''THE UFO TRUTH EMBARGO IS FINISHED" FT. STEVEN BASSETT

0:05 Speaker 1: Confirms. All right, thank you for being absolutely all right.

0:11 Speaker 2: So welcome back to Total Disclosures coverage of Contact in

0:18 Speaker 2: the Desert twenty twenty five event Horizon.

0:22 Speaker 3: Fun for me, this is actually my first UFO conference.

0:24 Speaker 2: I did plenty of con cons when I was.

0:27 Speaker 3: In the Hollywood world. It's a little different, you know.

0:30 Speaker 3: It's weird for me, you know, seeing.

0:32 Speaker 2: All the people that I interacted with or watched or

0:37 Speaker 2: idolized in a certain way, you know, being in the

0:40 Speaker 2: same room with such great minds like Stephen Bassett, who

0:43 Speaker 2: are sitting down with today.

0:45 Speaker 3: Who's You've been in the game so long that the

0:49 Speaker 3: game is I don't know.

0:51 Speaker 1: It's if you live.

0:56 Speaker 4: If you sit by the river long enough, you will

0:58 Speaker 4: see the body flowing by. In this case, we're talking

1:02 Speaker 4: about disclosure.

1:03 Speaker 1: If I sit by the river long enough, I will

1:05 Speaker 1: see disclosure flowing down the river.

1:07 Speaker 4: By the way, So before this, you did comic cons.

1:12 Speaker 1: Yes, well those things were like ten times bigger than that.

1:15 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, okay, so this was because okay, well I

1:17 Speaker 2: never did it like a media training, like like interview

1:20 Speaker 2: after interview after interview after interview. So this is the

1:23 Speaker 2: first time I ever did that, or it was on

1:25 Speaker 2: stage introducing people.

1:28 Speaker 1: So that was the first time.

1:29 Speaker 3: I've ever introduced anyone on stage.

1:30 Speaker 2: I got he was there, you know, I was shaking

1:35 Speaker 2: before it was Yeah, I got all.

1:36 Speaker 1: None of this was under one. Never been to one.

1:38 Speaker 1: I think there was one in New York recently. I

1:40 Speaker 1: happened to be there at the same time and there

1:41 Speaker 1: were some people in Cosplay on the subway and they

1:44 Speaker 1: said there was like two hundred thousand people there. Yeah.

1:47 Speaker 4: Yeah, We're still got a ways to go before we

1:49 Speaker 4: compete with cosplay and Comic Con.

1:51 Speaker 1: It's all right, that's all right, Well we'll take a lot.

1:54 Speaker 3: And contact's a good spot. It's like minded people all

1:57 Speaker 3: time together, you know, owly ideas, but also what the

2:02 Speaker 3: next play is going to be.

2:03 Speaker 5: And speaking of that, with all these whistleblowers like you.

2:07 Speaker 2: Know, doctor Gregory Rodgers from NASA, Matthew Brown coming from

2:13 Speaker 2: uh you know that Maculate Consolation which we were at

2:15 Speaker 2: that hearing with with where that document was entered into

2:20 Speaker 2: Congressional record. You know, since all since the last hearings

2:24 Speaker 2: in November, what what's the next stage is in you know,

2:29 Speaker 2: having another hearing? I know there was supposed to be

2:31 Speaker 2: one and then it was canceled last minute.

2:35 Speaker 3: Do you know what happened there?

2:37 Speaker 4: I have secondhand information about that. But to get that

2:41 Speaker 4: to something earlier you said, you know, I think it

2:43 Speaker 4: was a gladys Knight song. I'm not sure anyway, it's

2:46 Speaker 4: a reigning witnesses hallelujah, all right. I mean, they're they're

2:49 Speaker 4: trying to go faster than I think we can actually

2:51 Speaker 4: kind of deal with.

2:53 Speaker 1: Them in a sense. Right, And let me say.

2:57 Speaker 4: This, I I I am not going to encourage anyone,

3:03 Speaker 4: whether they're working in the military or government or they've

3:06 Speaker 4: retired from military and government, to come forward, right that

3:10 Speaker 4: decision they have to make. But I can say this,

3:13 Speaker 4: the bar, the level of risk and the bar for

3:17 Speaker 4: coming forward is now getting very very low, and so

3:21 Speaker 4: not surprisingly, people are stepping over that bar, which doesn't

3:24 Speaker 4: mean that they don't have maybe some issues, right, it's

3:27 Speaker 4: not that simple, but still it's nothing like it was.

3:32 Speaker 4: And so this accumulation of witnesses is putting huge pressure

3:38 Speaker 4: on the truth in barbo pushing at it. It's only

3:41 Speaker 4: so many of these people, the idea that is just

3:44 Speaker 4: so many people you could have come forward like that,

3:47 Speaker 4: even for military or people that have had that are

3:51 Speaker 4: coming forward and saying I'm a contact day like Jim semivn.

3:53 Speaker 4: Right at some point, you know, that's just it's going

3:55 Speaker 4: to crash. But okay, And so in terms of what's

3:58 Speaker 4: happening on the trail, there are people like yourself and

4:01 Speaker 4: others that are actually up there way more than me.

4:03 Speaker 4: I'm watching kind of at a distance. Plus I'm checking

4:06 Speaker 4: all the news.

4:07 Speaker 1: Articles, which really they really cover it.

4:10 Speaker 4: Yeah, and so my understanding is that there's been a

4:15 Speaker 4: little shuffled on the subcommittee. People have been taking different roles.

4:19 Speaker 4: Certain Birchant was very prominent, Nancy Mason was very prominent,

4:23 Speaker 4: and now Anna Paulina Luna is really prominent, not because

4:27 Speaker 4: not just because she's on the committee that will probably

4:29 Speaker 4: take some more witness testimony, but because again another milestone.

4:36 Speaker 4: The chairman Comer says, let's set up a task force

4:39 Speaker 4: to classify federal secrets.

4:41 Speaker 1: That's actually the name of about it.

4:42 Speaker 3: It's crazy. It's the craziest commit like task force name ever.

4:47 Speaker 4: Well, there's been there have been some very limited attempts,

4:50 Speaker 4: very limited to try to create some secrecy reform. They

4:53 Speaker 4: never go anywhere, virtually never go anywhere, and nothing that

4:57 Speaker 4: Blatant is a task force on playing federal secrets. So,

5:01 Speaker 4: by the way, technically they have a six month mandate initially,

5:04 Speaker 4: which they just extended another six which is cool, but basically,

5:08 Speaker 4: you know whater to declassify the federal secrets, you need

5:10 Speaker 4: about two or three decades. They're just going after a

5:15 Speaker 4: few and they picked some low hanging fruit, which I

5:20 Speaker 4: think was very smart. JFK documents, which everybody wants, right

5:25 Speaker 4: It's a much smaller issue than the e T issue, but.

5:29 Speaker 1: It's kind of.

5:30 Speaker 4: A personal thing with American people. And they started getting documents.

5:34 Speaker 4: They put out some demand letters. I think they'll get more.

5:38 Speaker 4: People are expecting the smoking gun thing to come out

5:41 Speaker 4: right away. They may be shocked, they may end up

5:43 Speaker 4: being confirmatory of the basic who knows. But the point

5:47 Speaker 4: is we want those docs right right, all right. The

5:50 Speaker 4: public shouldn't be left to speculate about issues of great

5:53 Speaker 4: import to them simply because the government is inconvenienced.

5:57 Speaker 1: So that's happening.

5:58 Speaker 4: I know, MLK documents, RFK documents may very well be

6:01 Speaker 4: turning up soon, which just elevates her status and the status.

6:05 Speaker 1: Of the task force.

6:07 Speaker 4: They also want to get the Epstein documents. I'm suggesting

6:11 Speaker 4: that could be a tougher gig only because I mean

6:17 Speaker 4: it's not like the subject matter is major national security, but.

6:20 Speaker 1: The people involved it could be extremely awkward.

6:24 Speaker 4: But I don't, I don't, she's not She's not delaying,

6:28 Speaker 4: I think going after the the UAP material and the

6:31 Speaker 4: disclosure process. So right now things are at a place

6:37 Speaker 4: they've never been before. This task force is got subpoena

6:41 Speaker 4: power if it wants.

6:42 Speaker 1: It, and so hauhi.

6:44 Speaker 4: If I'm inside manager on the Truth in Barbo, I've

6:48 Speaker 4: got to be thinking I need to I need to

6:49 Speaker 4: start preparing for my post Truth in Barbo life, you know, right,

6:53 Speaker 4: take a couple of extra courses or something, because it's

6:56 Speaker 4: God's going to end. The other thing is that you're

7:01 Speaker 4: getting more politicians are getting engaged. I know Representative Burleson

7:07 Speaker 4: has gotten a little more involved. He started out pretty

7:11 Speaker 4: much a basic skeptic but reasonable, and you can see

7:14 Speaker 4: him kind of coming around. And there was this moment

7:17 Speaker 4: in the here the briefing that was put put on

7:23 Speaker 4: by UAP Disclosure Fund with the subcommittees of the committee's

7:28 Speaker 4: sanction and participated where you had six individuals present for

7:35 Speaker 4: a while and get asked a few questions by the moderator,

7:38 Speaker 4: and one of those witnesses was Eric Davis, who that

7:42 Speaker 4: was kind of a I don't recall Eric Davis being

7:45 Speaker 4: in that situation. Maybe he has been, but I don't

7:47 Speaker 4: think he's I don't know if he's testified before Congress.

7:50 Speaker 3: I don't think so. We've been calling for it for

7:52 Speaker 3: a while.

7:52 Speaker 4: Yeah, but he is. He is an interesting guy with

7:55 Speaker 4: an interesting pass. He's been in everything, kind of thinking

7:58 Speaker 4: he's kind.

7:59 Speaker 1: Of the the little bit wild and crazy scientists, right

8:03 Speaker 1: but real.

8:04 Speaker 4: I mean he's been involved in the heavy duty secret

8:07 Speaker 4: stuff including remote viewing and so forth, almost everything. It's

8:10 Speaker 4: like he's the guy you're gonna do this crazy stuff

8:12 Speaker 4: or whatever. Very exotic we need Eric, right, So he

8:17 Speaker 4: he Galadat testifies, I mean not testifies, but speaks, and

8:21 Speaker 4: then doctor Davis speaks, and then it goes to some

8:25 Speaker 4: questions and some of them came from the moderator, but

8:28 Speaker 4: Eric Burlinson.

8:29 Speaker 1: Was right next to him, and so he decided to

8:30 Speaker 1: ask the questions.

8:32 Speaker 4: And this is so cool because he's such a nice

8:35 Speaker 4: guy and he's not not uh, he doesn't.

8:40 Speaker 1: He's very calm, doesn't get two worked up, and he.

8:43 Speaker 4: Just says, well, I've heard that there's a number of

8:45 Speaker 4: different kinds of and I'm thinking, oh, that's good. So

8:52 Speaker 4: i don't know what people expected. But Eric just looks

8:54 Speaker 4: at him and goes, oh, yes, we have the insectoids,

8:57 Speaker 4: we have the reptilians, we have the Nordics, and of

9:00 Speaker 4: course the grace. He may have called the insectoids insectalons

9:05 Speaker 4: and whatever the hell. And I'm just sitting there, well

9:07 Speaker 4: that I haven't seen that happen in the Rayburn building.

9:11 Speaker 1: Before, or any congressional building.

9:13 Speaker 4: And it's on camera, being livestream, and so if I'm again,

9:17 Speaker 4: if I'm a Truth and Barber manager.

