Unveiling Ufo Secrets: Accidental Truths Revealed By Ron James!

0:09 Speaker 1: What all.

0:12 Speaker 2: Our diap I occasionally think how quickly our difference is

0:16 Speaker 2: worldwide would vanish if we were facing an alien threat

0:20 Speaker 2: from outside this work. And yet I ask you, it's

0:22 Speaker 2: not an alien force already amongst.

0:24 Speaker 3: We must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether

0:28 Speaker 3: sought or unsolved by the military industrial contact. The potential

0:32 Speaker 3: or the disastrous rise or misplaced power exists and will persist.

0:57 Speaker 3: Now I am become death by or world association with

1:00 Speaker 3: Project Group, they definitely withheld information.

1:12 Speaker 4: Against shall be twere were for destiny. We're about to

1:18 Speaker 4: give us the truth, the whole truth and the truth.

1:21 Speaker 5: So help you guys.

1:21 Speaker 4: Do you believe that our government is in possessions?

1:23 Speaker 6: The METS absolutely welcome everyone too, total disclosure. I am

1:35 Speaker 6: your host Tied tonight. We have an exciting episode ahead.

1:39 Speaker 6: I'm thrilled to have you join us as we dive

1:42 Speaker 6: into the mysterious and captivating world of the UFO phenomena.

1:45 Speaker 6: Our special guest tonight is Ron James, the head of

1:49 Speaker 6: Media Relations for the Mutual UFO Network or MOFON, and

1:53 Speaker 6: the visionary director behind the groundbreaking documentary Accidental Truth UFO Revelation.

2:00 Speaker 7: With years of experience in the field.

2:02 Speaker 6: Ron has dedicated himself to uncovering the truth behind the

2:06 Speaker 6: UFO sightings and the implications they hold for humanity. As

2:10 Speaker 6: we explore the insights from his documentary and his extensive

2:15 Speaker 6: work with Muffan, prepare to have your perceptions rocked and

2:19 Speaker 6: your curiosity ignited. So sit back, relax, and let's embark

2:23 Speaker 6: on this journey into the unknown together. Welcome mister Ron James.

2:28 Speaker 7: How we do it?

2:29 Speaker 1: Great Tyler, thanks for having me on the show.

2:32 Speaker 4: A right, that's a whole lot to deliver. No pressure there.

2:37 Speaker 6: I wrote that I was like, every word and every

2:40 Speaker 6: adjective is just gonna, you know, spice this up and

2:44 Speaker 6: make him feel the pressure.

2:46 Speaker 7: But I honestly I've ever watched.

2:50 Speaker 6: Accidental Truth probably three times, two and a half, three times,

2:55 Speaker 6: and my god, what.

2:57 Speaker 7: A great film.

3:00 Speaker 6: You did, an excellent job, and you know, pots off

3:03 Speaker 6: to you and what you've done for this community with that, well.

3:08 Speaker 4: Thank you.

3:08 Speaker 1: I made in twenty twelve, I made a film called

3:11 Speaker 1: The Disclosure Dialogues and it won that It was a

3:14 Speaker 1: five disc set with very in depth interviews, but the

3:17 Speaker 1: main feature film was called It Could Happen Tomorrow, and

3:20 Speaker 1: it was about disclosure back in the Obama era, and

3:23 Speaker 1: we're going to It's still available out there on Amazon actually,

3:26 Speaker 1: but I didn't want to make another UFO film until

3:29 Speaker 1: I could really move the ball, and so when I

3:32 Speaker 1: made Accidental Truth, I set out to really convey what

3:38 Speaker 1: was happening inside of government and how we're being manipulated

3:41 Speaker 1: with this new disclosure that we're getting, and the players

3:46 Speaker 1: and what they're actually up to. And I think I

3:50 Speaker 1: laid out the case. And so if you know nothing

3:52 Speaker 1: about the UFO topic, it will enlighten you. And if

3:55 Speaker 1: you know, think you know everything about the UFO topic,

3:58 Speaker 1: I hope it surprises you. Oh yeah, Accidental Truth was

4:01 Speaker 1: probably the best best thing I've done.

4:04 Speaker 7: Well, uh, I think.

4:06 Speaker 6: I think the like you said, the amount of heavy

4:10 Speaker 6: hitters that you that are featured in the documentary just

4:14 Speaker 6: lends credence to And I loved how you use the

4:17 Speaker 6: title accidental Truths and kind of explain it right from

4:20 Speaker 6: the jump and right from the the immediate interesting and

4:25 Speaker 6: you're saying, you know, it's up to us to read

4:29 Speaker 6: between the lines, because you know, even when we get

4:32 Speaker 6: these guys in front of Congress, you know, they just say,

4:35 Speaker 6: I can't say that, I can't discuss that publicly, I'll

4:39 Speaker 6: violate my NDA. So it's like we're getting this d

4:41 Speaker 6: O D DOBS or approved disclosure.

4:45 Speaker 7: Right now, and it's up to us to read between

4:47 Speaker 7: the lines.

4:48 Speaker 4: So sometimes sometimes it's even more obvious.

4:51 Speaker 1: You know, at the recent hearings, I had a very

4:55 Speaker 1: unusual set of synchronicities, and we actually got another accidental

5:00 Speaker 1: truth out of Lou during the hearings that he did

5:03 Speaker 1: not see coming. And I've had this discussion with him

5:06 Speaker 1: because to me, it's just ironic how it happened when

5:11 Speaker 1: one of my friends ran into Eric Burrows and the

5:13 Speaker 1: night before the hearings, and it was in a social

5:16 Speaker 1: setting and he was like, well, what kind of questions

5:17 Speaker 1: should I ask you? Guys know it was Melinda Leslie

5:20 Speaker 1: and a friend of my named Ali, And so the

5:23 Speaker 1: next morning we're standing in line and he texts and

5:26 Speaker 1: he's open to hearing questions, So we actually texted in

5:30 Speaker 1: the questions that he asked Lou. And the first question

5:33 Speaker 1: that he asked about if you and I were in

5:35 Speaker 1: a classified surrounding, could you convince me of UFOs? That's paraphrased,

5:40 Speaker 1: and Lucid well, that wouldn't be my decision. And so

5:43 Speaker 1: we're in the back of the room just it's Danny,

5:46 Speaker 1: she and me, Melinda, Leslie and Ali, and she's the one.

5:51 Speaker 4: With the text. And so Linda hands Danny a note

5:53 Speaker 4: and Danny nods, and on the note it says, ask

5:56 Speaker 4: him about Lockheed of Big Low Aerospace. So that's when

6:01 Speaker 4: we texted that question to Burleson. He looked at his

6:03 Speaker 4: phone and he said, what.

6:04 Speaker 1: About materials being passed from Lockheed to Big Little Aerospace

6:07 Speaker 1: at the CIA supposedly shut down. That was us sending

6:11 Speaker 1: questions in real time in the middle of a congressional hearing.

6:15 Speaker 4: And this is not I'm not making this up.

6:17 Speaker 1: I can prove it because we have the texts and

6:19 Speaker 1: and it's it's just an amazing thing to have happened.

6:23 Speaker 4: And I joked around with Lou. I said, look, man,

6:25 Speaker 4: I went from the back of the room through a

6:29 Speaker 4: sitting congressman and I got another accidental truth out of you.

6:32 Speaker 4: And that's somewhat amusing and a little bit scary.

6:38 Speaker 6: Well so, and that's a great point to start on,

6:43 Speaker 6: I think. And by the way, that's where I met you.

6:46 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, we met the first time.

6:49 Speaker 6: Yeah, and I met with Melinda and I was texting

6:52 Speaker 6: with Ali and because that's I was with Bassett and

6:56 Speaker 6: Sallas and we were in line trying to get everyone over.

6:59 Speaker 6: So not only do I know that you three were

7:02 Speaker 6: there and I can corroborate that, but I also know

7:05 Speaker 6: Eric and he told me a similar story didn't use names.

7:10 Speaker 7: So everything you just said.

7:12 Speaker 6: And by the way, so you know Jeremy Corbel and

7:17 Speaker 6: George Knapp for everything that as divisive as as they are,

7:23 Speaker 6: I guess in the community, not so much George, but Corbell.

7:27 Speaker 6: They did have him, uh Lakatski on the show and

7:32 Speaker 6: he talked about how a SAP, yeah, how all SAP

7:36 Speaker 6: did have access to a craft they breached it and

7:42 Speaker 6: that he would lie to Congress under oath.

7:44 Speaker 7: What do you what do you think about that?

7:46 Speaker 4: I think it's totally true.

7:48 Speaker 1: You know that scene in Accidental Truth where George Knap's

7:50 Speaker 1: eyes go absolutely nuts when he's side stepping the materials case.

7:54 Speaker 4: That's uh.

7:55 Speaker 1: I mean, that's worth the price of admission by itself,

7:58 Speaker 1: just to watch the film. And it's interesting because I

8:03 Speaker 1: asked George Nap if I could use that clip, and

8:05 Speaker 1: I tried to license it to you next star, and

8:07 Speaker 1: everybody said no, no, no, no no, And I actually

8:11 Speaker 1: hired a fair use attorney and used a clip anyway,

8:15 Speaker 1: And you know, I pretty much figured George was gonna

8:18 Speaker 1: cut off my head the next time he saw me.

8:20 Speaker 1: But he showed up at Alien Con and him and

8:24 Speaker 1: Jeremy and I sat at a table and had some

8:26 Speaker 1: small talk, and then he came over and bought an

8:27 Speaker 1: accidental True T shirt. So I guess that phrase is

8:31 Speaker 1: better to ask for forgiveness and permission. That's a classic example.

8:35 Speaker 1: And my hat's off to George for all the work

8:37 Speaker 1: he's doing. And Jeremy has established himself in the field

8:41 Speaker 1: by doing real, genuine work, and my hat's off to

8:45 Speaker 1: him too.

8:45 Speaker 6: So yeah, again, you know what we need in this

8:48 Speaker 6: community is is is more togetherness. We need to understand

8:55 Speaker 6: that united, we're always going to be stronger than faction.

9:00 Speaker 6: That is what they you know, quote the quote unquote

9:04 Speaker 6: Deep State or whoever's pulling the strings. Clearly they want

9:08 Speaker 6: us divided. It's in every facet of life and society,

9:14 Speaker 6: whether it's religion, race, creed. And then you get into

9:19 Speaker 6: something that you all have mutualities for and you're factionalized there.

9:24 Speaker 1: So, you know, the UFO community especially has there has

9:27 Speaker 1: been a divide and conquer attitude among people that have

9:31 Speaker 1: infiltrated the groups. And you know there's people out there

9:33 Speaker 1: that say, oh, well, MoveOn's infiltrated. Well, you know, yeah, probably.

9:38 Speaker 1: I mean, are there people keeping an eye on what

9:40 Speaker 1: mofon does from the deep programs? Of course there are.

9:45 Speaker 1: But is there anything bad about that? Probably not, because

9:48 Speaker 1: it's to be expected. If they weren't watching what we're

9:50 Speaker 1: doing and hacking our database and doing all these other things, Uh,

9:54 Speaker 1: then we wouldn't be interesting.

9:56 Speaker 4: We wouldn't be doing our job.

9:59 Speaker 6: And you probably would and be doing the So if

10:02 Speaker 6: you're being tracked and monitored, you're probably on the right track.

10:06 Speaker 1: Exactly. Yeah, that's that's what I think. You know, I

10:09 Speaker 1: think the days of you know, they're going to kill

10:11 Speaker 1: you if you if you find out the secrets. I mean, look,

10:14 Speaker 1: we already know the secrets. I spilled the beans in

10:16 Speaker 1: accidental truth. I'm going to spill the beans even more

10:19 Speaker 1: in the sequel, which is coming out in the spring,

10:21 Speaker 1: and we're.

10:22 Speaker 4: All spilling the beans.

10:23 Speaker 1: We all know what's going on, and they can't even

10:28 Speaker 1: deny it. I mean the Pentagon officially is still denying it.

10:32 Speaker 1: Susan Guff is the spokesperson, and she that she comes

10:35 Speaker 1: out and just rolls out these denials, and I mean

10:39 Speaker 1: it's laughable what she does. But they can't deny it anymore.

10:45 Speaker 1: And at some point they're going to quit trying.

10:48 Speaker 6: Yeah, it's it's kind of criminal in a way. It's

10:51 Speaker 6: because if we find out, you know, God God forbid

10:55 Speaker 6: in the next you know, one to three years, that

11:00 Speaker 6: not only do they have this technology, but they've had

11:03 Speaker 6: the ability for you know, free energy, chores to disease.

11:07 Speaker 6: You know, I lost my mom to cancer. You know,

11:11 Speaker 6: in twenty twenty one. You know, there are going to

11:14 Speaker 6: be things that have to be answered for, and it's

11:16 Speaker 6: not going to get easier the longer you wait, it's

11:20 Speaker 6: going to get harder. So that's why I believe that

11:24 Speaker 6: they are. That's at least one facet to why I

11:28 Speaker 6: think some sort of controlled disclosure is in fact underway.

11:33 Speaker 7: It is now, but.

11:35 Speaker 1: There's so much to it, Tyler. It's like it's a

11:38 Speaker 1: really complicated topic and what's going on in Washington, DC.

11:42 Speaker 1: You know, I work with Danny Sheen and in the

11:44 Speaker 1: New Paradigm Institute and them and move on. We're starting

11:48 Speaker 1: to cooperate.

11:49 Speaker 4: In the name of that kind of cooperation that you

11:51 Speaker 4: talked about.

11:52 Speaker 1: We did a press conference right after the hearing and

11:55 Speaker 1: announced to the world that there was going to be

11:57 Speaker 1: some ways that we find to cross paths and help

11:59 Speaker 1: each other. And so I hope it sets the stage

12:02 Speaker 1: for a united UFO community so that we can because

12:06 Speaker 1: there's strengthened numbers and if we're if we're in fighting,

12:08 Speaker 1: we're not uniting and we're not getting the job done.

12:11 Speaker 4: We're just bickering.

12:12 Speaker 1: And so you know, for me, that's that's just totally counterproductive.

12:16 Speaker 1: And so I've you know, I've done what I can,

12:19 Speaker 1: uh but by do by taking on the job as

12:22 Speaker 1: Moufon's media relations director, I've done a lot of work

12:25 Speaker 1: to help them with with inside the organization, the way

12:29 Speaker 1: we face the public, what we offer, how we do it,

12:33 Speaker 1: and then also you know, outreach to other groups, in

12:36 Speaker 1: cooperation with other groups.

12:37 Speaker 4: To bring us all together.

12:39 Speaker 1: And so people have their opinions about Moufons certainly, but

12:44 Speaker 1: you know, it's a it's a new organization and we're

12:46 Speaker 1: still the biggest and the oldest and we're doing the

12:48 Speaker 1: most work with the most members.

12:50 Speaker 4: And the most resources. So I know why I went on,

12:54 Speaker 4: We're going to talk about that later, but and we can.

12:58 Speaker 6: Yeah, well, so, well, let's I want to ask with

13:02 Speaker 6: with with recent congressional hearings and whistleblowers stepping forward, do

13:09 Speaker 6: you believe that we're closer to a full UFO disclosure.

13:15 Speaker 1: I believe we're never going to get the entire truth

13:18 Speaker 1: laid out in a book like that we can prove the.

13:23 Speaker 4: Problem is it's multifaceted.

13:26 Speaker 1: And I'm not the only one to speak on this,

13:27 Speaker 1: and it might even be old news, but we're dealing

13:30 Speaker 1: with a situation where, you know, these guys did some

13:33 Speaker 1: illegal stuff, and they did some things that were bordering

13:36 Speaker 1: on a crime against humanity. The way they sequestered this technology,

13:40 Speaker 1: pourted it off to private industry, and capitalized on it

13:44 Speaker 1: at the expense of humanity. You know, a lot of

13:47 Speaker 1: these discoveries could have changed everything. And so when they

13:51 Speaker 1: decided to implement this secrecy, the people that got control

13:54 Speaker 1: of that secret it did some pretty bad things to

13:57 Speaker 1: keep it. People were killed, all kinds of things happen,

14:01 Speaker 1: and they can never ever take accountability for that. And

14:04 Speaker 1: so the next best thing is is to whitewash it

14:09 Speaker 1: and come out with this whole thing. In twenty seventeen,

14:11 Speaker 1: which in Accidental Truth, which people can see for free

14:14 Speaker 1: now on Amazon and YouTube and stuff, we showed how

14:20 Speaker 1: they did this and basically created a whole new narrative

14:25 Speaker 1: that wiped out the whole past of the UFO cover

14:28 Speaker 1: up and made it seem like it's this new thing.

