he really

1:13:16 Speaker 2: knows his stuff.

1:13:17 Speaker 1: Yes, he does. Very impressive. He says that's for day.

1:13:20 Speaker 3: Stanford immunologist doctor Gary Nolan has been researching this topic,

1:13:25 Speaker 3: and while his conclusions are not definitive, there are two

1:13:28 Speaker 3: working theories, one that people with naturally large cordate poutamen

1:13:34 Speaker 3: might attract UAPs like an antenna, another that UAP encounters

1:13:41 Speaker 3: with normal people cause that same part of the brain

1:13:45 Speaker 3: to get bigger.

1:13:46 Speaker 2: Okay, so this is a slide from that News Nation

1:13:50 Speaker 2: piece and it's you're showing this kind of weight matter syndrome.

1:13:55 Speaker 1: They put him quote, they put him in.

1:13:57 Speaker 23: Yeah, so the cardate and yeah, MRIs and Nolan talks

1:14:02 Speaker 23: about this. But if you look at this, look the

1:14:04 Speaker 23: white lettering under interference syndrome injury, CEO executive, and then

1:14:09 Speaker 23: you have what is that like doe gravity propulsion?

1:14:16 Speaker 2: What's going on there? I wasn't really sure how to

1:14:19 Speaker 2: approach this and don't want to dwell on it. I'm

1:14:21 Speaker 2: merely the messenger, not the original publisher of this. It

1:14:24 Speaker 2: was either a fuck up on News Nations sources part

1:14:27 Speaker 2: or an intentional breadcrumb, but it answers my old colleague

1:14:31 Speaker 2: Eric Weinstein's questions around UFOs Number one, where are the scientists, Well,

1:14:36 Speaker 2: they might be employed by the DOE. And number two,

1:14:39 Speaker 2: is string theory or quantum gravity really the only acceptable

1:14:42 Speaker 2: approach to gravity these days? Well, my guess is, whoever

1:14:45 Speaker 2: this propulsion expert is, is not using string theory. Finally,

1:14:49 Speaker 2: this corroborates Mark Injuries and Ben Horowitz saying that a

1:14:53 Speaker 2: National Security Council staffer told them that elements of physics

1:14:56 Speaker 2: were classified in the past.

1:14:58 Speaker 10: We classified a whole entire area is of physics in

1:15:01 Speaker 10: the nuclear era and made them state secrets. Of the

1:15:05 Speaker 10: theoretical science physics, we thought, we classified them and made

1:15:10 Speaker 10: them state secrets, and that research vanished.

1:15:13 Speaker 2: Again. I wrestled whether amplifying this slide was the right

1:15:17 Speaker 2: thing to do or not. But to me, it is

1:15:19 Speaker 2: obviously not adaptive from an American national security standpoint for

1:15:23 Speaker 2: the broader American populace to have no idea that there

1:15:27 Speaker 2: is a more true science being practiced within the confines

1:15:30 Speaker 2: of three letter government agencies, especially with where the world

1:15:34 Speaker 2: is headed now. And then there's that part, Yeah, that

1:15:37 Speaker 2: seems important too, but I'll let you speculate there. Either way,

1:15:41 Speaker 2: a more full understanding of the story here and how

1:15:44 Speaker 2: it relates to UFOs seems warranted.

1:15:49 Speaker 1: I am only allowed by the Pentagon to talk about

1:15:51 Speaker 1: what's in my book. I have not been given clearant

1:15:54 Speaker 1: to talk about anything beyond that. And because that involves

1:15:58 Speaker 1: a patient, that also crosses the patient confidentiality, which I

1:16:01 Speaker 1: would also not be able to elaborate on.

1:16:04 Speaker 2: Yep, because I was I was, I was thinking.

1:16:07 Speaker 1: Keep asking questions.

1:16:08 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I know, don't don't don't ask anything. You

1:16:11 Speaker 2: don't have to say anything. But I was thinking when

1:16:13 Speaker 2: I saw that slide, it's almost like the three body

1:16:16 Speaker 2: problem or something where it's like we were just talking

1:16:20 Speaker 2: about possible like like the nh I have counter intel

1:16:23 Speaker 2: or something. Are scientists working on the most interesting stuff?

1:16:28 Speaker 2: Maybe they get retaliation or backlash? Because I was like,

1:16:30 Speaker 2: what's the connection with UAP. I mean, he's just working

1:16:33 Speaker 2: on very advanced science. Did he also encounter U A

1:16:37 Speaker 2: P And then is that correlated with the science.

1:16:39 Speaker 1: Well, we know that, you know, it's the old PRC

1:16:42 Speaker 1: vis CEO of of Lockeed had his own UFO experience,

1:16:47 Speaker 1: didn't he.

1:16:48 Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh that's fascinating. So you're talking about Kelly Johnson,

1:16:53 Speaker 2: that's right.

1:16:54 Speaker 1: Yeah.

1:16:55 Speaker 24: At approximately five pm, mister Johnson was looking out of

1:16:59 Speaker 24: a large window facing the west and just watching the sunset.

1:17:05 Speaker 2: He watched this black thing. He was convinced at this

1:17:08 Speaker 2: point that it was a UFO.

1:17:10 Speaker 24: He said it was moving so fast he was unable

1:17:13 Speaker 24: to make out any additional features. Kelly Johnson wasn't just

1:17:18 Speaker 24: your average guy looking at the cloud, going oh, that's

1:17:21 Speaker 24: a UFO. Now this guy knows what he's talking about.

1:17:24 Speaker 1: You know. I go to Congress and members of Congress

1:17:27 Speaker 1: will pull me aside and said, look, I had my

1:17:28 Speaker 1: own UFOs siding with my son. Yeah, literally fishing in

1:17:31 Speaker 1: a lake and the thing came out of the water.

1:17:37 Speaker 2: In your book, Imminet, which is fantastic and everybody should

1:17:39 Speaker 2: go by and read, you talk about green orbs and

1:17:43 Speaker 2: that you see them both with your family and that

1:17:45 Speaker 2: they're kind of around your place in Wyoming. We visited

1:17:49 Speaker 2: you a couple of years ago. I don't know if

1:17:50 Speaker 2: you remember this.

1:17:51 Speaker 1: Do you remember what.

1:17:52 Speaker 4: We're about to say?

1:17:53 Speaker 2: Yeah? Do you know what we're about to say?

1:17:54 Speaker 1: I don't, but but you know it's I've had a

1:17:58 Speaker 1: pretty interesting life and a lot of things have happened.

1:18:00 Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm bracing myself. By the way, the whole

1:18:04 Speaker 1: thing with a poodle in the lamp shade. There were

1:18:05 Speaker 1: no pictures. It wasn't me.

1:18:07 Speaker 2: So if that's you forgetting no, no, no, this is

1:18:10 Speaker 2: this is probably a Tuesday for lou. But we saw

1:18:12 Speaker 2: green orb with you. I don't know if you remember

1:18:14 Speaker 2: that was it was nighttime, it was, and it was

1:18:17 Speaker 2: kind of a peak.

1:18:17 Speaker 4: I remember as it being a peak moment and in

1:18:21 Speaker 4: like a very genuine conversation about the phenomenon because.

1:18:24 Speaker 2: It was describing how the sun is a nuclear fusion

1:18:27 Speaker 2: reactor and you were going it deep into the science.

1:18:31 Speaker 2: It was fascinating. And then all of a sudden boom

1:18:33 Speaker 2: right over there by the shed.

1:18:36 Speaker 4: And it was like we had I had never I

1:18:38 Speaker 4: think Jesse had seen stuff before, but I had never

1:18:40 Speaker 4: seen anything. And I always because it was only happened

1:18:43 Speaker 4: in my preferred vision. I I always call it half

1:18:46 Speaker 4: a siding. But when I read when I when I

1:18:49 Speaker 4: read about your experiences in the book, it really it

1:18:51 Speaker 4: came back very strongly because I was like, holy shit,

1:18:54 Speaker 4: I've experienced what what he's talking about with him at

1:18:58 Speaker 4: his house.

1:18:59 Speaker 1: A lot of a lot of folks have. Look at

1:19:02 Speaker 1: the end of the day, I can only give you

1:19:05 Speaker 1: my observations again, my opinion doesn't matter because people say,

1:19:09 Speaker 1: could it be ball lightning? Sure, saying that most fire. Sure.

1:19:12 Speaker 1: Could it be weird electrical circuitry in the house that's

1:19:16 Speaker 1: causing atmospheric ionization in a localized area and ionizing the

1:19:20 Speaker 1: atmosphere gap. It could be. What I do know are

1:19:23 Speaker 1: the facts that it was witnessed not only by me

1:19:25 Speaker 1: and my wife and my kids, but also our neighbors.