9:18 Speaker 1: They're supposed to keep the I'm sitting there going on, no,

9:22 Speaker 1: this is not good. What are we gonna do? So

9:26 Speaker 1: that was a cool moment. I love that there was

9:30 Speaker 1: something else that happened.

9:32 Speaker 4: Again that you're asking about kind of where things are going,

9:35 Speaker 4: And again I'm getting it from the outside view.

9:37 Speaker 1: I can't keep it the first hand. You know. We

9:40 Speaker 1: went to lunch and we talked for hours.

9:41 Speaker 4: But a very impressive woman by the name of Anna

9:47 Speaker 4: pretty Estiv was on the panel.

9:50 Speaker 1: I'd never heard of it. Yeah. Either she launches into

9:55 Speaker 1: a fairly lengthy description of.

9:57 Speaker 4: What she's doing and what's happening, and and I didn't

10:03 Speaker 4: quite get all of it, but I've had I've talked

10:05 Speaker 4: to some other people, and she apparently she's working for

10:09 Speaker 4: the government and she was in charge of something very heavy.

10:15 Speaker 1: I don't know.

10:15 Speaker 4: I wish I knew. I'm sorry, but she had a

10:18 Speaker 4: pretty substantial position.

10:19 Speaker 1: She left it.

10:19 Speaker 4: I think she she left it and immediately because of

10:25 Speaker 4: her extensive background, she has degrees in engineering, she went

10:29 Speaker 4: to Yale, She's also been involved, she has a very

10:31 Speaker 4: substantial career and a lot of contacts. Immediately started setting

10:35 Speaker 4: up a very very large tech fund to do technology

10:40 Speaker 4: of alternative nature but also connected to the UAP.

10:45 Speaker 1: And she's backed by serious, serious.

10:47 Speaker 4: People, right, And I think the indeed they created was

10:51 Speaker 4: pretty good. Enemy's called deep tech. Yeah, and so, and

10:55 Speaker 4: I looked at it a little bit more. I think

10:57 Speaker 4: she is about to become a thing, meaning.

11:01 Speaker 1: She's I don't know how to describe, but you know,

11:03 Speaker 1: there are these funds out there, and usually they're very male.

11:06 Speaker 4: Dominated, and they do this, they do that. This is

11:09 Speaker 4: pretty much a woman dominated program coming from that perspective

11:14 Speaker 4: with huge clout, and I think once it gets more public,

11:18 Speaker 4: she is going to be a major player on this field.

11:22 Speaker 1: It's absolutely brilliant. So that was exciting to me that

11:25 Speaker 1: happened there. So then see.

11:30 Speaker 4: Anything happen now and so okay, And with respect to

11:34 Speaker 4: the hearings those that are following the political situation, which

11:38 Speaker 4: I have to do.

11:40 Speaker 1: It comes with a job.

11:42 Speaker 4: It's not exactly stabilizing yet. So and then we have

11:47 Speaker 4: serious matter still overseas, non trivial stuff. Ukraine smuggled some

11:53 Speaker 4: drones into Russia, was able to get them by truck

11:56 Speaker 4: or something near a major base three thousand kilometers away

12:00 Speaker 4: and destroy for forty Russian big time bombers and creating

12:05 Speaker 4: quite a scene.

12:07 Speaker 1: Uh. There you have that.

12:08 Speaker 4: And then of course the situation in Gaza. Every every

12:10 Speaker 4: week something awful happens. I'm not being partisan here, I'm

12:14 Speaker 4: just saying.

12:15 Speaker 3: And then the Indian Pakistan just started stirring up.

12:17 Speaker 1: Again, and Pakistan went around again. Seemed a little worse

12:21 Speaker 1: than usual. So it's not.

12:23 Speaker 6: Surprising that the et issue and it's engagement by Congress

12:30 Speaker 6: and so forth, it's such as rocketing through no way,

12:33 Speaker 6: but it never goes backward.

12:35 Speaker 1: It's always kind of inching forward, right right.

12:39 Speaker 7: And so.

12:41 Speaker 4: Anna plane Aluna indicated a while back that she had

12:45 Speaker 4: a plan and it was a good plan.

12:47 Speaker 1: She's gonna have a skiff.

12:48 Speaker 4: She wanted two or three people in their big time

12:50 Speaker 4: and that that's where she could then hear things that

12:53 Speaker 4: they can say, and she can hear, but nobody else can.

12:55 Speaker 4: You don't want that, and that why. One of the

12:58 Speaker 4: reasons you do that is you get some very important

13:00 Speaker 4: information that you can't speak about, but it helps you

13:04 Speaker 4: to plan who to bring in for witnesses and kind

13:07 Speaker 4: of where to go very appropriate. Then she scheduled the

13:10 Speaker 4: hearing for I think I think it was April twelve.

13:13 Speaker 4: And in the meantime you had you had the UAP

13:15 Speaker 4: Disclosure Fund, which is a very big deal coming forward.

13:19 Speaker 4: They put on this event, uh and that I was

13:22 Speaker 4: referred to, Well, the skiff didn't happen because people got sick.

13:26 Speaker 1: I think ultimately is what we were told. People got sick,

13:28 Speaker 1: and I think that's several of the people got sick.

13:30 Speaker 1: Skiff sickness, skiff sickness, yes, or skiff fear.

13:34 Speaker 4: And and so she canceled that, which kind of made

13:37 Speaker 4: it awkward, I think for the hearing, and so she

13:39 Speaker 4: then moved that till later in May, though I think

13:43 Speaker 4: it still hasn't happened. And then there was going to

13:46 Speaker 4: be a skiff at the end of May, and I

13:48 Speaker 4: did you do you know if that took place, the

13:50 Speaker 4: one that postponed. So it's all gotten postponed all again

13:53 Speaker 4: because of all the stuff that happened in May. Right,

13:56 Speaker 4: no problem, no problem with this, no problem whatsoever. So

14:00 Speaker 4: there's no question that she's going to have more hearings.

14:03 Speaker 4: She's actually said she's gonna have two. And what was

14:06 Speaker 4: remarkable about that is he said she wanted government witness

14:10 Speaker 4: and I got the government witness for witnesses for her,

14:12 Speaker 4: and I know they know about them. That is the

14:14 Speaker 4: nuclear shutdown witnesses, Palace and Shindo lay and Robert Chaison

14:20 Speaker 4: might have to present a you know, a right written

14:24 Speaker 4: report to be celebtic because he's delivered to the committee.

14:27 Speaker 1: You know, he's he has some health issues.

14:30 Speaker 4: But then we've got Robert Jacobs, he'd come in a second, right,

14:34 Speaker 4: And then we've got this new gentleman that Ross Coulthart

14:38 Speaker 4: is interviewing another sac based gentleman, which I didn't even

14:40 Speaker 4: know about. Uh so we have plenty And then and

14:43 Speaker 4: the nuclear shutdown testimony is probably the most powerful. I

14:48 Speaker 4: have nothing against tick TACs, you know, nothing against tick tacks.

14:52 Speaker 4: And and and Grush was incredible though obviously secondhand. Okay,

14:58 Speaker 4: these are nuclear sacked based offers firsthand when the things

15:02 Speaker 4: shut down. No, many other witnesses that won't come forward,

15:06 Speaker 4: but can be alluded to as part of the whole

15:08 Speaker 4: research that Robert Hastings did. And I'd love for him

15:12 Speaker 4: to be in a position to be able to come

15:13 Speaker 4: in and testify. Don't know, he has his issues. Now

15:16 Speaker 4: we're all up in age. But those that that testimony

15:19 Speaker 4: under oath, that's a that's a killer. I mean, if

15:24 Speaker 4: I again, if I'm the truth in Burger managers, I'm

15:26 Speaker 4: packing my bag.

15:27 Speaker 3: That one I would I seriously. And then and I

15:30 Speaker 3: said this, and you know, I.

15:33 Speaker 2: Luckily was this morning able to sit Bob and Dave

15:37 Speaker 2: down in the same room, you know, and we were

15:39 Speaker 2: able to walk Bob into Nancy Mays's office after the hearing.

15:43 Speaker 3: And you know, she had made that comment like, oh,

15:45 Speaker 3: I would really love to do an ET and nuke.

15:49 Speaker 1: Hearing.

15:50 Speaker 2: So like we know, it's in the ether, right, it's

15:53 Speaker 2: in the it's it's out there, and it's now. It's

15:55 Speaker 2: about making it a reality and pulling these people on

15:58 Speaker 2: their word and you know, really mounting that kind of pressure.

16:03 Speaker 2: But you're right that testimony if anyone has a vested

16:08 Speaker 2: interest in national security and they can sit through a

16:11 Speaker 2: hearing with Bob and all that testimony is given and

16:14 Speaker 2: you don't shake in your seat.

16:17 Speaker 4: Well again, I'm not shaking the sense of fear. I

16:20 Speaker 4: don't think the testimony should be fearful. It's talking about

16:23 Speaker 4: ETS shutting down our missiles in the sixties, maybe into

16:26 Speaker 4: the seventies, also shutting down some Soviet missiles, turning them

16:31 Speaker 4: on little scare tacking, not damaged, get them back on.

16:35 Speaker 4: And there's other evidence corroborating, because I can get into

16:38 Speaker 4: if you want that. The the intent of what that

16:42 Speaker 4: was was not threatening. It was something else. It was

16:46 Speaker 4: a message to us that they were hoping we would hear.

16:50 Speaker 4: And because there's other testimony about other things that they

16:53 Speaker 4: have done which kind of supports that. So with that

16:58 Speaker 4: in mind, look, I like to say that any of

17:02 Speaker 4: the members of the subcommittee or any other members you know,

17:07 Speaker 4: such as Representative Burlison and Representative Luna moscow.

17:11 Speaker 1: Witz and so forth.

17:14 Speaker 4: It was a very important thing when you brought Bob

17:16 Speaker 4: Sallas in to meet the Representative Mace and she, you know,

17:19 Speaker 4: I was given the privilege to sit in on it.

17:21 Speaker 1: I had a chance to talk with it. Apparently she

17:24 Speaker 1: stepped back. That's kind of.

17:25 Speaker 4: Unfortunate, but whatever. They got a lot of lots of

17:27 Speaker 4: stuff to do.

17:29 Speaker 1: But I would love to bring one or two of

17:31 Speaker 1: those witnesses, maybe Shindelli Bob again, to maybe meet the

17:35 Speaker 1: same way with you and put on film with the

17:38 Speaker 1: Representative Burleson.

17:39 Speaker 4: Alone or any of the committee that would like to

17:42 Speaker 4: get a little more involved. My office is just two

17:45 Speaker 4: blocks in the White House, and so I'm able to

17:47 Speaker 4: maneuver and do that kind of easily. I don't have

17:49 Speaker 4: to fly in right from town like you do. But

17:52 Speaker 4: you know, this is what kind of thing I really

17:54 Speaker 4: want to do more of. I'm an activist, but not

17:58 Speaker 4: I am a registered lobby but I don't really lobby,

18:01 Speaker 4: and there was I'm not constantly calling it a meeting

18:03 Speaker 4: because I want to do this. I'm an activist trying

18:06 Speaker 4: to work a number of things while watching the Congress.

18:09 Speaker 4: But I think it's time that maybe have a little more.

18:12 Speaker 1: Inside uh moments like we had with Mace, because I

18:16 Speaker 1: do have a particular perspective on this. It's not inside,

18:20 Speaker 1: it's outside, uh.

18:22 Speaker 4: And it's because I'm following the media intensely and I'm

18:25 Speaker 4: following how.