14:31 Speaker 1: And that's how they can absolve themselves of the sins

14:34 Speaker 1: of the past and still come out and close that

14:37 Speaker 1: we're not alone and they're running out of time if

14:40 Speaker 1: they don't do it. You know, sooner or later, SpaceX

14:43 Speaker 1: is going to land on Mars and right on top

14:46 Speaker 1: of the pyramid or whatever. The web telescope is supposedly

14:51 Speaker 1: seeing lights on distant planets. They can't hide it much

14:55 Speaker 1: longer because technology is making it impossible to conceal.

15:00 Speaker 6: Have wondered, if you know, you bring up the James

15:03 Speaker 6: Web Space telescope, something that's been thrown around a lot lately,

15:09 Speaker 6: is could it when it came online? Did they see

15:15 Speaker 6: something or confirm something? And that is kind of why,

15:20 Speaker 6: like something's heading our way and they know, you know,

15:23 Speaker 6: due to calculations of trajectory just the same way they

15:26 Speaker 6: would do it with an asteroid, you know, the minute

15:28 Speaker 6: it will arrive, So they have until X time to

15:32 Speaker 6: get us prepared. Do you think that could be possible.

15:36 Speaker 6: I'm not saying that rumor was.

15:38 Speaker 1: Going around a few months ago. And there's there's all

15:40 Speaker 1: kinds of rumors about the web telescope. There's all kinds

15:43 Speaker 1: of rumors about impending events. They usually don't track. And

15:48 Speaker 1: I do have the ability to ask these questions inside

15:52 Speaker 1: of DC and inside of the intelligence community and get

15:55 Speaker 1: some sort of neither confirmed or does deny answers, and

16:00 Speaker 1: and those pretty much have not happened. Now, detecting signals

16:06 Speaker 1: and detecting lights and things like that, it's only a

16:09 Speaker 1: matter of time until that telescope shows us something definitive.

16:12 Speaker 1: They've already found planets that have chemical signs of life.

16:16 Speaker 1: You know, they found life on Mars in nineteen seventy six,

16:19 Speaker 1: and they changed the parameters of the test to make

16:22 Speaker 1: it so that it it wasn't considered life. And the

16:26 Speaker 1: guy that designed the test, to this day, his name's Gil.

16:30 Speaker 1: I can't remember his last name, but to this day

16:32 Speaker 1: he is crusading to have those tests certified. So, and

16:38 Speaker 1: you know, NASA's got a huge track record of covering

16:41 Speaker 1: stuff up. And when I was in DC, I was

16:43 Speaker 1: let in on some other weird things that seemed to

16:45 Speaker 1: be happening at NASA.

16:47 Speaker 4: They're redoing the.

16:48 Speaker 1: Library, and there's a rumor that there's a lot of

16:52 Speaker 1: stuff that's going in the trash and so, you know,

16:55 Speaker 1: being destroyed, hard drives and documents being destroyed as the

17:00 Speaker 1: redo this library, which could be perfectly logical, it's just

17:03 Speaker 1: stuff they don't need anymore. But there's other people that

17:06 Speaker 1: think there's something nefarious about destroying anything that's part of

17:10 Speaker 1: NASA's records.

17:13 Speaker 6: Especially when you have critical moments that shows something weird

17:20 Speaker 6: and then the footage is just mysteriously disappears, or that

17:24 Speaker 6: one section is cut out and that's the only part

17:28 Speaker 6: that's gone, is the one part that is being requested, right.

17:33 Speaker 7: It starts to make you wonder, Yeah.

17:36 Speaker 1: Well, I mean it makes you wonder who's that familiar

17:38 Speaker 1: with the records that they can do that in the

17:39 Speaker 1: first place, and and how are they doing it? Because

17:43 Speaker 1: these poor guys at JPL, you know, I've I've met

17:46 Speaker 1: some of them, I've been there and they when like

17:48 Speaker 1: when Curiosity landed on Mars and they were there and

17:51 Speaker 1: that you know, they're celebrating because the whole landing thing worked.

17:55 Speaker 1: These people genuinely believe they're getting those images straight from Mars.

17:58 Speaker 1: They they they if you tell them that those images

18:01 Speaker 1: and those feeds are being intercepted by private industry people

18:05 Speaker 1: whose job it is to filter out anything that that

18:08 Speaker 1: could be be deemed to be classified, that they'd laugh

18:12 Speaker 1: at you, to be like that, that's not true, that's

18:14 Speaker 1: not happening, But of course it is. And and we've

18:17 Speaker 1: been able to establish that over time that there are

18:21 Speaker 1: you know, the whole method of delivering these images is

18:24 Speaker 1: put through what is most certainly a clandestine third party

18:28 Speaker 1: whose job it is to edit it. And so there

18:32 Speaker 1: are folks that think they're really doing something and you know,

18:37 Speaker 1: best of intentions, but I'm not sure they're doing We.

18:39 Speaker 6: Know, we know that they recently got caught that that

18:45 Speaker 6: the all the pictures of Mars are intentionally like turned

18:51 Speaker 6: more orange.

18:52 Speaker 1: Yeah, well you know that has has something of an

18:57 Speaker 1: atmosphere and and and often resembles blue sky.

19:01 Speaker 6: Yeah, so I thought that was pretty telling. So and

19:05 Speaker 6: if they were if they're willing to do that, you know,

19:08 Speaker 6: what else are they willing to do? And I think

19:12 Speaker 6: that's the question that everybody should ask.

19:15 Speaker 1: You know, it's been going on forever and I don't

19:18 Speaker 1: know you were at the hearing when when mister Gold

19:21 Speaker 1: was talking about NASA, and people tell me that this

19:25 Speaker 1: shows up on the replay when when mister from c

19:28 Speaker 1: Span when mister Gold was talking about NASA and he

19:30 Speaker 1: said it's the most transparent organization and all this kind

19:33 Speaker 1: of stuff. If you heard that breakout laugh in the

19:36 Speaker 1: back of the room, that was me. I couldn't contain

19:39 Speaker 1: myself and everybody turned.

19:40 Speaker 8: Around, but I just like, I just remember it was.

19:46 Speaker 4: It was the craziest, stupidest thing I ever heard.

19:49 Speaker 7: Yeah, oh my god.

19:54 Speaker 4: I couldn't contain myself.

19:55 Speaker 1: So at those hearings I became part of history in

19:57 Speaker 1: two different ways.

19:58 Speaker 4: It's just a question. And I personally added to the soundtrack.

20:03 Speaker 6: Well that moment that yeah, that that that was like

20:07 Speaker 6: I said, it was that moment. That question, to lou

20:10 Speaker 6: Is is what I was begging to be asked. And

20:13 Speaker 6: I mean, I'm so glad it got through because it

20:17 Speaker 6: it it humbles me.

20:19 Speaker 7: But nonetheless so.

20:22 Speaker 1: Here's what's cool about that. He didn't mean to acknowledge that,

20:27 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, it's like I'm not I've never

20:30 Speaker 1: played gotcha with these guys.

20:31 Speaker 4: You know.

20:31 Speaker 1: It's like, I'm not that guy that's trying to get

20:34 Speaker 1: them to misspeak. I'm just good at asking questions. And

20:37 Speaker 1: and you know it, when my first interview was Lou,

20:40 Speaker 1: he accidentally admitted quite a bit that's in the film

20:43 Speaker 1: that he still hasn't admitted publicly, and it's been a

20:45 Speaker 1: couple of years since we did it. But you know,

20:48 Speaker 1: it's to say it's it's the same thing with the

20:51 Speaker 1: with the Bigelow thing. We all know what was really

20:54 Speaker 1: going on at Bigelow Aerospace and and we know where

20:58 Speaker 1: the materials was. We know locked had it, but he

21:02 Speaker 1: did not mean to reveal that. It was just like

21:04 Speaker 1: because he tried to walk it back a little bit later.

21:07 Speaker 1: And you know, it's not like I've talked to Lou

21:10 Speaker 1: about this. Him and I do have communication and so

21:12 Speaker 1: it's not like we're at odds. But we definitely got

21:16 Speaker 1: him with that one.

21:17 Speaker 6: And I think that's our job, and someone like someone

21:22 Speaker 6: like him should knows that. I mean, listen, you come

21:25 Speaker 6: lou I mean, you have a counter intelligence background. It's

21:30 Speaker 6: our job to get you to slip up if we

21:31 Speaker 6: want any information.

21:33 Speaker 1: So look, lou Is, in my opinion, and he has

21:36 Speaker 1: not denied this. He's still doing his role in this,

21:39 Speaker 1: and it's a predetermined role, being governed by the puppet masters.

21:43 Speaker 1: And he's doing his job, and he considers that to

21:46 Speaker 1: be a thing of integrity and a thing of honor

21:48 Speaker 1: and duty to the to the service that he serves.

21:52 Speaker 1: And what can you say about that? You know, It's

21:54 Speaker 1: like in the first section of Accidental Truth, I'm talking

21:58 Speaker 1: about you know, Hey, I'm interviewing guys that have interrogated terrorists,

22:02 Speaker 1: and all I can think about is getting him to

22:03 Speaker 1: tell me something they don't want me to know. It's

22:07 Speaker 1: a war, you know. And at first I was really

22:11 Speaker 1: resentful of these people. You know, and you have probably

22:15 Speaker 1: experienced this. You know what it's like to sit in

22:17 Speaker 1: a room you're five feet away from a guy who

22:20 Speaker 1: knows the stuff that you've been fighting your whole life

22:23 Speaker 1: to find out and share and.

22:25 Speaker 4: He's not going to tell you.

22:27 Speaker 1: And and you know, there's a certain amount of frustration

22:29 Speaker 1: that comes with that. But over time, Tyler in making

22:33 Speaker 1: the film and getting to know these people and understanding

22:36 Speaker 1: the position that they're in.

22:39 Speaker 4: I don't have that anger and resentment anymore. I have.

22:42 Speaker 1: I have a lot of respect and I feel sorry

22:44 Speaker 1: for them in so many ways because they're trapped.

22:49 Speaker 7: Right, burdened with knowledge.

22:52 Speaker 1: Yeah, in the next Accidental Truth movie we're talking about it,

22:55 Speaker 1: I call them the men in a Box because they're

22:58 Speaker 1: in a box. James Fox and the and his new

23:00 Speaker 1: film kind of touches on it with how put off?

23:02 Speaker 4: How you know?

23:03 Speaker 1: What are we supposed to do? You know, I can't

23:05 Speaker 1: unless I can come, unless I can land the craft

23:07 Speaker 1: on the White House lawn. I can't go tell people

23:09 Speaker 1: everything I know because they'll just deny it and then

23:13 Speaker 1: they'll destroy me for doing it. And so can you

23:16 Speaker 1: imagine what that's like to that to live your life

23:18 Speaker 1: with these things that you can't tell anybody. You can't

23:21 Speaker 1: tell your wife, you can't tell your girlfriend, you can't

23:24 Speaker 1: tell the public, and and and that's that. That's your

23:28 Speaker 1: So you really are your craft, and it's it's not

23:32 Speaker 1: a comfortable place to be loose as that in my movie.

23:36 Speaker 6: Yeah, I can't imagine being a puppet for something bigger

23:41 Speaker 6: you know, regardless whether it's it's dignity, dignity or you

23:47 Speaker 6: know your your your duty to nation uh and your

23:51 Speaker 6: pride and your nationality or you know, nationalism that drives you,

23:56 Speaker 6: or the safety of others, whatever drives you.

23:59 Speaker 7: I mean, does that outweigh the information?

24:03 Speaker 8: Is that?

24:04 Speaker 6: I mean, where do we cross the line? What crosses

24:08 Speaker 6: the line, and what is ultimately too much? And I

24:12 Speaker 6: think I think it's gone too far and I think

24:14 Speaker 6: it's a little bit too much.

24:16 Speaker 7: Now, well, you know, I.

24:17 Speaker 1: Made an observation and I'll share it with you and

24:19 Speaker 1: you can tell me what you think. Remember when this

24:22 Speaker 1: was first unfolding and we had the first hearings and

24:25 Speaker 1: Marco Rubio was a very very outspoken guy on this topic.

24:30 Speaker 1: But then something happened, And I've got this theory that

24:34 Speaker 1: says it's a lot easier to get somebody to agree

24:37 Speaker 1: to keep a secret because they understand why it has

24:40 Speaker 1: to be a secret than it is to force somebody

24:43 Speaker 1: to keep a secret if they don't agree that it

24:45 Speaker 1: should be kept.

24:47 Speaker 4: Are you with me so far?

24:48 Speaker 7: Absolutely?

24:50 Speaker 4: So here's Rubio, I mean, he was the crusader for

24:52 Speaker 4: UFO secrecy. Then we have these hearings.

24:54 Speaker 1: Then we have that classified briefing and he comes out

24:57 Speaker 1: and he almost never spoke about it again. And that's very,

25:02 Speaker 1: very telling to me because I think that there's a

25:06 Speaker 1: there's a lot of reasons why this is being kept

25:09 Speaker 1: from humanity, but some of them are existential and and

25:14 Speaker 1: when you understand that that it really it's going to

25:18 Speaker 1: affect the way we perceive our own reality. It's going

25:20 Speaker 1: to change everything if we understand what's the total of

25:24 Speaker 1: what's happening, and it's literally very scary and it will

25:29 Speaker 1: disrupt civilization as we know it.

25:32 Speaker 6: So, but do you think it would like because what

25:35 Speaker 6: they I feel like, what they think and how they

25:37 Speaker 6: justify it. By they, I mean the people in this

25:40 Speaker 6: program or these programs. Do you really think it would

25:44 Speaker 6: be catastrophic in the fact that or would it just

25:48 Speaker 6: be a weekend where everyone like just take take the

25:51 Speaker 6: weekend off world and come to grips with the new reality.

25:56 Speaker 1: Uh, it's gonna it's gonna be worse than that, because

26:00 Speaker 1: you know, even if there I'm not saying that there's

26:02 Speaker 1: a threat from non human intelligence directly threatening humanity. I'm

26:06 Speaker 1: saying that their existence and the other information that comes

26:11 Speaker 1: with us understanding what they are and where they come

26:14 Speaker 1: from is something that is going to make every single

26:17 Speaker 1: person on this planet have to rethink everything. And it

26:21 Speaker 1: goes all the way from you know, spirituality and all

26:25 Speaker 1: the different ways that we perceive non human intelligence through

26:27 Speaker 1: traditional religion, all the way to the fact that we

26:32 Speaker 1: are absolutely helpless to whatever these things want from us,

26:35 Speaker 1: to the fact that our reality is not what we

26:38 Speaker 1: think it is.

26:39 Speaker 4: We are not what we think we are.

26:42 Speaker 1: And that's where it just falls into a whole deep

26:47 Speaker 1: chasm that people are not easily going to be able

26:50 Speaker 1: to just get out of.

26:55 Speaker 6: And that's what's you know, I guess I do feel that,

27:00 Speaker 6: and I do understand that there are people in this

27:03 Speaker 6: world that, no matter what, they're just going to want

27:06 Speaker 6: to pretend that this is demonic or it's it's bad

27:10 Speaker 6: and you know, it's the end of the world and whatever.

27:14 Speaker 1: Well, there is that angle of people, and you know,

27:17 Speaker 1: lou talks about how he ran into that in the

27:19 Speaker 1: Pentagon and there was you know, a lot of opposition.

27:23 Speaker 4: But here's the thing. Every time I get in these these.

27:27 Speaker 1: Discussions with people that are you know, traditionally religious, it

27:31 Speaker 1: just insists it's demons and angels and that's it, and

27:33 Speaker 1: there's no aliens. Blah blah blah blah blah. I'm like, look,

27:38 Speaker 1: I am willing to acknowledge to you that what you're

27:41 Speaker 1: saying is quite possible, even probable, But the fact that

27:44 Speaker 1: you say it is an exclusive answer to this is

27:49 Speaker 1: not at all logical or fair in this conversation. So

27:54 Speaker 1: the people that have that belief, I choose not to

27:58 Speaker 1: challenge them for having that belief. But what I do

28:00 Speaker 1: challenge him for is not being willing to look at

28:03 Speaker 1: the fact that there's probably more to it as well.

28:07 Speaker 6: And that's the thing we need to realize is that

28:11 Speaker 6: I do think that's absolutely right we're dealing with there.

28:15 Speaker 7: You know, there's a reason we call it the phenomena.

28:19 Speaker 7: It's it's multiple, it's not just one thing, and.

28:22 Speaker 6: You can't just categorize it into this box and say, yep,

28:28 Speaker 6: you know this is what we got going on. It's

28:30 Speaker 6: the U and UFO it means unidentified, right, But people

28:35 Speaker 6: jump to the little green man or the classic great

28:38 Speaker 6: alien and they try to rationalize it in their head and.

28:41 Speaker 7: And look at it through a human lens. I think

28:44 Speaker 7: that's our problem.

28:46 Speaker 1: Well, you know, you almost had it right there, Tyler,

28:48 Speaker 1: because the the U and UFO is you and that's

28:53 Speaker 1: that's that that is the key to the puzzle.

28:59 Speaker 7: So are you talking about consciousness or.