1:19:28 Speaker 1: But it occurred when I got into a tip, And

1:19:31 Speaker 1: it also is happening to other individuals that were part

1:19:33 Speaker 1: of that program that is describinatively same description and some

1:19:36 Speaker 1: different colors. Their stories will probably be coming out here

1:19:39 Speaker 1: in the near term. Wow.

1:19:40 Speaker 4: What was the closest you have experienced an ORB right here?

1:19:44 Speaker 2: Oh?

1:19:44 Speaker 21: Wow?

1:19:44 Speaker 1: Wow?

1:19:45 Speaker 2: Yeah, because with you like.

1:19:46 Speaker 4: The experience that we're talking about was probably maybe one

1:19:48 Speaker 4: hundred two hundred meters away. It was like even further

1:19:51 Speaker 4: than that.

1:19:52 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I know they got very very very very

1:19:54 Speaker 1: close that Some are far away in the sky as

1:19:57 Speaker 1: you described, some are right there close and p wow.

1:20:02 Speaker 1: I never felt anything, never felt any static charge. I

1:20:05 Speaker 1: was never afraid, more just kind of curious, kind of

1:20:07 Speaker 1: like wow, that's interesting you wow. But then again, the

1:20:10 Speaker 1: whole portfolio is so weird. It's like there wouldn't be

1:20:13 Speaker 1: a freak cat like you.

1:20:14 Speaker 4: I don't think maybe, and this is and again, obviously

1:20:17 Speaker 4: you've had the experience in some crazy situations, worked some

1:20:20 Speaker 4: crazy places. But I can't imagine a human experiencing something

1:20:25 Speaker 4: that can only be described as out of this world

1:20:28 Speaker 4: this close and for it to be like, I guess

1:20:30 Speaker 4: I'm just observing.

1:20:31 Speaker 1: Like when we're off camera, I'm going to show you

1:20:32 Speaker 1: guys something, Okay, and well we'll I'll show you something

1:20:36 Speaker 1: that and we'll see how you react. Okay, Wow, I

1:20:40 Speaker 1: can't wait.

1:20:41 Speaker 2: Okaylea, So Dave said that. Dave Rush said that Oppenheimer

1:20:48 Speaker 2: was part of setting up the original UFO secrecy protocols

1:20:51 Speaker 2: with the Atomic Energy Commission. Can you confirm or deny.

1:20:55 Speaker 1: That I'm I It wouldn't surprise me. I that was

1:20:58 Speaker 1: before my time. I don't know. I didn't know Oppenheimer.

1:21:01 Speaker 1: I met Teller once he met Teller. Yeah, when I

1:21:04 Speaker 1: was a kid, I was about seven years old on

1:21:06 Speaker 1: a Air Florida flight. My father had some friends in

1:21:11 Speaker 1: the government, and he put me on a plane with

1:21:13 Speaker 1: him and we went from Sarasota to Miami. On a

1:21:16 Speaker 1: Air Florida flight and there was he was eating very

1:21:19 Speaker 1: old at the time. Members sitting ext to him and

1:21:20 Speaker 1: he's eating chicken soup. No way. Yeah, And I had

1:21:23 Speaker 1: no idea at the time his significance. Only later my

1:21:26 Speaker 1: father was like, you know.

1:21:27 Speaker 2: He had to have to me been involved in this stuff,

1:21:30 Speaker 2: if this stuff exist. He's the smartest guy, you know.

1:21:35 Speaker 2: There's this nineteen seventy one Australian document actually that grush

1:21:38 Speaker 2: sites a lot.

1:21:39 Speaker 4: That is this guy.

1:21:40 Speaker 2: I think it's the head of their nuclear division, this guy,

1:21:42 Speaker 2: Harry Turner. He's writing for the Joint Intelligence Organization, which

1:21:44 Speaker 2: is their CIA, and I think they because there's some

1:21:48 Speaker 2: atomic testing going on in Australia, they start to see

1:21:52 Speaker 2: stuff and they're like, oh, maybe these UFOs are more

1:21:55 Speaker 2: real than meets the eye, and the US kind of

1:21:58 Speaker 2: official version of this stuff around blue Book was actually

1:22:02 Speaker 2: not super real. And they start to investigate and it's

1:22:06 Speaker 2: this whole thing about the CIA's Office of Scientific Intelligence.

1:22:08 Speaker 2: They lists the scientists involved in anti gravity research, and

1:22:11 Speaker 2: Teller and Oppenheimer.

1:22:13 Speaker 1: Are both named, so would not be at all surprise.

1:22:17 Speaker 2: Pretty pretty crazy stuff. Small community, A small community, Yeah.

1:22:30 Speaker 1: You kind of had to see the movie before I

1:22:31 Speaker 1: brought you here.

1:22:33 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I've only seen Contact recently too.

1:22:37 Speaker 1: I never seen it.

1:22:38 Speaker 2: Oh really, you could watch it. I think Carl Sagan

1:22:41 Speaker 2: was he was kind of nominally skeptical of a lot

1:22:43 Speaker 2: of the UFO stuff, but I think he maybe secretly

1:22:46 Speaker 2: was more of a believer.

1:22:49 Speaker 1: Well, you know, he was one who helped put that

1:22:51 Speaker 1: Golden Disc together. That's now and our extra Solar system

1:22:56 Speaker 1: right outside of our own solar system, really interstellar space. Yeah,

1:23:02 Speaker 1: you know, why would he take the time to create

1:23:03 Speaker 1: something like that if he didn't expect someone to look

1:23:05 Speaker 1: at it one day?

1:23:06 Speaker 20: Right?

1:23:09 Speaker 2: Carl Sagan didn't only hold some covert, possibly UFO related

1:23:13 Speaker 2: meetings the public didn't know about. He also met a

1:23:15 Speaker 2: lot with Kick Green towards the end of his career.

1:23:17 Speaker 2: It was TAA guy Bury into UFOs.

1:23:20 Speaker 1: Yeah, you were telling me that I had that.

1:23:22 Speaker 2: His early journals are filled with passages about UFOs and

1:23:26 Speaker 2: extraterrestrial life. But you might not know. He was a

1:23:29 Speaker 2: secret consultant on a project called A one one nine,

1:23:32 Speaker 2: a top secret Air Force project based out of Kurkland

1:23:35 Speaker 2: Air Force Space. The project's sole purpose was to contemplate

1:23:39 Speaker 2: detonating a nuclear blast on the moon as a show

1:23:42 Speaker 2: of force against the Soviets. America can, should, must, and

1:23:47 Speaker 2: will blow up the moon, and we'll be doing it

1:23:50 Speaker 2: during a full moon, so we make sure we get

1:23:52 Speaker 2: it all. Many people don't know this about Carl Sagan.

1:23:56 Speaker 2: I think it takes just reading his book, watching his videos,

1:23:59 Speaker 2: and watching his incredible movie Contact to know that Carl

1:24:02 Speaker 2: Sagan knew a little bit more than he let on.

1:24:04 Speaker 2: When it comes to UFOs, where do you think of

1:24:12 Speaker 2: past civilization? If they're trying to make themselves known, what

1:24:15 Speaker 2: do you think they would do? Leave something in a

1:24:16 Speaker 2: Lagrangian point?

1:24:19 Speaker 1: Well, that's a great question, isn't it. Let's look at

1:24:22 Speaker 1: this for example, Okay, fifty five million years old. Look

1:24:27 Speaker 1: at the condition it's in, right, it's already Eventually Mother

1:24:32 Speaker 1: nature washes away all traces, right, the Pyramids of Egypt

1:24:37 Speaker 1: five thousand years old, probably older, But I don't Yeah,

1:24:40 Speaker 1: let's say ten. Yeah, sure, let's say ten.

1:24:42 Speaker 14: Right, Yeah, you think so? I think? Yeah?

1:24:44 Speaker 2: But what about carbon dating? Have they carbon dated anything?

1:24:47 Speaker 1: Well? You can't carbon date stone unfortunately, but it's it's

1:24:52 Speaker 1: a little more of only organic things.

1:24:53 Speaker 2: But yeah, but there's water damage on the line.

1:24:56 Speaker 1: Correct, correct, And.

1:24:58 Speaker 2: There are two guys, John Anthony Robert Shock that think

1:25:01 Speaker 2: that these things were built.

1:25:03 Speaker 1: And then you were saying, well, my point being is

1:25:05 Speaker 1: that ultimately, no matter what you put on the face

1:25:07 Speaker 1: of the Earth, well, eventually you'll have subduction zones and

1:25:10 Speaker 1: will eventually go back into the mantle of the Earth

1:25:13 Speaker 1: and be recycled. So Earth is not anywhere to leave

1:25:16 Speaker 1: anything permanent. So then let's say, well, what about the Moon.

1:25:18 Speaker 1: How about there's no atmosphere, no erosion. How about I

1:25:20 Speaker 1: built some sort of thing on the moon.

1:25:23 Speaker 2: You think there's a monoli, right, Well, let's you.