18:25 Speaker 1: People handle the issue on social.

18:27 Speaker 4: Media, right, and so I give a perspective that could

18:30 Speaker 4: be useful to members of Congress that are trying to

18:33 Speaker 4: contemplate the risk and how to deal with it.

18:36 Speaker 1: And so forth. And that's kind of what I bring

18:38 Speaker 1: to the table.

18:39 Speaker 3: The advantage point.

18:40 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, I like.

18:41 Speaker 2: All source advantage point rather than just this or that.

18:46 Speaker 3: It's an all source where you're.

18:48 Speaker 1: Yeah, you need, you need, you need a lot of perspectives,

18:51 Speaker 1: and I clearly have I think a distinctive one because

18:54 Speaker 1: of thirty years now almost of doing nothing to focus

18:57 Speaker 1: on this. I mean, I don't have a dog. I

19:00 Speaker 1: love dogs, but I can't have a dog because I

19:01 Speaker 1: just focus on this, right. The dog would not do well.

19:04 Speaker 1: So the other thing was that Annathlin Lula said she

19:07 Speaker 1: wanted second hearing. And she said, and you may remember,

19:10 Speaker 1: she said, I want this appointees. I want to have

19:12 Speaker 1: a hearing with appointees.

19:13 Speaker 4: Now, that really caught my attention, because what are appointees.

19:18 Speaker 4: Appointees are people that the president has appointed.

19:21 Speaker 1: To the do D and the CIA, and.

19:24 Speaker 4: The National Security Office and the Homeland Security. That's the

19:29 Speaker 4: appointee she's talking about me, not appointees to the Department

19:33 Speaker 4: of Agriculture. And so I'm thinking, Okay, you bring in

19:38 Speaker 4: an appointed a high level BOD person, couldn't be the

19:42 Speaker 4: sec def don't know. You bring in another one from there?

19:44 Speaker 4: Now you put them in the hearing under oath and

19:50 Speaker 4: start asking them questions. That takes it to another level.

19:55 Speaker 4: I mean, you probably couldn't even do it unless the

20:01 Speaker 4: President of the White House was happy with them going

20:05 Speaker 4: under oath on questions about UAPs, meaning that you were

20:10 Speaker 4: you were down with them doing that because you wanted

20:14 Speaker 4: to get your administration engaged in this issue. It's the

20:19 Speaker 4: perfect way for the administration to get into the issue

20:22 Speaker 4: when appointees are able to make candid comments under oath

20:25 Speaker 4: to a committee.

20:26 Speaker 1: Right, it's like a step before the big step, the

20:29 Speaker 1: big step.

20:29 Speaker 3: Right, It's it's the warm up. Right, You're getting closer

20:33 Speaker 3: and closer.

20:34 Speaker 1: Well, you're looking in the White House to the issue

20:35 Speaker 1: right now. Maybe that's what she's thinking. Maybe that's not

20:38 Speaker 1: the plan.

20:39 Speaker 4: I don't know, but it's the kind of thing that

20:41 Speaker 4: get my attention, all right.

20:43 Speaker 1: And the other thing I don't want to say is

20:46 Speaker 1: less I forget. I don't mean to be too long.

20:49 Speaker 4: But the message that I gave it at this conference,

20:53 Speaker 4: the message I'm giving in the podcast, and I've gotten

20:56 Speaker 4: many lined up and more coming, I mean end up,

21:00 Speaker 4: and I've just done a bunch.

21:02 Speaker 2: Is this.

21:04 Speaker 4: The two key messages that I'm always putting well, one

21:06 Speaker 4: key message I'm always putting out in the new one.

21:08 Speaker 4: The key messages I'm always putting out that I hope

21:10 Speaker 4: people will hear and understand because I want people to

21:13 Speaker 4: be happy.

21:14 Speaker 1: I want them to be calm. And that's this.

21:18 Speaker 4: Everything has been happening since to the Stars Academy and

21:21 Speaker 4: Melon and Alizondo and those getting getting going and approaching

21:25 Speaker 4: the hill and starting to elevate the level of understanding

21:28 Speaker 4: on the hill and all a media coverage and so forth,

21:31 Speaker 4: in the creation of the task Force, the creation of

21:33 Speaker 4: arrow pieces of legislation.

21:36 Speaker 1: All of that pretty cool.

21:38 Speaker 4: Most of the American people are watching this going They're

21:42 Speaker 4: going to go find out what's going on. They're creating

21:45 Speaker 4: all the stuff to go find out what's going on.

21:46 Speaker 4: That's not it, not sign it at all. None of

21:48 Speaker 4: this has anything to do with that. They already know

21:51 Speaker 4: what's going on. They know what's in the sky. They

21:54 Speaker 4: have vehicles, they have bodies. They've been using vast sums

21:57 Speaker 4: of money to track everything they can, because this is

22:01 Speaker 4: a true national security matter, and they've been doing it

22:03 Speaker 4: for seventy years.

22:04 Speaker 1: Right, So, and then why are we going through all

22:07 Speaker 1: of this if they already know, they just tell us

22:09 Speaker 1: and we move on. Right. No, their problem is not

22:14 Speaker 1: what they know. It's the truth embargo.

22:16 Speaker 4: It's what they withheld, the fact that they had to

22:18 Speaker 4: lie about this for national security reasons, going all the

22:20 Speaker 4: way back to the Truman's decision to hold off and

22:25 Speaker 4: have General Raimi kind of do something to give us

22:27 Speaker 4: some time, and eventually the time has now been seventy

22:30 Speaker 4: eight years.

22:31 Speaker 2: I wonder if he even you know, I wonder if

22:37 Speaker 2: he could see.

22:38 Speaker 3: How long it went, would he have still made the

22:40 Speaker 3: call you made.

22:42 Speaker 1: Oh well, if you can see into the future of

22:43 Speaker 1: the things, I can see it. In the future.

22:47 Speaker 4: I can tell you make some serious changes no, I

22:51 Speaker 4: think he didn't know what was going to happen. But

22:55 Speaker 4: they had a clear indication that something with the Soviet

22:58 Speaker 4: Union is developing and it wasn't going to be good.

23:00 Speaker 4: Plus that the Soviet und had the secrets, they had

23:02 Speaker 4: the atomic and hydrogen bomb secrets, and they knew from

23:06 Speaker 4: their intelligence they were going to start testing. I mean

23:08 Speaker 4: they dropped the first hydrogen or was atomic in fifty three?

23:11 Speaker 4: I think yeah, it might have been fifty three. So

23:14 Speaker 4: any knowe that meant missiles, bombs enemy. There you go,

23:18 Speaker 4: huge national security problem West versus the enemy again, and

23:21 Speaker 4: China was not.

23:22 Speaker 1: Really a factor yet they probably figured.

23:24 Speaker 4: Out where that was going to go. And so and

23:26 Speaker 4: what happened is as each year after the roswell and

23:31 Speaker 4: that decision, things never got better. They only got worse,

23:36 Speaker 4: and you start seeing the build up of a nuclear

23:38 Speaker 4: armors arsenal.

23:39 Speaker 1: So it doesn't surprise me.

23:40 Speaker 4: The decision to see what's going to happen turned into

23:44 Speaker 4: we're not touching that until somehow this gets sorted out.

23:48 Speaker 4: Because this is a tip from tip to mister Brumsfeldt

23:54 Speaker 4: who was no longer with us. Yeah, you're gonna you're

23:59 Speaker 4: gonna tell the world officially that were not alone. And

24:02 Speaker 4: you've got some teching bodies and things. So in other words,

24:04 Speaker 4: we got visitors almost certainly from another star. Do you

24:08 Speaker 4: know all the unknown unknowns that are going to happen

24:12 Speaker 4: after that? You can probably think of a few unknowns, right,

24:16 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, we don't, but the unknown unknowns.

24:19 Speaker 1: And if one of.

24:19 Speaker 4: Those happens to lead to a destabilization of the force

24:24 Speaker 4: and somebody launches a nuke, that's on your resume.

24:26 Speaker 1: Now that's it. Yep, I caused nuclear war. You know.

24:30 Speaker 1: I was trying to do my best, Okay, so they

24:33 Speaker 1: just they said this, I put it off the table,

24:35 Speaker 1: and it didn't really have a chance to truly make

24:38 Speaker 1: progress until after the Cold War ended and you had

24:42 Speaker 1: the elimination of the Communist Party, so the area round

24:44 Speaker 1: ninety one, and there was things that happened right after that.

24:49 Speaker 1: I speculate that if George H. W.

24:52 Speaker 4: Buss had won that election, things might have been different,

24:54 Speaker 4: might have gone very fat, much more faster, much faster,

24:58 Speaker 4: because he was he was the guy that you would

25:00 Speaker 4: want to be president if you're going to make them,

25:02 Speaker 4: if you're the DoD in the military intelligence complex, want

25:04 Speaker 4: to make a major move like that, he's a man guy.

25:07 Speaker 1: They didn't win. The president was not their man. Nope,

25:10 Speaker 1: not their man.

25:11 Speaker 4: And so but there's still engagement during that administration. So

25:14 Speaker 4: more time goes by ninety one to twenty twenty, twenty seventeen,

25:19 Speaker 4: which is like another's twenty six years.

25:21 Speaker 2: Well yeah, I mean, because you could argue that there

25:24 Speaker 2: was another attempt in two thousand and one with the

25:28 Speaker 2: National Press come event and you know, flying all those

25:31 Speaker 2: witnesses in, and then nine to eleven happens a couple

25:33 Speaker 2: months later.

25:34 Speaker 4: That was a civilian attempt, though I'm referring to inside

25:37 Speaker 4: and that's the attempt that Clinton administration.

25:39 Speaker 3: Tried, right right right.

25:41 Speaker 4: But because it was loosened up, you had some dramatic

25:44 Speaker 4: but that was still ten years after the Cold War.

25:46 Speaker 4: But Stephen Grier's work comes to it, that early work

25:48 Speaker 4: comes to a culmination with and that.

25:51 Speaker 1: But that's us trying to get the truth in Barboe.

25:53 Speaker 1: It had prospects, it had possibilities.

25:56 Speaker 4: But once again, like we see now, history which is

25:59 Speaker 4: like a giant hide that goes wherever the hell it wants,

26:02 Speaker 4: jumps in and just a couple of months later you

26:05 Speaker 4: have nine to one one and whatever was going on

26:07 Speaker 4: there is completely.

26:09 Speaker 1: Shut it to the side. So we go through more

26:11 Speaker 1: and more. We finally get.

26:13 Speaker 4: To a breakthrough, and that's the two of the Stars

26:15 Speaker 4: Academy group, their bios and photos out there saying we

26:19 Speaker 4: are we're willing to go after this issue, and there's

26:21 Speaker 4: a platform, they have a company and all that kind

26:23 Speaker 4: of stuff.

26:24 Speaker 1: And that's fine.

26:25 Speaker 4: But it was several of those individuals in that group

26:28 Speaker 4: that helped deliver the New York Times stories by Blumenthal,

26:32 Speaker 4: Endlesslie Kane and these were that was the switch. The

26:36 Speaker 4: New York Times stories hit a switch that turned on

26:41 Speaker 4: some motors and lights and stuff. And from that point

26:43 Speaker 4: and forward, we were not going back and we haven't.