29:02 Speaker 4: Talking about consciousness? Nature of reality?

29:04 Speaker 1: Could subjective reality versus consensus reality?

29:08 Speaker 4: Right? Perceptions?

29:09 Speaker 1: I mean, this is not about gray men from Andromeda

29:15 Speaker 1: or whatever you want to say. It's not about The

29:17 Speaker 1: argument is not about rather they're from Zeta reticular, or

29:21 Speaker 1: they live inside the Earth or their interdimensional those are

29:25 Speaker 1: we're asking the wrong questions. The right question is what

29:29 Speaker 1: is this telling us about our overall existence? And that

29:34 Speaker 1: is you know, in some ways, if the only purpose

29:37 Speaker 1: they're serving in our reality is to open our eyes

29:42 Speaker 1: to this, then that might be enough.

29:45 Speaker 6: Well, during the making of the documentary Accidental Truths, you know,

29:50 Speaker 6: were there any interviews or say, pieces of evidence that

29:55 Speaker 6: you know completely changed your perspective on UFOs and who

29:59 Speaker 6: have or pilots them?

30:03 Speaker 1: No, not really, because I've always kind of had my

30:06 Speaker 1: own perceptions about what it is. Now did I get

30:09 Speaker 1: confirmation that, you know, obviously this stuff is real.

30:13 Speaker 9: Uh.

30:14 Speaker 4: The thing that's the hardest about doing this is you're undoubtedly.

30:17 Speaker 1: Pulled aside off camera and told things that you can't

30:20 Speaker 1: say say you know, and it's like, it's frustrating because

30:25 Speaker 1: I'm not going to play that game. If you're gonna

30:28 Speaker 1: tell me something, especially if I got a fair and

30:31 Speaker 1: square it's my job, it's move On's job to share

30:34 Speaker 1: it with the world. So don't pull me into a

30:36 Speaker 1: corner and ask me to become part of your cover up.

30:38 Speaker 1: I'm not doing it. So but you know that being said, yeah,

30:43 Speaker 1: I've been told some things and I've tried to share

30:46 Speaker 1: them as much as I can. There are situations where

30:49 Speaker 1: you know, you can't say somebody told you that because

30:51 Speaker 1: you might get them in trouble. But I would say

30:54 Speaker 1: the biggest thing that happened to the making of Accidental

30:56 Speaker 1: Truth was the absolute confirmation. You know, you start you

30:59 Speaker 1: start meering down a path wonder with an open mind

31:03 Speaker 1: about where it takes you, and it inevitably takes you

31:06 Speaker 1: to these places where you were right all along. And

31:11 Speaker 1: so the confirmation of this stuff was the biggest right.

31:16 Speaker 7: And that I really did love the Did you edit

31:22 Speaker 7: the film as well?

31:23 Speaker 1: You know that if you look at a lot of

31:25 Speaker 1: movies there there's credits at the end, there's like me

31:28 Speaker 1: in a couple of most everybody else was executive producers.

31:31 Speaker 4: They didn't do anything except watch it and get me feedback.

31:34 Speaker 1: So it was me and a couple guys that helped

31:36 Speaker 1: me animate it from Ukraine and a couple camera assistance.

31:39 Speaker 1: But yeah, I went around. I got all the interviews.

31:42 Speaker 1: I travel all over for years collecting them. I wrote

31:45 Speaker 1: the movie, I edited the movie. I did the special effects,

31:48 Speaker 1: I did the music. I did the sound it can

31:51 Speaker 1: music mostly, but I did everything. I did the whole

31:53 Speaker 1: thing wow, completely by myself.

31:56 Speaker 6: Because I really liked the editing style. I like, I

32:00 Speaker 6: really enjoyed the flow of the movie. You know, first act,

32:05 Speaker 6: second act, third act, crescendos.

32:08 Speaker 7: You know, a twist.

32:09 Speaker 6: Uh, you know, it had all it had everything that

32:13 Speaker 6: a film should have. And I was really, really I

32:17 Speaker 6: was surprised because going in, you know, someone working with Mofon,

32:23 Speaker 6: you know you're you're you're kind of expecting one thing.

32:25 Speaker 6: So did your role at mofon or does your role

32:31 Speaker 6: at Moufon limit you in any way when filmmaking or

32:34 Speaker 6: does it help you? No?

32:36 Speaker 1: You know, the way I got into the whole Movefon

32:38 Speaker 1: thing was I started moof on television and I did

32:42 Speaker 1: that as a co venture with Mofon. It came forth

32:45 Speaker 1: from a conversation I had with himI Maussan.

32:48 Speaker 4: I was backstage. Paula Harris hired.

32:50 Speaker 1: Me to m C one of her Nevada conferences, and

32:54 Speaker 1: so I was the host and we were backstage and

32:57 Speaker 1: the former director of Moufon and Himie was sitting there

33:00 Speaker 1: and himI had a laptop and he was streaming Paula's

33:03 Speaker 1: conference to Mexico and he said something to the director

33:07 Speaker 1: and he says.

33:08 Speaker 4: Well, yeah, you guys should do something like this.

33:10 Speaker 1: And he says, I have a whole online TV channel

33:13 Speaker 1: down in Mexico.

33:14 Speaker 4: And I'm like, yeah, you guys should do something like that.

33:16 Speaker 10: So I went upstairs and I registered mof on Television

33:20 Speaker 10: dot com and I'm negotiating a joint venture and now

33:23 Speaker 10: we have mouf On TV, which is I own half

33:26 Speaker 10: of it and move On owns half of it.

33:28 Speaker 4: And then when leadership changed, they offered me the official

33:32 Speaker 4: role as media relations director, and so I get to

33:37 Speaker 4: work on all the shows because I'm the guy if

33:39 Speaker 4: you want.

33:39 Speaker 1: To use moufon footage or you're looking for somebody inside

33:42 Speaker 1: of mofon to interview you then the people from ancient Aliens.

33:45 Speaker 1: The proof is out there, the unexplained. I work with

33:47 Speaker 1: all these people to make that.

33:49 Speaker 4: Happen so fail. Yeah, so it's really cool.

33:52 Speaker 1: I get to do all the contracts and I get

33:53 Speaker 1: to be behind the scenes on all these shows and

33:56 Speaker 1: that's really exciting. But yeah, but I did actually truth,

34:00 Speaker 1: you know, if they call it in a tour, I did.

34:02 Speaker 1: I literally did everything.

34:05 Speaker 7: Yeah, it was like I said, it was. It blew

34:07 Speaker 7: me away.

34:08 Speaker 6: And it's it's just how much information is given and

34:14 Speaker 6: you know, a limited timeframe because a documentary is a documentary, right,

34:20 Speaker 6: you only have you know, so much time where you

34:23 Speaker 6: can deliver on and as the amount of information you

34:26 Speaker 6: packed into it was that was amazing.

34:29 Speaker 4: You know.

34:29 Speaker 1: It's a real challenge to do that because we're dealing

34:32 Speaker 1: with two different factors at play in modern productions. Is like, first,

34:38 Speaker 1: we have short attention span theater. Half the audience can't

34:41 Speaker 1: pay attention to something more than a.

34:42 Speaker 4: Couple of minutes.

34:43 Speaker 1: And like, you know, I had that thing where every

34:45 Speaker 1: once in a while it would just cut to black

34:46 Speaker 1: and there'd be a little ding like from Law and

34:48 Speaker 1: Order or something. I had to put that in to

34:51 Speaker 1: break up the film and just give people just a

34:53 Speaker 1: second to absorb what they just watched, because without it,

34:56 Speaker 1: it just flowed into things, the thing, the thing. It

34:58 Speaker 1: just didn't give you a chance to cat at your breath,

35:01 Speaker 1: and so I've been criticized for that. I don't know

35:03 Speaker 1: if I'm using it exactly the same in the new one,

35:06 Speaker 1: but when there's a poignant moment, you just have to

35:10 Speaker 1: That's what I came up with, to let it sink in,

35:12 Speaker 1: Because you're right, the film unfolds a lot. And I'll

35:17 Speaker 1: tell you something, the more you watch it, the more

35:19 Speaker 1: layers it has to it.

35:21 Speaker 6: That's why I found myself in rewatch going, Oh I

35:25 Speaker 6: didn't pick up on that last time.

35:27 Speaker 7: Oh I didn't see that. I didn't.

35:30 Speaker 6: Oh wow, that's very similar to something I just saw

35:33 Speaker 6: in a newer documentary. That's weird, you know. So I

35:37 Speaker 6: was making those those those connections. But I guess what

35:42 Speaker 6: what what first kind of sparked your interest in this?

35:46 Speaker 6: Everyone gets into the UFO world by some some category,

35:51 Speaker 6: you know, some event, whether it's a sighting or.

35:57 Speaker 7: You know, something weird happening. How did how did that happened?

36:00 Speaker 6: For you?

36:01 Speaker 4: Well?

36:01 Speaker 1: I'd always been kind of into the topic. You know,

36:03 Speaker 1: one more thing before I answer this question. Accidental Truth

36:07 Speaker 1: won twenty eight Film Festival awards. It's a record twenty

36:10 Speaker 1: eight actual awards, and it just stokes me that it

36:16 Speaker 1: did that. And now it's free. Anybody that wants to

36:19 Speaker 1: watch it can see it and work on the sequel.

36:21 Speaker 1: I invite everybody. It's free with Prime Now. YouTube Movies

36:25 Speaker 1: and TV picked it up and you can watch to

36:29 Speaker 1: be has it and you know, they pay decently, so

36:33 Speaker 1: it's like you can watch it for free and I

36:35 Speaker 1: still get a little something out of it. So you know,

36:37 Speaker 1: I encourage people, if you don't want to rent it

36:39 Speaker 1: for two or three blocks, to go watch it free.

36:42 Speaker 4: But please watch it because it really was groundbreaking.

36:45 Speaker 7: Yeah, I think so.

36:47 Speaker 1: Back to that question, and I'm glad you asked. I

36:52 Speaker 1: was always like an armchair guy. I was watching the

36:54 Speaker 1: shows on TV that i've Chariots of the Gods was

36:57 Speaker 1: one of the movies that shaped me is as a youngster.

37:01 Speaker 1: And I was in Sedona and I had Sedona Media Company,

37:06 Speaker 1: and I was just cranking out material, doing DVDs about

37:10 Speaker 1: New age stuff and conscious media and things like that.

37:13 Speaker 1: I had a studio there and Steve Bassett rolled into town.

37:16 Speaker 1: This was a circa two thousand and seven, maybe two

37:19 Speaker 1: thousand and six, and I met him and I interviewed him,

37:23 Speaker 1: and when he found out that I had a company

37:27 Speaker 1: that did live streaming and stuff like that, he asked

37:29 Speaker 1: me if i'd be interested in helping him with his

37:31 Speaker 1: ex conference.

37:33 Speaker 4: So that's what I did. The next year. I went

37:36 Speaker 4: out and did.

37:37 Speaker 1: Manage the live streaming and the cameras and everything at

37:40 Speaker 1: the National Press Club.

37:41 Speaker 4: Took my crew out there and we did we did.

37:45 Speaker 1: The ex conference, and all of a sudden, Tyler, I'm

37:48 Speaker 1: seeing all these guys that I'd watched on TV forever.

37:50 Speaker 1: It's like, well, there's Danton Friedman, There's Nick Pope, you know,

37:53 Speaker 1: and it's there's George Now And it was like, holy moly,

37:58 Speaker 1: I'm here with these guys. And then I got to,

38:00 Speaker 1: you know, meet them and I interviewed them, and it

38:04 Speaker 1: was just like wow, you know, I felt like I

38:07 Speaker 1: like that guy in that movie rock Star, the Want

38:09 Speaker 1: of You that got to be I was walking around

38:11 Speaker 1: these people that I had. You know, I can't say

38:15 Speaker 1: I idolized them, but I knew that they all were

38:17 Speaker 1: and I knew their material, and the moulten how I mean,

38:20 Speaker 1: whoa you know, and and they were all there, and

38:23 Speaker 1: I was the guy with the camera and so I

38:25 Speaker 1: had cart block and I interviewed everybody.

38:28 Speaker 4: And I've been doing that for years.

38:29 Speaker 1: I've got complete hard drives full of never before seen

38:34 Speaker 1: published interviews with the entire field of a lot of them.

38:39 Speaker 4: You know.

38:39 Speaker 1: It's like if I'm working on something and I'm like, oh,

38:44 Speaker 1: you know, I I sure could use some some Linda

38:47 Speaker 1: Moulton howe. Oh well, I've interviewed her like three times.

38:49 Speaker 1: Let's go find what we got and what we can use.

38:51 Speaker 1: And so I have these huge archives. But and it

38:56 Speaker 1: was at that conference that I realized, you know, holy,

38:59 Speaker 1: this is the biggest deception ever put on the face

39:01 Speaker 1: of humanity. And these people that are out here carrying

39:04 Speaker 1: this flag and trying to get people to understand what's

39:06 Speaker 1: going on, they really do know what's going on.

39:10 Speaker 4: Richard Dolan, I mean holy.

39:12 Speaker 1: When I met him the first time, I was just like, Wow,

39:14 Speaker 1: I've seen you on TV the times, and now he's

39:16 Speaker 1: my friend. And so that's what got me into it

39:19 Speaker 1: is that I went back after the ex conference and

39:23 Speaker 1: I made the Disclosure Dialogues with Jennifer Stein, who I met,

39:28 Speaker 1: who's still a dear friend, and we won the twenty

39:30 Speaker 1: twelve EBE Awards for that. We won People's Choice of

39:33 Speaker 1: Best Documentary, and that came with a five disc set

39:37 Speaker 1: that had all these interviews, and we had this idea

39:41 Speaker 1: of let's put these guys together in a room, let's

39:44 Speaker 1: sit down Steve Bassett and Danny she and videotape them

39:48 Speaker 1: having a conversation with each other. And so that became

39:51 Speaker 1: the Disclosure Dialogue set. That did pretty well. And so yeah,

39:57 Speaker 1: that's how it all progressed. I started to move on TV.

39:59 Speaker 1: I negotiat with mof on and then I built it

40:02 Speaker 1: and move on Television dot Com. Sorry to plug it.

40:06 Speaker 1: We'll about to roll out the new website. It's the

40:09 Speaker 1: it's the largest commercial, free, ad free archive of UFO material.

40:14 Speaker 1: There's like six or seven hundred videos on there. A

40:16 Speaker 1: lot of my original shows are on there that I

40:19 Speaker 1: that I make here at the studio. Yeah, old Moufon symposiums,

40:23 Speaker 1: New Moufon Symposiums, and just.

40:25 Speaker 4: A lot of other stuff, all without ads and pretty cool.

40:30 Speaker 7: Yeah, I think so.

40:31 Speaker 6: I think it's part of when people sign up for mofon.

40:36 Speaker 6: They can pay a little.

40:39 Speaker 1: Different membership levels, but if you join at anything above

40:42 Speaker 1: just the basic, you get move on TV for free,

40:45 Speaker 1: and you also get the live stream of the Moufon Symposium,

40:48 Speaker 1: which is normally you know, one hundred bucks, one and

40:50 Speaker 1: fifty dollars.

40:51 Speaker 4: So yeah, it's very cool.

40:52 Speaker 7: Yeah, there's people to check, I think definitely. Do you

40:56 Speaker 7: think that? Okay, so I'm gonna I'm gonna get back

41:00 Speaker 7: into this.

41:02 Speaker 6: So we kind of both talked about some sort of

41:05 Speaker 6: drip feeding of disclosure. In your opinion, what is the

41:13 Speaker 6: most explosive or shocking piece of evidence that's been inadvertently revealed?

41:22 Speaker 1: Wellens of what you mean by inadvertently, I don't think

41:25 Speaker 1: anything's been inadvertently revealed.

41:27 Speaker 4: I think it's all been purposely revealed.

41:30 Speaker 6: Well, like an accidental truth that maybe we shouldn't have

41:34 Speaker 6: have known. And I guess maybe that's a stupid question.

41:42 Speaker 1: Well, I think, like I said, I think it's all

41:44 Speaker 1: been guided. But I do think that when twenty seventeen happened,

41:47 Speaker 1: there is a certain there is truth to the fact

41:50 Speaker 1: that these you know, Chris Mellen was behind the scenes

41:53 Speaker 1: the story that Leslie Keane tells, and the story that

41:56 Speaker 1: Ralph Limenthal tells an accidental truth where they say this

41:59 Speaker 1: was no organized rollout.

42:01 Speaker 4: It happened serendipitously.

42:03 Speaker 1: Lou resigned and To the Stars Academy was formed, And

42:06 Speaker 1: the way Lou tells it in his book is how

42:08 Speaker 1: it happened. I'm not convinced that that it didn't happen

42:13 Speaker 1: a little bit more in cohesion, but you know, who's

42:18 Speaker 1: to tell.