1:25:26 Speaker 1: Know, hypothetically, let's put an artifact there, right, that'll be

1:25:29 Speaker 1: there forever. But even the moon isn't forever. It's going

1:25:31 Speaker 1: to come a point where the Sun will become a

1:25:35 Speaker 1: great giant, right, red giant, and will engulf and consume

1:25:38 Speaker 1: the moon. Okay, So even moons are susceptible. Same with

1:25:42 Speaker 1: asteroid impacts, et cetera. So if you're going to make

1:25:45 Speaker 1: something truly enduring, truly enduring, there's really only two ways

1:25:48 Speaker 1: to do it. You either put something out in deep

1:25:51 Speaker 1: space where the chances are of it coming into contact

1:25:54 Speaker 1: with something or minimal or biology, genetics, because genetics is

1:25:59 Speaker 1: a fingerprint and that will continue as long as the

1:26:02 Speaker 1: species survives. It finds other places to live, so will

1:26:07 Speaker 1: that message and you can put a lot And the

1:26:09 Speaker 1: beauty about DNA is that it self replicates, So that message,

1:26:13 Speaker 1: in essence, if you code it right, could be there

1:26:18 Speaker 1: as long as the species as survives.

1:26:19 Speaker 2: So is that I don't know, do you have any

1:26:21 Speaker 2: leading candidates for genetic you know, passive past civilizations leaving

1:26:27 Speaker 2: their genetics.

1:26:28 Speaker 1: So again I'm biased because my background microbiology, immunology, parasitology.

1:26:33 Speaker 1: So you know, if you were to ask me, I

1:26:36 Speaker 1: would say genetics is a key. You know, DNA deoxyribonucleic acid,

1:26:43 Speaker 1: but it's not the only key. Right. There was a

1:26:45 Speaker 1: time where we as a species thought all life form

1:26:49 Speaker 1: had DNA. We now realize that's not the case. There's

1:26:53 Speaker 1: there's living things that don't look like a living thing,

1:26:55 Speaker 1: like a like a virus that is about as alien

1:26:58 Speaker 1: as anything that we know. There is no DNA, only RNA,

1:27:02 Speaker 1: and yet it does the same thing if you do

1:27:03 Speaker 1: it replicates, It does a lot of the same things.

1:27:06 Speaker 1: It defends itself and so it's you know, a virus

1:27:10 Speaker 1: a life form. Well, I think some scientist would say, yeah,

1:27:14 Speaker 1: he's just like.

1:27:14 Speaker 2: A life form, but also gets into the brainstem and

1:27:17 Speaker 2: can cause people to act and to promote the replication

1:27:21 Speaker 2: of the virus.

1:27:22 Speaker 20: Absolutely, absolutely, yeah, like toxoplasm. Yeah, absolutely, yeah, absolutely, So

1:27:29 Speaker 20: you know it's uh wow, what do you think?

1:27:32 Speaker 1: Guys?

1:27:34 Speaker 4: It's amazing.

1:27:36 Speaker 1: Look here and listen to that.

1:27:41 Speaker 4: In a weird way, it's like a similar thing. You've

1:27:44 Speaker 4: been to Egypt. Yeah, have you stood the front parent,

1:27:47 Speaker 4: there's always a sense that I feel like just standing up,

1:27:49 Speaker 4: I feel the same way about It's like not in reality.

1:28:11 Speaker 1: This is the sp one, very very rare for the

1:28:14 Speaker 1: R fifteen. It's kind of the Unicorn of AR fifteen's.

1:28:18 Speaker 1: It shoots two.

1:28:19 Speaker 2: Two three caliber.

1:28:20 Speaker 1: I've got plenty of two two three m I'm using

1:28:22 Speaker 1: iron sights, and I'm doing it for a reason. Okay,

1:28:25 Speaker 1: iron sights are the hardest to shoot. From that this

1:28:28 Speaker 1: is old school. If you can shoot with an iron

1:28:30 Speaker 1: sight and put bolts on the target, you can shoot

1:28:33 Speaker 1: any Okay, so you've gotten spoiled now with this laser something,

1:28:37 Speaker 1: We're gonna.

1:28:37 Speaker 12: Go back to old school on an arf sorry.

1:28:42 Speaker 1: So believe it or not. With an iron sight, you

1:28:44 Speaker 1: see where those trees are in the back there three

1:28:47 Speaker 1: hundred meters nine hundred feet for militarium. If she wouldn't

1:28:50 Speaker 1: shoot sniper, I had to shoot that every time.

1:28:53 Speaker 2: Where the rocket is way up there.

1:28:55 Speaker 1: That's oh yeah, I was shut Yeah, absolutely, bro. Common

1:29:00 Speaker 1: theme here is we keep talking about the term national security.

1:29:03 Speaker 1: And I know you're here to interview me, but let

1:29:06 Speaker 1: me let me interview you just for a moment, if

1:29:08 Speaker 1: I may, if I if you'll indulge me, how do

1:29:11 Speaker 1: we This is a sandbox here, right. Let's say there's

1:29:14 Speaker 1: a technology. Now there's a toy that there's twelve kids

1:29:18 Speaker 1: in the sandbox, but there's only one toy, right. This

1:29:25 Speaker 1: toy has the ability to let everybody play together and

1:29:28 Speaker 1: be nice. The problem is human nature is such that

1:29:34 Speaker 1: most kids, most governments in this case using it as

1:29:38 Speaker 1: an analogy, are going to want that toy for themselves.

1:29:42 Speaker 1: How do we share the toy? How do we use this?

1:29:44 Speaker 1: Because we know there's countries out there that if they

1:29:46 Speaker 1: had a certain type of technology, they would probably employ

1:29:48 Speaker 1: it very quickly to their advantage. And I'm not saying

1:29:52 Speaker 1: we have never done it because we have we dropped

1:29:54 Speaker 1: the bomb. We did. We're the only country that ever

1:29:56 Speaker 1: dropped the new you know well Adam bomb, and that

1:29:58 Speaker 1: was us, you know. So we'd like to say we're

1:30:00 Speaker 1: afraid of it. Well it don't look now, but we did.

1:30:02 Speaker 1: We were the ones who did it. For good or bad,

1:30:05 Speaker 1: are and different, right, that's a fact, established fact. So

1:30:08 Speaker 1: countries will use technology if they feel that they have

1:30:11 Speaker 1: to in a time of conflict. With this type of technology,

1:30:16 Speaker 1: if we were to come together and say, look, we

1:30:18 Speaker 1: really can do better as humanity. We don't have to

1:30:20 Speaker 1: fight each other right now, this is on the backdrop

1:30:23 Speaker 1: right now of Hamas and Israel, Ukraine and Russia. Right,

1:30:27 Speaker 1: we have issues in Africa, We have issues right now

1:30:29 Speaker 1: with China and the South China Sea and Taiwan and

1:30:31 Speaker 1: the US and the world is on fire. Doesn't matter

1:30:34 Speaker 1: what side of the argument you're on, I think we

1:30:37 Speaker 1: can all agree that the world is a very dangerous

1:30:39 Speaker 1: and violent place right now. Right this technology has the

1:30:44 Speaker 1: chance to either bring us together or completely rip us

1:30:49 Speaker 1: apart once and for all, right, like there's no coming back.

1:30:54 Speaker 1: How do you solve that problem?

1:30:58 Speaker 2: It's a very hard problem.

1:31:00 Speaker 4: This solve But it's only the hardest problem, the effort

1:31:03 Speaker 4: you have to You have.

1:31:04 Speaker 2: To raise people's consciousness in step with a slow dissemination

1:31:10 Speaker 2: of the thin or something.

1:31:12 Speaker 1: But how do you stop that temptation, because all it

1:31:15 Speaker 1: takes is one selfish kid to ruin it for the rest,

1:31:17 Speaker 1: Remember one kid, Mike Toy.

1:31:20 Speaker 4: Probably just show them the good ways in which this

1:31:24 Speaker 4: technology could be used before you even just tell them that.

1:31:28 Speaker 1: Who does that? Who's going to take the moral high

1:31:30 Speaker 1: road and say I give to you this technology and

1:31:33 Speaker 1: you shall use it for peaceful means? Who has that?

1:31:40 Speaker 1: Who has that moral authority? Who's trusted enough in the

1:31:44 Speaker 1: world to do that and to say you will use

1:31:48 Speaker 1: it for this but not for that?

1:31:50 Speaker 11: Who?

1:31:50 Speaker 4: I think it's probably going to be just a collective

1:31:54 Speaker 4: move and something that is like an emergent property of

1:31:57 Speaker 4: a lot of good people with good minds and good

1:32:00 Speaker 4: hearts coming together.

1:32:01 Speaker 1: To who is the United Nations?

1:32:03 Speaker 4: I think it is?

1:32:04 Speaker 11: It?

1:32:04 Speaker 1: Is it society written large?