26:47 Speaker 4: And so at some point the people that came forward

26:55 Speaker 4: there were trying to get disclosure. I believe that's what

26:59 Speaker 4: they wanted. That's what they want it. But they probably knew,

27:03 Speaker 4: and you know, I haven't talked to them directly, they

27:05 Speaker 4: probably knew that, Okay, we're trying to get disclosure, all right,

27:09 Speaker 4: but it's not there's a process that's going to have

27:12 Speaker 4: to happen, right, And they were acknowledging that process, and

27:15 Speaker 4: they were bringing witnesses up and educating and so forth,

27:18 Speaker 4: and eventually getting legislation and what have you.

27:22 Speaker 1: But and so in a sense they understood this.

27:25 Speaker 4: In other words, we have to have this process to

27:27 Speaker 4: finally get the ultimate confirmation, and that's the process you've

27:31 Speaker 4: been seeing. But the problem is they already know about

27:34 Speaker 4: the eteth presence. And I think the people that were

27:37 Speaker 4: working this, like Melon and so forth, know that they

27:39 Speaker 4: know that there's any t presence. But here is the dilemma.

27:44 Speaker 4: You're going to do all this stuff and somebody asks

27:46 Speaker 4: you why, Well, you know, we have extraterrestrials here, so

27:50 Speaker 4: we need to create a task for us.

27:51 Speaker 1: Oh, you have extraterrestrials here.

27:53 Speaker 4: Disclosure, right, or at least it puts the administration on

27:56 Speaker 4: the spot.

27:57 Speaker 1: So you have to do all of this stuff.

28:00 Speaker 4: Who could create a platform for disclosure and confirmation from

28:04 Speaker 4: the president, But you can't tell them why because obviously

28:08 Speaker 4: as a disclosure, so you basically put context it in

28:11 Speaker 4: a reasonable way. We're really going to try to get

28:14 Speaker 4: to the bottom of this, and we're going to figure

28:15 Speaker 4: out what this is. Now most of the American people

28:18 Speaker 4: are going right on, but everybody in the field that

28:21 Speaker 4: knows anything at all is going Are you kidding me?

28:23 Speaker 3: Right?

28:24 Speaker 1: That's where I come in, because while I understand why

28:27 Speaker 1: they're going, oh man.

28:29 Speaker 4: I totally accept this. This has it has to be

28:33 Speaker 4: this way, all right. It's a little awkward, and they'll

28:36 Speaker 4: be asked about that.

28:37 Speaker 1: You, I mean, you knew all along, and the answer

28:40 Speaker 1: will be, well, look, you know, we had to have

28:42 Speaker 1: an orderly process. This is a big deal.

28:45 Speaker 4: And so the whole this whole seven years, is to

28:48 Speaker 4: put make it very simple, using a simple analogy, is

28:52 Speaker 4: to build, through legislation and hearings and education and media

28:57 Speaker 4: engagement at the highest level, a nice platform for solid,

29:01 Speaker 4: well built that could sit in the East room right

29:04 Speaker 4: there at the end of cross Hall, that the President

29:07 Speaker 4: could walk down the hall and step up on that

29:09 Speaker 4: platform with all that's happened and say, based upon reports

29:14 Speaker 4: and understandings and briefings I've had for my top people,

29:18 Speaker 4: I can confirm as the president that these statements and

29:21 Speaker 4: the reality of our having crash vehicles, re engineering programs,

29:25 Speaker 4: and bodies is absolutely true, which means, however you want

29:29 Speaker 4: to say it, we're not alone.

29:32 Speaker 1: And then instead of a reaction like what and the media.

29:37 Speaker 4: Goes nuts again the bite, the political partisanship jumps in

29:40 Speaker 4: and they attack.

29:42 Speaker 1: No. I mean, the first thing that.

29:43 Speaker 4: Comes to mind when the president says that is all

29:45 Speaker 4: this other effort, the platform process that built it. And

29:48 Speaker 4: they're going, well, of course, thank you, mister president. And

29:52 Speaker 4: we're in the post disclosure world, and I am celebrating.

29:55 Speaker 4: I'm raising my speaking rates, absolutely, spending money I shouldn't spend,

30:02 Speaker 4: and building planning a world.

30:04 Speaker 1: Term knows what else because I don't have a lot

30:06 Speaker 1: of years left, so I got to compact the celebration.

30:09 Speaker 1: You know, that's what it's about. So that's one of

30:13 Speaker 1: the things that people want people to get.

30:15 Speaker 2: And you know, it seems obvious to me, but I

30:21 Speaker 2: feel as a president, I would want.

30:24 Speaker 3: To be Now.

30:27 Speaker 2: I don't think it's a secret that Donald Trump as

30:30 Speaker 2: a president will always be looked at one by history

30:35 Speaker 2: as kind of what happened there, right, And that's okay,

30:39 Speaker 2: But he could really make his mark in history by

30:44 Speaker 2: being the disclosure president.

30:46 Speaker 3: Well, I'm change the optics completely.

30:48 Speaker 4: Well, let's assume that he doesn't feel the optics need

30:51 Speaker 4: to be changed, and let's assume that he feels he's

30:52 Speaker 4: already making testry, which is fine.

30:54 Speaker 1: That's okay, Right, here's where can say this is the

30:58 Speaker 1: other part that the second half of what I was

31:01 Speaker 1: going to bring it up. Okay, so the platform is

31:04 Speaker 1: being built, that's all great.

31:06 Speaker 4: But there have been opportunities for every president, going back

31:10 Speaker 4: to Truman to do this. Every president has known about

31:13 Speaker 4: et presidents. Those that somehow think that this the people

31:18 Speaker 4: behind the truth and bargo and the deep State or

31:20 Speaker 4: whatever kept it from the presidents, they don't. This is

31:24 Speaker 4: not realistic at all. You're the most powerful man pretty

31:28 Speaker 4: much in the world. You're you're you have an incredible responsibilities,

31:32 Speaker 4: and you have huge numbers of people that you're interacting with,

31:35 Speaker 4: and many of them are extremely well connected. And so

31:38 Speaker 4: the idea that nobody's going to take you aside at

31:40 Speaker 4: some point at a lunch, at a meeting or whatever

31:43 Speaker 4: the hell, and just say, mister president, by the way,

31:46 Speaker 4: and if you didn't know this, this this phenomenon is

31:48 Speaker 4: extraterrestrial and we are dealing with it, I would recommend

31:52 Speaker 4: that you don't go there because this is very tough

31:55 Speaker 4: politically and otherwise, but just letting you know. Yeah, and

31:59 Speaker 4: that's true for major figures in Hollywood who have huge power,

32:03 Speaker 4: huge amount of money.

32:04 Speaker 1: I don't think people are going to take them aside.

32:06 Speaker 1: Gleeson was was was actually taken to it to see

32:09 Speaker 1: some bodies by Nixon was taking a scene and I

32:14 Speaker 1: talked to the witnesses on that, including Charlie McLain.

32:17 Speaker 4: And NW the way, so they know every single one

32:19 Speaker 4: is no. But they've chosen not to go there. And

32:22 Speaker 4: the reasons they're going to be always the same. It's

32:24 Speaker 4: a really politically risky it's national security. It's going to

32:28 Speaker 4: be distracting, it could have political damage to you. We're

32:32 Speaker 4: not sure the unknowns, we don't have enough information whatever,

32:34 Speaker 4: and these all these fine presidents are going, well, you know,

32:38 Speaker 4: I'm a very sober thinking person and I understand what

32:41 Speaker 4: you're saying.

32:42 Speaker 1: And yeah, I'll go there. Now, I won't go there.

32:45 Speaker 4: Carter was an exception on his own, and he made

32:50 Speaker 4: an effort, but he had no platform and they weren't

32:53 Speaker 4: going to give him that platform. So but it became

32:57 Speaker 4: known through the work of Grant Cameron and a thousand

33:00 Speaker 4: ages of documents which I have and he has that

33:02 Speaker 4: it happened, which we then used and you know, crete

33:04 Speaker 4: it out there to just let people know and it's.

33:07 Speaker 1: Played a good role. But now we have a platform.

33:09 Speaker 4: Now the question do we have a president given that

33:12 Speaker 4: we have a platform, Now it's not going to go, well,

33:15 Speaker 4: this is you know, this is interesting and so forth.

33:17 Speaker 4: But there's a lot of unknowns here and and uh,

33:21 Speaker 4: maybe I should defer to the Pentagon and so forth.

33:24 Speaker 1: We don't have the kind of president. Now.

33:26 Speaker 4: We have a rather unique situation where we have a

33:29 Speaker 4: president that basically won is going to do whatever the

33:32 Speaker 4: hell he wants to do.

33:34 Speaker 1: Period.

33:35 Speaker 4: Secondly, the people that might talk him out of it,

33:38 Speaker 4: they're they're really not there. He has put in general

33:42 Speaker 4: people in there that are very much in a loyalty position.

33:46 Speaker 2: Uh.

33:46 Speaker 4: And I think much most mostly concerned about supporting what

33:49 Speaker 4: the president wants to do then talking about to doing it,

33:52 Speaker 4: not that that doesn't happen.

33:54 Speaker 1: And so by and large we have an ideal situation. Uh.

33:58 Speaker 4: And then the second thing is we have a present

34:00 Speaker 4: it that is very much interested in legacy and accomplishments

34:07 Speaker 4: and being appreciated acknowledged. And well, simple truth is, and

34:14 Speaker 4: I've said this now for thirty years and it hasn't changed,

34:19 Speaker 4: is the first head of state to confirm the extraterrestrial

34:23 Speaker 4: presence to the world. Then that will be followed by

34:27 Speaker 4: other heads of state coming in right behind. Won't take

34:30 Speaker 4: long and they're not going to sit back. Certainly of

34:33 Speaker 4: our allies. I don't know about changing Ping and Puden,

34:36 Speaker 4: they may hold off, but I think they'll actually come

34:38 Speaker 4: out pretty quick to themselves. But they'll be second, and

34:42 Speaker 4: it will be a global situation, and that's the way

34:44 Speaker 4: it should be. But the president or that leader that

34:47 Speaker 4: does it first gets a legacy of almost incalculable value.

34:51 Speaker 2: It's unfathomable, like it would be in every history.

34:55 Speaker 3: Book going forward forever and rewritten the previous.

35:00 Speaker 4: It's the course of history. Now it's more than just

35:02 Speaker 4: one person. But still, you know how it is with history, Yeah,

35:05 Speaker 4: the same as we look back in.

35:06 Speaker 1: Time to know, well, Alexandra did this and that changed everything. No,

35:11 Speaker 1: President Trump will have a legacy and he will be

35:15 Speaker 1: known as someone who literally changed the course of history.

35:18 Speaker 1: I think for the better. I think so, And that's

35:20 Speaker 1: simply a fact.

35:22 Speaker 4: And so now, given everything else, I kind of know

35:25 Speaker 4: that's going on, and I'm always kind of aware and

35:29 Speaker 4: I tend to always be positive about disclosure happening, though

35:31 Speaker 4: I know sometimes it's really not like they all kind

35:34 Speaker 4: of downplay it. I never pick a date that's crazy,

35:37 Speaker 4: say it's going to happen on the state. But I'll

35:40 Speaker 4: say it looks really good this year. Right, we have

35:41 Speaker 4: good possibilities. This is what you, as an activist have

35:45 Speaker 4: to do. You can't be going out saying, well.

35:47 Speaker 1: Things are looking not too bad, but it could take

35:49 Speaker 1: another ten or twenty years, and people go, I'm sorry, guy,

35:52 Speaker 1: I gotta go. I really can't get behind this.

35:55 Speaker 4: No, you have to. You have to say that there

35:59 Speaker 4: is a mountaintop that you see and you may not

36:02 Speaker 4: get there with you, but.