42:19 Speaker 4: But the uh, I think the whole thing got a

42:22 Speaker 4: little bit off the rails.

42:23 Speaker 1: I think the public response was was was more than

42:26 Speaker 1: they anticipated. I think the political response was more than

42:31 Speaker 1: they anticipated, and I think they got very overwhelmed and

42:34 Speaker 1: immediately had to start trying to walk stuff back.

42:37 Speaker 4: And so yeah, we got that they were willing.

42:40 Speaker 1: To float a little bit of disclosure, but it got

42:44 Speaker 1: out of hand and we got a lot of disclosure.

42:47 Speaker 1: And I think that if anything, that's that's that's what

42:49 Speaker 1: has happened. Now. Granted, David Rush isn't testifying with a

42:53 Speaker 1: piece of a flying saucer, but what.

42:56 Speaker 4: He is doing is corroborating the story.

42:59 Speaker 1: And there's a guy, an XCIA guy that's fairly well

43:02 Speaker 1: known in the community. He pulled me aside of Contact

43:04 Speaker 1: in the Desert, right after Accidental Truth came out, and

43:07 Speaker 1: he said this to me, He said, your movie sent

43:10 Speaker 1: shockwaves through the intelligence community, and because of it, something

43:14 Speaker 1: very big is about to happen. And it was that

43:17 Speaker 1: next day, at the last day of Contact in the Desert,

43:20 Speaker 1: that David Grush came out and told his story.

43:23 Speaker 4: And all he did was corroborate holy shit, when the

43:27 Speaker 4: movie he did, and you know.

43:29 Speaker 1: He was clear to say these things. Now, was it

43:32 Speaker 1: a coincidence? I've been told that it was a bit

43:35 Speaker 1: of a coincidence because David Grush was vetted for over

43:37 Speaker 1: a year. I interviewed Ralph Blumenthal for the next movie

43:41 Speaker 1: and that There's been some people when I've said that

43:43 Speaker 1: have criticized me. But to all of you, I got

43:46 Speaker 1: this straight from the horse's mouth. Ralph Blumenthal broke the story.

43:50 Speaker 1: Ross Colthart broke the story on TV. Ralph Blumenthal and

43:53 Speaker 1: les like Keen broke it in the print.

43:56 Speaker 4: Yeahs, And this.

43:59 Speaker 1: Story was they were on it for a while, So

44:02 Speaker 1: the story was brewing before my movie came out. But

44:06 Speaker 1: him coming forward to corroborate what was in the film

44:10 Speaker 1: and getting the clearance to do. So the timing couldn't

44:13 Speaker 1: have been better. It happened like less than a month

44:15 Speaker 1: after the film came out.

44:17 Speaker 7: Yeah. I don't believe in coincidences. So that is very odd.

44:24 Speaker 7: That is very odd. But that's so. What do you think?

44:30 Speaker 6: Do you think that more whistleblowers will inevitably come forward?

44:36 Speaker 6: I don't because I don't like giving when people give predictions,

44:39 Speaker 6: like you know, like Greers out there right now doing it,

44:42 Speaker 6: and you know, I caution against it.

44:45 Speaker 8: I hope he is right.

44:46 Speaker 6: I hope. I hope some green Berets are about to

44:48 Speaker 6: come out and tell us everything, right, I really do.

44:51 Speaker 4: Well, here's here's the thing.

44:53 Speaker 1: I you know, I did this whistleblower video with AI

44:57 Speaker 1: and I put it out there and I think it's

44:59 Speaker 1: on move On's you two channel. But I also interviewed

45:02 Speaker 1: Kurson Gillibrand right after the New Arrow hearing, and I

45:05 Speaker 1: have her on camera.

45:06 Speaker 4: It's going to be in the new film. There's some

45:08 Speaker 4: things in the new film that are really going to

45:10 Speaker 4: blow people away.

45:11 Speaker 1: I have the only video ever made of me a

45:14 Speaker 1: UFO investigator briefing a sitting member of Congress in his

45:18 Speaker 1: office about the whole story.

45:19 Speaker 4: From Roswell forward.

45:20 Speaker 1: So for people that say, well, these guys don't even

45:22 Speaker 1: know what's going on, I can tell you they do

45:24 Speaker 1: because I've got pictures of me with up to I

45:27 Speaker 1: think it's getting close to ten Congress people sitting members

45:30 Speaker 1: of Congress with me in a photo. And I can

45:33 Speaker 1: promise everybody out there, they all have been told by

45:38 Speaker 1: me that story how it started basically with Roswell and

45:42 Speaker 1: all the cover ups and all and the way it

45:43 Speaker 1: all works. And certainly they've heard it from other people.

45:47 Speaker 1: But some of the other people that are telling him

45:49 Speaker 1: this stuff, they can't tell them. There's things lou Alizondo

45:53 Speaker 1: knows that he cannot sit in a room and say

45:56 Speaker 1: there's things that these guys know that unless the congresstional

46:00 Speaker 1: members are cleared, they can't tell them. But I can

46:03 Speaker 1: tell them. And and and there's a whole bunch of

46:07 Speaker 1: us that know this whole story. It's never been that

46:11 Speaker 1: good of a seat, that much of a well kept secret.

46:14 Speaker 1: There's always been somebody in the intelligence community that's leaked

46:19 Speaker 1: information to the UFO community. So anybody that's really rabid

46:25 Speaker 1: about getting the information, the information is out there.

46:28 Speaker 4: It's been handed to.

46:28 Speaker 1: Us for years, and so you know, to be able

46:32 Speaker 1: to brief members of Congress and and go there and

46:34 Speaker 1: actually do it, get into those offices.

46:38 Speaker 8: I went, so I know, I know that.

46:43 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean getting that kind of access, Tyler is

46:46 Speaker 1: absolutely It's it's hard. You really have to play the

46:50 Speaker 1: right game and they have to trust you. And and

46:52 Speaker 1: to have that many sitting members of Congress that I

46:55 Speaker 1: can talk to is huge.

46:57 Speaker 4: And you're having that happen to you. I told you

47:00 Speaker 4: about in between the.

47:01 Speaker 1: Hearings going to the pick up some crash retrieval debris,

47:06 Speaker 1: right and take it back and give it to Arrow.

47:09 Speaker 4: Yes, do you want to hear that story?

47:11 Speaker 7: I do? Please?

47:13 Speaker 4: All right.

47:13 Speaker 1: So there's this guy, his name's Benny Foggin, and years ago,

47:20 Speaker 1: this was back in the eighties, he saw a flying

47:23 Speaker 1: saucer that dropped some metal and he retrieved this piece

47:27 Speaker 1: of melted metal. Well, that story of UFO is somehow

47:33 Speaker 1: making weird noises and then dropping molten metal is kind

47:35 Speaker 1: of starting to be a thing. So his case was

47:39 Speaker 1: brought to my attention, and I was asked if I

47:42 Speaker 1: wanted to go out there and interview him and take

47:44 Speaker 1: samples of the material. Now, this material has a pedigree.

47:47 Speaker 1: When it's been studied by NASA, it's been studied by

47:52 Speaker 1: Betel Memorial Institute, it's been studied by a lot of people.

47:56 Speaker 1: And Lou Elizondo and Tom DeLong went to this guy's

48:00 Speaker 1: house the same place I went when TTSA first started

48:04 Speaker 1: with a film crew, and they took samples of this

48:07 Speaker 1: material and took it. And according to Lou, very strange

48:11 Speaker 1: things happened while this stuff was enroot.

48:13 Speaker 4: And the word is Tim Taylor got a hold of it.

48:16 Speaker 1: Gary Nolan has some of it, and how put Off

48:21 Speaker 1: has some of it, and nobody is telling the guy

48:24 Speaker 1: who provided the material what's going on with it. And

48:27 Speaker 1: there's this weird red metal that is integrated into this

48:31 Speaker 1: sample that everybody that gets their hands in this thing

48:35 Speaker 1: goes dark in telling this guy the truth about his metal.

48:39 Speaker 1: So after the first hearing, I rent a car and

48:43 Speaker 1: I drive to Ohio where this guy lives, all by myself,

48:47 Speaker 1: and I go to his house and I interview him

48:50 Speaker 1: about the material. Then we take the material to a

48:53 Speaker 1: metal shop in his town, and these people go to

48:58 Speaker 1: drill course samples of it. We take the biggest samples

49:01 Speaker 1: that have ever been taken out of this stuff because

49:03 Speaker 1: we wanted to go all the way through it and

49:05 Speaker 1: find and see if we could find more traces of

49:07 Speaker 1: the red metal, because they're all scripped the outside. And

49:10 Speaker 1: so we put these gigantic holes in it, and I've

49:12 Speaker 1: got tons of this stuff. Right on the second hole drilling.

49:16 Speaker 1: We're using an industrial strength drill press with a brand

49:20 Speaker 1: new carbide a car By bit, and it hangs up

49:25 Speaker 1: and freezes the machine going through this piece of metal.

49:29 Speaker 1: And I have all this on video. It's in the

49:30 Speaker 1: next movie, and nobody can explain it. The metal shop

49:34 Speaker 1: guys are like, this is just something's supposed to be

49:36 Speaker 1: a chunk of aluminum. There's nothing. This is a car

49:39 Speaker 1: By bit, there is nothing that should stop this bit.

49:42 Speaker 1: And this is an industrial drill. It's hundreds of horsepower

49:46 Speaker 1: spinning and it locked up in this sample and we

49:49 Speaker 1: literally had to take it out, take it over to

49:51 Speaker 1: something else, and pry this brand new metal drill bit

49:54 Speaker 1: out of it, and the bit got damaged. Yeah, and

49:59 Speaker 1: so I have said, I have samples of all the materials,

50:02 Speaker 1: including this stuff that came out right then I put

50:05 Speaker 1: it all in specimen jars. We then did a heat

50:09 Speaker 1: test and I and we videotaped all this too.

50:13 Speaker 4: This is fascinating.

50:14 Speaker 1: The metal, which is supposed to be primarily primarily aluminum.

50:18 Speaker 1: We had some aluminum as a test sample and we

50:21 Speaker 1: took this acetylene torch it's like five thousand degrees or

50:24 Speaker 1: something to the aluminum and it just vaporized, right, It

50:31 Speaker 1: just melted into it was gone, not gone. It melted

50:34 Speaker 1: like that. We put we put the stuff on a

50:36 Speaker 1: steel plate. The other stuff you put the put the metal,

50:41 Speaker 1: put the torch to it. It wasn't melting, so then

50:43 Speaker 1: it would melt eventually. But then we decided, well, let's

50:46 Speaker 1: let's heat the steel plate. So we got the steel

50:49 Speaker 1: plate glowing red hot, white hot, and the metal sample

50:54 Speaker 1: that was sitting on top of the steel plate where

50:56 Speaker 1: it was glowing, was still not melted.

50:59 Speaker 4: And it's well, what's the melting point of steel? And

51:01 Speaker 4: we went over all.

51:02 Speaker 1: The math and the melting point of steel is way

51:04 Speaker 1: more than the melting point of aluminum. And then when

51:06 Speaker 1: we finally did get the stuff to melt, it coalesced

51:09 Speaker 1: into this weird shape.

51:10 Speaker 4: It's got all these webs through it. It's just bizarre.

51:14 Speaker 1: And this guy says that his sample has done all

51:17 Speaker 1: kinds of strange.

51:18 Speaker 4: Things over time that he's seen it do.

51:21 Speaker 1: So I take the samples and I drive back to Washington,

51:24 Speaker 1: DC and I hand deliver samples to Kirston Gillibrand's office,

51:29 Speaker 1: and the samples are at Arrow right now. Arrow has

51:33 Speaker 1: emailed me asking me more questions and for permissions and stuff.

51:36 Speaker 1: And I still have a bunch of it. And so

51:39 Speaker 1: you know, anybody that's legit that would like to test

51:41 Speaker 1: some of this metal, I can give it to him.

51:44 Speaker 4: And all of this is in the movie. I'm not

51:46 Speaker 4: making any of it up.

51:47 Speaker 1: And so yeah, and then I interviewed Kurston Gillibrand about

51:50 Speaker 1: it afterwards, and she said on camera for me, anybody

51:54 Speaker 1: who knows about these programs has her personal guarantee that

52:01 Speaker 1: they can come forward and they will be protected, and

52:04 Speaker 1: so you know, I hope.

52:06 Speaker 6: So I wow, holy shit, I should just I wish

52:14 Speaker 6: I had asked, I would have rode with you.

52:16 Speaker 7: I would love to have seen that. Jesus, Well, I mean.

52:21 Speaker 4: It's all, it's all, it was all documented.

52:24 Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm glad because I cannot wait to see that.

52:28 Speaker 1: And you know, during the shooting, I had three video

52:30 Speaker 1: cameras with me and batteries just.

52:33 Speaker 4: And I almost ended up.

52:35 Speaker 1: I had to end up shooting the last part of

52:36 Speaker 1: the whole thing on my phone because brand new video

52:39 Speaker 1: cameras all charged up I had.

52:41 Speaker 4: I bought an Osmo Pocket three and I had all of.

52:44 Speaker 1: The battery stacked, was freshly charged when I got there,

52:47 Speaker 1: and it lasted like ten minutes, and Dank.

52:49 Speaker 7: You had that thing. Yeah, you had that thing from

52:53 Speaker 7: four a m. At the hearing. I remember that you

52:57 Speaker 7: you were using it. And then at like seven pm

53:01 Speaker 7: was the last time I saw you. You still had it,

53:04 Speaker 7: I know, And I.

53:05 Speaker 1: Was still on the same battery and this thing. I

53:08 Speaker 1: got to the place and next to this metal and

53:11 Speaker 1: the damn thing it lost his.

53:13 Speaker 4: Charge in like fifteen minutes.

53:16 Speaker 1: And then the next day I charged it again and

53:19 Speaker 1: that's when I went back to shoot the interview with

53:20 Speaker 1: the guy, the formal interview.

53:21 Speaker 4: I set up a green screen in his house and

53:23 Speaker 4: did the whole thing and it worked fine. So, you know,

53:29 Speaker 4: just strange days and he was not you know.

53:32 Speaker 1: The people there, I interviewed them, their seasoned metal shop

53:36 Speaker 1: people is a big giant facility. They do industrial metal work,

53:40 Speaker 1: and they're like, I've never seen anything like this.

53:42 Speaker 4: There is nothing that should have stopped that drill press.

53:46 Speaker 7: Huh.

53:47 Speaker 4: And so you know, I took the samples.

53:49 Speaker 1: Of the the samples that came out of the hole

53:53 Speaker 1: where the drill press got locked up. I put those

53:55 Speaker 1: in a separate jar. And so I have all this

53:58 Speaker 1: stuff and I still have a bunch. So I delivered

54:00 Speaker 1: the samples to Gillibrand's office. Arrow was analyzing them, and

54:05 Speaker 1: that's the last I heard.

54:07 Speaker 4: You know.

54:07 Speaker 1: They asked me if they could destroy the samples, which

54:09 Speaker 1: is called destructive testing. And I'm like, yeah, you guys

54:12 Speaker 1: can do that. But the but the stipulation I had

54:14 Speaker 1: is we want to know what the results are. And

54:17 Speaker 1: we already know that a US Army materials lab studied

54:21 Speaker 1: the same material because they got it from Tom.

54:23 Speaker 4: DeLong and Luella is Ondo.

54:25 Speaker 1: They studied the same material that was all this big

54:28 Speaker 1: thing when Tom belong And was made that deal with

54:31 Speaker 1: the Army. This was some of the materials that they

54:33 Speaker 1: delivered that and Linda molten house little bismuth.

54:36 Speaker 4: Triangle from her. Yes, yeah, you know.

54:39 Speaker 1: There's another story of that that's coming out in the

54:41 Speaker 1: next movie. You want to hear it. Hell yeah, all right,

54:46 Speaker 1: So check this out, dude.

54:47 Speaker 4: This is the weirdest coincidence that you probably heard this week.

54:51 Speaker 1: ID this and I found out that.

54:57 Speaker 4: When Linda first got that material, she said it to

55:00 Speaker 4: how put Off.

55:01 Speaker 1: Now this was back in the eighties. I think late

55:05 Speaker 1: eighties might be wrong about that, but it was. It

55:09 Speaker 1: was back way back. So how Kutoff studied the material

55:12 Speaker 1: and sent Linda back a letter saying that there's nothing

55:15 Speaker 1: unusual that we can identify with the material. But then

55:18 Speaker 1: there's this weird thing he says in the letter. He says,

55:21 Speaker 1: but there was one test that we didn't subject it to,

55:23 Speaker 1: and that was subjecting it to frequency waves of blah

55:26 Speaker 1: blah blah. And then and then he concludes the letter,

55:31 Speaker 1: And I'm thinking about that, and I'm like, look, there's

55:33 Speaker 1: a million tests you can perform on a piece of metal.

55:35 Speaker 1: Why would frequency waves at a certain frequency be like

55:38 Speaker 1: a test that you'd even think to do?