1:32:07 Speaker 2: Well this maybe the NHI, maybe the entities themselves. I mean,

1:32:12 Speaker 2: we were with James Fox the other week in Austin,

1:32:14 Speaker 2: great guy, and I was talking to him and he

1:32:17 Speaker 2: was like, I'm making all these documentaries and the thing

1:32:20 Speaker 2: that has come up after decades of doing research on

1:32:23 Speaker 2: the UFO subject. Whenever I'm about to find smoking gun

1:32:28 Speaker 2: proof of UFOs, I have you know a video here,

1:32:32 Speaker 2: a picture here, you know, an amazing eyewitness, the thing disappears.

1:32:36 Speaker 2: There's some like ephemeral bizarre thing about that. And then

1:32:39 Speaker 2: if we were talking about the nuclear connection as well,

1:32:43 Speaker 2: it's almost like there is a counter intel on the

1:32:47 Speaker 2: part of the NHI themselves where it's like mass surveillance

1:32:52 Speaker 2: and it is it is there right when it needs

1:32:54 Speaker 2: to be there, and things will disappear, and it's our

1:32:56 Speaker 2: most precious assets. It's our nuclear assets. They'll get by

1:33:00 Speaker 2: our most intense encryption from the NSA. And so my

1:33:05 Speaker 2: answer to that would be like, it's like the three

1:33:08 Speaker 2: body problem. They know we're going to blow ourselves up,

1:33:10 Speaker 2: so they clamp down on the science, and they're responsible

1:33:12 Speaker 2: for a lot of the productive science.

1:33:13 Speaker 1: Would humanity be okay with an overlord an NHI babysitter?

1:33:18 Speaker 1: Is that freedom? Are you really free?

1:33:20 Speaker 11: Then?

1:33:20 Speaker 1: If an Nhi were to come down and say, okay, folks,

1:33:23 Speaker 1: this is a reality, ha ha ha. We've been kind

1:33:25 Speaker 1: of playing with you a little bit. But here's reality.

1:33:27 Speaker 1: You're all going to play well with each other. You're

1:33:29 Speaker 1: all gonna be able to enjoy this free energy and whatnot,

1:33:33 Speaker 1: but you're gonna play by our rules. Now what happens Now,

1:33:37 Speaker 1: what happens to free will? At that point, humanity is

1:33:41 Speaker 1: faced with the reality potentially that we're not the alpha species,

1:33:46 Speaker 1: right and now that we have to do what something

1:33:50 Speaker 1: or someone else tells us to do. Is that free manifestation?

1:33:54 Speaker 1: Is that the ability for us to live our lives

1:33:58 Speaker 1: the way we want to live our lives, or the

1:34:01 Speaker 1: way we are told to live our lives.

1:34:03 Speaker 4: But isn't isn't that already happening in some version of

1:34:06 Speaker 4: reality with people believing that, you know, end of the

1:34:09 Speaker 4: world is true.

1:34:10 Speaker 1: Us governments, Look, we've been told to do all that.

1:34:14 Speaker 1: My government's religion in a situations, organizations, social clubs, absolutely ptas.

1:34:18 Speaker 1: I mean, I can't tell you how many societies are

1:34:20 Speaker 1: out there and you know, tell you how to live

1:34:23 Speaker 1: your life. Well, I mean, look, and they're not all bad.

1:34:25 Speaker 1: But we're in a place right now that has specific

1:34:28 Speaker 1: rules on, you know, how one should live their life.

1:34:30 Speaker 2: But wouldn't these entities I thought, this is what I

1:34:32 Speaker 2: thought you were going to say, aren't they already in control?

1:34:35 Speaker 2: And it's just about our awareness of whether they're control

1:34:37 Speaker 2: or not. I once I got breakfast with Tom DeLong,

1:34:40 Speaker 2: who I know you worked with that too, the Stars Academy,

1:34:43 Speaker 2: and he was saying that he thought that a lot

1:34:46 Speaker 2: of these Nhi are not great, and that they are

1:34:50 Speaker 2: like ar cons from the kind of Gnostic tradition and

1:34:54 Speaker 2: they kind of rule over the material world sort of thing.

1:34:57 Speaker 1: I you know, I I I'm always very careful not

1:35:01 Speaker 1: to share my opinion because my opinion doesn't matter at

1:35:03 Speaker 1: the end of the day. What matters is your opinion.

1:35:06 Speaker 1: It's again back to the question I had about this

1:35:08 Speaker 1: little sandbox. Right, you've got this double edged sword. You

1:35:11 Speaker 1: want to be able to give it to everybody, but

1:35:12 Speaker 1: not everybody's going to play. The old children are very

1:35:14 Speaker 1: nice to each other. And we still I mean, like

1:35:16 Speaker 1: I said, look at today's right now around the world,

1:35:19 Speaker 1: the world on fire, we still don't play well with

1:35:21 Speaker 1: each other. Are we ready? And I'm going and it's

1:35:24 Speaker 1: not a yes or no, I mean, I don't know

1:35:25 Speaker 1: you answer that we are we ready, truly ready for

1:35:30 Speaker 1: the truth to come out? Will we do the right thing,

1:35:34 Speaker 1: or will we do what we have always done in

1:35:37 Speaker 1: the past, always, there's not one exception where we didn't

1:35:43 Speaker 1: use it against one another.

1:35:46 Speaker 4: I'd like to believe that it's that we will make

1:35:50 Speaker 4: a better choice.

1:35:50 Speaker 1: I think, can we take a chance. Are you willing

1:35:53 Speaker 1: to take a chance on it?

1:35:55 Speaker 2: The specifics matter in the hypothetical, Yeah.

1:35:58 Speaker 1: They do, they do. But you understand where I'm going

1:36:00 Speaker 1: with this, right, So we're talking now that we're not

1:36:03 Speaker 1: we're beyond really the everybody said by one of the truth? Okay,

1:36:06 Speaker 1: but but how much of the truth do you want

1:36:09 Speaker 1: to know? And how much should we know? And then

1:36:11 Speaker 1: what do we do with it? And can we be

1:36:13 Speaker 1: trusted with it? Right? So there's a there's a cascading

1:36:16 Speaker 1: series of questions that come after that, philosophically speaking, And

1:36:21 Speaker 1: you know, it goes back down to the point where

1:36:23 Speaker 1: in the original conversation that hal Putoff discussed with you

1:36:26 Speaker 1: about public they can't believe you did that about the

1:36:28 Speaker 1: White House in two thousand and four. Are we ready

1:36:31 Speaker 1: to tell the American people the truth about UFOs? Yep?

1:36:49 Speaker 1: You know, until recently, I'd never seen close encounters the

1:36:51 Speaker 1: third kind. I found it really interesting that Spielberg got

1:36:55 Speaker 1: a lot of it right. Well, I was like, wow, Colt, yeah,

1:37:03 Speaker 1: he actually gets a Ninjack vallet. I guess it was

1:37:06 Speaker 1: assistant for a while. I mean I found that fascinating that.

1:37:08 Speaker 1: I was like, wow, some of these observables were like

1:37:12 Speaker 1: textbook right out of.

1:37:13 Speaker 2: The radiation damage.

1:37:15 Speaker 1: Yeah that's right. Yeah, Yeah, that's right.

1:37:17 Speaker 2: One piece of that movie, outside of there being crates

1:37:21 Speaker 2: that say tr W and skunk works that I think

1:37:23 Speaker 2: are pretty pretty fascinating around this topic is out of

1:37:28 Speaker 2: the craft. Not only are these gray aliens, but World

1:37:31 Speaker 2: War two soldiers come out of the craft. And there's

1:37:34 Speaker 2: actually a conversation that Steven Spielberg, who probably knew a

1:37:38 Speaker 2: lot about this topic, you know, grew up writing about

1:37:40 Speaker 2: this stuff, so clearly very into UFOs. He had a

1:37:43 Speaker 2: conversation with this guy, Robert Leefield, I think that the

1:37:46 Speaker 2: creator of Deadpool, and he says, what do you think

1:37:48 Speaker 2: is more likely? Is it future versions of ourselves guarding

1:37:51 Speaker 2: us in the present, or is it you know, random

1:37:54 Speaker 2: you know aliens from Zeta retiicula or whatever. And so

1:37:57 Speaker 2: that was that was his view. And if you look

1:37:59 Speaker 2: at a lot of the database, it's like the Edgar

1:38:00 Speaker 2: Mitchell database, over fifty percent of the cases report hominid

1:38:05 Speaker 2: like creatures. Sure, and so the likelihood of evolutionary convergence

1:38:08 Speaker 2: on random XYZ planet with totally different conditions feels very

1:38:13 Speaker 2: low compared to you know, you're seeing a thing that

1:38:16 Speaker 2: looks like us. In fact, you're seeing a thing in

1:38:18 Speaker 2: the gray alien that looks like what we are evolving into.