36:06 Speaker 1: We're climbing that mountain. You have to do that.

36:09 Speaker 4: And so I think I don't go too far overboard.

36:12 Speaker 4: But now it's different, all right, too.

36:14 Speaker 1: Much is happening.

36:16 Speaker 4: Too many things are taking place that point towards the

36:20 Speaker 4: potential for getting this done. And so I believe there

36:24 Speaker 4: is no fundamental barrier political or national security wise that

36:29 Speaker 4: prevents President our president for coming out tomorrow for a

36:33 Speaker 4: week from now.

36:34 Speaker 1: None.

36:35 Speaker 4: Look, the platform could be bigger, right, could have a

36:38 Speaker 4: little more, but it's enough. It's more than enough, and

36:41 Speaker 4: so I think it's going to happen and one of

36:44 Speaker 4: the reasons that really kind of keyed me into that

36:47 Speaker 4: was that. And I didn't find out this untill later,

36:51 Speaker 4: because you know, everything's happening all at once everywhere. But

36:55 Speaker 4: I learned there was a podcast five days before his inauguration. Okay,

37:00 Speaker 4: always podcast only this this one was hosted by podcaster

37:05 Speaker 4: Donald Trump Junior, who has a podcast, a pretty good

37:08 Speaker 4: one too. Actually, it's quite good at it, and uh,

37:11 Speaker 4: I think a substantial following, if I'm not mistaken. I

37:13 Speaker 4: don't think anybody's shocked at that. So a whole lot

37:15 Speaker 4: of people watched him five days before his father's inauguration

37:21 Speaker 4: interview Ross Colthart.

37:22 Speaker 1: And Alexander for an hour and a half time. Yeah,

37:25 Speaker 1: talking euts and so disclosure and everything else. Now, you know,

37:29 Speaker 1: you know, call me crazy. We'd never seen that before, right.

37:33 Speaker 4: And by the way, the podcast revolution, of which you

37:35 Speaker 4: are apart, is a major issue in driving toward disclosure.

37:39 Speaker 4: It's just one more huge communication and.

37:43 Speaker 1: Ability for people to get information and interact on top

37:46 Speaker 1: of the social media and the Internet, making it the

37:50 Speaker 1: idea that we just keep this lie going, It's going

37:53 Speaker 1: to be no problem. It's absurd, But in.

37:55 Speaker 4: That case, it was the Resident Sun's podcast, and so

37:58 Speaker 4: I'm just thinking, hey, well, I can get a messag

38:02 Speaker 4: I take him.

38:03 Speaker 1: I can get a message. I get the message.

38:07 Speaker 4: You know, don Junior didn't just do that because you

38:08 Speaker 4: want to have a little fun or take a flyer,

38:12 Speaker 4: right and bringing the UFO issue into the family five

38:15 Speaker 4: days four, it's not his father takes the oath. No,

38:17 Speaker 4: I have to believe his father knew it. Very possible

38:20 Speaker 4: his father.

38:20 Speaker 1: Told him to do it. So let's say that the

38:22 Speaker 1: president told him.

38:24 Speaker 4: Why would he do that? I will speculate this. It's

38:28 Speaker 4: called reading the room, right, reading the room? And what

38:31 Speaker 4: room are we talking about?

38:33 Speaker 1: Okay, you're you're trying to make a decision. Now you're

38:36 Speaker 1: going to play the issue once you're once you're in office.

38:38 Speaker 4: Ah So if my son, who has this huge following,

38:42 Speaker 4: holds of podcast, and I think it's the case, I

38:46 Speaker 4: think they weren't closed off the comments, and it's on YouTube,

38:49 Speaker 4: a whole bunch of people going to comment, right, and

38:51 Speaker 4: I need to confirm that in case they closed it off,

38:53 Speaker 4: in which case they know I'm kind of making a

38:56 Speaker 4: mistake here, but I'm pretty sure has comments.

38:59 Speaker 1: So you know how common skill thousands of them.

39:01 Speaker 7: And so now you just go read the comments and

39:03 Speaker 7: see what the public seeing what the public.

39:05 Speaker 4: Is reacting to Don's podcast, and you're getting your reading

39:08 Speaker 4: the room.

39:09 Speaker 1: Now. Obviously he did not take any immediate action, obviously

39:14 Speaker 1: because well, first of all, he had one hundred and

39:17 Speaker 1: some presidential directives design, you know, so he hit a

39:21 Speaker 1: lot in his plate and god knows what, and all

39:23 Speaker 1: the appointments and everything else.

39:25 Speaker 4: I mean, the first one hundred days is brutal. His

39:27 Speaker 4: has been more like two hundred days approaching, and so.

39:31 Speaker 1: That doesn't take action.

39:32 Speaker 4: However, the members of Congress have continued to take action,

39:37 Speaker 4: and the leaders of that not all of them are

39:39 Speaker 4: in fact very strong supporters of the president. Absolutely, And

39:43 Speaker 4: so you take all that together, and my message to

39:47 Speaker 4: the president he wants to call me, is the brass ring,

39:55 Speaker 4: this incredible brass ring of historical implication is simply there

39:59 Speaker 4: to take right now. You don't have to run, you

40:03 Speaker 4: don't have to lift any weights, just reach out and

40:06 Speaker 4: grab it, and it is yours forever ever. And the

40:08 Speaker 4: question is, now, there are people that were going I

40:14 Speaker 4: like that. I'm not comfortable with that at all. That's

40:18 Speaker 4: not the person I want to take the ring. I

40:20 Speaker 4: want somebody else to take it. History doesn't work that

40:24 Speaker 4: way usually not, No, it doesn't. And you got to

40:27 Speaker 4: get real. So history has come to this president is

40:39 Speaker 4: a statement that you don't make history. It comes to you.

40:42 Speaker 4: And if you look back, that's the way it is.

40:44 Speaker 4: Lincoln didn't set out to make a nice civil war.

40:47 Speaker 4: So we can have an historical moment. And there's countless

40:50 Speaker 4: like that. History has come to Donald Trump, and so

40:54 Speaker 4: if he accepts it, then of course the implications are broad.

40:58 Speaker 4: The issue is nonpartisan, which brings them something else. I

41:02 Speaker 4: wanted to say. When Luna was planning these events that

41:05 Speaker 4: she was talking about, she was interviewed asked how things

41:08 Speaker 4: are going, and she said, we're gonna have a skill,

41:10 Speaker 4: we're going.

41:10 Speaker 1: To have a hearing, and we're gonna have to sreather

41:14 Speaker 1: this briefing thing and then we're going to have a hearing.

41:18 Speaker 1: But in the interview she made a statement she volunteered it.

41:21 Speaker 4: She wasn't asked. It's out there, you can find it also.

41:24 Speaker 4: I put it up on Twitter. But if you go

41:25 Speaker 4: find the interview with.

41:26 Speaker 1: Her at Pole or something, right, I think it was askaball.

41:30 Speaker 1: I think it was Matt last By the way, askapole.

41:32 Speaker 2: He's great.

41:33 Speaker 1: I subscribe, I invite people to do it.

41:36 Speaker 4: He's doing something nobody is doing on this issue, and

41:39 Speaker 4: it's great.

41:40 Speaker 1: So uh, she said.

41:43 Speaker 4: What I consider is like a seminal statement about the

41:46 Speaker 4: historical opportunity.

41:48 Speaker 1: She said, the UAP issue is the.

41:50 Speaker 4: Most bipartisan investigation in the history of the country boom period, boom,

41:56 Speaker 4: and it is if you can find another one. We

41:59 Speaker 4: can't good bipartisan kids being shot up in.

42:02 Speaker 1: School, Yeah, we can't. We can't. We can't be.

42:04 Speaker 4: Bipartisan about lead. Pick anything. I'm not aware, you know.

42:10 Speaker 4: Just and that's that's one of the problems. The nation

42:12 Speaker 4: is in gridlock because we can't work together and each

42:16 Speaker 4: side is determined to make the other side fail. I

42:20 Speaker 4: understand why they may going that way. They're hoping eventually

42:22 Speaker 4: they'll fail and go away and they'll take over. It

42:24 Speaker 4: doesn't work that way, And so nothing much has happened, right.

42:27 Speaker 4: It's irresistible force and immovable object, and the lack of

42:31 Speaker 4: things happening and solving problems and doing things is turning

42:34 Speaker 4: in the country into a mess.

42:36 Speaker 1: It's a wreck. Everybody's on drugs, meant real or I

42:39 Speaker 1: mean legal, not legal illegal. Nobody's sleeping well and including me.

42:46 Speaker 2: So we're in a world where nuclear deterrence is the

42:50 Speaker 2: acronym MAD.

42:51 Speaker 1: Yeah.

42:52 Speaker 4: And and and while we're we're not able to fix

42:54 Speaker 4: things at home and get some bipartisan results that helps people, Uh,

42:59 Speaker 4: the nuclear your situation gets worse and worse. So again,

43:03 Speaker 4: and this is why if you've got to if you've

43:05 Speaker 4: got an.

43:06 Speaker 1: Apocalyptic uh series, you know, streaming series, pitch go get it, go,

43:12 Speaker 1: do it right, would put it out right everybody?

43:15 Speaker 4: They can't avoid watching apocalyptic stuff. I don't know how

43:20 Speaker 4: many of the Walking Dead things were done. It was

43:22 Speaker 4: four different versions of two one hundred episodes.

43:25 Speaker 1: People can't get enough. Now, why is that? What is

43:28 Speaker 1: so endearing about the apocalypse is because they're seeing their

43:34 Speaker 1: feeling the apocalypse. Yeah, and so it's a training These

43:38 Speaker 1: are training shows. Watching Walking Dead, you know, how you

43:42 Speaker 1: come together as a group, not do this, don't do that,

43:44 Speaker 1: how to travel this and that and everything.

43:46 Speaker 4: Else, because obviously we're going to need it one day

43:48 Speaker 4: and this is not what we want.

43:50 Speaker 1: This is not what we're want to know.

43:52 Speaker 4: And so, uh, the the president or the head of

43:58 Speaker 4: state dead and get us out of this.

44:03 Speaker 1: That's a good thing.

44:04 Speaker 4: And some people say, well, you know, this particular president

44:08 Speaker 4: will dominate and so forth and it will just be

44:11 Speaker 4: all about him.

44:12 Speaker 1: No, that's not going to happen, right, I don't think so.

44:15 Speaker 4: And there isn't is simply this all of the major

44:18 Speaker 4: nations know there's any tea presidents, including Russia, including China,

44:24 Speaker 4: but certainly are our major allies, which is in European countries.

44:27 Speaker 1: And so forth. And they have deferred to us, And

44:31 Speaker 1: people said, well, why did they do that.

44:32 Speaker 4: They've deferred to us because after World War Two, we

44:35 Speaker 4: were the most powerful nation in the world.

44:38 Speaker 1: We had we had the first nukes. You know, the

44:41 Speaker 1: smart people in the smartest people looking over US, Soviet Union, US,

44:45 Speaker 1: and they're going, well, I see where this is going

44:46 Speaker 1: to go and so and this issue is happening, and

44:50 Speaker 1: the idea that they're going to cut in line.

44:52 Speaker 4: No, they deferred, right, this is your call. We can't

44:57 Speaker 4: build twenty thousand and thirty thousand nuclear weapon. We're you know,

45:02 Speaker 4: the Soviet Union, I mean the Russia with the Soviet Union.

45:06 Speaker 1: It's just a few miles over right on our right border, right,

45:09 Speaker 1: And they defer to US, and they've stayed that way.