55:41 Speaker 7: Right?

55:41 Speaker 4: So then I thought, well, what if they did do that?

55:44 Speaker 1: And there is a video, okay from that time of

55:48 Speaker 1: her material being tested subjected to those waves at that

55:54 Speaker 1: at these frequencies at how put Off mentioned and the

55:56 Speaker 1: materials jumping around and there's a guy on the video

56:00 Speaker 1: observing the test.

56:01 Speaker 4: And you know who it is?

56:03 Speaker 7: Who is it?

56:04 Speaker 1: It's Travis Taylor, unmistakably Travis Taylor. His voice, you can't

56:12 Speaker 1: you can't mistake it. And this is back before anybody

56:14 Speaker 1: knew who he was, before Discovery Channel, before History Channel,

56:17 Speaker 1: before you know, he's been he's been involved in secret stuff,

56:19 Speaker 1: and now he's running a tip.

56:21 Speaker 4: But this, okay, so this gets even weirder.

56:24 Speaker 1: Okay, when I interviewed Gary Nolan, he was talking about

56:29 Speaker 1: the ability to do atomic level three D printing. Now,

56:34 Speaker 1: when Linda's material came out back in the day, it

56:38 Speaker 1: had these micro thin layers.

56:40 Speaker 7: Do you remember this, the atomic layering is.

56:43 Speaker 1: Yeah, and nobody could explain it, you know, they just

56:46 Speaker 1: wrote it off to coincidence. Well, the reason nobody could

56:49 Speaker 1: explain it in the nineteen eighties and nineties is because

56:52 Speaker 1: three D printing wasn't even on our radar screen.

56:54 Speaker 8: I mean maybe dark Night, but nobody.

56:57 Speaker 1: You know, So we couldn't explain it as being pretty

57:02 Speaker 1: printed because we didn't have it.

57:04 Speaker 8: And so so so fast forward to TTSA and Tom

57:12 Speaker 8: DeLong and how put off.

57:15 Speaker 1: Who's you know part of TTSA who wrote Lenda the

57:18 Speaker 1: letter saying there wasn't anything of significance in her material,

57:22 Speaker 1: then why would they go and give her thirty five

57:25 Speaker 1: thousand dollars to get their hands on.

57:26 Speaker 4: It as one of their first orders of business? Huh Yeah,

57:41 Speaker 4: I know, man, that's a that's a very interesting silence.

57:44 Speaker 1: You were either like waiting for me to continue, or

57:46 Speaker 1: it just hits you the significance of what I just said.

57:49 Speaker 7: Can you wait?

57:51 Speaker 6: Can you just so I made sure I heard it correct?

57:55 Speaker 6: Can you repeat it?

57:56 Speaker 7: Not just the last part?

57:58 Speaker 8: Yeah?

57:58 Speaker 1: I mean when tts say it was formed, how put

58:02 Speaker 1: off it was was on the you know part of TTSA. Yes,

58:06 Speaker 1: he had previously written Linda years ago saying there's nothing

58:10 Speaker 1: significant about the material. But these guys TTSA and how

58:15 Speaker 1: who's part of them? They went and bought that material

58:17 Speaker 1: and handed it over to the Army Materials Lab who's

58:20 Speaker 1: never given us a straight answer about what they came

58:22 Speaker 1: up with. So if there was nothing to the material,

58:25 Speaker 1: why was it worth thirty five thousand dollars to pay

58:28 Speaker 1: Linda and snatch it.

58:30 Speaker 6: I got to ask you a question, and there's there's

58:34 Speaker 6: a reason for my silence.

58:36 Speaker 7: Do you I've had my.

58:39 Speaker 6: Suspicions that there are people and how might be one.

58:44 Speaker 9: Of them, that they are, they are and may still

58:51 Speaker 9: be on the inside of the program and they are

58:53 Speaker 9: double dipping.

58:56 Speaker 6: You know.

58:56 Speaker 4: James Fox is coming out. He just did.

58:58 Speaker 1: He just did an episode of a show where he's

59:01 Speaker 1: pretty much convinced that Hall is a first hand witness.

59:04 Speaker 1: And and how how you know, I tried to get

59:07 Speaker 1: to how to give me an interview James, James pulled

59:09 Speaker 1: it off.

59:11 Speaker 4: Yeah, he's a he's he's definitely one of them.

59:14 Speaker 1: See this, this whole thing goes back, Okay, And and

59:17 Speaker 1: James has hell put off.

59:18 Speaker 4: I've got Colonel.

59:19 Speaker 1: John Alexander, who is you know he I got a

59:22 Speaker 1: new interview with him. And in the film, these guys

59:25 Speaker 1: were all like this for that whole period of time.

59:29 Speaker 1: I mean they were they were at SRI with Russell

59:32 Speaker 1: Tard doing the remote viewing stuff. Yeah yeah, and and

59:36 Speaker 1: Uri Geller and and John Alexander.

59:38 Speaker 4: Was involved in uh what was it? What was the

59:44 Speaker 4: thing where they were like experimenting on people.

59:49 Speaker 7: So there's MK ultra, Yeah, yeah, yeah.

59:52 Speaker 1: He was involved in MK Ultra. Supposedly this dude was

59:55 Speaker 1: a was a was a sniper.

59:57 Speaker 4: In Vietnam. He was his code name was Assassin six.

1:00:02 Speaker 1: Alexander is the guy, is truly the guy that would

1:00:04 Speaker 1: tell you, could tell you, but he'd have to kill you.

1:00:07 Speaker 1: And these guys are all at different levels and and

1:00:13 Speaker 1: so yeah, they I don't think that they were the

1:00:16 Speaker 1: originators of the program, but I think at some point

1:00:18 Speaker 1: they were read in at least to some point.

1:00:21 Speaker 4: And Hal for sure. And then there's Tim Taylor. He

1:00:26 Speaker 4: knows what's going on, and there is the task I

1:00:31 Speaker 4: can't see.

1:00:32 Speaker 1: And then Robert Bigelow to some point, you know what

1:00:34 Speaker 1: I mean, Look what they did the Bigelow.

1:00:36 Speaker 7: Yeah, it's like he came out, basically made him trade

1:00:40 Speaker 7: his soul.

1:00:41 Speaker 4: Well they for.

1:00:43 Speaker 1: He came out of sixty minutes and said aliens. And

1:00:46 Speaker 1: six months later Bigelow Aerospace was demolished. NASA stiffed him

1:00:50 Speaker 1: for the money they owed him. His technology was cannibalized

1:00:54 Speaker 1: by a bunch of other companies. He says that it

1:00:57 Speaker 1: had nothing that did Those things didn't have anything to

1:00:59 Speaker 1: do with each other. But I don't believe it. I

1:01:01 Speaker 1: think he I think that's the price he paid for

1:01:03 Speaker 1: spilling the beans. And then when the when the materials

1:01:06 Speaker 1: case came out where you know, I broke that story

1:01:11 Speaker 1: and we also included it in the film when it

1:01:14 Speaker 1: came out that materials were being studied at Big Lower Aerospace,

1:01:17 Speaker 1: and he had to walk that back. And that's why

1:01:19 Speaker 1: he did that interview with George Knapp, was so that

1:01:21 Speaker 1: he could go publicly and walk it back, because he

1:01:24 Speaker 1: was already in hot water for for letting stuff leak.

1:01:27 Speaker 4: And so the whole.

1:01:29 Speaker 1: Idea that that he was going to be involved in

1:01:32 Speaker 1: it being revealed that Big Lower Aerospace had its hands

1:01:35 Speaker 1: on materials or came close to it.

1:01:39 Speaker 4: And now he's doing Life After Death and he's keeping

1:01:41 Speaker 4: his mouth shut.

1:01:41 Speaker 1: And Big Lower Aerospace, if you go there, it's just

1:01:44 Speaker 1: a big building with a couple of cars parked there

1:01:47 Speaker 1: and it's still there, and it's just it's got this

1:01:49 Speaker 1: whole feel.

1:01:49 Speaker 4: Of of just not not right.

1:01:52 Speaker 7: It's not right.

1:01:53 Speaker 6: And and I think a prime example is Elon Musk.

1:01:59 Speaker 7: Right now, let me tell you, well, well, just one second,

1:02:04 Speaker 7: of course you're the guest.

1:02:05 Speaker 6: I I don't mean that in like a but but

1:02:09 Speaker 6: Elon Musk and his his like weird attitude because everything

1:02:15 Speaker 6: else he seems like fine with like kind of going

1:02:19 Speaker 6: out there and saying things like about we live in

1:02:21 Speaker 6: a simulation, YadA YadA. But when it comes to extraterrestrial

1:02:25 Speaker 6: life and non human intelligence and UFOs, he gets really

1:02:29 Speaker 6: quiet and then he just kind of goes, you know,

1:02:32 Speaker 6: says the mint at the least he can.

1:02:36 Speaker 7: And I think he he saw.

1:02:39 Speaker 6: What happened to Bigelow, and he's got contracts with the

1:02:42 Speaker 6: government too.

1:02:43 Speaker 7: He doesn't want to lose that.

1:02:45 Speaker 4: Well, what happened to Bigelow happened after Musk did his thing.

1:02:48 Speaker 1: But you know, I made a video calling him out

1:02:51 Speaker 1: about this and it set shockwaves through uh through space action.

1:02:56 Speaker 4: What I understand. I'll send you the link.

1:02:58 Speaker 1: I literally said, you know, Elon, if you convincing, you know,

1:03:02 Speaker 1: talk to Robert Bigelow. But if that's not good enough,

1:03:04 Speaker 1: move on. Would like to offer you a private briefing

1:03:07 Speaker 1: where we will send people to SpaceX to sit you

1:03:10 Speaker 1: down and line you out on this stuff.

1:03:13 Speaker 4: And and he never did it, but it's a really

1:03:14 Speaker 4: fun video. I'll send it to you. But uh, you know,

1:03:18 Speaker 4: here's what happened with it.

1:03:20 Speaker 1: Because I met some people that did video production for

1:03:23 Speaker 1: SpaceX and they told me some things. And what's what

1:03:27 Speaker 1: I believe is going on with Elon Musk is that

1:03:30 Speaker 1: he's basically told that you got your contracts, you can

1:03:34 Speaker 1: play with rockets, stay away from the whole alien question,

1:03:38 Speaker 1: don't get involved, and and and that's the price he's

1:03:41 Speaker 1: paid for.

1:03:42 Speaker 4: Being able to play the game that he's playing. And

1:03:45 Speaker 4: so you know, it makes sense.

1:03:48 Speaker 7: It does, it does, And honestly, but.

1:03:52 Speaker 4: Does he is he read in? I don't Maybe not,

1:03:54 Speaker 4: But here's here's the thing.

1:03:57 Speaker 1: If you're SpaceX and Lockheed has which that could make

1:04:01 Speaker 1: a better heat shield or whatever, you don't think he's

1:04:04 Speaker 1: given this stuff that that other companies are are sitting on.

1:04:09 Speaker 4: So you know, is he.

1:04:11 Speaker 1: Read in like he knows about he knows as much

1:04:13 Speaker 1: as Robert Bigelow, or he knows as much as Alizondo.

1:04:16 Speaker 4: No, but he's the SpaceX.

1:04:18 Speaker 1: Has a lot of classified stuff going on, and a

1:04:20 Speaker 1: lot of it has to do with reverse engineered stuff.

1:04:23 Speaker 4: That's just my opinion, but it stands to reason.

1:04:27 Speaker 1: I would have to assume only logical explanation for why

1:04:30 Speaker 1: Elon avoids aliens. And a lot of people have said it,

1:04:33 Speaker 1: and people have talked to you on the inside have

1:04:35 Speaker 1: confirmed it.

1:04:36 Speaker 4: My old studio used to be right across the street

1:04:38 Speaker 4: from SpaceX. Yeah.

1:04:41 Speaker 1: No, in the videos, it's a joke because I had

1:04:45 Speaker 1: a spaceship set at that time and it was like, elon,

1:04:48 Speaker 1: we're the only two people in Hawthorne, California building spaceships.

1:04:51 Speaker 4: I have one, you have one.

1:04:54 Speaker 1: But there's a place at SpaceX.

1:04:58 Speaker 4: It's on the SpaceX is located.

1:05:00 Speaker 1: There's a little airstrip in Torrents and so you know,

1:05:03 Speaker 1: it's private jet can just pull up and he can

1:05:05 Speaker 1: just get off the jet and walk straight into the

1:05:07 Speaker 1: SpaceX buildings. And for a time it was possible if

1:05:11 Speaker 1: you had a Tesla you could go and you can't

1:05:14 Speaker 1: do it anymore. You could go and pull up right

1:05:17 Speaker 1: to Tesla Design Center and charge your car and then

1:05:19 Speaker 1: you could walk around the whole SpaceX campus and nobody

1:05:22 Speaker 1: nobody said anything.

1:05:24 Speaker 4: It was all integrated. But now they typed it up.

1:05:27 Speaker 1: But there's a restaurant there called the Eureka Tasting Bar,

1:05:30 Speaker 1: I think it is.

1:05:31 Speaker 4: It's definitely Eureka, and.

1:05:34 Speaker 1: That's where the SpaceX guys hang out. And so if

1:05:36 Speaker 1: you want to go there and meet SpaceX people and

1:05:39 Speaker 1: listen to the conversations, that's where you go. And so

1:05:42 Speaker 1: you know, there's there's some video guys that i'd met

1:05:45 Speaker 1: that told me some things, and so yeah, I know

1:05:48 Speaker 1: that that he knows a lot more than he's saying,

1:05:51 Speaker 1: but he is strategically out of the conversation.

1:05:55 Speaker 6: Which honestly, from a guy like him, you know, like

1:05:59 Speaker 6: you said, it's in his best interest to just kind

1:06:03 Speaker 6: of keep it, keep it at bay.

1:06:05 Speaker 1: The thing that loves me is why is he denying it?

1:06:09 Speaker 1: You know, It's like it's bad enough to say, well,

1:06:12 Speaker 1: you know, I don't know, but but you know, to say, well,

1:06:17 Speaker 1: you know, if there was, if there was something going on,

1:06:19 Speaker 1: I would know about it, and there isn't, So denying

1:06:23 Speaker 1: it is worse than just side stepping it.

1:06:25 Speaker 6: In my opinion, I yeah, I would agree, I would

1:06:29 Speaker 6: agree because and and then that's what bugs me about

1:06:32 Speaker 6: like people like Neilda grass Tyson and there in his

1:06:35 Speaker 6: kind of thoughts on it and how he dismisses it,

1:06:39 Speaker 6: and you know, it's it's ironic because you know, he

1:06:43 Speaker 6: got famous and is well known for his work in

1:06:47 Speaker 6: with black holes, which at one time were theoretical.

1:06:51 Speaker 8: And you know what I mean.

1:06:53 Speaker 6: So it's kind of like, wait, Neil, how can you

1:06:57 Speaker 6: how can you sit there and say that it's it's

1:07:01 Speaker 6: counter it doesn't make sense. And again, we we need

1:07:05 Speaker 6: science as much as we h it sucks. We need

1:07:09 Speaker 6: the scientific community on our side with this and and

1:07:13 Speaker 6: and to help us with this.

1:07:17 Speaker 1: Do you want to see this? You know I can

1:07:19 Speaker 1: text this to you right now. You can play it

1:07:20 Speaker 1: if you want.

1:07:21 Speaker 7: If you can get it to me, I'll play it.

1:07:23 Speaker 4: Yeah, let me.

1:07:24 Speaker 1: I'm sending it right now. It's really funny.

1:07:27 Speaker 7: Let me see if I got it.

1:07:29 Speaker 1: But I just said it, okay, So.

1:07:36 Speaker 7: Yeah, I would love to.

1:07:40 Speaker 6: Uh well, it's gonna take me a minute to air

1:07:43 Speaker 6: drop it.

1:07:43 Speaker 7: So I'll ask you something and get you get you going.

1:07:49 Speaker 6: As a filmmaker and a media professional, what role do

1:07:52 Speaker 6: you think that documentaries and films play in shaping the

1:07:56 Speaker 6: UFO narrative? And how can we uh you know, improve

1:08:01 Speaker 6: that going forward?

1:08:03 Speaker 7: Like your film is packed with information, Well.

1:08:07 Speaker 1: You know, you hit the nail right in the head,

1:08:09 Speaker 1: Tyler that I didn't want to make a BS movie.

1:08:13 Speaker 1: There's too many people out there making UFO documentaries that

1:08:16 Speaker 1: are far fetched, completely out there that you know, I

1:08:20 Speaker 1: have a hard time believing that they're even representing factual material.