1:38:21 Speaker 2: Our ears and nose are becoming vestigial, our heads are

1:38:25 Speaker 2: becoming selected for.

1:38:27 Speaker 4: So I guess unless they're trying to just give us

1:38:30 Speaker 4: a form that can be closer to our understanding of

1:38:33 Speaker 4: what a living being is like if a jellyfish, why

1:38:35 Speaker 4: not just like that?

1:38:37 Speaker 2: But why not just look like that's fair? That's fair.

1:38:39 Speaker 2: Do you think that we'll ever have time travel in

1:38:42 Speaker 2: our lifetime? And the reason I ask is because there's

1:38:45 Speaker 2: a guy named Mike Masters. I don't know if you're

1:38:47 Speaker 2: familiar with him. He's an evolutionary biologist at Montana Tech University,

1:38:52 Speaker 2: and he's written a couple of interesting books, one called

1:38:54 Speaker 2: Identified Flying Objects, another one called Extra Tempestrials, And it's

1:38:58 Speaker 2: about this idea that actually, if you use basic inductive

1:39:02 Speaker 2: logic around the UFO phenomena. It's more likely us from

1:39:06 Speaker 2: the future or US time traveling versions of us, than

1:39:10 Speaker 2: it is extraterrestrials.

1:39:12 Speaker 1: So the problem with time travel is that in our

1:39:16 Speaker 1: current understanding of physics in the universe, you can only

1:39:19 Speaker 1: have that the the the mass in the universe is

1:39:25 Speaker 1: definitive matter. There's only so much matter or energy. There's

1:39:30 Speaker 1: there's a there's a there's a limit.

1:39:32 Speaker 5: It is.

1:39:33 Speaker 1: It is what it is from the beginning to the end.

1:39:35 Speaker 1: That doesn't change. You convert ultimately matter into energy, but

1:39:40 Speaker 1: there's only so much of it. And if I were

1:39:42 Speaker 1: to go back in time, even just me go back

1:39:46 Speaker 1: even five minutes ago, I'd be going into a universe

1:39:49 Speaker 1: where the mass was x and now it's x plus loup,

1:39:54 Speaker 1: even though there's because there's already a loue back there technically,

1:39:57 Speaker 1: So you would have to figure out a way to

1:40:00 Speaker 1: overcome that.

1:40:02 Speaker 2: Two possible ways to overcome that issue. One is if

1:40:05 Speaker 2: the universe is information theoretic or something that would be one,

1:40:09 Speaker 2: so it's sort of computation.

1:40:11 Speaker 1: Correction, especially like in a holographic and very correct correct.

1:40:14 Speaker 2: And then number two would be if we are sort

1:40:17 Speaker 2: of our own universes unto ourselves and we have consistent lifelines,

1:40:23 Speaker 2: but we can time travel. The whole thing sort of

1:40:26 Speaker 2: updates back around us. Sure, as we are sort of

1:40:29 Speaker 2: the universe viewing itself, is.

1:40:31 Speaker 1: Time travel possible? I don't know. You don't quantum physics.

1:40:35 Speaker 1: When you get down to space time at the very

1:40:37 Speaker 1: very small level, the notion of space time breaks down entirely.

1:40:40 Speaker 1: The same thing in let's say a black hole. Right,

1:40:43 Speaker 1: once you get past that events, when you get towards

1:40:44 Speaker 1: a singularity, space and time is twisted so much and

1:40:49 Speaker 1: that the very notion of space time breaks down, it

1:40:52 Speaker 1: doesn't make sense. It's nonsensical. Well, first of all, what

1:40:56 Speaker 1: is time? Let's look at in reality what is time?

1:40:59 Speaker 1: What is matter? Right, time is a measurement that it

1:41:04 Speaker 1: takes to travel from point A to point B. That

1:41:07 Speaker 1: is the definition of time. Okay, what is matter? Matter

1:41:12 Speaker 1: is in essence, something that occupies space. Then you have

1:41:17 Speaker 1: to ask a question.

1:41:18 Speaker 2: You could not travel distance and time will still persist.

1:41:21 Speaker 1: By no, Actually that depends.

1:41:24 Speaker 4: No.

1:41:24 Speaker 1: If you have totally the total of the universe, total

1:41:26 Speaker 1: static universe, time does not exist. The only way time

1:41:30 Speaker 1: exists is if you have a comparison of motion so

1:41:34 Speaker 1: once the universe. One of the theories that the universe

1:41:37 Speaker 1: will eventually expand expand expand, and then eventually every thing

1:41:42 Speaker 1: in even the atoms, the electrons will stop spinning. And

1:41:45 Speaker 1: when that occurs on the last atom in the farthest

1:41:48 Speaker 1: piece of the universe, time stops. Because there's no way

1:41:50 Speaker 1: to measure time anymore. So let's start with a fundamental

1:41:53 Speaker 1: basic question of matter. Because you met, time can only

1:41:58 Speaker 1: be measured with a motion of matter to some degree.

1:42:01 Speaker 1: So what is matter and what is space? Well, matter

1:42:06 Speaker 1: occupy space. Can you have space without matter? Yes? Can

1:42:10 Speaker 1: you have matter without space?

1:42:12 Speaker 4: No?

1:42:13 Speaker 1: There must be something for matter to exist within. Now

1:42:16 Speaker 1: let's say hypothetically Amar pops into the universe. Nothing around him. Here,

1:42:24 Speaker 1: I am universe, but I don't know what the universe

1:42:27 Speaker 1: is because there's nothing else to compare it to. It's

1:42:29 Speaker 1: just empty space. Right all of a sudden, Now you

1:42:33 Speaker 1: pop into the universe and you see a mar Right now,

1:42:36 Speaker 1: you have no idea the notion of distance or scale

1:42:42 Speaker 1: with just two things in the universe, because you both

1:42:45 Speaker 1: could be the size of an atom, or you both

1:42:47 Speaker 1: could be the size of galaxies. There's no way to compare, right,

1:42:51 Speaker 1: and same with distance. You know that he's there, but

1:42:53 Speaker 1: is there ten light years or is it ten feet

1:42:56 Speaker 1: or is it ten inches? Right, Only when AMR starts

1:42:59 Speaker 1: to move from you, you can start saying there's motion,

1:43:03 Speaker 1: but you still don't know speed or distance. You just

1:43:07 Speaker 1: see motion. Now all of a sudden, I pop into

1:43:09 Speaker 1: the reality. Now there's three of us, right, and now

1:43:12 Speaker 1: you can start for the first time looking at scalability heat.

1:43:17 Speaker 1: A mark can compare me to you and say, lou

1:43:20 Speaker 1: is one third denser than you. You are one third

1:43:26 Speaker 1: taller than I am, right, and in comparison, then a

1:43:29 Speaker 1: mark can look at himself, okay, and I'm kind of

1:43:31 Speaker 1: somewhere in the middle.

1:43:32 Speaker 2: There's some baseline and that becomes a unit of measurement.

1:43:35 Speaker 1: Exactly, exactly exactly.

1:43:37 Speaker 2: But the question I have is if you just leave

1:43:39 Speaker 2: biology sort of in existence, it will decant like h enthopianetrophy.

1:43:44 Speaker 1: But but that doesn't mean necessarily when when that decay

1:43:48 Speaker 1: is complete, meaning all motion stops. That's what decay is.

1:43:53 Speaker 1: It's the movement of separation of matter atoms from each other. Right,

1:43:57 Speaker 1: that's decay or decomposition. But when that stops, and I

1:44:02 Speaker 1: mean stops even at the atomic level, electrons cease to

1:44:05 Speaker 1: spin around the nucleus of an atom. Time stops. There's

1:44:09 Speaker 1: no reference for time, there's no way to measure it.

1:44:11 Speaker 1: Time does it keep going because there's no reference to

1:44:14 Speaker 1: measure it. It now becomes nonsensical. And so that and

1:44:19 Speaker 1: there is part of the problem abut time, because time,

1:44:22 Speaker 1: to some degree is a invention of human beings. It

1:44:26 Speaker 1: is that fourth dimension. You have three dimensional space, time

1:44:29 Speaker 1: being a function of the fourth dimension. But time is relative,

1:44:33 Speaker 1: and we now know that through Einstein observations relativity. Looking at,

1:44:37 Speaker 1: for example, geosynchronous satellites that are orbiting the Earth, the

1:44:40 Speaker 1: atomic ca caesium clock that is on that spacecraft runs

1:44:45 Speaker 1: distinctly different than the ground station clock, even though it's

1:44:47 Speaker 1: the exact same atomic caesium clock. And that's because the

1:44:51 Speaker 1: massive Earth is affecting the ground station clock more than

1:44:56 Speaker 1: more than the spacecraft up there. Right, that's right, we'll

1:45:01 Speaker 1: move in as well. So we really need to understand

1:45:06 Speaker 1: what is matter, what is space, and what is time.