45:12 Speaker 1: That doesn't mean they haven't been involved in the issue.

45:14 Speaker 1: They have.

45:15 Speaker 4: I think Soviet Union and China, China was not in

45:18 Speaker 4: a place to do much of anything, but even as

45:20 Speaker 4: it evolved in to a powerful nation that these are

45:23 Speaker 4: ideological control states, and giving them incredibly giving their people

45:27 Speaker 4: incredibly profound news is just going to make it harder

45:29 Speaker 4: to kind of keep people in line and focus on

45:32 Speaker 4: the party and oh yeah.

45:33 Speaker 3: Whatever, just super disruptive for their society.

45:37 Speaker 1: And what was that movie, Don't look up? Yeah, don't

45:39 Speaker 1: their policies don't look up, don't look out. So they didn't.

45:41 Speaker 1: They didn't do it either, and that doesn't mean it

45:43 Speaker 1: couldn't do it now.

45:44 Speaker 4: I mean the thing has got to the point that

45:46 Speaker 4: platform was built in a way, there's kind of a

45:49 Speaker 4: virtual version of that platform over in.

45:51 Speaker 1: The Kremlin and one in Beijing, right right. And if

45:55 Speaker 1: Putin steps up there and and and says there's ets here,

45:58 Speaker 1: well guess what who gets the legacy? Who get? But

46:02 Speaker 1: I think it's going to be our president and so

46:06 Speaker 1: is when he does it.

46:07 Speaker 4: Immediately, our allies such as Britain and Canada, Australia and

46:10 Speaker 4: things like that they're going to come forward right away

46:12 Speaker 4: and say absolutely, we we know about this, we have

46:15 Speaker 4: our own evidence, and I think it's appropriate that the

46:18 Speaker 4: Canadians or the Brits might go to their prime minister

46:21 Speaker 4: and go, look, why.

46:21 Speaker 1: Didn't you tell us about this sooner? I mean, come on,

46:23 Speaker 1: what's going on here? Why do you do it? You know,

46:25 Speaker 1: we're irritated by that. And the answer is a very

46:28 Speaker 1: simple answer.

46:29 Speaker 4: One the nature of the history of the time important

46:33 Speaker 4: of the United States, we didn't want to cut in line.

46:35 Speaker 4: So essentially it was a national security issue for US

46:38 Speaker 4: as well as.

46:38 Speaker 3: The United States, just by proxy in a sense.

46:42 Speaker 1: Yeah, by proxy, yeah, I mean.

46:43 Speaker 4: So they're there, you know, because they felt if they

46:46 Speaker 4: were to step in front of us that could undermine

46:48 Speaker 4: things and create a problem for us, that could leave

46:50 Speaker 4: you a problem for them whatever.

46:51 Speaker 1: The world's complex.

46:53 Speaker 3: So uh.

46:55 Speaker 1: And then then and their citizens will go, okay, that's great,

46:57 Speaker 1: now tell me about this stuff, right, what do you got?

47:01 Speaker 1: What do you got? No problem?

47:03 Speaker 4: And I think Putin and gg thing will do the

47:05 Speaker 4: same thing, so very because.

47:07 Speaker 1: They don't they're not going to be upstage here completely.

47:09 Speaker 4: They're not going to go back and go, well, you know,

47:12 Speaker 4: we'll just sit back on this while the Holy Et

47:14 Speaker 4: thing is completely manifests in the Western world. No, and

47:19 Speaker 4: so right away you've got all of the major leaders

47:21 Speaker 4: pretty much committed the fact it's true, probably talking about

47:24 Speaker 4: getting information out now a full global it's a global thing, right,

47:29 Speaker 4: and ETS didn't come here to just kind of hand.

47:34 Speaker 1: So it's a fully global thing.

47:35 Speaker 4: And so our president will be part of a bunch

47:39 Speaker 4: of global leaders who are coming together to deal with,

47:43 Speaker 4: as Anna says, the UN.

47:47 Speaker 1: Investigator, the issue that is the.

47:50 Speaker 4: Most bipartisan investigation in our history and probably any other countries.

47:56 Speaker 1: So that's what I'm saying now. I know a lot

47:59 Speaker 1: of people are going to push back and say, you know,

48:01 Speaker 1: you've been saying this forever and I'm just so tired

48:04 Speaker 1: of hearing it. I get it, I get it. I understand.

48:07 Speaker 1: I'm not offending.

48:08 Speaker 3: You're the one who had to say it all the time.

48:10 Speaker 1: Somebody, somebody had to keep somebody just keep the flame lit.

48:13 Speaker 1: I know I'm not the only one.

48:15 Speaker 3: I actually respect that. Now they say that, well, that

48:18 Speaker 3: that's what activists do.

48:19 Speaker 1: Researchers, that's not their job, and so they look upon

48:22 Speaker 1: what I'm doing is it's a little crazy. Journalists, absolutely right.

48:26 Speaker 4: Journalists are supposed to have hidhere to certain protocols and

48:30 Speaker 4: what have you, and they just can't be going out

48:31 Speaker 4: and saying, oh, disclosures coming.

48:32 Speaker 1: You can't do that. Even an op ed person shouldn't

48:35 Speaker 1: do that, right. That's why you have activists. They can

48:38 Speaker 1: do or say things that others can't, that other areas

48:42 Speaker 1: of engagement can't do. And hopefully if you're honest and

48:46 Speaker 1: authentic and you don't do violence, which is absolutely unacceptable.

48:51 Speaker 1: By the way, this movement has been absolutely non violent.

48:53 Speaker 1: I'm not aware of a single active violence, which is

48:56 Speaker 1: I think incredibly admirable.

48:57 Speaker 2: It really is when you really step back and this

49:00 Speaker 2: world where you know every there's.

49:04 Speaker 1: Violence everywhere, everywhere and on every issue of any substance.

49:09 Speaker 1: But this issue is unique.

49:11 Speaker 4: It's nothing. Nothing is like this. It transcends politics and religion.

49:14 Speaker 4: Its global.

49:16 Speaker 3: So what do you think, say?

49:21 Speaker 2: It happens right, just like you talked about, it comes

49:25 Speaker 2: to fruition and someone steps out the unit. Well, well

49:29 Speaker 2: let's say Trump in this case, Yeah, it steps out,

49:32 Speaker 2: grabs the ring, says I'm going to do it.

49:34 Speaker 1: We're going to reveal, confirm confirm. The revealing is another process.

49:42 Speaker 2: The second do you think there would have to be

49:47 Speaker 2: do you think it would have to come out in

49:49 Speaker 2: stages like now we confirm and then there's a follow

49:52 Speaker 2: up in thirty days and because the second question is

49:56 Speaker 2: going to be are there abductions?

49:57 Speaker 1: Okay? Yeah, Look here's here is my best take on it. Uh.

50:03 Speaker 4: The President has made the announcement. Okay, Now, the first

50:07 Speaker 4: thing that happens is several thousand reporters immediately head to

50:11 Speaker 4: Washington in every briefing room they can find, all right,

50:14 Speaker 4: with a million questions, including the White House. Okay, fine,

50:18 Speaker 4: And if they're if they're wise, they may they may

50:21 Speaker 4: set up some panels that they can direct them to

50:23 Speaker 4: or bring in some people so they can ask some

50:25 Speaker 4: questions of various panels.

50:27 Speaker 1: Or they may they may hold off.

50:30 Speaker 4: Well I don't know they you can't step that the

50:33 Speaker 4: reporters for coming, but they'll find a way to sort of,

50:36 Speaker 4: you know, slow it down a little bit. But they're

50:38 Speaker 4: going to ask a lot of questions right away. Some

50:40 Speaker 4: of these things are not really classified and just really

50:45 Speaker 4: impelling questions and they're going to get asked immediately, all right.

50:48 Speaker 7: Uh.

50:49 Speaker 4: And one of the absolute questions is going to be

50:52 Speaker 4: It's going to be asked day one, and they're in

50:54 Speaker 4: a very tough spot because the focus now is like

50:57 Speaker 4: a microscope on an electron microscope. And so every word

51:00 Speaker 4: that comes out of your mouth at that point, whatever

51:02 Speaker 4: whoever you are, why spokesman you are or woman, uh,

51:06 Speaker 4: it's going to be scrutinized. It's going to be down

51:08 Speaker 4: to the you know, the atoms.

51:10 Speaker 1: And so they got to kill the truth. And so

51:12 Speaker 1: when a reporter asked the.

51:13 Speaker 4: Question, since you've confirmed that we have bodies and so

51:17 Speaker 4: for basically that obviously they're here, does that mean that

51:21 Speaker 4: the reports of contact, even abduction by entities like this

51:25 Speaker 4: is true? And the answer has got to be yes,

51:28 Speaker 4: which brings up another oh whoa okay, well, and then

51:32 Speaker 4: and then then at some point, right I don't know

51:35 Speaker 4: how quickly it will happen, at some point they would say, look,

51:41 Speaker 4: we have the legislation to reveal all because I think

51:45 Speaker 4: that I think the Disclosure Act will be redond it

51:48 Speaker 4: not redone, but resubmitted.

51:50 Speaker 1: With everything pretty much.

51:51 Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe the eminent domain not but the whole Act,

51:54 Speaker 4: which described the whole process.

51:55 Speaker 3: That would be done with executive order.

51:56 Speaker 4: Right, well, well come being executive order resubmitted in the past,

52:00 Speaker 4: and that's going to happen fast, and then it's going

52:03 Speaker 4: to start doing its thing.

52:05 Speaker 1: The they're going to be.

52:06 Speaker 4: Going after information and and and documents and what have you,

52:09 Speaker 4: and and if if they're not given those documents, people

52:12 Speaker 4: are going to be having a real hard time. Their

52:15 Speaker 4: careers are going to be over. This is this is

52:16 Speaker 4: the law, and it's a hell of a law. And

52:19 Speaker 4: so it starts coming forward very quickly.

52:21 Speaker 1: They're not going to wait. There's already stuff coming forward

52:23 Speaker 1: now under the half the half bill that was passed

52:26 Speaker 1: going into the archive. Nothing earth shaking, and it'll come

52:31 Speaker 1: up to the reupanel ree pen say okay, bank goes

52:34 Speaker 1: forward public and the archives comes up not really yet

52:38 Speaker 1: to that push you back, put a day, just put

52:40 Speaker 1: it back, put it on hold. But they have to

52:42 Speaker 1: acknowledge that, and that'll just keep happening and it'll be

52:45 Speaker 1: like a river, a river of stuff.

52:47 Speaker 4: They're not going to be able to come out and

52:48 Speaker 4: say want to take a couple of months off here,

52:50 Speaker 4: and we're just not going to do anything. The public says,

52:52 Speaker 4: I don't think so. And so this will be. So

52:55 Speaker 4: that's now, that's the that's the small d disclosure process.

53:00 Speaker 4: It large happening coming out to the world, and other

53:03 Speaker 4: nations will be doing the same thing, which is another

53:06 Speaker 4: reason why it'll keep the pressure on because you may

53:10 Speaker 4: have something you'd brand and not put out right now,

53:12 Speaker 4: but then you know, Britain puts it out. You know

53:14 Speaker 4: what the hell and so's it's.

53:16 Speaker 1: Going to be a lot faster than people think.

53:19 Speaker 4: But it's orderly and I think they know this. They

53:22 Speaker 4: have a plan. The government's had seventy eight years to

53:26 Speaker 4: kind of plan this.