1:08:25 Speaker 1: And so you know, getting this is if you can't

1:08:28 Speaker 1: prove it or make a good case for it, don't

1:08:30 Speaker 1: say it, you know, don't build a whole following telling

1:08:33 Speaker 1: me this cockamami story about you know, doing all these

1:08:36 Speaker 1: things that there's no better way to lose the attention

1:08:40 Speaker 1: of a sitting congress person than to take him on

1:08:42 Speaker 1: a journey he doesn't want to go on. And so

1:08:45 Speaker 1: we have too many people making films about stuff that

1:08:47 Speaker 1: is unsubstantiated and pure conjecture, and that turns off the

1:08:52 Speaker 1: general public. When I made Accidental Truth, I exposed the

1:08:58 Speaker 1: reality of this, and I did it in such.

1:09:00 Speaker 4: A way that, to my knowledge, nobody, not.

1:09:03 Speaker 1: One person has step forward to attack the credibility in

1:09:06 Speaker 1: my film. And and I you know, that's that's what

1:09:10 Speaker 1: I think needs to be the gold standard for all

1:09:12 Speaker 1: of us. You know, there's a couple of filmmakers out

1:09:14 Speaker 1: there that that that are making those kind of films,

1:09:17 Speaker 1: and then there's a lot of people out there that

1:09:18 Speaker 1: are just talking s H T and and and it's

1:09:22 Speaker 1: and it's you know, it's it's hard because we're trying

1:09:26 Speaker 1: to convince the public of the reality of this stuff.

1:09:28 Speaker 1: And then and then you know, it's like, oh yeah,

1:09:32 Speaker 1: I'm not going to say names, and I'm not even

1:09:34 Speaker 1: going to talk about circumstances because you know, one thing

1:09:38 Speaker 1: I've come to realize is that our perception of reality,

1:09:41 Speaker 1: we we don't know what it is enough to blast

1:09:45 Speaker 1: the credibility of other people. But but there's something I

1:09:52 Speaker 1: call the Midwest bar test, and I think every UFO

1:09:57 Speaker 1: documentary should be able to pass it.

1:09:59 Speaker 7: Oh okay, yes, all right, so.

1:10:01 Speaker 4: I'll tell you here's the Midwest bar test. This is

1:10:03 Speaker 4: what it is.

1:10:04 Speaker 1: You walk into a bar in the Midwest, salt of

1:10:07 Speaker 1: the Earth. People, a couple of Harley's parked out front.

1:10:10 Speaker 1: You know, everybody's drinking beer, they're playing pool. You walk

1:10:12 Speaker 1: in there and somehow or another conversation comes up and

1:10:17 Speaker 1: you talk about you know, you're into UFOs and so,

1:10:20 Speaker 1: you know.

1:10:20 Speaker 4: You get their attention and they want to hear more.

1:10:22 Speaker 4: So they say, well, what can you tell us? Say, well, you.

1:10:26 Speaker 1: Know, there's a pretty decent chance that non human intelligence

1:10:30 Speaker 1: has been interacting with humans for a really long time.

1:10:33 Speaker 4: And they all go, yeah, you know I've heard about that.

1:10:36 Speaker 1: I'll watch Agent Alien. Sure, And then you say, well,

1:10:39 Speaker 1: there's also a really good chance that the government knows

1:10:43 Speaker 1: a lot more about it than they're ever going to

1:10:45 Speaker 1: tell us. Oh yeah, that's probably absolutely for sure. There's

1:10:49 Speaker 1: a really good chance that there's a consensus of science

1:10:53 Speaker 1: now that there's absolutely got to be life in outer space,

1:10:56 Speaker 1: whether it's here or not.

1:10:57 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, they're totally on man here, let me

1:10:59 Speaker 4: buy you.

1:11:00 Speaker 1: And then you say, oh, and by the way, I

1:11:03 Speaker 1: was taken out of my bed when I was six

1:11:05 Speaker 1: years old and adrigressed and sent off to fight giant

1:11:07 Speaker 1: spiders on Mars and then come back and put back

1:11:10 Speaker 1: in my bed at the same exact time, and I'm

1:11:12 Speaker 1: a super soldier with missing teeth, and my friend you

1:11:18 Speaker 1: are dragged out of the bar, the beer that they

1:11:21 Speaker 1: bought you is spilled over your head, and the bikers.

1:11:24 Speaker 4: Want to kick your butt. So the Midwest bar test.

1:11:28 Speaker 1: Don't make a film that doesn't pass it. If you

1:11:32 Speaker 1: want to come off with some absolutely far out bizarre

1:11:35 Speaker 1: story that maybe it's true, but you have to think

1:11:38 Speaker 1: about what's good for the community and what's good for

1:11:41 Speaker 1: advancing the knowledge. If it is so preposterous that people

1:11:45 Speaker 1: most people are just going to shake their heads, then

1:11:47 Speaker 1: that paints a bad picture on the whole community. So

1:11:50 Speaker 1: even if this stuff happened to you, even if you're

1:11:52 Speaker 1: Captain Kirk, if you can't make a good case for

1:11:55 Speaker 1: it and show some kind of evidence beyond just a

1:11:59 Speaker 1: bunch of peeople talking, then don't do it. Just shut up,

1:12:04 Speaker 1: take your experience and write a book, but do not

1:12:07 Speaker 1: do this to the field. So integrity in making these documentaries,

1:12:12 Speaker 1: not sensationalism.

1:12:15 Speaker 6: I think that's a fair I think that's fair. So

1:12:18 Speaker 6: I pulled up this video, so we'll take a watch.

1:12:22 Speaker 6: All right, I'm gonna play it from the bet let

1:12:23 Speaker 6: me know. If you can hear the sound, you can

1:12:25 Speaker 6: make sure.

1:12:42 Speaker 1: I'm a huge fan of Elon Musk, and I'm a

1:12:44 Speaker 1: huge fan of SpaceX, so I was a little bit

1:12:46 Speaker 1: disappointed when he gave the speech in Texas a few

1:12:49 Speaker 1: days ago and talked about how he did not have

1:12:52 Speaker 1: any knowledge whatsoever of any non human intelligence engaging the

1:12:55 Speaker 1: human race. I think that that's just a little bit

1:12:58 Speaker 1: hard to believe. And I know most you out there

1:13:00 Speaker 1: are going to agree with me. Now, I've got some

1:13:02 Speaker 1: things in common with Elon Musk. He makes Tesla's, I

1:13:06 Speaker 1: drive a Tesla. He has a studio right there in Hawthorne,

1:13:09 Speaker 1: where he designs Tesla's. I have a studio right around

1:13:12 Speaker 1: the corner where I made the first season of Bigger Questions.

1:13:15 Speaker 1: He builds spaceships in Hawthorne, California, and ride around the

1:13:18 Speaker 1: corner in Hawthorne, California. I built a spaceship. There's a

1:13:22 Speaker 1: picture of it, complete with moufon director Jan Harzan at

1:13:25 Speaker 1: the passenger side. Now let's take a look at what

1:13:28 Speaker 1: Elon said.

1:13:31 Speaker 11: As far as we know, we are the only consciousness

1:13:34 Speaker 11: or the only life that's out there. They might be

1:13:36 Speaker 11: other life, but we've.

1:13:37 Speaker 1: Seen no signs of it.

1:13:38 Speaker 11: If people often ask me if you what do you

1:13:40 Speaker 11: know about the aliens and that you know, I'm like, man,

1:13:42 Speaker 11: I tell you if I'm pretty sure, I know, you know,

1:13:45 Speaker 11: if there were aliens, I've not seen any sign of aliens.

1:13:49 Speaker 1: I've had a lot of conversations with people about why

1:13:52 Speaker 1: he takes that position, and there's a lot of different answers,

1:13:55 Speaker 1: and I don't want to get into it now, but

1:13:56 Speaker 1: what I would like to do is extend a special

1:13:59 Speaker 1: invitation from moof on television and all of my friends

1:14:02 Speaker 1: in the field to Elon Musk. If there's anybody out

1:14:06 Speaker 1: there that's done credible research and has overwhelming compelling evidence.

1:14:10 Speaker 1: They're in my rolodex. No tinfoil hats. People from government,

1:14:14 Speaker 1: people from science, witnesses, from the military. We can give

1:14:17 Speaker 1: you a private briefing at SpaceX, and I promise you

1:14:21 Speaker 1: will not look at this question the same elon private

1:14:25 Speaker 1: briefing the et issue brought to you by moufon television

1:14:28 Speaker 1: with the best people in the field privately for you.

1:14:32 Speaker 4: Let's do it.

1:14:35 Speaker 7: Damn all right. So that was awesome. Where did we go?

1:14:44 Speaker 1: That's tough. That's called activism. So no response, No, but

1:14:53 Speaker 1: we did get a lot of emails set to them, but.

1:14:57 Speaker 4: No response. Although I got to tell you just read

1:15:00 Speaker 4: I got.

1:15:00 Speaker 1: A friend request from somebody named Eyon Musk and I

1:15:03 Speaker 1: thought it was fake, so I denied it and then

1:15:05 Speaker 1: I found out it was really from him and it wasn't.

1:15:08 Speaker 4: Just so maybe you wanted to talk to me.

1:15:11 Speaker 6: I just well, shit, you know what, I think you

1:15:14 Speaker 6: should play that Well, we just played it on Twitter. Yeah,

1:15:16 Speaker 6: but I think you should repost that video to X

1:15:20 Speaker 6: and tag him in it. I will if you won't.

1:15:23 Speaker 6: But hell, yeah, I think, like I said, that was

1:15:27 Speaker 6: that was awesome. I love that and and then honestly

1:15:29 Speaker 6: I saw you doing that. So even as just the

1:15:33 Speaker 6: media relations, you know, we can go into what that

1:15:36 Speaker 6: is with mofon, you're doing a lot of boots on

1:15:40 Speaker 6: the groundwork as well, not just in your you know,

1:15:43 Speaker 6: by making these films, but you're actually speaking to Congress members.

1:15:47 Speaker 6: You're actively engaging them during hearings and getting questions asked

1:15:52 Speaker 6: to witnesses that are under oath. So how can mofon

1:15:56 Speaker 6: help get the ball? How can we get guys like

1:15:59 Speaker 6: how cut off Eric Davis, Admiral Wilson, how do we

1:16:03 Speaker 6: get them on the stand under oath?

1:16:07 Speaker 1: Well, I've given those names to several members of Congress

1:16:10 Speaker 1: because they asked me for a list of who to

1:16:13 Speaker 1: call in and at Eric Davis is one of them,

1:16:15 Speaker 1: and Wilson is certainly one of them. I don't know

1:16:18 Speaker 1: if you know this or not, but at this all conference,

1:16:21 Speaker 1: Eric Davis pretty much confirmed the Wilson Davis memos being real.

1:16:25 Speaker 1: And I confronted Eric Davis. I got to ask him

1:16:28 Speaker 1: a question, and I got shut down by Gary Nolan

1:16:32 Speaker 1: in the middle of my question.

1:16:33 Speaker 4: But it was.

1:16:34 Speaker 1: Basically, how much more can we do to move this forward?

1:16:39 Speaker 1: And it's like, look, doctor Davis, and I've been wanting

1:16:43 Speaker 1: to talk to that guy forever.

1:16:45 Speaker 4: And so finally I at Saul.

1:16:49 Speaker 1: I stood in line, and they were going to have

1:16:53 Speaker 1: him come back so more people could ask, and so

1:16:55 Speaker 1: I sat right next to the microphone for the whole session,

1:16:58 Speaker 1: and as soon as I knew that are coming out

1:17:00 Speaker 1: with questions, I was right there, first in line. So

1:17:02 Speaker 1: I got to ask my question, and it was basically,

1:17:06 Speaker 1: we all know. You know that we know, and we

1:17:08 Speaker 1: know that you know that we know, and you know

1:17:10 Speaker 1: we're all doing this weird dance. What can groups like

1:17:13 Speaker 1: mofon and the public do to get this ball moving

1:17:17 Speaker 1: more because we're all frustrated? And you know, the answer

1:17:21 Speaker 1: was was very vanillas, like, oh, well, you know, we're

1:17:23 Speaker 1: at your congressman. But MOFON has had a lobbying firm

1:17:29 Speaker 1: in Washington, DC for two years. We've had over four

1:17:32 Speaker 1: hundred meetings with congress members and staffers. And you know,

1:17:36 Speaker 1: there's a lot of people out there tooting their horns

1:17:38 Speaker 1: about oh, I'm a big shot in DC. I'm doing this,

1:17:41 Speaker 1: I'm doing that. Well, we're not really tooting our horn

1:17:44 Speaker 1: about it. We're just doing it. And so the record

1:17:48 Speaker 1: speaks for itself. Move On has gained the respect of

1:17:52 Speaker 1: House and Senate Intelligence committees. We've been really doing this properly,

1:17:56 Speaker 1: and we've been in there helping to share ape the

1:18:00 Speaker 1: narrative and helping to you know, uncover the investigation and

1:18:05 Speaker 1: actively having meetings. And you know, we don't go and say, oh, yeah,

1:18:10 Speaker 1: we just met with with a Senator Jillibrand we don't

1:18:14 Speaker 1: go posting it on Facebook.

1:18:16 Speaker 4: But we're new and I think they like that in

1:18:20 Speaker 4: a way.

1:18:20 Speaker 1: As media relations director, I want to post it every

1:18:23 Speaker 1: time we do it. Oh look, here's me with Andre Carson.

1:18:25 Speaker 1: Guess what I told him. But I don't do that,

1:18:28 Speaker 1: but that's why I can talk to Andre Carson or whoever.

1:18:32 Speaker 1: You know, we've been back there doing a lot of

1:18:33 Speaker 1: the stuff. I've had some meetings and Dave McDonald, the

1:18:37 Speaker 1: head of MOUFON, has had a ton of meetings, way

1:18:39 Speaker 1: more than me, and and you know, that's what we're doing.

1:18:43 Speaker 1: And we you know, right now, we give the House

1:18:45 Speaker 1: and Senate Intelligence committees quarterly reports on move On, civilian

1:18:49 Speaker 1: sightings and cases and that stuff.

1:18:52 Speaker 4: It gets handed straight to these committees, and so you.

1:18:55 Speaker 1: Know, we're involved and anybody that wants to be involved

1:18:58 Speaker 1: can help us out. You know, they can become a

1:19:00 Speaker 1: moofon member. You're helping us support this work. You can

1:19:02 Speaker 1: subscribe to move On TV.

1:19:05 Speaker 7: You could become an investigator, yeah, if you want.

1:19:07 Speaker 4: To, you know.

1:19:08 Speaker 1: But a lot of people think, you know, well, if

1:19:10 Speaker 1: I join moufon, I have to be a field investigator.

1:19:12 Speaker 4: But you don't.

1:19:12 Speaker 1: You know, it's like the biggest UFOL club in the world.

1:19:14 Speaker 1: If you care about the topic, be a part of

1:19:16 Speaker 1: our group. Yeah, it's where you find your community. But yeah,

1:19:21 Speaker 1: so and keeping your politicians. Every single citizen should be

1:19:25 Speaker 1: reaching out to their politicians saying, come on, man, I

1:19:28 Speaker 1: believe in this topic and I want you to pay

1:19:30 Speaker 1: attention to it, and they will.

1:19:32 Speaker 4: You know.

1:19:33 Speaker 7: Well, it's hard for me, right because I live in Massachusetts.

1:19:36 Speaker 6: So when I when I email Elizabeth Warren, she doesn't

1:19:41 Speaker 6: tend to bring my questions to DC and I don't

1:19:44 Speaker 6: know why.

1:19:47 Speaker 7: But anyway, I'm sorry.

1:19:49 Speaker 4: That was well Elizabeth Warren. You know, she's got her

1:19:52 Speaker 4: own thing going on.

1:19:53 Speaker 7: Yeah she's half.

1:19:55 Speaker 4: But if enough people were to, you know, they love this.

1:19:59 Speaker 4: Tim Burton stuck his neck out.

1:20:02 Speaker 1: I love it, you know, And the in accidental truth

1:20:05 Speaker 1: that at the end he's one of the last scenes

1:20:08 Speaker 1: where he takes.

1:20:08 Speaker 4: The microphone off and I hope I don't get it.

1:20:10 Speaker 4: You know, it was really this interview is over kind

1:20:12 Speaker 4: of thing.

1:20:13 Speaker 6: Yeah, Well, what I loved about Birchet is like, because

1:20:17 Speaker 6: I've had him on the show, I talked to.

1:20:19 Speaker 7: Him in d C the on the at the day

1:20:21 Speaker 7: of the hearing.

1:20:22 Speaker 6: He is the one who invited me to the hearing. Actually,

1:20:26 Speaker 6: and and and I thank him for that still to

1:20:29 Speaker 6: this day. He really that TMZ interview where he gives that,

1:20:36 Speaker 6: you know, like they're not gonna tell us anything.

1:20:38 Speaker 7: You know, this this cover up and that kind of.

1:20:42 Speaker 6: Was a landmark thing because a congress member admitted that

1:20:48 Speaker 6: there was a cover up, and and it was this

1:20:50 Speaker 6: modern day.