1:45:09 Speaker 1: Those are the fundamental real elements of the universe. Forget

1:45:13 Speaker 1: about particles, just just the notion of space, matter or

1:45:18 Speaker 1: mass out time.

1:45:19 Speaker 2: How put Off thinks that maybe the way these crafts

1:45:24 Speaker 2: UFOs move is by manipulating space time metric through promoting

1:45:29 Speaker 2: gravity basically from a constant to a field variable.

1:45:33 Speaker 1: Correct. Correct? Do you think that that's possible, That's that's

1:45:36 Speaker 1: what we were looking at a tip, that's absolutely the

1:45:39 Speaker 1: fundamental theory. That's not a possibility, that's that's exactly what

1:45:42 Speaker 1: the mathematical formulas are are are are suggesting.

1:45:50 Speaker 2: Do you think in some ways that you know, like

1:45:52 Speaker 2: the idea of signature management, like there's some way in

1:45:55 Speaker 2: which the what's being recollected is sort of managed in

1:45:59 Speaker 2: some way, you.

1:46:01 Speaker 1: Know, some people, some people have speculated that when you

1:46:05 Speaker 1: look at the old UFO pictures and compare them today,

1:46:09 Speaker 1: there's an evolution and that people are seeing what is

1:46:12 Speaker 1: in their current construct for them to understand. Others suggest

1:46:17 Speaker 1: now that these technical vehicles have been around for a

1:46:19 Speaker 1: very long time. One of the photos you showed me there,

1:46:23 Speaker 1: I was a little bit skeptical of the one that

1:46:25 Speaker 1: shows them like old little rocket ship because when you

1:46:27 Speaker 1: look at the back end, by the way, there's been

1:46:29 Speaker 1: a lot of hoaxes that have come out. When you

1:46:31 Speaker 1: look at the end of that rocket ship, there's a

1:46:34 Speaker 1: cone like this an exhaust cone that is for rocket

1:46:38 Speaker 1: propelled combustion. UAPs don't use that, they have no visible Well,

1:46:43 Speaker 1: what do you guys think about this topic from your

1:46:46 Speaker 1: perspective and your views on how this is now playing

1:46:51 Speaker 1: out on the international scale, the international stage of this conversation.

1:46:55 Speaker 2: Well, I see two things. One is that it's just

1:47:00 Speaker 2: it's this cynical, kind of condescending treatment of the American

1:47:03 Speaker 2: people that they just can't think for themselves. They can't

1:47:06 Speaker 2: handle the truth. And I actually think a lot of

1:47:10 Speaker 2: the world right now, you know, organized religion is in decline,

1:47:13 Speaker 2: and to your point, louse this fact, this greater ontological

1:47:18 Speaker 2: truth is marrying the religion of today, which is really science,

1:47:23 Speaker 2: with past religions because we're looking at something that is

1:47:27 Speaker 2: observable in a modern context in the form of UAPs.

1:47:30 Speaker 2: This is studiable, but then it comports with all these

1:47:33 Speaker 2: religious texts and actually a more magical version of the

1:47:36 Speaker 2: universe that you know, is much easier. It's it's the

1:47:39 Speaker 2: way skeptics, the way Christopher Hitchens and Bill Maher, you know,

1:47:42 Speaker 2: these sorts are Sam Harris write off religion. So I

1:47:45 Speaker 2: think this kind of lame, low energy, you know, early

1:47:49 Speaker 2: Cold War, thinking that it would just be too destabilizing

1:47:52 Speaker 2: is just dumb at this point. And then there's the

1:47:54 Speaker 2: side of American national security, which is equally absurd. It's

1:47:58 Speaker 2: equally like if in the world, which this is real,

1:48:00 Speaker 2: which I'm pretty bought into this being real, it's like

1:48:05 Speaker 2: you have this cargo cult of national security apparatus where

1:48:08 Speaker 2: the left hand can't talk to the right hand, nobody

1:48:11 Speaker 2: has the proper scientific frameworks, and it's like, I get

1:48:16 Speaker 2: deep into some of these things, and like, I don't

1:48:18 Speaker 2: I feel uncomfortable reporting on some of the stuff that

1:48:21 Speaker 2: I learned because I'm like, is there anybody there? Like

1:48:23 Speaker 2: I'm not trying to poke a hornet's nest gratuitously. I

1:48:28 Speaker 2: just want the whole thing to shift in a way

1:48:30 Speaker 2: that's more coordinated for our national security because I'm very

1:48:34 Speaker 2: pro America. And so that frustrates me because it's like

1:48:38 Speaker 2: there's no one to talk to, like who's in charge,

1:48:40 Speaker 2: like what's going on? There clearly have been efforts in

1:48:42 Speaker 2: the past. I'll ttsa to like get this stuff out,

1:48:47 Speaker 2: you know, in a safe way, And I actually empathize

1:48:49 Speaker 2: with some of these people who are involved in those

1:48:52 Speaker 2: efforts because they're not the president of the United States,

1:48:55 Speaker 2: and it's and they were tasked by three letter agencies

1:48:58 Speaker 2: to do things that they didn't really want to do,

1:49:00 Speaker 2: you know, years ago, but like it's too little and

1:49:05 Speaker 2: too late or something like we need to do it

1:49:07 Speaker 2: now and we need to just kind of like reorganize

1:49:10 Speaker 2: all this stuff. So it's like those two things like

1:49:12 Speaker 2: personal meaning and you know, the way everybody should comport

1:49:15 Speaker 2: themselves and live their lives and view religion and metaphysics.

1:49:19 Speaker 2: And then this other thing is this American national security thing,

1:49:21 Speaker 2: which is it's a tragedy, Like I don't understand what's

1:49:24 Speaker 2: going on there.

1:49:25 Speaker 4: As someone who is guided by the phrase seek this

1:49:29 Speaker 4: comfort in my life, I think this is probably one

1:49:32 Speaker 4: of the greatest ways one can seek this comfort, to

1:49:34 Speaker 4: just like reconsider these assumptions that we've made about reality

1:49:39 Speaker 4: and what this could all be.

1:49:45 Speaker 7: There is perhaps no better demonstration of the folly of

1:49:49 Speaker 7: human conceits than this distant image. To me, it underscores

1:49:57 Speaker 7: our responsibility and to deal more kindly with one another,

1:50:01 Speaker 7: and to preserve and cherish the pale blue dot, the

1:50:06 Speaker 7: only home we've ever known.

1:50:12 Speaker 4: I think we've reached the level of maturity that that

1:50:15 Speaker 4: a part of the reason of that the you know,

1:50:17 Speaker 4: the phenomenon is becoming a mainstream topic and more and

1:50:20 Speaker 4: more people are getting are becoming aware of it is

1:50:22 Speaker 4: because I think we have we are getting there as

1:50:25 Speaker 4: like in terms of our collective consciousness, and more people

1:50:29 Speaker 4: are waking up. And I think events like COVID have

1:50:32 Speaker 4: accelerated that by by by a whole lot that now,

1:50:36 Speaker 4: you know, trust in government isn't all Is it an

1:50:38 Speaker 4: all time low? Trust in in mass media is it

1:50:41 Speaker 4: an all time low? And I think people are just

1:50:44 Speaker 4: realizing that government lies all the time, and you know

1:50:49 Speaker 4: you have and you.

1:50:49 Speaker 1: Know why because government is made of people. Yeah, government

1:50:54 Speaker 1: is made of people. People lie.

1:50:56 Speaker 2: There's something that that people believe.

1:50:59 Speaker 4: There's something that can to my mind, when you were

1:51:00 Speaker 4: asking that question, was Terrence McKenna talking about one time

1:51:05 Speaker 4: he the mushrooms told him that we what we're going

1:51:09 Speaker 4: through is right now is is like the final step

1:51:14 Speaker 4: before we venture into the into the stars. Yeah, break

1:51:17 Speaker 4: through And it's like it's a fire and a mad

1:51:19 Speaker 4: house and just all this chaos is happening because you know,

1:51:23 Speaker 4: we're on the precipice of just a massive paradigm shift.

1:51:26 Speaker 4: And that's what it like, intuitively and inside of me.

1:51:29 Speaker 4: It's even part of my interest in me pursuing this

1:51:32 Speaker 4: topic is because I really feel like we're at the

1:51:34 Speaker 4: cusp of something really major happening. And a part of

1:51:37 Speaker 4: that is, you know, your efforts and you know throughout

1:51:40 Speaker 4: the past two decades, and you know, twenty seventeen with

1:51:43 Speaker 4: just putting the videos a on a platform that was,

1:51:47 Speaker 4: you know, perceived as as a trusted one as The

1:51:49 Speaker 4: New York Times, and that story coming out has definitely

1:51:51 Speaker 4: was the beginning of the shift that we're that allows

1:51:54 Speaker 4: us to be sitting with.