53:28 Speaker 1: You found it, I got it, I know what I

53:30 Speaker 1: got it, fireway, fire away.

53:33 Speaker 2: Several people have pointed towards twenty twenty seven.

53:39 Speaker 3: I'm sure you've heard the date.

53:41 Speaker 1: You said you don't like dates.

53:42 Speaker 4: However, why I don't like dates, It's just that I don't.

53:45 Speaker 4: I don't go that far. Right, even that year is

53:48 Speaker 4: a big time. But hey, I put two bets down

53:52 Speaker 4: on confirmation and disclosure happening in the UK at big

53:56 Speaker 4: odds way back. You know it's like for the next

53:59 Speaker 4: twelve months, Okay, I mean, because I you know, I mean, I.

54:02 Speaker 1: Really was feeling good, right, I put my money where.

54:05 Speaker 4: My mouth is wasn't much, but I had great odds

54:07 Speaker 4: five hundred to one, and at one point they were

54:10 Speaker 4: offering thousands of to one.

54:11 Speaker 1: This is a number of years ago.

54:13 Speaker 4: Well, both bets didn't pay off because in that year

54:16 Speaker 4: it didn't happen. Okay, but no, the idea of saying

54:19 Speaker 4: this is the year, that's like rigging that bet so

54:22 Speaker 4: that I win.

54:23 Speaker 1: That's not gonna.

54:23 Speaker 3: Happen, right, But this idea of twenty twenty seven, Do.

54:28 Speaker 2: You think that maybe there is something? Because I often think,

54:34 Speaker 2: why would anyone say a date like that?

54:36 Speaker 3: You know, why why does it keep coming up?

54:38 Speaker 2: Is it? Do you think there could be you know,

54:42 Speaker 2: a scenario where we've spotted something, you know, coming our way,

54:48 Speaker 2: and we know that we have a limited time because

54:51 Speaker 2: whatever was coming might just cause a chaos what do

54:55 Speaker 2: they call it?

54:57 Speaker 3: A chaos disclosure?

54:59 Speaker 2: Apocalyptic discre right, So I mean just a you know,

55:03 Speaker 2: instant reveal by a ship entering our atmosphere that's going

55:07 Speaker 2: to scare a lot of people. That's going to be chaos,

55:09 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, catastrophic disclosure pretty much the same same thing.

55:14 Speaker 3: So they're like, let's get in front of it.

55:17 Speaker 1: I don't think so, because they're already here right well,

55:20 Speaker 1: flying out of mountains. They're going onto the ocean in

55:23 Speaker 1: all the places now. So no, I don't think that

55:27 Speaker 1: is it.

55:28 Speaker 4: It's intriguing, though, and there's lots of fun speculative possibilities here.

55:33 Speaker 4: First of all, there's some psychic saying this right right,

55:36 Speaker 4: that's good, And you've got some form mercy. I a

55:38 Speaker 4: people kind of referring to something, which means they may

55:40 Speaker 4: have some information. And so, but it's enough that it's

55:45 Speaker 4: in play, it's on it's on axis.

55:47 Speaker 1: Happened right, it's going semi viral.

55:50 Speaker 4: So let me give a couple of possibilities that I

55:55 Speaker 4: think maybe have a little better chance of working. And

55:57 Speaker 4: one of them is the simple analysis that I've been

56:01 Speaker 4: putting out for years that if we get disclosure of

56:05 Speaker 4: the t presidence worldwide, there's going to be this massive

56:08 Speaker 4: learning curve that's going to take place where billions of

56:12 Speaker 4: people are going to have to learn a lot of

56:13 Speaker 4: stuff and want to learn, and they're going to read,

56:15 Speaker 4: they're going to want films, they're going to want all

56:17 Speaker 4: kinds of content, which is why I created, along with

56:20 Speaker 4: Dan Harrari, the Hollywood Disclosure alliance to bring together people

56:24 Speaker 4: in the ap world and the people in the film

56:27 Speaker 4: world to get together real fast and make that content,

56:30 Speaker 4: particularly using the people that have done all the work

56:33 Speaker 4: all these years.

56:34 Speaker 1: Maybe they didn't have PhDs.

56:36 Speaker 4: But they did the work, did the journalism, they did research,

56:38 Speaker 4: and they need to be included in that massive content.

56:41 Speaker 4: It's going great. We have two hundred and five members.

56:43 Speaker 4: We expect to have money more very soon. So the

56:49 Speaker 4: learning curve of the world, given all the meat, the

56:53 Speaker 4: tech we have, podcasts and internet and so forth, this

56:59 Speaker 4: stuff will go.

57:00 Speaker 1: And movies.

57:01 Speaker 4: You make a movie, We make a movie and we

57:04 Speaker 4: it plays in many countries, billions of people see it,

57:06 Speaker 4: and it makes billions of dollars, and variably it's about

57:08 Speaker 4: ets well, and so the world's getting educated at some point.

57:15 Speaker 4: It's pretty much educated, which means what it means that

57:19 Speaker 4: and I don't think I think two years is about right.

57:21 Speaker 4: So it means that if ets were to actually go open, who's.

57:26 Speaker 1: Going to get upset?

57:28 Speaker 3: Right?

57:28 Speaker 1: You know they're here, right, And so suddenly we're learning that.

57:31 Speaker 4: Well, the President United States just received a communication from

57:35 Speaker 4: a particular group talking about this that and suggesting.

57:38 Speaker 1: This or whatever.

57:40 Speaker 4: That's open contact that's not visits in the middle of

57:43 Speaker 4: the night. Does it mean they have to be on camera,

57:47 Speaker 4: they have to be physically they're No, it could be communicating,

57:49 Speaker 4: but some kind of open contact is taking place.

57:52 Speaker 1: There is a logic to it taking about two years.

57:55 Speaker 4: That may be one reason why you hear twenty twenty

57:57 Speaker 4: six back a while and you're twenty twenty seven and

58:00 Speaker 4: they're thinking like I am. There is also the possibility

58:04 Speaker 4: that there has been background communication between any et species

58:12 Speaker 4: and some of our leaders or your leader or whatever

58:16 Speaker 4: along the lines of once you confirm we're here, ah,

58:21 Speaker 4: we're going to go open and we're really close right now.

58:26 Speaker 4: So if they know that, if they if people inside,

58:29 Speaker 4: no disclosures pretty much happening, and they have that kind

58:32 Speaker 4: of understanding that's behind the scenes, then that predicts two

58:36 Speaker 4: years out, doesn't it.

58:37 Speaker 1: It's another way to do it. They could have been.

58:40 Speaker 1: This is another popular version.

58:42 Speaker 4: I love to speculate. It's okay as long as you

58:44 Speaker 4: make it clear is that they've been given an.

58:46 Speaker 3: Ultimatum, right are You've held the reins long enough?

58:51 Speaker 1: Closure die? My friend? Yeah, and that would do it well.

58:55 Speaker 2: I was thinking, so you know, Trump would be in

58:58 Speaker 2: his last year of his last well, you'd be entering

59:01 Speaker 2: his last year of presidency.

59:04 Speaker 4: And no, actually no, he's gonna be president twenty five,

59:07 Speaker 4: twenty six, seven, twenty eight.

59:09 Speaker 1: So if it happens to oh, yeah, next to last year,

59:13 Speaker 1: twenty six is next to that, yeah, meaning the middle

59:16 Speaker 1: of the presidency. So and by the way, well it

59:19 Speaker 1: would be passed, yeah yeah. But by the way, he

59:21 Speaker 1: has the power to speed it up.

59:23 Speaker 7: He does if he if he comes out in the week,

59:26 Speaker 7: we could have the open contact and two years or less. Yeah, right,

59:30 Speaker 7: he could be halfway through his second year, and we're

59:32 Speaker 7: in open contact now that now.

59:34 Speaker 1: The legacy groves, the legacy groves.

59:37 Speaker 4: Now open contact of course, will almost certainly be not

59:41 Speaker 4: confined to a single country. That will be probably engaging

59:44 Speaker 4: though ultimately they're engaging the planet. They're not gonna I

59:47 Speaker 4: don't see them coming up with two hundred different deals.

59:49 Speaker 1: With the two hundred Yeah, yeah, I think it'll be.

59:52 Speaker 4: But they're gonna be you know, probably open contact with

59:54 Speaker 4: major nations, major leaders, and uh, that clearly is a

1:00:04 Speaker 4: world changing thing, but it is not country specific, and

1:00:08 Speaker 4: so everybody can share in.

1:00:09 Speaker 1: The glory, all right, because the last thing.

1:00:12 Speaker 4: We want eighties are not stupid that they're not going

1:00:14 Speaker 4: to confine it to one country. So the whole world

1:00:16 Speaker 4: is looking at that country, going, what.

1:00:18 Speaker 1: What deals are you cutting? What have you got? What's

1:00:20 Speaker 1: going on? We're really suspicious here, right.

1:00:22 Speaker 4: You look, I think they're going to go out of

1:00:24 Speaker 4: their way if they do this to engage the planet

1:00:27 Speaker 4: as a whole with a certain essential equality amongst all countries.

1:00:33 Speaker 1: Again interesting speculation, Uh, but it is.

1:00:38 Speaker 4: You know, you got to you gotta at least well

1:00:41 Speaker 4: and I and I bring it up only because these

1:00:43 Speaker 4: these these these things are turning up about twenty six

1:00:46 Speaker 4: and twenty seven doing trigger me. And some of them

1:00:49 Speaker 4: are coming from people that I actually respect and so

1:00:52 Speaker 4: and that's why I have to think about a little

1:00:54 Speaker 4: bit again the suit of the better. I mean, it

1:00:56 Speaker 4: can't happen too soon for me.

1:00:58 Speaker 3: I mean that's all too far.

1:01:01 Speaker 1: Even that's out there, that's twenty five six, that's good,

1:01:04 Speaker 1: that's fine. Maybe even the summer, right, that would be

1:01:06 Speaker 1: not bad.

1:01:07 Speaker 3: Yeah.

1:01:08 Speaker 2: Well, you know what's funny is was it the last

1:01:10 Speaker 2: day of contact last year? Was or David Grush right, Yeah,

1:01:15 Speaker 2: they're ironically that's right. So you know where you get

1:01:18 Speaker 2: at the bombshell.

1:01:19 Speaker 1: Yeah, we were.

1:01:20 Speaker 4: We were here at the same hotel and we learned

1:01:22 Speaker 4: somebody learned that Cole Fart was about to get that interview,

1:01:25 Speaker 4: and the article it appeared in Mike I. Hanks's article,

1:01:29 Speaker 4: No it's crazy, boom Keanes article. I think didn't they

1:01:33 Speaker 4: write to you?

1:01:34 Speaker 1: Yeah for the debrief boom. I mean it was huge,

1:01:37 Speaker 1: and everybody got in the room and watched it.

1:01:39 Speaker 4: It was like a family moment, right, We're so proud

1:01:43 Speaker 4: of ourselves and everything else.

1:01:44 Speaker 1: It's good. Okay, that happened. And then and that was.

1:01:50 Speaker 4: That was twenty twenty three. Last year, things were happening

1:01:56 Speaker 4: around this time too.

1:01:57 Speaker 1: It was like, may, oh that's right, yeah, time, that's good.

1:02:01 Speaker 3: It does go by.

1:02:02 Speaker 1: And so there was some there are some significant things happening.

1:02:06 Speaker 1: Then now how about right now mm hmm. Let's see.