1:20:52 Speaker 7: Congressman and and this I don't know, there was just.

1:20:56 Speaker 1: The same everything with that, and and the fact that

1:20:59 Speaker 1: he was willing to do it it and and how

1:21:02 Speaker 1: successful it's been for him. You know, it's like he

1:21:05 Speaker 1: took he could have thrown away his political career getting

1:21:08 Speaker 1: behind this topic, but he didn't. He's he's respected and

1:21:12 Speaker 1: he keeps getting re elected. And but but it took

1:21:16 Speaker 1: real courage and you know, if you know Tim, and

1:21:21 Speaker 1: you do by now, I've interviewed him like four times

1:21:24 Speaker 1: and been to his office equal number of times.

1:21:26 Speaker 4: The he's assault of the Earth guy, and.

1:21:32 Speaker 1: He really cares about the topic, and he really despises

1:21:35 Speaker 1: this political machine.

1:21:36 Speaker 4: That is Washington, d C. That you know, he doesn't

1:21:38 Speaker 4: want to be a part of that. You won't see it.

1:21:41 Speaker 6: He won't even he won't even call it a swamp

1:21:44 Speaker 6: because he says a swamp is an ecosystem and serves

1:21:47 Speaker 6: a bigger function.

1:21:52 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's pretty funny.

1:21:53 Speaker 6: I really I can't get enough of his sound nights,

1:21:56 Speaker 6: like it's just amazing. But he hasn't he he doesn't

1:22:01 Speaker 6: take it lightly. He knows, and he has said publicly,

1:22:05 Speaker 6: you know, Tyler. You know, he says it on the show,

1:22:07 Speaker 6: like I am not suicidal. So if I end up

1:22:12 Speaker 6: with a gunshot to the back of my head, I

1:22:15 Speaker 6: am not suicidal.

1:22:16 Speaker 7: And when he said that to me, we've.

1:22:19 Speaker 4: All had to say it. You know.

1:22:20 Speaker 1: I got a warning one time, a text from from well,

1:22:25 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say who it was, just saying we'll

1:22:26 Speaker 1: watch your back to somebody who's prominent in my film

1:22:29 Speaker 1: and prominent right now, and you know, strange things have

1:22:32 Speaker 1: happened when I was making Accidental Truth. The first time

1:22:36 Speaker 1: I would come into the room in the middle of

1:22:38 Speaker 1: the night my hard drives. You're just chattering away, and

1:22:40 Speaker 1: I'm like, what's going on? And I found out later

1:22:42 Speaker 1: that was that was data being transferred across my computer.

1:22:45 Speaker 4: They were watching every move I made. And there was

1:22:48 Speaker 4: a couple.

1:22:48 Speaker 1: Of times when I came in my house and stuff

1:22:50 Speaker 1: had been moved around, and it was like, what's up

1:22:53 Speaker 1: with this? And that was very until it showed up

1:22:57 Speaker 1: on Amazon on the release day. I was I was

1:23:03 Speaker 1: I was ever going to see the light of day,

1:23:05 Speaker 1: And you know, I thank god it did, But yeah,

1:23:10 Speaker 1: I wasn't sure.

1:23:12 Speaker 6: So you I was going to ask, do you ever

1:23:15 Speaker 6: do you ever worry that you might stumble onto something

1:23:19 Speaker 6: that does you know, get you? I don't know put

1:23:25 Speaker 6: in a position?

1:23:28 Speaker 1: That old trip to Washington, d C. Was like one

1:23:30 Speaker 1: giant spy novel. I mean, it was absolute insanity. If

1:23:35 Speaker 1: I wasn't it's almost comedic some of the stuff that

1:23:40 Speaker 1: I ran into, and and and some of the agency

1:23:44 Speaker 1: stuff that crossed my path, and and you know, it

1:23:46 Speaker 1: was all I never felt threatened, but I definitely felt included.

1:23:52 Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, oh man.

1:23:58 Speaker 1: I mean when I was driving to oh you know,

1:24:00 Speaker 1: I went all by myself and a lot of people

1:24:02 Speaker 1: knew I was going and what I was going there for.

1:24:06 Speaker 1: I encountered this fog that was like you couldn't drive

1:24:10 Speaker 1: in it. You could only see twenty feet away in

1:24:13 Speaker 1: front of you. And it was like that for hours,

1:24:15 Speaker 1: and I was thinking, man, I don't even have any

1:24:17 Speaker 1: way to tell if I'm being followed.

1:24:21 Speaker 4: Somebody wanted to take me out, this would be a

1:24:23 Speaker 4: perfect opportunity.

1:24:24 Speaker 7: This is it.

1:24:25 Speaker 4: Nobody, Nobody followed me to Ohio and no, you know,

1:24:28 Speaker 4: nothing like that happened.

1:24:29 Speaker 1: Yeah, I was told I was followed to Ohio, but

1:24:32 Speaker 1: whoever did it was pretty damn good because I never

1:24:35 Speaker 1: caught and I was watching that.

1:24:38 Speaker 6: I think one thing in this field is that I

1:24:41 Speaker 6: think when like so, we tend to get a little

1:24:44 Speaker 6: bit over anxious, and I think that leads to people

1:24:48 Speaker 6: doing drastic things, and I mean we I hate to

1:24:52 Speaker 6: bring it up, but this this whole Tesla truck guy,

1:24:57 Speaker 6: you know, his his email to Sean.

1:25:00 Speaker 7: Ryan into others Burchetts involved in it.

1:25:05 Speaker 1: He just came out and said that that guy was

1:25:09 Speaker 1: one of his whistleblowers.

1:25:11 Speaker 7: Yeah, I.

1:25:14 Speaker 6: Did tweet about that today or I don't know if

1:25:16 Speaker 6: it's still called a tweet.

1:25:17 Speaker 7: I don't think it is. I posted on eggs. Yeah,

1:25:21 Speaker 7: I think we all are. Uh.

1:25:24 Speaker 6: But so I tweeted about that today and I got

1:25:28 Speaker 6: a little bit of mixed bag, some people saying he

1:25:32 Speaker 6: didn't say that, and that was more from Patrick from vetted.

1:25:36 Speaker 7: I don't know. So, I don't know. I have to

1:25:39 Speaker 7: look more into that.

1:25:39 Speaker 6: But I was under the assumption that Greer did say

1:25:42 Speaker 6: that this guy was part of that of that effort

1:25:47 Speaker 6: to some degree, and Greer had been talking about that

1:25:51 Speaker 6: far before the Tesla truck ever caught flames at that hotel.

1:25:56 Speaker 6: So is it coincidence? I I don't think so. Again,

1:26:01 Speaker 6: I don't believe in those So but in his in

1:26:03 Speaker 6: his email, he talks about some pretty alarming shit ron

1:26:08 Speaker 6: some pretty alarming shit and then say about this anti

1:26:10 Speaker 6: gravitic technology and how us only you know, the United

1:26:15 Speaker 6: States and China have that.

1:26:18 Speaker 7: So, so what have you have you been paying attention

1:26:20 Speaker 7: to this? Do you? What do you know of this?

1:26:24 Speaker 1: Well? I haven't read the whole letter. I've just been

1:26:27 Speaker 1: so busy with the studio move and everything else. But

1:26:29 Speaker 1: you know that the thing about any gravitic technology, Steve

1:26:31 Speaker 1: Bassett thinks we've had it. A lot of people think

1:26:33 Speaker 1: we've had in the fifties. Yeah, there was a there

1:26:36 Speaker 1: was a scientist that was studying anti gravitic stuff that disappeared. Yes,

1:26:40 Speaker 1: so that's a whole other story. But yeah, I can't

1:26:44 Speaker 1: comment on that without being a little.

1:26:46 Speaker 6: Further Yeah, understood, ununderstood. And we are, like you said, squeezed,

1:26:52 Speaker 6: squeeze a.

1:26:53 Speaker 7: Little bit for time. We're gonna be wrapping up in

1:26:54 Speaker 7: a minute, so I want to ask future projects.

1:27:02 Speaker 6: Obviously, we know there's a follow up to Accidental Truth coming, yes.

1:27:08 Speaker 4: And you know it keeps getting postponed because things keep happening.

1:27:11 Speaker 1: I decided to wait until after James Fox put out

1:27:16 Speaker 1: in the program because I wanted to make sure that

1:27:18 Speaker 1: there was no similar efforts, and then I wanted also

1:27:22 Speaker 1: to catch up with what was happening in the field,

1:27:26 Speaker 1: and there was always something new that needed to find

1:27:28 Speaker 1: its way into the film.

1:27:29 Speaker 4: It's one of those situations. It's ninety days from the time.

1:27:32 Speaker 1: You finish your movie till the system can release it,

1:27:35 Speaker 1: and things are happening, so fast in this field that

1:27:38 Speaker 1: ninety days is like a lifetime and so you know,

1:27:42 Speaker 1: at some point I have to say, okay, I'm cutting

1:27:44 Speaker 1: it off.

1:27:44 Speaker 7: You have to picture life out.

1:27:46 Speaker 4: Yeah, but it's called Accidental Truth. Next.

1:27:50 Speaker 1: It picks up where Accidental Truth left off. It recaps

1:27:53 Speaker 1: some of the stuff that we got right in the

1:27:55 Speaker 1: initial movie. It's narrated by Matthew Modine again, which is fantastic.

1:28:01 Speaker 1: The uh, the the reason it's called next is because

1:28:05 Speaker 1: you know the principle of it is, all right, we

1:28:07 Speaker 1: are we we know this already. We're being engaged by

1:28:10 Speaker 1: non human intelligence. Okay, what's next?

1:28:12 Speaker 7: And so we've had the revelation.

1:28:15 Speaker 1: In the in the first movie, we took you into

1:28:18 Speaker 1: the preliminary entries into you know, it was all nuts

1:28:22 Speaker 1: and bolts up until it wasn't. And Accidental Sure, It's

1:28:25 Speaker 1: next is the same thing. It's all nuts and bolts

1:28:28 Speaker 1: right up until it isn't.

1:28:30 Speaker 6: And you you had told me that you also work.

1:28:33 Speaker 6: You do work on other it's not just uphoes that

1:28:38 Speaker 6: you're dabbling into. Your making films about the paranormal, the supernatural,

1:28:43 Speaker 6: if you want to call it that.

1:28:44 Speaker 4: Yeah, I've made a bunch of ghost movies that documentaries.

1:28:48 Speaker 1: I made one of the first documentaries ever about electronic

1:28:51 Speaker 1: voice phenomenon back it's called Dead Whisper, Still out There,

1:28:55 Speaker 1: And I'm working on one about life after death right now.

1:28:58 Speaker 4: It will probably be my next piece.

1:29:00 Speaker 1: And you know Christopher O'Brien, who was the famous cattle

1:29:04 Speaker 1: mutilation guy. He's helped me and James Fox and a

1:29:07 Speaker 1: bunch of other people. Chris and I have made several

1:29:09 Speaker 1: movies together, and he came to work on Accidental Truth

1:29:13 Speaker 1: and he passed away the day of.

1:29:14 Speaker 4: The Saul conference at my not at my house, but

1:29:17 Speaker 4: he was.

1:29:18 Speaker 1: He left my house and died a couple of minutes later.

1:29:22 Speaker 6: So I'm so I also, you know, I forgot to

1:29:27 Speaker 6: do this in the beginning of the show, but you

1:29:30 Speaker 6: are in La. I just I want to say that

1:29:34 Speaker 6: I know, I'm terribly, terribly sorry for what's going on,

1:29:40 Speaker 6: and I hope that everybody that, whether they're good or bad.

1:29:47 Speaker 6: I mean, it looks like an apocalypse, man.

1:29:49 Speaker 1: This is probably, you know, and I'm crazy. I just

1:29:52 Speaker 1: set up this new studio and I literally rented. I

1:29:56 Speaker 1: decided I want to spend more time in la because

1:29:58 Speaker 1: I've been in Sodona since COVID and I rented an

1:30:01 Speaker 1: apartment and then the next day we had the fires

1:30:04 Speaker 1: and I my boil.

1:30:05 Speaker 4: I didn't make a mistake.

1:30:06 Speaker 1: And what's even more is I hope that I didn't

1:30:09 Speaker 1: just take a place away from somebody who might have

1:30:11 Speaker 1: really needed it. So I'm actually going to I'm going

1:30:14 Speaker 1: to make my house in Sedona available to somebody while

1:30:18 Speaker 1: I'm in California and see if I can help out

1:30:21 Speaker 1: that way, and I might make the apartment I just

1:30:23 Speaker 1: rented available to somebody and just go back to Sedona.

1:30:26 Speaker 1: And so this rides out, but Los Angeles will never

1:30:29 Speaker 1: be the same. I mean it literally, an atomic bomb,

1:30:33 Speaker 1: a single atomic bomb could not have done more damage.

1:30:36 Speaker 6: It's it just I mean, the scenes, the scenes are

1:30:41 Speaker 6: just straight out of like an apocalypse film.

1:30:46 Speaker 1: It's over ten thousand structures have been burned. The air

1:30:49 Speaker 1: like I'm in my studio right now, but I've.

1:30:51 Speaker 8: Got a sore throat and I could hear it.

1:30:54 Speaker 4: You know, that's from breathing this air. It's toxic, literally.

1:30:58 Speaker 6: And you don't want to bring your dog out there.

1:31:00 Speaker 6: You don't want to do any of that. So I

1:31:03 Speaker 6: I really I just want to say, man, I I

1:31:07 Speaker 6: I I don't I don't pray, but I send my

1:31:10 Speaker 6: positive energy to everyone that is a friend of the show,

1:31:16 Speaker 6: that's been on the show, that's in that area and

1:31:19 Speaker 6: is a friend.

1:31:20 Speaker 4: Here's a friend of the show.

1:31:21 Speaker 7: Oh my god, you're on TV, buddy, Oh my god.

1:31:28 Speaker 7: So is he Is that a Yorkie?

1:31:30 Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, it's my mom's ninety six and she was

1:31:34 Speaker 1: living in my guest house and she just had to

1:31:37 Speaker 1: get going because she has Alzheimer's.

1:31:39 Speaker 4: So this is her little dog and I've been taking

1:31:42 Speaker 4: care of him. So he's with me. He mentioned walking

1:31:46 Speaker 4: the dog. He's with me here in La Oh.

1:31:49 Speaker 7: It's such a cutie.

1:31:50 Speaker 4: I love he loves me.

1:31:51 Speaker 6: We're we're a very dog friendly show. I have the

1:31:56 Speaker 6: dog in the studio. We have the studio up in

1:32:00 Speaker 6: down the down the road, and uh, the guy who

1:32:03 Speaker 6: owns the studio like owns and owns it. His dog

1:32:06 Speaker 6: literally lives there. So and then I have my dog here.

1:32:09 Speaker 6: So no matter where I make a show, there's a

1:32:11 Speaker 6: dog around.

1:32:14 Speaker 1: You know, I've had dogs before, but this little guy

1:32:16 Speaker 1: is pretty pretty. Especially he's super smart and he's helped

1:32:21 Speaker 1: me through some rough times.

1:32:23 Speaker 7: That's and that's another thing.

1:32:25 Speaker 6: So I mean, I know we spoke about this on

1:32:27 Speaker 6: the phone, but you know, Moufon. Moufon has always been

1:32:35 Speaker 6: really nuts and bolts. And I understand that they have

1:32:39 Speaker 6: the E R T. Kathleen Martin's a good friend of mine.

1:32:42 Speaker 6: Earl Anderson good friend of mine. Uh So they have

1:32:45 Speaker 6: the experience, a resource team.

1:32:49 Speaker 7: But abductions and stuff like that.

1:32:53 Speaker 6: Do you think Moufon could do a little bit better

1:32:56 Speaker 6: representing those kind of cases?

1:32:58 Speaker 1: And and I think we're doing the best job of

1:33:01 Speaker 1: anybody in the world. I mean, you know, short Ray

1:33:04 Speaker 1: Hernandez did his thing right. But here's what's going on, Tyler.

1:33:09 Speaker 1: We're not ready to.

1:33:09 Speaker 4: Roll that out.

1:33:10 Speaker 1: And you know, I'm not going to walk into Andre

1:33:14 Speaker 1: Carson's office and start talking about abductions.

1:33:16 Speaker 4: They're not ready to hear that yet.

1:33:19 Speaker 1: And I'm not diminishing the experience or phenomenon. And I

1:33:22 Speaker 1: can say that experiencers are going to have their day

1:33:26 Speaker 1: and we're getting there, but we still have an establishment

1:33:31 Speaker 1: of politicians and people that we have to have on

1:33:34 Speaker 1: our side, and there's some things that they're just not

1:33:36 Speaker 1: ready to talk about. And so you know, you can't

1:33:40 Speaker 1: you can't walk in and have credibility and say you

1:33:43 Speaker 1: want to talk about people being producted.

1:33:45 Speaker 4: By aliens and hybrids and all these weird things that

1:33:47 Speaker 4: are happening.