1:51:54 Speaker 1: These I don't I think. I think you guys are

1:51:58 Speaker 1: the reasons why we're having this conversation because it could

1:52:02 Speaker 1: have fell in deaf ears and nobody would care. My

1:52:06 Speaker 1: generation didn't care that much, yours did. You're the reason

1:52:09 Speaker 1: why this topic is where it is today.

1:52:11 Speaker 22: Not me.

1:52:12 Speaker 1: I may have, you know, struck the match, but this bonfire,

1:52:16 Speaker 1: this wildfire, that's you guys. You guys are the wind.

1:52:19 Speaker 1: You guys have taken that little look. Fires are made

1:52:23 Speaker 1: all the time and they go nowhere. They're extinguished with

1:52:25 Speaker 1: the next rain, or they're extinguished because you don't have

1:52:27 Speaker 1: enough tender, they don't have enough oxygen. This is a

1:52:31 Speaker 1: raging wildfire. And it's not because of me. I can't

1:52:34 Speaker 1: take credit for that. It's because of what your generation

1:52:36 Speaker 1: has done with It's what you.

1:52:38 Speaker 4: And if strength, if there's strength in numbers, then I

1:52:42 Speaker 4: think our numbers are predamn good. Like I think there's

1:52:44 Speaker 4: way more good people that want good things to happen

1:52:49 Speaker 4: with disclosure and with more people being aware that the

1:52:53 Speaker 4: reality is so much greater than we ever thought. And

1:52:56 Speaker 4: also the dissemination of information is now exists in a

1:52:59 Speaker 4: way that it cannot be controlled. And I think this

1:53:01 Speaker 4: is the new variable that that hasn't existed, you know

1:53:05 Speaker 4: in the previous decades as this topic became, you know,

1:53:08 Speaker 4: as the secrecy of the topic became more and more

1:53:11 Speaker 4: like affirm So so I think now you can't you

1:53:15 Speaker 4: can't stop a United pilot from posting a TikTok saying

1:53:17 Speaker 4: that he just saw something crazy, that's right, you know,

1:53:20 Speaker 4: Like and I think what it was last week two

1:53:23 Speaker 4: pilots in Saudi Arabia or flying and they saw some

1:53:25 Speaker 4: crazy this is not a plane and it's and they're

1:53:29 Speaker 4: like right there, they uploaded the video as soon as

1:53:31 Speaker 4: they land there, right, And I think those are the

1:53:33 Speaker 4: things that just you know, the US government or any

1:53:35 Speaker 4: government that didn't have to deal with twenty years ago.

1:53:38 Speaker 1: I will also say too, I think the you know, society,

1:53:42 Speaker 1: in some cases, I think has gotten I hate to

1:53:45 Speaker 1: say the word dumber in some cases. But I will

1:53:48 Speaker 1: also tell you I think it's also gone a hell

1:53:50 Speaker 1: a lot smarter. When I was your age to have

1:53:52 Speaker 1: a conversation like this, I was too busy chasing girls,

1:53:57 Speaker 1: working as a bouncer. You know, here we are three

1:54:01 Speaker 1: people in our nation's capital having a conversation what may

1:54:06 Speaker 1: be the quintessential topic of humanity and the where we

1:54:16 Speaker 1: go as society forward is in your hands. And so

1:54:23 Speaker 1: for things like that and your audience's hands. When I

1:54:26 Speaker 1: when I get to meet and engage with people like

1:54:29 Speaker 1: you and your audience, it gives me faith. It restores

1:54:32 Speaker 1: my faith in our species because you, guys, and your

1:54:38 Speaker 1: your audience, your generation are not excuse upon, but light

1:54:41 Speaker 1: years ahead of where where my generation was. And for that,

1:54:46 Speaker 1: it gives me a lot of hope that maybe we

1:54:49 Speaker 1: can handle the truth. Maybe, maybe you know what, maybe

1:54:52 Speaker 1: we can find a way where the kids in the

1:54:54 Speaker 1: sandbox can play together, right if you can't give them

1:54:58 Speaker 1: you can't break the toy in twelve piece. Maybe you

1:55:00 Speaker 1: put it in the middle of the sandbox and rather

1:55:03 Speaker 1: than letting every child takes turns playing with it, you

1:55:07 Speaker 1: make a game where all the kids play with it

1:55:08 Speaker 1: at once, right, so you don't have to divide the toy.

1:55:12 Speaker 1: So that's why I was trying to think that we

1:55:14 Speaker 1: could get to in this conversation. You know, you have

1:55:17 Speaker 1: twelve kids in the sandbox, You've got one toy. How

1:55:19 Speaker 1: do you share it?

1:55:20 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's simultaneous, simult.

1:55:23 Speaker 1: You don't share it. What you do is you create

1:55:25 Speaker 1: the game where all of them get to play with

1:55:26 Speaker 1: it at the same time. And that's how you do it.

1:55:33 Speaker 4: Are you exhausted of just talking about this and and

1:55:37 Speaker 4: and spending the last few years of your life just

1:55:40 Speaker 4: being so deep and that probably the way you, like,

1:55:44 Speaker 4: I would assume like that. It's almost like connections in

1:55:47 Speaker 4: your life to other human beings are probably predominantly led

1:55:50 Speaker 4: by the topic like does it Does it ever get

1:55:52 Speaker 4: to you on a personal level?

1:55:54 Speaker 1: Wow? Yeah, But not in the way that you might think.

1:56:05 Speaker 1: I'm pretty tired, I'm physically mentally, emotionally, I don't know

1:56:12 Speaker 1: how much more I have because it's been a multi

1:56:16 Speaker 1: front battle for me. It's not just an esoteric conversation.

1:56:19 Speaker 1: It's a conversation that the stakes couldn't be higher. And

1:56:24 Speaker 1: there are elements there that don't want me to have

1:56:26 Speaker 1: a conversation at all, and I'm working very hard to

1:56:28 Speaker 1: keep me quiet. And you know, there's days I wake

1:56:34 Speaker 1: up honestly and say I made a mistake. I never

1:56:36 Speaker 1: should have I never should have come out and told people.

1:56:40 Speaker 1: And then there's other times I wake up and get

1:56:44 Speaker 1: to talk to people like you, and I say, Okay,

1:56:46 Speaker 1: it's worth it. It's worth it, no matter what happens

1:56:49 Speaker 1: to me, it's worth it. But at the end of

1:56:51 Speaker 1: the day, dude, I'm just human, you know, and I'm

1:56:54 Speaker 1: not perfect. And I get tired like everybody else. I

1:56:56 Speaker 1: get cranky and angry like everybody else. And you know,

1:57:01 Speaker 1: I think my biggest concern is a lot of people

1:57:02 Speaker 1: look at me and and they ascribe the trade to

1:57:06 Speaker 1: me that's first of all undeserving and and not earned.

1:57:12 Speaker 1: You know, they're like, oh, this guy has got this,

1:57:15 Speaker 1: you know, super insight and intellect. And I don't just

1:57:19 Speaker 1: as lost and confuses everybody else. He just happened to

1:57:22 Speaker 1: have access to some information that I think is worth

1:57:26 Speaker 1: talent because, you know, just given a job, and the

1:57:30 Speaker 1: results of that were very you know, I think very

1:57:33 Speaker 1: very important for us to communicate to our fellow men

1:57:36 Speaker 1: and women and our fellow citizens. But I don't have

1:57:39 Speaker 1: all the answers. You know, I'm on the same journey

1:57:42 Speaker 1: as you, you know, and people look at me as

1:57:45 Speaker 1: you know, almost like Moses on the mountain, right, and

1:57:47 Speaker 1: you know, let's ask glu let's confer with a great oracle.

1:57:50 Speaker 2: I'm not that guy.

1:57:53 Speaker 1: I'm not that guy. I'm down the mountain, off the

1:57:57 Speaker 1: mountain with you. I'm we're shoulder and the shoulder man.

1:58:00 Speaker 1: That's you know. I'm looking for answers, just like you,

1:58:04 Speaker 1: and you know, always being true to yourself and being honest,

1:58:08 Speaker 1: being able to admit that and tell people a lot

1:58:10 Speaker 1: of people think, well, you know the people you have

1:58:11 Speaker 1: all the answers, Well, yes, I have all the answer.

1:58:13 Speaker 22: You know what.

1:58:13 Speaker 1: I am special and dog gone. I deserve to be

1:58:16 Speaker 1: treated special. And that's all horseshit. That's an ego and

1:58:20 Speaker 1: you gotta, you gotta get rid of that ship. You know,

1:58:22 Speaker 1: this conversation is far more profound, far more important, and

1:58:26 Speaker 1: it can't be about any single one person. I'm just

1:58:28 Speaker 1: a messenger, man, and that's it, you know. I don't

1:58:31 Speaker 1: confuse the message with the messenger because I'm I am

1:58:35 Speaker 1: far from perfect. I am not. I've made a lot

1:58:37 Speaker 1: of mistakes in my life, a lot of regrets I have,

1:58:41 Speaker 1: you know, and that's what makes me.