1:02:12 Speaker 4: Well, as we move into this conference, we've got the

1:02:16 Speaker 4: statements from Luna, We've got the indications she's going to

1:02:19 Speaker 4: do more hearings. We had a couple of major witnesses

1:02:22 Speaker 4: coming out, nothing quite at the level of the Grushrush moment,

1:02:26 Speaker 4: but there's going to be some more grush moments. And

1:02:28 Speaker 4: if one wants to happen on Monday this year, which

1:02:31 Speaker 4: I think is June.

1:02:32 Speaker 1: The second. I'm down with that. I'm down.

1:02:36 Speaker 3: So so because we do have to wrap up now.

1:02:39 Speaker 2: But I obviously you always have an open door onto

1:02:44 Speaker 2: the podcast, and you know we talk a lot, so uh,

1:02:49 Speaker 2: I always love my conversation with you.

1:02:51 Speaker 3: Where can people go, uh for to follow your work?

1:02:54 Speaker 4: Well, there are there are a number of entities that

1:02:57 Speaker 4: want need support immediately, all right.

1:03:00 Speaker 1: Uh. First and foremost the New Paradigm Institute. Uh, they

1:03:04 Speaker 1: really have.

1:03:05 Speaker 4: They've had some decent funding. They've established some very substantial

1:03:09 Speaker 4: website and programs, and they have the Citizens for Disclosure

1:03:12 Speaker 4: Project where you can go you sign up and then

1:03:16 Speaker 4: you can write anything to your just write a note

1:03:19 Speaker 4: slid up to them and it automatically goes through the

1:03:23 Speaker 4: system to the to your congress and senator, congress person's

1:03:27 Speaker 4: and senator and so you know, support that. I mean,

1:03:31 Speaker 4: we can't have too many of those those messages going

1:03:33 Speaker 4: in particularly right now. And they have other programs. It's

1:03:36 Speaker 4: really going to be a front front, front, front, leading

1:03:40 Speaker 4: entity in the post disclosure world. And it was basically

1:03:43 Speaker 4: set up for the post disclosure world getting to disclosures

1:03:46 Speaker 4: is an advanced project, right, yes, it's like a you.

1:03:49 Speaker 1: Know, an appetizer. And then the Sole Foundation is a

1:03:53 Speaker 1: scientific think tank that's just based in Stanford. UH and

1:03:59 Speaker 1: Gary Nolan Nobel Prize nominee is leading that UH that

1:04:03 Speaker 1: needs support from the big eyes write some serious money

1:04:06 Speaker 1: because they want to try to develop and deal with

1:04:09 Speaker 1: the science and the engineering of this thing in a

1:04:11 Speaker 1: post disclosure world. The UAP Disclosure.

1:04:13 Speaker 4: Fund, which sponsors to to events on the Hill already

1:04:18 Speaker 4: on the hill, right about UAP again, that wasn't happening

1:04:21 Speaker 4: twenty years ago.

1:04:22 Speaker 1: Okay.

1:04:23 Speaker 4: They they are five O and C four political entity

1:04:26 Speaker 4: that is it going to be taking it gets massive

1:04:29 Speaker 4: amounts of money.

1:04:29 Speaker 1: They're going to use that money to affect the political policies.

1:04:33 Speaker 1: That's what five O, W and S force two. Okay,

1:04:35 Speaker 1: so we now have a five O and C four

1:04:36 Speaker 1: big one.

1:04:38 Speaker 4: There's other groups forming absolutely faster than I can even

1:04:42 Speaker 4: get into them. These are and of course mouf on

1:04:46 Speaker 4: is getting more aggressive and more robust, engaging the hill

1:04:51 Speaker 4: quite a bit. H.

1:04:52 Speaker 1: You got a major media.

1:04:54 Speaker 4: Component of movef on and was created by Ron James

1:04:58 Speaker 4: that they need support to sign up from mo join it.

1:05:00 Speaker 4: It's going to get more less investigatory and more post disclosure.

1:05:08 Speaker 4: But it's been around since nineteen sixty nine. It deserves

1:05:10 Speaker 4: a major place in the post disclosure world. My group,

1:05:13 Speaker 4: my organization is small. It's been mostly me, though I

1:05:16 Speaker 4: have a huge network, paradigm Research group, like an activist entity,

1:05:21 Speaker 4: limited but focused, but knowing the post disposure world is coming.

1:05:26 Speaker 4: I just converted to a five O and C three.

1:05:28 Speaker 1: By getting some donations through the portal on the website.

1:05:33 Speaker 4: Do I need millions, No, I do not. Even hundreds

1:05:36 Speaker 4: of thousands would be probably good. I couldn't quite use

1:05:39 Speaker 4: right now. But I do have a couple of quick projects.

1:05:42 Speaker 4: The most important is the X conference. I held six

1:05:45 Speaker 4: of those back in the early aughts four, five, seven, eight, nine, ten,

1:05:50 Speaker 4: all of them in this area, one in the Press Club.

1:05:52 Speaker 4: Bent extremely well. It's time for another one X conference

1:05:56 Speaker 4: twenty twenty five. I already have a venue which would

1:05:59 Speaker 4: be the Press Club, and a hotel this nearby. It's

1:06:02 Speaker 4: all pretty much there. When I commit it's it would

1:06:07 Speaker 4: be an excellent setup. In order to do it, I

1:06:10 Speaker 4: have to I have to lock down the Press Club venue,

1:06:13 Speaker 4: and you just don't Yeah, give me that date. No,

1:06:17 Speaker 4: in order to lock it up, I've got to actually

1:06:19 Speaker 4: pay all of the rental for the substantial amount of space,

1:06:24 Speaker 4: and it's in the twenty thousand range. So as soon

1:06:27 Speaker 4: as I can get that threshold and donated to PRG,

1:06:32 Speaker 4: I locked down the venue, lock down the hotel, put

1:06:37 Speaker 4: the site up, start selling tickets, and then.

1:06:40 Speaker 3: Start bringing people in.

1:06:42 Speaker 1: Yeah, I love to come.

1:06:43 Speaker 3: I'd love to come.

1:06:44 Speaker 4: Oh, of course you're gonna come. Yeah, And I'll love

1:06:46 Speaker 4: the media and the target for this, so it's time.

1:06:49 Speaker 1: The target for this is in July early February. Okay,

1:06:54 Speaker 1: Now that raises a pretty interesting situation in that uh

1:07:01 Speaker 1: end of the year. So I mean we're still here, right, Yeah,

1:07:04 Speaker 1: nobody's nuked anybody.

1:07:07 Speaker 4: In December, a major event is being put together called

1:07:11 Speaker 4: the State of the World form based exactly like the

1:07:15 Speaker 4: State of the World forums from the nineties. Big events,

1:07:17 Speaker 4: significant and it's going to address the state of.

1:07:22 Speaker 1: The world with heavy duty people.

1:07:24 Speaker 4: The original ones back in the nineties had heads of state,

1:07:27 Speaker 4: they had major players. We'll shoot for that now this time,

1:07:30 Speaker 4: and that's already that's already planned.

1:07:32 Speaker 1: It's going to be in the Washington.

1:07:34 Speaker 4: In that uh that December time frame, and then in

1:07:38 Speaker 4: October just before that plated, I mean it was scheduled,

1:07:42 Speaker 4: they had to reschedule and anything could change it. But

1:07:45 Speaker 4: technically it's in play. The invites have been out a

1:07:48 Speaker 4: major UAP conference in Dubai.

1:07:52 Speaker 5: Oh wow, Yeah, that's wild Dubai Dubai.

1:07:59 Speaker 3: Full International.

1:08:00 Speaker 4: At this point unless I do something really silly. I'm

1:08:03 Speaker 4: on the invite list and a lot of other people,

1:08:05 Speaker 4: but I can't speak for them. So this would generate

1:08:09 Speaker 4: huge news. Obviously, it's going to be absolute the highest

1:08:12 Speaker 4: quality venue and so forth.

1:08:15 Speaker 1: And they go all out, They go all out, and

1:08:18 Speaker 1: that that will be that will elevate the issue.

1:08:20 Speaker 4: And then you have to stay the world form, which

1:08:22 Speaker 4: is going to devote a third of its how would

1:08:25 Speaker 4: you say, agenda to the AP, which didn't happen in

1:08:29 Speaker 4: the previous nine Yeah, and then the ex conference would

1:08:33 Speaker 4: follow that in late January. It's a one two three,

1:08:37 Speaker 4: and so I need the people's help it give me

1:08:39 Speaker 4: about twenty twenty five thousand.

1:08:41 Speaker 1: I can do it. I'll launch it. It'll be happening,

1:08:43 Speaker 1: and that will also.

1:08:47 Speaker 4: Help ERG get more a little more leverage, a little

1:08:49 Speaker 4: more cachet in terms of getting access to the hill.

1:08:52 Speaker 4: So I'm poised to do my thing. Danny Shean's doing

1:08:55 Speaker 4: his thing. Gary Nolan's doing his thing. Everyone's doing it and.

1:09:03 Speaker 1: Everything else. Oh oh, and the Hollywood Disclosure Alliance is

1:09:06 Speaker 1: doing its thing.

1:09:06 Speaker 4: Yes, And we are Hollywood Disclosure Alliance as a nonprofit

1:09:10 Speaker 4: five O one C three. We do not make any

1:09:12 Speaker 4: money from any deals that are made to make content, films, documentaries, whatever.

1:09:18 Speaker 1: Do you just make the deals. That's with you.

1:09:20 Speaker 4: We're just helping you to get together to do it

1:09:22 Speaker 4: and identify who really wants to engage this issue, so

1:09:26 Speaker 4: you know. But we could do a lot more in

1:09:28 Speaker 4: terms of wards and dinners and presentations and so forth,

1:09:32 Speaker 4: but we're going to need donated funds for that.

1:09:34 Speaker 1: If we just had twenty twenty five thousand, we can

1:09:36 Speaker 1: do some very cool things in Hollywood. We've already had

1:09:39 Speaker 1: some meetings that have gone pretty well.

1:09:40 Speaker 3: I think the door's open, I hope.

1:09:42 Speaker 1: So thank you, yes, sir, thank you for doing this.

1:09:45 Speaker 3: I really appreciate it.

1:09:47 Speaker 5: All right, Well, that's gonna do it for our shows

1:09:50 Speaker 5: at Contact in the Desert. I can't believe it's actually

1:09:54 Speaker 5: been almost three months since Contact. I think, Yeah, a

1:10:00 Speaker 5: little bit more than that, and we're just finally now

1:10:03 Speaker 5: wrapping up our set of interviews that we did conduct.

1:10:06 Speaker 5: I want to say a special thank you to everyone

1:10:10 Speaker 5: involved in creating Contact in the Desert, but especially people

1:10:15 Speaker 5: like Brianna Jamie and Captain Ron himself. You guys let

1:10:22 Speaker 5: us conduct these interviews in the media room. You gave

1:10:25 Speaker 5: us unfettered access where we needed it, and it was

1:10:28 Speaker 5: such an amazing event. I learned so much, not about

1:10:33 Speaker 5: just the UFO field, but about myself about mistakes that

1:10:38 Speaker 5: can be made. That was Stephen Bassett with Paradigm Research

1:10:44 Speaker 5: Group from today's interview. But we conducted so many great

1:10:49 Speaker 5: interviews from this conference, so I really implore you to

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1:11:19 Speaker 5: You are what make doing this worth it, facilitating these

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1:11:44 Speaker 5: more in person interviews. I felt that, you know, this

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1:11:53 Speaker 5: knowing that I had the studio to come back to.

1:11:56 Speaker 5: Uh So this really was was the setting the state

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