1:33:49 Speaker 6: That's how you get That's how you get on the

1:33:51 Speaker 6: crazy list, exactly. And again, so that's what I'm telling

1:33:55 Speaker 6: people right now is and that it was that exact

1:33:58 Speaker 6: sentiment is we need this first domino to fall, yes.

1:34:02 Speaker 4: And Experience, we have your back.

1:34:05 Speaker 1: I mean, the whole reason we have this that the

1:34:07 Speaker 1: Experience or Resource team is because we're doing the biggest research.

1:34:11 Speaker 1: Ray Hernandez and did the Edgar Mitchell Foundation and I

1:34:14 Speaker 1: was working with him at that time. They put out

1:34:17 Speaker 1: that huge report about how the experiencer phenomenon and other

1:34:21 Speaker 1: similar phenomenon could all be connected through mechanism, and you

1:34:26 Speaker 1: know Kathleen was involved in that.

1:34:28 Speaker 4: And move On is its own data that we're publishing.

1:34:30 Speaker 1: And if you are an experiencer, we have the biggest

1:34:34 Speaker 1: resource group for you.

1:34:35 Speaker 4: We can help you with every.

1:34:37 Speaker 1: Aspect of coming to grips with this and understanding what

1:34:40 Speaker 1: it is and finding other people that can you can

1:34:44 Speaker 1: talk to without fear of being ridiculed. So I don't

1:34:48 Speaker 1: know how much more Moufon can do we're doing. We're

1:34:52 Speaker 1: at the forefront already, and as far as how much

1:34:55 Speaker 1: we're going to bring it into the public light, especially

1:35:00 Speaker 1: in the political arena, we're being careful about that. But

1:35:04 Speaker 1: it's definitely in our it's on our radar screen that

1:35:07 Speaker 1: it has to be. It has to come up because

1:35:09 Speaker 1: it's a real thing.

1:35:10 Speaker 6: No, And I think you know what, I think that again,

1:35:13 Speaker 6: I I share your sentiment in that, in that fact

1:35:17 Speaker 6: that we have to be strategic when we talk to

1:35:21 Speaker 6: lawmakers and.

1:35:23 Speaker 7: Certain individuals.

1:35:26 Speaker 6: We have to make a sacrifice in order to move

1:35:30 Speaker 6: the ball further down the field if not, you know,

1:35:33 Speaker 6: is a good analogy.

1:35:35 Speaker 1: And you know, the experience or phenomenon is there's parts

1:35:39 Speaker 1: of that that might not be so great.

1:35:42 Speaker 4: You know.

1:35:42 Speaker 1: I mean a lot of people are having these positive encounters,

1:35:45 Speaker 1: but a lot of people have had their lives changed

1:35:47 Speaker 1: and even ruined by some of the things that have

1:35:49 Speaker 1: happened to them. And you know, we're fighting for this

1:35:53 Speaker 1: disclosure and we're trying to There is no threat, you know,

1:35:56 Speaker 1: it's there, it's just not the it's not the right

1:36:01 Speaker 1: time for move On officially to put the experience or

1:36:03 Speaker 1: phenomenon front and center. But we are serving experiencers in

1:36:07 Speaker 1: every way possible, and we're not We're not shy about it.

1:36:10 Speaker 1: We're the one that we're working with with ancient aliens

1:36:13 Speaker 1: right now on an experiencer show, and I think say

1:36:17 Speaker 1: much more, but we are, and we've.

1:36:20 Speaker 4: Got some other things in development.

1:36:22 Speaker 1: So we just came to a point and I think

1:36:25 Speaker 1: I can I can tell that I can share this.

1:36:28 Speaker 4: We just made it possible for people who have.

1:36:34 Speaker 1: Uh in confidence made reports to move on that that

1:36:38 Speaker 1: we whose data were absolutely obligated to protect. We have

1:36:43 Speaker 1: created an avenue where if you want to tell your

1:36:46 Speaker 1: story to a broader audience, then we will connect you

1:36:49 Speaker 1: with people that are doing programming and documentaries. We've never

1:36:53 Speaker 1: did that before, so you know we are because it's

1:36:57 Speaker 1: a fine line. You want to make sure that you

1:37:00 Speaker 1: are protecting protect people that come to you in confidence.

1:37:03 Speaker 4: So but they also there might be people that do

1:37:07 Speaker 4: want to tell it.

1:37:07 Speaker 1: And there's certainly documentarians and TV shows that want these stories.

1:37:11 Speaker 1: So how do you bridge that gap without alienating the

1:37:14 Speaker 1: people who put their confidence in you? And it took

1:37:17 Speaker 1: us a long time to figure out the policies. I'm

1:37:19 Speaker 1: actually I'm actually the one to figure them out and

1:37:23 Speaker 1: made this work.

1:37:24 Speaker 4: So yeah, so we're making it possible.

1:37:26 Speaker 1: For experiencers that want to share their story more broadly

1:37:29 Speaker 1: to have access to the networks and the outlets.

1:37:33 Speaker 4: That we work with.

1:37:34 Speaker 6: Yeah, I was I was going to say, like, you know, it.

1:37:37 Speaker 4: Kind of a big deal and answering your.

1:37:38 Speaker 6: Question, that is a huge deal because if someone can

1:37:42 Speaker 6: you know, in their reporting, if it's a if it

1:37:45 Speaker 6: is a case of abduction, if they can check a

1:37:48 Speaker 6: box in that you know form that says I'm willing

1:37:52 Speaker 6: to go on camera or talk about it openly, You're

1:37:57 Speaker 6: gonna you'll start, you know, we can start to put

1:38:01 Speaker 6: put people together and like you said, get more stories

1:38:05 Speaker 6: out there. That's when people start seeing patterns and you know,

1:38:08 Speaker 6: this is how we can get together and then be

1:38:10 Speaker 6: stronger as a more united front.

1:38:13 Speaker 4: So well, I got a case right now.

1:38:16 Speaker 1: It's a couple that were driving through the northern Arizona

1:38:22 Speaker 1: Desert the night of the Phoenix Lights.

1:38:24 Speaker 4: They experienced missing.

1:38:25 Speaker 1: Time and they ever since then, they have this thing

1:38:31 Speaker 1: they call it getting buzzed, is when they think they're

1:38:34 Speaker 1: being taken aboard ships and they're ongoing experiencers and one

1:38:40 Speaker 1: of the wife builds top secret satellites for a major

1:38:45 Speaker 1: aerospace contractor. She's one of the people in the sterile

1:38:48 Speaker 1: white suits that crawls around doing that work on these satellites.

1:38:53 Speaker 1: And so you know, she's got to be super protective

1:38:55 Speaker 1: and she doesn't want to go public with her story.

1:38:58 Speaker 1: But there's a lot of people like that.

1:39:00 Speaker 7: Holy, I know.

1:39:01 Speaker 6: And and that's I think what people don't know is

1:39:06 Speaker 6: some of these reports are coming in from like really

1:39:10 Speaker 6: really high up there, and you know, these people have

1:39:14 Speaker 6: everything to lose, nothing to gain, And it sounds like

1:39:18 Speaker 6: that's one of those people.

1:39:20 Speaker 1: Wow, that's Hey, did did I share my music video

1:39:24 Speaker 1: with you?

1:39:25 Speaker 7: No?

1:39:26 Speaker 6: No, I I had heard you talk about this and

1:39:29 Speaker 6: your and your talk at the I believe it was

1:39:31 Speaker 6: when you the move On Symposium of last year.

1:39:36 Speaker 1: You know what, I'll send it to you if you

1:39:38 Speaker 1: want to close out the video with it, you can't.

1:39:40 Speaker 7: Yeah, let's close out with a ron is it UFO.

1:39:43 Speaker 1: Themed So let me tell you about this. It's The

1:39:50 Speaker 1: guitar player is a friend of mine named Adam Schoenfeld.

1:39:53 Speaker 4: His wife is Katie Cook. As her show on Country music.

1:39:56 Speaker 1: Adam Schoenfeld is a is a studio musician and now

1:40:00 Speaker 1: who's played on forty number one songs, and he's Tim

1:40:03 Speaker 1: McGrath's turning guitar player. He's my guitar player for this song.

1:40:07 Speaker 1: And I wrote it and I sing it, and I

1:40:08 Speaker 1: do the electric guitar. I mean, I do the acoustic guitar,

1:40:12 Speaker 1: and it's it's The opening.

1:40:14 Speaker 4: Is done by.

1:40:18 Speaker 1: Oh shoot, don't let me forget his name, the guy

1:40:20 Speaker 1: that does ancient aliens. So you'll hear his voice.

1:40:24 Speaker 7: Oh yes, yes.

1:40:27 Speaker 4: Yes he did.

1:40:28 Speaker 1: He did it for me as a favorite. So this

1:40:30 Speaker 1: is this is my first music video. I started doing

1:40:33 Speaker 1: music when COVID hit and so I'm not I'm not

1:40:36 Speaker 1: like a lifelong musician, but I played when I was

1:40:39 Speaker 1: a kid, and so now I'm cutting a whole album

1:40:41 Speaker 1: and it's all all the songs on the album are about.

1:40:45 Speaker 4: Et stuff.

1:40:46 Speaker 7: Wow.

1:40:47 Speaker 6: Well that's so I'm gonna close the show with that,

1:40:52 Speaker 6: and then right after that the control play. So I

1:40:55 Speaker 6: just want to say, for everyone now, thank you so

1:40:58 Speaker 6: much for doing this run. I think we have a

1:41:02 Speaker 6: lot more to discuss in future conversations. And I think

1:41:06 Speaker 6: I think that, uh, you know, I think we have

1:41:09 Speaker 6: very like minded attitudes in this and.

1:41:12 Speaker 1: Well, people watch accidental truth. It's free for free X

1:41:18 Speaker 1: is going to absolutely blow your minds. It's it's it's

1:41:21 Speaker 1: another labor of love that I've spent years working on,

1:41:25 Speaker 1: and it's all about helping humanity to come to grips

1:41:28 Speaker 1: with the broader reality of what's going on with who

1:41:32 Speaker 1: and what we are, why we're here. And so if

1:41:35 Speaker 1: you can come to this place and do work like that,

1:41:39 Speaker 1: it's nothing but a huge privilege.

1:41:41 Speaker 4: And so that's how I look at it every.

1:41:44 Speaker 6: Day, absolutely and we and we thank you for your

1:41:47 Speaker 6: work and what you do for the UFO community. I

1:41:49 Speaker 6: saw you working firsthand, so I saw how driven you are,

1:41:53 Speaker 6: and that's when I said, you know, I gotta work.

1:41:56 Speaker 6: I get to I got to get this guy on.

1:41:58 Speaker 6: You know, I want to work with them as much

1:42:01 Speaker 6: as I can. You're just you're one of those people

1:42:05 Speaker 6: that I see that that spark and the dedication to

1:42:09 Speaker 6: the craft and you take your what what I will

1:42:13 Speaker 6: say to close it out why I look up to

1:42:16 Speaker 6: you as a filmmaker is you don't use the you know,

1:42:20 Speaker 6: the the X Files music and the scary alien cut

1:42:25 Speaker 6: scenes where it just shows like an extraterrestrial.

1:42:27 Speaker 7: Face and that kind of stuff.

1:42:29 Speaker 6: You take you take your work seriously, and that is

1:42:33 Speaker 6: the only way that others will take this topic seriously.

1:42:37 Speaker 6: So we need more filmmakers like yourself, Like James Fox.

1:42:42 Speaker 6: I thought, what you did, you know, waiting with this

1:42:45 Speaker 6: film for his to come out, so you didn't overlap

1:42:48 Speaker 6: what a professional courtesy of you.

1:42:50 Speaker 7: That's amazing. So it just goes to speak to your character.

1:42:54 Speaker 7: My friend.

1:42:55 Speaker 1: Well, I just you know, nobody wants to make the

1:42:57 Speaker 1: same film. Yeah, and James made Phenomenon, and then and

1:43:02 Speaker 1: then I did Accidental Truth, which some people say was

1:43:04 Speaker 1: it could be you know, well that that launched off

1:43:07 Speaker 1: of that. I didn't do that intentionally, of course, but

1:43:09 Speaker 1: some people have said that. And then James just made

1:43:12 Speaker 1: this which which is kind of a follow up. It

1:43:15 Speaker 1: documents a lot of things that happened after Accidental Truth

1:43:17 Speaker 1: came out. So now I'll do the next one and

1:43:20 Speaker 1: it'll document what happened since the program came out. And

1:43:24 Speaker 1: James and I have been friends for a long time.

1:43:25 Speaker 1: He was at my house when the Phenomenon. The night

1:43:29 Speaker 1: of the Phenomenon's release, he was at my home in

1:43:31 Speaker 1: Soda we interviewed, So yeah.

1:43:35 Speaker 6: He's another that's another one I got to meet in

1:43:36 Speaker 6: a person as well as Chris Bloodsoe at the hearing.

1:43:40 Speaker 4: Sure, yeah, although the whole gang was there.

1:43:43 Speaker 7: Yeah, it was wild.

1:43:45 Speaker 6: It's funny because I haven't really got to talk about

1:43:47 Speaker 6: it with someone aside from.

1:43:50 Speaker 7: Maybe maybe a few but you know, uh you saw.

1:43:53 Speaker 6: I mean it was heavy hitters, man, just look to

1:43:57 Speaker 6: your left and right, heavy hitters everywhere, and uh yeah,

1:44:01 Speaker 6: it was buzzing.

1:44:01 Speaker 7: It was buzzing, you know.

1:44:03 Speaker 1: And and it was really cool when all the Congress

1:44:05 Speaker 1: people came out and shook hands with people in the line.

1:44:08 Speaker 4: You know, it was just like it was a very very.

1:44:12 Speaker 1: It was it was a lot of very close knit

1:44:14 Speaker 1: people at a very important event, and we all you know,

1:44:17 Speaker 1: it was it was fantastic.

1:44:19 Speaker 4: Everybody was accessible and friendly.

1:44:20 Speaker 1: It was it was, it was.

1:44:22 Speaker 7: It was awesome. It was. It was awesome. So Ron,

1:44:25 Speaker 7: thank you so much for joining me.

1:44:27 Speaker 6: Stick around after this obviously, so we'll we'll, we'll, you know,

1:44:32 Speaker 6: say goodbye. But to everyone out there enjoyed this music

1:44:36 Speaker 6: video brought to you by Ron James.

1:44:41 Speaker 7: Wait, no, I wanted it to go full screen.

1:44:44 Speaker 4: There we go.

1:44:52 Speaker 5: Ron James came back from the desert with the tale

1:44:56 Speaker 5: about a life changing alien encounter. What if it were true.

1:46:09 Speaker 1: We most all alone?

1:46:12 Speaker 11: What a thing to ask?

1:46:16 Speaker 4: Things are coming away?

1:46:18 Speaker 1: Undone really off our bath.

1:46:22 Speaker 7: Dreamers here among us?

1:46:25 Speaker 1: You could see in the void.

1:46:29 Speaker 4: Time is running shorter. I've run out of days?

1:46:36 Speaker 1: Really, hs.

1:46:38 Speaker 4: How to help me finny?

1:46:42 Speaker 1: Really hard? How to help me save the day? Really?

1:47:02 Speaker 1: Perhaps you could just reach out? Let us know your here,

1:47:09 Speaker 1: jo uspto, it's us yon' the atlas here. It's just

1:47:16 Speaker 1: that crissis as it all goes up in smoke left

1:47:23 Speaker 1: two ARTI passes.

1:47:26 Speaker 9: Running out of boob.

1:47:29 Speaker 1: Do that you've been coming here?

1:47:32 Speaker 4: Really don't know why?

1:47:35 Speaker 7: Smock on one learn up it go up in your sky.

1:47:42 Speaker 1: Let us crime directive. Yes, side your step haven't been selected?

1:47:52 Speaker 1: What's the master plan? Really? Then, gotta help us seeing.

1:48:05 Speaker 4: I don't help me?

1:48:06 Speaker 1: Safety me.

1:48:15 Speaker 4: That's exactly the point. This is an issue of government transparency.

1:48:20 Speaker 4: It's just a complete cover up.

1:49:00 Speaker 1: To me, the biggest thing that could happen to humanity

1:49:04 Speaker 1: is to.

1:49:05 Speaker 4: Realize that we're a part of something bigger. Sure, as

1:49:26 Speaker 4: we accept that they exist, we are not the greatest anymore. Yeah,

1:49:43 Speaker 4: there's life found in the universe. Look, we already know

1:49:46 Speaker 4: life exist in the university.

1:49:56 Speaker 1: They're not one of ours. Then the question is whose

1:50:00 Speaker 1: are they.

1:50:16 Speaker 5: If a non human intelligence is truly watching us, will

1:50:20 Speaker 5: they help us to overcome our self destructive tendencies. The

1:50:25 Speaker 5: answer is probably no.