1:58:42 Speaker 14: Human, you know.

1:58:43 Speaker 4: So, yeah, Lou, are you hopeful?

1:58:54 Speaker 1: I have two daughters the greatest accomplishment and create and

1:59:00 Speaker 1: and I have the greatest accomplishment of my life. I

1:59:06 Speaker 1: will never come close to ever doing anything like that again.

1:59:10 Speaker 1: I have to be hopeful for them, even if there's

1:59:15 Speaker 1: some cynicism in me. I have to, you know. I

1:59:18 Speaker 1: often tell people I love humanity. It's humans I don't like,

1:59:23 Speaker 1: because on an individual basis it can be very selfish

1:59:26 Speaker 1: and mean and spiteful, and you know, but humanity at

1:59:31 Speaker 1: large I love. I love, you know, a lot of

1:59:34 Speaker 1: my feed on on on social media is really it's

1:59:37 Speaker 1: it sounds silly, it's embarrassing, but it's it's looking at

1:59:41 Speaker 1: dogs and cats and animals doing funny things and and

1:59:44 Speaker 1: and and communicating with their owners. You know that to

1:59:47 Speaker 1: me is that gives me hope. You know, you can

1:59:50 Speaker 1: turn on the news and see all sorts of terrible

1:59:52 Speaker 1: things all day long, but then there's some sites where

1:59:55 Speaker 1: you can turn onto and all of a sudden, it's

1:59:57 Speaker 1: just it's just real joy, right, And what is choy Well, ultimately,

2:00:01 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, it's one of the universe.

2:00:03 Speaker 1: It's it's tied to one of the most important things

2:00:06 Speaker 1: in the universe, which is love. Without love, there's no purpose.

2:00:09 Speaker 4: Do you think do you think that's the reason whoever

2:00:13 Speaker 4: they are or interested in us? Do you think it

2:00:15 Speaker 4: has something to do with our capacity for love? I

2:00:18 Speaker 4: couldn't tell you because there's just always a specific interview

2:00:22 Speaker 4: that actually doctor John mac conducted with some of the

2:00:25 Speaker 4: witnesses from the Aerial school, and it's this girl from

2:00:30 Speaker 4: Zimbabwe that was recounting her experience, and he goes to

2:00:33 Speaker 4: kind of like try to get her perspective for why

2:00:36 Speaker 4: she thinks the visitors were there that she interacted with

2:00:40 Speaker 4: face to face, and she had had theopathic downloads, and

2:00:43 Speaker 4: she goes, I think in space there's no love, but

2:00:46 Speaker 4: down here there is. And I remember the first time

2:00:49 Speaker 4: I watched that I like completely broke down hearing it

2:00:52 Speaker 4: because something in it just felt like like truth to me.

2:00:55 Speaker 1: Love is Love is life, and the reason why we

2:01:04 Speaker 1: live is to love, I believe.

2:01:06 Speaker 14: Now.

2:01:07 Speaker 1: The problem is in the absence of love, there is fear,

2:01:10 Speaker 1: and fear drives many things. It drives hatred and animosity

2:01:14 Speaker 1: and violence. But love is the opposite. Love is, for me,

2:01:19 Speaker 1: the reason why we even exist. Without it, there is

2:01:22 Speaker 1: no purpose, there's no reason. It's it's we are automatons.

2:01:25 Speaker 1: We are chemicals put together in a soup, and that's it.

2:01:33 Speaker 1: Love is what gives life meaning. And I say that

2:01:40 Speaker 1: because I've seen both the best of man and the

2:01:42 Speaker 1: worst of man, all within seconds of each other. You know,

2:01:50 Speaker 1: it's a shame because on one hand, I spend so

2:01:52 Speaker 1: much of my time ripping apart, you know, people with conflict.

2:01:58 Speaker 1: I would like to spend the rest of my life

2:01:59 Speaker 1: helping put people back together. Love is very is. It

2:02:03 Speaker 1: is the most important thing out there.

2:02:06 Speaker 2: If you were speaking to the average STEM student science

2:02:10 Speaker 2: and engineering student in America, knowing what you know, how

2:02:14 Speaker 2: would you tell them to navigate middle school, high school, college,

2:02:19 Speaker 2: and study the world? Given the reality of UFOs in

2:02:25 Speaker 2: an academic context, because they're probably given the wrong framework.

2:02:30 Speaker 1: I would say sometimes to see clearly, you have to

2:02:32 Speaker 1: close your eyes. Study not only with your mind, but

2:02:37 Speaker 1: study with your heart, because that emotional part of us

2:02:43 Speaker 1: is just as important, if not even more important, than

2:02:45 Speaker 1: our intellect. If you want to understand what's going on

2:02:50 Speaker 1: out there, you have to first understand what's going on

2:02:52 Speaker 1: in here. There's no way around it, there's no shortcut.

2:02:57 Speaker 2: Wow, the word eminent, you know, well, you right. Actually,

2:03:02 Speaker 2: in the forward of the book you say, this is

2:03:05 Speaker 2: not meant that there's, you know, some sort of imminent threat. Necessarily,

2:03:10 Speaker 2: But I'm not gonna lie. When I spend time with you,

2:03:12 Speaker 2: We've spent a decent amount of time together. I get

2:03:15 Speaker 2: the sense that you're sitting on things that feel like

2:03:19 Speaker 2: very hard truths. It feels like your existence, like you

2:03:24 Speaker 2: want to say more, and you feel like you are

2:03:27 Speaker 2: you're holding it together. And that's a tough spot to

2:03:31 Speaker 2: be in. And so to the extent you can talk

2:03:34 Speaker 2: about what might be imminent, what is imminent?

2:03:40 Speaker 1: Time is not a luxury that we can afford. The

2:03:48 Speaker 1: time has come. We need to start having the conversation. Collectively.

2:03:51 Speaker 1: We should should have had it a while ago, but

2:03:53 Speaker 1: we really need to. We really need to start having

2:03:56 Speaker 1: a conversation.

2:03:59 Speaker 2: I can't think of a better note too.

2:04:01 Speaker 1: Yeah, and awesome, guys, absolute honor for us.

2:04:06 Speaker 2: Really appreciate it.

2:04:07 Speaker 1: Absolute brother.

2:04:10 Speaker 3: All right, man, you got it.

2:04:11 Speaker 1: Brother, Thank you for what you guys do. Man, thank you.

2:04:15 Speaker 1: That was awesome. We got it.

2:04:17 Speaker 2: Thanks for tuning into this episode. Let me know what

2:04:19 Speaker 2: you thought in the comments. And a final announcement if

2:04:22 Speaker 2: you are worthy and have made it to this point

2:04:24 Speaker 2: in the video, I'm starting a discord. The link is

2:04:27 Speaker 2: discord dot gg slash Jesse Michaels, Michaels with no A,

2:04:31 Speaker 2: please join it. We're gonna be talking about all sorts

2:04:33 Speaker 2: of crazy stuff, secret science, core UFO truths, and the

2:04:37 Speaker 2: nature of reality. We explored a lot of themes with

2:04:39 Speaker 2: Lou in this interview, but if there's a particularly important

2:04:42 Speaker 2: one that I'd like to emphasize, it's that the left

2:04:45 Speaker 2: hand path, aligning oneself with supernatural forces without the proper

2:04:50 Speaker 2: intention almost always ends badly. It certainly did for Jack Parsons,

2:04:55 Speaker 2: father of the American Space Program, who blew himself up,

2:04:58 Speaker 2: but it did for Foul, and it did for Prometheus

2:05:01 Speaker 2: before hints seeking forbidden knowledge and getting burned is perhaps

2:05:06 Speaker 2: the most primordial human story. Seeking the grace of God,

2:05:10 Speaker 2: on the other hand, is always available and infinitely more powerful.

2:05:14 Speaker 2: This recalls a quote from the nineteenth century French author

2:05:18 Speaker 2: Charles Baudelaire, who wrote that the greatest trick the devil

2:05:21 Speaker 2: ever told was convincing the world he does not exist.

2:05:24 Speaker 2: My favorite variation of that quote is the Rene Gerard version.

2:05:28 Speaker 2: The second trick of the devil is convincing you he does.

2:05:31 Speaker 2: While Lou hints sometimes that the world is surrounded by

2:05:34 Speaker 2: entities that we may considered not super great or bad.

2:05:38 Speaker 2: They are often paper thin and only as powerful as

2:05:41 Speaker 2: you make them. So focus on the right things until

2:05:44 Speaker 2: next week. My name's Jesse Michaels. Thank you for tanning in.

2:05:49 Speaker 1: I'm okay with the idea that you know in my lifetime,

2:05:51 Speaker 1: I'm not going to have all the answers, and that's

2:05:53 Speaker 1: okay because that's what makes life worthliving.

2:06:00 Speaker 5: Fo